June 21, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST
by JeanLuc Dickhard
June 21, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST
June 21, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST
Is this based on Eastman and Laird's original comic series or is this just another watered down kid flick?
June 21, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST
If that Spidey 3 poster would be made into a 3-D one. As in, they would convert some of it for IMAX 3-D like they've done for Superman Returns.
June 21, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . Iorek's armor is too thin!!! It's coming . . . .
June 21, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST
June 21, 2006, 8:25 a.m. CST
by Boba Fat
is about a giant, kung fu penguin who takes out a bald guys. Thanks for the Spoiler!!
June 21, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST
So Chris Weitz is back on board to write and direct. Not exactly exciting or encouraging news, but then again, this is a series of books that may be better off being left alone. Will it simply be turned into Narnia? Iorek looks like he walked out of a Frazetta painting.
June 21, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST
I've read the 1st and 2nd books in this series, about 100 pages into the 3rd, and I gotta say, I just don't know how they're going to market this story. I know I'm gonna get some flack for this, but this story is just not going to sell as is. The wholesale killing of children that takes place in the first story alone is just going to turn people away, and the worst thing they can do is market it for little kids. That, coupled with the overall series theme of basically overthrowing God/The Authority makes this a marketing nightmare, there will be demonstrations anywhere they dare show it. I think the only one that could have succeeded with this story is Studio Ghibli, with Hayao Miyazaki firmly in place to direct. Miyazaki has a good record with unusual stories with young female leads, and when it comes down to it, being a foreign film it wouldn't attract so much controversy.
June 21, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST
They look to be in great shape, not at all like the turtles in the duck pond. Lazy bastards always lying there on hot rock with their fat legs hanging out, begging a predator to snap. I hope they still like pizza and have that one turtle who sounds like a surf nazi. Haha. He's funny. Good stuff all around. Will Vanilla Ice be in this one?
June 21, 2006, 8:45 a.m. CST
Another fucking penguin movie, will Morgan Freeman be coming back for this one?
June 21, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST
by Sam Raimi's Car
I hear that it is going to be based on the comics. But maybe that was back when john woo was maybe gonna do it. I soooo love the comics. I would love to see it take place after the first movie. Or even have the turtles do the storyline where they explore TCRI and get translocated to Peblak and fight the Triceratons. Actually, that weirdo space stuff might even work better animated. yea i said peblak. ^-^
June 21, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST
Some of the worst writing I have ever read. Pullman rights like a good damn child, or someone who had no idea where their plot was going until they were in the midst of writing it and than whatever he thought he wanted to write next at that moment wrote. You need a skeletal structure, archetypal characters, and a moving plot for a novel... not just random splooging on pages. The worst book I've ever read. I mean the kid smokes in it... and i dont think he understands what he's saying when he's making fun of tolkien, and c.s. lewis for their writing. I'm sure he just doesn't like their christianity, because his writing does not compare at all.
June 21, 2006, 8:49 a.m. CST
Still better than pullman's grammar and spelling. gypsies and abusive wizards... pffft
June 21, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST
Not sure what else to say. Here's a thread with some other TMNT movie pics: http://tinyurl.com/zcn8k
June 21, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST
Apparently, we will finally see an authentic representation of those Teenage Turtles we've seen before. First time director Kevin Munroe is writing (with consultation with "Turtles" co-creator Peter Laird) and directing this CG venture scheduled to be released next March. No voice talents have been announced as of yet, but we will keep you appraised of any developments as they happen. http://www.thewatchtowernews.com/features/
June 21, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST
is it any good? the book that is... what's it like? i've never heard of it...
June 21, 2006, 9:08 a.m. CST
Kind of uses the architecture to mimic the silver webbing on a black suit. And, that Golden Compass thing looks to be da shiznat!
June 21, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST
Big blurry Spidey coming at ya! Not very inspired but the movie will rock. Hard. Happy Feet and Turtles = MEH! Golden Compass, an inteligent, dark adaptation of Milton's Paradise Lost which shifts between universes, in an epic story culminating in a trip through hell itself, and a showdown with God and the Angelic Host. All used as a metaphore for becoming an adult and coming to terms with what God means to you. Great book, terrible movie. And I didn't think you could make an armour-plated polar bear look bad...
June 21, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST
All people have their own personal pet/familiar and they're called d
June 21, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST
Is Ben Affleck, uh, "playing" a turtle?
June 21, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST
I think it
June 21, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST
by half vader
? And no Morgan Freeman, but a fistful of Robin Williams-sessss!___________I want to see the French version of March where they have funny voiceovers!
June 21, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST
If I had one (minor) complaint it would be that sometimes he was a bit lazy and the story 'jumped' to a point that could have been written. And that the plot narrative is fairly obvious as to where it's going. Other than that I cannot complain, your synopsis is spot on.
June 21, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST
June 21, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST
Let the religious crazies froth at the mouth. Or not. They didn't really seem to care about "Da Vinci Code."
June 21, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST
They just did. I read them all because of a great review in the NYT book review. Slogged through. I read the first Harry Potter book, hated it too. But it had more to it than the Golden Compass, which is just a rehash of old fantasy ideas (albeit not awful ones, and that charge can of course be leveled against most fantasy which is, by nature, backward-yearning). ...If you want a good YA fantasy try "The Dark is Rising." Or, of course, Madeline L'Engle. ...If I were a producer looking for a fantasy property (to make money, not my favorites) I'd look to Tad Williams and, especially, Zelazny's Amber. Because they have great imagery, fun moments, fanbases, but are structurally awful enough that everyone would forgive heavy tailoring for the screen. ...Now, if I wanted to make my favorites I'd go for Gene Wolfe's "The Book of the New Sun." And (with the same advantages as TW and RZ) Elric. ELRIC. Pulp, but amazing pulp.
June 21, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST
His Dark Materials Books suck? Bollocks. I thought the books were outstanding, although I personally didn't like some parts fo them I had to admire the way they were written (beautifully for the most part) and the impressive scope and imagination involved. The Northern Lights (G Compass) is a great book, but I thought the last chapter felt rushed. The Subtle Knife is a fantastic book and my personal favourite and the third and final book, the Amber Spyglass is brilliant but I didn't enjoy certain aspects of it as much as others. Personally I can't wait for this. ut what's the discussion about daemons relating to earlier. What have they changed?
June 21, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST
Have you read a lot of fantasy? If not, that may be the reason for our difference of opinion. For me there wasn't a moment, or one feeling, in those books, which hasn't been done better in other works. But if, perchance, you are not widely read in the genre (or have read mostly its crummier entries of which there is much), then I can see why you'd think it's good.
June 21, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST
on The Dark is Rising. Susan Cooper is wonderful. Alan Garner too. They don't really write British children's fantasy like that anymore. Everything is supposed to be marketed globally; so you get cod-Englishness like Harry Potter instead of the old Celtic and Anglo-Saxon themes that were such a feature of UK kid's fantasy in the past. Strange that you should mention Madeline l'Engle; I thought that Pullman resembled l'Engle more than anybody else. The Meg Murray books, anyway. His Dark Materials may have been jumpy and it seemed to be quite speedy for something that was trying to grapple with really colossal themes; consciousness? Killing God? Death and the afterlife? Motherhood? Mental illness? Human sexuality and love? String theory ad the cosmos? All that in three books. Basically HDM is a exercise in philosophy aimed at children and dressed up as a story. How much you like that will dictate how much you enhoy the books. The ideas that Pullman quite unahamedly espouses are quite likely to be repulsive to anyone who adheres to mainstream religious dogma. If you have an enlightenment liberal background, you'll love them. And I think we've have quite a lot of monotheistic dogma dressed up as fantasy shoved at the kids, (Aslan's bully pulpit) so any kind of balance is to be valued.
June 21, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST
THERE'S a badly written plate of tripe. Godawful derivative slime. And the wunderkind? It's bad enough letting kids dominate the visual culture without handing literature over to the glib little shits too. You know what's a pretty awful read at times, is repetitive and derivative and yet still manages to attain moral and thematic magnificence? The Thomas Covenant books. I know that they're not for kids but I'd kill to see a film treatment.
June 21, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST
Wow, I'd forgoten about them. It would be great, but I bet by the time the studio was done with them they would be Narnia for Grown Ups and probably starring Nic Cage. :-P
June 21, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST
Can't you see it? It's...no, wait...it's just blurry.
June 21, 2006, 11:26 a.m. CST
By your conditions I should have loved the books, but I didn't. I like what it wanted to be, but not it's level of success at achieving that.
June 21, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST
It is a mess and a very disappointing read. It was full of two dimensional characters, and awkwardness.Iit gave off an inability to understand what a young girl might be feeling and what thoughts and logic would be going through her head. She seems spoilt sometimes then turns into a caring person the next and back again. Pullman invents these spectacular daemons that are sort of attached to each one of these characters as a part of their soul and a window into them. He uses daemons as an imaginative literary device to show people's emotions and souls but still manages to make the characters seem uninspired. It was such a letdown. Asriel and mrs. coulter seem very uninspired and you dont understand why they're doing what their doing half the time. The whole thing seems like a hallucination by pullman. Surem I agree with the message that the church can be dangerous. I mean I love that message. It's true today more than ever it was, but only if pullman actually made that shine through more often, but it seems almost like an afterthought. I dont see any consistent points in it on issues of religous around: propaganda, demonizing women, historical martyrs, an inconsistent bible, religious consistency on forgiveness, abortion, suicide, same-sex marriage, scapegoats, and betrayal. These issues are never deeply or never explored at all. He doesn't create a culture, or history for these characters and races either. There is no variation of languages, and customs within his universe. Tolkien atleast had internal consistency and logic to his books. Every race had a culture, a meaning to their existence, and an awe about them. Golden compass is just far too bizarre. It just seems like Pullman was sitting around stoned one day, and was like okay hmm let's put some gypsies in it now without really ever studying up on gypsies or giving them a history or a meaning to their existence. He just added things for the novelty of it. I just didn't fall in love with these characters, and I couldn't enjoy the writing. Maybe I'm just too used to the likes of Tolkien, Lewis, and J.K. Rowling to give this a chance... but one of the things I love about fantasy literature is its sense of lore, history, myth, and symbology. I found none of that reading The Golden Compass. That's why I was so disappointed. Don't get me wrong. I really wanted to like this book from all the things I was hearing about it. In the end I felt cheated on what had potential to be a great book with its scope and imagination but gave us no real meaning to anything in it. Dust was never explored deeply with more than two lines, nor were the history behind the bears. Every explanation given seemed like two lines. I wanted to know more about these strange and interesting things...but I was annoyed to find them just shoved off as existing and fact... so either deal with that or stop reading.
June 21, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
June 21, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST
I'm honestly surprised by the posters who've been disappointed by Golden Compass. It's been a couple of years since I read the series, but one thing that stood out was just how well-written it was (the guy did teach literature at Oxford, after all). I recommended HDM to several others, and they loved the books just as much. These people were all in their late 20s, and very well-read in both fantasy lit and literature in general. I'm a veteran of many comp-lit courses, which some here might see as a negative, but these books definitely stand out in their genre. I read the first two Harry Potter books, and lost interest due to the pedestrian writing style. When you read Pullman, you realize what a real writer can do with the material. So for those who haven't read any of the series, I recommend that you give it a try - those who like it are very enthusiastic, and you can read other posts from those who disagree.
June 21, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST
I thought the first book in this trilogy was called Northern Lights not The Golden Compass! That's shocked me that they're making this film, I didn't even know. It's going to be GREAT if they keep the darker parts intact. And they better be casting English actors. The casting of Lyra is more crucial than anything because she IS this film.
June 21, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST
two talkbackers bring up my stuff. No, I haven't examined the Spidey pic above....yet. (lol) And Yackbacker, the MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER does not apply to this talkback.
June 21, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST
If you thought that was sweet, they're showing the first footage at Comic Con. That's right...in less than a month, they will move.
June 21, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST
I CANNOT FUCKING WAIT FOR THE LONG OVERDUE MUTHA FUCKING TEENAGE MUTANT GAWD DAMNED NINJA TURTLES!!! OH HELLZ YE-AAAH BIZNITCH!!! THIS SHIZNIT IS GUNNA BE THA BOMB!!! WOOOOO!!! (I'm excited...can't you tell?) HEROES IN THA MUTHA FUCKIN' HALFSHELL BABY!!! YEAH!!! YOU CAN KEEP YOUR FURTADED VENOM GOOPILLY GOO SHIT, THE FUCKING TURTLES ARE BACK!!! WOOOOO...
June 21, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST
"Aw shucks that's some cute shit right there" flick. The trailer for it (I forgot which flick I saw it with) got one hell of a good reaction from the audience.
June 21, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST
I second that wish for a Gene Wolfe movie. I just finished the Sword of the Lictor and I'm going to have to go to Borders and pick up the final part of "The Book of the New Sun" later today.
June 21, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST
you know, one of those silly things in fandom where you can find out the look of a lock n' key character design by their toys before the actual movie comes out.
June 21, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST
If Venom's only has a cameo at the end of the film, he may not get a toy, unless it's a mail away offer or sumthin.
June 21, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST
as long as all the darker aspects are kept. It's been a while since I read the books but I loved them. I wonder if they'll introduce Will in the first film or leave it until the second, like the books. There is so much good stuff in these books, does anyone know if they are making a trilogy? I only ask because apparantly when they were adapted for radio the three books were divided into two parts and it worked really well. I heard Nicole Kidman is being considered for Mrs Coulter, I think she'd be a good choice, any thoughts?
June 21, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST
That's what I'd like to see. Something a little reminiscent of Lynch's Dune, but more fun.
June 21, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST
just because a lot of people I know loved the trilogy, and spoke of it very lovingly within the fantasy genre. I want to have that feeling about this trilogy. I really want to like it but the first reading, i found myself falling asleep. I couldn't enjoy these characters. They seemed so vapid and empty. I never was excited or anxious to turn the next page. I fell in love with Tolkien, and C.S. Lewis, not because of the themes of christianity but because of a deep feeling of connection to the characters and their sacrifices. Lyra just seems like she's on this journey because she has nothing else to do to go save some kid she barely knows. Frodo gave up his beautiful life in the shire. Aslan gave up everything for narnia. Harry Potter sacrifices so much of his innocence to fulfill a debt to the wizards and love for his parents... being abused by the muggles, a regular kid stuck in an extraordinairy situation. I'm going to read milton's paradise lost before i read golden compass again, but i really don't think i should have to to enjoy this book... but i want to believe what everyone else is believing in.
June 21, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST
It's the only way! And for Asriel, who else but "Moral Compass" author Bill Bennett? Fantasy is clearly their favorite genre already. Sean Hannity for Lyra, in pair of braids, he looks short enough.
June 21, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST
you know you want it!!! start yelling! MAN IN SUIT!!!!!MAN IN SUIT!!!!!MAN IN SUIT!!!!!MAN IN SUIT!!!!!MAN IN SUIT!!!!!MAN IN SUIT!!!!! LOL, that line cracks me up
June 21, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST
I absolutely loved the His Dark Materials books. They are some of the most profound writings for children ever and I think Pullman's writing makes Narnia look like a Cathy comic. Pullman knows the idea of question authority is not a dangerous one. I really hope that hack Weitz doesn't screw this up.
June 21, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST
I want my MAN IN SUIT!! /end sarcasm
June 21, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST
Man, that was some poorly written, awful shit right there. People were like "oh it's written by a sixteen year old"! Yeah no shit. It reads like it too. Rip Tolkein and Lucas off much? And they're making THAT into a movie. Way to reward mediocrity.
June 21, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST
especially obnoxious 16 year olds... the only way I'll ever read Eragon is if the author ends up being a junkie from his new found wealth... writes a depreciating novel of himself and his struggle to overcome his addiction and admits he got very @$#@ing lucky... found the write publisher to publish his crap and that anyone can do it with a little luck, a little imagination, and a good editor.
June 21, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST
by Barney Hood
I saw the stunning production at the National Theatre a couple of years ago where they managed to fit all 3 books into about 6.5 hours (2 parts) of theatre. It was a little rushed but worked very well. Timothy Dalton was very good indeed as was the girl who played Lyra (she popped up later in the DR WHO episode with Simon Pegg), and the staging was incredible. Fingers crossed for the movies.
June 21, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST
Kidman, Julianne Moore, Alice Krige, Lena Olin, Famke Janssen. I'm more worried about the direction than the casting. Maybe they should just get Nicholas Hynter. If they want to take a BIG risk, New Line should get Matthew Barney. But that might turn into another Lynch-style "Dune" fiasco.
June 21, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST
So are they dropping 'His Dark Materials' from the title? It worked for Harr Potter, it worked for The Lord of the Rings, and it worked for The Chronicles of Narnia. So why wouldn't they keep it in? Does anyone know if they are going to have it as The Northern Lights in the UK, like they did with Harry Potter 1 or will it be The Golden Compass across the board?
June 21, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST
by Billy Goat
Saturday mornings? It's been VERY faithful to the original B&W comics. They've had TCRI, the Fugitoid, Usagi Yojimbo, an episode for each of the one-issue "micro-series"... I can't possibly be the only one who's noticed.
June 21, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST
I absolutely LOVED the first book of His Dark Materials. I thought the second one started out very strong but lost its way somewhere before the last act. I thought the final book was a complete mess, almost as if he started writing in the wrong direction, and ended up somewhere totally different from where he meant to go. I didn't feel like he had any idea what he was trying to communicate in book three. As for the movie, I am cautiously optimistic. Although, now that I think about it, I remember reading a story when it was first announced about how the studios had approved it, on the condition that they remove all references to religion. (That's gonna be one SHORT movie if that's the case!)
June 21, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST
...with Golden Compass being the first book of HDM: the main character gets laid and in doing so saves the world. I shit you not. The first book was good but as the series progresses it goes downhill until the very end at which point it becomes ham-fisted in its symbology; lacking anything remotely like subtlety. Handled correctly though and with enough tweaks it would make a great series of films. However if the main theme are preserved then the Jesus-Fascists will come out in droves, fists pounding and spittle flying in self-important righteous indignation. Which would be fun to watch. I enjoy watching stupid people get upset about imaginary things.
June 21, 2006, 4:50 p.m. CST
It's pretty much a no-brainer. Though I'd love to see Janssen in the part. But there's no way this will work. The suits will remove the religious aspect, and the movie will be shit.
June 21, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
Spell it the fuck out or something.
June 21, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST
They should be in suits/costumes... TMNT 1 WAS THE BEST GOD DAMN TMNT thing to ever grace the public... except for the cartoon. TMNT 2 and 3 sucked majorly, but 1 was killer. It took the turtles seriously. CGI is just going to be lame.
June 21, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST
look way too young in that pic. They should've just done it like the original comics...all red bandanas and kicking ass. I'll see this one if Usagi Yojimbo shows up in it.
June 21, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST
June 21, 2006, 8:30 p.m. CST
wait til the next Spidey talkback and I'll post it again. (Which will most likely be next week.)
June 21, 2006, 8:36 p.m. CST
The faces are horrible wrong. They seem to be softened up so they don't scare the kids. They should have went with the pointed beaks look. The biggest error, and I think it's mostly due to the early (noncomplete shots) are the eyes. There too flat looking and they should have ditched the pupils, or at least made them smaller. Also, the texturing on the bodies are a little whack. Of course I'm referring to the Leo poster posted over on SuperHeroHype. But the good thing about that, is that since it was posted there, it's most likely a fake.....god, I hope it's a fake.
June 21, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST
*horribly *incomplete *they're *sigh*
June 21, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST
...he's no idea that he's about to be kicked in the head by a giant penguin.
June 21, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST
It's hard to convince people who've been watching Disney drivel their whole lives that stories about children, and for children can be intelligent, philosophical, and even dark. These days everyone treats kids like they're fragile dolls, we forget that kids can adapt and learn quickly, and that they enjoy stories that don't pander to them. Of course, there will always be topics unsuitable for kids, but none of the themes or ideas in Pullman's series falls into this category. Remarkable, since they tend to be the topics considered verboten by most of mainstream (western) society. I like Harry Potter, but I love Lyra and Will. Here's hoping they don't cut the balls off the thing.
June 22, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST
by Evil Hobbit
teenage mutant ninja turtles, teenage mutant ninja turtles, teenage mutant ninja turtles, teenage mutant ninja turtles, teenage mutant ninja turtles
June 22, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST
Anybody remember those? What if Wolverine were Venom
June 22, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST
What like a Chuck Norris movie, animated, based on the facts pages. Make it a trilogy. Have Vin Diesel and Mr. T's movies come out back to back for three years like Lord the RingsAnd have Robert Altman direct it. What else, an animated Saved by the Bell? How about a redo with all new people whaddya say
June 24, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST
Billy Goat, no you are not the only one who's been watching and noticing. There have been some shit episodes, of course, but most of the time it's awesome. At first I thought it would all go down the drain once they ran out of original Mirage material, but surprisingly it hasn't... it's actually stayed pretty faithful to the original stuff, and the characters are growing. Peter Laird really knows what he's doing. Do you think perhaps Kevin Eastman was the reason the live show sucked so hard? After the FoxBox toon you gotta wonder. I don't know about this flick. Why do we need it? How can they possibly improve on the Fox animation? alienindisguise, the TMNT are supposed to be 14-year-olds when the story begins (at least that's how old they were at their first encounter with the Shredder), so I don't know why you think they look way too young. I agree with wolack22, TMNT 1 was freaking awesome, and the suits were a big part of that. Unlike this CGI stuff, those turtles looked REAL...they each had their own features. It was almost creepy how they did that. Too bad Henson's no longer around; it's a damn shame.
June 26, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST
go eat some pizza, whore.
June 27, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST
I was hoping theyd go with a CG version of the live action costumes...theres literally no texture on them or anything. TEH SUCK!