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UPDATED: Danny Elfman Removes His Credit From NACHO LIBRE!?!?


UPDATED 06/14/06 10:15 AM CST USA



Merrick here…


Yeeeaaaaaaoooooohhhhkkkkaaaayyyyyyy…….

The Great NACHO LIBRE Score Drama of 2006 seems to have been, at long last, clarified and settled. This via a message from Danny Elfman’s Agent, which is sited below.

A big thanks to everyone who has written in about this over the past few days, and to Richard Kraft fort clearing things up!


Here’s ScoreKeeper with the details…


Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with what I believe could be the final word on the whole NACHO LIBRE scoring fiasco.

Danny’s agent, Richard Kraft, has responded with the following statement:

"Danny Elfman has not removed his name from Nacho Libre. He elected not to take a "Music by" credit. Danny Elfman was brought in to do a replacement score for the film. The final mix of the movie includes about 2/3rds of the score Elfman composed with the other third comprised of music retained from the first score (composed by Beck) as well as other music. For this reason, Elfman chose not to take a "Music by" credit on the film or advertisements. Instead, he decided to take credit for the cues he composed in the End Titles to properly identify his contributions to the final film."

This seems to me to be a very admirable thing on Elfman’s part. Situations like this arise all the time in the film music industry and for many different reasons you’ll often just see a “Music by” credit and that’s that. It doesn’t always reflect the true contributions of those involved.

The end credits of NACHO LIBRE seem to reflect the most accurate acknowledgment of those who participated in the scoring of a film that I’ve seen. This could set a precedent for future films who encounter similar situations. If not, it is highly conceivable that such confusion could easily arise again.



ORIGINAL ARTICLE BEGINS HERE!!




Merrick here…


Over the last few days, we’ve been hearing some rather odd (and extremely confusing) stories regarding the scoring (and related crediting) of Paramount’s forthcoming NACHO LIBRE. Now, the extent of the situation is becoming apparent…

We’d like to thank everyone who took the time to write-in about the information discussed below.


Here’s ScoreKeeper!


Greetings!

ScoreKeeper here with some rather intriguing developments regarding the scoring of NACHO LIBRE.

According to Steve Bartek (Elfman’s orchestrator for the last 20 years), Danny has removed his name from the credits of the film.

Steve posted a note in the forum section of his web site regarding this recent development.

Here is the aforementioned quote:

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:22 am
Post subject: Nacho Libre disclaimer
a warning to all - Danny has taken his name off of Nacho Libre -
apparently a couple of the main cues we spent lots of time on we
taken out and replaced with music Danny didn't want to be associated with (and I believe he was upset about the way the studio treated him
in doing the replacement - not very above board- so most of the score
is still Danny - but his name will not be there
Steve

Looks like another film scoring soap opera to weed through. We’ll keep a close eye on this and see where it ends up.


Thanks for the update, ScoreKeeper.

Please feel free to check this article again; we hope to be “UPDATING” it quite soon.

NACHO LIBRE hits theaters June 16 – with a score that’s a lot of fun, regardless of such drama.


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  • June 12, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    One more rare Elfman score I'll have to look for on eBa

    by Sela5

    Sucks that such an amazing composer has such bad luck with studios and directors lately (Raimi anyone...)

  • June 12, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Whatever

    by Chadillac69

    He can weed through that soap opera- I'll weed through Bridget Fonda.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    thats pretty interesting

    by rubensreviews

    but will it be a great movie regardless?

  • June 12, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Oh, and BTW 1st (and second)....

    by Sela5

    and this will be my first and last time...

  • June 12, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    primary contributor

    by kahootz

    Interesting. I'm sure he still got paid

  • June 12, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    good.

    by DAS JANKE

    he hasn't done anything memorable since batman.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by kidkosmic

    I will be seeing this film on Friday at any rate.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Nothing memorable since Batman????

    by Sela5

    I'm assuming thats not counting Edward Scissorhands, or Black Beauty, or Nightmare Before Christmas, or Good Will hunting, or Dolores Claiborne...all of them great scores

  • June 12, 2006, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Elfman is King

    by son_of_morrissey

    And Jenna Elfman is Queen.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    rut roh?

    by Datascream

    and so it begins...

  • June 12, 2006, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Weird

    by Johnny Anarchy

    Hmm...before I was beginning to wonder if maybe Sam Raimi was in the wrong in the whole Spider-Man 2 debacle with Elfman. Now I am wondering if maybe Elfman is the one going nuts.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man and Elfman

    by seanny_d

    After watching Spidey 1 and 2 back to back, you can kind of see how Elfman wasn't responsible for a lot of the music in #2. The opening credits cue was used twice during the progression of the movie where it wasn't used anywhere but the opening credits in the first one. I think the first one's score was much better. Even so, either Elfman is getting really stingy and selfish with his music or everyone's picking on him. I'm guessing it's the former, but what do I know?

  • June 12, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    So when has he had his name taken off before?

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Did he get his name taken off of Spider-Man 2? Or are you refering to the fact that, if I remember correctly, he's not scoring S-M3? And don't forget MIB, that shit was gang-busters.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Elfman has become too big for his britches

    by Zeke25:17

    I'm sorry--first he beefs about Spider-Man 2's music not being his (newsflash: it took his existing melodies and punched em up, with the end result being a far better score, to my ears, than what was heard in Spidey 1); THEN there's a problem with this, which I doubt sincerely ANYONE is gonna attend so they can hear how marvelous the music is (or ain't)! It's frickin NACHO LIBRE, not Star Wars; and Elfman hasn't written a noteworthy score since Batman (Scissorhands, though, is his most beautiful and chill-inducing). Who gives a crap if his name is on the credits or not? Hell, most viewers wouldn't notice if it said MUSIC BY JOE SCHMOE, or care--and some of them probably think the actors just make up the words as they go along! Isn't it kinda funny that we never hear Williams or Shore or JN Howard complaining about how THEY were mistreated?

  • June 12, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I also thought his Red Dragon score was the shit.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    But I didn't like the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory stuff for the simple reason that after seeing it twice in the theaters it was almost impossible to hear the singing.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Elfman has a long history of folks crapping on him

    by bmsatter

    Ever since he took on Batman folks have been busting on Elfman (much of it completely unwarranted). He's had to repeatedly prove himself outside of his music...what he writes, how he writes, etc. And why? They never did that to Williams or Shore or Howard....He's had to endure that his whole career. For the most part he's done well handling it and his career blossomed despite of it. But in the end I'll cut him some latitude and allow him to bitch back whenever he wants to. He's earned it.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST

    with a score that

    by EUROPA

    "with a score that

  • June 12, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Lest we forget his feud with Tim Burton...

    by The Guy Who Nods

    Notice Ed Wood's music is done by Howard Shore. And the circumstances behind this one-movie break-up are still kinda vague. I'm starting to think Elfman is a prima donna.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Way to contradict yourself, Zeke...

    by Freddie Mercury

    and does this even matter? The majority of his score is still there, right? It's not like it matters when Gary Oldman takes his name off of a film he's acted in. He's still there and he's still fantastic.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST

    people, get your shit together!

    by Holodigm

    realize that batman came BEFORE scissorhands. every time elfman comes up people say scissorhands is his best, but everything after batman is shit. Batman - '89, Scissorhands - '90. i'm a patient person, but i'm tired of everyone getting their dates wrong on this. learn it, love it, quit fucking up. please.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Elfman sucks

    by wolack22

    and so does soccer

  • June 12, 2006, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Nacho Libre looks awful

    by Bob of the Shire

    Napolean Dynamite was terrible, this doesn't look any better. Danny Elfman is awesome though.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Elfman has his moments, but hest still not

    by slder78

    in the league of Williams, Goldsmith, or Kamen. Hans Zimemer maybe.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Napoleon Dynamite was atrocious

    by Rainbow Cotton

    I don't see how this will be any better unless Uncle Rico has a cameo. He was the only decent character in dynamite, but that's not saying much. Well, at least the girl playing the nun is cute!

  • June 13, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I'm right here

    by bmsatter

    :-)

  • June 13, 2006, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Anatomy of and AIC talkback.

    by Azlam Orlandu

    1 - News breaks. 2 - Someone says something completely ingrate-like. 3 - Everyone bitches about how irrational the post was. 4 - Original poster is validated in a meager and unsatisfying way. 5 - Repeat cycle. 6 - Start posting on RT where there's a little more room for acceptance against the faceless entity cunts of AIC.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Borat Movie Trailer!!

    by OB Wan Afghani

    Borat Movie Trailer!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOTpfkfS-2k

  • June 13, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Maybe Elfman should collaborate with JDanielP?

    by kintar0

    After all, he could be one of the greatest Fantasy directors ever, if only he's handed the chance.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Spidey should NOT have had a Elfman score.

    by Shermdawg

    I just don't think that really matched up well with Pete's character. Well, maybe the funeral scenes, but otherwise, no. Oh yeah, and Tobey isn't that great either.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Maybe Elfman Should Stop Writing the Same Score

    by SeedyAl

    for every movie he does.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    THE REAL REASON ELFMAN REMOVED CREDIT!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Top left corner of this page.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Bartek

    by Loosejerk

    Bartek is a sonabitch of a guitar player. Him, Danny, and I think another Oingo Boingo member are actually used as names for creatures in World of Warcraft. I shit you negative.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    SOCCER SUCKS!!

    by wolack22

    booooooo soccer

  • June 13, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Hey

    by casinoskunk

    He got his shit fucked with in a way he did not like, so he decided that he did want that product to represent him. Its that simple. If a bathroom smells really bad, i dont want to be associated with taking the shit.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:31 a.m. CST

    by Shaz_bot80

    Danny Elfman just doesn't want to take credit for what he didn't write. Alot of artists, writers, directors and composers have done the very same thing.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    All the same

    by Blood Simple

    It's not like everyone won't be able to tell that it's Elfman anyway...everything he does sounds the exact same (it just all happens to be genius).

  • June 13, 2006, 1:45 a.m. CST

    There seem to be two Danny Elfmans

    by half vader

    The one who regurgitates the same damn church-bell chiming score ad nauseum since Family Dog (yes Batman is a great score and theme but I still can't believe how close Spiderman is to it), and the one who does non-grandstanding scores to movies like A Simple Plan. I like his stuff, and love Scissorhands and NBX, but his Corpse bride stuff was so awful and twee (in my subjective opinion) that it ruined the whole movie (well, that and the half-arsed story). As for mixing and stuff, if anyone can make out what the fuck is being sung in Corpse and moreso in C&TCF then you get a medal from me. Unless you're Elfman who in retrospect is probably the only one who can.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    suckers!

    by casinoskunk

    if you knew anything about elfman's history, you would know that he has a very diverse history. and whoever says that zimmer is the next williams or goldsmith, does not know shit about film scores. by the way if anyone is notorious for sounding the 'same', its hans zimmer.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:53 a.m. CST

    Sorry, amphoteric, but Pee-wee and Beetlejuice...

    by Lenny Nero

    ...are great scores too. Tales from the Crypt? Even Back to School. Stop trying to be contradictory. Hell, MIB1 was good.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    You'd Be Surprised...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... how often the composer gets royally fucked around by the filmmakers in ways that boil down to simple philosophical differences about the work. It's not uncommon for a score to be locked, and then a filmmaker decides to change the cut some more and just hacks up the music cues in the process. Makes composers crazy, and I'm sure it's happened to Elfman more than once.

  • June 13, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Elfman gets a lot of shit....

    by MattCG

    ...and you can accuse him of self-plagerization all you want, but I like his music, it fits the films he does and more often than not, accents the movie it's in, instead overwhelming it. You want to bitch about a composer? Bitch about Hans "YOU WILL FEEL SOMETHING RIGHT FUCKING NOW!" Zimmer. That motherfucker is out of control and needs to be stopped. Danny Elfman is cool in my book. It's a damn shame Raimi has grown too big that stupid fucking suit he wears in 100 degree heat to realize it.

  • June 13, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Elfman rules! And I will personally boycott this movie!

    by Xeniten

    Nuff said!

  • June 13, 2006, 2:35 a.m. CST

    Such a sad life

    by Outrider304

    I don't have a lot of compassion for film composers. They have a talent to be sure, and Elfman has has some memorable scores, but the director makes the calls. If you want to maintain the integrity of your score, then compose for the symphony and play in front of classical listeners. If you want to compose for film and television, you do what you're told, and you accept that they may cut it up. I'm sure his check is still cashing. Cry baby.

  • June 13, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by seanny_d

    Yeah, but doesn't the director have to treat the music like anything else in the picture? I mean, sometimes actors work ridiculously hard on a scene and they might even feel that it's their best ever. But if the director doesn't feel like it works in the context of the movie, then it might get cut. I see no difference with music. The music might be spectacular, but if it doesn't really seem to fit the scene in the director's/editor's/whoever's eyes, then so be it. I'm not negating the hard work they put into it, but it's a collaborative process and it just seems like Elfman is more concerned with himself.

  • June 13, 2006, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Rainbow Cotton-Looks like there's a lot you don't know

    by Orionsangels

  • June 13, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Scores

    by moviebrat

    Jerry Goldsmith had the same happen to him on Alien, in fact Ridley Scott put some of Goldsmiths old scores in the film so it sounded as if he was really repeating him self. Goldsmith was annoyed and fought and complained but ultimately didn't take his name off the credits. Why? Professionalism maybe? Oh and then is gracious enough to work with Ridley Scott again on Legend and creates what is one of the most amazing scores ever created. Which is then chopped up as the film was and even replaced with Tangerine freaking Dream for the American version!!! Goldsmith was a true genius. His score for Legend was pure genius, but ultimately he'd take a deep breath and get on with the next one. There is no one to come close to him at the moment. Williams is the only old school composer, who truly understands the art, left, unless Horner can buck his ideas up and get back to the complete self plagiarising, but ultimately fun and humable scores he did pre Titanic.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Let him take his name off.

    by mrfan

    No big deal. People in Hollyweird do it all the time. That is they way the business works. Sometimes you screw them. Other times they screw you. He is a good composer. There is no denying that. Still, maybe he needs to realize that he just doesn't have the final say in the finished product. If it has happened to him before then he should know this instead of acting like a big baby. I bet he wasn't crying when they paid him.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Isn't he pissed at Raimi about SpiderMan2 music too?

    by Swarmy

    ...and that he won't be involved with Spiderman 3? Dunno what exactly the rift with Raimi was about on part 2. Seems hes been having plenty of drama on soundtracks lately.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:49 a.m. CST

    It's so hypocritical to be upset about this...

    by Rodimus Ben

    ...when this sort of thing happens to WRITERS all the time, to the point where you sometimes can't even count the number of writers who have worked on a film with your ten fingers. Why are people getting so upset that a composer gets stiffed every once in a while when someone messes with his contribution to a film, when tampering with scripts is so common that no one so much as bats an eye? I know that the script is malleable and subject to change by the director and improvisation by the actors, and will of course lose segments in the editing room, but I'm talking about the propensity for studios to hire writer after writer to create a "blockbuster" that pleases money-grubbing studio execs, to the point at which the majority of the writers who work on the project never even see screen credit. You cay "hey, that's the business--" fine, then don't expect me to be upset about one composer whose creative decisions were overriden.

  • June 13, 2006, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Thanks, OB Wan Afghani!

    by theBigE

    Been waiting for that trailer. Scoring quibbles for a B-Movie? Ho-hum. Any COOL news?

  • June 13, 2006, 7:31 a.m. CST

    MIDNIGHT RUN IS FANTASTIC

    by Samson_K

    Let's face it Elfman can afford to do this these days!!! It's not as though he's a struggling composer who needs the credits anymore - people will hire him! He, like all other composers have had a history of being fecked about - I believe that 'Scrooged' was one such example where the majority of his score was jettisoned for rubbish pop songs. (What is there is some of his best work). I think that if he can have the integrity and balls to do this then fair play to him

  • June 13, 2006, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Sleepy Hollow

    by GreedoNeverShot

    Elfman's "Sleepy Hollow" score is BY FAR my favorite he has ever done. Anyone who thinks he hasn't done any good work since "Batman" is a friggin' idiot.

  • June 13, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Elfman sucks away the passion

    by Cory849

    Hollywood uses Elfman in too many things that are beyond his skill set. Elfman likes his scores to sound distinctive. In order to do that his trick is to give primacy to the Low strings and brass section at the expense of the rest of the orchestra . He just doesnt like doing orchestra the "obvious" way. So you end up with a lot of scores where the action scenes dont have enough oomph in the music. Elfman is fine for creating a distinctive sound (and is perfect for a guy like tim burton, who always brings the quirky) but Im sure directors find him very quirky and irritating to work with when they just need someone to provide a powerful action beat. Personally I thought he sucked the life right out of some of the scenes in the Spider-man movies. Actually one scene in particular is illustrative - remember the scene from the trailer where spidey gets dragged along pavement by his webs (kinda surfing the street?) - with the trailer music that scene sounded awesome. I was ready to jump out of my seat and go help spidey myself. Elfman's treatment of the same scene...bleh.

  • June 13, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Elfman still scores movies?

    by CrispyOne

    Man, Elfman music is so 1980's. He totally doesn't grow as a composer. They should let him take his name AND his music off the movie, and get someone else.

  • June 13, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    At this point, *I* could write a Danny Elfman score

    by Duck of Death

    All I need to do is rearrange the Peewee Herman theme at varying tempos as throw in some haunting choral voices. That's all he's been doing for years so why couldn't anyone?

  • June 13, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Duck, Family Dog was before Peewee, wasn't it?

    by half vader

    It's all there, baby. And you forgot the church bells.

  • June 13, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Yes, his stuff has started to sound the same over time

    by Terry_1978

    The only one as of late that was remotely unique was his Chocolate Factory one from last year. Mars Attacks!, Beetlejuice, Batman, Scissorhands, and the Simpsons are the ones he's most well known for.

  • June 13, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Every cue has to end with a gong

    by Deep Cover

    You would think that's in his contract, it happens so often.

  • June 13, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Now if they could just get rid of Jenna Elfman!

    by Darth Bono Jr.

    Like, say, off the face of the Earth.

  • June 13, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST

    However says that after Batman he hasn't done anything.

    by Sela5

    ..I think you may want to revisit many of his post Batman scores. You might be a bit surprised. Dolores Claiborne, the Family Man, Proof of Life or Big Fish, are good examples. Sure, for every Dolores Claiborne, there is a Hulk or a Spider-Man, but it happens with all composers. I love Goldsmith, but in the same year you could get Rudy on one side, or Malice on the other.... Back to Elfman, check out his "Music for a Darkened theatre Vol.2" and listen to hidden gems like Dead Presidents. I really hope it may open you up to his talent a bit more.

  • June 13, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    In other movie music news, Gyorgy Ligeti has died

    by WeirdEd

    He may not have been a *movie* composer per se, but his music was a major part of one of the biggest movies ever made: 2001 A Space Odyssey. He was 83. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060613/people_nm/arts_ligeti_dc_2

  • June 13, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST

    They only have themselves to blame

    by BendersShinyAss

    the way they make these films is all departments working together at the same time. If they take the time to get a fairly decent cut of the film before the composer is brought on, then he can score the vision instead of the rough cut dailies. But I think Elfman might be a bit of a baby here. Granted i don't know the full story and he may have been shit all over during this films production, however, lets not forget that when your putting together a film, EVERYTHING is manipuated. Sound. Dialogue. photography. sometimes the final cut is a totally new entity to what the initial production was set out to be. Personally, I always thought Willams suffered the most from Lucas on the star wars prequels. Total disregard for the man genius. Elfman's best score have always been the 'fun' films. Batman, Edward Scissorhands, MIB, etc. Spiderman was a big mistake. so was raimie for that matter. Piece of shit films. there I said it!

  • June 13, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Nachooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • June 13, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    who says it's not my libre?

    by durhay

  • June 13, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    He wrote the Simpsons theme...

    by dplatt

    ...so he's going to be immortal for at least one thing. OTOH, he's always seemed kind of a whiner - he complained when Prince's Batman songs were released as an album, sniffing that it wasn't a "real soundtrack," which was ironic considering that Oingo Boingo made a living doing filler songs on soundtracks. BTW, Shore's music for Ed Wood was probably the best Burton score ever.

  • June 13, 2006, 11:21 a.m. CST

    The irony

    by bmsatter

    So many whiners complaining that Elfman is a whiner.

  • June 13, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    why didn't they just use the guy from Napoleon Dynamite

    by quadrupletree

    ?? That film was perfectly scored... Beck/Elfman are interesting choices to be sure, but if you've got something good going why change it? Same writer/director, same composer, it keeps a nice continuity IMHO.

  • June 13, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The simpson has had three composers...

    by emeraldboy

    Richard Gibbs, ALf Clausen and elfman. Has anyone see Nacho Libre. Is the first Jack Black film that is gonna tank? doesnt look to good. Maybe Paramount will ultimatley dump this on to DVD. Speaking of Jack Black, where is the Tenacious D movie.?

  • June 13, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Jenna Elfman is an idiot

    by emeraldboy

    Words of wisdom: aids does not exist...its a state of mind. Homer S: Doh!

  • June 13, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I can understand Elfman

    by moviemaniac-7

    He can be protective of his work and Zimmer and Williams aside there are maybe one or two composers whose scores don't get shit on. Listen to the use of the scores in most movies. Two or three themes and for the rest rock songs. These themes, beautiful on the cd, are fucked up by heavy editing and sound effects. Time to respect the composers!

  • June 13, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    maybe poor judgement

    by stvnhthr

    Harry you may want to rethink your inappropriate Nacho Libre animated image. I think you were trying for humor, but if I was the Mexican wrestling federation it would cause me to revoke my support of this website.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    DARKMAN!

    by MRJONZ72

    Am I the only here who liked this Darkman score?

  • June 13, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Benders, both he and Raimi were great on A Simple Plan

    by half vader

    Which was probably why he got the Spiderman gig. As for 'fun' themes don't forget Beetlejuice. I don't think anyone even mentioned that one (but o again you can hear it in Family Dog).__________________Who knows if it was just hearsay but as far as I knew supposedly Williams was really pissed off when Lucas just cut-and-pasted his stuff last minute on Phantom Menace. Didn't hear anything about the next two though. Maybe he made his opinion felt and Lucas did the right thing on 2 and 3. Guess we'll never know.

  • June 13, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Simple Plan - well that and Darkman

    by half vader

    Sorry meant to add that before.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    All of Elfman's shit sounds the same.

    by I Dunno

    And Spider-Man had the most insipid noodling I've ever heard in a mainsteam movie. Elfman's the most overrated composer in the history of film.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Nacho Libre DOES look awful

    by slone13

    ...AWFULLY GOOD!!! And Elfman's shit all sounds the same now. It was fun till around the late 90's. Then it just started getting old. See you in hell, chumps.

  • June 13, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Crikey...

    by Harysuxafat1

    someone get cracking on cloning John Williams please. All these other cry baby shit "composers" can suck it and bow to the master.

  • June 13, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Shermdawg you sure about that?

    by The Ender

    I think Tobey does an overall good job with Playing Peter Parker/Spider-Man. And he is a hell of a lot better choice than Decrapio (yes as in DE-CRAP-EE-YO)!

  • June 13, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Snakes on a Mexican Wrestler

    by Doctor_Sin

    Newsflash: Elfman takes his ball and goes home. Decries the loss of artistic merit in "Nacho Libre."

  • June 13, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Doctor_Sin

    Goldsmith's Legend score is simply amazing and is easily one of my favorite scores. That DVD rocks.

  • June 13, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST

    TO DIE FOR and FREEWAY have amazing themes...

    by beamish13

    and NIGHTMARE is probably his most accomplished work on a film, with the incidental music, theme, and songs all congealing into an amazing whole.

  • June 13, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    re: half vader

    by beamish13

    "Family Dog" was broadcast in 1986, a year after PEE WEE was released.

  • June 13, 2006, 3:15 p.m. CST

    re: Darth Bono Jr.

    by beamish13

    amen to that.

  • June 13, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    What is Nacho Libre about?

    by godhatesyou

    Is it about wrestling? I don't mean to be offensive or anything.......but this movie seems like something only Americans would like. (A bit like Jack Black)

  • June 13, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST

    re: godhatesyou

    by beamish13

    it's about a Mexican priest who moonlights as a wrestler to raise money for the children at his school. It's from the same people behind NAPOLEON DYNAMITE, so if you like that crap and/or Black's atrocious mugging-as-acting, you'll probably be enthralled by this.

  • June 13, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Who is Napoleon Dynamite?

    by godhatesyou

    Is he a wrestler?

  • June 13, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Elman's a thief anyway . . .

    by TEST_ME_BUB!!!

    Okay, don

  • June 13, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    YackBacker & Doctor_Sin

    by moviebrat

    Even though the special edition DVD of Legend has a little bit extra added, it

  • June 13, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Batman is better than Hellraiser....

    by godhatesyou

    Batman hasn't had quite as many shit sequels.

  • June 13, 2006, 4:43 p.m. CST

    by TEST_ME_BUB!!!

    Sadly that has nothing to do with the point I was making.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Who will like this movie?

    by godhatesyou

    Wrestling fans or Jack Black fans...........or is it a 'Snakes on a plane' type thing, where only people who were there at the start will like it?

  • June 13, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Who is Napoleon Dynamite

    by emeraldboy

    He is a character in self titled movie. Some like it some absolutely hated the movie. He lives with his brother when his mother takes off and thier obnoxious cousin comes to stay. Napoleon gets beaten up alot, makes a friend called pedro. the movie set off a fashion trend with Vote for Pedro T shirts. He has an afro, geeky glasses and adams apple and has a catchphrase " Sheesh Idiots". Napoleon Dynamite was played by Jon Heder.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    re: emeraldboy Is he a hero a bad guy.

    by godhatesyou

    A wrestler or what. Is the movie a comedy or is it action 'Napoleon Dynamite' sounds like a like a superhero/secret agent name.

  • June 13, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST

    actually Young scored that scene in spider-man 2

    by oscarmike

    that's why it sounded like Hellraizer because Raimi and the editor told him to make it sound like that. Elfman's original score for that scene along with about 80% of the stuff he wrote was tossed out

  • June 13, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Is Napoleon Dynamite a comedy?

    by godhatesyou

    Or is it serious?

  • June 13, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Elfman's Most Underrated Score Is...

    by readingwriter

    Dead Presidents. If you haven't heard it, you're in for a treat. I wish he would use his noggin' and come up with something more original for his superhero stuff, because this score proves that when he's on his game, no one can touch him.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Yes, I Dunno ...

    by Flickerhead

    ... one need only look at this talkback to see just how "overrated" Elfman is. Everyone just loves him. [end sarcasm] If you think all of Elfman shit sounds the same, you clearly haven't listened to all of his shit. Does he have a distinctive musical voice? Yes, that's what makes his interesting. He's not a cipher for the director or studio, and I, for one, wish there were more composers like him. (Oh yes, and you're all gay, live in your parents' basements, and aren't true fans. This site ain't what it used to be, the story is a plant, and first, bitches.)

  • June 13, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Some people will fucking complain about anything.

    by Darkman

    To anyone who thinks that Elfman's scores sound alike: clean the wax out of your ears and listen again. "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure", "Sommersby", "Batman", "Mars Attacks!", "Mission: Impossible", "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"...they don't sound a damn thing like each other! As for the "Nacho Libre" situation, I'll see the film, just to hear what he wrote.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST

    He left because of two words: Nacho Libre

    by andrew coleman

    Saw it a screening a week back. Horrible. The movie might be for kids under 10 and that's about it. Don't waste your money go see Cars or something.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    ha! i just wrote review where i mentioned...

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    that this was the best score Elfman had done in years.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST

    up and down

    by bah

    Pee Wee's theme is his masterpiece. Simpsons is good too. But it's always bothered me that those two, as well as Tales From The Crypt are so similar. "BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum BUM bum" UP UP UP UP UP then down down down then UP UP UP then down. Batman, too, but that doesn't have the BUM bum.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    and his name IS in the credits.

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    it listed like 26 music cues and and then said "by Danny Elfman" after just a long list of their titles. but i thought beck was doing the music in this.

  • June 13, 2006, 7:16 p.m. CST

    much hooha

    by thebearovingian

    I'm gonna lay it down for you guys. My favorite Elfman moment: the very end of Batman, Alfred drives off with Vicky, the camera rises up along the buildings of Gotham, the music grows stronger, higher and higher up we go toward the sky, the Bat-signal shines onto the moonlit clouds, there the caped crusader stands high above Gotham, the anthem reaches it climax, church bells, gong, fade to black. Am I crying right now? Laus Deo

  • June 13, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    That is a great Elfman moment

    by bmsatter

    one of many

  • June 13, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Another great Elfman moment

    by readingwriter

    The climactic scene in Delores Claiborn, when she taunts and then runs from hubby to trick him, and the music really lets loose, gets very in your face (so to speak)--like it's telling us "Shit, you are screwed now, get the hell outta there!" and the quieter material after.

  • June 13, 2006, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Simpsons theme = Jetsons plagiarism

    by CrispyOne

    Same damn thing.

  • June 13, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Jack Black and Kevin Smith should make a movie

    by Drunken Rage

    so I can get all my hating out in one dose. GodDAMN they're both no-talented, annoying pieces of shit.

  • June 13, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Anyone remember Fast Times (the TV series)?

    by Zeke25:17

    Based on the totally awesome movie? Elfman wrote the theme for it; sounded like vintage Oingo Boingo. By the way, sorry about the Scissorhands slipup above; of course it came after Batman. So as far as his work goes, I'd go Scissorhands, Batman, Beetlejuice. Everything else, while OK, certainly isn't worth getting so excited about that if the guy takes his name off a movie credit we should be horrified or something.

  • June 13, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Simpsons/Jetsons

    by bmsatter

    It's written in the same mode (Lydian) but that's about it. Lydian is so unqiue whenever you hear it it sounds a lot like other pieces written in the same mode.

  • June 13, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    If you really want to shout plagiarism in The Simpsons

    by bmsatter

    say that the opening chorus "The Simp-sons" is the same exact notes and rhythm as "Ma-ri-a" from West Side Story.

  • June 14, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST

    FORBIDDEN ZONE is an amazing score, too

    by beamish13

    Absolutely love the theme to it (watch the trailer online for it) and his take on "Minnie the Moocher"

  • June 14, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Hey Beamish, thanks for the correction.

    by half vader

    Shoulda looked it up. __________ Bmsatter, that reminds me - who was it that did that joke about Beethoven being in every peice of music ever written?

  • June 14, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST

    To All of you Elfman Haters....

    by ImperialBitch

    if Elfman sucks as much as "YOU THINK HE DOES"...then why is he most directors 2nd choice if they can't get john williams?? explain that to me ?? and why is Elfman the #1 cat to go to for comic related scores?? IF JOHN WILLIAMS IS A GOD THEN ELFMAN IS JESUS. Also why is no one mentiong BEETLEJUICE, THE FRIGHTENERS,DICK TRACY,HULK(which might lead to more work with Ang Lee, even though he didn't do Brokeback Mountain-obligations)DARKMAN(love the circus theme)and the such. now, all of the other composers are cool in my book but they each have their faults( Talk about plagerism...Eliot Goldenthal's Batman scores HELLO????) "I'll feed you to my ipod bitch"

  • June 14, 2006, 7:18 a.m. CST

    I before e except after c

    by half vader

    Gah. 'Piece'.

  • June 14, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Scientology

    by jasper Stillwell

    Elfman's a Scientologist right? And he's schtupping Jenna Elfman? I may need to convert. Everything he does sounds the same these days - press the button for generic superhero score.....jeez....

  • June 14, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE HELL?

    by casinoskunk

    Jenna Elfman married to Bhodi Elfman, Danny Elfman's Nephew! Danny is married to Bridget Fonda. To all you Zimmer Freaks: Zimmer needs to take a cue (no pun intended) from Elman and take his 'Music By' credit off of all his films that he did not do all the music for. That sucker has his cronies at Media Ventures do all his work for him. BOOOOOOOOO to Zimmer!

  • June 14, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Jenna

    by jasper Stillwell

    ...sorry I bow to your superior knowledge here. Just the thought of Jenna Elfman caused me great trouser confusion...which is where I keep my brains.

  • June 14, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST

    no, Elfman is not a Scientologist

    by beamish13

    (gott sei dank) you are confusing him with his brother Richard Elfman

  • June 14, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    TEST_ME_BUB!!! i was thinking the same thing..

    by Agent sith

    ..while watching that particular scene in spiderman 2. but more along the lines of; "somebody is gonna get sued" for sampling Hellraiser's theme. or was the composer just paying "Homage". If anyone deserved to be taken to the cleaners, was that horrible hack of a composer Harold faltermyer,for ripping off John Carpenter's escape from new york score..can you say; Bevely hills cop 2? Elman formally of 80's band oingo boingo is The offical composer of comic cinema and the intro/theme of Hulk was one of his greatest pieces. i don'tknow about nacho libre cause i won't waste my time seeing that piece of shite.

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