May 31, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST
is a volkswagon bug?!?!
May 31, 2006, 4:55 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...Megatron and the evil police car is made up for the film. Kind of sad to see Bumblebee as an "I Peaked in High School" mobile.
May 31, 2006, 4:56 p.m. CST
by Nate Champion
Wow. Bring on the excitement. This has disaster written all over it.
May 31, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST
awesome, man. Just...awesome. I hate Bay, but he just might pull this off. I like the Transformers just enough to want to see this, but not too much that I care if it follows the continunity. For me, that's the perfect amount.
May 31, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST
Impressive Definately like that Cop-car Think it'll be a stunticons? like Dead-end or someone
May 31, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST
It's Too LATE!!! We're all grown up and the toys just don't have their effect anymore. And the new toys just suck and if it's not Harry Potter, the kids just don't care anymore. And all the up to date Air Force, Military planes you've been filming the last week ain't going to equate to 'Cool News' even if you introduce Ebay biddable real life Transformers. Sorry, but I've grown up and have found other ways to stimulate my Sci-Fi focussed brain.
May 31, 2006, 5 p.m. CST
I dig the decepticon logo on the cop car a lot ... cool
May 31, 2006, 5 p.m. CST
who better to direct a movie about cars that turn into robots? nobody shoots cars better than Bay, i say,"Bring it!"
May 31, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST
I NEED STREET PICTURES!
May 31, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST
bumblebee is a vw bug and first gen decepticons were not cars or tanks from what i remember!
May 31, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST
If these are real, that's totally cool! I can't believe someone got these. Oh and by the way someone on the Avi Arad TB beat you to posting these...
May 31, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
PLEASE let Matthew McConaughey drive Bumble Bee.....
May 31, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST
It is sad that after the loss of Optimus Prime that we would consider making a campy exploitation of suffering that so many children experienced.
May 31, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST
Michael Bay used to be the new Ed Wood, and then he became a joke,... and now he's just sad. ("Ostrov" as it was called here in the CZ) and he won't turn Transformers into the 00's version of "Top Gun" (in terms of box office and watchability) no matter how much he tries and no matter how many connections he has to the Republician 'right.' You're not entertaining anyone worth your efforts and you never have. Why are you trying to rape what's left of our childhood memories? You shallow, empty, heartless, fucking lame ass excuse for a film maker? Seriouslly, is he even a joke anymore? It's just pathetically sad unless you really aren't thinking or feeling at all what you did for this franchise when you were my age and 15 characters of toys made up my X-Mas list. But then again, I am human, not 'cool news' so maybe my opinion is different from yours, you, well, see above... Someone who really exists.
May 31, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST
Decepticons don't help Autobots, unless you were being facetious.
May 31, 2006, 5:17 p.m. CST
That new bumble bee pic is of the new Camaro Prototype...I saw it at the L.A car show back in January. NOT a fixed up version of that old one. Here are more pics.. http://www.moniteur-automobile.presse.fr/FR/Magazines_ArticlesDetail.cfm?xArticleID=7331
May 31, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST
"To Punish and enslave" what the crap is that. Robots **IN DISGUISE**.
May 31, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST
BumbleBee a Camaro? This movie pfficially is dead to me. Fuck Michael Bay and this fucking tired bullshit car chase film that it's tuning out to be. Bumble bee is a fucking VW Beetle motherfucker!!!!!!!!! He's the little guy. The underdog. The one with heart. And your making him a shitty muscle car??!! Hell there's even the new Beetle to show off. Hell even a fucking Mini Cooper would have been better than this fucking bullshit!Bay I hope you die painfully. Stupid FUCKING asshole!!!
May 31, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST
He should have been a mobile cannon of some sort, so, I guess this is good. Let's hope the barrel remains on his arm when in robot mode. Zoiks!!!
May 31, 2006, 5:21 p.m. CST
I bet none of these cars are even in the movie. HAHA
May 31, 2006, 5:24 p.m. CST
by Doom II
Two words...Michael Bay. Nuff said.
May 31, 2006, 5:24 p.m. CST
Although if it was those cars would be shoddy Chip Foose creations.
May 31, 2006, 5:25 p.m. CST
Fuck that. Bumblebee is a VW Bug. That's part of why he is called BUMBLEBEE. This is just wrong...I mean, how hard is it to get that detail correct.
May 31, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST
Holy Hell, this movie is going to rock like Scorponok! I can't wait to see what Bay and Spielberg have in store for us. Screw the naysayers (as usual), this Flick has everything going for it. Prime will reign again in 2007!
May 31, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST
Don't you see the ugly pattern? Fanboys are ridiculous! nothing pleases them , instead of being happy a transformers movie is being done, they complain that bumblebee is a camaro instead of a VW
May 31, 2006, 5:28 p.m. CST
I dare anyone to defend any film Bay has ever done to actually to it's potential for any compitant director and say what he's ever done for any film at all, and I'm looking at his history throughout film school for you real 'plants.' The fact that Bumble Bee doesn't even get the respect of being a new VW Bug, but instead has become what this picture presumably suggests... I'm really done. Fuck this shit, 'X-Men 3' sucked, most movies based on franchises today ultimately suck and I don't even know why I bother... I guess because the assholes do. Got to fight the power, right?
May 31, 2006, 5:31 p.m. CST
Why call him Bumble Bee if he ain't a VW bug? Bumble Bee, bug. Execs don't get this? And none of that 'no one remembers the VW bug anymore' crap. Wasn't a Herbie remake released just *last year*? Besides, a preowned later model VW bug would make perfect sense as a first beater car for a teenaged driver. So much for that. Then there's the Decepticon cop car. Jazz was an Autobot and the only police car as far as I recall. First generation at least. Weren't the distinctive differences between Autobots and Decepticons that the latter were airborne vehicles and the former weere terrain vehicles? So much for that. And the Decepticon logo with that line, "To punish and Enslave," ...so much for that whole 'Robots in disguise' angle, I suppose. This said, the tank is likely Megatron and an understandable departure. He was eventually redesigned as a tank a few years later when legislation was passed that put a ban on fake guns that looked too authentic. Dunno, gang... doesn't look like a promising start. If all you want are giant robots beating the snot out of each other, fine. I was holding out for better. Is soundwave going to be an MP3 player with Rumble, Buzzsaw, and Ravage transforming into flash memory cards?
May 31, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST
I guess maybe I was too old to like them at the time, but I'd like to think I still would have turned my nose up at them at 11.
May 31, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST
for Bumblebee, that's why he had to be changed to something else. It's a rights issue. I for one think if he HAS to be something other than a VW Bug a camaro is as good as anything else.
May 31, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST
And even if it's real, it's still retarded.
May 31, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST
Rediculous. They could have at least used a Mini Cooper or one of those tiny European cars. That would have made much more sense that a fucking Camaro. My excitement for this movie just went from 60 to 0.
May 31, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST
VW hasnt allowed hasbro to use the beetle for a while now. Nor would they allow the film to use the beetle. They don't like their products being involved in the idea of war. Even if it's between robots.
May 31, 2006, 5:47 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...and Prowl was the autobot police car in G1. Not that it much matters. I'm more irritated by the making Bumblebee a muscle car than I am about the addition of made-up characters for the film (can't remember precisely who called that in an earlier talkback, but he was right). Bumblebee is a humble, unassuming character. The muscle car just really doesn't fit. If they couldn't get the VW Beetle rights, as someone posted above, a Mini Cooper or even one of the newer third-tier sub compacts would've been a better fit for the character...assuming they're keeping him somewhat as we know him. WHich is a big assumption. It won't keep me from seeing the film, though.
May 31, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST
i wanna see them in this movie like they were in the cartoon movie.
May 31, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST
and now he is a tank. things change. why can't people accept that. As long as bumblebee's character remains the same. As for pragues comment how he is sick of his favorite franchises being changed, look how your acting for a split second. You should quit films, you obviously are taking it too seriously and it's having a negative affect on you. you should all be happy it's not based on that anime transformers they did, or energon or even beast wars.
May 31, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST
I am a hardcore Transformers fan. I hold it close to my heart because it's part of my childhood. But let's be real, this flick is not going to adhere to every single aspect of the show!! Get real AICN. I knew the bitching would start upon the first relased images. Hey, they wanted to update it a bit more. It's about a kid buying his first car, and if they used the VW, there would be obvious comparisons to that damn Disney mobile Hurby. So get over it. Why do fanboys have to piss and moan about every little detail?
May 31, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST
They turn an old Firebird into a new Camero? Fuck Bumblebee. He was a VW and a total closet case. Every time I hear Michael Bay's name I hear The End by The Doors in my head.
May 31, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST
then the fanboys would complain how unrealistic it would be for a guy to buy a VW and how gay that is. this movie isn't for you, it's for a new generation of kids. If the guys who grew up on Transformers are bitching about this , then they need to grow up a little more.
May 31, 2006, 6 p.m. CST
can we all agree on this? the writing, "acting", and storylines were the best since the G1 cartoon. the best characters were Rhinox and Blackarachnia.
May 31, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST
The firebird and camero looked very similar.
May 31, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST
by Dollar Bird
As much as I like muscle cars in movies, I think it would have been better to keep Bumblebee as an unassuming, my-first-car kind of car. Like an old Dodge Omni or perhaps an AMC Hornet. Also, as much as I kind of want to think about being excited by this movie, "to punish and enslave" is pretty lame.
May 31, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST
Volkswagon wont allow thier products to be associated with war or war toys, so Bay had not choice in the matter. As far as Megatron being a tank instead of gun, it has partly to do with Hasbro and the toys that will be spun off from the movie. If Megatron was a gun they wouldnt be able to make a toy for him. The majority of current Megatron incarnations have been tanks. The other part is the believabilty of something as small as a hand gun turning into 5 story robot. If Soundwave is in the film he won't be a Cassette Player/CD Player either.
May 31, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST
by SilentBob X
This shows me that Bay never watched the toon AT ALL, or he watched it while drunk
May 31, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST
That's stupid, if you have to change him at all why not go whole-hog and do something different and interesting. I think an old, beat up camaro with fucking bondo on it fits the character just fine. Bumblebee is the little guy, the underdog you don't expect to save the day and that's why he bonds with the humans. I'm fine with this change. He get's his shit ruined early on in the movie and gets rebuilt as a newer camero. Unrealistic yes, but it is a movie about giant walking talking robots afterall. On a side note, isn't it pretty fucking ridiculous that a GERMAN car company doesn't like it's products associated with war movies?
May 31, 2006, 6:18 p.m. CST
and some Dinobots please!
May 31, 2006, 6:19 p.m. CST
It's like they never did any research into the movie.
May 31, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST
Babble babble, bitch bitch, rebel rebel, party party... You can't please everyone all the time, and most of those fanboys are right here at aint-it-cool. ** Let's take a head count here: How many people *aren't* bitching about things? I'm not bitching about it a bit. I don't have a huge problem with franchise films taking a little creative liberty with our childhood memories. There's no need to bitch slap Michael Bay just yet... Give the man a break. It may not be the best movie in ther world, but it's damn sure better than not having a Transformers movie at all. Quitcherbitchin and go take your paxil, k?
May 31, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST
Jazz and Prowl both had the doors open up on their backs like wings, hence the confusion. You and others already summed up my feelings perfectly on the Bumblebee character. He should be the R2D2 of the group, not a new version of Hot Rod. If that's the character they wanted, then why not go there? Given this alteration, I doubt movie Bumblebee will carry the same charm and disposition from the cartoon series. Never was too invested in Transformers, but it would be nice to see something more faithful than this appears to be shaping up to be.
May 31, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST
May 31, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST
I wonder if when they transform into aircraft if they'll fall out of the sky and kill everyone on board.
May 31, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST
missed it first time but god DAMN if i havent got a half stock right now.
May 31, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST
I, too, saw that Camaro at the LA Auto Show. I will be first in line if this thing ever goes to production. Sweet-ass ride!
May 31, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST
by Doom II
The Germans are really that PC these days? If you do a little research about German engineering, they were decades ahead of their time. They had the first long distant rocket (V2), the first country to experiment with sound waves as a weapon, the best tanks (Panzer and Panther), the fastest-firing machine gun at the time with a rate of 1200 rounds per minute, the MG42 (with a firing system later copied by the US and renamed the M60) the MP44 (first select fire assault rifle and grandfather to the AK47), first Airborne assault force (Fallshirmjager) and they also invented the Volkswagen which they do not want in a Transformers movie. I guess I wouldn't want to be assosiated with a Michael Bay film either.
May 31, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST
It's hard to get excited over shots of cars that you might see at any auto show. The real test will be when we get shots of them transformed/transforming and moving around as robots. Let's hope they have something in store for us that's better then what we saw in "Robot Jox"
May 31, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST
May 31, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST
Bumblebee is supposed to be the lesser of the autobots. He's a VW Bug. Bumblebee does not have Camaro Attitude! Hell, if u aren't going to have it be a bug, then ATLEAST have it be another small vehicle... like a Pacer, Accord... SOMETHING. A Camaro? As if the director wasn't bad enough. Now I won't even see this on DVD.
May 31, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST
"FS: '78 Camaro, yellow, 155K; nds some body work; great fixer-upper. Possible giant robot / concept car conversion? $1200 obo"
May 31, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST
What the fuck are you crying about? Holy shit, live action Transformers, perhaps one of the greatest fanboy dreams of all time brought to life and the second some images are released, people go apeshit. Good christ, this will effing rock. Are you kidding?!! Cool ass cars becoming robots and wrecking shit? People, c'mon. I'm so stoked for this I can't believe it. BB as a camaro is badass and actually, I think it fits even better. On top of all this...lets all sit back for a second, take in the subject matter of this debate, and accept the fact we all have a serious problem.
May 31, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST
But man, Michael Bay SUUUUUCKS.
May 31, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST
Why call it Transformers? They are looking to cash in on a brand, but they do not care about the brand. I think it is funny how people call us fanboys because we are bitching and whining. I'm sorry, but ANYONE and EVERYONE that post on this site is a frick'n fanboy. And I am OK with that. Bambi is a deer, Popeye is a sailor, and Bumblebee is a frick'n VW Bug. What is so hard to understand about it? Just because the director and producers are too old and out of touch to realize that changing Bumblebee to a Camaro is like changing Popeye to a Marine just because Marines are stereotypically considered "tougher"... it is just as stupid.
May 31, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST
I understand some things need to change when translating traditionally 2-D characters to the big screen. Whether it's altering the X-Men's uniforms from the colorful garb we're used to into black one-piece uniforms, or making Batman's car more "assault-vehicle" than a sleek sports car ... sometimes it just makes sense. Maybe it's because times change, and the public demands a sense of realism. Whatever the case, here is quite possibly the ONLY thing that I consider would need to be changed when making this movie: Megatron cannot be a gun. It doesn't make sense. It didn't make sense 20 years ago, it doesn't now. How does an oversized pistol "blend" in ANYwhere but the Transformers cartoon or comics universe? I think a tank Megatron is acceptable. There is, however NO reason that Bumblebee could not be, at the very least, a less-imposing car than a camaro. So VW wouldn't let you use their car - design your own soft, rounded vehicle. Hell, a mini-cooper would even work. Not all fanboys condemn ideas. I consider myself a huge Transformers "fanboy". Hey, I'm willing to compromise. But, making BB a camaro is just plain out of character.
May 31, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST
Although it didn't happen in the cartoon series. It happened on the comic book page. Of course, it wasn't in the Transformers comics. LOL. When Hasbro attempted to re-launch Transformers in the early 90's, they did so by first launching the story on the pages of GI Joe. Megatron, who survived the crash of the Ark (which was set on a suicide run by Rachet) gets an upgrade by COBRA. This storyline led straight into the new 90's Transformers comic book series.
May 31, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST
I was looking forward to the Constructicons. To answer my own post ... it appears that these are changes just for the sake of change.
May 31, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST
Fuck you! Bring back G1 you arsewipes! /rant
May 31, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST
Uh... How bout a script review??!
May 31, 2006, 7:46 p.m. CST
...not a fucking tank. And Megatron is a jet now? I could have handled Megatron being a tank. But not a god damn jet. Why make arbitrary changes from the original. It makes no sense. This movie is finished for me.
May 31, 2006, 7:50 p.m. CST
Yes. In the cartoon Bumblebee was a VW bug and Megatron was a gun. They changed this for the movie. BIG FUCKING DEAL! You'll have a legitimate bitch when they change the core of thier characters around, like for example, making Bumblebee the hardened warrior of the Autobots or Making Megatran a bumbling fool like Cobra Commander. Fuck it, it ain't Shakespeare so if it has big robot battles then I'll be happy with it.
May 31, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST
"the lead character" is a human? What's with that crap? Humans are the bugs that get in the way of the real lead characters called Transformers. This so called "lead character" should instead be the "obligatory sidekick" (and his name should be Spike, not Sam). And Devastator isn't a tank...he doesn't even turn into anything! He's a giant robot formed by a bunch of smaller ones. I don't mind changing forms a little, such as making Megatron a tank instead of a pistol...at least he's a gun. Or Bumblebee a camaro instead of a VW bug...at least he's yellow and a car. But this thing with radically changing a character (Devastator the tank? Soundwave the helicopter?) just sounds stupid. I really hope this movie doesn't suck as much as it sounds like it will. (Just a thought, why didn't they just do a red camaro and make Cliffjumper the main character? He was closer to a camaro than Bumblebee...and a much more interesting character.)
May 31, 2006, 7:55 p.m. CST
May 31, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST
May 31, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST
I posted my ire at him being a camaro earlier but I want to respond to people that think it's "whining about every little detail." i loved transformers as a kid and i've looked forward to this movie. i would have accepted alot of changes just to see this made. Megatron as a tank. that just makes sense. him being a pistol would be ridiculous in a live action film. Bt making Bumblbee a Camaro is not a "little detail." its a fucking huge detail. If the fucking Krauts don't want their car in the movie, fine. but a camaro. Jeee-ZUS! Stupid Stupid Stupid.
May 31, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST
Big deal? Why make him yellow? Why call him Bumblebee? Why make Clark Kent a kid from Kansas. Why have the X-Men base be a school? Why can't they all work at a police station? What is SO HARD to understand: if u like a story, STICK TO IT. We aren't stupid. We know that things have to be altered... like Soundwave being a tape recorder is a little dated...and the fact that the cassette scale doesn't work is completely understandable. I would understand if they had to make Soundwave small or something or change what he transforms into. But there is no REAL reason to change Bumblebee to a fast and powerful race car. SHIT I SAY! The race car is cool... just call it something besides Bumblebee. Call it Fred... or Jarvis... and maybe even Oranjello.
May 31, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST
lets just say both.
May 31, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST
by Gary Yogurt
FUCK YOU, MICHAEL BAY! CAMARO?! What the fuck?! Jesus Christ, he better transform into VW Beetle and then into a Camaro before turning into his robot form. I bet Optimus won't even be a cab-over. Shit.
May 31, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST
For a Transformers movie. They need to wait until everybody who ever saw the cartoon is dead before they make a movie with this volatile material. So, what happens when Lightning McQueen meets up with Larry the Cable Car?
May 31, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST
Bumblebeee will be the coolest car ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And if he's chased by a tank...COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
May 31, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST
...especially when I'm going to point out what people above have already pointed out: Volkswagon will not let Hasbro or DreamWorks or Michael Bay use the Beetle, new or otherwise, in the movie. So, why keep Bumblebee? Because he was always the most relatable character. And his arc in the film will probably mirror the arc of the lead human character: beat down, gets built up, gets confidence, saves the day. Okay, are we done with the moaning yet? And, for fucks sake, didn't most of you start buying Transformers because you got a cool robot AND a car/plane/whatever? That Camaro looks like a cool car -- act like men, for crying out loud.
May 31, 2006, 8:26 p.m. CST
They tried very hard to get VW to let them use a beetle for Bumblebee, but VW straight-out refused to participate in anything that has an image of war. Fuck VW Oh, and the tank IS NOT Megatron. Meg will a futuristic JET from Cybertron.
May 31, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST
I could care less if BB is a VW or a muscle car, as long as they get Prime correct! Optimus is the heart of what the Transformers were, most people will only remember him anyways. I personally thought Megatron as a Gun was stupid, it took away the great one on one battle with Prime that could have been a great climax for a movie!
May 31, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST
Didn't Bumblebee have a very cool vehicle form before they left Cybertron? I seem to remember thinking he'd been royally shafted compared to how cool he used to look. Go on, fellow geeks, post the pic, prove me right or wrong, and then compare his original form to the Camaro. :-)
May 31, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST
The slogan is lame, but seeing the Decepticon logo? That gave me a grin. And that's a cool tank.
May 31, 2006, 8:30 p.m. CST
by cyanide christ
People are bitching that other people are bitching about changes. I myself would like to take a moment to bitch about the people that are bitching about the other people because they like to bitch... Bitches
May 31, 2006, 8:34 p.m. CST
...that the names of the Decepticons were placeholders and that their actual onscreen names (if at all mentioned) will be different.
May 31, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST
That Cop Car Is Fucking SWEET!
May 31, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST
Just because of the stupid ideas they're putting into this movie. I'm a hardcore G1 fan ok. And even i'm keeping an open mind to things being updated for the here and now. I'm not expecting them to keep every little detail the same as it originally was. But a lot of the newer ideas and plot points that i'm hearing about for this movie is just freaking stupid. I don't think it's the fact that some things have been changed thats got most of us fanboys up in arms.But rather that they're being changed for the worse instead of the better. Bumblebee being a camaro is stupid. It doesn't fit the character. If they wanted to change him into a different car then it should have been something that still embodied his character. And just FYI people they could have still made him a VW bug in the movie regardless of what Volkswagon says. The only thing they need permission from them for is the name and logos. They didn't need permisssion from any of the car companies when they made the original G1 toys or any later incarnations of them. Hence no car names or logos on the toys. The only line of TF toys thats an exception to this is the Alternators line. Which had to be approved by the car companies first because the toy manufactuers wanted to use the car logos on the toys. Thats why they have the logos and etc on them and are true scaled representations of that type of vehicle. Unfortunately that's how they want it to be in the movie as well. And here's a few other things that have us fanboys getting upset. These are tidbits from the script reviews that have been popping up online over the past couple weeks. Not necessarily in any specific order. 1. Bumbleebee not being able to talk because of a war wound so he communicates by using the different stations of his radio. = REALLY STUPID. 2.Megatron not showing up in the movie until almost the last act.= STUPID 3.Megatron not being a gun or a tank but instead an alien type of jet.= STUPID 4. Hardly any real speaking lines for the robots in the movie at all. It basically centers around the human cast. Starscream gets 2 lines. Brawl (The police car) getting like one line. Prime and Megatron not getting many lines til the end of the movie when they battle.=Stupid 5. Soundwave still being a boombox but only being 4 and a half feet tall in robot mode. Plus he has a mouth and no faceplate. Plus he's razor thin and shoots cd's at people. Yeah ok. =REALLY FREAKING STUPID (Theydid say that they're possibly changing this to a new character called Soundbyte instead of it being Soundwave btw. Which they better do) 6.Instead of the object they're looking for being called the matrix or even the creation matrix they're instead searching for the all powerful energon cube. Thank Keanu Reeves ass for that one.=STUPID 7. The choices for the Decepticon ranks in this movie. I'd say a good 60% of the Decepticon alt forms in this movie suks. Ya got Megatron-Alien Jet,Starscream-F-22,Bonecrusher-Mine Clearing Device,Brawl-Police Car,Vortex-Helicopter,Devastator-Tank,Scorponok-Giant Scorpion,Soundwave/Byte-4 foot tall robot boombox. At least 5 of those listed needs changed.=STUPID 8.Scorponok apparently just being a drone robot instead of a fully thinking robot.=Stupid 9.The whole Optimus Prime without a faceplate debate. If they want to show him without a faceplate for a couple emotional scenes then ok. But not without one for the whole damn movie.=REALLY STUPID 10.Peter Cullen and Frank Welker not automatically getting the parts for Prime and Megatron. They're part of the reason these characters are as popular as they are. And it's not like they haven't been doing anything acting wise since then. These are two of the busiest guys in Hollywood. I guarantee that everyone reading this has heard at least one of them in the past couple weeks and not realized it. But I guess if Prime and Megatron are only getting like 3 speaking lines each then it doesn't really matter.
May 31, 2006, 8:56 p.m. CST
by Evil Chicken
Not to take away anything from another fan boy
May 31, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST
Megatron was always stupid. How could a 40 foot tall robot transform into a pistol? I kind of have a problem with them making him into a jet, they should make him into some sort of fixed-base cannon. At least that would be in the save vein. The thing that really REALLY annoys me is the Decepticon Police Emblem. What is that? That is so stupid and the logo is too big for the emblem - it obscures with wording along the top. I create logos like that for a living and that would never fly with any police department. I guess transformers can't read.
May 31, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST
How is a tank going to be a highlight when it could have been 5 giant industrial trucks becoming one giant robot? I thought this was G1? Why not just admit in the begining it isn't so you don't have to worry about pissing off all the old fans? Just the color pallet Bay wallows in is enough to ruin this movie, and that is before you even start to look at the stack of bad decisions being made. AICN is on the inside track for this one, so there won't be any badmouthing(or truth) to be found here when concerning this thing that Bay is making.
May 31, 2006, 9 p.m. CST
I've seen the SNAKES ON A PLANE teaser!!! Oscar material, I tell you!
May 31, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST
The original Gen 1 Bumblebee (as well as the rest of the Transformers) did have a 'futuristic' form. Once the 'arc' crash landed on Earth, a satellite was launched (after a volcanic eruption) which found new forms for the the transfomers to take (the Decepticons first). A 'farewell' blast from Starscream knocked an Autobot into the repair beam. Cripes! I know more about the Transformers origins than the producers! Maybe I should write the movie adaption...at least someone who has watched the original might be able to translate it better than what I'm seeing and hearing right now.
May 31, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST
Shia Lebouf... Tyrese Gibson... Jon Voight... Josh Duhmel... I know the humans are kinda beside the point (we hope) but this is the most hope-deflating cast ever assembled... beside Pearl Harbor.
May 31, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST
I goddamn hate you man, I mean I straight up hate your everlovin' guts... nothin personal
May 31, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST
The only transformers you saw go to/from robot mode were Bumblebee, Ratchet (the medic Autobot - I think, but they were both hover-cars), Soundwave (a street-light), Shockwave (who stayed as he was - another big gun), and Starscream (a triangular funnel-shaped flying vehicle). I think Thundercraker and Skywarp may have been in there as well (they were also flying funnels like Starscream and also became F-15's).
May 31, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST
So I think this is going to be spectacular. Giant robot battles, car chases...what else could you ask for in a mindless blockbuster?
May 31, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST
Wow!....You hardcore G1 fans just amaze me sometimes. I can not believe you guys are complaining about the little things. You all should be happy there will be a Transformers movie. You guys are so f-ing pathetic, your probably in your 20's and 30's and still play with the toys. Please grow up and face reality.
May 31, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST
Devastator wasn't one big Tank, he was like five Constructicons put together. They're changing him? Jeesh. Okay, fine, will they at least figure out how Megatron is a giant robot and a hand gun at the same time? And they'd better raise Chris Latta from the dead to voice Starscream, that's all I gotta say.
May 31, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST
They obviously have no knowledge or reverence for the original story. What's the point in even making it? Why not make Superman from Cleveland and wear a green suit. It doesn't matter right?
May 31, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST
What I forgot to add was the previous transformers were seen going from robot/vehicle mode BEFORE they left Cybertron. My Bad.
May 31, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST
even with the changes as long as starscream steals the show.
May 31, 2006, 9:53 p.m. CST
So now im like a giant robot now? Well i guess its better than all the vito assrape on sopranos shit.
May 31, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
The osprey is bullshit
May 31, 2006, 10 p.m. CST
Let's see... Bumblebee isn't a beetle, fine. But what's with so many Decepticons being ground vehicles? And why focus on the humans? And what's with this "THE" Energon Cube deal? I mean, Energon Cubes were fuel... It's like they're using the exact description of the Matrix but renaming it as a common object in the Transformers universe to avoid conflict with the Wachowski's crap movie (Hey fellas! "matrix" is a common word, not a Proper Noun.) --- And you guys saying "how could Megatron be a gun and then be a 40 foot robot?" need to think about it. It's an ALIEN high-tech sentient robot that changes shape. It can change size, too. It's not much more of a stretch. --- They're obviously just using the idea of transforming vehicles, but tossing out every aspect of the original series. You know... The STORY that had us all hooked? Yeah, some Hollywood writer thinks his story will be better than the epic Transformers storyline somehow. Riiiight. Even if it were, we don't want YOUR story... We want THE story.
May 31, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST
According to the PTB, the Decepticon names (other than Megs and Starscream, I guess) are not the real names. They are being withheld for marketing reasons or some other nonsense.
May 31, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST
This is what Bumblebee originally looked like. Here ya go tiredpm: http://tinyurl.com/mrd79 Mike
May 31, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST
FUCKING GIANT ROBOTS!!!! FUCK YEAH!!!
May 31, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST
I have wanted to see a live action transformers movie for some time, but if they're not even gonna try and do the movie any type of fan justice, then I wish they wouldn't. Bumblebee as a mustang...is wrong. Devastator as a tank...wtf is that about. What's wrong with the constructicons forming Devastator? The Animation of Optimus Prime they showed a few weeks ago was kinda weak. I've seen better fan efforts, and they had him white instead of being red. Why? This just seems like they're taking the Transformer's name and cashing in on the concept with no respect to what made it great. And what made it great was the generation 1 transformers. And unfortunately the toy makers have lost sight of that. The robots, when in disguise were supposed to look like something you'd see on any given day. Not some weird alien car and for God's sake not some robot animal. And before you say it I know G1 transformers had the dinobots and the insecticons, but The dinobots were created in homage to real dinosaurs and the insecticons...um...yeah...well they were just...there. Anyway, anyone watching the cartoon series knows that the season after them movie sucked pretty hard and, in my opinion, nothing since has done the series any justice. I thought the movie might, looks like I'm gonna be wrong.
May 31, 2006, 10:37 p.m. CST
by Darth Thoth
... the lack of creativity out there. Better yet, not the lack of creativity but the DENIAL of creativity by these bloodsucking production companies. Instead of allowing new ideas to come forth, these execs try to play it safe and rehash the classics. When it's done right- say Lord of the Rings, it's great. But that's few and far between. What we have are either remakes of movies we aren't asking for because we know they're doomed to suck- Indy IV, Die Hard IV, etc. Or total pillaging of classic stories/ franchises- Fantastic Four, Dungeons and Dragons, X3, etc. Transformers potentially falls in this latter category. As much as I like seeing my favorite stories in live action and on the big screen, I'm becoming defensive b/c of the many failed attempts and uninspired efforts we've been seeing of late. For instance, Bumblebee as a camaro is scaring the living daylights out of me right now. Like a talkbacker previously said, that's totally out of the character of Bumblebee. What are they going to do next, a live action G.I. Joe movie with Snake Eyes having 20/20 vision and no martial arts skills? I don't know. I've been on real edge since seeing X3 last week because not only did that movie disappoint me to the greatest degree but it opened my eyes (admitingly maybe too late) to these jackal studios. I'm scared a precedent has been set where they now know that "getting it right" for the geeks/ real fans can be thrown out of the window b/c if marketed correctly, a story with an already established fan base (i.e.- a comic book movie) can be rushed, made on the cheap and still rake in large cash at the box office. And geeks/ true fans are left to cry alone after seeing the pillaging of the worlds and stories they have loved for years.
May 31, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST
BUMBLE BEE IS A FRACKING CAMERO!!!!!! I NEW THEY WERE GOING TO SCREW IT UP!!! I figured they may mess up Megatron and not have him being a gun but a fracking plan!!! come on. And Decepticons should not be cars. ARGGG!!!
May 31, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST
You get the No-Prize for June for hunting that down. Now, does that look like a Beetle, folks? No. Nor does it look like a Camaro. And, when you boil it all down, it's giant fucking robots from the planet fucking Cybertron!!!! I'm a Transformers nut, but this is really daft. I'll start screaming when I see the robots. Or if they really do mean to remove Prime's 'face plate'. But I'm not going to stress out over Bumblebee.
May 31, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
THAT'S THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE TO GET RIGHT! And you fucked it up! What the fuck?
May 31, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST
I laugh in the face of Transformers "continuity". LOL I say that affectionately, of course. What do you call a Transformers "purist"? Is that someone who sticks to the ORIGINAL Transformes storyline? If so, then why keep referring to the cartoon series. The comic book came first! And, I might add, was a much better written (and darker) version than the cartoon series. Unfortunately, once the cartoon came out, Hasbro pushed Marvel Comics into making their comic series more like the cartoon. In short, the characters became wimpy, whiny, over-sized boy scouts. A couple of my favorite storylines occurred in the pre-TV series days. You wouldn't recognize some of the characters because they were so much darker than they eventually became. And one thing that happened in the early days of the comics that NEVER happened in the TV series was that humans actually died! But, as I've said, I'm no purist. I can deal with anything so long as it's well written. Personally, I think Beast Wars is the best TF incarnation to date.
May 31, 2006, 11 p.m. CST
Volkswagon will not allow Hasbro the rights to any of their cars anymore because they don't want them to be associated with war in any fashion (given their auspicious beginnings under the Third Reich). Therefore, the movie will not be allowed to use a Vee-Dub Bug either. As for everyone wondering why they didn't just go with a Mini Cooper. Well, Mini wouldn't license rights to the Cooper to Hasbro either because they came up with their own transforming robot Cooper. Seriously, go check out Mini's website. It's on there.
May 31, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST
I can't wait to see some high-speed freeway chase involving that cop car and whichever autobot it's chasing. I read somewhere that Prime gets involved in the chase and half-transforms so he can use his arms, but is still using his rear wheels to travel at high speed. Sounds fucking awesome. Just imagine the chase scene from The Matrix:Reloaded or Badboys 2 and add giant fucking robots. You can't tell me that wouldn't kick serious ass. Oh and all of you bitchers out there, get on Volkswagon's ass for not letting them use the beetle for Bumblebee. The movie producers had nothing to do with that decision. An old camaro is a good choice considering it's supposed to be a kid's first car. What did you expect? A fucking Pinto?
May 31, 2006, 11:02 p.m. CST
That can't be Bumblebee. Looks more like Sunstreaker. Bumblebee should be a classic VW Bug. Not a Camaro. Brawl looks pretty cool though. It would make sense that Megatron would be the tank. Things being as PC as they are nowadays, you just can't have Megatron being a gun. Devastator is a bunch of Decepticons right? I don't know. I need to see what they look like as robots before I am able to form a proper opinion. At this point I still have hopes since Spielberg is Executive Producing...
May 31, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST
I like Transformers and if done right, which I doubt Bay can pull off, this film could rock. But I really fear more than anything this film will be nothing but tie ins to the launching of a bunch of new car models. That Camaro for example is new model expected to go on sale about the same time as this film will hit the screen. This movie is going to have so many automotive product tie ins it's going to make us puke.
May 31, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
Why don't they make Optimus Prime a pink garbage truck? Fucking Hollywood shitheads!
May 31, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST
by Lost Skeleton
nice way for Bay to market to the fanboys. And yes...I am a Bay fan so kiss off
May 31, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
I've never actually look forward to a Michael Bay film. I feel odd.
May 31, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST
<a battle between Autobots and Decepticons for possession of the precious Energon Cube
May 31, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST
Get that foreign made shit off my street. (heh,heh}
May 31, 2006, 11:53 p.m. CST
Why Transformers? Why not MACROSS for the love of God? GIMME MACROSS DAMIT!!!!!! GIMME MACROOOOSSSSS!!!
May 31, 2006, 11:54 p.m. CST
...these pictures have put a smile on my face. I never thought in a million years that I'd be looking at a live-action Transformers movie, but it's really happening. Sure, Bumblebee isn't a bug but that fucking car still looks cool. I just hope Megatron isn't some kind of jet, he'd look much better as a tank.
May 31, 2006, 11:56 p.m. CST
I love how nobody reads posts before posting. I mean, how many times has it been stated that Bumblebee CAN'T be a VW Bug because VW won't allow them to use their cars in the movie?
May 31, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST
I can accept that they couldn't get the rights for the actual VW bug. But they could have used a similar compact car in the style and character of the original Bumblebee. A Camaro or Mustang is just wrong wrong wrong. I would have even accepted a fucking yellow Ford Aspire or Geo Metro over that.
June 1, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST
Although he should have been a green bulldozer that merged with 4 other Constructacons to form the real Devastator robot. http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/reviews/g1_devastator.php
June 1, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST
was always stupid. why did HE size shift and no one else? it didnt even make much sense. i donno, these cars look cool. but the plot outline sounds just like that herbie remake. but i still think bumblebee should be played with much glee, by no less than randy quaid.
June 1, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST
by Black Jesus
You guys do realize the old 80's cartoon and comic aren't the only Transformers source material there is, right? This may be a bit different than G1, but G1 makes up a very very small portion of the Transformers cannon. I, for one, am happy to see something different.
June 1, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
I mean seriously, how is it possible for an adult to have strong feelings about a 25 year old toy commercial? If these pictures somehow moved you to anger, put a bullet in your head now. Life isn't going to get much better.
June 1, 2006, 12:31 a.m. CST
I'm a supporter. AICN has done some great things. Harry is the ultimate fanboy. Yes, we're all fanboys here, but truth be known, there are different levels of fanboys. There are the ones who track the site numerous times each day, participate in almost every talkback numerous times, and probably do the chat thing as well. Then there are people like me perse that love movies and genre just as much as said fanboys, but don't participate as often. We're the people that have just as much love for movies, comics, or whatever but don't get all bent out of shape over every little details. We accept that Hollywood HAS to make many many many creative decisions that fan base will pick apart and loath, primarily because it's all about condensing to fit a mold where the general public will be happy, not just one demographic. There's no right way or wrong way. There's no "I'm right you are wrong" here. It's opinion. I think the demise of AICN is that instead of creative discussion talkbacks have rants, personal attacks, etc. Maybe because the more AICN became popular, the more different "levels" of fanboys appeared. It's like the frickin' democrats vs. the Republicans. We know who is going to like whatever image, trailer, or overall movie and we know who is going to pick it apart and we know that each side is never going to agree no matter what. AICN is everyone's soap box. You stand tall and preach. I just think it's taking away from the experience of film all together. Hey, I'm not complaining, I visit the site under my own free will. But doesn't this site really ruin the experience? Sure, it builds excitement and what not... but i can remember the time when magazines like Starlog or whatever (I forget the names) were the only source to see early pics or whatever. And those didn't ruin it like AICN. We see images from the next Superman, a film we should all be excited about, and pick them apart and prejudge a movie, and then just let it ruin the experience of watching it. Anyone remember what it was like to walk in a theater, say we're watching Jurassic Park or even back further to Empire Strikes Back... we walked into that theater knowing next to nothing about the movie, and it was like adrenaline for people like us. The unknown. If those movies came out now, we'd know what the dinosaurs were going to look like and chances are talkbackers would piss and moan about it... we'd know the plot details of Empire and then go on to prejudge saying things like, "That's gay. Vader can't be his dad." Or with ROTJ, "That's stupid. They can't be brother and sister. They kissed in Empire. Lucas is an idiot!" We'd prejudge, walk into the theater with that negative baggage already, and the movie would be ruined. AICN is a bitter sweet blessing nowadays. Everyone likes to look behind that curtain, but it has really ruined the excitement of genre film. Here's something to try: Don't read anything about Transformers. Nothing. Just remember what it was like to watch the cartoon as a kid. Playing with the toys. Then go into the theater with that excitement. Will you be disappointed... could happen. But at least you had that experience. You read these talkbacks and see people who don't even know each other pissing and moaning and throwing insults and what not... just makes you step back and see that it's taking the fun out of the movie experience. Go in blind one of these days. Easier said than done. If anything, AICN has lowered my expectations resulting in a better experience with films like X3 (not a perfect movie but not the debacle talkbackers say it is) or Superman Returns (remains to be seen). So there's still purpose for AICN, but in the long run I wish we could go back to the days where I'd pick up the latest genre movie magazine and read about a movie like Stargate (last issue I remember) that just came from nowhere and actually had some cool ideas to it. You're awesome Harry, but you've created a monster. Actually you've created thousands of monsters after reading some of these talkbacks.
June 1, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST
How can you not like these images??? Don't let the whole Bumble Bee thing get you down. They changed it, no going back. But those other cars???? Those are going to be frickin' Transformers you guys! I'll pay the ticket price just to see the effects... realizations of what we've all been imagining since we were kids.
June 1, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST
"who cares. it's a movie about giant, transforming robots": What? Are you crazy? This isn't a Tom Clancy movie where you can interchange Jack Ryans'. Bumblebee cannot be a Camaro. Don't bother using his name if you "can't" use a Beetle. And I really believe that Bay and Co. can't make a GD, yellow kit car that resembles a VW Beetle. Sure. "Well, VW said 'no' so there's no gettin around that. Those goosesteppers got us by the balls." Does anyone really believe that there are no movies that feature a VW AND violence, killing, or war? The Krauts can suck it. Thrice.
June 1, 2006, 1 a.m. CST
I like to think I have escaped most of the jaded pessimistic atmosphere that tends to permeate these talkbacks. For example, I am totally psyched for Superman Returns, PotC2, and a ton of other things this year. But I have to admit, I died a little bit inside when I looked at those Bumblebee pictures. And to all the people who are mocking those of us who are sad that Bumblebee is a bitchin' camaro, I have this to say. It's not that they changed what kind of car he is. As the great secret of geek adaptation states, you can change any detail you want, as long as you maintain the spirit of the original work. And I mean ANY detail. If the movie respects the object of our affections, we will forgive the changes. And I totally understand that it's not Bay's fault that VW wouldn't let him use a beetle. But the sad truth is that anybody who would even consider making Bumblebee a camaro as a second choice, well, that somebody is obviously somebody who just doesn't GET it. That is why we are sad. (For the record, I probably would have gone with a PT Cruiser, myself. I don't even like that vehicle, but do a google image search, look at that gold one at the top, and tell me it wouldn't work!)
June 1, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST
What the FUCK is up with that story? It doesn't match the comics OR the cartoons. Bumblebee looks terrible. I SO wanted to see this, and now it just looks like it'll turn out to be another Bay turd. Bad Boys II but without the annoying black men.
June 1, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST
by zikade zarathos
SHITE. This is honestly like giving Spider-Man the ability to fly, or having King Kong be a gigantic dog. Not getting what Transformer became what car right is that ridiculous a change. And it doesn't matter that VW didn't let them use the Bug. You just don't put him in, then. You create a brand new Transformer that is the audience surrogate, and no one bitches. Better to leave him out than do him wrong. Just imagine if Singer put in Gambit and made him NOT Cajun. Think of the bitching then. And this isn't like playing canonical "favorites" by sticking to G1. It's not like crazy fanboy bullshit like what Superman is it going to be, Pre-Crisis or Post-Crisis or whatever. Bumblebee was ALWAYS a Beetle. It DEFINES the character. Seriously, if you just wanted the concept of transforming vehicles/robots, just do it and make it something completely different. This is clearly just for the money that the name recognition/nostalgia binge will bring.
June 1, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST
There actually are two fully functional Ospreys?! None of them has exploded/crashed/started crying yet?
June 1, 2006, 2 a.m. CST
by heywood jablomie
Proof positive that AICN's core flabby 36-year-old audience really is a bunch of 12-year-old six-times-a-day masturbators underneath.
June 1, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST
That shall be the next trilogy after this. This cats gotta scat. http://www.myspace.com/themoog71
June 1, 2006, 2:10 a.m. CST
Something about cars that turn into giant fucking robots seems it should be left to animation...
June 1, 2006, 2:18 a.m. CST
Couldnt they have made Bumblebee Like this?? http://tinyurl.com/m7wd4 This is from the upcoming G1 line by HASBRO
June 1, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST
wtf were you thinking choonie. That sux. It looks like a vwbug. I hope we get to see some of these transformers drift tokyo style!
June 1, 2006, 2:22 a.m. CST
You were talking about what fanboy reactions would have been like if advance knowledge of movies had been around back in the day. You wrote: "Or with ROTJ, "That's stupid. They can't be brother and sister"! Dude that IS stupid that George Lucas made them brother and sister. That was not the original intent. Neither was having Darth Vader be Luke's father, but that admittedly turned out awesome. A great moment in a great movie. Anyway, why make a Transformers movie if NONE of the characters are the same as the Transformers toys, cartoons, or comics? Obviously they want all new characters because they want all new toys to sell. Makes sense from a business standpoint. My fellow fanboys, it is pretty clear that this film is a cash-in opportunity on a brand name that can generate a lot of merchandise revenue. Nothing more, nothing less. Since every studio is owned by a corporation now, it seems that every summer-type movie is maximized only for profit. HOW MANY GENRE CLASSICS HAVE WE HAD IN THE LAST 20 YEARS? I would love some responses to that question. I can only think of two: The Matrix and Jurassic Park. With Pirates of the Caribbean coming pretty close in my opinion. Feel free to add to those. I can only tell you that The Transformers won't end up a classic.
June 1, 2006, 2:28 a.m. CST
You seem to know so much about what really goes on behind the scenes. Are you James Cameron? Say yes.
June 1, 2006, 2:59 a.m. CST
I wish I had a tenth of the power that James Cameron has. So anyway, although your post is dripping with midly amusing sarcasm, I'll still go ahead and repeat what I was saying in a paraphrased version: "Corporations now own the studios which isn't good for creating great movies." The way I came upon this "behind the scenes" knowledge is I read that the studios had been purchased by corporations in the 70's and 80's, and I haven't seen a whole lot of great summer cinema since.
June 1, 2006, 3:52 a.m. CST
Just kidding, I don't have that much of a nerd attachment to Transformers, and come on, you knew as soon as Michael Bay signed on that it was guaranteed 100% ridiculous moronic shit designed for and by idiots with no taste or human cells in their bodies. If there is someone who can turn Transformers into a nuanced movie, they hired that person's exact opposite in Michael Bay. Also, I don't think anyone can really accept a handheld gun that turns into a giant robot in a serious live action movie, so I'm not bothered that they felt they had to change Megatron. But if the tank really is Devastator, that actually is causing my nerd senses to tingle and bringing me back to 4th grade. Devastator was only cool because he was all the Constructicons combined into one extra gigantic robot. It's not like he is a character with a personality that can be recognized when transferred into a different robot body. The whole point is that he's multiple robots combined into one. What's next, a Voltron movie without lions?
June 1, 2006, 4:46 a.m. CST
by Dave The Slushy
...'Cause we need a WAAAAAmbulance! Apart from Prime (he IS a Mack truck), who cares EXACTLY what each character is. I think it was Quint who pointed out that they can fuck with canon all they want, AS LONG AS THEY GET THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARACTER RIGHT. As long as Bumblebee is still bumblebee, I wouldn't care if he's a farking goofy SMART car. As long as Megatron is still the embodiment if evil with a big fucking gun, who cares if he's a jet, helicopter or a fucking Trabant? If your crying already over deviation from canon, you won't enjoy this movie. I, on the other hand, am looking foward to giant killer robots breaking things.
June 1, 2006, 5:14 a.m. CST
by xavier masterson
...You should stop right there and ask yourself why you feel qualified to complain about how this production is unfolding. Your precious Transformers continuity is, was and will always be a toy commercial devised using toy logic. This isn't like complaining about Spider-Man, Batman or Superman. Those comics actually attempted to spin tales and create a mythology for their characters that wasn't derived from toy manufacturers and the silly logic applied to those toys. Transformers, however, have always been exclusively a cash-in and merchandising prospect. The producers of this live action film will be doing themselves a huge favor by not listening to a single word of your ridiculous complaints. Comic continuity, cartoon continuity? It was all ridiculous and needs as many changes and revisions so as not to be laughed off of the screen by a larger audience comprised of more than just Transfomer continuity purists(Jesus, that's almost too funny to type). So, sit back and quit complaining because there is a giant robots that turn into cool shit like tanks, mustang police enforcers, and trucks and shit movie coming out and it isn't a cartoon. How cool is that? Don't suck all of the fun out of it before it even gets here.
June 1, 2006, 6:23 a.m. CST
Heres the scene Sam is in his car and some shit starts happening and all of a sudden BubbleBee comes alive and takes over the steering and off we go into a chase or battle or whatever... so do you want the headlight of the VW to open as eyes and the cars picks up to a whooping 70mph ala Herbie or do you want shit to kick off the engine to kick up and sam to shit it as the Camero takes off at 140 into oncoming traffic. That said even if BB was a VW some of you would bitch at him being the wrong shade of yellow
June 1, 2006, 6:31 a.m. CST
VW doesn't want them using the Bug for a "war" movie. I wonder if they remember that the Bug was designed by Hitler. If that is not calling the aryan white.
June 1, 2006, 6:45 a.m. CST
It has that "like the real thing but not quite" look going on that Transformers toys always had - and I like it...
June 1, 2006, 6:49 a.m. CST
Because if you read anything youll know the movie is a about a kid buying his first car. I don't want a beetle? KNow one wants a beetle even the new one,unless your a fucking idiot or a girl. So the PLOT desicion to make bumble bee slightly more less crap, is a good one and will put all you HATERS to shame. THIS WILL ROCK I TELL YOU NOW.
June 1, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST
I don't know about your neck of the woods, but most of the people I know got stuck with shitty first cars... so your gripe about what a kid wants doesn't mean much to me. There is what a kid wants, and there is what a kid gets stuck with. Hell, When I was 16 I was stuck with a 79 Granada. Oh happy day!
June 1, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST
He's the EP on this movie. He's the one who posted a video saying he was a huge fan. He has, I would think, a teeny bit of control over this movie. So why is everyone bashing Bay first? Harry and many talkbackers have had no issues bashing Rothman or the producers of X3, even giving Ratner a pass for the movie (which I enjoyed, but that's not an argument to start here) but on this board the change to Bumblebee is laid right at the feet of Michael Bay. Just think that if you're looking to bitch and scream, maybe you should be a little more inclusive...
June 1, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST
We are just telling it like it is. No biggie. If Michael Mann cast Ving Rhames to play Mike Wallace in The Insider, we'd bitch about that too. We're not haters. We are no different than the high school teacher that put a bad grade on your report card. U may hate us for writing, but we're just telling it like it is.
June 1, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST
Let's wait till we actually see more from the film before we judge. I mean look at the pictures. I would guess that BumbleBee is gonna start off as a banged up camaro before he gets a refit and looks like the new version. Worry more about the characterisation of the transformers and if the humans detract from them, rather than whether or not Optimus Prime looks exactly like the cartoon which, as many previous talk backers have pointed out, is NOT canon. Whatever 'canon' means anyway.
June 1, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST
Let's not turn this into be about people that hate Bay. That is a given. BOTTOM LINE: Get the characters right or those longtime fans will not pay for a ticket. I didn't like Transformers growing up, but it doesn't take a Hollywood executive to realize that they are screwing up royally.
June 1, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST
It isn't about the way the damn car looks! The fans just want Bumblebee to be something as non-threatening as a VW Bug. We want a bug, but we'd be happy to see any tame vehicle over something that looks like it leaped out of The Fast and the Furious.
June 1, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST
they said they were going to give us a G1 live-action film. This ain't G1. This looks like the Transformers Armada redux crap that was put out a couple of years ago in terms of design and the story spits on fans. They're hunting around for ONE energon cube??! Not to look like a total geekazoid but I rememer in the 1st episode where Megatron & co were making cube after cube from the hydrogenerators at a fucking Dam! You know, just before that battle between megatron & optimus with the laser weapons out of their hands, which were never seen again but people still remember. I could live with Megatron as a tank instead of a gun cause everyone complains about him turning into a smaller weapon when he's got a fucking cannon strapped to his arm, but a jet?! That just stinks of "we need aerial battle footage". Oh and to the person saying that only Megatron shrank, what about Shockwave? Turned into a radio (as did his autobot ripoff), don't remember seeing humans looking at a 20ft high radio so i'm guessing he shrank. Anyhow, guess it looks like there'll be only one G1 cartoon movie and a live-action film that'll spawn a new cartoon to line the coffers of the producers. So no, don't fuck Bay. He's already properly fucked after The Island. I say, Fuck Spielberg. Fuck him and his Hook-like tendencies for family entertainment.
June 1, 2006, 7:15 a.m. CST
Merrick says he has the script -- so let's see a review. If you have a script, stlfilmwire, let's see a review. And talk about the characters. Beacuse all I saw before I jumped into this board was a bunch of cars. And none of them tell me anything about the character of the Transformers they are meant to portray. That is going to be determined by the script and by the voice-talent. Bumblebee can still be insecure, he can still be the 'kid brother' Autobot, he can still be the same as he was in the comic books -- he's just going to look differently. Which brings up this question, and I swear I'm not doing this to start a fight here: don't most people now think that Hugh Jackman got Wolverine spot-on? And quickly forgave the leather outfit? But the outcry when those pics were originally scooped...my God, makes this look like a love-in. Point is, if you get the essence of the character right, people forgive the other things.
June 1, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST
OK, let's swallow the terrible truth. OK, the only way to make this camaro Bumblebee would be to make him cocky, but it still runs like a little 4 cylinder. All flash and no go. See, Bumblebee is the little car that all the other transformers have to look after. He's always been "one of the little guys"... maybe the boy that fixed him up spent all the $ on rims and paint. Maybe the engine has a few problems. There u go!
June 1, 2006, 7:23 a.m. CST
That is another argument altogether. He was far from Wolverine. And that isn't his fault. That was the script. Last I saw, Wolverine didn't cry in every single issue of X-Men... but somehow he manages to start whining in every single movie. To get the female audience, today's heroes (in all movies) have been reduced to constantly crying babies... from Affleck in Pearl Harbor, to Wolverine. But back to Bumblebee. The bottom line is that his car shouldnt be as powerful as the others. So unless the other cars are Ferraris and stuff, we still have that problem. We should feel like the car version of Bumblebee doesnt have a shot... so when he does pull through, we are cheering him on.
June 1, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST
Why do I feel like I'm being patronized?
June 1, 2006, 7:47 a.m. CST
I can see the point that people are making. Sometimes, we fans of the original source material can be quite fickle...childish, even. I mean, seriously...what business do we have complaining about them changing the very nature of one of the most beloved characters in the original Transformers "canon" (for lack of a better word)? While we're at it, we can take a tip from the fellows over at Penny Arcade and let George Lucas make the Star Wars he REALLY intended to make. You know the one, with Luke being replaced by a dashing (but loveable) cat named "Meow Skywalker". That wouldn't be such a big deal, now would it? Sheesh. Bumblebee's a fuckin' VW Bug. End of story.
June 1, 2006, 7:50 a.m. CST
He's an American car, first in a new line. That means that he'll have at least one major recall before 25,000 miles and his transmission is going to fall apart at 70,000. Compared to all the other Autobots, which are based on Japanese vehicles, he's unreliable and his gas mileage sucks. The film is about Bumblebee feeling inadequate and constantly running out of gas as he tried to get to Qatar to join in the big battle. And his kid owner can't afford the $3.20/gallon to fill him up. There you go. Now can he be a cool car? :-)
June 1, 2006, 7:56 a.m. CST
Megatron turing into a tank, or bumble bee being a sedan instead of a Bug.... well..... I'm afraid this is in the the wrong hands. Lets look at the dynamics of the transformers for a second. Megatron and starscream were at odds with each other over who was truely in command. But the two needed each other because when Megatron turned into a gun, star scream would use him. THAT'S the transformers movie I want to see. Fuck this tank crap. The only Tank i remember from Transformers was a three way transformer. And he was a gimmick. Now lets look at Bumble bee. Making him this new car is like that big flashy hot rod car that was in the original transformers movie. Bumble bee had a look. He wasn't the bigest transformer, and he wasn't the most powerful. And thats why he related closer with the humans. Sorry, I sound like a little bitch hating on X3 because it's not comic book cannon. but this I feel justified over. I don't give a shit about cars changing into robots. i want to see the classics on the big screen in a live action version of something that was so fucking cool and dear to our hearts. But, I may be wrong. This film could totally rock my balls.
June 1, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST
I was thinking too much about when I was a kid. If you look at TODAY'S Transformer toys, the real people to get screwed over are today's kids. Man, and u thought we had it bad. LOL.
June 1, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST
I have to admit I was not the biggest fan. So maybe that means I don't get it. But the whole transforming-robots thing may only make sense as a cartoon. Because when I look at these photos, the cars and tanks are too prosaic. I realize that in live action the whole point is that they fit in perfectly - but that may be the source of my problem here. Oh well, maybe they'll really blow me away with the transformation sequences.
June 1, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST
This movie is basically going to be an ad for new cars instead of actually having the transformers as they were? This movie looks completely ridiculous. I would honestly rather watch a Dragonball Z live action movie. Which isn't saying much.
June 1, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST
Hollywood bolsters flaging box office with auto sales/insurance commission. Sad really to see Hollywood like the desperate old whore it is... Oh, and Bumblebee was and will always be a bug.
June 1, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST
folks, the pitch for this movie is simple: Summer action tent pole movie where everyday vehicles turn into robots and do battle. You can leave all of your 'but Bumblebee did this in the cartoon' and 'what about the matrix?' and 'this isn't true to the character that was developed in the comic mini series from 1986' at the door. This is the concept of transforming machine robots fighting on earth, don't expect anything more. You'll always have dvds of your favorite TF cartoons. Not to mention--Megatron has been any number of different things in the various toy lines and cartoons and other spinoffs, not just a gun, so there's a pretty decent precedent for not sticking to any particular vision of what Megatron or any of these guys is or isn't. Optimus Primal, anyone?
June 1, 2006, 8:30 a.m. CST
Bumblebee is a Volkswagen. The character is trademarked and copyrighted. Not to mention that a car company does not have the right to state that their vehicles can not be shown in a film. they can object to the use of their NAME, as in showing a close-up of the hood ornament (which could easily be removed), but what it sounds like is that they refused to be a "sponsor" of this film. it's not that VW is anti-war (besides, in this movie Bumblebee is a good guy). i mean, VW has commercials of Peter Stormare doing a nazi-like Dr. Strangelove talking about German engineering.
June 1, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST
Sorry bub. Screw with a formula, get a 15 million dollar first week... versus doing an honest job of trying to translate the cartoon/comic to the screen.. which will bring in 15 million PLUS another 10 million of fans that then wouldn't feel raped. I liked the toys, but the storyline never worked for me. I'm just calling it like I see it.
June 1, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST
Yeah, Bumblebee isn't a bug in this children's movie. I know it's hard, but try not to cry.
June 1, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...for they know not of what they speak. Seriously. I've made the argument about G1 being a very small and, especially now, relatively insiginificant part of Transformers history. They wanted to lynch me. So I kept pushing it, even though I happen to prefer the G1 versions of these characters and can understand why folks would bristle at a Bumblebee Camaro. I think that's a far more legitimate gripe than complaining about Megatron as a Tank (which was his first retrofit after teh gun form in G1 continuity). Of course, they might be playing up Bumblebee's insecurity and have slelected a form that compensates...not unlike all the adolescent toolboxes who actually buy and drive Camaros.
June 1, 2006, 8:45 a.m. CST
by Lance Turk
Another useless comment of mine buried in the talkback. Oh well. I grew up on Transformers. I WAS going to be first in line to see this movie. Now I don't have any plans to see it at all. It looks like Transformers in concept only. They have a wealth of cool characters, storylines and subplots to pick and choose from. Why the hell would they just piss all over that and make up their own bots? Turn everything into the search for one energon cube? It just doesn't make sense. The only thing I equate this to is if the X-men movie came out with Wolverine and Professor X against Magneto. All of the other X-men in the movie were created by the screenwriter. Wolverine is now a smart dressed businessman. And Magneto's mutation gives him the ability to change forms. THAT is how I am feeling about this transformer's movie. And THAT is why I won't even watch it now. Not even on DVD or cable.
June 1, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/qla5g Check out Megatron. Hehe.
June 1, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST
http://www.blackfilm.com/20060512/features/transformertest_video.shtml I really wasn't that interested in a Transformers movie. Frankly, I always considered them a toy advertisement. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, it just wasn't my cup of tea. But the aforementioned amateur clip really piqued my interest. This could be fun, after all.
June 1, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST
See... the general population will discard this as a kiddie movie made by the guy that made Pearl Harbor. So who is left? The people that love the history of the characters and the kids that own the toys. Screw them, and the movie has nobody behind it. We are not ALL talking as fans. Some of us are just scratching our heads over these flaky decisions. If they decided to make a Smoky and the Bandit movie and have Bandit drive a PT Cruiser, I'd be saying the same stuff.
June 1, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST
Seriously. They're toys. For playing with. Now, I'm a fan. I own two Decepticons t-shirts, I've got Bruticus and that train combiner they made a few years ago on my speakers at home. I just made the cop/Decepticon symbol my desktop background. But let's get real for a second here - they were created as children's toys and the cartoons/comics were always meant to tie in with the toys.
June 1, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST
Spidey pics! http://www.xfm.net/posts/395
June 1, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST
Doesn't interest me enough yet. I never was huge into transformers when I was a kid. I can't see how they're going to make this movie NOT be silly.
June 1, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST
But correct me if I am wrong, but this isn't going to be a rated G movie. It is a PG movie or higher. PARENTAL GUIDANCE. Last I heard, transformers aren't going to be driving through neighborhoods and picking up ten year olds to take them to the theatre.
June 1, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST
by The Dude Abides
recognize many of these names. Of course, all I remember is the very first story arc or so, up until the original Transformers movie. Which still kicks ass, by the way. It's gonna be tough to beat.
June 1, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST
I had to deal with my beloved X-Men getting the crapshaft now it's your fucking turn. I'll tell you what everyone told me years before X3 came out, "quit your fanboy bitching and deal with it."
June 1, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST
And thus Xavier has identified and tagged a new species of geek.
June 1, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST
Fanboy bitching or not. We aren't the ones fucking up. Hehe. OK, lets move forward. Let's assume that they use known actors to be the voices of the robots. Out of all the known actors out there, who do u think has a good "transformer" voice? U don't have to be character specific. My picks: Sam Waterston, Tom Sizemore, Bruno Kirby, Henry Winkler, and Carl Weathers. Yes, I tried staying away from obvious choices. Now your turn...
June 1, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST
You are giving Geeks a bad name. Stop it.
June 1, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST
There is no such thing as a cool fanboy. We are all wasting our time. My curiosity has caused me to waste way too much time on AICN. And I'll be here tomorrow as well... yawn
June 1, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST
And yet, all those same "purists" will be in line opening day, because "...I just had to see for myself..." I, like a lot of you, grew up watching and loving the Transformers. This movie will rock, and I don't CARE what model each robot is. (That said, if Optimus Prime isn't a big semi truck, I'll have to proclaim that Bay raped my childhood, LOL)
June 1, 2006, 9:52 a.m. CST
There was no chance this movie was EVER going to be faithful to the cartoon. Hell, the later versions of the CARTOON weren't even faithful to G1! I think we just have to get over that. I'm putting my love for the original Transformers aside and just hoping that this is a decent flick. And really, some of the more geeked out aspects of the cartoon ("sparks," The Matrix of Leadership, Alpha Sigma) are way too wacky for a mainstream movie anyways. Giant, transforming robots who kick the crap out of each other? Hell, yes. This is a movie I've been dying to see ever since Jurassic Park proved that CGI could be believable on the big screen. Bay can direct the hell out of an action flick, and (may my inner 12-year-old forgive me) Bumblebee IS cooler as a Camaro.
June 1, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST
Although we ALL want to see the original 80's transformers made into a cool new movie, I think we need to face facts. Transformers have been through so many iterations (including animals) that mos associate te brand name more with the IDEA behind the toys that the actual toys themselves. Kids don't know anymore if Optimus is a semi, a fire truck, a gorilla, a space ship or what. And lets be honest. ALl of us fans of the show know damn well that yes, bumblebee was a little bug. But let's be honest here. We all hated bumblebee back in the day and knew he was a useless waste of energon. We longed for the days when Bumblebee wasn't so damn lame. Don't deny it. Frankly, I'm glad they made him into a camaro. I think it look cool. My only hope is they have the gust to stick with ONE element of the original series. Having said all that, I am pretty sure the movie will blow and be little more than a crazy spin on movies like The Fast and the Furious. I predict the movie will be %90 car chases and explosions. It will be also be bad as the budget is dedicated mostly to making the cars look good for the companies, and finding ways to encourage kids to buy the line of movie related toys that will inevitably come out.
June 1, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST
Read it, Holmes.
June 1, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST
good point. I was feeling kinda weird about the whole thing. And then you reminded me that yes, indeed, when I was growing up I thought Bumblebee was a big honkin' pussy. Agreed that this will probably STILL suck as a film, but yes- fanboy bitching aside, it's nice to at least GET a Transformers movie, even if it is just a bunch of explosions that constitute a 90 minute commercial for whatever car company or Haliburton type company saw fit to pump funds into it that ultimately lacks in thematic content, character development or heart of any kind but is vaguely reminiscent of a toy and storyline I lived and died by as a young, impressionable youth because it masqauarades under the brand name. There was all sorts of interesting grammar in that last sentence...
June 1, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST
Bumblebee is just wrong - and that tank had better be Megatron rather than devastator. I do actually agree with Megatron changing into something big. I never agreed with the shrinking & growing thing, why didn't they all shrink right down to toy size and sneak into places? And how did all of the decepticons manage to fit INSIDE astrotrain in TFTM ? It always made me laugh when the decepticons were arguing about who was going to be their new leader after they kicked megatron out into space. The constructicons reckon they should be leader cos they're they biggest? Yeah, the biggets INSIDE astrotrain. Hmmm... I seem to have drifted off a bit. SUMMARY: Bumblebee: NO. Devastator (if he's the tank): NO. Megatron (if he's the tank): OK.
June 1, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST
Cars. Oh, geez. I mean... man. Bumblebee was a Volkswagon or something similar. This crapola sucks so far.
June 1, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST
Thinking about it, what I'd really like to see is a live action version of TF:TM, word for word, exactly as it was made in '85. But then I want it retro-cel-shaded so that it just looks like a cartoon.
June 1, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST
...is to relax and not take this whole thing too seriously (which you seem to agree with, more or less). It's not like they're adapting Holy Writ, y'know?
June 1, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST
...but DerLange is NOT DerLanghaarige!
June 1, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST
Hold these guys to the flame. They want to reap the benefits of turning a popular brand name into a movie, then they should be held to the heat. I could care less, but I am going to raise questions and voice when I think a dumb decision has been made. Tyrese anyone?
June 1, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST
This would be good if they did it up as a badass car-destroying rampage stuntathon with no CGI. Actual cars actually transforming into actual death-machines. As it is, I will be expecting Maximum Overdrive mixed with KITT mixed with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang mixed with those cars from Hanna-Barbera's Wacky Races.
June 1, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST
get over yourselves you fucking nobs - at first I thought this outrage was ironic, a bit of a joke at the expense of fanboys and geeks, but now i realise that you morons are actually taking this shit seriously. You know I used to watch the Transformers, I had loads of the toys and I even went to see the original movie at the cinema but you know what? I CAN'T REMEMBER A FUCKING THING ABOUT IT - THE PLOT, THE CHARACTERS NAMES, THE ORIGINS save for the odd bit. NOTHING, FUCKING NOTHING. Just that it was giant robots transforming and shit. Thats because I was a child and it was 20 fucking years ago. Transformers was a a fun children's cartoon AND THATS ALL. Get a life ass bandits.
June 1, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
Now, I've got an old soft spot for the Transformers. I grew up watching the cartoon, the movie, and played with the toys. But all the negative commentary being thrown at these photos is a bit much. True, there are certain details that should be "held to the flame". But as long as they get the nature of the characters right, I'm sure all the knee-jerk reactions to these photos will be rendered mute. Besides, we have yet to see or hear anything in its proper context. (Someone has seen the script? Then where is the script review???) One thing that Bay does well is make big shiny things go "Boom!". That's what this movie had better be about. And with Spielberg behind the scenes, I hope we have a good representation of the G1 characters = a murderous Megatron and a noble, kick-ass Optimus Prime. Also, I'd be less concerned about the appearance of their individual vehicle modes than their robot modes. That's the money detail that they HAVE to get right. Anyway...until all are one.
June 1, 2006, 11:21 a.m. CST
For all you fanboy crying in your microave Easy Mac right now about the Transformers movie, think of it like this. If the Transformers concept NEVER existed and someone came along and cooked up the concept, put it on film and released it, NO ONE WOULD GO! They would say, "A movie with robots/cars that change shape... and fight? C'mon! How corny is that shit." But back to reality -- everyone has their panties in a bunch all of a sudden over a movie based on an 80s cartoon that was originally a creative way to sell toys to the ever present car-and-robot-loving 8-10 year-old boy demographic. PFFT, get real. If this film concept pisses you off that much, you need to get laid... BIG TIME.
June 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST
by AGE IIX
Megatron won't have a canonon his arm!
June 1, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST
I'm holding out for M.A.S.K: The Movie.
June 1, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
makes sense as a first car and for a less-than-threathening vehicle. But this is Bay, so the muscle car is par for course.
June 1, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST
What a complete mess this is going to be.
June 1, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST
was a 64 1/2 mustang that was in only slightly better shape than that generation 2 camaro that they have pictured. I do NOT find it unbelievable that that old beater wouldn't be someone's first car. Sure it may be a muscle car, but it looks like crap, probably runs like crap, and is definately something that and COOL 16 year old kid would want to have!
June 1, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST
The simple reason why Bumblebee isnt a VW bug oder Honda Civic or whatever is, that it needs to be an american car for the american audience.
June 1, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST
I'll be happy. Check out this video clip of a dancing "autobot." http://tinyurl.com/nolph
June 1, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST
When the kid first takes Bumblebee out for a test-drive, he should turn on the radio and "You've Got the Touch" should blare out of those 70's Pioneer speakers - the original version btw. You know where to send the royalties Bay.
June 1, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST
I am sick of people saying fanboys should not complain well i have this to say to you. When was the last great comic book movie. Besides spiderman, which i still dont think they got right but i'm not butt hurt by it, every "geek" movie has sucked because hollywood has tried to change it to fit what they think is a mass audience. When you change a property soooooo much it doesn't become the story that people liked in the first place. If they would listen to us fan boys they wouldn't make shit like daredevil, fantastic four, elektra, x3, punisher, all of the new star wars flicks, and so on. All those movies could have been great but all were FUCKED up that's why fanboys bitch. I can handle bumblebee not being a beatle but decepticon cars, new characters that weren't in G1. There's a reason why none of the later incarnations of transformers didn't work because G1 was the best. The best characters and story the more you change it the more it's gonna end up like energon, or beast wars or some lame shit like that.
June 1, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST
First of all I'd like to point to IMDB as listing Shia LaBeouf's character as Spike Witwickey and not "Sam". Kevin Dunn is also listed as Sparkplug. Now this would have given me a little hope except that IMDB also listed Rosemary Harris as May Parker/Carnage until last night. Still, let me ask you this. If the Transformers characters don't appear in more than half the movie, then can you really call this a Transformers Movie? No, you can't. Honestly, if you make Bumblebee a Camero then you should just call him Hot Shot. No one would complain about the car then. Of course they would bitch that this is not a G1 Movie, but it's already NOT a G1 Movie. If it were we would see Cybertron in the opening. We would know that the Great Cybertronian War over Energon was about the Autobots and Decepticons, not the humans who sit on their thumbs. If Spielberg was as big a fan as he says he is, then he should step in and correct the mistakes being made so far. Transformers fans want a TRANSFORMERS Movie. Not GoBots, not 90 minutes of people discovering the Transformers and 10 minutes of actual action. We want 110 minutes of Transformers with about 10 minutes of humanity sprinkled in. I swear, the scene with "Sam" discovering the Transformers should be like five minutes long. The Decepticons never cared about the whole desguise thing. Who cares if this was a childrens cartoon/comic/toyline/lunchbox. Think abou this instead.... ((( Imagine Spike and his older brother Buster moving two VW Beetles for the Dad Sparkplug outside his autoshop. Spike's in the yellow one and Buster is in the red one that has a spoiler on it. Three jets fly overhead as people start running past them trying to get away from something. Sparkplug looks up from under the hood of a Red Hummer H2 as a special bulletin comes across the TV. A tank is rampaging through downtown. Sparkplug realizes that this Tank is just a few blocks from his shop. As he wipes off his socket wrench he step out onto the sidewalk and calls to his boys. From a block down the street Spike and Buster look up at the sky. The three Jets seem to be circling overhead. Suddenly a semi truck barrels down the street the boys heads whip in that direction and a loud earth shattering crash can be heard. People scream as an explosion rings through the streets. Suddenly two giant robots crash through the side of the building on the street Spike and Buster are on. Rubble and debris fly everywhere. Sparkplug shouts for his boys to look out when the two VW beetles transform and protect the boys. Bumblebee smiles at the young boy who looks up in amazement. Cliffjumper looks down the street at Sparkplugs garage. The Hummer starts up and backs out of the garage before it transforms into Ironhide. Ironhide winks at Sparkplug and thanks him for the tuneup as two of the three jets from overhead buzz the street and the transformation sound can be heard as Starscream lands on the ground behind Bumblebee and tosses him aside. Spike looks up in fear as Starscreams weapons charge. Just as he's about to fire Megatron is thrown by Optimus Prime into Starscream. The need for hiding is over. The fight has begun. ))) Now, should this be what we are getting? Shouldn't we get something like this within the first twenty minutes of the film? Shouldn't we then be getting another 100 minutes of Megatron and his Decepticons attempting to steal energon from earths energy suppliers or create a device that will extract limitless energon at the expense of the earth? Shouldn't we just be getting better than we are?
June 1, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST
by victor laszlo
sO.... what director would you prefer to direct an epic, ridiculous, idealized mega-budget carChase/giantRobots-from-sPace/action movie? His style fits this material like a glove, and you guys need to chill the fuck out. I mean, it's also exec-produced by perhaps the only filmmaker who truly understands that geek adolescent sense of awe behind why we all dug Transformers toys/tv to begin with....
June 1, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST
see what happens when they listen to fan boys they make good movies like Batman begins
June 1, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST
Hate it or not, you're all gonna be there. Michael Bay is awesome, I've said it before and I'll say it again and again, you like him, you're just being a snob. Not everyone is an artiste, some people paint portraits others draw comics, they can both be great artists. Get over yourself. Can one person here seriously call them selves a fan of action movies and really look me in the eye and tell me that they aren't going to see a movie about Robots fighting eachother? Really? Look at me and tell me that. yeah I didn't think so. You are allowed to hate it if it sucks, but don't tell me you're not seeing it.
June 1, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST
..because this shit sounds wack as hell. People are excite for this? strange....
June 1, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
just your average cartoon show. Cartoons like that only come around once in a lifetime. Fuck Pokemon! And yes, Bumbleebee should be small like a bug hence the name "BUMBLEBEE"! Hollywwod douchebags.
June 1, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST
Now these are the cars & trucks that turn into robots & stuff - right ? (Hey, gimme a break, I was working when these were shown). Someone told me that one can turn himself into a gun and shoot himself. WTF (?) Suicidal transformers. This is the same guy who argued with me all last summer that Megatron (???) could whup Dr Doom's ass.
June 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST
I've got to admit, I really don't see why this film is so highly anticipated. Sure I loved the toys and cartoon as a kid, but it's not something I have any interest in twenty years later.
June 1, 2006, 12:56 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...does nothing for me. And I'm a fan of G1 Transformers. What you've got there is the opening to an episode of the cartoon, and not even the first episode. That's no way to introduce these characters and this concept to the masses which, I'm sorry, is what this movie is angling for. I'm sure it's not intentionally trying to piss off fans, but it's not going to place our desires above what it thinks will have the widest appeal and accessibility to a general audience. If they manage to do that with a level of faithfulness approaching the highly interpreted and adapted X-Men movies, I'll be plenty satisfied (and none of the movie X-Men really looked much like their comic counterparts in their original incarnations at all). As for Batman Begins, sokitome, we should all be grateful that the film makers DIDN'T listen to every ridiculous fanboy rant or we all would've been treated to an extended version of Dead End (which, while possessing novelty value, would've blown chunks) or, worse yet, whatever ultra-specific-to-his-favorite-issue-of-the-comics concept moviemack might have pitched. They interpreted and adapted multiple iterations of Batman source material (including Year One, Dark Knight Returns, various takes on the character from the comics and the Burton films) to give us what many Bat fans agree is the definitive movie Batman. Could you imagine if we'd all crapped all over their efforts based on those initial stills of what, still, admittedly, can be a goofy looking bat suit? Or their take on the Batmobile? (I know, some people did crap on these things and on leaked story elements, and now they tend to sound like angry crackpots when they bring these things up). I think we can give Spielberg and Bay, two far more well-known and established names than Nolan and Goyer (both of whom I dig, by the way) a bit of benefit of the doubt until we see some actual footage.
June 1, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST
by Screaming Brain
Like 'stlfilmwire' said earlier, go read MB's blog site. This guy might have an EARLY,EARLY draft and i'm sure it's the SAME one that's been passed around online for MONTHS now.
June 1, 2006, 1 p.m. CST
So if Bumblebee should be small like a bug....how does that explain the red version named "cliff jumper." I doubt the VW bug was an offroad vehicle or somethign that cloud jump off cliffs.
June 1, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST
The actual cartoon was pretty corny until the movie gave them life (and death). Unfortunately the cartoon reverted back to same old format after the movie. And everyone stopped watching because of it.
June 1, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST
But he sure as shit shouldn't be a SPORTS CAR. We'd accept him as any of a hundred other compact cars: Ford Cobalt, Ford Neon, Chevy Geo, BMW Smart, Mini Cooper, Audi A2, Aveo/Kalos, Citroen C2, Citro
June 1, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST
You haven't seen one speck of footage and you've written a movie off.
June 1, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST
Consider the first one to be the Smart FourTwo. Anyway, why not make the lead character Smokescreen, Sunstreaker, Tracks, Jazz, Sideswipe, Wheeljack or Hot Rod? Why take a non-sports car character and radically change him?
June 1, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST
Get a Yugo Transformer, have him speak in a mock-Swedish like the Swedish Chef from "The Muppet Show" and name him "Bork."
June 1, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST
Too funny...must have been on clearance or something.
June 1, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST
The idea I pitched up there does harken back to the cartoon, (More like the comic) but isn't that really what we're all complaining about here? So far the film version of the Transformers is going to ignore everything about the characters for the sake of vehicle and product placement. As for that not doing anything for you, well that sucks for you since the film isn't going to be any better. Especially if we don't even see or hear the Transformers for most of this film. Try and rationalize it all you want as the studio trying to introduce and mass market these characters to audiences, but if we don't actually SEE the characters for much of the movie, why even bother with the changes. More and more this feels like we aren't getting a Transformers movie. It feels like GoBots and with the focus being the humans we really aren't getting a Transformer-centric film. As far as the Cliffjumper thing, well in the 70's and 80's there was beach or dune buggy versions of the VW bug. Bigger tires, spoiler and raised suspension. They literally jumped all over the dunes. Not that you see those today on a new VW Bug.
June 1, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST
by Gary Yogurt
Because they don't seem to be aware of the source material at all.
June 1, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
According to Mr. Bay's blog, we should see this: "The teaser and poster for the Transformers film will be out July 4, 2006."
June 1, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST
He'd have a one year life span, and then they'd have to trash him. He'd be disposable! Besides, I can't really picture Optimus yelling "Sideswipe, take out Starscream! Wheeljack! Handle Soundwave! Bork! You come with me to handle Megatron! I'm right behind you!"
June 1, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST
I just said that and I couldn't agree more. We should just call Optimus Prime, Leader-1 and have him take on CyKill. Forget the Transformers. Oh, wait...
June 1, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST
With Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Ultra Magnus, Cyclonus, Scourge and all the other 'future' dudes!
June 1, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
all six constructacons. Why isn't Bumblebee a bug??? What are all these made up robots? DON'T FUCK THIS SHIT UP BAY!!!
June 1, 2006, 2:03 p.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
that "Brawl", the cop car, may be the last of the V8 Interceptors...
June 1, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST
...and Peter Cullen provides his voice, I will be a happy camper. The rest of the mythos can be altered, but those two conditions MUST be met. **** Look, SHIA FUCKING LEBOUEF is the main character, so the film already has a huge strike against it. And you people are complaining about Bumblebee as a Camaro? **** I never liked Bumblebee anyway, so if he's a Camaro or a VW or a Schwinn, makes no difference to me. Giggity-giggity-GOOOO!
All you people do is bitch! You want a Transformers movie, then understand some things are going to be different. So many of you complained about Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but now you like him. Things like Spidey's web shooters, Wolverine's size, Kingpin being black, and BumbleBee not being a VW don't matter in the big picture. The important thing is these movies are being made. So stop yer bitchin nerds.
June 1, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST
This seems like the real thing... <http://www.blackfilm.com/20060512/features/transformertest_video.shtml>
June 1, 2006, 2:57 p.m. CST
it's not. Where's the famous and MANDATORY Transformers transforming sound effects? And the transformation itself is too simple. But it looks great.
June 1, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST
Which is lamer. Them putting him in the new yuppie Beetle? or in a badass yellow concept Camaro. Yeah exactly. Leave Bay alone to blow shit up real good. Leave you're pretensions at the door and pull your head out of your ass and enjoy the movie about ROBOTS FIGHTING EACHOTHER AND TURNING INTO CARS!!!!
June 1, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST
by Borgnine JR
...ass, or bumpers or whatever. Grow up fanboys, it's a movie based on CHEAP TOYS. Why should this movie have any integrity when the whole idea of the source material was to seperate little kids from their money?
June 1, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST
Good vid though - the closest I've seen to a live action transformer... (apart from that time Ravage jumped out of my tape deck)
June 1, 2006, 3:35 p.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST
... but I'll say it one more time. People (for the most part) are NOT complaining because Bumblebee is not a bug. They are complaining because he is a sleek muscle car, which is the polar opposite of the personality we all know and (most of us) love. It is an indication that the people who are in control of this movie are people who do not "get" the Transformers. Hence our unease. I'm not going to say the movie will suck just because I don't agree with what they turned Bumblebee into. I'm just a little more apprehensive than I was 24 hours ago. I think this is a perfectly valid emotional reaction for any fan of Transformers G1, and I think those of us who share it do not deserve a lot of the venom being directed at us. Actually, who am I kidding. Forgive my naive optimism. For a minute there, I forgot I was on the internet. *laughs*
June 1, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
nine times out of ten, if a film like this isn't aimed at the general audience, it ain't getting made. secondly, BAY is the perfect director for this; THE ISLAND was better than average for him (speaking as someone who likes most of his work), it's his kind of thing, and i don't see a line of directors waiting for a shot at it. all opposed to this project and/or generally whining about this its details are merely yapping to hear themselves yap, and/or just plain whiners. let the flaming commence.
June 1, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST
There is unease for the whole film because the film makers obviously can't get simple but crucial details right.
June 1, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST
first the underwhelming star wars prequels now the massacare of some of the coolest shit that entertained gen x. **Start of Bitching** I thought there was no way they could somehow fuck this up but dammit they are well on their way to really making this Go-Bots shitty. **end bitching**
June 1, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST
And not, like, red or something. LIke the Camaro I had in high school. When I peaked.
June 1, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST
Because people have already seen cars turn into robots on the internet and adverts. So the transformation from vehicle to robot is not going to impress anybody. Thats what Bay seems to be hanging this movie on...we are going to be stunned by the transformation.....I was stunned ages ago by a home made movie of a car transforming into a robot. You can't stun me twice. If the cars etc are not right then it isn't the Transformers.
June 1, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
...does not mean he is a "muscle bot". He may only be really fast but incredible weak and poorly armed = still a lovable underdog, right? -- Damn, I can't believe I just wrote this...us geeks are sounding more like spoiled bitches everyday on this site. :^(
June 1, 2006, 5:28 p.m. CST
Just put it the first season of Transformers. So if you want to be REAL technical and "follow th source material", know that Bumblbee had that name while they were on the Transformers planet long before he was a VW bug. He was a yellow hovercraft, and yes, they still called him bumblbee. So as long as he's bright yellow (which yes, makes him the color of a bumblebee) then who cares? Here's what they will do with this character and how they will stay true to show for the most part. Bumblebee on Earth is some broke down piece of crap. He looks like the underdog and has that personality just like Bumblebee did on the show. But he's picked up by Spike "Sam" (Please don't complain that they didn't use the original name of the kid.. Spike just wouldn't work nowadays), who's also an underdog himself. They create a friendship of sorts, and then Bumblebee's underdog "I'm nothing" attitude changes as he is suped up. He's still the nice innocent Autobot but finally has the chance to roll with the big boys. Is that so wrong of a story?? Sure, this will not be the center of this Transformers movie, but it will give it some heart to bring in a broader audience. A VW Bug would just not work. It's too Herby. Those saying why not use the MiniCoop, then stop making the complaint of the whole Bumblebee namesake (which has proven to be nothing because as said before, he was Bumblebee long before he was a VW Bug). Instead of the small car, he's a piece of crap while everyone else maybe got to be the cool ass vehicles, leaving him left behind. Okay, we're talking way too much about this stupid tiny detail. There are going to be changes. There will be many of the same Autobots and Decepticons that we grew up with, and probably some new ones too obviously. Who cares if Megatron is a tank?? It's a good change. He can't be some stationary gun... it wouldn't be cinematic. So take a deep breath, relax, and wait for the movie to come out before bashing all hopes.
June 1, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST
That got this movie made.....and they filmakers have shafted us. Thanks a fucking bunch.
June 1, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST
Why have they shafted us? We haven't even seen the damn movie yet? LOL
June 1, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST
June 1, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST
by Rodimus Ben
It's funny how the people complaining don't seem to know much about Transformers anyway. For example, Devastator wasn't made of five robots, he was made of six. Brawl always HAS BEEN the name of a Decepticon (you're probably confusing him with Brawn). And Jazz was not the police car, Prowl was. My point is, you people ranting about how the movie is taking liberties don't even have your own shit together anyway. Take a look at the name, folks. Transfans don't get any more hardcore than me, I promise. And honestly, none of what I've seen and read in this article bothers me. I am understanding and accepting of the changes necessary from one medium to another, and I don't jump to conclusions. So please don't lump all Transfans in with the impossible-to-please reactionists.
June 1, 2006, 7:23 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
(wait for it...wait for it...)...THEN YOU'RE NOT A REAL TRANSFORMERS FAN!!!! pwnage!!!
June 1, 2006, 7:23 p.m. CST
Another script that virtually writes itself, and this is what they come up with? The first 5 episodes of the original series would have made for a fun, kitchy movie. A more palatable story would just make the transformers a product of 2 competing corporations, each vying for a covetted military contract. The losing corporation "Decepticon Industries", turns on the military and goes renegade. Destroys the "Autobot Inc" factory and takes control of Hokkaido island. The surviving prototypes from Autobot Inc. are repaired and sent to take out the Decepticons. Grand action ensues. End of story.
June 1, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST
by Deadwood Dan
You haven't seen the fucking movie!!! Look at the toy line of Transformers: Alternator line...Optimus Prime is an F150! Why aren't you crying about that? It's a cool toy, that's why..and you are all gonna go and buy the toys for this movie...and you'll all see it twice, and claim it sucked both times... I think Bay makes great entertainment...I don't want something deep. I want transforming vehicles and robot battles. Anything deeper than that, and maybe I'll be a little ticked off. ;)
June 1, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST
You wrote: "One9duece(sic), thanks for proving my point. You haven't seen one speck of footage and you've written a movie off." Well moto, I don't have to put my head in the toilet to know somebody took a dump. The smell from outside the bathroom is a good enough indicator. On the plus side though, that Optimus Prime test footage is pretty sweet. I have no doubt the SFX will be fantastic.
June 1, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST
Hosed. How the fuck are you going to make the Decepticons cars in the 1st movie? AUTObots = CARS Decapticons = Planes/objects of deception. (Gun, Cassette, tapedeck, etc) Blitzwing was a train/plane. I'm really not digging Megatron being a tank. I wouldn't mind a Galavatron-type mobile cannon...but when he transformed, he didn't look tank like. I guess they had to figure a stupid way to keep the arm cannon... Bumblebee...hmmm...he was never flashy...but the point was that them names went with the characters....bumblebee's sorta a bug! Even though I'll see this...I'm so going to be cringing unless those photos are fake.
June 1, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST
When you write that the photos have been removed "per request of sources" do you mean the people who sent you the photos or did you guys get a friendly phone call or not so friendly cease and desist letter? The reason I ask is because your mini-review is still posted: if it had been Bay or DreamWorks that asked for the photos to be removed I would have thought they'd have said something about the review. Just interested if you have a solid copy of the shooting script or a year-old spec copy.
June 1, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST
by frank cotton
really blend right in anywhere. no, really, they do...
June 1, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST
by Joseph Merrick
The people who sent us the pictures are the same people who asked us to take them down.
June 1, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST
Other sites are reporting that Dreamworks has been coming down hard on the photos -- that pretty much answers my question. But it definitely questions the script that you allude to as they don't appear to have stopped you from posting spoilers from it. So, do you care to share with the group when the version you're holding was written? :-)
June 1, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST
...a follow up question when the answer is being posted at the same time...cheers for the response, mate.
June 1, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST
First of all, if they want it to be successful, they need to market it towards....... guess who? The fucking people who grew up with it and made it popular. As far as I know, the G1 cartoon was the most watched of its timeslot back in the day. The new incarnations sadly don't compare and aren't as popular with the kids in terms of merchandise and ratings. Second, the fact that they aren't pleasing the fans says that this movie is going the very same route that a little movie call Masters of the Universe went. Anyone remember that movie? Completely shit on the source material, it played out like a bad Star Wars ripoff. When I saw it as a kid I was like "Where's the King and Queen?" "Where'd all these Stormtroopers come from?" "Why is the Sorceress played by some old bitch instead of a young hot ass actress?" The only things they did get right were the main characters in which many liberties were taken with, Skeletor and Evil-Lyn rocked, though. The point I'm trying to make is that the movie killed any heat the merchandise had with the fans and the kids. The show died soon thereafter only to be brought back in some horrid half-ass cartoons back in the late 80's and recently. So really, should we just be happy they're making transformers? I get the changes on Megatron, though if they had any real imagination, they could have made him into a big fucking cannon like when Megatron changed into Galvatron in the cartoon. Second, Bumblebee, if you can't use him as a VW, don't use him or alter the design so he at least looks like a small car similar to a VW, or just use Cliffjumper who was a similar character voiced by Casey Kasem. The other gripes are, the Decepticons were mostly planes and military vehicles who didn't have automobiles until the Constructicons who aren't even in the film and later they created the Stunticons later on in the cartoon. The Autobots didn't have planes, so they created the Aerialbots, both of which are missed opportunities. Who here would have loved to have seen a bunch of robots unite into one big robot? Third, the movie is being directed by Michael Bay. I have seen pretty much all of his films, except for bad Boys 2. Armageddon, Pearl Harbor, The Island, The Rock, these movies sucked and sucked hard. The editing on these films is way too fast paced, there's never a slow moment. The fact that Bay uses explosions instead of actual character development says to me that this movie will be all about the battles and spectacle but little else in terms of story. I lost a lot of respect for Steven Spielberg for letting Bay get his hand on the film. Add insult to the fact that they're messing with optimus Prime's design, even character it seem. when people see the film and see Prime and someone other than Pete Cullen voicing, I predict a backlash which will hopefully kill Bay's long overdue career. Truthfully, they should have gotten someone who grew up in the eighties who actually watched the show and has respect for the source material. I have been on Bay's message board. There you will see how the fans react to the changes made and it ain't all that good. Bunch of fans with avatars that have the original voice actors along with who they voiced. Trust me, these guys are all over Bay like a bad habit. Bay himself threw out a challenge to some guys who said he better deliver, something about seeing how big a fucking fan he is of the series. So I got a question Mr. bay: How can you be such a big fucking fan of the series when you're making unnecessary changes and bad design decisions that are pissing off the core audience? Did you ever think that these very people outweigh those who are new to the series? It's like Star Wars in terms of popularity, how can you mess with that? So in the end, should we be happy and shut up? FUCK NO!!! Here's the simple truth, Bumblebee is a VW, Megatron is a gun, Starscream is a fighter jet, Decepticons aren't road vehicles, Autobots can't fly and have no plances. Megatron is voiced by Frank Welker, Optimus Prime is voiced by Peter Cullen. Prime isn't red, white and blue, he's red blue and grey. He doesn't have a face plate, you can't see his mouth. Prime can emote just as well, maybe even better than most actors with no pupils and mouth. Check out his death scene in the cartoon for instance. Most of these rules will be adhered to, otherwise this film WILL wind up like Master of the Universe.
June 1, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST
Was to get a feel for the initial buzz, then pull back after the first round of reaction to make changes? Clever little devils.
June 1, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/m7wd4 Seeing these pictures, prove that Bumblebee works as a camaro. And yes, it IS G1! Go to IMDB and check out the cast list! SPIKE AND SPARKPLUG ARE IN THE FUCKING MOVIE!!!! This movie will be the biggest hit of summer 2007. GuaranDAMNteed.
June 1, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST
First, I get that you want this to be an accurate Transformers film. I grew up on the G1 line, bought all the TF comics in the UK, saw the movie in a cinema three times, bought the soundtrack on vinyl, had way too many of the toys...geek from the first moment I saw them. Would it be cool for the film to have everything we grew up with? Yes. And that film is called Transformers: The Movie. They are not going to remake that. Now, I do think they have to respect aspects of the G1 line: Prime has a faceplate, original voices for Prime and Megatron, matching or close enough vehicles. But, and here's where you may get a tad ticked off, I don't think for one second you can ask the production team to "market it towards...[t]he fucking people who grew up with it and made it popular." If you've been buying every toy since 1984 and all the comic books and watching all the cartoons, good for you. But you're a very, VERY small minority and not a group that's going to help this film recoup it's budget. So, this has to be made for a wider audience. Also, the "people that grew up with it" weren't only people who started with G1. There are a bunch of people who started after the movie, who think PowerMasters and Pretenders and BeastWars were the coolest part about Transformers. You can't dismiss their hopes for the movie and hope to maintain any kind of standing. Who do you make this film for? The widest possible audience. Throw in as many bones as you can for each generation of TF fans and hope that most of it sticks. And, if it doesn't, make sure you've got plenty of robots hitting each other and cool vehicles. As for Michael Bay, sorry, folks, I enjoyed the hell out of Bad Boys 1 &2, The Rock and The Island. Pearl Harbor was pretty awful and I detest Armageddon (nearly had an epileptic fit during that movie) but Bay is batting 600 for me -- that's better than a lot of directors who aren't aiming for Oscars every other movie.
June 1, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST
Hey there! First time poster, blah, blah, blah! Anyways, somebody must have mentioned it already, but I think that a major problem with us fans is that, at the very beginning, when the story about a transformers movie popped up,it was mentioned that it would be based in Generation 1 characters. In my mind, G1 characters are the basic group that escaped cybertron. Also, it did not help that during last year's comic-con at San Diego, they had a covered truck with the movie date on the cloth. The truck seemed to be a replica of G1 Optimus. If they had said that it would be a movie based on the current transformers universe or even just said that it would be new characters not too many fans would be bitching about it (well, we would probably still do it). Regardless of the characters, giant transforming robots kicking each other's ass seems fun to me.
June 1, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST
We all have love for TV show. It was part of our generation. But you just can't expect any director to be able to fully transcribe all of those elements into a blockbuster movie. And no to whoever said it above, they're not supposed to make this movie for us, they're supposed to make a movie for the mass audience, and especially for the younger kids that DIDN'T grow up with the show. That is their future. I'm not a big fan of Michael Bay at all. I'll never forgive him for the disrespectful treatment of Pearl Harbor. But he is the right man for the job. He knows effects and this is an effects heavy action flick. We're not talking about Citizen Kane here, we're talking about adapting Transformers. Pure popcorn all the way. No matter who bitches Bay out, they'll make the movie for mass audiences... and yes, they will and should be as close to the original source material as possible, but there's a line. Good points though.
June 1, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST
-I'll wait for HBO in 2 years freaking shia LaBeouf, robots with eyeballs "for emotion", take any name and slap a new machine on it, one energon cube-c'mon just tweak the original story from twenty years ago. Sounds like and looks like utter shite thus far. I wouldn't pay to see it.
June 1, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST
I am a fan of the G1 transformers. I got nostalgic when they reissued some of the toys and bought some. I also bought a couple of DVDs from the original series. After watching them now that I am older, I noticed a lot of crap in that loses continuty even in the same show. For instance, in the first or second episode all the autobots can fly. On the following episode, the same flying autobots can't get themselves out of the water unless someone throws them a rope. What that hell is that???!!!! So as long as they don't pull any crap like that in the movie and it makes sense in the basic sense, as long as we see the spirit of optimus and megatron in some kind of vehicle that represents them well(I do hope however, that megatron is not a jet) I would probably like it.
June 2, 2006, 12:56 a.m. CST
When you say mass audience, who is that? Certaintly people who didn't watch the show don't know anything about autobots and decepticons so anything they put up on the screen, those people won't know anything about. Therefore, the best bet to get people talking positive is to make it for the fans. Otherwise you get movies like X3 and the above mentioned Masters of the Universe. Seems there's a lot more people looking at this film than xmen.
June 2, 2006, 1 a.m. CST
The fact that Michael Bay's track record hasn't been good. Have any of his movies made recently made their money back? I also think you guys underestimate the potential for fan backlash if this movie sucks. In otherwords, it won't make it's money back if it does indeed suck, robots or no robots.
June 2, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Pelos-locos said it, last year at SDCC they had RED big rig under a tarp and were calling it a teaser for next (this) year's SDCC when they'd have a full scale transforming big rig in that same spot. That's what they were telling people, now we got a white/blue Prime or a firetruck or god knows what.
June 2, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST
Of course it won't make its money back if it sucks. Any movie would be the same. I guess my point was that the mass audience is the focal point for all studio tentpole movies. Fans of the show and toys are important demographics, but if they made it just for us, they WOULDN'T make their money back. It would be a minor success. They need to bring EVERYONE in possible. Especially 12-18 year olds. So they are going to make some changes, maybe not all based on that, but moreso creative and production related concerns.
June 2, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST
Like I said regarding Bumblebee, a VW Bug is too Herby for them maybe. Or maybe they just wanted the chance to make Bumblebee a more ampted up character. It would be too comical to have a VW kicking some ass. No different than having Sound Wave in the movie as a decepticon that transforms into a tape player. Sound Wave is one of the all time coolest characters but that just wouldn't work nowadays. It would be so dated. So they have to make changes. I LOVE Soundwave, but his transformation from G1 just wouldn't work, so you can't get too bent out of shape over some variances. Just imagine the bitching we'll here when they do a G.I. Joe movie:)
June 2, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST
the guys who sent you the pics asked you to take them down? what the fuck? seriously, what a bunch of douchebags. fuck them. fuck them up their stupid asses
June 2, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Why in hell shouldn't they make it for us? As close to the original as possible? I will never understand why you would take a winning formula and remix it completely. Is everyone enjoying the taste of their new formula Coca-Cola? Thought not. There are some sensible changes that should be made, a la Soundwave is a small object and therefore a small robot, I dig that. However, the core of the story and characters should have stayed as true to G1 as possible. This movie is critic proof, it will do huge numbers, and there is no reason other than vanity for these assholes to change the original formula into something barely recognizable. This isn't an art film where we need the artist/director's signature vision, this is a gigantical popcorn flick that can only be better by sticking to the source material. Do we want Michael Bay to take beloved characters and make a Batman & Robin or Catwoman out of them? Directors need to take their "artistic vision" and shove it up their asses on some projects, and this is one of those times.
June 2, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST
You wrote: "Is everyone enjoying the taste of their new formula Coca-Cola?" Well, we ARE drinking a new version of Coca-Cola. The original Coke was made with sugar, then they brought out New Coke which made people want the original formula again. But they didn't go back to original Coca-Cola, they started making Coca-Cola Classic which is made with corn syrup instead of sugar. New Coke was just a diversion to keep the public from knowing that they were switching to corn syrup which is cheaper than sugar. You can still get ORIGINAL Coca-Cola (not Coca-Cola Classic) in Jewish delis because Orthodox Jews practicing Passover can't have corn. So no corn syrup! To get back on topic though, if Michael Bay can shit all over the memory of Pearl Harbor with a horrible movie, then us geeks shouldn't be surprised he is shitting all over a toy line/ cartoon from the 80's.
June 2, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST
Those pictures of cars not doing anything, and helicoptors way off in the distance just spoiled too much of the films plot. Hardcore fans can bitch all they want, this film is going to make money, even if it completely sucks. They will market it well, and all the car company tie-ins will probably mean it will be close to profitable before the first ticket is even sold, and the big first weekend will pay for the rest and make a profit for them.
June 2, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST
I don't care if the movie sucks..I'll see it due to nostalgia alone. fuck I don't care if it gets vandalized from the original Transformer concepts. Hate to break it to you, but Transformers was never a masterpiece to begin with, just a cartoon a lot of us grew up on...so quit putting it on a pedestal. This will be a fun little popcorn flick and that is all..quit looking for more than what it is.
June 2, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST
Fanboys get pissed because fucking toolbags like Bay like to change things JUST TO ADD THEIR OWN SHITTY STAMP TO THE MATERIAL. How the fuck hard is it to just stick to the source? BumbleBee's a fucking VW Bug, so stick to it motherfuckers. It's not like we're asking for something huge. Stick to the fucking source. It's watery limp little bitches who say "at least we're getting a Transformers movie" who are responsible for all the shit in Hollywood. "See, the majority of the fans will happily lap up our shit, let's make Optimus Prime a transforming cake!!!" "Ohhh let's have the Predators drive Drift Racing Rice Rockets, YEAH!!!" Fucking dick lickers, get onboard or get the fuck off.
June 2, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST
by Screaming Brain
I'm not sure if it's a fake like the Optimus prime was even though i must say it was very well done, quality is low but the actual transformation is very cool. check this out http://tinyurl.com/naa29
June 2, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST
Could have been some kind of acid test for the moviemakers to gauge fanboy response (because they always care so much about what they think). Coulda just been some possessive ahole with the production who found out about the leak and demanded the source have them taken down. Either way, I don't think I can objectively go to see this movie now that I have seen pics of a few automobiles/military vehicles with a shiney Decepticon applique. The whole story and look of the movie has been ruined for me. RUINED. This spoils everything. I demand my money back before it's even spent, Mr. Bay. If I even spend it on this at all! Which these pics did not incline, nor discourage, me from doing because they could hardly be less boring. But it is interesting to "confirm" that Bumbledork won't be a VW bug (which aches, as a TF: G1 fan, but is probably for the best.)
June 2, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST
You're wrong. The name Bumblebee and the look of the robot (not to mention Cliffjumper) are trademarked by both Takara and Hasbro. But the VW Bug that they both transform into is trademarked by Volkswagen. Takara and Hasbro both have to be licensed by VW to use the vehicle's image. Since VW pulled the license and refuses to renew it, they can keep the look and names of the robots, but not the cars they transform into. It's why they haven't been able to release Bumblebee and Cliffjumper in the G1 Commerative Edition Series reissues of the past few years. And it looks like Takara has taken it upon themselves for their "Classics" line to create - as choonie's pic showed - a vehicle version of Bumblebee that evokes the VW but isn't the same.
June 2, 2006, 4:46 p.m. CST
They did it with Watchmen. Shelve Transformers..........you just have not got it right. Leave it...and move onto something else.
June 2, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST
Good thing, too, they shelved Watchmen. There's absolutely no way to get that right adapting it to the silver screen. The only way to adapt it would be to cut out alot of its nuances and subplots, which would be a crying shame and a piss poor representation of the true expereince one gets from reading it. Viva la Rorshach!
June 2, 2006, 4:50 p.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 5:17 p.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 5:20 p.m. CST
More popular than Spiderman and Superman.
June 2, 2006, 5:22 p.m. CST
It has been ruined...........
June 2, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST
A new Bumblebee figure based on the original was released by takara a year or so ago in a mini-bots set that included all of the popular G1 mini-bot Autobots. And yes he was still a VW bug just like he's supposed to be. I think Cliffjumper might have been in it to but i'm not sure. Anyway, From what i've read/been told Hasbro or Takara do not need Volkswagen's permission to make BB resemble a VW Bug. They just need their permission to actually use the car logo and etc.,. The real reason Bumblebee has not been released in the reissues here in the states is because Hasbro lost the rights to the name "Bumblebee" and had not been able to get it back until just recently for the new movie. I think they might have the same problem with the name "Cliffjumper" as well. Thats also why you've never seen any other transformers in these newer series toys with the name Bumblebee. Because they couldn't use the name again until just recently. This new Bumblebee figure from the Classics line thats coming out is the first TF toy since the original G1 line to use that name. And btw this new "Classics" line is by Hasbro not Takara. There is a difference between the two. Takara releases products only in japan where they have different names for the characters there so this name thing hasn't been a problem for them. Just for Hasbro here in the states. And just another lil fact is that if they weren't going to be able to acquire the name "Bumblebee" again to use in the new movie they're making then they were going to have the character be named "Hot Shot" instead. Which I think kind of explains why BB is now a camaro in the movie. That's basically the type of car Hot Shot's character is supposed to be. Apparently someone liked it better so they kinda merged the two together which resulted in Bumblebee camaro thing. Other TF names I know that Hasbro has lost the rights to over the years are Shockwave,Cliffjumper and Hot Rod. Hot Rod's always called either just Rodimus or Rodimus major in toy form now.I know they're more names but thats all i'm coming up with at the moment.
June 2, 2006, 5:35 p.m. CST
Even if he is a tank now. This who movie is a "bonecrusher." they should just stop now before it has a chance to REALLY suck.
June 2, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 5:49 p.m. CST
Ok, to start from the top, I guess Bumblebee doesn't worry me THAT much honestly, I would've loved to have seen him as a Bug, but in the end, I guess he's not that drastic a change. It's not something that will forever in a day change the original cartoons. They're still there. As for 'sam', the main character, I'm hoping to hell he's 'Sam 'Spike' Witwicky' or something, I don't see the need to change the main character from Spike to someone else, that would be plain foolish. I'm glad however, to hear both Witwickys are in it. Vortex is an interesting one, as is Brawl. Brawl was originally the tank combaticon, and Vortex was the helicopter Combaticon. I can accept a policecar decepticon, for roadchase purposes, thats cool, but I just wonder how many other Combaticons will make it into the movie? I know we wont see Bruticus, but hey it'd be nice. I think the one thats thrown me for a major loop, is Devestator as a tank. What the hell? Devestators main appeal for people wasn't just that he was a big ass robot who stomped on littler ones, it was that he was a big ass robot formed by five other ones!!! This may sound trivial to others who didn't get into the show, but combining robots in the original cartoon was a MAJOR event!!! At the end of the day, I'm disgusted with the idea of Megatron being a jet. Megatron should be a tank if they don't wish to use him as a gun/cannon. His Tank form in one of the cartoons worked damn well and he looked menacing as hell. Starscreams the jet goddamnit. Let's just hope Skorpinok is still a Scorpion and not a combivan or something...
June 2, 2006, 6:55 p.m. CST
June 2, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST
First of all, those that wrote, "Who cares about Transformers," fuck off. This TB is not for you. There may be a few other TB links here for you to click on. Second, those that wrote, "Who cares? I want to see robots beat the snot out of each other," you're kinda welcome to watch the TB, but kindly back the fuck off from the debate. You add absolutely nothing to the discussion. With this out of the way, I hope the remainder of us are on the same page. And by 'remainder' I mean those not defined by the aforementioned two groups, be you fanboy or not. Clearly the diversion in Bumblebee from source material appears to be the major gripe in this TB. Excluding the criticisms of the two aforementioned groups I defined, I haven't read much from the camp in this TB that favors this change other than the character of Bumblebee having been a plot device at best or useless character at worst. If you feel that way (and, again, you're not in one of the two aforementioned groups), then it's a crying shame that you never understood the function of this character in the Transformer mythos. You have to ask yourselves... Who was Bumblebee? What exactly did he bring to the table? Yes, he was diminutive. Yes, he was underpowered. Yes, he couldn't hold his own against hardly any of the Decepticons. And for all these reasons, he was the human tie to the Transformer world. We humans could easily identify with him. That he was the first Transformer discovered by humankind underscores everything I just wrote. He was the one Autobot that helped *humanized* the rest. Why else would both comic book and cartoon storytellers showcase such a "useless Autobot soldier" as one of the several primary G1 characters in the first place? Now, consider also that the form each Transformer takes also acts as a gauge to their personality. Is not anything that I just described somewhat stripped or at least altered to a major extent? Consider the disposition of the Hot Rod character from the Transformers Movie. Also consider that this is being adapted by Michael Bay. Despite that, I honestly consider Bay numbered within the short list of directors that could actually do this series some justice -- ***Within tight confinement of a script that doesn't vary too far from the successful, established G1 canon***. If you took nothing from this post, please at least scroll back up and read a post by Mace13 dated May 31st, 2006 08:51:27 PM CST. It sould chill you to the core.
June 2, 2006, 7:43 p.m. CST
Do 7-year old boys even know who the Care Bears are? Would you mind listing what you believe to be 'worthwhile projects'? Isn't there a Marvel related TB you should be posting in right now?
June 2, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST
Seriously, if the changes made are too much for any one fan to identify with, this movie WILL fail. Simple truth. Sure it's a popcorn movie but like someone pointed out, they need to stay true to the source. Casual moviegoers aren't even familiar with the source. All they want to see is big robots changing into shit and fighting, the fact they don't know the history won't make a difference to them but to us it will. So far this thing is a train wreck and is failing more with the changes than pleasing those following the production
June 2, 2006, 9:44 p.m. CST
But Singer's X-Men gives me pause. Singer never "got" the characters. That alone is the ultimate reason why he changed their inner beings for the sole reason to tell the stories he wanted to tell. Storytelling 101 -- make the story fit the character, DO NOT make the character fit the story. Singer's success redefined that logic. To him -- make the characters fit a reasonably identifyable mold, and the sheep (read: fanboy base) will follow. Ratner built upon Singer's canon. He certainly did not detract from it. Yet the "fanboys" howl. Are they truly fanboys? Reason 765134^254 why Superman will (ultimately) fail to resonate, if nothing else. All this said, Bay need only identify with the general movie-going populace. Sure, you and I desire a movie adaptation to be as bankable as the source material surely is. But we "purists" are few and far between. How many "fanboys" will Bay win over in his adaptation as Singer won over in his adaptation? Considering the love there is for X1, X2, Blade 1, and Blade 2 and the Spider-Man films, versus the vitriol for the utterly faithful FF, DD (director cut), and Hulk films, well, frankly I have no "fanboy" hope for how this unleavened Bay vehicle will eventually turn out.
June 3, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST
What we have here, I guess, is the initial backlash over the fact it's not 100 percent accurate to the source material. The thing is, and whoever said it was quite right, the INITIAL audience for this movie is the late 20s-Early 30s who grew up on Gen 1 Transformers... that is, right now. Next year when we get the teasers and the trailers and the merchandising, I GUARANTEE they will aim the movie at kids of all ages and the young adults. Im lining up to see this movie day one it comes out, I can't wait to see how it's handled and I sure as hell cannot wait to see Optimus transform and kick some ass. The guy who said Bumblebee was the tie to the humans world is quite correct too, however, it's not the fact he was just a Beetle that did it, it was the fact he was the best friend of the human who 'owned' him, he was weak, yes, he was underpowered, yes, but that can be applied effectively to any type of car transforming into a robot. It's not THAT big of a deal really unless they make Bumblebee some ass kicking powerhouse... then they'd miss the point completely. But I still am NERVOUS about Megatron the jet... lol
June 3, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST
I also think people are expecting this to be an instant hit just because of the transforming robots. But the fact of the matter is people are jaded when it comes to FX work nowadays. Look at all the bitching when it comes to Superman, which is being done by almight Brian Singer. It will be interesting to see how that movie plays out.
June 3, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST
June 3, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST
I understand what people are saying... with the contrast of wanting the underdog to... LOOK like an underdog. I never saw the VW Beetle version on television. In fact, I don't recall having EVER seen a single episode. But I appreciate American made products. (Why should we depend SO MUCH on the rest of the world to make things for us?) I appreciate the American muscle flexed in those pics (It's about time that American car designers use some original thought, too.) But I would have been okay with the "Bumblebee" being a small GM car (or other American small car), as much as I appreciate the new retro-modern design of the Camaro. Someone else posted that he would've liked the Bumblebee to be a P.T. Cruiser, which would've been interesting (and fine with me). Then there's that smallest Cheverolet, whatever the name of it is, where the tall basketball players get out of it in the television commercial. That could've been interesting, I would think. But anyway, I became especially interested in this after having seen that test footage. That looked cool. And I feel myself turning into a teenage boy. Good luck to you, Michael Bay.
June 4, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST
You can type words, but it's apparent that you can't use them to convey an idea. There were no such details in your other post to suggest that you meant movies based on 25-year-old toys are fodder for failure. You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, merchandising is what turned a major profit for the 2003 HULK movie, *toy* merchandising. Now, adapt a property that is much more condusive to merchandising -- strike that, a proven lucrative source of merchandising in its own right -- and your whole counterpoint goes kablooey. Now, I'd asked you to provide examples of what other projects you deem worthwhile, but it appears you are content to marinade in your own platitudes with talk of 'Major Matt Mason', if the line of toys even exists. Never heard of it. Were I a betting man, I'd hedge a sizable wager on the Transformers enjoying significantly greater name recognition. If you deem the Major to be a more 'worthwhile project', perhaps your grasp on what is marketable is suspect at best. But thanks for playing! Please try again.
June 4, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST
As I understand it, Michael Bay is a director that few here on AICN respect. Personally, I've seen enough of his work to believe him to be on the short list of directors that can properly adapt this property in the most visually exciting way. However, his balls are bigger than his brains. Perhaps this is a minor detail. However, knowing Bay, it's a step that takes Bumblebee in the direction of becoming some ass kicking powerhouse. Now, perhaps that part of his arc. I can dig that, I suppose, as a reflection on Sam/Spike maturing himself. It's the only way I can see it working, though. Ultimately, there is still the Bay factor.
June 4, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST
Honestly...if I went to see this movie, and the original voice actors were voicing the characters...I don't think I'd be able to take it seriously. My brain just wouldn't accept those voices coming out of photo-realistic Transformers. :-/ I know it's not the popular opinion...but I'd really like to see a fresher take on the old source material, without straying too far from the original storyline. We'll see what we get, I suppose.
June 5, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST
There are so many posters bitching about how this movie will be a 2 hr. toy commercial and I can see why (Hey, I don't mind new TF toys). I Hope that some of these posters (or should I say "posers") are not Star Wars fans, the most successful toy commercial ever. In case you did not know, Saint George Lucas made most of his money from the toys he has sold, rather than the movies. So using movies as toy commercials is not new, given that practically every major movie franchise has ended up at a Toys R Us (Star Wars, Batman, ET, anything animated by Disney, etc). PS. I can't believe how long this MB has gotten.
June 5, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST
SInce I'll never be first.
June 5, 2006, 3:35 p.m. CST
Forget your ridiculopus Republican/Democrat/Libertarian biases next time: Gaetti/Brunansky for the Prez/Vice-Prez ticket in '08!
June 5, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST
is due solely to their desire to take the money from the pockets of everyone on this Talkback (me included, I admit it.) Transformers was never meant for a live action medium. If anyone is so desperate to see this cartoon adapted to live-action for a major theatrical release, then you're going to have to accept the fact that there will be changes. Especially when it's 20 years after it was originally created. If you love TF so much and really want to recapture the feelings you have for it, go watch the original shows on DVD. Or even watch them on YouTube, if you just need a quick fix at the office. But for the love of Ironhide, please stop crying and fighting about the way things are being adapted from the cartoon format into the live action format. If you want a live-action movie, this is what you're going to get. The studios don't care about it as much as you do. They only care about your money, which is the only reason why they ever greenlit a project like this- to CAPITALIZE on your nostalgia.
June 5, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST
Please. I understood your bullshit about 'Major Matt Mason' which is why I used quotes. For all your talk of your superior grasp on the English language, I'd presumed that included punctuation. Here's a hint -- it would have been way wittier had you alluded to something obscure that actually was real, like the Big Jim toy line that Mattel pitted against Hasbro's GI Joe line. It would have believably made your point while underscoring your true sentiment. The first lesson's free, grasshopper. Look, it's clear you have some form of agenda here, given your propensity to revisit TBs that have long since scrolled off the main page. Why so bitter? Can't raise a decent sum on eBay for your G1 figures? Wait until autumn 2007 and I'm sure you'll do well enough.
June 5, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST
I don't dispute what you've written in your TB at all. You're likely 100% correct. But as a fanboy, I don't have to like it. If they want to do whatever they want to do, fine! Then don't use the Bumble Bee character name. Rename the character. Fanboys wouldn't have nearly as much heartburn, and others ignorant to the canon obviously would remain none the wiser. But to distort a known icon in such fashion can't be interpreted any other way than a smack across the face. This only continues if the character somehow resonates with those ignorant to G1 canon, as fanboys will have to deal with their enthusiastic interpretation of the film version of the character.
June 22, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST