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What Did Rhythm & Hues Do To Marlon Brando To Make Him Speak In SUPERMAN RETURNS? Behold!
Hey folks, Harry here with a special exclusive AICN geek treat. Wanna see what Rhythm & Hues did to make Brando talk. It's actually odd - because - you'd think... all they would need to do is just take that old footage and do something relatively simple... but oh no... wait till you see this creepy ass, cool exclusive video. It's funny - I actually have the life mask of Brando from SUPERMAN in my Kitchen - in my "obese hall of fame" (Tor Johnson, Charles Laughton and Alfred Hitchcock) Seems they could have mapped that life mask of Brando... but nope... watch the process - it is hypnotic... Here ya go...
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Hahaha! Creepy. Definitely cool!
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and that was pretty cool
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pass the butter . .
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do not try to debate me. i wrote a paper on this which is appearing in several respected journals.
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good for you.
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That was a cool little lesson in CGI. The music in that video gave it that little edge that gave it the creepiness. Twenty years from now we'll be able to see Brando starring in his own feature.
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That's both fascinating and kinda creepy. Imagine making dead celebrities speak new dialogue...only a matter of time before the advertising industry gets ahold of this. Imagine other, more disturbing possibilities, as well...just think about it.
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those weird commercials for Budweiser that featured John Wayne... and those ...what were they? Jewelry commercials that featured Lucille Ball?
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All bow down before the talking Brando!
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And anyone who complains about it being CGI is complaining for the sake of complaining. STFU. Really.
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Thats the coolest thing I've seen in many moons. Good form Harry.
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That is amazing work. I would have never guessed it was faked.
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Conan O'Brien's method is definitely better.
Now if only Superman had a trusty sidekick...say like "Triumph the Insult Comic Dog": Kal-el, you look like sheet...Lex, you look hungover, like something I pooped out Sat. night...POWERS THAT BE - Make it so. Then I might actually go & see Superman Returns. -
Hee hee
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It's so obscured in the crystals in the final piece that it's not really a problem. Very cool, informative little video.
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impressive work
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Remember the background behind LOOKER? Sweet jesus - michael crichton was right.
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If they didn't get that right, screw 'em.
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They should apply this technique to every movie the fat old fart made after Apocalype Now.
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This has to be the single coolest thing i have ever seen put on this site. this is what Aint It Cool should be. Nice work.
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His mouth does not match that dialog - it's a bit off, especially at the beginning.
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Showoffs...there had to be about a thousand easier ways. Anyway, it was kind of a cool video even though it made no sense, in a sense.
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Brando's unseen footage is supposed to appear in the new DVD versions of Supes 1-2. I hope they use this same process to spruce it up - pretty damn cool.
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(some may say it already has.)
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Where did they get the dialog from? If they have him saying it, don't they have footage of him saying it too?
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Jun 19, 2006 7:53:15 PM CDT
I got a crazy idea that could've saved them millions!
by wacksonwacksoff
Cut away to Kal-El, and have Marlon Brando say whatever the hell he's saying, "You do not remember me". Boom Pow! I just saved you fuckers $3 million! Where's my check, bitch?
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As for this video it was cool but I have to reiterate what others have said, whenit's obscured by crystals and seen from the side it kind of makes all that hard effort for naught. Still, a very cool glimpse of things to come, not this film I mean the tech.
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pretty soon we'll be able to capture the exact voice and preformance of an actor from many angles.
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I still don't get it, isn't ADR the process of replacing set recorded dialog with higher quality studio recorded dialog and syncing it to the mouths of the actors? If so don't they have the footage the ADR was supposed to sync with? Or was it from a VO? I haven't watched the original Donner Supermans in forever...
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To answer your question just look at the first part of the video again. When Brando originally shot the footage he was looking all around and emoting in various ways, or the footage they shot while speakign the lines just didn't give them the performance they wanted in the face. It's also possible that the dialouge was strictly ADR and no film was shot of Brando speaking it. What they did was find a piece of footage where the eyes were looking in the right direction for the shot they wanted, i.e. looking straight ahead towards the platform where Kal- El would be standing. This way they can match the face they want with the dialouge they want spoken, kind of a Lucasian technique.
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Do not try to debate me. I have many leather bound books, and my apartment smells of rich mohogany.
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but Brando's character had quite a bit of voice over leftovers to choose from. He opens this film with VO. or it just may be that the angle of footage that they had wasn't what they needed. or the audio from another take. or they like playing with computers or sumpin'.
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I BEN HYP-MO-TIZED!
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Really fucking cool.
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Seriously.... we could have had a cgi chris reeve and hackman... yes hackman, cause im sure the cgi version of him would be a far better luther than he ever was or could be.
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I thought there was going to be. I pray they manage to get that new Superman II cut together, including the missing Brando footage and several missing Donner scenes.
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Do not try to debate me, for i am rubber and you are glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.
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and CGI in Margot Kidder. Seriously if they're going for a younger Lois Lane then who foxier or more appropriate than a preSuperman Margot Kidder? http://tinyurl.com/hlwha Everyone is MUCH younger in the film because Superman's spinning the world backwards had an adverse affect on the characters and they're all de-aging. In the next film they'll be twelve and the last film will be Superbabies.
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...but now, let's put this tech to a really good use, and make those 2 missing original kolchak episodes.
and why stop at that? make a whole new season while we're at it.
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I'm sorry, that would never work, knowing that a chance to be in a new uwe boll movie beats being in a new superman movie.
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It still looks a bit off to me. I think CGI still has a ways to go before actors can be replaced.
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I work @ WB studios. Now one day, almost 2 years ago. I was at the comissary, getting my delicious, overpriced, slice of pizza. I heard these two "studio exec" types talking. Onne was saying that he had been looking up and staring at old Brando footage from the first and second movie edits. That they were gonnna blend it in to this new movie, which wasn't even cast yet... I turned to them and attempted to be humerous in this long line. I did my best Brando, (which iis pretty damn good if I do say so myself..) Something like, "I want you to tell General Zod, I am gonna make himi an offer he can't refuse." They just stared blankly at me, and I more than willingly, went back to the tedious line. Needless to say, I love knowing I finally got to be a part of a spoiler, and get to see the fruits of their labor and idea. Lovin it! Looking forward to the movie.
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Finally, AICN is hi-tech! Now how about some video from the Nacho Libre event (if there is any) or *gasp* a edit option?
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Not only do I resent the allegation, I resent the alligator! Any nit picks aside, that was creamy good CG. A bit much, as WacksOnWacksOff said, though. I mean, all you need is a cutaway or a convenient bit of Kryp-stal to obscure the lips and you save a fat chunk of change, money that could have been used to add the extra material to Routh's Super-Speedo so that it doesn't appear to elongate his torso and ride just around the top of the stump, if you follow me. PULL YER PANTS UP, SUPERMAN, they cried! But I digress. Harry, I've been waiting for your review of Supes all month and you did not disappoint. This little AICN Bonus feature is just the tip of the iceberg. Screw cutting corners, bring on the cape!
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for putting up video on your site. You should do it more often
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...Pharmasuticals...I have already sent this to many friends and it will remian on my hard drive until the SE DVD comes out. "You do not remember me" is my new meditation mantra. Pretty hip. Pretty hip. Thank you Harry and the WB marketing Dept.
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Though that creeps me out same as the wax figures at Madame Toussad's does.
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...they'd have some kind of identity verification for whoever is using those crystals. Jor-El thinks whoever he's talking to is Nic Cage's son.
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lol. and so true, sadly especially on the last part.
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they're suits... suits only think about money and paying for their spoilt childrens hummers and escalades....if you were to punch one in the nose you'd probably see green sludge protruding from it... formally money. they are in a sense like the aliens from invasion of the body snatchers... but instead of aliens they're evil human beings who steal other people's souls and livlihoods.
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....after Brando's death to be doing CGI manipulations of his visage!!
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Because you just know that as soon as you die, you'll doing comercials for all kinds of shit you never used while you were alive.
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Supes didn't spin the world backwards you dolt, he went back in time to save Lois while he was also stopping the nukes and the other stuff he did.
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actors are currently trying to do something about the likeness rights issues. They recognise the need to protect their likenessess from shameless cash-ins and sleazy appeals to the goodwill of earlier films or perhaps a desperate grab by an uninventive filmmaker for some kind of authenticity. George Lucas however owns the likenessess of all of the LFL actor's characters and can do whatever he pleases with them as they all sined deals to that effect. Marlon Brando didn't even want to be in Superman II let alone Superman RERUNS.
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Margot Kidder then? Wait, is Margot dead? WEll my point stands, especially since theyr'e posthomunously using Brando...
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it was only Superman going back in time and the spinning was a visal representation of that but it takes too lonmg to explain to most people and the fact is that the Earth DID spin backwards on film. Stick that in your arse and smoke it.
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I found the technique, and the technology used - namely, how many layers were required to acheive the final effect quite impressive - as one of the first TalkBackers said ... "only a matter of time before the advertising industry gets ahold of this. Imagine other, more disturbing possibilities, as well...just think about it".
I think there's a considerable amount of consideration that must be taken into account when making such a statement ... there is a very real possibility that someone ... say ... a government, with a practically unlimited amount of financial resources ... what could they do with this type of technology? Rewrite history? Create images that actually never happened? People who said things that they never actually said? ... the possibilities are endless...but there's always a way to tell - just keep your eyes open - don't blink. I pray that the day that I can't tell the difference between real waking life and CGI. I could tell it was CG ... It just didn't look ... natural ... It didn't look as though a human was speaking the words, but rather that the words were made - the shape, the definition ... there's a bit of a smudge between the lines ... I can tell. Most people can. -
obviously I meant visual as in optical and not visal as in the Sufi ideal of union with The Beloved. And Nutsuck you're a double cunt for jumping on this tired horse "ahh I'm Hairy Nutsack and I'm the only one in the world that truly understands that Superman didn't actually spin the world backwards because of course that's not how you really turn back time LOL!1!!111eleventyone ROLFLIMPAMPILASH!!!!1111111!`2!". Dickwad.
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Admit it. The evidence is overwhelming!
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with your active x shit. thanks for the warning to older computer users.
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Jun 19, 2006 9:57:36 PM CDT
Where Did The "You Do Not Remember Me" Line Come From?
by thisnameistaken
Is that Brando speaking from a different film? Is the line from a Brando impersonator?
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Remember the Ford Mustang commercial with Steve McQueen using footage from Bullitt, or the vacuum commercial with Gene Kelly? Those were good but creepy. They did a good job with Brando here.
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I believe that's the audio that Nicolas Cage's son (thanks battuta, I cant stop laughing now) hears when he is in the space ship headed for earth. That would also explain why there is no video of Brando saying these lines.
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That
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that was cool as hell.
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"Do not debate me" will be the new Hulk Hogan/Tomboy Beanpole for a few months. At least that will be my singular goal. That is priceless.
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CANES WIN CUP!
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I'm scared
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insted of Brandon R's. They must have like 50 hours from 4 films of materials.
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why take the pains to make it look realistic when he's blurred and obscured by the crystal? the mouth could have been doing anything and you wouldn't be able to tell..
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In other news, that clip ruled. Hope like hell it'll be on the DVD. Harry, any idea who did the music for it?
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"I am Jor-El. I'm your father. By now you will have reached your eighteenth year..." All of that came from 1978s Superman, and I could swear that we saw Brando's face kinda shimmering into a solid image as he said that phrase; so it seems there WAS footage of him saying "you do not remember me..." All of which is my long-winded way of saying: as cool as this demonstration is, if the footage already exists of him saying the line, why did they have to re-do it? Now, if they went to all that trouble so Brando as Jor-El could have said "My Son, don't be dumb and give up your super powers to sleep with some Earth chick", THAT woulda been just peachy keen!
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...living-dead actor...
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Wolack, guy, I thought you were Canadian. WTF.
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Beefywhore,casinoskunk, hear, hear.
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Zoey Deschanel.
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...or do I have to be called "moviemack" to get a detailed response to a post?
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they might have done it so they could take even greater liberties for the sequel..
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leprosy amuses me.
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It amuses me to no end....
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I should be eating sushi right now...
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I clicked your tinyurl to young Margot Kidder. Who today does she remind you of? Real or rumor, we have to agree the early swirlings about Mischa Barton as Lois started for the reason that take away the OC complexion, and Barton has the same features. I couldn't bring myself to watch "The OC", so I can't speak for her talent. But if there was anything to that particular casting buzz, then Singer made a mistake. Considering Singer's concept -- building the premise for this film directly over the foundation of Superman and Superman II with so much care for everything that we remember about those films -- when it came to casting Lane, I don't know what happened. Not knowing how important it was or even if it was entirely conscious, Singer clearly cast Routh and Spacey although maybe on a lesser level, to evoke the same characters in a familiar way that helped bridge those movies to this one. I believe he wanted to continue telling the same story where Donner left off, not just pay homage. I've seen that some are saying Spacey used his relationship with Singer to sell him and the studio Bosworth. Maybe that isn't completely far out, because she doesn't fit into that character or that world.
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or perhaps pizza instead....
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
pizza sushi!
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Ah. Now if only I were a computer geek. I would copy this video. Then I would record a voice saying some words, work the sound bite so it sounds somewhat like Brando, and then put in sync with the video. Everytime he moves his mouth to say "My son, you do not remember me", instead he would say these words. "Hi muffin. Here's the offer you won't refuse. Can you manually remove all the butter from the crack of my asshole." Can someone here who's tech savy please do that? Pretty please? I know, no respect for the dead, but Brando would have loved it. Especially if we paid him $4 million to have his permission to do it.
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that was highly unsociable. I am familiar with many different types of 3d-type situations, re: computer generated. if you read my paper when it comes out, you see, but you probably won't do that. and as an "expert" on these matters, i know from wherefore i speak when i say, "that looked very cg." and also, not to make you feel bad, but i actually have died in a car crash and was revived, so that was particularly hurtful. but that was fake looking, and i think most right-thinking people who do not wish to engage in the politics of hate will agree.
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Do not try to debate him on this.
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first off, you can say it looked "very cg", to YOU, everyone else has the right to their opinion as well. second, how can the guy read your "paper" if he doesn't even know which journal it's going to be published in. Should we look for the author of the paper to be named Mocky_puppet PhD? Third, "looked very cg" as opposed to what, the CGI fortress of Solitude? Spiderman? Are you saying you can do better? Are you saying all cg looks fake? Yeah the lip-synch is off, but in the context of the movie i think it works. Finally, do not try to debate me, for i have a 10 inch penis and all debates i have end with me stealing the guy's girlfriend/wife and posting the video on the net.
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I believe it was 1990. Milli Vanilli ruled the airwaves, and Arsenio Hall taught us how to love. That is when the retardation began.
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Jun 20, 2006 12:58:26 AM CDT
mocky_puppet was having fun and you all fell for it
by regicidal_maniac
Some of you here have a real hard time discerning the real and genuine from the comic and jokey. mocky was clearly taking the piss and adopting a stereotypical standpoint on CG imagery and you dunderheads took the bait. He reeled you in and all you got was worm with hook in it for your last meals. Idiots, do not try to debate me for there are numerous very good yet vague and mysterious reasons, none of which I shall go into here, why such endeavours be futile.
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I truly the appreciate the "taking the piss" line. Very British. I would have much preferred "Taking the mickey out of you," but I completely respect where you went with it. God save the queen.
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CGI not quite good enough to fool us yet.
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"My son, you do not remember me..." Kind of makes you wonder why they went to such expense and trouble, unless this was also part of the Superman II re-release job. Put pretty much anyone in that white spitcurl wig and they'll look like Brando's Jor-El as Adam Hughes was quoted recently stating: NRAMA: With the characters on the covers whose faces you can see, were you going for a likeness of the actors, or a resemblance of the character?
AH: no - we had no likeness rights, and they didn't want likeness rights, so I went for the comic book iconic look. My Lois Lane doesn't look like either Margot Kidder or Kate Bosworth. My Superman doesn't look anything like Christopher Reeve or Brandon Routh. But the problem was the Jor-el cover. For the first time ever, they were using the movie designs from the Ricgard Donner 1978 Superman - the white, glowing Kryptonian suits with the chest symbol. I don't know if anybody's really had permission to do that in a regular Superman comic, but their express order was "Do not make it look like Marlon Brando." There was no agreement made with the Brando estate to use his likeness in a comic book.
So, I had to find a model, and I was so up against the gun, I looked in a mirror and said, "You'll do."
NRAMA: No checking of your resume or past history?
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I remember 10 years ago George Lucas was talking about "digital actors" replacing real ones. We are getting there...slowly. The fact that they used any Brando footage for the new Superman automatically earns it an extra point for me. It would have been a lot easier to just reference him without using footage, but I am soooo glad they did.
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rewriting the superman mythology in this way is almost blasphemous. The screenwriters copped out saying they "wanted to make it contemporary" my ass, if you want to know the truth, they just threw in probably another annoying little 5 year old kid TO TARGET THE 5 YEAR old audience that is entirely familiar with superman. This is an obvious focus group thing, and it's stupid. They did this with Star Wars I, though that was the lead. They included the kid (who if this is true, Superman's son NOW?! Again, rewriting the mythology, bad move. This is the problem when films become too goddamn corporate. I'm sure the film will be great and will blow me away but this story change is silly and an obvious ploy to grab the younger audience in. Superman, the whole "romance" blahblah, I don't care, I want to see supes fuck shit up and fight other supervillains, I don't want him to have Lois's kid? Perry and Lois were both terribly miscast, Routh seems great though with the Christopher Reeves resemblance.we'll see
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i don't mean to make you feel dumb or anything. i DO study these things, so to me, from that clip, it was totally obvious that it wasaccomplished with a lot og cg graphics. also, the crystal thing that his head is in, that's also totally fake looking. but okay, whatever, don't go away mad, you know. it's okay for you to think these things are real; that's the filmmaker's intent. just enjoy; salud!
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Or maybe the two are connected...maybe after Infinite Crisis ended, the "depowered" Superman could leave a deposit at the bank without blowing out the back wall of the vault! Either way...I think if they had to give Superman a kid, it should have been a girl. I have no good reason other than it feels more "right" for Superman to have a daughter, not a son. Especially since they'll never bother with another Supergirl movie.
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If I had you're eye for detail, and expertise, I would not allow these internet "Jerkoffs" (as the kids like to say) to question my opinion. But you allow dissent and discussion, and I appreciate that. You are a better man than I.
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Its amazes me how much work goes into these movie doo-dads these days. Even if I don't like a movie, sometimes I just have to marvel at the technical aspects of making it... not to say I don't like superman returns... I haven't even seen it yet... I'm sure it will rock my socks off.... its teh suk..... do not try and debate me.
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If you're going to self-promote on this site, make sure your artistic display is better than something I shit this morning in a drunken stupor. And I mean that in a good way..Just a bit of advice...Love your work.
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Why go through all the trouble of making it look lifelike if you're then going to cover it up with the crystal effects so you can't see it clearly anyway?
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...you're still a douchebag, but is there any chance we could get you to take another car ride anytime soon? I'll spring for gas... Anyway, the reason they went to all that trouble even though the thing is gonna be encased in crystal is because you KNOW that choosy little geek dipshits like you and I would call them out on it if they didn't. Seriously, though, this thing rocks. Definitely Gallerie Chappe-quality material.
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sorry, just had to use that line somewhere in this talkback.
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when I was a kid I thought he really did cause the world to stop and rotate backwards, and even then I thought that was retarded. As I got older, I realized that he was really just going back in time by flying really fast around the earth, and the 'spinning backwards' effect was just a visual aid and not really happening. Then one day I watched Superman again, and noticed that after he spins the world backwards, he stops and then gets it spinning forward again before going to do his thing with Lois, which to me indicates that at the time of the film, they really meant it to mean that yes, rotating the earth in the opposite direction makes time go backwards, as Superman had to 'correct' it and get it spinning forward again before he could land and take care of shit, otherwise if he hadn't the earth could continue spinning in the wrong direction and undo the whole of time. Which is pretty retarded. I think at the time, yes he was spinning the earth backward, but in later years Donner and co realized how stupid that was, even for a kids movie, and backpedaled, saying it was just symbolism.
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Why does one climb a mountain? because it is there, apparently... Therfore, why do FX nerds mke everything super-sexual and crisp knowing their work will be covered in crystally scrumminess? Because They CAN! HAH!! Do not debate me for i can squeal the word "UNCLE" loud enough to pierce your eardrums while simultaneously performing Mandy on a Bontempi Keyboard.
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hollywood will be able to rehash scripts AS WELL AS ACTORS!!!! we need never have new talent again...hoooray!
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....put you in a big jar and keep you in my basement. Then you could eat Raisin Bran with me every morning and Beefaroni every night. After dinner, I could tell you about the rabbits.
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another coreys movie! yes!
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They did it just the way it was supposed to be done. DON'T DEBATE ME..........I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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that explains why Brando looked funny in the trailer. The mouth is very good and if it wasn't Brando but some unknown I could be convinced. But it's pretty obvious that's not his mouth.
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Remember thar cartoon in Pulp Fiction o an eskimo talking about how his dog is tupid for thinking that a totem pole is alive?
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...when Superman uses his x-ray vision to check out the color of her undies. If a technology cannot be used for sexual purposes then it is basically worthless.
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Thats the problem with some of the cg, today: overly complicated images that have NO grounding in reality. Everything has to be crisp, intricately detailed, and so INSANELY textured that it stands out from all the other normal shots of normal people with normal textures. Not all movies that employ cg are guilty of this, but there are an increasing amount that are. Oh, and DONT DEBATE ME ABOUT THIS--I'm a well read, published, and acredited university professor, newspaper editor, former CIA analyst and extensively educated in photographic reconnaissance, ex-marine, I own an extensive library collection, and I'm NOT A VIRGIN.
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JOR-EL
"Is this how you repay their gratitude? By abandoning the weak, the defenseless, the needy - for the sake of your selfish pursuits?" -
Then Maniac is teh dolt! You fell for the classic I am being serious with the feel of mocking that which I truly am therefore drawing in those who feel they are in on the joke yet actually the brunt of it.
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Jun 20, 2006 10:58:13 AM CDT
Perhaps. I'd still give mocky the benefit of the doubt.
by regicidal_maniac
But if he IS joking then his commitment to the bit is commendable. So either he is working his schtick with a deadpan poker-face and you all fell for it or he really is a tool and I am the only one who thought otherwise. These are the only options, do not try to debate me, for it is possible I am a dolt. Either way he gave us a new saying.
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That's a cool way to get Jorel talking but why waste all that budget when you could just use Billy Zane look - www.marlonzane.blogspot.com
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And then they place so much ice crystal crap around his face that he looks like Abe Lincoln.
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700 meg XVID, downloads P-H-A-S-T fast. "I AM JOR-EL, MASTER OF SKY DUELLING!"
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...Where's the TB Harry? Or doesn't that harken you back to childhood days before you were morbidly obese? SwC;TM deserves a little luv!
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That was some sweet looking CGI. Do not try to debate me. I kicked Sho'nuff's ass this morning...AGAIN.
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Ummm, overreact much? Not too much of a leap for me to assume you meant he did in fact spin the world backwards since I've had that conversation with multiple morons in my day, and it appears you have too. Calm the fuck down and stop acting like a cunt yourself.
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http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/4363/fx6th.jpg
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Is everyone forgetting that his face will be the size of a house when it's projected rather than the few pixels it is here? Crystals or not they need to do enough work to make it stand up at that size. Insert Brando/size of a house joke here. Also, the original footage wasn't appropriate and if you contrived the camera angle to use the original stuff the whole thing would probably stand out like a sore thumb anyway, so I guess it's one form of reality for another. None of this is really as important as talking about Superman's sperm though. Oh and do not debate me, etc.
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Couldn't they have used someone else? I mean, there's a new kid playing Superman, the MAIN character, so what's the big deal if someone else plays his father? Just sayin', is all. It's not like they went through a tonne of trouble to plaster Chris Reeves' face in there anywhere. Waste of cash if you ask me...
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Nobody has seen this movie yet....stop encouraging people to download movies by posting stupid spoilers, before it has come out.
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if they do a movie, they could use the same technology to bring back wilson from the grave.
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http://www.starz.com/features/bunnyclub/superman/index.html
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Fantastic stuff.
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The Reynolds comment was totally on target. And it's not just the wig.
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They do all that AND THEN THEY HIDE THE FREAKING FACE BEHIND TONS OF SCRATCHED ICE AND PHOTOGRAPH IT FROM DISTANCE?!?
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you know, i hate to have to co-erect you toglodytes, but that was the most clearly cg graphics i have ever seen, there, the gloves are off, i've said it. and only someone who is a complete ignoranus uses a term like "douchebag", that's just the facts, jacks. so who's the douchebag now? you. now look, when i was young a wise person (i will not say if he was a man or a woman) once told me that the biggest douchebag is the one who doesn't realize he's being made to look like a douchebag. now i know that you people are playing me for the fool so i am not going to entertain your specious arguments any more, other than to say that i am a card-carrying member of memsa, and you, i deduce, count your iq on your two hands full of fingers. i will not debate you people any more. i shall never post here again. and i hope that you never have to go through a car wreck where you die and are revived, because it is the farthest thing from a picnic you can possibly imagine. i wish this final hope of love and peace for you, you silly people.
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So basically, using this CGI actor mapping technology, within the next decade we could possibly have a new Superman movie starring...Christoper Reeve again. Or think about this, a new Pirates of the Carribean sequel starring Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone. Can't wait.
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They've been talking about that one since the eighties. Of course the examples they showed were ridiculous. Or they could bring Mocky back. Again.
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And the fact that he's an admitted member of the Missouri EMS Association proves it!
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... just saying, that's all.
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It is the female version of the word 'mensa', and I should know being a former Latin Puerto Rican/Cuban La Mecha member who took highschool Spanish.
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and as much as he may enjoy thinking he's riling people up, it's not any whre as close as how much fun we're having coming up with lines to finish off "Do not try to debate me...for i am a Masterdebater"
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i think i speak for everyone when i say that i can't even understand your post, solder78. please try to stay on topic.
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you don't speak for everyone.on anything.period.end of sentence.do not try to debate me for...hmmm i've used the rubber and glue, the penis, and the masterdebator, uhhh oh i give a crap what you think, and i thought you were done debating us people who were beyond reproach? just when you thought you were out, we pull you back in! Never post here again. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!!
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i am afraid i have to tell you that i have requested you be banned from this talkback. it plainly states in the Talkback Rules that jerkwad losers will be banned, also people who curse, and that is you and you. i shall never post here again, starting now. farewell.
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i am afraid i have to tell you that i have requested you be banned from this talkback. it plainly states in the Talkback Rules that jerkwad losers will be banned, also people who curse, and that is you and you. i shall never post here again, starting now. farewell.
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Geezus that's funny, makes me wonder if Mocky didn't double his post on purpose just for comic emphasis.
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that looks really cool. It's too bad they couldn't have left the kid on the cutting room floor. This attempt to create a spinoff of Bastard Superkid is utterly stoopid. I hope this shitastic movie falls on its overhyped ass. Where the fuck are they gonns go with this POS storyline after this?
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I was wondering that, too. I'm telling you, Mocky really is one of the most humorous posters on this site, and I know humor. Dont debate me on this--I'm a former stand up comedian in Madisonville Kentucky, I have hundreds of drawings in my notebooks, and I sat in the back of the classrooms all through highschool.
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It's "Troglodyte" and "Ignoramus", Mickypoos. Do NOT try to debate me for I hold in my hands a thesaurus the size of a small planet infested with highly intelligent hybrid mice-octopus creatures.
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Ok,ok..it was "Mockypoos" and NOT "mickypoos"..But STILL, do NOT try to debate me for i once saw a lady naked.
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Yes, you're right I overreacted I was tired and cranky (so what else is new?). I also just figured you to be yet another one of these idiots that thinks they are the supreme authority on all things. You know, just like me and everyone else on this site. Do not try to debate me for I have already de-bated myself, and my cat, and we are now both bate-free.
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smylexx, moondoggy2u, sldr 78, hairy nutsack, and others, your posts had me crying. And I think I actually pee'd a little. Well done. Anything that induce urine is okay by me.
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It's cool Reg_Man, can I call you Reg_Man, if we didn't throw fits of uncontrolled rage in a TalkBack now and then this wouldn't be AICN. Do not even try to debate me for I have been known to make monkeys pee with my sharp wit and juvenile sense of humor. You wanna pee punk? Huh? Do ya? Do ya?
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What we are looking at is pretty much the beginning of an entire new world in film-making.
Would we get to the point where we'll have actors. Get the rights to the actors. And then have them be filmed from all angles. And then just fire their ass and do computer replicas of them?
Can someone see future court cases and lawsuits as I do? Where a Judge would have to decide if an actor has possesion of his own face and likenesses and cannot be replicated without his authorization? Unless he dies, like Marilon Monroe, or some famous actor where their likenesses go back to the studio.
And then the Studio, tries to kill the actor just so they could get the rights to that actor. cause the actor is so unbelievably popular. Now they could do whatever they want with that actor cause he/shes dead?!?!?!?!
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What we are looking at is pretty much the beginning of an entire new world in film-making. Would we get to the point where we'll have actors be filmed from all angles. and after their 'look' is digitally recorded on a computer they'll just be fired, so the company could use their replicas for whatever the industry desires of em? Can someone see future court cases and lawsuits as I do? Where a Judge would have to decide if an actor has possesion of his own face and likenesses and cannot be replicated without his authorization until he/she dies, like Marilon Monroe, or James Dean or some famous actor where their likenesses go back to the studio. So then the studios, try to kill their best actor/actresses just so they could get the rights. cause they're so unbelievably world popular and marketable?! Now they could do whatever they want with that actor cause he/shes dead?!?!?!?! They'll sell their name/likeness like it was any other commercial product/property!! OMG WE HAVE TO STOP THIS!!!!!!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6Rq7EA9xc
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slder78 lives to post another day. it appears Mocky's "request" to ban me is deined. Allow me to respond to the "jerkwad loser who curses" accusation, I know you are, but what am I? and as you can planely see, i did not curse...in THIS Talkback.heheheh Do not try to debate me Mocky, for you said you already wouldn't! MwahhMwahhMwahhh sorry I almost choked on Mocky's girlfriend's rug. Hey, I'm a man of my word. Unlike Mocky.
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i just now got confirmation, they just banned you. try to post now, you'll see. again, i'm sorry i had to resort to this.
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still here!!!
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when you died, did you see God? and if so, do you tell him that his face looked too CG? And if so, did you also tell him not to debate you because you are Mocky and he is only the creator of the universe?
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i'm sorry for the misinformation. we had a power surge because of the lightning which messed up my mail. as it happens i've only now received the confirmation of your banning. try it now and weep, my young padawan learner. again, i apologize, i don't usually like to resort to bully tactics.
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they tento jessup an DISAPPEAR! But what we HAVE HEERE, as you CAN SEE and I CAN SEE and we CAN ALL SEE is that slder78, is STILL HERE! Ysee? Ifn he GOT hissel BANNED, ysee, his posts woulda ALSO a disappearedraesngnnghnnah... buttheyDIN'T, ysee, theydidn't. Dysee, NOW, now, DYSEE?! RngnnhhnnnrmmgllulnHAHAHAHhhHH... [/cosbymode]
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what if.. this isn' even a final ... did anyone think about that this may have been a pitch reel? or just a draft shot to see if they even wanted it to be like this in the movie? a "mock-up" of sorts. so as to not go the full effort it timing it correctly.. to save time and money for the final shot? Just a thought.
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since they showed us just that line, that it's too much effort for such a little thing and that he's behind the crystal anyway. Like I said above, it needs to stand up on a 20 foot tall screen, he's in multiple positions at multiple angles and as there's more dialogue the more justified the effort. VFX companies generally do as LITTLE work as they can get away with, as a higher quote means they'll be undercut (happens all the time)by another company who'll get the job. It's hilarious though that TBers are now critcising CG for being TOO GOOD for the application! Hypocrites! __________ Wait. I made a mistake in the subject line. I get the impression that they DON'T think.
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I just did an IP address search and he is only one of the many faces of Doc Pazuzu, as is mocky_puppet, Regicidal_Maniac, and of course myself Hairy Nutsack. Do not try and debate me my other selves or I'll put us back in the asylum, in a straighjacket, on delicious meds, drooling and shitting on ourselves all day long.
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I was gonna blame mocky, Doc's not up yet so I knew it wasn't that part of my/our persona. For shame.
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The lips didn't match the words for shit. It's a good thing they obscured it with the crystals.
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Ok yeah it's awesome! They lip synched a 3D model to a dead actor. HURA! But then they blur the shit out of it, make it transparent and refract it through 5,000 cristals! YOU CAN'T SEE ANYTHING! A damn sock puppet would look like brando after that many distortions.
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the most damning, though, is that in the end the effect looked way too "CG".
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Stop mocking us with your mocky mockings!
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Just think! Someday in the not to distant future some low life porn director can put any starlets face on a porn chicks body...sweet! Here is a future cottage industry for you: putting anyones face...say mine, onto the hot body of a porno star so they can star in thier own porn movies! That's the future!
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It's possible they wanted to animate Marlon Brando speaking Jor-El's introduction from the first movie because Lex Luthor is playing the Kryptonian library back from square one. Since it wouldn't do to just show Luthor standing listening to an audio feed, they extrapolated Brando's likeness from unused clips (If they have access to the unused Donner footage they can circumvent obtaining a license for images we saw in the original movie) of his face and animate on top of it. Then they add it to the scene and have a fresh spin on a classic line. They may have gone to all the trouble of animating his mouth movements simply because there's bound to be someone out there obsessive enough to pour over an HD copy of the DVD, making sure every bit of dialogue syncs up. Then the uber-nerd posts on some website saying (tHIS MOvey wuz a totel peace of shit bcuz it didnt evan try to sinc up teh woards!!12) But that's just my theory.
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Confronted by a CGI Ranger Smith.
"You do not remember me, you picnic-basket thieves!" ----- "Oh yes we do; we're smarter that the av-urr-age bear!!!"
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