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3 Looks at David Fincher's CHRONICLES (formerly ZODIAC) test screening!!!

Hey folks, Harry here with one of the films that true filmlovers, like me, are frothing at the mouth to see. David Fincher's film about the Zodiac Killer investigations which is apparently receiving a name change to THE CHRONICLES" from "ZODIAC" to not be confused with that "other film". CHRONICLES refers to the San Francisco Chronicle which traced the investigation into who the Zodiac killer was for years. Before you read these - there's something you should realize. First - this movie isn't due for release till January 19th, 2007 - so this is a truly early Test Screening with the express purpose of helping David find his film and hone it to be the best it can be. And with Fincher's talent - I assure you - this film is only going to get leaner and better. Personally, I can't wait!

Dear Editor,

This is the test-screening viewer of the movie shown Thursday night at Grauman’s Chinese 6 near the Cold Stone Creamery in Hollywood. To prove I saw it I shall state some facts which only I and the filmmakers know.

1. Brand name of screener services The Screening Exchange

2. 3 shots were missing

3. the filmmakers sat in back with their feet to the floor

4. some more sat on the right side with their feet to the south

I want you to post this report on the front page of your website. If you do not post this report by the afternoon of Mon. 26th of Jun 06, I will go on a submission rampage Mon. night. I will surf the net all week sending my report to all competing cool news websites, until I end up with a dozen posts over the week.

"The Circle P"


The following is an extremely early look at David Fincher’s Zodiac. There are a few important prefaces I have to make. First of all, I had no idea what movie I was going to see walking into the screening, never heard of the movie until watching the film, and didn’t know that it was a David Fincher film until I looked it up on imdb after the screening. My reaction to the film is as pure as can be. While I have enjoyed some of his films, I am by no means a Fincher fan-boy and/or girl so my comments are bias free. On top of it all, this was an extremely early assembly cut of every scene shot from the script. The film ran just over three hours. With that being said, these comments are based on a very rough, unfinished film. I also won’t be getting into too many details out of respect for the filmmakers and the work in progress. But don’t you worry; I’ll give you enough to whet your appetites.

One of the most interesting things about the film is that I would have never guessed that this was a David Fincher film. While the film definitely has style, it’s much more seamless than some of his other films in which the visual style calls attention to itself. What we end up with is a very visually interesting movie that doesn’t attack your senses. The filmmakers did an excellent job capturing the 70’s to the smallest of details as well.

The first hour or so of the film focused on the Zodiac murders. Each of these scenes are thrilling and terrifying – more so than most horror films released these days. These events and their aftermath introduce us to the various protagonists of the film. Jake Gyllenhall plays a cartoonist at the San Francisco Chronicle who takes interest in the case and wants to crack it Hardy Boys style. Robert Downey Jr. (always a pleasure) plays an editor at the Chronicle who publishes articles on the Zodiac murders. Mark Ruffalo and Anthony Edwards play the primary investigators working on the case. Each of these actors, as well as the many other wonderful actors that I was surprised to see pop up in the film, give absolutely excellent performances. This was the kind of work that makes you forget you’re watching actors and not the characters themselves. As a result, the film is able to completely absorb you as a viewer into its world, and that’s always a good thing.

The rest of the film is focused on the wild goose chase that was the Zodiac investigation. Knowing little about the case and assuming the film stayed relatively close to the facts, I was amazed by how inefficient and uncooperative the various police departments and investigative agencies were in handling this case and how easily the Zodiac killer was able to get away with murder for so long when clearly, the evidence was all there. This part of the movie is where we most feel the length of the assembly cut. The investigation is so long and there is so much information to analyze that we become as frustrated as the characters on screen with their inability to solve the case.

Towards the end of the film when one of the characters finally starts to put all the clues together, the film picks up a quick rhythm again that holds until the end. We are treated to a few more thrills including a sequence which takes place in a house with a basement that I found particularly fun.

Final thoughts. Is the movie too long? Yes, but again, this film was still structurally unedited and uncondensed. With that in mind I would occasionally think about whether any of the scenes I had just seen were expendable. There is so much information that it was hard to come up with good answers. I don’t envy the filmmakers and editors that have to make those decisions. That being said, it was one hell of a show. The script was a masterful balance between horror, intrigue, and even some comedy. Despite the patches of time that you start to feel its length, the story still holds and engages you. I can’t wait to see the final condensed cut of Zodiac. This is a solid film that isn’t just for David Fincher fans, but for anyone who loves movies. The film plays like a great Hitchcock thriller and I can think of no greater compliment.

And to the lovely ladies and gents of The Screening Exchange: please do not try and decipher my identity so that you may blacklist me from all of your future screenings. I’m just a guy and/or gal who loves movies. And that’s exactly who your clients should and deserve to have see their movies in their creative stages.

P.S. WBHIJRBLFBIR

This next one comes from One Time Only and describes the film as being like a novel. That sounds grand.

Anyone over there interested in last night’s screening of David Fincher’s The Chronicles last night in Hollywood?

This was the most hush-hush screening I’ve ever been to. They didn’t tell us the name of the film until 30 seconds before it started. The invites listed nothing of the plot or stars. Lots of security hoops to jump through. I’d pretty much narrowed this one down to either the Black Dahlia, The Departed or the new Fincher (which in my head I still think of as Zodiac) and was beyond pleased it was the last one.

I go to test screenings all the time but never write-in because I think the filmmakers shouldn’t have to have their rough draft scrutinized on the net, but I’m breaking my silence on this one time because I’m concerned the film will get butchered by “the process.” As it stands now The Chronicles (or is it just Chronicles? Unsure) is over three hours long, it’s loose, it’s slow, it’s over-ambitious and it just might be a masterpiece.

I heard someone in the audience gripe that the film felt like a novel, which actually strikes me as a fair assessment. This is a seven-course meal no doubt about it. To call this “another serial killer film from Fincher” as I’d foolishly done in the past does an enormous disservice to the film. This is not Se7en 2. This is a serial killer film the way Heat is a cops and robbers film. This is a sprawling, unwieldy film with no easy pay-offs, no car chases no shoot-outs, none of the stuff we’ve become conditioned to expect from a serial killer film. This is a film about the work, specifically the futility and soul-deadening nature of tracking the Zodiac killer over the course of a decade and the tolls it takes on the various men involved in bringing him down.

The leads are Jake Gyllenhaal as Robert Greysmith a SF Chronicle cartoonist who spends much of the film following the Zodiac killings from the sidelines and Mark Ruffalo as David Toschi, the SF detective who’s leading the investigation. At various points, one man will dominate the film while the other will recede into the background for quite a bit of time as the film focuses on different approaches towards finding Zodiac. Ruffalo’s always been a favorite of mine, but the shocker here is Gyllenhaal who I’ve never liked in anything till this. His boyishness really suits the character and it’s impressive just to watch how tired and haggard and paranoid he gets by the film’s end. We really watch him age in a very realistic way (as opposed to the porno ‘stache and bad wig in Brokeback Mountain). Gyllenhaal has a great scene w/ John Carroll Lynch in a paint store where almost nothing is said between them but it’s just such a startling and expressive moment of physical acting.

But really this is an ensemble film and everyone feels just right. Robert Downey Jr. is Paul Avery the journalist who originally wrote about Zodiac and Downey Jr. plays him somewhere between fey and perpetually stoned that really works and gives the film some color and humor. Elias Koates and Donal Logue show up as police investigators from neighboring counties who are also along for the investigation. Really surprised to see Anthony Edwards in this large a part as Ruffalo’s partner. Forgot how good an actor he can be.

What’s most surprising is how “un-Fincher-like” it all is. No show-offy cgi-aided shots (the only cgi I saw were some unfinished shots used to recreate San Francisco of the 70’s), no bleach-bypass ultra-black blacks or dank muddy browns. The film has a real naturalistic look to it and much of the first hour reminded me of All the President’s Men. It was all shot on digital by Harris Savides and it really looks fantastic. I’m sure they’ll be tweeking it tons before it’s released but I hope they don’t stray too far from what it looks like now.

What I really responded to was how the film doesn’t glorify police work and how frustrating the job can be when your gut tells you one thing but the evidences tells another. The film openly acknowledges Zodiac’s influence on pop culture: at one point all of the characters go to see Dirty Harry, which gives us Clint blowing away the killer while in real life the detectives were left feeling helpless by do-process and muddy evidence trails. The film doubles back on itself multiple times, spitballing idea and new suspects, dismissing them, coming up with new suspects only to return to old ones. You really come away from it with a real respect for detectives and how consumed they become by their work.

The film mostly reminded me of HBO’s “The Wire” as it just nails the minutia of police work and epiphanies aren’t these grand dramatic moments but often something you quietly discover. This is a film of small victories and defeat stretched out over the course of years. It’s rather depressing but not in the way Fincher’s previous films have been. Ultimately, this is Fincher’s JFK (only way less bugfuck visually). Those familiar with the Zodiac case know there’s nothing terribly cinematic about its resolution and the film adheres to real life. This is a really challenging, smart and (if I can use a dirty word) uncommercial film right now and I suspect there’s going to be a lot of pressure to change it to cut it down to 2 hours or to add a chase scene or some such nonsense. People who really love film, will love this film. People who want to see Ashley Judd kill the serial killer by minute 95 will despise it, it’s just that simple.

It’s not a perfect film, but I’m omitting my criticism because I’m trying to get enough buzz going about this thing that they won’t slice and dice it till it’s generic and common so they can get an extra showing a day on opening weekend. This is the sort of film we should pushing for like Munich or The New World. Yes it’s in the same category/class as those films. I can’t believe I have to wait six months to see this again.

Fincher was there talking to one of the suits afterwards. I had to walk past him on the way out. I wanted to tell him how incredible I thought the film was but that struck me as stepping over a line, so I kept my mouth shut.

If you have to call me anything call me One Time Only, because I’m going dark.

Next is Culan Delphi's look at Fincher's latest. He feels there's a bit too much humor to it all... Here ya go...

I was fortunate enough to attend a screening this past Thursday June 22nd of what I think was the first cut of the movie Zodiac directed by David Fincher. I will try and keep this brief as I do not like long winded reviews.

For those of you who do not know who the Zodiac killer was, do a wikipedia search.

I was lucky enough to have read the script several months ago and although a long read (close to 200 pages) I thought that the script was very entertaining and had some great creepy moments. Basically, the material was there on the page for a good movie.

So, did that translate to the screen? Not yet. At least not in the current form that the movie is in. What is wrong with the movie? Too much humor. I don't mean unintended humor where the audience is laughing at the absurdity of what they are seeing, I mean there were genuinely funny moments that deserved laughs and got them but just too many of them. I felt that the movie was too light for the subject matter it was dealing with. When I read the script I had a feeling that this was going to be a "Seven" type movie in tone. Not so much with visuals but more with the mentality of the killer. As it stands right now it is not. Also, some of the key scenes that would set up just how messed up and scary this killer is have been altered. Lines have been taken out that were scary has hell reading them and would have played out wonderfully on screen. For some reason, Fincher and, I am sure, others have decided to not use or have changed the scenes. In my opinion the change was for the worst.

The acting is superb. Mark Ruffalo and Anthony Edwards are great as detectives Toschii and Armstrong. Gyllenhaal is good, albeit a little too young, as cartoonist Robert Graysmith. Downey Jr. comes across well as a newspaper columnist writing for the San Fran Chronicle who has a drinking problem.

I believe that there is a good movie there but there is still some editing that needs to be done.

-MINOR SPOILER-

To David Fincher:

Please put the line "I'm going to throw your baby out the window" back in the movie. I was waiting for that line and the gasp from the audience that would have followed but instead you robbed me and them of a wonderfully horrific moment. Re-edit that scene. As it is now you've completely sucked the wind out the sails of that scene. Damn you.

I apologize if this review wasn't much of a review but I do not want to spoil the movie for anyone. I wanted to let people in the know that they need to change some things and give us, the fans, a damn fine film. Thanks for reading.

Culan Dephi

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  • June 24, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    ein

    by cyanide christ

  • June 24, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Fincher!

    by future help

    Faust First Foist Fill my void

  • June 24, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    I had almost forgotten about this film.

    by cyanide christ

    Now I'm excited about this all over again.

  • June 24, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Disappointed in the name change...

    by DanielKurland

    I like Fincher a lot, like Gyllenhal, and Downey Jr., and I have doen a lot of research on the killer and it IS pretty interesting stuff, but Zodiac is a much better title. I suppose it does make sense, but still. Let's hope it's a good movie.

  • June 24, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait!

    by forensic_guy

    Been looking forward to this one ever since it was revealed that Fincher was attached. Here's hoping they don't wimp-out and cut it back to 120 minutes or less. Here's to January 2007!

  • June 24, 2006, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Fincher is the goods

    by jackinitraw

    Now work with Jim again. This I command.

  • June 24, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Has Kristen Bell'Pulse' been postponed again?

    by paulh

  • June 24, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Has Kristen Bell's 'Pulse' been postponed again?

    by paulh

    I've only heard a rumor that it was - can anyone confirm (since it was supposed to be out 7/14)

  • June 24, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Gyllenhaal's aging in Brokeback was...

    by Captain Katanga

    ...bloody well done, so take that remark back! Thats all I have to say. Film sounds superb...

  • June 24, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Why January now?

    by McGsStepson

    I've been thinking that since I read about the postponement a month ago. It worked for SILENCE OF THE LAMBS - but I have a feeling that was more Orion not knowing what the fuck they had on their hands, what with Demme having just shot a completely different and far from universally critically praised (but fantastic) film in MARRIED TO THE MOB. I mean even February would be less puzzling. Eh, I'm excited. We'll see.

  • June 24, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST

    PaulH, PULSE is now September 8th.

    by McGsStepson

    Too bad - was looking forward to it in July.

  • June 24, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Based on Graysmith's insane babbling & falsifications?

    by SalvatoreGravano

    With thrice-cleared Arthur Allen named as the culprit? Lovely! What other idiocies are there? Does Graysmith still "solve" the 340-character crypt? Does Graysmith's non-Zodiac still use the laughable "light machine", so that Graysmith can ignore the handwriting analysis? Oh, and, incidentally, does the film feature that proud chapter in Graysmith's life when he was terminated for repeated plagiarisms?

  • June 24, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST

    By the way, I'd welcome Lawrence Kane's review of this.

    by SalvatoreGravano

    "That would be a hoot, wouldn't it, Harv?"

  • June 24, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    The guy who wrote the first review sounds like DOUCHE

    by MattyBoomStar

    Seriously. "If you don't post this I by this date I will send it out to everyone"....what a fucking jack ass. Trust me bro, no one gives a fuck about you enough to black list you from ANYTHING.

  • June 24, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST

    ^- The reviewer parodies Zodiac's Lake Herman letter...

    by SalvatoreGravano

    Cluelessness riding cluelessness, with cluelessness in the carriage...

  • June 24, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    "Fincher-like"=Darius Khondji???

    by lutz

    I looked it up in IMDB and it doesn't look like he is attached for cinematography. Though the directer is ultimately responsible for how the film looks I wonder if a lot of what people associate as "Fincher-like" has to do more with the specific and unique cinematography Darius Khondji has employed through Finchers successful films?

  • June 24, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    We love that Chronic-what-cles of Zodiac!

    by Lando Griffin

    Or maybe its in reference to the San Francisco Chronicle paper. No matter because a couple of summers back there was an ABC 20/20 special about the anniversary of Zodiac and that fuckin special scared the shit out of me. Late at night, family went to bed, I was the only one up, all the lights were out. They had this creepy voice reading the Zodiacs letters, kind of the like the Jigsaws puppets voice - "This is the Zodiac." They showed sketches of him in his hooded mask - creepy! And it takes a lot to creep me out. They reenacted the murders at the Lake where he just walked up in broad daylight on that couple, with the hood on. Almost shat my pants I tell ya.

  • June 24, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    If the Zodiac is still around, I'm sure he'd say...

    by JustinSane

    "This is the Zodiac speaking - change the name back to 'Zodiac'. 'Chronicles' sounds so pedestrian." In code, of course. Did anyone else see the super-cheesy 1970s "Zodiac" film that they made esentially so that they could catch him? They had a contest in the lobby of the theater - you were supposed to fill out a card that began "The Zodiac kills because..." and then drop it in a box - which had a detective inside, reading all the notes in case the REAL Zodiac filled one out! Hilarious! I wonder if they'll include that in the new movie...

  • June 24, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Fincher

    by THE KNIGHT

    Lets hope the 3hr meaty cut survives.... This man doesn't have final cut by now? Oh and Spielberg owned all of you with Munich... Need I say more?

  • June 24, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Elias Koteas? I'm there dude.

    by Doc_Strange

    Maybe we'll see some Casey Jones style ass kicking? Ahhh maybe not. Still, it's a Fincher flick and aside from Panic Room and Alien 3, his films have been awesome.

  • June 24, 2006, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Lando: Lol

    by emu47

    Very nice.

  • June 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Harry if you don't post my comment first I'll a . . .

    by USSJONES

    That dude was a douche! The movie sounds cool, but dude needs to get over himself!

  • June 24, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    I'm very excited.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    Fincher is one of the best directors working out there today in my opinion. I even liked his take on the Alien saga more than Jeunet's. I'll definately be seeing this one.

  • June 24, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Jan 19th?? eeek

    by TheSeeker7

    Damn that long? Fincher's my favorite modern director and we've been too long without something from him!!! (though it will be nice that it's coming the week of my birthday :)

  • June 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    fincher's kind of a toolbag but...

    by occula

    ...i'm always up for an 'all the president's men' kind of serial killer movie. ps, i think the first poster was kidding, guys. or, rather, i hope he/she was. pps, i can't believe i just wrote he/she.

  • June 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    It'll be nice to see a non-crappy January movie release

    by Osmosis Jones

    For a change.

  • June 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Jee-zus you guys read the other posts! Salvatore explai

    by half vader

    -ned why the first reviewer wrote it that way. Although I didn't know about the Zodiac's letters it was pretty obvious that was the idea. Sheesh._____________When does the 'other' Zodiac film come out anyway (you did realise this is why they changed the Fincher film's name, right Daniel?)?

  • June 25, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST

    If marketing gets their way, it will be titled "8IGHT"

    by Karl Hungus

    Looking forward to this, I guess.

  • June 25, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    PANIC ROOM

    by godoffireinhell

    was pretty bad. I'm not saying it was unwatchable but I wonder what happened to Fincher after FIGHT CLUB. Alcoholism? Drugs? Depression?

  • June 25, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Now that we have some reviews...

    by movieman742

    is there any chance of finding this script so we can read it? I would love to get my hands on it. I have been wanting to see this movie since it was announce, with the cast and Fincher it sounds like it's going to be amazing.

  • June 25, 2006, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Downey= Fincher's smack connection

    by gride9000

    This should be great. I'm glad he's sticking with the humor, because the jokes in Panic Room were dam goood. Stick with what you know. How are we going to understand the story without some drawn out cgi dolly into a wall or some shit. And no Dust Brothers. Get John Willy on that shit make it sound like poltergeist. I really just want to see another George Michael video with all those girls borat calls prostitute.

  • June 25, 2006, 1:05 a.m. CST

    names

    by gride9000

    in interest of acutually contributing to the conversation I will compile the names we think they should call this movie..... 1. 8ight....... 2. Chronicals of Zodiac....... 3. Write Club....... 4. Panic Doom....... 5. That other game.

  • June 25, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    I actually didn't read the first review..

    by Dolph

    ..because the reviewer sounded, as us English call it, a C*NT!

  • June 25, 2006, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Well written script but, Zodiac is a better title.

    by Uncapie

    I'm mean, what? Chronicles of the Zodiac? Do we see a knife wielding lion roaming San Franciso? I mean, what-the-fug?! What's the story about? Chronicles or Zodiac? How stupid are you execs? This was the best written script I've read in last year's batch. Oscar stuff. The "baby" line must be kept in the film. Its one of the most terrifying moments. I agree about the humor. Cut it down. Reshoot, if you must. The dark humor cop talk is works though. I hope they kept the original ending too. Brilliant stuff!

  • June 25, 2006, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah Dolph,

    by L. Duderino

    the guy is an @ssh@t, but his review is pretty good. Anyways, I'm really looking forward to this movie.

  • June 25, 2006, 3:10 a.m. CST

    read the script

    by hank quinlan

    about a year agao. Amazing piece of screenwriting. Only the worst of hacks would have a hard time fucking up Vanderbilts draft, let alone David Fincher. Even though it didn't have the sorts of Hollywood moments you would expect, it was entertaining in the way All the Presidents Men is. Very compelling. I really can't wait to see it. I also want to see the DV look. I hate DV but I'm sure the movie should rise above it given the elements involved. Vanderbilts script for Against All Enemies was equally as amazing given the subject matter. I worry Haggis will fuck it up. Really there's no reason to change a word.

  • June 25, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Plants on a plane?

    by Zardoz

    Heh-heh! Just kidding. Seriously, I hope it's as good as these reviewers claim; I love Fincher's work, and it's been too long since his last film...

  • June 25, 2006, 3:15 a.m. CST

    I don't get the Fincher-Hype

    by DerLanghaarige

    Yes, "Fight Club" is brilliant, the best film of the 90's (Seriously!) but except for this, he never did anything special. It's not only that "Seven" had a stupid script (In the second half), even visually it'S not the original masterpiece, that many people think it is. Dario Argento made better looking movies more than 20 years before!

  • June 25, 2006, 5 a.m. CST

    Can't wait for this

    by Babyshamble

    Mark Ruffalo, Jake Gyllenhaal and Robert Downey Jr are all fantastic, so I hope the film lives up to it's promise. I didn't hate Panic Room I was just very Meh about it, I wouldn't watch it again any time soon. Fight Club on the other hand I could watch over and over. If anything this film sounds intelligent and interesting which is too fucking rare at the moment. Oh and to the third reviewer I'm sure Fincher didn't cut that line out to personally spite you. The damn you! was a bit heavy handed. And the first reviewer? you are indeed a cunt.

  • June 25, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Finchy Finch Finch

    by tompbeast

    I love Fight Club, don't like Panic Room(Jodie one face Foster!)Seven was amazing! this looks too cool! and not flashy in an MTV way which his previous efforts all have so that's good, and the name change doesn't really bother me as long as the movie is good, they could call it 'Finchy Finch Finch' and I'd watch it.

  • June 25, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    the first reviewer

    by Dollar Bird

    All those who are calling he 1st reviewer "a douche", or "a cunt", or "a choad whore", or whatever are a bunch of nitwits. He's parodying the types of letters that the Zodiac killer wrote. Zodiac would write "If you don't print this on the front page..." kind of stuff. Really, didn't any of you ever watch a documentary or read about this stuff before?

  • June 25, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Sounds good so far to me

    by moviemaniac-7

    Time for another Fincher movie!

  • June 25, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Don't bother, Dollar Bird

    by half vader

    I tried it earlier, and everyone's too busy slagging the reviewer off and feeling superior. I didn't know about that stuff either but the mannered writing = serial killer is so obvious you can work out that that's what he was getting at anyway. Lame maybe, but not 'cunt'-worthy. Everyone's ripping on the stupid title too because they haven't worked out there's another movie called Zodiac released beforehand. They are right that it's lame though. The other flick should have to change theirs. Or they should both be called Zodiac and see who swims - I mean it's not like you can copyright a real person's 'name' (yeah I know, marketing reasons etc.), is it? How many fucking magazines are called 'Edge'?!

  • June 25, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Fall '06? Maybe,,,

    by wash

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/06/zodiac_oscar_pl.php I'm looking forward to this purely as a cinematic experience. I hope people aren't expecting this to be an accurate portrayal of how things happened...Graysmith's account has been pretty thoroughly debunked.

  • June 25, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    In which case, I apologise..

    by Dolph

    ...don't really know anything about the case. Good review, and I would pay to watch Fincher direct traffic, so I'm there!

  • June 25, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I reckon Jan 19th will be the wide release...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...if the studio have a potential critical smash on their hands - and with this kind of talent on board, it's obvious they're gonna open it Xmas day at one cinema to qualify for award season - why would they drop something like this in January and forget about it? Unless it's Fincher wanting a slightly a-typical release date.

  • June 25, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Can't wait!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • June 25, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Such a huge fan.

    by Christopher3

    My favorite Fincher flick is "The Game." Best '70s conspiracy thriller homage, with lots of nods to Pakula. So this is his version of "All the Presidents Men"?

  • June 25, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST

    what does bugfuck mean?

    by Maniaq

    "only way less bugfuck visually" - anyone care to illuminate me?

  • June 26, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    will there be boobies

    by gride9000

    ????????????????????

  • June 26, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Rama?

    by jimbubble

    What ever happened to Rendezvous with Rama?? Let`s be honest Fincher has made 2 good movies in "Fight Club" and"The Game" everything else is Hollywood tat! He is more suited to production,and making dvd compilations for past it pop stars!

  • June 26, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Post this report on the front page of your site.

    by Zarles

    Do not try to debate me on this.

  • June 26, 2006, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Jarv, and Seven hataz

    by half vader

    It IS his worst film (second act sucks arse - first and third acts are great), but still better than what most others turn out, and definitely better than the unbelievably bad Resurrection (and I LOVE Jeunet). Which Fincher film do you think is actually his worst? _______________ - And what's with everyone lately and their "It's cool to trash Seven" garbage? Go back and watch that thing again! For a flick that plays with the conventions where you never see the killings yet retains the suspense (and fucked up so many bimbos who didn't bother to notice what the flick was about and went in for a Brad Pitt perve) - well, I just don't undestand why it's so cool to rag on it. My aren't we superior in our little corner of the world! Why aren't you directing your scorn at the moronic Ashley Judd/Morgan Freeman films? THEY deserve it!

  • June 26, 2006, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Make this post FIRST! in the TB...

    by brycemonkey

    otherwise I will post on every other TB and cool alternative sites until I am indeed FIRST!!!!

  • June 26, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Seriously though...

    by brycemonkey

    really stoked for this. Fincher is a truely exciting talent. He has a great visual style but can also tell a story (Tony Scott take note!). Anyone that doesn't think that Seven, The Game, and Fight Club are very good doesn't know shit. People only rag on Alien 3 and Panic Room cos they are only good, as opposed to fantastic. I have great hopes for this.

  • June 26, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Ha! Nice Tony Scott slap!

    by half vader

    What must his brother think of him, deep down, not to his face?

  • June 26, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST

    First one is a plant

    by Dannychico

  • June 26, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    zuh-zuh-zuh-Zodiac, zuh-zuh-zuh-Zodiac

    by durhay

  • June 26, 2006, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Why?

    by KYUSS_UK

    Strange title and why so late to change it?

  • June 26, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    First reviewer is annoying, gay *and* a plant

    by Doc_McCoy

    Seriously, you need a beating.

  • June 26, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Kyuss your answer is further up the TB

    by half vader

    Sometimes if you look -before - you ask, you can save yourself some typing! ;)

  • June 26, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    wasn't this movie made in the 70s?

    by white owl

    That one guy from Heartbreak Ridge was in it. You know.. he had the big gun.

  • June 27, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Fincher is nuts.

    by AnnoyYou

    This movie took forever to shoot (mostly because Fincher is nuts), went way over budget, and now with these reviews appears to be something so convoluted and unwieldy that of course it's missing a Christmas opening and is now consigned to the no-man's-land of January 2007. Too bad; I think it could have been a great film in the right hands.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Zodiac movies

    by sandy betts

    I have seen all of the z movies and most were just ok. I have high hopes for this one to be closer to the truth about how the police did not work together on this case.I believe the Zodiac knew that they wouldn't, and that is why he killed in different counties.I worked in vallejo when he killed there in 68 and 69. I was followed by a olderman who stole my coil wire out of my car in 68 in Vallejo. I believe to this day that he most likely was the Zodiac.The man who followed me back then is still alive and enjoys trying to scare me. I have been shot at ( he missed ),I have notes that I have been told is very much like the Zodiacs printing.In the beginning I recieved a love note,ending with fighting the urge to add, non plussed.It was signed "More than just friends" I have his DNA,printing,and had a costume put in my car, that could very well be the one used at the Lake Berryessa stabbing with the black hood.When I found it I thought it was just someones Halloween costume.It is unbelievable that I am still alive,and so it is thought that it must be a copy cat.I was stalked so many yrs that the police asked me to take his picture. In Aug.1990 I took his picture and recieved a threat on my phone by the time I got home.I believe taking his picture has saved my life and members of my family that he has made threats to.It was posted on a web site Zodiac Vortex. He was named Larry Kane ( not his real name just a aka).I would like conformation that he is in fact Larry Kane,or R.Hernandez.Like in the upcoming movie the police are sitting on their hands waiting for the Zodiac to give himself up.Thanks for letting me vent.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Zodiac movie

    by sandy betts

    Dear Editor, I am waiting with bated breath to see this movie,even though it it based on a book that has alot of untruths. I like Robt.Graysmith and his books very much.While this book/movie was being made the police found that the #1 suspect Art Allen was not the zodiac.Some of us have our own suspects, mine is still alive and has been seen in vallejo.After 37 yrs he still calls and stops in front of my home just to let me know he is still around.I believe he has kept his word and has changed his way of collecting slaves for his after life.He once wrote that he would no longer let the police know who and when he would kill.I will be sitting in the back row of the theater,just in case he is there at the same time as I,lol.Anyone interested in seeing my suspect can see him at the Zodiac Vortex web site.Suspects aka is Larry Kane.A known suspect by some police.

  • Feb. 23, 2010, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Dear Editor

    by TheUmpireStrokesBach

    &thinsp;&thinsp;&thinsp;<br><br>This is the Zodiac speaking.<p>&oplus;