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Bana No Longer "Incredible" HULK!! No Vin For SILVER SURFER!!


Merrick here...


Tim Story, director of FANTASTIC FOUR (who is returning for the franchise's second installment...identified in recent licensing show material as FANTASTIC FOUR AND THE SILVER SURFER) has denied recurring Internet rumors that Vin Diesel will portray Silver Surfer in the new movie. These rumors were exaserbated by Diesel's recent, unexplained departure from BLACK WATER TRANSIT.

Speaking with Moviehole, Story implies that Silver Surfer will be realized using newly-developed CGI techniques.

This will, I'm sure, look great. The FX in the first film were so staggeringly perfect (sarcasm), I'm sure this CGI Surfer won't have any resemblance to an arthritc, animatronic, foil-covered mannequin (which would be the same thing as using Vin, no? And the FX are probably more costly...)

You can read the original article HERE!



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Cinescape is reporting that Eric Bana will not return for the new HULK film project. This was widely conjectured after Avi Arad's announcement that the film...now called THE INCREDIBLE HULK...would be a remake rather an a continuation. Although...the story claims the film's exodus from Universal (with whom Bana had his contract) is to blame for the recasting.

The article indicates that Brendan Fraser is one of the names being bandied about to replace Bana. Ther are about ten million things wrong with this notion...and I could write about them all day...but it's the 4th of July and I don't want to be too depressed.

You can read the original Cinescape article HERE.



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  • July 4, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    good

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Get somebody more wimpy lookin'

  • July 4, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Hulk

    by Darth Busey

    How about Neil Patrick Harris as Bruce Banner?

  • July 4, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Not first

    by Red Diver

    Why not just get Steve Buscemi since he was the model Banner was made from in the Ultimates comic?

  • July 4, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Just make the Silver Surfer look like the T-1000

    by rev_skarekroe

    How hard is that?

  • July 4, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    silver surfer

    by feebster69

    keanu reeves should be the silver surfer. in his own film (not in the fantastic four sequel). and it should be dead trippy.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Hulk Hogan, then

    by CuervoJones

  • July 4, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Bruce Banner- Loren Dean

    by Logo Lou

    C'mon.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST

    staggeringly perfect?

    by darquelyte

    I'm going out on a limb and hope that was meant to be tongue in cheek. One could only hope. Bana was a poor choice from the start, as was Ang Lee. I hated it when it came out, but I generally watch it when it's on tv...but only from the first Hulk up moment until lwhen he's calmed down on the street. The part where the old guy went Hulky was the worst part of the flick. FF4 wasn't as terrible as most thought, although it really should have been much better. Making Doom into the Animated Superman version of Lex Luthor was misguided at best. Hopefully the sequel will improve the way X2 improved over X-Men. Regardless, Spiderman 3 will OWN all superhero movies...until Batman: Year 2 (one can hope for a title like that can't he?)

  • July 4, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I was one of the few people who actually liked Hulk

    by Lando Griffin

    so this news pisses me off. A remake after what three years? New actor? Terrible across the board. I could understand if they wanted to make a sequels that vaguely hinted at the first film and was more action than drama heavy but I absolutely loathe when a main character is recast. Who can you get better than Bana? Might as well make this straight to dvd. **** As for Fantastic Four, this news does nothing for me. Totally indifferent to the first one. I don't have the rabid fanboy hatred for it because it was not the travesty the haters claimed it to be, it was simply mediocre.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Hulk was my favourite comic superhero transition yet

    by Trevor Goodchild

    How about Jake Webber next?

  • July 4, 2006, 11:54 a.m. CST

    anyone watching the space launch at 2:37?

    by jig98

    yes? no? ok, well, yeah, this comes to no surprise to me. eric bana kinda sucked as bruce banner and the hulk charector ruled all unholy traces of hell. so if they get george of the jungle or some other untalented douche to play the not so jolly green giant in the next unnecessary hulk movie, then in the words of kevin spacey in the greatest movie i've ever seen in my life yesterday, "bring it on!"

  • July 4, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Alessandro Nivola or Jake Webber

    by Trevor Goodchild

    And Johnny Knoxville as plastic man and Justin Theroux as Joker

  • July 4, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Puny Banner!!!

    by ZeroCorpse

    Why is it no casting director can figure this phrase out? PUNY BANNER doesn't mean "Cast a big, hunky guy as Bruce Banner." ---- The whole point of the Hulk is the brainy Dr. Jeckyl versus the monstrous Mr. Hyde. If you take away the meek, weak stature of Dr. Banner then it makes the transformation into the Hulk less dramatic or important. It goes from being Dr. Jeckyl-Mr. Hyde to Dr. Jocko-Mr. Bigger Jocko. ---- Brendan Fraser can play weak, but he's still big and hunky. I say go with Buscemi, or someone Buscemi-like. Neil Patrick Harris is a good choice. I'd have said Tobey before, but he's Pete Parker now. Banner should be small, weak, and brainy (and perhaps even a little screwed up), while the Hulk should be huge and NOT have that whole "King Kong/Frankenstein's Monster" thing where he kidnaps Betty and airplanes attack him. The Incredible Hulk is a retelling of Jeckyl/Hyde, not Frankenstein, and that was what was wrong with Ang Lee's version (Ang Lee, not John Woo, although I still say they'd have been identical movies either way)... And for the villain, let us please stop pussyfooting around!!! Give us someone super-powered, so we can have an epic battle that levels a few cities. Humans and their tanks and guns should not be a factor... We need the Abomination, or The Leader, or even Doc Sampson as the good guy to Hulk's rampaging beast. Someone who can go toe-to-toe with the big guy for a while... Make a proper Absorbing Man, fergoshsakes! Just don't give me some psychological mumbo-jumbo, and make the Hulk's enemies his daddy and some gamma-radiated dogs. Yeesh!

  • July 4, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST

    The perfect Bruce Banner...

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    would be Johnny Depp.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST

    so staggeringly perfect?!?

    by Daft_Wully

    Hey! The effects in FF4 were good, but perfect? I don't think I'd go that far. I agree Bana's performance was wooden at the beginning of Hulk, but he warmed up to me as the film progressed. I still don't understand why Hulk is on so many people's hate lists. I thought the story was good, the effects great and the editting was unique. I'm not saying it was a perfect movie, either, but I really liked the approach on this one. I've re-watched it several times, and there are probably future viewings, too.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Didn't this site start the Diesel rumour?

    by Lone Fox

    Oh, he's bald, he's the Silver Surfer. Fucks sake.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    DAFT-WULLY

    by Joseph Merrick

    I was being sarcastic.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Error in article...

    by brycemonkey

    "Tim Story, director of FANTASTIC FOUR" should read "Jim Hack Story Hack, director of FANTASTIC FOUR" Just FYI ;-) Personally I'm not that bothered as I don't think Vin fits (just because he looks good bald doesn't mean you should cast him).

  • July 4, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    'Tis true indeed...

    by Quintus_Arrius

    .... for Depp would be an inspired choice! Hail Arrius!

  • July 4, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I also agree Hulk Hogan is perfect for The Hulk

    by brycemonkey

    Brother!

  • July 4, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    David Duchovn y

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    But i imagine he's eager to avoid such roles.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Woody Allen should play Silver Surfer...

    by Angry Mean Panda

    Only he can truly capture the cosmic angst of Norrin Radd. Also, Christopher Walken for Galactus. "I...am here...to eat...Earth!

  • July 4, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Making a more-mainstream-Hulk is okay but without Bana?

    by DerLanghaarige

    I love Ang Lee'S Version, but I agree that it is a different take on the material, that defintiley won't appeal to everyone, but changing the actor is so wrong!!! (Especially when they replace him with Fraser! I like Brendan Fraser, but this is not his role!)

  • July 4, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Well....damn.

    by RobinP

    First of all...no Vin-Man for the Surfer. SHIT !!! That would've worked. Pleasepleaseplease....NO Keanu !! Okay ? Second...um...REMAKING The Hulk ?? Uh - I thought they were remaking stuff like The Poseidon Adventure a little early (any remake of a film that was originally made within my lifespan seems a little early to me, but remake a two year old movie and you're seriously fucked up. Sequel, Avi...SEQUEL. And NOT with Brendan Fraser.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    About the Silver Surfer:

    by DerLanghaarige

    Well, because the first FF movie was suge a huge hit, they will probably give it a bigger budget and so the Silver Surfer might look good, but the film is supposed to come out next year, so they just have a few months to make it look right!

  • July 4, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four was pretty good

    by spider-ham

    Sorry if that goes against the AICN brain trust but it was pretty good for what it was suppose to be. A family friendly super hero pic. I'm sure FF2 will be pretty good as well. As for the Hulk... I thought Bana was great but the entire movie was amazingly dull. I wanted "Hulk Smash" not "Hulk all emo because daddy didn't love him." Even if Bana was available, I can see why Marvel wants to distance themselve from it. Brendan Fraser? He should of been superman. I guess I would be ok with him as Banner. He is a good actor and he could work but I rather spend their money of SFX and just cast an unknown for Banner. He doesn't even have to be a good actor since we don't want to see much screen time with Banner anyways.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Why the eff are they doing a Hulk remake?

    by dr_buggerlugs

    I quite enjoyed the first film and it was a flawed but fascinating attempt by a very serious filmmaker at a summer blockbuster...and a comic adaptation no less. Do we really need to see Banner become The Hulk for the first time again? We know the origin, we know how he becomes Hulk, just tell a fresh story without having to waste 40 minutes on another origin. Just use the first film as a vague history and don't have the need to treat audiences like idiots by remaking a film that's barely 3 years old.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Leave Hulk alone for the next 10 years...

    by Napolean Solo

    Because you cannot remake something that just came out. You have to let the recent memory die in the coolective conscious of the public (mine included).

  • July 4, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Fraser...

    by emeraldboy

    Where has he been? He was in crash. I think fraser is a good actor. he can do comedy just as well as serious work. He was seriously restrained in the utter abherration Looney tunes back in Action with Jenna"aids does not exist" elfman and steve"i used to be funny"martin.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:33 p.m. CST

    RE: Just make the Silver Surfer look like the T-1000

    by Talos4

    Yes! This is what they should do. Great idea. The problem is, of course, they won't do this, and find SOME way of screwing this up. No one knows better how to screw up a movie than the stuffed shirt executives in Hollywood. They pick the wrong producers, who then pick the wrong directors, who then get the wrong actors, and so on. The first FF movie was awfully contrived, poorly written, and poorly cast. Jessica Alba as Sue Storm? Ugh. Let me make the movie, and I'll do a much better job than what those buffoons and morons can do. If you can get the RIGHT people who KNOW what they are doing, it is only then can you make a great movie.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    As Much As Geeks Love These Comic Heroes

    by flamingrunt

    The movie bosses need to realise there are characters out there who the general public couldnt give a shit about. Hulk and Daredevil are just 2. Xmen, spiderman, superman and batman work because they immediately connect with kids. But who wants to be a giant green angry monster or a blind dude. Not every comic book character should be made into a movie. And the sooner they realise this the more likely theyre going to quit making crap films

  • July 4, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    first... Billy Zane for Surfer, fuckfaces.

    by HypeEndsHere

    secondly, you do realize this new Hulk film is just a pilot for the new Hulk TV series to air on UPN don't you? remember Robocop 3? no? well, I do. different actor and he flew.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Keannu as the Surfer

    by Curious Jorge

    that would be my pick.

  • July 4, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Bring back Ang Lee for Hulk sequel

    by Curious Jorge

    He could call it, "Brokeback Hulk"; the Abomination says to Hulk, "I don't know how to quit you!"

  • July 4, 2006, 12:59 p.m. CST

    It better have...

    by Giz

    ...Titties ALBA TITTIES! NATCH!

  • July 4, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Paul Giamatti for Bruce Banner

    by Rinse

    :D

  • July 4, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Great, now Tim Story gets to rape two

    by Gwai Lo

    of my favorite Marvel characters. First Dr. Doom and now Silver Surfer. Just fucking great.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Too soon to remake?

    by tHEmOOG

    You forgot this country has short term memory. Look how quickly people forgot about 911. How quickly they took their flags off their car windows. It is definitaley not to soon to remake that peice of shit HULK. I just hope they get eyes right this time.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:12 p.m. CST

    JESSICA ALBA

    by SeedyAl

    All I ask for the next FF is to see more of Jessica Alba in that skintight suit. That magic ass can carry the whole movie for me.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Something to think on...

    by Grendel_01

    How about Gunther Schlierkamp (sp) for Doc Samson? To portray him before the accident that made him a superpowered hippie, put his head on a smaller body, ala' "Little Man". It's not like he hasn't had a little experience playing a Marvel hero...he was Thor in a credit card commercial.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST

    FANS DEMAND DUCHOVNY!

    by Funk4America

    Larry Sanders fans anyway

  • July 4, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy: Where Fraiser has been:

    by spider-ham

    Brendan Fraiser signed a contracted with Warners that basically ruined his career. They brought him in from Universal for a four movie 6 year exclusive deal in order to secure him for Superman. When they decide to not use him in Superman and Loony Tunes BIA bombed, they decided to not use him in anything and he's been stuck for the past 4 years. Unable to go to another studio to play lead. All he could do is minor parts in independant films (duch as Crash). Sure he got paid a large fee but his career was taking off and he hasn't been in any role of any significants since The Quiet American in 2001.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Why does Marvel flush their titles down the drain?

    by falawful-314

    Seriously, what's the deal? I'll admit I don't have even a sliver of "insider knowledge" as to how these comic giants make their decisions, but look at DC: Okay, so the new Superman and Batman films have their critics ... (gee, a movie that not EVERYONE likes, who'd a thunk it?) but it should be obvious to all that at least DC has the integrity to hand their titles off to reliable directors and STAND BY THEM! By contrast, it looks like Marvel got spooked by Ang Lee's vision (which personally I find to be one of the most re-watchable of all comic book movies I'd ever seen, short of "The Incredibles") and in response, they're going the "dime a dozen" route and throwing out their titles like so much manure. It's all "direct-to-DVD" quality shit with big budgets and studio-backing to guarantee an undeserved theater release. Granted, DC has the easier route - who really gives two shits for any given DC storyline? We love the characters, so it's easier to cut-and-paste them into interesting storylines without fanboys bitching about continuity. Marvel, on the other hand, is a house BUILT on storyline continuity ... when you do the Phoenix Saga, you'd better fucking DO the Phoenix Saga and not the watered-down bile that Ratner threw up on screen like a fucking scab. And if they're going to do the Silver Surfer, they better fucking ... oh, who am I kidding? HERE COMES ANOTHER SHORT-ATTENTION-SPAN FIASCO, bound to clock it at around 1:20, with about a dozen snappy catch-phrases, zero character development, and not a second to spare between the "WOWEE-BLAMMO!" ultra-fun-fun-fun action scenes .... Sign ...

  • July 4, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Their first big mistake Brendan Fraser

    by Norm3

    Banner is a puny little human scientist that the Hulk hates, not a 6ft2" jock type like Fraser. I love the idea of a remake but atleast make it with the right casting choice.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    DON'T REMAKE THE HULK!!!!!!!!

    by Freakemovie

    Are they stupid?

  • July 4, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by tychonotgabe87

    I love Ang Lee's Hulk. I defend it everywhere i go. Goddam Lee for making a dramatic piece out of a comic book. While still making it look the most 'comic' like of any comic book movie, with the beautiful color, stills and framing. Plus im pretty sure he had something to do with getting Jennifer Connelly in the movie. This new news is shameful.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four sucked donkey balls.

    by simongarth2001

    I waited all my life for a great Fantastic Four film...I would have been better off waiting for hades to freeze over. They rushed it, and it showed. They screwed up comics greatest villian, and made him into a Trump wannabe. The Story sucked, the editing was WAY too fast paced. I could easily go on and on......but I don't want to depress myself. Why should I hope for anything more, but the same for the second installment? Just because it made money, doesn't mean it was a good film. The best "team" superhero stuff is still the Justice League cartoon. Marvel is not capable of getting it right, exept for Spider-man....which in itself, still isn't perfect, but entertaining for a 40 year old comic fan such as myself.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The Hulk won't be a remake.

    by Edward_nygma

    It just wont. Arad talks shit.

  • July 4, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Jim Carrey as the Hulk

    by cerebulon

    Hilarity ensues!

  • July 4, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Hmmm.. how bout' Jessica Alba does a lesbian porno?

    by Forestal

  • July 4, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Man in Suit

    by Fernwick_

    Ok, all i have to say. CGI Hulk is good, man in suit bad. Thing in suit sucks, CGI thing would rock, ok, in the original FF4 thing wasnt so big to start with, but he kept mutating. So I can forgive, just have him mutate larger, and boom problem solved. Honesty I think Sue Storm should be Elisha Cuthbert, oh man, but as long as Alba is in more skin tight suits with lots of good angles, again, I can forgive, but I cant forgive, Tim Robbins SHOULD have been Reed Richards. THAT would rock, dont redo Hulk, redo FF4 if anything, look at the Punisher, Marvel can and will redo a film. Fernwick www.theidiottestament.com

  • July 4, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Ya know, Edward you do have a point

    by Lando Griffin

    a lot of time the shit Arad says never comes to fruition. But stil whenever he utters some disappointing news it still makes all of us cringe

  • July 4, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Spider-ham

    by Pdid

    Damn, was The Quiet American really back in 2001? It was a good movie. Its too bad Frasier got screwed by the Superman clusterfuck that went on for quite a long time before they got thier shit together. I always liked when he guest-starred on Scrubs though, the episode when he died is one of my favorites

  • July 4, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    I like Eric Bana a lot. Fine actor.

    by superninja

    However, he is not needed for the Hulk. Waste of his talents. As for CGI Surfer- blech! The Surfer has to be able to express love for his character's arc to have any meaning in the context of this story. That's just not possible with CGI.

  • July 4, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Fernwick_

    Ok, am I nuts, or is Keanu Reeves PERFECT for the Silver Surfer, not big on emotion, look at the Matrix and it would be easy to adapt his face to the CGI, just like him in a suit with a GCI makeover. Imagine him with no hair, and solid siver eyes, and that angry scowl he has. PERFECT in my opinion. Fernwick www.theidiottestament.com

  • July 4, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Fernwick_

    Ok, am I nuts, or is Keanu Reeves PERFECT for the Silver Surfer, not big on emotion, look at the Matrix and it would be easy to adapt his face to the CGI, just like him in a suit with a GCI makeover. Imagine him with no hair, and solid siver eyes, and that angry scowl he has. PERFECT in my opinion. Fernwick www.theidiottestament.com

  • July 4, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I did love hulk, tolerated FF...

    by xenaman

    But brendan fraser?!?!?! God, please no

  • July 4, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Nor is Keanu Reeves as Surfer, since that is

    by superninja

    the same thing as using CGI or a robot. Surfer needs to be a really talented actor or it's pointless. Rufus Sewell LOOKS like Norrin Radd. But unfortunately, he's too old. The Surfer is kind of a dramatic, wierd guy. They need an actor who is handsome, but odd looking at the same time. He's doesn't have to be a huge fellow, either. What they need is an odd duck like Cillian Murphy or Jonathan Rhys Meyers.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Keanu isn't horrible or anything. I just think

    by superninja

    he would be lackluster. As an actor, he brings nothing to the table. He poses and looks pretty. Sometimes, he can even be like a black hole, sucking all of the life from a film. He was fine for that Matrix nonsense, but not for the Surfer.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Dont remake the hulk.

    by Reelheed

    please. the last effort was fine. just move the story along.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    The hulk....

    by emeraldboy

    There are three possibilities for the role of Banner. you have possibly all heard of them because they all starred in Brokeback LOTR. If the lost writers decided to kill of Domininic monaghan, he is one candidate. 2, if they can find where the hell billy boyd or his career and finally Elijah Wood. Regarding Brendan fraser. I wonder Did night read his new contract with warners bros after ruined the career of brendan fraser. Even though M night made Unbreakable, you should at least have a go at a proper comic book film. He would be perfect for the Hulk movie , think about it. He at least would put back into the movie what they had in the tv series that whole frankenstein jekyll and hyde twist. That is what the hulk was all about. It wasnt about his inner child . Once I thought about all this i couldnt stop laughingfor some reason. or Sean Astin. If they give it to astin they might get another wah wah no one respect me or talent book.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Jeremy "I am not Henry Thomas" Davies for new Banner

    by Declan_Swartz

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001111/

  • July 4, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST

    I disagree, tHEmOOG. we haven't forgotten 9/11.

    by HypeEndsHere

    just today I've seen more flags out hanging than I have all year.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    How about Elijah Wood?

    by chrth

    And Keanu makes any movie great, but I don't see him as Silver Surfer. ... Finally, I liked FF, I don't know why everyone takes it so seriously. It was a fun flick.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Duchovny, No Way!

    by Norm3

    He's a shitty actor. I can't believe anyone would want him as Banner.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hype: Nice. LOL

    by chrth

  • July 4, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    it's "exacerbated" with a "c"...

    by mocky_puppet

    ...and it will make you go blind.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    my choice for Banner

    by Varakor

    Peter Weller of Robocop fame. Dude was great as the metallic cop, I think he would make a great David Banner too. Or Julian Sands from Warlock film back in the 80's. Chop his locks off and give him some glasses, bingo! instant nerd/ menacing beast.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Dream Cast

    by Fernwick_

    Reed: Tim Robbins Sue: Elisha Cuthbert The Thing: the shield guy :) Torch: Im ok with him too. Its just Reed and Sue that bug me. I think Keanu would be great, but the whole man in suit thing really bugged me, i am dead serious when I say, go back, watch it again, and The Thing is the same size as Sue Storm.. that REALLY irritated me. Fernwick www.theidiottestament.com

  • July 4, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four is a good movie

    by superninja

    from a characterization standpoint. The story is boring, though, and Doom's treatment is abysmal. Hopefully they will take more risks with the story in FF2 - they are supposed to be fantastic, after all. However, I absolutely love the 4 cast, including Alba, and man-in-suit Chiklis who is perfect casting and has great chemistry with Chris Evans. If you listen to Chiklis on the DVD, you can tell he loves working with that guy. They could make a Ben/Johnny film and I'd be there. Or, a Spidey/Johnny film.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Chiklis!

    by Fernwick_

    Thats his name yeah, I liked him a lot, i agree, Doom one of Marvels best villians just wasnt done right, I mean it was fun, but come on now, you all agree that it just wasnt "right". It was off, I think it was Reed, DOOM, and that goofy suit. I recall watching them walking side by side, and my friend says to me, Damn Alba must be tall, to be as big as the Thing, I just shook my head. Fernwick

  • July 4, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Ron Jeremy

    by godoffireinhell

    Ron Jeremy as Banner AND Silver Surfer!

  • July 4, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Gross

    by Fernwick_

    Lemme guess, next joke is, he wont need a surf board....ugh.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Alba captured Sue's sweetness perfectly.

    by superninja

    So what if her hair is the wrong color? She's beautiful and has all of the qualities of the comic book character. Gruffudd does need to step it up a bit, though. That guy never has energy in any of the films I've seen him in. How do you make Sir Launcelot boring? Gruffudd knows. It kind of goes with Reed's personality, but at the same time, there are ways to make the character more interesting which is kind of an actor's job. Maybe he will get more of a chance in FF2, though, because he was written like a wet blanket in FF1.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Ben Assfleck for Bruce Banner, Michael Duncan for Hulk!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Okay, seriously, just the second one. Duncan for Hulk! Just to piss off all the morons that didn't like "Daredevil".

  • July 4, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone like Alba? She's just your typical...

    by Warcraft

    ghetto latina. I can look outside the window in my apt complex and see equal/better looking ghetto girls. There is NOTHING special about Jessica Alba. She looks average and her acting is on par with her looks. God, I hate it when hollywood glorifies these generic looking ghetto girls (I'm looking at you too, Jennifer Lopez).

  • July 4, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Hulk "sequel" will be a low-budget piece of crap

    by Rupee88

    They won't put much money into this and still make a profit by selling DVDs to the fanboy drones and selling lots more Hulk toys. There's now way this will be good. And the FF sequel will be about as good as the first one...that says it all.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    The portrayal of Doom? Unforgiveable! I wish Dr. Doom

    by superninja

    was real -- the filmmakers would be on their knees begging for Doom's mercy. Yeah, Victor Von Doom is a metrosexual New Yorker as menacing as Martha Stewart. When I think about this, snipers come to mind. However, this is Marvel's OWN fault, really, because they wussed up Doom in the comic reimagining, to make the FF origin more "realistic". Dr. Doom - Sue's boyfriend.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    warcraft

    by Fernwick_

    Ok, thats the sort of thing that makes one sound racist. See, I dont recall a movie where Alba acts like a "ghetto" girl, and funny the only other "ghetto" girl you mention is hispanic. So, what is your definition of a ghetto girl then? Because so far talking smack about 2 hispanic actresses will get you no respect. Fernwick

  • July 4, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba is very likeable and sweet.

    by superninja

    In that girl next door kind of way. She does not seem ghetto to me. And please, J-Lo is not ghetto. That's called marketing.

  • July 4, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Anyway, why remake GOOD superhero movies like Hulk?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Why not remake BAD ones, like, say, Superman Returns?

  • July 4, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    "So what if her hair is the wrong color?"

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Alba was blonde in that movie. That is Sue Storm's hair color.

  • July 4, 2006, 3 p.m. CST

    Fantastic 4 was awful.

    by fortheloveofgod

    And Silver Surfer is a really boring character. He has a surfboard and is silver, and thats it.

  • July 4, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    WTF... it's like they're TRYING to ruin the movies!

    by MarkoOhNo

    Brendan Fraser?!?! HULK?!? Oh HELL no!! What, are they trying to make it into a weak comedy now?! They&#39;d have to rename it The Unwatchable Hulk! How much you wanna bet they cast Pauly Shore or Carrottop as the villain. =P<BR> HULK was good, but a little disappointing. As it was said above, they needed a lil more "Hulk smash" in it, but it was still good.<BR><BR> At least Superman Returns helped renew my faith that there are still some moviemakers out there wanting to make a GOOD superhero flick. I, and everyone else I know who&#39;s seen the movie, can&#39;t stop raving about how good it is. I find it bizarre that there&#39;s even this little minority of people out there who could even find anything in it to complain about. Weird.<BR><BR> As for Fantastic Four meets Silver Surfer or whatever... Idno. I don&#39;t know enough about Silver Surfer to care much, so at least I won&#39;t be disappointed. lol I WAS horribly disappointed by FF, tho. Alba rocks & is freakin hot, but she&#39;s too exotic to pass as Sue Storm. (The blonde hair worked for her in Sin City, tho.) And there was only like one 5-minute long action scene. Chiklis completely saved the movie, but they horribly mangled The Thing&#39;s appearance. He should&#39;ve looked like a massive, menacing rock monster. Instead he looked like someone wearing a foam suit designed to look like a burn victim. The non-CGI quality gave me flashbacks of the old TMNT movies. They seriously needed to apply some 3D. FF needs to be completely retooled with the exception of the casting of Chiklis, and the quality of what little CGI they used... just more of both, next time.

  • July 4, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Marvel has to get it right

    by filmfanatic1

    Marvel has to be careful of their characters; we could have another repeat of those awful made for tv flicks (Capt. America, for one) in the 70&#39;s; I just hope they hire directors besides Tim Story and go for someone like Sam Raimi.

  • July 4, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    "...just your typical ghetto latina"

    by Freakemovie

    aaaaand the talkbacks reach a new low.

  • July 4, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Casting Complaints

    by MarkoOhNo

    What WORKS is when they cast either some unknown, someone relatively unknown, or an amazing talent who you just completely couldn&#39;t have imagined before in the role but who completely makes it their own. At least one example of each: Bana as Hulk/Jackman as Wolverine/Routh as Superman, Maguire as Spiderman, and Michael Keaton as Batman. Clearly, from sheer numbers, you get more success from casting unknowns. When you start putting all-star casts in superhero flicks, or focus on appearances, you get Batman & Robin and lines like, "You need to chill, Batcicle!" lol But apparently that&#39;s what Hollywood thinks we want.

  • July 4, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Oh, you were being sarcastic...

    by Daft_Wully

    You know, Merrick, sometimes I surprise my own self with the level of stupidity I fly at. Of course you were being sarcastic, and I&#39;m glad that you&#39;ve now added (sarcasm) beside that sentence so that others won&#39;t fall into your sly trap. Here&#39;s one for you: If they wasted so much time, money and effort to get Marlon Brando into the new Superman movie, why not use the same technique with Telly Savalas where the Silver Surfer is concerned? Eh? Think about it...

  • July 4, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    I thought they were doing a Silver Surfer movie....

    by bigbadbua

    and The Rock was playing the part? If so, wouldn&#39;t he do this as well? Maybe I read some old article wrong, but I thought that this was the case.

  • July 4, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Hulk was perfect.

    by Ben Hawkins

    No Ang Lee and Bana = another shitty comic book movie like FF, Punisher, etc... Remake X-men, Punisher, Fantastic Four and Daredevil instead. Spider-Man 1&2, X2, and Hulk are the only good Marvel movies.

  • July 4, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Actually,

    by OBSD

    As much as I hated the remake of Bedazzled, Brendan Fraiser plays a pretty convincing weinie. He could pull it off.

  • July 4, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Keanu Reeves?

    by ByTor

    You can&#39;t be serious. Keanu Reeves isn&#39;t perfect to play anything. You could multiply his acting ability by a hundred and still not even reach Patrick Swayze levels.

  • July 4, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Oh, and the perfect Bruce Banner?

    by ByTor

    Hugh Laurie. You can thank me now.

  • July 4, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Hollywood

    by NoteTheTrees

    Fuckin&#39; geniuses! If a movie tanks once, it sure won&#39;t tank again, right? Why the fuck not remake a movie that&#39;s only three years old? Maybe, just maybe, it&#39;s the fucking character that sucks? But, no, that&#39;s not possible! Lee&#39;s Hulk seemed like the best that could be done with a radioactive green CGI monster in purple pants. But it isn&#39;t, cuz Tim Story - or maybe even Rob Bowman - haven&#39;t had their chance! And logic be damned, Hollywood&#39;s going to make yet another film about such an interesting character, Silver Surfer. But it&#39;s going to be directed by the guy who did Fantastic Four! How could this not rock!? Oh, wait, but there&#39;s new CGI to be used, too! That&#39;ll surely make it cool! Cast people from TV, too! And be sure to spend lots of money on it, too! Just like they did on Superman Returns. And Superman Returns is sure to make the $1.5 billion Warners is hoping for! And if Superman Returns tanks, you can always remake it, too! But with better CGI, casting and an even bigger budget - and only a few years from now! Yay! Hooray for anarchy!

  • July 4, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I forget another awesome suggestion:

    by NoteTheTrees

    Lee Tamahori! Let him use his geniusness and prodigity to make a Marvel movie! Fuck yeah!

  • July 4, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST

    David Hyde Pierce as Bruce Banner

    by thedarklinglord

    You want weak and scrawny, there you go!

  • July 4, 2006, 4:45 p.m. CST

    No Vin Diesel? Awww!!!

    by pokadoo

    Now they&#39;re gonna have to settle for Owen Wilson, as the Silver Surfer. By the way, what&#39;s the new background supposed to be? It looks like one of those ink-blots that they use to test crazy people. Sometimes i think that&#39;s the true purpose of this site!

  • July 4, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Great news!

    by Zorak5

    Getting rid of Eric Bana and recasting the Hulk is great news! Bana was SORELY miscast as Banner. I hope they get someone right for the role this time.

  • July 4, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST

    My casting choices would be...

    by KMaguire

    Michael Keaton as Bruce Banner (brilliant, short-tempered, and slight-of-physique) and Cillian Murphy as the Silver Surfer

  • July 4, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    The Silver Surfer has to be the easiest CGI creation

    by DOGSOUP

    Silver guy. Hell I can do that.

  • July 4, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    you know this site is amazing,

    by emeraldboy

    I have read numerous books on film down the years and one of my favs is the harry endorsed the greatest movies never made. Which you all should buy. of the 19 films listed which are the following stars my destination, childhoods end. Star trek planet of the titans. Night Skies. The tourist. dune. Ronnie Rocket. t3, spiderman and avatar. fantastic four. sliver surfer. Superman lives. Six trillion dollar man. Hitchhikers. thunderbirds. Island of Dr. Moreau. watchmen. The point i am aking here is that nearly all of these films have been made and are in production or have been made already. Some will never be made like destination my stars, t3, superman, hitchikers, the fantastic four, I am legend(with smith and Depp) has gone into production already. Films like the above take time to make. Superman Returns has just been released to mixed reviews, the same goes for fantastic four, thunderbirds, well dont waste your time with that rubbish, hitchikers was a british made film for british audience and the US audience failed to get the joke. Silver surfer looks likely to be a character in a film rather than actually star in one or who knows. Spiderman, we all know that that became a raimi film and thank god for that, t3 was a fun addition to that franchise, even if Cameron had nothing to do with it and we will see his comeback films will be. come back films. What you havent heard. Camerom has decided that his next films, battle angel alita, will be a three cyle film. great Movies are a bit like buses. one doesnt arrive for ages three or four come along at once. Big jim was seriously impressed with POTC and that cemented his decision to film battle angel as a trilogy.

  • July 4, 2006, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Fuck Silver Surfer. Edward James Olmos Is the MAN!!!!

    by TheDohDoh

    Saw this on Fark today: Edward James Olmos told the makers of the Miami Vice movie to fuck off by sending them a VHS with, get this shit, him staring into a camera for 20 straight minutes in disgust. People, this is the stuff of Hollywood legends. Long live Pineapple Face!!! Here the links to Fark and Ignore Magazine (who posted it too) for you snoozers: http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2152415&backwards=1&ok=1 http://www.ignoremagazine.com/features/vicecity/index.html http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/miami-vice-boycott-in-miami/

  • July 4, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST

    ghost rider trailer

    by Agent sith

    I caught a 45 second glimpse of it during the credits of that EXtra show. it looks interesting..despite nic playing the skull flaming mofo. hope it gets an R rating at least.

  • July 4, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    remaking hulk...

    by MaulRat

    its too soon... Wait at least 10 years then remake it.... In fact.... do the same with Superman... I loved superman returns, but its a nostaliga piece.. lets remake the origin story.... it worked for Batman... just sayin&#39;... I mean shit, at least they waited 11-12 years to remake Punisher.... (and they STILL didn&#39;t get it right!).... Dolph Rules.. you know it... don&#39;t be scared.. it&#39;s okay to want a piece.

  • July 4, 2006, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Bana Ruled!

    by NeoGomorra

    Brendan Fraser?!?! Is this some kind of joke? Marvel movies are going to start sucking compared to DC&#39;s.

  • July 4, 2006, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Lee Tamahori was supposed to direct..

    by Agent sith

    The Deathlok movie, but after that shitfest called XXX; state of the union and getting arrested in drag on hollywood Blvd apparently made Marvel have second thoughts.. as for silver surfer in a FF movie..uh he made a cameo..as Dr. Doom. Roger ebert said this guy looked more like silver surfer&#39;s cousin.

  • July 4, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Oh and for Banner casting...

    by MaulRat

    Jonathan Rhys Meyers... You know he rocks.. Book him now... thank me later.

  • July 4, 2006, 7:23 p.m. CST

    "The Silver Surfer has to be the easiest CGI creation"

    by MarkoOhNo

    As easy as making a silver man may sound, trust me, it isn&#39;t nearly as easy as you&#39;d think if you want to make it believable enough to not get heckled on aintitcoolnews.com. lol

  • July 4, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer as The Hulk!!

    by chickychow

    C&#39;mon, it would be a casting decision no one would ever forget.

  • July 4, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST

    A More Appropriate Bana Replacement

    by MarkoOhNo

    If they&#39;re gonna replace Bana, here&#39;s my suggestion: Nicholas Brendon (aka Xander Harris from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, for you non-nerds out there.) He would freakin ROCK in that role!!

  • July 4, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    That alien cop guy from Invasion should be Surfer.

    by Shermdawg

  • July 4, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Cillian Murphy as Bruce Banner

    by JuggFuckler

    And there ya go.

  • July 4, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    enough with the comic book movies already!!

    by quamb

    seriously, hollywood fatcats are going to kill a good thing.

  • July 4, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Every time I come to one of these Hulk talkbacks...

    by Laserbrain

    it seems the balance of Hulk Hate to Hulk Love is shifting increasingly to the latter. Great to see this underrated, exciting and fascinating film gaining much deserved respect.

  • July 4, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST

    hulk needs to be remade

    by calami-shami

    so it will fit into the continuity of the other marvel films and totally suck just like they do.

  • July 4, 2006, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Thanks Yackbacker

    by Logo Lou

    I was hopining for Loren Dean even before Bana was cast... maybe this time...

  • July 4, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Story stays on F4, but Bana leaves HULK? FUCK!!!!!

    by Drath

    Fucking shit crap news here today, folks, nothing cool at all about this.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp should play Sue Storm.

    by Thumper2k1

    There is no role J.D. can&#39;t make great.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Hulk is a better film than Superman Returns

    by chickychow

    &#39;nuff said.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    FF was ok.

    by flamingeyebrows

    I liked it. Not being familiar with the characters other then a few random comic i read here and there their depature from the source material didn&#39;t bother me at all. However i can agree that Doc Doom was bad. We already have enough &#39;CEO turn bad&#39; villan for the moment. And he was never a potent threat. That being said, I loved the team dynamic especially those of Torch and Thing. The Human Torch nailed how a teenage superhero would behave. It was a fun ride and far from bad.(though Mr. Fantastic freak the hell out of me. sooo stretchy *cringe*) But I don&#39;t approve of this throwing a whole new &#39;hero&#39; in the mix. They should refine what they did best in the first, the four&#39;s relationship, rather then trying to attract audience by being gimmicky. I loved the first Hulk and it gave it a whole new dimension. It was slow but it had substance. I for one think this whole remake thing is a big mistake. But people wanted &#39;Hulk Smash!&#39; instead of &#39;Hulk is believable and have feelings too&#39;. This base mentality is what prevent comic book movies from becoming what they can be, a serious genre with its own style. Castwise i think David Boreanaz of Angel fame would make a good Bruce Banner. We all know that he already have the whole &#39;tortured soul hiding a monster within&#39; thing down.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST

    dont get me wrong tho...

    by chickychow

    Hulk is sometimes unbelievably pretentious and ridiculous. It tries hard tho, something I cant say for the lazy, boring SR.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:44 p.m. CST

    F4 and Silver Surfer could be good...

    by andrew coleman

    Since Doom will stay in the helmet and act like he should hopefully. But if it&#39;s the same sitcom bs like the first one fuck it. About the Hulk are they joking sure people on this site will know what is going on but the general public. mind you Hulk still actually made money and I know people caught it on dvd and tv. So when the see trailers for a new Hulk movie people will be seriousyl confused and probably dismiss it.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Remake my ass!

    by tile_mcgillus

    NO FUCKING WAY! This is the most ridiculous thing I have heard today. If Hulk is remade if will fail and we all know this. Besides Hulk was an amazing movie both cinematical and conceptually (stop the movie when banner hugs ross surrounded by the military, where I bet Ang Lee wanted it to stop).

  • July 4, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Is this odd?

    by Zephyr1988

    I have always imagined, for no apparent reason yet with some absurd brilliance...but what about Daniel Day Lewis as the Silver Surfer? No particular reason, no logical reasoning behind it. I just have some type of gut feeling about him being very appropriate for the role. Still, I think they need some type of articulate, theatrical, cultured actor of some sort.

  • July 4, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Fernwick,

    by Warcraft

    Please explain to me, in great detail, why on earth I should give a shred of shit about getting respect here?

  • July 4, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Actually, that wasn&#39;t supposed to be a question.

    by Warcraft

    Oh well. Pretend the ? is a .

  • July 4, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Michael Duncan Clark for Sue Storm.

    by Warcraft

    Because he could repair the shit storm (har har get it?!) performance Alba gave in FF.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    If there were gonna get a hispanic actress for Sue...

    by Warcraft

    Why not a more attractive, older, and talented actress, like Eva Mendez? Oh wait, because Hollywood would rather hire the "popular for the moment" person instead of the right person.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Hulk recasting...

    by Johnny Ahab

    Edward Norton or Guy Pearce. Banner has to be believable as a scientific genius, I think these guys could both pull it off. Remake away! Bana (a fine actor in other films) was just one of the many problems with the first HULK...

  • July 4, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Remake the Hulk? Why? Answer that

    by rubensreviews

    Why? Because the hulk didn&#39;t live up to the dreams and expectations of fanboys? So put in a quick 10 minute flash back and move the fuck on. I am sick of origin stories. Im thankful that superman returns didn&#39;t start off with another 25 minute origin story. and why are people saying fantastic four was good? Are these people the sane that hate superman returns? cuz if they are then they should not be allowed to voice an opinion .

  • July 4, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I LOVE Jessica Alba!!!

    by twitaman

    But her performance in FF was awful and brought, what was already a mediocre film down. But miscast as she was, she was still nice to look at. :)

  • July 4, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Oh I forgot, this is about the Hulk

    by twitaman

    Who care.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Hulk is still the best comicbook movie

    by Krazy Eyez Killa

    great, expertly crafted film that was true to the SPIRIT of the source material. It&#39;s a shame they&#39;re going to spoil it with a watered down mainstreamish remake.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Seriously though

    by twitaman

    I agree, there&#39;s no reason to "re-imagine" or "remake" the first Hulk. Just recast the thing and move on. It&#39;s not like they really got the origin story wrong. They just made an ambitious but boring picture. So tell a better story, and for God sake&#39;s don&#39;t let Nick Nolte anywhere near the thing.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST

    I got the perfect choice for Banner or Surfer

    by GuyLombardo

    Remember "EVIL ED" from Fright Night? Well, check out his resume and tell me he wouldn&#39;t play the perfect Banner or Surfer.

  • July 4, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Sorry forgot the link.

    by GuyLombardo

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0313267/

  • July 4, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST

    The Hulk TV Series!!!

    by MetalWater

    If you all saw the 70&#39;s 2 hour tv movie for The Hulk, which starred Bill Bixby (spelling?), well, you saw something pretty special. It really worked as a premise and was executed brilliantly. You really felt sorry for Dr. David (Bruce) Banner. There where no gimmicks there, just a romantic and tragic Shakespearean story. With an ending that kind of reminded me of James Bond: On Her Majesty&#39;s Secret Service, in respect to the death of Banner&#39;s love interest and soul mate...Her death, and his curse, having become The Hulk, which sends him on his quest to free himself...to find a cure and to live a normal life. Ang Lee, the director of Hulk, the movie, missed that important framework. And let me tell you, I saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon...and it was lacking in every way. There was some good wire-fu, but the story sucked. Any hack could have made it up...and the same is true of Ang Lee&#39;s film version of The Hulk...that and, the fx looked like a video game!!! Shame on you ILM!!! No excuses...your work was trash!!! I didn&#39;t buy The Hulk as a special effect for one minute. Strange though, Hellboy...as a creature suit make-up effect and in other scenes, seen as a CGI produced special effect, worked perfectly. Over all, the film was better than The Hulk, which shouldn&#39;t have happened. I think all of these tentpole block buster movies suffer from too many cooks in the kitchen-itous!!! Too many execs barking orders, too many focus groups, too many writers and blended script drafts, too many producers, too many gimmicks, too much money and too much over thinking of each and every scene and concept. Just hire a writer of the status of a Mario Puzo, one who really loves and knows story...and a director like Martin Scorsese who is dedicated to capturing that vision, and knows Epic scope. Add to the mix one of Hollywood&#39;s great cinematographers and one of its great elite editors...a great score from someone like James Horner...and you&#39;ve got yourself a great film. Enough of the cookie cutter assembly line Superman Returns and X-Men style film making...It&#39;s killing the great Hollywood movie and the film going experience as a whole!!!

  • July 4, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Jessica Alba And Fantastic Four!!!

    by MetalWater

    On the subject of Jessica Alba...she can&#39;t act!!! This was just a matter of casting couch casting, and we all know it!!! I sincerely hope a 150 million dollar (the budget of the movie) blow job was worth it for whoever hired her at Fox Studios???!!!

  • July 4, 2006, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Bill Bixby was the definitive Banner

    by jegoing74

    I think they ought to base this Hulk movie on the television series. Dr. David Banner. Physician. Scientist. Searching for a way to tap into the hidden strengths that all humans have. Then an accidental overdose of gamma radiation alters his body chemistry. And now, when David Banner grows angry or outtraged, a startling metamorphosis occurs. The creature is driven by rage, and pursued by an investigative reporter. Mr. McGee, don&#39;t make me angry. You wouldn&#39;t like me when I&#39;m angry. The creature is wanted for a murder he didn&#39;t commit. David Banner is believed to be dead, and he must let the world think that he is dead until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    HULK VS WOLVERINE.....

    by zathras34

    Hey as long as we need sequels..WHY NOT...Then just throw in the Windigo for good measure..just dont forget the beer.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Gee...

    by Harysuxafat1

    no more worthless over dramatic acting from Bana. Dang. I couldn&#39;t give a shit about FFINO2 as the general public will when this POS hits the streets. The BO won&#39;t happen for this worthless rendition of FF number 2. It&#39;s gonna bomb worse than SR is.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Banner should be weak and smart looking.

    by Laser Floyd

    Like Stephen Hawking.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:36 p.m. CST

    "true to the SPIRIT of the source material."

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    The Hulk movie?!?! Krazy Eyez Killa, you are totally cracked-out. You&#39;ve also proven that you know nothing about HULK comic books. The money-men and script-guys castrated the spirit of the comics right outta that movie. The only good thing about it was the way that it looked, and that was due to Ang Lee and ILM.

  • July 4, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t entirely blame Tim Story

    by jegoing74

    Casting by Heike Brandstatter Nancy Klopper <-- U.S. Casting Coreen Mayrs

  • July 5, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Hulk movie Formula

    by Bootskin

    Said it before a hundred times: All you have to do to get a decent Hulk movie plot on screen, is to loosely follow the Godzillla/Kaiju movie formulas. Indestructible monster is hatched (no, I&#39;m not suggestiing the Hulk should hatch from anything, bear with me here) from a scientific accident, goes on rampage, leaves huge swath of destruction in its wake. Human scientists come up wiht plan A, preototype weapon/strategy to subdue monster for study, govt wants to kill it OR turn it into a weapon. Plan A goes badly, monster escapes, plot device #2 shows up (in fomr of another monster? natural disaster?) Monster either intentionally or not, stops said disaster, and escapes human&#39;s attempts to kill him/it. Monster tkaes off into the sunset until the sequel. NOW,as for how the Hulk coudl fit into this, shit just follow the old journey into mystery issues. AND KEEP RICK JONES IN IT YOU ASSHOLES! Its the only time where a "kid sidekick" character would be a good thing. The whole old fashioned gamma test should be done, complete with Rick jones being in they way, Bruce running out to help him. AND the countdown could be restarted by none other than emil blonsky, spy and saboteur that he is. maybe a little residual radiation affects him als, an he ends up being the Abomination. Anyway, this post is too danm long. Wans&#39;t meant to be, but the whole HULK movie is a no-brainer. Keep the father son thing, just make it more of a background issue. Make it why Bruce is so meek, (ie: his father was abusive, he saw his father kill his mother.) We dont need his father AROUND after the fact. It ties in nicely with his MPD syndrome. It kills me that Peter David could make the screenplay for this fucking rock. but yet we have Ang Lee&#39;s flick, with about 20 minutes of actual HULK action. Stupidity at its finest.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST

    re: my last post

    by Bootskin

    wow. dont ever let me porst while I&#39;m drinking again. What an unreadable pile of shit.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:29 a.m. CST

    David Boranez as Bruce Banner!

    by flamingeyebrows

    And James Marster as silver surfer!!! Oh no i can feel it. The insults that is coming toward me for being a buffy fan.:P The silver surfer thing is a joke( i honestly don&#39;t kno nothing about the char xept he hav a surf board and he is... silver) But seriously David would be a good hulk.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Hulk TV Series

    by MetalWater

    To: Jegoing...Glad you got what I was talking about. They really need to remake the Hulk TV movie and elements of the televison series. Hell...I could stand a almost shot for shot remake...They really managed to catch lightening in a bottle. Eric Bana was completely miscast...and was no Bill Bixby. I met Bill Bixby,..I&#39;m glad to say that he was a really good guy and a great television director. He really took the character seriously...We need an actor who can really act and show a full range of emotions, that can draw empathy to the character. The audience needs to really be able to live through him, vicariously. They need a character and a actor who acts as an entry point to the world of The Hulk, and a film maker who knows how to get us there. Bill Bixby was that kind of person...and trust me...he was a very kind man!!! This next Hulk film, should be dedicated to his memory!!!

  • July 5, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    hey, merrick...

    by omarthesnake

    why the fuck SHOULDN&#39;T Silver Surfer look like a foil-covered mannequin? Exactly what level of realism are you striving for in your depictions of a silver-coated, dickless man who rides through the galaxy on a goddamned surf board? The character can only be done in CGI. Do him with a physical actor and you&#39;ve got Blue Man Group with a color shift.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST

    You got to be fucking kidding!

    by dirtsandwich

    Brendan Fraser please no!

  • July 5, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Steve Buscemi is Bruce Banner

    by Uncle Stan

  • July 5, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    FF4 are for kids

    by CuervoJones

  • July 5, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST

    The Incredible Remake...

    by KabutoKoji

    Arad-"This new Hulk movie is the one. This is the one the fans have been clamoring and waiting for". We can now add thief to the list of titles for Arad. Shame on you, Avi, for stealing material from Rick McCallum circa 2004. In other news, they are making and re-making Transformers:The Movie all at the same time to be on the safe side. And I for one can&#39;t wait for this December when we finally get the remake of V for Vendetta. YYYYYIIIIPEEEEEEEE!!!!! Good times.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I agree with JF

    by Zorak5

    Cillian Murphy as Bruce Banner--that actually sounds pretty good!

  • July 5, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Marvel movies...

    by CLMoose8

    SPOILER********* http://tinyurl.com/on6z2 ******** Yeah, that&#39;s right. And from what I hear it&#39;s not a hoax, dream or imaginary tale, neither.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I like Cillian Murphy as Dr. Banner too

    by Rant Breath

    that is if you can&#39;t get Edward Norton instead.

  • July 5, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Hulk was such a colossal fuckup.

    by minderbinder

    And they seem determined to continue that tradition. Bana was actually fine, the problem was that the movie was completely dull. Was there even any story to tell again? They might as well make a sequel...not that anyone would go see it. Better off just waiting 10-15 years and do a reboot, the Hulk left an awful taste in many mouths and tained the character for a generation or so.

  • July 5, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST

    The transformations sucked in Ang Lee&#39;s Hulk

    by Rant Breath

    In the Bill Bixby show his transformations into the Hulk were exciting and suspenseful. In Ang Lee Hulk movie the transformation scenes are completely forgettable, throw-away scenes. More proof that Ang Lee had no idea what to do with the Hulk. Everything about that movie screams "I think I&#39;m too smart for comic books, let me add a bunch of pretentious, meaningless crap!"

  • July 5, 2006, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Great call on Stephen Geoffreys

    by chrth

    Didn&#39;t realize he had turned to male porn, but I bet he&#39;s rarin&#39; for a comeback.

  • July 5, 2006, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Quantity not quality?

    by DrLektor

    Would you rather see a hundred mediocre Marvel movies than just one truly amazing one? That&#39;s what they&#39;ve quickly become, churning out franchise after franchise to rake in the quick bucks. You honestly think they give a shit about the fans and what they want? Truly it&#39;s best to take your time, spend years making a movie like Superman Returns, show genuine love for the comic and do a bang up job rather than make a race for the box office *cough* X-Men 3 *cough*

  • July 5, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Just bring back Bana but make the film FUN this time

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    HULK SMASH, starring Eric Bana would be a great film.

  • July 5, 2006, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Bana wasn&#39;t the problem if there was one with The Hulk

    by Lost Skeleton

    like I said...I am one of the few who loved the Hulk and what Ang Lee was trying to do but I stand by my unfanboy comments that half the audience didn&#39;t realize the Hulk was that big because the remembered the television show and not the comic and the other half just wanted some more mindless action. It occurred to me after seeing Superman Returns that both that movie and the Hulk are similar. Both light on action and heavy on story. I also liked Supes by the way. I hope Tim can pull this one off. I do not like the fact that Fox is rushing this film as well. We see what happened with X3.

  • July 5, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Best Silver Surfer cameo .. ever

    by CharlySays

    Silver Surfer FX were nailed 10 years ago with a fatman in a speedo and 5 litres of B&Qs finest. ** Blue Juice ** already owns Tim Story&#39;s FF2. Just wish I had the pics to justify this.. anyone?

  • July 5, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Some truly funny shit...

    by Childe Roland

    ...has been typed in this talkback. First, I&#39;m glad to see all the folks who hated Ang Lee&#39;s excellent Hulk film finally coming out of their 90&#39;s-cartoon-geek closets and admitting they just wanted to see HUlk smashing things for two hours. That makes me feel much better about enjoying the film, which was faithful in spirit and tone to the best Hulk stories of the last 20 years (as scribed by Peter David). Second, how the happy fuck would Vin Deisel have worked as the Surfman? Because he&#39;s bald and muscular? I&#39;m guessing this dream casting comes from the Hulk smash crowd. Reeves would be better, but not by much. If they go with a relative unknown buried beneath layers and layers of CGI, they&#39;ll be better off. And Warcraft, you&#39;re right. Alba is so beneath you. I bet the lilly white dream chick (is it coincidence that she bears such a striking resemblance to your mother?) that you imagine wearing the FF tights while you hump your fist is much hotter. Racist twit.

  • July 5, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST

    The Hulk is...

    by ArtemisClydefrog

    ...just your typical Ghetto Latina actress. I mean really. I could look out my window and see, like, a million better looking Ghetto Latina Hulks. CHEECH MARIN FOR BANNER/HULK WITH A HIT SOUNDTRACK SINGLE BY SEAN PAUL!!!

  • July 5, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    absolute worst casting ideas in these talkbacks!!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Too many to even list...David Hyde Pierce....Michael Keaton....look, this should be simple, but if an actor is FIFTY FUCKING YEARS OLD, probably he shouldn&#39;t be cast in the first part of a continuing series that is populated by characters in their 20&#39;s. Think outside the box for *once*

  • July 5, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST

    I mean *Mena Suvari*?!?!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    ewww! Have you SEEN her lately?? And Nicholas Brandon was born, born to play Spidey....in some alternate reality they are getting a much better SM trilogy than we are.

  • July 5, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I loved Hulk

    by Purgatori

    and Bana was awesome. So I&#39;m sad to see him go. Fraser meh.. You know who&#39;d be interesting though, you&#39;d have to see past having a brunette, is Kiefer Sutherland.

  • July 5, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    FF script revealed

    by CharlySays

    Peter Gunn to reprise his Silver Surfer role in ... Fantastic Four : The Mid-Life Crisis, 10 years after kicking Doom&#39;s lightning-yuppie arse, semihero life is plodding along. Mr.F knocks up Sue, they get a mortgage in the suburbs, drive a fucking LandRover to drop the spoilt stretchy-invisi kid off at pre-school. Johnny gets fat and starts acting in hardcore gay porn (Flamer On, Suck My Burning Balls). Ben falls arse over tit in love with a 1920s mansion block, and proposes immediately. The lads reunite and set about &#39;kidnapping&#39; Ben for a stag do in Cornwall, to hilarious results and heatwarming ecstasy use. Blue Juice owns.

  • July 5, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Hulk TV show is unwatchable

    by Big Bad Clone

    I never understood the love for that crappy show. It was like Knight Rider with a green body builder instead of the car. Main character meets some "hip" people. They get hassled. KITT/ Hulk busts up shit for 60 seconds. Move on to next location. Repeat.

  • July 5, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    One vote for Steve Buscemi

    by sevadro

    It&#39;s a long shot but I always liked this idea.

  • July 5, 2006, 9:39 a.m. CST

    this just in......

    by emeraldboy

    there are two actors fighting it out for this role. Brendan fraser and prison break dominic purcell. That fact that they are talking about purcell, means that he gets executed and meets his maker in the very soapy but highly prison break.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Keanu

    by Fernwick_

    My point on Keanu isnt that he can act, hell he can barely smirk. Anyone remember Devils Advocate? *shudder* But im saying he has the look for the Siver Surfer, only other one I can think of, would be...... um.... I dont know I have always visualized Norrin Rad with a look similar to Yul Brynner. So, I dunno, but I see Reeves when he is bald to sorta have that look. Any comments :)

  • July 5, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    poor hulk

    by Obscura

    never seems to get past the origin story. i know how he was born, i dont wanna see it again! just skip the whole origin, make a movie that COULD be a sequel, but stands on its own aswell. just take it as fact that everyone knows where the hulk came from. hell, even change the actor, but dont tell the same damn story again. Ang Lee actually left it in a nice open ended way, a way that anyone could make any hulk fim they wanted and it could still be in the same universe.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    "faithful in spirit and tone to the best Hulk"

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    You&#39;re totally on crack too, Childe Roland. They completely fucked it up. Except for the look. The look and the action were great.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST

    "You have a blade runneresqe classic on your hands."

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    O.K.--we&#39;ve got our most outragous comment of the talkback. I guess it can end now. Nobody is gonna top that level of idiocy.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez

    by Fernwick_

    Ya, that was pretty bad, first Warcrafts moronic statements and that was just goofy. Goofy is better then moronic, but still goofy nonetheless. Fernwick

  • July 5, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Here&#39;s a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

    by Borgnine JR

    How about a flick where Jennifer Connelly morphs into Jessica Alba when she&#39;s angry? Then she gets caught up in a gene splicing experiment with the Multiple Man from X3 and we get Multiple-Alba, who gets into lacey pillow fights with herself.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Hopefully.

    by Mooly

    Maybe they will remake Hulk into a good movie this time? Not that the seemingly 4 hour rip-off of king kong wasn&#39;t super great. I especially loved how Hulk could change shades of green and could grow to any size he wanted. *cough*

  • July 5, 2006, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh as Banner

    by veritasses

    DC/Marvel cross-over. And they should do a She-Hulk with Xena.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Mooly, you racist fuck.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I was wondering when you would rear your ugly, ignorant head again. Yeah, the Hulk changed size and color in the movie. Just like he does in the comics--you fucking retard. But, we already know that you have a problem with different shades of skin, don&#39;t we? Fuck off and die.

  • July 5, 2006, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Fernwick_

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Yeah, Warcraft is a racist asshole. But, unfortunately, that&#39;s pretty typical around here at AICN. It&#39;s not very outragous anymore. Just par for the course.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Did you even read David&#39;s Hulk run, Jar Jar?

    by Childe Roland

    The whole torment of the inner child was what the character became all about on his watch. The action was largely secondary to exceptional storytelling and character development. While Lee&#39;s shooting script wasn&#39;t quite up to David&#39;s standards in terms of story (particularly in the last act) it nailed the character development aspects. Hence my use of the terms "spirit" and "tone." Since you seem more preoccupied with the look and the action, I&#39;m sure you&#39;ll enjoy whatever vacuuous reboot Arad decides to throw at us, but try to know what you&#39;re talking about in the future when discussing the source material.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Yes, I read David&#39;s Hulk run, Childe Roland.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Despite it being not very good at times. You, kid, are the one who doesn&#39;t know what the fuck they&#39;re talking about when it comes to the source material. Not only have I read the Peter David run, I&#39;ve read THE OTHER FUCKING FORTY YEARS OF HULK COMICS, you teenage twat. O.K., here&#39;s your Hulk lesson: The Hulk is an anti-military-industrial-complex comic. This was totally changed for the movie because it came out immediately post-9/11. Instead of being a clear villian, Thunderbolt Ross is made into a guy who&#39;s just doing what he thinks is right for his country and his daughter (instead of just being obsessed and violent). Major Glen Talbot (do you know who that is?) is no longer even IN the military (because they can&#39;t be the bad guys anymore) and they put him in the private sector working for a scientific corporation called ATHEON (groan). They took out the Gamma Bomb, which completely alters the very essence of the character of Bruce Banner. Not to mention all the other shit--like there&#39;s no Rick Jones and Banner&#39;s dad becomes a major character that he never was (played very poorly by Nolte). They should have had a 3 minute flashback scene of Bruce getting beaten by his dad as a child and that would have been PLENTY. They beat US over the head with that bullshit in the name of "character development" and it turned out to equal a B-list superhero movie instead of the A-list one we would have gotten had they just stuck to the source material. You have officially been served. Do not attempt to retaliate, or I will be forced to own your ass all over again. Oh, and by the way--you should try to know what the fuck you&#39;re talking about in the future when discussing source material.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Winning a Talkback argument

    by Fernwick_

    First, being a Siver age comic enthusiast I agree with what you say completely Jar Jar. But remember the old saying, about winning a debate on the internet. Plus in our format the other talkbackers are in the position to declare the other guy the winner so have low expecations on feedback because my logical and intelligent thoughts have been shot down before on here... so ... i agree. Point JJ4P, and lets see what others day.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Beating you all to the punch

    by Fernwick_

    Not to say EVERYTHING i have said is logical and intelligent but the ones that WERE smart were pooped on is what I mean to say :)

  • July 5, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    You&#39;re a joke, Jar Jar.

    by Childe Roland

    First, you assume WAY too much. I&#39;m well into my adulthood (even middle age by some folks&#39; standards) and have been reading comics in general and the HULK specifcally for well over thirty years. As a matter of my opinion (and that of many others who share my interest), David pretty much saved The Hulk from what had become, over time, a long series of anger, smash, rinse, repeat storylines (with the ocassional guest star to keep things interesting). As for the liberties the film takes with established origin canon, are you one of those pissy little geek punks who cries every time someone decides to update or (in the comic lingo) "Ultimize" a character&#39;s origin so it will translate tot he screen? If so, we&#39;re done talking. I&#39;d have better luck getting Helen Keller to play guitar by ear. Aside from Sin City (which hardly comp[ares to the Hulk in terms of subject matter), point to one comic book movie that depicts the origin of a character 100% faithfully to the now quite dated source material? You wanted a gamma bomb? Ang Lee decided the threat of a nuke-like device wasn&#39;t going to resonate with a modern, thinking audience. He got to make the film. You didn&#39;t. But he kept the radiation in it just to try and appease you. If only he&#39;d known what an impossible-to-satisfy little bitch you are. You wanted Rick Jones? I bet you wanted him complete with long hair, bellbottoms and an acoustic guitar, ouot there picnicking on the military testing grounds. Yeah...that wouldn&#39;t have made anyone chuckle at the sheer stupidity of the character as depicted then. Again, Ang&#39;s call. Not yours. I&#39;ll bet you wanted Betty to turn into The Harpy and a green-haired Doc Samson, too. Personally, I think those would&#39;ve been one way tickets to cheesetown for this property. You&#39;re perfectly entitled to disagree with me/us on any of the above points, but when you start spouting like you&#39;re not only the definitive authority on what makes a good Hulk story but also some sort of Internet psychic who can tell who he&#39;s typing with simply by dating a single creative reference, you look like a sad clown. So put your assumptions back in your ass and pull the crack rock out of your nose. Maybe then it won&#39;t run so much.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant as Bruce Banner

    by Johnny Smith

    That is all. SETH BULLOCK SMASH, COCKSUCKERS!

  • July 5, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST

    chickychow...

    by NightArrows

    Quote:"Hulk is a better film than Superman Returns" SERIOUSLY. Just shut the fuck up. Better yet, audition for the role of the Hulk&#39;s clean up rag. When he beats off and finishes all over you it will be justice served for having zero movie taste.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    BRENDAN FRASER!!!??????

    by BRUTICUS

    This guy is just annoying to even look at. I just wanna punch him in the face.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    The &#39;77 Hulk TV Movie

    by twitaman

    I will agree with everyone who has said how good for its time the original Hulk TV movie was. I loved the fact that they made what happened to Banner a result of his own hubris and scientific curiosity. Like an agent mythological story he was meddling in the realm of God and paid dearly for it. I thought that idea is far superior to the origin in the comic and what Ang Lee did - where he is merely the victim of a lab accident. Kenneth Johnson&#39;s Hulk pilot was a twist on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that&#39;s timeless, to bad Lee didn&#39;t take this approach in his film. It would&#39;ve been a vast improvement.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    The &#39;77 Hulk TV Movie

    by twitaman

    I will agree with everyone who has said how good for its time the original Hulk TV movie was. I loved the fact that they made what happened to Banner a result of his own hubris and scientific curiosity. Like an agent mythological story he was meddling in the realm of God and paid dearly for it. I thought that idea is far superior to the origin in the comic and what Ang Lee did - where he is merely the victim of a lab accident. Kenneth Johnson&#39;s Hulk pilot was a twist on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and that&#39;s timeless, to bad Lee didn&#39;t take this approach in his film. It would&#39;ve been a vast improvement.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    I grew up in the eighties and nineties.

    by emeraldboy

    The hulk, wonder woman and the bionic woman are of their time. Wonder Woman. I have all three season of that on DVD and watched the first two, but the third is awful I havent watched it since. Bionic woman and six million dollar are hilarious to look at. The man in a ripped shirt would be hysterical and no one would by it, no the critics, not the fans, no one. We are so familiar with shuttle launches and disaters, that no one would buy into say Buck rodgers in the 25th century. ie astronaut as an accident, that would not even get green lit. People who want a hulk smash-athon would do well to remember this:in his orginal screenplay Micheal France, wrote a scene where the hulk thrashs las vegas. The studio topedoed that because it was too expensive. So we got ang lees version instead. I still would love to see a she hulk film. But somehow i think we aint going to get that ever. if they are going to make the hulk again they will have to make it with a young cast. i can hear the rumblings of discontent already....

  • July 5, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I really don&#39;t care much who they cast as Banner.

    by superninja

    In fact, the less famous, the better. Because the Hulk movie should be mostly about...THE HULK. All that needs to happen is that Banner gets angry. You don&#39;t want Banner controlling his anger because then there is no Hulk. He&#39;s a nice guy that gets picked on, and then teaches someone a lesson they&#39;ll never forget. The best Hulk stories are those involving the psychology of the big green guy. One thing about Lee&#39;s movie is that I thought the CGI successfully captured a lot of the Hulk&#39;s raw emotion. Almost all of the Hulk scenes (except the Hulk dogs arrrgh!!!) were great. Banner, though, is not a very deep or interesting character, although he is sympathetic.

  • July 5, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST

    favored bana

    by foree forehead

    for continuity i woulda liked him again. not perfect but better than alright in the first movie. he&#39;s a bit boring. i dunno about this chap&#39;s acting chops but jim caviezel certainly looks bannerish enough here: http://tinyurl.com/rprsu

  • July 5, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Childe Rowland, don&#39;t you think

    by superninja

    it&#39;s unfair to simply reduce it to "Hulk smash" stories? The theme is that the Hulk just wants to be left alone, not tormented and feared.

  • July 5, 2006, 1 p.m. CST

    For the Banner look

    by Purgatori

    I did like the Hugh Laurie suggeston, but I think he may have gotten a little too old for that type of film. What about David Tennant?

  • July 5, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland&#39;s 2nd serving.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    The first thing that you should remember is that "insults don&#39;t make you any more right." My insults of you *enhance* my argument because of their truth-quality, whereas yours are merely grasping at straws like an "internet psychic." Once again, you show your obvious youth and ignorance of established Hulk history in your post. The only problem that I have refuting everything that you say is which moronic comment to begin with. First of all, what&#39;s wrong with Peter David&#39;s run on Hulk is that IT wasn&#39;t true to the essence of the character. Hulk is a big, green monster that smashes stuff. He isn

  • July 5, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...is like an unfunny version of Mercier KOTB. Where, oh where, have all the funny, stylish trolls gone?

  • July 5, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Unfunny--while simultaneously proving how wrong you are about how I&#39;m a troll that posts and runs away with no argument. I can shame your ass on my worst days, you republican, sexist, racist fuck.

  • July 5, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez is right.

    by superninja

    David&#39;s Hulk makes Banner into a bully, instead of the reverse-bully, which is what the original characterization is. Grey Hulk is a bully and kind of cruel.

  • July 5, 2006, 1:53 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I forgot homophobic! How could I forget homophobic?!? That&#39;s, like, your main thing!

  • July 5, 2006, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez

    by DocPazuzu

    Calling me a "republican, sexist, racist fuck" and "homophobic" is, like, not really an argument. It&#39;s just more abuse with no basis which you can provide. I&#39;ve never been banned which means that all my posts remain. So, if I am any of those things, please feel free to come back with a few links demonstrating that very thing, okay? If not, then just keep abusing and then run away as usual.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Not running away...

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Just not wasting any of my time looking up your old republican, sexist, racist, homophobic posts. People who have been around these boards know what you are. Hey--why don&#39;t you team up with Childe Roland? He&#39;s also an asshole blowhard who also has nothing.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Wow, Jar Jar, big words for a little fella like you...

    by Childe Roland

    ...in that last post. "Hypocrite?" Go look that one up. I assumed nothing about you, dumbass. I used "if-then" statements, which are perfectly logical constructions that you were welcome to refute (and didn&#39;t, by the way, choosing instead to prove them true by screaming about how any change from Hulk&#39;s Kirby origins was a bad thing). In fact, instead of arguing against ANY of my points, you went back to your infantile name calling and shouting your opinion. And you continued to make asinine assumptions about what I have and haven&#39;t read. Yeah, Jones didn&#39;t wear bellbottoms in Hulk #1 (which was a 1962 or 1963 comic, as I recall) but he sure did throughout the late 60s and 70s issues. So was that "change" also a bad thing? Should the Hulk and his sidekick have remained forever exactly the same in their appearances and attitudes, regardless of how the world changed around them? How much less relevant could the character have been during the longest of "Hulk just want puny humans to leave Hulk alone" years have been? Are you saying you wanted everything in the movie exactly as it was in that first Kirby comic? Really? Here&#39;s an idea, then. Go back and read the comics. It will always be there for you, just the way you like it. And you can skip the issues or entire runs of officially sanctioined creative talents (all of whom have more authority over the character and what is "true" to him than your sad ass) that don&#39;t synch up with your perfect vision of what the Hulk should be. You are pathetic with your fear of interpretation and change. A Kirby-esque Hulk movie would&#39;ve been laughed out of theaters by anyone but a five-year-old (even if it were a period piece). David&#39;s Hulk was the best Hulk, in my opinion and others&#39;, since Kirby&#39;s and was certainly the best for its time and its audience (and by shitting on his Aquaman, which was equally perfect for its time and was exactly what that character needed, you reveal the extent of your ignorance concerning what makes good storytelling). Go back to your reprints (because if you owned the originals, you probably wouldn&#39;t be here wasting my time and you certainly wouldn&#39;t risk taking them out of their bags to read) and live in the past. Peter David has more say in defining the Hulk than you do, and so does Ang Lee. Doesn&#39;t that just tear you up inside? It&#39;s so unfair! Your sage advice and sacred opinions are going unheeded and completely unrespected by those who make a shit&#39;s worth of difference when it comes to making movies of these properties. Thank god there will always be Internet forums for you to swing your imaginary dick around in and reassure yourself that yours is the true and right vision. Surely all of us out here have respect, admiration and even fear for your righteously perfect understanding of all that is Hulky. Wait...you mean you&#39;re just another fanboy with oh-so-particular preferences and a loud opinion? You mean for all your posturing and blowhardiness, you&#39;re really not an authority on anything? Fuck! What a buzzkill! Insignificance is a bitch, isn&#39;t it? Now stop humping my leg.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez

    by Fernwick_

    Is right about one big point. Green Hulk IS the Hulk, the rest is just freaking weird, the most accurate storyline and final answer to the Hulk, maybe should have ended with Hulk #300. Hulk loses all of his humanity, and turns into a raging MONSTER. Destroys EVERYTHING and starts to attack the heroes. Man that was an awesome strip. Dr Strange sending him into an alternate universe I think was a great idea. But.... Grey Hulk, is just a big... arsehole. Comments? Fernwick

  • July 5, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t care about SILVER SURFER if Story is directing

    by Doc_McCoy

    No matter who is playing the lead. And Brendan Fraser? Hahahahaha.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Remember guys

    by Fernwick_

    The rule about winning an argument on the internet. Is like winning an event in the special olympics. Even if you come in first, your still a retard. So calm down a bit, remember are talking about a comic book. Ok? I read Hulk thru what I considered his end, when he was banished, and watched him suffer and be tormened and then I ran out of money and stopped for a while. I have seen and read Gray Hulk and havent been impressed. Its like taking Peter Parker and turning him into a drag queen. Yeah its still Spiderman, but whats with the tu-tu? Get my drift? So if anyone can tell me the origin of Grey Hulk, please go right ahead. Thanks. Fernwick

  • July 5, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST

    "not wasting any of my time...

    by DocPazuzu

    looking up your old republican, sexist, racist, homophobic posts." ..... So, you&#39;ve got nothing, right Jar Jar? What a little bitch.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Hulk was underrated

    by BobParr

    Not great but pretty good. The Hulk Dogs scene was one of the coolest fight scenes of any comic book movie ever. I also liked Nick Nolte as the mad scientist. But to do a remake is insane! They created the origin and now Banner is a man on the run who can Hulk-up when neccesary. Just move foward and make the Hulk more powerful like the comic book. 5 or 6 Army helicopters shouldn&#39;t slow him down. Eric Bana is a good actor but he was completely wrong because he is just too physically imposing. He was twice the size of the military guy that was beating him up. He played Hector for god sakes! Brenden Frasier is even bigger. He definitely has a goofiness to him but there was a reason he was once cast as Superman. He&#39;s an athletic, tall guy. Way wrong for the part. get a little pussy of an actor to play him. Elijah Wood&#39;s size or smaller.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Re: Guy Pearce

    by Darth Busey

    He should have been Matt Murdock/Daredevil.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland&#39;s hypocrisy and ignorance (again)

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I didn&#39;t "scream about how any change to Kirby&#39;s Hulk origins was a bad thing." I simply pointed out how you apparently know nothing about them, and a quick trip to google to get a release date for the first issue does nothing to make you look credible. In fact, I listed no less than 3 movies (10 if you count all sequels) that don&#39;t adhere to the original comics, yet are great. You&#39;re obviously the "ultimate" fanboy nerdlinger that will defend Peter David&#39;s hack interpretations of characters until he&#39;s blue in the face--because you LOVE Peter David. That&#39;s the absolute HEIGHT OF ALL FUCKING LITERATURE to you. It&#39;s where you look for all of your precious "characterization," because you&#39;re certainly not getting it from anywhere else. Shakespeare? Fuck that--you&#39;d never understand it and there&#39;s no colorful pictures. Instead, we should turn the Hulk into something other than what it is, so that it&#39;s interesting to YOU and your "contemporary" mindset that demands "realistic" movies about giant green monsters that smash shit. Oh, wait, make that grey, gangster-monsters that live in Vegas--that&#39;s the "ultimate" Hulk, right? Just like the Capt. Hook/Jesus version of Aquaman is SO "perfect." It&#39;s called &#39;judging something for what it is,&#39; douchebag. We&#39;re both sharing our opinions on this talkback, and we&#39;re both insulting each other, but the difference between us is that my opinions are ACTUALLY INFORMED and you know jack-shit except for how much you LOVE Peter David. Do Peter David and Ang Lee have more to say in defining the Hulk than I do? Of course--who would say otherwise? But is Peter David a hack writer that took Hulk to his low-point? Yes. Is Ang Lee a director that barely speaks english and isn&#39;t responsible for the money-men/script fuck-ups of the movie? Yes. Learn to read before you come back at me again, or at least try not to be such an ignorant hypocrite.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ve got...

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    you pegged as a republican asshole, Doc.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez

    by DocPazuzu

    So, still nothing then? Just one little link -- please? No?

  • July 5, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    You&#39;re an amusing little anklebiter, Jar Jar...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I&#39;ll give you that. Where did I ever say Peter David was the height of literature? Oh, right...that was you trying to put words into my mouth that you could actually argue with and sound smart. I&#39;d say nice try, but it wasn&#39;t even subtle. And, again, who&#39;s the one making all the assumptions here? Oh, right. You again. I guess the first three letters in the word "assumption" should&#39;ve been my first clue. You got one thing right...you&#39;re just another fanboy blowhard sharing an opinion. It&#39;s a ridiculous opinion (Wah! Peter David changed my Hulk! You sound like my great aunt used to sound when the soap opera writers killed off one of the characters in her stories). If a writer wants to lend relevance and a degree of "realism" (your word, not mine) to an otherwise fantastical character and premise, yeah, I&#39;m going to give it a chance and, if it&#39;s good, I&#39;m going to say so. Just like I&#39;m going to call you what you are...a prissy little bitch who wishes he could just pick and choose which elements of a character&#39;s established and officially sanctioned (by the rights holders) continuity he can embrace while expecting the patchwork interpretation of the character he arrives at to mean shit to anyone but himself. What a happy little world you must live in...assuming you live alone. Otherwsie do everyone you care about a favor and kill yourself. Watching you try to reconcile reality with what you&#39;d prefer it to be must just be a living hell for them.

  • July 5, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST

    re: the Grey Hulk

    by foree forehead

    i&#39;m fairly certain that the grey one was THE original hulk that debuted in, what was it, tales to astonish?? he spoke gruffly but intelligently to rick jones and was sort&#39;ve a greyish purple color i think. he had sort&#39;ve a dark Thing type of personality and a big square frankenstein head. i&#39;m not sure when he became green and turned into dumbo-but-charming hulk. incidentally, i thought the scenes in the ang lee movie with hulk contemplating the moss were some of the best bits, really harkened back to the green comics hulk wandering the wilderness and wanting to be left alone.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:03 p.m. CST

    You&#39;re an unamusing little pillowbiter, Childe.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Some of your most telling quotes are ones like "by the rights holders." Ultimately (pun intended), that&#39;s all that matters to you, kid. You&#39;re a fucking shill for every hack writer like Peter David, because all that matters to you is that he&#39;s "officially sanctioned" to shit all over certain "properties." You&#39;re basically a shill--an apologist for things that suck and the corporate money-men that fuck them up. If all that matters is that something is "officially sanctioned," then I guess you never dislike anything done with a comic character--I mean, it&#39;s all "officially sanctioned," right? Warner Brothers are the "rights holders" to Batman, and they haven&#39;t been able to make a decent movie to save their lives. You&#39;re obviously the one who has a problem reconciling reality with what they prefer it to be, because you keep refusing to admit that your ass has been completely and totally owned (with solid logic, not name-calling). You can call me a "prissy little bitch" all you want, but it&#39;s only because you know that you&#39;ve been given a thorough schooling today. You will never be right, so you&#39;re really the one that should shoot himself in the head.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Beg me some more for that link, you racist fuck. It&#39;s funny.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:07 p.m. CST

    The original Grey Hulk

    by BobParr

    According to Stan Lee and one of his 1,000,000,000,000 interviews the Hulk was originally conceived as grey. The printers had trouble coming up with the color and the green Hulk was actually an accident. Everyone liked the green Hulk better and it stuck.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    "It&#39;s funny."

    by DocPazuzu

    Not as funny as that feeble deflection or seeing how easily Roland is schooling you. If you had any substance -- at all -- you&#39;d either post a link or at the very least describe one single issue in which I have taken a "racist" or "homophobic" stance. Like I said -- Mercier was a much funnier troll.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Grey Hulk

    by Fernwick_

    You guys sure on that? Your saying Hulk was smart to begin with? Anyone care to wikipedia this? (im watching 2 kids so doing anything that requires research is a bit difficult). So I can buy the he was supposed to be grey thing, but what caused the actual green to grey shift? Anyone?

  • July 5, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The Hulk&#39;s size.

    by Mooly

    According to my past nerdy years collecting comic books and, subsequently, superhero "cards." According to every single card on the Hulk, his "stats" sepcifically say that he is 7 feet tall. He was shorter as the Grey Hulk. At no point does anything I&#39;ve read, say that Hulk has the ability to grow bigger in size. The Hulk gets stronger as he gets angrier...not larger. the movie had the hulk around 20 feet tall at one point. Give me a break. And despite the long history of the comics making the hulk different colours, I don&#39;t think that has anything to do with the movies crapy CGI being unable to keep Hulk a consistant colour throughout the movie.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Doc Pazuzu and Childe Roland--so happy together

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I knew it wouldn&#39;t be long before there was a Childe Roland / Doc Pazuzu team-up! You need each other&#39;s help, that&#39;s for sure. What a surprise that YOU would think that Roland is schooling ME! Maybe the two of you can make no sense together. I know! We&#39;ll put the two of you in Seth Brundle&#39;s machine and then we&#39;ll get a creature that&#39;s half republican and half ignorant fanboy--but ALL RETARD. Well, I guess that wouldn&#39;t make either of you much different than you are now. Childe is probably racist and homophobic too.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Grey Hulk

    by Mooly

    Banner wanted to control his chaning into the HUlk and came up with a way to do it. I beleive it was a potion or something fo that sort. However, he became the Grey Hulk and although smaller and weaker, he was able to think more like a normal person. However, Grey Hulk also turned bad.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Mooly

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    All you have to do is read the comics to see the Hulk change size all the fuckin&#39; time. But don&#39;t let me interfere with you fondling your trading cards. If the Hulk changes shades of green (even grey!) in the comic, how is it a bad thing that he does in the movie as well? Oh, that&#39;s right, you don&#39;t like different skin tones. You&#39;re still a racist fuck.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar 4 Prez

    by DocPazuzu

    Roland IS schooling you, big time. I&#39;ve tried to provide you with opportunities to school me, but even without defending myself against your accusations, and merely asking you to provide evidence of your assertions, you&#39;re STILL unable to pull it off. How weak is that? I&#39;m beginning to suspect your shtick is some sort of weird performance art because nobody can seriously be that unaware of how stupid he&#39;s making himself look.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Yes, the Hulk was originally Grey. However, you all

    by superninja

    know when we refer to the Grey Hulk, we are talking about Peter David&#39;s snarky, intelligent, bully of a Hulk. Now, I like reading the Grey Hulk but only as a supporting character (as in with Patch in Madripoor, etc.). But, not a lot of mileage there on his own, in my opinion. The classic wandering Hulk who wants to be left alone and ponders Daisies before beating the crap out of the Abomination is what I want to see. When done very well, it&#39;s a very subtle, thoughtful interpretation of the character.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Fernwick, the Hulk was originally intelligent.

    by superninja

    He was not a dullard - that was added later. If you read the original issues of the Avengers, he was kind of like The Goon.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Well, I guess you showed me, Jar Jar.

    by Childe Roland

    What you showed me was your ass, and I&#39;m really sorry everyone else had to see it, but you&#39;re your own man. You&#39;ll do what you want and think what you want and you&#39;ll stick your fingers in your ears and sing la-la to drown out any dissenting opinion. Love that you&#39;re still hurling childish insults, cries of "you got owned/schooled" and calling others on hypocrisy and sssumption-making when all you&#39;ve got are your assumptions. Well...that and en ego you most certainly haven&#39;t earned. Doc P doesn&#39;t need my help to make you look like an asshat. I&#39;ve watched him respond to more intelligent arguments from homewrecker, and that&#39;s really saying something about what you (don&#39;t) bring to the table. Of course, homewrecker&#39;s big thing was to call everyone a gay Jew (or to call everyone Doc Pazuzu). You&#39;re all about the homophobic racists. Funny that Doc pisses you both off. Funnier still that neither of you could make sense if I gave you five pennies. That&#39;s a pun based on a homonym, by the way. Those are words that sound the same, but aren&#39;t. Not to be confused with "homophobe," a term with no real basis in this talkback yet you seem to be inexplicably fascinated with (maybe your use of the term "pillowbiter" offers some insight?), or "ad hominem," which seems to be the only kind of argument you&#39;re capable of sustaining. Don&#39;t hurt yourself climbing down off my cock now, precious. I know its slippery from all those natural lubricants you secrete.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Fernwick, here ya go:

    by superninja

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_%28comics%29#Origin

  • July 5, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I also dug the Hulk and the Pantheon

    by superninja

    But that really misses the whole point of the character. Funny writing, though.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    How surprising that YOU would think that Childe is schooling ME! It&#39;s nice that you&#39;re defending your new friend&#39;s honor and all, but how many people are agreeing with him other than you? None? I&#39;ve made logical arguments, and he has made none. Only the name-calling--just like you can call me a troll. Maybe I am a troll, but I&#39;m a troll that&#39;s totally right and you fuckin&#39; know it. You&#39;ve got nothin&#39; individually and you got nothin&#39; together.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Childe

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I notice that you&#39;ve totally dropped the Hulk debate and stuck entirely to name-calling in that one. Thanks for proving me right yet again. If all you saw regarding the Hulk were "ad hominem" arguments, then it really PROVES that you can&#39;t read. Or maybe you only read your own posts. Hold on a sec... I just had to finish cumming all over your mother&#39;s face. She says she wishes you were never born and that you&#39;d just off yourself.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Perfect The Rock and Jessica Alba roles in an FF movie

    by jinX

    Namor and Namorita respectively

  • July 5, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    JJ4P

    by Warcraft

    How am I a racist asshole? Who the fuck are you? So I don&#39;t like Alba or Lopez. That makes me racist? I even gave a serious suggestion for a hispanic replacement for Alba, Eva Mendez. The point of my post was, they only picked her because she&#39;s the current "it" girl. Anyhoo, I&#39;m half Puerto Rican, Half Black, with a half white/black Grandmother. Who the fuck am I gonna be racist against?

  • July 5, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Childe and Doc

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    There&#39;s a guy named ForumFatale over in the Dr. Who talkback that you should go make friends with. You&#39;re all cut from the same cloth. Then you can have a three-way ineffective team-up.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    No, Jar Jar...

    by Childe Roland

    ..the Hulk debate ended when we both agreed you were nothing but a pathetic whiny fanboy with a very specific, cherry picked vision of how he wanted his Hulk. Recognizing this, I saw more fun to be had in responding to your name calling in kind and, for that, I have to apologize to everyone else in the thread. I just checked out some of JJ&#39;s other shit on the board and it&#39;s very clear that I&#39;ve been feeding the troll. Oh well. Be sure to cover my mom back up with dirt when you&#39;re done befouling her dessicated remains, corpsefucker. Good to know the ol&#39; gal&#39;s still got it after several years of decomposition, though. You go, mom!

  • July 5, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Warcraft

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    You should do a team-up with Childe, Doc, and ForumFatale. They need all the help they can get... and I suppose your mixed-race heritage would buy the group a tiny bit of cred.

  • July 5, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Miscasting Marvel Movies

    by jinX

    Marvel movies are notoriously miscast. Almost without exception. Sometimes the actors overcome being cast against type (Famke Janessen as Jean Grey comes to mind) and sometimes they fail at doing so.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Childe

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    She wasn&#39;t that good, so I left her rotting in the sun. I heard that she killed herself because you were such a disappointment as a son. Also, the only thing that I remember agreeing to was that you didn&#39;t know shit from Shinola about the Hulk. Well, that and the fact that you got nothin&#39;.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Yip, yip little doggy...

    by Childe Roland

    ...you&#39;re right, Jar Jar. I&#39;m the one with nothin&#39;. Wish I&#39;d thought to go to mothers first. Even the other trolls are laughing at you now.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Childe is schooling you, Jar Jar

    by Chet Hudson

    I don&#39;t even read fucking comics and can tell.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Childe

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Your mom&#39;s the "little doggy." I made sure of that. Finally you can admit that I&#39;m right. Kill yourself now before you err again.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Chet Hudson

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    You don&#39;t even read anything, do you? If you knew how to read you&#39;d know who was gettin&#39; schooled in this equation.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST

    oh snap!

    by Chet Hudson

    I better go home and play with my Legos.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    You can figure out how to play with Legos?

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    That&#39;s surprising.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    attention cocolopez:

    by DocPazuzu

    Please come back. All is forgiven.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST

    attention Bill O&#39;Reilly:

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    We have an even more retarded version of you here on AICN.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Origin Stories

    by BobParr

    I&#39;ve been reading the ongoing debate about the Hulk&#39;s movie origin story vs. the comic. One thing to remember is Stan Lee said he didn&#39;t put much thought into the origin stories. He would come up with a cool concept for a superhero and then quickly create an origin since he banged out new heroes almost monthly when he was starting out. Every origin is almost exactly the same with "radiation" or an "atomic explosion". It was like those 50s horror movies. They want giant ants so they blame the A bomb. The characters would evolve over time. With "Hulk" you&#39;ve got a wimpy, repressed scientist who gains his powers through gama exposure (combined with other scientific stuff) and turns into the Hulk when he gets pissed. Now he is a nomad on the run from the Army. What is the big problem here? It seems a lot like the comic. PS- I like the way they gave Thunderbolt Ross a little depth to his character in the movie.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST

    "Stan Lee... didn&#39;t put much thought into... origin[s]"

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Yeah, no shit. He let Jack Kirby make them up and then takes credit for them later.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Jar Jar

    by BobParr

    Why are you portraying the Hulk movie as such a betrayal to the comic? I understand that it was kind of boring and they went way too Freudian with the Dad stuff. But it used the comic as the template and comics and movies are different mediums. A movie has two hours to convey what a comic has taken years to establish. Of course there has to be short cuts and revisions. The basic stuff was there. That is why I hope they just move foward and not subject us to another origin story.

  • July 5, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by DocPazuzu

    No, JJ4P is definitely not GT.

  • July 5, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    BobParr

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I didn&#39;t portray the Hulk movie as a "betrayal to the comic." That&#39;s too extreme compared to what I said. I was simply countering Childe Roland&#39;s ignorant, uninformed comments. There are many things that I like about the Hulk movie (see the above posts). I thought that it looked great and that the editing and scenes of Hulk on the rampage were stellar. My problem was with them altering the essence of the character and the main themes of the story (again see above). I think that it knocked the Hulk down from what could have been an A-list superhero movie to a B-list superhero movie. My reasons are outlined above and they are solid. Shit, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s as bad as Daredevil or Batman Begins or something. Childe Roland&#39;s fragile ego, name-calling, knee-jerk reactions, and defense of Peter David tried to turn it into something else. It&#39;s all there. Read the posts.

  • July 5, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    TomBodet

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    I have no fucking idea what your post is trying to communicate. Try english next time. Thanks for your concern, but don&#39;t worry about me taking on Pazuzu--it ain&#39;t no thing. That guy&#39;s fuckin&#39; retarded.

  • July 5, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    One thing I don&#39;t get.

    by superninja

    The Rick Jones love. I never could understand the popularity of that character. He&#39;s like Bucky, but with jeans.

  • July 5, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    It&#39;s easy to understand, superninja. I mean, could you name a cooler sidekick? Robin? No way. Also, keep in mind that Rick Jones WAS Bucky for a while. Steranko made him Bucky II: The Sequel. Rick Jones was the sidekick to The Hulk, then The Avengers, then Captain America, then Captain Marvel, then he BECAME Captain Marvel... I mean, he&#39;s cool. Plus he&#39;s a hip character that gets it right (unlike Snapper Carr who always seemed like a doofus and a bit too campy).

  • July 5, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Try watching the Tele-Films of the Incredible Hulk

    by jegoing74

    Kenneth Johnston didn&#39;t play the tele-films as Camp!

  • July 5, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    For the record...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and the benefit of anyone who DOESN&#39;T feel like slogging through the rest of the talkback (although I highly recommend you do as it&#39;s hilarious) Jar Jar started out by suggesting I was on crack for stating that Ang Lee&#39;s Hulk was faithful in tone and spirit to Peter David&#39;s run on the Hulk comic, which I expressed a personal preference for based on years (over thirty) of reading the character. He then backpedaled and admitted that my original assertion had been correct, that the movie was faithful to David&#39;s interpretation, but suggested that because he (Jar Jar) personally hated David&#39;s take, my opinion was somehow ignorant and that I must not have read any Hulk stories prior to David&#39;s run (interesting "logical" progression there). He worked himself up into quite the amusing tizzy over this and painted himself into quite the logical corner (since he had already admitted my assertion about the movie was true) trying desperately to put words into my mouth that he COULD argue against and, failing that, very quickly, resorted to childish name calling. I&#39;ll admit, once I&#39;d thoroughly trounced his argument (that my opinon, shared with David and Lee, of how the character should be portrayed was not his opinion and therefore we must be ignorant) I did indulge in a little unnecessary roughness, retaliating in kind to his insults (at least until he ran out of material and fell back to "I know you are but what am I" tactics). I am ashamed of that, now, as I had no idea he was actually a twelve year old with some kind of cognitive disability. I have to give him credit, though. He did, apparently, fuck my dead mother and he hates homophobes but uses the term "pillowbiter" as an insult. (cue theme music) He&#39;s a complicated man...who no one understand but his ha-and.

  • July 5, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    For the record...

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    If you think that Peter David&#39;s take on The Hulk is the best way to do a movie, then you&#39;re fucking retarded. &#39;Nuff said.

  • July 5, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that was the creepiest Cap story, like, ever.

    by superninja

    I prefer to pretend it&#39;s not cannon. Also, Robin is 1,000,000x better than Rick Jones. The only thing worse than Rick Jones is Bucky.

  • July 5, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Rick Jones: The Annoying Trend Character

    by superninja

    The purpose of Rick Jones is to keep up with the times. Comic books are always slightly out of touch (when it comes to fashion, politics, teengers) and are always trying to make sure they have a finger on their target audience.

  • July 5, 2006, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Wow....

    by Bootskin

    I know you guys all have to have ...I dunno...Jobs or lives or something? I mean, I love reading and sometimes posting (rather incoherently I admit) on this site, but jeez. You guys all need to relax. You are all apparently avid Hulk fans. You all apparently love movies/comics. Do you even remember what the hell this arguement was even about? Childe was rightabout a few things. ie: a few of Peter David&#39;s ideas were used (whether well utilized or not is up to personal opinion..), and Jar Jar is also correct in stating that Peter Daivd has also had some horrible ideas (killing off resurrecting Marlo, and just about every other character on his thousand year run.) Face it, with a 15 or so run on the same comic, there are going to be stale periods...(that sounds kinda gross, but you know what I mean..). Especially when you have a character that basically just runs around and breaks stuff. Peter David made a brilliant move )in my opinion) in making Banner a MPD (or was tha tJohn Byrne?), or at least fleshing the idea out a bit. I agree with Jar Jar (never thought I&#39;d ever see that in print..) about the over-utilization of the father-son relationship. The whole thing could&#39;v ebeen summed up in a few moment long flashbacks. Hulk Dogs, and Nick Nolte stoppd this from becoming a truly great comic movie. I mean come on, who actually watched Nick Nolte basically say "ah fuck it" and bite that wire, and NOT at least groan a LITTLE? And the final battle? WTF was that? Hulk sillhouettes (sp) in the sky? It was like they ran out of time to actually animate the damn thing. I expected MUCH better from Ang Lee. The only parts I really liked were the 20 min or so of HUlk going nuts in the desert. That does not make me a neanderthal, or a lover of bad film. Besides, calling someone neanderthal or blaming someone for wanting ACTION in a HULK movie is kind of dumb in the first place, no? I can understand why people would be impressed with the over-all "comic book frame" direction goin on in the film. It was cool for about 5 minutes, then it got a little old for me. But again. Personal opinion. I just wish they went a little more in the direction of the old 50&#39;s "nuclear scare" monster movies, mixed in with some of the Peter David Id/Superego/Ego modernist stuff, and we&#39;d have a nice little Hulk SMash movie we could all enjoy. Maybe a little of the old Godzilla formula also, as I stated an an above, albeit inebriated post. Read it if you can. Just remember we&#39;re all here for the same reason guys. Dirnk beer and cheet on our wives.

  • July 5, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST

    I would&#39;ve read your extremely long post

    by superninja

    (wow, how long did that take for you to type?) but I have to get back to work!

  • July 5, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST

    I have to admit, I want to see the Doc Pazuzu evidence

    by FluffyUnbound

    I have never noted him being a racist or a sexist. I think some people assume he must be a Republican because he tends to discount their links purporting to prove that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster were behind 09/11. I didn&#39;t realize that was the new way to know who the Republicans were, but I guess you learn something new every day.

  • July 5, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    My nomination: Ed Norton for Bruce Banner

    by Mace13

    I think he could pull off being Banner easily. Anyone wanna second that?

  • July 5, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    THE HULK TV MOVIE!!!!!

    by MetalWater

    To: Big Bad Clone...I would like to refer you to the original Hulk tv pilot...rather than the whole of the show itself. I think if you get a chance to see the original two hour Hulk tv movie (the pilot) starring Bill Bixby...it will really blow your mind. It was a real love letter to the fans, the character, and The Hulk&#39;s creators!!! The new Hulk movie, like the tele film, needs to be handled more like The Fugitive tv series and even better yet in the movie version of The Fugitive. I think Avi Arad could also import alot of inspiration from The Bourne Identity and Bourne Supremacy films. We&#39;ll hopefully see a Hulk movie plot featuring our hero on the run from ruthless government agents willing to do anything to silence him...and discover his secrets, hoping to harness those very secrets for some kind of a super soldier program. In the end, after defeating them, Banner will fake his death...Once assumed dead (like in the tv movie) he begins his quest, traveling the country...(and perhaps the world), looking for a cure to rid himself of the monster inside him...The Incredible Hulk...All this, as a ruthless reporter finds his trail and hopes to expose that Banner is still alive. We see Banner is a closing shot, walking alone, on a rural highway...occassionally he turns and thumbs a ride as cars pass by him. A car stops and picks him up. As the car drives off, its driver and passengers pull a guns on Banner and try to rob him. Calmly...Banner speaks. Banner: Don&#39;t make me angry. You wouldn&#39;t like me...when I&#39;m angry. (he suddenly looks enraged)...The End. Fade To Black...We hear the criminals screaming voices and the sounds of a metal crunching tranformation. Cue music...roll credits!!!

  • July 5, 2006, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Best way to do the Hulk...

    by thecomedian

    As I&#39;ve said time and again the best way to do a Hulk movie is to combine elements of the Comic AND the TV show. If Ang Lee had just 86&#39;d that stupid subplot with Nick Nolte and added Mr. McGee as the pain in the ass reporter chasing after the gov&#39;t conspiracy to cover up the Hulk and used the Lonely Man theme instead of that retarded George of the Jungle crap he would have had a hit on his hands. For most of the non comic reading public the Kenneth Johnson Hulk is THE Hulk and rightfully so. That series almost single handedly wiped the smear of camp left from Adam West and made Superheroes a viable serious storytelling medium. Like I&#39;ve said time and again, if The Hulk had ended with Bana meeting Jennifer Connelly at a truck stop and then suddenly leaving her with a goodbye letter about how he&#39;d never truly be free until he was free of the beast inside of him as we cut to him hitchhiking with the lonely man theme playing there wouldn&#39;t have been a dry in the house. It would have been awesome.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by thecomedian

    And whoever said David Tennant should be the new Bruce Banner is fucking dead on. It would be perfect because he sort of looks enough like Eric Bana that they can just continue from the Ang Lee film and tell a story that&#39;s more in the spirit of the comic/TV show. Plus he&#39;s skinny, wirey and he&#39;s really good at getting pissed off. Of course I&#39;m saying all this because I&#39;m a Doctor Who fan and it probably makes me look just as short sighted as all those douches who were saying Eccleston should be the Joker a year ago.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Hulk TV Theme!!!

    by MetalWater

    That sad piano theme...which climaxed each episode of The Hulk tv show, really got to me, especially at the close of the pilot tele movie...that final concluding low piano note leaves you wanting to cry your eyes out. I&#39;d like to see it used to close out the upcoming Hulk remake...as we see Banner hitch hiking away to face an uncertain future.

  • July 5, 2006, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Marvel please people like DC did with Bale as Batman

    by chien_sale

    ...with David Duchovny as Bruce Banner! He IS Banner!

  • July 6, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST

    JJ4p

    by Warcraft

    lol, I&#39;d add more then a little cred to that group. I&#39;d be adding a bit of sexiness to it aswell, heh. On a serious note, I may have been a bit harsh calling Alba and Lopez ghetto. I will admit that.

  • July 6, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    uh no...

    by thecomedian

    David Duchovny is a has-been with all the charisma of a wet blanket. He&#39;d make a good annoying Jack McGee but no one would sympathize with him especially if he did the same semi-comatose line delivery he&#39;s done most of his career. There has to be that urgent desperation that triggers the Hulk transformations the way Bixby pulled it off. Duchovny is like a human qualude. They&#39;ve already made a boring Hulk movie with a dull unsympathic Banner. That&#39;s why they&#39;re in the pickle they&#39;re in now.

  • July 6, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Hulk Casting!!!

    by MetalWater

    David Duchovny is a bore fest. He&#39;s had his chance with the X-Files, but he and his female co-star Gillian Anderson blew it with their collective arrogance...having open fights over salaries and personally attacking each other, all stemming from their on set love affair that went wrong...That and Duchovny&#39;s arrogant snobbery in interviews, the guy has wrecked his own career...He&#39;s a real turn off to audiences. As Howard Stern once called him, to his face, in an interview, David Duchovny is nothing but a poor man&#39;s Harrison Ford...With that said, we don&#39;t need him wrecking this movie!!!

  • July 6, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Actually Duchovny is the poor mans...

    by jinX

    Richard Gere. Thats what Stern said...until reports of Duchovny&#39;s massive endowment surfaced. And then they joked that Gere was the poor mans Duchovny.

  • July 6, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I knew Duchovny had to be packing some serious might...

    by Childe Roland

    ...down below. I mean, just look at the guy! How the happy fuck could he have become the sex symbol he was at the height of X-Files&#39; popularity unless he was a human tripod? That said, it&#39;s called The Incredible Hulk, not Davy the Wonder Schlong. Let Duchovny do a little porn (he was halfway there with Red Shoe DIaries anyway) and cast a relative unknown as Banner. If he bears more than a passing resemblance to Bana, don&#39;t bother retelling the origin. Just start us out with the Hulk moping in the desert about how he just wants to be left alone (that will make some folks happy, I&#39;m sure). This isn&#39;t brain surgery, Avi.

  • July 6, 2006, 1 p.m. CST

    Mr. McGee is lame

    by Norm3

    Its such a dumb character. Like he&#39;s got nothing to do but chase Banner all over the USA.

  • July 6, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Yeah McGee is no Thunderbolt Ross...

    by thecomedian

    But he works well not so much as an antagonist but as an outsider serving sort of as the audience surrogate. In a modern Hulk movie McGee would work as a gov&#39;t conspiracy chaser whose stumbled onto The Hulk, an equal thorn in both Ross and Banner&#39;s sides. 70&#39;s "chasing Bigfoot for the National Inquirer" McGee is lame.

  • July 6, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    by son_of_snotball

    NOT FREAKING BRANDON FRASIER FOR GODS SAKES!!!!..ARE YOU KIDDING ME?...{{{{LELAND ORSER!!!}}}} FOR BANNER!!!..CAN&#39;T THOSE HOLLYWOOD NITWITS GET ANYTHING RIGHT?!?!?...HULK SMASH {{{PUNY}}} BANNER!!!....FRASIER NO PUNY!!!...OH GOD!!...THEY&#39;RE MAKING ANOTHER FREAKIN&#39; DUD!!! http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/3120/po.82420.jpg

  • July 6, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Incredible Bulk!!!

    by MetalWater

    Hey, Jack Nicholson, James Woods, Ed Beagly Jr. (spelling?), Charlie Sheen, Tommy Lee, Leonardo DiCaprio, Prince, Kobe Bryant and even Michael Jordan are all packing major wood too, but that doesn&#39;t mean they should play The Incredible Hulk. Well, unless it&#39;s the porn version...we&#39;ll call it, The Incredible Bulk!

  • July 7, 2006, 6:09 a.m. CST

    The problem as i see it...

    by TheLastAngryMan

    ...is that all superhero films, like it or not, have to be made child friendly, as in simple plots, bright colours, low dialogue time, etc, as this will be the studios main source for box office reciepts (with maybe the exception of spiderman and superman, who are so well known and loved they can attract a wider audience). Hence we are served up shit like f4, which hate or not, brings in the money because children can watch it and understand it, where as Hulk (which in my opinion is an underated masterpiece of filmaking), will do less well due to its more adult storyline and pacing. The fact they are redoing the hulk is no surprise to me what so ever, expect a shitty f4 type movie with lots of big explosions and fights with monsters, the thinnest of plots, and a higher box office return than the first one. Utterly depressing, but a sign of the times ime afraid.

  • July 7, 2006, 7:25 a.m. CST

    you comic book fans are so funny

    by white owl

    it&#39;s refreshing to see someone with a idiot name like jj4p lose an argument. indeed all us trolls are laughing at you.

  • July 7, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Hulk 2 concerns

    by DMcK

    I don&#39;t know about the rest of you, but I really liked Ang Lee&#39;s Hulk. There were a few issues with the CG, but overall I really liked how the Hulk looked. He really looked like a real life version of the comic. As for those of you that thought he was too cartoony, I would ask you how real can a 15 foot green monster look? He is superhuman after all. Now, for Hulk 2 rumours: If Avi plans on totally reinventing the Hulk from scratch and pretending the first film never happened, he&#39;s nuts! In fact, I think he should hire Ang Lee back to make a trilogy. The plans to change the way the Hulk looks is also stupid. Why not just improve the CG? It wasn&#39;t that bad to begin with. I think they just needed to work on the transformatin sequences a bit more, and also work on the Hulk&#39;s facial expressions. The plans to make the Hulk smaller are just plain dumb. He is the Hulk! Eric Bana was perfect for the Bruce Banner. Why mess with that unless Eric doesn&#39;t want to come back to do the role? Overall, I&#39;d say it&#39;s stupid to remake the franchise after only a couple of years have passed since the first film. - DMcK

  • July 7, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Poodles

    by DMcK

    BTW, I loved the dog fight in the Hulk movie. I thought it was one of the best sequences in the film. The best sequence being the Hulk&#39;s flight with his father in the sky and his subsequent fight. That reminded me of what a fight would have been like bewteen the Greek god Zeus and his son Hercules. Awesome stuff!

  • July 7, 2006, 11:54 a.m. CST

    I say Kelly Slater for the Silver Surfer

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    He&#39;s shaves his head, he&#39;s the best surfer in the world, his acting skills won&#39;t matter much, plus he&#39;ll be cheap. Just throw him 2 million and he&#39;ll do the film, junkets, and the cross promotions, no sweat.

  • July 7, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Warcraft, add Michelle Rodriguez and Eva Longoria, too

    by thegreenvortex

    I agree with ya, Warcraft! I&#39;m Hispanic, too, and I hate when they try to pass off these homely, no-talent Latinas as the hottest thing. You can&#39;t walk 10 feet in L.A. without seeing hotter Latinas than that.

  • July 7, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    According to AICN DownUnder..

    by Pawprint

    Bana may still be in the running for the &#39;new flavour&#39; Hulk. To be honest I thought Ang Lee&#39;s Hulk had some really good characterisation, and interaction between Bana and Connelly and great effects (apart from the dogs), the ending was a bit poor in all respects though, which really let it down. But it wasn&#39;t the triumph of style over content that some critics would have me believe. So, not great enough for me to consider it too sacred to be rebooted, but not bad enough to put me off any more Hulk films. My main feeling towards a &#39;new flavour&#39; of Hulk? Indifference.

  • July 7, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Nicole Bass for She-Hulk!!!

    by savage_henry

    Any of you seen her recently? Holy shit, I&#39;d guarantee that there&#39;d be a cock swinging around under those clothes, should anyone want to look. Great case study for the effects of &#39;roids on the female form.

  • July 8, 2006, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Are you kidding? Mr. McGee is perfect

    by superninja

    for this day and age. Some hack reporter who writes tabloid garbage gets his one big shot at a real story and no one believes him. So then he has it in for Banner and tries to sell him out whenever he can. He could even be a reoccurring character who tips off the villains via the internet as to the Hulk&#39;s location and then ends up needing his protection when some real psycho shows up.

  • July 8, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST

    The problem as i see it.. Re thelastangryman

    by emeraldboy

    You are correct. Hollywood has been forced by the US govt to self censorship. All movies will be screened for bad language, violence or whatever and those movies will be cut down. This will effect people like tarantino because his films will now be butchered by whatever studio makes say grindhouse. I know QT&#39;s movies are not family oriented in any way but in order to get his movie or movies in theatres those cuts are going to be made regardless of whether he wants them or not. The goes for superhero movies too. The are making them light a fluffy and will make them light and fluffy to get kids into theatres, purists wil moan and say thats not fair but that is the way it is.