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Quint spends a day in the desert with Michael Bay! TRANSFORMERS set visit here!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I'm in Wellington, New Zealand at the moment, with just a little over a week left then I have to head out to Comic-Con in San Diego, enjoy that craziness and then I finally head back home to Austin after nearly 2 months. Wellington is great... it's nice and cold. Downright wintery it is. A sharp contrast to my adventures on the set of TRANSFORMERS which happened less than a week before I left for the Southern Hemisphere.

Michael Bay and crew were shooting on location, in the deserts of New Mexico. Specifically, they were shooting on the white sand dunes near Alamogordo, on the Holloman Air Force base. In the white sands desert. Desert. In late May.

To give you an example of how hot it was, I flew in to El Paso (it was about an hour and a half drive from there to Alamogordo) and the airport electricity was off. Completely off. Why? Because the heat was so extreme the air conditioners overloaded. No shit. If you've never walked through a dark airport, all monitors blank... it's pretty creepy.

I got in to my hotel, a Holiday Inn Express, the night before my visit and met with Karl from Paramount. He was a fellow LOST fanatic and that night was the big season 2 finale, so we grabbed some Taco Bell (dangerous, I know) and watched the events unfold.

This small town had one little stretch of civilization that began with an Applebee's and ended with the Holiday Inn Express, the biggest hotel there. In the middle was Chili's, where I ended up going for drinks with Karl and the newly arrived Mickey, Paramount dude expreme-o #1 (and also the guy who fights for internet content for geeks like us... he's the one behind the TRANSFORMERS website and the one that put he digital camera in Jack Black's hand for the NACHO confessionals). The place was jumping.

Being TRANSFORMERS and, maybe even more to blame, a Michael Bay movie, there was a huge crew and they were all at Chili's. Walking up we passed a group of actors, including Josh Duhamel and Zack Ward, who had had enough and were going back to the hotel. The place was rowdy, with grips, stunties and transpo people slugging away at the bar, as grips, stunties and transpo coordinators will do.

When we got back to the hotel, a car pulled up, bass pumping, and out steps Tyrese Gibson and his VP of Production for HQ Pictures, his new production company, Mike Le. At the Holiday Inn Express. I don't know why it struck me as funny, but the fact that Bay, Tyrese and all the cast and crew were all staying at a Holiday Inn Express... not a Holiday Inn, but a Holiday Inn Express... well, that just tickles my funny bone. It's not what one pictures as being the lifestyle of the stars and director of a huge budget summer giant robot film.

Karl had worked with Tyrese on FOUR BROTHERS and reintroduced himself and introduced me. Turns out Mike is a big reader of AICN and we had a nice little chat. The Paramount guys warned Tyrese to watch what he says around such an untrustworthy journalist as myself, so, naturally, he starts speaking gibberish. "Ablono bah, bushwah malakay." It was actually pretty funny. We said our goodnights and all hit the sack (individually, not together), preparing for a day of hot fun in the White Sands sun.

I was smart enough to bring a cap with me. It'll shield my face, I thought... I didn't think about the top of my ears until I was preparing to leave the hotel. I wore a bright red shirt (reflects sun and won't absorb it like black will), pants and my cap. It was a half an hour drive to the set, where we drove past many military checkpoints. I had a badge that I was to wear at all times. It was my government authorization of me being on the base. They actually had to run a background check on me before I could go. Good thing that dead hooker in Tahoe dropped off my record last year.

The White Sands of... well, White Sands were breathtaking. It's hard to believe they exist in reality. Just pure, virgin white dunes as far as the eye could see. The day was bright and cloudless. So it was just bright white on the bottom and bright blue on the top. It wasn't too long after sunup and it was already uncomfortably hot.

At base camp I covered up. Put about 3 layers of suntan lotion on my arms, face, neck, ears and hands. This is a process repeated at least 10 times during the day, whenever I'd notice my skin looking a little pink or if I felt the sun breaking down the sunblock. I was debriefed by an officer of some sort. I was told the hydration routine. I was to drink 3 bottles of water (16 ounce) and one bottle of Gatoraide, then repeat. I was told to always have fluids in my system. In short, never stop drinking. And I didn't. I think the final tally was 12 bottles of water and 5 bottles of Gatoraide. And I only peed once during the whole event. Interesting, eh? hehe

The set was a 3 or 4 minute walk from the road. They had built an entire Middle Eastern village in these dunes, tons of structures and tents surrounding a giant mosque. The mosque was aged, with tan rocks and sun bleached blue and white tile patterns for trim.

Bay greeted me and told the video assist guy to run some footage for me on the monitors as they were setting up the next shot.

Remember in my visit with Bay before production started where I saw tons of animatics and production art? Remember the scorpion decepticon I described jumping out of the sand and back in again like the sand worm from BEETLEJUICE? That attack is what I saw filming. Skorponok drops off the back of a larger decepticon and chases a band of military guys who escape an attack at the beginning of the film. This decepticon tracks them through the desert as they approach a small village to try to call in support.

None of their radio equipment works, so they have to find a cell phone and dial directly into the Pentagon to get help. Of course this is long distance and the operator won't plug them through without a credit card. So, while a giant metal robot is attacking the soldiers, blowing up this village piece by piece our heroes are on the cell phone trying to get help, looking for a credit card, etc.

Bay told me this really happened in Granada. Well, the cell phone call with credit card complications... not the giant robots. At least I don't think so...

The footage I saw from the previous few days shooting:

-A 300 frames per second shot of the group running towards the camera, Tyrese in the lead. Mortars are exploding on the ground around them, sending up giant clouds of sand behind them as they run. This is a shot I described seeing in animatic form in Bay's Santa Monica office, which has the army dudes running at camera with Skorponok leaping out of the sand behind them. Shot in super slow motion so you can actually see the pincers spinning, effectively becoming two large drills that allow it to dive in and out of the sand as it chases these guys. The Skorponok will be added digitally, but the onset explosions have already created the debris from his sand diving and leaping. This looked really cool and a total Michael Bay shot.

-Before the Skorponok pops up it trails the soldiers underground. Like a Graboid. The next shot I saw was of an actor in close-up on the right side of the screen. Behind him stands another soldier in front of a big, beat up metal sign. The sign falls over (Skorponok knocks it over from underground). The soldier in the background sidesteps as it crashes. The soldier up front doesn't flinch or look back. He just kind of says, "What was that?" The soldier behind him starts speaking very quickly in Spanish. Nonchalantly, the soldier in the foreground says, "English, man. English." That was the take. I'm pretty sure after this the Skorponok begins its attack, skewering soldiers with it's giant, barbed tail, and dragging them underground.

-Lots of shots of Josh Duhamel inside a building, on the cell phone arguing with the operator as windows and walls behind him blow inward, the desert light streaming into the dark room. Looked pretty top notch, actually.

-Lots of explosions in the sand, villagers running, army fighting. Chaos. Lots of what you'd expect from a Bay action scene. Lots of big set-ups, wide shots and lots of smooth dolly shots mixed with lots of handheld.

The shot they had set up was of a stunt double for a character called Fig. He's one of the army guys. He's crouching behind a low wall that juts off from the mosque, firing at the Skorponok. The Decepticon doesn't like this too much, apparently. The stunt double is on wires, preparing for the stunt. There are at least a half a dozen rehearsals. The man gets pulled off his feet and yanked backwards. Up, away and spinning.

When the shot is up I'm standing behind Bay as he's at his monitors. I'm maybe 20 feet away from the stunt double. I heard Bay say, "God, I hope this goes well..."

I wasn't really prepared for the explosion. The wall in front of the stunt double just goes up. This dude was damn near standing on top of the explosives. He gets pulled back, spinning and everything looks good, but I can't believe the guy isn't seriously injured if not out and out dead. I mean, I was 20 feet away and I still got hit by some small pieces of debris. But the dude stands up and shakes it off, no worse for the wear. I can't say the same for his character in the movie, though.

I've noticed something about watching Michael Bay direct. There are people who work on films with the title Assistant Director (A.D.) who are there to enforce the will of the director... and most of the time be a giant, demanding asshole. He or she keeps the set moving and allows the director to get his or her way while not being the bully. Mr. Bay had an assistant director, but he really didn't seem to need him.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Bay was an asshole onset, but he was certainly the General of his army, not afraid to voice his disapproval. "What happened to our big bomb out there, guys? C'mon, guys. We're moving like snails out here!" etc. He took on the responsibility of keeping the set moving, so you could always hear him during set-ups, shouting orders.

Speaking of Bay, he came up and told me what he was planning for the next set-up. "Next I'm going to get a POV for Skorponok. I think then I'll blow the minaret."

The top of the mosque had a few minarets and as shooting was going on there were explosive experts rigging them, the crew pulling back whenever cameras rolled below and popping up to continue their work whenever cut was called.

Let's talk about explosions a little bit. I deeply regret not keeping an explosion count from the very moment I stepped onto that white sand. I'd love to give you guys a completely accurate number of explosions on this single day of shooting. But I didn't even think of it until I was halfway through my visit and at that point it'd be useless to keep count. So, my guess is that I saw at least 40 explosions. Some single big explosions. Some a large grouping of 5 or 6 smaller explosions. Some explosions on buildings, walls, sand. It was nuts and just about the perfect example of a day on a Michael Bay set. I would have been pissed if I had gone out and spent the day on a stage watching 2 people talk.

So, Bay blows up the minaret. He has army guy up there firing at the Decepticon. When the minaret blows it really blows. Bay had been asked to move back, but refused. He was given a hard hat and his crew around him were warned of "burning debris." I stood farther back. Burning debris is not for me. Sure enough the thing blew, leaving barely a little raised stub of styrofoam made to look like rock. The whole thing was gone and the stunt man fell off this second story ledge. Burning debris did indeed fall, but Bay escaped injury.

Bay also has an extremely good relationship with the US Military. Hence the filming on government property. There were also US Air Force members around as well as Navy SEALS who had trained the actors. Some of the stunt guys were military as well. Part of this cooperation included the full use of Air Force planes.

As a child growing up in the Bay Area I remember it being the biggest event of the summer to go out and watch the Blue Angels do aerial tricks. I loved it and have clear memories of them flying close enough to the ground to actually see the pilots in the cockpit.

They were miles away compared with what I saw on this set.

They had a pair of A 10s, Warthogs, fly overhead for the rest of the day, sometimes as low as 20-25 feet overhead, just about brushing the tops of the set and fake trees. Also seen in the sky during my trip were helicopters (with the big clear ball on the nose that holds the film camera for arial shots), a Leer Jet (another camera plane) and another jet that I was pretty sure someone mentioned as a C-130, but it looked smaller than that aircraft. I do know it had heavy calibre machine guns that could pop out of the sides of the plane. Perhaps one of our plane geek readers will let me know what this is in the talkbacks below.

In the chaos of planes, explosions and Decepticon destruction I met Josh Josh Duhamel, who is scientifically impossible. He's tall, about 6'5", skinny, but muscular, good looking and extremely nice, without the air of one who knows they are genetically superior. It's just not fair. I can only thank the gods that he's the exception and he can't have all the girls.

In some of the down time I climbed up on top of one of the White Dunes, looking out at the expansive desert. The baby blue sky and white, rolling hills surrounded by far-off mountains were just gorgeous. I noticed a rusted out tank the Army had placed out there. It really looked unreal, like an old time matte painting. Then I realized I was baking and ran back to the cover of the sound guy's parasol attached to his sound cart. He had a thermometer attached to to the parasol stand, in the shade. It read 105 degrees. In the shade. Mid-day.

I came back to see Bay setting up the next shot. Remember that stunt man who took the up, up and away explosion blast from the beginning of the day? Well, that character, Fig, got messed up and this shot was of Josh Josh Duhamel and Tyrese finding him, covered in debris.

Keep in mind that this area has seen at least 20 explosions already and hasn't been cleared away. Bay walks through, calling for his art department. "This set looks like shit! I want this to look like a big explosion. I want cork and all that shit." The art department people do indeed grab cork and shit, the shit being palm fronds, charred pieces of wood, ash and chunks of rock.

In the shot, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese and the rest of the squad are waved to the downed soldier by a Bedouin Camp refugee. They clear the rubble off of him and Tyrese, with the cell phone, shouts orders.

"Pentagon. US Special Ops Officer requesting immediate MedEvac. Report 1 mile north marked by orange smoke!"

Ah, the orange smoke. We were alerted that the next shot was going to be a "bigger explosion than we had before..." by the AD. There was a clear area in front of the mosque, about 400-500 feet of level, flat ground. That's where the Skorponok was sitting, fucking up the town. And that's where the explosions hit. They threw out smoke grenades that pumped out orange smoke and at least 4 major explosions go off as Josh, Tyrese and the surviving outfit fire their weapons into the smoke. I'm told the Skorponok just shakes this barrage off.

Bay spent about 10 minutes filming Tyrese lobbing these smoke grenades from different angles. Of course, Tyrese is lobbing them over the camera where they have a wide area to land harmlessly in the sand. However that isn't always what happens. I don't know if he just got tired or maybe he couldn't see where he was throwing these giant metal canisters, but I'd say about a third of the time his grenades either almost hit the transpo vans or a camped out section of the crew (ie hair and make-up or video assist, etc). He'd figure it out as the canister was in the air, though and scream out, "Aw shit! Watch your heads!!!" There was one that almost hit the very expensive looking black SUV that took Bay and the cast to base camp and back. I watched the metal can spin down towards the automobile, following its arc... just sure it was going to go right onto the hood or through the windshield. It fell short, however, so the insurance man breathed a sigh of relief, I'm sure.

Shortly after the grenade throwings (each punctuated with a different improv line from Tyrese as he's shouting at the Skorponok), they have the A-10s back, circling the set for the shot that was the most Michael Bay of shot I saw captured. The camera pushes in low on Josh and Tyrese and tilts up at an extreme angle to see the sky above their heads.

Tyrese is on the cell, calling for backup. "Use the 105 shells! Bring the rain!" They did a half dozen takes with there being about 2 that were timed perfectly. Tyrese shouts, "Bring the rain," the camera tilts up just in time to see the A-10s rocketing directly over their heads. Bay himself was working the camera for this one.

My understanding is the surviving members of the squad circle the Skorponok, using their laser sights to "paint the target" for the air strike. It's like spokes on a wheel, the target being dead center. They had a few takes of the army dudes circling, guns up. They found ammo that hurts the Decepticon and have a chance to escape this thing with their lives. Skorpokon doesn't go quietly into the night, though. Before all is said and done there were a few dozen more explosions on the walls of the mosque, leaving a broken structure barely standing by the end of the day.

I heard whispers that KNB FX actually got to build pieces of the Skorponok, a head and a tail. The tail was used in a shot they snuck with second unit and I missed it. It was just a shot of the sandy floor of the desert as the boot-clad feet of the army dudes walk by. The tail glides across the surface and they jump back. Sneaky monkeys actually using a real piece of a Transformer and not telling me about it...

I did see that they left the tail out in the middle of the flat land in front of the mosque, so I decided to wander off and take a closer look at the actual physical transformer while the rest of the crew was distracted filming the front of the mosque.

I walked up to the tail laying on the ground, the non-pointy end buried in the sand. It was silver metal, almost like links in a chain as it got shorter and shorter until it got to the spear-tip. The tip had 4 nasty looking barbs all hooked with a giant skewer barb that would thrust out between the 4 barbs. I got a closer look and thought it was really funny that there were these tiny, orange wires that were half buried in the sand underneath and around the Skorpokon's tail.

Then my mind actually processed what I was seeing and I realized I was standing on a whole lot of explosives, buried under the sand around the tail. I nervously tip-toed back to the monitors and away from the live explosives.

And these packed the biggest boom of the day. No small feat, since I've seen a giant building chipped away piece by piece by explosions all day. The sun was setting and they spent much time setting up this final, big explosion to blow at the right moment, when the A-10s are flying overhead. I believe this is the defeat of the Skorpokon.

They had many cameras rolling, including aerial cameras mounted on the Leer jet, getting footage of the A-10s in the air as well as the destruction below. They moved everybody out of the immediate area so the aerial cameras can get the explosion without having random crew member #14 standing outside the blast zone.

This explosion was massive. I was sitting behind the whole village, a good 300 feet away from the blast area. It was a series of 2 explosions followed by a monster. The fire and smoke cloud went up at least 150 feet and I could feel the concussion. The crew cheered and when we wrapped I walked through the flat area in front of the destroyed mosque. The ground was pocked and black. Each step left a white sand foot print.

The whole side of one of the large white sand dunes was charred black from the explosion. It was a monster.

The sun was really starting to go and Mickey ran after Bay to get him to film an intro to the internet trailer for TRANSFORMERS, with the ruined city in the background.

And that was the end of my day. We wrapped up, everybody went to the Holiday Inn Express, washed a day's worth of sun block off our skin... and went to Chili's. Everybody was there, yet again. All the actors, grips, stunties, transpo, ADs, PAs... Everybody.

Such a bizarre trip.

Final thoughts... I'm now 100% certain we will get a Michael Bay movie. If that was ever in doubt in the first place. The only real question has to do with those Bots. How much of TRANSFORMERS as we know it will make its way into Bay's over-all vision? The flick will certainly be big. Bay loves putting every cent of his massive budgets on the screen, that's for damn sure. But that still doesn't answer a lot of fan's concerns.

I'm hoping that Paramount will show some stuff at Comic-Con. I know Bay was excited about the idea of showing a rough animatic to get the fans excited for the flick, but I haven't heard if Paramount actually went forward with that idea or not. I hope so. It'd also be good to get and update from the man about the Autobots and Decepticons. Voices, color schemes, etc. Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) Bay has to address these issues with the fans if he doesn't want to scare them off... well, not scare them off. Fans don't scare easily. Piss them off. That was the word I was looking for.

I'll have my eyes and ears open at Comic-Con. Hope you guys enjoyed reading about the trip... in your nice, cool air-conditioned homes/offices! Did I mention it was 105 degrees in the shade? But boy what a show I got. One can only hope the movie will be as entertaining.


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  • July 9, 2006, 6:05 a.m. CST

    by Drcool975


  • July 9, 2006, 7:11 a.m. CST

    This movie needs more Optimus Prime...

    by Rant Breath

    and less Tyrese.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:18 a.m. CST


    by TheJake

    I can picture that sequence on screen... shakey cam and all and I weep for what Transformers could have been on the big screen. Michael Bay.... why Michael Bay?

  • July 9, 2006, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Probably fourth, by now.

    by CreasyBear

    There will be people who will slam this movie for its almost-guaranteed lack of emotional resonance or its differences from the cartoon. These are the same people who, if they miraculously were able to go out on a date with a Jessica Alba-type hottie, would end up bitching and moaning that she wasn't familiar with Kafka or Shakespeare. This movie will most likely destroy all kinds of ass.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Can't Wait

    by Mad-Maximus

    This movie is a perfect vehicle for Bay. I felt he did a good job with The Island and possibly this movie will be very entertaining. I just hope its up there with the Rock, Armageddon, and Badboys. It's been like a decade since I last saw a Transformers cartoon so any little (or big) changes that Bay does probably won't affect the way I view this movie.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:56 a.m. CST

    A retraction:

    by CreasyBear

    In an earlier post, I compared haters of Big-Dumb-Action-Movies to people who would want more than physical beauty from a significant other. In hindsight, I suppose it would be nice if the hypothetical dream-girl in question possessed lovely superficial attributes, AND was well-versed in the social graces and finer points of eloquent conversation. But more to the point, I'm hoping this movie will lasso my balls with barbed wire and give a violent yank.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Surprise! Michael Bay makes a Michael Bay film!

    by DerLanghaarige

    Don't know about you, but I like that (except for Bad Boy 1, The Rock and Pearl Harbor)

  • July 9, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Quint spends a day in the desert with Michael Bay

    by CuervoJones

    Poor Quint

  • July 9, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST


    by alienindisguise

    That was one of the most boring on set experiences ever written...yeah sand and explosions...SO WHAT!!! Less words...more pics...that's all we want!!!

  • July 9, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Staying at a Holiday Inn Express...

    by veritasses

    means you're very smart. Or at least that's what the commercials say. I hope they're staying their 'cause they wanted to squeeze every last penny into the sfx budget. That means NO 'Robot Jox'! And I hope Tyrese either has zero dialog or has taken a ton of acting lessons since 'Flight of the Phoenix'

  • July 9, 2006, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I'm not a michael bay hater but....

    by BLWiseass

    I am just not able to get any high hopes based on the fact that this movie was written by (well he's one of the writers anyway) the great mind that brought us Catwoman and The Core

  • July 9, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST

    So let's recap

    by LeFlambeur

    You were on the set of the Transformers movie. It was hot. Stuff exploded. A lot. Any other startling revalations? How was the catering?

  • July 9, 2006, 10 a.m. CST


    by bkd86

    What you probably saw Quint, was a AC-130 Specter gunship. They have 20mm gatling guns (2) 7.62mm mini guns (2) 40mm bofor canon and a 105mm Howitzer all sticking out on the left side of the plane. The Air Force has had versions since the mid 1960's.

  • July 9, 2006, 10:10 a.m. CST

    When in doubt, blow stuff up. And no pics?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Every single Bay film is an overdone, mindless, boring, tepid piece of shit with the biggest film cliche, the explosion, used because Bay certainly can't find any other way to keep our interest. I find it amazing that some people can have an interest in film and at the same time NOT rip this guy apart for his inability to make a film that doesn't rely on his hack cliches all the time. I really think he should have been imprisoned for that travesty known as Pearl Harbor, or at least forced to go back to his job a McDonalds or wherever his talent may truly lie (cuz it certainly isn't in film!)

  • July 9, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Quint wants his babyback, babyback, babyback ribs

    by Lance Rock

  • July 9, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?

    by Deep Cover

    I guess TRANSFORMERS'll suck just a little bit more than I'll miss you...

  • July 9, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    This is like sending a kid to remedial English

    by I Dunno

    Ok Mikey, The Island totally ate it at the box office. Do you think you can handle a movie about robots that turn into Volkswagons and tape decks?

  • July 9, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    You're telling me the ARMY fucking beats a Transformer?

    by theoneofblood

    Bullshit! Transformers are extremely highly advanced pieces of hardware, THOUSANDS of years ahead of us. They'd wipe out the pathetic military of Earth in NANOSECONDS! For the love of God, can't the U.S. public deal with the fact that when faced by a vastly advanced and superior foe, they just might LOSE?! I can't believe SPIELBERG is the fucking closest to get this right! Show the Transformer's beating each other, no-one else. The fact that this retarded scene is included at all shows just how utterly crap this movie is going too be. (Plus, TYRESE!? You've gotta be shitting me.)

  • July 9, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    by photoboy

    I agree theoneofblood, the Army should get their asses kicked by any of the Decepticons. It should be Optimus Prime and Co. who are the only ones able to save the day.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the report, I think

    by Eaglet1138

    I mean, it's cool you went, and stuff, but we don't really learn anything from your set visit. It still sounds like a stupid idea for a movie, and an even stupider concept for a stupid movie. So. Get back to us when there's some actual footage to be seen.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    well, thats it--I've given up all hope, now.

    by moondoggy2u

    How hard was it to get optimus prime right? How hard is it to film a transformer movie rather than a human movie with transformers in it. This isnt Jurrassic Park/Lost world, where the humans encounter the giant beings and run/attack; this is supposed to be a movie ABOUT transformers. And dont even get me started on the idiotic character designs/alterations and changing the voice of Prime (which you know he's gonna do). Well, I'm outta here.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Oh Come on...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    That sounds like it will be awesome to watch. And I'm fine with beating a transformer, have you seen the shit that your trillion dollar military budget buys these days? Oh and if you didn't get swept up in that report, I feel bad for you.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    I dont think Bay "gets it"


    One of the things people loved about Transformers was the satire involved and how the Decepticons considered us "pathetic flesh creatues" And how there was NOTHING we could do against them. The military would fire their weapons at them they would laugh. We needed the Autobots. That was the essence. It's one thing to change some designs, change the voices (what if james earl jones suddenly wasn't vader?) Its another thing entirely to change the ESSENCE. That shit's not cool.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Sleeping _Angel...

    by theoneofblood

    Transformers aren't just expensive. They are ridiculously more advanced than humans. We're about on the same level to them as maggots are to us. Part of the fun of the original Transformers show was that for ONCE, human military capabilities weren't made to be "TeH Uber", but instead redundant to the point of the Decepticons laughing their asses off everytime people tried to use their silly weapons to harm them. That's also why the Autobots were so friggin cool! They were better than us, but they didn't rub our noses in it.

  • July 9, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST


    by theoneofblood

    No, I don't get swept up in ten pages worth of anecdotes about how there were explosions in the desert. Whoopdee fucking-do. If I was even remotely interested in anything like that, I'd just watch the latest reports from Iraq/Afghanistan. ZING!

  • July 9, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    The truth is...

    by Thumper2k1

    we never needed this film to begin with. They say it's live action, but for the most part it's not. It's just a different form of animation. What they really should have done is reboot the cartoon.

  • July 9, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Boom baby

    by Varakor

    I say so long as a lot of shit gets blowed up and robots trash the hell out of each other, then i'm all in. It's freakin Transformers; let's have fun with it. The first movie got it right (naysayers can go to hell! they can go to hell and they can die!) So I am sure Bay will make this work. My biggest fear is that with so many human characters, we will lose focus and the Bots will be like a side note, you know they fight in the background while the humans try to figure shit out.

  • July 9, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Just gimmee 2 hours of that Citroen ad

    by soulsonic

    Who cares about a film based on some plastic toys from the 80's. I've got nothing against a little nostalgia, but I couldn't give a flying cack about whether or not they get the voices right or whatever. Has anyone actually watched that cartoon recently? It's complete shit! It really, really doesn't matter.

  • July 9, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    If it doesn't matter, why are you posting?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    LOL @ some talkbackers. Wow!

  • July 9, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    i am reminded of "Shadow of the Colossus"

    by calami-shami

    specifically the level where you take on the flying sand serpent on horseback. As infuriating as that game was I'm sure that the visuals and experience I had playing that will never be captured on film. I can visualize this desert scene happening with the same breathtaking visuals but then the crappy CGI leaks in and the slow mo and the boring "running away from explosives" shots and the Casper Van Dien-esqueness of the main chracter and I really want to not see this.

  • July 9, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST

    If Bay gets Cullen and Welker,

    by Neo Zeed

    and makes Optimus red and blue, then the fans will be satisfied with his changes. If he fucks with that....then he's gonna hear loads of fan bitching. If all it takes is 3 simple things to placate the fans...why not give it to them?

  • July 9, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    "Now we know how to take them out, general..."

    by Fusionbomb

    Spread the word. Get on the wire to every squadron around the world. Tell 'em how to bring those sons of bitches down!

  • July 9, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Exactly Fusionbomb


    Whole thing sounds a lot like Independance Day. Yeah decent movie but it's not freaking Transformers. Humans dont save the day AUTOBOTS DO.

  • July 9, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST



    When this opens next year... But of course you'll continue to bitch and bitch lol...

  • July 9, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by goranlokin

    Isn't it at all possible that Quint could be wrong here? I mean, he only says that he beleives it's the end, not that it is. In fact, it's entirely possible that our little baddie friend here gets to have a dramatic "walk out from behind clouds of smoke and debris" moment, where the humans realize that there is nothing they have that can take this thing down... In my mind at least, it sets up perfectly why you would need Autobots for people that aren't familiar with the cartoon.

  • July 9, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST


    by LordEnigma

    It's Scorpinok. Of course, it's a transformer, that means they have countless freakin names, but it's usually Scorpinok. Nice that he got put in the film. No biggie though.

  • July 9, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    I totally agree. Its pretty simple: have optimus look like Optimus and have Cullin's voice. Of course, Bay's ego will have none of that. He's decided that Prime will not have a visor except during actin scenes, will be UN blue and white and NOT American red, white and blue, will be a freightliner rather than a mac cab-over, and will most likely NOT be voiced by Cullen. Again, this is why the egomaniac known as Michael Bay is so derided. He's a hack, everyone knows it, and there really is no point in debating the issue further.

  • July 9, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST


    by repus3000

    Just a quick thought. If those type of people actually DO read Aintitcool or fare such as this, then here's a message from a long-time fan. I'm not a film geek...I love going to the movies, and I love to be entertained. But for one second, consider the source material's Transformers, baby! Do this baby correctly and you've literally got a NEW franchise on your hands. Bay, this could be your Spiderman. Your other movies have been fun to middling at best (but mostly fun)...and all quite disposable. Do NOT let this happen with Transformers. The pedigree is infinitely better than anything you've ever been associated with. Isn't Transformers one of, if not the most, successful non-literary franchise to come from the 80s? Has anything else from the tooniest generation survived nearly intact so well? He-man? Voltron? Thundercats? Only Transformers is still a thriving, viable franchise with comic books, popular toys, animated shows, and judging from this effort, theatrical. Optimus Prime is an ICON to millions of people...EVERYTHING I see about this production, and everything I feel makes this feel like a monster movie. A reason to terrorize humans, from their perspective. What made Transformers work is that it always focused on things from THEIR perspective...that this Cybertronion War meant something for them. Shades of the Middle East Israeli/Palestinian Conflict, anyone? Please, please PLEASE...go back and watch Masters of the Universe with Dolph and realize the only way this could work and be sustainable if it's taken care of. This is a MAJOR franchise in the wings for you guys...not just one throwaway, profitable movie. So what if the source material is a transforming robot that blows things up? Pirates was nothing more than a robot ride at Disneyland. Treat it with RESPECT and reverence for the source material (and not for the fans...I'll be the first one to admit, we're too fickle and we're never satisfied) and people will come. Again and again, and again and again. Here's your chance!!

  • July 9, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Some people are impossible to satisfy

    by DrifterSage

    First off, great report Quint, that was a fun read. Second, to all complaining about the military taking down a transformer, could you all just... please.... relax. I can picture you all turning red in the face and beating down on your keyboards like theres no point in living if this film is not done YOUR way. IMO, it took just about EVERYTHING the military had in its arsenal out there to take down an **expansion** to the actual transformer itself. Remember all, this "Skorponok" is just a small extension to the actual helicopter transformer... and the thing still destroyed the entire town in minutes... if this is what one small one can do, Id hate to see an actual full on TF in battle. Also, those complaining about Bay, please... ALSO.... relax. Hmmm who do we get to direct this big summer action movie with giant robots, TONS of explosions and an overall epic movie feal? Perhaps youd feel better with some artsy fartsy director?... maybe the TF's can all sit around and talk about their feelings about war and drink tea? Bull Crap! give me explosions and action over "a LOGICAL story" anyday! dont expect this movie to change the world, just turn off your brain and enjoy the ride!

  • July 9, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    tansformer trailer

    by baddaddy

    Everyone in the theater laughed at the transformers teaser trailer this weekend. I see a dark future for this festering turd of a movie.

  • July 9, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by Shaw

    Were they saying boo, or boo-urns?

  • July 9, 2006, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by baddaddy

    Well it was funny, people were into the trailer, it had an Independance Day feel...until the giant TRANSFORMERS popped on screen, then the gut laughed in the most derisive way possible. It was kinda sad.

  • July 9, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Some fans get pissed, yes...

    by Horseflesh

    Others of us just get motivated to piracy so we don't waste money getting pissed.

  • July 9, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by DrifterSage

    Holy shit! some people laughed in your theater!? this movie is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!! Note: I seem to remember many people laughing during that very awkward beginning to the Spider-man 2 trailer, and we all know how bad that film did.... *cough*... oh and nothing beats the atrociously hilarious original trailer to Star Wars, and again, we all know how much of a bomb that was ;)

  • July 9, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Bay should have directed Superman Rtrns

    by Jugdish

    That way the flick would have had some much needed action

  • July 9, 2006, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Somthing tells me

    by bollhatergc

    that no matter how cool the teaser COULD have been, the public would have just laughed as soon as the words TRANSFORMERS went across the screen....BECAUSE IT WAS AN 80'S CARTOON ABOUT FUCKING ROBOTS!!! cant wait for the movie though

  • July 9, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Who cares about the humans

    by Kink

    I just want to see shit blow up.

  • July 9, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Is Skorponok a "Headmaster" ?

    by DOGSOUP

    Will we see his head change into a little robot guy just like the toy did?

  • July 9, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    If Frodo and Harry Potter get respectable films...

    by Rant Breath

    then why the fuck NOT Optimus fucking Prime? He's a thousand times the hero Frodo Baggins or Harry Potter will ever be. So what if Pirates of the Caribbean audiences laugh at Transformers. They're fucking complete tools if they think Orlando Bloom sword fighting is more valid entertainment than sentient machines battling for galactic dominance. Fucking sheep. "Let's worship a pirate movie because everybody else is doing it."

  • July 9, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST

    If the military ganged up on a single Decepticon

    by superninja

    they could destroy it, especially with today's sophisticated weaponry - EMP for instance. There is nothing here but a description of a Scorpinok battle sequence. What is everyone so riled up about? The humans got an occassional victory in the cartoonscomic books. The teaser was not very promising. It's going to all come down to characterization of the robots and appropriate motivation.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    by superninja

  • July 9, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Jugdish!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Couldn't have said it better. Looks like Bay has adopted the Singer model -- Fuck up everything about the source material except the look that makes the property remotely recognizeable. At least Singerman remained red and blue. Optimus isn't even going to get that much reverence.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Moondoggy, I agree about Prime.

    by superninja

    I think it is unlikely that Bay is avoiding his red/white/blue scheme for Prime because it's our colors, though. Rather he wants them to look realistic and sophisticated. He needs to keep the same color scheme - Prime's design is iconic. Bad marketing move.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST

    It's not like they took down a big name Transformer

    by Immortal_Fish

    Scorpinok took out a whole city and still messed up the military pretty good. Imagine getting the snot clobbered out of you by something you find out later on is only a mere drone. What if after Scorp is smashed something more menacing arrives to inspect? There has to be some kind of tension and build up.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I dont know, superninja

    by moondoggy2u

    I've noticed quite a few movies lately have frowned on flying the colors proud and true, writing it off as jingoism or "all that stuff." Maybe I'm just a bit too cynical and/or deffensive about the wole thing, but it does smack of ego--no matter how you slice it.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Using a cell phone and credit card...

    by Manos

    to call in an air strike. Wasn't that depictied in Clint Eastwood's Heartbreak Ridge as well? Didn't know it was based on a true incident, or has Bey just got his wires crossed?

  • July 9, 2006, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Well, nice to see, once again

    by darth mortis

    that people around here decide to hate things before they see them. and i must add, given the situation in world politics, it is good to see people get all pissed off over some guy making what is, for all intents and purposes, a giant puppet movie. (realising, of course, that the puppets are cgi, and the guy directing it has much more money and talent then those bashing him. i mean, here he is making himself rich by making the types of movies that you claim you never watch, but still know enough to forsee how bad the next one will be.)

  • July 9, 2006, 5:47 p.m. CST

    darth mortis

    by moondoggy2u

    You know, I'm a horrible cook; I can't prepare food in anything resembling an eddible fashion. I have neither the experience, the know how, or even the raw talent for preparing anything more complicated than a bowl of cereal. However, I still know when something tastes bad, when something is raw, overcooked, bitter, sweet, or even tasteless. Bay may be making films and earning lots of cash, but then so are porn stars. Should I respect and envy them too, simply because they have an audience for their filth? class dismissed.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    See: Final Fantasy

    by JudgeNXcutioner

    if you really want to see how a movie can really fuck up the source material of what should've been easy bank.

  • July 9, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    "What the fuck is a somoflange?"

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Oh, wait, that was another cartoon. "Transformers", you say? Never saw it, never will, couldn't care less if Bay is directing its adaptation. . . just keep him away from the Thundercats movie!

  • July 9, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    hold up! You mean Bay didn't change....

    by thebearovingian

    the desert into a lush, green rainforest. What's up with that? He respects the mythology of the desert but not of Bumblebee or Optimus Prime? Those damn 18 wheelers with red cabs just don't translate well to the big screen. Screw that and screw all the apoplogists out there. X-Men should've had their comic costumes (yes, blue and yellow spandex), Green Goblin should've had his (c'mon, Dafoe's face IS the Goblin), as well as Bullseye etc. Have you seen the shite they wear in ballets and Cirque du Soleil etc? Make a good movie and people won't care.

  • July 9, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    'Michael Bay stole that kids sneakers!'

    by XoanonTORN

    'nuff said

  • July 9, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Moondoggy, I notice it as well.

    by superninja

    It's because they don't want to "offend" the international market. I would be surprised,though, if it was Bay's intention or even his idea. Perhaps the studios? Anyway, it's stupid. Optimus Prime is an iconic design, just like the logos.

  • July 9, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    You don't step on Superman's cape and you

    by superninja

    don't mess around with Optimus Prime! Prime is based on John Wayne. You supposing they're going to ignore that? If they do, they're REAL dumb.

  • July 9, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    If A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words...

    by GrammarPolice

    This interview is worth shit.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Hasbro better not F*^K up the movie based toy line!!!

    by Roobins Froobins

    Ok, this movie will most certainly be ( least I'm praying and trying to look optimistic here) nothing short of fucking amazing....BUT Hasbro and Bay and Co. do not, DO NOT fuck up the movie based toy line to the point that we get undetailed pieces of shit. I.E.---if you absolutely have to make the figures transform, because yes, that's the fun of the Transformers toys do it in such a way that doesn't compromise the actual design of the figure making them look retarded...which more than half of the TF figures out there look like. What WOULD be cool would be 2-packs, versions of the vehicles and the robots...AND also make the main human characters, don't skimp out on them they are apparently just as important.

  • July 9, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Yes, yackbacker--its comfirmed.

    by moondoggy2u

    Optimus is going to be blue and white. I guess Bay saw the blue helmet and started having UN thought balloons. And you're most certainly correct, Bay is hem-hawing around about casting Cullen because he doesnt want him; he wants to put someone else in the role. He's too afraid of the fan backlash, however, so he's going to delay the decision as long as possible. Currently, Bay is sticking to his, "We're letting Cullen audition and we're just being careful as there are some concerns over age" shtick which smells to high heaven, of course, because I've heard him do his Optimus Prime Voice and it sounded exactly like the voice I heard in the eighties. And I agree, Yackbacker--no Cullen, no ticket. I'll drop my son off to see it, but i refuse to pay for it if he doesnt cast Cullen--its just too low down and dirty NOT to cast that man.

  • July 9, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST


    by Sleeping_Angel

    I meant get caught up in the writing, it was an engaging story. But on the note of killing decepticons: there is only so much punishment that any matal can take. I don't care if it's an unknown metal, shoot something with a squadron of a-10 tank killers, and you will do some serious damage. it's physics. also, I stopped playing with transformers when I was 12, so I have no idea what a 'skorponok' or whatever is. maybe it's a weak ass transformer. stop over thinking it, read the article again, and try to visualise it man (woman, whatever).

  • July 9, 2006, 8:30 p.m. CST

    It's an action setpiece

    by Discosis

    Why is everyone getting pissed off over this when its likely to be a few minutes of the movie?

  • July 9, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    *I* laughed at the teaser too...

    by jsarnold513

    When I went and saw POTC2 on Friday. I was excited as I stepped into the theatre and saw the teaster (which I couldn't get to finish downloading last week) up on the big screen. Then the big, overdramatic ending leading into the "Transformers" graphic. Man, I had to laugh. And people in the theatre were chuckling. It was like a South Park joke or something. Still want to see the movie opening weekend though. I usually hate Michael Bay, but as long as he gets a handful of the major TFs right, makes it light hearted and fun, and doesn't focus too much on the people, this thing is right up his alley. All I'm asking is that he doesn't turn it into an Independence Day ripoff and make it too serious...

  • July 9, 2006, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Casting Cullen would make the fans so

    by superninja

    happy. They probably want a Hanks or Clooney, though. Who I don't want anywhere near Optimus Prime. Why can't Hollywood just be faithful to the characters instead of tripping on their own egos? They just screw themselves over in B.O. $$$ in the end.

  • July 9, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST

    The teaser was not a good sign

    by superninja

    at the creative thought put into the film. I don't care if it's not going to be in the movie. There are a million more effective ways to do a suspensful teaser for robots that disguise themselves as vehicles, for pete's sake!

  • July 9, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    That teaser looked thrown together...

    by jsarnold513

    Which is what made it especially lame. Surely none of that footage will make it into the movie, except maybe the shots from inside NASA in a different context. It looked like something some CG major threw together on his MAC in a couple of hours.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    What about Megatron!?!?!

    by jsarnold513

    For all the bitching about Prime's color scheme NOT including red (WTF? Wouldn't that make him into Ultra Magnus???) what I'm really concerned about is Megatron. Is he still going to transform into a P38, or have a huge cannon on his arm? Parents' groups had a fit over that, so much so that Hasbro changed his design in the early-90s when they more-or-less faithfully re-issued all the other original figures as "Generation 2." Because a gun was too much a symbol of violence, he was turned into a tank to make him much less threatening... If Bay screws up Megs too, then he's alienating pretty much the entire audience for this movie: children of the 80s and the kids the studio is hoping they'll bring with them. I can't see this movie playing well with the teen/early 20s demographic at all, either, which is what's really hurt Superman Returns too-- slightly more than half the audience was over 26.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Poor choice for a first look.

    by superninja

    You didn't even need to SHOW a robot to tease this film. But again, that would require someone possess imagination.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:05 p.m. CST

    DRAFT CULLEN!! Anyone Got a Petition?

    by repus3000

    They CAN cast Cullen! He's as essential to this character as anything else (perhaps more so). He's still ALIVE, he's still viable...hell, isn't he the official voice of Cartoon Network? The man is STILL working and still beloved by MILLIONS...respect that! Besides, they'd save a bucket of cash by hiring him, pleasing everyone under the sun in the process. Can't we get a petition together? Hell, if Snakes On a Plane can use the internet to get Sam Jackson to say MOTHERFUCKER, can't we use the internet to put the obvious together? Come on baby, LIGHT OUR DARKEST HOUR! (DRAFT CULLEN!)

  • July 9, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    At the theater I saw the teaser in, all of the

    by superninja

    teens and 20s recognized the name Transformers. A couple behind me commented the teaser was weak, but that they still wanted to see it. This generation is aware of Transformers based on their love of 80s nostalgia and availability of information on the internet. The characters are more popular than ever.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by repus3000

    Hey folks...I'm serious. Anyone want to get a petition together? Not just bitch, moan and crank about this? After all, the net's good for more than porn and more porn. Let's get a PETITION together and see what happens. Anyone have experience with this? Know how to do this? I'll contribute whatever I can...let's get together and DRAFT friggin Cullen! The character deserves the best 'o the best, and Cullen is that man! Anyone know how?

  • July 9, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Cullen has no chance :(

    by jsarnold513

    It's sad but it's true. This is a big expensive studio blockbuster with no big names attached. The studio is going to demand that a big star or two lend their voices because they're afraid it'll flop without a major name. So even if Cullen would be better, and wouldn't cost millions, and would help lure in the people who grew up with Transformers as a treasured part of their childhood, it won't happen. It wouldn't surprise me to see them get Liam Neason or somebody as Optimus Prime, which would just be wrong... I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping the movie kicks as much ass as it can, though.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Trailer Reaction at POTC...

    by McGsStepson

    was a joke. People laughed - VERY audibly and generously - at this thing. That AND its release is bookended by RATATOUILLE and HARRY POTTER 5 - both playing to similar demographics. This set report (military using cell phones circa 1982, Tyrese, and the thing that Quint seemed to be most fond of was Chili's) has done nothing to make me believe that this won't be a serious turd next year. Don't get me wrong, I'll be there - but that's because of the whole car crash (pun intended) aspect of it all.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by theoneofblood

    I'm afraid that's not going to cut it for me. I don't care how advanced humans might think their weaponry. If an incredibly advanced civilisation came to Earth and started aiming to kick our asses, it wouldn't matter a damn what we threw at them. Our limited understanding of physics and technology would be about to the scale of a snail's. It would literally be like if hamsters declared war on us. They couldn't do more than scratch our skins before we'd snap their spines. I'm still unhappy with the colour scheme for Optimus Prime. Why don't we make Batman fluro orange while we're at it? And to think that for the briefest of moments, I TRUSTED Micheal Bay. For the love of God, he made "Pearl Harbour".

  • July 9, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by superninja

    They are not bio mechanical, they are machines and can be disabled/disrupted. Also, this is a fantasy film.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST



    If you are a species that have been evolving for millions of years and are mechanical...... I think EMP type weapons would be the FIRST type of weapon you'd create and therefore the first type of weapon you'd create safeguards against. You can't honestly assume that humans would be the first to think of this...we're organic....

  • July 9, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Not if they underestimate the humans because

    by superninja

    they're enormously arrogant. Which is the Decepticons in a nutshell. That's why the story works best as though they are not carefully planning some sort of invasion, but rather are chasing the Autobots here, become stranded, and want to resume their war and could care less if the humans get caught in the crossfire.

  • July 9, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Big name voice actors..


    isn't that reserved for animated cartoon movies? not movies where the robots are supposed to be taken seriously as being from another planet?

  • July 9, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    Also, you must assume the Autobots

    by superninja

    would share their tech with the humans so they could be in a position to at least defend themselves against the Decepticons. That's the kind of thing the Autobots would do, even if it were turned against them later.

  • July 9, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    The guy who wrote this also wrote the

    by superninja

    Island and is credited as the writer for Abram's Star Trek XI prequel. Used to work on Jack of All Trades. Heh. I loved that show.

  • July 9, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Didn't they handle the screenplay.

    by AlwaysThere

    Caspian something wrote the script and they had to make The Island more modern and more upbeat. They all did a good job with the story, script, screnplay, whatever you want to call it.

  • July 9, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Using a phone and credit card to call in support...

    by Mr Brownstone

    was in Heartbreak Ridge. Manos you are correct. I wonder if it actually happened or if Bay thinks Heartbreak Ridge was a documentary.

  • July 10, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I have just ONE question, Quint...

    by Gilkuliehe

    Do you think this is a good vehicle for Michael Bay's EVOLVING SENSIBILITY?

  • July 10, 2006, 2:59 a.m. CST

    The fact that Skorpnok is even in this movie...

    by incepticon

    ...just shows how screwed up the script must be and how terribley OFF base Bay, Murphy and everyone else involved with the project are to the G1 core story. I understand taking some liberties here & there, that's expected, by why the hell would a character who was a Headmaster that barely showed up near the end of G1's original run be in any way shape or form included at all in this movie? Furthermore, if Meg's, Starscream, Soundwave, etc are all military vehicles like tanks, jets helicopters, WTF is a huge ass robot scorpian doing out there? Evidentially not blending in with the surroundings... which uhh... is THE ENTIRE POINT of what the Transformers originally were to do while on Earth. This will probably be like Battlefield Earth or Daredevil where you *have to* go see it just to see how bad Hollywood can fuck something up... and spend hundreds of millions of dollars doing it.

  • July 10, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST

    None of the Mars rover stuff is in the movie

    by Screaming Brain

    MB said it in his latest blog. You guys should check out the boards over at , it's been crazy around there ever since the movie was first announced. Of course all you real hardcore Transformers fans already know this right?

  • July 10, 2006, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Transformers: Gay Robots in the Closet

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Surefire Oscar contender.

  • July 10, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST

    You know...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I don't mean this in a bad way, but I think Michael Bay is perfect for this thing. Maybe it's my age (born 1967), but the Transformers show has never struck me as anything but a shallow, soulless toy commercial of a poorly animated cartoon. Who better to bring this to the screen than the shallow, soulless Michael Bay? I mean that in the best way possible. I have zero interest in the cartoon, but will indeed pay good money to see Michael Bay make giant robots fuck shit up on a massive scale in a movie. Bay was BORN to direct this thing, and if it's loud, obnoxious, dumb and bombastic enough, it will make a bundle. You know this to be true. Can the cod philosophical musings on the "mythology" of Transformers and just go with it. It's giant fucking space robots blowing shit up -- what more do you want? Character? Depth? Subtext? Fuck off!

  • July 10, 2006, 6:20 a.m. CST


    by SnakesOnABicycle Don't know if this has already been posted. Don't really care... I like being a contributor. You're welcome.

  • July 10, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST

    I'm not sure Michael Bay...

    by Laserbrain

    has the requisite sensitivity and intelligence to direct a property like Transformers.

  • July 10, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST

    Skorponok is Beast Wars Skorponok no?


    I'm not sure why two and two aren't being put together here but.... Skorponok is sounding an awful lot more like Beast Wars Skorponok to me than Headmaster Skorponok.

  • July 10, 2006, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Taco Bell is dangerous? Why?

    by Stollentroll

    Nothing dangerous ever happened to me a Taco Bell. Maybe Taco Bell is more dangerous in New Mexico than in California?

  • July 10, 2006, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by Sleeping_Angel

    and if the hamsters outnumbered you 500,000,000 to 1? have you seen that machine gun platform that fires a million rounds a minute? or what about daisy cutters? things made of metal are governed by laws of physics, simple as that. even if it's organic and can repair itself, the report didn't say 'and then the decepticon gets back up' but it could well, I wouldn't know, I haven't read the script. And on Prime's Colours, do you wear the same clothes every day? maybe he wasn't in the mood for red that week.

  • July 10, 2006, 7:28 a.m. CST


    by Sleeping_Angel

    oh and I forgot, if you look around you'll find a comic cover of batman wearly a multi-coloured fluro suit.

  • July 10, 2006, 7:28 a.m. CST

    I'm fervently praying

    by moondoggy2u

    That Optimus Prime's chasis will become red with the blood of Michael Bay!!!

  • July 10, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Original G1 character that should be in this!

    by tile_mcgillus

    WHY ON EARTH IS Scorpinok even in this movie!?! Where is Optimus Prime (is that video real or fanmade?), Sunstreaker, Wheeljack, Ironhide, Prowl, Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream and Shockwave!! Studio people give us a shot of one of these guys looking awesome in their G1 style and I will be sold.

  • July 10, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Wont be as good as Aquaman 2

    by tripp5

  • July 10, 2006, 8:20 a.m. CST

    lol, I can't believe I'm still willing to argue this

    by theoneofblood

    And to think I once thought I wasn't a geek, but a normal man. Pure lies! Look, there is only one way I'd accept the military being able to even scratch a Transformer. And that's if the Autobots gave some of their technology to us measly humans. They're just noble and trusting enough to possibly do it. THAT, I'd accept. But not merely because of an ammunition change. Yes, I'm aware of what Daisy Cutters and other such weapons can do, so what? Maybe the Transformers are made of an undiscovered alloy which is superdense and is utterly impervious to conventional weapons. It's quite feasible and pretty god-damn likely if you consider the fact that the Transformers have been around for a couple of millenia. Also, given that our computers are little more than rocks compared to their advanced AI, I wouldn't think a little thing like EMP would be even remotely threatening to them.

  • July 10, 2006, 8:20 a.m. CST

    oh and...

    by theoneofblood

    Yes I have seen that costume Batman wore, it looks gay and out of character and I hate it. That doesn't excuse Michael Bay for being shit.

  • July 10, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    where is this new optimus color scheme coming from??

    by syco

    is this a rumor? are optimus' colors not going yo be red and blue? please some1 let me know if this true!that would be the fuck up of all fuck ups!!! why would you even think of making optimus another color.JEEBUS! whats next? are they gonna make him a fuckin tricycle?please please please tell me this is just a rumor.oh and any transformer would whip on every single thundercats the same time.

  • July 10, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    No, its not a rumor. Latinoreview, AICN, and CHud confirmed it: optimus is blue and white. My personal belief is that Optimus is now a "world citizen" and is thus sporting the UN colors as opposed to the US red, white, and blue. Like I said earlier, I guess Bay couldnt wrap his noggin around the blue helmet. To make matters worse, syco, he's not even gonna have that visor except during action scenes. And its looking more and more likely that Cullen wont be voicing Optimus. Boy, Bay sure is happy, huh? If all this is true, I think it would be safe to say that the rumors of DeSanto being pissed super pissed about his supposed shut-out of this project were actually true. Time will tell, I'm sure.

  • July 10, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Franco--wrong talkback.

    by moondoggy2u

    Polanski jokes are in the Pirates talkback. And for the record, Polanski wouldn't call them molesticons. He would just make Arcee a young robot and call her a headmaster.

  • July 10, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST


    by cerebulon

    Come on everyone. All you fanboys out there. We are not talking Shakespeare... we are talking Transformers. The show was goofy and had no real appreciation for mass or physics. Let's not treat this as if it were the holy grail and damn the man for touching it. Michael Bay makes things go boom. To make this movie work you just need robots and explosions. Nothing more. It will sell a bunch of toys.

  • July 10, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by Cotton McKnight

    That is all.

  • July 10, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    The poster boy for ADD will make millions

    by Ziggurats'R'Us

    and I'll have another epileptic seizure if I watch even 2 minutes of his movies.

  • July 10, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Darth Pestilence

    UMMMM....what's a sporkacon? and this wasn't the greatest update ever, but i guess he did what he could. and boy is new zealand getting its revenue these days or what??

  • July 10, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker--quite your comlaining

    by moondoggy2u

    I'm sure this site maintains the highest objective standards and ethical discipline. After all, when has this site ever failed to report the facts as they happen in the context that said facts occur. Yackbacker, I'll not have you blatantly impune the likes of Harry, Quint, and others, not on my watch, mister.

  • July 10, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

  • July 10, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Optimus and Bumblebee

    by tile_mcgillus

    I had assumed the video was a fake but would love to see the movie stick that close to Optimus Prime, with the original color scheme of course. AICN posted the shot of bumblebee lying flat on his face and it looked very gaunt and stylized. So far Bay hasnt gotten anything right....I will just have to point to the successful geek things AGAIN to prove a point. LOTR, Spiderman, Batman Begins all stayed true to source material and were amazing and made mad bank. FF, LXG, Batman & Robin strayed heavily from source material and bombed. The numbers speak volumes.

  • July 10, 2006, 10:56 a.m. CST


    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • July 10, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by D-Mack

    That was boring as hell...

  • July 10, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Funny, I never thought Optimus had "Amurrikuh" colors

    by MrBoinfoint

    Just sorta thought he was a red truck. And as a robot, he had a red chest, blue legs and various silvery-grey parts. So, red, blue and grey. What flag is that again? Didn't see any stars or stripes on him. Oh yeah, and he was designed by a Japanese toy company and animated by Japanese artists. Of course, we all know that Michael Bay, the director of that anti-patriotic classic "Pearl Harbor" is only concerned with thumbing his nose at historic icons of Amrican strength such as alien robots that turn into semis. By the way, Cullen did a John Wayne impression for Prime not because Prime was American archetype, but because he was the combat general and transformed into a rig, so he added a hickey, southern drawl, like a truck driver. Finally, Clooney actually sounds quite a bit like Cullen, and if they absolutely have to use celebrity voice actors, and everyone fucking knows the movie business well enough to know that the studio will insist, then Clooney is a palatable alternative.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS not GoBots...

    by nonsensical

    When I went to see Pirates this weekend there was the teaser trailer for Transformers. In a theater of what I would call a cross section of people, there was an all girls basketball team there in uniform as well as children and just plain average people. In fact we didn't have one person dressed up or wearing a jolly roger t-shirt. So, my theater was filled with ordinary people. Anyway, when people saw the Transformers name they applauded. APPLAUDED! Then Michael Bay's name came up and the applauds stopped. The guy next to me asked out loud if that was real. When I told him to check out AICN or SuperHeroHype for images and descriptions of what is being screwed up he looked at me and said. Isn't that GoBots? How can it be called Transformers if they don't look like they are supposed to? If they don't look and sound like the Transformers then their the GoBots and GoBots were for poor kids. Personally, I have to agree, the more we learn the more this comes off like the poor man's Transformers. They should just call this movie what it is. GoBots, all they have to do is change Prime to the jet and Megatron to a motorcycle. I'm sure they can build a cool looking one and call it Cy-Kill. Now, if Bay and company do read this. Please realize the the fans and at least one theater of average folks who recognize the name Transformers want this to be right but they see Bay attached and they know it's getting screwed up. What does that say to you? Maybe you should stick closer to the source materials. Think about it.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Ya'll need to come down.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Seriously. In my opinion, we have yet to see anything truly substantial that justifies the kneejerk reaction coming from some of you. To quote Megatron, "Panic monger!". Granted, this field-report from Quint doesn't help much = no pictures and no robot design updates. But there is a lot of misinformation out there regarding this to the early script drafts that were passed around sometime ago. And apparently, very little to none of it will be in the film. The shooting script and character designs are supposedly under lock & key in Bay's personal safe (a tip recommended by Spielberg). So, I think all this hubbub about color schemes, battlemasks (Orion Pax, hello!), and the like is just silly speculation. I'm cautiously optimistic about this flick. The subject matter is nostalgic for me and has the potential to be kickcock. And as I've said in TB before - when we all get to see the first shot of a titular Transformer transforming, our hearts may just skip a beat. And may pump a little Energon.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Calm down not come down. My apologies.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

  • July 10, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    On the military being able to take down a single...

    by Childe Roland

    ...transformer: Why the happy fuck WOULDN'T they be able to? Have you guys saying they couldn't even read the original toy filecards? Quite a few of the G1 transformers were outfitted with CONVENTIONAL weapons (and those were circa 1984 weapons, to boot!). if memory serves, some fired wire-guided missiles, some had laser-guided rockets, some fired mortar shells, the jets in particular had heat seeking missiles, cluster bombs and variable caliber machine guns. So if the transformers used conventional weapons on each other effectively, why would it matter if humans were firing the conventional weapons? As for the rest of the pre-complaining, I still maintain we need to see a trailer with actual scenes from the movie before we can start to get a feel for what it might be like. Sure, it'd give me geekgasms if Cullen and Welker were cast as Prime's and Megatron's voices, but if I like what I see in a trailer I don't think their absence is going to keep me from seeing this. It's an interpretation of the mythos...the latest in a very long line of officially sanctioned interpetations. It doesn't retroactively wipe out all your fond childhood memories of the characters (as depicted in their toy bios, the comics or the cartoon -- all different from one another, I might add), so just relax. It may not be for you, specifically, but that doesn't mean it isn't legitimate and worth doing for a new audience.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Well, I need to come down

    by MrBoinfoint

    But then, I'm on a pretty heady cocktail of rufees, ecstasy, special K, and whatever that cough medicine super heroin stuff is killing kids these days. Yum.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?

    by Milton Waddams

    I guess Pearl Harbor sucked. Just a little more than I missed you....

  • July 10, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    The fans?

    by Lost Skeleton

    Dude...I love Transformers but there is no real canon to the cartoon. Dude...we are getting a fucking Michael Bay Transformers movie!!!

  • July 10, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Bay hasnt missed the point this much since Pearl Harbor

    by George Newman

    This movie does not need human charcters for the audience to sympathize with. The robots have enough personality for the audience to relate to, so there should not be any Tyrese and that white guy. Dang it all!!!! Pearl Harbor should have been about the heroes, not a central fictional love story. Transformers should be about the ROBOTS, not some stupid humans with their own subplots!! GAAAAHHHHHH

  • July 10, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by monkeybrow

    Pete Cullen can get away from "Pooh" animated series work

  • July 10, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Also, there is a ridiculous amount of credit

    by superninja

    being given here to Transformer technology. As Childe Roland pointed out, they didn't have ultra-advanced technology. The Cybertronian Wars decimated their technology - essentially setting them back to skirmishes and gorilla warfare methods. The journey to Earth was a risk that involved a lot of their resources. Of course, Bay won't likely pay attention to this very important fact, and will do something as in ID4 where the robots are brought down by a computer virus.

  • July 10, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Yes, it is Shakespearian. As about as much

    by superninja

    so as any other myth Shakespeare based his work on. I like how because it has robots and is based on a cartoon, it's now somehow less intelligent than the 99% of crap indie movies out there who don't understand character or story structure, yet are pretentious to the nth degree. What people like you miss out on is that this is a very thought out backstory with significant themes and well rounded characters. Just because you couldn't take the time to watch the cartoon and figure out it's about more than things exploding is more telling about you than anything else.

  • July 10, 2006, 2:03 p.m. CST

    movie version of alf

    by foree forehead

    they already made one, it's called 'permanent midnight.' this movie sounds bloody awful, i await the cringe-inducing 'welcum ta urth' cheeeeze. too bad coz i loved transformers.

  • July 10, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    About Transformers being too advanced to destroy.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Whatever. Sc-fi geeks have an exagerrated idea of how far weapons and metals technology still has to develop. Maybe some truly kick-ass weapon that can destroy a star will someday be invented [something that spawns a singularity or uses a massive amount of antimatter or something similar] but when it comes to weapons that work at the human / building / warship / transformer scale, our weapons are pretty damn good. [That was one of my problems with Independence Day. Nukes will destroy anything made of metal. And don't give me this "shields" bullshit. Nukes are destructive across all radiation wavelengths so to be nuke-proof you'd have to be impervious to natural light, too - in other words, if we can SEE their ships, nukes would destroy them.] If the Transformers are made of metal, the army has weapons that would destroy one. Period. It's like when they tried to make a realistic Godzilla - a realistic Godzilla gets cut to shreds by the army in 10 seconds. A realistic Transformer would be the same way.

  • July 10, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST

    bad boys 2 really was offensive.

    by mocky_puppet

    and i don't get offended easily, but that movie just made me frown. the worst was where will smith waves the gun in the face of the poor kid who has come to date martin's daughter. points the gun at the kid. and he's a cop. and that's supposed to be a joke. way to go, filmmakers, thanks a lot.

  • July 10, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Bay is a fucking HACK

    by NightArrows

    With a head shoved way up his own ass. "Hmmmm, let's take a built in fan base, and piss them off by changing iconic designs to reflect my complete and utter lack of creativity! AND add more explosions!!! YEAH" FUCK YOU BAY, fuck you and your silly ass piece of shit Bionocles movie, you donkey dick licking Lego pole smoker. Hope that hooker had herpes....

  • July 10, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by moto

    I want Cullen too. I'm a hardcore Transformers fan. But the movie isn't ruined if he's not in it. Quint described ONE DAY of shooting, and you guys are speculating that it will suck and focuses too much on the humans, etc. You haven't seen jack shit. Relax. Sit back. Wait. And go check out the movie when it debuts and make your judgements there. Any naysayer talkback is just DEAD PIXELS because no one has seen the movie. Not even a real trailer yet. I hope it's awesome, but just wait and see.

  • July 10, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by DrifterSage

  • July 10, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Tranformers... why?

    by Engineer_at_peac

    Why is a 1980's children cartoon being remade in a live action violence fest? I just don't see an audience for this.

  • July 10, 2006, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by Sleeping_Angel

    I actually like that you have coherent arguements, it's a nice change in this environment. you're right, I hadn't thought of molecular density, I think it's just habit to place 'unknown' inside the periodic table, when it's entirely possible they're on a whole new scale. and the A.I thing, yeah well they are all computers, and the fact they can make their own decisions about how they go about gaining power, that speaks volumes about how advanced they are. I'd like to see a transformer playing chess against deep blue.

  • July 10, 2006, 4:46 p.m. CST

    "I just don't see an audience for this."

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Ummm, you're kidding right?

  • July 10, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Lahey

  • July 10, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by moto

    True... and well said. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • July 10, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime is the Transformers.

    by superninja

    That is one piece that you really can't remove without diluting the power of the myth - sorry. It's like taking Captain America out of the Avengers. The other series, for example, are simply derivative of the original characters and storyline.

  • July 10, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Thank God they are NOT leaving him out...

    by moto

    Hey the voice may be gone, personaly Ireally want them to use the original Cullen voice as well. I'd cream my pants seeing a live action Prime with that voice on the big screen. We all would... despite the rest of the movie. But don't worry, Prime will be there in full force. Can;t wait to see how it turns out.

  • July 10, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST


    by moto

    THEN talkbacks will get REALLY out of hand!

  • July 10, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Prime Better look the same


    And uhh a species evolving for millions of years is classified as a Class#3 species a species who are no longer dependant on fossil fuels for energy AND no longer dependant on a STAR. We are a class#0, still dependant on fossil fuels. There is nothing known to man that can erradicate a class#3 species. And our vehicle to vehicle weapons certainly wouldn't dent them. MILLIONS OF YEARS. Some people have no grasp of what EXPONENTIAL GROWTH in technology means.

  • July 10, 2006, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Jesus fucking Christ!

    by thedarklinglord

    Are you fucking shitting me? I don't care how many explosions there were, this sounds like the most boring fucking shit since...well, the last Michael Bay movie. Given the movies is about the Transformers, and is even titled TRANSFORMERS, shouldn't there be fewer dillweed army dudes and more fucking Transformers? Who the fuck wrote this shit?

  • July 10, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST

    When's the GI Joe movie due?

    by mr.underwater

    And will Bay be behind that too? Perhaps that will become his niche. Singer will do comic books, Bay will do toys. Personally, I like big dumb action movies, and I thought Bay, even in his "prime," was strictly straight to video fare.

  • July 10, 2006, 7 p.m. CST

    Considering Its Bay, we all know what to expect

    by moondoggy2u

    Long, lingering closeups of every vehicle's make, model, and company logo, a complete lack of understanding of the source material, and reusing and exactly replicating stunts/effects from previous Bay movies. Of course, he says he's not copying himself, merely improving the stunts, but I digress.

  • July 10, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker!!! I thought of a better director for this

    by modlight

    We were having a little back and forth previously and you suggested Proyas... How about Verhoven. I don't know if he could do something that wasn't an R, but I think he could pull it off with flying colors. And everyone else quit whining. Its Transformers.

  • July 10, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST



  • July 10, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    I hate to sound like a pathetic geek, BUT...

    by GiggityGoo

    ...seriously, if Prime isn't red/blue/silver, and they don't get Peter Cullen to voice him... then it's obvious that the people making the film don't get what made it popular in the first place. I'll still see it, 'cause Bay knows how to do action and destruction, but something will be missing. Something crucial, in my mind.

  • July 10, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Oh, and as for voices: SOUNDWAVE

    by GiggityGoo

    I know that we probably won't be seeing a blue Walkman turn into a 50 foot tall robot, but my favorite voice effect from the cartoon was Soundwave. I love his voice more than I love James Earl Jones as Vader. I hope they find some way to work that awesome hollow emotionless electronic voice into the movie.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Awesome trailer complete with a blue sky on Mars

    by Doc_Strange

    Oh yeah that is some great editing there dickhead. Hmm I might be stupid but I didn't think the Transformers Mars is from the same universe as Total Recall. From the trailer alone, you can tell this movie is going to suck a big donkey's balls. For the people who say I will still see it, yeah I'll check it out....... on Xvid for FREE!!!

  • July 10, 2006, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Verhoven is not as good as I remember...

    by moto

    I watched Total Recall recently and once Quaid goes to Mars, the movie just takes a DIVE, with a few fun moments here and there. Everything on Earth with the future and Quaid's "who am I" storyline is AWESOME. But after that it's not that great. He did the shitfest that was Hollow Man. Starship Troopers was a fun romp, but not a great flick overall. Showgirls? BOMB. But hey, at least he got that Saved by the Bell chick naked. So basically, his best movie was Robocop. Basic Instinct was good as well. Overall, he's not consistant.

  • July 10, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Peter Cullen Is Too Old? WTF??

    by Hell's Cigarette

    What does this bullshit even mean? How can you be told old to voice a character? What a bunch of garbage. Peter Cullen is iconic to be sure...everyone knows he's Optimus Prime, but even so, your average no-nothing knows the guys from current commercials and trailer voice-overs. The guy is a golden god.

  • July 11, 2006, 1:45 a.m. CST

    like the sandworms in DUNE

    by erockwilly

    beetlejuice stole that shit.

  • July 11, 2006, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Desperate Need of G1 Optimus

    by Phategod1

    Bay has no idea how important cullen and that interpretation of Prime is to the Transformers He was more then a general who lead by example more like a father figure I mean after is said and done he never walked he'd never run, he was a winner he's got the moves he knows the streets, and broke the rules, took the heat was nobodys fool, he was at his best when the going gets rough, he was put to the test, but its never enough, cause he had the touch. he had the power.

  • July 11, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Was it too hard to follow the original material?

    by Bong

    What was wrong with it? the story was great as it is...I mena why THATS how the Transformers became popular. Why mess with a good thing? And as state dbefore the rbotos ALREADY had their own distinctive personalities. They didnt need to bring in Tyrese or other idiots. Geez these morons screw with the material and then complain if the movie doesnt live up to expectations

  • July 11, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST


    by Phategod1

    I was joking earlier but seriosly do we need tyrese or any other human besides Spike I just read that there is a rumor that Sound wave is going to be a helicopter. WTF this fim needs Frank Welker Chris Latta, and Cullen. not to mention Sound waves monotone voice and the best Scatman crouthers impersonation they can find for Jazz I so see this movie be screwed up with too many actors not enough Autobots and Decepticons Is Bay does read this please study the source its there is alot more there then just a 30 minute commercial. Honestly i can say that Optimus Prime was a father figure to me. and If given the choice of just remembering the cartoon or having someone screw it up ill settle for my childhood memories.

  • July 11, 2006, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Akira Would Have Been A Better Choice!!!

    by MetalWater

    Spielberg makes this piece of garbage cartoon into a movie...instead of truly great anime? It leaves me wondering what is going on in his head. Spielberg could have brought some of the most special and beloved anime to the movie screen ...including: Speed Racer, Astro Boy, Space Cruiser Yamato (Star Blazers), Robotech (series 1), Gundam, Akira and Perfect Blue. No...why make great anime into great movies, when you can simply turn cartoon garbage into live action trash!!! It makes no sense!!! That said, I'm curious to see if they can save themselves from a live action train wreck of a movie...script wise, etc., and somehow turn this into a workably film that will surprise viewers in a good way. BTW, even G-Force is better than The F'ing Transformers!!!

  • July 11, 2006, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Original Cartoon Shite...

    by Pawprint

    I thought. Have to say I am looking forward to the 'live action' version. I don't care about the voice actors; as long as they're good. I don't care if the Decepticons can be destroyed by humans; as long as it's not ridiculously easily done (which it doesn't look like it will be). I don't care if the robots tranform into giant battery powered dildos with snap-on attachments for food processing and nasal hair removal, instead of the original tanks and planes; as long as they look believeable. I don't care if the robots are painted green with huge pink cocks stencilled all over them; as long as they clash violently with other robots and the carnage is spectacular. In fact, I really don't care WHAT they change from the original; as long as this film is done well from the POV of giant robots fighting to the 'death' and causing lots of collateral damage, I will sit entranced, with my brain switched off, shovelling fistfuls of overpriced popcorn into my gaping, slack-jawed mouth, going 'Huh huh huh. Robots. Cool', under my breath. And I will be entertained. Which, in the end is all that matters.

  • July 11, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST

    For the first time ever, i really don't mind

    by ArkadyRenko

    Michael Bay is a truly terrible hack director. He's so bad he gives hacks a bad name. In the past he has screwed, shitted and fucked movies that belong to genres i particulary like or love. Armageddon and The Island fucked up SF, Pearl Harbor is a historical abomination, and the Bad Boyses is a dumb on the tough cop genre. AndThe Rock is the worst Alcatraz movie ever made, and only people with a severe need for explosions fixes, as if they are junkies, can even mistake the later as anything remotly good. Yes, The Rock is Bay's best movie, in the sense that it is his less shitty. Yes, with Transformers, for the very first time Bay is making a movie where i have no investment on it. I never cared about Transformers, not even back in the day when the cartoon was aired. National TV never showed much of it, anyway, maybe we go an imcomplete season at most. And even at that tender age, i didn't though much of the show. Hell, Thundercats looked better to me, and in hindsight Thundercats was not even very good! I tell you, you grow up watching cartoon shows like "Conan: Future Boy", and even at 10 years of age everything else will look shallow and uninteresting, not to mention that action will look recycled and repetitive. I know that for some nostalgia is a powerful emotion (it is to me as well), but hell, to see grown up 20s and 30s years old people singing praises and drooling on a Transformers movies is just weird! Nostalgia cannot explain or excuse that, man! And to make matters worst, this is a movie directed by Michael Bay. Truly, there's some extraordinarily gulllible people here.... not to mention naive! But maybe all this is for the best, and when the movie cames out the the Trasnformer geeks see the abomination this movie will be, and how even the action junkies will be alienated by all the big CGI toy action, and the movie flops hard, finally, finally, michael Bay's carrer will be hurt so bad he will finally be removed form making big budget studio movies and go back to what he can only do: dumb music videos for dumb rappers. P.S.: Why is nobody calling this movie a remake, anyway? why is that? Is this a "reimagining", like tim Burton's Planet Of The Apes or soemthing? And if it is, well, look at how the other turned out!

  • July 11, 2006, 8:45 a.m. CST

    by syco

    ummmm metalwater FUCK YOU.....ummmmmm pawprint i got sumthin you can put into your gaping slak-jawed mouth- and i wont even charge you .... does matter if the charachters are original and faithful to the source material.... how would you like it if they had changed FRODO into a female hobbit or not made anikin lukes father after all.optimus prime was a RED & BLUE semi.plain and simple. Ultra Magnus was white. bumble bee was yellow and sideswipe was a red lambo. all bay has to do to work optimus into the movie is when teletran 1 chooses his stelth or non robot form is scan the immediate area and viola! theres an old red & blue semi broken down and its done.please dont fuck this up BAY! please

  • July 11, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    All I had to see was...

    by HoboJuiceExplosion

    the word Tyrese and I know this movie is going to be a steaming pile of shiznite. Of course the words "Michael Bay" pretty much fucked this one up from the get go anyway...

  • July 11, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I don't mind the human angle, as long as

    by superninja

    it's balanced by the robot's own personalities. After all, that was how the show began. Of course, everyone hated Spike and his dad, but it is an okay storytelling device if done well. The problem is, it is often not done well. I think it's great how the fans support Cullen and the original Prime and understand how crucial that characterization is to the Transformers. If Bay wants to make his own Superman Returns, with alien robots no one can relate to (or in Prime's case, greatly admire), then he's going to make Superman numbers instead of POTC2 numbers.

  • July 11, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I can't tell if Phate is being serious or not

    by superninja

    But I think the draw of Transformers largely centers on Prime's trustworthy leader/father figure. I can't tell you how many people were traumatized by his character dying in the TF: Movie. Haha. For whatever reason, that character resonates with a lot of people. Maybe it has something to do with latchkey kids? I am trying to think of a similar character that has broad appeal for those reasons.

  • July 11, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I Don't See The Big Deal

    by aerostarmonk

    Maybe I'm just too young. I dunno. But to the guy saying changing colors would be like making Frodo a girl, or having Anakin not be Luke's father, I think you're taking it a little too seriously. Making Prime a female, or a human would be like the things you mentioned not changing the colors. Of the episodes I've seen, I fail to see the subtext you guys have pointed out. But then again I'm from another generation, Beast Wars was my generation's Transformers, and I like that better than it's predecessor, and I surely hope they don't one day turn that into a movie.

  • July 11, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    the GoBo... err Transformers Teaser...

    by nonsensical

    So, did anyone else get that Transformers Teaser Trailer during their showing of Pirates? My Audience did. It was awesome, not the trailer, but the audience. In what I would call the most diverse audience I have ever seen they applauded when the Transformers name came up. Then abrubtly stopped and gave a collective "Awww!" When Bay's name appeared. It was like watching a child take it's first steps and then proceed to fall down a flight of stairs. That kind of "Aww Crap, Aww". Also, to clarify diversity of audience, we did not have one single person wearing a jollly roger t-shirt or dressed up like a pirate, we did have a girls basketball team, kids, adults, teens, seniors, and a couple who desperately tried to have sex during the film, but failed. We even had people who were visiting the US from Germany. Yup. Totally average people, who apparently love the idea of Transformers, but know that Micheal Bay will screw it up. Even the Germans looked at the implied shadow and said, isn't that a GoBot? To which their friend replied, weren't GoBots the Transformers that poor kids had? You know when you couldn't afford the Transformers? This made me laugh because it looks like we're getting a GoBots movie, which means Bay and Co. just can't afford to buy a Transformers film.

  • July 11, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    What about the cars?

    by racergirl

    Has anybody seen the cars? The Decepticon police car, which is a Mustang, and the Camaro Saleen? Bumblebee so annoyed me when I was a kid, and I consider this makeover not a bad thing at all. So, not everything is crap. Yet. And one can't write off an entire movie because of the description of one scene.

  • July 11, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST


    by Mr Nice Gaius

    It's not the scene description that's got these guys all riled up. It's the alleged changing of Prime's color scheme, the possibility that Cullen & Welker won't be voicing the 2 main characters, and the notion that this will be a human driven story as opposed to a robot-centric one. It's interesting cause none of this has been confirmed...despite what they will tell you. It comes down to Bay choices as a director and whether or not he has already had final say in these decisions. Considering that the movie just starting filming a little while ago and isn't due for release for another year, I'm willing to say that we haven't seen anything substantial that warrants this kind of reaction.

  • July 11, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST


    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Did anyone see the 3 minute E! segment on "Transformers" last night?

  • July 11, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Beast Wars would not make a good live action

    by superninja

    film, as it's set in prehistoric times. All CGI is the perfect medium for Beast Wars. Which, by the way, is a pale imitation of G1. G1 is the most engaging because of the human element and dragging us into their war. However, the human motivation is nothing short of simply befriending the Autobots (a la Rick Jones and the Hulk) or being used by the Decepticons. They are NOT the main characters, they are more or less pawns, as Mr. Nice Gaius correctly states.

  • July 11, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST

    No, Mr. Nice Gaius. Did you? If so, spill.

    by superninja

    You're right about the humans. The point of the Transformers is not a "triumph of the human spirit" story, which inevitably is what will happen when they make the fleshbags into the main characters. :) It's about the Autobots standing between us and the Decepticons when they really have no reason to other than they're the good guys.

  • July 11, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by Pawprint

    Hmmm... I think you'll find a world of difference between changing colours on a Transformer and making Frodo female, or not making Darth Vader Luke's father. Changing the colour of a Transformer is a minor difference to say... oohh, I don't know - changing the whole story arc of a six-film set by taking out the most important thread. But maybe if you had spent more time in school learning as opposed to bunking off to watch cartoons about giant robots, you wouldn't be making such fundamental errors. Hey, you might even find that your spelling improved! English IS your first language isn't it? By the way, I clean my teeth regularly, so there's no need for you to be putting a toothpick in my mouth...

  • July 11, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Desanto is probably the only one that gets

    by superninja

    it (he preserved the X-Men's characterizations from being Superman Returns'ed) and he's been shoved out from what I understand.

  • July 11, 2006, 1:58 p.m. CST

    How about making Darth Vader purple?

    by superninja

    See? - stupid. Or Captain America in a nice pink tutu.

  • July 11, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    I feel like a teacher explaining to retarded children..

    by Pawprint

    Yes, make Darth Vader purple; but keep it in context - the Emperor's personal guard wore a dark maroon/blood colour helmet and robe, so yes put Vader in an outfit of deep, deep shades of purple - he's still Vader. Capt America did not wear a Tutu - pink or otherwise - so that's just daft. As long as they are giant robots which fight spectacularly and look spectacular, then there is no real reason to get all hysterical about what colour their markings are! So, Optimus Prime NEVER ONCE changed colour throughout the entire run of the Transformers cartoons, or the comics, no? No?

  • July 11, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST


    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Agreed, the story should be robot-centric and not a "human" story. Granted, humans will have to play a roll in the film...they just shouldn't be the main focus. Who knows. Maybe they are limited with the amount of $/time they can keep that many CGI characters on the screen. We'll just have to wait and see.

  • July 11, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Call me crazy but....

    by robomatt

    Should't the stars of a Transformers movie be... THE TRANSFORMERS?!? Can I have an Amen??? Ameeeeuuun!! What has kept the Transformers property popular for over 25 years are the characters, the story and cool tranforming toys. From what I read and have seen we will have cool transforming robots that can be blown up by A-10 warthogs. If you read the bios of the transformers many of them have guns that can turn a mountain into rubble. So in this movie they are so weak that conventional bombing kills them? In this movie Optimus and the autobots should be the only thing standing between the decepticons and the "miserable flesh creatures". Not special forces. I hope the characterization and bios of the transformers are emphasized rather than focusing on a kid getting his first car. Who cares about that story line? Does Bay understand this property? I hope the producers Tom Desanto and Don Murphy make sure this film is not a complete waste of time and money. I will be glad if I am wrong in my perception about this movie.

  • July 11, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Yeah but,

    by MrBoinfoint

    In the comics version of Star Wars, because they couldn't realistically depict black with four color inks, Vader's suit was printed in shades of greyish purple. It was a change appropriate for the medium, so that it would look best in that medium. He still had the same character, even though he was purple. And that's all that matters. Red semi, white car carrier, crappy John Wayne impression, Clooney minus head bobbing, it's all academic and pointless if they get the character right. That said, do I think Michael Bay will get Prime's character right? Nah.

  • July 11, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by racergirl

    Until I see something official on the color change and omission of Welker and Cullen, I'm going to treat that like it's rumors. And hopefully it will be.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, you mean in a Cannonball Run

    by superninja

    sort of way? Oh, look, it's Bernie Mac as a used car salesman trying to sell me Bumblebee. Well, I doubt that's going to be the case. If you look on IMDB and given the scene described above, there is a heavy human element included with several characters in military roles. Suggesting that the humans confront the robots militarily. When they relaunched the TF in the comic books, the storyline included the humans trying to control the TF as war machines. This sounds like something similar, where the Autobots and humans will eventually work together and gang up on the Decepticons. Whereas, the humans should be minor supporting characters. Although, I give Bay credit for not having chicks in bikinis in a car wash washing the TFs, but there is still time even for that Bayism.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Roger that, racergirl

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Personally, I don't mind the supposed color change as long as the design remains intact. But I do think it would be a nice touch to have Cullen and Welker voice Prime and Megatron.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    As long as they portray Optimus as a

    by superninja

    John Wayne-esque character with moral leadership, I would be fine with the color changes, although I think that's a stupid move from a marketing standpoint. If they don't get his body style right, which is more heavy and less sleek, they will have to change the voice because it won't line up with the visuals.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Like I said, we'll just have to wait and see. I still stand by my previous statement - I'm hopeful that our collective geek jaws will hit the floor when we finally get to see one of the main characters transform for the first time. What I really don't want to see is a scene at the end of the movie where Bumblebee and Prime start singing "Bad boyz, bad boyz, whatcha gonna do-oo?". Bayisms indeed.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Well, there is a female character in

    by superninja

    the movie, and I think there has yet to be a Bay movie that doesn't have a sappy romance unecessarily attached, so there you go. It is doomed if Will Smith is the voice of any of the TF. That means we're subjected to his soundtrack contributions.

  • July 11, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Script review over at SPOILERS

    by superninja First, they get an object in Transformer mythology incorrectly named. While this may be nitpicky, what they do with it is not - and it's already been done. Second, in my opinion, they have reduced their motivation to something less natural (and less interesting about the nature of war) and more forced. But there is lots of action. And it does sound like it was loosely based on the lackluster Dreamwave story.

  • July 11, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Latino Review

    by racergirl

    I guess they either did not know the proper term for what they were talking about, or they didn't want to confuse the matrix of leadership with The Matrix.

  • July 11, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST



    actually when it comes to the design.... it's really going to come down to ILM and the other companies designing them. Bay will have the final word but i'm pretty sure he will let the effects and design department decide on the look of the characters. That's what they're there for. I think they could always convince even if that wasn't the case. So if any of you are listening. Just make sure they don't look like the citreon commercial.....THAT is a gobot, not a transformer. Transformers don't have they're joints as visible. Just look at how they are portrayed in the newish comics, or MASTERPIECE PRIME for example. That is the PERFECT Prime. Please get this right.

  • July 11, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST

    That's what it is called in the script.

    by superninja

    Anyway, it's not nearly as strong as the stranded on Earth trying to get back to Cybertron concept. It adds an air of desperation that is interesting. That concept has better legs for sequels. These guys just DON'T get it.

  • July 11, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Still Confused

    by aerostarmonk

    Maybe if I were 6 to 10 years older I would understand the whole Transformers thing. But as of now I don't understand who asked for this movie, and the way you guys are complaining, who really wants it. Outside of you guys there hasn't been a public outcry for the making of a TF movie. But then again what do I know?

  • July 11, 2006, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I'm going to guess you don't know anything.

    by superninja

    Just a hunch. This movie is not for you. So why do you care how we feel about it? Lots of people like this concept and are familiar with the Transformers. Stop dismissing it just because it has robots and is based on a cartoon.

  • July 11, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    It's clear - US Military vs. Autobots vs. Decepticons

    by McGsStepson

    Judging by that screenplay review and the interview at Latino Review with Michael Clarke Duncan. He talks about the character he was supposed to play - a SEAL that leads a team agains the Transformers. And he explicity says, "I was supposed to be the Navy Seal guy taking my team in against the Transformers. Man, that is like heaven! To dream that you head up a SEAL team to go against the Transformers?"

  • July 11, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Transformers is

    by superninja

    Bridge On the River Kwai, except they're robots that can turn into vehicles for camouflage. Oh, and the territory is whole planet and not just Thailand. And the bridge goes from Earth to Cybertron.

  • July 11, 2006, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Duncan said he really likes the Transformers,

    by superninja

    really likes Optimus Prime, but that he just couldn't make it work and now he's not in the film. Hmm...

  • July 11, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I just hope Bay and the producers show up at Comicon

    by Doc_Strange

    So people can tell them how much they fucked up their childhood. I'll be there in the first row laughing at their idiotic excuses as to why they felt they had to change an iconic character that worked 100% to a totally unrecognizable character who looks nothing like what we as fans grew up with. And I'll be one of the many people who'll walk out unceremoniously, showing my non-support for this film. Hell, I'll even go so far as to point out what I'll be wearing in case any of the movie crew shows up. Dark blue jeans, a cool button shirt and a black jacket. Damn, I really am an uncompromising asshole aren't I?

  • July 11, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I'm Not Dismissing It

    by aerostarmonk

    Because it's a cartoon or about robots, I'm quite sure it'll be a fun movie. No what I'm confused about is why so many of you are working your way towards strokes over color schemes and voice actors. They haven't taken your childhood memories away, they haven't burned every copy of the original series, or every toy from the original collection. All they have done so far is work on an adaptation of a popular cartoon series from the 80s. If it keeps the spirit of the show, and the show is good as you say, then it won't matter if Optimus is green and orange. As long as he has a respectable voice and the whole movie is treated as such, then you guys have yourselves a decent movie, or at the very least a fun one. And FYI, Beast Wars was set in the distant future, not prehistoric times. Not saying it was the best show around, but it was pretty good if you're a ten year old in 96.

  • July 11, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST

    It's Already Been Done Justice

    by aerostarmonk

    It's already been done justice once. According to you, they did it right, and especially well the first time. So if they fail this time it really won't ruin anything but a few careers that probably deserved ruining in the first place.

  • July 11, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    aerostarmonk you are WRONG!

    by nonsensical

    Beast Wars was set in the past before the Autobots and Decepticons awoke. The characters were from the future but not quite the distant future you would think. The Japanese Transformers series goes well into earths future around halfway through the 23rd century. Beast Wars characters are from the middle of the 26th century. Given that the Great War lasted four million years with many of the same characters surviving while not in stasis from the crash, Beast Wars Maximals and Predacons were not from a distant future, but a near future. However, the stories and the episodes were set about 100,000 years in earths past. Before the volcano erupted and while man was in its infancy. Get your facts straight. As for what we are getting. We are getting the GoBots with the Transformers name. To most any Transformers fan that is a terrible insult. I mean seriously they can't even get the mythos correct. Bay is a moron and is quickly on his way to screwing this up... no wait, he already did.

  • July 11, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST

    QTN: Looks like you might be right about that...


  • July 11, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST

    QTN: Heres that link:


  • July 11, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Hey everyone, check this out...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

  • July 11, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST

    I Bow To Your Superior Knowledge

    by aerostarmonk

    Like I said I was ten, and it wasn't even my favorite show, just a show that came on before my actual favorites. In my hometown they showed it at seven-thirty on Saturday mornings, and when it got enough eps, at two-thiry on weekday afternoons. If it's such a major insult then you don't have to see the film. But I don't see why it should be insulting, your show, mythos intact or not, out of countless other shows from the 80s was picked to become a multimillion dollar franchise. One that will most likely be successful. So it may not be exactly the way you remembered, but think of it this way, millions of people will now seek out what inspired the film in the first place and they might feel the same way you do. It looks like a win-win situation to me. I've never had a problem with adaptations, even bad ones, remakes and reimaginings, if I don't like them so be it, the ones I love are still around and the people who are interested will look for them and hopefully share the same joy I have had for years.

  • July 11, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Regarding that link...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I found that on YouTube. Apparently, it is a sanctioned preview for the movie shown at some Transformers convention. It contains a lot of fan testimonials, random series clips, and various internet test footage. HOWEVER, pay attention for the segment where Spielberg appears. You will notice that there are some actual Pre-Viz shots for upcoming scenes in the movie. You can tell by the text at the bottom of the screen. there are also a couple of quick shots of concept art (I noticed Optimus's head). It's very brief and I wish it was better quality. Check it before it's yanked off YouTube. Cheers.

  • July 11, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Peter Cullen

    by racergirl

    I looked him up on to see if it has anything on upcoming projects, but there isn't anything listed. However, on wikipedia, his page has been updated and says he has indeed auditioned for the voice of Optimus Prime for the movie. I know it's wiki, and needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but still interesting.

  • July 12, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, that was definitely

    by superninja

    Prime in that concept art. Thanks for the link.

  • July 12, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST

    QUINT, about that airplane...

    by Cold Winter Wind

    If it had four engines and was prop driven, it probably was a C130; and, if the machine gun sticking out the side was a GE MiniGun (i.e., a Gatling-type multibarrel) then that variant of the aircraft was affectionately known in the 'Nam as Puff, the Magic Dragon because at night you could see muzzle-flash shoot about 20 feet out the side. Often referred to as the non-chemical defoliant because of it's 5,000 rounds-per-minute rate of fire.

  • July 12, 2006, 3:09 a.m. CST

    by Frank The Rabbit

  • July 12, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST


    by theoneofblood

    The only logical answer is that he offers premium bowjobs to some high-up general. In fact, I believe Michael Bay's entire career may be constructed on his unerring ability to suck cock like a vacum.

  • July 12, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    actually, bay gets the military support

    by moondoggy2u

    because he's willing to raise the flag during his bullshit movies and because he's willing to pay an arm and a leg for their support. Dont even get me started on his idiotic bomb shots in pearl harbor ("oh look, isnt that so cool to see soldiers get blown up! wow, nifty, neato!) If I had my way, I'd beat that little shit to a near pulp if I ever caught him crossing my path. No, not for his message or his views, but for his complete lack of creativity and humanity. Yeesh, what a deuche.

  • July 12, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by BilboRing

    Article is too fucking long to read. What happened?

  • July 12, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    this clear over reaction

    by hesh monster

    the one thing that jumps out at me when i am reading this is the 'clear over reaction' to this picture.yes it is a diffrent style of truck to the origional and yes the flame styling looks a little off but let us not forget that this is a film that will have 3 story robot kicking the living shit out of each other.And to those of you who say that you arent going to see this movie because of the teaser announcement, or the fact they have strayed from the source material will have this on their head if this film fails it will likely kill any chance of seeing a transformers movie that includes unicron, and if that happens i will be seriously pissed as that is one of the things i need to see before i die.

  • July 12, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies?

    by glitzless


  • July 12, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST

    TMNT was the best franchise of the 80's..

    by beamish13

    not TRANSFORMERS, although I have good memories of listening to a 33 1/3 RPM and picture book TRANSFORMERS combo. The turtles were funnier, the films and shows were better, and the toys were simply more fun (the pizza thrower, anyone?)

  • July 12, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST

    in deffence of mr bay

    by hesh monster

    looking at a couple of other directors, firstly brian singer.

  • July 12, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST

    continuation of my first comment

    by hesh monster

    When he was announced as the director of xmen people,including folk on this site,were far fromm pleased. they were unhappy about well everything the script the costumes the casting of halle berry...ok on that one they had a point,but he made a great movie.Then he made the second one and everyone was so hyped, the film rocked then he jumped ship for the third to make superman and some people,many from this site hated him and now that its released the film as well.Secondly we have a director that i cant stand but will use him as an example anyway ,m night.He made the rather good sixth sence, then the not bad unbreakable then the so so signs and the fucking terrable village. And now to my point, bay has made the rock(not to bad), aramgedon (eh!), pearl harbour (what the fuck) and bad boyz1 and 2 (no sequle required) so perhaps he will pull off transformers in a blaze of piro technic glory. if not then i will gladly retract my current views, but lets give him a chance. I mean you cant fuck up a film that involves giant robots...can you?

  • July 13, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Bay could have been perfect...

    by photoboy

    ... if there had been someone to tell him that he's not allowed to fuck with the classic G1 designs and that all he has to do is point the camera and film giant robots fighting. As soon as he started making Prime a non-Kenworth truck and that stupid Bumblebee design it became clear he's just going to fuck with everything that would have made this film work. It worked in the '80s it would work now.

  • July 13, 2006, 5:37 a.m. CST

    by hesh monster

    what i was trying to put across was that singer, who is a very talanted director,has had a very stong career from the start and has reccently "miss fired" with superman.bay however has had a very so so career to date and this could be the film that we the fans can enjoy and be proud of and a film that could start bay on the right path.And excuse the spelling it is one of the many side effects of to much alcohol.

  • July 13, 2006, 10:34 p.m. CST

    As a fan, I hope this rocks

    by LordSoth

    I have no doubt the action in this movie will be awesome. What will fans by the DVD though is how much of the spirit of the Transformers is here. People say spirit, but really, they want as much of the G1 backstory, look, and voices as possible. Who and what they are remaining intact is what is really the concern of the fans. They don't want a Highlander 2. The majority of the money from this flick will be from toy fans and kids (and their parents). And, there's no reason to not try and take all the money one can from 30 year old geeks.

  • July 14, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay signing his death warrent?

    by Pageiv

    If Bay is blowing up a Mosque in the movie, doesnt he know some looney muslim will declare a Fatwa on him?

  • July 16, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Don Murphy?

    by ArkadyRenko

    Isn't Don Murphy the bitch-ass that put the blame of The Island's failure on the actors? (and the fact the movie sucks ass had nothing to do with it!!). And i can't see any reason why we should lament a Fatwa on Bay.

  • July 16, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Some loony Muslim?

    by Hairy Nutsack

    It won't take a loony Muslim, if Bay doesn't come up with something brilliant to alleviate some of our fears at ComicCon then WE'RE going to declare a Fatwa on him. (attention lawyers, this is a metaphorical Fatwa and not an actual one, this statement should not be construed as anything other than geeky angst over Bay's terrible choices)Yeah man Fatwa, Fatwa.

  • July 17, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The Uncaring + Bay-ass bitches

    by ArkadyRenko

    ------ Point one: As i comented in a previous post, i truly don't care about this movie. If it fails miserably at the box office and if it's an artistic and entertainmnet fiasco, i'll not be in the slightest suprised, given the filmmaker to whom this movie was given. But i will be totally flabesgasted ifit's good, i9 tell you that. but chances are, it will not be such. Thing is, Transformers says nothing to me. I didn't grew up with the cartoon or the toys. Even back in my very late childhood/early teenhood, i found the animation of the show poor and simple, and the stories simple too silly. But then again, i grew up watching FUTURE BOY CONAN, the Miyazaki's TV masterpiece, so the fact that i was not impressed with lesser stuff should not be much of a suprise. Also, Transformers only run for a very short time in this neck of the woods, so attatchment to it is pratically nil. I got to see much more of Thundercats, if you need comparison. The only positive thing i can see of Transformers is that it helped Orson Welles pay his bills in his later years of his life. Transformers' cartoon very clear intention and statment was to be an aid to sell the toys, and even a kid could see that even in the much more naive times of the early 1980s. So, the only enjoyment i might get from this movie is of a shaudenfreude kind, the gleee to see it crash and burn. -------------- Point Two: For the life of me i can't understand why the geekoids keep on expecting great things from hack mediocrity Michael "Gay" Bay. The man's film carrer is made of complete utter shit, with the sole exception of The Island, which is merely mediocre. Bay as constantly proved himself to be the man to whom you cannot get low enough in the capacity to screw up a movie. There's nothign he touches he can turn into shit. He's the Anti-Midas, the owner of an extraordinary anti-talent that turns anything into fucking shit. This geekoids, because they had their first virginal sexual pleasure wacking one at accound on Sean Connery's toup

  • July 17, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Review reviews in review

    by Dedwrekka

    Alright, so let me sum up your complaints here: 1)A director. known for his big explosions, is putting big explosions in a scene that calls for big explosions that is within a movie that on it's own calls for many big explosions. 2) The director who is known for having good computerized graphics in his movies, is directing a film that calls for lots of computerized graphics. 3) That a super intelligent and advanced toaster that turns into another form of super-advanced toaster, is turning into a super advanced, but differently shaped, toaster, and it's the wrong color (Racists, hehe). 4) In a movie based off of a cartoon in which the humans have corny acting, the human actors have corny parts. 5) Not enough pirates 6) That a military that has been researching ways of defeating armies more advanced than them, can infact (with a very concerted and hard fought effort mind you) defeat a single lesser soldier of an army more advanced than them. 7) That the super-advanced toaster that gets it's butt kicked more often than any of the other super-advanced toasters in the entire series, does in fact get it's butt kicked after a hard fought fight. 8) Not enough ninjas 9)That another movie that has not been released, sneak previewed, or even fully filmed has not lived up to your expectations based upon what rumors you've heard over the internet. 10) Not enogh ninja pirates 11) That this review of the shooting of the movie, is extreemly anecdotal despite the fact that all reviews, interviews, previews, and near everything with "view" as part of the spelling are, in-fact, anecdotal and based on the person doing them. 11) Not enough good-aligned super advanced toasters in a sceen that only involves a single bad-aligned super-advanced toaster. I grew up watching the show, so I realize I can get away with calling them super-advanced toasters because of how corny the shows themselves were.

  • July 17, 2006, 4:39 p.m. CST

    C 130

    by SJester25

    If it was identified as a C-130, and had guns jutting from the side, you may have been looking at an AC 130 Spectre, that venerable cargo plane converted for close air support and general ripping the hell out of everything. I do know that they mounted a 105mm gun, at one point, which would make sense with an actor shouting to bring on the 105, especially as A-10s don't mount anything like that normally. (Built around a 30 mm cannon I think, the GAU 8. Armor piercing rounds, seven barrels in a titanium tub. This is recalled from my boyhood, so I may misremember.) Anybody confirm?

  • July 17, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    by PixieDust

    I've pretty much accepted the fact that there will be changes. Some of the characters will have different color schemes or voices and maybe even be based on different vehicles or objects than I remember. No biggie and forgiveable *if* the movie is good. What I saw in the trailer does not bode well though. I could think of several scenes that would be a lot more exciting...what they showed was pathetic. I mean c'mon...what are they doing on Mars? Taking a pitstop? To trash one dinky lil NASA probe? *rolls eyes* Should've been a scene showing the Autobots boarding a ship and fleeing the Decepticons in a running battle. Have the Autobots seemingly elude the Decepticons and looking for a place to stop and repair and then show the Decepticons haven't lost them and are quietly following behind with Earth in the background. THAT would have been cool. Instead we got a giant robot that decides to punt some piece 'o junk probe in the middle of nowhere. Meh. If they can't take the time to make a decent trailer then I'm not getting my hopes up for the movie itself.

  • July 19, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    I just went through the whole ComicCon schedule and all I found about this movie was a tiny mention in the Paramount panel. Did I miss it? Is there going to be a Transformers panel or what?

  • July 19, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST


    by thrillkillbill

    If Paramount is there, I wouldn't be surprised if they have something cool to share about the movie, but I dont know since the trailer JUST came out.

  • July 20, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay will ruin this movie

    by Wrangler

    I've seen all his stuff, and he ruins anything that has a strong background with his own idea on how it should be. Beagle 2 Probe having rover on it? It didn't have one. Just like pearl harbor, this is going suck if your hard core fan of TF.