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Thar She (Blows, Or Doesn't Blow!?!?) Here Be Thy PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST Talkback!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
AICN readers may be surprised to learn that a movie called PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: DEAD MAN'S CHEST is gliding into theaters today...waaaaayyyyy under the radar.
Feel free to voice your love, disdain, or neutrality for this understated little ditty in the Talkback below!
Purists may want to tread carefully, for...
HERE THERE BE SPOILERS!!!
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TB fight commence....Stonehenge...prepare for your nuggets to be flicked
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too much action, not enough plot is the word.
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With any movie like this, it's never going to be fresh, but this movie, like so many others, get unduely trashed on there due to their averaging. See it for yourself, it's a wonderful visual spectacular to behold! ARRRRRGGH!!!
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the first one was remarkably well reviewed, so that's what i'm looking at right now. don't get me wrong, i'm going to the 1015 showing this morning, so i'll check it out for myself.
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...neither one knocked it out of the park, though Depp is, by far, the best Actor America has.
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Fucking awesome. Some of the action scenes were literally stunning. The ending was also a huge thrill...building up a second sequel that, if done right, could top the rest.
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Please! My last (well, next to last) bottle of rum to those who can explain the rules or what was happening during the dice game. No one in my group followed it entirely.
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is that the original attained a 79% on RT.....so a movie "like this" can get a good score...still want to see it however
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No doubt the movie will be super huge at the box office, but I think a lot of people are going to be let down. The audience I saw it with last week was not all that jazzed by what they were watching.
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Fuck those old ass, jaded, failed filmmaker media shills. The real film geeks think it kicks ass and that's all I care about.
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You first.
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simple, you had to guess how many of a number were face up in total, judging from your own throw. I thought this was a great film though I still cringe at Orly's earnestness when he speaks. The end was superb especially the big surprise, though I'd guessed it about halfway through. Can't wait for the third one, and I'm a little depressed that it might actually be better than Superman. Who'd have thought?
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Me, too! I have NO CLUE what that damn dice game was about. I enjoyed the film, though. Felt like it needed a little bit of trimming (15 minutes or so), but I thought it was tremendous fun, wildly imaginative, and more enjoyable than the first (which I thought was "Okay, but not GREAT).
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We did understand that there was guessing on how many were facing up, Fuxxy Elf (Great name!), but Will/Bootstrap (was a little tired) said it was a game of deception, and the official board game says the same. So, they wager, roll, guess, and then look underneath... But where is the deception beyond that? Can they change the wager or guess after that, or does someone fold? They were hiding the results from each other afterall. Again, any help here is welcome!
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Critics are like assholes everyone has them and they stink.
I will see this tomorrow, that luc besson film District 13, anyone know about that.
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1s count as 2 and a bit (and they're also wild). I used to play that game on cash notes as well, using the banking number, or whatever that number is. Whoever gets it right, or challenges when the other person's got it wrong, wins the notes. Remember though kids, gambling's wrong, and is in no way endorsed by AICN. Constant masturbation on the other hand...
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Unlike the first, which could use 20-30 minutes trimming, this one could've done with only 15 or so. The Kraken stuff was a little overlong. Otherwise, thumbs up. It has a better groove than the first, and they kept it twisty and lively.
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At least one of the bad reviews on rotten tomatoes was giving it low marks because Captain Jack Sparrow was no longer a gay icon. Some of those reviewers are simply dim. Many say things like 'Its too action packed' or 'it was exciting and entertaining but at 2.5 hours it was too much of a good thing so it gets a bad rating'.
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"To stay alive in Pirates Dice, you must bluff - or be bluffed. To win in Pirates Dice, you must double cross your way to victory. Never trust a Pirate." See, where is all the bluffing and double crossing coming in? This is from the $20 game they are selling. I almost want to break down and buy it for just the RULES, the bastards.
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If you guess 12 threes it's safe to bet you have a fair number of three's yourself, but I guess you're trying to make the other player believe you've got a fair number of threes if you haven't so that they up their guess and thus get it wrong. Hence deception and bluffing.
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Just thought I'd post some "real" news/facts about SR. I've tried to start up some intelligent discussion in other threads but only a few seem interested (Thanks to those true movie lovers) All else just want to trash and be outrageous. So first, I read over on superherohype that SR smashed IMAX box office records and second Singer announced that all involved were excited for the eventual sequel. Two main points of the trash talkers basically addressed (BO & Sequel) I believe total Bo so far is around $150 million in less than two weeks (8 day's) I refuse to engage in all the absurd flaming back and forth so don't bother trying to bate me. SR is on it's way to a respectable "take". I am not one of those "either or" limited thinking type. I can't wait to see POTC this weekend and hope it kicks all sorts of ASS. God I love the cinema experience! (barring cellphone, chatter and general asswipes) I think it's been a great summer so far. Loved MI3, really liked X3, and loved SR. NO I'm not an apologist (what the f does that acheive anyway) and I don't like everything, case in points FF eehh, Catwomen severe crap, Batman and Robin painful, Superman iv holy shit bad! Peace all
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and really like it. I thought there were parts which dragged a little bit but overall it's a really fun film. Depp is great, Nighy is great and the rest of the cast is good enough.
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and I've probably played it since I was 5, is because if you only play straight they're gonna have a pretty good idea what die you've got (I think die is the plural...? Probably not spelt that way though). You want your opponents to have no idea what you've got, which gives you the best advantage possible. Meaning, if you end up with all of your dice landing on a 6, you should probably act like you've got 2s, and then you can come at them out of leftfield. Erm, I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm not even sure if it's the same game. Sounds similiar anyway.
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When you actually read through the individual reviews, it becomes painfully obvious that if the RT editors want a movie to be "Fresh," it'll be Fresh. Likewise with Rotten. When some of the reviews say things like "This was the most poorly acted trainwreck I've ever seen in my life and I would kill my entire family if I had to sit through it again...but one action sequence was cool," and it gets a "Fresh" icon next to it, you know something's screwy. I used to trust it at one point, but now I just trust my gut. And my gut has pretty decent taste in movies.
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Gay guys don't get slapped by that many women unless they borrow their shoes without asking. Jack was just drunk all the time or brain damaged from too much rum.
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is it actually worth sticking around for, unlike the nothing scene after the credits of X3? as in, will i be wasting my time if i stick around for it, considering i thought the X3 final scene was a complete waste?
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Geoffrey Rush as Barbossa..Was there ever a doubt? And he's still disinclined to acquiesce to your request...means NO!
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Hands down the best blockbuster of the year. Superb. Cant wait for part 3. My wife thought part 1 was better - but then she is retarded.
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Of course, I haven't seen it yet
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The Post Credits is nowhere near signicant like X3, so if skip it if you didn't even find THAT one worth it. My girlfriend, however, was about to cry until she saw the end credits scene for Pirates =D I'm starting to understand the Dice game, thanks guys. I guess what confused me is that I thought they guessed what they had, rolled in the cup, and then... You know what, I'm hopeless on this. Thanks anyways!
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Oh wait.
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A story with an ending? A story that won't have to undo its "cliffhanger" ending fairly early on in the third film ("Matrix Revolutions"-style) because said cliffhanger is extraneous to the main story (and because NOT undoing it would pretty much keep the audience out of the theater for Part 3)? **** A lot of people are going to like this movie, and good for them -- but the "evil critics" who disliked it are actually coming from a logical place. I think more people will get this after they've seen the film. (Keep in mind that most of these "evil" critics were DISAPPOINTED FANS, not out to get the movie -- and that they tended to still like the characters and action bits taken individually. It's the film's numbing "wall to wall" quality -- and its lack of an ending -- that have been problematic for most people who disliked the movie.)
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of course, that doesn't mean i like what she's saying about my pirates.
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Not having a go at you, but it's the other way round, "die" is the singular, "dice" is the plural.
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A good number of negative reviews are just playing out like revenge. They go on tangents against fans, feeling scorned since they made the first a success. I am honestly surprised that critics are viewing this as a lesser effort. It is incomplete, this is granted, but "wall to wall" is just what the first entry needed to justify such a long runtime, and now they've come through in that regard. I suppose they weren't expecting so many twists, but that is a key element as to what makes this franchise direly different.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar's_dice
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... so to me it's been broken for a while now. Actually, no, for me it's been broken since American Haunting. I won't claim that it's a great, great movie, but I went into the theater not knowing that it was below 20% on RT and I enjoyed it a lot, even recommended it to a few people. RT's system will give the same score to a movie that got 90 2-star reviews and 10 4-star reviews as a movie that got 90 1-star or less and 10 3 star reviews. Both will come up as 10% on RT. Does that make any sense?
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I haven't seen POTC2 but is it any more inconclusive than TESB or for that matter, The Two Towers?
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There is actually a bit here for such a 'simple' game. Setting up the rules on screen for the film would've been a bitch!
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... And honestly more of an ending than Two Towers.
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Man ,I loved this movie.
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A few points: *** (1) Saluki: Thanks for the thoughtful response, and I'm glad you had fun with the movie. I'd respectfully counter that the endless twists and reversals and complications became noisy and tiresome toward the end. It felt laborious to me. To paraphrase someone who wrote me after my review, a quest for a drawing of a key that leads to a key that leads to a chest that leads to a chest within that chest that leads to a thing that must then be toted around and handed off to 50 dozen people while swordfights and sideplots and noisy arguments and set pieces are buzzing around it is WAY too complicated for its own good -- ESPECIALLY when the movie then has the temerity to not reward you for all this questing by never revealing the quest object's true power. (Again: Imagine if "Raiders" ended on the sub and Belloq never properly explained the Ark's power between hukka puffs.) All you need is a ring that needs to go to Mt. Doom, you know? *** (2) Rotten Tomatoes is fun as a guide and a junction house for film writing, but yes -- as art criticism, it's worthless. And anyone who judges art by consensus percentage points is interested in POPULARITY CONTESTS, not art appraisal. *** (3) The fact that you have to explain the rules of a dramatically high-stakes dice game in the TalkBacks (with external links to Wikipedia) so you can actually follow a part of the movie where important characters' immortal souls are being gambled away should tell you something about this movie's essential problem.
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Haven't seen the movie, but one of the Leisure Suit Larry games (#7 I believe) had a game-in-a-game bit called Strip Lair's Dice. You could pick it up for way less than $20 no doubt, and with this verion, you are rewarded with an animated babe taking her clothes off. Just an option for anyone interested. ;-) Are they really selling their own board game version for $20? Leave it to Di$ney...
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...where are you getting your SR numbers and info from? Or are you working for WB? It's barely made $114 million over 10 days, (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/) and you're talking about $150 million in 8? Sounds like wishful WB suits thinking (or is that spinning?) to me. With Pirates opening today, and with The Devil wears Prada getting stronger- thanks to good word of mouth- they'll be lucky to have made $130 million by the time this weekend is up, much less $150 million that you're dreaming about. Oh and it's not doing as well overseas, neither; their best hope is for DVD saas and the merchandising. Which is why it shouldn't surprise anyone to se WB rushing out the DVD for a Christmas box-set release with the original movies and Donner's original cut and hope it sells like hot-cakes. As for talk of a sequel, I don't doubt that Singer probably had an option in his contract ( as did most of the actors probably) for one or 2 sequels, but let's not forget that Singer is not the one that will greenlight any sequels. And neither will WB themselves, nor WB's financiers if they don't see a healthy profit and return on their investment - which, currently, doesn't look like it's happening. If you don't hear it from WB execs themselves ( and so far, no word whatsoever; most studios usually announce sequels within the first week or a release - the Pirates 2 sequels have already been announced, and it has yet to be released) regarding a sequel, don't delude yourself into believing there will be one, as much as you may want it to be so.
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and they should have explained the rules of Chess in the Seventh Seal too! And there were particulars about Jumanji that never got explained either.
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I'm with you Malcolm. I'm suprised more people haven't at least heard of Liar's Poker and been able to figure it out from there (especially AICN talkbacking types). It's the same thing only played with serial numbers on a $ bill instead of numbers on dice...
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"A story with an ending? A story that won't have to undo its "cliffhanger" ending fairly early on in the third film because said cliffhanger is extraneous to the main story (and because NOT undoing it would pretty much keep the audience out of the theater for Part 3)?" What are you talking about? Why would they have to "undo" the cliffhangar? Having Barbosa back would keep people out of the theater? Oh we know we'll get Jack back, but we don't know how early. Why would it have to be early? If he's presumably been dragged to the land of the dead or the world's end somewhere, might we see him there, and him not be rescued until later, even though he is doing stuff? It's been a common thread through the movies that while some characters are trying to accomplish something or rescue someone, the one that needs rescuing or finding is doing stuff of his own, accomplishing stuff. Why would you expect any different? And how is this extraneous to the main story? The journey of Jack Sparrow, Will Turner, and Elizabeth IS the main story. Davy Jones and East India are just parts of that. And yeah, it had more of an ending than FoTR or the Two Towers, or Back to the Future II.
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loved every minute of it. It reminded me of an old harryhausen movie, like one of the Sinbad films or something. Tons of fun. First movie i've seen all year that wasn't a let down.
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In the Canadian Military, at least, 'Liars Dice' was as big as 'Eucher' and 'Asshole'. Every mess had a box for it.
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Combined, have all the charisma of a stapler. Although a stapler may be a more accomplished actor than either one. Depp should get paid extra for carrying their sorry (but very tight and shapely) asses in every scene.
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I've not seen it yet but the Empire STrikes Back parallels that I hear of are becoming too close to be coincidental. Bloom is Skywalker, Knightly is Leia, and Depp is Solo. They undertake different paths toward a common end. Does Bootstrap Bill get an 'I'm your father' moment? Is Depp frozen in Carbon? Is the Gypsy Witch the Yoda? Is there a Lando character that first seems friendly then betrays them then helps them again? Is the Kraken just paralleling generic space fights?
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RUN AAAWWWAAAYYY!!!!!1111 These games are all starting to look like good time killers. As for Ms. DuPont saying too many twists and turns in the plot... Haha, guys rule, girls drool. Nyah! Honestly, this is the type of backstabbing I like from my pirates, so... Wasn't the power of the heart alluded to lifting the Jones Curse? Leaving more potential in the power of the heart (awwwww) for the last installment keeps me guessing like a Potter movie, so I'm not miffed yet. Otherwise, valid points for sure, and I'm glad to see some film viewers and critics not just tearing away at Dead Man's Chest for "Hip Points" which can be traded in for a new beret or inflatable coffee table.
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now? fingers crossed.
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wow...turn off the Superman hate a little...cheesegrommit wasn't hating on Pirates at all...does it always have to be pumping up one flick while trashing another?...lot's of people like both...
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The first hour or so has no pacing or rhythm. The CGI is absolutely incredible and most impressively consistently great for the whole 150 minutes. Production design is first rate. The movie is packed with action and exposition much of it ultimately pointless. Bloom is better than in the first. Knight's character spends half the film as an utterly unconvincing drag pirate and has morphed into the stereotypical assk-kicking girl of modern cinema.
Yeah the movie feels very long and the relentless action is kind of exhausting. To the point where it actually feels weird when Depp and Knight stop and have a proper conversation about two thirds of the way into the film.
But the main problem is this - its just not very funny. If you've seen the trailers you've seen all the best lines. Theres a lot of slapstick and its very inventive and often clever but just not enough to get more than a smile in most cases. The lack of effective comedy might not be such a problem in another film but the whole reason the first is so loved is the comic performance of Depp and while
Johnny does his thing again, he is now as mentioned without any great lines. The banter that is there might work for some but to my mind it felt strained and some kind of script polish would have done wonders.
Also Sparrow is a bit of a dick in this one. Moriarty compared him to Han Solo in Empire but he is more of a Lando than anything else. I actually found myself rooting for Orlando's character. The film does pick up in the final half hour when plot points of significance begin to show up.
Wish I had tempered my expectations going in. I probably would have enjoyed it a lot more. Better to go in without expecting the life-changing experience that many on this site have made it out to be. Nevertheless most will enjoy it immensely and it will make the big bucks. Might have loved it myself if I was with a different crowd or maybe in a different frame of mind. Its being held up now as some kind of timeless classic we will one day show our grandkids. Am rather sceptical that the film will hold up to repeat viewings for many who feel this way now.
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a better target would half the critics in the nation who are trashing Pirates...which are most likely in error...
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Where the fuck is his review? Look the world doesn't stop turning everytime you have a little cancer surgery, chief. Someone get strokey out of bed!
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"a quest for a drawing of a key that leads to a key that leads to a chest that leads to a chest within that chest that leads to a thing that must then be toted around and handed off to 50 dozen people while swordfights and sideplots and noisy arguments and set pieces are buzzing around it is WAY too complicated for its own good". I can't believe any rationality went into that sentence. It's a quest for a Davy Jones heart. The heart is in a chest, and Davy Jones has a key to the chest. WOW, that is ultra complication. There is no quest for the drawing, he starts the damn movie having just stolen it. "Chest within a chest" is a stupid nitpick. The fact that the chest is inside a bigger box adds no complication to the plot at all. The heart goes through 50 dozen people? Try 3. Depp, Commodore 64, and East India man are the only ones to touch it. Wow, how complicated that was. Maybe that's too complicated for someone like stonehenge with only a 143 IQ to comprehend, but I think the rest of the general public will do just fine.
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Yes, this is very true. Bloom is Skywalker. Knightly is Leia. Depp is Solo. They do undertake different paths toward a common end. Bootstrap Bill does get an 'I'm your father' moment. Depp... Well frozen would be a nice way of putting it. Boba Fetted would be an even better way of defining his end role. The Gypsy Witch is Yoda-esque, complete with odd little house and talking in questions. Norrington is Lando, without the redemption yet. Pintell & Ragetti are R2D2 & C3-P0. Davy Jones is Vader-esque, complete with a vague sad backstory. Still, it feels quite organic, not on purpose, and I might be reaching with some of these comparisons.
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if we wanna go into all that. The governor is Admiral Ackbar. That guy who works for the bad british dude is Boba Fett.
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Keith Richards was going to walk down the stairs at the end. Still one hell of a great ending. I'm to young for an Empire type moment. Matrix didn't delieve it. PotC: DMC did. I can't wait for May.
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no, i probably loved it. 90% i'm going to go see it again. the 2.5 hour runtime didn't bother me at all...and yes, i am seeing "empire" parallels as well. what i really don't get is why everybody thinks this plot is so complicated...i followed it just fine.
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... without nearly enough explanation of why this is important, and no payoff after it's found. (Also, I think there's just the one Davy Jones heart, Engineer.)
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Just watched the first one again last knight and I still found it hilarious ! I'll be checking this out on sunday... Hopefully I'll be able to @ least get in the conversation ^_^
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This movie is pure, light-hearted, cartoony and OTT fun.
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Resident Evil three: extinction to be directed by Russell Mulchay. IN this one Alice teams up with a warrior woman played by ali larter, in the desert, who is leading a convoy, all is going well untill they come across the umbrella corporation. Much zombie slaying ensues. expect much blood shed. After watching the first for all of 4 minutes. this is one franchise i will be avoiding. That soundtrack wrecked me head.
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Davy Jones is powerufl. He has his super ship and his Kraken, the equivalent of a super star-destroyer and a death star. Anyone who has the heart has Davy Jones by the balls, controls the sea, and in that day and age, controls trade, and the world. And to me, the payoff is like the payoff in BttF part II, but the exact opposite. In that movie, the payoff is the destruction of the almanac, Biff is defeated. The exact opposite happens here. The heroes are defeated, and the "almanac" is delivered safely to the East India company. As for Davy Jones multiple hearts, I think he's from the same place as Zoidberg, they have like, 3 or 4 hearts.
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Depp is frozen in carbonite bigtime. Bloom is Skywalker with the "feel of destiny about him" or whatever. Knightley is Leia I guess. (yay I am saying her actual name properly this time. good for me.) Depp is Solo and Lando. Davenport is a reverse Lando who then becomes a straight Lando. The East India guy is the Emperor. Davey Jones is Vader. The two pirates from the first movie are R2 and C3P0. Depps second in command/first mate guy is Chewie. The Black Pearl is obviously the Millennium Falcon.
And the Kraken is Bobba Fett.
Hope that clears everything up.
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My last post should be "I'm to young for the Empire moment."
Now, expectations... in the modern age of sequels, our expectations are way to high for every sequel and almost every movie we see. What did everyone expect with PotC:DMC? PotC:CotBP repeated? This reminds me of the discussion about CARS' box office take and how it should make more money than all other Pixar movies combined. Why are we doing this to ourselves? Why must every movie be the greatest thing since sliced bread? Dead Man's Chest was a great movie for what it was... Pulp Serial Action. I knew that this is part 1 of the 2 part sequel movie. The only expectation I have for PotC: World's End is that it wraps up the story lines from this movie in a way that isn't forced. -
Somehow, after seeing the movie last night, I found it was strongly geared toward some marketer's idea of a "core audience" of, basically, 9 year old boys and Johnny Depp groupies. It was self-referring to the point of being, basically, a jeuvenile, 2-hour-and-30-minute Disney advertisement for the last "Pirates..." movie. This movie has near to no logical plot, the cannibalistic natives kept morphing in with every new camera angle until they looked and acted like they were a lost tribe in South America intermarried with the 1933 version of Skull Island natives, with as little attention to any detail, political correctness, and a lot of attention to sophomoric gags and jibberish. There are some incredibly cool special fx and I agree with Harry about making comparisons to Gollum in that respect, but I do NOT like spoilers...see it for yourself. This movie, although I'm sure will entertain it's target "focus" audience, has a lot more fluff, less character development and plot than the first movie. At 2.5 hours, there is ample room for trims. I'm sure Johnny Depp fans and 9-year-old boys will disagree, as they both cannot get enough screen time for certain elements which are aimed directly at them. The bottom line may be that I find the writing in Dead Man's Chest pretty weak and would like to see a slightly more mature approach to the humor and character development. Above all, I would love to see the filmmakers working hard to do what they love best instead of trying to please focus group audience by rehashing redundant characters, gags and lines intended to appease a niche group that was created by the first movie. You've got great actors, locations, fx and fairly decent direction, all you need is to lose the marketers and make that damn great, fun movie that is lurking in that running time somewhere.
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Fuck. OK like 10 people beat me to it. But I'm the first with a reverse Lando. Hah!
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I read on wednesday ( on one of the geek sites maybe superherohype) that it had made $126 million (world wide) no reason to distinguish money is money. Now it's Friday and I had heard it had made an additional $11 mil. Granted I'm estimating that by tonight it would make $10-$15 mil it's not beyond reason. That would bring it to roughly $150. I have said I'm not into this bating game but I feel you asked a legitimate question. No I dont' work for any movie company, but I'm starting to feel others here do. Yes I would like SR to make money because I liked it and want to see the enevitable better follow up ie. X2. My friend on the east coast said the three big NY papers gave POTC mixed to poor reviews, this does not make me happy. I want this to rule and will go make up my own mind. Peace.
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The only thing I didn't like abou the movie was the stupid transformer's trailer. It felt like they took this space footage and slapped the transformer name at the end. People did cheer at the transformer name though.
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I liked superman returns better than dmc and the xmen movies x3 was a turd
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Saw Pirates of the Caribbean last night and boy was I disappointed. I can't say how much of a letdown it was. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but it had nothing that made the original one of the best movies of the year when it came out.
Remember the first one? Within 10 minutes of the opening, Jack had made a fantastic entrance, there was a brilliant sword fight between Will and Jack, and the pirates had attacked the colony. Well, I kept waiting for this movie to start, and when it finally did, I was disappointed to find out that it was the climax to the film! In this one we have: a cheesy entrance for Jack ... NOTHING like the original; very little action until *well* into the movie; the cannibal scene shown in the trailer actually serves no purpose to the plot of the film. It's just "filler"; there are NO GOOD SWORD FIGHTS in this movie! How the heck can that be? There is one fight, but it is seen at a distance. This one boggles me the most. How could they not follow the first film with a good sword fight?; there is a peculiar love triangle in the movie; the villain's motivations are cloudy at best ... he sits in the hold of his ship and plays a steam organ for some reason ... why?; there are large plot holes and leaps in logic here (this one is odd, seeing as how the first movie was seemless ... every scene made sense, you never questioned what was happening or why); the climax is extremely weak, and in fact, I was surprised when the movie ended. I said to myself, "WTF? That was *it*????"; there is one inspired action sequence that takes place at the 100 minute mark! Compare this with the first film which had that fantastic opening sequence in the first fifteen minutes; scenes from the trailer that were hugely funny WERE GONE OR CHANGED TO REMOVE THE HUMOUR. I am referring to two scenes: one where Jack first gets the "mark" on his hand, the second where Jack is being chased by the cannibals and Will is standing by the boat. Remember this from the trailers? "Wait! We have to wait for Jack ... forget it, let's go." That line has been changed and the humour is gone. I was surprised by this ... I thought my memory might be bad or something. Perhaps I just remember it differently, but I don't think so; THERE IS LITTLE TO NO INTERACTION BETWEEN THE THREE MAIN CHARACTERS IN THIS MOVIE(????); the music that made the first movie so good was here, but there was even less of it. The great music in the first when Barbarosa's ghost crew was revealed is not here at all, and there is nothing to replace it. It's simply uninspired in this film; There are scenes that are more than cheesy in this film ... they are CAMPY and I'm not sure why they are here. Sure, there was some cheese in the first one, but this one is more than over the top; remember the scene in the first one of the three prisoners begging the dog for the key in the prison? Well, that was taken right from the ride at Disney World. Here it appears again ... but there are NO KEYS AND NO DOG! I blinked when I saw it ... WTF??? Did I miss something there?; most of the humour was forced or fell flat; Most of the lines that were meant to be funny fell flat; Remember the original? There were some HILARIOUS scenes like Gibbs and the pale of water ...
"Dammit, I was already awake!!"
"Er, sorry, that was for the smell."
or after Will and Jack's big sword fight:
"You've done the empire a great service."
slurred: "Only doing my civic duty."
or:
"That's the worst pirate I've ever seen ..." then ...
"That's the best pirate I've ever seen."
"So it would seem."
or:
"Mr Cotton's parrot ... are you willing to ..."
There wasn't ONE line that rivaled these or even came close; There were problems with logic here, and leaps of it too. There were scenes of people leaving ships in row boats, then they would magically appear at their destination. No explanation of how they got there or how long it took. They just arrived; I still don't fully understand Davy Jones' curse or his problems. Maybe I missed something, who knows; Will meets someone of huge importance to him and his life, and he has little or no emotional response to it. WTF?; there is a voodoo practioner here whose purpose is only to answer questions that the filmmakers couldn't figure another way to answer! Her presence made little sense; the cliffhanger ending is perhaps the most pointless and useless ending I have EVER SEEN. It is embarrassing to see this ... it is worse than even MATRIX 2 or BACK TO THE FUTURE 2.
It's almost, in a way, as if they wrote one movie, stretched it out with filler and nonsense so it fit into TWO films, then cut them into two with a useless cliffhanger simply so the second one (AT WORLD'S END) could be released next summer. I am baffled at this film, simply baffled.
There was only one inspired action sequence, as I said, and almost no interraction between the main trio of characters!!! The ending was meant to be like EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, but it didn't come close! -
Ok I checked out Box office mojo, and I believe that is domestic only. I also read the artical "SR solid if unspectacular" did we read the same artical? because by no means does it trash SR like you have. Whaaaaat gives? how could you hate this sooooo much. You are of course entitled. SR is up there with all the recent blockbusters in the last few years. The hurdle SR has is it's massive dept dew to the past start and stops. I'm sorry you didn't like it. I'd be pissed too if I was dissapointed but am thankful I liked it. You know when ever there is a new JLU or TAS I love to watch not all are gems but I feel this was a good start. I agree the plot was not all that insrired, I really hope Brainic hitched a ride back with Supes and maybe has neferious plans for big blue. Later.
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Wedge wasn't big until Jedi. Expect a smaller character to emerge as a more major one in the final battle in 'World's End.' ***** Oh and to restate what I keep stating in POTC threads: I loved the hell out of the movie. As a casual fan of the first, I've turned into a slobbering POTC fanboy with 'Dead Man's Chest.' ***** And I do state that it's 'Empire + Jedi with a dash of Princess Bride. Add Johnny Depp and stir.' And it's not slander at all. I consider it a high, high compliment.
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There would have to be an 'I've got a bad feeling about this' line wouldn't there? Its been said that 'But why is the rum gone?' is used repeatedly but that would be a queer choice.
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"remember the scene in the first one of the three prisoners begging the dog for the key in the prison? Well, that was taken right from the ride at Disney World. Here it appears again ... but there are NO KEYS AND NO DOG! I blinked when I saw it ... WTF???" It's an expectation joke. You see them doing the begging thing, the camera pulls out, and it turns out instead of a dog they are begging for Keira Knightley to come closer so they can touch her, them being prisoners who haven't seen or been close to a woman in a long time. You'd have to be pretty daft not to get that one.
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Obviously, the dude with the detaching brain is General Veers, the Hammerhead creature is a Wampa, the Kraken is the asteroid creature, the dog is an Ughnaut, voodoo lady is Yoda, and the monkey is Lando's assistant with the freaky headphones.
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"daft not to get that one" ...
Maybe because it was yet another lame joke in a series of lame jokes and lines. Each one fell flatter than the one before it.
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that it felt like a radio play. The characters talk endlessly ABOUT a story, rather than actually being a a part of it. Just like M:I-2 (and probably a lot of movies these days), I'm guessing they came up with all of their big set pieces first, and figured out the "plot" later. The effects were jaw-dropping, though. I'll give it that, but not much else.
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The point of this movie was to swashbuckle you to kingdom come. They wanted a movie that kept you prancing on the gangplank, twisting and turning with the tide, tossed to and fro by the gales at high sea, commandeered by every - well, in short, they wanted to make you feel as taken in by the twists of fate as did the characters, and the simple fact is that some people didn't like that. This is artistic, but not "art" as some may prefer it. In fact, with this movie I daresay the latter wasn't even attempted. I'm afraid that anyone trying to take it very seriously at all would not like it. But I did.
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To me, he just isn't compelling or...deep? He just seems to be all surface quirks but no real depth or interest. I guess to me his screen prescence just seems shallow. He does not compel me to watch and he just seems all flash-I wouldnt even call it flash, thats to much an action word, and more just quirk. He just seems so friggin...I dont know, he just does nothing for this movie fan. There are so many more compelling leading male icons out there in my opinion. And Bloom? Good lord, theres another vacant-THATS the word-Depp and Bloom just seems sort of Vacant and soul-less. Like a bag of candy-fun at the first few bites but then you realise you ate the whole bag and just feel kind of sick, like that first little bite was as good as it was gonna get.
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...it was amazing. But I had muscle cramps and a bad taste in my mouth for weeks.
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X3 got a shit Tomato Rating because THE MOVIE WAS PURE SHIT. It's was watered down cinematic pablum catering to the the masses who would accept it's pathetic plot and wasted opportunities. I'd say the Tomato Meter was dead on. Ratner and crew should rot in movie hell for giving us X3: Nothing Happens. I haven't seen POTC2 yet, but while I loved Part 1 in the theater, it quickly loses it's sheen....
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they only gather up all of the reviews for a movie, so i dont see why people are getting mad at them
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i found it refreshing that a bunch of people who hadnt heard of the movie and didnt know what the teaer was until the very end were very excited to know there is going to be a transformers movie. mission of the teaser accomplished.
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to say that it was indeed overly long and overly ridiculous and overly stuffed at many points. if i wanted to be critical, i would say it wasnt that good of a movie but it did have one hell of an awsome ending. but idont want to be critical because i am so pumped for the third movie next summer and everytime i think of the 2 shockers at the end of this movie i cant get a smile off my face.
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The first one was decent, fun, entertaining, but it wasn't GREAT. The sequel isn't either, BUT it is superior. A lot more action, exciting character arcs and the greatest villain in ages, Davy Jones. I don't think the running time was a problem at all. The first one seemed to drag much longer than the first IMO and I found Jack to be far more entertaining this time out. In fact, I don't recall ever laughing at a single thing he said in the first film.
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This movie was loads of fun, simply amazing regardless of what rotten tomatoes says, it is far and away the summer movie audiences have been waiting for. at the theater i work at the audience went nuts throughout the film. screams of AARRGGGHH!! could be heard throughout the theater at the midnight show and we just had the most succesful 10o'clock round in our short 4 year run, beware web-head your reign has ended!
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Jul 07, 2006 12:14:14 PM CDT
Reaction to "Transformers" was crickets in my theatre
by engineer_at_peac
The crowd was silent. One guy a row above us said "That looks stupid. I'm gonna see it, but it looks stupid." Of course it's worthy to note that most of the crowd I saw were 16-18 year olds. At their age, based on them not having Transformers as a kid, they would have to be some kind of hyper nerd to be psyched about a transformers movie. How would anyone care about a cartoon from the 80's when they were born in 1990? Hell, I watched it as a kid, and I don't care.
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Liked it even more than the first one, which I didn't even think was possible. Saw it at midnight, going to see it tonight as well. Oh, and my theatre was full of 16-18 year olds as well, and they FLIPPED for the Transformers teaser.
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A friend watching a different screen at the same time saw it, but all I got was a few unimpressive and unmemorable trailers; the only one I can remember owing to its dumbfounding crudhood was a movie called "Admitted" or something like that. I was robbed.
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"scenes from the trailer that were hugely funny WERE GONE OR CHANGED TO REMOVE THE HUMOUR....the second where Jack is being chased by the cannibals and Will is standing by the boat. Remember this from the trailers? "Wait! We have to wait for Jack ... forget it, let's go." That line has been changed and the humour is gone. I was surprised by this ... I thought my memory might be bad or something. Perhaps I just remember it differently, but I don't think so;"
You are not wrong the trailer has a midshot with Bloom saying "forget it lets go" while the movie had an awkward closeup and he says "Time to go". May seem like nitpicking but the trailer one was much better in terms of comic timing and the lines delivery. For the life of me I don't know why they went with this one, possibly some continuity thing. Glad I'm not the only one to notice this. Makes me feel less geeky. -
This is hilarious. X3 did it (good movie), Superman Returns did it (bad movie), and now Pirates 2: Dead Man's Chest has done it (???). What a fun summer.
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More like 80/20, 75/25 at worst.
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I thought it was because the sentiment "forget it" does not jive with how Will elsewhere treats the seriousness of saving Jack or aquiring his compass. It makes more sense to say, "We better get prepared to go" with the hope that Jack might get there on time than for this to be the lone spot (until the end) at which Will says, "Screw Jack Sparrow"!
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superman was OK, and dead mans chest was overdone in almost every category, but still managed to be good. probably because of the awsome set-up that it has done for the third installment. i get shivers up my spine every time i think of it. what a classic lead in. but on a pure entertainment level, awsome movie, but it was still way overdone with action, comedy, wasnt nearly as original with any humor or anything, but yet i still liked it. bring on #3. and X3 was terrible.
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I have the complete different take...X3 did it (terrible movie), Superman Returns did it (good movie), respect your opinion tho'
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"the monkey is Lando's assistant with the freaky headphones"
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The only trailers I remember are Transformers, which was met with complete crickets, Lady in the Water which was laughed out of the theater (horrid, horrid trailer), and the Ben Stiller movie about being a night guard at a museum, which got a HUGE reaction. Everyone was laughing throughout the entire thing.
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"That looks stupid. I'm gonna see it, but it looks stupid." -- What an ignorant thing for that douchebag in your theater to say. There is nothing in that teaser to see! Apparently, nothing in the trailer will appear in the movie anyway. How could the movie look stupid?! I tell ya, kids these days. But I've got a feeling. When we finally get to see a finished shot of a major Transformers character transform, we're all gonna flip.
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I know that we'd all go round and round in circles reciting our opinions of the three "big" movies are good, bad, in-between...but if they aren't split down the middle, it is 80/20, 75/25 positive or 80/20, 75/25 negative?
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Where a guy from philly tries out for the Eagles. Also transformers, and I think a trailer for some Comedy, can't remember what it was though... it had Steve Carrell
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Among internet nerds, X3 is split 50/50, Superman is split 60/40, Pirates is split 75/25, all positive. Among actual theatergoers, I'd estimate its more like 70/30 for X3, still 60/40 for Superman, and 80/20 for Pirates, also all positive. This is just my reading of the "vibe".
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And Talladega nights. I don't know why I thought "Steve Carell".
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I posted this elsewhere, but Geoffrey Rush's appearance at the end got a huge roar from the audience. They loved it, and it certainly has me all the more excited for the next film. A great actor in a fun role.
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I see your point JerryDan. I just think this movie needed way more laughs than it had. People around me laughed like 5 or 6 times in the whole movie. Thats not much for a 2 and a half hour film. Without the laughs the endless action and running round in circles just wears you down eventually.
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QUOTE:"Among actual theatergoers, I'd estimate its more like 70/30 for X3" And there is the crux of the problem. You ask the casual movie goer why they liked X3, and they will say "it had good action." They didn't care about source story, story murkiness, or character issues or anything that SHOULD matter. They are just dazzled by inane action (action that sucked BTW) and moving bridges. Of course they made AVP the "success" it was too, so thanks out to them.
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http://tinyurl.com/mbtrx -- You may find this somewhat interesting. Here is a link to Bay's news blog. Regarding Mars and the Beagle probe, he states that nothing from the teaser will appear in the film.
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do not waste your time by staying after the credits for the last "scene". it was completly worthless and i have no idea why they put it there. im really mad that none of the reviewers on this site told us to avoid it, because it was about 10 seconds long, and it wasnt funny, and had no value at all like the one at the end of the first movie did.
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did a great job with its teaser because no one knew what it was until the end, and when the name came up, the audience applauded and so it obviously did a good job of gaining awareness and people are going to love it.
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Does anyone remember the fondness the good old days when the whole entire solar syatem did not go batshit with love and "I've been a huge fan my whole life, just never mentioned it before" type sentiments for Johnny Depp. Hes a great actor, mainly because he has been willing to try a lot of different things and has ended up making a lot of shitty movies amongst the good stuff in between. He doesn't seem to take it all too seriously and is not terrified of failure. But its all getting a bit much for me at the moment. People can't seem to jump off the Tom Cruise/Xemnu bandwagon and onto the Depp express fast enough since the first film came out. And right now the Depp bandwagon is at critical fucking mass from where I'm sitting.
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Gallery Chappe must be expunged.
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Rottentomatoes makes this film really sound like a dud. Repetitious and lackluster. Oh well.
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It's been a long trip, you want to stop, stretch your legs and take a piss. Mars is the perfect service station if you are headed to Earth... OK no, it's stupid.
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it is so incredibly stupid. Its that fucking dog with a bone in his mouth sitting on the throne like jack was, with the cannibals dancing aroud him. Dumb as hell.
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If nothing from the teaser is in the film, is it still a teaser? Existensial movie psychology 101...
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Julio - you are welcome. I'm cautiously optimistic as well. I don't have much faith in Bay. But his trackrecord does match-up nicely with this film's requirements. And with Spielberg producing, it's possible they may churn out something worthwhile. *** brycemonkey - I didn't think there would be a quiz about the teaser trailer. You may have given me a headache for the rest of the afternoon.
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It was a good one. My only complaint is that the kraken scenes were a smidgeon too long, but everything else was entertaining and enjoyable. I don't go to a "Pirates of the Caribbean" movie looking for depth and meaning. I go looking for a fun time, and it delivered. -- BTW, In our showing, the Transformers teaser got a huge cheer and applause, and everybody laughed out loud for the "Snakes on a Plane" trailer.--
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was perfect, just putting the name out there. bay said himself in his blog that nothing in the teaser is in the movie so stop talking about them being on mars, it doesnt matter, they wont be there in the movie. just a weird creative way of getting the movie name out there
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what does everyone else think about the ending? i thought it was awsome and i get shivers up the spine when i think of it. jack going down was just crazy, but then barbossa? just brilliant, and even if people dont like this movie, they must indeed be pumped for the third now after that ending.
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must have gotten a piece of aztek gold for barbossa as well, before he completely died from the bullet wound. thats why i loved that short scene, unlike the worthless one at the end of the second movie.
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But there are plenty of ways Barbosa could come back from the dead. After all, hasn't he been described as a man so evil hell spit him out? I think he would just kick ass and fight his way out of hell. Or maybe Yoda helped bring him back.
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We saw the midnight show and were very entertained. My biggest complaint would be the unnecessary romp with the natives. Specifically the too far over the top gags and beyond unrealistic moves. The fruit kabob was ridiculous as was the amazing, flipping, gorge-traversing Jack-on-a-pole. It seems every 3 minutes there was reference to the first films lines, sight gags etc. "Why is the run always gone", oh look it's Gibbs' booze canteen, yada yada. However once we got to Davy Jones and his crew it picked up. I have to agree that character models were ridiculously cool. It was genuinely difficult to tell that Davy Jones wasn't actually a squid-man even in the daylight, fantastic (although the Phantom of the Opera organ thing was stupid). I disagree that there was no good swordfights in this film. There is a great 3-way (down pervs) fight near the end that plays out a bit like capture the flag. All in all it was very fun but definitely lacked the truly witty banter and subtle humor of the first. Jack Sparrow was funny because he is a strange man not because he is trying to be funny in most cases. I am sure we will buy this on DVD but I don't see myself popping it in nearly as much as the first one.
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totally agree that it was stupid... i heard it was "so awesome", but come on, that was sooo lame compared to the end of pirates 1... that one actually meant something for the future movies, i highly doubt that the dog sitting on the throne will havea major impact on pirates 3... cant wait to hear them explain exactly how barbossa was brought back... and that means more undead pirate goodness!!! i think thats what made pirates 1 better for me, barbossa and the whole curse was just awesome... davy jones didnt really do shit... neither did his crew... lets hope this whole china thing in the next movie is better... and how much a of douchebag was that lord beckett and norrington?? pshhhh
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actually...he said its even down a grade from a teaser.. it's an ANNOUNCEMENT trailer.
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My biggest issue with the film was her character. I found her actions to be completely inconsistent. In the first film she's willing to risk the life of the man she loves to help save Jack and now she's looking out for herself. On top of the fact that the first movie made it completely clear that Elizabeth wasn't even NEARLY attracted to Jack, yet in this one she's swooning over him, despite her supposed LOVE for Will. Bullshit. The only reason they did that was because all the teenage girls love Johnny Depp. Will should kick that bitch to the curb and feed her to the Kraken. That whole situation just rang untrue to me.
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She was swooning over him to make him turn sides, and then she fucked him over anyways. She loves Will just fine, but they'll play his jealousy up some. Remember guys, women love the end credits for this... Stay if you have a date.
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that compass thing kept pointing at him, and she didn't want to believe it. My theory is that what she desires most in life is to be a pirate, or a pirate captain, and that's why the compass kept pointing at Jack. Even when she kissed him it was just a ploy to tie him to the mast. She was using her wiles, as a certain space pirate might say.
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I didn't see Elizabeth's interaction with Jack as "swooning"--quite the opposite. The first conversation where she "gets close" is just to test him and prove her point, and the second incident (the one Will sees) is merely a ploy to back him into the mast. As for her sobbing at the end, it's all about what she's done to Jack, not any romantic stuff there at all. At least that's how I saw it.
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Wasn't it pointing at where the chest was...which just happened to be where Jack was?
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It was pointing right towards Jack, and she was a few steps in front of the chest, put the compass down, and backed away. Then it pointed back at her location. Also, it did the whole pointing at Jack thing on the ship, as well.
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I heard their were a bunch of script reviews of POTC3. Disney forced all sites showing them to take them down. Wondering if anybody had a chance to read them. Dead Man's Chest kicked Ass!!!
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I hadn't heard that, but if so, I'm glad. There's no way I would be able to resist reading it, but I really don't want to spoil myself either. Forbidden fruit.
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Its a pretty good show--nothing spectacular in the story/characterization department, but overall, it was alright; I had a good time. I did have a serious problem with Davey Jones, however. Oh, I enjoyed watching the very memorable performance by a fine actor, but I just didnt understand the origin of the character--he's a mystery. In any case, here's hoping that the next movie will be able to explain its plot and characters in a more...obvious fashion. One thing I have noticed about this film is that, like Matrix Reloaded, this isnt really going to be a trilogy, but rather, one good movie followed by a really big sequel thats been split into two parts. The final complaint I have is that this film relies very heavily on filler (the entire 40 minute cannibal "plot" and the 15 minute "ghost dress" sequence) and the amount of humor has been halved. All in all, I have to admit that although I enjoyed the movie, I still like the first one a bit more, but then, this is HALF A MOVIE, isn't it?
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This movie sucked ass. Fucking awful and nothing like the original (which was amazing).
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I have been going to the theaters to see V, Mission Impossible 3, Xmen 3, Superman Returns, and even Cars, and NOT ONCE did I see a trailer/teaser for Pirates of the Caribbean. Worse, not even half of my friends and family were aware that this movie was coming out today (and they all loved the first movie). Has this just been some bubble/timewarp thing for me or have others noticed this as well? Maybe they've been swamped by the Super Hype or something?
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The ghost dress was not filler. It served it's purpose. Elizabeth stowed away on a ship and she needed to get to Tortuga. She couldn't convince the crew to go there as a cabin bow, she need other ways to persuade them. She used their fear of the Ghost Dress to get them there. Character wise, the sequence to show how Elizabeth is resourceful and "pirate" like. She took over the whole ship without attacking anyone.
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That whole sequence was 2 minutes at most, c'mon. I just get really irked by hyperbole, as you may have noticed. Unless you're talking about the whole part of Keira being on the ship disguised as a man until she makes it to Tortuga, in which case, yeah, that's probably about fifteen minutes, and could have simply been covered after her escape from her main port by showing her hiding her dress on the ship dressed as a man, and later a crew of men leaving the ship as it arrives at Tortuga, and zooming in on Keira as one of the men as she goes in a seperate direction.
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yes--i was talking about her entire stowaway sequence; I just didnt want to give it away. I did the same thing in the superman talkback when I referred to the "rodney King moment." Those that have seen it would immediately recognize what im talking about while those that havent arent really sure about what I'm referring to. Dont worry, I hate the chicken little exagerations too, engineer--I promise.
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sequence is filler when they spend all of 45 seconds depicting Will Turner's cross-caribbean hunt for Sparrow AND THEN waste 15 minutes showing us how Keira stows aboard a ship and tricks them into taking her to Tortuga. Why not just have her quietly sneak aboard a tortuga bound ship? The problem was that this movie's first half didnt involve keira in any fashion, so they just snuck her in someplace.
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this film--its well worth the theater price and it is good, old-fashioned summer popcorn faire.
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On the island when the compass pointed and "Jack" it seems to me that since she had just found where the chest was the compass turned to the next thing that Elizabeth wanted most. That of course was to find Will. If you remember at that time Will must have be swimming towards the shore because the Flying Dutchman had submerged. I think the compass was pointing out Will's position and it happened to be beyond Jack.
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MoondoggyU2, I understand that the origins of Davey Jones will be fully explored in a further trilogy that will be a prequel to the PotC films. It ends with a titanic struggle fought in an underwater volcano.
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It's true he took his heart out, but he has plenty.
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They just tally the reviews.
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-- Electric Boogaloo. You know you want it. Who wants this silly Pirates stuff, when they can have Halley Berry in a stupid hat?
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Also, can anybody tell me what the rainy opening sequence was all about? I understand it meant that her wedding didnt work out, but it was explained AT ALL. How did Will get arrested? Was he arrested before the wedding or after the wedding? If he was missing, why was she still in her dress and sitting in the rain rather than looking for him? It was a totally unintelligable opening scene. It was basically like a music video or something and then will gets arrested. It made no sense and stuck out like a sore thumb. I still dont know what the director was trying to illustrate with that sequence.
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Very funny, julio. I HAD thought it was like a video; I just didn't put two and two together. I dont know why I didnt think of November Rain because it seems rather obvious when I look back on it.
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Opening weekend. Will it have staying power? Maybe -- in any case, I'm very excited to see it. As for Superman Returns box office (which someone else mentioned)-- it ain't bad. $108 million domestically (as of Tuesday) and $20 million internationally. This comparison from Bluetights.net: the seven-day opening of Superman Returns is tracking higher than the first seven days of Fellowship of the Ring, Pirates of the Caribbean, Chronicles of Narnia, Finding Nemo, and Batman Begins, all of which went on to VERY successful runs. For something a little more recent, SR is ahead of X3's opening earnings internationally. Also, don't forget that at 5 million dollars, Superman Returns is the highest-grossing IMAX opening on record.
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Remember the trailers you see before Pirates... then report them to www.hiddenflicks.com ---- a site that tracks which trailers are playing with what movies at a theater near you.
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Man this was great. My biggest complaint was the pace of the story was strange. It just jumps right into it and doesn't seem to linger on things that should be important and then it doesn't really wind down in the end. It just ends. But I think when seen in context with the third movie it might make all those things better.-----LOVED the SFX! LOVED the performances! LOVE Verbinski's "eye" and direction! LOVE the score! Really, this feels like the first movie this summer to deliver, and has all the right ingredients for a blockbuster. I can't wait for the third one!
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I think this one is attached to Pirates. http://tinyurl.com/rsnvc
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I don't disagree that it's long (especially when the climax hits after 2 am, which it did for almost anybody on this talkback so far) but honestly I just rewatched the original and I think the pacing is a little improved on this one. I think it's a little funnier, the non-Jack characters got a little more interesting and there's a lot more action (a good thing). I definitely have to disagree with the person above who claimed Jack did not have a good entrance - what part of shooting his way out of a coffin and rowing himself to safety with a human leg was disappointing to you? I like that it turned into a live action Wile E. Coyote cartoon at times. With most directors that would be dangerous, but from the director of Mousehunt it works. Also, I don't agree with Alexandra's criticisms of the cliffhanger. As I'm sure someone has pointed out in all the Empire discussion above, Jack's fate is a parallel to Han Solo in carbonite. It's not trying to trick the audience into thinking he's dead, it's to make us wonder how he's going to come back. Since Han is rescued right at the beginning of Return of the Jedi does that mean the whole thing was pointless? No, the point is to set up an exciting rescue. ---- I want to say: the people above who are PISSED OFF about the post-credits scene are silly, silly, silly people. What did you expect? It's just a little joke after the credits, like on the first one. It wasn't designed to be hyped up on the internet, it was designed as a little bonus for the people who stay for the credits. More importantly, are you telling me it is some kind of huge chore for you to stay for a couple minutes and watch the credits? What kind of a movie geek are you that you don't stay for the credits anyway? Oh jesus, what an ENORMOUS hassle it must've been for you to stay for 3 minutes and soak in the music when you could've been waiting in a clog to get out of the theater during that time. I am so, so sorry for your ordeal. Maybe you should sue Disney. ---- Finally, as a Disneyland addict, two points: 1. the new Disney logo is awesome 2. Why didn't they have the guy playing banjo on a porch in the Louisiana swamp scenes? Or did I miss him?
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...the action served the plot. In the sequel, it's the other way around. Worth seeing for the action and FX, but nowhere NEAR as good as the first one.
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http://boardgamegeek.com/game/45 in case you're still interested...
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The rest haven't watched Pirates 1 lately or just nitpick their lives to death.
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Bryan--YES, the new Disney logo is AMAZING. The film is worth my $8 admission just to see it. ***** Funnily enough, Disney didn't put their logo in front of the first PotC film. Who wants to bet it'll be in front of the film on the next DVD release? ***** Speaking of which, has there been any word on re-releases of the first two films next year? I'd love for there to be a Pirates week.
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Holy bejesus son! What are you on? I take it you didn't like SR, and as far as I know no one in the "industry" (those that count, Getting movies made) consider the movie a "flop" at most, that verdict is still out. As for those you refer to as deciding it's a flop, The "internets" has changed everything everyone has a voice and the ability to review movies for public cosumtion. It used to be in the "old days" you'd need a degree maybe in journalism to get a job as a critic. Now it's just like the 'ol saying opinions and assholes. Every voice is heard and thats not always a good thing. Any ways for the record so far V for ven. loved, MI3 loved Xmen3 liked a lot and SR loved. My assho... um I mean my opinion. peace.
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i repeat, you are a moron.how many movies have you made? none? okay, then shut the fuck up.
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SR was ok, and it basically is flopping because of its high price tag. X3 was a huge piece of shit, i cant see how anyone could think differently. i agree with you completly on pirates 2, it was bad, but still good. i think especially because of the ending and just plain jack sparrow. it wasnt a good movie, but i still liked it a lot.
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This is one of the most plain fun movies I've seen since, well, the first Pirates movie. I absolutely adore this movie... I mean, I saw this more than a day ago (I'm in the UK) and I am STILL buzzing... Mainly 'cause that fucking killer ending. Oh, man. I just came.
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What this film is really all about is the power of the feminine. Not to go all 'film student essay' on you but here are just a few examples of what I mean: The very first shot of the movie shows Elizabeth slouched in the rain, thoroughly pissed off that her wedding day has been ruined. This opening scene sets the tone for the rest of the movie which is to say hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Elizabeth manipulates Beckett into giving her the warrant on Jack Sparrow - threatening him with a pistol (read: phallus). She succeeds in this where her father failed. In the same scene, Elizabeth complains about being deprived of her wedding night and allusions are made to her being a virgin. Again, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned
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Everybody knew he was in it since it was announced almost a year ago or so. It wasn't that much of a twist for me...
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I avoided spoilers like the plague.
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and obvious to me, and I haven't even seen the movie, yet. There must be a good reason or more why Alexandra DuPont doesn't like this movie, but she keeps giving poor examples to support unconvincing reasons that the Engineer is obliterating. I think Alexandra should've quit while she was behind, and instead she should've come back only after thinking through some better reasoning.
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CYNIC I SAY. Fuck her.
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and obviously made me want to return to the franchise next summer. i couldnt have asked for a better ending. a cliffhanger? kind of,but completely badass. and captain jack going down with the kraken was also a huge shocker. great ending to an ok movie. i get shivers up my spine when i think of the ending.
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The real curse of sequels comes from the reviewers themselves. This happens all the time. The reviewers have super low expectations for the original (because it's based on a freaking Disney ride), so it comes away with great reviews when it's actually pretty entertaining. Then the sequel comes out. The reviewers now have super high expectations and it is no longer enough that it is just entertaining, it now has to be a cinematic masterpiece. Unless it is a huge improvement on this first film it is pretty much doomed to have many more negative reviews.
X-Men (arguably) is a good example of this. X2 was lucky and actually was a significant improvement, so it escaped unscathed. However, is X3 really worse then the first movie? I really don't think so personally, but now expectations were super high. At very least I don't think the original was as good as Rottentomatoes makes it look, people just had super low expectations. -
Overhyped piece of crap. These directors to learn that it's alright to EDIT unnecessary shit such as unneeded dialogue and the like. Give me a tight 1:45 to 2:00 and you'll have a repeat viewer.
This is the kind of movie that should take me on a ride, not drag me along through the mud because that's what it felt like.
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Intellectual movie reviewers usually criticize moviemakers for overexplaining things to an audience that they assume is dumb. So, I don't understand why Alexandra would want *more* explanation for why Davy Jone's heart is a good thing to have. I mean, even if Engineer hadn't explained it, I think most people who read this site or watch movies or read would've figured it out when because it's so obvious. It's no different from questing for a magic spell or magic lamp or kryptonite that gives control over a demon or genie or alien or something, which is the kind of stuff we've seen and read 100 times before. The allegation of overcomplexity seems strangely and disappointingly juvenile or naive.
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I'm not sure its that we're wanting excessive explanation as much as we'd like SOME explanation. In the first movie, a bunch of aztecs cursed the treasure--end of story. Yes, its magical, but it IS logical. In this one, Davey Jones, a pirate, falls in love with a woman, is scorned, and then cuts out his own heart, puts it into a chest, and somehow becomes Lord of 7 Seas as a result. Now, if you cant see the difference between the mentality of the first plot point and the second, than this movie is perfect for you. I myself felt there was NO LOGIC to his origin and was a half-assed explanation at best. For all the excellent manerisms and quirks that Neighy brought to his character, Davey Jones remains thoroughly one-dimensional, to say nothing of straining my well-developed suspension of disbelief--unlike Barbosa.
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I cant wait to see Neighy, Rush, and Depp together in one scene during the next movie. Those three really can chew the scenery, can't they?
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I has been a while since I had fun going to a movie.
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Why were people going into this movie and expecting Citezen Kane? It's a blow'em pirate movie from one of the best producers for blowing shit up! He does not produce great films, he produces bad action films, most of them crap. However I like the silly films he is producing for Disney. NATIONAL TREASURE was silly but also entertaining. POTC: DMC. Was over the top, silly, pointless and most of the cool stuff in the movie was stolen from films far better than this one. However I smiled all the way through and loved every minute of it. That entertainment.
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The Da Vinci Code was okay, mindless fluff that was pretty engaging, MI:3 was surprisingly cool and suspenseful, X-men 3 was a pretty cool finish for a nice little mutant trilogy, Superman Returns was very, VERY enjoyable for me (one of the best times I've had in a theater), and Pirates of the Carribean was very fun, very cool, and very worth it. I don't know about you guys but I'm having a blast!
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how crazy is it to have that in a pirate movie! hahah anyone else think that was almost humerous? a nice effect, but i dont really think it belonged here. overall though, still liked the movie.
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Wasn't that the same shot from SR. It look like it to me. I think it made fun of every action dramtic covention out there. LOL
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I loved the movie, but damn, could they make it any less obvious that they were "stealing" characters/plot points from ESB and RotJ? I know people have been mentioning that this movie is like ESB, but if you look deeper it really seems as if they said lets just rehash the same Characters. Each Character seems to have a Star Wars counterpart.
Jack = Han Solo
Will = Luke
Eliabeth = Leia
Gibbs = Chewbacca
Davy Jones = Jabba the Hut
Norrington = Lando
Pintel = R2D2
Ragetti = C3PO
BootStrap = Darth Vader
Now of course its not exactly alike but here is the run down. You have a Jack (Han) struggling between getting paid and being a hero, owing a debt to Davy Jones (Jabba) on the run from his hunter the Kraken (Boba Fett) and the film ends with him being captured and his friends resolving to save him. Not only that but Jack like Han is a scoundrel type character that Elizabeth (Leia) is strangely attracted to. There is a love triangle also, but it plays out differently. You also have Will (Luke) who lost his father and has preconceived notions about what kind of man he was. He believes Bill (Vader) was a good man not a pirate (Sith). Elizabeth (Leia) is the governers daughter (Princess) who is tough and ends up taking a fighting roll. You have Gibbs (Chewie), is Jack's right hand man. Pintel and Ragetti (R2D2 C3PO) providing the comic releif and Norrington (Lando)who betrays them to save himself.
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What a fucking mess. Depp is good, I like the sequence when they're on the island being chased by natives, much of the CGI looks great. But the script is a huge mess and the direction is not very impressive. The entire group of ten people I was with were disappointed by the movie.
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I don't care what you losers say this film is a great summer movie and should make the hacks who made SR and X-Men ashamed.
I love me some Keira Knightly and fall in love everytime I see her on the big screen.
BTW I may be a dummy but I read the rules of liar's dice and I still do not understand the game.
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Thanks for the Memorylane Flashback. I had one of those plus the two-part comicbook when i was a kid. Damn that takes me back.
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There wasn't anything at end of credits, I stayed until the the screen went white...I felt robbed. Anyone else experience this?
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But thanks for leaving the light on for me.
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i stayed, unfortunatly. it was just the dog sitting in the chair on the island with the natives dancing around him. he had a bone in his mouth and is obviously their new god. it was about 10 seconds long and completly worthless.
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Sure, it's not as good as the first, but that's probably too much to hope for in this case. But this was still a solid, VERY entertaining movie which just suffered a little from being a bit confusing and a bit meandering. I don't know what the hell is wrong with many of the critics, I think they just had impossibly high expectations for this. Really, I can't imagine not liking this movie, or not recommending people see this. The big question is how soon will I see it again? I could watch it a second time back to back easily. The ending is a bit of a cliffhanger, but the surprise appearance was fantastic, makes me wish I could see the next one now and not have to wait for it.
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But i must say i had a good time, this is by far the best movie of the summer, better then Superman.
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It majorly pisses me off when critics say a film is 'too long'. When the fuck did that become a bad thing? And why do both critics and studios believe that people won't sit through a long movie? Does anybody remember 'Ben Hur' or 'Ten Commandments'?? People had no trouble there! And when the first LOTR extended cut came out, I watched it with my little sister (who was 11 at the time) and she sat through the whole 4 hours, didn't need the loo or get bored or anything. And that, my friends, is the point. If the film makers keep it interesting and fun, it does not matter how long the fucker is. I'd point this out as the big big problem with the Harry Potter films - love the books, hate the films. They have a great cast but they're too short and have none of the depth and info of the books. I thought POTC: DMC hit all the right notes, did a splendid job as a sequel, had some great character moments and some of the best CGI work I've seen. OF course it's not as good as Empire!! You can't really compare a new film to a classic in terms of quality! The naysayers need to watch the film again, let it grow on them, then reappraise their opinion - which is what I did with the first POTC flick. And it's worth it. A great film, full of fun and adventure with the odd dark twist thrown in for good measure. Roll on May 2007.
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Just got through seeing it a few hours ago. Personally, I thought it was a real fun popcorn film movie. To all the people who didn't like it. First off, were you really confused by everything? The only thing I'd agree with was that the whole dice thing wasn't that clear. As someone else pointed out, however, a huge explanation of the whole thing would've only taken up more time, and the emotional significance came through anyway. Regarding the macguffin list(drawing, key etc.), I thought it was pretty clear. Contrived maybe, but certainly not dizzying. Some people also seem pretty unsatisfied about the backround of Davy Jones, his heart etc.. There's a good chance some of this will be resolved in part 3. It's cool if you were dissappointed that more light wasn't shed on things in this installment, perfectly valid reason. Just don't assume that things won't be explained at all. I'll reserve judgement until part 3 comes along. And those who say that the first 40 minutes or so were mostly filler? You know what, I think I'd have to agree with you. It certainly didn't have much influence on the other events of the story. Mainly just a good chunk of random Jack Sparrow hijinks. Does it really matter? I still enjoyed the hell out of it, ridiculous shish-kabob pole vaulting and everything. If you guys just didn't have a fun time, sorry. Just hope that various technicalities aren't forcing you to not enjoy what was, for me anyways, a good fun time at the movies.
Anyways, one interesting thing. When Jack was retreating from the Kraken, he checks his compass to see what's most important to him. Whatever the result was had him going back to the ship. That led me to believe that the Black Pearl was his most prized possession. However, he soon gets everyone to evacuate without putting up much of a fight at all. Could Elizabeth really be his greatest love?
Oh, and that ending indeed kicked much ass. Shameless hook to get you back into theaters next year? Probably, but it still kicked ass. Guess Pintell and Ragetti'll be going bad again next time. Oh, and keeping the zombie monkey around for target practice was a pretty hilarious concept. OK, hope I didn't piss anyone off here. -
It's like they couldn't decide what they wanted to do, so they did everything. The only part I really liked was the last 20 seconds since, somehow, I had avoided the spoiler that he was in the movie. lol.
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pointed to jack, it was right after Norrington said "Who do you think sent will to the flying dutchman in the first place", and it was her wanting to know the answer, hence her sort of angry expression on her face after the fact that it led to Jack. Of course, it could have also just been her wanting to be with jack or like jack. I think that the first thing goes along with her eventual betrayal of Jack best, though.
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I felt it hard not to be entertained at this film. It was just plain enjoyable. True, mostly set up ("At Worlds End" is poised to be AWESOME) but I enjoyed myself thoroughly. The only thing I wish is that they had toned down the silliness a little bit, because sometimes it was a bit much. Still, it never overwhelmed the movie. Alot of fun, and I don't know why so many people are down on it. It holds it's own against the original.
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They damn well better be over 2 hrs. I liked how long this one was.
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It amuses me to no end that a story can't have bad parts and still be good overall. Pirates, while certainly not perfect, was still very entertaining, good for a laugh, and quite enjoyable despite its flaws (which really are very forgivable for summer faire). As I've said before, this movie will undoubtedly be even better when the third one comes out. Again, this isnt a trilogy; its a biiiig sequel (which can understandably piss off certain people). As far as length is concerned, I will admit the movie is too long. No, not because of time limits, but rather, becausethe story had too much breathing room. And when a story becomes too long for its own plot, it does seem to be grueling when you get to the end. Pirates probably could have cut down an easy 15 minutes or so, but hey, no big whoop.
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i feel so let down. what a mess that was. i agree with pretty much all the criticism above but i'm going to add something into the pot. i know crash (went to school with him) and i think the designs for this film sucked ass. way over the top, way dark and messy and unintelligible, way lazy. a kraken that looks just like the thingie in jedi out in the sand dunes? a crew of monster men that are so overdeveloped they are almost amorphous? a pirate ship with sails so covered in kelp they look furry? bad, bad, LAZY design. naughty crash. i thought the first movie was fab to the max. i thought this was...dare i say it...utterly pedestrian. yeah, i said it.
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did nobody see barbossa coming? he was lying on the floor in the cabin earlier on. and did nobody see the damned dog showing up as the last scene either? duh! sorry, still feeling gypped. and - i realized i mentioned knowing crash in my previous post and then not explaining why i would have brought that up. i bring it up because he and i are trained to do the same kind of work and it really drives me nuts when skilled designers fall back on cliche when i know just how much money they're paid to do that work!
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Saw it today and had just the opposite of the experience I had with the first one. With the first one, I thought any movie based on a theme park ride had to suck (Haunted Mansion, anyone?), but I wound up having a hell of a lot of fun when I watched it, so I had high hopes for DMC. I mean, how could more Capt. Jack Sparrow be a bad thing? And that's the problem... Sparrow was really the only good thing in this movie, but even he is less likable this time around. Less clever, less fun. In COTBP he was a lovable scoundrel that you had to cheer for, here he's just a total bastard who does something so evil that it made it impossible for me to forgive him. That makes the Han Solo comparisons moot.
The rest of the movie is crap. Anytime Depp was not in the scene the movie dragged. Yes, there's a lot of action but the story and characters are so weak that it falls flat and boring. About an hour and a half in I realized "oh my god, this movie really sucks!" Then I still had an hour to sit through, hoping it would improve. What really killed it for me was Davey Jones and his crew. You see, where the first POTC gave us undead pirates who were cool and creepy, this one gives us undead pirates who look so stupid and ridiculous that it made me want to groan every time one of them was on screen! Really, why couldn't we have actual actors playing cursed pirates, maybe with a bit of makeup, instead of a bunch of horrible Sci-Fi Channel computer effects?
Then there's the ending and its nonsensical "surprise" plot twist, which made this movie into little more than a commercial for POTC:3. How people can claim this is a better movie than SR (which I liked better the second time I saw it) is beyond me, and for all the (undeserved) Empire comparisons, the better one is to the Matrix: Reloaded, both in terms of overall suckage, weak plot, and tacked on, worthless cliffhanger ending. If you haven't seen it yet, and things like characters and story matter to you, I suggest waiting for the DVD. -
I don't remember hearing Davy Jones' "Summon the Kraken!" line that was in the trailer. My theatre had audio problems, so that might have been the reason. Was that line in the movie?
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Evidently there were a lot of lines either recorded just for the trailers or cut/altered at the last minute in editing.
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Not impress, about as good as part 1, meaning O.K., but nothing to ever see more than once. Kraken scene's were just like Master&Commander + Tentacles. Too much Elizabeth, silly, interminable action sequences (the 15 minute hamster wheel scene). Just Meh. SR was better, X3 was better
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Just got back from the opening night premiere, and wow! Lots of great humor, action galore, and a much more interesting storyline. Effects were top notch, so good you have a hard time determining what's real and what's greenscreen. The last plot twist before the credits roll was excellent, I can't wait until #3. Honestly I can't imagine why some naysayers would complain about this one, have you ever seen a movie you actually liked? Perhaps movies aren't your thing, because this one rocked. Easily the best movie I've seen in a couple of years.
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Certainly better than most films this summer. However, that is not saying much. Depp kind of seems like he is phoning it in this time around. There is some very lackluster editing and the film is missing the crackling energy of the first. However, Davey Jones is wonderful (I love the character) and there are some hugely entertaining action sequences and the character arcs are kind of interesting. They managed to make Bloom's character 1,000 times more likeable. Most of the McGuffin stuff is absolutely forgiveable in my opinion. My one curiosity, though, is about the villian who controls the East India Trading Company and why he knows the things he does, but I imagine this will be explained in the next film. I also found the twist with Elisabeth deliciously underhanded and am sure that will have repercussions in the next film. And also, who she is really in love with.
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I approve of this film, go see it now, that is all you need.
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really fun and entertaining....although, not perfect by
by simongarth2001
Beautifully shot, awesome score, kick ass effects, great ending. The only bad, is a bit of bad pacing and about 30 minutes too long. I still enjoyed the great stuntwork and the set design. My fav is still the first one, but that might change after part 3, when they all, hopefully, fit together into a whole.
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The film kind of meanders in its second act, the momentum really slows down. The beginning of the film through to the end of Cannibal island sequence is fantastic, as is the ending, but it flounders a bit in the middle. Still much better than most of the summer movies, especially Superman Returns, which meandered for its entire running time.
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i saw it, i tried really hard to love it, but my attempt was semi foiled by the precarious position that the awkward moments put me in. id din't like it as much as the first, but that's just me and there seems to be a lot of great feedback so lets just hope im an isolated incident. and in speaking of how this parallels empire-well, it goes a bit further into the timeline of said parallel, as we get to see the conversation in pirates of the carribean that would have similarly occured in Empire had empire followed the movie timeline for 1 more day, as we get to witness the conversation that ends up conspiring for the plot to retrieve jack from the 'edge of the world', which must have been a lot like the conversation between luke, leia and company leading up to the plot to save han. does that make sense?
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The wedding scene really didn't make sense to me. Why was Elisabeth standing in the rain in her wedding gown? Reflect/foreshadow longing for something else, or as Jack says to do something selfish? You never really can tell if she loves Will with passion. Nor does she love Jack, or well, you know. Anyway, I think it's Empire with bits and pieces here and there, which is to say, it's nothing like Empire.
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this movie was either one of 2 things: a way overdone movie in every snese(action, humor, lenthg) that was really kind of worthless as far as plot goes, or 2) nothing more than a set up for the grand finale. im thinking that a ton of things are going to become clear and make sense after the third installment. im looking to be wowed a lot by the next one as far as the clever plot goes. hopefully.
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differently after the whole story of the next film wraps up. i assume we have a lot to learn about a bunch of stuff that happened in this movie, and next year we will hopefully figure everything out, and look back at this movie with a smile.
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the whole thing on the island with the natives that made jack their god had nothing to do with anything. why was that in the movie? to take up a lot of time? maybe it will be back in the third film? who knows, but i am excited to figure everything out next summer.
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should stand on its own, regardless of being another film in a series. Remember when everyone said what you are saying after Matrix 2? Yeah, so do I.
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Not bad, but not great. Definitely a step back from the first one. Slightly above average. Rent it, or see it with a large group of people. It's kind of sad that Superman Returns is still the best blockbuster of the summer. Superman Returns had some great ideas and themes but still didn't quite escape the shadow of the Donner films. POTC 2 was a shadow of the first one. Unfortunate. Oh well, POTC 2 will probably kill Superman Returns a the box office not because it's a better movie, but because it's a sequel and people know what they are going to get.
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Thank you! Your detailed review pretty much expressed everything I thought as well. Unlike the first movie, this movie had no real memorable or quotable lines, no humor, no character development (except for Norrington of all people), barely any interaction or real tension between the main characters, no memorable new music, and no truly exciting action or swordfighting. Except for the names of the characters, it was unrecognizable to the first movie! I realize that this was really half a movie (they should have plotted it better so that this movie had its own true plot) so maybe the third movie will redeem it, but right now it's a sad turn for this once-promising franchise.
I also didn't understand why exactly all the main characters seemed to have no problems at one point or another betraying or threatening to kill each other. I didn't understand how Will could tell Norrington to go ahead and kill Jack, and then at the end be sad of Jack's death. Not to mention Elizabeth's betrayal and subsequent tears over his fate. This is a person they went out of their way to stop, and now they're going to go on some life-threatening quest to bring him back? Their motivations don't make sense to me.
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All these Star Wars similarities are cracking my ass up. I guess I never would make the connection. Now, next time I see it, that
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And I thought it was pretty cool
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I guess I'm a lame ass because I thought it was good. Jesus christ what do you guys want, perfection? From a pirate movie? Fuck. I thought it was incredible, I kept thinking that this must have been what it was like for people seeing Star Wars in theatres for the first time. It was so damn good I could hardly believe it was spawned from the first one, which was alright. Also, my movie collection mostly consists of films from the 50s to the 70s, I don't care for too many modern movies, so it's not like I don't know what its like to be a pretentious shit who lords his superior tastes in movies over lesser men.
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I really enjoyed the film for what it's worth. My jaw literally dropped at the ending. Very fun, very fun indeed. Could have done with less of the Jack/Elizabeth stuff though...
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the film as a whole is an utter mess and 7 people actually walked-out with 10 minutes to go!
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in the first movie, we are introduced to captain jack in a classic entrance. i also really liked his entrance in the secnd movie as well. i can only imagaine when and how he is going to make his entrance in the third and final film.
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i agree with asleeplessmind. i study film at university and don't like many current hollywood pictures. but for months i've been dying to have a good time at the theater. i'm a normally a documentary/wes anderson/gondry/truffaut kind of film goer. but for a while i've been wanting to see a hollow, hilarious, action packed movie with interesting effects and one that had a script that doesn't completely insult the audience. pirates 2 is all that and more. the best film i've seen since brick. and the most fun i've had in the theater in ages. i didn't love brick, merely liked some aspects of it but the movies this year have been utter shite. x3, superman? are you serious. those movies were total crap. wow, the sets were imaginative and the cgi...incredible. this might be the first time a movie with this many complex effects hasn't had several breakdowns where i'm completely taken out of the movie because of the quality of a certain scene. showing davy jones and his crew in bright sunlight was a triumph. this team really broke some big barriers with this movie and basically schooled the other big boys of the summer. you know, i enjoyed the first one alright and went to see this on the hopes that it would be at least as good. i will DEFINITELY be at worlds end on opening day next year.
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It's really cool when they put they put black dudes in the movies.
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Piece of shit. What the fuck are you guys smoking? That movie was nothing but wall-to-wall convoluted exposition and by a half hour in I no longer cared about any of it! I checked my watch after two hours (which FELT LIKE FOUR) and was depressed to realize I had a half hour to go. There were exactly three things to like - Sparrow's entrance, the voodoo chick (clearly having a blast) and Geoffrey Rush's entrance at the end. The rest SUCKED. Wake up, reality is calling.
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ok, loved the movie. haven't heard anyone else mention this quite this way, but here's what i found really funny in the film. after saving one bullet for the entire running time of the first movie, this time out Jack keep shooting that undead monkey every chance he gets. that just cracked my up. but, i thought the whole movie was tons of fun.
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It's a great film, but without the first one it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever. Movies in a trilogy are allowed to build off of each other. As for memorable music, there was that one piece they kept playing over for jack that I don't remember from the first movie... that single violin playing kind of a jig type of music. Was stuck in my head all day. And ZORAK: The whole point of them being upset was that Jack, who had been a coward the whole movie actually came back, showed some decency and saved the day. He proved himself a good man, that's why Will was upset. Elizabeth was upset because she's a good person. She may have betrayed Jack, and even said she wasn't sorry, but she obviously was... Hence the volunteering to save him in the next film.
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Was not cut, just spliced for the trailer. In the real film he says summon _____ ____ (can't remember, then he says "the kracken!". I think anyway. A few of the trailer shots were not in the film... like Will's "Nevermind, lets go!" changing to "time to go". Also, did not put it together that it was barbossa lying on the floor of Tia Dalma's in the first sequence with her until reading it above. Nice catch. I can not believe anyone thought that the creature design and effects in this film were bad, pedestrian, lazy, fake looking or whatever. They were fantastic. How each pirate was made up of these sea creatures, their body parts constantly animated (like the guy with clams on his shoulder), breathing and moving. Bootstraps's sprouting barnacles? Come on, that was really imaginative, original stuff. Just really slick. Knock the movie for other things, fine, but leave the design alone.
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Temple of Doom was critized by critics, because it was too over the top. I think this installment of pirates will get the same sort of treatment. I loved Temple of Doom and got the same sort of feeling from Dead Mans Chest. It ROCKED!!!
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From the entirely inappropriate and unnecessary analogy being cited contrasting "The Empire Strikes Back" with "Dead Man's Chest," because there is a VERY fundamental flaw in logic present there- The difference between the two is quite simple, "The Empire Strikes Back" is a GOOD film.
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Actually they were only going to the bathroom and such, but ObiWan_yaknowme is correct. This movie isn't good. It's not nearly as fun as the first one. It cant find it footing until every ends up on the island and starts the fight over Davy Jones' chest. I can say that it's more enjoyable than the dull, boring, Superman Returns movie that came out last week. "Pirates 3: Japan, Here We Come" is going to have one hell of a time wrapping up all the loose ends and providing a much more enjoyable, awe-insipiring finale. (More coherent babbling on this movie when it's not 3:17 AM...)
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But he's fucking hilarious! Film was over-long, but it was still a very fucking entertaining couple of hours!
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May of 2007 is what I just read.
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I though overall it was a smashing film. Just a bit uneven. The first third was far too slow, too long and to childishly comedic. whereas the middle portion of the film got weighted down with characters talking and "plot" intercut with people looking for things aimlessly. It really lost its way during this section, only to try and make up for it with a frenetic (and bloody entertaining) third act, which was almost all balls-to-the-wall action. This could have been fixed with some judicious editing, but I don't think it stopped the film from being a very enjoyable romp.
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Because he made a deal with Davy Jones. Exchanging his soul for bringing his ship back from the deep and him captaining it for 13 years.
If he got Jones' heart he could force him to release him from the deal.
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The trading company dude wants it to control the sea. If you control the sea, you control the kraken as well....so any trading company with this power, could rule the oceans. there would be no competition in the world.
Will wanted it to release his father from Jones crew.
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For me this was easily the best of the big budget blockbusters that this year has offered. MI3 was garbage, as was X3. Superman just aint my cup of tea, but I'll stil watch it just so I can have a moan about it! Hahaha. Anyway, I totally enjoyed Pirates 2. I was also thinking of all the Star Wars comparisons whilst watching it. I just hope Pirates 3 doesn't turn out to be a Return Of The Jedi...
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omg listen to yourselves. What a bunch of retards. What the fuck do you want from a movie? Of course it's not as special as the first, you already know Captain Jack Sparrow and probably watched the first film more then a few times by now. If you any of you were lucky enough to have companionship I would think you would have cheated on them already being that the relationship is not as satisfying as it once was the first time. Nothing is ever as special as the first time.
I think they did a decent job with this movie. They had to have a reason for a movie, and although Jack Sparrow is reason enough, I think the betrayal felt here is that other characters are getting more time and development in this installment then Jack is. Where as Jack stole the show in the first one, and he still does in this one just in this one there is more going on where you don't focus all your attention to him as the shinning bright light in the darkness that was the first film.
We all wanted to see more Jack but it sounds like everyone wanted the equivalent of staring at his picture and jerking off continously for 3 hours and you don't need a movie to do that.
I seriously think the more viewings, the more appreciative people will become of this film.
I think I'm being a delusional POTC fanboy here, but honestly there is nothing to be upset about in the movie. The first time is the first time for a reason, and nothing else can ever be like the first time, lest it stop the being the first time.
Superman returns flat out sucked ass and the ending was so lackluster. I don't give a fuck if there is a sequel to SR, I don't care what happens to luthor or superman or their kid. And here I am dying to see POTC 3.
This movie takes influences from lots of things and makes it something great. all you fat bearded 30 year old larping fucks can think of is Star Wars and Indiana Jones, what about the One Piece manga/anime. The compass, the fish people, the end of the earth aka Grand Line. This is like a live action One Piece in a way, it's fucking awesome! -
fat bearded larpers... And that is anime fans.
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I could care less if they ever make another. While the effects were great, it just was lackluster to say the least. They should have started with a great story and script....which they thought they had, but most certainly did not.Hey DC...show me something I havent seen before...like a green Lantern Corps flick!! Until then...pirates was fun, just like a summer movie should be. I can't wait to see how it all wraps up in May 07.
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There's no topping the first, which really wasn't that phenomenal of a movie to begin with, FACE IT. Depp and Rush carried the first, and in this one it feels like Johnny is trying to imitate his own performance. All the times the movie paused for Sparrow to deliver the lines fell flat, and the fucking nonsensical action sequences ONE AFTER A FUCKING NOTHER makes me demand my $8 back to go see Superman Returns - the best film of 2006.
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EMPIRE STRIKES BACK MUTHAFUCKA. Cause I'm the Yodanaught, bitch!
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...the GNP of a small country...you had better get a good fucking product. the design was bad because it was messy. do you know for how many months those guys hung out and ate pizza and conceptualized and then built that stuff in the computer? do you know how many other fresh lively creatively unusual movies could have been made with their art and fx budgets alone? i will knock the design all i want because it was not well-done. there's a difference between good cg and good design. good design has a reason that sticks with you. just having a bunch of neato-looking shit doesn't mean anything. not to beat this dead horse but the villains in star wars resonate through the ages because there are references to the SS in their characters and costumes. and don't tell me the star wars movies weren't popcorn, either. why are the bad guys bad in this movie? so davy jones has a fucking octopus on his head? oo, he must be bad! and there were still holes in the cg!? how is that POSSIBLE? how bad was the blue screen of jack jumping into the kraken's big mouth? guhh!
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According to HSX and soon Box Office Mojo, this movie will have annilated the Friday record for single day box office.
At $55 million, that would be $10 million more than X3 from earlier this year and $5 million more than Revenge of the Sith (the previous single day record holder) had on Thursday. Very impressive.
I guess the question is, what will it do for Saturday and Sunday? It could get very close or even blow away the $114 million Spiderman made from Friday-Sunday back in May 2002. -
I'm different because I am a pretentious introvert that believes the world around me is populated by inane cum gurgling incompetants.
I am an Anime fan, this is true. I am also a Comics fan, a movie fan, I don't limit myself to one subsection of geekdom. I am fancy myself a citizen of the internet and all the knoweledge and vileness contained therein. I have seen it all and when I tell you to STFU, you better believe it.
ROFLMAO hahaha.. Listen I don't really care one way or the other, and this is why I will win regardless in the end. Say what you will, insult as you will. Do you really think after living life on the net seeing a million times over the darkest fears of mand kind aka your fat ugly mother in a scat video, that anything you can say to attack me personaly will really mean something.
You on the other hand that cling to your little precious starwars, I could go on and on insulting you precious little Yoda, and you will die a little death inside each and every time.
You know why am I even bothering to post, I'll just shut up myself. Maybe the same reason you all are as well, bored of it all. And when I watched POTC2 the other day I was not bored for the 2 and half hours, I was entertained and happy about it. The only thing that I was upset about was the sadness that all the waiting is over and now we wait again for the elusive date that gives meaning to hang on to life fo r one more day, not to go before seeing that one proveriable movie that we must see before we meet our end.
I think most feel this way and this is where the utter disapointment stems from. It has to be so good that it's worth dying for and then you realize nothing is ever worth dying for. But we cling to the next film or next game,comic, what have you that should enspire us to keep on keeping on and that is life.
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Peas in a pod. Sounds to me like these movies/directors needed an adult around. When a studio says, "You made us a lot of money before, do whatever you want." Sometimes it works out, sometimes you wind up with a too-long, self-indulgent, un-affecting pastiche of decent pieces that might have made a very good, shorter, more heartfelt movie, if anyone had been around to say, "NO.". If one lesson comes out of the equally mixed X3 story, it's that maybe less is more at the boxoffice ..............
Speaking of: It's true, and I take no pleasure in it, SR IS in trouble. Even though it initially may be posting BAT like numbers, SR cost about $150 million more. Plus, BB had tremendous staying power, I think from multiple viewing and tremendous word of mouth. That doesn't look in the cards domestically for a fading SR, especially if PIRATES2 doesn't sink. (An astonishing 50% of the moviegoing public say they will see Sparrow and company this weekend.) But before too many hard lines are drawn, SR has yet to open in western Europe. The first SUPERMAN actually had bigger international receipts than US. BUT, that was decades ago, and since Superman is such an American icon when it's fashionable to hate America.... well, maybe they can blame Bush on this too. I think personally that SR is tracking to do about $200 million max US. If it does only $100 million abroad = disastrous no-sequel flop. $200 million abroad would be painful, but survivable flop territory. It's not a question now of if, but how bad. Remember this was once projected, by some former studio exec, to gross $1 billion ww. Now, half that would be a genuine miracle. Yeah, if you liked the movie, so what. Screw the suits. But how big a bust will definitely impact the sequel and franchise, and maybe the genre as well. PS Here's hoping Pirates2 does NOT break Spidey's 3 day opening record of $114.84 million. The two major BO sites are split now on what likely will be a photo finish come Monday morning. -
...is a mighty assload of Donald Trump lotto. Especially for a movie that's roughly 50% as entertaining (the last half) as the first fucker. I can't imagine it going any higher on Saturday...but if it even catches 45 mill, that Spidey 1 record will have it's ass handed to it by Sunday night. Feel bad for Supes, but it is a long, relatively action free, self indulgent and one pretentious bore of a flick....luckily, Dead Man's Chest managed to get it's head out of it's arse before it became too much of a similar story. I mean, Supes only picked up 7 mill Friday night...yes, due to Jack and them, but this thing's gonna make what, 225 mill...MAYBE? That's ass. And it's because it's one seriously boring fucking movie.
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then it will have broken even in nearly everybody's book--including WB. After all, that extra 50 to 60 million was lost over a decade of false starts, not because of Singer. In the end, this movie will break about even. And then a few months from now, the dvd sales will result in a huge chunk of change for WB.
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and thats considered ass--what a world we live in. Its a blockbuster thats garnering a lot of dough at the theaters. Granted, its not doing the numbers of the other franchise films, but it wasnt an established franchise, no matter what the naysayers...well, say.
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saturdays usually earn even more than on fridays, with sundays tapering off a bit afterwards. 55mil on friday, possibly 60 mil on saturday, and 35 mil on sunday. Rough estimate, of course, but im predicting 150 for the weekend.
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...at that budget, it needed to knock one way outta the park, POTC:DMS style. When over 200 mill is spent, then THAT'S the kind of world you're playing in. Superman Returns again would have been greenlit the first day if it had opened at 40 mill +. And it didn't. I'd love to have seen that...trust me, but it would have had to have been a more engaging picture than it is.
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but a film's success isnt determined by its profit status. Following that studio beancounter logic, Batman (89) was a flop and never made the studio any money, save for merchandising. No, oneragga, a film is judged by how much money it earns at the box office--thats why they're called box office hits. If a movie earns over a 100 mil domestic in its first seven days, even at today's ticket prices, its a hit--end of story.
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Batman Begins' theatrical run didnt garner any money for the studio either--it just broke even. Does that mean its ass, too?
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Remember how Irvin Kershner delivered as much humor as action in Empire Strikes Back? That what Dead Man Chest is like. I think this movies pace is so fast that people may be missing/forgetting all the cool moment this film has. It make me want to watch it again.
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success isn't gauged by the actual profit. it's gauged by the profit versus the budget. one of the most successful films of all time was 'my big fat greek wedding.'
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If a movie sucks, it is ass. If you paid the money to see it then of course it will make money and be a money maker, but it doesn't change the fact the movie is ass. Furthermore if you are one of those that paid for a ticket you have every right to claim the movie is ass! Since you have seen it for yourself and allowed to your opinion. But this is the catch 22 of the movie industry.
So what is really not understandable is how people can even begin to debate or question the validity of a good movie or bad movie on the money it makes, when no one has the right to comment unless they forgoe said money and see it for themselves, in effect making the movie a quote unquote box office hit. -
A films financial success is obviously based on profit. There are also other types of success, of course: critical, box office take, and word of mouth. Business wise, this movie stands to just break even (a far cry from what the overhypers said, but when has that been any different?), but its critical reaction has been very positive, audience reaction seems mostly positive, and its box office take makes it a hit. Granted, its roughly an average hit, but its still a hit. But I'm sure none of this will stop the chicken littles like ringbearer, moviemack, and john galt. Sigh...
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It seems like we go to movies and pay the price to just pass judgement and see how much it sucks or doesn't suck. We seem to loose the fact that we are supposed to be enjoying ourselves and having a good entertaining time.
Everyone seems to want to nitpick something about pirates. I will say this, the only time I get pissed off at a movie is if it insults my intelligence and makes me feel my money has been wasted utterly and completely or similarily make feel as if I had just watched MTV or some reality show spawned on MTV for 30 minutes.
Pirates 2 did not make me feel this way and in my book it is a good movie and worth every penny. It did not insult my intelligence because there is no reference material aside from the first movie to look upon and say this is so so wrong. In fact everything is so so right, according to the first film.
SR made me question everything, what little I knew or did not know from the first films or what little knowledge we have throughout the years of his many strengths and weakenesses. The only thing missing from SR was soundtrack by Coldplay,ugh.
I digress, enough about SR, it is it's own movie and has been debated many times, I think POTC:DMC deserves more respect then to compare it to that, and anyway what are we compaing anyway SFX, Budget, Money made,Acting? I think POTC:DMC trumps SR in all of those things anyway. -
Oh, no doubt about it--Pirates is probably the best summer movie and will almost surely be one of THE biggest hits of all time. Personally, I enjoyed Superman even more, but thats just me. I also think the plane sequence was one of the most harrowing scenes i've experienced in a movie--very memorable, to my mind. Pirates, on the other hand, had much better overall effects, acting, and more childish antics. The complaint with both movies, and rightfully so, to my mind, is that they are obvious set-up pictures rather than stand-alone plots and were, in superman's case, heavy on exposition and in Pirates' case, filler.
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but rather in the sense that its more appealing to kids--it will shut them up.
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"but a film's success isnt determined by its profit status."
LOL. Yeah right. What world do you live in? The financial success of these films determines if any more get made.
Break even might be enough to convince them to do another one, but it'll likely be smaller.
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The fact that that ending was so good is a testament to
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Geoffrey Rush's incredibly underrated performance in the first film. Like Depp, he took a stock character and made it crackle with life.
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Oh, so you mean to say that a film's profit status is the only means to judge a film's success? Silence of the lambs didnt make anywhere near the amount Hannibal made, but is viewed as a much more successful film because of CRITICAL reaction. As far as a sequel for Superman goes, I'm not sure the film would look smaller, despite having less of a budget. For one thing, i believe a lot of money was misspent on Supes. An entire krypton sequence was filmed, fully realized effects, and even scored and was cut out. Accrding to singer, that scene costed about 5 to ten million. He then went over budget by 2 million dollars to film the armed robbery sequence (which, although neat, was just filler). 5 million on a jorel sequence that was largely cut and covered by fog and rendered useless anyway. He even spent 6 months filming when he could have had it done in a fraction of the time. Remember, Revenge of the Sith had far more effects than Superman but costed only half of to do it. Discounting the 50 or 60 million dollars in restarts, singer's film costed 204 million to make when it should have only costed them 160 or so, but then, Singer never graduated from the school of complete storyboarding, much like peter jackson.
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far above everything else especially superman people who say it wasn't a fun ride are liars
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I think it was just enough of her on screen really, and Orlando I didn't fixate on his acting skills so much as I was in awe that he was not such a pussy in this film. I was shocked how he pulled the key from under the tentacles of Davey Jones and how I was expecting in a cliche way for Davey to wake up and just make Will have a very bad day indeed. That was a tense moment if you let yourself get caught in the story.
Why not debate, what would happen if this movie wasn't PG rated and cruel Elizabeth shot the India trading company guy whatever his name was, when she took the pardon after he signed it. Sure she would be a fugative from the law, but then it would be justified and she would be a pirate like she always wanted. Jack would be more wolverine like in a way where he dispatches those he needs to, while keeping his charm.
In a sense thats what is the real travesty here. The stupid ratings system holding back good characters and good stories in fear the little cum stains of the world will grow up and shoot a school or something.
Instead of encouraging and promoting the intellect and growth of children, they want to shelter them and treat them like inferior beings with no comprehension of what is right or wrong when they have a better understanding then most adults do. We on the other hand have been mind fucked into our ways of thinking, and are continually doing the same to the next generation. But I am spouting more bullshit I really shouldn't bring into a movie talkback, but then as someone would say "That's so metal!" this is "So Geek".
And what the fuck is up with these fucking retarded idiots who can't take birth control pills or keep their dicks zipped up brining their hellish 1-2 year old offspring to the movies all the damn time, every blockbuster film I've seen this summer had a fucking baby cry in the theatre, at any given showing time wether it be 11pm at night or 2pm in the afternoon, for fuck's sake people. If you aren't mature enough to have kids where they don't take over your life completely, don't have them unless you are ready for that kind of sacrifice. Fucking food stamp cretins. -
I visit the internet quite often, but people who live there are pathetic human beings that need to put themselves out of their own misery.
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We are not human, we are leet trolls. Now GTFO my intahrweb.
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Thank ye, lad. By the by
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Exactly what is the difference between sean penn and johnny depp (besides looks, that is)? They're both effeminate hippy-wannabes, for crying out loud! Regina, you must be a teenager.
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You Know I always walk into a BruckHeimer Movie thinking "I am ready foran intellectual drama about Immigrants grwoing up in tough neiborhoods". Naysayers of this film are acting like he produed a sequel to Citizen Kane. The complaints from people about this film are the same as the complaints from the first (too long, lots of exposition...etc). People are taking this film way too seroiusly. It was great fun and you all know it.
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Since when did ESB invent the way a movie is told with three characters?
It didn't, so therefore POTC2 in my opinion doesn't really even follow that formula to me anyway.
As for teh movie it was as good or better than the first one. Fun, adventureous and full of crazy moments. It will also blow Spiderman's record out of the water(pun intended)
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PIRATES is a cheezy homage to Old Melodrama actiona pictures and serials just like ESB. It follows the dramatic conventions alomost to the letter so it is going to resemble. These guys are not trying to make statment or create a new type of filmaking. If you don't this POTC, then you cannot like ARMY of DARKNESS either and I know most of you do.
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Get along his starboard and part the forward cannon at his insect balls, you sorry sacks of entrails! We're gonna show them land-lubbers that Pirates don't even know how to SPELL arachnaphobia! We'll overtake that sniveling little spder-wench and rule the box-offices in all the seven seas! YO HO!
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I appreciate the fact that you didn't like the design, but the way you talk about it like it's a scientific fact rather than a matter of taste isn't doing it for me. You may have noticed that the design and the quality of the effects are the two things that people have praised across the board. Many of the people who hated the movie mention those things as being great. In theory I can understand the idea of the designs just being too busy, but looking at them on screen I don't think that's the case. I love those monsters because they remind me of Walt Disney - they are cartoon characters. The ride was designed by animators like Marc Davis and this movie almost looks like it was too. Davy Jones's crew are great animated characters and the world around them has an artificial, painted look slightly reminiscent of the soundstage-shot live action Disney classics like Mary Poppins and the like. A ways back you referred to the designers as falling back on cliches and I mean, come on man. That's ridiculous. I think you could make a convincing argument for them being undisciplined or ineligant but not cliche. People are responding to them because they've never seen creatures like this on screen. Also, comparing the Kraken to the Sarlacc pit is really stretching. It's an octopus! They were plagiarizing God. Finally, I hate it when people use variations on the silly "you're just jealous" argument in talkbacks, but when you talk about knowing the head designer and working in the same business in the same message where you make those type of arguments, it does lead one to make assumptions about why you're having such an extreme over-reaction. Anyway, I'm sorry you didn't like it but I think you can explain your views while also chilling out a little bit and allowing for differences in taste. A baker can argue for ten years about why somebody else's cake is no good, but if people think it tastes good they're going to keep eating it.
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at least its pirates 2 and not superman returns that is going to dethrown spidey. oh wait, nevermind, SR wasnt even close. it is basically bombing, especially now that pirates is out. sucks to be a superman fan, good work pirates, and look out for spidey 3 and pirates 3 to battle for a new record next year.
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this really should be interesting come next year. The two hottest movie properties out (okay, spiderman is a bit more popular) and set to duke it out--this should be really cool--especially since its the last movie of both franchises (as far as the main plot goes, anyway), both are made extremely well and with seemingly a lot of love, and both will probably kick all kinds of ass. I still think Spiderman will be a bit more popular, but we'll see. Clearly, the Pirates are the UNDAAAARRR Dogs!
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oh and i beleive they both cost about the same to make, and i also beleive superman is supposed to be this iconic figure that was going to save the box office. good work blowing cock superman. thankfully we have spidey 3 next summer to completly get you out of my memory. and pirates 3 also.
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that it just wasn't that funny? I mean that really killed it for me. I could forgive all the other niggling things like the essential pointlessness of the Cannibal Island setpiece, the tiresome non-stop action and everything that seemed to bother most other people who didn't love the movie but the failure to amuse essentially made the film a big disappointment for me. There were problems with Superman Returns for sure but I really enjoyed the film and so in the end I can forgive them.
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and moves its release date to May/June in place of its rat movie and reschedules said rat film to christmas? I've got 5 bucks that says I'm right.
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It's 16 fucking hundred in the PoTC movies. Hell fucking yes sexist values still exist.
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next summer really should be interesting. i dont think pirates 3 will open like this one is, but it will be huge thanks to the cliffhanger in the current movie. spiderman 3 will obviously be huge as well. they both go over well with the ladies because of love stories and attractive men, and obviously bring the action. we will also see shrek 3 which could end up owning them all, and transformers you never know. looks to be a good summer.
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Nahh, you probably werent too hard on it. The movie did cut back on the humor quite a bit, to say nothing of character interaction. And Neighy, as good as he was, was still upstaged by Rush's Barbossa. Not his fault, however, on account of Rush's character being pretty charismatic. Again, you arent going to really enjoy this film until you see the third one, which has been a problem for more than a few I know.
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make everything worth it. im not saying it was right for the writers to make it like this, but i think everyone has to give the 3rd one a chance and it should make the second one make a lot more sense and look a lot better.
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Well, I have never been a Shrek fan, so i couldnt give two hoots about that bloated mess, but i do care about transformers. However, if that thing opens up alongside either pirates or spiderman, you can forget any chance at success. And to those that are complaining about sexist values, shove off! I'm so sick of ugly girls bitching about the pretty girls who grew up playing barbies or *gasp* arent really interested in action flicks. I know its crazy to say that men and women are different and that most men like action/adventure and most women like drama/romance, but trust me, boys and girls, its a fact of nature.
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shrek 2 is the second highest grossing movie of all time, so the third should do pretty damn well next summer. it opens 1 1/2 weeks after transformers, so i dont think transformers will benefit from that. but yeah it will probably just be between spidey 3 and pirates 3, im thinking spidey will win because i doubt everyone who didnt like the second pirates is going to give this 3rd one the chance it deserves. oh well.
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Thats the main problem with Pirates (as well as The Matrix before it): its not really a trilogy. Again, this is a two-part sequel movie in which the first act takes up about 60% of Dead man's chest, thus making it much ado about nothing if you are just watching the second movie. If you watch 2 and 3 back to back, however, you'll come out with a really cool 5 hour film.
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That's why the East India Company wants it. Davey Jones made a deal with the Devil in exchange for his broken heart (this is a variation on a common fairy tale/mythology element). Jack just wants it to change his deal with Jones. Jones is wicked, but it's clear he's a tragic figure. I bet in part3, Barbarossa will be the real backstabber, Davey Jones will be redeemed (hate to say it, but, shades of Darth Vader). Obviously I liked the film enough to speculate about the sequel!
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I don't think any of the LOTR films are really that good. Pretty, yes. Great? No. They have some good moments, and Golem was an outstanding creation. But there's too much story, even for 3 films.
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Davey will die at the end--he'll not pull a darth vader. Barbossa will try to backstab but in the end, he'll be happy once he gets his hands on a ship and sets sail. The film will end with Jones dead, Bootstrap will kill him and die in the process, a marriage will happen with Sparrow as the best man, and while barbossa may or may not be a witness at the wedding, he will deffinately steal the pearl, and the movie will fade to black on Sparrow commandeering a ship chasing off after barbossa in the sunset, possibly with keira and orlando in tow. the end!
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because it IS a bruckheimer/disney production, after all.
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owns Barbarossa. I loved the character, down to his accent and pipe. A well drawn villain. This film seemed more like a fairy tale to me than the last. I'm sure it will only get stranger. On Elisabeth, I agree with you. The first film made it seem like this is really her story. That's why I felt like if Star Wars comparisons are apt (and they're not) that Elisabeth is Luke, Will is Leia (for sure), and Jack is Han.
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I was thinking how the last film could be told from Elisabeth all grown up as a mother about her adventures at the end of the world. With the understanding that she's married to Will and Jack lives forever, sort of like the Peter Pan character he is. After all, they will all have to cheat death to get out of Hell. Which, Jack may or may not be running by the time they go to all the trouble to find him.
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giving up his life for all and Elisabeth and Jack fondly remembering him as they tie the knot. Jack becomes a respectable Buccanneer and grows up. But that's not going to happen because there would be a mutiny in the talkbacks.
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bryan, i'm a concept designer. i've designed films as well as theme park rides. in point of fact i've designed an entire theme park for a tv network. the fact that people will enjoy this movie is not the point of my posting. the point is that i'm aggravated that no matter how much money or technology is thrown at a project, sometimes you still get tired McDesign that people will accept as 'cool' because it's flashy. everybody here has big opinions about filmmaking and box office and story. my field of expertise is design. therefore, my two cents isn't jealousy or cattiness, it's critisicm. any skilled designer can take it as good as they can dish it out.
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he will be reunited in heaven with his love. If that his not the case, why all of the buildup with his heart, the longing look in his eyes when love is mentioned, the locket that plays the melancholy tune, etc. Of course he is going to be redeemed. Barbarossa is a cutthroat and will get his. He's cheated death once already.
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and the ocean will live happily ever after?
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oh, for sure--the last thing davey will say before he dies is the name of his wife (ala barbosa's apple-in-a-hand bit). As far as Barbosa...I dont know. I dont think he'll be killed. Something tells me that he's gonna live--sort of a running joke that depp and barbossa will always be trying to double cross the other. It also makes more sense to keep him alive for any possible sequels in the future. Jones, on the other hand, is gonna be stir-fried at the end. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I cannot wait to see Jones, Barbosa, and Sparrow all in one scene together--all three are very, very cool characters.
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affections is? That's kind of what made me think of mermaids. Some kind of love that is tied to the sea, but that was humanly impossible (following along with the fairy tale/myth of him giving up his heart and becoming a monster). Also, Barbarossa cheated death. He was supposed to have died in part 1. He did not, and they are going to Hell to get Jack back. What else do you think is going to happen? Barbarossa is cutthroat and has absolutely no redeeming qualities.
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Well, I don't know who Jones loved, but i'll tell you who she will look like: keira Knightly. You just know that that little plot will be played. Jones will see Keira and be reminded of his long-gone wife. If they dont pull that plot, keira's character will be rendered null and void for the entire sequel.
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Of of the most boring two, no excuse me, two and 1/2 hrs of my life. Had to wake my wife up when it was finally time to leave. Although it does take a lot of talent to make shots in full sunlight look dark, part of the planned "atmosphere" I guess. SR was much more entertaining. Wasn't one laugh (may a titter) from the audience during the whole movie. Oh, did I say hated it?
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wedding dress floating in the water. Another longing look. Didn't DuPont suggest that Elisabeth was a reincarnated sea goddess? I thought she was joking.
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that was up at Latinoreview.com before Disney made them take it down. Maybe Disney will change some things around now.
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Is that it pulls every cliche in the book and some of the talkbackers are acting like the film is just self-consciously referencing and parodying previous movies. Trust me, the writers arent that good. In any case, the third film will pull a mummy and reveal that elizabeth is the sea goddess reincarnated and Will Turner, who's destined for grateness according to the witch, will take davey's place as a good sea god who's married to elizabeth. My wedding ending will still stand however, with Sparrow chasing off after Barbossa. They had better change it (though we know they wont) because the whole reincarnated love cliche has been done TO DEATH and the reincarnated god/royalty thing was the single worst thing about Mummy Returns (thats right, worse than the kid)and will be the straw that breaks the camel's back in this franchise, if they pull that routine. But it does look like Elizabeth will be the love interest of Davey Jones, as well as Sparrow, Turner, the washed up pirate, and possibly Barbossa. I guess pirates really dig Beanpoles, huh?
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to the modern woman-is-goddess cliche, but I could see them doing just that. I like that she doesn't need a rescue, that she is clever, and self-possessed, but I can't stand the Independent Woman Charlie's Angels crapola applied to every female character now. And she was bordering on that in this film with the swordfight, going against magical pirates three times her bodyweight. *****As far as that in the Mummy, I didn't mind it because it was a common theme in the first film and also is central to Egyptian mythology. (There is even an Egyptologist who claims to be reincarnated Pharaoh's daughter and had dreams where she was able to navigate the tombs after supposedly having never been there.) However, in Pirates it seems that they are going the route that everyone involved touches magic/mythology. If they are going to Hell to get Jack, I guess that can't be avoided.
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religious themes, and it will undoubtably be the case here since we are talking about damned souls (as also with the Matrix films), Hell, etc., when you start mixing Western Religion with Eastern Religion, inevitably you risk having to overexplain because they are contradictions by nature. The original Star Wars successfully pulled this off, but the Matrix films certainly did not.
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Sorry to disagree with you bud, but studios don't drop $200+ Million on special effects extravaganzas and settle just for a critical success and sleep better at night. Critical success is fine if your movie is budgeted at $40-$50 Million, released in the fall, gathers Oscar buzz, and makes a killing during the run-up to the Academy Awards. If you're a studio which releases wanna-be blockbusters which cost Hundreds of Millions and only break even with the help of merchandising and DVD sales, you wouldn't be in business very long. Make no mistake, after this weekend, heads will roll at WB, no matter how happy a spin they put on things.
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, or do you have a crystal ball? I mean, the Superman hasnt even finished its theatrical run and you are screaming to the heavens "flop!!" I'm sorry to tell you this but the film will break even by the end of its run and garner most of its profit via dvd sales and merchandising, just like batman begins (supposedly the first batman `89 as well) and a slew of other films. In your own little world, i suppose, sequels arent made from films that just break even before they hit dvd release, but here in the real world, it happens all the time.
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I'm merely debating the idiotic "superman is ass" routine that cropped up here a few posts ago from some guy I'm too lazy to look up. If we're talking financial success requirements, than I agree with you, save for your extremely premature pronouncment of when this film will break even.
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yeah, i guess thats something of a turnoff for me. I dont mind realism tinged with some mysticism, as in Indiana Jones and The Mummy, but at a certain point, things go too far for me, and the Journey into Hell idea is deffinitely approaching mark. If it the introduce reincarnation on top of it, I'm just gonna throw my hands into the air. I know I'm probably being picky, but I wanted a pirate movie with elements of fantasy, not a weird slap-dash fantasy with a pirate element. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that I scrwed up when I broke my "dont see the set up movie till the payoff film is finished" vow that I made during the Matrix Revolutions; the payoff was not nearly as good as the cliffhanger movie. When I watch the films back to back I really dont have time to speculate ad nauseum, and so Im not let down or anything. Oh well, third time's the charm...
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No need to get riled up because a movie you like is underperforming at the BO. It's the movie business, it's a hit and miss game. I actually liked SR, but I'm not unrealistic about it's performance. Right now if you check boxoffocimojo, Devil Wears Prada is playing in half the theatres of SR, yet it's pulling in nearly similar numbers. That's isn't good news for WB or SR. This just wasn't the summer for Superman. Singer made a decent movie that some people liked, but obviously the major Summer market of junior high school and high school kids don't think much of it. I took some young cousins who are in sixth grade to see an early showing of Pirates this morning. They loved it. They're jazzed to see it again, over and over. Jack Sparrow is their Indiana Jones. They had also seen SR and thought it was, direct quote, "boring as shit."
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sorry
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I'm actually in quite a good mood;) I'm merely taking issue with some of the premature statements. As far as opinions are concerned, everyone has them and your nephews are no different. The theater I was in had applause DURING the film. And my kids happened to like it. It doesnt really matter though, what our opinions are as they are anecdotal and thus unprovable. I'm merely stating that maybe you shouldnt determine a film's status until after its theatrical run is complete. Again with the baseball analogy, but its been 1 or 2 innings and your trying to predict the results. It just seems a bit (there's that word again) premature and hyperbolic.
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if SR turns out to have strong legs and does well before the Summer is over. All I'm saying is that WB, must be sweating bullets as are Singer and gang. I'm sure that is not how they imagined things would turn out.
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I totally agree with you there. I guess the reason I get kinda geeky about all these idiots that scream out "this movie is ass and heads will roll" is because I actually like this film;) Seriously, the real reason is that I distinctly remember what happened when Star Trek: the Motion Picture opened. That film, at the time, was one of the most expensive ever, had horrible reviews, bad word of mouth (even for trekies) and did an okay opening for its first couple of weeks. Not as good as Star Wars or Close Encounters, but it was pretty good. After a few weeks of repeat viewings by trekkies, however, the film went on to earn about 100 mil or so (i forget exactly how much--i could be off by twenty or even forty). Now, in retrospect, the movie costed like 40 million (maybe more if you included nearly 10 years of false starts), so paramount deffinitely made a profit. Again, nothing like Star wars or Close Encounters or even Jaws, which is what the studio was angling for (especially because it had an established audience and to have the same content as those two huge hits)but it made a reasonable profit (remember, this was way before video sales were much of a factor). The story sounds pretty familiar, doesnt it? Here we all are, 25 years later, and WB made a very expensive movie that had an established content, very profitable films, and is starting slow. If Batman Begins is any indication, and Superman seems to be following that model, but we wont know since european release hasnt even happened yet, this movie will probably garner a sequel. And remember what happened to Star Trek--it spawned a sequel that spent its money far more wisely and turned out to be far more epic, better acted, and had a much better story than its predecessor.
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I said Superman Returns is ASS, and I'll say it again.
The movie was boring and maybe Superman himself is boring and to simple for these times when nothing is black & white anymore like it was in the past. And so maybe in making superman try to fit with the times and be an asshole from some reality TV show.
In the Superman movies I remember, he loved Lois so much he would turn back time and fight against everything even nature and god and time to bring her back. He became mortal just to be with her. Everyone says this is a love story and an homage to the Donner films when it is nothing like them save for the musical score. I call it like I see it and it is crap, to me anyway.
Mind you, there are varying degrees of crapiness for a movie. You have Hulk crap, Daredevil crap, X-men 3 crap, Van Helsing crap,etc,etc.
There are many redeeming qualities in each of those movies above that could be the character itself, the effects or what not, but it still remains crap.
Superman has redeeming qualities and I will not dispute that at all, but it's still not the superman movie I wanted to see. That movie would make me eagerly await a sequel. This one doesn't, in fact it didn't leave much of any impression realy, not bad enough to be crap crap and not good enough to be good. Just OK.
I don't care how much the movie makes, it could surpass all recrods and be a lame movie. Unless you are a fanatic fanboy for the franchise like the star wars prequals which were more or less crap as far as story is concerned(I could debate this but lets not and just say to yourself I am delusional), but thats what happens when you want to get some milk from the cash cow I suppose. -
movies in both style, tone, and story. The first was more plodding and cerebral; the sequel was basically a shoot-em up in outer space, w/ a different creative team behind it. I can see the same thing happening for any possible Superman sequel.
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cheers
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What point of yours is that? The one that is in Byan Singer's mouth or ass?
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yes, thats true, but in a series like star trek, there really isnt any need to have the same director/writer. We'll see what happens with Superman, but there's a good chance Singer will still be in charge. I'm quite sure, however, that WB will want assurances of more action, a shorter length, and more adherence to a budget. As long as I get a resolution (and a happy one at that) for Superman, Lois, and Jason, I'm not really caring very much. Pretty evil of me, huh? Anywho, orbots, have a good night.
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one man's shit is another man's treasure, and superman returns was my pot of gold. i have seen it 3 times and will see it again. and oh yeah, you are a tool.
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That anybody over 18 would NOT know what the hell Liar's Dice is. Thank GOD the movie didn't dumb it down any more than it did, for chrissakes. Other than that, have to agree with a lot of the complaints. Lacking in some charm, desperately in need of more real humor in place of some of the forced situational stuff, and needs some serious editing. Nobody complains that a movie is 'too long' if it's long because it has to be. There's an egregious amount of fat on this thing, which actually detracts from the character interaction that's sorely lacking in the first place. Add that to the plodding and forced basic PREMISE that's almost as painful at times as the dinner table scene in The Phantom Menace (you know the one...the one that agonizingly, cringingly tries to convince the audience that the only way for a couple of friggin' Jedi badasses to get the fuck off of dirt planet is to have them wager with some bloated bat-guy and have Little Jesus win a race in a souped up landspeeder he just happens to have laying around, but that the jedi will say is their pod...AAARGH!!), and you've got a very pretty, but barely cohesive mess on your hands. Never really engaging, but as also pointed out...it's half a movie. I'll check out the third, of course, but there's a lot of problems with this one.
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See, ST 1 was for the most part, pompous dreck. A passible movie on its own, but not as a ST movie. It still made money, though. Then the studio wised up and realized they could make even MORE money (oodles) by going back to the well, i.e. what made people like the show to begin with. Geniuses! Well, here's hoping they wise up with Superman Returns 2. It's called: fire Bryan Singer.
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This movie was great. I really liked it. Two Cory849 thumbs way up.
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If I am a tool, you are a blubbering vagina, moreso then Davey Jones even.
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No wonder you were reading so antagonistic and wacky. What happened to your old nickname? Were you banned or did you just get sick of being a running punchline? Dont worry--you'll always be moviemack to me. If it makes you feel better, John Galt joined your ranks in the superman talkback.
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No Moondoggystyle, I am not the droids you are looking for. I've been a lurker here for a while but never contributed in my colorful way. One day I was bored and spouting out vile filth in a pretentious maner to look intellectual while making a million mistakes gives me a hard on or so it seems, and I just couldn't stop myself. I wish I could give you a Pirates worthy surprise like Barbarosa and say I'm Kevin Smith. So just for you I will say Superman is "Asstomouth" just so you can be happy and have your plot twist.
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The only reason I asked was because baltimore kept calling you moviemack and you never seemed to argue the point. Sorry.
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No problem at all 'ol chap. Just remember, posting on the internet means never having to say your sorry.
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Not that I think this post will better anyone's life, but I saw it today. I liked parts and and disliked parts. I liked the pathos in sections, and some of the action. I did not like contrived, drawn out action sequences such as swordsplay on the mill wheel which became swordsplay on the beach.I also did not like Jack Sparrow knocking the head off an undead sailor with a coconut. And Elizabeth stabbing two at once with her swords, because stuff like that makes Jones's crew seem less menacing. And the barroom brawl that broke out because of some pathetic reason. And Jack tied to the rod. And the stupid sailors Elizabeth tricked by being a puppeteer with her wedding dress. But I still liked parts. I guess I have mixed feelings about it.
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For all you with your head up your ass, this is the POTC talkback. If you don't want to talk about it (the biggest movie of the year, incedentally) get the fuck out. And for the record. Batman Begins made a sizable profit, earning 50+ million more than it cost. Batman 89 was HUGELY profitable, it cost 35M and made $250M+. Hannibal made a little more than Silence of the Lambs, but cost four times as much to make (SotL only cost $9M). And yes, studios view movies as successful if they make a profit, the only exception is oscar winners, and that's only when the movie is VERY cheap to make - a small price to pay for some respect for the studio. And I can't help but correct this: "it's gauged by the profit versus the budget." Profit is *defined* by the gross minus the costs. The total amount of money a film makes is the *gross*. The profit is gross minus costs.
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That's why Supes Return is still been brought up.
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Does anyone really consider this worthy of the literally phenomenal box office grosses it made?(For those who've not heard,its three-day gross was 135 million or so,new highest weekend gross ever)First one was ok-Johnny Depp's creation being the main attraction,for sure-but it never clicked with me as being anything more than your average summer Bruckheimer flick.
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Sure, it's worth discussing...but not here. No point in being off topic, might as well use the TB's to exchange muffin recipies.
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1) My gripe with the cannibal rescue is linked with the length of the film. POTC2 was not as compelling as POTC1 and therefore it felt much longer. Most if not all of the cannibal rescue could have been cut with virtually no impact to the principal story. Will Turner actual found Jack quickly. The lengthy part was extracting him and the crew from the island. There were a few good slap-stick moments but the whole sequence did little to advance the plot and in my view was quite expendable. 2) Barbossa was a great multifaceted villain because he was both evil and tragic. Geoffrey Rush
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Jul 11, 2006 7:27:33 AM CDT
Empire, OK...but DMC is clearly TRANSFORMERS: The Movie
by dr_terwilliker
The parallels are too numerous to mention.
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East India Trading Company=Quentessons. The Kraken=Unicron. Barbossa=Galvatron. Davy Jones' heart=The Matrix of Leadership. Will=Hot Rod. Elizabeth=Arcee. Norrington=Starscream. The Black Pearl=The Ark. Tortuga=Cybertron See? See? Top that if you can... No need to reach for alleged similarities to ESB...
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"The Piratical Union Army... BAWWWK! Is At Your Disposal, Cap'n. Bring in the Sails!" "Mostly we figure... that means yes."
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Jul 11, 2006 8:37:30 AM CDT
"somehow becomes Lord of 7 Seas.NO LOGIC to his origin"
by dr_terwilliker
Um... Haven't you people ever heard of the legend of Davey Jones BEFORE???? Ignorant people...I weep when I realize that an entire voting public is too young/overstimulated/uneducated to know what the Soviet Union was, much less tales of the high seas that were a staple of MONKEY ISLAND fer chrissake.
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Jul 11, 2006 9:15:28 AM CDT
my $8 back to go see Superman Returns-best film of 2006
by dr_terwilliker
Am i seeing a pattern with the negative reviews for POTC 2, a movie that had nothing to do with Superman? Y'know, Warners has a deep marketing budget for this sort of stuff. No need to fake it either... it's a text medium so no acting skills required. No offense (well, OK, offense taken at the ridiculous self-serving thread-hijacking to promote a competing movie in a totally different genre) and can I only add that POTC is topped by only one movie in the past decade... the smash comedy hit JINGLE ALL THE WAY!
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deep into the origin of Davy Jones, for those of you complaining about his lack of background in DMC.
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"Regardless of whether it is the first half of a two part story or not, this particular 2.5 hours in the theater had no resolution. I left the theater unsatisfied. I am judging POTC2 on POTC2, not what POTC3 might be" I have to say I disagree with this statement. Because it is so obviously only part of a story, I think that has to factor into it's assessment in terms of critiquing it based on the idea of "resolution". I was satisfied with the film in the way that I enjoyed it and want to see how it ends. I don't need immediate resolution as long as it comes eventually, which I think it will
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