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Quint has seen the RETURN of SUPERMAN!!!
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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I just got out of the preview screening of SUPERMAN RETURNS here in Wellington. I know I'm a bit tardy, but I think I'm just making it in under the wire.
I'm not going to go very in-depth. You've read so many reviews already and a lot of you have seen the flick at a midnight showing by now, but I wanted to go on record with my immediate thoughts.
First off, if it wasn't for Richard Donner's SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE I might not exist. How many people can say that? On my parent's first date they went to see SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE opening weekend. Less than 3 years later I burst onto the scene. Thank God the movie didn't suck, eh? Who knows where I'd be, if anywhere at all.
I grew up with the movies, of course. I loved the first and second SUPERMAN movies, but even as a kid I couldn't get behind SUPERMAN 3 and 4, despite my well-bred love of Christopher Reeve in the role. I'm even at the point where Otis and Luther's campy relationship in the films doesn't bug me. I can see Hackman's torment at having to surround himself with idiots. The barbs he throws at Otis (not to mention fists) really reveals his distemper at these guys. So, what bugs a lot of fans doesn't bug me.
My thoughts on SUPERMAN RETURNS may contain spoilers... some quite heavy, but by now I think if you're reading this chances are you've seen the return of the big blue boy scout. But a fair warning for the rest of you guys.
I was pumped for this movie and really walked away happy, but I see some rough edges in the story and some of the development. Some stuff that doesn't make a lot of sense, some stuff that makes sense, but didn't quite work for me. But on the whole, the movie rocked.
That was in no small thanks to Brandon Routh. Like many of you, I scrutinized that first pic of him in the suit and like many of you I thought he looked too young. He looked like a male model. The symbol on his chest was too small. The red was too burgandy. Then at Comic-Con last year I saw some footage of Routh in action. I was relieved a bit, but not wholly convinced. I think his voice is what turned me around in the early footage. He sounded like a man, not a boy. And he sounded a whole bunch like Christopher Reeve.
I knew it'd take seeing the film, all the sequences in context for me to really get behind him in the role of Superman. He must have been nervous. Not only because he was filling some very large red boots, but as an actor if he blew this opportunity, he'd be gone. None of that shows in his portrayal of the Man of Steel. He's confident, yet very natural in front of the camera. He's the find of the series and I think we can expect some great work in the future, in Metropolis and beyond.
Kevin Spacey as Lex is a genius bit of casting and the one part of the movie I was most looking forward to. And he does make a great Luthor who spends the majority of the film bald, thank the movie gods. However, I think the script is least kind to his character. His whole plan is to create a new country based on the crystal technology he nabs from the fortress of solitude. This country will literally bury most of America under water. There are a few problems here... Firstly, when the crystals form they make giant, black uncomfortable looking jagged rocks. Not quite the beach-front property eager citizens will plop down big bucks for.
Also, if he destroys most of America he should be smart enough to know that a change that sudden in world economics will have a great affect, sending the world's economy into a tailspin. The only part of his plan that makes any sense is using this alien technology and weaponry to establish his country as a power player. But we never see any of these weapons, just the mass-creating crystals.
I may be alone in thinking this, but I honestly think Gene Hackman's Lex was more sinister. He wasn't as successful, for sure. This Lex really has Superman dead to rights and the way he makes his new continent a Superman-free zone is pretty ingenious. Let me rephrase my previous statement. I think the Extended cut of Richard Donner's SUPERMAN shows Lex as a more sinister man. When he finds out what Ms. Teschmacher does, he's going to feed that back-stabbing bitch to the lions. Here, he just kind of looks annoyed.
Kate Bosworth is adorable. I predicted she'd be a big star back in the RULES OF ATTRACTION days and I'm happy to see her establishing herself. She's great as Lois.
The biggest surprise of the film, for me, was how they handled Lois and her son. Mega spoilers here.
By now most everybody knows that the kid is Superman's. I thought this was going to be pretty ridiculous onscreen, played like MUMMY RETURNS or the most recent ZORRO movie, with the kid jumping around and saving the day.
Singer and Co. handle the mystery of the child and his relation to Superman very well, with a nice, subtle touch. I love Lex putting the pieces together. I love the final speech Superman gives. The real heart of the movie is the relationship drama between Lois, Jason (the kid), Richard White (James Marsden) and Superman. I love that the kid never starts flying around doing crazy shit. That sold him being the son of Superman to me. I saw him as a child, not a cartoon.
John Ottman's score is very nice. I loved his score for H20 and thought he did a fantastic job adapting John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN theme there. He does an even better job creating his own themes and mixing them into John Williams' work. Well done.
When Superman is on his rescue craze I was turned into a kid again. The shots of Superman saving someone, placing them gently on the ground and flying off without slowing down had my jaw on the floor. That was the Superman I wanted to see. I loved that the danger seemed to be real. Metal crumples, glass shatters. Superman doesn't just step in and nab an airplane out of the air and deliver it untouched to the ground. And bonus points for Singer and Co. for frequent and badass usage of laser vision.
I hope on the next film they don't spend as much time winking at the camera and copying point by point the original film's structure and characters. On one hand I loved that it was the world I know, the Metropolis I know, but on the other I think they relied too heavily on the original films, spending way too much time referencing them. Parker Posey IS Ms. Teshmacher. Luthor's plan is more ambitious (and more successful), but essentially the same thing he tried before, just a differnt way of going about it. I guess that's why I really dug the family story with Lois, Jason, Richard and Superman so much because it was the only part of the story that wasn't done before.
I know that sounds whiny and like I'm mixed on the movie. I really am not. I enjoyed the film, was awed by the action, really felt for the characters. I think this is a great set-up movie. I really want to see Singer attack the sequel. I want to see the X2 to SUPERMAN RETURNS' X-Men.
So, what did the rest of you think? I know there's a talkback set-up already, but feel free to discuss below. Thanks to WB for helping me see the flick early while here in Wellington, thanks to Kate at Village Roadshow and thanks to Tim at the Reading Cinema.
-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com
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i'm getting more and more confused on this film. Been reading the reviews from people who have seen this and on general they didnt like everything the reviews on this site have been praising. have they got it that wrong. i'm not saying everyone has hated it as there are some more people who liked it but it seems the parts people liked seem to be those that have been intentionally put in to play upon the feelings people have of the donner films (marlon brando, music, brandons reeve impression) but doesnt give anything new itself that people like...the kid being the main point, bosworth young inexperienced looking lois and the ridiculous plot. looks like i'll have to wait for the dvd to see cause no way i'm putting my money towards this.
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And so did the audience I saw it with. Wild applause throughout the movie. I'll be seeing this one multiple times in the theater.
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I just got a free invite to the 2pm 3D screening in Auckland. Cheers for that BauerBeard.
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I really, really liked it - but I can't say I loved it. My biggest problem was the absurdity of Lex's plan. Of course, my biggest problem going in was the youth of the two leads, and I forgot about that pretty quickly. I can't wait for the sequel.
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Watched it again a few months ago, and dang that movie did not hold up. It may have been cool to us when we were 12 (Supes just punched a guy through a building!), but the awful script, Lester's inept handling of his actors and his annoyingly bad sense of timing, and the ultimately ridiculous conceit of Superman having to give up his powers because he fell in love (which makes no sense at all) all add up to a movie that just plain sucks. Sure, some moments are still very cool (General...would you care to step outside?), but the movie just doesn't hold up as well as Donner's.
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Watching a supposedly new film and realising it follows so many of the beats from the previous films. Is Singer making films for just himself or is the audience somewhere in his thought process?
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I rewatched Spider-Man 2. Y'know when the Tritium is sucking everything towards it at the end, there's some shots of cars etc being dragged along the streets towards the source. Not one man on rollerskates to be seen.
So no, Superman 2 doesn't age well. Curse the UK and the 2 weeks I have to wait to see this frigging movie! .... I'm assuming his child was conceived during the scene where he and Lois slept with each other after he gave up his powers, hence no flying kid? -
My wife and I watched 1(spec. edition) and 2 last weekend to get us up to speed. Halfway through 2 she says,"You know, I still get excited watching this." I must admit, so did I. You can't argue with that.
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It's a dog eat dog world, literally.
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It's humor is far too "Dick Lester" and that whole cheesy sci-fi-fantasy-as-filtered-by-Hollywood-suits-in-the-80s "he can magically lose his powers" crap blows. Everything else is cool, although it's obvious they chinsed on the fx from the 1st film. Seeing SR for myself this weekend and am looking forward to it.
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... offshoot subspecies of humanity wherein the fetus of a pregnant female has a 3 year gestation period??? Wha...???
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This is actually sad news. Much more so than Spelling. Hope Harry writes something nice about Moose, which was the dog's real name.
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The review is one big excuse why he liked it. As if he is forcing himself to like it. I did that after seeing Episode I. But I have heard great things about SR so I can't wait to see it.
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a lame pile of stupid crap
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on all counts. I think this was a great set up movie. But I felt they did rehash a bit of the same things over and over. But the myth, Routh, the effects, Jimmy (who cracked me up and wasn't annoying), Spacey, and the dedication to Chris and Dana...those thing rocked.
My only gripe with the whole thing (the major gripe) was Bosworth. James Marsden looked like a guy who could have a 5 year old kid. Bosworth just did not make me think of Lois Lane. She looked like a high school student in a bad wig (with a HUGE forehead). She didn't act or feel like a hard, badass reporter. She distracted me on screen because she seriously looked like a teenager and wasn't very good acting wise. Sort of vacant...rather like Jennifer Connelly (which that works in a movie like Dark City, where you're under a sort of mind control, but not in a movie like this)
But Routh ruled. He was amazing, and possessed by Chris Reeve in the same way Phoenix was in Walk The Line. Wow..
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for Spiderman 3.
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amazing. one of the best movies I've seen for a very long time. at this rate DC is kicking Marvel's ass.
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Though by my understanding, thats the only story Singer's interested in--zod played by Jude Law. I'm telling you right now, if i see another rehash from singer, I'm storming his place with a pitchforks and burning torches! Who's with me?
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that little dog give me alot of laughs.
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...outside of the aforementioned "care to step outside?" and of course "kneel before Zod!" the movie is crap - slapstick disguised as a superhero movie. Two wacky, scared southern cops? Check. Big dumb villian with teensy tiny laser vision? Check. Crazy "fight scene" with guy on rollerskates going backwards, guy talking on phone acting like nothing's happening and ice cream getting blown into another guy's face? Check. Peel 'n Stick "S" logo ready to trap bad guy? Check. Crap, folks. Crap Crap Crappity Crap.
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Announced last Friday, Iron Man the movie will be released Summer 2008.
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Hey folks. Just saw the Return of Superman last night. Full disclosure: this was my first ever experience with IMAX 3D, and it was absolutely worth the extra four bucks. In fact, this entire movie justified the experience of going to the movies for me. Even with those bulky glasses
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How would you rate the story?
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but seriously - i want darkseid or doomsday for the sequel to superman returns.
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...I'm not alone in my general disdain for Superman 2 as a whole movie. I've said before that a talented editor and a good vocal impressionist with an AVID suite and some time on their hands could splice together the first 95% of Superman I with the fight scenes from Superman II and make a fun, vastly improved SUperman movie. In fact, I kind of wish THAT'S what Singer and Co. had done instead of a pseudo-sequel that was really just a re-make of 1 with better effects and a different ending. Overall, the Donner original is still the best Superman movie (and one of the best comic movies) ever made, despite the stupid time travel ending. Singer's movie was totally unnecessary.
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Everybody keeps saying in the reviews that the island doesn't look comfortable or whatever, but it was still forming! Even if it retained the Kryptonian look, with advanced technology, it wouldn't take long to make it more habitable. That wasn't the final form!
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Jun 28, 2006 10:21:42 AM CDT
"I know it sounds whiny, like I'm mixed on the movie.."
by jackpumpkinhead
No, it doesn't. It sounds exactly like the opposite of whining. It sounds like unconditional praise. "There's nothing wrong with this film!" is what it sounds like. "I even love Possey and the kid!". It makes the film seem like the first damn Perfect Picture in the history of Hollywood. Which, I'm betting, it's not. Especially since it has a kid in it and it pukes and pisses on the no-kids-for-Superman canon. Christ, I think the stupid Superkid / Superdad idea was added only because the director is gay, the writers are gay, at least one of the leads is gay, and someone up there at the studio panicked because of that and yelled "Make him look definitely heterosexual, fer Crissakes!!!"
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Don't you? Just 'cause that sounds pretty much like what you're after. I think it comes out in November._______________ Moondoggy, I don't know about Zod. The whole Zod thing in the video diaries was a joke played on purpose. He was never going to be in this film, so who knows if he'd be in the next?
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That is too funny! I still say the look of the modern superman is some kind of gay stereotype. Yes, that may be prejudiced, but I stand by it. Where's my white sheet?
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I have never really liked superman, and though I will see this movie on friday, I haven't been waiting with baited breath and hoping they don't screw it up. I've always thought superman was a very 2-dimensional character. Why does he fight? His parents told him to. Superman has no vices whatsoever. ...and he only uses his powers for good. I've never been able to relate to him and because of that, don't really like him. In addition to that, most of his present storyline is absurd: his powers come from the light of our yellow sun - but his father can take those powers away?!! Peices of Kryptonite - his own homeworld - cause him to lose his powers or to have his powers transformed -WTF? ..and how is he flying? Etc... Anyone care to let me know what the comics came up with? What is Supes' motivation? What's the deal with him being an alien but being almost exactly like a human? How do his powers work? Those who love him will know...
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Tell me this, guys- How, exactly, do you put a buff, handsome man in a pair of blue & red tights and a cape WITHOUT making him look a little gay? It wouldn't matter who directed it, because the very idea of a guy in blue & red tights and a red cape is fruity to begin with! You're all just expressing your homophobic dislike of Singer and Spacey by using Superman as a scapegoat. Tell you what- YOU go put on red & blue tights, and throw on a cape, and gell your hair into Superman's style, and tell me the costume itself doesn't exactly look like something Larry The Cable Guy would wear. --- Your standards of what is "gay" are idiotic, and a lot of you should be barred from going into public because you're so damn paranoid you'll get teh ghey on you. Just shut up. It's people like this that make me embarrassed to be American sometimes. `Bunch of intolerant hicks.
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Contractions are handy. If you want to keep the "would" in there, change "Larry The Cable Guy" to "Elton John". Either way, you're a bunch of pathetic bigots.
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Hey Guys. Although I
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Miss Tessmacher? Try Kitty Kowalski, genius.
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Jun 28, 2006 10:56:24 AM CDT
Next movie = New Krypton and the threat it poses with..
by solomon kane
with excelerated growth and the discovery of new super-life developing....
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And it looks even worse today. Donner's Superman, however, still holds up pretty well. However, Singer's Superman is the new standard. I agree with the idea that this movie is the new launching point for an even better Superman movie -- Singer had a lot of obstacles to overcome by bringing this character back to the big screen, and he did as well as can be expected -- better, actually. I'll see this one again and again, and look forward with GREAT anticipation to the sequel. One big wish, though -- no more Lex or General Zod, 'kay? How about the Parasite or Brainiac for cryin' out loud.
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The brilliant opening Rube Goldbergesque sequence, the drunk, 5'o clock shadow Superman fight. Oh yeah, and the hotness of Annette O'Toole in the 80s. Of course, it was silly. But I think most people hate it because it dared to be irreverant towards St. Superman. Just sayin'
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Superman Returns delivers. Haven't enjoyed being in a movie theater that much since... I can't remember.
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This franchise is dead before it could even really begin.
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Everytime I read that Superman has to have vices or is two-dimensonal. I am always left scratching my head. Since, why does Superman need vices? The whole point of SUPERMAN...is to literally be a SUPERMAN. To get past the bullshit that bogs humanity down in order to lend us a big hand with his power. If you are going to be the best. You have to let the triffling parts of your existance go. Why he fights? He was raised by two people, that instilled in him the will to want to help and use his power for GOOD. Since folks will always need help, and who better than SUPERMAN to help them. There's a lot to Superman. Unlike Batman, Superman is not bogged down in triffling shit, that effects the way he does what he needs to do. If he were to gain a vice. If he were to be anything than SUPER. He wouldnt be Superman. Fabulous film by the way, and I agree with Herc. Finesst Superman film...ever.
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Dude, as much as I enjoy the animations you guys always have in the top left corner, take this one off, it's pretty uncool...it's like takinga piss out of christopher reeve, it's sorta uncalled for, honestly.
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...it was a disatrously stupid idea doing this movie as a semi-sequel to the original movies. Just have some balls and start again. New vision - new angle on the origin story - new score. Wipe it clean. What we have instead is a semi-digested piece of fan fiction. Respect to Mori for having the guts to point this out. Drag me over the coals for saying this, but at least McG's version might've been a Superman that said something new...
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really, really boring. Really el-lamo action, totally pussified Superman, ugly Lois Lane, lame 'You'll believe a man can fly????' Nope, not for a second. The 2nd one was better-at least there was a sense of menance and some decent action-remember, Superman was started in...'ACTION COMICS'. Not as some lame, weak kneed romance story. Have not seen the new one, but from the reviews...Sups has a Kid? Good call Hollywood, good polt chance Singer. You've planted the seeds to make this the suckfest all supermen movies end up being. Word.
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So, Harry, didja giggle when you saw the .gif???
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That Kal-El's kid cannot be super if SR is really a follow-up to S2, because Supes gave up his powers before banging Lois' skank ass. In other words, he was a normal guy with no supergenes to pass on. So I guess Singer's playing it like the kid was conceived later. In other words, he's picking and choosing what parts of Supes 1 and 2 he wants to homage. If you're going to homage, that's fine, but for Chrissake stick to your own rules. That's annoying! Sandman will rock.
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these assholes talking about great "setup movie"- just like they did with episode I & II (SW). Set-ups are for action comic strips and TV series- not movies we spend $10 on.
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there was a movie like someone posted- "Superman Dies"- where the "man of steel" gets tortured with kryptonite torture devices and then fed to sharks with kryptonite teeth- that'd be a movie I'd pay to see.
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It was not that good. Caught it this morning. The picture really didn't do anything for me. The script was the worst weakness. To me this seemed like a remake of the original. No wonder people will compare them so much. The casting was good. The special effects were good. Some of the scenes seemed to drag out. Luthor was wasted (again). It just was nothing more than a glorified remake. The one thing I don't understand, and I hope Singer and crew explain, is why did they have to throw in a kid. This is nothing against the child actor. He did a good job. Where do you go from here? What kind of sequel can be made now? I think they painted themselves in a corner with this one. I will not go back to see it. I probably will not buy the dvd. Okay, I might if the extras are enticing enough. I think Singer wanted a hit out of the ballpark. It seems that all could muster was groundrule double.
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...of Supes II (also heard it wasn't necessarily being done under his supervision, which makes me wonder), and I plan to check that out. Still wish the special edition of the first film had done away with or found some other way to explain the time travel thing, though. As for Superman looking gay, guys, I know I've said it before and so have others: There is something inherently homoerotic about any man, regardless of how "pretty" his face may be, prancing about in blue tights, knee-high hard-leather boots, a red cape and a speedo on top. This is an element of the heroic figure that carries down from the Greek archetypes that these heroes are based on (and we all know those Greeks weren't terribly discerning when it came to the gender of their sperm receptacles). So relax. Being curious about the heroic exploits of such an individual doesn't necessarily mean you want to swallow his Super Seed, so there's no need to get all homophobic (literally, fear of the same or that which is like unto) about it. And, in other news, you can be straight as the day is long and still dig on the music of Queen or Elton John. Singer may have fucked up the movie, but he sure as hell didn't gay up the concept any more than it was before he got there.
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Shoulda used a Krypto-Condom. He may have superpowers, but at the end of the day he's not feeding bathing and putting his kid to bed. You'd think he'd know better after losing his dad on Krypton and being adopted
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Way to shit on Christopher Reeve's memory. I know that nothing is sacred here, but I believe that everyone who comes to this site loves movies, as such, it is just plane wrong to desecrate the memory of a cinema icon, whose bravery many of us found inspiring, just to get a cheap laugh by capitalizing on the opening day of a tribute to the spirit of the original movie. I'm totally fucking serial.
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Five years of child support and mental anguish should be enough to make Superman feel more guilty.
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singer reveres the donner films yet ignores JOR-EL's most sage warning: "you are not to interfere with humans.. they have STD's"
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seeing it again in a couple hours, and may see it 5 more times after that. repus3000, i must say your 2 posts are two of the greatest posts i've ever read on this site. i could not agree with you more; fantastic thoughts! and quint, the only thing i disagree with you really on is hackman being more sinister than spacey. no way.****spoilers*** spacey's luthor from the beginning(when he threw his wig at the little girl) to the end as he stuck a kryptonite shiv in Superman's back, was much more evil . hackman's luthor reminded me of a vaudeville huckster, trying to sell the "tonic" that cures everything that ails you.Superman Returns: best.....comic-book movie...ever.
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"It's not mine, Montel!" "But, the child can lift cars and run 10 miles to school and be early." "That's all smoke and mirrors this ho is perpetrating to make it look like it's mine. It's not mine!" "After the break, the results of the DNA test."
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What kind of two faced fat retards would make fun of Christopher Reeve's memory, life and his family. That image is the most offensive thing I have ever seen. (It is more offensive than Drew Mcweeny sucking Harry Knowles dick to get a job here. I mean why else would he have a mustache and Harry not have one? So when they kiss they don't feel Bryan Singer gay. Just a Kevin Spacey gay.) When you posted that image you not only made fun of a crippled man (whom everyone loves dearly) but you are making fun of his deceased wife, and his son. Way to go Geniuses! That image needs to be removed at this very moment and an apology needs to be issued to the fans before the REAL media sees it and tells you it Aint So Cool to do that. And another thing, how can you ban people for making comments about the staff when you have that really offensive image that clearly points to Christopher Reeves? Why don't you answer these posts and be a man about it rather than be a pussy and ignore it because you can't think of anything to say about it! That is why! You all suck and are getting more and more pathetic by the minute. And Harry I am going to laugh when your "Tokyo Rose" doubles down on someone else
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I guess AICN just doesn't care. Every other sentence our masters here spew out is "Oh, I grew up with Chris Reeve" or "Reeve IS Superman" and they go and put THAT icon up here. I am sure Chris Reeve would laugh his ass off if he saw it. Not.
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They are the most ridiculos people on the planet I really hope they end up like that Icon. I wouldn't doubt it that they would, and they are such geeks that they would wear their Superman outfits in the wheel chair! I hope God does something Biblical to Harry Knowles and to them all.
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...I'm going to have to point out that, within the same post that you call for folks to respect the memory of the man, you call him Chris Reeves. This wouldn't be such a big deal except there was a Reeves who played SUperman before Reeve, and THAT dude had REAL problems. Let's not confuse them...out of respect, m'kay?
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Just like the just arbitrarily chose what to take from the past Superman films, they will probably just pretend like the kid doesn't exist in a sequel (if it happens). Or they will stick one line of dialogue in about the kid at the most and that's it. I could have written a better script for this film and I'm an average guy with no experience or special screenwriting talent. Most anyone could have done a better job.
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I love zfisk/homewreckers little TB grenades. Nobody even seems to notice. Have you even seen the movie homester?
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And not gross funny--gross unsettling. Pretty bad taste, if you ask me. Wasnt this the same site that banned a bunch of people for disrespecting the dead on an obit for Dana Reeve a while back?
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But we are talking about obivous disrespect of a true hero. One who battled to the end. Not a man who had some personal demons.
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..."Reeve" (Christopher) and "Reeves" (George). Two different guys. Just want to make sure we're keeping them straight when we're all up in arms about respecting one of them. It's a pet peeve (not "peeves") of mine. Thanks.
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It was just OK... VERY long and definitly drags. the shuttle action scene is the only scene worth a damn. the climax is anticlimatic. Lois was horribly casted, she looked like a teenager and took me out of the movie. She had ZERO chemistry with her kid, looking like his babysitter. Supes himself is good though. the Kid is good. Cyclops was giving his best Tom Cruise impression ever, but was ok. Posey was so beneath her talents is not even funny. Spacey was ok but his plan was idiotic. God that movie was long. everyone else in the flick was serviciable but nothing worth noting. Olsen was funny though. I honestly think I liked X3 better as a movie. Shorter, more to the point and you actually felt some may not make it. Superman is... well... Superman. You know he'll pull through no matter what. oh well... did i like it? i guess it was ok. definitly not the summer blockbuster i expected.
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...if it weren't for the obvious fanboy love Harry has showered on this film from the word "jump," I'd almost applaud the animation as a symbol of the disrespect Singer has shown in attempting to re-animate Reeve's legacy while cutting the legs out from under it by saddling it with a sloppy, lazy script containing rehashed plot points and a gimmicky "kid" device.
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CLARK: "Hi Lois, where's Jason?" LOIS: "Dead."
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Word has it that Williams is being considered a serious contender.
In a recent interview with IGN, Robin Williams talked about the possibility of playing Joker in Batman Begins 2. While it is all speculation and the role is yet to be cast, it was an interesting interview.
Favorites for the role have not previously included Robin Williams name, but he does have ties with director Christopher Nolan. As such I wouldn't quite rule out the possibility, just take the news with a grain of salt.
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Dead-on review by Yackbacker for those of you who missed it.. I too feel that this kid situation is a bit uncomfortable for all characters involved.. It's quite funny, actually, I was sitting behind this guy at the movies who was constantly yelling at the screen (sounded like lil' john to be honest), and he was like 'Superman needs to pay some child support!'.. and during the scene when he was X-Raying in on the family and Lois 'Superman's a Peerv!'.. I had to chuckle! I mean, I was blown away to see the kid slam that piano the way he did, it was totally awesome, but 2 seconds later I sighed *oh man, this competely F**ks up my hopes for a sequel*.. My biggest disappointment after watching this movie was reading Kevin Smith's script of Superman Lives before watching this movie (also, I almost creamed when the storyline on the newspapers read 'superman is dead' and 'superman lives'.. I was SO hoping the sequel would be Superman Lives) But with this kid in the storyline, it's obviously going to HAVE to be about him, or him being the pawn in playing with Superman, it's a shame... And, I'm honestly starting to feel sorry for ol' Cyclops, EVERY movie I've seen him in, he's been nothing but a gentlemen but his chicks keep leaving him for the slightest glimpse of some muscle.. poor sap.. Oh well, my reccomendation, read the superman lives script, it's out there!! And use your imagination, it only takes 20 minutes, and it's much more enjoyable than this movie...
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Jun 28, 2006 5:23:06 PM CDT
That pic in the corner is HERCULES'S avatar, dressed up
by george newman
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I wouldn't even see it. The Joker's supposed to be scary, not some has been coked up douchebag.
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And flashing back to the time that he was offered the Joker for Tim Burton's "Batman" only to piss Nicholson off. No way he plays the Joker now. Nolan has established way too much credibility for the Batman franchise to play that card.
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either! Too funny.
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cmon, the kid is the whole thing!..you see in "doucheman returns 2", i obtain full custody of the kid and move into exile..but wait, theres more! our effeminate emowimp 'doucheman' must also avoid yet another nemesis; Maury! with whom footfetishLois are on a worldwide manhunt for child support and probably tax evasion. but douchman's worries and fruitless baby searches must be put aside; Zod, (cinema's greatest villain, not DarthVader) returns, not to again be ruler of Houston, but to participate and win as a one man team in the World Cup, and threatens to film and release "doucheman 3:men in tights" if he doesnt win the title or if mork is the joker.. see? i told ya Lex was bright. the saga continues..(to get worse)
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Just saw Superman Returns and Kate Bosworth was definetly miscast. She is twenty-three and she looks twenty-three. According to the movie timeline, her son is five years old. So, she has Jason, her son, when she is 18, impregnated by Superman possibly when she is 17. Need to gain a reputation as a great reporter so she started her career when she was...uh...say...13 years old. Her age blew the whole timeline that the movie attempts to establish. I could have bought the whole timeline aspect if they had just gotten and actress say, minimum 28. The same age as the Superman actor.
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...would be a stunt cast doomed to forever mar the movie the way Nicholson's simultaneously scenery chewing yet totally phoned in (in terms of actually attempting to inhabit any character other than himself) turn in Burton's original pretty much ruins that film for me now. In fact, Nicholson's non performance in that and Keaton's substantially better turn as Batman in "Returns" are what make the second film far and away my favorite of that ill-handled franchise and the only one I'll ever bother to try and catch if it's on cable. Don't get me wrong. Williams can do creepy insane, but he's the very wrongest kind of fit for the Batverse Nolan's created this time out. Another frumpy, balding, aging eccentric is not what we need here. We need a rake-thin, menacing, manic madman who is positively the only guy in the room who thinks he's funny. My short list of preferreds for this role includes: Sam Rockwell, Crispin Glover and Adrien Brody. If they were going to stunt cast it, I'd say go with Tom Cruise. There isn't a creepier grin in all of Hollywood. Ten years ago, I would've campaigned hard for Willem DaFoe, but after the Green Goblin there's really no point.
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http://i.askask.com/2002/06/worldcupfan.jpg
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and the invasion of Earth! C'mon Singer! You're a kid in the candy store, and no credit limit. Make it happen, fucker!
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those are my two picks....i reckon it will be paul bettany though....nolan will want to stack it with another brit won't he....
caine, bale, neeson, oldman, wilkinson......it was all brits. not thats there is anything wrong with that ... I have never even thought about it until now...I am not a bright man...anyway...adrien brody would be my muber one pick....lucas second....please not williams...the joker i imagine is tall and svelte....not short and hairy..... -
which is why it won't happen.
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Seriously, suggesting Robin Williams OR Crispin Glover for The Joker should automatically get you banned from any website related to film. Then again, such idiocy is a one-way ticket to writing screenplays for $250 million motion pictures, as evidenced by all the deficiencies of the screenplay of *Superman Returns* (without child support, milk, or an educational IRA).
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WTF is an "Eccleston" anyway?
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PLEASE FIGHT UWE BOLL!!! FIGHT HIM!!! pleasee pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Damn straight - that is AWESOME!
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the "doucheman returns II" teaser to be released july 4, 2007!!! location scouting and voice talent are being hired, stay tuned. the epic saga gets worse. upon hearing this news we immediatley received submissions from wannabe starlets like the (soccer fan linked above) even b-list actresses like this one here, (http://tinyurl.com/eg6ar) for the part of footfetish lois. however this woman's "talents" were not large enough for us. stay tuned. thanx for your support.
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Your dad may have pulled out. Couldn't resist.
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Am I alone in wanting to see that kid bite the bullet in the sequel from some villian, thus making Supes go postal and actualy kill some-one/thing.
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After seeing this movie I am left with only one option: I'm sitting down here and EATING MY WORDS!! Singer knocked this out park, as far as Im concerned. Is the movie perfect? Well, not really--its climax is a little weak (but still servicable, to my mind). However, despite that single flaw, the movie is pitch perfect in tone, characterization, and dialogue. Superman is NOT a deadbeat dad, nor is he depicted as one in this film; his surprise at the news of his son is CLEARLY evident. Indeed, Superman is shown to be a superman of good moral character, something that I'm very thankful for. Brandon Routh? He is Superman for the ages, perfectly building upon the base of Christopher Reeve and growing beyond, making the role his own. I cant tell you how many times I was smiling in dumbfounded awe at Routh's Superman; he was the perfect choice. Spacy's Luthor was equally perfect, to my mind. Yes, his plan was a bit shallow, but his character is emminantly enjoyable, ruthless, and commanding. I also have to admit that I was hooked from the moment the astounding opening credits rolled (The best opening reel, if you ask me) all the way to the superman/camera fly-by (by the way, bring some tissue--there is at least 1 scene that WILL make you tear up). And dont even get me started on the unbelievable effects and score. All in all, I enjoyed this truly adult-themed movie that dared to make us all feel like children-at-heart. Tonight, I saw a man fly and I don't think I'll ever forget it. This movie gets a solid A. Thank you, Singer
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'cause x3 was better than x2 and 1
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People didn't start dissing SUPERMAN 2 until they found out that Richard Donnor had been fired and replaced. Prior to having that knowledge, they LOVED it. If Donnnor had finished it and it turned out the EXACT SAME WAY, the naysayers would be foaming at the mouth, raving about it, even masturbating to it. Imagine what would happen if it were revealed that Stanley Kubrick was the real director of "Superman 4." The fanboys would try to convince you that it was the best in the series, Warners would re-release it, Ebert would give it 4 stars and Golan-Globus could be back in business.
And to all the homophobes who think Superman is gay...well, I guess that would be your worst nightmare since he could overpower you in the bedroom and who knows what would happen then...he wouldn't even need to slip you a date rape drug. But something tells me you'd be first in line to pick up your limited edition "Superman Returns" dildo.
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C'mon - at least spell the guy's name right.
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Since your all avid movie/TV/entertainment fans is it just me or have any of you noticed the progression to bastardise and reinvent America into a Jew looking and self identified nation. Commercials, mainstream TV, Movies are all submitting Americans as Jews or with Jewish facial features, as if to make America think we are all Jews too.
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All of you are going see this movie.
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NO DISSIN' THE CAP!!!
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FYI, IMAX doesn't adhere to THX certification. Their sound format is their own design. Something to do with the 80Hz rolloffs on all speakers that IMAX doesn't agree with.
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My only disagreement is that I thought Hackman was pretty lame and Spacey (who I'm not that big a fan of generally) a big improvement...although I haven't seen the "directors cut". I really see this as a transitional film, they made connections to the old ones, now they can move on to newer ideas in the sequels.
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Oh..okay...so...Superman's a dad. Hmf. It was well-done...but what the hell are they going to do for a sequel? I feel terrible now, not because I didn't like the movie...I actually thought it was great, awesome and all...in fact I had a grin plastered on my face during the credit sequence, though that could have been from hearing John Williams' score over big booming speakers for the first time in years...But..man...Am I the only one who hoped that the kid would die? I mean in a narrative sense, it would have been fitting, and all...another kind of reminder that Superman missed the boat...I hoped that he would die in the boat, and then Lois would tell Superman that he had a son, but now he's dead, and all that crap...God...I'm sick, I think. The kid was a great actor. But definitely should have died...because now, like the Spider-Man comics after Peter gets married, this story is all gayed up...***************************************NOW. For the blasphemers who talk trash about Superman II....That movie was a product of its time. Sorry it has things that remind people of what it was like in the gay old seventies/early eighties...but that's what was up! Things that make that movie rock? Fucking ZOD, bitches. "Oh, God..." "No...Zod."...."I'm a man with simple needs..." "What do you want?" "AUSTRALIA."...."Why do you say such things, when you know I will kill you for them?"..."COME SON OF JOR-EL..KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"...."There's a man who will never bow to you!" "Who is this fool?"....Dude, Zod rules. Fucking RULES. If they get to do Zod over for the sequel to this...get the dude who played Sexy Beast...Oh god would that be incredible. Or get Stamp again...man he ruled the frickin' world. Things that were gay, of course, there's no excuse for...like the fact that Superman has a cellophane S...or that he can turn himself into ice or something...or that he can point a finger and cause people to float...I will chalk that up to the Salkind family's fucked up European understanding of Superman, and the fact that Dick Lester was a ZORRO film director who didn't know DICK about Superman. I ignore that shit, holmes, because there are things you can't bitch about....Kryptonite hurts Superman because it's radioactive pieces of Krypton, changed by the explosion of the Red Sun of Krypton...the same kind of radiation that causes Superman to lose his powers....Dude, do a little research before you people bitch about something...Also, Kevin Spacey made me LOVE this movie...Dude, he does exactly what a criminal genius WOULD do to gain his vast fortune...Manipulate some old broad and her cannibal dogs to get the inheritance, and leave the family nothing but a wig. But five years of makin' with the love with that dessicated mass...BLEAH...which shows that Luthor is also criminally insane...Does this mean that Anna Nicole Smith is a criminal genius? No. She is mentally retarded...but also, criminally insane....Luthor's line at the end of the movie was fucking priceless... "I would trade ALL of our coconuts and every bit of your blood for ONE gallon of gasoline!" "But..what would we eat?"....Man, Kevin Spacey made this movie the best example of why Luthor is great...Yeah, he didn't think that perhaps people wouldn't want to live on Coal Island...but...he also figured Superman couldn't possibly lift up the whole kit and kaboodle into space and toss it away like garbage. Because Luthor, like in 1&2, thinks only as far as his little kill-switch...and forgets about the 'heroic' part of the hero. Anyway...if you like Superman, this movie was great. If you don't like Superman, or if you think that you might be homosexually attracted to the smooth on this Routh kid, (a midwestern term meaning basket, pouch, or "area") then don't go see it. Why is it that when a man wears panties outside of his stylish blue tights and leather cape, you immature assholes call it 'gay'? I mean, you wouldn't call a man with assless chaps and a riding crop in his mouth 'gay' if he had claws and a mutant healing factor, would you? Well, yeah, I would. So yes. If Singer's gay, this is how a gay guy sees Superman. At least his nipples aren't at half-mast throughout the flick. And Lois Lane needs something other than 'I'm Pouty Because I Missed Superman' in her face-bag. Anyway, loved the movie, of course I'll own it on DVD, gonna see it again tonight...if only for the scene where Parker Posey runs up on Spacey and slaps him. "You said all I had to do was PRETEND the brakes were out! You didn't have to CUT them!" "Men always now when women are pretending...Superman always knows."
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Oh..okay...so...Superman's a dad. Hmf. It was well-done...but what the hell are they going to do for a sequel? I feel terrible now, not because I didn't like the movie...I actually thought it was great, awesome and all...in fact I had a grin plastered on my face during the credit sequence, though that could have been from hearing John Williams' score over big booming speakers for the first time in years...But..man...Am I the only one who hoped that the kid would die? I mean in a narrative sense, it would have been fitting, and all...another kind of reminder that Superman missed the boat...I hoped that he would die in the boat, and then Lois would tell Superman that he had a son, but now he's dead, and all that crap...God...I'm sick, I think. The kid was a great actor. But definitely should have died...because now, like the Spider-Man comics after Peter gets married, this story is all gayed up...***************************************NOW. For the blasphemers who talk trash about Superman II....That movie was a product of its time. Sorry it has things that remind people of what it was like in the gay old seventies/early eighties...but that's what was up! Things that make that movie rock? Fucking ZOD, bitches. "Oh, God..." "No...Zod."...."I'm a man with simple needs..." "What do you want?" "AUSTRALIA."...."Why do you say such things, when you know I will kill you for them?"..."COME SON OF JOR-EL..KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!"...."There's a man who will never bow to you!" "Who is this fool?"....Dude, Zod rules. Fucking RULES. If they get to do Zod over for the sequel to this...get the dude who played Sexy Beast...Oh god would that be incredible. Or get Stamp again...man he ruled the frickin' world. Things that were gay, of course, there's no excuse for...like the fact that Superman has a cellophane S...or that he can turn himself into ice or something...or that he can point a finger and cause people to float...I will chalk that up to the Salkind family's fucked up European understanding of Superman, and the fact that Dick Lester was a ZORRO film director who didn't know DICK about Superman. I ignore that shit, holmes, because there are things you can't bitch about....Kryptonite hurts Superman because it's radioactive pieces of Krypton, changed by the explosion of the Red Sun of Krypton...the same kind of radiation that causes Superman to lose his powers....Dude, do a little research before you people bitch about something...Also, Kevin Spacey made me LOVE this movie...Dude, he does exactly what a criminal genius WOULD do to gain his vast fortune...Manipulate some old broad and her cannibal dogs to get the inheritance, and leave the family nothing but a wig. But five years of makin' with the love with that dessicated mass...BLEAH...which shows that Luthor is also criminally insane...Does this mean that Anna Nicole Smith is a criminal genius? No. She is mentally retarded...but also, criminally insane....Luthor's line at the end of the movie was fucking priceless... "I would trade ALL of our coconuts and every bit of your blood for ONE gallon of gasoline!" "But..what would we eat?"....Man, Kevin Spacey made this movie the best example of why Luthor is great...Yeah, he didn't think that perhaps people wouldn't want to live on Coal Island...but...he also figured Superman couldn't possibly lift up the whole kit and kaboodle into space and toss it away like garbage. Because Luthor, like in 1&2, thinks only as far as his little kill-switch...and forgets about the 'heroic' part of the hero. Anyway...if you like Superman, this movie was great. If you don't like Superman, or if you think that you might be homosexually attracted to the smooth on this Routh kid, (a midwestern term meaning basket, pouch, or "area") then don't go see it. Why is it that when a man wears panties outside of his stylish blue tights and leather cape, you immature assholes call it 'gay'? I mean, you wouldn't call a man with assless chaps and a riding crop in his mouth 'gay' if he had claws and a mutant healing factor, would you? Well, yeah, I would. So yes. If Singer's gay, this is how a gay guy sees Superman. At least his nipples aren't at half-mast throughout the flick. And Lois Lane needs something other than 'I'm Pouty Because I Missed Superman' in her face-bag. Anyway, loved the movie, of course I'll own it on DVD, gonna see it again tonight...if only for the scene where Parker Posey runs up on Spacey and slaps him. "You said all I had to do was PRETEND the brakes were out! You didn't have to CUT them!" "Men always now when women are pretending...Superman always knows."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ventriloquist_(comics) ...I just thought I'd add that link for those who are unfamiliar with this Batman villain. If Robin Williams was to portray the character, just imagine all the other dummy characters and voices he could add, though the "Scarface" dummy would be his Boss (so-to-speak) and his primary focus. This character could be something special for an actor like Robin Williams. And in turn, such a Batman flick could be something special for us. (What do you bet that someone on the movie set would yell out, "Hey! It's Batman and Robin!")
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You moron.
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Loved the movie, hope that we get to see some OTHER superman villians in the next. Kind of tired of Luthor. Lets bring on the Parasite, Brianiac and Bizzaro
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Eccleston, as in Christopher Eccleston. Try looking him up on IMDB or Wikipedia if you are unfamiliar with the dramatic actor.
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You sir, are a coconut. Meaning, you're a fruit, or a seed I suppose with a fruity center. I don't think I'll resort to name-calling against your intelligence. You're probably smart, because you are able to post messages on the internet, which involves a lot of technology. So, I will call you TO YOUR FACE ON THE INTERNET, a coconut. Or a ruby starfruit. Yeah. You're one of those. So there. However, my being a moron notwithstanding, the Salkinds *are* fucking insane, in case you haven't seen "Look, Up in the Sky", you probably haven't heard the son-Salkind admit that he didn't know a damned thing about Superman...And that Superman 3 didn't kill the series....but no, I'm a moron, you're a coconut, and the Salkinds had a FUCKED UP EUROPEAN UNDERSTANDING of Superman. Or..it could be that you're not a coconut at all! You...you're from Europe, I bet. You're from one of those countries over there that think they're so smart because they have, like, laws and nude beaches and kick-ass shows on TV where folks take off their gear! Well...I hope you weren't taking what I said about a fucking comic book movie producer being a little wacky about his Superman-Understanding as a blanket statement about all Europeans. Though, if you are going to step up to the plate, Vader, and represent Europe, you might want to do better than 'you moron'. I mean you guys came up with the Magna Carta for Flip's sake. (That's Flip Wilson, amazing American Comedian) Love you so much it hurts, Vader. Can we be friends?
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And no, I don't have to watch the doco to know that. Also, no I'm not European. I did think though that the simplistic namecalling of "You Moron" was a concise way to call attention to your lacking sense of sentence structure. If you look again at the "European understanding" line, of course it comes off like a blanket statement. The following bit about Lester is bizarre, as by that rationale, Donner should have fucked up the first Superman flick because he knew nothing about Superman, being some Omen/TV director who didn't know dick either. Thank God for Mankiewicz eh? Anyway, judging by your writing no I didn't really think you were a racist pig, I was just calling attention to the fact that the careless way you wrote implied exactly that. I do realise you were on a stream of semi-consciousness kick, what with all those widdle dots and all. Yes you're very funny. We can be friends. I love you too (sniff)! Finally, don't you just hate that double post. I wish these computer-y folks would make up their minds about what requires single or double clicks. Having said that, it is AICN and the talkbacks have been piss-poor for years - and there's a blanket statement I'll make for both of us. Double-finally, I agree with you about the kid (as I said the same thing a couple of days ago in the Mori/Supes thread). Great minds think alike (and the second half of that saying is - but fools seldom differ)! Peace.
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For Britain is part of the all powerful Anglo-American Empire. Respect! :)
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So. Lend me five dollars, and I shall forget you called me a moron. (still loving you, my friend) However, my point about Lester was just an off-the-cuff remark, though I would chalk up the strange choices in that movie up to Lester's not understanding the Superman character AND how superhero movies should work as well as being the Salkind family's do-boy. Donner didn't fuck up Superman the First, and he got fired because all the crazy shit they asked him to do (and he wisely refused) was just that: crazy shit. Lester didn't know dick about Superman, and furthermore didn't care about knowing dick, jane or sally about Superman. He wanted the loot. It is no coincidence that Superman the Second is seventy percent 'good' to thirty percent 'godawful'. As for sentence structure...I apologize. As for the 'widdle' dots, my apologies run forth like wine, good sirrah. For sooth, next time I shall use gargantuan dots that block out the very sun! And yes, I am aware that the Simpsons have already done that too, as well, also. Take that, grammar! XOXOXOXO
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