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UPDATED! Henry Jones Jr. has a daughter? Marion Ravenwood seems to think so...
Hey folks. Quint here again. I've gotten tons of emails about this story, most saying it's just a rehash of the same old rumor that's been floating around. I know the rumor of Portman in the sequel was an old one, but I also knew the rumor of Venom being a villain in Spider-Man 3 was an old one when Kirsten Dunst let it slip, so I figured it was worth a little space on the site.
One of the emails I got, though, was from another person in the audience who claims that a vital bit of information was missing from the report we got, that Karen Allen said she got this piece of information from an audience member at a previous appearance she made, not some inside knowledge of the property. Oh well, same old story, but at least it's cool to hear Karen Allen is out there watching the movie with us... Now, if she'd only come to the Alamo and run a triple feature of RAIDERS, ANIMAL HOUSE and SCROOGED I would be a happy geek!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with another juicy rumor involving that forever in the works INDIANA JONES 4. As long as the film has been whispered about there have been rumors of Indy having a child. Karen Allen recently attended a screening of RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK in New York (how frickin' cool is that?) and during the Q&A she was asked about the Indiana Jones sequel. Here's a little report from a spy in the audience:
Hey there, not sure if this is something you've already heard, but figured i'd send it your way anyhow. Saw Karen Allen tonight in NYC at a screening of Raiders. She did a Q&A after and was super cool. She's also still pretty hot. Someone asked about her involvement in INDY IV and she said she'd heard a lot of rumors but had not been approached directly yet. But she also said she just heard last night that Natalie Portman might be cast as INDY'S Daughter. Which lead her to speculate about a scene in Raiders when she awakens in the submarine and casually grabs her nightgown. Karen said that now she sees that scene and wonders if she and Indy had a "wild night" on the sub which might have resulted in a new member of the Jones family. Anyways hope you find this useful. If you use it please call me President George Bush.
Thinking on it, Natalie Portman looks like she could be the spawn of Karen Allen and Harrison Ford. She has Allen's locks and a bit of her face shape. This is, of course, a rumor and will continue to be one until this project actually starts to for real go forward. I, for one, would love to see Indy end up with Marion. She was always his best partner, balancing his stubbornness with her quick wit and sharp tongue. If the movie does get made I'd want to see them together again. What about you folks?
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It's well established in Indiana Jones lore that he has a daughter. Theres an appearance by his grandson "Spike" in an episode of the Young Indiana Jone Chronicles. However it's the same episode that aired in The U.S. here as part of the Mystery of the Blues movie with a harrison Ford wraparound instead so we didn't get to see it.
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I don't know why, but somehow this choice "clicked" with me. I could easily see Portman as Indy's daughter. For some reason I also think that she would have good chemistry with Ford. I would have gone with an unknown, but if they want to cast a star, Portman seems like a really good choice.
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I just want them to just pull the fucking trigger already and do this movie. They keep waiting and everyone they need to do it (Ford, Connery, Lucas, Speilberg, etc)will be dead. But i bet if Lucas is still around, he will try for the CGI Ford, Connery...
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was by far the hottest Indy babe. I hope she has a major role in the movie.
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Not unless Shorty comes back, that is.
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And you see Portman has this Dog and he can talk to her and only she can understand him and they could all go on adventures together with her dad and her Mum and his Dad and...... Why not stick to what works best?
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I got nuthin. Help me out.
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This movie is never gonna be made, at the rate there going. Get a move on people, Mr Ford ain't getting any younger either.
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Um... thats all I got. Except to say ths movie probably shouldn't get made.
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okay, maybe that wouldn't work as a title, but something along those lines.
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.. the same show quotes two titles:
Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis
and Indiana Jones and the ravages of Time...
Both suck. They also said Capshaw and Marion might be in the next one along with Jet Li playing Short Round. No joke
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I can't help but looking forward to this one. "Munich" obviously proved that Mr. Spielberg is still capable of something, right? To Bobo_Vision: what's wrong with Portman's acting in Garden State? I don't think a lot of people would agree with you on that...
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...I supported you all through the Star Wars Prequels and in spite of the fact that I put up with all the criticisms I still love those films. But the fact of the matter is that Star Wars has so much to it that there's a lot of room for you to play around in, Indiana Jones is not the same. If you don't intend on making the fucking god damn best Jones film so far then please reconsider and don't make this film. At the same time if the time spent writing this movie is anywhere indicative of the film that you're intending on making then please knock my dick off. Just saying, -Az
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was great.
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...who wants to restart a franchise a generation after it was popular now? Star Wars was the exception..
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The other two love interests were horrible and brought down the quality and enjoyment of the movies singlehandedly.
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Natalie was fine in Garden State. Shut the fuck up. But anyway, as long as we get to see Nat crackin' around a bullwhip, I'll mail Steve and George my ten bucks right now. Hot damn!
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And I'm out!
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every minute in my life i'm expecting and anticipating indyIV rumors, but this is just ridiculous. it would've been cool, though, to have a an even longer and more complex coverage of the NY q&a. still cool, to read this little report. as a matter of fact this rumor of natalie portman is just as old as the rumor about kevin costner as indy's brother.
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It also said that eithr Jet Li or Jackie Chan will be Short Round and that there will be no CGI. I call bullshit.
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Didn't Jones Sr and Jones Jr share a German chick in Last Crusade? Ooh, what if it's HER daughter...and what it it turns out to be Jones Sr's daughter? Ooooh, this is Jerry Springer material!
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(by another liason) can be a cross dresser. During the course of searching for a relic (Ford's movie respect) they learn the true meaning of 'family'. It's got everything!
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Raiders belongs in the pantheon of Great Movies, but the series died with Temple of Doom. Lil' ninja sidekick? Stereotypical blonde screamer as love interest? Then Indy's DAD? This series didn't need a 2 or 3, much less a 4.
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that goddamn script... as far as marion is concerned she(and karen allen) is also my favorite, which is not hard as she's the only woman in the series that really has somewhat of a personal relationship based connection with indy. contrary to that elsa and willie are just sex toys for the adult archeologist, who seems to mistaken that for love. due to the fact that there's a pretty intense history to their relationship i'd look forward to a reunion filled with complications and tensions. however i think that the box office of dead man's chest could indicate that there's a hunger for traditional, old fashioned action adventure thrill ... i found it to be rather shocking to hear lucash using the word "struggling" when he was referring to the development of indyIV on connery's afi lta show. i'm wondering what the problem with the story is now...as the script first was set to be finished until the end of 2005. do we know for sure that koepp is still working on it? i just hope that lucas' hybris doesn't have a big part in the screenwriting process and that he's got his hands off that thing...
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And no, Natalie Portman does *not* look particularly like she could be the daughter of Indy or Marion. She resembles neither one of them. However, she has a big name and is already associated with another big movie franchise, so I guess none of it matters..... This reminds me of the time Gandalf was rumored to take over the Dumbledore role. Only in that case, it was baseless speculation from unimaginative drone-like movie-goers. This however, is probably real, since this still is George Lucas' property. If they were making this movie 7 years ago, people would be getting all excited about the possibility of Leonardo DeCaprio taking over the Indy role.
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Indy has 2 daughters played by Scarlet Johansen and Jessica Biel... and also, Indy's 2 daughters played by Scarlet Johansen and Jessica Biel are constantly making out with each other...
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in the cargo ship, instead of the submarine? Or did I miss something?
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Marion gave birth to Jedi twins.
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and, i'm sorry, but i'm going to be cracking up thinking about indy and the werther's originals all day.
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...this means we're gonna get more of Speilberg venting his daddy issues.
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but WHY can Natalie & Luc Besson begin production on "Mathilda".......?
I've been jonesin' (pardon the pun) for a sequel to "Leon" for a decade and a half!
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Portman is so over-rated. She's made 2 good movies at best. THis frnchise is finished
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Is there an original movie in the works that is action/adventure, NOT based on a video game or cartoon, NOT a sequel, NOT based on a comic book or regular novel, that seems to have a chance of not sucking? I mean, I understand that a good movie is a good movie, sequel or not, and I know that all movies have inspiration of some form or another, but I'm ready for something remotely new.
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Unless she got a free ride at wherever he teaches. Seriously, if Lucas has his way with this one, she'll probably be named Henriette Jones, III. Or maybe it's George's way of redeeming her from the shit acting fest of the SW Prequels...giving her to Spielberg to do a real (good) blockbuster with.
That being said, I think this rumor is shit and Karen Allen is just being paid by the studio to disseminate false leads on what it's going to be about. The real script is going to be Indiana Jones and the Moon Men who Kidnap Marion -
if she's naked. Scrubbers!
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... and the idea of the writer of Episode's 1-3 having script approval makes my skin crawl. I can see it now - "Hold me, like you did by the exploding tank".
If Lucas holds this up for too much longer, it's gonna be "Indiana Jones and the Curse of Depends". -
It could work!
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What's Harrison gonna do? Use his Zimmer frame to escape the death traps? He's old enough to be Portman's grandfather, let alone father. And didn't we already have a female Indiana Jones-type character in that god-awful series with Tia Carrere? As much as I like Natalie Portman (though that still seems pervy after seeing her first in Leon), I can't see her as a swashbuckling adventuress. Still, she couldn't be any less convincing than Keira Twice-Nightly in Pirates of the Crapibean
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Capshaw absolutely sucked, and I couldn't even tell you who the chick in the third one was...I think she was blonde? I don't really care about a fourth movie, I'd just as soon they not make it. But if they do, Portman would be fine. She's done a good job in every movie I've seen her in except Star Wars, and hell, even Sammy Jax looked like he couldn't act in those.
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I agree with the posters above, the film maker and Ford have lost most of their credibility already. This doesn't sound like it will help them.
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Fools. Bureaucratic fools. Screw Space! Fuck Lincoln and give the people what they want! Please before Harry Ford is in diapers and mumbling for his blanky.
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"...she awakens in the submarine and casually grabs her nightgown."
WRONG!!! Marion and Indy were not on a submarine, jackass. They were on Katanga's cargo ship. ANYONE who's seen Raiders would know this, so take this story with a grain of salt, because it's crap. -
I'm so glad there is an absoulte dearth of new, undiscovered acting talent these days that we have to use the same broad over and over again. OK, I did enjoy Sandra Locke in all those Clint Eastwood films in the late 70's...but she's aged a bit much. How about some FRESH TALENT, GUYS! I'll bet you could even save a couple o' bucks and use it writing a descent fucking script. Just a though...
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Please.
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Haha, this kid out of wedlock thing is becomming quite popular.
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Jul 10, 2006 10:51:48 AM CDT
That was on the ship that the sub hijacked, not the sub
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It was the ship's engines stopping (because of the sub) and Indy loading his pistol that woke Marion up. (Unless they managed to get hold of the captain's cabin on the sub as well, in which case between Indy and Belloq, that must have been a wild trip for Marion to that little island. No wonder she looked so tired on the march up to the altar ceremony.)
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Indiana Jones and the dead beat dad.
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Portman has already contributed greatly to the lameness of the Star Wars prequels. She is far too wooden to bring on board an Indiana Jones movie. Natalie Portman is one of those inexplicably well-regarded actresses like Winona Ryder and Jennifer Connelly who, while hot-looking, have no inner life on screen. I hope this is just a rumor. Also... if Indiana Jones has a daughter, fine. But if she's played by a big star, then she'll have a big part. And do we really want to see THAT story...?
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Rapidly Disinterested Fanbase.
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except in Leon....she is sooooo overrated.
terrible idea.
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...by performance in a Star Wars movie. As someone else said, even Sam Jackson sucked the purple saber in that, and he's God. Snakes on a muthafuckin plane, muthafucka!
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Jeez, Ford's a SENIOR CITIZEN already! The boat sailed on this movie YEARS ago. He's too old, period.
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Portman's hot, but she's not a great actress (likewise Winona and Connelly) and we DON'T need another parent/child movie. Just keep it a simple adventure film like the original. And isn't Harrison going to be near 70 by the time this thing starts shooting? Wouldn't Portman have to be in her 40's-50's in order to be his daughter?
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It's over. Let it go George. The Phantom Menace seemed like it took an eternity to be released after Return of the Jedi, and it's already been longer than that since The Last Crusade. Raiders of the Lost Ark is my favorite film of all-time, and I would have liked to see another installment, but the fact that they can't come up with a good script after 17 years says a lot. Just read Indiana Jones and the Saucermen from Mars to see how horrible this fourth film could be.
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...I ask thee today to please, PLEASE stop this movie from coming to fruition. I will devote my life to thee if you only, in your infinite wisdom, would see it in Your heart to kill this movie dead, for it threatens to sucketh greatly. In Spielberg's name we pray, Ah-men.
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I don't care how it turns out, I just want to see it. I would accept just about ANY storyline they come up with. I would accept a sole Lucas writing credit - that's how desperate I want them to just SHOOT the fucker.
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Indy: Hey Marion, I've got one for you.
Marion: We really don't have time this...
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That's exactly what I was trying to get at! Thanks for the add in.
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Yeah, I pretty much just co-opted your joke. Semen of Mis-Fortune is a fantastic pulp fiction title.
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I think we can safely assume the scooper was referring to the ship and not the sub. I don't see how his casual choice of words completely negates the rumour. All the same, this is still a rumour that's been around for a few years. So either Karen just happened to read/hear about it, or it's an idea that still under consideration at some level.
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yes i was at the screening of raiders. i meant to say the cargo ship instead of the sub. simple mistake. but this story is what karen allen said.
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on the motherf---ing plane?"
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Natalie Portman's Small but Perky Tits...
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I appreciate anyone thinking my joke was good enough to be co-opted. I would really love to see the cover art or one sheet for "Semen of Mis-Fortune".
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she also told about how the scene with the white dress and belloq was originally meant to be a "seduction" scene between marion and belloq, but karen thought it would be out of charecter for marion to suddenly go from bad ass woman to simply a pretty girl trying to be damsel in distress. so speilberg told her that if she came up with a better idea for that scene (her problem was "why would i have a white dress in the desert?") should be then he'd use it. her idea was to have a reprise of the drinking scene (therefore still being a badass) and trying to get belloq drunk so she could escape. the white dress then served a "purpose" because it would allow her to hid the knife in her regular clothes. speilberg loved the idea and so that's what they filmed.
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they handle it the right way. Portman is great to look at and is good in certian roles. (The Professional) She doesn't seem to have the right stuff to be Indy's daughter. Also, if this movie is going to be packed with action, Ford can't be in the center of it. Fine if he helps from the sidelines, but he can't be invloved in any fist fights. He could if it were another "Bridge" scene in a Nazi retirement home. He punches his partner for laying down the wrong card. "I said, "Hearts"!"
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as the wisecracking yet jovial milkman who happens to have a passing interest in the location of the lost city of Atlantis.
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first Superbastard and now Indy bastard. WTF is with all these damn characters having kids to get in the way with what we all want to see. Fuck this shit already. I've seen what lame ass children can do to a damn storyline. Let this fucker die in the womb already. Fuckin' retards
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Because the way I remember it... Indy passed the fuck out.
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2nd time's the charm.
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Damn, our classic heroes sure do like to sow their wild oats, don't they? Guess they wouldn't be men's men if they didn't.
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I didn't get to add mine until the end. I wish I had gotten in on it sooner. Oh well. Let's just hope they reference a ceramic hip and I can die a happy may. I also love the AB King comment rips and the rips on Ringbearer9.
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That's supposed to be man, not may. No, really it is.
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I'd love to see Marion come back. I'd love to see Short Round come back (although not being played by Jet Li). I'd love to see Natalie Portman (who was wonderful in Garden State) as Indy's daughter by Marion. So here's my idea: Indy (being as old as he is now) is retired from, er, "active" archeology, although he still teaches. Short Round is taking archeology classes with Indy, and is almost like a son to him. Everything is all dandy until Natalie comes along, claiming to be his daughter and telling Indy that Marion has been abducted by some neo-nazis or communists or somebody because she knows the location of something that her father had hidden away. I don't know, some artifact or another. So Indy takes off after Marion with Natalie and Short Round in tow. As the story goes on, a relationship forms between the three of them not entirely unlike the one that existed between Indy, Marion and her father. History repeats itself. Another thing I'd do with it is to have Indy's age factor in. Have his younger companions help out whenever needed. I don't know. It's not much, but it's a start, and I think I might work on a fan script around this. Now to come up with an artifact, a villain, and an end.
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There's a better chance than not this flick will NEVER be made and I'm fine with that...In the action adventure genre Spielberg and Lucas are washed up...If it does get made I expect to see alot of the shitty head replacement technique Lucas creamed all over in ep3 for any action scenes with Indy.
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like a prequel, and you could cast someone like, I don't know, that young hotshot River Phoenix in the role of a young Indiana, who . . .
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Despite the name, I'd have a hard time with this one simply because Natalie Portman and George Lucas teaming up again is HIGHLY unlikely considering the sparks that flew between them on the SW sets.
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How many threads did we have doing that Indiana Jones is old bit?
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ever notice that Aliens not only changed the mythology of the aliens but it also had a little kid? Or how Scarface is a "reimagining" of what was a classic fim? Amazing what an audience will accept if the movie is engaging.
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...of Natalie Portman...
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It's called POTC2. Not being facetious, but the audience that's making Jack Sparrow a household name were only a twinkle in their parent's eye when Last Crusade was released. POTC are this generation's Indiana Jones movies.
I say let Indy rest with dignity. He went out on a high note.
What, you want the same thing to happen to Indy that's currently going on with SR, a sequel continuing a story from a movie released in 1982? -
Among the bad scripts, directors girlfriends, etc etc etc.
Karen Allen did an interview quite a few years back, where she said that she and Ford just did not get on that great during the film. Not at each others throats or anything, they just did not have any off screen chemistry.
Damn shame, because Marion is the best character in the series outside of Indy. -
Also, Raiders was released in 1981 not 1982.
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But that may also have been 1981.
My point is that most 12-15 year olds in 2006 don't know or care who Indiana Jones is. Of course I could be wrong, but I'm not sure if Lucas or Paramount want to risk spending hundreds of millions on a franchise which may appeal only to an older crowd, like me. -
His, not his kid's.
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Most kids know who Indy is.
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Goddammit! Nobody fucking has mentioned her. She was far hotter than Marion Ravenwood and, with her turning out to be a gold-digging baddy in the end, was a far more interesting character. And I wish to God people would quit bitching about "Temple of Doom." Sure, it was an entire movie made up of action set pieces that were ommitted from "Raiders," but it was still an essential part of my generation's cinematic upbringing. The mine car chase still makes guys I know cream their shorts with joy. Great comedy, great action. Don't bitch about Capshaw either. Yes, her character wasn't worth a shit to the entire series, but all she was supposed to be was a caricature of the damsel-in-distress type from the movie serials of the '30's that the enitre Indy series harkens back to.
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just as long as she doesnt know kung fu. spielberg has got koepp "tying up loose ends" on the script apparently which is due in a few months. call me cynical but how many rewrites do you need if lucas' "new idea" was so good? I'll be happy if frank darabonts script isnt completely sidelined as I think koepp has a good idea of structure and did a good job of spidey but isnt great on detail. so im hoping hes just rewriting the thrid act like it was rumored. but I'm sure that if theres no news by the end of 07 then they should just forget it.....
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totally remembers Indy. Half of us saw "Last Crusade" in theaters. But, like "Star Wars," it is next to impossible to go through your life without seeing these films. It is essential. It is why we fall in love with movies in the first place. So yes, people remember Indy. He still has a place reserved in most people's hearts.
That said, I don't want to see this movie made. I think I even kind of like the idea of Indy having a daughter and that daughter being Natalie Portman. I don't mind how old Harrison is, he still looks the part. I would love to see Karen Allen come back. I would also love to see what Spielberg could do now with Indy, using the high glare factor of Janusz Kaminski's photography instead of the late Douglas Slocombe. But I have never seen a movie series make it past the evil number 4. "Lethal Weapon 4," sucked. "Alien Ressurection," suckerino. "Die Hard 4.0," gonna suck ass. They should accept that "Last Crusade" ended on a good note and leave this series alone. George Lucas is currently tied with Avi Arad as a man I most want to see die some horrible death due to his persistent prostitution of my childhood. -
was great in "Garden State." Loved her. She was good in "Closer." She was good in "Leon: The Professional." And she looks enough like Karen Allen that she could pass for Marion's daughter.
But, misnomer, I totally agree with you. If she knows fucking kung-fu, or for that matter does anything throughout the entire run time of this film except scream for help, then this movie had beeter fucking die right now. -
...how about Evangeline Lilly? I'm not a big-time 'Lost' nerd, but, I don't know, she kind of looks a little like Karen Allen, doesn't she?
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Lefty, I only get a chance to watch "Lost" on occasion, so you may have to fill me in on which character she is.
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She plays Kate, the brunette with the criminal background and the sexual tension with Jack.
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Thanks, Lefty. I thought that was Jacinda Barret. BTW, Kate is so much more into Sawyer than Jack. Jack is the good guy that she wants, but she knows Sawyer is the consistent asshole who's always gonna be there for her.
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I heard that on Conan Obrian a few years ago. Cracked me up the first time I heard that.
In all seriousness It's been 17 years since the last one. I'm done looking up news on this movie. Call me when they actually start filming it, for now on I can careless what is going on with this movie. -
Marion went down on the Submarine?
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and the Attack of Amidala seeking back Child Support
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1. You just know they are going to name her Lara as a nod to Tomb Raider.
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I likey a lot. But then i'm a sucker for Evangeline. And Pippin gets to bury his little buddy into her on a nightly basis. Lucky bastard. As for Karen Allen....such a crush on her as a kid. She very nearly toppled Leia off the perch.
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She's attractive, but not super hot. Her "acting" in star wars was horrible (but so was everyone elses's except for maybe Ian Mcdiarmid and Ewan McGreggor) but she has been ok in ther things. She impressed me in that "oh wow, a child actor who can act" kind of way in Leon, but outside of that i haven't been terribly impressed by her. I guess this is a long way of saying i am pretty much on the fence.
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Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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... are you being serious? Or is wishful thinking clouding your judgement? I think Angelina Jolie should play Willie's and Indy's daughter because Jolie is practically a dead ringer for both Ford and Capshaw. Maybe Ben Stiller or Vince Vaughn could play Sallah Jr.
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