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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a few reviews of SUPERMAN RETURNS. I'm dyyyyiinnnggg to see this one. I'm desperately trying to find out about a screening here in Wellington. I'm like a crack addict at this point. So, word of warning... I haven't seen the movie, so I didn't eye-ball these reviews too closely for fear of spoilers... and I still managed to read some. The first review has no spoilers... it also has no periods. The second and third and pretty spoilery, so beware. Enjoy!!!

Hey there Harry

this morning the National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences held a screening of Superman Returns

It started at 11am and i got there at around 10 thinking it would be a large line .....to my surprise not many made it out but hey if that means i can get my middle aisle middle row seat then fine by me

I was worried at first seeing a headline of a review somewhere that it was good but not great and I am not gonna do a huge review with spoilers and details ..I'll let everyone go in fresh..... but let me just say that i left this movie with a big nostalgic glorious grin on my face ..........Bryan Singer has done a fantastic job!!!

I don't remember seeing the first Superman for the first time but I do remember seeing its 1981 sequel when i was 8 and i remember holding my jaw in my lap.........love that movie

the opening credits (which harkens back to the original movies) and the John Williams music gave me flashbacks to seeing Superman II for the first time .......at first it felt sort of dated ( just the effects of the opening credits) but then i felt the 7 year old child in me sitting in that seat at the Roxie Movie theater in good Ol'Ottawa Illinois .......and I knew i was in for something that was a mix of old and new ..... it truly feels like this movie can come directly after Superman II which is good cuz ya really don't want Lois reminding Supes about when he fought Nuclear man or whatever his cheesy ass name was. My point is watching the opening credits and hearing the JW score made me sit up in my seat, smile, and embrace what i was about to go through

keeping the opening credits the same as the originals was an excellent idea and i never really thought about its impact until now .....it would have been like if George Lucas had changed the opening credits to the new Star Wars movies.......

hearing John Williams's score again in a movie theater gave me frickin goose bumps!!! John Ottman does a good job filling in the rest

The cast was fantastic.........Jimmy Olsen was the suprise hit for me ...of course Kevin Spacey and the rest are all great but there was something about Jimmy that was just fun to watch on screen .....Sam Huntington (Jimmy) has great comedic timing and brings so much more to the roll than that other dude who played him in the 80's

seeing Kevin on screen .....he actually kind of looks like a young Gene Hackman......Kevin does his own thing and does it very well

Parker Posey is fun.......but borders on too over the top for me ....still does a good job though

I didn't think I would really like Kate as Lois ........kind of like Katie Holmes in Batman Begins.......I thought i would just be kinda blah about her..........she pulls it off really well......the chemistry and mixed emotions she has with Supes is fantastic the scenes between them esp. one in particular reminds me ironically of scenes between Eva Marie Saint and Cary Grant in North By Northwest

I love love love that they put in the old footage of Marlon Brando!!!!! .....i remember when Anthony Hopkins was rumored as being up for the role in the new ones and am so glad they didn't go that route .........Marlon just resonates greatness ties the old with the new perfectly......great call

Brandon Routh............not for one minute while watching this movie did i compare his performance with Christopher's ........he holds his own and I can't wait to see him do more with the role......oh and his Clark Kent is superb!!! actually better than C.R. in my opinion..........I always felt Christopher's Clark was a little too bumbling and pushed up his glasses a little too much ...Brandon has some really great moments playing Clark ......i laughed more than i thought i would through out this movie ......

this movie also has alot of heart to it as well.......remember how you wanted to feel in that scene in Spiderman II when the people on the train are passing spidey over there heads .........to me that scene felt a little hollow and forced.........well there are some scenes at the end of this movie where i was actually pinching my leg cuz it's so damn moving......the girl next to me cried the whole time

I am so happy with this movie.........and can't wait to see where they go next. You can call me Han......Luke.....or Leia or just Kiley. peace

Thanks Han Luke Leia Or Just Kiley. Appreciate the review. Here are the two spoilery ones. Beeewwaarreee....

Hey Harry,

Just got back from a screening of the Supes film. Brandon Routh was there with family to promote and do some Q&A. He was very nice and was paitent with alot of the kids that were there. Someone even asked him if he had reservations of stepping into the Superman role, knowing what happened to the rest of the actors. And the some kid asked his fav color.

Trying to stay spoiler free, but there's an issue I really need clearing up. So, I'll do my best, but there's definetly a few spoilers below.

Not sure if you've already seen it yet, but as a fan of the old films, (well, maybe not 3 & 4...) this holds up pretty well.

Ok, here goes:

The opening credits are great and my friend and were joking about how the original 78' flick had like 30 mins of opening titles. The credits are just like the original. But with a nice twist and not as long. Great opening sequence and effects. It's a journey from Krypton to Earth.

All the characters are great. Spacey as Luthor was something I was very excited to see and was praying that from what I saw in the last trailer, he wasn't going to be too Gene Hackman-esque as far as campiness.

He's not. He plays him as an intelligent criminal, but has the mean streak in him without going overboard. He's great to watch.

Parker Posey really has no purpose in the film. Anyone of his henchmen could have done what she did. She pulls an important stunt at the end, but other than that, well, nothing special.

The Supes-Lois relationship is very good and they work well on screen. The continuity between the first two superman films and this new one is extremely well. Lots of references, "Statistically speaking, flying is still the safest way to travel." Parker to Luthor at the fortress, "you act like you've been here before." (which Luthor does not answer.) Lois' smoking habit, etc.

The pace of the first half of the film is great. Second half, not so good. Lots of Jor-El/Brandon voice overs. Not any new footage of him or anything like Singer mentioned at comic-con last year.

Luthor's plan is related to land. I liked that. And his plan is clever. Langella is a good Perry White. "Great Ceasars ghost."

Ok, here's where I had the WTF moment, but shortly after I was like hmmmmm... So, I figure'd I mention it to ya. I'm sure it's going to be a fanboy flame war on the topics.

*SPOILER*




Lois' son is Superman's.

On the Luthor's yacht, Lex notices the kid has a bad reaction to the Kryptonite he's planning on using on Supes. Then, while Lois is trying to get help, Lex's henchman is slapping her around and the kid burys him with a piano.

Now, Superman did sleep with Lois in Supes 2. Also, at that time, he didn't have his powers. Lois swears the kid is from James Marsters/cyclops, (you know who I'm talking about.) Lois lost her memory when Supes kissed her.

Which would mean, that Supes left right after part 2 on his journey. Then, she got with some guy and had a kid. Weird timing. She's supposed to be all heartbroken over Supes and she goes out and gets some.

So, apparently since the kid is a hybrid, (human/kryptonian) the powers are latent or something, which would explain how Lois was able to survive child berth. (Had the Brody "Kryptonite condom" scene in my head from Mallrats.)

Not sure why they threw this in, but I guess since they wanted to, it kinda fits.

The rest of the film after Supes saves the day was ok. Pacing problems and some scenes were a little too long.

But all in all, I thought it was pretty good. I'll go see it again on opening weekend, but it's not a "see it 3 times" film.

I know this isn't a fantastic review, but if you actualy do use it, just call me Kevin.

Thanx!

Otisberg? OTISBERG? Review Three comin' atcha!!!

Hey Harry. Long time lurker, first time reviewer, alla that shit. Call me The Amazing Rando. Just got back from an advanced screening of SUPERMAN RETURNS in St. Louis, Missouri (quick shout-out to Star Clipper in the Loop for hooking me and my brother, who is also inevitably going to send you a review as Lloyd Dobbler Kicks Ass, up with free passes). So now I must review for all the lovely children.

Ok, when I saw BATMAN BEGINS, I left with a big goofy grin on my face. Same with the first two X-MEN, both SPIDER MAN (Spider Men?), HULK to a lesser extent, and even DAREDEVIL (don't judge!). I'm a comic geek through and through, and all those flicks hit me on most or all of my geek cylinders.

And as much as it kills me to say it, SUPERMAN RETURNS didn't. I didn't have that big goofy grin on my face. I had more of a "Fuuuuck..." look about me. I really, really, really, really wanted this to be my favorite movie about Big Blue, and I wanted it to be my favorite superhero movie. But it's not.

But don't let me go all Negative Nelly. A whole lot of stuff in this movie works. I'm not going to go into detail aobut the plot, save for one big thing, really, I'm really just trying to let everyone know what worked and what didn't.

So SPOILERS. I really suggest you not read any further if you don't want anything spoiled. I did my best to avoid all the advanced reviews and spoilers, and I suggest you do the same. My first few sentences really summed up my feelings toward the movie.



Ok, good enough for the space of the spoiling. Like I said, a lot of stuff works, and works really well. REALLY well. The action sequences are fucking amazing. The much-lauded airplane rescue? Fan-goddamned-tastic. Had me cheering with the rest of the audience. The bit we all saw in the trailer where the dumb thug goes after Supes with a mini-gun and tries to put a bullet in his eye? Priceless. Had me giggling like a little fanboy schoolgirl (schoolboy?). When Superman is in action, doing his saving people bit, the movie hits all the right chords (when he's not, he runs into some issues, but more on that later.)

Fellow geeks, lay your fears to rest about Kate Bosworth's performance. As Lois Lane, she does quite a good job. When the former man of her dreams comes quite literally crashing back into her life, she has to reconcile the love for her current family, with James Marsden as her husband Richard White making me shout, "Wait, Cyclops can ACT?! And act GOOD?!," with the old flame and the not-quite-gone feelings for him. She pulls this off beautifully.

Kevin Spacey was also clearly born to play Lex Luthor. Kev, PAY IT FORWARD and that Bobby Darin cock-fest is forgiven. He uses just the right mix of camp and badass to make Luthor one of the flick's major attractions. You may go for the caped one, but you'll stay for Baldy.

The rest of the supporting cast made me very happy in the fanboy region of the brain. Frank Langella does great Perry White (yes, he does say "Great Caeser's Ghost, but only at the most opportune moment), even if I like my Perry White a bit more blustery. James Marsden, as previously mentioned, proves to be a match with Superman in heroism and charisma (have you noticed that I haven't brought up the newly minted Mr. Brandon Routh yet?) Parkery Posey, who I have found incredibly annoying in every movie she's been in since after A MIGHTY WIND, proved very funny, and I really liked her and Lex's relationship. Kal Penn has no dialouge, and I cannot figure out a reason why he was cast as one of Lex's nameless goons, apart from the possibility his role was cut out. I mention this as a positive because, while I liked HAROLD AND KUMAR GO TO WHITE CASTLE, I didn't really like him so much.

And now just going down the quick list for "Stuff that Worked!" The effects work is clean, shiny, and dazzling. The new costume was fine, so stop with the bitching. The movie looks great, so Bryan Singer loses none of his good director brownie points in my book. And the opening titles? Made me go all "Tee Hee," with geekgasm.

Like I said before, you've noticed I haven't mentioned Superman's performance yet. Well, that's one of the problems. THE problem, really. Nobody was going to come close to Christopher Reeve as Superman; he just got it absolutely right from the second he stepped on camera, just like, in my opinion, Christian Bale as Batman. Brandon Routh, however, chose to do a Christopher Reeve impression rather than bring ANYTHING new to the role. At least George Clooney and Val Kilmer tried new things when they stepped up to the Bat Plate. As a result, Routh is only really effective about half the time he's on screen. Which, for that matter, isn't that much time at all. The movie is titled SUPERMAN RETURNS, but he really wasn't around to do much returning. Lois and For Christ's sake, James Marsden comes across as more heroic and interesting than Superman. And you all saw X-MEN. The movie's biggest problem could have been fixed if Marsden had been the one to strap on the S. I mean, he's just this regular guy who does some pretty amazing shit to try and save his family. He's an incredibly nice guy, and a great father. But oop, he can't lift the plane above his head. Lois must fall for Superman! I know it's canon, but I really saw no reason why Lois would fall back in love with this Superman. He really falls quite short of the bar set by Christopher Reeve.

Ok, my other problem. This is concerning the BIG twist here, folks. The father of Lois' kid is.....Superman! Oh noes! First off, from a comic geek's perspective, I have this to say:

NO! BAD BRYAN SINGER! THAT'S A BAD BRYAN SINGER!

With that out of the way, it was too incredibly obvious that the kid WAS Superman's son, even before the big reveal moment. Hmm, Lois never talked about Superman in front of the kid? Never mentioned Clark Kent (yes, Lois doesn't know the truth in this one, I'm thinking more figuratively here)? You think the screenwriters are trying to TELL us something? Sheesh. Also, if we follow the law of cinematic averages, the kid's probably going to grow up in future movies to want to be Superboy. And as I mentioned, there's really NOTHING about Brandon Routh's performance that makes that terribly obvious move plausible. I was talking about the flick with my brother, and we thought that, in SUPERMAN RETURNS AFTER A LONG WEEKEND ON THE FARM, it'll be much more interesting if the kid likes James Marsden-Daddy better. Because I sure as hell did. Plus, the idea of the kid with friggin' SUPERMAN as his Dad not wanting to join the family business is a story that I'd like to see.

That's basically all I got to say on the matter of Capes and Spandex. This could have been an amazing movie. AMAZING. But Brandon Routh, first time actor that he is, just couldn't hack it. He spent more time posing than acting, and that really crippled the movie's full potential. But the movie isn't without some really great stuff. It's not a lost cause, it's just not the BATMAN BEGINS quality we were all hoping for, and the blame rests solely on Mr. Routh's sizable shoulders. Just don't walk into the theatre and expect to be blown away like the time you first saw Christopher Reeve strap on the cape.

Now we need a Kevin Spacey starred, Tony Scott-helmed cinematic adaptation of Brian Azzarello's LEX LUTHOR: MAN OF STEEL. I'm looking at YOU DC Comics/Time Waner/whoever the fuck is in charge of that kinda thing...

The Amazing RRRRRRRRRANDO!!! signing off.

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  • June 19, 2006, 5:47 a.m. CST

    This film is gonna be great

    by Stewie_Griffin

    Can't wait

  • June 19, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST

    by Johnny Wishbone

  • June 19, 2006, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Johnny Wishbone

    by thelivingdoll

    I guess you didn't want to tell us your wish so that it would come true huh? Smart thinking.

  • June 19, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST

    MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER

    by Shermdawg

  • June 19, 2006, 5:55 a.m. CST

    So there's a Supergirl tie-in then? COOL!

    by Drath

    I know, Supergirl is so baaaad, but remember how on the radio you could here someone mentioning that Superman was away on a mission in space....holy crap, that actually fits with Superman Returns better than Superman 3 or 4. I'm still sick of the Otis hate, but at least it's not directed at Hackman anymore.

  • June 19, 2006, 5:56 a.m. CST

    No Periods?

    by thelivingdoll

    What do...you call.........these?

  • June 19, 2006, 6:24 a.m. CST

    The credibility of the review is........

    by MKiro

    .... directly proportional to the articulation with which it is written. Hence, these reviews aren't worth diddly. Also why I pay no attention to what Harry writes either.

  • June 19, 2006, 6:26 a.m. CST

    This .... is called an 'ellipsis'. Not a period.

    by MKiro

    Period.

  • June 19, 2006, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Oops. An ellipsis is only three ...

    by MKiro

  • June 19, 2006, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Okay, I give up.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I'm NOT gonna say that the film will suck, (because I never said that and I trust Singer) but I read now every fucking review on this side and I'm still not excited about this. And I really wanted to be. I wait for the DVD.

  • June 19, 2006, 7:39 a.m. CST

    Did that first review...

    by DannyOcean01

    mention even one scene that might suggest they'd actually seen the film? Jesus, I love cookie cutter reviews, 'Yeah, Spacey was a bit like Hackman, but at the same time he was doing his own thing...Routh was like Reeves, but still brought something else to the table...Bosworth reminded me of Kidder, but at the same time gave us that extra spark that spun us into something slightly different and new entirely...'

  • June 19, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Haha, yeah, this shit is generic as fuck.

    by Angry Mean Panda

    I don't think one of them has seen the film. Revealing the parentage of the kid doesn't mean a damn thing because that's been known for weeks.

  • June 19, 2006, 7:55 a.m. CST

    LET THE BITCHING COMMENCE!

    by calami-shami

    T-minus one talkbacker untill Wah-athon. You are a go for launch.

  • June 19, 2006, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Do we have to love Superman

    by DannyOcean01

    Because Singer's gay? Just wondering....In all seriousness, until someone tells me Singer was fired from X3 or had to leave X3 because he was allergic to the number 3...I will hate him for leaving that film stranded...Cunt.

  • June 19, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Get it right...

    by LordEnigma

    Superman 2 never happened in the continuity of Superman Returns. Singer has said as much. If the movie states otherwise, and Singer still stated as much. HELLO CONTINUITY ERROR. Nevertheless, Lois and Supes having a kid after Superman 1, well, that's a bit of business right there. I am looking forward to this film, and I hope it's not just me. Superman does not deserve the King Kong treatment.

  • June 19, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    LordEnigma

    by Rain_Dog

    So if Superman II never happened in SR continuity, here's what must have - Superman got tired of the sexual tension between himself and Lois, decided to sacrifice his morals and his desire for Lois to love him as a person rather than an ideal, and just decided to hit that shit - in costume, no revelation of his identity, no nothing. Evidently, he does so without a condom. Having shot his superwad, he wipes Lois' mind and leaves for five years chasing the remains of a civilisation his birth father has explicitly and repeatedly told him died THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO. He does so without telling Lois, his mother, his friends, his colleagues, or the government where he is going or why he won't be around for five years. Then, he rolls back into town, sheds a few emo tears, does exactly the same shit he did in the first film but with more costly effects, and then proceeds to fuck up Lois' half-decade-long relationship with a guy who is, by all accounts, twice the man this conniving alien prick is, not to mention having been a father to the child he couldn't even be bothered using his X-ray vision to see if Lois was carrying before he scarpered. This fucking Gen Y scumbag is not Superman, and Brian Singer should not be praised for turning an icon into a self-indulgent deadbeat.

  • June 19, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Remember: Batman Begins was to set the B.O. on fire!

    by acroyear77

  • June 19, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Obviously, that wasn't all directed at you, LordEnigma.

    by Rain_Dog

    I got carried away.

  • June 19, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Young Gene Hackman?

    by Mooly

    Except without the man-perm, gold necklace and plaid suits. My only hope is that this Superman movie doesn't have Luthor trying to kill Superman with a Kryptonite necklace and pushing him in a pool. Because nothing is worse than seeing Superman tread water for an hour but not have the strength to just take the damn thing off.

  • June 19, 2006, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Young Gene Hackman!!

    by half vader

    Watched French Connection again yesterday and those are some funny glasses you're looking through if you think Spacey looks like Hackman. Drawing a long bow there, mate. ______ Sherm, keep on with that much more and you'll be the new Gallerie Chappe. I never cared either way about Smallville but it's sure getting annoying to me now! ;)

  • June 19, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    SINGER DID NOT LEAVE X3!!!! GOD DAMNIT!

    by Lucidz

    Jesus christ. I've seen umpteen dumbfuck posts on how singer LEFT x3!!! He didn't fucking LEAVE IT. Warner offered him superman. Singer, being a complete geek COULD NOT TURN IT DOWN. He went to fox and told them that he wanted to do superman, but the schedule should be fine for him to finish it and do x3 for a 2007 release. Fox ESCORTED HIM OFF THE LOT!!!!! He was DEVASTATED over losing x3. Then fox, to add insult to injury, rushed the production of x3, JUST to beat singer's superman to release. Singer was apparently exceptionally saddened over the whole thing, and the way the film turned out. He was betrayed, he didn't leave, so get your shit straight!!!!!!

  • June 19, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    They used the old-style opening credits?

    by rev_skarekroe

    That sucks. Those credits were mind-numbingly boring.

  • June 19, 2006, 10:40 a.m. CST

    question

    by Shakes

    so is there a moment in the film where they recreate the cover of Action Comics #1?

  • June 19, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Old Gene Hackman

    by half vader

    Weird to think he's 76 years old.

  • June 19, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    LordEnigma

    by KabutoKoji

    Or whoever said Superman II never happened in the continuity of Superman Returns. You are wrong about that, dude. Superman Returns is indeed a sequel to the events that happened in Superman:The Movie, and Superman II. The kid Lois has in this movie is Superman's son because of that time they slept together in Superman II. Also, Luthor knows about, and returns to the Fortress of Solitude because of that time he was there in Superman II. There's even a line in Superman Returns that refers to that specific moment. Also, at the beginning of Superman Returns, Superman is returning from a trip to Krypton, and he went there to be sure that there were no more Superbeings left, like the ones he had just faced in Superman II. So, in essence, the only rerason why he left and is now *returning*, hence the title of the film, is because of events that *only* happened in Superman II. It's only Superman III, and Superman IV: The Quest For Peace, that we are to ignore, and never happened in the continuity of Superman Returns. This was announced and stated over a year ago. Actually, if you watch Superman Returns ignoring the continuity of Superman II, when all the references to Luthor, Lois, and Superman's past history are exposed, you will be confused, and the film will seem incoherent to you.

  • June 19, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I thought Harry was doing the pump and dump on this one

    by FluffyUnbound

    But the mainstream reviews now starting to come out are blowing this film, too. Who knows, maybe it's good.

  • June 19, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Have To Lower My Expectations

    by ClubMixxer31

    Unlike X-men, Batman Begins; I watch Clark Kent every week (sometimes twice a week.) Seeing the trailers and watching Smallville, I am worried that while I am certain the film will be visually spectacular (have to be for IMAX) but the story will be seriously lacking. Smallville has talented comic book writers creating entertaining storylines and excellent special effects & stunts. So I am lowering my expectations cause I really want the movie to be incredible, make millions; (I'm all about sequels)

  • June 19, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST

    ClubMixxer31

    by Rupee88

    You have got to be 12 years old i you think that "Smallville has talented comic book writers creating entertaining storylines". It is a great kids show, but it is unwatchable to anyone with an adult brain. Anyway, I am not expecting much from Superman Returns, storywise. I already know the basic plot and it is lame...and Supes having a kid is lame. And Lois being miscast is lame. But the effects and action will make it a fun ride, so I'll actually pay to see it, probably on the day it opens.

  • June 19, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST

    okay...

    by MaulRat

    "Brandon Routh, however, chose to do a Christopher Reeve impression rather than bring ANYTHING new to the role. At least George Clooney and Val Kilmer tried new things when they stepped up to the Bat Plate." Did anyone else stop reading after this??...

  • June 19, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Oh. Dear. God...

    by Harysuxafat1

    the kid sounds like an even dumber idea than before. For fucks sake I hope Sino bombs at the BO. This shitastic remake needs to be put down once and for all. We've got the abilities to do so much more and we're handed a Super Bastard? This is just utter tripe.

  • June 19, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST

    entire soundtrack now up at superherohype

    by satansteve

    http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=4412

  • June 19, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    *Yawn*

    by DOGSOUP

    Wake me up when Warren Ellis' show comes on AMC.

  • June 19, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST

    The par about Brandon...

    by Harysuxafat1

    Routh bringing NOTHING new to Superman is spot on and just one more reason that this film will be all flash and no substance. If I went to this movie based on it's look alone and I could ignore the shitty dumbass insipid story behind it it'd be a great movie. But I can't. It's unoriginal and uninspired. It deserves to fucking tank.

  • June 19, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound

    by Harysuxafat1

    In the wake of Brokeitoffinmyass Mountain, I'm afraid there will be no critical hate toward this movie. It's a ghey love fest out there right now.

  • June 19, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Harysuxafat1

    by MaulRat

    Oh don't get me wrong I have no doubt that Routh brought hardly anything to the table besides a passable Reeve impression, from the looks of the trailer, that is the impression I ge ttoo (I'll reserve my judgement until I see it though).. However when the man tries to make his point by saying "At least George Clooney and Val Kilmer tried new things when they stepped up to the Bat Plate" just flaws his arguement, they both brought something new... correct.. and they would both have to be 2 of my least favourite performances of not just any comic book movie, but MOST movies in general.... now if he had said Christian Bale on the other hand............

  • June 19, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Angry Mean Panda

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Ask me anything you want about the film. I'm the 2nd review up there (Kevin.) I said it's not a great review, but it doesn't mean I didn't see it. Check the Mirimar Marine base website. It's in San Diego. I'm sure there's new/pic of the event. Ask away, or know your role.

  • June 19, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The Kid

    by AlwaysThere

    You've gotta be kidding me. HAHAHAAHAH. Well now they're fucked. Oh shit.

  • June 19, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    "the powers are latent or something"

    by Voice O. Reason

    Yeah...its not like Lois had a yellow sun in her womb.

  • June 19, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Invincible

    by Dragulf

    Superman yet he needs the sun to 'recharge' him. Great, another green lantern like power. LAME!

  • June 19, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Bad story, Bad casting, Bad costume...

    by Ivan_Mtl

    Needless to say, my expectations are VERY low. I would love to be pleasantly surprised by this film, but I honestly think it's not going to happen. The subplot of Superman and Lois' child pretty much guarantees it. As I've said before, it is a cliche device used by old sitcoms on their last legs. Bring on those Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, Smallville, and Lois and Clark boxed sets.

  • June 19, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    superman's superseed

    by smackfu

    would have left a gaping exit wound in the small of lois's back. Plus, the kid would have kicked his foot through her womb about a million times.

  • June 19, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST

    I took the last review seriously until he mentioned....

    by Doom II

    Tony "Plague Of Cinema" Scott as a good candidate to make a Lex Luthor movie. Seems everyone likes this film to a degree. That's rare. Where are all the haters?

  • June 19, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Supes Seed

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    The kid when introduced, has ALL kinds of medical needs. He's asthmatic; Lois runs down a checklist of about 5-6 medications hee needs to take. He's shown using the inhaler several times. I guess Singer was trying to make it seem like the kid's powers were dormant or slowed, due to whatever sicknesses he has. So, (amazingly) she was able to survive childberth. I don't agree with it, but it's in the film man.

  • June 19, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    The Third Review

    by sledgehammer5050

    "At least George Clooney and Val Kilmer tried new things when they stepped up to the Bat Plate." --------- that statement right there makes the whole third review CRAP. The fact you even mention the last two Batmans takes your arguement downt he drain. Isn't Batman and Robin considered the worst movie ever made....or, at least in the comic world? If that's your back-up statement to saying Routh is no good then your two cents isn't of no worth to me. I like the first two reviews.....i am ready for this next Tuesday night.

  • June 20, 2006, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Brandon Routh, Amazing Rando & superMEN!!!!

    by Arche Logos

    From what I've seen on Mr Routh's acting ability I am going to love the movie during the moments I'm not pissed off about having Routh's shitty acting. And are you fucking kidding me about his sizable shoulders shit??? While I see that Singer is going for the retro-classical Supes look in this movie it just reminds me more and more about what PISSED ME OFF in his casting of Wolverine. Granted, at least Hugh Jackman has Acting chops but both of them look like they wouldn't last a second in a bar fight. They have this look of wannabe underwear model's who hit the gym for the 3 months of pre and have no gravitas of the comic book SUPER HERO'S I grew up with. I would shit myself if Routh is actually 225 lbs. And its not that I'm looking for fucking dwane the pebble johnson to fill in the role but, HOLY FUCKING SHIT, there has got to be classically trained actors out there that have enough brawn and balls to fill out the comic book images this geek grew up with. Thank you

  • June 20, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Wow no negative reviews? Don't over do it Harry.

    by The Founder

    This is to good to be true. After Singer's work on Xmen, I just don't beleive this guy made this great Superman movie.

  • June 20, 2006, 8 a.m. CST

    Problem with the kid is this...

    by amrisharmpit

    Movies based on comic books are sort of like a "master copy." They are the template by which most people will come to identify the character. Best example of this would be Batman. Before Burton's movie, the average person only thought of Batman in terms of the '60s TV show. Giving Superman a kid in the comics is OK because comics are niche audiences and if it didn't work, they could reboot easily. But by giving Supes a kid in a MOVIE, they are altering the mainstream perception of a classic character and asking millions of people to accept the change. Personally, I don't think people will.

  • June 20, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Why is it

    by TimBenzedrine

    that everyone that has come in contact with this project has been bound and determined to screw it up? If if wasn't the Super Suits, the Animatronic Arachnids,or the Pugilistic Polar Bears, there were even stupider ideas like Lex being an alien, not only an alien, but a renagade from a non-exploding Kryton. But even those ideas seem positively inspired when matched up against the oldest cliche in the world: bring in a kid. I'm already having trouble with the main characters' ages (yes I know he's the same age as Reeve in the first movie, but this is 5 years later, wouldn't it stand to reason that they would use an actor that was closer to, I don't know,...30? Oh, I forgot, today's audiences don't like to see older people in the lead roles, which is why an asshat like Tom Cruise has to keep pretending he's 25..)Brandon and Kate's relative numeric ages aside, the problem is that they don't exude the maturity that Reeve and Kidder brought to their roles. Then there's the really nitpicky stuff: Brandon just looks "fake" as Superman. The suit looks fake,(and it's too dark,& doesn't go with the brown hair, which should be black BTW)and his fake spray-on tan makes him look even more like a plastic mannequin than ever. In all the preview scenes with Routh, he looks like some weird CGI effect inserted into the frame.I've been following this project for years, and every time they turned another corner in bringing it to the screen, I've been thinking, "Please don't let it suck,this is one project that should be done right", but over the past few years,I've seen enough disappointing comic book adaptations to realise I'm going to have to lower my expectations, but I don't know why I should...

  • June 20, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Imaige for a minute this is the first of a trilogy...

    by hank henshaw

    and "Superman Stayed This Time" is made in a couple of years, and "movie #3" a couple of years after that. That'll make Superman's son a teenager in the last movie. How great is that? Unless the writers kill the character or the kid s recast all the time... excellent!!!

  • June 20, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    "Parker Posey borders on too over the top"

    by pokadoo

    You could say that about her in pretty much any film she's been in.

  • June 20, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    You lost me, hank

    by TimBenzedrine

    Where does the excellent part happen? I Have to sit through three films just to see an unnecessary character killed off? Oh boy, you're right, that does sound better. Where do I buy my tickets in advance?

  • June 20, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST

    The falsehood of superman

    by ucity215

    I have to say this I think the Superman Returns movie has more holes than any movie..comic movie...since daredevil. Here's why: 1) How can Superman go to his home planet and return in 5 years? Did it take him 5 years to get there and back...or just 5 years all together? ..what the fuck! 2) He comes home and no one say's shit ... no one in a newspaper investigates where's he been...just give him his job back? 3) Casting ... The age thing in this movie will make everyone realize how important having a director read the comic before casting a comic movie. If lois Lane is this young (or look this young) how old is clark...isn't clark a couple years older than Lois? 4) Luthor..he tries the same stuff that he's tried before to kill Superman... does any of this make since? 5) He has a kid...if he had a kid ..like someone said early ..isn't superman powers based on where he from and being born under a red sun?If this kid has powers how...and wouldn't luthor who has no problem killing people just off him? well that just my two cents

  • June 20, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Believe it or not...he walks on air, fruity

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    1.) Supes goes to his home planet in what looks like a similar craft of what he first arrived in when he originally crashed. We are never told Supes age when the Kent's found him. (in the 78 film) 2.) Everyone thinks Clark has been soul-searching and travelling. He only gets his job back because Perry White said one of their workers died. 3.) Ok, Luthor asks Jor-El to tell him everything. In 78, it took Jor-El years to go over everything about learning and training or whatever they went thru. So, Lex doesn't age...But I agree with the timeline thing if they are going off the "Supes 2/ I knocked up Lois storyline." 4.) Luthor actually has Supes beat. BUT, Lois and the kid save the day. What he does with Kryptonie THIS time is NOTHING like he's EVER done. I said, his plan was clever. Believe it sucka. 5.) read ALL the posts. I answered that. And like I said. I wrote the 2nd review. I saw that shit. Ask away if you don't believe it.

  • June 20, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    If it's a sequel to "Superman II"...

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    ... then what's with Superman, after getting his powers back at the end of Superman II, telling the President, "Sorry I let you down, sir... I was gone for a while, but now I'm back. It won't happen again!" Won't happen again... except for the next 5 years he planned to waste flying through space?

  • June 20, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    1 vote for DOOMSDAY in the sequel to "Superman Returns"

    by NeoDevilbaneX

    "Muhhhh troppp lissss," bitches!

  • June 21, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Superman's kid WOULD be kinda super.

    by smackfu

    Because even though he's not born under a red sun, the SuperDNA carries instructions for how to build a Kryptonian, so it is programmed to make a person with an ultra-dense physiology etc.

  • June 21, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Superman Retires!

    by NegativeTwo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6Rq7EA9xc funny

  • June 21, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Remember: WB thought Begins would =Spider-Man money

    by axelfoley

    Sorry, but it only was a regular blockbuster, scored on multiple top ten lists, and won awards......That's it. What the fuck are you implying sir? Begins owned your life in addition to paying off your sedan. Let SR do the same, which I think it can.

  • June 22, 2006, 5:41 a.m. CST

    I've seen it...it's excellent!

    by Darth Bono Jr.

    This one is a keeper! Singer & team did a wonderful job. The movie has heart...and action! Routh's performance is NOTHING like Reeve's characterization. The reviewer who said it was an imitation is clearly fucked in the head!!!! Routh's Superman is more brooding, a little sad...and his Clark Kent is more of a real person than in the Donner film. All of the so-called nods to the original film are perfect--but if you aren't familiar with the original, then they appear as fresh moments. Anyone who complains about how annoying they are is INSANE! This movie is clearly the work of talented people with a vision. Bring on SUPERMAN RETURNS 2 with three Kryptonian super villains!!!

  • June 22, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    plot holes

    by ucity215

    Well it seems so of the SuperFaggots got a little upset about me pointing out some plot holes well here is some more and casting issues as well. 1) If superman traveled to his homeplanet how was he shield from the green rock. A suit? ..if so how did he have the technology to build it..how long ...where the second ship come from...wouldn't NASA pick it up if it took off? 2) Supes is gone for five years and Clark is gone for five hears...no one looks deeply into this...also didn't he promise the president he will not let him down again? ...ooops! 3) Why is Luthor with "Donner"type thugs in this movie...its 2006 can we please get some thugs that match our timeline? 4) Yes, the Superkid plot line is horrible... it seems they did this to set up some superboy shit or get more women to come to the movie I wish the fanboys will stop hating people who hate this movie and look at the fact its flawed and has a bad story. But, hey its summer lets go see a big movie that makes no sense and spend money. P.S....the airplane scene is not all that great its not even in the top 5 of best action scenes of the last 5 years... in order 1) Matrix Reloaded (Neo fight scene and car chase) 2) LOTR (return of the king) both big battles 3) LOTR (Two towers) battle at helms deep 4) Tony Jaa - any of his movies in the 3 years 5) Spider man 1 and 2 enough said

  • June 22, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    If Singer's doing the sequel....

    by amrisharmpit

    Then we probably won't see Doomsday, Metallo, Brainiac, Darkseid, or any of the other comic-book villains that haven't been done yet. Singer never read the Superman comics. His only experience with the character is through movies and TV shows. Which means he will probably use Luthor again and bring back the Phantom Zone trio....in other words - "Superman 2, Too." Oh goody.

  • June 23, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    The Sequel

    by glodene

    I can only think of one person capable of directing a (hopefully Supes v. Doomsday) sequel: BOLL! DR UWE BOLL!

  • June 30, 2006, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Just a question.

    by Lmac

    I was under the impression that Lois Lane wasn't able to remember the time that the and superman spent together in the fortress of solitude (caused by the magical brainwashing kiss as the end of II). If that's true, I'm surprised she wasn't just a little freaked out that her kid had super powers. I mean, if she can't remember makin' the baby, then what the hell does she think happened?