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SOPRANOS Delayed!! Plus?? ROME!! CURB!! BIG LOVE!! TRUE BLOOD!! Learn What's Doing With Your Favorite HBO Series!!

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HBO held a Wednesday presentation for the Television Critics Association, and it looks like:

* the next new episode of “The Sopranos” has been pushed to March;

* there are no plans for a third season of “Rome”;

* there’s a possibility “The Wire” could be back for season five; and

* “Curb Your Enthusiasm” (as reported here long ago) will probably be back for season six next year.

Here's how I gather the HBO hourlongs will roll out over the next 18 months:
AUTUMN 2006: “The Wire” 4.x.
WINTER 2007: “Rome” 2.x.
SPRING 2007: “The Sopranos” 6.x Vol. 2.
SUMMER 2007: “Big Love” 2.x.
SUMMER 2007: “sexLife” 1.x (the new relationship drama about couples in therapy from “Roseanne” vet Cynthia Mort).
AUTUMN 2007: “True Blood” 1.x (the new vampire drama from “Six Feet Under” creator Alan Ball).
AUTUMN 2007: “John From Cincinnati” 1.x (the new Hawaii surfing drama from “Deadwood” creator David Milch).

Read all of Variety’s story on HBO’s plans here.









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  • July 13, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Meh

    by Randall Flagg

    It's all for naught without season 3 of Carnivale.

  • July 13, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST

    No third season of ROME?

    by Prometeo

    uh... when was there a second one?

  • July 13, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Any word on that PREACHER series?

    by theoneofblood

    Seriously, that would be the bomb, dawg.

  • July 13, 2006, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Milch is a fucking asshole...

    by Burgundy82

    Hawaii?!? You cocksucker, get your ass back to Deadwood.

  • July 13, 2006, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Entourage??

    by Hell's Cigarette

    I assume this is coming back next summer as well for another season...please tell me I'm right.

  • July 13, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Response to Entourage

    by FreePablo

    I heard they made 20 new episodes for this season and that they will continue showing the first 12 as they're doing now. But they'll show the next 8 along with The Soprano's "Final Eight."

  • July 13, 2006, 1:54 a.m. CST

    It's not good tv. It's HBO.

    by Edison

  • July 13, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST

    There HAS to be a 3rd season of ROME

    by Joel@eeriepa

    Octavian becoming Augustus Ceasar and all that. There's no way that can all happen in season 2, and it's pretty obvious that's the direction they are going. Hell, we better get Egypt vs Rome, or heads will roll. Pax Romana baby.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    No 3rd season of "Rome"?

    by AnnoyYou

    But they're bringing back the supremely boring "Big Love?" I smell another "Six Feet Under" or "Carnivale" -- for some reason HBO likes to back the dogs. I'll stop watching the network after "The Sopranos" and "Rome" end, then.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    HBO doesn't really want to do Rome series 2

    by Praetor

    If they could dump it they would, but they will have mucho costs in cancelling the contract arrangements. I for one think it will be an expensive ramble.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST

    The Wire

    by Lezbo Milk

    You know, The Soprano's, Rome and Deadwood get all the lip service when it comes to shows on HBO, but after watching the first two seasons of The Wire on DVD, I'm thinking this show could be the networks best drama, and hardly anyone I know who has HBO has ever watched a single episode of it. Why is this show not marketed? It's flying completely under the radar. The only criticism I have of the show is, they use the word "fuck" too often. It's kinda funny actually, every character on the show says fuck at least three times in every sentence, and I mean everyone: the cops, the hoods, the crack heads, little old ladies, school girls, everyone.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    I noticed that too, about the Fucking Wire.

    by Nerdgasm

    Typical conversation in The Wire. School girl 1: My fuck'in mom fuck'in made me some motherfuck'in chocolat fuck'in chip cookies beeyatch. School girl 2: Fuck'in "a" sister, you better fuck'in reach in that motherfuck'in sack and fuck'in score me a fuck'in cookie you fuck'in beeyatch, or I'll fuck'in fuck your fuck'in shit up beeyatch! School girl 1's mom: Hey you two fuck'in little ankle biteing fucks, shut the fuck up and fuck'in eat your fuck'in cookies or I'll fuck'in come out there and fuck'in rip your fuck'in ugly fuck'in heads off...you fuck'in little shit stain fucks!

  • July 13, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    The Wire is the best show on TV. Ever.

    by Negator76

    Yep. Better than 'Sopranos', 'Deadwood', or 'Six Feet Under' in its heyday. The most brilliantly nuanced, intelligent, unflinching, funny, wrenching, enlightening, and goddamn REAL of any show, ever. The reason it doesn't get props is that it's probably really difficult to watch in one-hour bites. The show is so methodical in setting up its characterizations and plots, and it's so detail-oriented, that I think it can only be properly watched in big, DVD chunks. Keep in mind that this is coming from someone who hasn't even seen all of Season 3 yet, which is supposedly the best. (Although it comes out next month on DVD, so I plan to spend a good few days, unwashed, sunlight-deprived, and deliriously happy in front of my TV).

  • July 13, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Its not HBO. Its just regular-ass TV.

    by Tall_Boy

    Speaking of Chappelle, I watched the first min and a half of the new episodes, and I found it kind of morbid. Like they were doing a memorial show about an actor who had died. Creepy.

  • July 13, 2006, 3 a.m. CST

    a hawaii surfing drama from the creator of deadwood?

    by newc0253

    so i guess not so much mud, gunfights or whores. will there at least be swearing?

  • July 13, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    a rant...mostly about how Lost sucks...

    by BadMrWonka

    I love Scrubs...what longtime viewers of the show have found out, is that pound for pound, you get more legitimately touching moments on Scrubs than on any of the dramatic shows that HBO and it's ilk have to offer. tying up viewers in convoluted plots that make it so they HAVE to watch to see what happens next, is great, if your a network exec. or a bored housewife (not yet desperate) but that sort of mentality does NOT lead to great shows. Lost, the pile of drivel, is like s dog that keeps chasing it's tail, how long is that cute for? "Lost" is the Real World on an island. a bunch of dumb pretty people that never seem to accomplish anything. Scrubs, West Wing, Arrested Development, and other shows that really develop long term relationships with characters, end up with falling ratings and cult followings. because unfortunately, most people like to turn off their brains at the same time they turn on the TV.

  • July 13, 2006, 4:16 a.m. CST

    The new vampire drama from

    by Fixthe Fernback

    wow..That's the surprise for me! I can't wait for this.

  • July 13, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Bring me the fu*ckin' head Larry

    by jasper Stillwell

    I'm happy as long as David takes his time and gets it absolutely right, be a real shame to add a mediocre 6th series to something which, up to now. has been (almost perfect).

  • July 13, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Big Love The Best Series of The Year

    by Ines5

    Unless something Amazing airs between now and Dec 31st in My Opinion Big Love is The Best New Drama of 2006! I to have Thought a few of the past shows that aired on HBO were overrated but Big Love a True Artistic Success

  • July 13, 2006, 4:40 a.m. CST

    CYB

    by optimus122

    Hmm to me anyway last season was far from perfect. A lot of forced situations and non funny endings to the situations larry got himself into. Certainly IMHO it was the weakest season yet.

  • July 13, 2006, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I meant CYE not CYB

    by optimus122

    NO FRIGGIN EDIT BUTTON SUX

  • July 13, 2006, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Fuck all you losers

    by bipple

    that's about it, if you can't like the wire then http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gAMn7K25S0 deadwood is good, milch likes language, seriously curb season 5 was dreadful and the chappelle thing did feel not morbid but a combo of charlie and donelle helped give that show the bits that made it classic and they were pumped and dave left so this is they're way of saying, wtf man, wasn't only about you, nonetheless it was a good episode, did i mention curb sucked, lost is good for preparing people about the possibility of the poles shifting in 2012, whooo hooo weee, reality t surveilance v like anyone really cares oh yea, fuck you all except the fans of the wire and that nerdgoof, your a racist, you failed (__________________)

  • July 13, 2006, 6:18 a.m. CST

    carnivale?!?!?

    by MonkeyHanger

    no new rome, no new deadwood, no new sopranos til march........why the fudge is there no new carnivale!! so glad i aint a supscription payin american

  • July 13, 2006, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Romey Rome

    by TheJake

    Honestly, I'd need to SEE the 2nd season of Rome before I'd know if I even wanted a 3rd. However, if season 2 is on par with the 1st, I would gladly welcome a 3rd season. I would welcome it, hit it over the head, then rape it. Wait, what was the question?

  • July 13, 2006, 6:48 a.m. CST

    any word on lucky louie?

    by thegimik

    seriously, is it coming back? they need to bring this show back. i haven't laughed this hard on a weekly basis in so long.

  • July 13, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Rome

    by Kizeesh

    I'll be very disappointed if Rome doesn't get picked up again. A historically (fairly) accurate tv show thats educational, amusing and action packed. It was a huge success here in blighty. a 3rd season would be brilliant. I noticed there was some judicious editing between the HBO and UK shown versions of it though. Many Pointless extraneous scenes cut.

  • July 13, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Sopranos pushed back?!

    by Thenedain

    Yeah... who didn't see that one coming. That friggin' show's going to go down in history as being the show that stretches out time between seasons longer than any other. I lost interest in that show back when they took like 3 freakin' years to put out another season. Seems like I've been waiting for this show to run it's course since TV was invented...

  • July 13, 2006, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Oh, and Rome

    by Thenedain

    Rome is the shiznit. Why HBO wouldn't do a third season is beyond me. Like another poster said, it's like the love to back the crappy shows and let their good ones die out; ie Deadwood, Carnivale, Rome, et al. True Blood, eh? A vampire show, you say? I give it two seasons, tops. It could end up with a massive fanbase but HBO will but the kibosh on it anyway. Too bad... there hasn't been a decent vampire show since.... well... ever?

  • July 13, 2006, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Yarg...where's the edit button?!

    by Thenedain

    Yeesh... I should avoid typing 'til I've had my second cup of coffee...

  • July 13, 2006, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Re: Rome

    by Darth Busey

    Fact is this show does not get great ratings in the U.S., and it is outrageously expensive to produce. I'm just glad we are getting a season 2, since even that was in serious doubt. Season 1 was able to wrap up 20+ years of history at once, so I'm confident they can handle the Antony/Octavian/Cleopatra stuff in the course of 12 episodes.

  • July 13, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Bah.

    by ByTor

    I think HBO is trying to see how long they can string subscriptions out. This is ridiculous. If my wife wasn't a fanatic about Sopranos I'd cancel now, but dammit, I like having sex.

  • July 13, 2006, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Rome is a HBO/BBC Co-production

    by emeraldboy

    It was aired in England first where it savaged by critics as being bland beyond belief.

  • July 13, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST

    "Those are some gnarly waves, cocksuckers!"

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    By the look of their upcoming slate, the only reason they're bumping back the Sorpanos is to stem the flow of subscriber cancellations (for a few months, anyways). Yech.

  • July 13, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    bring back carnivale,

    by the sinic

    and if not that, get on the stick with the preacher series already.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Lost interest in Sopranos

    by Uncapie

    Their acting like Dave Stevens when he did the Rocketeer. Take a year to write part two of a story. I've moved on.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Could the necrophilia for Carnivale be any creepier?

    by bunnygrunt

    Let's set the record straight, you necrophiliac love-monkeys. Of all HBO's various red-carpet premium-channel shows, "Carnivale" was bottom-of-the-fishtank bad. Glacially paced, poorly acted, rambling, go-nowhere scripting - a supposdely monumental clash between capital-G "GOOD" and capitabl-B "BAD" that went literally nowhere. For cripe's sake, the hero and his foe never met face-to-face during the entire first season, each just plodding along in their own separate backstories, as if they weren't even in the same series. I mean, a show has serious issues when the best "drama" and "atmosphere" is confined to its opening credits. Quit yer bellyaching you "Carnivale" zombies. Quit choking the life out of any and all HBO talkbacks just because you want this dust-bowl snorefest to have a proper ending.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I had no idea Alan Ball's new show...

    by DanielKurland

    was coming out this soon. Consider me exciting. I don't know, I've really been less than impressed with HBO lately. They used to be a place where you could take a show, and you know it could play there without much interference. But now, with Deadwood Carnivale, and Rome being cancelled prematurely, it's really not that much different. It's just a shame that these producers and showrunners may have a false sense of security. If the shows are too expensive (as was the case with the three aforementioned programs), discuss this with the producers beforehand, and make it work somehow, so these shows don't end a year before they would have resolved storylines.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Bring back HOTEL ROOM...

    by DanielKurland

    I recently just came across this series by Lynch, and goddamn, can Iunderstand why it didn't last, but it makes you wonder why HBO would even put such an experimental, uncomfortable show on to begin with.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    They way i look at the sopranos is

    by emeraldboy

    that the last twelve eps were the calm before the storm. next years final eight will be stormers. i did hear a rumour that the russian mafia are involved. The entire family is going down.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    rome is awesome

    by BLWiseass

    Titus Pollo is the most badass charachter on TV today

  • July 13, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    CURB "probably"?!?!?!?!

    by splat

    NO!!! WHY "PROBABLY"!?! I

  • July 13, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Tonight on Real Sex 71

    by KazamaSmokers

    Albino midgets and German Shepherds. And they're all middle-aged and pudgy.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    milch sucks

    by ZO

    deadwood should go on for a few more yrs disgraceful

  • July 13, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    i switched to Starz after Sopranos ended

    by oscarmike

    looks like i won't have to call Direct TV to reinstall HBO till march

  • July 13, 2006, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Wow I'm running out of reasons to keep HBO

    by DarthMartel

    Most of the shows are suckass and they're not gonna have Rome season 3? Just pitiful.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Ooh. Alan Ball does Vampires.

    by fiester

    That could be cool. Finally some vampires on a cable channel that can get really sick and twisted with sex and gore. And I figure The Sopranos is delayed because they need more time to choreograph the big dream sequence musical numbers that will make up the bulk of the final episodes.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Cowabonga, cocksuckers!!

    by punto

    yeah, it just doesn't sound right..

  • July 13, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The Wire and Entourage are entirely overrated - especially Entourage. Deadwood is by far the most well written show on HBO. It truly is vulgar Shakespeare on a Greek tragedy-type scale. The fact that Milch and HBO both slept on getting everyone back for a 4th season is a shame. Even though they are doing two 2 hour movies to bring it to a close, it deserves a full, final season. What I don't understand is why this is not an option. Now, I never watched Carnivale, yet I understood the fan's feelings when it got axed. And now they are "pre-empting" the demise of Rome. Which brings me to my point: How many times has HBO given the benefit of the doubt and/or bent over for the Sopranos???!!! Seriously, if they can play games with that show's cast and scheduling, they can surely make allowances for shows like Deadwood, etc. Simply because it's the flagship show of the network doesn't make it the only property worth holding onto. Goddamn hoopleheads.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Some thoughts...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The Wire and Entourage are entirely overrated - especially Entourage. Deadwood is by far the most well written show on HBO. It truly is vulgar Shakespeare on a Greek tragedy-type scale. The fact that Milch and HBO both slept on getting everyone back for a 4th season is a shame. Even though they are doing two 2 hour movies to bring it to a close, it deserves a full, final season. What I don't understand is why this is not an option. Now, I never watched Carnivale, yet I understood the fan's feelings when it got axed. And now they are "pre-empting" the demise of Rome. Which brings me to my point: How many times has HBO given the benefit of the doubt and/or bent over for the Sopranos???!!! Seriously, if they can play games with that show's cast and scheduling, they can surely make allowances for shows like Deadwood, etc. Simply because it's the flagship show of the network doesn't make it the only property worth holding onto. Goddamn hoopleheads.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    My apologies for the Double-Post.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

  • July 13, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    caaaaaaarnivale

    by IceySpoons

    the cancellation of carnivale ranks just behind the holocaust and the crack epidemic of the 80's as one of mankind's greatest atrocities. yeah, i said it.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:36 a.m. CST

    I love *Rome* and *Big Love*....

    by lynxpro

    HBO should seriously consider farming out the edited versions of *Rome* to the History Channel to build up a fanbase. Build demand for the "uncut" editions on HBO, iTunes, and DVD/Blu-Ray. What really cheeses me off about non-HD HBO is how they rarely show anything letterboxed. When they show *Rome*, they show it pan&scan mostly, yet its shown letterboxed on Comcast On-Demand. WTF? Hell, with some quick edits, they could do a sneak-peak of *Big Love* on F/X...again to get the word out on that series. Wow, just imagine a limited partnership between F/X and HBO. You could get "uncut" editions of *Rescue Me* and *Nip/Tuck*. It surprises me that nobody at Warners thought about this in terms of *Nip/Tuck* since they make the show and HBO is a sister company. Wait a sec, no it doesn't...typical Warner Bros. "lack of vision" in Palpatine's words.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Another Sopranos pushback

    by Brock Samson

    Why am I not surprised.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST

    No more Rome makes sense... The Roman Empire

    by modlight

    really didn't last that long, so I don't know how much they could really pull from it. Seriously though Rome's first episode was beyond beliefe, then in the second episode from when Pullo rammed that knife through the guys throat out of nowhere during the dice game to the last shot of the series it was the best show on television. Everyone needs to rent the DVD and stick with it through the first two episodes to get the characters and I give you my personal guarantee that you'll love it. ITs way better than the sopranos because they never have the "We're playing mobsters, but we're really NYC theater actors so give us some serious 'acting' scenes and maybe a little avante garde so we don't get typecast" bullcrap. ROME is tough as nails.

  • July 13, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I meant Bland Beyond Beliefe a'la the comment above.

    by modlight

    sorry

  • July 13, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    how can the wire be overrated if it ain't even rated?

    by emu47

    Apart from this talkback, I hardly hear any love for this show--which, anyway, I don't feel *could* be overrated. I'm watching season 3 now as it re-airs, and it's getting me going again. I still don't know if they'll ever be able to hit me as hard as they did in the final episodes of season 1 ("Where's Wallace at? Where the fuck is Wallace at?")--but they certainly have room to. Season 2 sort of strayed from the main plot, which is all right, but really? I'm happy season 3 is more focused on the season 1 characters.

  • July 13, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Rome is kickass

    by movieman742

    And I don't understand why they won't be doing a third season. Everyone that has at least watched it says it's great it is just that there aren't many people watching it. And the second season of Rome only has 10 episodes, not 12.

  • July 13, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I'm so shocked!

    by OBSD

    No! HBO pushed back Sopranos? It's so out of character for them! Anyways, I stopped caring about most HBO shows since they cancelled Carnivale. A good friend of mine works under Chris Albrecht and can't stop kissing his ass. After I heard about the cancelation of Carnivale, I emailed her, begging her to talk to that asshat. Her reply was a form letter saying shit like "We still have quality progamming like Sporanos next year and Rome this fall." I haven't spoken to her since.

  • July 13, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    TCA scoop: CW on Monday, w/Gilmore & Veronica panels..

    by paulh

    As in that network's presentation at the summer press tour. I want an episode of Deadwood to break out as Lauren Graham, Kristen Bell and President Botox's #1 fan (Rob Thomas, and crikey, did he diss Geena Davis in a talk with TV Guide's Michael Ausiello; saying that she was good in the Accidental Tourist, but not since then, or words to that effect. It's on the Ask Ausiello part of TV Guide.com. I want Deadwood-esque language to be flowing like Eminem raps, NC-17, as they tear the Emmys a new one for screwing them again. :)

  • July 13, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Book 'em, Dan-o, you fuckin' hooplehead.

    by Darth Bauer

    KEEP DEADWOOD ALIVE!!!

  • July 13, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST

    the wire getting a 5th season :)

    by fried samurai

    Well somebody must be watching The Wire or at least buying alot of the dvd's.Best show on the tube period.Glad its not ending anytime soon.

  • July 13, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST

    by Rufus_T_Firefly

    Wow. I could do this all day...

  • July 13, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST

    All my favorite HBO series...

    by calami-shami

    Have been cancelled. So fuck you HBO.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    An Adult Vampire show could work.

    by Nicky Butane

    As long as there's a resonable amount of action and full frontal nudity.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    the reason they're pushing back Sopranos

    by durhay

    They're still working on that Vito-Finn scene. It'll probably be used in a dream sequence somehow.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    oh..

    by Quin the Eskimo

    Deadwood is exiting this mortal coil? Motherfucking dirt worshiping cocksuckers, those ignorant HBO savages. Swearengen! Cocksucker! San Fransisco! It's enough to lay a man up for a considerable while while recovering from considerable trauma. AND ENTOURAGE IS AWESOME those that doubt must watch the Bob Saget episode.."Don't you fuck 'em don't you fuck my daughters Vince

  • July 13, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed the Sopranos.....

    by chromedome

    ...years ago, but gave up on them with all the delays. I will wait until they finish the whole frickin series, and get the dvds so I can watch on my own schedule. No monthly subscription profits for HBO from me!

  • July 13, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The Wire

    by weebay

    The only character on the Wire who doesn't curse is stickup artist Omar.

  • July 13, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Better than "Angel"? We'll see Mr. Ball.

    by cookylamoo

  • July 13, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST

    The Wire is good.... Oz was the best.

    by ZsAsZz

    I know Oz was at least given a final season where most loose ends were tied up (unlike Carnivale), so i had closure, but I just can't get any newer HBO series to measure up to it. Long live OZ.

  • July 13, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Sopranos got delayed?

    by Liberty Valance

    What a colossal fucking shock. I love that show more than my own flesh and blood, but I will be elated when it's finally fucking over. Piss on David Chase's snail-paced writing/development time and the incessant contract disputes by the cast. And I want tragedy of Shakespearean proportions at the end of this show; nothing less will suffice. I want A.J. and Meadow dead. I want Chrissy to whack Tony at their funeral and take over the business. Everyone is expendable. You owe us Chase. Fuck you if you pussy out.

  • July 13, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Sopranos delayed. In other breaking news...

    by paulh

    The sun rises in the east and sets in the west. And Comedy Central is finally reairing Trapped in the Closet on 7/19, the South Park that had Herr Cruise and his 'tologists in a major-league snit.

  • July 13, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    mr rubadoux died

    by newc0253

    doesn't that rate a talkback on this site? not even on coax?

  • July 13, 2006, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Let me just say it: FUCK John form Cincinnati

    by eppdude

    If it means Deadwood is no more - which it does. Milch is on my shit list now.

  • July 13, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    the delay isn't even the biggest news, imho ...

    by Toe Jam

    subtly snuck into the closing paragraph of the story i read on cnn.com is the fact that hbo will soon be offering episodes of its original shows on hbo in demand a full SIX DAYS before they premiere on actual hbo. i'll probably resist that temptation, though, as i'd rather wait and watch in HD.

  • July 13, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST

    a bad season of curb is still

    by slappy jones

    better than two and a half dads,I met your mother,new advenmtures of old christine,king of queens and scrubs combined.....Sure as a whole it wasn't as good as it has been but the lsebian/muslim episode was one of the very best..for me anyway. I wonder if comedy central are playing the cruise episode now since mission impossible 3 has been and gone.....cruise did the promo..the film didn't do that great and now paramount are thinking fuck him?

  • July 13, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    My Last Post - An Apology: By Slappy Jones

    by slappy jones

    My last post quite possibly contained the poorest use of the english language in all of message board history. I apologise to anyone who actually read it.

  • July 13, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Homicide: Life on the Street

    by Colonel Kane

    Best TV Drama ever

  • July 13, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST

    The Problem with Deadwood

    by GoonF

    I read an article in The Philly Inquier that Deadwood costs 5 million an episode and because of that it might not be back for a fourth season. Notice that Herc's article says nothing of Deadwood not coming back. It's just not coming back between now and Autumn 2007

  • July 13, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Homicide: Was indeed an awesome show...

    by Negator76

    ...and has aged extremely well. the first,second, and fourth seasons are all amazing. But it was network, and wasn't as consistently terrific as 'The Wire'. Many of the writers and creative personnel from 'Homicide' graduated to 'Wire'. That shouldn't be surprising, given the high quality of both shows and the similarity of their subject matter. Speaking of which, what the fuck happened to Andre Braugher's career? I would kill to see Det. Frank Pembleton, or Lieut. Al Ghiardello show up on 'Wire'.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Andre has a show on FX called Steal I think

    by SamuraiJackBaur

    We don't get FX in Canada. I was a huge fan of Homicide, taped each episode off Bravo before DVD's came around, damn expensive dvd's but the show is so worth the time. Personal faves: the highway killer who had a surprise twin, Andre trying to come back after a stroke, the last scene between Frank and Bayliss on the series fanale. Great show. Wish the Wire as affordable on DVD too.

  • July 13, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST

    I Agree. The Wire Is The Best TV Show Of All Time

    by DrTobiasFunke

    Don't believe? Rent/buy/steal Season 1 and 2 on DVD. Season 3 is due on DVD in about 3 weeks. Still not convinced? Do a search for "the wire reviews." It's actually quite painful to watch shows like The Sopranos after watching something as wonderfully crafted as The Wire. Every single character has an arc and it's amazing how everything ties together suring the course of a season. From what I'm hearing, Season 4 will be the best one yet. For those that don't know, Season 1 focused on the war between cops and the drug dealers of west Baltimore. Season 2 focused on the ports of Baltimore and the extinction of the longshoremen. Season 3's focus moved back to the streets, but this time included the political process and how much it plays a part in everything. Season 4 will focus on the educational situation and how much it plays a part in the drug community. Season 5 if/when it happens will focus on the media's role and the perceptions it creates about the drug trade in the streets of Baltimore. Everyone who considers themselves a fan of television or movies owes it to themselves to check out this series. There's nothing better on television.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Andre's FX show was called THIEF, and it has not been

    by eppdude

    Picked up for another season as of yet. It only ran about six eps. But I agree-a tremendous actor.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    GOONF: Deadwood is not in Herc's article because...

    by eppdude

    HBO and Milch have already announced that after season three they will just do a four-episode finale for the show and be done with it. So it's not coming back. HBO and Milch would rather pour their money into a surfing show. Fucking cocksuckers.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Oh fuck

    by Veraxus

    I didn't realize the second season of Carnivale was so close. I'm goddamn broke. And Rome is like a month away too... and there's that sexy V for Vendetta Special Edition too. Also, HBO sent my ISP a scary email for downloading Deadwood. Assholes. I Tivo every episode but Tivo put it on my PSP. Stop threatening your customers... and cancelling all your best shows. What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you even want subscribers any more? Do you want to stay in buisness?

  • July 13, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Carnivale, Rome, and Deadwood

    by Veraxus

    Carnivale was supposed to have a three season run, Deadwood was supposed to have a four season run, and Rome was supposed to be a single season only. Instead, Carnivale and Deadwood get axed prematurely and we get another slapped-together Rome series that can in no way live up to the greatness of the original... and yet some of you whine about not getting a third Rome series? Jesus, people - it was OVER. It should have been left in peace. Carnivale fans will never feel the closure that Rome fans felt at the conclusion of the first season. We got fucked in the second act.

  • July 14, 2006, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Sopranos Delay?

    by sambrook

    Bah. As has been said no big surprise but still frustrating. I love that show to bits but, as I've been waiting for the big finish since the beginning when it was only planned to be four season long... then they added a fifth and talk of a movie... then a sixth... then the "extra episodes (but no movie)... And so many of the last few episodes have felt like filler as they move into the final sprint. The last truly great episode was the Ralph death back in Season 4 - not just because it was a whacking (I'm not one of those fans who demands bloodshed every week) but because of how brilliantly done the entire episode was. There have been great moments since then - Chris' drugs intervention, Tony and Carmela's seperation, Adriana's capping, Buscemi, Tony's shooting, parts of the Vito storyline - and the quality of the show is consitently better than almost all other programming but cmpared to the powerhouse first three seasons, the last three just feel like they've slowed down and, occasionally, tried so hard to be high culture and battle against those who dismiss it purely as a gangster show, that it verges on pretentious. Seasons 5 and 6 were good but I pray that the final 8 get back to true classic greatness. I want tragedy, horror, dramatic irony and catharsis by the bucketload. It's a brilliant show and an all-time classic but I just want to know how it all ends.

  • July 14, 2006, 9:02 a.m. CST

    HBO

    by crackerfarmboy

    They better let the Wire go all 5 seasons. True Blood looks interesting. The Sopranos is a mercy kill at this point. They better get creating on new HBO dramas in a hurry. Because by the end of '07 they'll only have 1 left (Big Love). Oh and Big Love rocks.

  • July 14, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Brilliant move, HBO.

    by Chest_Rockwell

    Yeah, let's get rid of the good shit and bring in bad shit, like some surf story and some newfangled vampire nonsense. Yeah, cancel Sopranos, Rome and Deadwood. Three of your best series ever. At least they kept big love. And where is another season of fucking Cathouse? HBO is really starting to piss me off. Me and Brock are gonna have to pay them a little visit. And they better tell us, where the fuck Ringo is. Chest, OUT!

  • July 14, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    first

    by matrix69

    not really. But informative story nonetheless.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    HBO Has No Future

    by _Maltheus_

    I guess who needs Rome when it's happening all around us. I think this "HBO problem" is a problem I'm seeing in many industries. It's a general paralysis that keeps anybody from moving forward. You either have the initiative and momentum, or you stagnate into nothing of consequence. After the Sopranos came out, HBO was obsessed with finding the "next Sopranos". Kind of reminds me of poor people who inherit $1000 only to blow it all on lottery tickets, hoping to get "rich" again, instead of truly investing it in something worthwhile. ..... Carnivale was one thing, Deadwood is quite another. And BTW, it was my understanding that Carnivale was suppose to be 6 seasons (3 two season stories). Rome is the icing on the cake. It really seems like someone is trying to sabotage things over there, but I suppose it's just incompetence. I'll be canceling HBO after this run of Deadwood. In this age of downloads, there's no point in resigning up just for the last four (of Sopranos or Deadwood). .......... Rome is real good (after a slow start), but I didn't expect it to last beyond season 2. They don't have enough money now, and after the fiascos of this year, they will never have that kind of money again. DVD was still new when the Sopranos came out, so they were still coasting on an old business model. Original shows are what put them on the map these past seven years. Now that they've killed that goose, their future is bleak. They too, will feel the pain of cancellation.

  • July 14, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    HBO

    by johnnylong

    HBO doesn't give a flying fuck about their subscribers.I was fucking livid when those jerkoffs announced Deadwood wasn't going to have a 4th season.At least they have the fucking decency to wrap the series up with two 2 hour movies.I'll be crying like a pussy when it's all over.Also, nice to see that cocksucker Capt. Turner get his fucking eyeball ripped out by Dan Dority.I'd like to do that to a few of the HBO execs......

  • July 14, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST

    kinda pissed about Deadwood, too..

    by Rinse

    I liked Carnivale, but I love Deadwood.. And for the first time I truly feel like HBO fucked its customers. At this point I actually don't have a lot of hope for those two-hour movies to ever see the light of day. Thanks, HBO. Expect one less customer soon.

  • July 14, 2006, 8:38 p.m. CST

    HBO: It's not just series, but UFC???

    by paulh

    A gander at http://tinyurl.com/g4rrr shows the Ultimate Fighting Championship grand poobahs are engaged in talks with HBO to air pay-cable matches, along with their deal with Spike TV (Ultimate Fighter) and PPV's. This story was broken by the Wrestling Observer Newsletter. Thoughts?

  • July 14, 2006, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I don't know.

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Whether I think The Wire or Deadwood is the best show on tv often depends on which one I saw last. The last episode of season three of The Wire might be the best episode of television I've ever seen. The scenes between Stringer Bell and Avon Barksdale were heartbreaking and heartwarming and ironic all at once. But the conclusion of the second season of Deadwood, with the dancing and hanging and Al just watching over it all was almost mythic, a snowball globe of the west the way it should have been. Yeah, HBO's done some damn good tv. But it's hard not to suspect it may be coming to an end.

  • July 15, 2006, 1:32 a.m. CST

    The Wire...

    by Negator76

    Yeah, jayjew, I agree. It's hard to take these complaints seriously when HBO is renewing their best series, even though most of these dorks have never even watched it. I mean, I love Sopranos and Deadwood, but The Wire is simply the greatest TV ever produced. 'HBO is a bunch of heartless suits who don't care about quality TV! What's that? They're renewing the little-seen, seldom sung series that is almost universally praised as the high water mark of television? Does it have a lot of romanticized violence set to pop music? Then I'm not interested.' Meanwhile, they'll sit through two seasons of that drag-ass 'Carnivale'. 'The Wire' takes time and your attention, but it actually REWARDS you for paying atteniton, instead of using 7/8ths of its running time to set up a plot that could probably be told in about three hours, max. I mean, I liked 'Carnivale', but (the first season) was really annoyingly, unnecessarily slow. It didn't even use the down time to build interesting characters, but had a lot of lame, half-assed subplots with no payoffs. I wish people would stop eating that show's ass. It was beautifully shot, with some nice creepy moments, but it was full of gas most of the time.

  • July 15, 2006, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Another delay for Sopranos?

    by Nabster

    Jesus Fuck, there has to be a limit to how much they are going to delay this beaten puppy.

  • July 15, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    What!? No Rome?

    by fitzcarraldo2

    Fuck. I love that show.

  • July 15, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Not that some of us don't care about The Wire..

    by Rinse

    I also quite enjoy The Wire. But AFAIK The Wire was never promised as a show w/ a pre-determined number of seasons. The Wire had enough of a reslution for me after last season if it never came back. What bugs people about Deadwood is that we know before hand it was designed as a show w/ four seasons. We invest our time into a show, love it, and to have it end 3/4 into the story.. Well, fuck HBO. I can get this kind of treatment watching FOX, w/ a lot less time invested, too. :P

  • July 15, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    UNSCRIPTED was the BEST HBO SHOW EVER!!!

    by Thunderballs

    That's right, better than the Sopornos, better than Cockwood, better than Boring Love, better than all of them. So of course it was cancelled. Unscripted was brilliant and realistic, someething HBO seems to disdane these days.

  • July 15, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Gandolfini's Knee Surgery Reason For Sopranos Delay

    by sambrook

    At least according to imdb.com (http://tinyurl.com/z7345) - "The final season of TV mob drama The Sopranos has been delayed to allow actor James Gandolfini to recover from knee surgery. The actor's "unexpected" surgery comes just weeks after he took a tumble from his scooter after colliding with a taxi in New York City - and insiders claim the operation is related to that incident. And the surgery means Gandolfini won't be recovered in time for the planned debut of the final season in January - so bosses at American network HBO have decided to delay the last episodes for two months. But HBO chairman Chris Albrecht insists the finale will be worth the wait: "I know the story lines for the final eight (shows), and I am absolutely positively certain that when the curtain comes down on The Sopranos, the vast majority of people will say it's one of the greatest things of all time." " Well at least it's not another staff pay dispute. And I hope they're right about it being that good, it has more than enough pedigree in its cast and crew to make it a genuine television event.

  • July 15, 2006, 7:15 p.m. CST

    LAST!

    by paulh

  • July 16, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    To those non-Wire watchers:

    by Chest_Rockwell

    I was just like you. Until yesterday. I love Soprano's, Deadwood, Rome, and Big Love. I too am saddened that three of those four series are ending. Never watched OZ, Sex in the City, 6FU, or carnivale. Never watched The Wire, either, until yesterday. I had seen Wire on before, but never got into it, because I didn't see it from the start, didn't know who was who, why stuff was happening, the dynamics between the characters, etc. BUT, on HBO On Demand, you can watch ALL of the 1st Season of the Wire. And I started watching it. The first episode, there was a shitload of stuff going on, characters being introduced, etc. It WAS a bit confusing. BUT, when I then watched the second and third episodes, it all starts to become understandable. And after having watched the first 6 or 7 episodes yesterday, I can say I'm truly HOOKED. So, for those HBO fans who are overlooking The Wire (because it seems it gets no respect from non-fans, the media, hbo in the form of hype, etc), my suggestion is to go, right now, and start watching season 1 from teh start. And give yourself a couple of episodes to get comfortable with the scope of it. You WILL be entertained, and more likely HOOKED on it like I am. Me and Brock are now gonna go have some beers with McNulty. Chest OUT!!

  • July 16, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Paulh

    by crackerfarmboy

    Wow the UFC and HBO...together? That's sick! The only tv I watch is HBO Sunday nights and The Ultimate Fighter. Now put the two together and I won't ever have to change the channel (except to watch Mets games).

  • July 16, 2006, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Thank you, Chest.

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Not much brightens my day more than a new Wire convert. You just wait until you get to the last four episodes of season three.

  • July 17, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Cool it ya Hoopleheads.

    by Mechakong

    Hey every one let's calm the fuck down shall we? I am a major fan of Deadwood and treat each new episode as a special "can't miss moment", but even I see it's natural conclusion coming. The show is about the process of civilization coming to the wilderness, like the very best westerns it's about the inevitable crush of the modern making ghosts of true outlaws. Now that the camp has a newspaper, a bank, a school and a sheriff, what's left? Once the whole Hearst storyline is resolved the series will have nowhere to go but backwards. Let it go. I have similar feelings about Rome which is even more beholdened to history and therefore has less wiggle room. I had zero intrest in Big Love before it started but I gave it a try and fell for it, and think it's just as good as SFU at it's peak. The Wire is genius, Lucky Louie is strong and there is a new season of Extras coming to the BBC and hopefully here, and the ever sharp Bill Maher is coming back soon. No other network has had the vision to offer such visionary, rich and mature entertainment and it's done alot to raise the games of nets like FX. I've found that HBO tends to make the right call on killing crap,like Unscripted Mind of the Married Man and Carnivale[sorry], with Arli$$ being a notable exception. Yes the wait for Sopranos is too long, and they need more in the pipeline but quality sometimes comes slowly.Since the brilliant Larry Sanders show they've consistently given us some of the best the medium has to offer so I'm willing to trust them.

  • July 19, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Season 2 of The Wire........

    by Chest_Rockwell

    might even be better than season 1. This show is awesome. I can't believe I was in the dark about it for so long.

  • July 19, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I would love to like the Wire...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...but I could just never get into it. I trust in people's positive image of it though. I might try it again on DVD someday. But I don't know that it'll ever take. I just don't like cop shows. Cops, doctors and lawyers are for network TV. Rome, Carnivale, Deadwood and the Sopranos are "HBO-Like" shows. ..... I've heard several say that Rome has nowhere to go. Are you kidding??? There are endless stories to be told. Almost any chapter of I, Claudius could translate into a full season of intrigue. There are still hundreds of years of history to go, following Julius Ceaser.