June 7, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST
never had time for a proper haircut.
June 7, 2006, 3:08 a.m. CST
has never actually been to a baseball game. The fresh air gives him hives.
June 7, 2006, 3:08 a.m. CST
senate majority leader bill frist hasn't been in the news much lately, but i'm sure he'd appreciate this new superman DVD as much as the rest of us.
June 7, 2006, 3:09 a.m. CST
Aw Harry I thought this was your Superman review. This looks good though.
June 7, 2006, 3:15 a.m. CST
is in no way related to Ken Burns. Just fyi.
June 7, 2006, 3:15 a.m. CST
Seriously, that was a pretty major bit in Supes history .. . and also pretty damn silly if you ask me. He's Superman - he can't friggin die. ARGH! Sorry, repressed geek-rage there.
June 7, 2006, 3:33 a.m. CST
Spoiler: Superman wins. Yawn...
June 7, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST
Always thought that was sort of cool - your middle initial having an exclamation point instead of a period. Someone should tell William H! Macy.
June 7, 2006, 4:12 a.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 4:13 a.m. CST
by The hoff
so do they mention gladiator (no not the ridley scott film) by philip wylie as the inspiration for superman. Kid with super strength, speed, can leap tall buildings grows up in small farm town, goes on to become a hero... Just curious if it gets a look in.
June 7, 2006, 4:17 a.m. CST
Why is Superman - Chris Reeve - placed in a tiny and blurred photo on the right?
June 7, 2006, 4:37 a.m. CST
Mark my words.
June 7, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 5:03 a.m. CST
I know some peeps are saying that Routh will not be that good, even though they have seen him in a trailer and saw photos of him. I'm just saying that Singer has a great track record of getting great performances out of his main characters: Spacey in Usual Suspects and Jackman, McKellan, and Stewart in the X-men movies. The odds shows that Routh will make a great Superman and since this generation has not seen a Superman movie in their lifetime I think they will accept him as the best one out of the whole group just like people have accepted Pierce Bronson as the best Bond even though we all know that Connery was the best.
June 7, 2006, 5:25 a.m. CST
Now you guys all go and watch Kevin Spacey's 1977 Star Wars edition here: http://tinyurl.com/m7u2y
June 7, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . where baby Kal-El landed in Germany & Superman was a Nazi. "This man is a jew!" And I was worried that this doc would be incomplete until I saw Gene Simmons was interviewed. Question, how many episodes of the cartoons are there. I have only seen the one where the dinosaur gets thawed out after being frozen in ice & the one where the crooks have the indestructable super-battering ram car.
June 7, 2006, 6:05 a.m. CST
Even Dean looks better than Brandon. Thats so fucking sad.
June 7, 2006, 6:32 a.m. CST
I live outside of the states, Europe, Ireland to be exact. What I want to know is, when here in Europe can we get our hands on this piece of gold dust. Any ideas folks?
June 7, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST
and usually reflects a talkbacker with no wit enough to make an interesting comment...
June 7, 2006, 6:38 a.m. CST
I agree that they're probably the best representation of Superman ever created but to tell you the truth I've never been able to get through them all. Why? Because once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Every single cartoon follows the exact same formula. A bad guy shows up, causes problems, Lois is kidnapped, Clark becomes Superman, saves Lois, and gets rid of the bad guy. That's it in a nutshell, EVERY time. They look great but yawn.
June 7, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST
James Bond just belongs in a late 60's early 70's setting.. And Connery embodied that perfectly. That, plus he was next to Dalton the only Bond who actually looked like a real superspy..
June 7, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST
Are you kiddin'? You just described about 85% of ALL Superman stories ever made in ANY medium! As the archetypal Superman story collection, it's not surprising Fleischer's cartoons would reflect that.
June 7, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST
I don't see a lot of recent comic book Superman writers up there. Am I missing something or are they? Basically, the whole thing looks more like a documentary on Superman in media *other* than comic books. That's funny.
June 7, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
Ah feel all is lost fer our great cause. Our brave boys wuz givin' them Yanks what fer real good-like. We wuz gonna march on Washin'ton and capture that scoundrel Abe Lincoln. But jest as we reached th' Potomac there was a bright light and all kinda hullabaloo in the sky. Next thang we know a flyin' man showed up. Sed he'd come through the "time barrier" or some sech. Well... he proceeded to display powers th' likes a which we couldn't believe... done most wiped out the whole Rebel army but good. Then he captured out great leader Jeff Davis an' made 'im disappear inna somethin' called a "phantom zome" wit' some gizmo. The South is done fer... I'm tired... so tired" - - General Bouregard O'Toole, Confederate Army, April, 1865
June 7, 2006, 7:39 a.m. CST
Wow - I cannot wait to see Returns not hit the box office WB expects because the demo they want knows Smallville as Superman and not Donner's screwball comedy.
June 7, 2006, 7:48 a.m. CST
none of the other Superboy's made the cover either. This is a good pic from Renato Guedes' website: http://tinyurl.com/ofr7l This film will bomb and I reiterate that Brandon Routh is the George Lazenby of Supermen. He will be viewed as an aberrant blip and this film wll be seen as a huge misstep. Superman will be rebooted again in ten years for the cinema.
June 7, 2006, 7:50 a.m. CST
If you notice... all of the pictures on the cover are of SUPERMAN... not Clark Kent. Hence the absense of Welling. And anyone who thinks that people's appreciation or familiarity of/with Smallville (and Superman Returns' lack of Wellingality) is going to have ANY effect on this movie... is just flat out deluded. Smallville is a great show but it is NOT representative of most of the general public's perception of SUPERMAN.
June 7, 2006, 7:52 a.m. CST
by Monkey Butler
Then Smallville is just plain shit...actually, regardless of what Donner's film is like, or what Singer's film is like, Smallville is just plain shit.
June 7, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST
Pun intended :P
June 7, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST
Lazenby rocked as Bond. OHMSS is one of the top 5 Bond films no doubt.
June 7, 2006, 8:16 a.m. CST
by jasper Stillwell
Yet every year I end up listening to someone trying to convince me that Roger MOORE was a great Bond because the first film they saw hopped out of their nut on e-numbers at the cinema was 'Man With the Golden Gun' or something (???) Anyway I have total faith in Daniel Craig (who I suspect will fall flat on his ass with the less imaginative members of the audience) even if he looks like he's about to tell me I can't come in without a tie in the new Bond clips. And I think Routh is beginning to look very suspect in the recent trailers - but we'll wait, Singer knows his actors. Sorry just spilt my pot noodle....
June 7, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST
There's a difference. While Lazenby did make a good Bond in a good Bond film, his perception in the public is not so favourable. It was to this phenomena that I refer. Lazenby's film had the misfortune of being in the middle of Connery sandwich in the series, as such he can't help but look bad to the public. Inevitable, unfavourable comparisons were made and Lazenby's name took on a whole new meaning. The same will be true of Brandon Routh. The public sees Christopher Reeve as Superman, his suit while chintzy is an awesomely simple design, he embodied the character in the same way that Sean Connery embodied Bond. By contrast Brandon Routh, while he may be good he may not, has a very expensive looking puffy and ornate suit that still looks just a bit shit and the purpose of which seems to be to accentuate his long skinny frame. Inevitable comparisons will be made to the Donner films and rightly so as this is all but a sequel to them or to parts of them, or parts of some but not parts of others onlyu it's years later and everyone is deaging, a result of Superman's turning the world backwards perhaps, is everyone growing younger by the day? There are references to films that many revere but some may not have seen the film cannot stand on its own and yet desperately stresses that we see it as a new beginning. Itg seems more like the end to the old series and it even stars Marlon Brando's angry corpse as Jor-El again, plus Spacey's Lex is just Hackman's Lex right down to motivation and Brandon Routh may look like a kind of 5th generation Multiplicity clone to Christopher Reeve but he is NOT Christoher Reeve. All of these connections and associations will only hamper the acceptance of this kid as Superman by the public and will result in the phenomena of Lazenbyitis. This will not be a good thing for Routh as in a head to head battle he is just a failed soap actor where Reeve was a Julliard trained thesp. So I again state that Routh will be seen as an heir to the "Lazenby" throne, hence Routh is the "Lazenby" of Supermen.
June 7, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST
Sacrilege! j/k - Can't say I blame you as I am a total old school Supes fan. I like how in the original comic and the Fleischer cartoons he didn't really fly so much as jump and glide. And he wasn't this god who walked the earth - he could get knocked out cold by falling debris. Kirk Alyn, George Reeves and Christopher Reeve OWN Routh, no matter how good he is. AND - why the fuck isn't Alyn on the cover? They could've plastered his face on there instead of the comic book pic and just colorized the photo or whatever. GIVE PROPS!
June 7, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST
Ranks up there with The Shadow and Green Lantern.
June 7, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST
i.e. Did they interview Margot in her padded cell? :-P
June 7, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST
the Death of Superman from the comics? Also the awful Electrosupes that DC tried out for awhile? Or does this just focus on the tv/movies/radio shows
June 7, 2006, 9 a.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/g6nb6 If only Singer had photoshop. ;)
June 7, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST
Or Ed McGuinness'. Good manip.
June 7, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST
ENOUGH WITH THE NEGATIVITY!!! what the fuck? have any of you actually seen the movie? give the goddamn thing a chance! You keep arguing that Harry's biased (which, granted, he prolly is, although that doesn't come from reading this review in particular), but most of you are completely biased too, only against it. "oooh, he can't beat Reeves", "hell no, it isn't Smallville", "Routh doesn't look the part", etc. I say we just wait until the movie comes out and THEN pass judgement. Personally, I'm really hoping for a great movie, and I think that's prolly what we'll get. Now shut up with the bad vibes, will ya?
June 7, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST
What is this fascination with this old creaky dinosaur. Y'all should spend your energy on something more relevant and hip, like the upcoming Ghost Rider movie. I can understand if this was a Superman vs. Doomsday adaptation...Hell, that would be fun, but Supes v. Luthor = BORING.
June 7, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST
It has been the same fucking survey since that no-name croaked over three fucking months ago!!! Surveys are fun. Can we get a new one like every week or two weeks? Fucking A!!!
June 7, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST
When are you gonna show Yoko your 5x9 wang? Can we get a review of her response? I just hadda ask!
June 7, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST
That's a good thing! O.H.M.S.S. = Greatest Bond Film EVER!
June 7, 2006, 10 a.m. CST
Not even close.
June 7, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST
You're absolutely right. I guess just watching all those cartoons in one sitting feels redundant after a while. Don't get me wrong, they're beautifully rendered, they're just best taken in small doses.
June 7, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST
Excellent point but just do what I do, rent and copy it. Does anyone really pay for DVDs anymore?
June 7, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST
About the Brosnan thing... A lot of people in my generation had their first encounter with a James bond with the new films. A LOT of people DON'T go back and watch an entire series of movies. It doesn't matter who was the greatest, who was first, who was in the best movie... If the first Bond movie I ever saw was Goldeneye, then when I thought of Bond, Brosnan would probably pop into my head. Just like Superman... the first Superman movie I saw was the Christopher Reeves film. Even though I have seen the old TV show, the old cartoon, Lois & Clark, Smallville, etc, etc... Christopher Reeves is what pops into my head. For a lot of people this movie will be their first encounter with Superman, and what they will associate the name with... good or bad.
June 7, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST
The reason that Frist hasn't been in the news much lately is that he's spending all his time on creating amendments outlawing gay marraige and flag burning, the #1 and #2 issues that are most impacting the USA right now. Everything else can take a back seat until we are assured that no child will ever have to see a gay couple burn a flag. On topic - I've been looking forward to this doc since I read all the Supes comics and saw the movies as a kid/teen. My concern was that this would be a big pimp fest for the new film, and I'm very, very happy to hear that is not the intention here after all. I'll be at Best Buy day and date for this one.
June 7, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST
Or, hopefully, 'scrumptious'?
June 7, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST
no? oh, no wonder harry loves it!
June 7, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST
by Dark Knight Lite
This guy has made some excellent docs. If you havent seen them, check out EMPIRE of DREAMS, BEHIND THE PLANET OF THE APES and MONSTER MANIA, they're time well spent. His HOLY BATMANIA is good too, but because of the Fox/Warner bullshit over Batman, was sadly incomplete.
June 7, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST
by Childe Roland
..."Chris Reeves?" His name is "Reeve," not Reeves. There was a "Reeves" in the tights at one time, but he had some issues Chris never had. So whaddya say, folks? How about respecting the guy we're trying to say was the definitive version of the character by getting his fucking name right?
June 7, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST
Come on. The movie isn't even out yet and we're getting a documentary? Just kidding! ACtually, not soon enough. I wonder if I'll be able to rent it from Hollywood Video. Hollywood sucks about special releases like this. But they'll have the next Direct-to-DVD Jean Claude Vandamme piece-o-crap.
June 7, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST
There were 17 all total (as Harry mentioned). A good breakdown on the series can be found at http://tinyurl.com/k4qby
June 7, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST
the subliminal title; as a collective yawn escapes teh movie going public; been there, done that. where are the mutants? snikt!
June 7, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST
I can't believe how negative some people are on this site. It's like, how many Debbie Downers can one website withstand? I'm not saying that everyone should be jumping up and down in excitement everytime a movie comes out, but it seriously seems that some people on this site will not allow themselves to have fun with anything. Routh might not be as good as any of the other people who played Superman, yet isn't that something that would be best said AFTER you've actually seen the movie? Give the guy a break.
June 7, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST
I'm very excited about this doc...and thanks Harry for mentioning that it plays on A&E June 12th. Not sure if I can wait until the 20th. Must own!
June 7, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
June 7, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST
Generally I don't bring this kind of stuff up on fan sites, but Harry lacks the basic skills of sentence construction. The *second sentence* of the article is already missing a half. And he does it all the time. It's like he starts a thought, and loses it halfway, and then just goes in a completely different direction - without commas, or dashes, or anything. Having to read a sentence three times to parse it is *really* annoying - and I'm *Croatian*, for God's sake, it's not like I should care about this kind of stuff! It's just *so* grating. Ask Drew for some lessons, man, we'd all appreciate it.
June 7, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST
I'm renting it tonight if it is!!
June 7, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST
Not sure how to tell you this, but Lazenby's bond didn't suffer because it was (in hindsight) between Connery and moore. The film is bad. BAD. I can say this because i'm a Bond nut and I just couldn't bring myself to sit through it a second time. I understand it has the edgy Bond thing happening, but c'mon. The film was a failed experiment. There is no denying this.
June 7, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...as a fellow nut, what do you think about the idea that while, yes, Lazenby's version of the character didn't go over well with his sly winks at the camera and the film's general self awareness bordering on self-parody, it did pave the way for Moore's Bond (my least favorite take on the character, who was almost like the 60s-era Batman (not in on the joke he'd become). Connery was clearly the man and Dalton came close to recaturing that spirit, but doesn't it seem like the film makers were trying to take Bond in a very self consciously comedic direction for a while there (Moonraker, anyone?). I wonder sometimes.
June 7, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST
by Borgnine JR
George "Goober "Lindsey of Supermen.
June 7, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST
did you just give smack to the 60's batman? I"ll track you down if i have to! Actually, no I think you're onto something. i always though 'Live and let die' with it's black pimps and flared pants was only saved by it's title song. Moore was something else entirely though. Actually, I think it's a safe bet that ALL the bonds somehow hold their own. But the problem with Bond is that when it tries to pump in some humour it just ends up looking goofy and dumb. Dalton is an interesting bond for the simple fact that ever time I watch I either hate it or love it - there's just no way to know how I'll take it next. Having not seen a fairly decent scene with Routh as superman, I must say he does have that Lazenby Potential. but I think he'll end up more like Dalton. He'll get a sequel, then the whole superman Franchise will be spent and we'll get our ALL NEW superman film in a decade.
June 7, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST
...Bruce "Nowhere Man Tom Veil" Greenwood of Supermen.
June 7, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...I don't mean to slam 60s Batman. For what that show was, it was pretty perfect (camp all the way) and West's deadpan performance...like he was the only one taking the whole thing seriously...is priceless. I can watch hours of that. I agree on Live and Let Die. My wife caught me watching that a week or so ago and asked if it was "I'm Gonna Git You Sucka!" or something. I told her "Or something." Of Moore's work, I think The Spy Who Loved Me is the only one I can really watch without shaking my head bemusedly. And, for what it's worth, I think you're probably dead on with your Routh/Dalton analogy. He may well be very good in the role, but the movie itself might undermine him (by tying itself so closely to the Donner/Reeve mythos). I think Routh's Superman movies (there should be about three when all's said and done) will be acceptable and even enjoyable to many, but won't ever really cement him as the character in most folks' minds (because they'll be constantly comparing him to Reeve and/or Welling, if they swing that way) and he won't measure up to either recent incarnation in the minds of those actors' fans. The few who aren't affected by previous allegiances won't feel strongly enough to necessitate anything beyond the third film, and Supes will go away for a while. It'd be great if that weren't the case, though. How potentially cool would a Supes/Batman crossover flick featuring Bale and Routh be after each of those characters have completed three-film arcs?
June 7, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST
"My name is Clark Kent...or at least it was..."
June 7, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST
There's never been a documentary on the history of Superman, ever. So what are you comparing it too?
June 7, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST
by Napolean Solo
That should be Tom Welling. Lois & Clark is one chapter of the Supes saga that could easily be forfeited in place of Smallville- for the front cover at least!
June 7, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST
...then it would probably be there. Otherwise the image theme is broken.
June 7, 2006, 1:53 p.m. CST
I think it's great that Dean Cain is on the cover. It just proves that the documentary is comprehensive enough to include a show like "Lois and Clark," even though the show is by no means a classic.
June 7, 2006, 1:58 p.m. CST
on the history of Superman, ever. Yes there has -- there was one on television (I believe in the 80's) during Superman's 50th Anniversary. It had a bit of a camp twist, and wasn't very good, but did have some clips of rare stuff. I can't remember the name of it -- sorry.
June 7, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST
doesn't show Kirk Alyn?
June 7, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST
For my money, was by far the best and most iconic representation of Superman in a non-comic medium. I don't see any mention of it in your review of the documentary. Is it covered? Bruce Timm and Paul Dini deserve their props, as do Tim Daly and George Newburn for providing amazing voices for the man of steel. And I agree Seinfeld definitely belongs somewhere in the doc.
June 7, 2006, 2:17 p.m. CST
I read an old interview w/Connery, who mentioned that although he enjoyed Daltons' take on Bond, he also felt that he (Dalton) underestimated the role by not infusing it with a little sense of humor. I really feel bad for Brosnan though because he was saddled with sub-par scripts and paint by the numbers direction...He really wanted the Brocoli's to beef up the scripts with edgier and grittier material but the Brocolis' was just more comfortable with their same stale formula...But I do have high hopes for Casino Royale because the teaser trailer looks kinda lean and mean. I have little hope for Superman because Warners as usual is playing it safe by releasing a glorified re-make of that over-rated 70's Reeve/Hackman cheese fest.
June 7, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST
How the fuck do people who come to AICN not know the history of Smallville? The goddamn WB film division has tried to have Smallville killed off numerous times, much to Harry's happiness. Welling is not on the cover because they do not want to remind people that he's still Superman! It's not that hard to deduce. Normal people - those who *don't* fucking know who the hell Lazenby is and that he even replaced Connery - will look at the DVD box and recognize Reeves, Cain, Welling and *who's that fucking guy in the middle*? Hell, some people would probably get him confused with Dean Cain...some of you actually think a person in marketing thought "Welling can't be on the cover because he's portraying Superboy". What reality is that? Welling has more face recognition as Superman than anyone but Reeves. He's on the highest rated WB show and coming off the best ratings ever - and you think this is about character? The *excuse* is that it's about Superboy. The reality is WB Film is terrified that more people - normal people - are going to still think of Welling as Superman over Routh.
June 7, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST
First of all, what you may hear and what I have heard about Bronson may be in disagreement. I'm not a hardcore fan of the Bond franchise but there are people that live on this planet whose lives do not revolve around movies. Those people might have only seen the most up to date movies of icons such as Bond. I know of people who still have not seen the original StarWars trilogy(which to this day still boggles me). You are saying that EVERYBODY agreed that Bronson wasn't the best but your only talking about geeks and guys that grew up with Connery. And I have read in the media and online that people have picked Bronson as the best Bond. As for your second comment, you really took it literally! I was referring to people who were GROWING up and seeing movies that came out in their lifetime. But that doesn't mean that they haven't gone back and seen older movies. Remember, the Superman movies came out in '78 and '80. Talk to the generation that are either in their teens, in college and their early 20's. Most of them haven't even saw it and the ones that I know have seen it think it's kinda campy. So think what you want to think.
June 7, 2006, 3:07 p.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST
I like how he's trying to justify that a guy who doesn't have a Superman costume should be appearing on a cover that is all about people in the Superman costume. He's in the freaking documentary, surely.
June 7, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST
This is getting ridiculous. We might as well argue why the Fleischer Superman isn't on the cover. Or any of the multitude of comic book depictions. I hated Lois and Clark and Smallville was kind of 'eh'/ok. So, until Routh proves he can be the 3rd "R" in the triumverate, we have Reeves and Reeve as the ultimate icons of Superman.
June 7, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST
Look man, I can understand that you love Smallville, as I'm a fan of the show myself, but I think you're getting a little carried away. Honestly, the motif of the DVD's cover does show a certain evolution of the character IN COSTUME. This is a costume that Welling has never worn on the show. I'm not talking about the quality of the show in any way, I'm just making a statement about the visual asthetics of the DVD cover which features several versions of the hero IN COSTUME. I'm really not sure why Smallville fans insist on having one or the other as far as Routh or Welling is concerned. I'm not even sure Welling would want to play the character on film, as he's made statement hinting so. Even so, if you're a fan of the character of Superman, you should relishing this time instead of being so negative. Big Blue is coming back to the big screen and in September, will return to TV as well. So what that Welling isn't in the suit? This is a separate continuity from the show anyway and would really mean the death of Smallville on TV, where as right now, I know the creators would like to keep the show going for at least another 2 years. My single greatest confidence in this film comes from the fact that Bryan Singer is a devout lover of the Superman mythology. I know he would not like to hurt that legacy in any way and what I've seen seems to have captured the class, humor, and epic scope (which is still the biggest of any Comic Book movie ever created)of Donner's original which he holds in high regards. Singer also has stated publicly that he respects what Smallville has been able to do to the Superman mythos and that can be seen here as well in the update of Lex Luthor and look of the Kent's farm which seems to be an integration of the Smallville Farm and Donner's original look. This negatvity towards the movie seems unfounded as after suffering through years of Peterson and Burton wanting him to not be in the cape or being able to fly, to McG's stunt casting BEYONCE KNOWLES! I remember cringing at that one. At first I wasn't impressed with Routh, but it beats Nic Cage or Aston Kutcher. I like that he's never been in anything before, so I'll not associate anything with him except SUPERMAN which is exactly how it should be.
June 7, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST
Who cares who's on the dvd cover? They talk about "Smallville" in the documentary. Isn't that good enough?
June 7, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST
WB metrosexual superman with red lipstick. Hairs too long. Never wears the costume. Crapiest superman. Anybody who likes this smallville (buffy/x-files) show needs their head examed.
June 7, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST
I'm sure whenever they make a new "stylish" Superman "anime"ted series to capitalize on the movie for Kids CW, THAT will be the worst Superman ever.
June 7, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST
Jesus, that article was all over the place, going on and on about a personal experinece with the Fleschier toons, but then glossing the rest? You said it touches on everything - does that include the unaired Superboy pilot, the video games (2 of which are heralded as the worst videogames ever), the Supergirl movie, etc??? I wouldn't know because I had to read about how you saw the old Fleschier toons on big-screen. Yay.
June 7, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST
upcoming 14 disc Superman Collection boxed set that's due out sometime around November or so, although that hasn't been officially confirmed. Still, if you're cheap you might want to wait and find out, especially if you plan on buying that set.
June 7, 2006, 5:35 p.m. CST
...REAT! I have faith in Returns. I enjoyed the hell out of Lois & Clark with Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher. He least he was Supes in that series and not...well I don't even know what Welling is supposed to be. I don't see how it would even be possible for Smallville to move onto the actual classic Supes story. In fact, it couldn't. So it's a good job that ain't gonna happen. Fuck the Cain haters in the face, twice, until their teeth fall out and they choke on my ejaculate.
June 7, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 6:15 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
You know, that cheesy but fun '90's syndicated show--which by the way just came out on DVD. Noticed it at Best Buy the other day.
June 7, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST
by hank henshaw
Really? I see a lot of people believe this. I just don't see it. He apparently knows inside out the Reeve/Donner/Lester movies, and has some knowledge of the Fleischer animated serials. Other than that, no interview or article I've read about Singer has led me to believe he is a fan of this character. For all I know he was hired based solely on his success with the X-Men movies.
June 7, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST
Because for me he means the most to Superman. Hey Harry, is the Brando stuff going to be in the Superman II SE?
June 7, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST
"I try to make a point that in the same way he's a great American Superhero, he's also the ultimate immigrant. He comes from a foreign land, essentially. He dons the clothing of his special heritage and embraces his special heritage in many ways and at other times tries to adapt to the culture by being Clark Kent. So his multiple personalities are very much of the immigrant, which is very much what America is at heart." This was an interview Singer had recently in SciFi Channel magazine. Does this sound like a guy that doesn't care about the mythos of Superman? I don't know if you've ever heard Kevin Smith talk about Jon Peters and the reason Peters gave as to why he wanted Sean Penn to play Superman. He told him he kept saying how underneath Penn's nice guy image was the soul of a killer. Does that sound like the person that should be in charge of crafting Superman? Yet here he was, trying desperately to get Burton to craft this awful version of Big Blue. With Singer I see a movie with class and respect, and that knows deeply exactly what this character is all about. I love that picture of Singer holding up the sign that has I Heart Superman. Its a picture like that, that gives me hope that Superman Returns will be awesome and the movie I've been waiting for, for nearly that last decade.
June 7, 2006, 7:02 p.m. CST
by Gay Jesus Christ
Do they explain the deep mystery of why every Superman has had bad shit happen to them?
June 7, 2006, 7:06 p.m. CST
that's all, really
June 7, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST
His eyes look too slanted. He didn't capture the brawn and spirit of Superman. It seemed like a nobody from the streets became Supes. Superman supposed to a commanding presence. Chris Reeves captured that the best. Alex Ross paintings as well and Action Comics. Even the 50's TV show. While funny today. There was something George Reeves as Superman. Like you didn't mess with this guy. Right now Brandon Routh isn't exactly capturing that. He seems too young, but I'll wait till i see the movie.
June 7, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST
...but what happened to Kirk Alyn? Dean Cain? And what about Jack Cassidy, who played Supes on Broadway? Dude sired Keith Partridge, but that's not a curse. Oh, wait...Jack Cassidy died in a horrible fire caused by falling asleep with a lit cigarette. Guess there is something to this curse after all.
June 7, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST
by dead youngling
They couldn't get the sculpting right for Brandon's face, and it just looks goofy. I've got this DVD on my Blockbuster queue and can't wait to see it. Cain shouldn't have been on the cover--should've been a comic picture and Chris Reeve only.
June 7, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST
So I dunno about purchasing it, perhaps i'll just tape it off A&E, all encompassing docs are always a great watch [Empire of Dreams, the King Kong one, etc.]
June 7, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST
It appears that the Routh's curse has manifested itself as whiny bitchy ass fanboys who bash him about inconsequential shit without even having seen the film yet. "WWhhhhaaaaa, he's not big enough. Whhhaaaaa, he's too young. Whhhaaa, the red is too dark in the costume. WHHHHHAAAA" Sadly, he would have been better off with the previous Supermen's curses.
June 7, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST
I can't believe that throughout the entire article AND the talkback only a couple of my fellow Superman fans have brought up the Dini-Timm animated version (that just came to an end with JLU.) I love the first two Reeve movies, but I consider the latest animated version to be the definitive (that goes for their Batman as well, even though Batman Begins was good). Where's the love, guys?
June 7, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST
Oh and Smallville isn't "shit". The top episodes of that show rival the first two Reeves films easily in quality Superman entertainment. Lois & Clark blows btw.
June 7, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST
What the hell you smokin', boy?
June 7, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST
Hey WB, good luck with a somewhat decent return of $250 million domestically for this movie. You better hope it flies high internationally.
June 7, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST
ROUTH ON 'ROIDS! Too bad I haven't been successful at shrinking Jackman into a more accurate Logan.
June 7, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST
Don't deny it. It's flawed, but great.
June 7, 2006, 9:36 p.m. CST
What do they say about the Superboy series of the early '90's? God, that was a terrible show! In some shots, they had to blur the background to hide the wires!
June 7, 2006, 9:53 p.m. CST
June 7, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST
it's Routh. that ain't Superman. also, RIP Alex Toth.
June 7, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST
This is evident as they show as little of his acting as possible in the trailers. The action sequences had better be good...
June 7, 2006, 10:32 p.m. CST
characterization alone. It's the best depiction of Superman to date. But the Fleisher cartoons are visually stunning and we would never have had Superman or Batman:TAS without them.
June 7, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST
There are OTHER documentaries on Superman??? As in more than one?? Seriously?
June 7, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST
June 8, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST
best episodes as good or better than Superman I or II? Sorry, your Superman fan club card has been revoked. Clark: "I can't tell Lana who I am cause she might get hurt." Jor-El: "My son, what are you, stupid?! You told Pete, Chloe, Dr. Swan, and lest we forget your adoptive parents and they're still alive. Well 90% anyway. Oh and PS Lana is always going to be in danger whether you tell her or not so get over youself and get a BJ from her. Believe me you'll feel much better. Oh and fulfill your destiny. Dad out."
June 8, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST
June 8, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST
You know, I've tried to watch this show, but there's just to much bullshit that goes with it. Every week seems to have a new 'baddie' with more powers than Clark Kent. I think the mytho's of superman in Smallville is stretched as badly as Enterprise did for Star Trek. It's just NOT RIGHT! Whats worse is that the whole idea of having a series set around clark Kent as a teenager growing up isn't all that bad an idea. But what they've done to it is just plain fucking bizarre. Even Lois & Clark wasn't THAT bad. it got pretty bad towards the end, but it wasn't to bad. Superboy.... now that was a piece of shit! Remember those Digital speed ups of the footage. Man that was shit.
June 8, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST
Now I like Clooney and I think he would have made a good batman in a better film with a better costume a better director and a script that made more sense. Everything I just said about Clooney will oneday be said about Brandon "Lazenby" Routh, if he's lucky. Also Tom Welling's not that bad, but what's the desal with Smallville's writers? What the idea of a teenager with the world's greatest secret growing up in Smallville Kansas didn't have enough potential for them that they felt the need to cram it full of bizarre prophecies, magic and Kryptonite villains of the week? Smallville should just be a more interesting version of The OC with the main character secretly being a superpowered alien from Krypton with the world's coolest abilities. That idea has so much potential that it's a damn shame the writers didn't have enough faith in their abilities to write interesting characters dealing with everyday situations all based around this simple awesome premise. Oh and to whomever pointed it out, yes Superman The Animated Series by Bruce Timm et al is indeed the best version of Superman in any medium ever. No-one's said it here because it truly does go without saying. Even my pointing it out seems redundant.
June 8, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST
In another version of Batman. Clooney versus Bettany or Glover would have been great, with a heavy film noir undertone. Unfortunately, he got stuck with Schumhack's ultra-gay, nipple having, technicolor dreamboat version of Batman. Oh, and Tom Welling is HORRIBLE. Jake Lloyd as a 20 year old, with a little less emotional range. Search your feelings, you know it to be true.
June 8, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST
Clark did not tell his parents, or Chloe, they discovered his powers on there own. So did Dr.Swan. Pete was the only recurring character he told, and looked what happened to him? FBI went after him. Theres so many reasons he can't tell Lana, most importantly, his fear that she would blame him for her parents death.
June 8, 2006, 1:47 a.m. CST
"on there own"? "looked at what happened to him"? Ugh, speed typing, lack of sleep, and no edit option will do that to ya.
June 8, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST
In a much better batman film. We all KNOW he has the chops, and he blames himself needlessly for that film's failure when Schumacher is really to blame, and Akiva Goldsman and Dennis Miller. Similarly I believe that with this ghawdawful film Singer will achieve in 2.5 hours what Lex Luthor has unsuccessfully tried to accomplish since his introduction in 1940. Singer = Doomsday.
June 8, 2006, 2:43 a.m. CST
That photoshop of Brandon Routh on steroids is horrible. Do you really want Superman to look that ridiculously bulked up? Are you ABKing?
June 8, 2006, 6:27 a.m. CST
Aside from the fact that the whole idea of Smallville is stupid (I don't believe it's necessary to explain every aspect of someone's origin, I'll watch the show when he becomes Superman and wears the costume in every episode), the fact is that Welling is just a shitty actor. He has one look, serious/haunted. He's just awful. The ongoing popularity of this show baffles me. What's next, a TV series based on Neo when he was a teenager? Episode 1, Neo purchases a TRS80.
June 8, 2006, 7:31 a.m. CST
I was going for a younger Alex Ross Supes, or even the Supes from Dark Knight with that Routh on 'roids pic.
June 8, 2006, 7:50 a.m. CST
She is actually a great character, and Allison Mack is a great actress. It's a shame she's been tied to Smallville for so long. She won't have any trouble moving onto other things, unlike Welling who WILL experience the Supes curse.
June 8, 2006, 8:06 a.m. CST
There are two "shining lights" on that show. The second being John Glover. "I like that. Good!"
June 8, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST
June 8, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST
A show about a teenager with the world's biggest secret on his shoulder's. Discoevering and learning to use his powers while coming to terms with the weight and responsibility of his Kryptonian Birthright. *Thumbs Up* That's be an awesome series, why didn't they make THAT show?
June 8, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST
killed the potential futures of X-men and Smallville? Did Singer leave the X3-X4 over because of a falling out with Rothman, or did he just ditch the mutants for Superman just because he could? X-men, Returns, and Smallville are so intertwined it's crazy. Hell, it even has ties to Supernatural. Paledeki was considered for the Supes role at one point, the show is filmed in Vancouver, his co-star was on Smallville, the producer was lined up to direct at one point...
June 8, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST
on the bigscreen here in Illinois. I sat down with my popcorn, soda and peanut M&M's and felt like I was 6 years old again. What an awesome feeling! I'll be in line on the 28th for Superman Returns and I'll be at my local, overpriced retail outlet for this DVD! Long live Supes.
June 8, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST
I caught the original Superman at the Apollo Theatre in Downtown Peoria. talk about a stroll down memory lane.
June 8, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST
Sorry Yackbacker, obviously there's no additional 'B' in yer name. Subpermabn wabs stibll coobl thoubgh.
June 8, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
They should have Tim Daly in the documentary before Tom Welling. Word!
June 8, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST
I am just thrilled with all the great Superman stuff coming out...and I bet Jerry Seinfeld is too! LOL. I agree with the talkbacker that said the Superman TAS (and Justice League) really brought the character to life in major ways...vulnerable and likeable and all around SUPER. I recall one episode of Justice League where Hawkgirl says, "I don't understand you humans" to which Kal-El just stares at her. She stammers, "Oh-sorry, I forgot" And Superman replies, "That's Ok, I take it as a compliment" THAT'S A KICK-ASS HERO. -Prof. Griffin
June 8, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST
Some shots of Brandon, as Superman, make his upper body appear a little small in proportion to his legs. I discovered later that it was an illusion, when the cape is draped over his shoulders. That's a visual mistake, in my eyes. Call it a wardrobe malfunction if you want. The director's artist-eye should have noticed this. When the cape is draped over Brandon's shoulders, it shouldn't hide his shoulders to the point of illusion. Turns out the guy isn't disproportionate, after all. If his acting is worthy, he should otherwise fill the cape just fine.
June 8, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST
I just bought a house a few months ago and, hand to God, when I saw my basement, the first thing I thought was.....Sweet! I FINALLY have a place for all my Superman stuff. I'm such a geek that I bought the SOBE energy drink with the Supes logo on it, as well as all the cereal coming out with the Logo on it. And God help me they'll remain unopened. As for the new DVD coming out, it kinda hacked me that Chris Reeve wasn't more prominently placed. He IS and will forever be SUPERMAN! Holy shit I'm a geek.........a geek with a basement. Tee hee...
June 8, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST
Blah Blah Blah Whine Whine Whine. Harry is a plant. Harry is a whore. Harry loves everything. Harry hates everything. Did I forget anything?
June 8, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST
I don't think his Superman was really that spectacular, just average. Not that that is his fault, but I don't understand why he is looked at as the holy grail of superdom. Best movie adaptation so far? YES. But then again there has only been one movie adaptation series so far aside from old serials. The truth is I really don't think there has been any live action Superman that really embodied the guy.
June 8, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST
...didn't have much of a career after 1952 until 70s nostalgia for old serials (and the absence of George Reeves). He died of natural causes related to Alzheimer's disease at the age of 88 in March 1999. I'm not sure I'd like to have Alzheimers...
June 8, 2006, 4:43 p.m. CST
And the real Superman is shoved at the side?
June 8, 2006, 4:46 p.m. CST
Its because a full body shot would reveal his costume looks nothing like the others.
June 8, 2006, 5:28 p.m. CST
red-spandexed nutsacks appeared before together in any way shape or form at the same time. It's a Supersausagefest!
June 8, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST
Chris Reeve is looking at Routh and thinking, "Bitch!"
June 8, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST
in the x men tb's everyone thinks he made a great film with x2 but his leaving resulted in Ratner's turdfest. And here everyone's bitching about his superman because what? The costumes slightly different, he's had the audacity to cast an unknown actor who isn't Chris Reeves or *shudder* Tom Welling. It seems to me Singer is being careful not to tread on Donner's or Smallville's toes. We're getting a new Superman film from a great director featuring Kevin Spacey as Lex. What more do you want? We should be glad that he care's so much about the character to make this documentry. Imagine If JJ Abrams version had been made by McG or Brett Ratner, or the one Kevin Smith was hired to write? A superman not wearing the costume, not flying and fighting a giant spider. We should all thank our lucky stars Singer has directed this. And Smallville does have it's moments but more often than not it's cheesy shit. I watched one episode where Clark lost his sight and actually said the line "I might be blind but I see things clearer than ever". Fucking awful, it's like Buffy never happened, that show seriously needs some humour and irony and less witch Lana plots.
June 8, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST
Are u guys bitching about the cover..its obvious....Bryan Singer had a hand in the making of this DVD, what else would u expect...? You fanboys are a very intelligent yet naive bunch. BTW Why the big deal over Reeves, he bored the shit out of me...and dont knock Routhe about having a "long and skinny frame", Reeves was about as normal a built person as u could find. Fuck Reeves and everyone that looks like him.
June 8, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST
Just because everyone on here thinks it's hip to bash Smallville doesn't mean you should. I know you're all trying to make friends online because obviously you have none in real life, but come on. Think for your self. And I retract my statement that the best episodes of Smallville rival or are better that Superman I or II. I was a bit angry at the time of my previous post. But they are the single best live action thing since them. Fuck Lois & Clark, Marv. Fuck'em good.
June 8, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST
Dean looks like a Mexican Superman
June 8, 2006, 7:12 p.m. CST
Kind of like Tom Cruise.
June 8, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST
I have no problem with the actors, just the stupid, stupid writing.
June 8, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST
My only complaint against Routh is he does look a bit too young for my tastes. But it's not that big of a deal to me. Why does that photo on the DVD color look like Routh has dyed hair with his roots showing though?
June 8, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST
by white owl
CHRIS REEVE WILL ALWAYS BE THE GREATEST SUPERMAN! And why he isn't top-center on that dvd cover just boggles the mind. I know this is all hype for SR.. but come on.. if you're doing a history of Superman, Reeve belongs as a feature for the cover, am I right? AM I RIGHT?
June 8, 2006, 9:07 p.m. CST
I know he's a huge fan. We get to hear his monotone voice
June 8, 2006, 9:09 p.m. CST
The more i see and hear this guy he reminds me of Chris Reeves. But in younger form.
June 8, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST
Just an afterthought about what you said. By no means am i saying your right or wrong. I looked at the documentary DVD cover to figure out the layout and as I can see they decided to start off at the bottom with the earliest incarnations of Superman with George Reeves and comic book art then as you move on up the DVD cover and through time you get the Superman movies and the TV show where you end up on top with the current image. Just my theory. Until I see the new movie, Christopher Reeve is the first image of Superman that comes to mind, but then again Micheal Keaton was the same way with me until Batman Begins came out and now I view Christian Bale as the best Batman/Bruce Wayne to date.
June 8, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST
by Doom II
The BEST superhero movies (or shorts) are animated. Period. The 40's Superman cartoon, The 90's Batman, The 60's and newer Mtv Spider-Man cartoons, the 90's Silver Surfer series (excellent and intelligent!), the 1960's AND 90's Fantastic 4 series were better than the film etc..... Keep it animated!
June 8, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST
because they don't have high production costs to worry about, and they have a limitless ammount of time to do multiple stories, rather than a two hour period to flesh out characters and one plot.
June 8, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST
I tried to give Smallville a chance each season, but to no avail. After experiencing the superior storytelling and plotting of the writing staff of Mutant Enemy, i just refused to settle for dreck. Anyone who thinks that Smallville is compelling tv is either so desperate to see Superman (or any incarnation) on tv or they're on crack...Come on people, this show makes Charmed look like art. It's like the WB put the mandate out to the producers/writers to create a cross-pollination that comprises a dash of Dawson Creek/90201/Xfiles/Passions and end all eps. with Clark making up/breaking up or lying to cover up for his Superman hijinx while the viewers have to suffer through some lame-ass fuck-me-i'm-sensitive-James Blunt-like ballad...And yes i know that Steven DeKnight cut his teeth while writing for Mutant Enemy, but i guess he has to make a living too until something comes along that will allow him to escape the mediocrity that is LAMEVILLE.
June 8, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST
Superman has always and will always be boring...and kryptonite is silly. what's with that dorky forehead curl anyway? Now...a man who dresses as a bat is perfectly reasonable though. Night bondage and wards are hawt!
June 9, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST
Where's the SUPERBRAIN MOVIE?! I suppose that would require actual superbrains in Hollywood. Nevermind.
June 9, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST
by Alen Smithee
Due, unless you've seen the film -- I don't think your a qualified judge on Brandon's abilies or anyone else in the film for that matter.
June 9, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST
For all you Smallville fans, I do respect your opinion and fandom of whatever show you guys love to watch, but PLEASE PLEASE do not ever give us this bs and try to convince us, the people who do not watch the show, of stuff such as smallville will own Superman Returns, Welling is a better Superman(he's not even Superboy in smallville for cyring out loud, just plain ole Clark Kent!) than Routh, yada yada.... The best I heard from someone on this TB to prove that smallville is better than SR is that it was the top rated show on the WB. Ha Ha Ha!!! That is like saying your the smartest kid on the retard bus. LOL. To be honest, I do not know ANY guy that watches smallville. I tivo'ed it one day to check it out and my friends saw it on my recorded list and since then they have given me shite about it. Heck, I do not know ANY girls that watch it either and that is what that show looks like it is geared to. I really can not wait to hear some of you on a TB after SR comes out, but of course your probably already biased that it will "suck" so your opinion is already tainted. You know what would be good for smallville next season; is if the powers to be let Singer exec produce smallville. Then maybe it will be watchable, probably as good as his other show on TV, House.
June 9, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST
when it's the best incarnation of Supes to grace the small or big screen, PERIOD. Yes it has some bad writing, but lets be honest, Superman ain't Shakespeare. It's not even as deep as X-men. At least they tried to do something different, something modern with the property. Don't get me wrong, I've liked what I've seen of Returns, but it isn't a modern Supes. It just feels like a retread. Smallville has the potential to be something big. And maybe one day it will get a spinoff flick. You guys want to compare Bond to Supes? Well, Tom is Brosnan then. And just like Pierce, he will get his moment one day. (crosses fingers) And hopefully his track record will be better than Brosnans 2 out of 4 flicks that were good. (Let me clarify, Goldeneye is one, and TWINE and DAD were both halfway decent.)
June 9, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST
people who have NO right to even judge the show or it's fans. One episode, you've seen one episode! lol
June 9, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST
You just proved my assertion that whoever enjoys Smallville is so desperate to see Supes on tv that they are willing to settle...By your own admission, you stated that the writing is bad (albeit some). How about being honest with yourself and admit that 87% of it is just godawful formulaic poorly executed crap...And heaven knows, i tried to give it a chance because i needed something to replace my Angel fix, but all this post 80's woe is me teen angst bullshit played out in damn near every ep. is nothing more than lazy exposition.
June 9, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST
If you're not careful, people are going to think that you have some kind of homo-erotic-like affection for Mr. Welling and since i doubt that you've seen Mr. Rouths' performance as Superman, i would suggest that you hold all irrational and negative critiques until you've seen the movie first...Who knows, you may like his performance.
June 9, 2006, 3:06 a.m. CST
I actually enjoy Smallville.. And even though that girl who plays Lala Lang is pretty cute, she annoys the fuck out of me whenever whe's on screen. Why is that?
June 9, 2006, 3:20 a.m. CST
Prime example: 24!
June 9, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST
Everyone know's Rosenbaum's waaay hawter! :P
June 9, 2006, 5:24 a.m. CST
and everyone one of us with open eyes can tell this kid lacks charisma his costume blows and so on and so forth. Really dud(e) if you want people to take you seriously, learn to freakin type.
June 9, 2006, 5:31 a.m. CST
wht the hell does "the Homr Simpson of the internet" mean? Even when spelled correctly it still makes no sense. Unless you're complimenting me on my initial hilarity and widespread appeal which gradually grates on people the more contact they have with me... maybe that's it.
June 9, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST
I tivo'ed one show, since then I have not tivo'ed any other episodes of Smallville, just so my friends do not give me shite. I have tried watching reruns and the new episodes the past couple of seasons, and I have tried as the inner geek in me forced myself to, but each and everytime I have seen an episode, and thats watching it all the way through, it's still hard to sit all the way through as I felt like I would watch something my kid sister would view. Also to clarify, I have seen about five or six episodes which is enough to judge it.
June 9, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST
...once for each beautiful big boob.
June 9, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST
http://stalagsweden.blogspot.com/2006/06/supermann.html Check out that blog if you want to see Brandon Routh as Adolf Hitler. Scary stuff! He's got the hair, the arm... the facial hair...
June 9, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST
When? Hasn't this been on the air for years now? Turn into Superman already! What's next, The Incredible Hulk: The David Banner Junior High Years? The first episode could be all about young David trading his Twinkie for a Hostess Cup Cake.
June 9, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST
Just saw this on YouTube, an extended clip of Superman saving the plane that we have seen in all the trailers. Talk about amazing, even from the clip I was in suspense. I thought I couldn't get any more excited for this film. I really really hope that scene is rendered in 3-D when I see at the Imax theatre. ok ok, I'm gonna shut up everybody, I'm starting to sound like one of those smallville fans.
June 9, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST
Sorry about that, I was still excited from watching that clip several times that I forgot to post the dang link. Here is the YouTube link: http://tinyurl.com/p5kko what do you guys think?
June 9, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST
I can count on one hand how many sub-par scripts re: 24, can the same thing be said for Smallville?
June 9, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST
When did i imply that i was a fan of Brandon Routh? Other than the trailer, i've nothing to gage his talent as an actor. I just suggested that ol' Sith should calm down and see the movie first before he maligns his acting or ability to carry the role...And as far as the homo-erotic reference, i was merely being glib due to Siths' previous sychophantic-like post on other related threads regarding the Welling vs. Routh brouhaha. Now if you want to interpret that as a threat, then ultimately those are bricks that you have to carry.
June 9, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST
I am excited and hope for the best when SR comes out but I am not making any judgments yet. I can not stand when people make an assumption on something that was only 2:30 minutes long such as the latest SR trailer.
June 9, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST
Does your hand have around 16 fingers? Cause that's just about how many bad episodes there were of 24 this year. Notice I said "this year". Now don't get me wrong it's a better show than Smallville, but it has been plagued with crap writing, and sometimes it's just insulting. At least we expect the stuff on Smallville, that's part of it's appeal. That's part of Superman's appeal. But how many favorites have they wholesale slaughtered as a ratings stunt? One. Well, two if you count Chloe in the season three finale. 24 axed just about every decent supporting character they had this year. It was a slap in the face, it was stunt writing at it's worst, and on top of that the plot holes and time lapses, made this season possibly the worst yet. Overall, I can accept a few bad episodes of Smallville including Lana turning into a vampire and @qu@dude than what happened on 24. Yes, 24 overall may be a better series, but, Smallville had a better season. Brainiac? Lionel? Zod? Lex as Zod? At least this show is doing something adventurous with the franchise. There was no need for this movie. Smallville could have been spun off. (Don't start the crap about Welling not wanting it, because there is just as much talk that he actually did, and he was in talks with Singer, before Bryan decided to go with a unknown.) Like I said before, I've liked what I've seen of Returns, even though it's not the story I'd like to see (I want something different, and a rugrat is not my type of different), or a Smallville flick. It's kinda like how X3 wasn't the film I wanted (or a lot of other fans for that matter), but I enjoyed it anyways, for my love of the property. I will admit though that Smallville would have been better if it had a sgorter season like the FX shows, that way they could stick with the meat and potatoes of the show and not veer of into the freak of the week territory, even though several of those episodes were great. WB should take cue from Paramount and repackage select episodes for people that crap on this show. If you can get past the teeny bopper ones, and the freak ones, there is a wonderful show underneath. And to be honest, if you can't stand the romantic aspects of Smallville, how can you like the Reeve flicks? Or Superman in general? for the past, almost thirty years or so Supes has been mostly lovey dovey material outside the comics. And excuse me, but what do teenage boys think about? GIRLS. And if Kristin Kreuk was my neighbor you'd better believe I'd be thinking about her all the time. This aspect was just a realistic take on the Superboy legacy. Yeah, so, it was interwined with zombie boyfriends, reincarnated witches and whatnot, but it was a hell of a lot better than Clark just running around in spandex twarting some random criminal's schemes every episode. It gave the characters depth, instead of whoring it up with action all the freaking time. Now sure I wish there was a bit more Superness at times, but it seems to be picking up, and will most have it's best season next year with Lex finally going bad. (You know there gonna go all out for the CW.) Smallville, although flawed IS the best translation of Superman outside the comics so far. (Reeve was cornball!) I only wish X-men had been given this sort of treatment (with consistent writing mind you) theres just too many great characters to do justice in a flick every three years or so. Hopefully if they ever reboot that property they will go that route. And the effects wouldn't be that much of a problem. I mean look, Farscape, Enterprise, and Smallville all had some great effect/makeup/costumes hers and there, and hardly anyone watched those shows! (Although Samllville and posssibly Farscape would have garnered more if it were on a bigger network....well, maybe not Scape...it was a aqquired taste.) And if that X-show could get a budget rivaling the most expensive show out there at time, it would look great. I mean c'mon, you got a built in audience of fanboys and newbs alike that would tune in. And if was debuted after the Superbowl and teamed up with a ratings juggernaut (bitch!) it could be the highest rated science fiction show, let alone highest rated period. But FOX or whoever gets it wouldn't have the planters big enough to try something like that...
June 9, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST
spell check is my friend. >_<
June 9, 2006, 3:35 p.m. CST
...Chris Reeve look like one of those 15" action figures from the seventies? And the whole "this-is-not-a-plug-for-the-film" thing would be much more believable if the cartoon were top-center instead of Brandon Routh.
June 9, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST
I don't know if you're aware of this, but 99.9% of all healthy teenaged boys are interested in getting laid. They may play lovey dovey as a ploy to placate the naive female species, but the main objective is to get LAID! It's puberty 101, ie primordial and Instinctual...As far as the deaths in 24, the characters that was killed was necessary to convey the dire situation of the plot...You should've figured that out after Chappelle was executed by Jack Bauer during Season 3...And i should'nt have to mention the finale of season one. 24 plays for keeps, if you want sentimentality, then by all means stay with Smallville. The producers of 24 from the get go has always stated that know one is safe in their universe.
June 9, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST
June 9, 2006, 6:07 p.m. CST
b.s. Tony's death was just insultingly bad lazy writing. Sure you could claim the same for Smallville at times, but they don't fuck over the fans like that. (Giving Edgar a silent tick, but not Almeida? LAME!)
June 9, 2006, 6:19 p.m. CST
Why did you bother going into all of that, when we were pretty much on the same wavelength. I merely stated that WB should release selected episode sets to draw in people who were turned off by the "lovey dovey" aspects of the show. And like I said before, if they didn't like that stuff, then why bother with Supes in general? The same goes for Spider-man. And those flicks are amazing. Raimi somehow managed to make a 5hr romance feel like it drug on longer than five fucking years of Clark and Lana's on again,off again courtship. *yawn*
June 9, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST
How was it insultingly bad? He attacked Henderson (who in the process of defending himself) incapacitated Tony and killed him. That's what bad guys do. Just because someone does'nt play by your interpretation of "Hoyles" rules of engagement does'nt make it insultingly bad or lazy...If you followed the story arc, you'd realize that Henderson (like Bauer) is a stone cold killer, so you do yourself an injustice by projecting Smallvilles' sense of fairplay to 24, it's a totally different (and subjectively speaking) superior animal. On a side note, i would suggest that you pick up a copy of Katherine Kubler-Ross's On Death and Dying to help you reconcile your issues on dealing with untimely deaths.
June 9, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST
If you read my earlier posts, how could you possibly think that i liked the 70's Superman chees-fest? I believe i stated that in my opinion that they were grossly overrated and for the life of me could'nt understand why they are so worshipped as the measuring stick for all comicbook film adaptations.
June 9, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST
He doesn't wear the Superman costume!!! He's a punk teen solving paranormal mysteries. SuperBuffyMan. That's not what Superman is about. It's not about where he grew up. He works at the Daily Planet disguised as Clark Kent. He wears tights and a cape and fights crime. That's the core of Superman. Smallville crap is an after thought. best incarnation of Supes my ass!
June 9, 2006, 6:56 p.m. CST
lol, at least I can come to terms with Smallvilles short comings. I can see you have yet to do the same with 24. You can throw psycho babble and character analysis all you want, but it was nothing more than stunt writing. Why bring Tony back just to kill him off several episodes later? It wasn't needed. Just like half the crap they pulled this season. Now moving back to Supes...Why can't we ever get a decent Lois? Dammit Singer, Selma Blair? Hello?
June 9, 2006, 7:06 p.m. CST
It's a origin story! He hasn't got there yet. It's laying the groundwork for a modern day Supes universe. lol, you seem a bit impatient. It's not the suit, or the the occupation or the glasses. It's about the CHARACTER. All that other shit is just gravy.
June 9, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST
"WB should take cue from Paramount and repackage select episodes for people that crap on this show. If you can get past the teeny bopper ones, and the freak ones, there is a wonderful show underneath. And to be honest, if you can't stand the romantic aspects of Smallville, how can you like the Reeve flicks? Or Superman in general?" That was directed towards the people who the repacked dvd's would be targeted for. Not specifically "you". But I can see how you would have thought otherwise.
June 9, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST
I got to respect your Don Quixote-like defense of Smallville, thus when time permitting i'll borrow the season sets from a friend, who also shares your fanboy-like loyalty for this show. Maybe if i look at them back to back over a few weekends i'll see the qualities that you've showered over this thing...And you're right about the casting of Monica Potter to play a strong alpha female like Lois Lane...She seems way too delicate and does'nt project the headstrong confidence that is required the role.
June 9, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST
June 9, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST
Um, that's not Monica Potter, that's Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane.
June 9, 2006, 8:59 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
i.e. the actors on the show clearly look like they're heading into their mid to late twenties and them still trying to pass as high school students is becoming laughable. All the 'kids' from 90210 looked as if they were well into middle age before that show went off that air.
June 9, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST
They're college students now.
June 9, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST
Oops! I always get those two mixed up, but in the overall scheme of things Monica, Kate, Kate, Monica, what's the difference.
June 10, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST
He was not a early 20 something in the comics, nor the first serials or early TV, not in the Max Flieshman (?) animated series (the best Sups ever BTW). Now the trend is to cast little more than kids themselves-pretty boys at that-tom play him. If I were a director, and I had the clout, I'd made him mid 30s at the youngest-closer to 40 with a real rock solid look-chisled, not modeled like the boy thing. Should have done it set in the world of Sci Fi from the pulp of the 30s as well. BTW-if he ever hit a human, theyd explode as if gettin hit by a iron rod sticking out of the side of a speeding train. New movie might be the bomb, but just from the look of the new guy they will have to work hard to sell me. He looks about as world weary as some rich brat living in the Hamptons.
June 10, 2006, 2:30 a.m. CST
"Rosetta" "Exodus" "Exile" "Shattered" "Memoria" "Arrival" These are examples of great television. Smallville may change up some details of the origin, although the origin has never really been told with as much depth, it's very clear that they have a respect for the characters and Superman mythos and the characters stay true to that. Of course Clark must fight villians on the show because that's what everyone wants to see, Clark putting his powers to good use. The real enjoyment of the show comes from the tragedy that is the Lex Luthor character who is brilliantly played by Michael Rosenbaum. Finding out that Lex was once a good guy and friend but through Lex's choices and obsessions and though corruption brought on by his father adds so much depth to the character who became Superman's greatest enemy. For those that say Lex has never been in Smallville in the comics read "The Luthor Nobody Knows!" and if you have seen the show recently they have moved past the high school years.
June 10, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST
You need to grow the fuck up. This is what happens when parents don't beat their kids asses, you get spoiled self-centered sperm-burpers who are incapable of behaving themselves...What's wrong you insipid little tea-bagger? Not getting enough attention from your rubber dolly? or is it same ol' cliched sob story - misery loves company and ajt4eva is lonely. Dare to be different BITCH and get a life. It's not aicn's or anyones else fault that you're unhappy and obviously lack any control over your patheitic little existence, so go away, get laid and perhaps get a little perspective on how silly you really are. Better yet, do humanity a favor and kill yourself.
June 10, 2006, 9:08 a.m. CST
Well if it wasn't for Singer there wouldn't be a Superman documentary nor a new superman movie. I would understand if the new movie was out and people were able to pass judgement but lets wait till the movie is out and see if Routh's rendition is as good or better than Reeve's was. You never know...
June 10, 2006, 9:10 a.m. CST
June 10, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST
June 10, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST
Hulk, Lady in the water, The Omen & Harry's X3 Review threads. Someont needs to take a bat to his computer and then go all Draconian on his ass by hacking off his arms, or better yet, send his ass to a purgutory where he's surrounded by computers w/out a modem or keyboard...WATER, WATER AND NOT AN OUNCE TO DRINK!
June 10, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST
June 13, 2006, 2:22 a.m. CST
...and "not bad" is the verdict. I was impressed by how encyclopaedic it was, actually. And it managed to keep me entertained for an hour and a half, for whatever that's worth; the televised Superman musical was especially hilarious. Plus, I got a weird kick out of hearing Kevin Spacey refer to himself in the third person.
June 13, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST
Will the DVD be 30 minutes longer than the A&E broadcast, minus the amount of time utilized by the commercials, or will it be more like 45 minutes longer, minus the time the commercials ate up?
June 13, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST
It ain't comin' out 'til next Tuesday... http://www.joblo.com/releases.php?mode=dvd
June 13, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST
I disagree. Remember that there are two fundamental plot holes in the Superman myth: "How could the Kryptonians be so complacent they'd let themselves be destroyed?" and "Why doesn't anyone recognize that Clark Kent and Superman are the same person?" They tried to explain the second one in the comics several times and failed repeatedly. Reeve *nailed* the portrayal and made the difference so clear no one even questions it any more. The scene where he transforms from one character to another by body language alone is *amazing* and classic.
June 13, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST
I enjoyed the rare clips ( The 60's "Superboy" pilot, "Superpup" ) and the bit on the Superman musical ( I remember begging to stay up late enough to watch this when it aired as a late night TV special) but most of the show focused on things most "Super" fans should know. More focus on the actual comics would've been appreciated, but as an earlier poster said, it could've been worse ( i.e. nothin' but hype for the new movie. ) I think Harry posted this review too soon -- or it shoulda been in the "Coaxial" window. Quit arguing about the DVD box art, Fer cryin' out loud !
June 13, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST
I remember being allowed to stay up to watch, and falling asleep. I bought a copy a few years ago - it's just okay. My kids enjoy it, so it was worth the $20 I paid. I have a 3-year-old and a 7-year-old.
June 13, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
By the way, WTF was that Rock/Paper/Scissors Tournament mock-coverage that proceeded the special on A&E???
June 13, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST
I just watched the documentary after I DVR'ed it. I was very impressed, enough to go and rent the DVD documentary with the additional 30 minutes when it comes out. It was nicely done and I hardly watch documentaries that much but I do hope this one gets nominated for some kind of award. It really made me look even more forward to SR which i was already excited about. You really have to respect Singer for his passion of Superman as it shows in the documentary. I can just imagine how that will translate into a two hour plus movie.
June 13, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST
I know alot of people do not like the costume but lets face it all the previous costumes he's worn on tv or film looks dated now, Christopher Reeve always worked well with what he had and I'm not saying Routh can be a better Superman than Reeve. But that new Superman hovering over earth looks more majestic than any Superman before. The Brandon Routh Clark Kent footage in this doc was great. Hopefully in the extra 30 minutes they go more detail into the comic book stories. I now more about Superman tv then I would have cared to know, but that's okay.
June 13, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST
I watched it last night on A&E. I didn't know what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised. It covered everything and was very respectful to George Reeves and Chris Reeve. I liked it so much. I'm gonna get it on DVD. I can't get over how awesome it was. I recommend to anyone. But especially Superman fans.
June 13, 2006, 10:55 p.m. CST
Ya, Smallvile has a lot of shit eps. More than 50% a year, but the SFX are wonderful, and the cast is great. I just saw this doc, and really liked it. JLU, by far has the best Supes. I pray that the movie will be, well... super.
June 13, 2006, 10:55 p.m. CST
BUT NOTHING! and I MEAN NOTHING!, is as insulting to Superman than that Superman TV comedy musical show. WTF!!! is that??? I seriously got sick watching it. No real. I got a stomach ache. Every print of every episode of that 1976 flying turd. Should be burned and the ashes should be sent a zillion lightyears into outerspace. I'm even insulted its on the doc, but I guess they had to show the lowest of the low superman got at one point. In order to make his comeback seem even more relevant
June 14, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST
They premiered it here in Toronto during "hot docs," it was really fun to see and it made me even more excited for Superman Returns. Anyway, after George Reeves died they tried to keep Superman on TV only they had the actors dressed in animal costumes. Hillarious! No wonder it never aired.... I was disappointed that we only saw Forrest J Ackerman once, I'm sure he had plenty of great things to say!
June 24, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST
I picked up that two-disc set: the second disc is all of Bryan Singer's video blogs that were shown on BlueTights.net. Haven't looked at those yet, but the documentary is indeed terrific...also, the Best Buy two-disc edition boasts a much, MUCH better cover than the thing above this talkback forum; and includes postcard-sized replicas of all of the Superman movie posters (even 3 and 4, gulp!). All in all, I'd say it was worth 20 bucks.
June 24, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST
at least to me, is when he's on that one I Love Lucy episode as, of course, Superman; and they show the ending where he asks Ricky "Do you mean to tell me you've been married to this woman for fifteen years?" Ricky yells "YEAH! FIFTEEN YEARS!" to which Reeves responds, "And they call ME Superman!" Priceless.
June 26, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST
by Borgnine JR
June 29, 2006, 3:57 a.m. CST
There is very little about the comic book Superman. And most of the interviews are fluff and B.S. How is Superman an "immigrant story"???? He was adopted as a little baby and raised in this country. If someone adopts a Chinese baby and raises him in the US, is that person an immigrant? No. The Superman Returns screenwriters are so obnoxious and pretentious in this too. Bad interviews really hurt this documentary...sad.
Dec. 3, 2008, 3:31 p.m. CST
Smallville is really just Superboy 2001 without the costume. Except Lana Lang is there for 6+ long seasons instead of about 2. Wonderboys No, all this Dean Cain bashing is is long outdated. Routh is only getting a taste of it. Ky-El Dean Cain must pass for a million elasticities. So far I've heard them all. The man is Japanese, Irish, French and Welsh. Lana Lang on Smallville is and looks more Eurasian than Dean Cain is, but no one complains about that.