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Update from Michael Bay's camp, regarding the Optimus Prime pic!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The fan response to the Optimus Prime photo posted a couple days ago was massive. Considering the photo was live for only a few hours, the amount of talkback, emails and all around buzz around the internet just goes to show how big of a fan following this film has.

Michael Bay has an official site (CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE SITE) and forum there where he can talk directly to fans. The forums went a little nuts when the pic hit. I was told there was going to be some sort of official statement by Bay on this site by readers of the forums and while that hasn't happened yet, his moderator "Nelson" posted a little update that confirms the picture as real, but kind of skirts around most of the other issues. Here's the post:

Spoke to Bay this morning... I said, he will post later on later regarding the designs (when I say later it could mean tonight or in a couple of days).

Among some of the stuff:

-They (Bay & Co.) are commited to maintaining total secrecy about this project until it hits the screen. We spoke of how there was no surprise factor to Peter Jackson's King Kong. You knew the whole movie ahead of time. There are some in the team who believe the audience's first peak of the robots in their normal mode should be when they sit down to watch the movie in the theater (in other words, no sneak peak of them in their normal mode in the trailers).

-Bay & crew are well aware of sites putting out BS info in orded to elicit a response from Bay & Co.

-The reasons why they went with a huge long nose truck for OP (BTW, regarding the flames, there is a context for them like Orci pointed out). Bay said they did test with flat noses (FN) for scale purposes, and the FN would only be about 20 to 25 feet tall, so they went with the biggest truck they could find: the Peterbilt. We're talking 40 to 50 foot tall robots here. The physics for these robots have to be real...aka no magically disappearing parts. Also, OP is going to have much more red than what was shown in the supposedly "leaked" photo.

-Regarding the designers... all I can say is he said they all had to be fans of the show in order to get their jobs.

-Regarding the Ludacris, he does not have a part in TF.

"Supposedly leaked" yet still confirms the long nose and flames... and they certainly had a fit when they saw it was on this site... Strangely enough, I agree with the physics explanation, which is why I didn't freak out too bad at the long nose. I want there to be a certain degree of reality with these guys.

I also agree, to a certain degree, about KING KONG. I would have loved for them to have only hinted at KONG in the advertising and waited for the movie for us to have gotten our first, clean look at him. However, Peter Jackson had no need to prove himself to the fanbase when he made KONG. Overall, people trusted his vision of the movie icon. Bay doesn't have that luxury with the fans of TRANSFORMERS.

I really want to see Bay make his real deal statement. He can choose not to reveal one thing to the fans before the movie rolls next summer. That's his choice. The benefit of audience surprise is certainly something to consider, but he also needs to consider the negative impact of not doing anything to ease the rabid fan base's worries. The seeds of TRANSFORMERS success has to be planted now. If he's going to change up a character design, he has to show us why he's doing it. Make us understand his thought process, even if we don't agree with it. He can't just sit back and let this blow over.

The most vocal talkbackers, forum members, website owners, etc, desperately want to be supporters of a live action TRANSFORMERS movie. Unfortunately, what they are seeing doesn't work for them and if that's all they see, you'll feel the bite next summer. Non geeks will go see this because it's a huge event movie, but the geeks will be the ones that give it legs, that will come back over and over again, bringing their friends, family, etc. They're also the ones that can taint this movie with negative buzz a year out, like what's going on here.

Bay has been very kind to me in giving me access to this film. He seemed to genuinely want to speak to the fans and assure them that he has their interests at heart and will do them proud. I hope he still has that point of view now that the fans have disagreed with one of his decisions. I want him to make a badass, huge popcorny fun big budget TRANSFORMERS movie. He's certainly on the right road from what I have personally seen. I'd hate to see him stumble by messing up the details or at least messing up the way he deals with the fans.

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on Bay's message board and my ear to the tracks with my sources within Dreamworks and Paramount. Hopefully Bay himself will speak out soon and hopefully he'll have something good to say.


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  • July 13, 2006, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

  • July 13, 2006, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by robotdevil

  • July 13, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST


    by wolack22

    SCREW BAY!!! SCREW THE FLAMES!! they're just trying to backpeddle now.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    prestige trailer up at apple

    by calcifer

  • July 13, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST

    More secrets to be revealed soon folks

    by Orionsangels

    You can't stop the Internet!

  • July 13, 2006, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Wish I had seen the pic before it got taken down

    by quadrupletree


  • July 13, 2006, 11:27 p.m. CST

    The geeks and fans do give these types of movies legs

    by wolack22

    X-men, Superman, Batman, lord of the rings, harry potter, ... etc IT WAS THE FANS OF THE ORIGINAL SOURCE that gave those movies legs... Bay will suffer greatly if he doesn't appease the fans atleast with Optimus Prime's design. I dont care so much about the other transformers but when you screw with Optimus, Megatron, Starscream, and bumblebee you screw with the hearts and minds of all the geeks and fans out there... and they will make you pay for it like they did with many other films out there by giving it bad buzz. I dont care if transformers is a great flick, but if i go into the film seeing flames on optimus prime... ill come out of it with a whole list of nitpicks, and things I didn't like about the film and tell them to 50 other people... now some of those people might still go see it, but most of the time when someone says something is a terrible TERRIBLE flick they wont see it in theatre. NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES NO FLAMES

  • July 13, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST

    All I Care About Is Two Words: Peter Cullen

    by Hell's Cigarette

    OP could dance around in a fruity tutu for all I care as long as he is voiced by Peter Cullen.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime is not a redneck hillbilly

    by wolack22

    Dont give him flames

  • July 13, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST

    I have the pic on my computer...

    by Eberts Ghost

    quadrupletree and anyone else. Just email me at: and I will email anyone that wants the pic of Optimus. I found it from my windows cached folder.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST


    by Optimus Mime

    did anybody else see that previz with spielberg?

  • July 13, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    sigh, whatever

    by Silver Shamrock

    We shouldn't be in a position to beg/plead/cajole/suplicate Micheal Bay to show us shit. Fuck him, it's his job to sell this to us.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime voice

    by movieman742

    Are they still courting George Clooney for the voice of Prime? I would love to see that happen if it pans out.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST

    I'm going to see it.

    by Dragulf

    Many times over! Regardless.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks calcifer...

    by veritasses

    The Prestige trailer looks great. On a related note, will Apple please restore the original Quicktime "Large" size?

  • July 13, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Up to my eyes in bullshit or shall I say bayshit

    by SaveRobotech

    First off Kong was a remake so how much of a surprise would there have really been, unless Kong had fucking red flames painted on him. Bay & Co. that was just one hell of a lame excuse for fucking up prime. We will just see if there are no disappearing parts but by then this shit pile of a movie will be in the can, for us to flush away.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST

    So, we can't see a transformer until the movie..

    by Fuzzyjefe

    Here's a newsflash: we ALL have already seen what the Transformers look like. Unfortunately, many have ALSO seen Pearl Harbor, Con Air, Bad Boys 2, and The Island. Why, exactly, should anyone HOPE for something good?

  • July 13, 2006, 11:53 p.m. CST

    The Prestige trailer...chills, baby, chills!

    by Hell's Cigarette

  • July 13, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Who Do You Like Better

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    Hitler or Bay? Even before those Optimus pics it was a hard decision.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:56 p.m. CST

    they tried this secrecy stuff with Godzilla

    by slder78

    and that tanked, Why? Cause the story sucked. As long as the story is good (and Prime is RED) TF will kick ass and all will be happy.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by seekshelter

    even with movies without geek followings... i have gotten people to go see a movie on my recommendation... there has also been plenty of geek movies made that the geeks didnt carry?? where were you guys at that day?? looking in the talk back for that pic... while a lenghty talkback... it was mostly made up by the same 10 or 15 heavy aicn talkbackers... .. also, quint said that he wanted a fun popcorny transformer movie but complained that the details (the coloring of the TFs.. and the funniest of all complaints.. the eyes and facemask) were getting messed with... ?? those 2 statements dont seem to jive... ok im sure ill get yelled at for being misinformed now...

  • July 14, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Don't see what all the hubbub is all about...

    by turk128

    That was a perfectly valid reason to go with the long-nosed much bigger truck design. Seriously, this is coming out to be like the Spiderman organic shooter haterade.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    The size issue makes sense.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I sort of mentioned something along those lines in the other TalkBack. With the Peterbilt design, he's got more mass. And if Megatron is a friggin' tank, Prime is gonna need a few extra feet and pounds that you just won't find in a flat nose.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST


    by Cadillac Jones

    ...all of us have seen what the Transformers look like, and unfortunately, all of have seen Pearl Harbor, Armageddon, Bad Boys 2 and The Island. Con Air was Simon West's fault, unless I missed another Tomb Raider post in there somewhere...

  • July 14, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST


    by seekshelter

    i have no problem with the truck change. i assumed it was because the peterbilt was a much more powerful vehicle... even in the series.. if you put prime next to ultra magnus... it looked like UM could easily wipe the floor with prime..

  • July 14, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Bay doesn't owe anyone anything

    by Amadeus Zero

    Not a freakin' thing. You don't like how he's doing things, stay home and watch cartoon TF eps on DVD. Me, I'll be in the theater.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST

    All flaming aside....

    by Doc_Strange

    I totally agree that I want this movie to be badass. I want to ooh and ahh when I see a car transform into a big robot. I want to be happier when I leave the theater than when I first entered it. I was hoping somehow that with all the geek movies being made that someone finally got it and for a few movies, some like Christopher Nolan, Sam Raimi, and Brian Singer to an extent got it. With this movie, however, there is nothing to look forward to. Changes are being made for no reason other than it seems to alienate the fans, the very people who made Transformers what it is. I just don't understand why someone would take something that was already working and make something totally unrecognizable. If movie history is any indication, this film will bomb...... HARD. Do I want to see it bomb? Hell no. I want this film to succeed. I want to see sequels. But in order for me to want to see it at all, first I want to see something that made it magical as it was when I was a kid. So far there is nothing there that makes me or any of my friends want to see Transformers.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST

    That's all great and dandy....

    by The Ender

    ...but the movie still has Tyrese in it...and will blow major ass.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Was Prime really that Big?

    by cerebulon

    Were the Transformers 40 Feet tall? I can't really remember. I thought 20-25 feet tops.....hmmmmm

  • July 14, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Yes we all want this movie to be cool...

    by Nabster

    But I can't help but wonder how idiotic this movie is going to turn out. I can't help but wonder how a feasible storyline that isn't silly be developed. I can't help but wonder if maybe this is another franchise that was better off untouched by goons such as Bay and Co.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Bay is to Transformers what Schumacher is to Batman

    by toulouse

    It's not about physics or scale its about money. He (Bay) redesigns everything so he doesn't have to pay any sort of licensing or royalties for the original designs. Now the royalties go to him and his stupid ass redesigns. One of the main concepts of the show was that the Autobots were outgunned and about half the size of the Decepticons but still fought on anyway. We can only hope that Transformers gets a new animated show in a few years from now (not a redub) and the franchise is restored. Much like like Bruce Timm and Paul Dini did for Batman. Michael Bay doesn't get it, he bought a brand name and now he wants to own it completely. His hubris will bite him in the ass. Perhaps we should make a biography about Michael Bay and cast RuPaul as Michael Bay. Just to shake things up and make sure no one has any preconceived notions about who he is.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Jesus fawking Christ...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    You know, if I were Bay, I'd think twice about reading these messageboards before making a statement. He's liable to suddenly die of a hate-induced stroke thinking people mistook him for Uwe Boll.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    what are you talking about??

    by seekshelter

    if the TF are redesigned they can sell more toys... since the first series there has always been a transformer series available. we just had a short gap in release here

  • July 14, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Lose the LONG NOSE!!!!

    by Talkback1138

    So you tested flat noses? They weren't tall enough??? I find that hard to believe. It's a MOVIE, you could use some of those SPECIAL EFFECTS to "cheat" some height into a flatnose. After all in vehicle mode we don't know what's folded on top of what. I mean that's what the original animators did in the cartoon anyway. You could easily unfold the necessary height from a flat nose. I sense another Pierre Bernard's Recliner of Rage segment in the making.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST

    jack colby.....

    by wcoop893

    prime is as iconic as superman you say? ok well with superman returns, they changed absolutly nothing. it was hardly even a new movie. it was so worried about being just the same as the other superman movies, that it gives the fans nothing new, and it doesnt do well to attract new fans to the franchise. why would we want the same exact transfomers? change is necessary, and change is acceptible. deal with it.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST


    by toulouse

    BeastMachines was the last TF cartoon made in the English language first. (Canadian comapany-Mainframe did it and the did Beast Wars prior to that) The toons since Beast Machines were originally Japanese and have been dubbed in English. Toyline- Hasbro is rereleasing some of the G1 figs for the holiday sales season. Since when was repackaging old lines not profitable? Ask Uncle George and his 47 Luke Skywalkers. There is still plenty of money to be made from the originals.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST

    i like how he refers to the pic as supposedly 'leaked'

    by capitol f

    but confirms the flames and long nose, whadda douche. and thanks to eberts ghost for the emailed pic.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Recliner of Rage

    by Talkback1138

    Actually, I just started a thread over on the Conan message boards regarding this topic hoping it might get to Pierre somehow. If you know what I'm talking about, go follow it up, it would be funny as hell if this did turn out being a Recliner of Rage segment... Ahhh the power of the internet.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:14 a.m. CST

    oh, and LAST!

    by capitol f


  • July 14, 2006, 1:16 a.m. CST

    This is what happens when you make MEGATRON A TANK!

    by LordEnigma

    There is no way in hell, Optimus Prime, has ever stood anywhere close to 40 to 50 feet tall. At most, MOST, he would be around 30 feet high. The only reason to making Optimus that big; HE NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG TO FIGHT THE DECEPTICONS! Who, somehow, were fortunate enough to become FREAKIN MILITARY VEHICLES AND AIRCRAfT! If Optimus is too small, then he cannot take the fight to them. This also explains why Bumblebee became a Camaro outside of the VW WOULDNT PAY line of thinking. If Optimus is 50 ft tall. Bumblebee has to be half of that at least. A Bug turning into a robot in real-life would be no wear close to 20 to 25 feet tall. A new Camaro might be able to pull it off. Nevertheless, the LONG NOSE SUCKS, some of the BIGGEST TRUCKS ON EARTH are CAB OVER ENGINE designs, and Rob Coleman does not need to spend the next year of his life co-ordinating people to FX-out that paint job. Repaint him RED and BLUE, and all will be well until Comic-Con. Where your NO ROBOT BOLLOCKS STANCE, will catch you all sorts of hell.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST

    repackaging is fine for collectors..

    by seekshelter

    but there is a whole different market for brand new designs. .... on a similar thought... jimi hendrix once said about playing live.... something about why would he play the song the same as what people heard on the album. they could just listen to that at home. he wanted to give them something knew. Ok before anyone goes off about me comparing Bay with jimi hendrix... im not... if you actually read what i wrote that thought wouldnt even have occured to you. give people something new. sure they could keep the same designs, but ehhh.. theyre old designs... sure the lamborghini TF were cool in the 80's, but there are so many better cars now ... and im pretty sure ive seen more trucks on the road with flames on the side than i have bright red ones... arent they supposed to be in disguise?? if people are going to cry about having their childhoods raped then an addiction to watching movies might not be healthy. do you cry when the store is out of doritos so you gotta buy the off brand?? haha.. im just an ass tonight...

  • July 14, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    That Optimus Prime Pics Hosted On Wikipedia...

    by flamingrunt

  • July 14, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Speak for yourself

    by Phategod1

    Lamborghini contauch's are the greatest cars ever made, along with lancia's :wheeljack Porcha's:Jazz and VW bugs.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:39 a.m. CST


    by capitol f

    ..i do cry when i have to buy off brand doritos :)

  • July 14, 2006, 2 a.m. CST

    There's so many things...

    by DarthStallion

    Bay could do to stay true to the series, yet make designs that he can "own". A series of construction vehicles merging into Devastator. Scorponok being a triple-changer...robot, scorpion, and flying city-fortress. A couple of robots that are animals in transformer mode, like Laserbeak and RatBat. And I still say they need evil semi-truck that thinks he's a badass but Prime can still kick him around in a one-on-one between semis.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST

    thanks calcifer

    by isildur29

    that was better than this transformers speculation...guys i am no transformers fan but this seems to me like a project no one can undertake and make a majority happy...i think 75% of transformers fans are going to hate this movie because its almost an impossible concept to make worthwhile and it directed by michael bay and lists tyrese as a star i believe WHERE IS THE SPIDEY, PIRATES 3, and HARRY 5 info??????!!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST

    This is absolutely hilarious...

    by Durden555

    Quote from Quint: "If he's going to change up a character design, he has to show us why he's doing it. Make us understand his thought process, even if we don't agree with it. He can't just sit back and let this blow over." Uh, yes he can sit back and let this blow over. He has a budget in the hundreds of millions of dollars, thousands of professionals under his supervision on set, a boss named Steven Spielberg, and a release date less than a year ago. He doesn't need to be bothered with making you understand his creative decision. More from Quint: "The most vocal talkbackers, forum members, website owners, etc, desperately want to be supporters of a live action TRANSFORMERS movie. Unfortunately, what they are seeing doesn't work for them and if that's all they see, you'll feel the bite next summer. Non geeks will go see this because it's a huge event movie, but the geeks will be the ones that give it legs, that will come back over and over again, bringing their friends, family, etc. They're also the ones that can taint this movie with negative buzz a year out, like what's going on here." Like Superman Returns? Are the AICN talkbackers and geeks and webmasters giving that one legs? No. What you did do was force Bryan Singer and crew to so narrowly focus their vision that the general movie-going audience was bored to death. Great. A $200 million film made for 143 web geeks. What you have done is finally showed Hollywood that the true focus should be entertaining the audience, not the two geeks in the front row. Unfortunately, we all have to pay the price -- a terrible Superman film and potentially no sequel.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST

    what about the little tapes?

    by tannermac

    "The physics for these robots have to be real...aka no magically disappearing parts." Does this mean Soundwave isn't going to be an ipod? or cassette player? whatever...maybe he'll just be a really tiny robot. Yeah.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Fanboys arent to blame for Superman Returns

    by Weapon M

    S R is one of the many good movies that didnt do that good in the theatres as originally envisioned. It was a focused story. It wasn't for every person. It was a romance/mythology. Me being a Superman fan thought, even though Luthor is vital-- that Supes NEEDS to fight some big ass monster. I already could tell that alot of the movie was going to be pretty much Superman doing what we seen him do alot of times in the other movies. Where's the super Villain? Luthor is a evil man, not super-villain. btw. There's not much suspense and curiousity in that match up either. Transformers is bringing out aloottt of curiousity even in me and I never really watched the cartoons. I was always a GIJOE guy.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Total Secrecy...

    by Rybock

    Not even in the trailers? Keep it a total surprise? One word comes to mind: Godzilla. Worked well there, didn't it? BTW, what's with using the Godzilla CGI model in commercials now? Have they decided enough time has passed we've forgotten that mess of a summer movie?

  • July 14, 2006, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Optimus Crime

    by Crash Crator

  • July 14, 2006, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by IncompetentNinja

    They should have done Beast Wars, that was way better.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Just seen the Prime pic....

    by Sly Fox

    Oh dear, ok I can't see it making a huge difference to the performance of the movie at the box office but is there really a point to changing Prime's paint job? -- I think showing fans of the show that it's faithful (or at at least chages are made for good reasons) will decide on whether it makes a lot of money on its opening weekend or not... ultimatly it'll be the general public that make or break it money wise, but how many of them will buy the DVD in it's various editions? not may of them compared to the amount of fans who'll buy it if they liked the movie i'd wager.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:03 a.m. CST

    How the hell can you NOT show Transformers?

    by Gorrister

    Ok, I can see how you can make a teaser trailer with no real Transformers in it (we all saw Bay do it), but how the hell is he going to make a real trailer to sell this movie and NOT show a few Transformers in it? It's impossible to withhold all of the robot modes until the audience is in the theaters! You can't sell this film without showing the audience a taste of what they are in for! Otherwise, Bay is going to have non-geeks thinking that this film is either a movie version of Knight Rider or a rip-off of Maximum Overdrive.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST

    THey are full of BS! Read how to see transformer early:

    by silentbobafett2

    I like Bay films. I think The Rock is one of the single best action films of all time! I fucking love it. It is big, loud, brash, a good complicated baddy (is he good or bad?) and a bunch of good actor kicking ass. I think its bull shit that people don't like it: They are trying to kid us that they are totally dedicated filmakers etc. HERE IS A FACT: They are all sell outs. The toys for this film will revleaed BEFORE the movie. So to see a transformer (or its original look), they may not show you in a trailer or official pics but if there fucking toy chain wants to stick the toys out or pics of the toys: THEY WILL. SO when the filmmakers say: "We want to keep that a surprise" Their sell out merchandise including BUrger King etc will reveal all! 10/10 to the gu who said: Keeping secrets? ITS ONLY A TRANSFORMERS MOVIE! I'm not a rabid fan, but OP from child hood is HUGE. And I always dreamt of seeing him on the big dcreen. Not now. I want to see live action trasnformers. BUt that redneck truck will just ruin it for me. Heres a nother point: They said they had to change the truck for it to work, right? Is this film not based ona hugely popular series that has run on for decades? Do they have a fucking little idea that maybe the original OP works just fine? IF IT AIN'T BROKE: DON'T CHANGE IT!!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 3:11 a.m. CST

    He going for ...

    by Phategod1

    The Matrix effect of THe Question what is the Matrix. Problem everyone knows what the Fuck is a transformer is so the only thing left, is what do the robot forms are and see how bad he fucked it up.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:15 a.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    OK, so this is a little off I was taking a leak, and I was picking my nose, and a little tiny booger fell out as I was poicking, and it fell in my pubic hair. and it wasn't hard to get out, I jsut flicked it. but then I thought, "how has this never happened before?!" I mean, how many hundreds of thousands of times have I taken a leak, and what percentage of those times have I been picking my nose at the same time? and not ONCE has this happened before today? what an odd mathematical anomoly...anyway, just thought I'd share

  • July 14, 2006, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Maybe The Probe

    by Phategod1

    Scanned a Micheal Bay Shitliner2000

  • July 14, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST

    I... I... don't care anymore.

    by nonsensical

    I've been a fan of the Transformers for 22 years. TWENTY-TWO. When I was 24 I was hired to unify Transformers Continuity for Hasbro after their purchase of Takara. I have watched every episode of Transformers EVER produced. Japanese and American, even Zone. I have read all of the Marvel Transformers Comics. I own the three seasons, and movie. Rebirth is a little short to be called a season don't you think? I have seen and own all the episodes of Beast Wars and for some reason the Fox botched fiasco that is Beast Machines. I have even watched all the current episodes of the Transformers just to see what was kept of the work I did. I can tell you hardly any of it remains. Eight months of work later I was "let go" as Hasbro decided that the Transformers line no longer needed to be unified. There didn't need to be a continuity that tied everything together. What they wanted was a new gimmick to sell the toys. Enter the Minicons. Now, Takara has a line called Robot Masters, which is for me something I enjoy as it is very close to what I had intended for Hasbro and the Armada relaunch of Transformers. I like this line of toys. Still, I'm just trying to illustrate that I am a fan of the Transformers. I am also a fan of Superman, but I didn't care for Superman and I'll tell you why. For me it strayed to far from the source material in the places that it counts. First, Krypton's destruction was reduced to a visual effect for the sake of visual effects, and it wasn't even depicted correctly. Second, Kryptonite Shiv! It breaks off in Superman's back. A splinter the size Batman uses to knock the shit out of Superman with in comics was left INSIDE the man from Krypton and he DIDN'T DIE! Not only that but he somehow managed to get all his powers and then some to lift a continent of Kryptonite and rock up and into space. Now, don't get me wrong, Singer did good in choosing Routhe, but he should have started this over and given us an original movie, not a remake/sequel. He also should have let the actors play the parts they way they would have instead of acting like other actors play the parts they had in the previous films. It was also pretty boring, and poorly paced. Now, before I go off any further on Superman Returns, which had its few good points but failed me as a fan of the Man of Steel, Seriously some of you think WWJD, I think WWSD? Even so, the Christ allegory and imagery made me want to throw popcorn at the screen and leave. I'm just trying to point out that it was the deviations from the source material that ruined this film for me. After seeing the Prime image I think I've decided to just not see this film. I will also urge anyone who is a fan of the Transformers to also not see this film. I'm already sure that I don't trust Bay to treat this with even a tenth of the respect Singer had for Superman and not even one hundredth of the respect Raimi has for Spiderman. Optimus Prime is an icon. He is for many of us the surrogate father figure. He is the leader who will defend the innocent no matter the personal cost to himself. He is that by which many of the young men raised in the 80's learned to be leaders. He is essentially the Superman of Cybertron. Fans of the Transformers deserve to have Prime look the way he should, the way he is sculpted in the Masterpiece Prime. I recently saw, and I should photograph it when I see it again, but I recently saw a Huge Flat Nose Truck. It was about ten feet tall and that's just the cab. I stared at this truck for over an hour. Estimating in my head how tall Prime would be if he were this truck. I estimated the legs at about ten feet. They could easily have extended to between 13 and 15 feet. The body as I described was about ten feet and guessing that the front of this truck was his chest and abs the waist I estimated was about 3 to 5 feet. His head has to be about a foot and a half or so. This flat nose Mack Truck could have turned into a Prime that would be about 30 to 35 feet tall, absolutely tall enough to take on a Tank Megatron. Again, I go off on a tangent, but I wanted to point out that Bay's supposed reason for making this a long nose semi is to give Prime some equal footing against Megatron. This reasoning just proves that Bay does not understand Prime's character and it cements the fact that I, as a fan of the Transformers for 22 years, just can't trust Bay to handle this property correctly. Unless someone buys me a ticket, I'm out. Fans of the Transformers are not getting the film they deserve. So, I'm suggesting to you all that if Bay won't respect the fans enough to give them even an explanation of his choices, or to show us what the Transformers look like, then he doesn't deserve our support or our money.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:31 a.m. CST


    by smorgasborgnine

    Haters and detractors, please. Even though we live and breathe in a day and age where Wayans Bros. can make movies where it looks like grown-ups are really babies talking, we also exist in an era of filmmaking where exciting advances are being made every day... where the once close-minded hierarchy never gave a damn about our voices. I'm talking about a world where Peter Guber reigned supreme and gave birth to your Bolls and Schumachers and movies where the Punisher had comic relief for neighbors and Jim Jarmusch suddenly made boring, go-nowhere movies. America answered loudly, my fellow geeks. We said, "Hell no!" to mort villians for Spiderman such as the Vulture. We said, "Not over my dead man's chest!" and got to see Jack Sparrow try to stand his drunk ass head tall and reign over a tried-and-true icon like Superman... cool movie, yes... but Sparrow hits closer to home than the big blue boyscout. (let's face it, ever since we got our first glimpse of internet porn, the whole wholesome America notion went out the door... puking Asians, indeed!) So, anyhoo, keep the faith, fellow nerds! Mr. Bay isn't the complete fool his earlier flicks would lead us to believe. He's now taking on a project very near and dear to our little mid-80's hearts. Yes, others have tried and failed before he... but, that's the rub. Based on the few pics leaked out already, he's already taken great pains to make this as wonderful as possible. And, yes, I understand the definition of a talkback... all's I'm saying is don't jump to conclusions. Any guy who spends the time to build a fully-articulated, true-to-scale robot version of an Autobot instead of just falling back upon some crappy CGI is a righteous dude in my unread book.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:44 a.m. CST

    TAke a look at the pic...

    by jhpiii

    go here.. I hate this look. Michael Bay is way overrated and this film will expose him like Brett Ratner. They can ride off of Bad Boys, and Rush Hour for so me they are typical 'ruin a good idea' movie makers. This will be another Thunderbirds. Ill wait for the DVD, he's probably working on a live action THundercats too.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST

    I brought up Thunderbirds first

    by Phategod1

  • July 14, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    you did Phategod1

    by jhpiii

    You did, and I went back and saw your comment, and said to myself....'damn if two people think that much the same about Bay's movie, its gonna come true. He will ruin this one.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST

    See My fan made Clerks 2 Trailer

    by Darth Evil Dead

    Fuck Michael Bay.. Anyways see my new trailer for Clerks 2.. By going to

  • July 14, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST

    Thanks YackBacker...

    by nonsensical

    I know we haven't seen eye to eye in the talkbacks, but I wanted to say thanks. Maybe someday Transformers fans will be lucky enough to get a G1 Transformers Movie, but this G2 film is just not going to cut it. I also wanted to comment on the post from smorgasborgnine. Smorgasborgnine, one of my friends put it to me simply. He told me that initially films like Spiderman and X-Men had to be done with great care. Fans had to be consulted and shown that the people working on this weren't going to piss all over the titles the fans had grown up on. They explained their choices for change and begged your forgiveness and pleaded for you to remain open and optomistic. Now that comic properties have become the huge draw that they are the fans no longer matter. It's about tricking them into seeing the film based on that which the fans had loved about the title. Going to the movie in hopes of seeing what had made them fans in the first place. All most of hollywood wants now is your money. The time of quality fan pleasing and well written stories based on comics and the like are over with the exception Spiderman and possibly a few others. Honestly, I agree with my friend, and I don't even think Spiderman is immune to this now. The look of Green Goblin II on his jet powered snowboard just makes me cringe a little, but if this is explained in the film like I trust Raimi to do, then I can fogive it. Bay still has to prove himself. He has to earn the trust of the fans, and the route he has taken just doesn't do that. He has not taken great pains to make this as wonderful as possible because if he had then we would be getting Bumblebee as a VW and Prime as the flat nose Mack Truck he is meant to be. If the writers and designers were real fans of the show they would have known that Bumblebee was the smallest of the Autobots. They would have fought to have things appear the way they should. Fans of the show would have know that fans would understand the VW issue but would have wanted Bumblebee to be a Mini-Cooper like he has been redesigned to be in the Classics toy that Hasbro will release later this year. Smorgasborgnine, I don't know if you are a fan, but I doubt it, I thought it was great that Bay was making a practical model of one of the transformers, but he failed to make it look like the transformers we all know and love. Bottom line, he failed, and each failure hurts the fans more and more.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:57 a.m. CST

    That's it, fuck this movie

    by photoboy

    If they can't do Prime properly then that's it, I'm not seeing it and I'll tell everyone I know that I've heard it's rubbish. It's not fucking hard to do Transformers properly, it was done back in the '80s for fucks sake. All Bay had to do was copy that instead of giving it the retard treatment.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Peak = PEEK!

    by Cat_Corporation

    Sorry to be a pedant, but get a dictionary, man.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST


    by Dolph

    Make Optimus smaller then?! Make them 20ft tall!! THAT VEHICLE LOOKS LIKE SHIT!! If he HAS to be long nose..make him primary red - HOW HARD IS IT?!

  • July 14, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    It looked fine to me..

    by RMcD3

    More like the G2 or Armada Optimus. The original was (lets be honest) blocky and kind of reliant on the animators slimming down his waistline artificially to make him look natural. The toy had a perfectly square torso and big holes in his sides where his arms went. Besides, Optimus' robot mode - his stocky overall proportions and above all his head - are what make him Optimus, not his vehicle mode. As for his colour scheme, maybe he can change it, like a chameleon? Maybe he was in disguise in this photo? Or maybe he starts out like this, and acquires his classic livery at some point during the film?

  • July 14, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    this flick is doomed

    by Phategod1

    Im gonna pirate the shit out this movie I will give it out in front the theatre and mail it to anyone who wants it.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:14 a.m. CST

    Can anyone who is good on photoshop....

    by Dolph

    ...alter this photo into the Optimus colours? The red "body" and the blue "leg" portions...I would love to see what it looks like, whether the ridiculous flame design is compromising my thoughts on the long-nose. Would be very grateful!

  • July 14, 2006, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Fuck off Bay.

    by fortheloveofgod

    You don't have a fucking clue. Screw this movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST

    MRcD3 You need to look at this...

    by nonsensical

    Bay could have done this and fans would have loved it. I know everyone has posted this, but it really is perfect. So is this for Starscream. Click on the image to make it larger. Personally, I prefer the parts that are on his waist to be on his legs as in thee previous design, but I would let it slide if this was Starscream in the Movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST


    by Brendon

    Both Optimus Prime as a truck and Bumblebee as a robot are at so go there and click around for joy.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:40 a.m. CST


    by Brendon's the contect to that image:

  • July 14, 2006, 5:18 a.m. CST

    This project is dead to me now bring on........

    by ShawnT


  • July 14, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST

    zz-prime in effect

    by reckni

    no soundwave then, make us fork over however much dough it'll be when released out of curiosity, based on hope for bay? show something cool to give fans hope. cockiness never matches confidence.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:24 a.m. CST

    here we go again

    by Lost Prophet

    "Michael Bay is ass raping my childhood..WAAH" Why is there any surprise about this. He is a fucking hack. Hopefully everyone will boycott it (outside of him and (assuming he has some)his friends- whilst the whole world gets to throw buckets of shit on them on their way into the cinema) and the man will never be allowed within 100yds of a camera. And I include all the shitey horror remakes made for a braindead MTV consuming ritalin swilling teen audience that he is the producer of when I rant about his track record.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST

    I Don't Know Anymore...

    by MarkoOhNo

    It may actually TAKE a year for me to prepare myself for Transformers being shitty. I'm only going to see it in theaters if I can get it into my head that I'm not going to see Transformers -- I'm going to see a weak imitation filled with action, effects and fire. If I can't get over the mangling Bay seems set on performing, I'll just send him my digital "fuck you" by downloading a pirated copy, skimming it, and deleting it. I could live with a longnose design if they could artistically give a VERY GOOD REASON for it. What's been presented here is bullshit -- not good enough. I'd rather see an honest tribute with weak effects than a high-budget shitball. And from what I'm reading, 95% of all Transformers fans are in agreement on this. Are you listening Bay?! That's a LOT of freakin money you won't get and a big, ugly freakin bruise on your list of directorial credits. Be sensible. That's all we ask of you.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Stop production now before Transformers is ruined!

    by Alyzr'nSummerset

    Just pull the plug! Don't tarnish Transformers with this horrendous farce. Michael Bay has proven he doesn't know what he's doing. He's turning something that's sacred to many people into a travesty. Bay, Paramount and Dreamworks need to wise up. The fans matter. We don't want to see Transformers ruined. Unless they cast Peter Cullen and Frank Welker, there is absolutely no way I will ever see this movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Bah weep granna weep ninni bong

    by Dolph

  • July 14, 2006, 5:56 a.m. CST

    Why Is The Transformers So Important Anyway?

    by MarkoOhNo

    For me, it's because they represent the end of my childhood. The very moment Optimus Prime died, I lost all the innocence and (some of) the naivete I'd retained as a young boy. I left the theater in a state of shock and knew life would never be the same. It was my first real experience at the feeling of knowing I'd lost something I'd never get back. (A week before, I'd turned 13 and moved from the ranch home, in a tiny Oregon town, I'd grown up in to a Seattle suburb; and a few weeks later I began 7th grade, so this was only the beginning of that feeling. lol) When I heard that Bay would be directing a live action Transformers, I had a spark of hope that maybe I could get some small piece of that childhood back. (See? Told ya I didn't lose all naivete. lol) As I read about him ignoring the fans and REIMAGINING The Transformers, I grow increasingly disillusioned. Optimus Prime is truely dead and gone, vanished into the depths of space. I'd hoped maybe Bay would make a run to Cybertron to pick up the cosmetron from Wheeljack's Workshop needed to revive him, but he's apparently decided to just take the matrix of leadership and run.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST

    You know...I've thought some f**ked up things...

    by Dolph

    ...but the thought just pulsed through my brain: I'd actually rather have Brett Ratner directing this!! He's of an age and a character that would actually stay pretty true to the original designs!! What is Bay doing to me -making me think like this?!

  • July 14, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST

    I Bet

    by MarkoOhNo

    Every day during production, Bay wakes up and plays Stan Bush's You've Got The Touch and sings out loud along with it! And when it's done playing, he looks in the mirror and says to himself, "I DO have the touch! I DO have the power! Fuck all y'all! I AM VECTOR SIGMA!!"

  • July 14, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST

    no- he wakes up

    by Lost Prophet

    and stands naked in front of the mirror gently stroking his nipples, whispering "you are the greatest, mikey, the greatest" before taking a shit and then wiping his arse on the script of a much loved 70's horror movie. Or a classic comic book. He then completes his pentagram, lights some candles, and drops to his knees to suck off the devil in payment for the fact that he even has a career ruining films. I was going to say that he sold his soul, but I doubt the man had one to begin with, so satanic blow job it is.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:15 a.m. CST

    No, BEFORE he wakes up..

    by Dolph

    ..he has a crescent of dolly track laid for a camera to circle around him as he rises into frame in slow motion...

  • July 14, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Durden - yes.

    by board shitlez

    Bay doesn't HAVE to do anything for the grunts on this site who are currently abusing him. Event films are not targeted at 28-33 year olds - the general age of original transformer fans. You can sit wanking wondering whether you'll see the leadership Matrix, or Wrack and Ruin engulfed by the Scraplets as much as you like, he isn't making this film for nerds, and he doesn't care about your memories. His target audience will be pretty fresh to it, and may just enjoy a cool concept BROUGHT UP TO DATE, rather than languising in an 80s retro hell. This film absolutely does not need "legs" an entire year before its release.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Geeks - film saviours!

    by board shitlez

    "The geeks that come back again and again" weren't enough to save Serenity. Did they give it legs?

  • July 14, 2006, 6:38 a.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    LOL You made me laugh out loud! That was priceless! He probably has countless reels of that stocked in a video library somewhere! One day, long after he's gone, someone will find this locked vault of footage and say, "Who the fuck was Michael Bay?" This will prompt a long quest in a search for the answer, leading to a wise geek at the peak of a tall mountain. After an exhaustive Google search, his reply will be, "This was a man who singlehandedly exterminated an entire species of living machines, which were revered by children everywhere." Every frame he had ever shot will then be gathered and burned in a bizarre, mystical ritual intended to banish him from our dimension of time and space. It will work but, in a cruelly ironic twist of fate, Transformers will then be directed instead by Uwe Boll.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    "aka no magically disappearing parts." Alien tech? Hi!

    by Horseflesh

    The Transformers are made of ALIEN TECHNOLOGY. Technology that allows them to make giant man-like robots that think and feel and turn into vehicles and such. Superior technology always looks "magical" you fucking ape!

  • July 14, 2006, 6:56 a.m. CST

    LOL Marko...

    by Dolph

    Until that day...till all are one.

  • July 14, 2006, 7 a.m. CST

    the big problem

    by Cory849

    The biggest problem with this movie wont be the design changes. Its that he seems to want to make a movie where humans carry the plot. In the Transformers, the story is about the transformers. The humans are very very secondary. I bet this movie reverses that.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Ha! that is funny but I think you missed a bit

    by Lost Prophet

    "This was a man who shat on the fond childhood memories of a generation of late 20-somethings by singlehandedly exterminated an entire species of living machines, which were revered by children everywhere."

  • July 14, 2006, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Space Cruiser Yamato And Robotech!!!

    by MetalWater

    I've said it before...I'll say it again!!!...Why would Steven Spielberg waste time and money producing a live action movie on the stupid Transformers cartoon, when he could have produced truly wonderful live action films based on some of the greatest anime of all time???...Yes, great anime, from Space Cruiser Yamato aka Star Blazers (the film and series George lucas ripped off to create Star Wars from stem to stern) to Robotech (Series 1), Akira, and of course Gundam or even Perfect Blue(something scarier than The Ring and The Grudge ever thought about being)...And let's not forget Astro Boy, Aqua Boy, Kimba The White Lion (the real Lion King which Disney stole from) 8 Man, and Speed Racer...Instead, we are being treated to what is certain to be a inconsequential Transformers matter how in may turn out...which will have no significant impact on the movie industry or the arts, over all!!! The Tranformers live action movie is plainly a dumb idea and a waste of time, money and talent!!! What an insult to true anime fans!!! Like Lucas, Spielberg has just become nothing but a cheap toy salesman!!! After all, isn't this all about profiting from percentage cuts from the eagerly anticipated toy licencing??? So much for quality film making!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    I guess I'm the only one

    by Orbots Commander

    who thinks that Bay has the right strategy. He's right about Peter Jackson's Kong. You shouldn't have been able to clearly see the monkey until you sat down in the theater. Same thing with these robots; hint at them, show a part, a wing, a wheel, whatever. That's how you build audience curiosity. Spielberg does this all the time; Raimi too, although not so much. I can bet that we won't get a really good look at Venom or the Sandman in 'sand mode' until we first see the movie in theaters.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Get off the "Transformers is doomed bandwagon" already

    by Jedi2dope

    Not EVERY movie Spielberg executive produced is fantastic, for sure. But looks at HIS hits vs. misses. So what if they change how the transfomers looks somewhat. SO WHAT?!?! Seriously, you people are not happy unless there is somebody to lambast for "raping your childhood". Let Bay fuck it up before you jump on his ass for fucking it up. If you see it, and don't like it, the cartoons will still be there.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    bumble bee pic?

    by benooi77 Is this real?

  • July 14, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Two word review.

    by Frankenblogger

    Shit sandwich.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Long nose truck ?

    by SuperSneaky

    So they gave Optimus Prime a pot belly ? Fantastic. God bless Michael Bay for trying to keep a film about giant transforming alien robots grounded as much in reality as possible !

  • July 14, 2006, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Bah weep granna weep ninni bong

    by Phategod1

    and F u jayjew i just caught that shit

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST


    by MrNelson

    This flick is going to tank as The Island: maybe good, but how large is the fan base? Some Jap Geeks, some US geeks and maybe some geeks in Europe are going to see this. Question. How much money does Spielberg have to produce these movies?

  • July 14, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    The matrix has left the building

    by benooi77

    Michael Bay should have tried to make the live-action version of the transformer movie! That would have been funny! Physics and realistic....what a joke!

  • July 14, 2006, 8:18 a.m. CST

    It's real benooi77

    by ShawnT

    ..and was on this site for a brief moment until bay camp had it taken down. Much like the other talkback on the subject, we are looking at least 95% hate ratio to what's going on with this project.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Optimus: Sam Elliot Megatron: Frank Langella

    by Declan_Swartz

    Credit to my buddy M for these good voice picks that could appease the studio and fans.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Size doesn't matter

    by HarriPannus

    The notion that Prime has to be as large as Megatron in order to be an equal in battle is ridiculous. A " David and Goliath " or "St. George and the Dragon" factor could be pretty compelling. Prime's design should not be changed!

  • July 14, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Horseflesh, re: Disappearing Parts, Alien Tech

    by MrBoinfoint

    I think they're talking about how in the cartoon Prime's trailer would come off his back and then... not be there, for the entire fight scene. Just like Ratchet and Iron Side and the majority of the bulk of their ambulance/van forms myserioulsy went away. They didn't fold inot themselves or decrease mass or anything, they disappeared. Megatron and Soundwave area whole other story. I sure hope this talkback devolves into another huge argument about how Prime's primary color paint job is a reflection of his American ideals. 'Cause politics and transforming robots go hand in hand. Actually, looking at the Prime statue pic posted above, the only cause he seems to be promoting is the rainbow flag of gay rights.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST



    remember when that picture leaked? there was an uproar but the studio never listened, never changed the costume. look what happened with that.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Deadpanned enough, he'll actually

    by Thenedain

    speak to us, the dirty unwashed masses. As I said repeatedly on the other TB, sure, you can change the truck model, but changing the colors is impossibly reDICKulous. Outrageous, the dude's got an ego larger than most I've seen, and that's saying something. At this point I'm pretty much resigned to watching Transformers crash and burn into the massive shit pile being arranged for it. I wonder if there's someway to get to Speilberg? Maybe make him see the light, as it were, and start reigning Bay in before he creates a colossal colostomy bag of an embarrassment to him. Speilberg went on the line for him, promising the fans that we'd get a movie we'd want to see. Guess what, Steven? The massive amount of internet hate being generated right now should show you something.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Regardless of what I've said, I've been thinking...

    by MrBoinfoint

    Translation to other mediums always brings with it deviation from the source material. And as we've seen time and again in the recent spate of comics-to-film, certain basic aspects of visual design must be changed to accomdate "reality." But these are automobiles we are talking about here, which exist in the real world already,a nd which the toys were based off of, not vice versa. So if they couldn't get VW to sign off Bumblebee, and Mack to sign off on Prime, then why even bother to make the movie? Just something that occurred to me last night. Car commercials never have a problem getting permission to use competitor's brands in their commercials, even if they're badmouthing them. There had to be some amount of money that the studio could throw at the Germans to appease their guilt. Money that could be creatively accounted, that in any rate goes towards the building of a potentially lucrative franchise.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    To the person who said this should have been beast wars

    by rubensreviews

    Shut the fuck up and don't talk anymore. You also probably think G.I joe Sigma 6 is a great american animation

  • July 14, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    windows in chest

    by bigdrawz

    if they are not on his chest because they say glass can break easy I'm going to scream this is a movie about big robots from space that transform to cars to hide their real appearance .Hey bay robots not WWII battleships get real starwars was a hit because all real world physics were flushed done the toilet sound in space anyone.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    Have you seen the VW commericial where they trebuchet a, I think, Nissan? I bet VW didn't get their permission before launching their competitor's car into the ground on international TV. You cannot get me to believe that they couldn't just use a VW. I seriously doubt you have to get a car company's permission to show their make in a film: you'd think that'd really fuck with those highway car chase scenes, wouldn't you? No.. like Yackbacker points out, they chose the Camaro for a Fast N Da Furious/T&A movie feel and to be able to use the movie as a big car commerical for the '08. Same goes with Mack, except there's a HELL of a lot more cabover truck manufacturers out there than just Mack. As has been pointed out before, cabovers are still on the road, still being produced, and still look kick ass. This whole 'not big enough' line is bullshit: the freakin' toys are in scale for shit's sake!!! How fucking hard is it to take a fucking toy, already fucking modeled off an existing car design, and translate that to CGI? I will say again, changing Prime ( most notable his colors ) for the sake of 'directoral vision' or 'redesigning' is a base fucking insult to everyone who remembers Prime as a pop culture icon. And for the record: those people who recognize Prime are far more diverse than the 27-33 year old demographic people would like to think is the only people who know what Prime looks like. For fuck's sake, they've used him in Family Guy!! That alone should be used as a gauge of how 'pop culture' and 'recognizable' he is! Go to the mall: You can still find Prime in his classic design being sold today, and not just in toys, but in places like Hot Topic which cater to the late teens crowd. For crying out loud, even my fucking parents know what Prime looks like!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    That's the funniest bit for me. God, I love that. It's like he's making shit up now to justify the stupid, idiotic changes he's making. Oh... well... Prime has to be bigger or else it wouldn't be believeable that he could fight the much bigger Decepticons. Fuck that. Hey, Bay, watch Return of the King you soulless fuck! One guy kills a fucking giant Elephant singlehandedly. Sure, not believeable, but you check your believeability at the fucking door when you watch Return of the King because, get this, it's a fucking FANTASY movie! It's not supposed to reflect reality you piece of shit! Just like transforming robots from outer space, unless you happen to know something that the rest of the populace doesn't and their really IS transforming robots from outer space that you're perfectly modeling your fucking steaming pile of dung movie on.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Bay, if you must rape the image of Prime...

    by YourDaddy


  • July 14, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Bay = Hack...

    by hipcheck13 - how many slow-mo shots against the sun can we expect? Next to Uwe Boll, Bay is the worst director of our time. Cliched, trite, overwrought - all of these are UNDERSTATEMENTS when describing Mr. Pearl Harbor.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    What ever happened to the whole 'alien' thing?

    by Grayle

    They want to stick to the realism thing, that's all fine and dandy... but we're talking about alien technologies here.. that right there should cover the whole magically hidden and compressing parts, wouldn't you think? I guess this means no soundwave.... i realize there's going to be changes.. and it's too late now... but here's hoping them the best...

  • July 14, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Bay doesn't get it.


    Bay needs to sit down and watch SEASON ONE and SEASON TWO of the original Transformers. And realize what everyone loves about it. Because the adoration so many people have for Transformers is not and can not be unfounded. If he doesn't get it. He has to go back and LEARN to get it.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Oh Yeah - One More Thing...

    by hipcheck13

    ...Mike Bay dissing Pete Jackson? Mike, you couldn't carry Pete's jockstrap. Don't kid yourself. Kong (as well as the LOTR trilogy) had more action and beautiful set shot then you can wet dream about, yet STILL had real emotion at its core - something completely foreign to you. You, sir, are no Peter Jackson.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    don't bitch about beast wars

    by optimusprimeass

    ive watched transformers for over 20 years,and code of a hero is one of the best tf episodes.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST


    by hipcheck13

    You REALLY need to get out more.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Throw some muhfuggin' snakes in that truck.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    And, again, have Hulk Hogan voice it. "Flame on, brother!"

  • July 14, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Code of a Hero?

    by Thenedain

    That's the awesome one with Dinobot ain't it? If so, yeah, that's probably one of my favorite TF episodes.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    From OP to POS

    by Darth Pookie

    Is Optimus Prime hispanic? How else do you explain the gaudy fucking flames?!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Emmerich/Devlin said the same thing about Godzilla

    by GiggityGoo

    The "we're fans, don't worry, we're going to do you proud" comment that I'm paraphrasing from Bay & Co. above. And look how that turned out. I think I would have been happy with a 25-foot flat-cab Prime. And I really, really, really don't see how they can advertise the film without showing EVEN ONE TRANSFORMED ROBOT. Is it me, or does that seem crazy?...

  • July 14, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Fuck it dude -- let's go bowling.

    by Dokkalvar

    Is Nelson Bay's Liason? Because comes off as a douche. - I certainly hope not.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    I've been reading the Bay forums and that was the first thought I had too. The guy is definitely coming off like a douche, and his arguments are asinine at best. I can't stop reading though, as he gets funnier and funnier by the a car wreck kind of way.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by Traumnovelle

    Harry. Your being forced to wait, just like the rest of us. Remember back when you were just a film fan? And a big movie that you anticipated was coming out, but you felt they didn't show enough early on, just cause you were so psyched and you wanted every little scrap of information you could get your grubby little hands on? Thats how this shit is. Stop whining for two fucking seconds. You'll get your concept art and your robot designs and your explanations and your full on real-deal trailer. Patience is a virtue. The movie's not coming out for a YEAR. Get off your soapbox and let Bay shoot the damn thing. Christ.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Shut up. Shut up all of you.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The movie is 1 year away. We have not yet seen one second (24 frames) of footage. May I remind you that up until a few days ago, everyone was saying that it was a confirmed FACT that Prime was going to be blue and white. You guys are making ridiculous assumptions and you're drawing premature conclusions. Optimus Prime would be very, very disappointed in all of you. Obviously, you learned nothing from his wisdom and leadership over the years. He would have thought you all were made of sterner stuff.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Just wondering . . .

    by CreasyBear

    Would those of you who are very upset over the paint job and the Cullen voice thing truly be okay if these issues were resolved, or would you be tempted to find another TF issue to worry about? Be honest.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Here's a 50 gallon drum of gasoline for this talkback..

    by Banshee7

    Check out this link to see what a flatnose Optimus Prime could look like.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    I've said from the get go that for me, at least, the only thing they had to get right was the look for Prime, simply because he's the character that many people easily associate with Transformers. That goes for fans and non-fans alike, as Prime's image has popped up everywhere in the last few years. Were he the traditional color, and if Cullen did the voice, I would happily put aside all my doubts and put up my cash to see the movie. I've said before I don't mind the longnose, even though I still find the reasoning so far for not using a cabover silly, so the basic truck design is fine.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by Dr. Opticus

  • July 14, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Someone didn't actually read what I wrote

    by MrBoinfoint

    I believe I said "if you can't get the cars, why even bother to make the movie." In order to use a competitor

  • July 14, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    This is so gay....

    by Dr. Opticus

    youre all a bunch of fanboy fucks!

  • July 14, 2006, 10:41 a.m. CST

    The Hoop-T-Cons

    by Thenedain

    ROFL... yeah! I'd put my old Ford Granada in that mix to be the torso. Get an Escort here, a old station wagon there... hehehe

  • July 14, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Is everyone delusional?

    by digital_animator

    You know I read these talkbacks all the time and always laugh, cringe, and fight waves of nausea at the intense reactions, self contradictions, and hate based on leaked movie info and images. I have to remind myself that most of these (probably means you) guys are "fans" in the true sense of the word fanatics, motivated by an extreme, "unreasoning" enthusiasm. And while there is nothing wrong with that (I have my share of irrational enthusiasm for certain topics) I wish a few more talkbackers could do a little self-realization and discuss things a little differently. Without the irrational logic and hate (omg the hate). I mean I grew up and loved transformer, as did most boys of my generation (a generation btw, who isn't going to make or break this movie with its ticket sales) I am excited that this movie is being made. Will it be everything I could hope for? Probably not. Could suck ass, but could be better then I imagined. I won't know till I see it. I won't decide that the movie is garbage because I saw a picture of a truck. I'll say that I'd prefer it to be a flat nosed truck, and that I don't really see the need to change that, but jeez, if you expect to see this movie and have all the characters match the cartoon you are deluding yourself. Megatron was a handgun. Who magically (or technologically) changed sized. Soundwave was a cassette player; he should be 2 feet high. Omega Supreme turned into a rocket base. (who would launch a rocket (full of autobots) made up of his arm and would transform back into a robot when he landed, despite the fact that the rest of his body was the launch base) Lots of the characters were just copies of another with a different colors (lets face it, it

  • July 14, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    "then I think you missed the point of transformers"

    by newc0253

    well said, sir, well said. i grew up on transformers as well but it's real hard to fathom folks getting this worked up about the shape of optimus prime's front grill.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    The uncleanness fades

    by Thenedain

    Gratz on your first talkback! I'm leaning your way at the moment: I'm hoping that the truck is either some kind of decoy or the scanned Teletram 1 truck. I'd go for a nice deep blue and red, actually, maybe sonething like the colors on the Supes Returns costume. Could look snazzy. A minivan Prime would be funny as heck, but only if was driven at one point by a soccer mom. That'd be great.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    yeah there was another Prime with a long nose...


    but he sucked ass.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Clooney/Hanks/Sutherland (Optimus) Langela(Megatron)

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Tim Roth (Star Scream) Michael Vartan (Prowl)

  • July 14, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Hey hipcheck13...

    by nonsensical

    I probably get out a hell of alot more than you do. Now if you'll exccuse me I need to go look for new luggage for my trip to Boston in two weeks. My old luggage kinda got fucked up on the way back from Colorado. Still, despite your attack on my personal life I'm not going to attend this film, and neither should you.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Transformers as of right now

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    We say a pic of Optimus, totally out of context to what is going on. I posted this the other day BUT remember the pics that leaked of all of the vehicles? there was pictures of a 70's style Camaro and a 2007 or 8 that is supposed ot be Bumblebee. I am assuming Bumblebee is going to get fixed up at somepoint. My theory is that the autobots have been dormant for some time while trapped on earth (in the cartoon they crashed here and operated out of their crashed ship that was lodged into the side of a mountain in the desert) So what we could be seeing is Optimus as being owned by some trucker unbeknownest to him that he is driving a huge transforming robot. The way I see it is if this is correct, it gives Bay the opportunity to incoprorate variations of Prime from the Series into the flick. So for example the pic we saw was G2 Lazerod Prime. When the Decepticons first attack, the Transformers need to regroup and I am sure Optimus would undego a paintjob. Remember, the keywords "ROBOTS IN DISGUISE" well I got a feeling that may work on a few levels. WHAT I DON'T agree abotu is that Spider-Man 3 is about a year away as well and we have seen more from that in a very positive manner than we have for Transformers. Its not good policy to hide from the fans. If your trying to keep it from the General Public, so be it, but at least feed the fans that will be giving you your royalties, MR. Bay

  • July 14, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Murphy/Speilberg/Bay need only to see Supes results

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    when you don't adhere to some of the suggestions of the fans. TRANSFORMERS could be as big a commerical hit as Spider-Man, if people can recognize what their witnessing on screen. GET IT TOGETHER!

  • July 14, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    sign this petition

    by syco

    its to keep cullen as the voice of optimus for the film

  • July 14, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Further more

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    The Voices are whats really important, that is whats really goign to tie this back to the original property. Appearance can be comprimised (again look at Spideys black costume) Voice and Characterization is where it counts.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    hiding what the robots look like

    by rubensreviews

    sounds like a gimmick to get people into the theatre to me. Sounds like Uwe Bolls stunt to have critics fight him so people will pay to see that shit postal film just cuz they hear he gets beat up in it for making shitty movies. a GIMMICK I TELL YOU!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST


    by syco

    i hate the way all these dickheads say the G1 optimus was blocky! i own the 20th anniverary prime and it is the baddest toy on this fuckin planet!it is to scale with the alternators and it is twice as tall. theres no reason for bay to fuck this up other than its in his nature. and fuck steven spielberg for picking bay in the first place. fan my ass.FUCK. i been waiting 20 yrs for this and now it looks like im never gonna get to see it at all. i guarantee i will tell every person i know not to watch this piece of shit

  • July 14, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by BatCountry

    Way to sell out Wikipedia. I saw it there as well, but was trying to keep it on the DL. Now Bay's minions can go and force them to take it down too. What a maroon.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    And by the way all

    by BatCountry

    Megatron was a tank in one of the other generations, so it's not that big of a departure. As much as I would like to see the iconic gray gun version, I don't think it will translate well to film. I mean, how the hell are you going to have a pistol transform into a 40-foot robot? Do you want Starscream to walk around holding him and shooting people too?

  • July 14, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    ive said it before and ill say it again.....

    by syco

    FUCK YOU metalwater. transformers is and always will be the shizzle

  • July 14, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    And another thing

    by BatCountry

    I tried registering for Bay's forum under the handle "pleasedontsuck," and I have yet to be approved for registration by the powers that be (that was 3 days ago). What a spineless weasel.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST



    Megatron was also an alligator, a dinosaur, a dragon, a gun and an assload of other crap that sucked. BTW Megatrons a CYBERTRONIAN JET in this movie not a TANK.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    If you missed any of the TF PICS...see them here.....

    by misterWINKIE

    Tons of pics...several Transkormer pics...Brawl, Devastator, Bonecrusher, Bumblebee.... Or more set pics... some of the same...some different.. Enjoy

  • July 14, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Megatrons a CYBERTRONIAN JET in this movie not a TANK."

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    You have absolute, substantiated proof of this, Bruticus? I'd be surprised if you do...

  • July 14, 2006, noon CST

    Fuck Bay, test footage on YouTube!!!!!!!!!!

    by Hairy Nutsack

  • July 14, 2006, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Nice Gaius, it's AICN. Since when...

    by finky089

    does anyone actually have real facts to back up anything they say?

  • July 14, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Why exactly is it important they be 50ft tall, not

    by finky089

    25? Because 25 seems pretty tall. Quint' right about one thing, the seeds for this movie's success are being planted now. Ye reap what ye sow, Bay. Ye be warned.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    lets be honest with ourselves for one minute.....

    by wcoop893

    the only reason why you fanboys are being so stupid about everything is because you dont trust michael bay. if spielberg were directing, and we saw these pics and knew about these changes, you would all be perfectly fine with. but guess what, spielberg is attached to this project, and so stop hating on michael bay. spielberg said it himself, there is no one better to direct this movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Calm down fanboys...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Bay will rock this shite don't worry

  • July 14, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The big "reveal" scheduled for ComicCon

    by Immortal_Fish

    Can't think of more than only two things: 1) Introduce the return of the surviving voice actors, or 2) Show movie footage of a transformer in action. Bay's statement rules out one of these two possibilities. Can any of you folks think of others? If he does show up at ComicCon, Bay should keep a wide buffer zone between himself and the audience, and between now and then he should dedicate some time practicing how to dodge.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    The Real Victims Here Are...

    by ZombieSolutions

    the people who actually think this movie isn't going to suck Grimlocks sweaty robotdinosaur balls. its Michael Bay for chrissakes! if one good thing is going to come out of this its going to be the re-release of TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE on DVD. somehow i missed getting it the first time around.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:26 p.m. CST

    All or Nothing

    by Decker71

    I am no Bay fan. I will say that he can film action and blow shit up like nobody's business. We geeks can hem and haw all damn day about how Bay isn't catering to the hardcore Transformer fans. Neither did the cartoons. How many goofy versions of Optimus Prime have we seen? How long have we goofed on the ridiculous physics? This should be a popcorn action extravaganza. That's it. I dig the fact that Bay is trying to give some solid physics to the Transformers. Optimus should be a big fucking red truck. I could give a shit if he's a MACK, Peterbuilt, Freightliner or a Kenworth. I'd like the story to involve the Transformers assimilating earth conventions, with the Autobots giving more thought into fitting into the new environment and the Decepticons being brash and not. I'd love to see some sort of highway scene that tops the Matrix. I'd love to see giant robot battles and puny humans swept up into the fray. I want to see all that and more, but I'll gladly wait to see it on screen. I want the suprise. I want that holy shit moment when gears start cranking and the transforming happens. Sure I have the spoiler itch to see what Bay has in store, but he owes us nothing. Not one goddamn thing. To hold onto our geek place in the grand scheme of Hollywood any higher is foolish. We will get what Bay gives us no matter if it is every damn design or nothing but that silly teaser. We'll all run to see it because it's live action Transformers. Bay will pull out all the explosive stops and make us go back again and again if only for one or two kick ass bits. We'll buy the DVD and the extended super deluxe four disc edition. Why? Because at the end of the day it is still the live action Transformers movie we have dreamt about for decades.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    BRUTICUS and winkie

    by BatCountry

    Is Megatron really going to be a jet? I thought everyone was saying it was a tank. Just going by what the general consensus was on here. Why would he be Cybertonian in style though? Aren't they trying to blend in? As for those pix, nothing I haven't seen before, except for that half-transformed Bumblee, which I actually thought looked pretty cool.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    oh to be...

    by Grayle

    I wish i could be a master film maker like so many of the people here... then maybe i could piss and moan before i know anything about every film too.... shucks...

  • July 14, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Pics of Bumblebee in both modes

    by HessenRoots

    Maybe I missed it but has anyone bothered to mention this yet? So much for "total secrecy"

  • July 14, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    How come...

    by Talkback1138

    How come no one ever noticed a giant spaceship sticking out of mountain?

  • July 14, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Talkback1138, cause there is no spaceship sticking out


    of the mountain, theyve changed the story entirely

  • July 14, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    HessenRoots...yeah you missed it

    by ShawnT

    Posted before here and posted in this talkback. But thanks for another link...some may not have seen it.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Agreed on the Kong thing, it goes for most big movies.

    by minderbinder

    Show way too fucking much in the trailers. Just tease the audience, there's way less impact if you've already showed all the big sequences. The LOTR movies did it right, no balrog in the trailers. I'll probably avoid POTC3 trailers for this reason, I want to be blown out of my seat.

  • July 14, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    hey, zombiesolutions, if you want that Transformers dvd

    by moondoggy2u

    just email me and I'll be more than happy to mail you a copy.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Decker71, re: All or Nothing

    by Immortal_Fish

    I don't get folks like you who claim that Bay owes us nothing. He certainly does owe me for a $10 fee and a 2-hour slice out of my life. Anyone expecting me to pony up had best deliver.

  • July 14, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    This won't be a movie about Transformers

    by MarkoOhNo

    This will be a movie about those cheap-ass made-in-China Transformer-wannabe rippoffs. Just keep telling yourself this and the movie may actually be enjoyable. lol The unfortunate thing is, if anyone ever steps up who wants to make a DECENT Transformers movie, they'll have to take the same route as the Ghostbusters cartoon and title it "The REAL Transformers"! =P Ha. Okay, I've said enough. If Michael Bay doesn't know by now that, based on the impression given by what's been "leaked", his film is going to transform into a ball of shit, sink to the bottom and stick to the toilet bowl, then he's a deaf, mute and blind fool. This movie could be GREAT! It could be PHENOMINAL! Even WITH Bay as director! If he would only silence the voices in his head long enough, he would realize that G1 Transformers was an unprecidented overnight success. Which is more unbelievable? That a handheld taperecorder could become a 3-story tall robot, that an 18-wheeler could keep up with an F-22 Raptor, or that a director's nuts could inflate to the size of a 5-story building - large enough for him to believe that he could retool an overwhelmingly successful title and turn it into something better? I wanna take some votes on this....

  • July 14, 2006, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Umm... 5 story nuts?

    by Thenedain

    I can't even type that. It's too disturbing.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Optimus in Preview Footage?

    by aleeminator Look at around 3:30 into the Spielberg test footage thingy, I'm pretty sure that its Optimus you see transforming into the "flame truck" for like a fraction of a second (after the dancing robot)

  • July 14, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST

    jack colby i guess....

    by wcoop893

    but i still think its just different. i know there are many different variations of primes colors and things, and sure the red and blue whatever is by far the most popular. but i think, that for this first ever real life big action movie of the transformers, if the movie makers wanna change something up a little bit, they can. simply because its the first big movie ever made of this.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    also, jack colby,....

    by wcoop893

    the guy did say that prime will be more red than in that picture we saw, and that any other color changes have their reasons for the movie. i also really like how they are picking a bigger truck to get the physics right and everything so its a really realistic and big transformation.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Nope - that's a scene from a toy commercial. (

  • July 14, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    -= Live action Robotech =-

    by quadrupletree

    I bet it'll get made if TF is really successful. Of course the way this project is going that's doubtful at the moment.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Old truckers never die.

    by Turd Furgusen

    They just get a new Peter built. Yeehaw!!! Get it? I can handle the non G1 OP. I just want to see a cool as hell robot version of him. Cullens voice would be awesome, but you know they'll woo Clooney or another current star.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Doctor Doom

    by Immortal_Fish

    You know something, he looked *exactly* the same as he does in the comics. Identical. So all you folks saying that it doesn't matter what they have any of the other characters do or what the story is about -- just as long as they get Prime's look down and voiced by Cullen -- think really, really hard about how Doctor Doom looked exactly the same way he does in the comics.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Does Bay have autism? (No offense to autistics.) Because his lack of imagination seems like a rather stark symptom of a form of it. 'They will not go from being 4' tall to 20' tall because in reality robots can't do that.' =P I bet in Bay's movie they aren't even actually living robots, just malfunctioning machines, because the idea of a living inanimate object is too fake. =P ("Life not malfunction!" Optimus Prime is aliiiive!) Seriously though, I'm holding out hope that he's just jerkin our chains and is secretly planning on causing us to cream our shorts when Transformers is released. If so, if he IS just waiting until its release to appease us, he'll have the lowest opening weekend in the history of film and for all time. He's gonna need to turn this tidal wave of leaking shit around BEFORE release if he wants to save his ass. You only hold out like this if you're sitting on a gold mine, dude, not a flooding sewage line.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    FF vs. TF

    by Thenedain

    My feelings on FF not withstanding, it's a good example on why deviation from a successful character is silly. Yeah, the movie Doom looked very much like the comics, but his powers, background and everything else were twisted beyond recognition. It was so bad that even the filmmakers said, "When we do a sequel, we'll get Doom right." You make a good point, though, there is way more to it than looks and sound, and I think most fans will agree with that. Point in fact, Doom should have been the easiest comic book villain to get right: megalomaniac ruler of another country in power armor with a hatred of Reed. The fact that they messed it up just shows that even the simplest things can get destroyed in the wrong hands. Personally? I saw FF opening night based on how the characters looked, because I was happy with that. Too bad it didn't deliver like it should have. Sadly, I can't help but feel that the Corman version is better: at least they got Doom right.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    My problem with that blue and white Prime test

    by Phategod2

    My problem with that is it look like the toy with out the stockyness all the transformers had. I dont hate Bay but i know what he's capable of; or not capable of, and thats conveying deep storylines or emotion. My only fear if peter jackson did this movie is living through prime dieing again. someone asked if bay concieted to the "geeks" and made Optimus a Red and Blue frieghtliner voiced by cullen we would still find something to bitch about, well after reading that excerpt about spike trying to get some action and buying Bumble bee from a used car shop, then i probably do have some more concerns that need to be addressed. But i dont go looking for things to hate in movies like these. I did not do that with superman or spiderman and appearently I'm one of the few people who enjoyed Superman. My problem with this movie is the same one I had with X3 just wrong turn after wrong turn after wrong turn.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Scale my ASS!!!

    by Redrockmullet

    Has Bay ever even SEEN the cartoons? There is absolutely no WAY that ANY of the transformers were 40-50 feet tall. Even Optimus wouldn't be over 30 feet max!

  • July 14, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    it doesnt matter how big they were in cartoon

    by wcoop893

    this is hollywood, this is real live action, this is michael bay. obviously the transormers are going to be huge. and they better be. so fucking what if they are bigger than the ones in the cartoon. the physics and everything is going to be great, and very realistic. and big. just like all of the action we will get.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I'll Tell You One Thing

    by MarkoOhNo

    Sunstreaker would not be caught dead in one of those skeletal bodies. He'd beg Optimus to run him over first. Failing that, he'd put a laser-guided missile to his head. Transformers have metallic exoskeletons over metallic endoskeletons. That's how it always has been and that's how it always should be. Without that, they're just pretty, transforming Terminators. They aren't robots sent back in time from the year 2009, Bay, they're ALIENS who have been in possession of technology far more vast than our own for MILLIONS of years! Pull that diamond out of your ass and make Transformers the way it SHOULD be made. *grumbling* (I shouldn't have said "Terminator". Now he'll cast Arnie as Megatron. "Yoo may haav won thees taiim, Prime, but ahll bee bahk!")

  • July 14, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Top 2 Talkbacks

    by Phategod2


  • July 14, 2006, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Autobots Sure Have Purdy Mouths

    by MarkoOhNo

    How do you figure he'll deal with their faces? Think he'll give each Transformer a mask like Prime's? Maybe give them non-moving holes for mouths like C3PO? A mix of the two? Or will he manage to stretch his imagination enough to have some with lips and facial expressions? It's scary how many ways a director with weak talent could destroy the Transformers movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Good question

    by Phategod2

    Maybe they will have incoherent beeps and whistles. why oh why can they just be CGI?

  • July 14, 2006, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah yeah yeah.

    by Dokkalvar

    I'd be less likely to complain if Optimus was designed with at least spirit of Prime in mind, and using the original voice-man from the tv show - Hey, even Bay has the ABILITY to make a good decision. Anyway, enough of this. We all know Bay and crew are going to turn the Transformers into a macheesmo, sword-fighting contest (gay porn variety) but what about the script? The hacks who brought you Catwoman and The Island penned this thing, and I can only speculate how horrible their decisions were. So who has it, where is the script? Synapsis please.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:41 p.m. CST

    I want to see how it's going to work

    by RMcD3

    I loved that the transformers were never portrayed as machines or robots but as living entities with individual, fully formed, flawed personalities. Getting them to emote in the film is I expect going to be the single hardest effects challenge, and I'm really looking forward to seeing how they accomplish it. Also, provided the screenwriters have got the tone right (and provided they can come up with lines as good as those in the G1 series - 'cold enough to freeze the aeilerons off a titanium moosebot') I'll be happy. Next to those potential pitfalls, getting the vehicle modes right or wrong looks like a very minor concern..

  • July 14, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    couldnt get Human being to emote how do you think he'll do with robots

  • July 14, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    digital_animator is exactly right.

    by Atomica

    the spirit and essence of this cartoon is what needs to be captured. things will be different, as it's 20 years later and frankly we're a lot older now as well. I can't wait to see this movie. if it sucks then you can bitch then but until then everyone stop fucking bitching.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Optimus wont have a face mask

    by moondoggy2u

    except when fighting. Any time he's talking, according to Bay, the mask will be removed. So, lets put it allll into perspective. From the writers of Catwoman and The Island, the director of Badboys, Pearl Harbor, and The Island, comes a film that looks like The Fast and the Furious 4 with some robots thrown in on the side. Each robot looks like a car disguised as a robot, and the main character will be a psychobilly semi that uses TRANSFORMOVISION (tm) to change into Pimp My Prime. Yeeeahhh--thats the feel of the original show, all right.

  • July 14, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I can see the script, now.

    by moondoggy2u

    "Hey, Prime. Zup, my nigga. Welcome to earff."

  • July 14, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Were'd you hear about the face mask?

    by Phategod2

  • July 14, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Damn, moondoggy

    by Playhouse

    Now you owe Bay a ten-second bot for spoiling the whole movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I was done with this movie...

    by Frankenblogger

    ...the moment I heard that this movie was going to be "about a boy and his car". WTF is that? Transformers is about the Great War of the Cybertronians. They come to Earth because they've run out of natural resources, shit happens, they crash and remain dormant for 4 million years only to be reawakened by chance. Then they start fighting again. That's it. Anything else is a waste of everyone's time. I've already seen this movie. It was called Masters of the Universe. Oh well. Leave it to Hollywood to fuck this franchise up from the beginning. And Bay was absolutely the WRONG choice.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Optimus 5

    by Phategod2

    after crashing on earth Prime runs into a gang that tricks him in removing a car stereo and learns the following song "los locos kick your ass, los locos kick your face, los locos kick your bals into outer space" and Vin Desiel will do the entire voice work for the entire transformer cast.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST

    los locos...

    by Thenedain

    hehehe.... good one, Phategod2, good one... too damned funny. In a bit of fairness to Bay and the thing with Optimus' mask/faceplate, it's something that's been done alot with Prime over the years. They did it in tons of fights scenes with Optimus Primal in Beast Wars, and have done it in the comics. If he's incorporating things from other parts of the Transformers universe, this is one that has at least a bit of grounds to it. Granted, I'd rather see the faceplate more often then just lips/nose/mouth, but I'd call it a more minor quibble for me.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Anyone that's taking issue with this...

    by Frankenblogger

    ...needs to contact Dreamworks NOW. Seriously. Write a letter. Make a phone call. Whatever you need to do. Speaking your minds here is helpful, but not enough.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Latest News:

    by MarkoOhNo

    Bay now intends to change Optimus's name to Porkchop Express and have him voiced over by Kurt Russell. I'd pay to see that. LOL

  • July 14, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    You don't tug on Superman's cape...

    by MarkoOhNo don't spit into the wind... you don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger and you don't remove Optimus's faceplate!! (I know that doesn't fit the song but it made my point. lol)

  • July 14, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST

    if were sticking to G1

    by Phategod2

    they lost the whole mouth when he went from Orion Pax To Optimus. I mean I dont know if wheel jack is going to be in this but he did not have a mouth either. I'm just suprised that there no news that tweeky and kitt arent making suprised cameo appearenced.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Porkchop Prime

    by Thenedain

    " And when you're rolling down the highway on a cold and lonely night, laser marks on your fenders and Decepticon oil on your grill, you can do what good 'ol Optimus does and just say... fuck it. "

  • July 14, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Still gonna see it. But Thenedian I don't know where I

    by modlight

    stand on this... Not on your picket line yet, but it really really should be a flat nose.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks, frankenblogger,

    by moondoggy2u

    But we like sitting in the box seats we have now and are content to enjoy this wreck from afar. Kinda like setting up lawn chairs and joking about fireworks while THE BOMB drops all over us. Deffinitely feeling a Dr. Strangelove vibe right about now. Want a beer, phategod?

  • July 14, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    transformers is my childhood

    by handsomejoe

    Okay, I used to nut understand when the geeks would speak out on comic book movies or the like. Until studios started making movies out of the shows and superheroes that shaped my childhood. Voltron, G.I. Joe, He-Man, Thundercats and Transformers. These were the shows I watched everyday before school. These are the toys I played with everyday after school. When I was playing with my best friend in the backyard these were the characters that we pretended to be and as unimportant as they may be to others when I hear of them, see them or read about them I feel like a child again and it makes me smile. Until I hear that some freaking movie studio has bought the rights to the movie and for some reason think that means they have the right to change whatever the hell they want. The first few changes I read about pissed me off but I thought as long as they get the story right and don't screw up Optimus Prime I'll be ok. They pushed it by making Megatron an alien jet (WTF!!!!) Then I saw the trailer and they're discovered on Mars? They came from Cybertron!!!!!!! They crash landed on Earth!!!!! And four million years later they woke up, they modified themselves to be able to transform so that they could blend in with the world. That's the freaking story people. And now I find out they changed Optimus Prime. I don't give a damn what their excuse is you don't change Optimus Prime. I didn't even see the photo and I hope I never do. It was a CARTOON!!!!! It doesn't need to be believable. From the second I heard that Spielberg and Bay were the ones making this picture I shuddered. Not because I don't like them, I do. They make great movies but they weren't children of the 80's. They didn't grow up watching the show so they don't have the credentials to be making it. Why is Sam Raimi a great choice to make the Spiderman movies? Because he grew up reading the comics. I believe this puts the final nail in the coffin for me on this film. I will not watch a piece of my childhood be destroyed just so some people that don't care can make some money off of it.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    You Wanna Summer Blockbuster Next Year?

    by MarkoOhNo

    Sharkticons on an Aerialbot! 'Nuff said.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I think the offical lawn chair group for this

    by moondoggy2u

    is thenedain, phategod, yackbacker, and myself. I think MDG is getting to join our little corner of the class as well.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST

    "Oh yeah, we reversed polarities "

    by Thenedain

    Moddy, I can't agree more. It really, really, really absolutely should be a flat nose. Seeing which way the Transformers winds are blowing, though, at this point I'm just happy Prime's a truck. The long nose is really going to depend so much on the transformation sequence to robot form, I think. I watched the old toy commercial Hasbro did in the mid 90s that had a CGI Prime in it. He was long nose there, and looked ok... the nose part ended up low on the form, so his torso was the classic Prime torso. Nothing right now is saying that the nose is going to stay on his stomach giving him a robot beer gut. Knowing that, I'm kind of hesitantly accepting the long nose... now if only we'll see it red and blue I'll be a bit more happy.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    We're kind of like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppet Show at this point...

  • July 14, 2006, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Awww, shit...

    by Playhouse

    I knew I shouldn't have gone back to the other TB. Now I've got poopy in my eyes from that god-awful RT thread. I remember having a choice for my birthday back in '86 to go to Great America or go see TF: The Movie in the theater and being pissed that I couldn't do both. At the same time, it was that fucking hard for me to choose. As you can image, I chose me some Autobots over an amusement park that was going to be there another day for me to visit. It meant that much to me to see that flick and that love has stuck with me to this day. So you can imagine my heart getting all sorts of fucking giddy to have one of my favorite properties, a huge part of my youth, smeared all over some Fast and Furious balling in the backseat of some hoopty-ride at a so-bleeding edge current (read: 2001) underground street race. Oh yeah. I feel like a fucking kid again. Nothing says childhood glee like tail in a fucking bot. Thanks, Bay, Kurtzman, Orci and Rogers, for making sure to capture the various essence of Transformers.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Handsomejoe

    by Thenedain

    We'll get a lawn chair for you.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Nice Croce reference.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Waldorf!!!! Michael Bay did one great Transformation!

    by modlight

    What's That?! - He transformed a lucrative franchise into a pile of crap! HAW HAW HAW HAW... that is for you guys. its a sign that I've moved my chair closer to the fence, although I'm not on it yet. And I still love Mr. Bay, but am begining to think that him handling a preexisting franchise might possibly POSSIBLY be a bad idea.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Ahh... '86...

    by Thenedain

    The year Megatron ( you bastard! ) scarred a generation of young boys by making them watch their hero die. I think once every decade they should do that in a popular cartoon, make every generation of kids understand that pain. Ash from Pokemon? Dead. That dude from Inuyasha? Dead. To be honest, that's what Transformers the Movie so awesome: it wasn't afraid to start offing characters. They were pretty smart on that one, realizing that the kids who grew up with Transformers were getting old enough to deal with their robot heros dying in such brutal ways. It's almost like that film was a rite of passage for the kids who saw it back then.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Huh, what's that Statler?

    by Thenedain

    It's over? Was it good? Statler: Don't know, I slept through it.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Bay Speech Leaked

    by MarkoOhNo

    I just found a copy of a speech Michael Bay intends to make at Comics Con '06! "Before I answer any questions there's something I wanted to say. Having received all your posts over the last few weeks, and I've spoken to some of you, and some of you have traveled hundreds of miles to be here, I'd just like to say... GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, Transformers was just a TV show! I mean look at you! Just look at the way you're dressed even! You've turned an enjoyable little cartoon, that I'm making into a movie as a lark for a few months, into a COLOSSAL WASTE OF TIME! I mean, how old are you people? What have you done with yourselves? Have any of you ever even kissed a girl? I don't think so! There's a whole world out there! When I was a kid, I didn't watch television! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a TV show dammit, IT'S JUST A TV SHOW!"

  • July 14, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST

    The problem with the flames..

    by quadrupletree

    Ok not the only problem but... When he's in his robot form he'll have flames shooting up his "crotch"!!

  • July 14, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    How could you sleep through it?! Its a Michael Bay film

    by modlight

    It was so loud. - STATLER: I'm old and stone deaf!! HAW HAW HAW!!!! And distracted from the thoughts of all my loved ones passing away!!!!! HAAAAAWWWW!! AND WE'RE BOTH NAILED TO THE SEATS AT CALIFORNIA ADVENTURE AND CAN'T GET TO THE ARCLIGHT ANYWAYS!!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    And Thenedain...

    by Playhouse go down gunnin'. Prime showed us all what a true hero was, what true sacrifice was. Also, in a sense, what it was like to be a man of honor and valor. That was a pretty powerful message for kids at that age.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Bay's ComicCon speech.

    by Thenedain

    I'd love to be there when he gives that one, MarkoOhNo, I doubt you'd see someone killed by nerds and geeks faster. They'd beat him to death with hardcover graphic novels and resin statues. It'd be awesome.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    I hope hope hope Bay's at comic con so I can

    by modlight

    give him a big hug and thank him for all his great work.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:48 p.m. CST

    MST3K ain't got nothin' on us

    by Thenedain

    I used to think those guys were brutal and heartless... then I came to AICN. Now I know they were second rate pussies compared to us.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:48 p.m. CST

    The Bay ComiCon Love Fest

    by Playhouse

    I've got a ticket for that line with ya, modlight.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST

    MST3K was tounge in cheek...

    by modlight

    Our tounge leapt down our throat searching for our hearts.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST

    wcoop893, "just like all of the action we will get."

    by Immortal_Fish

    What, like Spike? It appears he'll be the one getting all the action in this flick.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    You'll have to hug him...

    by Thenedain

    he'll be sitting in a corner in a fetal position crying about why the geeks want him dead. "Whhhyyy won't they like me?! I gave them their movie! BWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" I bet he read this and the other talk backs and had to see a shrink to help him with the self esteem issues he got afterwards.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    To everyone telling us Fanboys to shut up

    by Mace13

    and quit complaining about what we've seen so far.Get the f**k out of this talkback!!! What the hell do you think a talkback is for you morons. People are here to express their opinions whether you agree with them or not. And the reason were bitching is because to me there has not been one single thing i've seen or heard out of this movie that hasn't made me freaking cringe. Bay is totally screwing this up. From the forms he's picked for Prime and Megatron(Alien Jet) to all of the other stupid changes such as the matrix being called "The energon Cube" now instead and everything in between. Everything from this movie so far has been changed from the source material so badly that I refuse to go to the theatre and give Bay my money to see it. F**k him. Like a couple other guys were saying above i'll be pirating the hell out of this thing for free to keep people from paying Bay to see it. I will and already have been telling me fiends not to see it and will continue to do so. I wanted to have a great or at least decent TF movie but not now. I hope this thing bombs and ends Bay's career once and for all. And maybe in 10 or 20 years we'll get another go at it. Riiiight. This movie is getting negative word of mouth already due from Bay shitting all over the source material and they've only been filming a few weeks now. Just look at all of the hate for this movie on the internet. That should tell Bay and Murphy or whomever else that they've made some very bad choices. If they can't see that then they truly are the idiots that they've made themselves out to be. If this movie even respected the G1 source material in at least a 50% capacity then I would live with it ok. But it's not even doing that. And to Child Roland (who seems to have been run off by the other and some of you other guys who keep insisting that Bay is not targeting this movie at us fans but at the kiddies instead, how much sense does that make? F**k him for doing that. I know you're right but This movie is gonna have at least a PG-13 rating i'd imagine. I'd guess that's a little over the targeted kiddies (ages 5 to 12) heads wouldn't you say? Cause that's gonna probably be the age group who would be interested in the toys and other merchandising for this thing.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Transformers: The Movie

    by MarkoOhNo

    Y'know... there was really no precedent to Megatron's killing of OP. I mean it's akin to a Looney Tunes movie in which Sylvester finally eats Tweetie, spits the bones into a garbage can, belches and says, "Tttthat wath the motht thatithfying meal I've ever had!" (Roll ending credits -- next cartoon, Wile E. Coyote finally captures Road Runner, cuts off his legs so he can't get away and eats him wings first! Something tells me I just gave Tarantino an idea for his next film.)

  • July 14, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Cartoon brutality

    by Thenedain

    The only cartoon I can even think of that can even come close to having set a precedent before TF: The Movie might be Watership Down, but that's stretching it. Watership Down didn't have 2 seasons of successful Saturday morning cartoons and a toy line behind it. It's only one of two other movies besides TF that I can think of from my childhood that had such severely, umm..., distubring imagery, the other one being The Black Cauldron. The final sequence in that movie gave a friend of mine nightmares for a week.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    The reason why the script sucks

    by Immortal_Fish

    Replace Autobots with Predators and the Decepticons with Alien bugs. Not much is different from the AVP2 script. I truly, truly hope the TF script is a red herring. Too bad Quint's set report corroborates a chunk of it.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    From one Fanboy to others....

    by chiahead

    STFU. I'm kidding. Personally, I prefer the flat nose too, but hey here's a thought- does anyone remember G2? The high-price-point Laser Optimus Prime from G2 (which would later serve as the mold for the TF2000/RID Scourge is also a long nose. AND has flames... ... I'm sure we all forgot about G2 because by then, (if i'm the target age group) we were a little older and had other stuff to obsess about. But I found that toy in a Kay Bee discount bin and for nostalgia's sake, bought it- and man did I love that toy. Great articulation, spring loaded shooters, a SWORD. I kind of pride myself on being a TF purist insomuch as every subsequent incarnation of the franchise has (IMHO) slowly but surely sodomized the orginal... mucking up the continuity, whittling away archetype to stereotype... but I look back now and think maybe this film might do right by me if it only adheres to the spirit of the series which, honestly, was still prevelant in all of its incarnations, bastardization or no. anyhow, there's a pic of the rig I'm talking about here:

  • July 14, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST

    At This Point...

    by Playhouse

    A close-as-can-possibly-be Prime bot mode and either Cullen or a faithful replica of his voice can sell me on this movie. But that's not likely to happen.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Seriously, don't bring up G2. Entirely not the right crowd for that.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST

    The Spidey talkback and TF

    by Thenedain

    On the Spidey talkback I mentioned something about Sam Raimi which I think can be used with TF as well. Raimi understands the purpose of teaser material: you aim it at the fans, and let them do part of the marketing work for you. Raimi went out of his way to show us the black costume: why? Because he realizes that fans will buzz about it, and that buzz will be heard by non fans. He also realizes that even though much of the standard movie going audience may not know the black costume's signifigance, you can bet he realizes that 9/10 of the audience will know SOMEONE who is at least partially familiar with the mythos of Spidey and will fill them in, thereby creating more hype. I've had people at work ask me about the black Spiderman costume, as I wear my Spidey fandom on my arm openly. All had seen the last two films, wanted to know what was up with the costume: when they heard the background of it, they were excited to see what Raimi would do with it. That's the power of the fans, and something that Bay doesn't appear to grasp. No, the fans won't bring in the box office alone, but you can bet they'll influence it.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah, G2's dangerous territory here...

    by Thenedain

    You should see what we did to the last guy who mentioned that. Moondoggy was vicious...

  • July 14, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    will you get my back? i'm not trying to poo poo on anyone who thinks this movie is going to end up a partial birth abortion... i am pretty confident it will too. i just think we should call a spade a spade. and if we're going to get upset when Bay diverges from the source material, we should keep in mind that the source material he's using encompasses decades of styles and continuities- Bumble Bee not being a Beetle- that got me a little upset. But this... I don't know that I LIKE it per se, but I don't know that it's straying from source material either. but yeah okay... for anyone who was offended that I brought up G2, my sincerest apologies.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:09 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    I wasn't saying it to be a dick. I was saying it for your own safety. G2 is pretty verboten around these parts right now.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Thenedain, as per the fan thing...

    by modlight

    I don't know how much sway the nerds actually have. FF and X3 did way better than they should've for all the negative nerd press they got, but say, Serenity or Supes. Eh, need I say more? I'm not saying its one way or the other, but I am only saying that we are just preaching to the choir and may not be as powerful as Entertainment Weekly would like us to believe.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Can you say Bittorrent? Micheal Bay

    by Phategod2

    I know i can and Ill see this shite when I pirate the hell out of it for free.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Modlight, yeah it's a tough one to call...

    by Thenedain

    I think with a fan franchise it really depends on multiple issues. I do believe the fans do effect it: Supes received just as much critcism as praise in the lead up to it. I know that in our personal social circles, be it work, friends or whatever, our voices tend to be heard a bit more. I think every one of us has had a movie or show that we've steered people away from based on our opinions of it. Franchise recognizability affects it too: X3 was coming off two successful sequels that were widely embraced by the movie going audience. Final Fantasy, I think, was more fluke than anything else: it was released at a good time with little genre competition. Serenity caught a buzz but certainly wasn't nearly as recognizable as, say, X3 or Supes. Superman Returns is a mixed bag, and one of those films that you either love or hate. Most of my circle of friends loved it, and have seen it multiple times. We know people who found it boring and didn't like it. PotC had a tremendous success based largely off hype generated by fans of the first ones telling everyone who missed it in theaters to go see the second one. Both Spidermans had huge openings due in part to name recognition, but the hype machine for the first one started early, and it started with the fans. The machine only grew power from there. Like I said though, it's a hard call. Heck, it's pretty well known that movie critics have little sway over a movie's box office. Without some hard research I doubt anyone will be able to provide a definite answer on how much fans really sway the general audience. I'd like to think that they at least have some influence. Or in other words... "You've got the Touch! You've got the powerrrrrrrr!"

  • July 14, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    I wasnt vicious

    by moondoggy2u

    I only ripped roland a new one cause of his ham handed comparisons, generalized statements, whipping out a straw man, and outright prejudice. By the way, WALDORF, Transformer fans and typhoon victims now have something in common: they've both learned its dangerous to be near the BAY!! HAW HAWW HAWWW HAWWWW!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    The Precedent for killing prime was something he always want to accomplish the decepticons had control over cybertron and Prime was the biggest thorn in his side. I was devestated by his death but i ealt with it Im just sorry They didnt have the stones to Kill Duke in that GI joe movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    GI Joe Movie

    by Thenedain

    Long standing rumor has it that Duke was originally supposed to die, but the nixed the idea because they felt it might be too close to Transformers. Not sure of the veracity of that one, but it seems like a possibility.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Yack, I can't get over the fact that the

    by superninja

    story involves Spike trying to get laid so he needs a car. Bay is SO CRASS!!!!

  • July 14, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    I totally didn't take it that way- I really was hoping you'd get my back. And I was serious if I offended anyone by bringing up that other generation. here's me, not rocking the boat... uncharacteristic of me yes, but TF deserves the reverance. :)

  • July 14, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    The Problem with Physics...

    by dopepope

    ...and making these robots realistic is that the filmakers tend to get a bit too literal, too realistic. I liken this film to Godzilla '98 a lot because there's the prime example of taking an iconic figure and stripping it of all it's iconic essence. Making Godzilla a cowardly, non fire beam blasting, fish eating, hunched over giant Iguana adhered to laws of physics, and was way more 'believable' so to speak, but it by any means was NOT Godzilla. This didn't just disgust fans, but everyone! Because the iconic perseption of Godzilla is a mountanous, unstopible force. He stands tall and firm, a juggernaut. He's not to be understood. He defies explanations. Breaks all rules. The Transformers tie in here is that they are doing the same thing with these icons. The definitive aspects of what made these robot characters bad ass, and this goes for any generation or title you prefer of the series, was how comfortable in their 'skins' they were. Their transformations were super fast, like a reflex. These things are ALIVE, have souls! The don't hit a button and transform according to some outside mechanism like earthly hydrolics and such, slow and clunky. When they transform, it's like a gymnast executing their best manuvers in one flawless succession. It's fast, graceful, effortless. And it doesn't stop with what it looks like, what it sounds like was always what I found so damned cool about them and their transformations. That quick sound bursts that accompanied the animations. DAMN if you didn't want to jump backward into the air and contort yourself into one of them when you heard that! If they start replacing that sound effect with metal hitting metal, and the sound of shit slamming together, it's all going back to a souless piece of metal. If there is concern for these character to come across human enough for moviegoers to emote with them, then they best take heed in what I'm trying to convey here. This is why people love the cartoon! This is what is needed to make fans, and non-fans, LOVE this movie. No one is going to be amazed by the fact Optimus transformed 'realistically', because realistically means a good 25 second, clunky, slow ass, Asimo robot looking transformation, that, HOORAY, adheres to the laws of physics. It also is going to bore the shit out of everyone. That transformation test clip of OP doing his thing demonstrates a souless, lifeless, earth made thing, sloppily shifting it's weight and looking clunky and dumb. It's NOT a being from another world. It's not a TRANSFORMER! The REAL challenge isn't making these robots look real by making sure they a true to our laws, it's making them be as CLOSE to their ICONIC NATURE as possible without getting cheesy and campy. The lost the ball with Godzilla. I hope they don't with the TRANSFORMERS!

  • July 14, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    that was so well said! I applaud you your cogency! *bows*

  • July 14, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Bay and Hollywood generally speaking

    by superninja

    need to get over themselves. They are not more creative than the people that put together the original product that made it so successful in the first place. It was not, and will never be, YOUR idea. At best, you can only improve an already great character. And the best way to do that is with respect for the source material.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    HAha we do have the touch...

    by modlight

    That much is true. And my FF was Fantastic Four, but Final Fantasy works too. But that brings up an interesting point in staying true to the franchise. The first Final Fantasy movie, wasn't that bad, but really had nothing to do with the games and bombed. The Advent Children one is note for note faithful and as cool as it looks, it is incomprehensible. Sumpfin to chew on. But yeah Bay will probably fuck this up. You assholes on here have me worried about the story now. Thanks. Thanks a lot. I was ready to go watch Mr. Bay blow up robots, but now... oooh, its going to be about a boy and his car. Grrrrrr. Why I come on these things I'll never know. I hope that the lack of big stars in this means that humans will be in the background.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Yup. Great post, Dopedope.

    by superninja

    Realism is just an excuse for pedantry. (Well, we were going for REALISM). We all live realism every day. What we want are fantasy characters in a world that follows it's own logic consistently (whatever that may be).

  • July 14, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Damn, dopepope....

    by Thenedain

    You're the man. That's perfectly said, and likening it to Godzilla is perfect. I've used that reference myself and it very much fits. No one saw the Giant Iguana as Godzilla. NO ONE. In fact, I remember when Godzilla: 2000/Millenium was released locally in theaters and the huge cheer that went up for the big green guy. Giant Iguana never got a cheer. A whimper maybe, but certainly not a cheer. It's a good example of taking the Iconic and turning it Pedestrian. It should be noted too that there hasn't been a sequel to the American Godzilla, but since then there's been 6 Godzilla films in Japan. That's the power of a cultural icon.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Superninja... Isn't that how Raimi had Spidey

    by modlight

    become spidey? I'm just sayin. That wrasslin match was to get money for a car so he could see MJ's meat curtains. And I don't think that Raimi is Crass and I bet you don't either. So give Mr. Bay a break.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Your chair's waiting for ya, Modlight...

    by Thenedain

    even got a comfy one saved... ;)

  • July 14, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    The Transformers...

    by MarkoOhNo

    ...don't arrive from Cybertron, in Bay's film. They evolved from toasters irradiated by the atomic blast in Nagasaki, becoming giant robots. While Spike gets laid, Tyrese ponders the societal question of "how could we have been so stupid?! The A-bomb should NEVER have been invented!" Megatron swallows an energon cube, becomes pregnant, and plants easter eggs in everybody's copies of Windows, which hatch into more Decepticons, leading in to the sequel.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Godzilla, whats with those horrid Doritos

    by modlight

    commercials? Did they hire someone to make those back when the movie came out and they just dusted the tapes off at the Doritos plant and said "Hey I've been looking for these for Years!!! RUN 'EM!" "But sir its horribly out of date and, well, everyone hated that movie!" "I paid good money for that now shut up and put that tape in master control, now if only I could find my Heaven's Gate 'ranch flavor' ad."

  • July 14, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    and for the record, playhouse...

    by chiahead

    if moondoggy2U ever DID rip me a new one, I'm pretty sure I'd have deserved it. I didn't find his/her post from before unfortunately, but I did greatly enjoy the other ones of his that I did find.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Thendain, cool!

    by superninja

    Both our childhoods were warped by the same animated films! My parents REALLY regretted taking me to The Black Cauldron.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Thenedain, is it a low to the ground beach chair?

    by modlight

    cause those are my fave's. They're comfy and the ground serves as both a footrest and sidetable.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    No biggie. It looks like they are going for the G2 look in the movie, but I gotta say that Optimus Prime - to me - will always be his G1 incarnation. Nothing against ya, but I'm gonna have to get your back on another issue, brother. I will agree with you about getting the spirit of the series right. But some things are just too iconic. And Optimus Prime - G1 Prime - is one of those things. All they had to do was use the Masterpiece Edition as a model and they easily could've adapted him to film. The kind of funny thing to me is that Prime's transformation is actually one of the more easy and simple ones of a Transformer. You could easily how the bot goes into truck form and how the vehicle can become the bot.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Perfect point, Superninja

    by Thenedain

    No one goes to a movie to see realism. No one. They go for an escape from the tedious boredom of the reality of their own lives. Look at some of the biggest grossing films of all time, how many of them have been realistic? One? Two? Maybe? Even non-sci fi films are the same way. Shrek was huge hit because people could go and see a cartoon aimed at adults while keeping children interested and allowing the adults to immerse themselves in fantastic situations. I dare someone to find a summer blockbuster movie that was absolutely steeped in realism. It'll be hard... you'll have to wade through mounds of unrealistic movies that made plenty of bank first.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Of course Bay is crass, have you ever seen

    by superninja

    one of his films? As for Raimi's Spidey script, Parker was not trying to get laid. He wanted to take her on a date because he liked her for more than her boobies. Don't you know anything about Spider-Man?

  • July 14, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    If you really Want to Complain.........

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    then write the people who intially allow of this fiasco to happen. Call or Write to Hasbro. Hasbro

  • July 14, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST


    by dopepope

    That was the exact oposite og Godzilla, and to hear the roar come out of that was appauling. I wanted to love that movie with all my heart. And to this day I still swear that that creature design by Patrick Tatopoulos is BEAUTIFUL! It's just not Godzilla. Tat is the man tho, I love his creatures in Pitch Black as well. Why Toho approved that mess I'll never know. It's also like Kevin Smith Superman, with "NO SUIT, NO FLYING, and GIANT SPIDERS." They think the name is going to sell their movie and people will feast on the bullshit they shovel towards us. It's really sickening. If we'd gotten a Godzilla made with the love and care and admiration PJ had for KONG, just imagine! I'm not one to bash before I see the movie... but I've been burned too many times. Bay has a chance to be the hero here. I hope for our sakes he does. I just hope Godzilla gets another day to shine too!

  • July 14, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Good point, which is why I'm trying not to let myself get too worked up over the whole Spike buying Bumblebee to get laid shtick. It's still a good laugh, though. Context MUST be considered in all things, especially when you're barely even getting snippets of information a full YEAR before a film release. For instance, with the skeletal structures we're seeing, perhaps the transformers in robot form pictured hadn't yet completed being reformatted to Earth tech, leaving their endoskeletons exposed. *shrugs* (Is it Megatron or C3PO who says: "My parts are showing?! Oh my!" lol)

  • July 14, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    SuperNinja glad to see you back

    by Phategod2

  • July 14, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Another reason the script sucks

    by superninja

    is that it's a quest movie. This reeks of the He-Man live action film, actually. That movie was a collosal waste, once again, for deviating from the source material. I still want my awesomely campy fantasy He-Man film.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    The Reference, chiahead

    by Playhouse

    Check out the other TF TB if you want to know what Thenedain was referring to with moondoggy. That was a hoot of a battle over there.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Superninja's Black Cauldron

    by Thenedain

    I'd read all the books so I was pretty well prepared for Black Cauldron, but man that imagery is intense. The whole sequence with Gurgi (sp?) sacrificing himself was really intense to see as a kid. And that's not even getting into the hordes of shambling undead that were pretty damned horrific looking. Don Bluth really went balls out in that one, and it shows. My one regret was that it wasn't more of a success: I'd always wanted to see the last book made into at least a cartoon.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hiya Phate.

    by superninja

    Looks like it's been busy around here. Sorry I missed yesterday, sounds like a big day! Hahah.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Moddy, it'll be a low chair just for you...

    by Thenedain

    even get you one with a cup holder.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I believe it was the shambling undead that

    by superninja

    did it for me. Yup. Nightmares for days.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Good Point, SamBlackChvrch21

    by Playhouse

    Hasbro does have a hand in this. Something tells me they're kind of being muscles around by ol' Hollywood, though.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Superninja, for a minute I thought you were

    by modlight

    being negative, now I just realize that you're a ninja, from JAPAN!! So you would pronounce Class as crass. You are saying that Michael Bay is CLASS!!! A class act all the way. I agree with you.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST

    by modlight

  • July 14, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Sorry Chiahead

    by Thenedain

    Yeah, I wasn't directing anything at you, just referencing the like 24 hour long battle we had with Roland over in the other Talkback. That one got pretty brutal no matter what Moondoggy tries saying now. Yackbacker started as the voice of reason, moved to perturbed, then to frothing anger in his posts. It was a riot. In a car crash kinda way, guess.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    That's Class-ic! Only class acts like Bay, Kurtzman, Orci and Rogers would make a Transformers film about getting booty.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    What bothers me is that a Transformer would

    by modlight

    let themselves be bought for any reason sexual or not. "I want that car, its hot!" robot voice "Piss off I'm not your slave."

  • July 14, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    No, Michael Bay still mentally lives in the 80s

    by superninja

    I have it on good authority that his brain is actually located in a temporal rift around the year 1984. His body is merely a robotic construct - with great hair! I liked the Island, btw. Which was the ONLY reason I supported him on TF to begin with.

  • July 14, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Modlight, no!!

    by MarkoOhNo

    That was in bad taste! Heaven's Gate would NEVER have done a Doritoes ad!! They only did SunnyD, Nike and a magazine ad for Absolut! (Ranch-flavor Doritoes... sheesh! Some people.... lol)

  • July 14, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    America's Godzilla LOOKED great...

    by Thenedain

    I agree, the look of it was pretty cool. I really loved the fact that they yanked Shere Khan's chin from Talespin for it. It looked great, moved great and sounded pretty cool. Now, if it hadn't been named Godzilla it'd have been a winner with me. And hadn't laid eggs in Madison Square Garden... that was just silly...

  • July 14, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    wouldn't him being in the 80's be a good thing?

    by modlight

    The era of the best action films ever, and Transformers. Seriously I hope that he continues with his slightly tamer style that he had in the Island for this. That and that movie had a plot.

  • July 14, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    Apparently there is this whole backstory

    by superninja

    that the TF were created to be slaves by the Quintessons (an alien race). The Decepticons were war machines, and the Autobots domestic servants, hard labor and the like. Another of the themes that Bay will likely completely ignore is that the Decepticons are totalitarians and the Autobots are the revolutionaries.

  • July 14, 2006, 8 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    you make a very good point about prime's G1 incarnation being iconic. I don't think I really considered it from that perspective- even when all other incarnations are derivative of it... and yes, re: Masterpiece Convoy- what a great fuckin toy that is man. I fucking LOVE that shit. Anyway, I tried looking back at the other TB- could not find it. maybe I'm lookin at the wrong one. either way, i'll stfu about G2 - LOL.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:02 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    Damn. I can't believe I missed it. Okay, going back now and freaking read every post if I have to.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Transformers for sale

    by Thenedain

    Have you seen this? Kind of funny you should mention that...

  • July 14, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST

    It's All Good, chiahead...

    by Playhouse

    ...all the time, even when it's not.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Modlight, that only works if you are not trying

    by superninja

    to be cool by today's standards, but only by 80s standards. I think it would've been spectactular to have Transformers set in the 80s. It would've been visually interesting and a riot. They should reference the era in which they were created, but with a sense of timelessness. Superman does this successfully.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    oh Careful Ninja, you're gettin into that politics zone

    by modlight

    we saw how well that went over on the last TB. But, thanks for the backstory thing, didn't know that and it explains a lot.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    now that I got that out

    by handsomejoe

    a year from now when the full trailers come out (and they really do need to show at least bumblebee in the trailer) If it looks sort of cool I'll probably change my mind and see it. That's what most of us do. We have our irrational moment (see above comment) then we calm down and realize that yes indeed we are going to go see it so that we can get back on here and make some more fun of it. SamBlackchvrch21 made a good point. Maybe the War has been idle for the last 20 years because the Autobots ran the Decepticons off. So the remaining transformers just stayed in their disguised forms. Then the Decepticons come back and all hell breaks loose. Although if VW wouldn't give the go-ahead couldn't they just take a Bug and pull the VW emblam off the hood? I know that sounds simplistic but I'm sure I've seen many movies where someone was driving a Ford and the Ford emblam was removed from the truck (I believe Wolverine drives one in the first X-men). And if they can't get the right car then just use another character that you can get the car for. The only one they really have to get right is Prime. And while the excuse is weak I guess the long nose isn't horrible but they do need the original voice or else it's just not Optimus Prime.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST

    As excited as I am I doubt this movie will be timeless

    by modlight

    ARGGEHHH there I go... Thene' where's my beer.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Welcome to the Dark Side, Moddy

    by Thenedain

  • July 14, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Some of you guys forget....

    by Doc_Strange

    That in the end of Season 3, they realized Optimus Prime had too much of a following and that Rodimus just wasn't going to cut it, so they brought Prime back. That had to be the most satisfying episodes of Transformers that I'd ever seen.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    You know what I mean though, right?

    by superninja

    In the way that Blade Runner is retro, but timeless. Or Superman the same.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Transformers - the entire series - was based on a quest to recover enough energy to revive Cybertron and return home to defeat the enemy. (Kinda Ancient Greek in origin, when you think about it....) This is why the Autobots left and why the Decepticons followed them. Nearly every movie in existance is in some way a quest. And if it isn't, it's usually aimless and boring. Given this, are there any movies you've ever liked? What I don't like that they're supposedly making energon cubes so rare that all Transformers make tracks for Earth when they find out there's one in existance there. C'mon! They pop outta Soundwave's chest like candy from a Pez dispenser! No fan is gonna buy this "we must recover the one energon cube in existance" crap. Quest = necessary. Poorly contrived quest = shit.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Now I want a 1998 Optima cargo rig....

  • July 14, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Yes, Doc, I remember that quite well.

    by superninja

    And then they killed him again. He was Zombie Prime. Kind of like Jean Grey in X-3.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST


    by modlight

  • July 14, 2006, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Ari Gold, Playhouse and Thenedain

    by chiahead

    Alright bitches, let's hug it out.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    by modlight

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST


    by kdoc13

    I loved the original Transformers. None of the other shows ever lived up to it. Now, Bay is going to change all kinds of things, like Megatron being a tank, Optimus Prime having flames (It may be for story purposed, but it was Rotimus that had the flames.) Bumble Bee as a Camaro? (And not even a bitchin' Camaro - For the Dead Milkmen Fans out there). I was worried about this when Shia LeBouf was brought on, and there is nothing that is changing that sinking feeling about this. And the fact that I know very little about the story they are using, or how many of the original voices they are using isn't helping either. I have seen Bay movies in the past, and I have to say that I have never been all that impressed. I am waiting for this movie to have Optimus or Megatron roll over a Go-Bots toy as a little inside joke. For the record, it wouldn't be funny. The thing is, even if they show me the robot version of Optimus Prime, it's not going to change the fact that Bay can't tell a story to save his life. How many freaking endings did Bad Boys 2 have? That should have been 60 minutes tops, nope, we now have to go to Cuba. What a joke! Yeah, just like that crapfest that was Superman Returns (Which is Daredevil with less action, plot, and charisma), I will go see this, but I probably won't see it the multiple times I see something like Spiderman 2.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Forget it? Hell no, I own it!

    by Thenedain

    They aired those two episodes after school when I was kid, and they were among my favorites. I pretty much bought the Season 3 dvd set just for those two! Prime, the one character so cool they had to bring him back.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I am not talking about the hero's journey

    by superninja

    but a quest based on a magical totem/object. That's what this film is. For instance, Luke's quest was a hero's journey, not an object quest. That's all I'm saying. For instance, in the live-action He-Man, they were after some stupid magic key or something. As for movies I love, the last two Harry Potter films were great. I love X-2 and X-3, Blade Runner, the real Star Wars, etc. So obviously I like hero's journey formulas!

  • July 14, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Prime's Resurrection

    by Playhouse

    I always found those episodes kind of creepy.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Also, the issue is once they find the

    by superninja

    magical object, which is the Matrix (but called the Energon Cube here because Bay is an idiot) it completely shifts the focus of any future films because the quest is finished. What was great about the original series is that they were stranded, so they were desperate to get back to Cybertron and Autobots had to prevent the Decepticons from plundering Earth's energy supply and protect the humans (who were not appreciative) at the same time.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    stupid fingers.... anyways, I agree with you Superninja

    by modlight

    I think this will be a strong product of the time. Even the new 'concept'cars they are using, I think are cool and will make good TFs, but they will really date this movie in a way that say an old Beetle wouldn't.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Missing Parts

    by kdoc13

    By the way. It has been years since I have pulled it out of my closet, but I don't seem to remember the toy version of the original Optimus having any disappearing parts. Everything folded up just nice, and that was a flat nose.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:17 p.m. CST

    I saw Spiderman 2 all that summer...

    by Thenedain

    no joke. My girlfriend and I went to the drive in nearly every weekend and for some reason, we'd always end up watching Spiderman 2. I think I saw that freakin' movie over a dozen times during it's run. I loved every bit of it, but you know you've seen a movie too often that by the 10th time you've seen it, you're almost quoting it line for line. Yeesh. If only there were other good movies playing I guess...

  • July 14, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Optimus Parts

    by Playhouse

    The hands. I know a lot of people that lost his hands. I like the way they incorporated the hands in the Masterpiece Edition.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Scene from Bay's TF

    by superninja

    Ext. Oil Refinery - Continuous Optimus Prime's first meeting with Spike Witwicky and his dad after their rescue from the Decepticons. Prime towers over the two humans who are in awe. OP: "We are from a far away place called Cybertron. We are the only thing standing between you and the Decepticons." SW: "But we know more about Earth than you do." OP: "Hmmm. Maybe you CAN help." Cut to: Int. Scores - Night Prime is getting a lap dance.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Missing parts and the Masterpiece Prime

    by Thenedain

    That toy is the shit. Plain and simple. It's able to have the exact look of the cartoon prime simply by shifting around the area around the grill. No loss of mass or anything stupid like that: it just folds in. The designers of the movie shoulda had that toy sitting in front of them the entire friggin' time so they can see that boxy doesn't mean it has to look silly. That toy is without a doubt the coolest Transformer toy I've ever seen.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Everybody needs to accept...

    by helper_monkey

    ...that this is MICHAEL BAY we're talking about here. Has he EVER made a movie that doesn't make your brain hurt at some point? And the writers involved wrote Catwoman, The Island and The fucking Core for christ's sake. The Transformers is DOOMED. There is NO WAY it's going to even approach anything remotely satisfying. Period. Everyone involved from top to bottom are the kind of people that almost ALWAYS piss off people who actually care about the films we see (Spielberg is the exception - but only when he makes an Indy flick or a movie about WWII and/or Jewish history. Just about everything else he does is forgettable and disappointing at best). These people are not in touch with reality. They live in a magic movie land where hardly ANYBODY thinks like the rest of the world. They DON'T CARE about depth, character or complexity and are unaware of the tradition of the source material. They see it ONLY as "Big Toy Robots Smash Things". And that's "cool" to them so they're making a movie. That's where it ends. It will go no farther. Bay will not develop spontaneous complexity and make things right. Even if he were to read all these posts, he wouldn't get it. He never will. Neither will Spielberg. It's already over and we lost. Like batman, Transformers will have to wait for another time.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Ohhh yeaaahh... the Core....

    by Thenedain

    I forgot that a writer from that shitfest was involved. That movie didn't just make my brain hurt, it made it want to leap from my head before it gave up hope and killed itself. Oh man, thanks, just when I didn't think my fears and loathing could get any worse you drop this into my lap...

  • July 14, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Avi Arad just said that he is already planning a reboot

    by modlight

    of Transformers to come out the month after this.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    I had forgotten this was written by those guys.

    by modlight

    I liked the Island, but those other two movies were aaaawwwwwful. I didn't even watch enough of Catwoman to see her become Catwoman (didn't rent... HBO). That completely cancells out the fact that it is directed by the deft hand of Bay. I'm now really really worried.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    It was an empty satisfaction, though. Like being interrupted from an exciting computer game by a phone call saying someone you know died. Then, after grieving for a few minutes, you notice your game is still paused and can't quite get back into it. Y'know? What they needed to do was admit they fucked it up with TF:TM, go back to current day and renew the series where it left off before the movie. Perhaps have an episode where one of the Autobots travels back in time to change the future. So yeah. Happiness at seein' Prime return? Eh... yeah. But it was a hollow victory.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Bay also needs to remember that Prime

    by superninja

    has really good one-liners, like: Stick it in neutral, Megatron! You're not going anywhere."

  • July 14, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Umm actually.......

    by Doc_Strange

    Yes they brought back zombie Prime, and then proceeded to kill him again. However, they brought him back again at the end of season 3, appropriately titled: The Return of Optimus Prime, where 2 scientists find his body on a ship, that was thought to be destroyed. They took his body back to earth and repaired it, they also acquired a spore virus from space rescuing Prime's body, which would turn them red and make them violent. Anyway, one of the scientists gets hurt in a battle between the autobots and decepticons. Her father vows revenge and sets traps for the autobots using the spores. To make a long story short, Sky Lynxx rescues a quintesson to revive Prime, who then has to restore the universe back to normal. He gets the Matrix of Leadership from an infected Rodimus Prime, goes into the matrix to chat with Alpha Trion about a cure. Optimus realizes that the wisdon of the ages from all past autobot leaders is the only thing that might destroy the spore. Just before Galvatron and everyone kills Prime again, he wakes up from inside the matrix and has it light their darkest hour, with The Touch righteously blaring. Everyone gets cured, Galvatron tells Prime there will be no war this day. Hot Rod mentions that the wisdom of the ages is gone, but Prime goes on to say that they're all a little wiser and that it is their job to refill the matrix with wisdom from that point on. The cartoon ends with Optimus shouting "AUTOBOTS, transform, AND ROLL OUT!" The end.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.....I never saw that episode. Maybe

    by superninja

    that was because I was so mad they killed him twice. Now I will have to go and get that. Maybe I will remember it once I see it, because I can't imagine missing that.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Return of Optimus Prime

    by Playhouse

    I don't remember them showing those episodes in the U.S. Didn't they just show them in Japan and possibly the UK?

  • July 14, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Dude... you made me shed a tear there...

    by Thenedain

    *sniff* Dammit, Doc_Strange, now I'm going to have to watch it again. Those two episodes were indeed awesome. Like, Heavy Metal War awesome.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    They were in the US

    by Thenedain

    They aired in my area after school when I was a kid. I actually missed the first part when it first aired 'cause I got home late. Thank God my dad was cool enough to watch it and tape it for me. If you haven't seen it, damn, you're missing out. They were probably the two best episodes to Season 3.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Hey, who's in my lawn chair? Someone get me a beer...

    by moondoggy2u

    Hey, I'm not saying I didnt rip into Roland for saying that G2 was more/equally popular than G1, which i, and many others, did, but I mainly concentrated on his injecting of politics into a debate that had nothing to do with it. But yeah, that was a very, VERY heated topic. What was funny was that up until the very end, none of us were mad. It was only after Roland started foaming at the mouth and put words in ours that I planted my foot. Oh well, lesson learned for others, I suppose. Just to contribute to the current discussion, anyone else but me think the real reason Bay isnt showing anything is because they now realize what they do have looks like garbage? Then again, that would imply that Bay is actually objective about his work. Yeah, crazy idea...

  • July 14, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    It's actually a two parter, superninja

    by Doc_Strange

    You can find it over at for bittorrent download. Again, a great end to a pretty much depressing season. They also had a season 4 where they introduce the Headmasters and Fortress Maximus, but it was rarely seen, I did however acquire the episodes from the same place. I just wish they went so far as to get to the Powermasters and Pretenders. Powermaster Primes look rocked!!

  • July 14, 2006, 8:38 p.m. CST

    That Zombie prime was one of the best

    by moondoggy2u

    transformer episodes ever. Especially when you see half of Prime's face tear off at the closing scenes when he sacrafices himself. Loved that episode. Very chilling and, in my opinion, some pretty intense stuff for kids, but then, Transformers was well known for traumatizing lads and lasses everywhere. By the way, DOPEPOPE--that was a very excellent post. Nice going, man.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:38 p.m. CST

    It was a 2 parter

    by Phategod2

    it was the episode where bumble be became gold bug,

  • July 14, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Moondoggy, I thought about that...

    by Thenedain

    when I first read the 'press release' this morning. I kind of pictured him sending a pair of effects guys out late last night to pick up some red spray paint. I can see him typing up that message while they're out back repainting the flamer truck. "Umm... no... it doesn't have flames, it'll look great *whispered voice* Hurry up guys, we've got filming to do!"

  • July 14, 2006, 8:41 p.m. CST

    It's ringing a bell. I seem to remember

    by superninja

    that red virus thing. I also dug Iron Hide, and was very irritated they wacked him and Ratchet so casually in the movie.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, phategod

    by moondoggy2u

    I forgot about that shameless product plug at the climax of Prime's return; nice going, hasbro hacks! Yeah, thenedain, I have a hunch that the guy in charge of the local paint store made a mint off of dutchboy sales this morning. Bay: "Doesn't matter what paint we use, just get it red and get it done!"

  • July 14, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    you guys are going to ruin the movie before you see it

    by magnum raptor

    you guys have to remember that thiers a certin level that thing look like when they go from comic, or t.v. to the big screen, like for instance in x-men they had like this black leather outfit that looked really awsome, but in the comic it was yellow spandex, for doc ock he had this green jump suit but in the movie he wore a trench coat so that he looked more menecing, sure when we were kids prime and megatron looked awsome and they still do, but they have to change some aspects of the character to make him more update, more heroic, or more evil. they are also dealing with new age cars not 1985 or 86 so they not only have to appeal to the fans, but to those who didnt wacth it when they were kids, or were to young to remeber. also you guys are going to ruin this movie before you wacth it, if you get pissed at every little detail, diffrent wheels, or diffrent shaped eyes. if you diesect every little part of the robot and just pick out what you dont like then you will sit in the movie theater and not enjoy the movie but loss all intreast in it, besides, as long as they still act like optimus and megatron that should be fine for you

  • July 14, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    How about what they did to Brawn

    by Phategod2

    That was cold man Im waiting to nevember to get the 20 year anniversary edition before i watch it again.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Sorry to disapoint, Modlight...

    by PapaVader

    But Seeing the HUGE cast of named humans characters in this movie, I realy fear that the go-bots, oh sorry -Transformers- in this movie are going to take a back seat to the human side of this conflict. Hell, Bay himself said He didn't considered doing this movie until he had the "Boy gets it's first car/rite of passage" crap.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Iron Hide died so harshly

    by Thenedain

    I mean, here he is, heroically fighting to the last to stop Megatron, only to have Megatron insult him " Such heroic nonsense" and then blow his head off. Talking about someone getting offed in a horribly manner. At least Ratchet went down quick and didn't get it rubbed in his face.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    So what you don't like are movies where the plot revolves around a quest to retrieve a material objective. If the objective is non-material, then it's a good story. So what about Lord of the Rings? It's material (the destruction of the ring.) And Star Wars... the series is the hero's journey but Ep IV the objective is the destruction of the Death Star (material.) Or do you just mean that you don't think it would work for this movie? An object-based quest is not always a bad thing. And with a good story writer, the objective can change mid-tale. (The Autobots left Cybertron to retrieve energy. After crashing, their new mission became the protection of Earth. The Decepticon mission statement never changed.) Mind you, from what I'm hearing, these are not good story writers we're dealing with, here. I too dread the possibility of another He-Man flick. As with what Bay supposedly plans, only a handful of regulars are set to appear... in He-Man, there was no Orco or RamMan, etc etc, yet there were a handful of new characters. (And now that I think of it, Prince Adam was an Earthling. Why was there no sense of "holy shit, this is where my parents are from!" when he got there??) But I digress. And I'm sorry dude but after being in a stasis for millions of years I think I'd wanna lap dance too! Even an Autobot's gotta get his fuel lines checked every once in awhile. LOL

  • July 14, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    No, magnum raptor. All you are doing is

    by superninja

    making excuses. People wouldn't be nearly as irritated if it was believable they intended to be faithful to the source material. They clearly ARE NOT.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    by Phategod2

    Unless i missed something Adam was the Prince of eternia When did he become a earthling?

  • July 14, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Of course there are examples of the object

    by superninja

    quest being done well, but it can also be a cheap storytelling device to substitute for characterization. Lots of action around a magical object that is in essense a MacGuffin. These writers are not the type to carefully craft a quest story in my opinion. TF: The Movie was actually an object quest story. I like it and everything, but I think TF works better when the quest is simply to defeat the Decepticons, not get an object.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Quest based movies are good...

    by Thenedain

    as long as they're not done hokey. I agree with you, MarkoOhNo. Hell, the Indy movies were all quests for material objects, and look at them! They all rocked! So many people were ticked about the lack of regular characters in MotU. Heck, you mention Prince Adam but the movie lacked even that aspect. The quest part of MotU COULD have been good, but they screwed it up. Hell, all movies involve a quest of some sort. The quest/goal/objective of the main hero is what creates the conflict that's the driving point of the film. Conan was on a quest to avenge his parents. Sarah Conner was on a quest to stop the future from happening. It all comes down to the writers and their ability to make the quest important, but yet keep a fine balance between trivializing it or making it overshadow the characters. The quests in all successful movies work because they never make the characters take the back seat, but let them shine and become important to the viewer.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Magnum--one flaw in that logic

    by moondoggy2u

    Those suits were never used for real life actors because save for superman and spiderman, they all looked overly flashy and no one could have looked good in them. Could you imagine Alfred Molina trying to slide his fat ass in a green Doc Ock costume? The Doc would have looked like a bunch of cottage cheese wrapped in green saran wrap! We're talking about ROBOTS, magnum, not human beings. Furthermore, Bay is already making the machines far more flashier and fake looking than the "unrealistic" cartoons. As we already know, the autobots in Bay's vision look like a bunch of car parts glued together in the shape of a robot and dont look functional in the slightest. In the cartoons, they were robots that had vague car parts as a COVER, not as their substance.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Prince Adam's mother is an Earth Astronaut.

    by superninja

  • July 14, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    The king and queen crashed on Eternia on a space ship from earth. It was revealed at some point in the cartoons but I can't tell you exactly where or when ( my memory doesn't go back that far, lol ).

  • July 14, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    i know. vader. but a guy can hope right?!

    by modlight

    I'm happy I'm getting down on this movie, cause I'm sick of having good expectaitions. ITs how I ended up enjoying Fantastic Four when my lady dragged me to it, cause I thought it was going to be Uwe Boll bad. So in a way me having a seat with Thenedain, Moondoggy, Yack et al could actually help me enjoy the movie more.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST

    See, magnum, in the cartoons, it was ROBOTS IN DISGUISE

    by moondoggy2u

    In Bay's movie, its CARS IN THE SHAPES OF ROBOTS. They dont look powerful; in fact, they look very, very fragile and could be easily taken out by some grandma in a caddy, and yet we're supposed to be the puny humans, right?

  • July 14, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST

    My bad

    by Thenedain

    That's right it was only the bad, sorry.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I thought the love story with King Randor and Queen

    by superninja

    Marlena was very romantic. It was one of the few cartoons where as a kid I thought parents were cool!

  • July 14, 2006, 8:59 p.m. CST

    moondoggy, that is the best point so far

    by superninja

    about the hints of what we've seen, and the point that dopepope made earlier so well. Suspension of belief does not mean ultimate realism! Ultimate realism is BORING.

  • July 14, 2006, 9 p.m. CST

    A note about Doc Ock in Spidey 2

    by Thenedain

    That design was very much influenced by Doc Ock's design in Ultimate Spiderman. Raimi has been pulling from both the normal comics and the Ultimate continuity for all his Spidey movies. And there's precedent for the X-Men not to be in goofy looking spandex: I recall times in the late 80s runs when they'd get all tooled up in black. Hell, Wolverine ran around in a black costume in his own book for awhile, IIRC. The look was adopted for Ultimate X-Men too. However, you'll note that the noticeably unique parts of the costumes remain the same: Cyclops still has a very classic looking visor, Storm maintains cape/cloak thing on her outfit. Wolverine's is the least like his comic version, but they made a point to try to replicate the comic version's hair style so he would remain recognizable.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Transformers: The Movie

    by MarkoOhNo

    When the Decepticons attack early in the movie, what really started the shock-fest was when I saw flames erupting from the eyes and mouth of Prowl as he collapsed. It made me pissed off. These were warriors who'd taken worse hits over the last few million years yet still lived to survive. Now all it takes is one blast and they're toast? I wanted a little better justification for their deaths than that. Y'know? But then Transformers has always been chock full of inconsistancies. Hell, it's practically their hallmark. For instance, the Constructicons and Dinobots were supposedly all created in a matter of hours by simply slapping together a little metal and wires. The Stunticons and Aerialbots were cobbled together from machine parts but had to have the blessing of Vector Sigma in order to live. Likewise, the Combaticons were created by taking glowy energon-cube-like personality chips from a detention center on Cybertron and inserting them into rusted-out WWII machinery. All Starscream had to do was stick one in an ordinary, inoperable Earth engine and suddenly - boom! - a bomber became a tiny space shuttle and transformed into a robot complete with personality. lol So yeah... had I been more sentient at 13, I'd have not been so surprised at how easily the Autobots were dispatched in the film.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I can spot an 80's refugee a mile away

    by moondoggy2u

    All you got to do is ask them the difference between a gobot and a transformer. A gobot looked like a car with a pair of arms and legs attached. To transform, all you had to do was turn the damn thing over. With a transformer, on the other hand, you had a robot that had little motifs of whatever the thing was supposed to transform into. The best rule of thumb was that if it took a full grown adult less than ten seconds to transform the toy, than it was a gobot. On the other hand, if it took over thirty minutes and two bandaids later to turn the damn thing into what it was supposed to change into, or the adult broke it in a fit of blind rage, then that, boys and girls, was a transformer!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST

    and thus, Bay's film truly is Gobots The Movie

    by moondoggy2u

  • July 14, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    I'll admit I liked GoBots too as a kid. But they really were just Hot Wheels with faces on their undercarriages. I did feel kind of strange, though, when Hasbro bought the rights to the name GoBots and started marketing Transformers to toddlers with the name.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    You're right, I forgot -- Prince Adam was only HALF-Earthling. But when I watched I couldn't help thinking that surely he'd heard stories of Earth from his Mom. He should've been in awe. (Maybe becoming He-Man represses the alter-ego considerably, including memories?) A He-Man origin story would be kinda cool.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST

    I attributed the fact the Decepticon

    by Phategod2

    Where so powerful in the movie to the fact they had control over cybertron at the time and all it energon therefore they were at full strength. still one of the saddest scence in film history.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    ModLight, Usualy I tend to think like you...

    by PapaVader

    but for me this movie as an X3 vibe to it... I was waiting for X3 having like the first 2, but when the first new about the scrpt leaked, then the photos (Juggy come to mind), then the lenght of the casting call, then the trailer, my expectations sank very low...But unlike most movies (of wich i utimately get some pleasure of seeing, heck I liked The Punisher for f&ck sake!) X3 lived to my low expectation. I so depised it that i am not even considering bying it for my collection (I have Elektra!). That is what I feel for this movie right now. And I so want this to be good... but the pimp-my-autobots/fast and furious vibe I get spells doom for this one...

  • July 14, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    MOTU was Kitschy Fun

    by Playhouse

    For me, I got a kick out the '80s movie. It wasn't really Masters of the Universe in any way, shape or form (Man-At-Arms has a thing for fried chicken???), but Frank Langella was perfect as Skeletor. Teela was way too mannish for me and though I got kind of a kick out of Gwildor when I was a kid, he really detracts from the movie. Plus, I hated that Beast Man wasn't really himself and they had to create new villains in Blade and the lizard guy. Still, the movie is kind of dumb fun for me.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Same here, Phate

    by Thenedain

    I thought the same thing. The Autobots weren't doing so hot at that point it seemed, so I just figured the Decepticons were better powered, hence more powerful.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, phategod, that was pretty sad

    by moondoggy2u

    Still, truly one of the best scenes in animation history had to be the entire prime/megatron fight. From the moment we see prime say,"Megatron must be stopped...," the animation suddenly seemed to vastly improve. I've yet to see that good of choreography on a cartoon, save perhaps for the samurai jack cartoons and Clone Wars. That entire scene, from top-of-the line voice acting to really good use of 80's cheese music was PERFECT and single handedly made kids cheer, sit in their seats a little taller, and cry their little hearts out. I have still yet to see anything like that in the theater. yeah, i was living vicariously to my then girlfriend's son, but even I, a kid in his early twenties, was really caught up in it.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST

    vacariously through, not to. duhhhhh.

    by moondoggy2u

  • July 14, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST

    I still watch MotU

    by Thenedain

    just for Frank Langella as Skeletor. Hell, it was weird watching Superman Returns while he was onscreen, I kept waiting for him to belt out, " I am more than man, more than life, I am a god!". He really was perfect, and the makeup/costume for Skeletor looked great. Too bad everything else pretty much sucked.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Of all the GoBots, I only recall one worthy of coming even close to challenging some Transformers: Crasher ( This one actually looked pretty damn good in both car and robot forms. I was quite happy the day I got it. heh But yeah... Transformers may as well have been Rubiks Cubes to adults. lol They certainly don't make 'em like they used to.... The only halfway decent Transformer released since G1 was the sextuplechanger Megatron ( I couldn't resist - I had to buy that one! heh

  • July 14, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Gotta Agree

    by Playhouse

    Still one of my favorite scenes in all of the movies I've seen in my life is the Prime going into battle to take some names scene. From "You Got the Touch" to Skywarp's reflection in the grill to Prime's transformation and jump into the air to start shooting everyone. It was exhilirating and still thrills the hell out of me. Then the whole knock-down drag-out fight with Megatron was what we'd always wanted.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Marko--Crasher still looks pretty bad.

    by moondoggy2u

    Yes, one of the best gobots I've seen, but its still VERY bad compared to Transformers.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost!

    by Thenedain

    Well said, Moondoggy. The animation during that sequence, and much of the movie's action scenes, were awesome. Heck, that style was so awesome that they reused it during the Return of Optimus Prime episodes. It doesn't quite get as good, but you see a very noticeable difference in how the animation looks from the rest of the series. Everything about that sequence is awesome, from Prime's mid air transformation/ass kicking to the final blow and cry of "NEVER!". Damn... all this talk of THE Movie is going to end with me watching it later, I can see it already.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, playhouse

    by moondoggy2u

    That moment pretty much captured the actions of a true hero. As cheesy as that sounds, it really was a perfect example of bravery for the kids. I've always said that the film should have used that as a climax rather than the unicron stuff. Oh well. Perfect first half hour, though.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    You Want a Transforming Nightmare...

    by Playhouse

    Pick up the Alternators line. They look good in both car and bot modes, but transforming them is like trying to disarm a bomb in an action thriller.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Way I saw it, that scene was the climax to the TV series. Everything after that, including the TV series was kind of a whole different story with its roots in the Transformers we'd come to know and love.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    That Megatron's cool looking...

    by Thenedain

    Gonna have to track him down. I had to go out on ebay hunting for that awesome Robot Masters version of Starscream earlier. He was one of the early Decepticons I never had as a kid and when I found out they'd made a sweet version of him I had to have him for nostalgia sake. Plus, he'll look good next to my 20th Prime.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Look, thenedain, I aint saying I'm prime or nothing

    by moondoggy2u

    But what if I strap on a blue motorbike helmet, slide my six two 240 lbs frame inside a tight red shirt, white kahkis, and blue tennies and go kick me some Bay ass! See you in ten to twenty!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Masters of the Universe

    by MarkoOhNo

    As horrible as MotU was to me as a kid, it is kinda cool watching it nowdays from a nostalgic sense. Frank Langella was incredible, yes, but I watch it for James Tolkan (Detective Lubic) - he cracks me up near the end. lol And I just wish, at some point during the film, he'd have called He-Man a slacker. LOL It's also kinda cool seein' a young Courtney Cox and Robert Duncan McNeill (Lt Paris - Star Trek Voyager).

  • July 14, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Sounds good, Moondoggy

    by Thenedain

    but you'd better bring a video camera with you because I wanna see that. Hell, I'll find me a yellow jumpsuit and tag along.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Nobody takes pot shots at Lubic!

    by Thenedain

    You wanna play? Ok, let's play! Hehe... Lubic's great. How often do you think David Arquette sits Courtney down and forces her to watch MotU?

  • July 14, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    I'm proud to say that my 12 year-old son is into transformers and currently owns a slew of those armada things. Yes, you are absolutely right about transforming those little bastards! I was afraid that if I cut the red wire and unwrap the blue trailer base and put it around the wrong red arm I was going to blow the entire house.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Me too Thenedian

    by Phategod2

    Now lets start breakdancing to a weird al's "dare to be stupid"

  • July 14, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Ba weep gra na weep ni ni bong

    by Thenedain

  • July 14, 2006, 9:36 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    I said Crasher came closer than other Gobots, now... didn't say she could actually compete with a Transformer. heh (Even though she often became involved in my Transformers play, as a kid. She was usually the first to get ass-kicked. lol) I forgot to mention the Autobot cars designed to look like real cars. You can still buy them. HIGHly detailed. I got one for a friend's little brother for his birthday, a couple years ago. For the most part, it transformed like Bluestreak, Prowl or Jazz, but I'm a little embarrassed to say how long it took me to get it transformed. lol

  • July 14, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by MarkoOhNo

    Answer: Every night before sex, but it's more for him than for her. (Okay, big mistake... just made myself ill. "David Arquette" and "sex" should never appear in the same thought.)

  • July 14, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST

    i disagree with everything said above

    by teddanson37

    kong would have sucked even if i wasn't aware of the story (actually more so). transformers will make or break on story. who cares how awesome it looks and how much crap blows up? the story is what's gonna bring us back time and time again. on another note, i hate when geeks thinks we have more pull with box office than we do. look at the posts and talkbacks here about Superman Returns and the posts and talkbacks about XmenTLS. If "the geeks" really had that much power, Xmen would have made $11 and Superman would have outdone titanic by now.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:40 p.m. CST

    No worries, mark

    by moondoggy2u

    I was actually able to get that 100$ collectors prime for my son. Yeah, I helped him set it up the first few times. Purely to help him, you understand; not because I enjoyed it, of course. After all, I'm a fully grown adult ;)

  • July 14, 2006, 9:41 p.m. CST

    The Alternators cars are pretty cool...

    by Thenedain

    I'm still waiting for the Dodge Ram Prime. It's a pretty sick looking toy, even if it's a Ram. The Alternators versions of Tracks and Jazz/Meister are both pretty damned sweet looking. They came along just as I thought that kids today would never have cool toys again.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:42 p.m. CST

    A Lancia

    by Phategod2

    I was doing some research yesterday because back when i was a kid i be damn if i knew what a Lancia was, but Wheel jack was one. but it was messed up seeing his body piled up next to i think wind charger.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:43 p.m. CST

    MarkoOhNo you didn't

    by Thenedain

    ...actually, I was thinking along the same lines. And yeah... that made me feel ill. Though, if she wants turnaround to that, she can always force him to watch Ready to Rumble...

  • July 14, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    Didn't know that Ted Danson had that much pull with the public these days. Guess he's to America as Hasselhoff is to the Germans.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    I've got all but Prime, Swerve and Mirage (a sweet Ford GT). They're coming out with a redeco of Prime as Nemesis Prime for ComiCon that they're gonna sell for a limited time on the Hasbro site too.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST

    He-Man would need to be cheezy.

    by superninja

    MOTU was trying to have it both ways with cheap fantasy and realism and ended up being stupid for it. But Skeletor and Evil Lynn were perfect. Also, you do not try to make He-Man of all people mature and sexy. Give me a break! They should've made the humans end up in Eternia. It needs to be like Flash Gordon. Also, I love to hate Orko, so CGI Orko would be kind of fun. Some Italian cats did a comic book of the continuing adventures which became darker and more Conan-ish, but the art was great. He-Man was exiled and Teela married King Hiss or something nuts like that. I don't know if they're still on the web or not. used to have them.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Honestly, I could live without anything after G1

    by superninja

    The movie is only good because of Prime and his death. All piggybacking on Prime, you leeches.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    I went into kong without any spoilers of any kind

    by moondoggy2u

    and it was still quite a painful experience for me. Thre reasons that Kong didnt work for me, and for quite a few like me: 1. Jack Black. Yes, he's funny, but he CANNOT act; he stuck out like a sore thumb. 2. Movie was overly long for such a modest plot. Had 45 minutes been cut, the film would have vastly improved in pacing. 3. Disney quality dialogue. In other words, everyone spoke as though they were in a cartoon. I dont have a problem with that sort of thing on account of my being a star wars fan, but when the movie is clearly mixing adult themes and content with child-like antics/mannerisms, then the film becomes too adult for children and too simplistic for adults. A.I. is a classic example of that sort of mistake. Anyway, just my take on it.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    Yeah, I'm looking over the Alternators on right now. Damn, Mirage looks pretty sweet. I'm dying for that Prime, I'm even going to try for Nemesis as well, though I suspect that'll be a tough one. Gotta keep my eyes on Hasbro's site as I didn't realize they were selling them there too. Good stuff!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Bay's Been Threatened...

    by MarkoOhNo none other than Grimlock, who was quoted today as having said, "Me Grimlock say you full of caesium salami!" He then stomped his foot, causing cameras to explode, destroying all footage shot so far, forcing Bay to start the film over. Way to go Grimlock!!

  • July 14, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST

    He Grimlock king!

    by Thenedain

    Though to this day I bet he still wonders "why kid hurt my nose?!".

  • July 14, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Not that Kong was a horrible movie

    by moondoggy2u

    It was just too much for a theater experience. Perfect for a DVD purchase that allows you to have frequent pause breaks, but just too much for a theater.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Moondoggy, you are right about Kong.

    by superninja

    Cutting that sucker down would've saved it. Black didn't bother me in that film, for once. But watching it made me realize that there was really no reason to remake it if you were going to leave that island. It still is nowhere near as powerful as that old black and white image of Kong on the Empire State Building. For whatever reason. Kind of like Harryhausen images resonate for me more than a lot of CGI.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Friend find, look behind.

    by superninja

    Man, I hated Wheelie.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Good luck finding Prime at a good cost. On eBay they're selling him for $59 at the cheapest but an average of about $10 more than that. I've been looking for one for the past few months. Seems like its been backordered since it was first released.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Anyway, I don't think Jackson does

    by superninja

    iconography well. In anything he's done, including LOTR. They all kind of run together. The scene with Kong and the girl during the sunset was about the closest, but even that is not original.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    Thankfully, I live in back water VT where the toy stores tend to have cool stuff like that but never sell it. I scored the Alternators Grimlock that way, when I picked it up it was pretty much sold out across the country and selling for insane prices on ebay; I got it for retail. I'll have to truck out to the stores tomorrow and see what I can find. Worse to worse, I'd fight ebay for one...mebbe.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Or Eight Legged Freaks.

    by chiahead

    which i didn't actually see, so i probably shouldn't be hatin. I have an alternator Sideswipe. That shit RAWKS. re: zombie prime, the return two parter which was sort of a three parter, and the headmasters series- it's so awesome that they couldn't have ended the show with Prime's return instead of that shlock headmaster/target master series. however, (confession time) I own all the G1 seasons on DVD (and the beast wars and beast machines... yeah there i said it) and on the season 3/4 G1 set bonus features there's an interview with the guy who wrote it. So funny. He totally admits to it sucking, but qualifies it with the fact that originally he was told to write a five ep arc and at the last minute they dicked him over and turned it into a three ep arc so he had to do some script doctoring. good times... good times...

  • July 14, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by Thenedain

    The Headmasters were so cool in the comics. They did a much better job with the origin story and made Scorponok awesome. I was always kind of disappointed they didn't just use that story, it was so much cooler.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Anybody else ever notice...

    by MarkoOhNo Megatron turns the fight with Optimus into a catfight in the movie? Near the end, he claws at his face while screaming, "I'll rip out your optics!" (Translation: "I'll scratch out your eyes!" The stereotypical catfight battlecry.)

  • July 14, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Transformers In Japan

    by MarkoOhNo

    Ran about 1 season longer on tv than it did in the US. After it ended here, they began a Headmasters series which ran a little over 30 episodes. I wonder where I could get my hands on that. (I have every other episode of Transformers ever released other than that.)

  • July 14, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST

    well, normally I'd agree with you, marko

    by moondoggy2u

    `cept when Im in a fight, its not exactly pretty. Everybody's kicking, gouging, punching, and the whole thing goes to the floor in less than a few seconds, and thats before I even get my hands on a chair or something.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Prime goaded Megatron all the time in

    by superninja

    the cartoon as well. In the first EP he tells him, "You're old, Megatron, ...scrap metal." (translation: "You're nothing but cheap trash!").

  • July 14, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    nonsensical is preaching (in top 1/3 of talkback)

    by toulouse

    can I have an "Amen"?!

  • July 14, 2006, 10:14 p.m. CST

    sure you can, toulouse

    by moondoggy2u

    you can have as many men you want, if thats what you're into. Just keep it to yourself, next time, okay?

  • July 14, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Megatron is kind of a diva.

    by superninja

  • July 14, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    What is Bay's Big announcement at comicon

    by Phategod2

    Is it who is going to be the Voice of Optimus Prime. If he announces anyone other then Peter Cullen as the voice for Prime and there are cheers Know that there is a audience full of more Plants then the botanical gardens.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Knight Rider 2000

    by Talkback1138

    I think I figured it out, Bay's Tranformers movie will be to the original Transformers, what Knight Rider 2000, was to Knight Rider, except without James Doohan. But even with that suckfest, they still kept KITT's voice the same

  • July 14, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST


    by chiahead

    re: Japanese Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory series, all of which were G1 extensions after the show stopped airing here in the States- I'm not sure if you're talking about where to get them for free, but there are plenty of folks on ebay who are selling region free (licensed) DVDs of all three series. I did some poking around and found one guy who has them with english tracks and chinese/english subtitles, both of which are removable. or so he says. i've never bought from him but his feedback certainly doesn't suck. link below.

  • July 14, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Masterpiece Prime

    by Phategod1

    God That thing is expensive. For a toy its bueatiful cause its just like the cartoon but $200.00 damn does anyone know where i can it cheaper.

  • July 15, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Like it or not, Bay's as good as it gets

    by Neo Zeed

    Brian Singer's locked up with a Superman trilogy. Cameron's locked up with 2 trilogies and probably doesn't give a crap about Transformers. Tarantino is in love with the 70's and can't handle SFX and if Rodriguez didn't lobby to direct the other 50 superhero movies, why would he do this one? Wachoski's are too serious minded and the studios would let Verhoven touch a camera in the states (especially after Showgirls, Hollow Man and SF Troopers' box office. (Also because for his love of R-rated content, Verhoven probably wouldn't like the restrictions.) Sam Raimi's on Spiderman and is probably too old to see the fascination with Transformers. Zemekis already got his Oscar and just makes the 'lil kiddie flicks. McTiernan's fucked up with Rollerball, Basic, and is going to jail. Ridley Scott's idea of returning to sci-fi is adding more unicorn dream sequences in Blade Runner every 5 years...and you think he'd use an 80s kiddie toon as his return to sci-fi? (You'd have a better chance at getting Tony Scott but I'd doubt anybody would like that better after reading the Domino talkbacks) That said I'd love to see Transformers made by those people (except for Singer...I'm tired of his stuff), but I'm also realistic. They are not willing or available to make the movie. Bay can deliver action and effects 10X better than the current hacks from the Avi Arad/Rob Cohen school. P.S. I still want Cullen back!

  • July 15, 2006, 12:57 a.m. CST

    Cullen! Cullen! Cullen!

    by superninja

  • July 15, 2006, 1:10 a.m. CST

    looks good to me

    by magnum raptor

    no i wasnt making any excuses, im just saying that they could have looked liked thier old 80s versions and i would be allright with that but i think they look more robotic in this version, look im a trans fan as well, i have the whole g1 season on dvd, beastwars on dvd, and the 20th annversery optimus, i know some of whats going on. honestly the pic of bumble bee looked ok, and so have the oter pics, and if they put flames on prime so what, as long as he still has his bad ass jhon wayne/ king arthur attitude, but i do admit he does need more red, and also you guys are freaking over small photos, when you see a finished autobot or decepticon than complain, till than i honestly think that the films bots look good so far, i might be wrong or i might be right i dont give a shit, all i know is that they look like dam auto bots and decepticons to me and they probabley will to the audience who dont take this shit as seious as you guys, and one more thing, its just a dam movie..

  • July 15, 2006, 1:10 a.m. CST

    HAHAHA@Neo Zeed

    by dopepope

    That unicorn comment was hilarious.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:19 a.m. CST

    What This Movie Needs...

    by Playhouse more unicorn. (Nods to Neo Zeed. Had to run with the theme.)

  • July 15, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    I'll be there the whole, and I hope to god I can make it into the TF presentation.(working much of the weekend) We all need to decide what we will chant before we start rioting. I have 3 choices in mind, and yes I am serious about at least chanting, along with a load of booing of course. I vote for "CULLEN!", "NO FLAMES!", or "RED PRIME!"

  • July 15, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST


    by Phategod1

    Check this out i dont know if it s from the movie or not but if it is it looke good

  • July 15, 2006, 2:28 a.m. CST

    RE: MarkoOhNo: Headmasters

    by kdoc13

    MarkoOhNo, I only within the last 8 years began to live in Japan from time to time, but I distinctly remember seeing the Headmasters cartoon here in the US. There was a station in Cleveland which played them for a while. I want to say chanel 43 (for the locals, if they remember) when 43 was still good. But of course, they also played the good Robotech with the Motorcycles, and also the Voltron with the 24 cars, and the Voltron with the 3 robots. Oh how I miss the days of coming home from school to Chanel 43. Long live Superhost.

  • July 15, 2006, 2:36 a.m. CST

    More Than Meets The Spy!

    by Crash Crator

    *****I applaud Bay & Co. in their attempt at

  • July 15, 2006, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Nonsensical - Trip to Boston...?

    by hipcheck13

    ...are you attending a big Transformers convention? I imagine you'll just turn into a jet airliner and fly there, right?

  • July 15, 2006, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Here's that Optimus 'Flames' pic. Ugh

    by Ghostball

  • July 15, 2006, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Lol@ more unicorns

    by moondoggy2u

    Fellas, I've got a fever and the name of the prescription is MORE UNICORN!

  • July 15, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Bryan Singer as director?!

    by Immortal_Fish

    You've gotta be fucking kidding me. Megs blows a gaping hole through Prime's chest in the second act. In the third act, Prime rips the Arc out from the side of the mountain and throws it back toward Cybertron, compleat with live circuits sparking in his still open chest cavity. No thanks. Bryan Singer needs to steer well clear of geek properties and go back to claustrophobic dramas like Apt Pupil.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Bay owes the fans...

    by BayouWilly

    nothing. If he doesn't want us to see the robots, good for him. It'd be nice to be surprised in the theater again. If he wants to give us the big fuck you and tell us to see it or not see it... I'd have to agree with him.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Thank you BayouWilly I mean Michael Bay...

    by andrew coleman

    I agree with most about being surprised in theaters. I hate when trailers show the best parts of fights and what not. But I am calling their bluff on this no Transformers till movie opens bull shit. Will see them in the trailer in both forms because they want mainstream audiences to go to this. If the trailers don't show anything people will shrug and think it is stupid or have no idea what the fuck is going on. So they are lying they are using it as an excuse not to show anything right now. I think they are a little afraid of the fans, and that if too much is shown early they will loose serious pocket change, so I think it's all games. If Cullen does not get the job tho I probably will pass on this and just see Spider-man 3 again by that time.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I guess you're right. If Bay doesn't want us to

    by superninja

    buy his product and all, that's his choice. Because there is no trust between Bay and the fans and he's clearly off on the wrong track from all the evidence to date. So if he chooses not to show the robots we will all be in suspense, but fans generally don't appreciate feeling that they are being held hostage until opening day because Bay wants to play a marketing game. Big gamble.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    And I'm not talking about trailers, which

    by superninja

    show all of the best parts of the movie before you even get there. That's irritating - I agree. What I am saying is akin to seeing the X-Men or Spidey in their costumes before the movie, not the actual movie. If the designs are really THAT outstanding, I could see Bay taking the gamble. But, all evidence appears that they're not. They're bland "realism". You know, vehicles transforming into sentient robots being a very realistic concept and all.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Yack, thanks for getting my whole arguement

    by superninja

    about the Energon Cube MacGuffin. It can be a cheat in these types of films. Raiders, for instance, was after the Ark, but it also represented an idea that underlined Indy's whole character arc (and is still the most perfect ending to any film ever made). Do we really think that's what the Energon Cube is here? I just don't think it is a strong story concept to have the whole centuries-long war on Cybertron being fought over a single object. They are fighting over ideals. I suppose it could be what you choose to do with the power you wield (like Superman, apparently you leave for five years and be a baby's daddy), but I don't have high hopes for Bay going that deep. No, with great power comes the responsibility to find a sweet ride to get laid in! And I had high hopes after watching the Island because it was an action film, but also about an idea that is very socially relevant.

  • July 15, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    It's kind of sad, but it seems like a lot

    by superninja

    of directors these days confuse CGI/technology as a substitute for imagination. It's really a call to step it up, not to let it do all the work for you. Bay reverse engineered the TFs and sucked the fantasy element out of it.

  • July 15, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    The reason bay does not want to shot any transformers

    by Phategod2

    Is becaue he knows they will look terrible and nothing like there cartoon counterparts. Could you imagine if this guy did Dragonball Z. Nicholas Cage could play vegeta and have a recieting harline with high top fade.

  • July 15, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Yack, not to suggest it's a perfect

    by superninja

    film; it gets into cliche territory towards the end and is very Bay-reverential as someone mentioned. But, I thought it was more mature than his other films. Turns out, most likely a fluke. It doesn't hurt that I like Djimon Honsou, Scarlett Johannson and Ewan McGreggor, either.

  • July 15, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    something i think we should all consider in light of the pic....we all seem to be forgettin that hasbro has a huge controllin interest in what the movie transformers will look like, not michael bay.....ultimately hasbro is going to have a brand new line of toys to market next summer..and if u wanted to make the most money, would u market toys that are identical to the ones from the '80s or new ones that are more contemporary but still have that gen-1 feel ??? business says u make something different but similar, although i know there are the geeks out there that buy every single release and re-release of their favorite transformers , namely the endless versions of optimus and megatron and those are the guys that are the first to complain about differences in the movie from the original cartoon...its all a money making enterprise in hollywood and hasbro is going to make money off this too in the toy stores.... so look at it that way...

  • July 15, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    I havent bought a Transformer in over sixteen years but I just saw that 20 anniversary Optimus Prime That Transforms and looks just like Cartoon prime and Im going to pay over $100.00 dollars for him and the cab and put it on my freaking mantle so dont tell me that the 80's product cant sell.

  • July 15, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else get the feeling...

    by Kurutteru Yatsu

    ...that we (and by "we" I mean those of us who grew up in the 80's) are the last generation who'll be having these "Ooh, you've raped my childhood!" bitchfests? Are there any cartoons, shows, or films from the 90's or today that share anywhere near the same iconography or passion from fans as stuff from twenty years ago? The only properties I can think of are Doom and Halo and those (well, maybe Doom) aren't anywhere near as culturally significant as Transformers or Goonies or Robotech, the list goes on. I seriously doubt that in 2020 when they're ramping up for a live-action Pokemon movie the fanboy rage will be anything like this.

  • July 15, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Phategod2: Check out his Prime too

    by Thenedain That toy is a hybrid, very similar to the Masterpiece but much cheaper. Since this whole discussion the last few days I've been on a sick Transformers buying kick. I just got back from hunting for some of the Alternators: man, the Shockwave one is freakin' awesome. I bought the Robot Masters Starscream last night, along with that Hybrid Prime off eBay. My wallet's crying right now, but I'm pretty sure they're tears of joy.

  • July 15, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Oooh... good one Hipcheck13... BURN!

    by nonsensical

    Yeah, I love how people wait until others are "gone" until they take pot shots at others. That was so good Hipcheck13, really can I save that one for later. I'm sure I'll find a situation where I can use it. However, to answer your question Hipcheck13, No. I am not going to a Transformers Convention. I haven't done that since I worked for Hasbro and they paid for it. If you must know I am heading out to an Animators trade convention. You know it's that little one called Siggraph. Since I work for a living in this whole film industry as an animator, writer, and if I'm lucky director, I generally want to attend these sort of conferences when I can. The Boston one is nice since it's where my parents live. Next year it's in San Diego which if I remember right will be the week after the comic-con. Which I head that comic-con thing is starting to get big. Maybe there will be a lot of people or industry types there. By then the I expect the project I am working on will be done and I will be down there looking for my next Animation Job. Oh, and no I can't tell you about the project I am working on, that would violate the NDA I signed. Now, why don't you go out and play with your little friends, The sun will do you some good.

  • July 15, 2006, 6:10 p.m. CST

    I can't wait for it to be released

    by Thenedain

    I saw it earlier on and was very impressed. I'm kind of wondering when they'll do a Masterpiece Megatron or Soundwave. Seems to me they'd be on the list. A Masterpiece Grimlock would be pretty sick too. The articulation along would make them worth having. Definitely looking forward to move of that line, if they choose to keep making them. And, BTW, I guess that shows just how popular the 80s designs are, eh? They've been pumping out G1 Style Primes like hotcakes, now a Starscream. Which, BTW, makes it I believe the 4th or 5th Starscream toy to be made in the G1 Style.

  • July 15, 2006, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the tip, Yack!

    by Thenedain

    Still picking up the Hybrid due to the inexpensive price tag, and the coolness factor. It'll end up on display on my toy shelves, so I don't mind the size. The Masterpiece, though, I definitely have to get off my butt and pick up. Very cool toy, I'd missed it when it first released, even though I'd nearly had one in my hands at a local shop. Ahh well, better late than never.

  • July 15, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Kurutteru Yatsu

    by Immortal_Fish

    Interesting observation. You have to consider that this generation of kids won't have to wait to see movies made on their geek properties because they are getting their movies made *now*. Harry Potter is the best example. A Doom movie was made and a Halo movie is being made. Power Rangers got two movies made during the height of their popularity. While not live action, Pokemon also had movies. However, I do agree with you that there is a dearth of properties being made in this decade that hold any chance at longevity like the stuff we grew up with.

  • July 15, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Masterpiece Fucking Awesome

    by Phategod2

    Why in the shit is the movie not tied into this collection and everyone look like these things. Im definately copping all those things from starscream to prime to Megatron cant wait for megatron after the crappy G1 that looked nothing like the cartoon.

  • July 15, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Masterpiece Starscream

    by Playhouse

    I'm so there. And it looks like they are doing a reissue of Masterpiece Prime (MP-04 instead of MP-01) and finally including his trailer. Damn. I wish they would sell the trailer separately.

  • July 16, 2006, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Do They?

    by Playhouse

    Nice. I'll have to check around for that. Thanks, YB.

  • July 16, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Cool Beans

    by Playhouse

    I hadn't realized they'd done a repaint of MP Prime and released it as Ultra Magnus as well. Looks like I'm gonna be blowing a ton of money here shortly.

  • July 16, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    It's ok, Playhouse

    by Thenedain

    You're not alone. Nostalgia's addictive.

  • July 16, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Nostalgia is expensive.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Geez, truer words were never spoken on AICN. Well fellow robot lovers and ComicCOn attendees are you going to be running frantically to Toynami's booth for the 1\100 scale transforming Valkyrie? Best exclusive I've seen so far.

  • July 16, 2006, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I only wish...

    by Thenedain

    I was going to be at ComicCon for that one. Hell, it's one of two exclusives there I desperately want, the other being the Nemesis Prime Alternator. At least I'll have the chance to get that online, but the Valkyrie's gonna be a tough one. I'm still pissed I missed the awesome MAC 2 Monster toy the made last year... that thing was freakin' awesome looking and one of the Macross/Robotech designs I always wanted a toy of.

  • July 16, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    Well that sucks balls, I didn't even know they had that last year. I did see the protoype for a Masterpiece Beta ship that plugs into the back of the Masterpiece Alpha fighter, now that was kick ass! Damn, I luvs me some giant robots!!

  • July 16, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I know why optimus has flames!!!!

    by slappy jones

    peter cullen isn't doing his voice....nor is clooney or dennis haysbert...after his success voicing a vehicle in cars optimus prime is being played by larry the cable guy!!! hence the cheap looking backwoods flame job they have given prime.

  • July 16, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Sorry Talk Backers, I'm siding with "Suits" on this one

    by ganymede2010

    Michael Bay, The ROCk, Armageddon, AWESOME! Bad Boys 2 STELLAR! Pearl Harbor PURE SHIT! You're 3 for 4, so the odds tell me you'll make a kick ass flick. These aren't even real fanboi's. How could anyone who's a serious TF fan actually think the Peterbelt Rig looks corny. My Friggin Lord, I'm one G-1 fan who LOVES THE RIG! And you're doing an excellent job by keeping everything a secret. Peter Jackson bent over backwards for Kong Fans, and where did it get him? No fucking where. These cry babbies still trashed it. If the Empire Strikes Back came out in 2006 these dimwits would still TRASH IT!

  • July 16, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by Phategod1


  • July 16, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I smell mulch and/or fertilizer......

    by Hairy Nutsack

    My Friggin' Lord indeed, no true G-1 fan likes the flaming rig. I'll go farther, if you like the flaming rig then you are not a Transformers fan period. End of discussion. Better call the gardener cuz your roots are rotting ganymede.

  • July 16, 2006, 9:43 p.m. CST

    why stop with painted flames???

    by slappy jones

    I hope bumblebee has an awesome painting of unicorn up on its hind legs under a waterfall as a rainbow stretches out above it...and riding the unicorn is a hot woman with long hair covering here breasts and that he has amusical horn and pulls heaps of donuts.....and starscream has a picture of a dragon curled up around a crystal ball and in the ball is a viking warrior brandishing a broadsword on his wings..if you are going to start giving them cheap ass hillbilly paint jobs go fucking hogwild

  • July 17, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST


    by jegoing74

  • July 17, 2006, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Robot Skeletons

    by jegoing74

    I have the bb pic and the PR people at bays official site said it's not how it will look in the movie. Bullshit! I say. You don't spend a half a million or more on a giganic steel "robot" if you're not going to use it. I also don't buy adding CG to it. Another pile o' shit from the PR people. This reminds me of the the Dean Devil produced GINO "Godzilla in name only" except this will be TINO "Transformers in name only". I have turned on this movie, like a pitbull.

  • July 17, 2006, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Flames = Bad

    by YourDaddy

    Bay = Cunt. that is all.

  • July 17, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Not run off, Mace...

    by Childe Roland

    ...just had a bunch of shit going on this weekend and couldn't get on line. Playing catch-up now, though. As for your question, for whatever reason (perhaps banking on the Fantastic Four-mula for box office success) Bay and Dreamworks have decided to cater to a new, potentially wider audience than the G1 fanbase. There really is no arguing this point. The pic has apparently been confirmed as what Optimus is going to look like. So you're going to have a lot of people upset by that. As for tearing me a new one, moondoggy, in what dream did that happen? You expressed your opinions (posing them as fact in many instances), and you typed a lot more than I did in that talkback, but you by no means tore me anything. You really need to stop fantasizing about me. Your wife will get jealous. ;)

  • July 17, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Hillbilly Prime.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    YEE-HAA!! So do you think he'll have chrome naked lady mudflaps or the Yosemite Sam ones? Maybe they'll do something "clever" like give him chrome naked lady robot mudflaps, geez as I typed that it occured to me that there is no chance they WON'T give him chrome naked lady robot mudflaps. What I really hope is they give him the grill cover with the big monster teeth on it. He should also blare out Hank Williams Jr. songs. What else, any more hillbilly truck cliches I'm forgetting that they're sure to shit upon us?

  • July 17, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST


    by ganymede2010

  • July 17, 2006, 1:58 p.m. CST


    by ganymede2010

    Why do I have to be plant for stating the obvious? I'm a G-1 fan and I like the Rig. I don't think an old Flatnose rig would Work for the Live Action Movie. If it was made in 1985 then you'd have a point. But it's made in 2006! How many Flat nose Rigs do you actually see on the road? Now what I am worried about is Prime not having his face shield. If Bay fucks that up, then I'm all with you for flamming Bay until the cows come home. But until he does something EXTREMELY stupid I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

  • July 17, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    It is a big joke to them....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    The proof that it is a big joke to them is the fact that every vehicle featured in the film is this year's new model, and "Bumblebee" eventually becomes the new Camaro. Let's pretend this happened in real life, then there would certainly be older cars represented in the mix if for no other reason than to blend in better. At the moment the cars in this film look like some gay ass car club instead of robots trying to hide inconspicuously. Even though they could use a modern flat nose truck, they certainly could have, and maybe should have, used an older model flat nose truck for Prime.

  • July 17, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    this would look better

    by juggalotoonfreak i think this would make a better O.P just change the color

  • July 17, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    There is nothing wrong with magically disappearing bits

    by LordSoth

    Any science sufficiently advanced will appear to be magic.

  • July 17, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I wonder how strong

    by Phategod2

    any transformer can be with those skeletal frames.

  • July 18, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Bay = Douche

    by Phategod1

  • July 18, 2006, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Fuck this film!

    by photoboy

    Bay has fucked Prime up, his look is iconic. If he doesn't look and sound exactly like he did in the cartoon I'm going to hate on this movie to anyone who will listen. I will not go see it or buy the DVD.

  • July 19, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    this is all Michael Bay had to buy...

    by zvirbulite its even used. Cheap! I mean, how hard is it? This is Optimus in the "flesh" as it were. You can't find the mass in this to make it 40 feet tall? Why does Optimus have to be a heavily built bruiser anyway? Megatron is a tank, Optimus is a thin Olympian, fast on his feet. Freaking TAKARA proved this design can work for the animation version of Prime. Just buy the toy, take it apart, model the parts, animate it, and then go hogwild to texture it to make it look "real" and bingo! Fans are happy. Why do these filmmakers hate making the fans happy? Not that Michael Bay or any of his staff read these comments anyway, of course. Oh well.

  • July 20, 2006, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Transformers Is Just His Stepping Stone

    by MarkoOhNo

    Bay's next pet project is "Pokemon: Gotta Kill Them All!" Something causes them to become bloodthirsty killers, threatening to exterminate mankind. So the President calls on the Pokemon Master played by acting phenom and rap genius (erm, I mean SINGING sensation) Lil Bow Wow... sorry, sorry, BOW WOW 'cause he all growns up naow... to exterminate all pokemon. There should be some great scenes with military blowing up hundreds of fuzzy critters and then dying in the flames of some giant dragon-type pokemon. Can't wait to see that.... There are also rumors of similar work being done to the cartoons Pac-Man, Saturday Supercade and Rubik The Amazing Cube.

  • July 20, 2006, 3:06 a.m. CST

    TF Movie Pisstake

    by LittleDudes

    Too cool!

  • July 20, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST

    What I Didn't Know About Michael Bay

    by MarkoOhNo

    He played one of The Frat Boys - a group of "super"villains in Mystery Men. Kinda makes sense somehow.

  • July 20, 2006, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Oh Good God NO!

    by MarkoOhNo

    I'm now convinced that Bay is randomly picking names to play in his little movie. Is he TRYing to perform professional suicide?? I just noticed that he's cast Dane Cook as a lead role in Transformers. If you aren't familiar with the name, watch Mystery Men (as I mentioned in my last post, Bay has an equally bit part in the film.) Dane Cook is "Waffleman". Mildly funny guy but... I am seeing WAYY too many comedians listed in what's SUPPOSEDly a serious film! He has no role attached to his name though... so I can't help but speculate... will he be an Autobot voice? IF I see this film, I will be dragging my expectations along behind me. The sad thing is, even so, I'd probably STILL be disappointed. Somebody please write Mr Spielberg and ask him to check in on the movie he's paying for! I can smell it from here!

  • July 27, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Its all about MONEY

    by Daimon

    Ok, heres the deal Bay. The main body of the truck makes up Prime's torsue, so that has NOTHING to do with his size. All it means is that our beloved Prime will now have a nose sticking out of his chest. Admit it you Swine. Its all about what Peterbuilt paid you to use their crap machine. MONEY MONEY MONEY. Its bad enough that Bumble Bee is suddenly a freaking camaro or something, but to make these excuses for messing up an icon is just inexcusable. Dear God i hope this doesnt happen in the GI Joe film.