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X-MEN: THE LAST STAND - Now it is your turn - Talkbackers React
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Hey folks, Harry here... All of us editors here at AICN have chimed in with our opinions. Moriarty seemed to really like it, while Quint and I really didn't. Where do you stand? How did you feel as the last frame ended? How does this conclude the X-MEN trilogy? Best? Worst? Somewhere in the middle? Ultimately what we editors feel means little or nothing as it is just our opinion, our take on a film meant for a wider, more varied audience. Namely - for all of you. Please feel free to vent, praise, scream and hail the film as you will. You spent your Memorial Day Weekend money on this instead of a few more gallons of gas for your belching behemoth of a vehicle. Tell the studio, tell us, tell everyone what you thought of the conclusion of this beloved geek trilogy...
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Just got home from watching it. Gonna give it a night's sleep before I think too hard on it.
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I liked X3, but I wish I could have left the theater loving the film. It's almost worse than it sucking hard. Because I didn't want a good X-men movie... that boat sailed with the first one. The second one was a great X-men movie, and I wanted this one to be a great MOVIE. So merely good is a real let down for me.
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The first issue of X-men I ever saw was the cover of Wolverine vs. Sabertooth where wolvie is standng ther looking all badass and shitkicked. My older brother bought it at a gas station when we were kids and I still have the comic. He went to a sneek preview the other night and said if you geek out over continuity you will hate it but if you want to have fun and see X-men on-screen again you will be happy. sounds about what I expected. but please give me an R-rated wolverine movie. All I need is claws and 500 dudes in ninja costumes to get killed and I'll be happy.
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Add me to Vern's list of people who crapped on it, but will go see it three times and buy the dvd. No film, I've seen, (comic book/sci-fi wise) has ever garnered so many emotions. It started out decent, Marsden putting in a respectable scene. (I still wish we'd got Singers double shot of X3&4, dammit, this IS Scott and Jeans story.) When he gets to the lake, that shit is beautiful, I even had to hold back a tear when "dickhead" began to go bye-bye. Where the movie went south, is how everyone just forgets that he was missing. I was so put off by this, I barely could follow Xavier's explanation of the "Phoenix". Sure they reveal he's dead, but there's no reactions. If this movie needed some scenes, it's reactions of Scott and Chucks deaths. When Charles died, I wasn't as pissed, because it was (admittedly) pretty cool. I did let out a boo though. The only one in the whole theater, so that tells ya how popular he was. And the thing about him "coming back" after the credits, was really given away with that bit about the brain dead guy at Muir Island. (Oh yeah, whoever said, we get to see Muir Island in this film, is a retard. A hospital bed. OOOOOOH!!! Big deal.) I can live with that. It's obvious that a new actor will take over for Xavier in the New Mutants flick or whatever. And by using Stewart's voice was just to let you know who it was. After the deaths like I said before, there's next to no real grieving, just FUCKING ICE SKATING!!! (Kitty is a cutie though.) Some nice interactions between Bobby and Pyro over the course of the film, but after that Sparrowhawk debacle, I'm not a Ashmore fan. Still, it was nice seeing him ice up. Colossus probably got more of a shaft than Cyclops. Of course he's just eye candy in these flicks, but dang, one line. *sigh* ( IF THERE EVER IS A REBOOT X-MEN SERIES, PLEASE LET PETE HAVE A SIZEABLE ROLE IN IT, THE CHARACTER, AND THE TRAGEDIES HE WENT THROUGH ARE AMAZING. Just leave out the bit of him curing the Legacy Virus, that was kinda lame. Even lamer? Colossus II.) While the film might lack the human elements of X2, this is a pure popcorn flick. And a good one at that. Yes, this is coming from a old-school fan of the comics. Yes, this is coming from someone who crapped all over 24 for being...well...crap this season. And yes, this is coming from someone that has only enjoyed a handful of films over the last few years. I HAD A HELL OF A TIME WITH THIS THING. Yes, there was a few bad CG shots. Yes, there was some lame "wire-fu". Yes, day turned into night within a split second on the bridge. Yes, Angel mysteriously flew cross country in next to no time to save his dad. (He wasn't in the jet, as far as we know. So either he can fly faster than 150mph which it's been said he can do, or he was holding onto the Blackbird from the outside.) All of those are minor gripes. Oh yeah, the title score fuckin blew compared to X2's. But, after getting over the non-reactions to the deaths of the most important two characters, I had a ball, the rest of the film was everything a X-men film should have been. (Well, given it's current state, it's poor mismanagement, the departure of Singer, and the bastardization of the Phoenix story.) Wait...did I just say...I got over it? OMG, OMFG, I'M TALKING LIKE YOU PEOPLE NOW!!! Did someone shoot me with a geek cure dart? *sigh* This film is not the disaster it has been made out to be. Nor is it a perfect comic movie. But it sure is ten times better than that gawd awful X1 and virtually every other MARVEL film outside of X2. This IS the crown jewel property of Marvel, not Spider-man. Hopefully the spin-offs, especially Magneto will be good, and *gasp* stick a little closer to the material. And one more thing, to all of you Ratner haters, who keep blaming him for this being "bad", it's not his fault, never was, and never will be. I'm not saying I like his previous work, and to be honest, the guy comes off as a prick sometimes, but he nailed this one. FUCKING NAILED IT! And to all of you Superman Returns/Singer haters, you guys can suck it, the new trailer before X3 WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!! Of course that doesn't mean the film will end up being good, but I got my hopes up for this one. Yeah, you heard me. MR.SMALLVILLE, is eagerly anticipating Superman Returns. In closing regarding X3, I can see where you may dislike it, I know, I was there, but if you just let go, it can be very extremely funny, action packed flick for X-fans. One day (hopefully) one of us fanboys will take the reigns of this property and do something extraordinary with it, or at least give it a Batman: Dead End treatment, but until then. THANK YOU ROTHMAN. (Thank you for not totally fucking us over.) R.I.P. CYCLOPS *sniff*
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The many many reviews that tout how broken and ambivalent the film feels coupled with my growing resentment of the way this property was treated ensures I'll never watch "X-Men: The Last Stand". Call me a geek...whatever you like. I stand by my decision.
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The curtain went down at the end of the credits right as the final scene started. All the people who had waited were screaming and freaking out. Got out before it got nasty.
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It was awful. I haven't been this angry leaving the theatre since Matrix Revolutions. What an uninspired piece of crap.
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I was underwhelmed for pretty much all the reasons Quint, Harry and Vern didn't like it. But there was something else I haven't chime in on - admittedly I haven't read all of the talkback's - but someone tell me if im wrong about this. In the first X-Men movie; Magneto's plan was basically to use Rogue to turn Homosapiens into Mutants yes? Why then, was he so up in arms when Worthington developed the cure to do basically THE EXACT SAME THING IN REVERSE?
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Vern liked, if not loved it. Massawyrm is who you were thinking of.
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I liked it but didn't love it. It got it's mutants right - some very brief apperances. Some awesome moments but a fair few missed moments as well. This could have easily done with an extra 20-30 minutes to let some scenes breath and build up properly. Dialogue was alright - some of it was camp. If this is indeed the last one of the trilogy i would have wanted to see cyclops death on screen. dark phoenix storyline needed to be a little more active. Overall liked it as an x-men movie but it won't stand out as a great film.
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I thought after I saw this thing last night that I would never again come to this site. you'd hurt me that much. you see, i almost didn't see this film - all on the work of this site. But the thing is, I just can't understand how you can sit back and call yourself a movie loving/going geek. How could you watch and just not go apeshit over every frame? I saw you complain about shit that I thought was just plain and pure movie magic. I recall a lot of anger about the change from day to night as the golden gate sequence played out. Did no one notice the sun was setting and on the horizon? Why does no one have isses with the fact that no one was effected by the bridge crashing down so hard? That was the only issue I had with that magnificent scene. To be honest, I'm actually a little scared that Singer and Ratner swapped over film franchises. I prefer Ratners take on the Xmen. He put so much energy into this film I was literally smiling and shaking my head at the shock of how good this flick was playing out. The music was great too! I knew a couple spoliers, but every twist and turn surprised and shocked me! And there was absoluetly no disapointment from the audiance, nor my f(r)iends. In fact, while i stayed especially for the extra 'rumoured' scene at the end, others in the cinema were just there raving about what they had just seen - and when that last clip played and the whole half theater paused for it..... they clapped and cheered. That's rare, my friend. As I walked out and drove home all I could think about was you, Harry. You sad, pathetic man. I almost didn't see this film because of you. I would have missed one of the finest movie going experiances of my adult life.... Because for 2 hours last night, I was a young teenage movie lover again. Change your tune Harry, if a film is good, then be responcible and recommend it. If a film is crap only because your a bitch then I'm sorry, but I have to give this site a miss in future. This is supposed to be "aint it cool news" where magneto lifting a car and crushing it before flinging it away IS cool. A film that has the golden gate bridge lifted accross the harbour and dropped on the Rock (Photographically real) and during an exciting moment of a truely cinematic masterpiece, then this sight should be raving about it. But it's not. Do you realise that you sound like the god damn Ringbearer bitching about the colour of shadow during King Kong? I've lost all respect for you big guy. I can't believe a damn thing this site puts up unless it's from Vern or Latouro. I'm going to get drowned out by all the people who agree with you, but to anyone who is still unsure of whether or not to see this film and is trying to decide based on these talkbacks.... do yourself a favour. It's an Xman adventure film.... and it's fucking good fun to watch. I'm going back again. I'm also taking a bunch of kids. and after that, i might even go and see it again, just because i love big special effect movies, and after the trash they tried to pass off as X2 I'm extremely satisfied with what they've churned out this time. Welcome back hollywood. I've missed you. Aint it cool.... up yours.
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as a superhero movie if i knew nothing about the characters except what was in the other 2 movies then it was awesome... as an X-Men movie it completely sucked ass.... i enjoyed the movie experience as a movie...but i did not enjoy it as an X-men story at all... does that make sense to anyone except for me....
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My thoughts.
The movie was dissappointing. The killing fo Scott Summers was unbelievably ill-judged. Cyclopse is the man, the moral centre of that group, and the killing of him felt like a cheap parlour trick: "Screw it, he didn't get much to do in the last movies so he can go". He deserved better
I blame Halle Berry. She finally got the bigger the bigger role she craved and to get it the writers killed Scott to elevate her position to leader.
Oh and killing Xavier. The scene itself was well constructed and appropriately emotional, (unlike Summers') but having killed Cyclopse they then killed the only other man with ideals to match. Now Wolverine - who works best as the anti-thesis to the boy scouts, is left holding the baby. He has no place to go now, and the once rebelious force of nature is left looking rather square.
After the prof died I was through caring who would be next. The shock of a death was completely lost on me. We weren't half way through and the writers were just popping off hugely important characters.
Oh, and Xavier felt off character to me. The way he said "I don't have to explain myself, least of all to you" felt too childish and defensive for the prof to me. But maybe that's me.
Phoenix isn't really in this movie. Some zombie looking wench is in it and she is a good villain and well played by Famke Jansen. But at the end of X2 I was so excited to see the Phoenix story and I was pissed we never got it. Not really.
Fast ball special. Good to see it in there but didn't actually look that cool.
Mckellen owned as usual. Best line in the film: "Charles Xavier has done more for mutants than you will ever know". The look on Erik's face as Charles died was worth the admission price alone.
Angel was fun to see but served virtually no real purpose to the story. He could have been cut without incident. The Rogue stuff was interesting but unexplored. Kitty Pryde seemed well cast and I would have liked to have seen more of her. Juggernaught was a waste of time. Bad lines, bad actor, horrible muscle suit. There are muscular big guys out there, sh*t even wrestlers could have delivered the lines with more conviction. Time for Vinnie to go back into football.
Ratner is a good director. The bridge moving was very exciting and the fights pretty well handled. He got good performances from his actors (though they can probably play these parts in their sleep) and these faults with the flick are not his fault. He came on so late that all he could do was shoot the movie as written well as possible and make it coherent. He did that.
No, the problems with this movie start and end with the script. In the end, the movie didn't really breathe. I watched X2 the night before I saw X3 and there are so many smaller moments that make up the film. Storm and Kurt talking in the plane;
Girls flirt with the bad boy Logan, they don't take him home.
You were an animal then and you're an animal now.
What's your realname John?
You could pick two dozen more.
Superman 3 and Batman Forever marked a tonal shift from the first movies of those franchises which marked the eventual demise of both. That hasn't happened here. The movie does retain some integrity within the series, but the choices made are poor and there are too many characters crammed into to short a running time. In the end it feels rushed and, worst of all, like a great opportunity was missed.
If you had no real love for X-Men - be it the comics, animated series, or movies - then this is a satisfying, polished summer blockbuster that easily out does what Bruckheimer likes to put out. But this film could and should have been so much more than this. -
The movie had a ton of realllly cool scenes. Stuff the older movies could have used. But, it was all wrapped in a really boring, quick plot. And Scott's death was handled badly to the point of anger on my part. Xavier's wasn't too bad. His 'goodbye' was perfect. I didn't see this 'last scene' because we left the theater, so I'm assuming we see something that lets us know Xavier is coming back? Oh well. ******* Did anyone else notice the shot from X1 that was reused in X2 being reused again? The one of Wolvie leaving on a motorcycle, that pans to the shot of the 'Xavier School' sign. What a fantastic in-joke. I hope they keep using it.
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The good (that I can remember): Warren cutting his wings off at the beginning of the film, Xavier and Magneto discovering Jean Grey, flaying the skin off Xavier and trashing her house, Hank McCoy (felt like he'd been there all along due to Kelsey Grammar's spot-on performance - 'oh my stars and garters'!), everything with McKellan, a naked Raven Darkholme, all of Pyro's scenes, Bobby Drake 'icing up' finally, the bridge sequence, the final battle, Moira MacTaggart (whither Peter Corbeau?), Ellen Page as Kitty - a really assured performance, Famke Janssen looking deeply, deeply fuckable, the two great endings with Magneto and a reconstituted Xavier. The Bad: the wasting of several great characters, Callisto, Cyclops (always miscast and thrown away at the beginning of the film needlessly - really shoddy), appearence of a Sentinel which will surely fuck up later continuity?, Colossus, a strangely blank Angel etc, Storm was the usual wet blanket - Halle Berry is and always has been a dreadful actress who and, yes, miscast from day one - next, the dreary, inevitable 'rise of Wolverine' to being a leader of men - when he cuts loose in this you really don't care, in fact the lack of any really emotional moments in the film - remember the special ops going to tag the kids? Jason probing/raping Xavier's mind? Pyro joing the Brotherhood? All 'beats' that had a resonance and a point - this felt like in part 'the X-Men's greatest hits' remixed and compressed into a 'please all' storyline, Vinnie Jones - simply ridiculous, as predicted, and actually breaks up the film's flow whenever he's on screen - embarrasingly bad and again the reduction and waste of a potentially great character - 'keeps my face pretty'?!??? Jeez?!?, the slush surrounding Xavier's 'death' (again throwaway and oddly unmoving,) and the lack of development and emotional evoloution of Dark Pheonix I didn't want this set in the Blue area of the moon or anything but think about how much dramatic fun you could have had with this, wasted, wasted, wasted. For me a 6 or 7 out of ten, this could have been a 9. Singer back for X-Men 4...days of futurepast and a reboot possibly?
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Laughed when Vinnie Jones opened his mouth. Huge applause for "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" Xavier was just like the Sphinx in one part: "you must control your powers or they will control you." Beast and Wolverine were good, a lot of clunkers in the screenplay though. The least of the 3, not an awful film, just some cool setpieces strung together.
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It is ridiculously bad. A lot of crappy cg, wasteful deaths for no reason, characters that come in and out for no reason, jokes that are cheesy and not funny, x-men mythos done horribly wrong...The Dark Pheonix is her split personality HEEEYOOOOOOO!!! LAME!!
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...I refuse to pay for it. It doesn't deserve my money. If I'm evil because I will pirate a movie then so be it. If the studio didn't make thier move I wouldn't be forced to make mine.
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this movie gets worse every second. they should not have even bothered making the movie. hopefully this will kill the franchise so they can bring it back in five years, maybe then they won't fuck it up.
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that Harry and his posse are a bit out of touch from time to time. If you cannot notice the subtle touches to the first movie, and how this film pretty much picked up from the last film. All your complaints are nothing more than the close-minded rants of people set in their ways. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that opinion. The only problem comes about, when you ask us to take your response seriously. It's too close-minded to not ask; "WHAT THE HELL, MAN?" This is a quality film in a quality franchise. Anything else, well, you are complaining out of a sense of entitlemnt to have your HOPES AND DREAMS FULFILLED, that I have no how to respond to your reviews, rants, or ramblings. Nice to see Kitty Pryde on the big screen. Wolverine has been that guy for a while. Nice to see Hank as well. The cure is never a cure, and you should stay through the credits.
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My girlfriend wanted to see the rest of the film, but I absolutely could not ***SPOILER ALERT*** tolerate Xavier's death after the ridiculous expository "explaining" Jean's condition. The X-material was handled so poorly in this film, that I could not believe it was part of the same trilogy. Professor X IS the X-Men; it's like trying to take Jesus out of the bible. THE ONLY WAY I could've MAYBE tolerated his death was if it spurred Magneto into a hella pissed off rage at his dear friend's death, which subsequently united all of mutantdom and mankind into taking on Phoenix. That probably could've been badass. But hells no, we get this piece of crap that offers no apologies or grace at major characters' deaths, huge nullifications of others (forget any chance of Gambit and Rogue in the future of this franchise) thus vastly perverting this vision of the X-Men into something nigh unrecognizable. Jesus, the cast must realize what this does to the fanbase, and they must not care. If this isn't the last film, I doubt I'll care about any future X endeavors on the big screen. It's too far gone and too far departed from the magnificence of X2.
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5 years? C'mon, we won't get a reboot, for at least, 12-15 years. We'll have to wait even longer if the spinoffs are successful. I want it to happen too. I'm just not holding my breath.
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Be strong, brother - I wish I was with you on the unviewed end. I wouldn't be this angry or (now) numb.
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I sat next to one of you cunts tonight who did nothing but whine about how they didn't do the comics justice...Boo hoo, the comics, why can't they follow the comics!!? Because you fuckin jizzpuddle, ITS A GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKING MOVIE!! A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FORM OF MEDIA!! You want the comics? Pick up the comics you fuckin jagoffs! X3 was pretty awesome for what they managed in 104 minutes.
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Because I failed to mention it before, Beast was one of the best things about this film. I dare say, Kelsey's performance captures the essence of any X-character that had screen time in these films. Yes, even better than Stewart and McKellan. This coming from someone that avoided Frasier with a passion. Sure his fur looked like a monkey suit, but I can overlook that. Nice to see that Hank was the one that took down Mags. If only him and Zhaan could go off and make a brood of wonderfully acted, blue skinned characters, the world would be a better place.
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i think the movie hit all the highlights of a longer movie. there were just too many emotional holes left. if it were just 30 minutes longer, i think they could have addressed the need to develop the characters a little more. hell, if we could get a bryan singer director's cut on dvd, i think that'd be the movie that we all wish we saw tonight. for the most part, all the whining about the effects and the action is BS. it's the lack of a good script and perhaps the lack of executive foresight as to what this x-men franchise could have been. yeah, they left it open, but how much can you do when you killed off so many integral characters?
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I don't want to delve into spoiler territory, because god knows alot of idiots will do that here, they don't need me doing it.. If you take it as big screen entertainment and had no comic frame of reference then you'll enjoy yourself.. my brother who has been collecting xmen comics since he was 12 wasn't so optimistic, and I have to admit.. alot of it was done poorly, some deaths were handled poorly given the investment most people will have in the characters, and as for the writing, the story was good, the dialogue was SLOPPY... My key concern with the movie was that Ratners Xmen had some great action, whereas Singers Xmen had great... everything else. If you could do a George Lucas on this puppy and get Singer to do pick ups and reshoots to the pivotal scenes, leave the ratner action, and lengthen the damn thing to a 2 hour movie.. then I would be completely satisfied.. Because of my brothers perspective, I can understand the anger, but, as an action movie it stands up okay, and he sees that too.. How do I put this in movie terms... uhh... it's not Terminator 2, it's Terminator 3.. I suppose another one is,ooh, I read that it was likened to Matrix Revolutions in how it 'let people down', and I think that was another movie that not alot of people understood... This will go down as another one of those movies... it's worth maybe 8.50 of your 12 bucks for admission.
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You guys act like you have never read a Marvel comic book in your lives. Major characters die all the time. It's almost a joke how often people die and come back. And with the post-credit scene, we see this is true for the films, as well. My biggest beef was with the method that Wolverine and Beast used to take down Magneto. Beast couldn't have grabbed Leech, ran up behind Magneto like he does in the film and had Leech wrap his arms around Magneto instead? I felt what happens was fairly contrary to what the X-Men and Xavier were all about, but whatever. Wolverine's final confrontation w/Phoenix was excellent. Halfway thru I was thinking about how cool it would be if something happened like in Grant Morrison's New X-Men where Wolverine gets all the meat fried off his arm, head and torso, down to his shiny adamantium skeleton. I liked it a lot, but I, too, thought it would have benefited from another 30 to 45 mins of character stuff. I have other minor nitpicks, like Storm spinning and punching fools, or the lame ass excuse for a Sentinel, but overall I enjoyed it a lot more than I anticipated. It's like a cinematic "cover" of the comic. It doesn't have to be exactly or even close to the source material to be good. I fucking hated Batman Begins because of how different and corny it was, but the same elements in X3, or any of the X-Men films, don't bother me. It's similiar to the Ultimate universe, in that it's a consciously different version of established characters.
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have "died" in the comics. As has Cyclops. There has been LONG periods of time in the comics where Xavier is AWOL. Xavier IS the X-Men? Fft. Whatever.
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It really did play out well as a summer popcorn flick. And it actually held up to the story cast by its predecessors well. (Except that they should've included the Phoenix flames, especially since they were already introduced in the second film.) I have to agree that as an X-Men fan, it was completely divergent from the comics, lightly touching on things we've known to garner some recognition. But the films have done that since the beginning. And as an X-Men film fan, this movie worked for me. Sure, there were some cheesy moments. The special effects were a very mixed bag. (Much as I love a lot of the things Weta has given to us in its few years of existence, when they are off, they are really off. A lot of that I'm sure was due to the time constraint of the production, but I've noticed some of this sub-par work in LOTR and Narnia as well.) There was egregiously offensive wire-work at parts. (Though once you got past Beast's entrance in the fight at Alcatraz, his movements were spot on to me.) And there were characters that were sort of wasted. (Angel is such an iconic character that I wish they could've done more with him and also increased the impact of his story.) And the film isn't as cohesive a story itself as the other two were. But it does continue the threads begun in the first two films and opens way to much more down the road. (Don't anyone be fooled by the marketing hoopla that this is the last film. Even with some of the things that take place in the film, it never once felt like an ending to me.) I'm surprised at the negative reviews for this. This was an all-out mutant war and I got a huge kick out of it.
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I loved the film. I only wonder why so many reviews focus on what COULD have been instead of the material at hand. I see harry focusses on preconceived notions of what the stories and character should be. A director has every right to change something if it makes more sense for the story. Like Sam raimi deciding to go with built in webbing instead of wasting the time to explain how peter makes web packages cuz his bites gave him a better understanding of chemicals . I don't know if linking ones site is against the rules here but my amateur (working on being proffesional) review is on www.rubensreviews.com.
One final note about character deaths. I believe a characters death enhances the story. I mean you never really feel like anything was at risk if nobody dies. Look at star wars phantom menace and lucas with his famouse happy parade endings. I fail to see why fans of X-men are moaning about character deaths, look at the comics. people can die in comics and come right back, so really your arguments, and that jedi guy walking out crying this isnt x-men, I mean do you realize how stupid and emotionally unstable you sound? How as an adult you simply can't sit down and take in what is presented for what it's worth, no you have to make a spectacle , as if secretly desiring the entire audience to stand up and march with you out the theatre in glorious protest? it's just sad, -
... they'd just made it clear that if left unchecked at the end, she would have destroyed the Earth or at least the West Coast. As it was, all the people who don't know the history would have seen is that she trashed a suburban house and a California tourist attraction.
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I never told any of you not to see the film. I hated it. In fact, the further I get away from it, the more I hate it. Having said that - I've recommended to several friends that have ZERO history with the comics and in particular the Phoenix Saga to check it out at a matinee. For me, the movie was mostly just "off" until the bridge landing on Alcatraz Island... at that point... things like Beast's terrible wire work - and that ridiculously ill-staged fight between Callisto and Storm and the anonymous mutant zulu charge... just left me wondering what the fuck this shit was. That said, Juggernaut's chase after Kitty was fun... and I really wanted a lot more out of the Iceman vs Pyro bit. But Juggy and Icee weren't enough to save that ending... cuz I'm sorry... I would have loved to have excited this movie cheering and excited. I love movies I feel are badass. Sadly - I really can't divorce the fact that when I hear a character called PHOENIX in a fucking X-MEN movie... the last thing I fucking think of is a silent stooge to stage right of Magneto pulling a prison job. Had this movie stuck strictly to THE CURE storyline - I would have let slide a ton of stuff that bothered me, but I'm an X-MEN geek. The very first run of comics that I forced my father to take me to a comic book shop (after he closed his) was Phoenix Saga issues. I was on pins and needles from issue to issue. It was the first comics that held me in that grip. So they were imprinted... panel by glorious panel as Chris Clairemont in his gifted glory wrote them. And as someone that knows how that story would play if given full life... just how much something like that could change "mass" audiences' p.o.v. towards "COMIC" movies... When suddenly they'd get to see them as something a bit cooler than it has been... where suddenly they stop thinking of it as merely a good COMIC BOOK movie - and they start thinking of it as a GREAT MOVIE. Like what happened with STAR WARS and EMPIRE STRIKES BACK... that's the potential that X3 had by doing the Phoenix story... instead... they totally fucking blew it. I don't blame Ratner - frankly he's not an X-MEN fan. He didn't even have time to read the issues in question before he had to leap into casting. This is a goddamn tragedy. You see... SUPERMAN has NEVER had a storyline that came close to PHOENIX SAGA. Batman has. Spider-Man has. Fantastic Four have. I'd even say Thor has. But there are not that many GREAT ALL TIME CLASSIC FOR THE RECORDS stories that lept from the comic pulp to sear into the minds of comic fandom like the PHOENIX saga - and to have this... the first geniune CROWN JEWEL of a comic story clusterfucked for the world to never see... It pisses me off. I really wish I didn't feel that way. I hate raging against something. But... it's just how I fucking feel.
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It's a flawed movie for sure, but the points Harry stressed as being franchise killers were just the conventions of every hollywood movie. "It's terrible because the villains dress in dark clothing and some have tattoos." "It's terrible because the sun goes down too quickly." Cracker PLEASE. You could say that about nearly every action movie of the last 30 years! The movie really is set up as if it's the final X-Men movie. If that's so then it's a decent, shocking end. If it's not (which is nearly impossible; X-Men is set up to be the next never-ending franchise ala Batman and James Bond) then it's flaws will severely hinder the next few movies as they try to explain themselves out of it. Aside from that, it meets all the potential that comic book movies have reached for but never attained. Truly epic battles of men and women with powers nearly beyond imagination. Buildings, even cities devastated by sheer power... all with photo-realistic effects, and fight scenes that relied on actual people and wire-work rather than unbelievable CGI humans dragging the viewer out of the story. I wasn't prepared for the level of tension Ratner created. I hate the complications the film's deaths will have on future X-Men films, but they added an amazing level of urgency to the film. It sent an instant message: no matter who you think is safe in this movie.... they aren't. The viewer truly believes that any character could bite it at any moment. When you watch Spider-Man 2, when Doc Ock grab Peter by the head, you never really worry that he'll pop his skull like a grape and end the franchise. In X-Men 3 you're on the edge of your seat, anxiously waiting to see if Logan will be torn to shreds by the Phoenix. It's a really effective movie, filled with all the action we all hoped the first 2 promised us but never delivered. It's just not the movie that hardcore X-Men fans wanted. Harry was blinded by that, much like a lot of comic fans will be.
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But was 4 movies worth of plot worth it? If it leads to a hard-R Wolverine spin-off the answer is hell fucking yeah.
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the ALL NEW Superman Returns trailer was pretty fucking rad! Trailer 1.5 my ass! That was trailer 2, no question. More dialogue, more action, more everything. I think Superman Returns is going to fucking own X3 this summer.
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Still doesn't help it, just generally awful. The people now stating they loved it or it was amazing must eat their chips and shut the fuck up because now the movie is actually out and it sucks. People were laughing at the CG and wire-antics in the theater I was in, people booing in other places the one and only cheers were at the "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!!!" scene, that was it. Also to people claiming they don't want to come to the site because of how X3 has been treated, why are you still posting? Sorry mediocrity lovers but the vote is in and X3 looses. It might make money because everyone will at least see it once, but then I believe it will fall like cyclops did. I do agree with some coments though, I don't believe any of these characters are dead. They'll come back in X4 and we all know there will be an X4, because if Fox can squeeze a dime out of it they'll make it.
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Two great endings! I think the film closed on a great note with a whole heap of promise! A tonne of excellent scenes with a thankful uppage of power usage. The tone remains faithful to X2, which I enjoyed. The stuff I didn't like - too farkin short! I want more of two things: The subtle scenes are so important, those little references which X2 was full of. Secondly, the big things! The powers these mutants posess still aren't properly realised on screen. Being held back by time and money I can understand, surely it's not for lack of being able to imagine the choreography of the potential fights these guys could have. Where's Bobby Frozoning it up, zooming around while lopping iceballs at Pyro and why has Storm still not summoned an arctic blast? She could have just blown the brotherhood back onto the bridge, horizontal sleet and hail etc, all the while Magneto magnetically sheilds his posse from a cannon of her constant lightning attacks. Magneto's final scene gives me hope for Mystique and Rouge, while it's true - we didn't see Scott's body. Kitty was great, while Angel was just an afterthought of why. I'm the Juggernaught bitch! Sweet. Why didn't he and Colossus have a rumble.
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I've maybed read 2 X-Men comics on total (Spider-Man's more my thing), but I was still disappointed by X3. It doesn't "suck", but X2 was the Empire Strikes Back of the trilogy. X3's a popcorn movie with some beautiful imagery (the Phoenix stuff), just don't expect character development and emotional resonance like the 2nd. There are moments that'll have you whoop with excitement, and others that'll have you shaking your head. So watch it, just don't expect the world of it.
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Are you guys watching the same movie I saw last night? It was awesome! I loved it. My son loved it. My wife loved it. I'm not sur what you guys were expecting but I thought this was a really cool comic book movie. Now on to the World Premier of CARS tonight..later
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I didn't realize it was a mutant power to jump through the air like you have steel cables guiding you to a cushioned landing. That power kicks so much ass. I bet that's why Ratner gave it to thirty people all at once. He's such a talented director.
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That's what I thought. I thought Ratner's instincts were in the right place but the film barrels along too quickly to really stop and absorb the points/characters/morals of the issues as a Singer version undoubtedly would have. We should have seen Beast be more conflicted. We should have seen Angel do SOMETHING - the final scene with him and his father is weird because there is no real build-up or pay-off. But overall I liked it, although killing Prof X for shock value was bullshit and killing Cyclops just because they clearly needed to get him clear for Superman was the worst part of the film. When Jean died at the end of X2, it felt like it was earned. When everyone started dying in X3 in felt cheap. And I;m sorry, you can't do Phoenix without Cyclops. It was just another step in the pussification of his character and bigging up of Wolverine. On the upside, I liked the Danger Room, and the fastball special, and Wolvie carving everyone up (the geography and set up of his venture into the woods is very badly handled though). Thought Kitty Pryde was good, thought Iceman beating Pyro was great. McKellen was awesome as usual, as was Stewart. Overall it was fine, but not the thrilling, transcendent experience we were all hoping for after X2.
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I think it's safe to say that it didn't end up working. And that both Mystique and Rogue will be back to themselves at some point.
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But, instead of pissing and moaning, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! Because you certainly have more of a chance to do so, than me or any other common talkbacker. If you don't want X-men, or whatever raped, then make nice with Arad, and go work for MARVEL, help them setup some sort of quality control for their properties, lord knows they need it. That would sure as hell be more rewarding than John Carter. And regarding X3, you gotta realize, this movie is like pizza. No matter how crappy it might seem to be, it's still damn good. R.I.P. CYCLOPS
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I left before the credits ended... some one tell me what happened so that I don't have to pay to see it again.
MiniReview: Too much going on in one movie... left it feeling like a blur... and if you kill someone... KILL STORM... EVERYONE HAS HATED HALLE BERRY'S STORM FROM THE BEGINNING... stupid... stupid... stupid... -
The film had the msot action and f/x of ther series and was dark, had some good scenes including the house/dark phoenix metamorphosis and the final battle in alcatraz, but they drop the ball on phoenix, angel and some other characters. I thought Ratner did a good job overall but the film wasnt that long and certain subplots were not dealt with in a logical manner. I like the fact that Wolverines role was miniomal in this one, he seemed defanged anyway. It wasnt a bad film, it wasnt a great film either. I liked the cinematography and the music as well. Magneto steals the film as usual.
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****SPOILERS*** At least that's the impression I get from his X3 and many of his countless other reviews. I mean, c'mon! X3 was a solid movie. Not ground breaking, not perfect, but solid! Well worth putting on the same shelf as the rest of the trilogy. Rattner did good and kept Singer's tone. As a writer myself, you always have to make changes to a story based on another work. Not only for budget, but mostly because billions (BILLIONS! sorry, Lex Luthor moment) of people around the world are not familiar with the source material. Why do you think they ALWAYS repeat the rules on how to kill a vampire in a vampire movie? So you do your best to include all the necessities and understand that you must alter the rest for the general populace. I'm sure Harry's film endeavour (How's that going by the way?) will have to go through rewrites because fresh eyes (producers, actors, directors, general audience) will not get everything. So you cut away and simplify. I've been an X-fan for 25+ years and LOVED this trilogy. Yes, not the comic, but it has its tone and told a good story. Sadly, I had to explain to fellow geeks that were angry at 'made up charaters', like Arclight, most were actual characters! Mutant Massacre 'hardcore' fans? It seems that most people are pissing and moaning out of ignorance or zombified bandwagon hatred. I was impressed all the way through. I enjoyed what they did with a majority of the characters. I enjoy a great twist or two. Rogue choosing the 'cure' makes perfect sense. Depowering Magneto made perfect sense. Cyclops' death was a dramatic choice to add tension. Mystique's depowering and betrayal was spot on. "I'm sorry my dear, but you are no longer one of us." Perfect. Prof X giving a knowing smile to Wolvie before his death had a great payoff in 'the end'. With each death and depowering it upped the stakes and you felt that nearly no one was safe. Beast (whom I was the most worried about) was terrifically handled. ICEMAN! C'mon! Give it up for ol' (er...young) frosty! The Brotherhoods assault at the end was really well done. The airburst 'cure' mortars was a great touch! Ellen Page was great as Kitty Pryde. And the hint that the cure may not be all that its cracked up to be... The only three gripes that stick with me were the Angel rescue (he can fly at supersonic speeds and be only minutes behind the Blackbird?), the under use of Colossus and the wacky (and seemingly out of the blue) stealth power of the Blackbird. But even that stuff is small gripes. This is a very well made Summer fun flick. I watched X1 & 2 before seeing this tonight and I have to hand it to all involve...I was entertained, never bored and, above all, I enjoyed myself. Not in THAT way you dirty birdies. Though some of those shots of Famke...rrrowl!
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Some great almost inspired moments, marred by some truely terrible scenes. Halle Berry is just awful. SPOILERS: The film arbitrarily kills certain side characters - who are fairly established in the comics with no purpose. I don't think it is fair to blame Ratner. In a way it's a decent movie, but it's not a good X-Men movie. I don't really want to see more from this series though. Did anyone else feel that this film does it's best to give outs to almost every major death?
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You guys can just go ahead and say who dies, it's been common knowledge on this site since the dang script leaked. EVERYONE AND THEY MAMA KNOWS!!! Just don't put the names in the headings.
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Did you miss the fact that there's no regard for character in the film what-so-ever. Fucked up dialog, doesn't know what story it wants to tell, lackluster action scenes and when a few scenes that are actually good appear you're to busy laughing your ass off at this piece of shit called a movie. I didn't know if I wanted to cry or laugh half the time at the total disregard for basic story telling "rules" or the use of Bruckheimer-dialog
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...Would you're Phoenix saga include Utah The Watcher, the Shi'ar along with a congress of alien races, Dazzler, a mutant group dressed in Victorian era and Victoria's Secret costumes, the cosmic orgins of Phoenix, Pheonix flying through space to devour an alien world and the Blue Spot on the Moon? Or would you rewrite it in such away that a general audience would understand the story and not be turned off by the sheer left curve that was thrown at them after the established history/reality of the first two movies? I am truly interested in your handling of the Phoenix Saga. What would you keep and what you would deem needed to be changed.
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What the f*ck happened to any sort of quality control...this movie was a total mess.
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Yes Harry, we know, we know. You've done nothing but make it abundantly clear that you hate X3. In fact, you seemed to decide that you hated it 6 months ago, so your opinion is not really a shock. It's funny to me that you found a way to once again remind us of this fact by your above post. What's the point of reminding us of that? But you know what? Who cares if you hated it? Really, what does it matter. Your life is not going to change. You'll live to see another day. It's okay, Harry, it's okay. Let's not forget that you LOVED Armageddon. 'Nuff said.
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Personally, I wouldn't introduce the Phoenix story line unless I could do it justice. With the X-MEN - there's a ton of storylines that are not complicated to an extreme. Apparently Bryan has stated he intended to do X3&4 back to back - and that would have been his take on the Phoenix saga. Personally - I liked the idea of closing out this "first trilogy" with the "CURE" storyline as the first two films were about Professor X and Magneto's opposing takes on how to deal with Mutant rights in a Homo Sapien dominated world. The "Cure" is a great reaction to what happened in X2 and would bring about an incredibly tough series of decisions to be made by characters for whom being a mutant had always been a stigma, rather than a blessing. The issue of being "cured" of being different is a fantastic story device... honestly - what would Cyclops have done if presented with that option. Constantly worried about unintentially hurting people. Or would he remain X's favored student? Then there's Magneto. They brought up the idea of Sentinels... what if that had been the third act. Instead of plastic guns which Pyro could've melted in a big flameblast of the island. -- The point is - in adaptation - if there's a subject that is intrinisically too complicated or convoluted to tackle in a film for the story you're telling... you just eliminate it. Especially if it's a story element that the core fanbase loves and will kill you for royally fucking up. Jean Grey's presence would have been better felt in this film as an absence. The cost of action from the previous encounter with the "government" and Magneto's team. Imagine if the post credit shot had been Phoenix rising from a boiling lake with full fiery visage... and you realized that THAT story was what we were getting next. That that story is what you were dealing with in the NEXT trilogy. Not as a 20 minute side-plot in a film already over-filled with characters you were not devoting enough time to... As for JOHN CARTER OF MARS - if you get your hands on the latest draft... and you read the original book. You tell me where our team dropped the ball, because this draft kicks all types of ass... with no-glaring short-shifts of major characters. We're not robbing from the later books to overstuff the first film due to some odd sense of insecurity that your story doesn't have enough going on in it. And it's all about building the relationships between John and Tars and John and Dejah. The two key relationships that he has to build in order for anything in the story to pay off.
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So what really happened between you two? He give you herpes? Anal warts? Steal your burrito?
Only plausible explanation for your dogged, pathetic vilification of a movie that the majority of filmgoers and even geeks on this very site (who've also read the Phoenix Saga, as have Stan Lee, Avi Arad and most probably the other producers, you condescending bastard) thought was a fun flick. -
It was cool in some spots, mediocre in others, and total stinkville in the remaining. It wasn't the total tragedy Harry makes it out to be. And keep in mind, Harry likes Jar Jar Binks, so keep that on record anytime you read any of his reviews. Although Harry does have great DVD picks though, so I gues that sort of evens things.
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X-men, would have just worked better as a tv series with a occasional flick in between seasons?
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The dialogue i found most cridge worthy remains in X2. As does the acting and the script and the action. This film had great action. Wolverine had some great one liners, just as he did in X2. sure, when he said "we're X-men it did feel out of place.... but no more than those costumes with big X's all over them. The death scenes, i feel were handled wonderfully. Firstly, We don't know if Cyclops is dead. We don't!Even if he is dead, at least the character had something to do in this film. In X2 Cyclops might as well have been played by a stand-in. The vaporise death of ****** in Greys house was something I wasn't expecting, and it gave me a bit of a shock. Said character had so much more to do in this film than in X2. Just admit it with me.To be honest, I feel like this si X2 all over again, where the situation was totally vise versa - I felt ripped and all you guys loved what you'd seen. this time, i'm the one who has walked out of a satisfying well put together film, and all you are whining. Vindication I say. And if this type of tfilm just isn't you're cup of Joe, then I seriously can't help but pitty you poor slobs. This was the Empire strikes back of the series. If only 'Batman Begins' had the cool and the style this film has. Here's the strangest thing about coming to this site - according to the democratic magority of AICN, X3 is shit because Singer wasn't directing, and superman is going to be shit because singer is Gay. Senior Speilbergo has never made a good film, while Peter Jackson and Quintin Tarantino are the Gods amoungst film makers. Somethings most definately wrong here. One day many years from now, you guys are going to be watching X's 1, 2 & 3 and you'll see just which films really have stood the test of time. May I predict X3 will be the favourite.... and X2 will be unwatchable.
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I can't see this movie till tomorrow, you all suck!
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...where all this love for X2 comes from.It was a good movie but not a great one.In fact,there are some parts of it that are just downright boring.A couple of weeks ago I rewatched the first two films to refresh my memory in preparation for X3 and I found the first film is still better than the second.Also the way X2 ended was a complete rip-off of Star Trek 2.A main character sacrifices himself/herself to save the ship/plane.They even had Jean's voice reciting the "mutation"speech from the beginning of the first film like Spock recited the "Space,the final frontier..."speech at the end of ST2.In my opinion this film was not as good as the first,but it was a much better time at the movies than X2.Where this movie should have been about a half hour longer,X2 should have been a half hour shorter.And one more thing,am I the only one that thought that Nightcrawler got on his nerves every time he was on the screen?
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I saw it Tuesday night at the Phoenix press screening and everyone around us (including the main audience AND all the critics) seemed to really enjoy the flick.... Anyway here is the link to my review...........http://www.movietack.net/r768-x-men-the-last-stand-movie-review.html
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sub-basement is in the comics, but I thought it was pretty cool that the Danger Room was in the exact same spot as it was in X-men Legends.
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So much for the "Wait until it comes out, you fducking HATER!" bullshit that the Ratner/Rothmann apologists have been spewing for the last year. You know what, fucktards? Sometimes the writing is on the wall and you don't NEED to taste it to know it's shit. It actually started off okay. The tipping point for me? Xzvier's line: "She must have wrapped herself in a cloak of psychic energy." That's when I knew we were in trouble.
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He said "cocoon" not cloak. Also, blame Rothman and Zakk Penn. Not Ratner. He shot it, he didn't write it.
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I work in a cinema in England, and we havd a late night preview, in the end only myslef (one of the managers) and a front of house staff member turned up (she is from the states)... we sat down and she asked me what i was expecting, and i bascially said i was expecting to be let down completely, but as long as it was an ok action movioe, i wouldn;t mind all that much.
What i got let me down and made me angrier than i have been for a long time at the blatant disregard studioos have for their fans, but also had me sitting like a six year old watching COMMANDO for the first time..
It ruins all the good work that Singer built upon for his first two films, and i feel if there was more time, attention and care to detail then this could have been a great movie... ratner wasn't the problem, there were enough visual flourishes and moments that tried to emulate the feel singer created, what let this story and this movie down was the weak as piss script - the total and utter disrespect for the characters that ahd been lovingly crafted and built up over two stories, and a total disresepct for the rules and timeline that was built in the previous two movies.
Singer made the world a believeable and interesting place, something you believed could actually take place in a few years, what with the major changes happeneing to our world and our lives - he built up a mythology every bit as intense and complicated as the comics, and he was building toward a great PHOENIX saga, that i was hoping would eventually bring about a great story to shove Cyclops to the forefront and do something with a criminally underused character!
What we got was a story straight from the cartoons, and a bunch of characters i had no belief or care for.
there were some good moments, and these were:
*Leech, cameron Bright played him as a pure innocent who had no idea of his signisficance or power.. over both the brotehrhood and the government, here is a mutant that the government needs, and wants to keep safe, for their own machiavellian needs, but need him all the same.. and a mutant that the brotehrhood need to sacrifice... a spin on this pont would have been great.. instead, ts just a by product of the story.
* Beast - kelsey grammer is given a thankless task of bringing Hank to the screen, and saves the character from obscurity by giving an honest and interesting spin on the muythology... he gave it his best shot, it worked, i applaud him for saving a weak scripted background player.
* Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart. The best thing about this story hands down.
Ian Mckellen has a great gift to give gravitas to weak characters (leigh teabing DA VINCI CODE anyone???) and Stweart is great at imposing himself on a story... in this we see a little peak of the true bastard that Xavier can be... anyone who reads the comics (especially Morrions take on the characters) will know how hardcore Xavier can be if pushed, in this we see a tantalising glimpse of the true xavier pushing tthrough... and then, its runiend by a development that is comopletely and utterly farseical, and not once touched upon in the comics...
WASTE OF TIME. WASTE OF TALENT.
* Mystique...
every thing she does is great, and i can't remeber who said it, but its true her betrayal is a real gut punch...
* Shadowcat.
Ellen page was great, but was wasted... and her charcater was rushed into the stroy, more attention to detail and this could have been great.
THINGS THAT DIDN'T WORK:
* rogue was wasted from start to finsih and they ahve killed her entire characters poignance..
nice one Mr Penn.
* MORLOCKS?
not like i have ever seen.
Oh, right, so because we are mutants we need to mark ourselves to make out that the people know who we are...
quite aside from the fact we are terribly difigured, and have amazing powers, we need to badly tattooed as well...
got ya.
WASTE OF TIME, RUBBISH, and Callisto was the worst character ever commited to screen..
"i feel a new mutants presence!!!"
yeh, cheers callisto, but i'm eating a sub, can you come back when you are interesting... cheers.
* Juggernaut..
now i will admit, Jones had be sniggering, and i think he pulled off the surley unstoppable man mood quite well... but the character was not the juggernaut, he WAS ramman from He Man, and his past would have been great if touched upon..
But instead, they wasted the opportunity to bring Xaviers past more into the fold..
* Multiple man, Eric Dane pulled off the comedy of the character quite well, but it was rubbish effects, and he was completely redeundant to the story except as the decoy scene Deus Ex Machina...
If done correctly, it would have been a great addition to the story..
Another red X next to the scriptwriters name.
There are loads more gripes, but the point is, we could all go on for days and days and days...
The film was a wasted opportunity to increase the mythology for the screen, and to make this an even better franchise than it was already.
If not for greed, commercial gaiin, and a spiteful dummy out of pram attitude from roth at FOX, we could all be creaming and screaming at how good this was, but the minute they empliyed ratner to fill Singers vacant boots, we all new this was going to be a film that they just had to make, and get out, because of some stupid finacial commitment, and not out of respect and dignity to the fans who made the firsdt two films the successes they were...
This was an easy opportunity to make it, and fucking forget about it... FOX fucked up, and we unlitamtely will never see another decent XMEN film again because of it...
And thats not only sad, but it pisses all over the work of Bryan Singer, Tom DeSanto, The cast the crew and the fans who paid their money and made teh studio financially safer in the meantime...
Thanks for that Mr Roth, and FOX.... cheers for taking the aboslute piss out of the people who keep you in pocket..
I perosnally hope that SUPERMAN fucks you royally, just to turn your own childish spite against you.
PEACE!
The Elusive Sarianlives
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Will I like it? Will someone who feels the same way, and has seen X3, tell me it it's worth my time?
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apologies for teh spelling errors, i was angry and didn;t take time to spellcheck...
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Cocoon instead of cloak. Well now it's oscar gold, isn't it? I blame everyone from top down for this piece of dogshit INCLUDING Ratner. So there.
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really bad.
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Jean grey dies saving the team. AFter being presumed dead, she reappears alive with amazing new powers and rejoins the X-Men taking the new name Phoenix (she never had a real code name in the movies before). Over time, the extent of her powers seems to grow to near omnipotence and she starts to abuse her power and become corrupted by it. Optionally, this process can be exacerbated by the influence of villians, but not necessarily. Eventually it reaches a tipping point where she is driven into a rampage, killing large numbers of people and manifesting as Dark Phoenix. The X-Men are then faced with having to destroy their own teammate for the sake of the world.In the end, it comes down to Scott to take her out, but he still feels Jean's mind fighting for control inside Phoenix through the pychic link they shared. He uses that link to draw Jean's personality to the surface. She realizes that the Phoenix is too strong and destroys herself and the Phoenix.The rest of the stuff, like Helfire Club, Sh'iar, The Moon is all unnecceary. Take that arc, spread it out over 2 movies, I think it could have worked. It would also rely on great performances by the actors playing Jean and Scott, so its a bit of a gamble. I haven't seen the movie yet, is it any good?
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Cuz that was one UGLY bitch. I love how all the "bad" mutants wee either punk-rawk or metal looking. What, there's no pipssed-off buisnessman mutant. I also love ho nobody fell down after the Golden Gate Bridge was dropped from 50 feet. And... how everybody jumped off of the GGB in the EXACT SAME MANNER! Like every mutant has super-leaping-powres or something. Retarted.
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You get the idea.
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I answered my own question. She is apparently a "supermodel". It seems like they're running fast and loose with the term "supermodel" these days. That bitch put the "UG" in "ugly, let me tell you.
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Just saw it. I like it. Nuff said.
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Because the fact is: you don't have one. all you have is an opinion of the movie they DIDN'T make.
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The good: most of the action scenes in general, everything with Bobby and Pyro, Beast (to my great surprise), Magneto, Multiple Man (thats the way you do a cameo), de-ageing- as cool as you've heard, Mystique again steals the show,
The bad- half the effects werent 'bad' but they were half assed which was almost worse because you can see the potential, Juggernaught in his styrofoam helmet was godawful, Angel was pointless- see the last 10 minutes of Dogma its identical and the effects are no better, the end was basically just the cheap switcheroo that Harry noted (of the last 2 scenes including the post-credits i could have taken one or the other, but both was a total crock).
Overall the movie was terribly disapointing after the high bar X2 set. It would have gone on to be just an ok popcorn conclusion if they would have actually, well, finished the movie and made it a reasonable length. 6 more months of post production and 20 more minutes of screen time would have made it a reasonable if uninspired conclusion to the series. As it is this movie will get worse with each reviewing ala Ewoks. -
Biggest complaints; 1: Cyclops getting Johnny Cage'd 2: Severe underuse and lame killing of many potential future franchise characters. 3: Severe inclusion of many characters in such a short running time. 4: Too damn short, no time to properly develop the Phoenix or any of the new mutants. 5: The action was a little sloppy and didn't make up for some of the more boring banter moments attempting to "deliver" this giant size story in 90 minutes.
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I'll have the review to end all reviews.
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japanese salaryman mutant, bingo grandma mutant. ### I'd like to see a Wolverine/zombies movie. His powers are a perfect match to survive in that environment.
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but Harry - this is a movie not a comicbook. Irrespective of lost opportunities - it was still a really fun movie. Don't tell me you did not enjoy the scene where Wolverine's skin is atomized or the way 'X' gets blown to bits by Dark Phoenix. The X-Men movies have already taken so many liberties with the comic books that it seems like a lame excuse to complaint about silly things like the phoenix saga not being as is in the comics; the sentinels aren't there...etc. So would you help bash 'Superman Returns' because it doesn't follow the same story arcs as the comics?????? Agreed that Fox did this whole thing in such a rush but atleast give an A+++ to all the people involved with the movie to have made that deadline and deliver something which fits into the 'X' movie mythology nicely. It maynot be the great movie that all comic fanboys expect but it is still a fun time. Definitely heads and shoulders above Da Vinci Code which was an utter piece of crap.
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I'm 100% certain I saw a -Bamf!- in the final fight. But the question is: who? I know Nightcrawler isn't in the movie, so are there any mutants with similar abilities? Does he die in the game?
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due to my 'circumstances'. Enjoying all the TB responses though... Seems fairly 50/50 on the like/hate meter, which, given how many crazy fanboys are on this site probably means I'll like it a bit...
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Oh, and Circus Clown Mutants *shudder*
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In the third and last (?) entry into the durable Marvel series, Brett (Money Talks) Ratner takes the helm from previous director Bryan Singer and does a solid job of bringing the mutant
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That is all
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You know, I promised I would give The Last Stand a fighting chance and I didn
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" ... all I could think about was you, Harry." You are so gay.
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then I'm going to swallow my profound reservations, suppress all the negative feedback I've been exposed to, and go and spend my seven bucks and give this thing a chance. I cannot agree with Benders on Harry, I believe the Headgeek's take on this comes from a profound love of the source material and a persistent vision of what could and should have been. Nevertheless my respect for our South African friend is such that I must see if I can enjoy this film on its own merits. Hopefully the fact that every plot point has been completely spoiled will not pose a problem to this.
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Harry, why not just post the latest version of the script on AICN for all of us to read? If it's as good and faithful as you say, then posting it can only benefit your movie by creating good buzz among the geekdum.
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...and cuddled up with it afterwards. I avoided every spoiler I could, like with X2 and I'm glad I did. Awesome.
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Brian Singer obviously knows and respects the mythologies and characters like we do while at the same time he puts his own personal vision in it to make it more inbteresting and work for the real world and for film (with Superman he's said he's tried to incorporate everything he could whether it be from the comic, the Donner films and Smallville) Brett Ratner and Fox obviously do not care about the characters. They obviously do not care about Jean Grey, Cyclopse, Storm, etc.
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Not "geekdum".
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I don't get this!? From any of you. OK, you can like the movie as much as you want, but don't pretend anyone else should like it. Just admit that it's a fucking mess all over, but that you don't give a shit because your brain's a garbage disposer. I mean where do you come from acting all indignant and shit when you're the one giving
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The marketing hype is over.
The movie will now stand or fall on its quality.
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Best of the 3 flicks. Needed 30 more mins, but it was way more epic than the previous films.
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I thought Beast kinda sucked, Angel might have sucked but he wasn't in the movie, we never saw a firey phoenix, the deaths in the film were less dramatic and more annoying, and blah blah blah...
The point is, despite the MANY short comings of this flick, I still liked it. It's better than X1. It just is. However, it never even approaches X2 in quality of story, acting, and general fun. In the end I'll probably reserve my right to only see a movie in the theatre once this time. -
Hugh Jackman probably requested that.
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Maybe my expectations were lowered by Harry, but I thought this was at least the second best in the trilogy, much better than the tiny scale, zero action first film. The last 20 minutes were brilliant, that last shot of magneto was fantastic, and the after the credits bit was genius. I enjoyed it immensely, and I'd like to see it again. All I can say is it seems every x-fan will have to see it for themselves, because the views of the film are fluctuating so heavily.
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Ultimately, I wouldn't give more credence to someone I wouldn't hang around with in real life. Anybody that can get worked up about a movie based on cartoons fits that bill. Sorry, guys, but you're fucking nerds. Seriously.
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... and easily accepting of mediocrity. The movie was *SHIT*. Deal with it.
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Having done so, let's just say that the script + Ratboy does not leave me with warm fuzzies. I'll see it tonight, but I doubt I'll dig it for much more than some cool effects.
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Since a bunch of the mutants are women, shouldn't Hollywood rename the series something like "X-People" or "X-Persons"?
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First?
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I prefer movies made from books to books made from movies anyday? Though that Halloween 4 novelization I read in 5th grade kinda kicked ass...
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to PHOENIX SAGA". Um, you've never read many Superman comics, have you Harry? Witness "To Save a Superman" storyline as far back as 1971. Great stuff -- look it up sometime.
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They're not the junior novelizations, tool. They're not great literature, either - but I like to go in knowing the story and then seeing how the director's and actors' choices compare to how I saw it in my mind's eye when I read it. Mmkay?
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I think Harry and others on this site need to get over their inability to realize that the Dark Phoenix Saga while great for the comic medium(blue area of moon, space battles, Marvels version of the DC's Legion of Superheroes etc etc)would not translate well into the movie medium. Studio's don't make movies for comic fan's, they make movies for the majority not the minority. They are out to make a profit pure and simple. Not make fanboy's dreams come true. You'd have to be simple minded not to understand this. X-men 1 and 2 good but not great. I liked them both but they both had issues. So did Spiderman 1 & 2. You have to weed out the crap and find the good stuff. If the Phoenix saga, the best they could've have done was keep the saga grounded on earth, and maybe introduce the Hellfire Club as a group of Mutant Elitist who want the worlds most powerful Mutant( Jean Grey in Phoenix role) on their side.If you guy's remember the comics, she was pretty much a stooge while under MasterMinds Thrall anyway's, so not much has changed in regards to how they played her in the movie. Also, why are people griping about, " THE PHOENIX FLAME!, THEY DIDN'T SHOW THE PHOENIX FLAME!IT WAS IN THE OTHER MOVIE AND THEY DIDN'T CONTINUE IT!" Please...that's the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. The way Singer handled the whole issue of Jean's death ( the how and why she died.) was pretty bad, if you ask me. It made no sense for her to die, when others on the X-Jet could have used their powers more effectively to save them. It was just slapped on there so Singer could go into the Phoenix Saga. It felt forced. The Phoenix Saga was a great groundbreaking comic story in the early 80's when I was in Highschool.Is the story so great that people on this site should be holding on to it like Christian's and Muslims do their so called sacred books. NO! I don't think so. I'm a comic collector have been ever since I learned to read at the age of five. Comics have there place, but in the big scheme of things, they aren't that important. If people took a small portion of the energy they waste ranting about how a movie didn't translate a comic to their liking, and applied said energy to science, philosophy, the pursuit of world peace. We'd have car's that run off water, spiritual guru's who would rival the Jedi in power and no war in the middle east. We need to stop bitching for the sake of bitching and enjoy things for what they are and not what they could have been. Harry's complaints stem from what he wanted the movie to be. Harry if you want the perfect X-men movie of your dreams, go out and buy a studio, aquire the movie rights from Marvel, produce and direct your vision of the X-men and when all is said and done watch it alone in a theater of your choosing.
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http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060525/REVIEWS/60509005
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It wasn't as terrible as I thought itll be, but it was still bad, but the time it got to a good bit [i.e phoenix destroying everything]...wolverine kills her?!?!?! I didnt like that, wirework was shit, soundtrack was too cheesy, and ratner got too many characters introduced, it was wasted...i mean, angel couldve had a good part, but it feels as if he was put there as an excuse to save his father at the end....heres hoping theyll be an X4 or a remake on X3....
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...movie novelizations were kinda cool back in the day (Star Wars trilogy instantly comes to mind) but seriously, why read some regurgitated shit from some hack writer when you can save the time and money by watching the movie in less than two hours? I ain't hating on ya so don't take it personally....
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what tha bloody hell?
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I enjoyed X3. Seeing it with a packed house at a midnight show always helps. Beast was great; wish we'd seen more of him. Cyclops once AGAIN gets the shaft. But no body/no actual on-screen death = Cyke Lives! Jean was definitely PINO, though. Angel was wasted; loved seeing Pyro finally get his. Magneto/Xavier kicked ass as usual. Definitely better than I feared, on par with X1. As for the haters: As a lifelong Spidey fan, I fear this is just a preview of the whining crap that's gonna hit the 'net when Spidey 3 arrives, with a nothing-like-the-comics Venom. I hope I'm wrong!
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needs to be flogged. I hope he hears about some of this backlash. but then again, the only backlash he'll understand is weak box office...and I don't think that's gonna happen this holiday weekend.
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with one major source of frustration being this: how on earth do you put Colossus and Juggernaut in the same movie, and NOT HAVE THEM FIGHT!?
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I'm not a X-Men or even comic book fan for that matter so cannot comment on how it plays out as a "proper X-Men Comic Movie", all I can say is that as a film fan pure and simple this was a highly entertaining summer movie which I probably enjoyed more than the previous two.
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please give me a detailed explanation of why that film is so praised as being the most enjoyable, fun, warm and cuddly, better than anything ever, shit all over X3 (or X1) cinematic gold that so many claim it to be. What am I missing? I've seen it 3 times - but only twice in it's entirety. I truely do find it the most boring, unengaging superhero film this side of Daredevil. Don't bow out by telling me it's faithful to some comic counterpart - that is NOT an answer! To me, that film is 4 scenes; people walking around a school saying "Hey, how you doing" ... A blue dude who says "I's believes in zee God" and storm pouting a reply "I believe in you" .... and some underground facility where the Xmen must try and get through some concrete, while Prof X attacks little screaming cheap special effects in some round room while some ugly sick head stares at him. For an hour. PLEASE. HELP.
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I'll assume that the character of "Omega Red", who's mentioned in the IMDB credits, either has little to no screen time, and/or is nothing like his comic book counterpart. Correct?
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So, you're not going to see it? And you are a "critic" of movies? Get some balls and think for yourself.
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...read these Talkbacks. Read the positive ones. People DON'T-CARE-ANYMORE. All they care about is not having anyone tell them what to do. "They say they don't like it? Well, FUCK them! I'll like it no matter what!" This movie is awful. No amount of "Look Ma, I'm being positive!" is going to change that. It fails on every level. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. JAWS. STAR WARS. These used to be the movies we were getting. Now? This bullshit. And its just going to keep getting worse unless we stand up and tell the studios this shit doesn't fly. They had the opportunity to make great summer films again with these comics. But, they didn't. All they did was make the same mediocre crap they've always been making. Only with some stuff in them to make fans of the books feel like it was made for them. I'm getting really depressed. These films are so awful. And you don't care. You just want to feel as if you live in an influential time. Where that film you saw that one time made this much money and etc. Fuck you. I know I'm just making it worse. I know you'll read this with a smug grin on your face and bark out the same pseudo-romanical bullshit like, "I had FUN". But, fuck you. Fuck you for killing my stories. Fuck you for not giving a damn. Fuck you for letting stay in this environment of horrible movies EVERY-YEAR. Fuck you. FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOUFCNEFJL;ASDNSC.LLNkj. AX#@~!x ,.
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And they bring in comic-book writers to write the novelizations - in this case, it was Chris Claremont, who wrote some of the great X-Men comics himself. (I should add that I *did* read the junior novelization of "Superman Returns" [in about 15 minutes], as it's the only one for Superman out so far. I can tell you it should be a zillion times better than "X-Men 3".)
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I went to see it last night around 12:05 am. I read the reviews, I heard the fanboys talking shit (even in theater). By the end - all I heard was "Oh shit!" or "God damn!" The Magneto highway scene rocked. The final battle was fucking awesome. Yeah the script is by the numbers and it had a bunch of little continuity problems that I could make dicky comments about, but I'm sick of doing that. For once I was thoroughly entertained and it never got boring or cheesy. Ratner's stock just went up in my book.
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I wonder if anyone that read the comics actually read the comics or looked at just the wonderful Byrne-Austin art? I support all comic movies good or bad because at least they are making them, but for any geek including myself we go into them with such preconceived ideas about how they should be made we never wonder can they be made. The Phoenix saga was a classic comic story and I hope it remains only availible in that form. We always seem to forget how these wonderful stories made us feel when we first read them ,why would you want to lose that magic to some elses interpretation? Just enjoy it for it is and go back and read the stories to see how the story can be told in its true form.
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Yes, there were a few tiny things but on the whole, this movie was fantastic. The Phoenix stuff was cool (the house scene OMG) and Storm was finally given something to do. Yay. Loved it. :)
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So did the packed house I saw it with. My woman cracked up at the phrase "telekinetic cocoon," so I made her regret it with my pimp hand and then told that bitch to go get me some popcorn. Anyway, like I was saying, great movie. I'm a comic fan, and I didn't let the deviations bother me. The film's main flaw is that is relies on the character development established in the first two films to make you care about the characters here, b/c ther ain't enough time to develop 'em further. WHY OH WHY COULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN 30 MINUTES LONGER?? That said, it was a hell of a fun ride. Watching X get completely atomized left me stunned. Theres something about seeing human beings turned into nothing that is just horrific to watch.. Felt the same as watching people get turned to dust in WotW.
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Hahahahahahahaha!
I had fun. It was a great flick. You didn't. Which leaves me ambivalent as to your pain and slightly smug as to your inability to suspend your purported encyclopaedic knowledge of the comic books and X-Men canon, and just enjoy yourself. Just as everyone else has done for every single comic book movie in history, NONE of which have ever stuck to the ludicrous canon established by their comic books progenitors.
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There were some very good things, but a lot of cringe-worthy bad things. I think this isn't so much the series' Batman and Robin as its Matrix Reloaded. A movie I *did* like--but I almost wish it hadn't been made just because it's such a letdown. The difference being that neither X-flick prior to this was as good as the first Matrix. I think if this had been half an hour longer, scored differently, and edited differently, it could've been pretty great. Oh, and the script could've used some brush ups to remove some of the clunkier one-liners.
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Theres got to be at least one talented person that is bitching about these films here. If you feel so strongly about making a good X-men film. DO IT! Go sell those back issues you've got locked away and make a X-men short. Something akin to Batman: Dead End. I DARE YA!
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of how fanboys tend to distort the centrality of their own patronage of these movies. The entire audience I watched X3 with (Thursday night, 8:30pm in one of England's two most Ubernerdy university towns) was responsive and excited by the movie and the action. Half the cinema stayed for the final post-credits scene, a testament to their knowledge of the movie. You couldn't even hear folks BREATHING when Juggernaut said "I'm the Juggernaut bitch." Maybe it's that we're prudish Brits, but it just seemed like an offensive gendered expletive directed at a very young girl by a grotesque older man, even when you had watched the original Web "I'm The Juggernaut, Bitch" cartoon. It just made no sense. So Avi's (for I have no doubt it was he) inclusion to sate the twat fanboys just alienated the bulk of the movie-goers.
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For me it was cool, about par with the first and not as good as the second. After watching it I have no idea why all this hatred has been levelled at it. Sure it was flawed, but so was the second one and the first one was most definitely flawed. What X1 has going for it is that it is the original. You can't compete with the feeling of experiencing X-Men on the big screen after years and years of dreaming about it. And yes, I am an X-Fan. I've collected for 10-15 years.
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when that stupid ass scene in the Superman trailer has him jumping in the cornfields looking gay as shit. I'd rather see a "real" Beast do wirework than some cheesy ass CG Beast jumping around (I don't remember if the Superman trailer jump was CG or wirework, but either way it looked lame to me). If I remember correctly AICN had an article praising the fact that Singer was using less CG and used an air gun, or something, to shoot a baseball a long distance instead of some CG ball flying through the air, but now they complain that X-Men had real people instead of CG is just lame to me. Maybe that was their plan, to do a movie with photo realistic effects and stunts, as opposed to some scene of Superman flying to save an aircraft that looked straight out of a video game...and let's not forget some of the crappy CG in X2. Look how bad it looked when Rogue was landing their airplane by the lake. It looked like some college kid's class project. As for the Sentinels, why use them now? Why not save them for some X-Men movie coming out in the future. If they used up all of the
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but haha, screw you harry. this TB has way more positives about this movie than negatives. makes me feel even better about this movie.
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...Not sure exactly why my previous post came out like that...but, whatever.
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I now know that Harry is impossible to please (yet it's funny how some of the lame $hit that comes out make him giddy like a school girl). Do you understand that they have to make a movie that is appealing to both fans AND non-fans? It's hard to please everyone and I think this movie was pleasant enough for both. Stop being such pussy @$$ H8r's
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Why is it so chic to be so negative? Why are fanboys so often such masochists? If you don't like these films, don't read the hype surrounding them, don't go on talkbacks devoted to them, don't pay to see them in theaters. That simple. That way, you don't contribute to the tragic degeneration of the public's collective taste in comic book movies. JESUS. I can't believe I'm still hearing pricks on here say they hated the Spider-Man films, Batman Begins, Hellboy or even Sin City.. Even those films didn't please 100% of the fanboys, proving that nothing ever will, so it's illogical to cater a movie to their every desire. Look, I know you didn't say anything about those films, but your depressing disposition smacks of the same shit I've heard from countless others with the same outlook. And don't fucking dare talk shit to people who like this movie just because you didn't. You're picking a fight with the majority. Like I just said in my last post, the audience i saw this with absolutely loved it, and so did I. I've been reading X-Books for 11 years (I'm 21), and I still loved it.
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Xavier lives!
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Doesn't matter what happened to your previous post, because that, my friend, is a freakin' milestone! That's the first time I've seen paragraphs in a talkback. Sure, they're not perfect, but still, wow. I'm surprised you didn't stretch the talkback with that.
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"all you have is an opinion of the movie they DIDN'T make." - truer words have yet to be spoken in this talkback **** Also props to bryce for - "given how many crazy fanboys are on this site probably means I'll like it a bit..."
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it played well, the B.B.C's movie website ha an average of 4.5 out of 5 rating from people who watched the movie. it's good stuff. sure it's not as deep as the 1st two but it's cool.
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screwed over for this film, before or after Marsden was cast in Superman Returns? Because if he actually picked being Lois' fiance over Cyclops, HE'S NUTS! We may be blaming the wrong people when it comes to the demise of Slim.
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at harry. this movie was good. it was the best of the three actually. moriarty is the only one who got it right. as a fan of the comic for the past decade, i can honestly say this is the x-men movie i've been waiting for. it's great.
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babies!
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do work? god damn your everywere on this site. i think its past your bed time.
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You're right, it is past my bedtime. I gotta get some sleep, so I can catch this flick again tonight. Of course, that's not likely cause it will probably be sold out.
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where 6 screens were packed. People will see this movie because everyone in my theatre loved it. I enjoyed it but was kind of dissapointed. Either way people giggled at how gay the new superman trailer is and how weird ghostrider is which made me happy only because of the people who run this site. SNakes on a plane got a standing ovation from several people which made me laugh. So X3 was a little dissapointing and felt rushed. I still liked it but ya know it was far from perfect but I left the theatre thinking "that was fun". DOES ANYONE THINK PROF. X's headstone looked eaxactly like a DIME? OR Arclight looked like the crossdresser from RENT? Or the cure turned Mystique into Monica Lewinsky? Or that Angel was just plain stupid? But all those things just made me laugh a little not make me hate the movie. Seriously Porcupine man? I felt like the family guy episode where Meg gets the power to grow her nails and the guy goes "Is that all you can do?"
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You heard me. All of the people who liked it are either A) devoid of any sense of what film is or B) relegated to the fact that the X-Men are just super-powered pansies who flip-flop between bitching and moaning and fighting the same damn villian for three movies straight.
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My guess is he was already cast in "Superman Returns", as it's a much meatier part than he probably would've got as Cyclops - but he did a few days on "X-Men" to tie up some loose ends. I also think the script was being written and re-written on the fly, and killing off characters had very much become the vogue on TV of late, so it was inserted into this script, as well. All of the deaths in "X-Men 3" were basically meaningless, as far as I know. They're there because FOX can't afford these actors' salaries anymore.
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and not how you would expect. the four superdorks in front of me had spent more time on AICN than they had spent awake the past few months, and were ready to hate on it. so i had to fight to keep my concentration on the film as the dorks in front of me hated on everything that's been hated on on this site for months now, from juggy's costume to the questionable deaths. and it really was the worst part of the movie going experience for me. true it wasn't like the others, and true it wasn't four hours long (like kong), and it wasn't the phoenix saga with lilandra and the shiar and all that sh@#, but it was a GREAT comic book movie. and the fact that harry hates it just proves he is a completely biased and unreliable source. i mean first off kong is the best movie of 2005? there was a great movie under there somewhere, unfortunately i couldn't see it for all the unneeded fluffy special effects. And by the end of the movie, i seriously didn't care what happened. BUT NOW Xmen TLS is crap? that's hilarious. everyone in the theater i was in was entertained except the before mentioned supergeeks, and everyone with me (including noncomic book fans) loved it. Harry, your opinion no longer has any merrit as far as i'm concerned. i'm done here.
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..i expected it to be mediocre but i honestly didn't think it would be downright bloody terrible. Still, considering Fox's history for shitting on their own franchises, it shouldn't have come as a surprise.
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A bit premature, but still: where does it go? Sure, there's a Wolverine project in the works, and a rumored Magneto movie as well--but where does the X-world go next? Predictions, speculations, rants.
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You're telling me Marsden's asking price was so high it's the reason he was killed off? LOL... L-O-F'n-L!!!
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"I'm the Juggernaut bitch!"
I live for moments like that.
The movie had its problems, but for those were few and far between. Rattner's film lacks the style and atmosphere of the bryan singer films, however, "Last Stand" is big dumb fun. Which is what the xmen has always been to me. I could have used more shots of individual mutants using their unique powers (more of limb replacement guy, and less of wire fu choreagraphing) I could have done without halle berry's inadequete portrayal of storm, and scott's death seemed to fal short. While watching that part of the movie, i kept recutting itin my mind so that it would make more sense. But as soon as Magneto took down that convoy, I waspleased as punch. I've enjoyed Singer's take on the movies, but I've always wanted to see him take it to the extreme. And while The Last Stand pushed the limits a little more, I can't help but imagine what Singer would have done with it.
That said, my heart broke in two when jean killed prof. X, when wolverine killed jean, and i actully yelped when magneto moved that chess piece.
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I have no problem with anyone who thought the movie was good. Personally I thought it was ok, but highly suspect it it will suffer upon repeat viewings. Anybody who thought the movie was 'great' in any way is out of their f'ing mind or a Fox mole. At best it was thread bare but managed to hold it together and entertain. I dont think you should go throwing out praise for managing not to suck when set up to fail. That just encourages the grass f*&^ers to do it again and again. Call em out, dont see it twice, dont take your little brother, dont buy the DVD.
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I said Marsden took a meatier part in "Superman" first, not that they couldn't pay the guy. But FOX could not make a fourth movie and pay Jackman, Berry, Stewart, et al all at the same time. Hence, they're killed off or won't return and the X-franchise is splintered into less-expensive movies about individual characters (Wolverine, Magneto, etc.)
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why do they let him come to the school at the end? Aren't they all then getting the cure if he is at the school and rendering them powerless?
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This site had actual cool news, and had it first...and wasn't just a forum for bitching about how a movie wasn't the way it was "supposed" to be.
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Leech's power-sucking power isn't permanent - the "cure" is (maybe). I'm sure Rogue would want him somewhere in the vicinity so she could finally bone Iceman.
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"All of the deaths in "X-Men 3" were basically meaningless, as far as I know. They're there because FOX can't afford these actors' salaries anymore." You didn't mention any names here, so I assumed you were just talking about Marsden and Stewart.
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So wait, FOX has paid Jackman, Berry, Stewart, et al for three movies, they've made a bucketload of money, and suddenly they can't afford to make a fourth movie?
What is wrong with you? You're a nerd. Surely you did maths. I presume you used to masturbate to the quadratic solution at some point. So what the fuck is your malfunction?
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I just watched MTV2's "Where the music's at!" (lol) X3 special and he said that Stewart and Mckellan were unknowns to American audiences. Ummmm HELLO? STAR TREK??? Even people that didn't watch Trek could identify him as the bald captain of the "Star Trek Enterprise". Also he mentioned that the Wolverine flick is nearing the final draft stage of the script. Regarding Leech, he was given his own cure. At least thats what I assume do to his hair growning back. Hell, I don't know.
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He's giving his opinion as a FAN. Which is, rememeber, the point of this site...
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The film was fantastic. lean and mean. there is no other way the this movie could have gone-it needed this crescendo, otherwise the whlole thing would have been a whole lotta foreplay.
i think ratner and more importantly simon crane brought more energy to the material-finally mutants get to do stuff!-it is an x men movie after all.
the audience were loving it-cheering, laughing at all the right moments.
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...didn't have to go get the cure. She could've waited until that little shit came to the X-school and just made him sit beside the bed while she and bobby fuck like rabbits.
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I hadn't heard that. Your mention made me Google it. I think HBC will be a great Bellatrix LeStrange.
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Hugh and Brett keep hammering that IT AIN'T HAPPENIN'. Stewart has kinda been wishy washy on the subject. And Halle Berry told Matt Lauer flat out, she'd do another one. Please let it be X4-The Search For Cyclops. Like I said before, what if that was actually Madelyne Pryor, not Jean Grey, and theres still a chance to save the Phoenix saga. ;)
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In my opinion when you start calling people who liked a movie that you didn't like "apologists," you have gone over the line from reasonable film discussion into the wonderful world of lunacy. I understand you guys feel very deeply about your religion, but movies are still a subjective form of art/entertainment/whatever you want to call it and it is possible for reasonable people to have completely different reactions to the same one. Hell, Pauline Kael hated 2001, she was still a hell of a smart lady. To put it into your terms, I'm sure you have some friends who think Superman is WAY more awesome than Wolverine, or that Dr. Who could defeat C3PO, and you disagree. SO FUCKING WHAT. It doesn't mean they are serving some dark agenda for whichever shadowy figure you blame for the poor draftsmanship on page 4 of Absolutely Amazing X-Men #328. Geez, I'll never understand why people liked that stupid movie Wedding Crashers so much, but I'm not gonna call them "apologists." I just don't have the same standards for comedy they have. So some of us liked the movie and you hated it. That's what happens. We can still be friends, unless you keep taking it so personally in which case maybe you could stick with your other friends and I'll stay over here. But the point is, chill the fuck out buddy. You think Professor X would've called Wolverine a Magneto apologist if he admitted he liked Magneto's helmet? You're defiling his memory.
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Yeah, having Leech sitting next to the bed would have worked, but so would a full body condomn as seen in The Naked Gun. :P
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Could've sworn i heard Halle say she was finished with superhero-ing. Ah well, either way she's not really vital to the franchise. But if she's gone, she should just be absent (nightcrawler style) and not D-E-D dead.
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Get a life. Since you don't even know Halle Berry is NOT doing another superhero movie EVER, I think we can take the rest of your "expertise" with the same grain of salt. This installment cost $150 million for FOX to make. The easiest way to cut costs? Actors' salaries, which for Jackman and Berry at least, reach into tens of millions of dollars. STFU and die, mmkay?
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I liked the movie as a whole, but it wasn't a good movie. Parts of it were good, but they were disconnected and poorly constructed.
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I feel like the acting, writing and design were all there, but the directing, cinematography, costume (at least for the Beast and the generic Brotherhood) was all off. Not that Singer's X-Men was perfect, but this just seemed... disjointed and, as my brother put it, "a collection of awkward scenes."
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Honestly, I don't have a problem with the changes - Pheonix's origin was appropriate and realistic for Prof. X (although I don't like his "I don't have to explain it" stuff), Juggernaut was fine Brittish and still COULD be Prof. X's brother (we didn't get to see them interact much, and who knows how many times they met before), Callisto's new powers helped her face Storm without the "no powers" rule, etc.
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But, there was too much death. I don't mean Wolverine finally stabbing a buncha people, Pheonix killing a buncha people (not even a fraction of how many she killed in the comics)... but killing so many major characters at once... well, it made their deaths seem cheap. Heck, some of the human deaths seemed to carry more impact than one of the main characters.
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I did like Pheonix endsong, but not who was there when it happened.
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Despite some people disliking it... this was my favorite line: "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"
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Honestly, "last stand" or no, I think there could be more movies. (Warning: Goofy fanboyish ideas ahead)
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No more Magneto though. His story is told.
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Professor X could do what he did after the Brood struck him in the comics...
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As for the rest... I could see X-Men: Survival as a viable title, pit the regrouped X-Men (drop Storm and Beast, add a few others) against the rising Apocalypse... but don't do it all at once. The first movie, for example, could pit them against Sinster and his Maruaders (perhaps even a young card player to take Rogue's heart away), and reveal the villain's creation of a testtube baby from two very well known parents........ and his fear of a greater threat on the horizon.
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Honestly, I think these kinds of franchise films could work as a series of trilogies with different casts reprising roles (though Patrick Stewart is the best Prof. X) and different thematic arcs connecting the films.
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The first three films were about the philosophical difference between Prof. X and Magneto, the next three could be about the struggle against the forces of nature (extinction) and the acceptance of them (evolution). And so on.
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I feel the same about Spider-Man. The first three followed the progression of the Osborn story. I feel Venom should be left for a second trillogy (with a new cast, including leads).
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.. except for the part about Wedding Crashers. That is all.
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They're going to introduce Apocalypse, Sinister, the real Dark Phoenix, the Brood, Blob, Onslaught, Omega Red, Shadowking, Quicksilver, Emma Frost, and Sugarman. Then, they'll throw in Venom, Moleman, Doom, Franklin Richards, Electro, Blade, Count Chocula, and Solid Snake just for EXTREME factor.
All of these characters will have less than 4 lines COMBINED.
Oh, and every dies, comes back to life, has an orgy, finds their long lost second cousins removed, and they all team up to fight God and his army of Gary Coleman clones at the end.
This was pretty much the garbled trash of X-3, but they can kick it up a notch. Here's to hoping that they actually learn a thing or two and dont make a cash cow piece of crap like this monstrosity ever again. -
lol that's what I was thinking! Although Rogue sucks people's powers too. Maybe they'd cancel each other out. Oh well, I guess she'll have to stick to the shower head...
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Also earlier in the thread someone tried to call people who liked the film "Ratner apologists" which is also bullshit. Nearly every review has absolved Ratner of everything but coming into the project late. Some crazy fanboys just need something to whine about
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I didn't realize that was you.
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http://tinyurl.com/zq343 SHH!: So no more comic book superheroes for you?
Berry: Nope. I think I'm done. When you play one like this to play another one would be going backwards at best at this point. I don't think I can beat it so why try. -
She told Matt Lauer, Wednesday? That she would do another. Looks like shes just as wishy washy as Stewart.
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I already know what they've done to several characters in the film and it blows. Any review I could possibly give "X-Men: The Last Stand" would be extremely biased, as I'm a longtime fan of the comics and don't appreciate the slapdash way the material was treated by greedy Rothman and the grudge-holding suits at Fox. Therefore, I'll not see the film.
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Back from the dead?
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If FOX actually goes forward with X-MEN 4, I'm guessing she'd have to do one of those Nicholson/Batman back-end profits deals, because they almost couldn't afford her this time around. Jackman, too. Like I said earlier, I think they've already decided to axe the team franchise and set up some movies with each character. I won't be able to see it until tonight, but from what I've read, Ratboy and the screenwriters have pretty much driven a stake into the heart of the team franchise - probably at FOX's behest, as it was getting too expensive. If FOX actually makes X-Men 4 (at a cost of probably $200 million, which is what "Superman Returns" is costing), then I'll eat my words.
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Many seem to be gloating that the movie was "GREAT!!! Loved it!!!" and then talk about why Harry is stupid or people who don't like it are lunatics. I understand now, you guys want to be on a team or an opposing side. So when one person says they like it (Superman Returns) you all go "That looks fucking gay". But when someone says something looks bad you all go "No it was fucking AMAZING". I understand now you're all mindless tools. Seriously you guys get a real opinion and open your fucking eyes. X3 was market garbage, something Fox put barely any time and just enough money into. I for one am pissed as should all the movie going public because actually there should have been a better movie made. They should have released this next summer with at least an hour and fifty minute running time to give us some character depth. But whatever you guys want bottom of the barrel movies that's fine I just hope one day you guys wake up because no one deserves this type of shit in the movies.
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May 26, 2006 12:52:03 PM CDT
You assholes would have whined if Dark Phoenix was cut
by performingmonkey
If they had cut the proposed Dark Phoenix storyline, like Harry suggested, everyone would have gone crazy, so don't blame them for keeping that storyline, even if it was impossible to do it justice in this movie. This is probably the last X-Men movie for years and years (apart from any lame spinoffs that may or may not arise). Get over it or go home to mommy.
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With all the aliens and the eating of the sun - it wouldn't have fit into the already established world of the first two films. Here's the real question, you're buddies with Singer, ASK HIM what his plans were. He obviously had some ideas of where he was going to go with Phoenix... Was he going to make it an intergalactic adventure?
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With all the aliens and the eating of the sun - it wouldn't have fit into the already established world of the first two films. Here's the real question, you're buddies with Singer, ASK HIM what his plans were. He obviously had some ideas of where he was going to go with Phoenix... Was he going to make it an intergalactic adventure?
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In an earlier post, Negative Man asked Harry how he would bring the complicated Phoenix Saga to the screen. In his reply, Harry avoided answering the question with how he would do it, so I'll substitute for Harry and say how I would do it. I would start off were Singer left off in the second film, the lake were Jean died. I would have an underwater team searching for Jean's remains( constant radio traffic between those on the ground and those underwater would reveal that they are looking for the remains of Jean Grey but not why) On the ground and on Ship, we see men in full cold weather gear, with weapons, wearing modified face mask that remind us of the masks the Hellions wore in the comics. They secure the body on ship and run test to find out she is some how still alive, her power levels are spiking also.( Possible explanation, her repressed(by Xavier) mutant abilities resurfaced at the time of death and put her in a mentally created cocoon (borrowing a little from the comic) as a protective measure. They take the body to HellFire Estates in New York, home of the famed HellFire Club. The movie would go back and forth from these events to past events of Charles and Mags meeting Jean as a child. Charles deciding to put blockers on her abilities etc. Also would touch on present day happenings at the X-mansion, how Scott and Logan were handling her apparent death etc.Back at the HellFire Club, they use Mastermind mental abilites to slowly bring Jean mind back to reality, using his peaceful illusions to keep her latent powers controlled and slowly bring her under their thrall.The HellFire Club hope by controlling the worlds most powerful mutant they'll be able to achieve even greater power than they already have. Finding their brain washing successful, they decide to present Jean to the world as their new Black Queen at their annual Victorian Ball.( The members of the club would wear current clothing styles throughout the rest of the movie)The week long event is televised is this is how the X-men find out that Jean is alive.Charles informs them of what he did to Jean when she was younger.( the X-men can't believe this and leave Charles all alone in his office with his head sunken.)Scott and Logan decide to lead a team of X-men to rescue Jean.Scott will take the team in for a frontal attack as a distraction, while he'll instruct Logan to do what he does best( Black Op's stuff) and head for the sewers to find another way to Jean)Scott lead the team brilliantly but his mostly inexperienced team are taken down leaving him to really show his stuff. Standing alone and almost single handidly taking down the Elite members of the Club. He is finally taken out by Jean.While in the Sewers, Logan runs into the hellion security force, a fight ensues,( many against one) the hellions finally blast him with hundreds of bullets and he goes down into the watery sewage. They walk away thinking he's dead, and Logan slowly rises covered in grim and sewage( this must look as close to Bryne's classic redition as possible) to kick the holy shit out of the Hellions.Logan finds the X-men and releases them,they head outside to the front lawn of the Estates after the Club and Jean. A new battle begins and Jean and the others are really handing it to the X-men when Charles shows up and tries struggles to but his blocks back in place. This intense conflict finally causes full Phoenix effect( flame and all guys) Jean flys off and demolishes half of New York City, seven million people dead. Charles and the X-men pick up the pieces and start to plan away to stop Jean. (Charles bring in Magneto.Pretty much stating, you helped me built Cerebro help me devise something to contain Jean)In response to the devastation, the government unleashes the Sentinal Program to stop Jean and also round up all Mutants for registration. Scott and Logan decide to head off on their own to save Jean from the government and the Sentinals.(Male bonding and growth of their relationship occurs here)They stand side by side fighting soldiers and Sentinals.Magneto, Charles and the X-men show up to lend a hand and also stop Jean. They have devised a dampner which when placed on a mutants neck blocks their powers. After a fierce battle, the dampner is in place and Charles replaces the blocks bringing Jean back to normal. This gives Jean time to reunite with Scott and Logan but the Blocks began to fail and the dampner is destroyed by the remergence of her Phoenix powers. Still not fully powered, Jean asks Scott and Logan to kill her? After some emotional distress, Logan guts her and Scott blast her with his eye beams. The only death in the story. Jean again...but the movie going public and comic geeks are used to her dying again and again and again and again.......
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"After some emotional distress, Logan guts her and Scott blast her with his eye beams." That is some real poetry there dude. ;-) I like that.
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I haven't written on this site in some time. I think Pearl Harbor was my last entry. But reading the shit on here is blowing me away. I agree with many talkbackers who are surprised people like it so much. IAs someone who has a deep love of the first two I want to start off by saying, No, I didn't hate this one. It was an entertaining movie for all its worth. The sequence in Jean's house was kinda badass, and I thought Shadowcat was used fairly well but there are too many things I agree with Harry about. (though my hatred is nowhere near as deep. Also note this is something of a defending Harry's position review so let the gay jokes and whatnot begin...if you're gonna be a dick about it) Why do you people come to AICN? To bitch? To call its moderators fags? Sure the guys may not be on our level anymore, they've gotten connections and are moving on to bigger and better things but they are geeks first and foremost, a title I hold with pride, and if any of you consider yourself fans of xmen the comic or hell even the previous films I can see how you were entertained but I cant see how you could be without a bitter taste in your mouth. This movie truly shit upon greatness in my opinion. How can anyone say they did these characters justice? (note: ratner is only getting blame for some less than creative directing other than that I got no beef, my blame is in the screenwriters) I know to many of you nothing I say will change your opinion one way or another so all this is doing is setting me up for getting flamed, but you know what? so what. This movie ruined all potential that the second one set up. This could have been a masterpiece. One talkbacker mentioned a streamlined version of the pheonix saga, that could have worked in a single go, I would have supported that more than the way it was treated as a fucking afterthought in here. its like cure cure cure...oh yeah shit thats right she's pheonix, lets do something with her. To use one ofthe many gotos for this site and explain my feelings in a sexual analogy it was like seeing this incredibly hot girl undressing and begging for my cock (X2), and then a few minutes into blowing me she passed out and then woke up and ran away (X3) sure it was great for those first few minutes, and would make for an interesting discussion later but it just leaves you feeling completely unfulfilled. So seeing people defending the places the movie went is kinda like "well dude at least she sucked you off for a little while. thats awesome right" I guess...in a fucked up way Im saying X3 left me with blue balls. It was a tease. Its not disappointing because it wasn't the movie we wanted (seriously thats such a fucking stupid defense...if you're disappointed by any movie ever obviously its not the movie you wanted) hell X1 & X2 weren't the movies I wanted but I loved the movies I got. So yes im upset that I didnt get the movie I wanted , less because it wasn't what I think I would have done, and more just that what they did do didn't live up to the potential of the comics or the characters or the previous movies. They have never been just mindless action stories, they strove for more,and got preachy as hell many times I might add, but they were still about more than just setup for cool effects (ok some characters were) But back to the point... Those who say we bitched and should shutup cause they gave us what we wanted are idiots. they showed us beast but we didnt get beast, juggernaut was onscreen, or some facsimile of him was, but that wasn't juggernaut. hell it wasn't even wolverine or rogue. I don't care if they change the origins, or some character traits here and there, just do them justice. wolverine IS NOT CYCLOPS, but in this movie that's pretty much his role. And its unwarrented. Wolvie even in just the previous 2 movies wouldn't have reacted by crying in a hug with storm. he would have gone apeshit berserker and went out and just started killing everyone he could. And dont give me any "its him maturing or its character growth" or some shit. If they had show wolvie in a scene where he seriously gets calmer (therapy secssions or somethign) or hell even gave us a moment that could suggest prof X went into wolvies mind and screwed with him to make him a much calmer person, I could accept it. as is wolvie is the loner, not the leader. Its things like that, people acting so out of character even in the world established in the first films. Sure magneto probably would have let mystique go but not so coldly. Its just little moments that tainted even the ones I enjoyed. I actually was entertained by the action sequences if thats how I must take the film, and I think at this point thats how I'll have to, because I can't honestly call this an xmen film. its an actioner that uses similar characters, but these are not the xmen I hold dear. if they work for you, good, glad you liked it, support a sequel that could maybe get the series back to a level I could love again. And yes...I do hold them dear. Im glad I hold them dear. If I still had my xmen shirts from when i was a kid I'd wear them proudly now because I have a passion for it. I think thats ultimately what gets me about those of you attacking those of us for being upset with how they did the characters. Yes we know its a movie, or a comic, or a game. Yes we may take some of the things more seriously than they merit, but you kow what, these things hit a nerve with us. We appreciate what they gave us in life if even just stupid entertainment. If you guys can't get that, can't see that, can't understand how someone can be angered by something they love being done a disservice as we see it, then seriously join the other idiots on the IMDB boards. This site to me is basically for those who have no shame in expressing their anger or love over this shit and if you have nothing you can do that over. nothing that brings out your passion and can make you willing to gush like a jackass or piss and whine like a bratty little shit, then for my part I wish you'd just shut the fuck up. Get off your "I'm better than you cause I dont get affected by shit" horses (worse than high horses) and get the hell out. I dont care if you guys loved it, I dont care if you hated it, or are just kind of inbetween on the whole thing. Just stop being so fucking dispassionate about it. Anyways, I've lowered myself to the same name-calling level now. I've ranted, and preened, and sounded like anything form a tool to a douchebag, (or a douche toolbag) as per this site im expected to get called plenty of names in the next few hours, go right ahead. cause the ones of you who do that are the ones this is directed to. and I'm glad I could add more fuel to your flame. enjoy the fodder, asshats. I'm gonna go watch Samurai Jack.
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from everyone who isn't a comic-book crazed maniac like the tools who write for this site. Move out of your parents' basement and enjoy movies for what they are instead of comparing every scene to page 22 of issue 103-B.
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Just want to add, apologists should have been in quotes, cause I hate that fucking term. I got no problem with people who liked the movie, just those who only seem to use this site to cut down people who do take pasionate opinions....how redundant though. I know. stupid long ass post of mine.
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any!?!! cause i sure as shit didnt
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I think Chris "Tommy Boy" Farley said it best...
If you want me to take a shit and put it in a box marked "guaranteed" I will, I've got spare time.
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shut up, i LOVED that page. i mean, WOW... Who knew that Jean Grey could bend like that?!
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Dude, when I see that much gray, I just keep scrolling till I see purple again. Nothing perosnal, I'm just too A.D.D. to read anything that long.
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definately not as good as X1 or X2, but good nonetheless; definately well worth your time. some things are rushed and undercooked, but overall its an exciting and engaging film. clearly Singer would have made a better movie, but Ratner does an admirable job and pulls it altogether rather well; even if he places more emphasis on action than characterization, there is enough of both to hold the thing together; a solid offering with some flaws. in short, don't listen to the "haters", they're full of shit. i think the X3=Return of the Jedi analogy is apt: both are good, though flawed, movies which succeed on some levels, disapoint on others, but overall are worthy and fun movies well worth your time. looking forward to the inevitbale X4: THE NEW MUTANTS!
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...number is just what I expected. Even the good reviews point out that X3 pails in comparison to the first two. I guess Singer raised the bar that high. Anyway...I am sure I will at least like it on some level right?
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It's rambling and pointless. Basicaaly here's the short and sweet version. I just hate the people on this site who sound like they think they're better than others because they don't get passionate about movies, or games, or comics or something. That unadulterated geeky passion is why I love this site and I'd much rather read debates and opinions (of which this film should justifiably split on either side) rather than a bunch of jackasses attacking those of us who get impassioned over it. I was pissed about it for a few minutes despite enjoying the movie and put my comments on here, said my bit, and thats that. If it makes you feel better to call me a loser because of that go ahead.
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a brilliant little thesis. This film a a train wreck (a more comprehensive report on why I feel that way coming later) that doesn't deserve adolation that will only get more awful films like it made. I can't believe anyone likes it, although I'm not entirely convinced alot of these people aren't plants or 13 year olds.Until I can give a better explaination of why its a terrible film I would just encourage people to think for two seconds about the movie, the TV movie bad action, the boring characters, the laughable randomness of everything that occurs (mutant cure, Jean randomly coming back to life....),killing off characers not only needlessly but anti climactically, and last but not least the HORRIBLE cliche dialogue. Oh well, in a year or so people always look back and say "what the hell was I thinking?"
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First off, The moview was just OK. Not as horrible as I thought it would be but not nearly as good as the first two. There was also no reason not to have the fire Phoenix F/X when she's doing her apocolyptic shit. Ian McKellen basically carries the movie (thank god).
The endings (before and after credits) were the equivelent of the "?" that came up with the end credits of every 50s horror movie. Just a total cop-out. It's a shame because the last image of Magneto as a feeble old man in the park was powerful. -
Please, please stop with the plant thing. I swear, the fucking egos on some of these pricks. FOX doesn't need to send its minions to sing the film's praise on this site. The hype alone
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Get your head out of your ass and quit insulting people for liking something you didn't like.
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I agree that the image of Magneto, looking powerless, feeble and alone (without Charles to play chess with) was a powerful image. Wish that scene had ended just .5 seconds before it did. Also, I may be explosing my own idiocy here, but did anyone else catch the irony in Mags saying a needle would never touch his skin again, and then he gets four of 'em in the chest? Nice touch.
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I loved the movie. I thought it handled the idea of what the Phoenix was perfectly within the bounds of the movie series' reality. I didn't see Jean as being Mag's stooge, I just saw her as being very aloof and more or less uncaring one way or another. I've read the Phoenix Saga and frankly, I've always hated the X-Men's outer space missions. If I wanted outer space exploits, that is what the Fantastic Four was for. X-Men originally was, and should always have been, an allegory to discrimination and acceptance, and the different paths to take.
Some telepath who gets overtaken by a telepathic alien energy being and can devour galaxies is ridiculous to the extreme...
However, an Omega level mutant who is a danger to herself and others unless "locked" against her will is a much more "realistic" take and fits more in line with the spirit of the original comics.
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damn my hunt-and-peck typing
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the rest of the movie was just meh. Way too short, way too little development, way to lazy/flimsy plot. Rothman should suffer for this. But whatever, it came out, and it's over, maybe it can rest for a while and we'll get someone in Fox or wherever it ends up to do things better. (AND I DON'T MEAN THAT RIDICULOUS ALIEN PHOENIX STORY... THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT DON'T WORK IN MOVIE FORMAT, AND THAT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS!)
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A comic? No? A movie about people with superpowers? Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know we were dealing with such a serious issue. I better put my phone on do not disturb and write to my congressman.
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No, I didn't put together the two needles reference. Good eye! I actually wonder if the filmmaker's did either. This wasn't exactly a "deep" movie. It was like a Seinfeld episode: "Cyclops is dead!..... Let's get some coffee".
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I guess, since this fact is important to most people on here, I need to state that I am a long-time comic book geek. I loved the X-men comics and remember the days of spending my lunch money to buy the latest issue. I have a deep love for these characters and their stories. I'm not 13-years old...but rather, 3 times that age. I really enjoyed the first two installments of this franchise...and despite all of the negativity I've heard on this site in the past few months regarding X3, I walked away from the theater today deeply satisfied. I suppose that with a fanbase as rabidly devoted as x-men fans, they expect a higher standard of film-making than most Academy Award voters. Perhaps that is the source of the negativity that is seething in these TB's. I'm sure I'll have many haters slam me for my positive comments and I may even be worthy enough to wake the sleeping giant known as Harry. I loved the original dark phoenix saga in the comics, but that is such a prolonged story arc that I knew it would never translate to celluloid. So, does the studio go on with the franchise and leave out all reference to phoenix, or do they minimalize it to at least give a nod to all the fans who want a taste of the fury of phoenix. Quite frankly, I'm glad this is how they handled it. As for the needless and random deaths...well...I actually walked out of the theater reminded of one of my favorite X-men story arcs, "the marvel mutant massacre." In fact it brought back images that I had long since forgotten...(yes, I remember distinctly turning the page of my comic and tears falling from my eyes as I gazed upon the image of Warren Worthington crucified in the sewers by Javelin)...overall, this film reminded me of why I loved the comics...why I loved the characters. I enjoyed watching Bobby finally come into his own...I was thrilled to see my favorite mutant, Kitty handle herself against the Juggernaut...I was excited to watch the growth of Pyro from a troubled young punk to down-right evil...I was saddened to watch rogue make her decision....I was saddened to see the look on Mystique's face when Magneto turns his back on her....I was saddened to watch Magneto witness his friend's death. So hate me for enjoying this movie. The fact is, for as many great X-men story lines, there were some real duds as well...but I kept buying my issues...month after month. If you didn't like this chapter, wait for the next one. To be perfectly honest, I was much more satisfied by this film than I was by X2. so there, let the hating begin!
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Why the hell wouldn't most of these mutants want to take the cure? I could understand if you look normal. But if you're blue or have a tail, shit yea! Of course Rogue would take the cure. Her only power in the movie was she couldn't get laid without killing the guy. No super strength, no fligt, just celibacy. Iceman is so getting laid right now!
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I really hope that no more X Men films are made. I hope that the Wolverine and Magneto films don't get made either, because if the same imbeciles who were pulling the strings on X3 were involved we can expect more of the same rubbish. Now, some of you are saying just enjoy this film as a film, and not compare it to the comic. But when looking at it like that, it is still a poorly made film and I'm surprized that more of you haven't realised this. And as for Negative Man claiming that this was a 'solid movie'; I really hope that I don't have the misfortune to watch something that you've wrote. Go back and re-read your McKee, you sorely need to. Anyway, as a comic fan and as a film fan, I found X3 lacking all round. Fair enough, a literal adaptation of the Dark Pheonix Saga may not have been possible, but it could have been adapted into a quality two film storyline instead of the soulless nothingness that was presented here. It truly shows that Fox Studio has no respect for this material and they simply do not deserve to continue this franchise. What a waste...
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prisonrulez, you're right on the money. Lots of good, memorable, emotional moments. I really liked that line Mags gave, walking away from Mystique. I also liked him shouting "Charles!" as the prof got vaporized.
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"I'm Rick James BITCH!"
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I was hoping the film was not as bad as the early reviews would have me think..I was wrong.This is like falling face first and breaking youre face just before the goal line.If you know nothing about the x-men,the history of it,or who these characters are(or rather who they are supposed to be)the film is ok. For the fans of the Singer films,and the comics,or even the cartoon series it`s a hard kick in the balls.I can`t,for the life of me imagine how Stan Lee or eny of the other folks at Marvel could ok something like this.It`s one thing to want to end the series(don`t know why they want to do that either) but to kill it like they do in the last stand is just sad.And sadness is the one word that sums up how the film made me feel.I can`t knock B-Rat for the directing.He just did what the powers asked of him.The writers , on the other hand I wish all would get testicular cancer.The dialog was rubbish ,and the pase of the film was unnecceseraly fast.Nothing that happens get`s too sink inn.It`s like they just really want too get to the (anti)climax of the film,and that,like the rest of X3 blows. I can only hope that Fox begs Bryan Singer too do the Days of future past storyline,so they can get back on track.With all of the other Marvels coming too the silver sceen soon ,I did have a small hope that they would use the onslaugth story to end the whole deal.X3 destroyed that dream.There is nothing more too say that has not already been said. This is truly a sad ,sad day......
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People would cry Terminator rip-off. Yet another example of a comics storyline that won't translate.
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Dude you know Iceman popped that cherry... Even though Anna Paquin looked a helluva lot cuter in X1 (before she had that huge noggin), Shadowcat looked like straight-up jailbait.
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...is not what I'm judging it on. Its what's there, on screen. It was boring. Didn't look good, at all. Of course, that's just my opinion. There were people in the audience who seemed to like it. Obviously, there are people here who like it as well. That is what only seems to matter. The majority. Especially if its positive. I don't know what I'm doing. There's no point to this. You like it, I don't. The majority always outweighs the minority, no matter what. Perhaps that's what's holding us back. But, who cares. Its just a movie. So, I join you brothers and sisters. I embrace the sense of community, of purpose. God has given us this right. Sieg Heil!
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Easily the best of the three - go back and watc how Singer (can't) handle fight sequences - the climax of this movie was pure comic-to-film gold!!!
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Phoenix kills Professor X and Wolverine kills Phoenix. Stay for a BIG SURPRISE involving Professor X and a comatose body after the credits!
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I literally couldn't wait to get home and put down my thoughts to this movie. What a joke! This movie is a disappointment on the biggest scale. There was so much promise this movie could've carried through on. But it failed. It tried to balance the Phoenix storyline and Cure storyline when it should've just picked one and focused on it. Honestly, the fx were the only good thing about it and they were shabby at certain points. I'm surprised w/ Weta. I think regular fans will give this a pass as a summer popcorn movie. But even the fans in my showing were laughing at times. It's really not a good movie. As a fan of X-Men and the comics the film was a slap in the face! It gave the finger to the X-Men mythology- both in the comics AND the previous two movies. Characters are killed off and we don't even get to see it. Then 20 minutes pass by before they're even made mentioned of again?! What's going on here? They kill off Prof. X and then don't even have the guts to keep him dead. The scene at the end of the credits brought a chorus of boos from my matinee showing. Magneto's fate was hurtful as it was a complete slap in the face. Terrible ending for such a great character. Losing his powers? Come on now! Wolverine was nurtured. He was paper thin this time around and honestly, a total betrayal to his real character. Storm was better and given more to do but the problem is this: Halle Berry is not Storm! No offense to her. But it's like having Patrick Stewart play Wolverine. Just b/c she's a black female doesn't make her Storm! Angela Bassett should've been Storm! Halle is not Storm and it doesn't matter how she acts, the script, fx, or whatever. She's not Storm. Iceman vs. Pyro was a joke of a fight! The love triangle of Kity Pride/ Iceman/ and Rogue was totally underdeveloped. It led nowhere. All the good things the beginning of the film promises are all sold out by the end. The movie was way too SHORT! An hour into it and they were getting ready for the final battle. Come on! Juggernaut was another slap in the face! They totally nurtured him too! The Angel storyline went nowhere. A waste of potentially good material. Leech was corny. Beast was cool but underused big time. Again, the story should've been about either the Cure or Phoenix. I'd prefer Phoenix. Focus on that. They didn't and even what they did focus on was a total betrayal of the mythology. What a waste. AND CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW IN ONE MOMENT IT'S DAYLIGHT AND THEN 2 SECONDS LATER IT'S MIDNIGHT!!!! When Magneto and the Brotherhood arrive at Alcatraz it's afternoon. Two seconds later it's pitch black! Horrible!! Ratner was not the primary cause of this debacle but he had a hand in it. The directing was OK. Not bad but certainly not very good. There was no emotional weight to the movie. The entire subplot on mutants and analogies to racism and homophobia... all those concepts were glossed over. No depth whatsoever. It totally sold out the layers the previous two movies built up. The script. It was horrible to be quite honest. Too short. Bad jokes. Bad lines. No depth. I like the guys who wrote it. They seem cool, especially in that interview over at Chud.com. But I have to say that I was disappointed big time by the script. Fox must be blamed big time for this sham. Tom Rothman should be ashamed of himself. Rushing this movie set off the chain reaction for all the mediocrity involved with this film. Man, what a disappointment. What a slap in the face. How wack! The sad part is, this thing is going to make a mint, at least this weekend. My show was packed. It was a matinee so I know people must have taken off from work to go see this. Plus the movie is very very short. It will rake in the dough this weekend but once word gets out on this butthead movie I don't think people will give it a second viewing. I won't. BTW, the soundtrack was nothing great either. And I don't want to knock the director, writers, musicians, fx guys, etc. They did the best they could. The movie had promise. But when you are forced to do something with an inadequate amount of time to work, the result suffers. It's like trying to do a paper for school the night before. I'm sorry for such a long rant here. But this movie hurt. It hurt me as a fan of the comics and the mythology. It hurt me as a fan of the previous two movies. It hurt me as a fan of film in general because now studios realize that even with comic movies, they can piece together crap and rush it out to a salivating audience. Harry, you were right brother. You too Quint, Massawyrm, Mr. Beaks, etc. All you guys were right. Moriarty, you're my dog but we disagree on this one. This movie was a gut punch abomination. I'm actually hurt. The promise. The letdown. The betrayal.
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Anyone else have this image of him staring off into space in disbelief. Occasionally getting up and walking into walls and bursting out crying etc... I haven't seen it but I'm sure it's not Phantom Menace bad :-P
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You kept saying 'nurtured' when I'm pretty sure you meant 'neutured.' And Wolverine was not. He beat bitches up. He was a fucking killer, more so than last time around. Why was he 'nurtured,' just because he was somewhat of a father figure to the Lil X-Men? Dude, he's been portrayed that way in the comics on several occasions (to Jubilee and to Kitty, for example).. And I'll giv you a pass since you just got here, but its been said countless times today that Phoenix as it exists in comics continuity wouldn't work on film. And the day to night thing has been discussed at length. Your 'review' is really long and repetitive, and it was pretty hard to make it through the whole thing, but I did, just for you buddy. Glad you were able to type out your thoughts.
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Fuck it. To those who claim that this film is deviating from continuity well all I can say is, big fucking deal - so did the other two. As a person who has read a great deal of X-Men all I can say is I don't want to see things like the Shi'ar or Mojo in the films, I don't care about that, alot of that stuff doesn't even work in the comics. So if the argument is that's not exactly how it happened in the comics, what do you expect. What is important is that the films stay true to the characters, and that's where this film failed. Not always mind you - there are some fantastic scenes in this movie, scenes that carry real emotion. But Xavier was off the most of the film; I don't know how to explain this movie other than frustrating. I loved parts of it and detested others. And Halle Berry Sucks.
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You didn't like the movie. That much is clear. But don't be such a drama queen. "Oh, the betrayal!! Stabbed in the back!!!"
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GOOD: Lots of the smaller character moments. Magneto was great in this movie, for example. He's the only character that seemed dead on the money all the time, and McKellan did wonders with him. Stewart got a chance to do good work with the Professor this time, too, though his being-kind-of-a-dick really didn't have enough precedent in earlier films. Both opening flashbacks were excellent. The sequence at Jean's house was good, as was the sequence where Wolverine paces slowly toward her at the end. Everything at Alkali Lake was good--The action and effects in general were pretty badass. Mystique gets better with every movie. Kelsey Grammar was the perfect person for Beast. Did I mention Magneto rules? Oh, and seeing Pyro go up against Iceman was awesome, even if it could've stood to be longer. BAD: Many of the characters were simplified and stripped of what made them worthwhile in the first place. Pyro went from being an angry show-off to being, well, an evil prick. Jean's Phoenix persona could've been FAR more interesting. It *was* more interesting at first, when she killed Scott, when she nearly killed Logan. But after she killed the Prof, she became hardly more of a character than Yuriko was in the last movie. Rogue was given almost nothing to do, which was a shame. Kitty spent half the movie looking slightly confused, which is a shame 'cause I think the actress could've done the character real justice (and did in moments). I'm firmly in the camp that Beast would've been better off CGI--I liked getting to see him kick a little ass at the end, but he could've been *such* a visually dynamic character. Same goes for Angel, who mostly seemed slightly pathetic when he has such opportunity to be inspiring. Storm actually annoyed me less than before, if only because she seemed more consistent. If she'd been like this the whoel way through I mgiht've genuinely respected the direction they took her character. Scott... I actually liked Scott a lot in this movie, and it ticks me off we didn't get to see how he would handle the situation. Not least of all because without Cyclops they tried to force Wolverine into the inspiring leadership role, which just isn't where he fits. Moving beyond the characters, I agree with the complaints that this time, well, the X-Men werne't really.... right. When they showed up to defend the base at Alkatraz I really wondered what they were thinking. Not that I think they necesarilly made the wrong decision, but they just didn't really reveal why it was the right decision. They sia dthye were doign ti for Scott and the Professor--but would they really have approved of mutant-neutralizing cluster bombs? Shouldn't they have fretted more over FORCIBLY "curing" Magneto? They essentially did exactly what Beast and Storm had been so angry about the goverment doing before. There was a deifnite melodrama to this installment that wans't there before--many of the lines and moments that should have had impact were undermined by the score or the simple self-consciousness of how important a moment was when it wasn't. The cutaways to the President were a perfect example. Similarly, some of the witty one-liners and such weren't that witty or impactful, and just kinda slowed the movie down. Which is a shame because my final problem with the movie is that it was too short with too many quick cuts--in the end, I didn't feel like I'd watched a movie so much as a 100-minute trailer. A few extra minutes here and there, a few mor elingering shots, a little more time to digest, would've been greatly appreciated. So, all in all, it's a very mixed bag--somewhere above Fantastic Four but below X1, in my estimation.
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I couldn't be more excited for Superman Returns talkbacks...JUNE 30TH THE TB MADDNESS WILL BEGIN!!!!
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and I liked it. I didn't love it, but I did like it. I think Ian McKellen invested his performance with a great deal of ambiguity and sympathy. I liked the fact that it was actually possible to see things from Magneto's point of view. I liked Kelsey's portrayal of Beast. I like that the cure is depicted as it would really be, to some a crippling curse, to others the key to salvation. To those who are upset that it didn't follow the comics' continuity, this film isn't about the comics. It's only responsibility is to its two predecessors, and it does justice to them, I think.
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What'sup buddy. Thanks for the feedback. And you're right- I meant "neutured." I think my spellcheck on WORD messed me up. But thanks. Yeah I guess I'm late to the party. I haven't yet made it through all the earlier talkbacks. I guess I just had to type something down. It was more of a vent than a review. I feel your points. I just really didn't like the movie. It has potential but I felt like it just started to rush towards a conclusion. And yeah Logan was a beast fighting wise, but his character I felt was neutured in his actions and decisions.
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...in a movie called lord of the rings. ZING!
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I felt betrayed because I felt the movie sold out not only the comics but the two previous movies. It was almost like Blade Trinity in the sense that it A) brought the series to an unworthy end and B) deviated from themes, storylines, etc. of previous films in the series. That's maybe not the best example but you see what I mean. The movie wasn't horrible but it was really good either IMO.
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Yeah, I just mentioned this in Massa's TB... AICN might very well explode/implode when the Supes reaction hits. Can't wait!
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So, not only do you people expect us to eat dogshit and say "yum!" but now you say we can't call you people on pretending that isn't a plate of dogshit we're eating. Fuck that. Not to sound childish, but you people started it by calling us "Haters", which we're not. We just want a movie NOT TO SUCK. Is that so wrong? I guess so. So take your crappy quality Star Wars, X-Men, Fantastic 4, AvP, Hulk, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher and every other garbage genre movie and shove them straight up your collective asses, APOLOGISTS!
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That's neutered! NEUTERED! My bad folks... I can spell folks even though it doesn't look like it, lol
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...and to think I actually believed for a while after LOTR and SW that these types of super-polarized talkbacks would never return. This is why Talkback owns the Zone. If this is any indication, the Superman Returns TBs -- as previously mentioned -- will be fucking mayhem.
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well those who did as well already know, but for all you disgruntled fans who were as upset as I was to see Professor X oblitered into ash, guess what. He lives. How you ask? Lets just say it has something to do with that little video he showed to his students at the beginning, involving a perfectly healthy man without a "mind." In other words, open for rent. And magneto still has his powers. The pawn moved slightly before credit role. And the possibility for cyclops to be around in the sequels(y'know they'll make more) is there as well since we don't really see him die. As for what I thought of the film....meh. Beast kicked some ass at the end, angel did nothing but fly around(whoopty-shit) Colossus fastballs logan at an unseen sentinel and thats all the metal russian(?) does. Juggernaut's the only one who did some smashing, and if Colossus and him don't duke it out in future installments I'll be very dissappointed. Mangeto looks like a cowardly terrorist in that video he sends out and the Phoenix unleashed some hell on earth that was pretty fucking awesome to see. Though I was looking forward to her full fiery form that we got a hint at flying over the lake at the end of X2. Overall...meh. Simple eye-candy.
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go see it. it's not brilliant, in fact i agree with harrys assesment. but if you can put away your inner geek aside for a moment and watch it, you'll enjoy it.
It actually works well as a movie. i think its on par with x-men II . I think if it hadn't been rushed through it would have been superb. Amongst all the pointless deaths i was really rooting for storm to bite the bullet, but it just wasnt ment to be unfortunately. Check it out, you know you're gonna cause you've seen the other 2 dude! -
First and foremost, this movie reminds of how Superman 1 & 2 could have been done wrong. Take 2 great stories and try to tell them in 2 hours in 1 movie. Notice to Hollywood execs: SHOULD NOT BE DONE. This movie seemed like it was a movie about the cure, but they had to throw Jean Grey in there somehow.
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You have to commit yourself to one direction. And this movie never did. It
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i still can't get over that ludacris-sounding phrase. I loved this movie, but it really could have done without those two words.
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lol! This TB is producing some gold!
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3 things wrong with it..... they didnt need to kill off cyclops... and he would have made the whole movies better by being alive in the final battle, standing right between wolvie and pheonix.The ultimate love triangle. 2nd thing wrong... verne is right... Magneto is right! the Xmen dont really seem to think about what they're doing when they go off and stop the brotherhood. 3rd thing.....the stupid pointless rogue sub plot.... characters need to be tortured, not given a way out for good.
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lol...i was in my friends car earlier in the day yesterday bitching about how the movies have totally taken the wrong direction with rogue and how they totally "neutered" her character...little did i know that i would see them actuallly "neuter" her character like 8 hours later....
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I know this is blasphemy, and perhaps I'm just not old enough, but the original Superman flicks are complete shit, so please stop using them as examples of comic book films done right. Reeves as Clark Kent was fucking Velveeta. the guy had cheese coming out of his pores. And don't even get my started on Margot Kidder, what a shitty choice for Lois Lane. You could cut glass on that bitch's creepy, angular cheekbones. The special effects were horrible even compared to other films from the day, and Hackman hammed it up and made Lex Luthor and his gay little right-hand man into a lovable slapstick duo. Then there's the horrible supervillains and their fabulous leotards, and the leapin' logic in the plot department (Stopping the earth's couple-hundred-thousand-mile-an-hour rotation and spinning it in reverse makes time go backward?? Really?? Because I thought it would just kill every living thing on the fucking planet.) yeesh, I could go on, but I won't. Rant over.
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Why didn't they just have leech walk up to Jean at the end, rather than that ridiculous scene with logan getting ripped into, and healing over and over again...
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It's funny how they turned this into a grand homo opera.
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Because he couldn't have killed her, which is what needed to be done. Plus she would have atomized him long before he got close enough to sap her power. Logan (as you mention) could heal.
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Not to mention how awkward it owuld have been to say "Hey, kid, I know you're kinda shellshocked seein' as how you been locked up in Alcatraz and all.. but you see that crazy bitch over there with the red hair that's killing the fuck out of everybody? Can you do us a solid and go ask her to cut it out? We'll be right here. Thanks."
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...follow the same plot line." I've heard that A LOT lately. Did anyone notice SIN CITY???? Hand shit over to troublemaker studios if you want the comics to be the absolute end-all-be-all. So many great plot arcs dead and buried. could have been like a damn 007, pushing new characters and angles and plots every year...alas....
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People on here still bitched about Sin City, believe it or not.
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i'm still pissed about the lack of Colossus, and particularly the lack of a Colossus vs. Juggernaut battle. Colossus apparently is only good for moving TVs and mutant tossing. he's got a great future as either a furniture mover or at as a pitching machine at a batting cage. what a waste. the lack of a brawl between Colossus and Juggernaut makes me feel like Milhouse in the Poochie episode, when they introduce a fireworks factory, never get to it, prompting Milhouse to cry, "When are they gonna get to the fireworks factory!?" i can sympathize with you now, brother van houten.
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that would kind of defeat any arguement for continuity on this storyline... what did they bitch about?
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Some didn't like what had to hit the cutting room floor, or pieces of dialogue that weren't included, or the way it was pieced together, or some of the actors' performances, like Michael Madsen, Brittany Murphy or Jessica Alba (I have to admit Brittany Murphy caused some unintentional laughter on my part with how she delivered some of the lines)... Any way you slice it, some of these guys will never be pleased.. That's why I could give a fuck whether the continuity is followed or not, as long as what they do works... as many have said,(in X3's case) just think of it as another Marvel Universe, because that's what it is
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Logan just stick Jean with the cure instead of his claws? If he really loved her, wouldnt he have thought about that? He thought about that with Magneto, but not with her. She'll be human but at least she'll be alive. Then they get married and retire in an alkali lake house and be haunted by Scott's ghost, yeah?
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that halley berry is rubbish as storm and if there is a 4th installment, she should just be written out as abroad on holiday or something. Fox save some money, dont bother paying her
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Yea up and downs totally throughout the whole movie. Wasnt bad wasnt good. The cyclops shit pissed me off hardcore. Im the juggernaut bitch made me smile. We need a X-4 badly with some serious retconning. Retcons are huge in comics so it only makes sense to use it in a movie. bring back cy and make him bad ass. Oh and Harry totally got made fun of in Robot Chicken it was great and he was gay.
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Stick around after the credits. FUCK YOU, FOX!!!!
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Well, in a little less than 6 hours, I'll be in the theaters, with my popcorn, geek Wolverine shirt on and my sweaty palms in much aniticpation of this flick.
I've been following developments since the beginning and after reading all these threads . . . . .
I'm nervous.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE I hope I enjoy some of this flick. But reading some of the spoilers above, my blood pressure is already starting.
Harry . . . . I hope you weren't right on this one bro.
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will we be longing for the days of CGI and wire-fu?
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I'm going in a few hours after work... But I'm glad to see that Harry and crew are mostly vinidcated on this thread. Looks like the negative to positive reviews are running 80%, so looks like they've been right all along here. For the record I'm not expecting much but as a fan I just HAVE to see it, that and my wife knows nothing of the comics but still loved the first two so I'm interested to see how she reacts to it...
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"Damn, what an incredible waste of time and energy THAT was!" Just sayin'.
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I feel very qualified to report on this. I had every XMen comic included 3 Giant Size Xmen#1 when I used to collect. I know all the characters and the stories. So what did I think? Pretty good. Some parts rang false and some were just uncharacteristic of the previous movie characterizations(no way Magneto would have abandoned Mystique), but certainly show shades of the character thru the various writers of xmen comic years. Sometimes he was a 1 dimentional bad guy, sometimes a motivated leader, sometimes a good guy misunderstood. BR took a little from all of those, which gave it some inconsistancy, but I am forgiving. Just like I was when a different writer or artist took over the book. Some stories were better than others.
Phoenix was done well, as a side story. It wasn't the Phoenix full story of the books, but honestly, so what. I though the books had a cheezy ending (they were on the moon???? terrible idea) Without making it too ultraviolent, they managed to show her distructive power at the end, even though there wasn't a ton of emotional attachment. And speaking of which, if you go to this expecting a ton of emotional attachment, you're in the wrong movie. It's more of a fun, action movie, and it's about seeing glimpses of characters on screen that never made it before. If they had a billion $$$ to spend, then maybe they could make a 9hr trillogy with a ton of story and action sequences. Not gonna happen I'd wager.
Go see it looking to see some fun, some characters you've always wanted to see , and some story if you look hard enough. You'll be happy. I personally though it was great to see kitty in some sort of fight scene, as I always felt her power didn't come across all that good in the first 10 years of her character in the books. -
...prior to the end of the credits - I assumed that was who Magneto was playing chess with, even though he was no physically there.
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the crap out of X1 easy. and probably X2 for that matter. I don't know what was so wrong with it, sure they fucked the mythos but we've known that from the beginning. get over it. the comics will always be there, and now we have a differant interpretation. do all of you who hat the movie changing the x-men's backstory also piss on the Ultimates comics?
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So those who enjoyed it thought it was a good popcorn movie? Some even thought it was a great X Men movie. Why? You see there was million spent on this. Millions. It was made to get peoples money not to tell a story or entertain. It was made to advertise action figures. Now some people might think
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the "wrapped in psi energy cocoon" . professor x's wheelchair suriving the power of the phoenix ( thats a powerful wheelchair man!) the day into night scene on the bridge. the leaping mutants. the 6 or so x-men vs 100s of mutants. booby points out the obvious, logan says we can do it for the dream!. the facts that mutans have to queue outside the building to have their shots. mystique betraying mutant kind. logan and having a bit of rough and tumble on the hosiptal bed..hello i've been in a coma, but i want you now! i'm not ill honestly. the fact that angel just flies around high in the sky away from any action. storms terrible wire fu. infact everyones terrible wire fu. the fact that magneto is out playing chess. shouldn't he be in jail or something? the beast ridiculous fake blue hair. juggernauts fake body suit. the morlocks tattos and hairstyles.
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Colossus, shadow cat, cyclops abd iceman. you could have done away with storm and concentrated on the kids. I missed nightcrawler he should have been there with the team instead of storm.
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Logan just stick Jean with the cure instead of his claws? If he really loved her, wouldnt he have thought about that? He thought about that with Magneto, but not with her. She'll be human but at least she'll be alive. Then they get married and retire in an alkali lake house and be haunted by Scott's ghost, yeah?
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at least Bobby FINALLY "iced up" to become Iceman, even if it was only briefly.
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OK that was one funny as hell thing in the movie, as for the rest I was happy till the end of it which blew more ass than I can begin to describe. I saw most of the "plot twists" comming long before i was supposed to be all impressed with it. Of the three major deaths, only one was really a death. The professor comes back to life after the credits, and Scott i am not counting dead because they just never even bothered to show what happend to him. He just disappears from the movie. I do like that they made Magneto human, even if he already getting his powers back before movies end. The bridge scene was by far the best scene in the whole movie. I am pissed that the movie ends with Jeans death again just as X2 did with a different way to die. If they make an X4 i really hope they do it right, this one was good for me, but i know it should have been better.
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I am a very big X-Men fan. I have a massive collection of almost all series and spinoffs, and I started following them since the "Ant-Hill" days. I work in a comic shop of purists and comic/music/movie snobs. So I should be fairly biased about X3. With that aside, I really did love X3, and I'll try to judge it based on movie continuity and characterization as opposed to comics, because obviously it is not a mirror of the comics and never will be. It was really good to see them really attempt to work as a cohesive team, instead of a bunch of loners crammed together. I do have my complaints though, and the big one is the running time. Didn't they learn their lesson from X1? X1 was great for a starting movie, but it was painfully short, and most likely due to the shaky ground comic films were on back then. I agree with several reviews about how there wasn't any time to let an emotional scene sink in. I think Halle did a much better job this time around, but as always, there were things she could have done better. She didn't come off as the graceful and poised goddess that she had mentioned her character was during interviews. She came off more as a hot-headed reactionary to anything brought up about the cure, which seemed like reckless judgement that is way out of character from her previous movies as Storm, and even further away than the character from the comics. At least they sorta touched on how her emotions, when unchecked, play havok with the weather, although it was more or less a detail left unmentioned. I think killing Cyclops was a mistake. Since being introduced in X1, there has never really been much of a reason why he's designated as leader of the X-Men in the field. His true "Last Stand" was blasting Mags in the shoulder in X1, and after that, he's been a whiney baby and in the movie just because comic fans would shit if he wasn't. I think the writers just didn't know what to do with him, so they made him the appendix of the X-Men body of movies. Movie or comic, Cyclops should have been alive in X3 to the bitter end because otherwise, why build the love triangle between Jean and Logan, just to throw him away so Jean has to essentially settle with the last man standing? I do like the comic book parallel of Jean holding back his optic blast when she looked at his eyes without the glasses, which was a scene that really caught me about just how they work from the Saga in the comics. People have been ragging about Xavier being out of character in X3. Xavier in the comics has always detested and resisted using his mind on others, and it's been mentioned often about his ethics on this in the movies. Why should it seem out of character that he has done it when it only backs up the fact he's done things he hasn't liked, but out of necessity. Wolverine doesn't exactly take pride in killing people, but there are times he does it, but he sure doesn't suggest to Kitty, Jubilee, Rogue, etc to go out and kill people. I think it's because they have done what they detest that makes them better at telling people not to do them. (I hope I made this clear...) Anyways, I don't see Xavier as being out of character, and Stewart as always does a brilliant job. As for Phoenix/Jean, I do like how they try not to over-complicate things by making it a multiple personality disorder rather than some alien or cosmic entity. I think the darkening of the eyes, sinking of skin and etc amplifies the darkness within, but like many have said, there needs to be an external glow or flame to really hit the power of the Phoenix home. Sure, she lit up like a nova when she first saw Cyclops, and made him cover his eyes a bit, but c'mon... one scene? I think this was partly a victim of the rush to make this film, although not even flames in the eyes could have been done. I did nearly shit myself when Phoenix really got amped up, I couldn't help but gawk at the scope of her ability on the screen as opposed to more localized powers everyone else exhibited. I really liked Beast, Kelsey really did well giving Mamma McCoy's bouncing blue boy life. The aura of intelligence surrounds him, but in a way, it also overshadows the Beast appearance. This isn't to say his look was terrible, it did need a little tweaking, but you don't get that animalistic side that gives him his nom de guerre until you see the fight, or the shaky blurr of his fight. I think there should have been a bit more lighthearted banter between Beast and someone like Iceman. Okay, not Iceman, since Beast predates him movieverse-wise, but someone where you can get that Human Torch and Thing comraderie like in they had in the Kirby-Lee days of X-Men. When it comes to Rogue, I think they really short-changed her. I really dug the tragedy of her character, but they simply recycled her till she went for the quick fix. I know it is a different world than the comics, and I can accept that, but Rogue is named that because she goes out of her way to defy the norm, mostly by attitude. She should have been more brassy, and she should have permanently leached Magneto's powers from him after X1 so she could at least fly. They could have made it where she could re-use people she's imprinted like they did in the comics at one point, just to give her character more to do in the film. But no, they make her pine over Bobby, and mope. They could have made the character overcome her tragic gift, show that some mutants can flourish with powers that separate them not just from humans, but everyone. Iceman really stepped up in this film, and it was really good to see him "ice up" and do more than ice sculptures of flowers, make frosty walls, and cool drinks. If another movie is made, and I think it may happen eventually, it would be nice to see him do as Emma Frost tried to push him to do and push his limits of his powers. If only to enforce the fact that Xavier's school isn't just for learning to control powers, but to push to the limits of ability with those powers. I really liked Kitty. To see her use her power and take down a heavy by using her brain instead of brawn or running, very cool. If only they could expand on her a bit more, like what happens to electronics if she phases through them. Even better, go the comic route and have Logan take her under his wing to make her an effective fighter. Colossus was alright, I still hate that there is no Russian accent, even for so few lines. I also didn't like that they couldn't really bring out anything about his character. Again, a victim of rushing to make the movie and making it short. Angel is wasted. You get the build up of something important about him, much like Nightcrawler in X2, but then he's just there to fill out the original 5, save his dad, and be the origin of the plot device. The wings looked good, and that opening scene of him hacking at his wing-nubs, you feel itchy in the shoulder blades. Now for the villians... Magneto rocks, hands down! To see him manipulate metal objects is like watching a conductor of an orchestra. It seems effortless, yet you feel the power of heavy things being munched, crunched, and moved. Character-wise, he oozes conviction, he really believes his cause is just, and it's convincing. The thing that topped it off for me was McKellen's dialogue with Pyro, about Xavier. His best friend and enemy is dead, and yet he still has great respect for him. Instead of letting Pyro mouth off, he doesn't let it go, he doesn't laugh with him, he defends his old friend. It's just a true testament of McKellen's skill, and to attest of the strong bond between Xavier and Magneto. Pyro reminds me a lot of Fabian Cortez from the cartoon and comics in that he's turned fanatical, overzealous, and in turn, too cocky for his own good. His battle with Iceman was just right, although a bit short. Maybe next time Logan will let someone drive Cyclop's car so they don't get pushed to this level. Callisto I felt was too much of an amalgam of Caliban and Quicksilver. Her scraps with Storm were alright, but I think they should have been a little more drawn out, and easier to follow. I did like her finale though, I'm just glad that "What happens to a Morlock when it's struck by lightning?" line wasn't used at all, but I'm sure a lot of people were thinking it... Psylocke, Quills... wasted characters. Quills I could do without, he was spikey, killed Rao, fine... but Psylocke is a name character from the comics. Sure we saw her "shadow-slide/chameleon" from a wall, but I thought I read she was going to use her Psyknife on someone... did I blink at that part? Every movie has to have it's booby-prize baddie, and Juggs had to be it for this one. I liked seeing what he does, busting through walls, chucking Wolverine around like a ragdoll, all cool. But dialogue was typical for a brawny baddie with more 'roids injections than brain cells. I am glad they didn't make him the only baddie, like a movie all his own, but since he was a major menace in the comics, where it takes the whole team to take him down, he seems too weak in the movie-verse. And unlike purists, I can tolerate him being a mutant instead of Cyttorak imbued... face it, it's mutants versus humans, adding mystical beings would just give people a stroke. Multiple-Man was really just blip on the screen, but I caught on to his role in the movie just before it happened. Personally, it was nice and funny, but he would have been more practical in the final battle. Arclight... heh, knowing X-Men lore like I do, when I found out they ditched X-Whore Stacy X for Arclight, I was relieved. But one thing bothered me, Arclight in the comics is a Marauder. Callisto is a Morlock. Morlocks hate Marauders, Marauders kill Morlocks. You see what I'm saying? Okay, I know there was no Morlock Massacre in the movie-verse, and what is canon in the movies doesn't have to be so to the comics, still... it is wierd. At least she had some use, although limited.
Overall, I think things moved too quickly. If Hulk was done in the same formula, lots of explosions, not quagmired in plot or character development, Hulk would have done better by X3's pacing. I agree with some on how emotional buildup was aborted for moving along though. With X2, the pacing with characters was such that just as you were about to forget about someone, boom... there they were. In X3, you aren't allowed that pleasant suprise, except for Angel maybe. The end scenes were mindblowing, especially Phoenix and Logan's final scene. In many ways, I can see parallels and nods that are directly to comic material, and if this is truely the last movie, then I am glad for my crumbs. Still, I think things should have been stretched out some, and certain ways things were handled could have been done a little better. I'm no fan of wirework, but I am very thankful it wasn't like DareDevil, but a few spots seemed dreadfully close. I really enjoyed this movie, warts and all. Could it have been better, shit yeah. I'd place this between X1 and X2 in terms of story and characterization. As for action, which the X-Men films needed more of to demonstrate how they are different and drive it home, this far surpasses X1 and X2. I'd give X3 an 8.5 out of 10, and I blame the studio and the writing for any weaknesses. Don't like it, Harry? Shut up and eat another case of donuts.
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What did he do to get pissed on in all 3 movies. In X-Men, he's pushed to the side. In X2, he's REALLY pushed to the side. And in X3, homeboy is not only killed, but killed OFF CAMERA so we don't even get to see it. Cyclops deserved more respect than what this series gave him.
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What Brett does well - action scenes, camera moves, sexy stuff, romance. Think how in Daredevil you have NO IDEA what's happening. Mr Ratner does not have such issues.
What Brett does okay - not get in the way of actors who know better than he.
What Brett's bad at - Story arcs
What Brett sux at - EMOTION!!! Think gandalf's death in lord of the rings. THAT is how to direct an emotional scene. Three of my favortie characters in Xmen lore were killed. And I felt next to nothing. The final conflict between wolverine and jean should have been DEVASTATING. It wasn't. Like most things in Ratner's work, it just happens. The reason why? He's impatient. He doesn't like letting moments breathe. OVERALL - good solid movie that could have been stellar. -
Yeah Geezers, saw X3 and I liked it a lot. Singer jumped ship so fuck him and deal with what we got and not what we didn't. I'm a fan of the comics and this movie really pleased me, shocked me and entertained me. It got on with the show unlike X2 which got on with the snores. Of course it wasn't perfect (No comic Adapt has been) and I want answers to certain questions is the cure just a temporary thing as is suggested in one certain character? Also if one character has deatomised but is apparently still about, is the other? The action was good, the pace was good and the effects were to! This is not the worst movie ever as Harry and other contributers would have us believe. This tidies things up nicely and watch till the end of the credits and you'll see see that more may yet come our way! Congrats to the Rat who has achieved beyond all odds and delivered the goods. We could bitch all day on how we wanted certain things and if only there had been more time, christ maybe Da Vinchi would have finished the Mona Lisa eventually but it's still regarded a masterpiece. This is still Xcellent! Watch and Enjoy, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of you will. Take it easy you fucking Legends. BadBoy XXXXXX
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Points taken Harry, but there are several things to take into account with the X-Men universe melding into the film universe. And, again, this is coming from a long time X-fan. First, there are a ton of X-story lines. Sadly, most are not very good for a movie and would require a great deal of rewriting. The aforementioned
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I never have read the comics, I thought the first film was boring, thought the second film was inspired and awesome and made me realize X-Men isn;t just an outlet for secretly gay teenagers, and I just got back from this one and HOLY FUCKING NUN TESTICLES it was shit. I never understood what the big deal about Bret Ratner is, he is a nice guy who does medicore movies, but he always has mediocre scripts, too. I was completely down to dig the film. But I feel like I just got my brain finger-fucked by the Harlem Globetrotters. First of all, it is a half hour long. It felt so short. I seriously thought the movie was heading for the final act about ten minutes before it ended. I was ASTONISHED that it ended so quickly. Wolverine went from being a cool character to being like some kind of joke (although he had some good fight moments), and the melodrama reached an absolutely disgusting level of shit-flavored cheese. I cannot believe Moriarty liked this movie. I have a feeling he :liked" it just because he knew no one else would, because no one can genuinely like a movie that shitty after a movie like X2. BLUE FRASIER WAS THE GAYEST THING I HAVE EVER SEEN! How did they make a blue guy like Nightcrawler look cool and scary, and then make this Beast motherfucker look like My Pet Monster? Fuck this movie, fuck Moriarty for saying it was good, and thank you to Quint and Harry for having the balls to be honest and admit that this film was one of the worst of its kind in a long, long time. The notion that this film is better than the first film is ridiculous. This is worse than the He-Man movie with Dolph Lundgren. I can't believe it. FUCK this movie. It ain't anyone's fault but the producers. The writers did not have a fair shot. Ratner didn't fuck it up. This movie reminds me of something Mel Brooks said, where he stopped making funny movies when he started thinking "THEY will think this is funny" rather than "I MYSELF think this is funny." This movie is looking down on fans and saying, "Here,, you want to see Magneto move a bridge? Good, then we will do that, but don't trouble us for a good story. FUCK THIS MOVIE IN ITS SEA ANENEMOE ANUS
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Take it easy y'all I'm going surfing and then going to have a brew! It's the weekend!!! You can moan on about this later. It's beer o'clock...
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Just review his films - look back over what the guy has directed and you'll see what I mean. Now imagine if he directed Superman Returns, better still - imagine both Ratner and McG co-directing Superman Returns.....see Ratner's Mutant Donut here at - www.theweeklydonut.com
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I am sick and freaking tired of someone "being inspired by (insert name of comic/pulp/graphic/novel here)"... AND THEN RECREATING THAT IN THEIR OWN IMAGE!!! I first read X men way back just before the 'new team' came along with Storm, Wolvie, Colossus, 'Crawler. I remember reading the drama of the Dark Phoenix Saga and wondered how it would turn out. To see someone shit all over one of the handfull of Marvel Masterwork storylines pisses me off to no end. Take the Dark Phoenix story and run that. Or the cure story. But to rape both in so half-assed a manner is reason for someone to get pummeled soundly about their head and shoulders. If Starship Troopers trips your trigger and you want to make it into a movie, then make IT into a movie. That one could've easily been called Space Marines or the like and left my beloved book alone. 'Ender's Game' and 'Stranger in a Strange Land' are both perfect examples of a story/concepts that will never translate well into a movie. Both need a 3-5 night miniseries at minimum. Some moviesuit will think they can cram these into under 2.5 hours... and then be pissed off that no one will like it. Because they will never be given proper treatment, either in the adaptation of material or the presentation of product, leave them alone. If you HAVE to re-write it, leave the fuck alone.
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There were problems with it, mainly the running time and the way they handled the Phoenix, but overall it was much better than I was expecting. I thought Beast was a great addition to the series and Kelsey Grammer did a hell of job with the role. The audience I was with went nuts the minute he started kicking mutant ass at the end of the movie. Some of the dialogue was cheesy and Angel, who should have been more important to the story considering he kick started the events that took place in the film, barely had anything to do in the movie. The good thing is that it feels like it's a part of the series and didn't stick out the way I was afraid it would. I thought it had a strong ending and even though I agree that it needed some fine tuning and an additional half hour to let the film breathe, it went well beyond my expectations. I do hope that this isn't the end of the series, especially since there's still so much left to explore with these characters.
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why the heck did Wolverine KILL Jean Grey? Surely he could have stabbed her with the mutant antidote, thus both ending the havoc AND keeping Jean alive. It probably clashes with the comic books - which I haven't read - but as it is now it seemed like just another perfunctory major character death.
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and don't get me started on the missed dramatic oportunities when Magneto sees his old friend Xavier being striped to pieces by Phoenix. Surely the bottled up grief could have been a poignent moment, perhaps even the high mark of the series. But no, Ratner refuses to go into it...
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Newsflash!
MTV recently caught up with Jon Favreau, the director of the upcoming film IRON MAN. Below are the quotes I found most relevant, you can view the full interview on MTV's website here.
"It's the first movie Marvel is self-financing," he said of a new deal that frees the makers of the "Spider-Man" and "X-Men" movies from studio control. "We're set to come out in the summer of '08, and we'll start shooting in January."
"We're gonna have it take place in the present day, but there will be an origin story that has the old, gray Iron Man suit; eventually it will progress into more of the modern look," Favreau said. "That's the fun of doing the first one."
"The alcoholism doesn't come into play until later on in the story of Iron Man," he said. "[The comic] started off in the '60s, where it was about him as a successful manufacturer who developed this suit. Then, later, it spins off into that story about him fighting against himself. I think we're going to lay the groundwork for it, but the first one's going to explore him taking on this alter ego of Iron Man, and developing the suit, and what happens politically within the Stark Corporation."
Regarding casting:
"What's nice is that those movies don't require an expensive star; Iron Man's the star, the superhero is the star," the director insisted. "The success of 'X-Men' and 'Spider-Man' without being star-driven pieces reassures [executives] that the film does have an upside commercially."
Let the Xmeh Men go. Marvel is taking these projects back and X3 will be fixed by Jean using her powers.
Regarding Iron Man: Scary is that I saw Tom Cruise on TV last week and he had the beginings of a pencil thin moustache. Really! They's take a star if a star wanted the part! He can act. Magnolia? But that was before he went crazy. Who knows now?
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You know it.
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You were right... (said in dying Darth Vader tone to Luke at the end of RoTJ)
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for slamming the AICN critics (not that anyone read it and/or gives two shits.) While most of the time they are pretentious shit-in-your-cereal cynics, Harry nailed this one. It sucked on wheels, and I a big fan of the franchise and the comics. I checked the midnight showing and most of the theater was laughing at the film's idiocy. The movie tried to be several different things but succeeded in none of them. All the potential in the world was pissed on by Ratner. The Snakes On A Plane trailer got more applause. Thanks for nothing, jerk.
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Ratner is clearly a horrific paint by numbers director with all the skill a fifties propagandist - and the music score - holy fuck that was cheesy bad - just made the whole thing worse.
Cheap bullshit non-sentinel scene set the tone for the tawdry cheapness of the whole flick - what a bizarre final battle too expensive to have any energy mutants around? you cheap fucks - wroting to music to battle - the cheapness was writ large.
There was no reason to go so cheap on this flick.
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Saw the sneak of X-Men 3. Mediocrity unleashed. But with X-Men, after two very nice efforts, "mediocre" simply isn't good enough. I want to thank Bret Ratner for his effort. I think that what was wrong was not his fault. It seemed reasonably well directed. But very poorly written. Trying to smush the Phoenix storyline into this movie was a fatal error. Too many characters making token appearances with no character development whatsoever. And, yes, Magneto is a ruthless badass, but I do not think that turning his back on Mystique the moment after she saves him is in keeping with his character. That was unforgiveably out of character and ruins the themes carried by Eric Lensherr. Death comes cheap in this movie and without really making us feel it. Cyclops has been wasted for three movies. And really, the idiotic scene where Logan kills Jean is pathetic. Completely wrong. Sure I read the comics way back when. Long time geek. But I don't mind revision and changes as long as they are true to the characters. This movie fucked it up. The Superman trailer was awesome. The super - ex-girlfriend thing looked stupid... but SNAKES ON A PLANE!! This trailer got the most applause and the greatest response in the packed theatre. EVERYBODY wants to see this movie!
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It was too much plot for one movie it really could have been 2 or 3 movies. I was shocked SHOCKED when Magneto gets it in the end... luckily they leave that little teaser at the end. I didn't see too many directing flaws... except after Magneto moves the GG bridge it's in the middle of the day then SUDDENLY it's night time. WTF?
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i don't get all the love. it was far from the abomination that Harry made it out to be, but comeon... it was disappointing. No time for characters, lame melodrama, lame deaths with no emotional impact, and action that at times looked waaayyy too CG. I'd give it a C+. Kinda like MI:3, it disappointed (dunno why there was so much love for MI:3, either.) This summer has been pretty lame, so far, with DaVinci probably being my favorite.
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This movie is going to rake in the dough. I attended a mid-day screening and it was packed. I know a lot of folks (even non geeks) are excited about this movie. Plus it's Memorial Day weekend. Plus it's a doggone short movie. Put all these factors together and what you get is Fox cashing in this weekend.
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To answer your question, yes we piss on the Ultimates comics...because the Ultimates comics suck.
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In July of 2000, I walked out of a movie theater with a sense of fulfillment spread throughout. I had just seen X-Men. The way the story and characters were presented as fresh and believable reinstilled the faith I had lost in summer blockbusters. The characters were presented as a family coming together for the first time. The people who possessed special abilities had their powers, not because they were from another planet or were bit by a spider, but because of their genetic make-up. The way the director (Bryan Singer) used this story line to give us a mirror image of race issues without being preachy was quite remarkable.
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It wasn't as bad as I expectd after all the whining I read here....HOWEVER...having said that, I'v just 2 quick comments....
1) Too short. It did feel like alot of scenes were abbreivieted and that does add weight to the complaint on these boards about there being no real emotional investment in what's going on. The scenes don't get a chance to breathe and that's too bad...the story they are (quickly) trying to tell deserves more time...
2)It looks cheap! From half-realized effects to chinzy-looking costumes, the fact that corners were cut is very visable onscreen. Effects-wise it looks likethey blew most of the wad on the GG bridge sequence, but even that looked a little underdone. And as much as it pains me to say it...the wire work was dreadful & obvious. Costumes & appearance: Storm's really bad wig was more distracting than Hanks' subpar appliances/fur. And what was that fake muscle suit the Jugger-guy was wearing? Ouch!
Not a bad movie but kind of on par with last year's FF...too bad, really when one considers the care and effort that Singer guy put into it. Can't really blame th Rat guy though...he was just the hired hand bought in to finish the house....too bad he was'nt given enough materail to work with, eh? -
as a comic book fan I was very dissapointed, as a summer pop-corn movie fan, I'n not gonna jump in the hate wagon and say that the movie was complete crap, cause it wasn't, but still it was a letdown from the final episode this trilogy deserved.
I'm not one of those comic-book purists whining about jean's hair being the wrong kind of red, or complaining about the changes in the minor characters (callisto having quicksilver powers, psylocke being anything but a telepath, juggernaut being a mutant...) but they really wasted a lot of great opportunities with the main characters...wolverine: the best way to describe him is like jean said "tamed". storm: berry still sucks (only with an uglier haircut), more screen time doesn't mean character development, and the much expected "flying" effects were on x-men 1 level (don't get me started on the tornado bitchslapping scene). colossus: criminally underused, his so-called bigger part, was just throwing wolvie around and carrying tv's in the school. iceman: the whole iceman vs pyro thing that singer built up for 2 movies, ratner got over with a 10 second fight and a bad punchline.mystique: from a great characer, to a pissed off dumped girlfriend. rogue: well, she's been the worst treated character since the first movie, so is not a surprise she gets the boot here too.angel and beast were just cameos, and of course, -
Juggs should have been killed by being half-phased thru the floor and I really feel sorry for Robert Smith. We don't need the Cure, indeed.
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Marvel's Ultimate line sucks. And The Ultimates is the worst of the bunch.
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yeah, why DID HE KILL Jean??? couldn't he have stuck her with the cure? and at the end... nothing is fixed. what humans and mutants suddenly "get along" because of one battle? and they didn't do anything with Wolverine, what about his past, what about the arc for that? people are like... SHUT THE F UP, SURE RATNER CAN'T DO CHARACTERS AND STORY ARCS, BUT HE DOES EVERYTHING ELSE FINE AND I THINK IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS MOVIE YOU LOSE YOUR CRED. Okay, except, I was really looking forward to this, I like Red Dragon and the Rush Hour movies. But wtf... bad writing, bad directing, even rushed effects. How was this "good?" I've never read the comics, but this betrayed the other 2 movies, and that matters. Overall very, very disappointing, and I dislike it the more I think about it. And also, yes, it did go to night too quickly. I found that really funny... the sun is setting, and suddenly, it's night. ONE SINGLE INSERT of the sun setting would have made that make sense, but instead... it was just funny. And the action had no rhythm, a lot of it was just movement on screen. And, I'm the Juggernaut bitch? Comeon.... seriously. My C+ becomes a C.
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what's with all the "you only don't like it because you had preconceived notions of what it should be." wtf.... maybe Harry's review was like that, but there was so much wrong with X-3 that goes beyond any preconceived notions. My God, what next, we'll start defending Batman and Robin? "You have opinions of what it should have been, that's the only reason you didn't like it." X-3 had no character development, a story that was stupid, deaths with no buildup, no emotion, too much melodrama, very rushed CG.... and it ruined lots of arcs built in the other 2 films. Piss poor. Average... below average, not nearly as good as X-Men or X-2 (both which I liked a lot, even the first one which I really did like.)
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Not GREAT but VERY GOOD.
I liked it. A lot.
Ice Man turning into Ice Man was the highlight for me.
No Nightcrawler was the low point.
Chuck's fine. Cyk's fine. Don't worry. Its comics.
I liked it muy much.
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into complicated issues such as race relations and class struggle, or you're comparing The Godfather Part II to X2, it's time to clear off the DVDs and video games on your bookshelf and fill it with books.
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...If you ever read The Iron Man you will see that it is NOTHING like Iron Giant. Taking place in England, a huge metal robot crashes to Earth and breaks apart. Repairing himself it begins devouring cars and tractors and the like to satiate its hunger. Local farmers discover and trap him. A good kid named Hogarth and his father befriend the Iron Man. Soon an enormous space-bat-angel-dragon attacks Earth and demands a tribute of animate matter for its consumption. The Iron Man battles the monster, defeats it and learns that the creature is actually peaceful, yet was attracted to Earth by the violence wrought here. The space-bat-angel-dragon returns to space, where his "music of the spheres" has such a calming effect that Earth becomes a peaceful place. WTF? No Superman references? No Maine? No U.S. Military? No Nukes? No beatnik? No Single mother for the beatnik to fall in love with? No devious Secret Service man? No Exlax in the milkshake? The Iron Man remains intact at the end? Who the Hell wrote and dircted The Iron Giant! It was NOTHING like the book! ...But, taken on its own, The Iron Giant keeps the ideals and tone of the book and frickin' rocks as a movie. But, to a purist, I'm sure it looks too different and was awful. In essence, the X-Men movies stayed closer to the source material than The Iron Giant did. Just an observation.
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but I just went with a group of guys from work and seeing it again made me see how awful it really is. God, all the potential that was shot down the tube is almost making me mad for Christ's sake.
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"... how, for fucks sake, do you write a movie with Ninjas that is that fucking boring?"
I ask: How the fuck could this bunch of talentless hacks take a gold-plated invitation to film one of the most legendary stories in the history of comicdom, already set up and backstoried, a license to print $100 bills for the next ten years, and go:
"Thanks for the setup Bryan but we've got a better story. You and your fellow comic book geeks can fuck right off now."
Achieving both those landmarks in mediocrity takes a particularly resilient combination of arrogance and stupidity combined.
I can't help carrying a little resentment towards Singer for abandoning the franchise. But the guy was following his dream - who can really fault that?
I choose to believe that he never in a million years expected Rat Brettner and Co to yank down their trousers and take such a huge steaming dump on what he'd already given them.
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She is a detached alien being who views Magneto indifferently as just an ant. And bear in mind that Magneto is, prior to the appearance of Phoenix, one of the most powerful mutants on Earth. I grew up on the Claremont X-Men Phoenix Saga just like you, but I feel that you might have had a skeptical predisposition to the movie version. Phoenix is clearly powerful in this film, and is only attached to Magneto's group because she has become emotionally detached from her past and her old friends the X-Men. Anyway, there are a lot of things that I could say about this movie, and will, but I just got out of the showing and would like to absorb it a bit and maybe read what other people are thinking. I am sorry that you didn't like the movie. To my mind, if they didn't include so many "classic" X-Men details (Scott having his glasses removed by Jean/Phoenix, the Danger Room, Fastball Specials, etc) people would be up in arms, and when they DO include them, people get upset because they seem to get perfunctory treatment. You can't please everyone, I guess. I try and keep perspective about it, and always remember that the Movie-verse X-Men is never going to be the same as the Comic-verse X-Men. Anyhow, thoise are some of my initial thoughts on the movie...
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"I will forgive anyone involved in this movie for almost any mistake,
any transgression. I don't care if most of the story and script are a
steaming pile of manure - I'll forgive them. I don't care about the
acting - if most of the actors have phoned in their parts, fine. I'll
live with it. I don't care about the makeup. I don't care about continuity. I don't care about most of the FX. But if Brett Ratner screws up our first, and possibly only, chance to see the Phoenix in all her glory, in a live action movie? I will stipulate in my will that my
descendants are to curse his name daily, on one film website or another, for the next 10 generations!"
Ratner: Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
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I went to see X2 and expected greatness. I was underwhelmed and pissed. After reading the reviews for X3, I expected shyte. It wasn't. I'm no Ratner fan. He doesn't make an emotional connection to his pictures. They lack heart. Singer connected to his Xmen projects. The "gay" issue is irrelevant. Anyone who has felt like an "outsider" can make connections to the Xmen. The real fault of the movie X3 is bad writing and a lot of continuity issues. We see a shot of Hank Mcoy in X2 as a human, then as full mutant Beast here. Though I've always liked beast, I'm partial to werewolves and demons, most Xfans aren't. Why the choose him is interesting but only to the minority of Xmen fans. Why introduce Angel? And so poorly. Though a neat metaphor to allowing those of difference to be free, how does he go from self-loathing to self-preserving so quickly. That's just bad writing. And there's a lot more bad writing. I'd say the studios allowed yet another shitty script in lieu of profits to be, which yet again they'll get. Living in Los Angeles, you learn one thing. Anything flies if it'll turn a profit. Yet the film wasn't complete crap. Alot of things for Xfans here, though complete creative liberties are taken to make a film. A poorly written one.
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The more I think about it, the more I really dislike X-3. Another problem is that I never felt like a war was about to happen... there was never a sense of excitement, or doom, or that beyond the specific images I was seeing something was HAPPENING and going on. That is perhaps the biggest flaw, it never drew me in. The best films make you feel as if you are seeing just part of a world, that beyond what is shown things are happening and the world and characters are changing. The other X-Men films at least somewhat got this down, but The Last Stand... nothing. And that is the sign of a competent but not really talented director. Creating that feeling, along with creating real emotion.... that's what a genuine director can do. Ratner is simply competent; his film isn't unwatchable, but it's got nothing extra to it to make it last. It's almost as if it were directed by a robot.
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I've never been happier in my life not to be a comic book geek. Yes, I love comics; I love the serial nature, I love the art that goes along with the stories, and I love the sense of bigness--for lack of a better word--the sense that the events going on, even minor ones, are still more significant than what goes on in everyday life. That said, I don't collect comics. I don't own many. I know the big storylines by reputation, true, but I haven't read or reread them countless times. What's the point of this preamble? Well, just so you understand where I'm coming from. And just so you know, I'm not one prone to hyperbole--as Hobbes says, one should save it for when you really need it. And I review this movie for with all honesty and calmness. So keep that in mind when you read that not only do I think X3 was the best X-men film; not only do I think it's the second-best Comic Book film I've ever seen (after Unbreakable); but I also believe that X3 was the one of the best films I've seen this decade. As good as LOTR? No. But it was better than V (which I loved). It was better than Serenity (and I'm a Browncoat since Day 1). It was better than Revenge of the Sith, or the Matrix sequels (and I still study those films). Yes, ladies (all 2 of you that read this site) and gentlemen, I absolutely loved this film. And really, what else is there to say? I could talk about how intense the two Jean in full fury scenes were. Or how well used Kitty's and Juggernaut's powers were. Or how well portrayed the mutant cure was. But you know something? My review doesn't matter. Screw what everybody (including me) says. Judge for yourself. I'm glad I did, because this film will be in my collection as soon as its released.
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Plus the Doc, has that screwdriver thingy. Anyway, thanks to Harry, I really expected to hate this flick. I didn't. I had a lot of fun! Sure, Cyclops got fucked again, Berry sucks ass, and moving the whole bridge is a bit much. But I was really touched, by young Warren's plight, Chucks death, and sad powerless Mags. A fine end to 3 great flicks.
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his character was very inconsistant. i didn't for a second buy his betrayal of Mystique, partly because there was no reaction, no sense of loss, it all happened so fast. very, very lame. Ian McKellan can only do so much with a shitty script...
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Just saw this a couple hours ago. It's not perfect but I found it very entertaining. The action was some of the coolest I've seen in a while. Brilliantly realized ideas. They did seem to cram too much into one movie and it suffered in terms of plot and character devlopment but it was just really fun. Phoenix kicked fricking ass and (SPOILER) if you stay till after the credits you realize that actually not one person dies in this film or even loses their powers. Kind of a cop out for a sequel but hey I'm glad some of my favorite characters can potentially come back for more.
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two of my boyhood crushes come together
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Could've been better. The whole script could've used a revamp
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1.) Juggernaut was horribly done. That didn't look anything like Juggernaut, he looked like a badly dressed extra from a Quake movie. Pathetic. Horribly, utterly, totally pathetic and laughable. Way to make my 2nd favorite comic villain of all time into a total joke. 2.) Kitty Pryde was EXCELLENTLY casted, and horribly written. Learn the characters, writers. 3.) The "Dark Phoenix" saga in the comics isn't exactly the best fiction ever penned, but it's a damn sight better than that dumb explanation given in the movie. I prefer a cosmic level, epic story to the "oh it's her unconscious side." Lame. Lazy directors and writers shouldn't approach epic stories. 4.) I guess I can forgive, on a logistic level, killing Xavier's recognizable form since we don't know how long Stewart will be kicking around to fill the role, so I'll let that one go. 5.) Killing Cyclops doesn't bother me, replace him with Havok in the next movie and yer good to go, they are interchangable in my opinion. 6.) The fastball special, the lame Storm "Hurricane Spin", and the "Sentinel" made me want to puke. Seriously Fox, you should have spent a quarter of the promotional budget of this movie and invested in a full sized Sentinel that would have made for a legendary opening sequence. Instead, you settled for pointless advertisements everywhere on the planet (Did we really need programming tie-ins to every television show on the planet for two weeks? No, that served no purpose. As much as it may amaze you retard executives, we knew the day this film was coming out before you told us. Stop wasting so much money on promotion and advertising, you are just throwing money into the trash can.) Way to waste a classic opportunity, Fox. You blew it. 7.) You couldn't make Colossus russian? You couldn't find one russian actor? If you didn't want to stay true to the characters, why did you make the movie?
Overall, it was better than X1, worse than X2, and no where near what it could have been. I disagree that this is a permanent nail in the coffin for this franchise, as there is still a lot of untouched material to bring forth. If there is a fourth movie, I definately want a bigger spotlight on Colossus (the real Colossus, please) and Shadowcat. Rachel Phoenix wouldn't bother me either. Oh, and please tell me that you introduced Angel to convert him to Archangel, otherwise I'm mystified as to why you brought that boring character into the series. -
Count me as a realist. I've been reading X-Men since the late 1970s, and I loved this movie. In fact, I like it better than the first one, which was DULL. Halle was even tolerable in this one (of course, not having Joss Whedon write your lines can do wonders for a character not seeming like a cheesball). What I see from the haters is a lot of "Wahh! They didn't look right! Wahh! They changed so-and-so's powers! Wahh! This storyline wasn't exactly like the ones in the comics!" --- And you know what, that's the problem. If it had been exactly like the comics, it wouldn't have worked in a movie context. I see the Marvel Movies as yet another Marvel Universe- It's not the mainstream Marvel Universe, and it's not the Ultimate Universe, but it's something else. It's a different place, with different storylines but similar people. In the Dark Phoenix/Brood saga, Professor X is apparently killed in the comics. In the movie universe, Professor X is apparently killed, too. What's the problem? So Kitty isn't hooking up with Colossus (YET), but who's to say that if she and Bobby hadn't been closer to each other's ages and development in school, that they wouldn't have flirted a bit? You people have no imaginations-- You want to see what you read 15 years ago REGURGITATED on-screen, and that's just not going to happen. Frankly, I think this is the best of the X-Men flicks--- Sure, it could have used another 30-45 minutes for exposition, but then we spent all of the first and second movie TALKING, with very little action. You apparently didn't get that there's a passage of time between Charles' "death" and the beginning of the war. You don't grasp that there's a doubt that Cyclops was killed (he was being mopey, and then he left, and there's no proof he's dead, so maybe they weren't ready to mourn him yet). I think that most of the guys complaining about this movie are the same ones who are desperate to see Venom in Spider-Man 3, but will SCREAM about it when he's not a drooling alien symbiote with gigantic muscles and a long tongue. You're NITPICKING GEEKWADS that make me embarrassed to be a comic geek myself.
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... a big, inflated, full-body, rubber muscle-suit, bitch! Seriously, that thing was as fake-looking and bad as a fuckin' Gorn, man. Geez, the whole flick kept bringing fashbacks of Batman sliding down the back of a dinosaur like Fred Flintstone, and a certain California (or is it Kull-ee-fawn-nyuh?) governor in silver greasepaint. (Shudder) Only dif is... 'Macher was trying to be intentionally bad... campy, in other words. Of course he failed miserably and just ended up with bad-bad. X3 didn't try for anything more than to just hack out a means to put some quick cash in Rothman's pockets. A crass and soulless corporate product. Too bad.
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Watchable but not great. And before I get flamed into a smear of greasy ash, let me explain why: I'm part of the 99% of the human race who are not harcore X-Men geeks with every panel of the 'Dark Phoenix' arc burnt into their minds. (I do geek out and nit-pick like mad when it comes to Jane Austen adaptations, so sue me...) I don't Brett Ratner's favourite recreational activity is drinking blood and sacrificing babies to Satan, or the sun doesn't shine when Bryan Singer clenches his butt cheeks. I really wish all three movies would have dumped the (fan-pleasing but narratively redundant) cameos, the corny dialogue and heavy handed "mutation as an analogy for racism/homophobia" subtext of the script, and (yes) even the sterile production design. But, in the end, I didn't walk into the theatre expecting Citizen fucking Kane but a pleasant enough way to pass a couple of hours.
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Seems that some of you are having problems with Cyke's death, but this is how I see it. All his death meant was that Pheonix wasn't fucking about and that all other characters were fair game from here on in. Had we witnessed Scott being deatomised we would have known her method for killing and all shock value regarding the manner in which Charles died would have been lost or diluted at best. Given that Scott was a bullshit charcter in all these films it allowed his death to be somewhat shrouded in mystery and by not seeing it gave a real sense of intrigue and peril. Finally when we see her power unleashed on Charles it added saddness, poignancy and was generally shocking to boot. This would not have been the case had we seen Scott's death. Therefore I think it right not to have shown it. Later, you fucking legends.
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It's about being true to the characters, and not fucking-over the people who've paid your wages so far.
I took a straw poll in my office the other day - 37 people.
Only nine could, maybe, be termed comic-geeks. Only half of those had ever actually read the Phoenix saga.
But precisely three people in the office did not understand exactly what the final shots in X2 meant. Those that didn't understand it the first time they saw the film had, of course, asked people in the know.
Singer made us a promise. A promise of greatness. The studio shat on him, us, the actors, pretty much everybody.
Everything you point out in your post would've been fine - if it was backed up by a director who had the faintest idea of the characters behind the actors he was directing.
It's not about the story - it's about whether the characters are true to the spirit of the comics. Get that right and you can do anything with the story.
Rat Brettner and the studio droids miserably failed to achieve even that simple task.
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meh...mediocrity is great.
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In case you hadn't noticed, she was incinerating everything within 200 yards, including the facility that housed the cure, and the cure vials laying all over the place. Did you not see the soldiers (who were carrying cure guns and ammo) flying into a million pieces? So there was NO CURE LEFT. It was destroyed, and Wolvie had to act NOW, not wait for a cure vial to be found a mile away, or else Jean would have destroyed the west coast, if not the world. --- Besides, as Magneto said, she can do almost anything. Do you have any doubt that she would have been able to rip the vials from Wolvie's hands, or KNOW via telepathy what he had on him? Finally, SHE ASKED HIM TO KILL HER SEVERAL TIMES IN THIS MOVIE. There's no question he did the right thing, and why are you bitching anyway? SHE DIED IN THE DARK PHOENIX SAGA TOO, so what's the problem?
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Many people stayed to see the teaser at the end of the credits. The credits were almost done when the projectionist shut the movie off. The people started booing and hollaring to turn it back on so we could see it. Some immediately got on their cell phones and rang the theater lobby. Never saw so many people go off like that. I thought it was funny. Anyway, saw the movie. Not bad. Complaints: Killing of major characters, scenes seemed to brief, and the script was not that good. Seriously, they should not have even touched the Phoenix storyline. Should have been about the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and the fight against the cure. That would have been plenty. The special effects were not bad. Better than what I had read about it. Liked the Beast. Like Kitty Pryde. Maybe X-4 will be better (wink,wink). Any scene with Patrick and Ian simply is great. Nice Stan Lee cameo. Not the greatest superhero flick but not the worst.
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This movie is crap
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Always amusing to see people crying for blood, because if they hated/liked the movie, how can someone else like/hate it? Entertainment to some, torture to others. Live with it. Name-calling gets you nowhere, except in your own sad mind.
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From my perspective, she didn't. I'd like to think she helped assist the diversion at the mutant camp. Even though she was "cured" I doubt she would have so willingly helped the mutant cause, even with Mags ditching her.
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Let's see- Wolvie was in love with Jean, and was a born fighter who was ready to kill when the need arose. Storm was second-fiddle to Scott, and unprepared to be leader until the need to do so was right in her face, at which point she cut loose and showed she had what it takes to be the team leader. Colossus was a simple boy who could turn to metal, we saw his art in the last movie, and we saw his first team-ups with Kitty in this one. So he wasn't right off the farm in Russia... So what? The comic Colossus was a communist from the USSR, but this is 2006 and the USSR doesn't exist anymore. Piotr's family apparently left non-Soviet Russia at some point (seeing as they're free to do so in this timeline, where the comic Colossus wasn't), giving Pete the benefit of an American accent- No big deal. Beast was spot-on, witty, intellectual, great voice, and looked like the Avengers-era Beast (the only Mutant at the time accepted by the government, which they stuck to with this movie, by the way). Kitty was Kitty, and didn't deviate much except that she was apparently born a little later in this Universe. Iceman wasn't the joker of the Marvel Universe, but he also wasn't competing with Beast for attention as an original X-Man, so perhaps he would have developed a bit differently, and I can deal with that. Either way, Iceman iced up, and that's what you all wanted, right? Pyro was different from the books, but again, people are the result of their environment, and perhaps this Pyro's parents moved to America and he had different friends, which made him a different person. Juggernaut was not the same guy, but perhaps in this Universe, we find out that Cain Marko's not related to Charles because their parents didn't intermingle... Why is that a problem? He's still a big doofus that is unstoppable, except that he's a mutant this time around. Nobody complained about Magneto in the first two, and he's the same here. Jean is not the cosmic powered alien- BOO HOO- she's an uber-powerful mutant instead, but one that has similar powers to the comic version. Aww... No fire aura? I'm sure that ruined your day, but I'd say incinerating everything within a few hundred yards is still close to the mark. Perhaps you wanted Lilandra to show up and kill her? I don't get it. Why is it that some comic geeks can accept a "What If" story, or a CRISIS ON INFINITE WORLDS story, or a WHOLE NEW UNIVERSE that rearranges the characters and changes their history, powers, look, etc. in the comics, but when it's done in a movie you go crazy? I doubt we're going to hear anyone complaining about Superman not bearing any resemblance to the Silver Age Superman, and nobody (but me) griped about Batman being a KILLER in every Batman movie to date, despite the current comic Batman having a strict code against killing. Nobody whined about Bruce Banner being a hunky stud instead of a puny weakling in The Hulk, and nobody's making huge fuss over the fact that Pete never dated Liz, Betty, Deb, Felicia, or any of his other girlfriends in Spider-Man movies... IN FACT, what pisses me off about this is all the fanboys insisting that Spider-Man 3 has to have Venom, and then bitching about the "spirit of the characters" in X-Men Last Stand. If you wanted to be true to the "spirt" of Spider-Man, you'd want Venom to NOT SHOW UP AT ALL until Pete's fought all his old rogue's gallery of technological/science-gone-bad villains. I'd say if anything's not in the spirit of the comics, it's people who say that the comic characters are written in stone and never change. I've watched Wolverine go from a spastic killer to a Samurai to a snarky old dude in the comics. I've watched Kitty go from a scared Jewish girl (SPRITE!) to a confident X-Man to a NINJA. CHARACTERS CHANGE, especially when you're in another universe. If you want The X-Men as they are in the comic books, then here's an idea: RE-READ THE BOOKS. Me? I want to be surprised again. That's what storytelling is for.
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I meant: I doubt she would have so willingly helped the human cause.
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Oh come on..we never saw his body go boom like Xavier's. Jean simply threw him in the air and he landed in Metropolis and had a kid with Lois Lane. :P It was an ok film...not the best of the X-men lot but an ok film. Prof. Xavier lives in another body yea...Jean is dead (again)...she went nutsoid all due to Xavier's meddling...gee thanks Professor..thanks to you Jean had a fraking split personality known as The Phoenix...:P...Best line goes to Juggernaut with "Do you know who I am?! Im the Juggernaut, bitch!" *lmao* And Speaking of the Juggernaut...Why'd they have to make him a mutant? :P
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You determined all of that of Colossus from his two freaking lines in the trilogy? Wow.
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Alot of it was very meh.
- They killed off too much of the cast.
- And they really shouldn't have done the Phoenix storyline unless they could do it justice, which they couldn't.
- I really hated the actual X Men in this movie. As a viewer i sided more with The Brotherhood instead of the X Men which goes against the point of them being the heros.
-Because they killled off so many characters and had Rogue sell out and get the cure, besides Wolverine and Storm they were left with only what was it? 2 ot 3 other x-men at the final action scene.
-Mystique, one of the more interesting characters in the series. And what do they do? Give her one scene then 'cure' her. Exit stage left, never seen again
- And curing Magneto at the end. Give me a break.
That script was poor at best. I know Fox rushed to get this movie of for Summer 2006 and it really shows for the most part.
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Absolutely hated it. Got hardcore flashbacks of seeing Batman & Robin, F4, and Elektra. I didn't like any of those films. Didn't like this one. Thank god for the Snakes on a Plane teaser, that was fun to see. There were tiny flourishes that occasionally crept in and gave me a little grin, but it was all too little too late. Thanks for ending the franchise with the biggest butchering of a classic storyline ever. I won't be seeing this one again.
I really don't think it was all of Ratner's fault. He's not blameless, but he really did the best he could with this thing under the circumstances. It's a nice looking movie and it's also intelligently shot. These are the only really positiive comments you will read in this review.
The performances were just uninspiring. I felt that Jackman's Wolverine in this movie was some sort of vacant leftover from the terrific and energetic performance he delivered in X2. Same with the rest of the cast, none of them were at the top of their game, or even close for that matter. McKellan was the biggest surprise, usually in even the poorest of films (which he doesn't make too many of) he rises above the material and justifies his participation by delivering a great performance. This was not the case.
That could be attributed to poor editing and using scenes that were perhaps not the best takes from the actors. A lot of it had to do with a frenetic structure and pacing of the script (a scene never lasted long than a couple of minutes until the battle, which was the first time that the movie ever actually seemed to be comfortable with itself) and dialogue that the people who created these comics wouldn't even be caught blowing his nose with.
Things were always over the top and those moments were never given just cause to be that way. There was no build, no pacing, or even a sense of rythm to the film. As a budding filmmaker, it was really painful to watch. As a comic fan, it was even worse to see one of my most treasured storylines butchered in that fashion.
It seemed to be all thrown together by a commitee that had no investment in the material or passion for proper (or at least interesting) filmmaking. It also considered itself to be an intelligent and emotional summer blockbuster. Nothing is worse than a mindless stupid blockbuster that thinks it's elevating itself above the other dreck that it's surrounded by.
There were moments, brief moments that I found myself enjoying, but it was never enough. Not even close. It was those moments of sporadic creativity that made the movie really confusing, because we'd see some inspired little flourishes and then we'd go right back into the uninspired film that had been playing all along. None of those moments were particularly big moments either.
Even the climax was a mismatched bunch of small battles and people just seemingly standing around waiting for their enterance (Jean, Angel, and pretty much anyone else for the most part).
It was really clumsy and weak filmmaking, which was such a shame because the movies preceeding it had such integrity and class. They also gave us a lot of fun, but there was always an artistic purpose and a plausible explanation behind every moment of bliss.
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I went into this with absolutely dysmal expectations.... and it actually was worse than I thought. Completely void of any subtext, careful craftsmanship, humor, wit, emotion, fun, thrills, and most importantly... character. If Jean has a dual-personality that is coming through, why does it seem like she is the same person all the time except for some cg fx on her face. Magneto and Jean's backup dancers looked absolutely laughable. Can all bad mutants fly-jump?-What the hell was up with that first assault from the bridge. If the bald kid has hair at the end, does that mean he lost his powers?.... of course it looks like xavier grew some hair back too.. Was magneto holding up the bridge's support system with his powers after he moved it?...bridges need support to stay up. Is there one forest located in the world?..Wolverine sees a forest in his dream...then goes there and finds some of the members of 'the flying daggers' So, can Angel jump through glass windows alot without hurting himself? Will Iceman have some 'splaining to do about killing the plants in the pond by the mansion when he froze it? I could write this crap all night.
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Yeah I'm HUGE Kitty fan from X-Men and later EXCALIBER - one of my favorite comics of all time. Movie was OK - but for me the movie was pretty much worth it just to finally see that damn character in action. I agree with Nathan Detroit that she was well cast although her character is not entirely like that in the comics ("Who's hiding dickhead!?" GREAT line but WTF!). Still, this is the X-Men MOVIE and not the comics, and having said that, once I let go I thought they sold this "new" Kitty well enough - and you could see things in her "comic personality" that were reflected in the film. The duel with Juggs was the highlight of the series for me - the way she defeated brute strength with brains and agility were a great depiction of the character's comic book sensibility. Overall I was just psyched to see her in the trilogy. Screw the Wolvie spinoff and Whedon's Wonder Woman - I want a Kitty Pryde spinoff directed by JJ Abrams.
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This really was not a bad movie at all. I mean, seriously now, I know we all hope and pray for these 3 hour epics when we get super hero movies, but come on now honestly! The movie had great lines, good action, cool FX. I mean, its pretty much a given nowadays that when they do a comic book movie, its not going to be exactly like it is in the comic. Of course they werent gonna fit the whole Pheonix saga into one little movie while introducing a billion characters and having a civil war. You guys just really set your expectations too damn high. And i will go on record and say that most of you really pre-hated this movie because of Bryan Singer leaving and Brett Ratner directing it. Dont be pissed at Ratner, be pissed at Singer for leaving this great franchise!
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There was no logic to the movie. The whole show was about wolverine and Jean Grey. To many characters die, and have the secondary characters have no stories. Is it me or was juggernaut xaviers half brother? They didnt bring that up. The show sucked, it is depressing to see a show that i followed for the last couple years to be fucked up by a B-Movie director. The death of so many people didnt make sense, it was like what they did to the Blade series. They just kill it of, and then make some gay ass attempt in the end to signal a sequal. Hey can you imagine a X-men being run by Storm and Wolverine. This is the gayest movie i have seen 200 million dollars to kill a series? What the fuck were they thinkg?
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The one thing I can tell is the age on the talk backs 30+ are looking for story, plot, action scenes thatmake sense, chaarcters with good direction...The youngsters just want special effects, and action, and not much else.....This movie is on the same level as MEGAFORCE...ok that might be overkill...but a bunch of action doesn't make a movies. Ratner isnt that good, He's like CHan Gailey walks into a place with talent that should be unbeatable, and can't get it done.
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Just came back from this movie w/my wife and we loved it. Blew the first two outta the water. I grew up on X-Men and totally told myself to separate the two mediums. Ratner nailed it, killed it, stuck the landing. It was a great Superhero movie. Yes, it is not perfect but it did have suspense, action, fun. I didn't find myself turning into a critic which isn't a good sign. I know Head Geek doesn't agree with the Phoenix saga intertwined with this but we don't have control over it. The door was still left wide open to do Phoenix justice in 4 and 5 maybe. In a perfect world we'd get much closer to X-Men canon but that won't happen now until a reboot. I gave up that hope after 1. To all the nitpickers, lighten up and enjoy life a little. All the people that walked out of the theater with us were smiling fully satisfied. Count on this one making a Poseidon sized load of box office so rest assured, this wasn't The Last Stand by any means.
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I pretty much agree with those that say that they tried to pack too much shit into one movie. The Cure, and Phoenix, and 80 BILLION more mutants all having to be introduced sort of just got squashed together, without any of them ever really being explored to their greatest potential. Oh yeah, and...like whoever said in one of the reviews...it did seem like the XMEN were being traitorous to mutant-kind. Weren't they against the use of the cure as a weapon? But then they go fight to help the soldiers, even though the soldiers were doing what the XMEN were against? That seemed kind of shitty. It seemed like that would have been good fodder for some real moral dilemna, but instead nobody really seems to question it, and everyone just decides that Magneto is evil, soldiers=good, and they should help them. But I think the main thing that bothered me about this movie was that there weren't enough "HOLY FUCKING SHIT! WOOOO!" moments in it. There weren't a whole lot of times where I got truly excited about what I was watching. The second one had those moments in bulk, moments where you couldn't really help to get totally into it, and couldn't help but clap to show your appreciation, but this one...not so much. Which particularly sucks because it is the finale (or is it?...DUN DUN DUNNNN). And on a less critical, yet more geeky note, there wasn't enough of the Brotherhood mutants fucking shit up. Mainly they just seemed like people running at Army guys. Oh yeah, and Magneto's plan didn't really make any sense. I mean, in chess, pawns go first, but you still don't sacrifice them unless you absolutely have to. The point of chess isn't to see how many men you can lose and still win. So, yeah, that just seemed like an issue of "Shit! We have to make him more unlikable, so that people won't take his side!"
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I'm with harry, I thought the flick was a convoluted mess. I thought it stunk.
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You've taken an amazing franchise and destroyed it. Sure the movie could have been worse; It could have ben a HELL of a lot better too. Wolvy, Xavier, Magnus, Iceman, Pyro and even Beast were done well...but that's a credit to those actors, Not the Studio.
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but why use the cure on magneto? it was all so stupid... how are so many of you defending this crap? seriouly, what has happened? you guys dog all these great films, and then stupid crap like this comes along and everyone says how great it is. no... no it's not. at the very best it's "meh." so many basic storytelling movie elements were wrong. i don't read the comics, i dont hate Ratner (genuinely liked Red Dragon), and didn't go in with big expectations: and it sucked. NO EMOTION! no build up... nothing. tons of plot holes, of underused characters. and how do you defend that at the end, nothing is fixed? what, the "cure" is magically destroyed (not like all the cure in the world was just at that one location) and everyone in the world suddenly gets along. no, people would be pissed about it, it would just heighten tensions. lots of people wouldnt care if mutants like the X-Men tried to stop it, they'd see all the death and damage and go "DOWN WITH MUTANTS." seriously, X-3 lacked in almost every capacity. even some of the CG was rushed, though some of the action was quite kickass. and the opening was decent, nice effects to make them seem young.
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I really liked it, I didn't expect it to be faithful to the comics, none of the others were, It fits well with the others, and it is way open for sequals. I'm no fan of ratner but it would just be plain Dickey to hate the movie because of him.Give the man his due, he made a fine film.
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they didn't really show scott getting offed, so he could come back. magneto seemed to be regaining his powers at the end. xavier was communicating to moira at the end of the credits. really, does anybody stay dead, or lose their powers in the comics? what makes anybody think the movies are different.
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I know this is talkback for X-Men 3, not Superman, but how come no one mentioned the brand new Superman trailer that played in front? I've haven't seen it online yet. It's coolest one so far. Lex looks bad ass, and Supes talks alot. Sweet.
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noted homo Ian McKellan in a purple hlmet, leading a parade of misfits across San Francisco shouting about not needing to be cured? Suddenly Superman 2 looks straight.
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I agree wholeheartedly with them. For those who think that this movie did not do the Dark Phoenix Saga justice: who said that this was the whole Saga? Jean rose from the dead before; maybe this is just the beginning. As for Cyclops: his body was never found, therefore, in genre terms, it would be foolish to think him dead. Jean suppressed his optic blast, he probably became ill and disoriented. I can imagine that he is somewhere in the North, either suffering from amnesia or psychological damage, which might explain why Xavier could not sense him, and which might explain why Xavier misinterpreted Scott as dead. He may simply be lost and wandering in the North.
So: Jean/Phoenix might return again (perhaps some villain like Shaw from the Hellfire Club might attempt to bring her back so as to use here power for evil purposes). The Phoenix Saga therefore might just be beginning. Also, the appearance of a Sentinel head in the Danger Room at the beginning might also be no more than foreshadowing. We might well be seeing full-on Sentinels in combat in future movies. Why can't some fans just view these things as appetizers? Fans demand Sentinels, Phoenix, etc, and then whine when they get some of them. What are we expecting, a four-hour movie? Don't fool yourselves, this movie will make money and there WILL be sequels (plural: SEQUELS). This movie makes it CLEAR that there will be sequels. Scott is not shown dead, therefore Cyclops will be back. Professr X has transferred his mind to a new body. The Cure is not permanent, and only lasts periodically based probably on dose (based on the final shot of Magneto). This could help Rogue with her problem: maybe a solution could be made for her to inject so that she can temporarily touch others without her powers harming them. Finally, Phoenix can return from the dead. All of these things indicate more movies. So, for those who complain too much was crammed into this movie, I would say that this movie should just serve as a foretaste of things to come. What do you expect, every X-Men story element in one movie? I think that this movie did a fair job, and it certainly racheted up the action over the last two, so I was satisfied with it. -
Harry you have to have an outer body experience on this one. I can't understand how you can drool over MI3 - I haven't met anyone who's liked it and stick it to this.
I really liked it. I really liked the first two x men films. I like the comics. I liked the cartoon.
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you guys do realize Spider-Man 3 comes out one year from now? Lets get over X3 and move on to something you can't hate! HEY HARRY WE KNOW YOU LOVE SPIDER-MAN SO WILL YOU GIVE US SOME ACTUAL NEWS ON THAT ONE OR ARE YOU OUT OF THE RAIMI LOOP???!!!!?????
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From all the negative stuff about this movie before it's release, I was expecting some garbage. I went to see it last nite at 12:01. It was playing on eight screens and they were all packed to my surprise! Anyway, I was thoroughly entertained throughout. I've been a comics fan for almost 20 years and while the story strayed from continuity, I was glad cause the changes caught me by surprise and wrapped up the series pretty well. Sucks that they killed off so many characters and essentially killed the franchise. Hope that Wolverine solo movie will be released though.
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Juggernaut VS. Collossus (how the hell does a head first run into a wall knock you out if you are wearing a metal helmet?) /Iceman VS. Pyro actual fight (a icy headbutt and Pyro is never seen again???)/ Nightcrawler!!! / Cyclops VS. Dark Phoenix for the fate of the world..cykes has to kill the woman he loves to save the world NOT wolvie/ Crazy berserker rage against a swarm of mutants at end with Wolvie....i.e more than 3 shots. Other than those over sights.....
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I'll say right up front that I expect less of a comic adaption than most of the guys who seem to write for this website. I just feel like so many of you guys expect too much out of this films. That goes for adaptations of books, television shows, and hell even remakes of older movies. The original material is what it is and the adaptation will never be that. I'm happy when they get a few things right but I can't imagine obsessing over it. Sure I saw things in this one that were less than perfect. Not enough of them to make it a bad movie. I thought it looked a bit rushed but generally it was good.
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Read comics as a kid but missed Phoenix story; heard about it though. Wasn't going to see this right away, but my son -- who previously expressed no interest --- suddenly decided he wanted to watch all three at once. So we sae the fitst two on DVD and then went right to #3, and seeing them all back to back like that was pretty effective and I did not feel it was the total sea change in story, subtext or tone that some have implied. The first death was poorly handled, as if they didnt believe you could handle a death and lots of new story and character developments at the same time. But it often happens that way in real life so it can be done in movies, too; it just requires careful work and, well, understanding how it happens in life. As it was it remindced me of a pretentious novel -- you know the kind where the author takes three pages to describe a leaf falling to the ground and then describes a baby dying in half a sentence and in such obscure terms you have to read it three time or skip foward before you can confirm somebody died. The first death here, it was like that. My son was cxonfused and then said he's not dead because nobody found the body. My son cried during the second big death but he also called it when the second death occured -- predicting how the character would be resurrected (not so hard since the resurrection device was set up in fairly ham-handed classroom exposotion. The final death was predictable. The character had simply gone too far not to have to pay for it. But when she was dispatched by wolverine along with a teary "I love you:" he could't help but lean in and crack "That's so romantic."
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I almost didn't go and see it based on the reviews from this site. But I was pleasantly surprised. No it wasn't perfect, but what in life is! Don't let these fanboys dissuade you from seeing this movie. Good as the rest of movies, if not better! Please no "well, the rest of the movies suck as well" please. It's based on comic books not Shakespeare for christ's sake people. Get a Life!
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Did anybody else notice that when they showed the video of Mystique ratting out Magneto, she looked as fat as Monica Lewinsky? When your actors gain 40 pounds between scenes, that's not a good thing, Ratner.
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That's high praise! I liked X1 but it wasn't up to snuff with what I wanted it to be. It wasn't until Spiderman came out two years later that I really got a comic book movie that did everything I wanted it to. But I really loved X2. The scene where Jean Grey dies to save everyone was very moving. This film almost hit that level of drama. SPOILER!!!- I'm glad they killed Cyclops offscreen since it means he could return in future films (and I imagine he will if this series continues). I'm bored of Halle Berry's Storm. They should've cast Angela Bassett in that role. I'll be content if they recast her in future films. I don't regret Patrick Stewart dying fairly early. Every X-Fan knows that Professor X bites it. The final shot of the film with Magneto was classic. Even though the film never hit the dramatic high point of X2, I felt Brett Ratner did a terrific job of directing it. Ian McKellan, as always, did a terrific job of showing Magneto's human side despite his nature as a diabolical villain. My three big complaints were Famke Jansen, Anna Paquin and Rebecca Romijn. I was disappointed by their decision to kill of Jean Grey at the end. We thought she was dead, only to have her back, then die again. And Mystique was barely there at all. They're all terrific in these parts but their characters were underwritten just so boring Halle Berry could have more to do as Storm. The action scenes could have had more energy but Zak Penn did a good job with this script as he did before with X2. It had a good story and engaging special effects. I loved Kelsey Grammar and I wish they'd had him in X2 instead of Nightcrawler, given that Alan Cumming didn't return for this. Still, I really liked this film. I think it was much better than the first film although it didn't acheive the near perfection that was X2. I hope they do an X4, I'd love to see where this story goes next. Will Magneto get his powers back? Is the 'cure' only temporary. I think that's one of the main reasons I like this series. All three of these films had terrific closing shots.
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http://www.modellaunch.com/face/article.php?id=Omahyra_Mota&pg=1 Aparently the really busted tranny looking Mutant from Magneto's posse is a supermodel now. So it's not just me. Standards are lowered in movies AND beauty. Great.
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I got dissed on by Vern! Now I know how all those 13 year old boys felt after one of Michael Jackon's sleepovers.
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The Danger Room scene was straight out of *T2*. The liquid on the ceiling was from *The Prince of Darkness*. The commando invasion of the Brotherhood camp seen on the vid screen was from *Patriot Games*. And the Jean/Logan scenes had me thinking back to *Blade2*. Same goes for the ashing. I won't claim the Pyro/Iceman faceoff was from *Big Trouble in Little China* even though it did remind me of it but done more seriously. The end scene after the credits redeemed my gripe about ProfessorX biting it. Still, I thought it was great. Who knew Ratner had it in him? But I give two big thumbs down on the over-the-top Dell product placement. Lame! At least the Sony Playstation3 placement was creative ("PS3" in big letters on Bobby's seat on the BlackBird). And I still will say that this will be better than Singer's *Scrawnyman Returns*. That looks like a nice and shiny travesty.
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is that the last 2 seconds after the credits FUCKING BLEW ME AWAY. WOW. HOLY SHIT. THAT REALLY DID IT FOR ME. seriously, awesome finish and a great movie. well-acted, finely written and some things weren't perfect {the major deaths, the sex and the "cure"} but brilliantly executed nonetheless.
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utterly forgetable. Just one badly done scene after the next. It really is a grind to watch this movie. Its just plain lame. I got excited when Beast and Wolverine were walking down the corridor to the X-Jet, but then I remembered everything that happened before that shot and realized what was to come after it. The ending(s) really is/are the perfect cap to this film. Its like driving down the side of a rocky mountain with no shocks and then slamming right into a boulder... and then exploding... and then going to purgatory which is a movie theater that only plays this movie... forwards then backwards. There is no plot. There is no emotional interest in any of these "characters". There are no saving graces. Its crap through and through. Its how NOT to make a movie. Comic book themed or otherwise. Its everything wrong with American Cinema.
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Bastards, they should of just got Ray Park and had a beter mutant on mutaNT BATTLE AT THE END. I mean most of the 'pawns' didn't even have powers. There was just Toad and Limb Replacement man. Also, did Jean ever admit to killing Scott? Cause if not I never saw a body eoither. X3 the last one my ass. Too much left to do.
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Period. I completely enjoyed this movie. It hit on stuff in the comics at least in essence. There was also some idiot that said the Phoenix thing never came about. WHAT??? Her whole friggin' screen time was about her being Dark Phoenix. Your all a bunch oh whiny, comic book geek losers who can't just go to a movie to sit down and enjoy it. Screw the lot of you hatin' losers. Ratner kicked absloute ASS considering the constraints he was put under to finish this film. I haven't bothered buyinh X2 on DVD , I will be geting X3, however. EXCELSIOR!
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Yeah, that sucked.
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I think everyone's said everything that needs to be said. Now bring on X4: Days of Future Past!
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First of all guy, take a valium. Okay, now that you're relaxed, it's okay for me to not like a movie based on bad writing, bad characterization and general inconsistencies of the plot. Just like it's okay for you to like a movie because things go smashy-smashy. We can get along, and we don't have to take the other person's opinions as an attack on oneself. See? Are we all better now? Good. Now mommy will be up in a minute to tuck you in. Douche.
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Haha, that's some funny $#!7.
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I almost cried it was so horrible. They did no creedence to the intent or spirit of the characters. For anybody who says that comics and or comic book movies should not be taken seriously obviously hasn't read many comics. People wonder.." Why are the comic book fans up in arms about the major plot and character changes? Don't they know this isn't the comic book?". And even more disturbing are the comments I have seen that state that comic book movies shouldn't be taken seriously... it's in the nature of comics to be light.
First of all if you are going to change so much content and even the characters attitude in the story... why bother attribute it to the comic. Second of all for those people who think that serious book movies that are serious are less enjoyable I have a list of movies that took themselves pretty serious and still managed to rock. Batman, batman returns,batman begins, superman, superman II, constantine and V for vendetta. i probably could list more but I am tired and after seeing X3 I feel mentally drained as well. -
x-3 was as true to the comics as Hostel was "based on a true story."
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I was going to write my own review, but after reading Andy's I realize that he pretty much summed up my exact thoughts. This movie had its moments, some of which were truly grand, but in the end, it felt like a "missed opportunity" (to borrow Andy's words).
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between "ain't it fun news" and "ain't it cool news". This discussion is anything but fun. The first 8 Black Sabbath records are cooler than the X-Men. X-Men are pretty cool.
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X1 is so many times worse than X3, and X2 is only slightly better than X3 that I have no clue what these negative reviews are babbling on about. See this movie for yourself. Don't believe the antihype.
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...you'll either like the movie or dislike it on your own. Not a one of us, with our incredible powers of persuasion and questionable writing skills, could change the mind of a single viewer of the film and/or visitor to this site. (Kinda like Charles and Erich, eh?) Having said that, I thought it was terrific. Famke kicked ass (and god but she looked scary throughout most of it, but in a cool way), it was a treat to see Mystique naked in human form (John Stamos, what the hell is wrong with you?), the action scenes were staged well, loved seeing Storm in a much more assertive role...and Wolverine rocked, as always. Just me opinion, mateys, not a universal truth. And I will admit that as much as I enjoyed comics as a kid, I never read any of the X-men stuff. It appears that if I had, I would have considered this movie a Violation of the Dark Phoenix Canon, or some such thing. Well, I'm sure I'll get mine, if they ever make a Wonder Woman or Ms. Marvel film...THEN I guess I'll be sorry I wasted ten dollars. As for now, I'm of the firm belief that this film more than matched its previous installment; and what more can you realistically ask of a sequel?
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I think all the negative buzz lowered my expectations enough for me to really enjoy the movie. Sure, it could have done a few things differently and better, but i'll get over it. Kitty Pryde vs. Juggernaut was great, Madrox was pretty spot on, Ian McKellan is freaking amazing...Xavier's death pack a lot of emotional resonance while it was happening, and Dark Jean was scary as hell. And as for not having a Dark Phoenix that was closer to Claremont's story: get over it. The whole plot about Xavier placing blocks on Jean's powers for her own protection was a nice parallel to the Cure storyline, and I don't think it was out of character for Xavier to have done so at all, as he genuienly believed he was doing the right thing. And the ol' AINC gang must have never read a comic book in thier lives if they're getting angry about the two closing scenes with Magneto and Xavier...Nothing ever lasts forever in the Marvel Universe. I liked X2 better, but this movie worked for me, and I hope somebody works up the nerve to do a decent X4.
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after seeing the movie, i went back and read mori's review of the script... besides the wolverine/storm hook up, its pretty accurate, even most of the dialogue matched up exactly with the movie... what i really love, is how avi arad, simon kinberg, tom rothman, and numerous others have said how this particular script review was completely bullshit and a total lie... what assholes! they just didnt want to admit that this movie was gonna suck! the movie is almost exactly as the script review reads, and the fact that the interviews with the people involved with this movie said it was untrue pisses me off...
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I just got back from a screening in the Lower East Side. The crowd LIT UP when the Superman Returns trailer hit
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Just to drive the point home, anything that Ratner TRIED to do obviously could not possibly have worked under the best of circumstances unless you were already a raving Fanboy Geek Maniac. Case in point --- Beast
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First off, props to Brett Ratner for doing the best he could with X3. The film doesn't totally suck, and as long as you don't really care about the X-Men (or accept the movie universe as its own thing), then the movie will actually be kick ass. However, there's a problem when greatness is within reach and one settles for just good enough or flat-out mediocre. Everyone did the best they could with this script and this schedule. This movie is a failure of preproduction. This movie is failure of Marvel Entertainment whoring themselves out for cash now. Where the fuck is my great film? Where is my epic of the Dark Phoenix, retooled for present-day cinema? De-aging? Excellent! Great start! Alkali Lake? Now we're getting somewhere! Storm vs. the Tattoo Gang on Alcatraz? ... Huh? If you want the Morlocks, bring on the Morlocks! Mutants so fucked up they can't fit in sounds perfect for a cure storyline. Not a "return of the Phoenix" storyline. Too much story, not enough time. It's like something rushing you through two meals in ten minutes that would have been great but someone screwed up the recipes. It hurts; that movie should have been better. I think that Matthew Vaughn realized this. Vaughn would have fucked this up. Layer Cake doesn't prepare you to deal with the situation at hand. Ratner seemed like he had it covered. Not that he's a hack, but he's a pro. And this movie is all business. Nothing less, nothing more. And that hurts. In the end, Vaughn saved himself a lot of trouble from being involved. He would have brought ideals and ideas to the table instead of doing what he was told. And at that point, not because of Vaughn or Ratner or even Singer, but because of Rothman and the other FOX execs, doing what was told to them was the best we could get. And I'll settle for that, because it could have been worse. Elektra-worse. Generation-X-worse. Nick Fury-Agent of Shield-worse. So I'm glad for what I got, and pissed at what could have been. And the sad truth is that Vaughn would have made it worse. And that is why he is a genius.
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i am simply amazed. so much positive feedback, while so many good films have been crapped on here. i guess standards really have lowered. and the fact that the people who like X-3 are taking anything negative so personally, just wow. i am surprised, and I think it proves the average AINCer is even dumber than we all thought. from Harry's ass stupid review to this talkback, just GOD DAMN.
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His name is "The Doctor", not "Dr. Who", bitch. And yes, The Doctor could easily defeat C-3PO, whether its with his Sonic Screwdriver or with K-9. Granted, considering C-3PO's sexual orientation, he could probably write one hell of an episode of *Doctor Who* right up there with Mark Gatiss. I'm just saying!
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It was alright, definitely entertaining. But it felt dead on the screen, no real life to the characters. Rushed. I can kind of see why Matthew Vaughn dropped out... short production schedule, weak script going to camera... good to walk away with some integrity.
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... and so did the audience (Memphis, sold out). Don't think I even saw anyone get up for popcorn. Biggest reactions were for "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch", "Grow *those* back"... and the trailers for Flushed Away, Superman Returns, and Snakes on a Motherfuckin' Plane. SoaP got a HUGE reaction. As for X3... I'm a major comic book fan, love the X comics, and I loved this movie. Was it the Claremont/Byrne "Dark Phoenix Saga"? 'Course not. Couldn't be. That would require a budget of billions and a twenty hour running time, and it'd be boring as hell onscreen. My only complaint with X3 is that it shoulda been longer. This movie ROCKED.
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Sometimes the novelizations of the screenplays surpass the cinematic version. Pick up the novelization of *The Goonies*. Its priceless. Its so much better with Mickey's character narrating the story. Or, how about the novelization of *Return of the Jedi*? That had the Emperor taunting Luke over the untimely death of Yoda, unlike the film. That showed the Emperor knew his stuff a lot more than Vader with his vocal track being stuck on "Obi-Wan taught you well" because his iPod's hard drive flaked out. So don't h8 the novelizations.
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I swear, you'll all give Singer a passing grade just because of what he's done before. Did you guys give Kubrick a passing grade for his last film? Doubtful. Yes, Scrawnyman Returns looks nice visually. So did EpisodeI. But you guys want to seriously see a film that recycles the plots of SupermanI&II, with a totally wrong cast? You want to pay money to see madcrazy Lex Luthor surrounded by dolts instead of the super-plotting billionnaire that most of us would rather see (or the bumbling Clark Kent persona on top of that!)? You want to pay money to see the tired cliche with SuperBastard saving the day? And yet you all criticize X3 for falling short. All I can say is that you all can suck the box office of X3 when Scrawnyman Returns has its box office stolen by Pirates2.
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But I agree, a lot of the stuff could definitely have been done better, and more could have been done in this particular movie. I liked it more than I thought I would, though. I felt better after the post-credits scene, cuz I was really upset when Xavier died. I guess that's my biggest gripe at the moment: Why did so many of them have to die? Granted, it's the X-Men and they're never really dead, but still.
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"the original Superman flicks are complete shit, so please stop using them as examples of comic book films done right. Reeves as Clark Kent was fucking Velveeta. the guy had cheese coming out of his pores. And don't even get my started on Margot Kidder, what a shitty choice for Lois Lane. You could cut glass on that bitch's creepy, angular cheekbones."
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I regret to inform that Harry Knowles has been diagnosed with terminal cancer of the craw. The metastasis shows up on x-ray as millions of Tom Rothman-shaped cells, smiling, laughing, and eating his flesh all the way to the bank. The advanced nature of this illness has compromised his optic nerve to the point of a hallucinatory myopia towards select comic adaptations, where he fervently sees only things as he believes they should be, to the detriment of peers and the missed enjoyment of what is actually onscreen.
Early recognition of this illness was apparent last year around the premiere of the Fantastic Four movie (Personal Note: Why the recent climactic appearance of a "V Army" escaped unscathed as an killing blow to a most-revered story is unknown both to medical science and this clinician). The tumor produces pheremones apparently strong enough to infect his inner circle, though it appears localized to his Austin cohort.
Without aggressive removal of the Rothman tumor from his craw, Mr. Knowles' condition will continue to deteriorate; he may eventually begin to retroactively despise previously-endorsed adaptations. For instance, expressing bilious hatred towards Ang Lee for having the temerity to not insist that the resurrected corpse of King Kirby himself not personally animate the Hulk's exploits...
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Look - I LOVE me some X-Men. Some "Classic" X-Men, at that. My Essentials are dog-eared and coffee-stained. The entire Phoenix Saga is one of Marvel's greatest arcs. Lost interest from the foil cover craze until the Morrison run. I enjoy the current Whedon run and am looking forward to Ed Brubaker's stab at it. If those creds don't put me in with the mutant "cool kids," then Goddamn this is a tough room. What I Just Don't Get is why, with that same longstanding affection for all things X-Men, am I viler than Tyler Mane's sweaty Sabretooth codpiece for loving the absolute fuck out of X3? Harry (and you other "haters" by extension)- why did we see the same movie so differently? What's important is that X3 is reverent towards its own continuity, plays by the rules and style of that 3-movie universe, and is somehow truest in spirit (if not dogma) to the whole of what X-Men comics are and have ever been about (epic deaths, epic action, epic soap opera, epic ostracism, epic acceptance, and epic clever powers).
Maybe the difference is that I thought they did a fine job with "a" Phoenix story that was a logical progresion of what had come before it. They certainly didn't do "the" Dark Phoenix Saga.(Geek digression: there are two deleted scenes in the first movie which reference Xavier having deliberatey held Jean's power in-check and Rogue willinglness to accept a "cure").
It's petty and short-sighted to be in your late-20s/early 30s and not believe you could live long enough to see someone adapt your favorite story using your favorite medium. For Christ's sake, Harry, I'd pay cash money to see your vision of the Phoenix Saga; throw your Hollywood weight around and do it animated with Genndy Tartatovsky or Robert Rodriguez five or ten years from now.
I can understand loathing Rothman and all he represents. He's undisputably bad to movies. Like you, I would have come all over a Peyton Reed-directed, Kirbyed-out retro F4 like Sue herself was bobbing in front of me, but that still didn't stop me one bit from letting myself enjoy an actual Fantastic Four movie playing in an honest-to-God cinema in 2005. Maybe that'll be the movie I make some day... Another example, five years ago, in the torpor of the failure of the Bat-franchise, I was so disappointed no one had taken the O'Neil/Adams Ra's al Ghul/Bondian Batman to the big screen (especially considering how well Timm/Dini were adapting it for the cartoons). Four years later and Chris Nolan is taking on that challenge and adding so much more.
Too late in the evening to be repeating myself, but to sum up:
Bully for me for being open-minded enough to see X3 for all that it is and what it fulfills in its universe. Bully for me for having been reminded how incendiary Olivia Williams is (what an interesting Bond girl she would make...). Negative two points for the admittedly egregious bridge edit from late afternoon to night. Okay, negative fourteen points for that one thing. Bully for me for not having craw cancer when it comes down to it. Maybe you'll get it right the next time.
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I noticed someone mentioned there'd be no Gambit and Rogue storyline in this franchise, but considering Magneto's powers seemed to be returning, I'd guess the same will happen to anyone hit with the "cure," including Rogue and Mystique.
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Why did so many have to die??? 3 people died. 2 actually did, and 1 was guaranteed (Jean). So basically Cyclops was the only one to kick the bucket. And yes, he is dead. That "I didn't see a body" defense ain't gonna fly. You didn't see Xavier's either did ya? Nope, because there was nothing left. Can we assume that Pyro was killed, did anyone spot him escaping? It would have been nice if Bobby would have carried him to safety. But, oh well.
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One of the 3 is alive. They reveal who in a dunbshit way after the credits rolled.
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WRONG! (sorry, heh.) Actually he was Kermit The Frog. Seriously. A top notch imitation too.
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Jean and Cyclops die. Charles died, maybe. Mystique, Rogue, they didn't die but they lost their powers rendering them useless. Magneto too, maybe. So potentially 6 main characters are gone.
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Um, did you not see the part where I said "2 actually did"? And it wasn't a "dunshit" way that baldy returned. They set it up in the film, and remember he is/was/is again (?) the world's greatest telepath.
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Did they not have the budget to put the flames surrounding her when she went all badass? I almost didn't mind the difference from the comic book cuz it would hard to fit it all in, but at least put the flames in and make it look cool!
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The Wolverine and Magneto prequels are up next and The New Mutants flick that was rumored, maybe somthing entirely different from what we expected. Ratner keeps referring to it as the Xavier Shcool movie. Maybe, just, maybe, its about the young Cyclops and Jean. Wouldn't that be a kick in the nads for the fans? I mean if you think about it, that would make total sense when the other two spinoffs are prequels. That way the Mags (series?) could crossover with the Young X-men (series?). We'll just have to wait and see what happens with this one.
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and Jean, theres not many characters to fill out the roster. You could have Storm, and Beast. But who else? Possibly Banshee? Forge? Havok? Wow, you know, this one is could be interesting.
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big stinky pile of poo
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Good plot, good action......HORRIBLE DIALOGUE. it literally had everyone in the theatre laughing. my only major complaints is that there was no jubilee (who i happen to love), and they totally fucked over my favorite character: psylocke. the shadow teleporting was a tiny power she had for a few months. no psychic knife? come on! one line of dialogue and she's dead? hopefully they'll retcon her back into a british telepath in a future movie.
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My review in three words: Good stuff, Maynard.
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That would be *Interstate 60*.
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Yup, I'm trying to "cheat" paragraphs cause man o man I hate huge blocks of text. *cough* HTML Compatibility is not that tough to incorporate into a forum *cough*...That abortion of mine (which is the same post repeated twice in one post) wasn't too pretty either but it'll come. It'll come.
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Where to begin? How shambolic. The shitty leather bound mutants that just stood behind Magneto (was the mutant power of one of them just to look like Prince?). The loss of characterisation for all old characters. Including new mutants just to have them fly in and out of 3 scenes - literally in one case. The talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, action narrative. The eye-rollingly stupid "set-piece" with the golden state bridge. Halle Berry. Phoenix never really existing except for in exposition. Deaths of main characters rendered meaningless by insipid writing and direction. Could go on but am as bored writing about the film as I was watching it. Hope to fuck Ratner and Co. dont get their lacklustre hands on Wolverine spin-off.
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I liked the comics, I liked the movie. Too stoned on Xanax to say more, but great fun.
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Not as good as X2 and probably not even the first one BUT...it was alright. I can understand being pissed off about the ass raping of the Phoenix storyline but we were never gonna get that anyway. Cmon Harry get real. And I have never considered these movies inline with comic continuity anyway so why the fuck would you expect them to start now. If anything they are more in line with the Ultimate storyline and EVEN THEN barely adhere to that. The movies are a Xmen continuity unto themselves, so to expect them to be anything else is just unrealistic and hypocritical. If you liked X2 how can you bitch about continuity? All the films are far from it. Was alot of this film silly? yes. Was it the steaming pile of shit Harry and cronies tried to make it out to be? NO.
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But who should play him? I'm 100% for Vincent Cassel to be Gambit, but I haven't figured out who should portray Sinister. Could Michael Wincott do it? If it were to be British actors, would either Sean Pertwee or Paul McGann suffice? Thoughts?
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Once upon a time there were a group of guys who loved movies. They got together and formed a company, a site, if you will, and they would report on all things movie-related, and would write about movies past, present, and future. And everything was fine. But then one day they started to praise, and really like films that were utter garbage. Then things got really bad...and weird. These group of guys started bad mouthing films that were not done according to the ways they think movies should be made. And they started to push an agenda forward. "The only way we will praise a film is if you do it only, and only according to the way we think it should be done, or only do things we like. What's more, we will destroy the reputation of the film before it even opens." Something didn't seem right. It was as if they were trying to contaminate, or manipulate the very medium they loved, and the thing that brought them together in the first place. And even this agenda became incosistent at times. Money or perks, or something better than that must have been offered to them, and that changed them completly. They took on one film in particular, and they said they hated the script, they complained about the shooting schedule, the director, the producers, etc. They complained about, in a word, everything about that particular film. And this went on up until the moment of release. Then the movie opened and every single one of these guys who had formed this company soiled their pants, and salivated endlessly with every scene they were watching, and the fact that that actually happened is actually not very hard to deduce. Not if you know the taste of the guys in question (case in point- One particular movie about an asteroid comes to mind, and that film had a quick pace,lots of heroics, explosions, cool FX, and emotionals scenes where loved ones say goodbye with a heavy heart, because they knew it is the end of their time together. And X-Men 3 has scenes 748 times better than the scenes in that film about the asteroid. So if they liked those scenes in the film with the asteroid, they liked the scenes in X-Men 3. 2+2 is always 4, and that is that). So these guys saw the film, then two things happened. They loved the film, but to mantain their reputation and save whatever credibility they had left, they decided to save face and not eat crow, and to not accept that they were wrong about this one and that the movie works. Of the main guys who write for this site, only one had the stones to write the truth, and say that he truly enjoyed the film and that the thing works. But make no mistake, the reason why that one guy actually said, and wrote he liked it, is the same reason why the others, who also liked it, said and wrote that they hated it. Convenience. The guy who wrote he liked it is the only one who's true, true priority is to really get inside the business and play the game, and is the only one who has taken enough people to lunch that something he wrote has been made. Can you imagine the embarrasment of that guy trying to move in the circles of a business where the film will be regarded as a real success, and a good movie, and a 8/10 in most lists, and the guy still saying it was bad, and he was right all along? No, he decided to admit he badmouth the thing, but the thing really worked, and to keep playing the game. Calculated move, sure, but probably more in tune with the truth. I have only seen one thing this guy wrote, and judging from that, I don't think there is enough originality, energy, and enough sheer writing talent there where I will ever see anything else from him actually getting made. Having said that, the writers of X-Men have in an e-mail they send to their mothers, more talent than any person who writes for these site could ever hope to have. And yes, I'm going there **HEAVY SPOILER**. The I kill you because I love you motiff have been present in many works and legends throughout history, and it works every time. Most recently in Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men(novel and movies), where George knows Lenny has to be killed, but he wouldn't allow anyone but himself to kill him, because he loves Lenny and would do it quickly and truly out of mercy. In the X-Men movies, no one loves Jean more than Logan, and now we know it for sure. The love triangle, and really, the real love story has now come full circle. In the movies, Scott really loves Jean, but can you really picture or envision, if you will, Scott killing Jean? Even if she asked, for her own good? No. It's Logan's thing. Only Logan loves her that much, so much that he would bare that pain forever for her sake. So it's even more powerful. I'm the only one who can kill you, because I'm the one who loves you the most. Not only that, but it seems and feels like they had planned this arc all along going back to the first movie, and now every scene between Jean and Logan going back to the begining and X1, is and feels more urgent, and more powerful. Powerful stuff indeed and very good writing. No one who writes for this site will ever come close to accomplishing something remotely close to that. So, yeah, like somebody mentioned before. It is irresponsible, as people who reach a massive audience, to like a film, and to know that a film pulled it off, and that it works, and for your ulterior motives, still say that you were right all along and that the movie is crap. That is the end of this story, dear reader. And know that, in the future, many versions, and changes and backtracking will come as to what really happened, and what was really said. They will try to sell you other versions, and say what was written was misunderstood and whatever. Much like politicians lying to get the country into a war, or liying to not get impeached over improper behavior and cover-ups. Keep in your mind the real facts and truths. Note that I never mentioned any names in this talback, yet everyone of you knows to which individual I am refering to in each sentence. Of course, I did that on purpose. It's called manipulation. They do it on this site all the time. Why, then, can't we do it as well? When it first came out, Roger Ebert said that Blade Runner was an awful film (All who write for this site ejoyed Blade Runner, right? I thought so). Many years later he changed his comments about the film and said it's a good one and that he had been wrong all along. I think he did this out of responsability. Responsability with himself as a critic, as well as responsability with the artform and the medium as a whole, and also, becuse he knew that he was basically full of crap. I think the only way the owner of these site can reedem himself is by stating he was wrong, and giving this film the praise it deserves. I, and maybe some of you will be waiting for that. I can wait 10, 20 years, it doesn't matter, as long as it happens. Lord knows, if the exact same film, shot by shot, would have been directed by Bryan Singer, we would never, for the rest of our lives, stop hearing the daily praise the film would receive on this site. Actually, the name of the site would have been changed to www.ainitcoolx-men.movies24/7allthetime.com
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It plays out like a B action movie with really neat effects. It moves way to fast, there's no emotion or depth to it and before you know it, they're at the final battle. And the little bit of film after the credits was stupid. Fox really screwed this up.
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This movie sucked ass as summer movie and Blows monkey balls as a Xmen movie oh yeah heres a spioler in the Charles trnasfers his mind into a comatose dude on mueir island. Collosus looks like shit and did less. I know Singer and mckellen are gay but they never fucked me like Rothman, Ratner and Fox. this movie floats between Batman and Robin, and Catwoman.
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Wolverine in the commercial and original trailer saying: "you may not come back, she may not come back, can you live with that" Instead they change the scene up to have Logan give everyone a pep talk. Gezzz
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How any of you could possibly like this movie after Wolverine thrust his claws into Jean Grey's belly is a mystery to me. That was the final straw. This movie anal raped the characters.
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I was gutted that everything I'd read on here was true.
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you're not into the comics is fucking ludicrous. I hate this movie cuz it's a bad fucking movie, with terrible scripting and sadly hilarious line delivery. Everything from hairstyling to costuming to the fucking grass looks corny and cheap. Oh, and how priceless is the buildup to the climax where we go from high noon to midnight in one edit! Pricelessly incompetent. What a bag of total crap!! Fuck you FOX. FUCK YOU!!!
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Having no background in the X-Men saga, I loved it. Some of the dialogue was clunky, though: BEASTIE BOY: "There's no choice left now, we must close the school." WOLVIE: "Yup. Gotta close the school. No other option exists." STORMY: "The school will not close." BEASTIE and WOLVIE: "Okay, whatever." Still, the action was great and I thought Wolverine offing Jean was a great ending. But again, I have no history here.
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IF YOU DON'T HAVE YER CYCLOPS, YOU CAN'T HAVE YER SINISTER. HOW CAN YOU HAVE YER SINISTER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE YER CYCLOPS???
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If you've watched SMALLVILLE this season, I think you know who should play him. I believe the actor I'm thinking of, would make a fine choice.
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They completely bothced it. Juggernaut being some random convict... his helmet being used to keep from hurting his head when he ran into things?? THAT is terrible. Oh yeah... and how about the "Do you know who I am? I'm The Juggernaut, bitch!" line?? I wanted to walk out. For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about... go look up "I'm the Juggernaut bitch" on a search engine and watch the dubbed cartoon that was put out wayyy before the movie. While it is funny in the dubbed cartoon spoof... it's quite possibly the worst line of a movie, ever. Worse than "KAAAAHHHHNNNN!!!!"
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That was genius... lol
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Some of you have so much hate for Ratner it clouds your judgement. Sad really.
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...a bowling ball hitting pins sound when Juggernaut rammed those men on Alcatraz. Stupid. But my biggest gripe---too much story summarized in one short movie. The Dark Phoenix saga is just that---a saga! It would have been like making the Lord of The Rings one movie! Bad move, Marvel. Don't blow Iron Man or Thor....please!!!!!!
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X1 was shaky. Fight at the Statue of Liberty was CORNY. Anyone remember Storm's hair? Not a great film. But Wolvie was kool.
X2 committed sin by tossing away Wolverine's back story in 10 minutes instead of planning a solo trilogy around his search for his origins. Any fan of the X-Men should be ashamed to get behind that one for that reason alone.
X3 so far is the only one that showed good mutant battle and had decent elements and irony for characters. Maggs ending ruled.
Even the Chuck Xavier / Obi-Wan thing was good.
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This is a real Like it or Hate it flick. Honestly, it is right up there with X1. It stumbles here and there just like X1, but nothing here was awful as many would have you think. Honestly, I'm surprised. I was pretty sure I was going to hate the flick myself, but it juggles so much that it ends up becoming an endless parade of everything we wanted in the first two movies. Check it out.
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All I can say is that I was entertained and I liked it. I will say that there was not enough Angel and I was pissed that my theater didn't get the Snakes On A Plane trailer (we did get the cool new Supes trailer though)
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This is how awful this "movie" was. A monumental piss-take of epic shit-tacular proportions. I just got one question for you, and answer me because I HEARD YOU SAY IT: How can a movie be "entertaining" but have no "character development"? Any one of you who actually "liked" this P O S is either A) waaaay too drunk B) waaay to high C) waaaay to deluded and hypnotized by bad PR. By the way, whatever it is you guys are smoking, drinking or otherwise suffocating from, I DON'T WANT ANY OF IT. This movie is awful filmmaking 101, and though it pains me to say, for once, I agree with Harry. The movie = sad and laughable in equal measure, but mostly just really sad.
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>>>> "definitely entertaining. But felt dead on screen." <<<< WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??
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It's been said a gazillion times but I'll say it again. There are directors who have a visionand there are directors who just do as the studio tells them. This flick is a prime example of the latter. This is jumbo popcorn, matinee-sized X-Men - dumbed down for the masses to insure Fox an easy $150 Million Plus. Rothman sho-nuff picked the right man for the job. Damn the fanboys. Damn the spirit of the comics. Damn the screenwriting! Just make it simple as possible and blow a lot of shit up in the process. They've done it before (FF anyone?). They'll do it again next summer (FF 2, anyone?). There is a bright side: at least Storm and Wolvie were making out every 5 minutes like Moriarty's script review indicated.
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and I liked it a lot. I thought it was cool when Wolverine's skin was peeling off and re-healing.
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X3 had dozens of cool moments. Daredevil was nothing but shit.
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"Fuck ALL you "haters". Raimi does it again!!! I totally fucking knew it. harry was against it from the beginning but he's just biased and is jealous of Topher prolly cause he wanted to play the character himself. Besides Mori and Roger Ebert said they kind of liked it sort of in some way so you know it must be truth, Mori liked Daredevil and hte Punisher so he's obviously the authority on comic films. I mean it was awesome, when he said "I am the ANTI SPIDER MAN!!" it really sent chills through my spine. i mean seriously what writing. And when he killed Aunt May off screen I forced myself to cry. Really touching. but you've still got all the nerds bitching about how it's not like the comics. Fuck the comics. It's not like we wouldn't have these character if it weren't for those stupid "comics". Who cares if Grace didn't look, sound or act anything like the character. You formed your opnion before the movie even came out, it's not like one can actually have the forsight to see when something is obviously a bad idea and given that Hollywood likes to screw up even the most perfect of situations up it stands to reason that they would fuck up something that sounds awful from the start. I mean that's the future, you can't tell the future. Move out of your parents basements nerds. I mean it's just a movie who cares? I;m not at a movie news website taking the time to get a username and password just so I can post on it. Who cares if the movie isn't perfect? It could never please the fans anyway so why not have shitty acting, writing, and directing? It's just entertainment. It means nothing to me and it should mean nothing to you. Anyway I'm going to continue never thinking about anything that could hurt my enjoyment of anything. Fuck art." ---This post brought to you by some random talkbacker in a Spider Man 3 talkback from the future
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Much like gravity and distance, your enjoyment of this movie is inversely proportional to the square of how much you know and love X-Men.
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WTF? I used to be able to masturbate to her in the comics... but now Psylocke looks like she'd shove her penis in my ass. No thanks
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Someone in an above post compared X3 to "Of Mice and Men". Let me repeat that. X3 and "Of Mice and men". One is a bad melodramatically written mess, the other is one of the great american novels written by one of the great american novelists. The fact that a black hole didn't open when I put those two titles in the same sentence and suck us all in is a miracle. I mean even if you think X3 is amazing to compare it to "Of Mice and.....fuck it nevermind.
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I wrote a mini review for my friends and emailed it off:
X-Men 3: The Last Stand or "Superman did not save the Titanic" - Grade: C-
Warning: This review is very unprofessional, and does not follow the reviewers general practice of when he does review a film (which is rare)so yeah, with that in mind
I'll keep this short, because no one likes a long, drawn out & generally painful dissertation on why a particular movie sucks.
X-Men 3: The Last Stand is a terrible film with a few moments that alluded to what may have been if Bryan Singer (the first two X-Men flicks) hadn't left for that green valley of Superman Returns, or if Matthew Vaughn (Layer Cake) had not been told he would not have the time needed to craft a decent film. Brett Ratner is not an A-list director...while he makes serviceable films, he is most certainly a B-movie director. Maybe a B minus. Anyway, he's in over his head and it shows. Uninspiring script, cast (not entirely his fault), cinematography and sets lead us to believe that he probably didn't have as much fun as this as he'd like us to believe.
The movie starts off fine enough...but quickly it forgets plot. It forgets about the characters. In fact the third X-Men film pisses away any good will the audience had toward the first two films so fast, that you know it forgot to eat its meat and potatoes. I was vaguely aware that everything in the movie seemed familiar. It didn't take too long to figure out why this was: It's X-Men: The Monty Python Experience. Unfortunately, it doesn't transcend into that sort of brilliance, instead becoming unabashedly silly. Just witness Pyro throwing fire like Tim the Enchanter...
Like Monty Python and the Holy Grail, The Last Stand has a series of events that are somewhat connected, but really, just feature the same characters. And a whole bunch of peasants (or mutants in this case). Some speeches are made. People lose limbs. No French accents were noticed, but Halle Berry has a third accent for this third film. It wasn't even remotely African sounding either. Continuity Ms Berry? Is it too much to ask for?
Thankfully, that demi-god of an actor, Ian McKellen, is able to salvage the terrible dialogue that he is given as Magneto. Then again, he could take this review and make it sound half intelligent.
To be totally serious, this film pisses me right off. They could have made a decent film from the big hint that was dropped at the end of X2, but instead, they decide to crap all over the time and emotional investment that an audience has built up towards these characters. Anyone who knows anything about the comic should not be happy with this film. X2 was a brilliant superhero film...this is Batman & Robin, except worse.
Quite honestly people, save your money and go buy a Monty Python movie. It's basically the same thing, and you'll enjoy it a hell of a lot more.
On a happier note, the trailer for Snakes on a Plane (no link available sorry kids!) elicits much glee and squee from the audience. It's gonna be huge folks...and the third domestic trailer for Superman Returns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDJSQNlIn4k) is magnificent, although it did inspire one witty audience member to shout out "Superman did not save the Titanic!" - which in a way also totally sums up the X-Men movie too. But I digress...
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Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right...anyway, I'll go see it, and I'll probably enjoy it at least somewhat, because I'm going in without having any major expectations. I'm not a hardcore X-Men fan by any means, so the lack of continuity or faithfulness to the source material means nothing. I've never thought much of Brett Ratner as a director, so I'm not expecting high quality in the film. If I'm going to see a movie like this, it's because I want to be entertained, and I'm sure that this movie will accomplish that to even a minimal degree. I'm not even going to get my hopes up that high for Superman Returns, even though I'm a hardcore Superman fan and I LOVED the first two movies. Better to walk in with low expectations and be pleasantly surprised, I think...makes the ridiculous amount of money you spent to see it worth losing. But, hey, waste time all you want debating about this, whining about that. It's all for naught, since the deed is done and the blood's been spilt, but whatever turns your cranks...
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I'd write more, but it doesn't deserve more of an explanation than that. If only for how the movie treated Rogue's character, and the uber-lame forced love triangle. Whatta heap o' crap.
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I have never read an X-men comic so going in all I knew about the Pheonix was from the 90s cartoon. That being said, the action in the movie was well done. I thought it was shoddy that so many cbaracters died without as much as an afterthought. Some of the plot in the movie defied logic for me in regards to how the Cure could have been used in the certain character's lives. My friend who was with me was very excited about the very last frame. The wolverine action was cool and got me excited about a Wolverine movie. Harry was wrong about this one by dismissing it as a movie because it didnt follow the comics, but I guess if I was that close to the Pheonix Saga I would be a little depressed too. All in all it is a fun action movie with good storytelling that is worthy of the price of admission
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Start having car-washes and yard-sales so you can raise the money to hire the actors and necessary staff to film one...because that's the only way you will ever get a panel-by-panel recreation of a comic-based film. No studio is ever going to do it.
Not that they really have any motivation to, even the heaviest of bitchers on here has given them their $8 and probably won't admit it but in a few months will be plunking down $20+ for the DVD.
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I went into this movie with very low expectations thanks to THIS site. I left the movie with a sigh of relief as it was nowhere near the shit fest you all made it out to be. WATCH FOR SPOILERS
The fact is, I had fun watching this. No it was not perfect by any means, and there were a few jarring things for sure, things that Singer would have never done and things that shouldn't have been done...
But I commend Brett Ratner for delivering some really ass kicking visuals. In the time he had to film this, with the studio fucking with whatever they fucked with, he did a great job.
Ok, things I loved:
The house brawl...pretty damn ass kicking.
Magneto shined in this, and crushing the shit out of those cars was amazing to see...
Iceman...Not enough of him...
I liked Grammer AS beast,but not how he looked...he just looked uncomfortable and in a suit...but his performance allowed me to look past it...
The final battle,although at times was unreadable,ie extra mutants fighting the x-men was way too hacked...but the focused on scenes were great.
Kitty Pryde kicked ass..
Things that stunk:
Sentinal..lame
NOT ENOUGH CHARACTER DEVELOPEMENT
the movie lacked any focus on any of the main characters save Magneto...and really that is not what I am there to see, I want to see the characters move on and grow...not keep the same old same old....
Day turns to night at the blink of an eye and it threw me right out of the film...right there I was aware of the lack of care they had making this one...
I am a comic fan, and I loved the second film, first one I loved as well, but also saw the flaws...this one I kept wondering why I was enjoying it, when the sentiment by all was that it sucked...but I really did enjoy it. The effects for the most part were pretty damn cool.
I wish singer would have directed the third one, but I was pleasantly surprised by Ratners job.
I could nit-pick the movie to death, but aside from a few flaws, like the pointlessness of warren, the shadowcat iceman non relationship...
I really did enjoy it.
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is that we all paid to see this movie. If there's anything we've learned, FOX will do anything for a buck so we can all expect an X4. Maybe Singer can come back and fix it again.
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angel could have been used more, cyclops went out like a punk and i would have liked to see more sentinels, but apart from those minor niggles, i thoroughly enjoyed it, and i think brett ratner has caught an unfair rap over it.
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The new Superman Returns Trailer ROCKED!!!! Made it worth the 9 bucks right there!
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Marsters as Sinister? Interesting. Do you want him to be reciting his lines in his native Modesto speak, or do you want him to put on his Mockney accent? But I say unto you, if you like the cast of Smallville, you won't spend money to see Scrawnyman Returns. Just place Superman & Superman II on your NetFlix queue if you really have to see cinematic Supes for now.
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'Last Stand' was a decent entertaining movie and more along the lines of 'Terminator 3,' if anything. And to all the haters, what were you expecting from the guy who directed 'Rush Hour' and 'The Family Man?' Maybe if you guys would stop reading leaked copies of the script and stop analyzing the trailers, you wouldnt have been disappointed. This had some good moments (the climatic battle, the 'grow those back' line, ) with the bad (the angel kid flying, Magneto's henchmen being Sin City rejects) Alot the hate for this movie comes from the fact that it was short, certain mutants lost their powers, and Storm was a main character (We can all agree how bad Halle Berry is, but this time she seemed more comfortable then in the first two movies). I still cant believe that JJ Abrams and Ratner can make a decent summer movie, while Ron Howard and Wolfgang Peterson need some help. You're all wrong about X3, the terrible movie that Ian McKellan couldnt save was released last weekend.
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The thing I LOVE about Magneto is that you can not hate him... you allways kind of feel he is right in his own kind of way, he just want's to protect and provide for his fellow mutants. And that is what the Fucked up the most in this movie. Magneto is just a cold evil bastard. The way Magneto reacts when Mystique gets hit with the cure (while saving him!) is so WRONG! He just says "now you are one of them" (or something like that) and leaves... no anger or sadness, remember Magneto and Mystique being all flirty in X2, and now he doesn't give a shit.
Same thing at the end... when he just lets his "Mutant Pawns" get hit with the cure FOR NO REASON AT ALL!!! Magneto would never let that happen! Why not just dump the Golden gate on the island! and let pyro torch the shit out of the island! The end battle was POINTLESS! Beast was a JOKE, the only thing Iceman does is turn things blue, kitty was ok, Rogue???
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Stick around for the credits and you will get a treat for true X-men fans. I saw the movie yesterday and I give it a 7 out of 10 which is high for me and Lord of the rings would be a 10. So enjoy.
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Cyclops wont be in it.. he's not coming back... He died guys.. I know you all are "you didn't SEE him die".. I heard the same thing after Episode1 "You didn't really SEE Maul die, Luke fell down a chute as well and didn't die"... Well guys, he's dead.. his tombstone was right next to Jeans at the end.. He aint coming back.. Scotts Brother should be in the next one though.. Oh and just to cover my bases.. Xaviers tombstone was nowhere to be seen.. So it would be pointless to say that Scott's tombstone is a 'memorial'.. why a memorial for him and not the Professor.. So.. X will be back, Jean maybe, Scott no. Ok? Cheers big ears *BAMF*
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After the first movie, if you would have told me that X2 would close with a team of Nightcrawler, Rogue, Iceman, Prof X, Cyclops, Wolverine, and Storm, I would have laughed. But damn if that last scene in the Oval office with all of them didn't make you believe that this was the X-Men. The end of X3 gave us Colossus, Iceman, Beast, Storm, Shadowcat, and Wolverine as a team. I just didn't buy that this was the X-Men. Why? I didn't care about these characters. This is why character pacing is important. If it's not done right, all you have are a bunch of nerds in spandex that I don't care about and am embarrassed to like. That's what X3 was to me and why it failed.
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Dude, you and I know that (and probably 90 percent of people in here)... I was talking in the 3rd person to illustrate the type of arguement that echoes through here after a favourite character dies.. Can't wait for the Gwen Stacey backlash..
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Scene: 1
The first scene them fighting against a sentinal it said in the near future. How the hell could they run a simulation from the future if the sentinal have not been made yet. How did they get this future information for training. Who ever gave it to them should have gave them information about Jean Grey transformation.
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Juggernaught runs into the wall after Kitty and Leech split between him. Juggernaught knocks himself out. Ok are we to assume that leech took his power away becuase that is so false. NEWS FLASH!!!! JUGG HEAD IS NOT A MUTANT. HE IS IN FACT THE HALF BROTHER OF CHARLES XAVIER WHO FOUND A MYSTIC GEM WHICH GAVE HIM HIS POWER. -
I gave this film a 7 out of 10 because they killed off 2 characters. Yes I said 2. Stick around for the end credits to see who lives. Enjoy.
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i give it a moderate 8/10. i liked kelsey grammer as the beast and the funny line he gives when he's going apeshit on those army cure guys. i wish cyclops' death wouldv'e been handled a little more acturatly than it was. and professor x's demise was handled nicely but then the sadness was cut short when the audience chuckled at colossus walking around with a huge t.v under one arm. there were a few applause worthy moments as when wolverine kicks a bad guy in the balls at the lab battle. "we got the balls!" and when beast stabbed magneto with 4 needles of the cure with a sneak attack. that had an ultimate "tag! your'e it!/ capture the flag moment to it. but regarding the whole thing with wolverine gutting jean and then killing her then wailing nooo!!! over her lifeless body...wasn't that exactly what happened at the end of van helsing? maybe. maybe not. that whole climax to that movie was a gigantic in-joke to hugh jackman and wolverine in the first place. well, all in all. another fullfilling expierence overall with summer at the movies. next, i may take my mom to over the hedge and then 4th of july, it's SUPERMAN RETURNS WITH A BURGER KING PROMOTION, BITCH! then, cars or pirates 2 probably during camp. that's all.
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Watched some episodes of the old X-men cartoon from early-mid '90s today. They were way better than X1 and X2. I think the Singer films were alright but X-men could be better translated to screen using animation.Although it would have to be high-grade animation, not TV quality.
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And Harry set the bar real low....so I actually enjoyed it. Yup, there was plenty of unsolicited laughter in the theater, and a bunch of the dialogue sucked. But I drank a cocktail all the way through the movie and pretty much dug it; it was an okay way to kill a couple of hours. Still love looking at Mystique's titties. I can now go on with my life.
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Ok so, as of Noon today I've seen this movie twice. I felt it necessary to watch it again to cement my opinion on it. I have to say I completely disagree with Harry's review. Now granted, the film was far from perfect, but I have to say that I was thoroughly entertained. From what I had read about the production of this film and the early reviews I was expecting a complete trainwreck of a movie. I'm glad they were wrong on this one - 'cause they usually aren't. Now let me give you some background here on TheJake - when I was little I used to walk around collecting cans so I could return them for the deposit (in Michigan it's 10 cents) money so I could walk downtown to my favorite comic shop to buy X-men and Wolverine comics. I frickin' worshiped them - I used to pray to God for an X-men movie. I finger-banged my future wife during the first X-men movie almost 6 years ago. I named my first child Logan... I know my X-men people, trust me, and I wasn't offended by the liberties they took in this film. Again, for the record, don't get me wrong, this movie isn't brilliant and there are some pretty groan worthy lines, but over-all - and especially given the troubled production - this movie delivered for me. TheJake gives it a 3 1/2 out of 5.
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obviously the "DELL" logo on all the monitors and TVs is the most blatant. Did anyone else notice that Iceman's chair on the X-Jet was labeled PS3? Leech had an XBox 360 controller in his hands when Beast visited him. Oh yeah, they kept "advertising" the Cure constantly. Huh? You want to know what I thought about the film? It was not that great and I really wanted it to be. The first 20 min or so were great. I was slighty disappointed (Storm wasn't all that bad though). Cyclops was wasted (again), corny one-liners during moments they shouldn't be there, Jean Grey the most powerful class 5 mutant in the universe needs only to be stabbed once by Wolvie to die (he should've had to stab her repeatedly or she should've flown away and disappeared only to return next movie). What? My opinion doesn't matter? Yeah I know.
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I remember reading the panels on here when the first movie came out. We want Sentinels, we want Beast, we want Danger room.
Guys you got it.
All shows up in X3 and you are still complaining. No wonder Q.T. or Kevin Smith don't want to go near a comic book movie. No wonder Watchmen is having such a hard time getting off the ground.
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I thought the comics said she was Omega class as she could possibly end the fucking world. Greek letters sound much cooler than D&D style numbers.
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If you were a fan of the first two films, I don't know how you could fail to be a fan of the third. Your review seems frankly, to be disingenuous.
This film was faithful to the two previous ones and is a worthy continuation of the film franchise. It was faithful to the sensibility of the comic books in the same way the first films were.
There seems to be a dichotomy emerging between the 'comic book geeks' who hoped for a faithful retelling of the Dark Phoenix Saga and those who like superhero movies. I'm a comic book geek who read the Dark phoenix saga as each issue was published in the 70's and it was compelling in those days. But that story could not be told in the framework of the X-Men movies as they evolved through X1 and X2. Those movies attempted to place the characters in our world. X3 continues that approach. The comic book Phoenix had to be adapted (as the other characters were) and I felt it was a very successful adaptation.
The deaths and surprises that happen to various characters all heightened the tension and made the Phoenix, when she starts to kick ass, that much scarier, because you just don't know what is going to happen and you don't know who, if anyone, is safe.
I can't imagine any true comic book geek did not love the 'merry marvel mutant mayhem' that accompanied the attack on Alcatraz. You had mutants everywhere doing all sorts of things and you had the X-Men up to their neck in it. This was exactly the sensibility of a lot of the comic stories.
I disagree that Wolverine is a kinder, gentler Wolverine. I don't know what his death count was, but it had to be at least a dozen. And at the climax of the film there is a scene
[SPOILER] (which any real X-Men comic book geek would recognize) where Jean begs Wolverine to kill her. In the comics, Wolverine couldn't. [end SPOILER]
We see characters die in the comics all the time and they are routinely resurrected in some implausible fashion. This film allows for that possibility in every case.
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The first half was terrible. A trainwreck. Ratner showed that he doesn't give a shit about any of these characters. The second half was sorta fun but still a disservice to the series. I didn't LOVE the first two films, but they showed great respect for the material. "X-Men: The Last Stand" was far too hokey and campy. Cyclops' death was done in the least effective way possible. Angel was completely wasted, but at least they only had to pay Ben Foster for 2 days on set. Also the end where Magneto has his power back and after the credits where Professor X speaks again is bullshit. Why negate everything the movie did? Mildly entertaining and way better than F4, but still not that good.
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...and it was not as bad as this site makes it to be. Time and time again, movie after movie. I come to this site to read about how the general buzz is going about a movie, and when I finally watch that movie, it's totally the opposite. You guys should change the name of this site to "Cool it Ain't", because so far, mostly everything I come across is back asswards.
This movie wasn't great, but you guys make it seem like it was Cabin Fever 2: The Return of the Shitfest. I sat through Xmen3 and every now and then told myself, "Oh my God, they sure fucked that up" or, "What the fuck, that ain't how it's supposed to be". But then something happened to me after the movie. I came to realize, "Hey wait, it's 2006 and this ain't the comic books. And who gives a fuck what the guys over at Aintitcool think, that's their opinion. Sure some scenes were cheesier than Velveeta covered in parmesan, but I'm not going to be one of their sheep. If they don't like it, well, I'm not going to let their opinions convert me and what I think about the movies". -
so many long posts in this tb...scroll scroll scroll...bring on supes tb...scroll scroll scroll
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I agree with you completely. If you liked X1 and X2, and dislike X3.. then you are faking it. The only big difference is that there is less character development (you don't need it in the third movie of a series) and the pacing is a bit fast (typical third movie in the series). So, count these negative reviews as the usual wannabe critics pretending to hate something because the real critics found a way to shit on it.
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Wow. And bigger opening and single day than even Spidey 2. Yikes.
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Anyone?
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Pacing issues, charachters not acting like themselves, but i still enjoyed it. I just felt like it could have been a lot better
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The opening day box office confirms that.
Most movie contracts compel the talent to participate in 2 sequels, so everyone's contractual obligations are probably done and their salary demands will be that much greater to come back for No. 4. But the X-Men franchise is elastic enough that you can always bring in new characters (ie the Beast). And a $44 mm opening makes it easier to meet Hugh Jackman's demands (like he has anything else to do after Van Helsing). There may be some recasting and will surely be more new mutants, but I expect we'll all be back in May 2009 for X4. -
It won't be Hulk bad, but I think the big push is only the result of the holiday weekend.----------this movie only got 52% Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes...---------One and Two got 80% and 87% respectively....That's pretty significant, and will steer many away from the theaters IMO
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Davinci got worse RT rating than Deuce Bigowhatever 2. It made lots of money. Only fuckshits care what critics think anyway.
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I have a feeling X3's opening weekend numbers will be isolated. Next week it'll drop off big time, I bet. I think it's gonna get pretty bad word of mouth. Out of the 13 people I saw it with, 3 really liked it, 3 thought it was decent and everyone else thought it was pretty subpar. And judging from the yells of, "THAT SUCKED!" when the movie ended, others were underwhelmed as well.
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Eat it Ratner haters!!!
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Calling people Ratner haters makes you obviously a Ratner lover or Ratner himself. That is the SADDEST thing ever. So you're favorite movies are Rush Hour 1&2 and After the Sunset? Seriously dude find a hobby. This movie will open big but end at 180 million. How many people are actually going to see this more than once? Well assholes who want ass bang Ratner I guess but that's it. The movie was short but still the first hour is very dull until the big fight. I agree with the Hulk statement open big legs will be small simply because there was not enough action all the way through for some people.
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I'd like to thank all of you who paid to see this for rewarding lazy and talentless filmmakers, and for ensuring that more trash like this will be produced in the future.
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Historically, Saturdays always outgross the Friday counts. You'll see.
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the only reason I mentioned it, is because not everyone is a fan of the x-men per se---------the people on the "fence" do actually read reviews to see if movies are worth watching. Fans of x-men would watch anyways (just like T3)-----------with the DaVinci Code, you are dealing with a movie that had millions upon millions of readers to begin with (ie an 'installed base'), so it isn't surprising it is doing well. Let's see what happens in a week.
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i hope i get to write it...
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3/10 at best and I'm being nice. Come on guys just think about it thsi movie was awful. Elektra had more good character points than this my god.
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Then again, the previous two films were good, decent movies, each worth a matinee. Ratner did an excellent job mimicking Singer's style, as I presume he was expected to do. Better that than to head off in his own different direction, which wouldn't have made any of you people any happier if he did. All this said, X3 continues the manipulative bastardization of each and every character that started with the very first flick in the trilogy. It's another installment of Stab-Man and his Mostly Mundane Friends. Yet for some reason Singer is lauded and Ratner is reviled. I just don't understand some of you people.
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I haven't been able to stop thinking about it.
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Sorry to pick on you, crypt, but you just offered a fine example. Yes, they are half-brothers and Ratner's X3 does nothing to address this point. Just like Singer's X2 does nothing to address how Nightcrawler is Mystique's son. Once again, the fanbase says Singer GOOOD, Ratner BAAD!
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With 44 million on Friday, this flick is on its way to making over 110 mil in 3 days. throw in memorial day and this fucking thing is the biggest launch ever. Can you say FAST TRACK "Wolverine?!" (for the record i'm not even interested in seeing this flick)
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in the end, y'all proved that despite your hatin, pissin and moanin, you were going to see this movie anyway. you just helped the man become an even bigger name in the industry. he's going to buy another mansion and fuck a supermodel in it, thanks to u.
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... is if they HAD put in Juggernaut is Xavier's half-brother, tried to explain his mystic-gem origin or did that whole cliched "remove his helmet so a telepath can defeat him" thing. What else... oh yeah, developed every single new character... they were just cameos, and I don't think the movie suffered because of it at all. It WOULD HAVE if they spent the time introducing each one properly. Let's see... well, if they tried to make Phoenix a "cosmic force" instead of the more reality based (HAAAAAhahahaha! comic-book movie reality based? HA!) suppressing her powers for the safety of everyone explanation. Worked perfectly in the X-men Movie Universe. No, for me the only flaws were the too-quick transition from sunset to night at the island (minor) and Angel not bouncing off the window in the begining of the movie. That would've been funny. Boooomph! Hahhahahahaaahahaha.
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It was down to 10 on Friday - a 65% decline from last week. I just really hated that movie. Just bad. X3 was OK. I sure enjoyed it more than DA VINCI and POSEIDON.
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that gives Juggy his powers, so why bog a movie down with telenovela-style relations between characters? it's only an hour and a half, people. as for the Ratner hate: he has no style or substance. but do NOT forget that he is only a hired gun in this particular circumstance. everything was in place before he came on board. the hate is misplaced.
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Or in my rating system 6/10.
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I'm not all geek freaked by the inconsistencies with the comic. This is an artist's interpretation of the source material. Don't tell me you want literal interpretation. You think Wolverine's striped costume would play well on screen? Riiiiggghhht. Cyclops with the univisor from Star Trek? Pass. Granted, those are cosmetic examples, but I think it works with storyline as well. I mean, seriously, you'd need a hell of a lot more screen time just get their origins right. Overall, I liked what's been done so far with these movies. Charles and Cyclops getting killed? Not in total agreement with it but it doesn't make me hate the movie. Rogue choosing the cure? Sucked. When she first arrived at the school, yes, but three (or more) years into the program that teaches these kids that their powers are gifts to use responsibly? Nope. Her whole reason for leaving that she gives Logan is Rogue Movie One. She obviously has not been studying... That is my small gripe. Very small. Microscopic.
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Sure that will make some cash, but from what I've heard, from what I've seen, people aren't anticipating this one like the other PIXAR flicks. X-men will do fine next weekend.
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I saw it last night.... I was entertained... ( isn't that what films are suppose to do )Honestly I didn't expect X3 to be a literal translation from the comic book like Sin City. But X1 and X2 weren't literal translations either. Hate me if you will, but I actually liked the quick pacing of the movie and that there was CGI in just about every scene. I certainly left the theatre feeling like a got a Summer blockbuster's worth of stimulation. The Beast was cool. I also liked Mulitple Man's cameo. I liked that charcaters died or got cured throughtout the film. Aren't these chracters suppose to be in their Final War? I would have a hard time believeing they were at war if they didn't break a few eggs on the way. And really the film opens with a resurrection, you think if X4 ever gets made there won't be more resurrections?
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Please, anyone that says that, or reveals who dies like he's revealing a secret that none of us know, don't bother. If I had a dime for everytime that thats happened in this talkback, along with people blaming Ratner, I'D BE RICH!!! Honestly though, the only thing you can really blame on Brett, storywise, is the crap Sentinel. Twas his idea.
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It centemted my feelings on how depressingly boring X2 is. At last a Super Superhero movie that I will watch more than once. Good work Geezers, Nice one. Later you Fucking Legends! XXX
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Supposedly the Sentinels make there first appearance in this timeline in the X3 videogame. And if there is a sequel, is it so hard to fathom that Trask will somehow get the program from the Danger Room computer. Maybe, the Strykers intel on the mansion still exists.
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I've gone twice yesterday and twice today and every time not only the showing I wanted to see was sold out but the next three shows. Several theaters as well. Its going to make some serious bling.
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Totally new cast. You wouldn't need the Cyclops canon for that one. *sniff*
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Apparently, the X3 game which is supposed to be sandwiched between X2-X3 movies, explains the introduction of the sentinels and the reason for Nightcrawlers absence. Alan Cummings provided the voice of Kurt in the game. Later you Fucking Legends! XX
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There was usually too much stuff going on to where I never payed attention.
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4 posts up, my friend. 4 posts up.
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I saw it yesterday at a 5:15 showing because I didn
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The sad fact is that none of the three X-flicks have been great pieces of cinematic history. But I'm stumped that anyone can hate on this film while holding up either of the 1st two as examples of how X-3 is a bad movie. In my opinion, all three films have suffered from a serious lack of budgeting which has crimped the special effects. These are movies that actually appear to have been done on the cheap. Spend a few extra $$$ for a walking/talking Sentinel (even if for just seconds of screen time) and the danger room scene would be awesome. But the studio cut corners and it shows. Juggernaut... terrible... but b/c of the actor and the bad make-up. CGI that character and make him HUGE or, as someone else said, find a suitably well-muscled actor to play the part. Dub in his voice if you have to. Just get someone or create something that looks REAL. My only other complaint is the rabble of muties that descend on Alcatraz to be wiped out by Wolverine and Beast. Don't any of them have powers to use instead of just going down like bowling pins? How about Pyro frying Wolverine and we see some major health-factor have to kick in? How about ANY of the army of mutants doing more than appearing to try and fight hand-to-hand? Again, none of the X-movies are classics. None are particularly all that well done. Harry hates this one b/c he and the director had a love-spat. Too bad... b/c it makes his review appear petty and trite when he liked the previous ones. All comic book movies have problems. In Spidey-2, the villain disappears for HALF the movie and none of the characters on screen (including our hero) even seem to notice. After almost killing Aunt Mae - Doc Ock goes away and Spidey doesn't care? He doesn't try and hunt him down? Yet many folks on this board get a woody just talking about it as if it's some great flick. Sure.. it has moments... just like X-3. But it has serious problems too... just like X-3 and X-1 and X-2.
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That is some funny shit there. After all the bashing this site has done of X3. The quote used in the ad was "the movie gods answered my prayers". This was in the Seattle PI. I saw the movie last night and thought it was very good. Much better that Harry and his uber geek minions make it out to be.
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What IF Cyclops was not present to save Jean from Phoenix with love? How would the X-men stop Phoenix with out the power of love? What IF Cyclops was busy with another movie and the makers simply wrote him out of the story? What IF an X-Men film was rushed into production? What IF a studio president made a film to spite someone? What IF a franchise was sacrificed for rivalry and competition? THIS is what we get. X3 is the film a parallel universe!
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You Fucking Legend
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Your movies looked like they were shot in South Africa. Where is it really then? New Zealand? Australia?
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Doing the Super Sonic Magic Clap technique in the battle?
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x3 isn't bad at all, it just falls short of what fanboys will geek out over in a comic book movie. Does a comic movie have to follow the comic cannon? no. As with any adaptation, it should just capture the spirit of the source material. The spirit exists in x3, but it does feel like they shot a movie on a script that wasn't there yet. The thing I appreciate about x1 and x2 is that all the characters generally have a good reason for being there to advance the story. In X3, it feels like all the elements were there to make a great movie, but someone just didn't have the time to connect the dots. Of course, the fanboy in me, hates how cyclops has always been shortchanged in these movies. He should be the heart of the x-men, not wolvie. I never thought they gave enough time to Jean and Scott, so i never truly cared if those characters on screen lived or died. I didn't like xavier in x3 either. He's wrong for what he did to Jean. In X2 he's withholding information from Wolverine, but I believe that he was doing it to help logan come to some honest self-realizations. In X3, he just seems over-controlling. I also hate that wolverine, storm and beast decide to use the cure against magneto. They're ethics were thrown out the window. They should've found another way. They should've used Leech, or Rogue to take out Magneto & Dark Phoenix. x3 exemplifies the studios desire to rush film making b/c they know they're going to make money anyway. They don't have to please everyone. They just need to make money, and x3 will make money. $44 million in one day! .... On monday, they'll be begging for another one if it clears $135 million on the labor day weekend. Money is king and it always ruins franchises like this one eventually.
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Harry you probably never seen my posts pretty much shitting all over your opinions of this film or the silence you had for awhile. I stand a changed man, im sorry for EVER doubting you on this film, I wanted to love this film and actually avoided all reviews ANYWHERE. Watchaed it last night and pretty much cried myself to sleep, this movie was hugely disappointing and i wish Fox (Tom/Tim Rothman) had waited for Singer to do the rumored x-3/x-4 back to back movies. Everything in your review was dead on and exactly how i felt...i'll go as far to even say that the only thing that made me happy as fuck and die alittle inside was seeing magneto move the chess piece because i kept telling myself "This is it...this is the end of my dream of a fucking great superhero movie"...I sincerely hope Marvel takes their X-men franchise from Fox and remakes the entire trilogy with ONLY Singer attached, his Cerebral way of going about the first two x-men movies was perfect and sorely missed in this one.....Goodbye my X-men
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doesn't surprise me that DaVinci is starting to fade...the people who really wanted to see it have done so -------now it is up to "word of mouth" and movie reviews to provide it with "legs".---------movies get to crazy numbers through a strong fanbase who are willing to pay for a movie more than once AND the casual moviegoer who will watch based on good reviews.-------Having a huge opening helps X3 for sure, BUT from what I've read, it isn't a good enough film to truely sustain that momentum for any serious length of time.--------Just like T3, you'll see this really hit the wall once better films come out.
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I can't express how pissed off I was with killing Cyclops and then doing the shittiest possible version of the Phoenix story without him. It's not just that they ruined Cyclops, people, they've ruined Wolverine as well! I say it because he's the overrated shit that everyone loves, so you'd think people would give a crap that he's been neutered and turned into Cyclops with sideburns and a pittance of shallow "angst." Jean comes on to him and he says it's not her and where's Scott? WTF?!! He'd have NAILED her! Scott who? What fucking sucks is that Wolverine and Cyclops are on television right now. They're called Jack and Sawyer and they're on LOST. Yes, Mathew Fox and Josh Halloway should be playing Cyclops and Wolverine. Since the producers were hell bent on saying fuck you to James Marsden for going over to Superman, they should have recast him with Matthew Fox, who I think would have made a great Cyclops. I share Harry's anger about this movie. The only redeeming thing is that by not showing Cyclops's actual death and by adding the teasers at the end...they can possibly fix everything they fucked up (because the Phoenix can always come back to do it right). But then Wolverine is still a whitewashed boring version of himself and the idiots who did this are still in play, so why count on anything getting fixed? This was just a sad sad disappointment and what's saddest is that so many don't care.
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So, a reborn charles appears at the end eh?
The kids I took had to go to the bathroom, and I didn't realize I was supposed to stay. Usually I do and usually I'm the last one out of the theatre.
I found it entertaining.
I never read the dark phoenix sage, but I knew of it.
I liked the cartoon series, and thought x-men evolution was just getting good.
X3 is better than X1, but doesn't continue on the promise of X2.
I found it entertaining, and much better than I had thought going in.
I'll buy the DVD because unlike Daredevil or Elektra this didn't spit on "comic book" movies.
But, it didn't advance them either in the way that Spiderman 2, X2, and even Batman Begins did.
I'd put this in the Top 10 of comic book movies, and that's not too bad considering.
I'm a huge fan of comic book characters, but I never got into X-Men as I was a DC guy (just was more familiar with them.)
I also have a degree in film, and this wasn't total shit like daredevil, elektra and the blasphemy that was COnstantine.
I'm hopeful they can improve upon FF2 the way X2 improved over X1.
I'll go see any comic book adaptation, unless it's a total abortion like Constantine and Elektra which I've only see in spurts as I can't watch them.
I was a big Hulk guy and that movie pissed me off, butat least some of the film technique was good, still, I don't own that DVD either.
I would say go see a matinee, find some kids to take with you, and leave your "sacred text" ideas at home.
Would a truer adaptation of Dark Phoenix been better? Sure. I know enough about it to believe that it would have been. But I don't think this was so shitty that it deserves to be compared to the shit of Dardevil, elektra, constantine, or even Matrix 2 & 3.
Could it have and should it have been better...sure. Is it pissing on comic book fans and comic book movie fans...nope.
So, how would I rank comic book films so far...
Spiderman 2
X-Men 2
Spiderman
Superman 2
Batman Begins
From Hell
Superman
V For Vendetta
X-Men 3
Blade 2
X-Men
Batman
Hellboy
Batman Returns
The Punisher (2004)
Blade
Hulk
Fantastic Four
The Crow
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
Batman Forever
Blade 3
Daredevil
Batman & Robin
Superman 3
Elektra
Superman 4
Constantine
Steel
Catwoman
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I don't think the opening for X3 is that big a deal.
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It'll be like DAVINCI CODE: once initial curiosity passes during the opening weekend, X3 will have to succeed based on multiple viewings and on viewers recommending it to family and friends. With the middling reviews coming in, I don't think that'll happen. Watch for X3 to have one great Memorial Day weekend, then drop like an anvil.
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As a script doctor, the first thing to do when you get a script like this is to find out what the main thru-line is ... which is "the cure" . I'd then eliminate every subplot, that doesn't feed the thru-line. ie the bobby, kitty, rogue triangle. Or, I'd at least find a good way to tie it in ... off the top of my head, I'd try to link the young love triangle to learn from the scott, wolverine, jean triangle. I'd cut the morlocks, or at least further the chess metaphor established in the first x movie. In fact, the whole chess thing in the end was great, with the queen being the most powerful piece that you have to use sparingly. I think the Incredibles has spoiled me. THAT movie really encapsulates a team using their powers to work together to defeat a villain. If you took away one of them, the resolution wouldn't have worked. In X-men 3, you could've eliminated the character of Angel ... you could've gotten rid of colossus. Take the time away from those characters and give them to the central characters. The emotional thru-line will be so much better served, and you'll actually have a stronger impact on the audience. Why put so much thought into a summer popcorn movie? b/c it'll give longer life to the franchise, and you don't have to wait for a "reboot" to fix your mistakes. and you'll make more money. These comic movies require true directorial vision to prevent them from becoming corny.
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...is not dependant on others sharing it. It could've made $8.00 all weekend and I'd still sing its praises. This is MY movie, they made it for ME, not you. And they made me very, very happy.
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Am i the only one here who was glad to have Cyclops bite it in this movie? He was a pain in the ass since X-1.
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Pyro had some sort of lighter mechanism attached to his wrist- kind've like a webshooter. There was a brief shot that showed him clicking it during his final standoff with Bobby.
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That would be way more appropiate
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I need one solid answer as why they have mor eof the film, especially important plot points like Xavier pulling a Data, after the credits.
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for the preceding movies. They started the decline by the way the were written, directed, produced, and studio made. Pass the blame around. Look what they had to use from the previous flicks. Hand me downs. Pathetic.
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Wow. One of the best talkbacks I've ever read. Bravo.
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Ok, I got 2 things to say. First, you can be a diehard comic purist and still be a realist when it comes to enjoying a movie adaptation. I'm as diehard as they get, and I don't care if the facts are changed... as long as they capture the soul, the essence of the story and the characters. I can even forgive them if they get "close enough". The fact is that they did not get anywhere near close enough, so much so that it appears that they didn't try, or care.
Secondly I agree with you about the problem with Wolvie "curing" Jean at the end, and that he had to put the claws in her heart. It fits perfectly into his character. I'm sure you remember when he knifed Rachel Phoenix through the heart for doing much less than Jean was doing at the moment (attempting to kill the White Queen), but we also remember that that did not kill Rachel, as she held her heart together telekinetically. If I think too hard about it, I'll start wondering how the much more powerful Jean would have been killed in the same way, but then I'll just get angrier about the film, so I'll digress.... -
"This is MY movie, they made it for ME, not you. And they made me very, very happy." Then you are very, very easily amused.
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You see the hospital bed, and in walks a orderly, one with a nasty jar of vaseline in his back pocket.....
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We never saw him die. Everybody just assumes he's dead. There's no body. There's just Wolverine and "I think she killed Scott." This is a comic book movie. He's out there somewhere, introducing the Emma Frost's knees to her ears.
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... that is all. Plus I can enjoy a movie that you can't. Who wins in the end?
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I'll right this while it's still fresh in my mind. My sister seen it too. She's not a fan of the series or comics either. She thought it was good. That's seems to be the two camps about this movie. Those who know the comics and are let down by this story. And those who don't know the comics who thought it was good. Even some who liked the comics thought it was all right but not great. They figure this is all we are going to get. It reminds of a joke that Dave Chappelle said about the Hulk. He said that he was his favorite hero because was green and he knew that was as close as to black character as they were going to get. It's sad that this is as good as it's going to get. Quite simply we deserve better.
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... but the movie I saw today was excellent. In terms of continuing the film story that started from the last two movies, it delivered and then some. There were a lot of things this movie needed to incorporate to sum up the last two films, and I think it did so, but maintained a good story throughout.
Was it perfect? No, there were a couple of things that I didn't like, for example the lack of screen time and lack of contribution to the story for Xavier (a problem in the last two movies as well). Cyclops was under-utilized too, but definitely Xavier. This was a story that character should have been front and center for, from start to finish. There should have been a final showdown between Xavier and Magneto, and more Xavier in terms of the struggle with Phoenix. If you gotta ace him, fine but it should have happened at the end where it would have had more meaning. It's a waste of talent because Stewart is such a great actor; more of him and his presence would have strengthened the film. But we had to have more screen time for the "bigger star", the useless git Halle Berry. I would have kicked her ass to the curb (well, I would have tapped that ass first) and brought in someone else to play that part, who actually gives a shit.
But I digress. I think Ratner did a fine job. With all the problems leading up to, and the lack of prep time involved, this could have easily been a train wreck. However, the Rat delivered a big, epic, exciting movie that had a good story, along with smaller, more intimate character moments and it drew me in. Singer was good with the smaller stuff, but I don't know if he would have been able to deliver the big-time action this installment had. Ratner took it to the next level. He impressed me, I'll say that. Well done, Rat. -
"Plus I can enjoy a movie that you can't. Who wins in the end?" The movie executives who jangled the car keys in front of your face and made you smile, at your expense. I swear, it seems all you need is some random moving images and sounds to entertain people sometimes. I need more. Continuity be damned, just give me a good adaptation. LOTR did it. This did not.
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I don't understand how their can be so much admiration for x1 yet so much bile for x3? Now I liked both.
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100 million dollars and this is what we get! Come on it makes me think of the saying about 100 monkeys in a room with 100 typewriters for a year they could hammer out "War and Peace." Well they gave the monkeys a week to get this script ready. When the source material is out there for the world to see for over 30 years now and this is the best they could come up with Hell yes we deserve better. I was really looking forward to this since the last one.
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Harry wrote his review before he saw the film. Everyone on this site knows that is the truth. There is absolutely nothing about this film that spells the end for the X-men, and infact they set up quite a bit for the future. At most it is the end of the Magneto trilogy...unless he comes back, which they certainly left the door open on that one. Remember Cyclops left X-men for a long time(X-Force?), so they can go on without him. The Professor spent quite a bit of time off the planet. From a commercial appeal, Wolverine might be needed to anchor another film, but there is no character that is a must. There are probably already two full teams worth of characters in the movie universe, and most of those characters are probably more interesting than Scott Summers, or Storm, or Professor X, and especially Rogue. There are plenty more characters of interest that haven't even made it to the movies yet. There is nothing permanent about the cure, since it is just and inhibitor and the government doesn't appear to control the source anymore. Not that any of the "cured" are needed. Rogue was always horrible in the films, and the X-men actually have more villians than just Magneto(which worked out well when he led the X-men). It would be nice if they could use Sabretooth, but some hack director ruined him. I'll just blame Ratner for that. I was dissapointed they didn't write Storm out of it, and perhaps have Hank come back to help at the school, not that that couldn't be fixed in a 4th film with a couple words of dialog. With the exception of that Onslaught thing that one time, nobody stays dead in the X-men, so quit your crying geeks. The entire team has died before and then come back. This film felt more X-men to me than the first two combined. I would be happy if Ratner works on a 4th X-men, and I would be particularly happy if that film gets made rather than a Wolverine solo film.
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... I've thought long and hard about the perfect rebuttal for you. It's in 3 parts. 1) I 2) liked 3) the movie. And a follow-up... I'll see it again. And buy the DVD. And watch it on HBO. But someday I hope to show my smartness stuff off by shitting all over someone else's joy. I've heard it makes one feel good about themselves.
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I give it 7.5/10.
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...because my siblings hadn't and I wanted to come along. Still good, if not, maybe even better than the first time last night. Did anyone else notice George Lucas? I swear it was him in the background in that scene where the protesters with their signs saying "No to the cure!".
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Not a big fan of the X-men. I think the whole mutant thing is goofy. Didn't care much for the first two films. Yet i found myself liking the last stand. Go figure.
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the movie obviously have flaws but many are acting like this is a Uwe Boll film. This film was decent, a fan could have fun with it. Sure singer would have taken a different approach and maybe taken things slowly (and definately not kill cyclops) but it is what it is .I don't think the trailers lied to anybody as to what kind of film or what direction it was going. You knew going in that this film was action oriented and charactirization was gonna take a back seat on this one to fit all the characters.
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You people are full of shit. It was way better than X1 AND YOU KNOW IT!!! Lest see... The Kitty fight scenes? AWESOME! The Wolverine vs Juggernaught fight? AWESOME! Jean Grey as a cild? AWESOME! The Multiple Man scenes? AWESOME! The Storm/Callisto fights? AWESOME! The guard talking shit to Mystique? AWESOME!Every scene with Magneto? AWESOME! Beast acting like Beast? AWESOME! The Mystique prison break? AWESOME! Iceman icing up for the first time? AWESOME! Storm flying? AWESOME! Wolverine vs the Brotherhood? AWESOME! Magneto moving the chess piece? AWESOME! I get the feeling if Singer's name was attached to the same exact movie all the haters would be saying how much fun the movie was. Oh and the mutant cure plot was way better than the boring plots of X1 and X2. Ratner made a movie that is more compelling and entertaining than BOTH of Singer's attempts. Not bad for "a rush job from a hack".
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He is is his stepbrother, fucknuts. You nerds and geeks are not even good at being nerds and geeks. $44MM! Suck on it, Harry. Anybody that thought Flintstones II: Viva Rock Vegas was a great movie, should never be allowed to set foot in a movie theater with the purpose of evaluating a film, ever again. "Steve Baldwin IS Barney Rubble!" What a fat clown. Time to choke on that $44MM opening via Mama Cass on a ham sandwich, Harry. This goes to show that no studio would ever go to the trouble of planting anything via this irrelevant site. You didn't like it? Nobody cares, dude.
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I saw the first two, saw them again on DVD, and they were about 8/10. I read Harry's review last week, and I read all of this Talkback this morning before going in and paying my 7.50, in a good theater, with good sound, good seats, and 5.50 for a medium popcorn (No drink!). I was prepared to walkout at any moment during the film, smoke a cig or two(No Bud!), come back at my leisure, and resume the film--like I do at several of these type of actioneers. Yet, with little expectations going in, thanks to Harry's review and this Talkback, I never made out for a smoke, and thoroughly enjoyed myself right through the end of the film, then through the credits, and had a nice pleasant reaction with the final-final-final scene in the hospital ward. So on the smoke meter, that is how many cigs I need to take a break from during a movie, this was a ZERO/210mins, which translates to a very enjoyable popcorn (fuckin' 5.50 for a med!!!) movie. I should also like to thank Harry and all of the other Talkbackers who raked this film, Fox's head dude, Rattner, et. all--you have all probably helped a great deal in lowering my expectations to the point where I thoroughly loved this film, at least On a par with the first two. I would give it another 8/10 on a normal scale--my complaints, the dialog was corny at times, and why didn't they kill Halle Barry off, her charcter, and her acting, was truly the worst part of this film, and it was ALMOST the only times I winced during the movie. Best Thoughts Harry on your producing gig, my man!
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I really, really did like this movie. One aspect of the movie that people have been criticising it for is the lack of characterisation and such - but is that really necessary in the third movie in a series? And although a lot of characters have been mucked around with (e.g, Juggernaut isn't actually a mutant in the comic books), this was also an issue in the previous two films and I don't see any need for people to start brining attention to it now. The acting in the film was good and Brett Ratner was an above adequate director. The action was also fantastic and the first thing I said to my friends coming out of the cinema was "spectacular." They were pretty impressed too. In fact, most of my complaints aren't about the movie but the cinema in which I saw it. During the credits everybody bar my friends and I ('cos I told them that there was an extra scene) vacated the theatre and the staff began to poor in to clean up. They asked us to leave but we convinced them to let us stay after arguing that there was another scene left and what happens when it comes on? the projector operater decides to cut the reel. ***Spoiler*** I noticed that the scene featured Juggernaut on a hospital bed but what the hell else happened?
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...Well thanks to the huge reserve of pinheads in the US, who'll seemingly plop down 8 bucks to watch just about anything during the summer months, up to and including a flashlight beam moving rapidly back and forth... and claim it's "Even better than Flashlight Beam Moving Rapidly Back And Forth 1"... maybe Rothman'll hire out the "Ed Wood of the 21st century" to helm the sequel. He's gotta be cheaper than Ratner, they can lower the budget even further and crank it out by next year, and you lot'll slavishly line up for it no matter how bad it is, anyway. I suggest Milla Jovovich in white wig and spray-on bronzer to take over the role of Storm!
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I enjoyed myself. Here's to X-Men 4!!
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I'm choosing to believe he lives - if Xavier can, then Scott can too. Plus, the rule in comics is - if you don't see a body, they're not dead!! Jean will resurrect, Scott will come back - x4 will finish their storyline (I hope.)
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It's tough to place blame on one person for dropping the ball on the Phoenix Saga. It's just too bad things worked out the way they did. This was such an exceptionally well-done franchise too. Thank god for Sam Raimi.
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thought it was pretty good; was expecting something on par with the shittiness that was fantastic four. felt it was better than 1, not as good as 2. *spoiler*loved the fight between storm/wolverine versus juggernaut/"fast chick"*end spoiler* overall, i give it a 7.5/8 out of 10.
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Dude, it doesn't surprise me that some people out there ate the turd that was this movie and smiled. People, for the most part, are just like that nowadays: they expect very little out of their entertainment. I, and a few others on this site, are different: we demand more than mediocrity. You can throw a fit and say I'm hating all you want, but that's not what this is about. I'm not angry about the movie, it was alright, but it could have been so much more. You may not be concerned with what it could have been, but some of us are. You may be content with what it turned out to be, but some of us aren't. I feel no shame in being quick to point out the faults of what was a clearly rushed and botched project.
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saw it again using my unripped ticket stub from yesterday (sometimes the theatre guy is lazy) and the second time around it was better, since I knew to just enjoy the action. good action, especially from golden gate to jean not making it. Magneto bothered me more cause 90% of the time his character works and is somewhat complex, while the other 10% it seems like the writers just gave up. I give it a C+. First one a B, 2nd one a B+. None of em sucked outright, and none were instant classics. Overall, I'm happy with the X-Men flicks.
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But then I knew I'd like it as soon as Harry said it was crap. He is after all the person who "loved" Jar Jar Binks.
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still surprised at that absolute LOVE for it though, I mean, it's mediocrity at best. but it made 44 mil in one day... could it possibly beat Spider-Man? for the 4 days definitely, but just for these three... who knows. hmmm
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"watch just about anything during the summer months, up to and including a flashlight beam moving rapidly back and forth... and claim it's "Even better than Flashlight Beam Moving Rapidly Back And Forth 1"" Yup.
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You have no Standards! You eat up shit/mediocrity! Do you guys realize how big of a douchebag you seem like when you say shit like this? I didn't hate the movie, you did, that's okay, more power to you. But hating a movie doesn't make you a goddamn member of the intellectual elite. On the contrary.
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1. He was given 16 months, from no script to release, to make a major motion picture. It usually takes five years. Not his choice.
2. The choice to make the movie 100 minutes was not the director's, but the producer/studio's. He did the best he could.
3. Budget. I think the studio got used to cheap movies made in 3/4 the usual time in this franchise. Sort of the old problem in freeway rebuilding: if you do it cheap the first time, they cut the budget and give you crap the second time, even if you really need the resources. -
.......a $44Mill opening day take as some sort of a bad thing. Bottomline, is that Ratner made a movie, which, while not necessarily appealing to the uber-geeks and hypocrites ( such as of this site) to their exact expectations, did enough not to alienate the non-comicbook fans of the previous two movies (who are the ones that actually make the studios money) to want to take other non-comicbook fans this time around to watch it. And all that crap about it not having legs, Cars is going ot make a pretty penny next week, but not enough to harm the repeat viewings that X3 will get or dissuade the people who skipped this weekend because of all the packed theatres. The short running time, definitely seems to have been an ace in Fox's hand, despite the fact that even Iwould have liked a longer movie. But I will gladly sacrifice that if it means an X4 with more expanded stroy lines of new characters introduced in this movie and the return of old favs ( Nightcrawler, Toad...). It's certainly set a very high bar for Superman Returns to beat, and I doubt it will do it. So Harry, when is your next botched-up call on a movie? So far you're running a clean record with Godzilla, Flinstones 2, Armageddon, Van Helsing, Domino, King Kong et al...
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Mama Cass died peacefully in her sleep the night she opened her solo act in the London Palladium. Vicious assholes who thought they were "funny" made up the sandwich story. Like the "Al Gore Said He Invented the Internet" lie (started by an author on wired.com, and for which his editors have just apologized), this nasty little smear is unkillable.
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As I said earlier, the reel was cut just as this scene came on ***Spoiler?*** It was Juggs lying on the hospital bed wasn't it?!? I couldn't quite tell but he did SEEM to look muscular.
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For all those who hated this movie, citing both shittiness and suckiness, I have tonight's assignment: Write a better script, and post a link to it tomorrow. You have about the same amount of time to write your treatment as did the writers of X-Men 3. Maybe yours will not suck; I really look forward to your work.
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I was thinking how cool Rouge will be from next they, when she can walk through walls and freeze her beer.
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I just finished watching X3. As i went to the theatre i was dreading that this might be the end of a great franchise. Over the last month i've been coming here pratically everyday and reading everything i could about the X3 movie. I dont usually make posts cause i live in Portugal and by the time a film hits here u guys have it already in dvd. This wasnt the case for X3 since it was a worldwide premiere. I missed the first few days and actually saw a great film with a great actor... Sir Anthony Hopkins in The Worlds Fastest Indian. Simply loved it. Back to X3. Over the past few months i've seen u guys rambling about how Rats a lousy director, how Fox has disrespected the X-Men franchise and is after the quick buck and that there was no Dark Phoenix Saga. So, of course today as i was going to watch it i was preparing myself for the worst. Suprisingly enough that never came. Yes, the film is inferior to X1 and X2; yes some characters are unnecessary or poorly appreciated; and yes there is no Dark Phoenix. But it stands on its own quite well. Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen are great as usual. Jimmmy Marsden does his best with little screen-time he has and Famke does give us a little of Jean's dark side (although it was still very far from what Phoenix really was). Actually my biggest problem with the film was the fact that once again the guy who has to save the day is Wolverine... i actually wished for Magneto to ripp the adammantium of his skeleton like he did in that classic comic Fatal Attractions. Im positively sure that Cyclops isnt dead although i still dont understand why he's the least appreciated of the main characters (wake up Fox executives...he's only second to Xavier) and the Brotherhood was just boring. The Morlocks looked like the scrabs of Hell's Angels, they were just cannon-fodder. I liked the Beast and wasnt displeased with the wirework, actually find it quite good. Didnt give a (no pun intended) Rats ass about Iceman, Shadow Cat and Rogue trio and of course didnt expect a lot from Halle Berry (she's just getting worse and worse as an actress). Jackman was Jackman as usually. Got a kick of hearing the 'Im the Juggernaut, bitch' line and Magneto saying that Mystique was such a beautiful woman (hey, Helmet head, now she's fuckable). About Rats directing i actually think it's his best movie to date. It actually has a pulse (even if it doesnt come close to Bryan Singer) and i believe he made a pretty good job given the conditions he had over at Fox. I think u guys are right to say that the Fox executives screwed us up and that since Bryan left to do Supes Return we were left wanting to see the Phoenix Saga and came up short. I still remember watching X2 on the theatre and seeing that Star Trek- The Wrath of Khan homage and going all crazy cause i knew what was coming up. Alas, it was not this movie and we'll probably wont hear about the Phoenix Saga for another 10 years, but eventually it will be made (like Batman Begins or even Supes Return) unless the powers that be find a way to make in the next film. Yes, i believe that there will be a next film, it might take a couple of years but if u wait they'll make it. Overall i enjoyed this film, maybe not as much as the others but it still entertains a X-comic book geek such as myself. I just found it ironic that a war is started for a cure that at the end was a fluke, temporary; and that three main characters died because of it... or did they? Awesome the 'Hello Moira' line. Well this is all i'll say for tonight cause im tired, pls be free to say whatever u think of this post and i'll respond asap. Later dudes and sorry for the mistypes.
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I had to check on imdb. And that spiky kid was supposed to be Kid Omega? not my favorite mutant, but at least they could have called him something else.
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jack, i don't think ratner did a terrible job, I rather blame the studio for pushing stuff out before its ready. Ratner had a working script in place when he was hired. He didn't start from scratch. A really good director would rework the script, but Ratner's kind of a "yes man" in this business. At least they took out all the crap with Wolverine and Storm having sex.
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or anybody else....do you think it was a real downside to the film by introducing all these new characters and trying to please fans...or would you rather have pretty much the same characters but more screen time...I personally feel as if beast was given enough time but colossus and angel got shortchanged...and if you are going to have them in the film they need more time...as opposed to random tatoo bad guys....Also harry if you see this, whats your take on Gambit and if he should be brought in or not(i have to ask because hands down he is my favorite charcter, plus he has such a complicated history, especially with his betrayal of the mutants and all)....o yea i just remembered this question...do you guys feel as if its truly conceivable to have those huge x men storylines in one film, because picking a bad guy and having him fight the X-Men somehwat works(like in spider-man) but to introduce a truly huge story, like future past would be hard in this medium,,,
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Bottom Line
If the movies were somehow reversed and X2 had the strengths and weaknesses of X3 and vice versa. I think people would've marveled at it, claiming it a better film then the first - Only to be dissapointed with the more cerebral toned down X2.
Not to say X3 was perfect - it missteps with one fatal flaw IMO
What works
That incredible sense of super heroism that was absent from the first two is here in spades. Seeing the X-Men land triumphantly in the last scene theme music blaring - eyes turning white and claws jetting out. Awesome. This is the X-Men I never saw in the first two films.
Halle Berry, though not the Storm of the comics, is alive as the character. She has dialogue - powers - and a point of view. Kelsey Grammer was born to play Beast. And Ellen Paige is just great. Hugh Jackman was great - but I can't shake the feeling he used his power as producer to make Wolvie into more of a leading man than he should've been.
The scenes that were able to withstand Brett Ratners ADD editing are quite marvelous. Particular the ones with Famke Jansen as Jean Grey. The moments between Jean and Logan are great and the scene with the professor is truly stunning amazing stuff. The stuff of dreams. Of course it leaves one wanting much more, and in this case that is a bad thing.
The Phoenix
This is what is missing. The film has two plot lines. They dont gel - they are completely at odds. Magneto using the cure as a bargaining point with Jean is not enough to tie them together. And what is most frustrating is that they both deserve their own movie. However pushing the cure plotline into the realm of sub would have only angered some Jos Whedon fans. The writers here chose to bestow that prefix on the phoenix plot.
To be fair, the phoenix storyline had shades of pure genius. It provided the most intense scenes and some stunningly beautiful moments. But having known the inspiration of this storyline I cant help but see it as a staggeringly missed opportunity. There were threads set up in the first film (Jean at liberty island in X1, and countless moments X2) that very clearly set up a particular trajectory for the Phoenix. These threads were practically ignored as X3 disregarded the previous set up for the Phoenix and invented what came down to a few lines of rushed exposition and hardly any set up.
I cant buy into Logans outrage at the professor because it was set up too quickly. I dont feel for Jeans struggle for herself or from herself because this really complicated and emotional issue of suppression vs. ultimate power was not being built up over the course of the film. The Phoenix story deserved more scenes and more time. And as if to through salt in the wounds of fans everywhere they didnt even use the Phoenix flame. The iconic symbol of the Phoenix (and also promised at the end of X2). The filmmakers are just asking for the ire of fans everywhere.
But in making a main character with virtually no arc is also going to gain the ire of critics, who in trying to figure out what they didn't like will blame any and everything trying to sound witty and making a big huff over why the movie "lacked heart" or "lacked intelligence" (two over used arguments I don't agree with). This is the problem. Jean wakes up from the dead - and immediately jumps to the end of her arc where she's evil. There's no Phoenix to allow for a dark phoenix. No building struggle. No slow discovery of the nature and origin of her darkside. Just an immediate shift to evil that is laughably explained and never paid off.
Even at the end of her life, I felt as though she never really did anything. CGI'd away a bunch of soldiers? Killed the professor without mourning him? Not enough. I LOVED where the writers were going - but feel like they never quite got there.
And because Phoenix is now dead (and the box office praising this version of the franchise) theres never going to be a re-telling of this storyline on film ever again. That is what I think makes fans and some critics so unsatisfied.
The future of the Franchise
I think Fox got lucky here. They rushed this movie to prove a point to Bryan Singer, and nothing about the process of this film seemed motivated by a desire for a better film. This shouldnt have worked. I am very worried that the studio will see the amount of money their marketing team generated for them and continue in this direction.
Ever since the first one the studio has been cutting into the time of pre-production, taking forever to sign the actors and writers and directors before choosing the release date only to force the production at breakneck speed. It is a counter-creative strategy one that will make this franchise go bust in the same way that Batman did. Batman Forever was a huge success only to make room for Batman and Robin.
Fox needs to give this franchise the treatment that other beloved movie series have gotten. It needs a writer/director to over see the next trilogy. Someone who loves these movies and these characters and gets the since of awe that I and other fans respond to when reading about them. It needs one creative visionary to oversee the totality of the next films, be they three or more, to ensure it gets everything right.
While I disagree with some choices, this is why Bryan Singer made such a great second film. He cares about every detail every minor plot point and character arc has to have a purpose and drive the film forward. There are no wasted moments, no opportunities missed, no plants without their payoffs in X2.
I hope that the producers look at the reviews. Take a moment from the blinding light of the box office and the publicity spin being dished out by the director. I dont think its fair that some reviewers gave this film a 5/10. As I said when its great its amazing, and when it missteps it practically hits the floor.
Please bring on a director that has sophistication and a knack for being thorough. And give him and the writers the time necessary to ensure that the next three films live up to their potential.
Another thing that I think the movie did well is expand the universe of these characters and truly open it up to future films. Learn from the mistakes here and take this franchise towards a brighter future.
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Lazy, lazy, lazy.
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it opens June 9th. The only release X3 will face is... The Break-Up. X3 will get alot of repeat business, even from the dunderheads that say they dislike it (y'know, the people who hated it before it even came out but saw it ANYWAY)
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For a guy who's supposed to be such a worthless hack, Ratner did a helluva job with X3. I mean it, I really enjoyed the film. They certainly left the door open for another one.
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The fact that Magneto could move the chess piece at the end told me that the supposed "cure" was just temporary, and in fact didn't work. I waited until after the credits for the bonus scene. That was clearly Xavier's voice, but who was that in the hospital bed? The fact that we never saw Scott, or that they never found a body, leaves the chance of his return. Perhaps he was scared shitless at the sight of PMS Jean, and Jesse Jones'd his ass out of dodge! The fact that the cure doesn't work means that Mystique will regain her powers (but my-oh-my, that scene of her in the flesh on the floor of that truck was soooo sweet!). However, once she does, it's not likely she'll return to Magneto's side.
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Anyway, a heck of a film, and I will certainly buy the collector's DVD.
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Considering the pressure Ratner & Co. were under (and since this film was basically intended by Fox to be Last Minute Singer/Superman Box Office Kryptonite), this was a good effort. As the putative last installment, the movie suffered the thankless task of tying up all the loose ends, but I thought it did an excellent job of that in addition to telling a worthy story. My only criticism is that the Wolverine-Jean connection here seemed forced -- but that wasn't Ratner's fault. Singer gave that plot thread pretty short shrift in the last two movies, so there wasn't a lot for the Bratner to work with here. I agree with Moriarty that X2 and X3 basically felt like two halves of one long movie. Whatever was lacking in the 2nd was present in the 3rd and vice versa.
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why are people so confused about the bed. it was clearly the guy in the video he showed in class... not that fucking hard to figure out. seriously, one guy thought it was collossus? no wonder so many people think this is GREAT, they are too dumb to pick up on even the most obvious things.
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Drop the whole "I didn't see a body" schtick! What makes yopu think he wasn't turned to ash like everyone that got in psycho bitch's way??? What? Did Jean encase him in a cocoon of psychic energy and toss him to the bottom of the lake? I'm pissed he's gone too, but dammit, GET OVER IT! Yeah, I said it.......of course he could have been beamed out by the Starjammers at the last second, and is now doubleteaming that hot skunk chick with his pops.
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This movie seems to follow Marvel's Theory of Trouser Conservation, last seen in "Hulk," i.e. if a male character is facing an unstoppable force that would otherwise rip or tear clothes to shreds, the pants somehow manage to stay on.
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Theres still a simple and clearly obvious(albet cheezy) way to bring cyclops back. Just start the next film with a flashback to that kiss, and show the rest of it. Where Jean's anger releases its hold on cyclop's eyes and fries her in the face. Not killing her, but knocking her out. Thinking he's killed her, he goes all hermitty in the woods like a blind man with his eyes closed while she is found unconscious by wolvie and storm. Cheezy, but what the hell. If they really wanna bring him back in future stories, that'd be the best bet in my opinion. The only laugh I got outta this was watching wolverine cut apart that mutant who could grow his arms and shit back, then kick him in the nuts and tell him to "grow those back." Oh, and go ahead and bring on apocalypse. Have Michael Clarke Duncan or some tall ass built dude play him. Might make a damn good X-film.
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This movie had some of the worst dialogue I've heard in a while. "Excuse me sir, is this the school that's safe for mutants?""It was""It STILL IS" Bad, bad, bad. The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants Cookout and Jamboree - terrible. The final battle that pit the X-Men against a seemingly normal bunch of homeless people - lame. They cut costs from the script to effects, and every single cut seemed to show. I'm sick of making excuses for bad movies, there isn't a single scene or battle that I have any need to see again. Except maybe the part where Wolverine's skin is peeling off but he manages to keep his pants on - FUCKING HILARIOUS. Many strive to have comic books taken seriously as fiction, but then defend the movies even when they devolve into camp.
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I remember reading the Phoenix saga when I was a kid AS THEY CAME OUT -- I'd hop down to the local newsstand and shell out my 35 or 40 cents (we didn't have much money, so I saved up my lunch money and earned extra bucks cutting grass.) Month after every other month -- it was a bi-monthly at first -- I anxiously awaited the next installment. It was classic. Each issue upped the ante -- Jean's sacrifice to save the shuttle, her rebirth from the water, her newfound seemingly limitless powers, her gradual transformation to darkness, the appearance of the Shi'ar and the Starjammers. The Hellfire club. The dark Phoenix. The death of Jean Grey. That was an amazing comic book saga. But folks, this ain't no comic book. It's a comic movie. So you're not going to have a world devouring Phoenix, a Shi'ar empire, or spandex. This is a different interpretation. And that is fine with me. My clildhood has not been raped. It has actually been validated in certain respects. I was a huge X-Men fan, even when they were Marvel's 4th string team. Actually if you go to the web site, the profiles show the original 5 on the first panel -- cyc, jean, angel, beast and iceman. Anyway, this movie delivered on many levels and really only missed on a few beats. Whether you are a comic fan or not, look at the movie on it's own merit, and think of it as same X-Men different universe and you'll be okay. Hits -- lots and lots of mutants, a cohesive story, maintaining the relationship between Charles and Eric, Phoenix, body count, Juggernaut (goofy helmet and all),Beast, finally seeing Iceman ice up, good pacing, lots of action, and decently choreographed fight scenes. Ian McKellan is a fantastic Magneto (although I always thought Rutger Hauer could have been cast in the role).
Misses -- Day to night in 1 minute (everybody at the theatre clued into that), Halle looks good acts bland, Cyclops' off-screen death, Angel was miscast and should have joined the team at on the blackbird, Juggernaut's goofy helmet, all mutants are goth, Calistro (wasn't she supposed to be some chick with an expatch?). Sentinel head looked like a 1970s Japanese giant robot toy, Would have been nice to see Quicksilver , Wanda and Polaris.
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Heck, they can't even do a World without Professor X without killing Ilyana! And then they bring her into Exiles...and kill her again! ... Anyway, my point is, the people who are doing the most "insert character here"-death/powerless bitchin' are the comic book geeks. What? It happens all the time in print, why are you griping when it happens in the movie?!? PS Next movie bring in Magik.
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maybe somebody has mentioned this, but did anybody find it funny that as Wolvies skin keeps getting blown away, his pants magically stay on? I understand WHY (PG-13, I don't want to see that anyways), but still... very very funny.
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I don't think Mystique betrayed Magneto. I think she was probably still loyal to him even, which is why the troopers were led to multiple man. Charles came back the head of the test subject Moira has been working with who had no upper brain functionality, for those who may have missed the earlier reference. X3 was far better than FF. If FF2 reaches even this level it could possibly save that franchise. I wouldn't mind seeing the directing reigns on that one turned over to Ratner.
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Jean's parents leaving a teenager alone with two older men ... "Don't worry, ma'am, we're Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart--we won't touch her"
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I liked this movie, though I can see why loyalists will hate it. The movie kills or nullifies a lot of the XMen core characters. That being said, I think it is a more "realistic" portrayal of what would happen in this situation. People would die. For the first time I actually see the mutant menace the way normal humans see them in the comics: they are monsters. All of them. Even the ones who are our "friends." I finally understand the fear and hatred of the mutants - I would fear and hate them if I were in their presence. I very much liked the insinuation that Xavier had been altering the minds of those around him to further his goals. I could never understand how someone who is a mental-dominant could resist altering a few opinions or emotions to make everything flow more smoothly. I know I would. And I would be a monster for doing it - just like Xavier. In the end, I loved the conflicted nature of this movie. I loved the chaos and confusion and betreyal. No, it's not the phoenix saga and yeah, lots of people get killed. But beyond that it is a more realistic portrayal of what the world would be like with superhumans. And it shows that goodguys are monsters too sometimes depending on your perspective.
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From CNN.com (find your own damn article): The [youthing] technology could come in handy if plans for "X-Men" prequels ever materialize, Stewart said.
"Ian was saying the other day there has been talk of a prequel with a younger Magneto and Xavier," Stewart said. "Well, here we are, Ian and I. Wheel us out and spend the money on the technology."
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is if Charles Logan was President. Gravitas!
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...FOX will release a "Director's Cut" with an extra 20-30 minutes of footage with little to no extra's just to rape the fanboys even more.
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I mostly liked it. I loved the "cure" angle and I loved Beast and the little bit that Angel was in it was great. However, Dark Phoenix was ultimately wasted. What had potential to be a story that could easily span three more movies, was wasted on a character that ultimately did next to nothing aside from kill off the two more important characters from the comics. I enjoyed the Danger Room sequence but for me it was too short. I would have loved a longer sequence. There was not enough of Juggernaut. Like I said, for the most part, I enjoyed it. It was certainly not better than X2 but I certainly didn't hate it. I have high hopes for X4 should they do a next chapter.
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What a bore for the 1st 85% of the movie. The dialogue was silly. The relationships, stupid. Rogue is a jackass for giving up her powers for Bobby when he will clearly dump her for Kitty. Juggernaut was wasted. Wolverine had little to do. Halle Berry still can't act. And why the fuck did they turn Mystique into Pepper Dennis just 15 mins into the movie. This should have been 2 movies split in half to cover the Phoenix story better, the problem wasn't Ratner it was the script. The epilogue after the credits was straight out of One Life To Live.
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Was pretty good. But it wasn't great. I feel odd saying this, but I enjoyed MI3 more than X3. And when the best stuff at the end is Kitty going head up with Juggernaut, there is an issue.
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From Box Office Guru: Mutant maniacs stormed the multiplexes across North America on Friday and powered X-Men: The Last Stand to a jaw-dropping estimate of $44.5M giving the super hero sequel the second largest opening day gross in box office history. Including sold-out midnight shows from Thursday night, the mammoth figure trails only Star Wars Episode III (another Fox franchise film) which debuted to a record $50M on a Thursday last May. The newest X-Men installment now holds the record for the biggest Friday opening day ever beating the $40.1M of last November's Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.
Reteaming the popular cast from the past including Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Ian McKellen, Rebecca Romijn, and Patrick Stewart, X-Men: The Last Stand averaged a scorching $12,000 per theater in 3,689 sites in its first day of release. Most films would kill for that average over a three-day weekend. With the lucrative Memorial Day weekend getting off to an explosive start, the mutant flick should easily demolish the nine-year-old opening weekend record for this holiday frame which was set back in 1997 with Steven Spielberg's The Lost World. That year, the much-anticipated dinosequel shattered all records leaping past the previous opening weekend record (1995's Batman Forever with $52.8M) with a four-day tally of $92.7M (including Thursday night shows). The Jurassic Park sequel grossed an eye-popping Friday-to-Sunday take of $72.1M showing the film industry numbers it never thought were possible.
Since the third X-Men installment is taking advantage of a fiercely loyal built-in audience, it is likely to see its opening Friday become a large percentage of the overall weekend gross. However, with the Monday holiday, Sunday sales will play out almost like another Saturday for the entire industry. Three years ago, X2: X-Men United bowed to $31.2M on its opening Friday on its way to a giant $85.6M weekend during the first frame of May. Two years ago, Fox opened its effects-heavy actioner The Day After Tomorrow over Memorial Day weekend and saw its Friday figure account for 36% of the $68.7M three-day gross. Since X-Men has more upfront demand, it should pull in more of its audience in the first day.
That could put X-Men: The Last Stand on a course to pull in a towering $105-115M over just the Friday-to-Sunday portion of the holiday weekend. The four-day holiday tally would then be on a course to zoom past the $125M mark.
Since Wolverine and his pals scared away all rival studios, there were no other wide releases opening on Friday. Last weekend's number one film The Da Vinci Code fell to second place with an estimated $10.2M on Friday tumbling a sizable 66% from its opening day last week. Over the Friday-to-Sunday period, the Tom Hanks hit could find its way to $30-35M while over four days, the Sony smash might reach the neighborhood of $40M.
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is that Bryan Singer owes us an X Men film... This movie just CAN'T be the ending. These deaths cannot be like that. Maybe Jesus died like a criminal, but even the Cross was an exemplary punishment and his death was something slow, colossal and even cathartic for those who witnessed it, who cared for Him. I ask nothing less for any hero or villain of X Men.... Anything less is an insult to the authors, the fans and yes, even to film.
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Yes, it was too short, but I thought it was great. And the Juggernaut line fucking killed me.
I think it would have been more fun if I'd gone to the midnight screening because the dumb fuck teenagers at the one I was at had no idea how hillarious it was to have a Snakes on the Plane trailer pop up on the screen.
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seriously, this guy loved jar jar binks, loved the hulk, loved godzilla, but then changed his mind after being ridiculed for it. and really what do any of the opinions here really matter? especially when you realize that x3 made major bank, and will probably generate another sequel. after all about 80% of all posters here seemed to hate phantom menace, but lined up anyway to see attack of the clones, and revenge of the sith. come on, admit it fanboys! we will go see anything remotely geeked out and part of the fun is bitching about it it after the fact. see you in line for superman returns!
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That the packed house that saw X-Men: The Last Stand at the showing I was at all seemed quite thrilled with it. A lot of people stuck around through the credits! And $44 Million ain't small change.
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First, I find it interesting in all the bitching about how Ratner messed up the Phoenix Saga, that no one seems to have noticed that she was called "Phoenix" in this film. Not "Dark Phoenix", just "Phoenix". There are still places to go with this story, there's still a "saga" to be told. We never saw Scott's body, and from the after credits scene, it was quite obvious that the dead Prof. X was still very much alive, so even if Scott is dead, he might not be for long. Y'all are seeing an ending, I'm seeing a bunch of still open plot threads. Second, for whoever posted it, no this movie will probably not do $50 million on Saturday. Sequels tend to be front-loaded; $45 mill on Friday will likely fall into the $30 mill range for Sat. and Sun., with the Monday holiday being anyone's guess. I'd love to be wrong, it was a great movie, but sequels just don't perform like you've described. Third, I find it telling that most of the people who claim to have hated the movie seem to have hated it because it wasn't long enough. "Angel was underused", "the Phoenix story was too compact", "the aftermath of the deaths weren't given enough screen time", "they finally did the Danger Room and the Sentinels and the Days of Future Past story, but it was all over in a couple of minutes", and on and on and on. Y'all claim to have hated the movie, but wanted more of it... isn't there an old adage about always leaving the crowd wanting more?
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Packed. And the lines as I was leaving the theater were crazy, the theater also had showings at 1AM. This movie will make crazy money this weekend, especially since there hasn't been shit for teens to see in a couple of weeks. Both MI3 and DaVinci skew older. Too bad they didn't spend more time on the script and more money on the effects and additional sequences, this movie had the chance to fucking kill it and obliterate the highly overrated X1 and X2, but it didn't. What a shame and waste of talent. Also my theater was generally silent through out the film then when it suddenly ended after it finally started going, people were a little pissed and you could hear complaints and hissing. Only about 15 people stayed for the scene after the credits.
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Much like talk radio the most vocal group only comprises 1% of the people who will go to see this flick and give Spider-man a run for it's money. The movie did what it was supposed to it entertained me. I'm not expecting a cure for cancer to leap from the screen.
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Hulk was one of the best comic book adaptations made in the last few years. Although some things were changed to be more contemporary, the essence of the character was preserved. Watching Hulk is almost like watching a Greek Tragedy (and i mean this in a good way) like Oedipus Rex or Medea. Of course if u havent watch one that u dont know what the hell im talking about. As to Jar-fricking-Jar and Godzilla i have to back u up... one is a horrible character and the other is a lousy movie. Later dudes.
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So the critics and Harry and the negative bunch saw a more complete movie yet said nothing.
More cut footage from people who saw early screenings...
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Just so you know i havnt seen the final print yet but these scenes were shown at my screening which were listed on page 1 of this thread:
Collosus Vs Jug's
Wolverine's speech from the trailer, "You go to war, you might not come home, she might not come home, you think of that?" Iceman's response was "We're not kids anymore."
Trask from the trailer saying, "You know what needs to be done." (This was after Magneto declaring he will exterminate humans)
Collosus speaking while metaled up: "Try it without the power of magnetism on your side"
Storm's Tidal Wave
Phoenix Flame while she goes nuts at the end.
Xaviers speech about Angels and Demons (this was used as the monologue with something about when conflicts get too high or something)
The Sentinel reveal (good thing it was cut, looked like plastic)
Angel in the end-battle fighting
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Magneto : "Get to the boy ... and kill him!"
Juggernaut : "About time!"
Soldiers : "Look out!"
Juggernaut continues to pummel soldiers around the field like rag-dolls. But something stands in his way.
Beast yells to Kitty : "Go get the boy!"
Kitty : "Im already on it!"
Wolverine : "Kitty ... be care" but before Wolverine can finish his sentence he gets smacked down by a fellow mutant.
Meanwhile Juggernaut and Colossus exchange looks. Kitty gets into the building and heads for the floor where Leech is on. She goes up a stairwell and goes around a corner. The scene cuts back to Juggernat and Colossus. Juggernaut gets annoyed and tells Colossus :
Juggernaut : "You'd better get outta my way tinman"
Colossus ignores the provocation and moves towards Juggernaut. Both lock there arms together and you can see the raw power of both of the mutants. But suddenly Juggernaut breaks free grabs one of the cars that are spread over the Alcatraz battle-ground. He grabs the car by the hood and smacks Colossus out of his way. Colossus slides several meters and almost knocks over a guard tower in the process. Juggernaut then jumps onto the Humvee and enters the building by jumping to the 2nd floor. Kitty sees Juggernaut jump in the building and manages to get the "upper-hand" on him.
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Dont you lot find it strange that Kitty enters at the 1st floor while Juggernaut jumps 10 meters in the air and gets in on the second? Kitty was supposed to get in first but Juggernaut managed to cut her off a great deal. Thats how it went in my screening anyway
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"Collosus Vs Jug's Describe this, where did it take place, how long..."
It was during Kitty and Juggernaut race or chase (what ever you want to call it). Kitty runs in but collosus shows up just as Juggs runs into leeches room. Collosus metals up and they par off for about 15 seconds. Then jugs hurls him toward the dirction of Leech then Collosus notices he's dearmouring. Jugs runs forward then realises he's weakened. Collosus knocks him out.
"Wolverine's speech from the trailer, "You go to war, you might not come home, she might not come home, you think of that?" Iceman's response was "We're not kids anymore." So the rest of the scene must have been different if he was telling them not to go, describe it. "
Yes, Wolverine wants them to stay because there the "newbies" Then Icey says that the wont win this battle with 4 of them. Wolverine is hesitent then Ice-man says: "Look, we stand together. Were X-men. Why do you fight" (not his exact words but im paraphrasing) Wolverine looks at him and says: ".....lets go"
"Collosus speaking while metaled up: "Try it without the power of magnetism on your side" Say what? What happened in that scene?"
Collosus fights and he starts levitating (obviously wired) and he floats to magneto. Then collosus says: "try this without the power of magnetism on your side", he dearmours and collosus is about to punch magnus but gets stopped by his followers. He armours up to fight them then magneto pushes him away stupidly fast.
"Storm's Tidal Wave Explain"
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Just got back from a showing and while i'm waiting for the after credits scene allthe sudden the film tears on the screen, WTF!
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......goes to baby in audience who saw Mystique kill someone, deliver a line... then 'said' 'ewwwwwww'.... The audience laughs for the first time during the movie. Hire that baby! Oh btw, can anyone actually describe to me how they turned the 'cure' into liquid form? hmmmm?
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Ratner didn't do a bad job. It was the script. And they should have probably hired Alex Proyas to begin with. Ratner also did a good job at keeping the look of the film the same as X1 and X2, but that's not anything special since Singer's films always look dull. Look at Superman Returns. Ratner did a competent job. And to the above poster who said people think it sucked but wanted more. I think people hate it because it really felt rushed. And when the fucking movie finally goes somewhere "The Last Stand" is very brief and leaves you hanging. You want the action that you were craving throughout the entire movie and when you get some good shit, you are left with blue balls. Being the 3rd in the franchise it should have been less quiet talky scenes and a little more ADD action.
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Some people just can't be happy with anything. The audience enjoyed it, my teenage boy enjoyed it--we both had a great time and wanted more. Pure entertainment. This will make a ton of money. Definitely more fun and more worth the admission price than the other Gandalf movie, the DaVinci Code
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My wife who knows nothing about the characters other than what was in the first movies loved it. I liked it. I don't really have alot new to add. Same good points and bad points that have been pointed out. Needed more time, too many wasted characters. Hopefully this won't be the last film, because there is still much more to see and do with these characters.
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Wow sweet, he could jump thru windows all over the world without being hurt... what a godlike power.
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...(and I use quotation marks because someone who wrote a dissertation against "haters" said it somewhere up the TalkBack) there are at least 12. Probably 14, actually. No wait, 12. It's just that everybody who's positive towards the movie and everyone who's negative towards the movie are operating under the fantasy that they're all on the same page (the so-so reviews are claimed by both sides). It's amusing how people who've yet to fork over their hard-earned cash for this one think that a 50/50 split means they're either going to like it because "crazy AICN talkbackers" have too much influence on the general consensus on this site or that they're going to hate it because "fanatical fanboys" do. All that prediction does is betray your own bias.
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Won't get near a 44 million dollar opening day. It's true...
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At the beginning of the film, the President of the U.S tells Hank McCoy that Magneto was seen in Lisbon, my home town. In fact he had dinner in my house and told me that he was going to lose his powers temporary. He also told me that the X-Men had somehow gotten hold of future Klingon technology from an alternate future timeline where there are no mutants and Earth is part of a galactic Federation. And these klingons had something called a cloacking device on their starships, so the X-Team got to install that on the Black Bird. Then didnt had time to install cup-holders though. later dudes.
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I expected to see a good movie and saw shit. The killing of Xavier, Cyke and Jean was bullshit. The Dark Phoenix stuff was a huge let down. I don't know who wrote the script but that person should never be able to deliver a script again.
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He'd simply make Harry re-read his review of *Godzilla* and proclaim to the world again how great it was, followed by a dissertation of how great *Blade2* was. It would rip a hole in the space/time continuum, probably upset the Pharaos Project radio telescopes that keep entropy at bay in this universe, and suck Harry into cosmic oblivion. And hopefully taking the master copy of Scrawnyman Returns with him and the Warner Bros. Pictures soft money too. That or just suck them both into the Eye of Harmony. The Tardis probably could feed a lot of energy off Mr. Knowles. Who needs the Cardiff Rift to power it when you have an ego the size of E-Space to snack on? Doctor Who rules, you Mondas bitches. Fantastic!
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I find it funny that everyone here is either 1) loved it or 2)hated it.
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..try looking at the opening grosses for (zillions of examples, but 2 come to mind)LOTR:FOTR and Scream.
Scream probably, percentage wise, had better repeat audience activity than the first LOTR. Both, if i got my digital memory right, made at least 10 times their original opening day/weekend gross.
With movies that people actually have suprising quality or that they love, the opening days don't matter. It only takes a few weeks for all arguments based on repeat audience/word of mouth power to take shape. (don't even bother me with 'everyone has their own opinion' right now with me...the fact it's my own opinion is the only reason you're reading this. What you guys don't realize is that even if X3 came out and made 'only' 30million over the entire memorial day weekend... the goddamn anyalysts who greenlit the budget made sure they would profit even off the worst-case-scenario. The success of the previous films gave fox/rothman/donner the chance to become the parents of a child that no matter how deformed, they could sell on market for millions of dollars.
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I'm a 50 year old X-Men Fan. Not 20 Feet away from where I sit typing this missive is a complete run of X-Men from #1 to the current issue. A goodly portion of my allowance as a kid and my earnings as an adult have gone into building this collection. Needless to say, I feel fairly competent to speak objectively about all things X.
My daughter and I just came in from watching X3 (I refuse to call it the Last Stand because if the box office numbers ring true, this one may be the biggest one yet and Rupert Murdoch and the rest of his corporate robber barons won't be able to resist those kinds of numbers).
My verdict is this, better than X1 not as good as X2.
Overall it was a good effort, there are some moments of sheer X-cstacy. Iceman rocks, Beast Roars and Storm Flies (finally). Wolvie works the woods and Magneto shows us all what he is REALLY capable of. The first ten minutes watching a young Professor X and Magneto was a freaking MARVEL.
I don't feel Harry or Massawyrm were entirely fair to the film.
True, there were some fairly serious violations of X-Men canon committed. I didn't expect to see Claremont's Dark Phoenix Sage brought to life. But I did expect to SEE the Phoenix Effect.
And would it have been too much trouble to have Juggernaut acknowledge his relationship to Prof X? Just a quick "Hello Brother" when Charles and Magneto approached the Grey house would have been sufficient. You would think that self proclaimed X-Fans like Kinberg and Penn would have INSISTED on that little tidbit.
This movie was a pinata, stuffed full of goodies but once it is busted open it's empty.
All things considered, I enjoyed it. But lets be real about one thing. Its a miracle that this flick worked on any level because of the HUBRIS and EGO of TOM ROTHMAN. The machinations of the studio are far too apparent in the final product for me to call this a complete success.
Trunticating the running time and shoehorning so many characters and subplots into such a short period was an abject BETRAYAL of each and every fan of the movie series and those of us who are fans of all things in the X-verse.
Only one thing dragged me out of my state of vicarious self-actualization realization, the UTTER MISUSE OF JUGGERNAUT. I realize that it might have been hard to explain Juggie's origin given the shortened run time, but I simply cannot accept how the character was used.
Juggernaut is NOT a mutant, everyone knows that. To reduce him and his power to the level used in this story is practically criminal.
All of us, fans of the comics and the films need to write to the FOX Board of directors and detail our disgust with TOM ROTHMAN. I believe everything I read in Moriarity's earlier script review and I mostly agree with his review of the film.
Plus, Brett Ratner is NOT the villian here. Kudos for trying to make a bad situation better for those of us who ARE fans. I also suspect that Kinberg and Penn are not at fault for some of the glaring omissions and canonical violations, I smell the hand of a HOLLYWOOD SUIT.
A good effort, I will have to see it again to pick up some of the small bits I missed on the first go through. I enjoyed this movie a lot, but I KNOW there could have been more.
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Im not a lover nor a hater of the movie, but a fan of the comics, nevertheless i got to enjoy the movie for those almost 2hours. Of course it could have been better and lets hope the next one is (and has Bryan Singer at the helm) but u guys need to take a pill, maybe a Valium or something... chill out, relax, smoke a joint. After all its just a movie. So, remember, take a deep breath, exhale and dont forget to lube while blowing each other...
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Oh I'm sure he's read them but much of what he says about comics seems like it comes from the mind of someone who has lots of friends who read comics and has borrowed a few of theirs. What gets me is his declaration that anyone who likes the comics won't like the movie. I'm an X-Men comic junkie. I've been reading it uninterrupted for the last 20 years (first issue #193) and I liked the movie a lot. I never expected Jean Grey to fly off into space and destroy a planet. Who did? While the Phoenix plot was shoehorned in to a much better story about the cure (better for a movie at least) it was still handled well and was similar to the way it was handled in Ultimate X-Men a couple years ago. There were a lot more references or direct ties to the comics in this film, than in the first two combined. Beast was pretty much a literal adaptation from the comic and even said "oh my stars and garters." Fastball special. Callisto vs. Storm. Prof and Magneto as friends. Iceman ices up. Leech for cryin out loud. I had some minor issues with it, most of them having to do with it's length and number of charcters, but it was very enjoyable and I got a lot more than I expected.
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Since people seem to be clamoring for a detailed explanation of why people are hating this movie so much, and one than non-comic-geeks can fully understand and relate to, I'll do what I can. Yes, Ratner did play fast and loose with some very well-loved characters, but so did Singer. What I found far more crippling was the lack of emotional resonance. This is partially a side effect of the severely truncated length of the movie, but it's much more than that. Yes, a lot of fans are complaining about the major deaths, but the deaths alone aren't the reason. You can kill off a well-loved character and still have the fans clamoring for more, as long as you do it with reverence. Even the death itself can be abrupt and arbitrary if the mourning means something. Look to Trigun and Serenity for examples of both ways to do right by a death. Fans are not complaining that the characters died. Fans are complaining because the deaths happened in an emotional vacuum. Ratner doesn't take the time to make sure you care about the characters, and he doesn't really make the deaths mean anything, either. They just happen, and then they are forgotten. Even the characters themselves barely react. (Well, at least one of them gets a flat and emotionless funeral. It's not much, but it's something.) It is painfully obvious that what Ratner cares about is not the characters but the spectacle. This applies to EVERY level of his storytelling. Witness the lavish attention to the destruction of the bridge, and the exploding of cars, and compare it with the corners cut in the flying effects, the makeup for Colossus, the blandness of all the Morlocks, and the sub-par performances squeezed out of at least two thirds of the cast. Instead of all those tiny, subtle moments of character essence from X2, we get non-stop one-liners, "bad-ass" lines that would feel more at home in one of the McBain movies from the Simpsons, and a steady stream of "fanservice" references that lack the context needed to make the fanboys squee over them. You can't kill one of the core X-men OFF-SCREEN in the first fifteen minutes and buy back the geek love by having Beast say "Oh my stars and garters!" It doesn't work that way. This is barely scratching the surface of the things that pissed me off about the movie, but I say the number one way in which it fails in my mind is by sacrificing the humanity of the story to fuel the mechanical fires of the Action Movie. And I am a man who loves Action Movies. Oh, and one more thing. To all the people who are saying stuff like "It's a freaking comic book movie. It's not Citizen Kane," you people are part of the problem. See, the thing is, it COULD be. We all want it to be, and there is absolutely no reason it can't. Comic books are just as valid a form of artistic and political expression as movies are. Hollywood has been relatively kind to us comic geeks over the past couple years, with a few major stumbles, but we haven't had our Citizen Kane yet. In my opinion, every Batman Begins, X2, V for Vendetta, and Sin City is one step forward, but every X3, Catwoman, Fantastic Four, and Batman & Robin is three steps back. Hollywood, take note; spectacle is enough to please a lot of the masses who will see it once and forget about it when the next blockbuster hits, but if spectacle is absolutely ALL that the movie has to offer, it will not please the geeks, and it is the geeks who would have gone to see it three or fours times. It is the masses who make a comic book movie a hit. It's the geeks who can make it a classic. X3 is a hit, but it will never be a classic.
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I mean in the comics he was a ugly little shit, so you knew he was a mutie. In the movie universe, how did he know? We don't know if he was bald because of his power, or bald because he was in the lab. It would have been nice to see how he discovered it. I'm thinking of a faith healer type setting, where his parents are religious nuts and think mutants are "demons" and their son can heal them. Worthington gets wind of this and seels the boy out. Of course that would have been waaay too controversial, but really would have made a great scene or two.
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Everything for this movie was pretty much pre-packaged, all Brett Ratner had to do was not f*** it up and what does he do? He f***s it up big time. Oh my gosh, this movie was bad. I understand that the movies need not stick to canon, but this was so far from canon that it pretty much takes a dump on canon. Jean kills Cyclops and Xavier?!!! WTF?! Ratner pretty much emaculates all the other characters, mainly Magneto, Beast, and Wolverine.
I think Kelsey Grammar was slightly miscast as Beast. And Beast was underused... I would have prefered Nightcrawler and Gambit to him. Definitely Gambit.
Horrible, cheesy, obvious dialogue, especially when they slip in "X-Men."
Complete waste of Phoenix and Dark Phoenix storyline.
Rogue was ridiculously underused. And does Bobby really call her Rogue even though she's his girlfriend? Shouldn't he call her Marie?
I was terribly pissed off throughout the whole movie. People who actually liked this piece of crap movie, I'll let you be, but I have no idea what the heck is going on in your brains.
Brett Ratner now ranks right down there with Paul WS Anderson and Uwe Boll.
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I think that's a catchy title. Coming in 2007 to Betamax...a Uwe Boll Film.
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Phoenix story ruled. Stay to the end of the credits to catch the return of a previously thought dead character.
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Bunch of xmen bite it. One suprising, 1 not so suprising. Angel is color - thant's all - no substance. Iceman cool - kitty pride cooler - and colussus - what's not to love.
Seriously - AICN geeks got together one night and decided that they needed a united front to trashg this movie. They need to get jobs in the real world for a while and come down of thier holier than thou soap boxes. -
I have seen a LOT of movies in theaters, and X3 is the only movie at which I have ever seen actual booing and shouting at the screen at the end of the movie. And I saw Underworld: Evolution, Domino, Doom, Fantastic Four, Ultraviolet, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and even Catwoman in theaters. Just something to think about.
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No, I didn't read ONE X-Men comic, I READ THEM ALL! So you didn't like the film? Boo-Fucking-Hoo, we'll all chip in and give you your allowance back.
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Let me explain something to those of you that STILL do not understand this rule (and it boggles my mind how many don't). If a movie makes money, there will be a sequel. If a movie doesn't make money, there will not be a sequel. As with all rules, there are exceptions, please don't waste my time with them. The point is this, it doesn't matter what FOX says, or Ratner says, or the actors say, or even what the title says. ("Last Stand" my ass.) It CERTAINLY doesn't matter what they say regarding a sequel before a movie is actually released. If X-Men three makes a shitload of money, which is precisely what it's doing, there will be a sequel, and sooner rather than later. If it had bombed financially, there would NOT be a sequel. How freaking complicated is this?!? The same goes with any other franchise. Take Spider-Man. The producers have gone on record as saying they plan to release a total of six Spider-Man films. Let me tell you what these "plans" amount to. Nothing. If Spider-Man three were to completely bomb at the box office, there wouldn't be a sequel. Ta-da. If it does well (which of course it likely will), there WILL be a sequel. If the fourth movie bombs, there will not be a fifth, REGARDLESS of what anyone "said." And guess what?!? If the Spidey movies are still raking in serious cash by the end of the sixth movie, do you actually think the studio will just go, "well, gee, we only planned for six movies, and we said we were going to do six, so I guess we'll stop here." WHY IS THIS SO DIFFICULT FOR EVERYONE TO GRASP!?!?! I hear this before EVERY movie! Oh, so and so said there won't be a sequel, or so and so said there will--- it does not matter. All that matters in determining whether or not there will be a sequel is the box office take.
Oh, and P.S. You can bet that the lesson Fox will take away from FF and X3 is that the quality of the film doesn't matter, so let's just save some money and crank out some shitty product as fast as we can.
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It did drop the ball and sequels will need to side-step around its deficiencies. It doesn't tie anything up conclusively, it doesn't make this a complete trilogy, it invites another sequel. I don't think it is the Phoenix saga, but it gives us an introduction. If X3 were a chess battle, the king and queen on both sides would be dead, the pawns would've spent all their time attacking and screwing while the rest of the main pieces would be frozen, doing nothing. Even plot elements like the Cure seem avoided. Angel and his dad were too repetitive after seeing the mutant in X2 and his dad, Stryker. However, I'm glad to see Angel's backstory out of the way.
Wolverine tries yet again for romance and fights more - which hurts a film that really needed to give Xavier some dialogue and leadership before they diluted him. You feel the fact that the team lost it's mentor (Xavier) and it's leader (which is supposed to be Cyclops), the problem is that the film doesn't address this in dialogue, it just shows characters remorseful, and prostrate in front of graves. They don't seem to know or care much about the direction the X-Men will take, and neither does the audience.This is an example of the weakness of Penn and Kinberg's writing ability. You can admittedly see some small faults like these in X2, but not on this level.
I found the weak introduction, execution and dialogue of the characters acidic. There's no focus, it feels unwieldy, with very bad pacing. It largely ignores relationships between Xavier and Magneto, Magneto and Mystique or Scott and Jean. The only thing that gets tied up neatly is Iceman's love life.
However, the action almost made up for it. Scenes like Jean Grey's house undergoing an early example of her Phoenix power. Some of the other characters are dropped in, and the action and intensity of it does feel like X-Men, there's just not a proper story being told. It's goofy. I do think that after the Wolverine and Magneto movies come out (if they do) these characters have a chance to have a life outside this series, and some of their ideas and personalities can be seen from different perspectives. I might be sick of Wolverine after this series though. -
..about why this film is so divisive.
First of all, let me say that I hated this movie. But I went with two women who enjoyed it. And I can see why. The movie was fast-paced, it started off with some interesting premises, and it had lots of action.
When I first read the negative reviews of this movie, I felt they were easy to dismiss. Most of the early negative reviews were of the 'Juggernaut is NOT a mutant, he's powered by a mystical crystal' variety. As in, standard fanboy whining. And I knew about the deaths in the movie. And even welcomed them. I thought, 'It's ballsy to kill off major characters. And they've been yammering about a human/mutant war for two movies already. Wars have casualties, right?' Right.
And so as I took my seat in the theater, I felt suitably inoculated with low expectations and a forgiving mood, eager to see some action spectacle, if nothing else.
And here's the diabolical part of Ratner's bullshit movie: For the first hour, it's pretty good. It sets up a lot of interesting personal conflicts, it's got good, efficient pacing, and the effects/stunts are solid. The faceoff at Jean's house is suspenseful, then it turns scary, then it turns positively operatic, and ends on a high, haunting note.
And then, little by little, the movie begins to suck.
Because after several major characters die off, the intelligent viewer is waiting for the remaining characters to take the reigns and remind us why we care.
And as annoying as it may be to some X-Men purists, this would have been the time for Wolverine to become the main character again, and give us some cohesive point of view as to the stakes of this war and why we should take one side over the other. But instead, we're left with Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry reading lines as if from a cue card and Kelsey Grammer on wires.
And all of a sudden, a certain fanboy who thought he was too grown up to be up in arms about an X-Men movie finds himself... well, fucking UP IN ARMS.
Because while watching a bunch of stunts and CGI clog up the screen, this fanboy can't help but remember the summer of 2000, when he sat down in a theater, alone, expecting the worst......
and the screen flickered, and opened to POLAND, 1944. And this young man actually shed a tear, because he realized that someone out there had actually understood that it wasn't the costumes, or the potentials for action COOLNESS. It was the CHARACTERS, and we wanted to see them honored. And Singer, no matter what minor fanboy nitpicks may remain, honored them.
I thought the first Spider-Man movie was deeply flawed, but it managed to struggle across the finish line on pure heart. You could see that with or without the Mighty Morphin Green Goblin, Raimi LOVED Spider-Man. And in his second effort, that love payed off in spades.
But what I saw tonight was not an effort in love. It was an effort in mimicry. And that mimicry ultimately failed when I watched the wonderful Famke Jannsen die, and yet could only think of my overburdened bladder. Because at some point during that movie, the X-Men I cared about had been switched with a bunch of bit players and Hugh Jackman had stopped playing a character and had become merely an FX-assisted placeholder. And Anna Paquin, who was really the heart of the first movie, had become a mere inconvenience (Even though the most brain-dead screenwriter could have found a brilliant use for her agains Pheonix). Prof. X had been turned into a dick, and then turned into dust. and Ian McKellan, always brilliantly regal and righteous as Magneto, was left with no one to act against.
This movie doesn't matter if the X-Men don't matter. And there are a lot of people who don't give a shit about the characters I grew up with. But I give a shit. I don't care about organic webshooters, or the Shi'ar, or mystic crystals, or Doc Ock's wife. But I give a shit about the characters I grew up with, and who inspired me to better myselrf, while providing the template for all the difficulties that such betterment entails.
the Mouth-Breathing public just cares about explosions. And the Pretentious Intelligentsia just cares about subtext and subcultural in-jokes. But some of us... Some of us care about the heart and soul of the characters we grew up with. And I wouldn't care a whit if every one died in X-Men 3, if their souls felt intact.
But instead I see every opportunity, every care squandered, while a couple of B-Grade movie stars stand triumphantly on a terrace.
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LOL. Talk about throwing everyone in there. At least Hank actually had reason to be in the story. If Remy was there he'd just be another Morlock.
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Word, brother. You nailed it much more sharply than I did.
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that's how i knew this would be something someone he would see as a second option to seeing fear no evil cause it was sold out.
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Your ignorance and disrespect is distasteful and childish. If you had read my previous post, you would have seen how I came by my knowledge. Like most of your generation, you are dismissive and petty. I fart in your general direction. Piss off.
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The first X-MEN did what it could with a low budget and had a lot of great things going, namely casting, and a lot of bad things going, namely plot and effects.
The second film was near perfect. This third one suffered from rushed production. But it still manages to be at the very least better than the first. AND IT IS STILL BETTER AND MORE ENGAGING THAN EITHER OF THE SPIDER-MAN'S TO DATE! The Spider-man movies just don't give us any real excitement. The same story. Spider-Man against some villian that threatens the city. I'm sick of the whole "Peter Parker dealing with his dual roles as hero and coming of age geek." BORING. At least X-Men, and yes the third one as well, deals with some wide issues of prejudice, right and wrong, politics, etc. YOU NAYSAYERS ARE BEING TOO DAMN PICKY AS USUAL. Forget the fact that the movies will not follow the comics full force. That is a dead argument. You can't sit there and compare these movies with whatever comics you've read. There has to be mass appeal. Yes, the production was rushed. Yes, that showed a bit. Yes, some characters weren't developed as they should have been. BUT, it's a damn good superhero movie that is above many of the others, including most of the Batmans, all of the Blades, both of the Spider-Mans, etc. THANK GOD the movie is making this much money!!! Thank God it will probably and hopefully kick the shit out of Spider-Man's record weekend take, if not just to give that franchise a reality check because it's VERY overrated. Fox would be CRAZY not to develop another sequel within the next three years. It doesn't matter what executive at Fox doesn't like the franchise. There will be more. These weekend numbers will change everything. Money talks and bullshit walks, so looks like some of you nit pickers will have sore legs. People call it the Return of the Jedi of X-Men?? I'm fine with that. Because while that third SW flick offered terrible things like Ewoks (are they really that bad though?) and what not, it also offered some of the most poignant storylines in the franchise regarding Luke, Vader, and the Emporer, not to mention a superior space battle that STILL has not been topped by any sci-fi movies, including the prequels. So yeah, I welcome that comparison because it is right on. Was it better than X-MEN 2? No. Get over it. There was a switch in directors and the studio fucked up by trying to rush it. Get over it. Despite all of that and despite Ratner, whom I really dislike overall, the film offered great action sequences, some great storylines and character moments, and an AWESOME final scene that will for sure set up the FOURTH X-Men movie. -
Ah, Moto. You open by quoting the first day's gross as proof of quality...and proceed to pretend X3 is better than X1, because... Magneto make more cars go boom? Please, for the love of god, don't have children. The gene pool canna take it!
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i haven't seen the film yet.... and i haven't read the whole tlkbk but HOLY SHIT! i watched brett ratner on jimmy kimmel's show and MY GOD IS HE AN ASS!!!! what a bastard-lookin'-for-an-ass-beatin'!! {i had talked about x3 to my momma...} please no jokes.. i saw x1 and x2 with her., {and she taped it for me}
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Fuck X-Men 4. Ratner owes his $44 million opening to the anticipation that SINGER'S movies created. I hope they never make another X-Men movie, since they've obviously passed the high-water-mark. This movie may have satisfied the easily-amused, but I doubt many people will be clamoring for more of the same.
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It doesn't matter what Harry thinks, even if he's right (which in this case, he most certainly is). I already see people coming around on other boards, from early repeat screenings of this movie, claiming, "I just saw it again, and oh, actually, I now realize how bad it is." Or "Hey I just saw it again, and I think actually I liked it less." This movie is SO awful, but was SO brilliantly marketed that it even gained a majority of the professional critics on its side!! Critics like those of the NEW YORK TIMES who had the GALL to claim that X1/X2/X3 are basically indistinguishable. I think critics are actually mind-wiped about Hollywood now, too. Because this abomination I saw on screen was not anything near what I would call good CINEMA. By the way, this "movie" is horribly misogynistic and possibly masochistic in its treatment of women -- and you're hearing this from a straight male. It's like horrible Alpha-male central (somebody else said I think), where all they can think of to do with women is treat them like "the submissive whores" that they're claiming they are. If Singer had done this story? Well, he wouldn't have done this "story" at all. But if he had? I'm almost sure his ending would have involved something much more interesting, and less OFFENSIVE, such as the following: The shit is going down at Alcatraz. All hope looks lost. Jean has been provoked by the army and Magneto's own treatment of her. She starts to freak out. People are killed. Cyclops begins to approach Jean, distracts her. Out of nowhere comes Leech, walking out slowly from the rubble of the building. High choir music builds. The moment quiets down. Leech outstretches his hand. Jean looks at him, realizes she's becoming weaker. This is the only way, they both know. He de-powers Jean, but she does not die. She is kept in stasis and kept ALIVE. Cyclops arrives at an unconscious Jean's side, and HE says "I love you, Jean." THAT'S the way this motherfucker should be. But no, it will never be, because of pointless stupid, selfish Hollywood politics and "the bottom line." It makes me physically sick that people actually accept this kind of shit. I'm done.
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Hmmmm, The Good..action, action , action, The Bad, Bad Dialogue, The Ugly, Killing off 3 Major Characters to your Franchise in 90 minutes. That was like Star Trek Killing of Kirk, Spock and McCoy in the Wrath of Khan!!!. Hey Brett could we have One Phoenix Effect Bird Shot. I mean DAMN!!!
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What would you guys say about Hollow Man 2 ? your heads would explode!
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Not sure what folks were freaking out about. It's by no means perfect but damn, the amout of vitriol here is just silly. Seriously people, get some fucking perspective.
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...how so many now praise Singer's work when initially all the fanboys were whining about how he butchered "the franchise" but now he's all of a sudden a fucking genius who effectivly translated the deep mystic meaning of "X-Men" to film. You're a bunch of hypocrites.
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Instead I wateched a movie that was better then X1 and on the same level as X2. There were no worse problems or faults then in X2. Some of you bash for the sake of bashing. X3 was good entertainment. Not the movie it could have been had the studio taken it's fucking time. I agree with some oen who said the first hour was pretty good, and the rest got weak, but i wasn't let down where i thought the movioe was bad. X3 was a worthy follow up.
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I can respect harry's opinion if it were honest, but i suspect his review was already writen long before he even saw the movie. I just can't see how a man can use his site to promote that mediocre looking superman Returns as if we are going to recieve the 2nd coming, but bash the hell out of X3 and write one of the most hateful and negative revies that I've ever seen, but then turns around and let his site be used to try and sell that bullshyt Fast & Furious 3??? Harry has proven that he can't be trusted. He's to biased and uses his site for reasons other then homnesty to attempt to destroy a movie. Now i can agree that X3 had it's share of problems, maily due to the fact that I know that xmen universe and saw no reason for some of the shyt that went on. Now on the other hand looking at the movie as the mainstream audiece with little knowledge of the Xmen except from the two previous films i can say I liked it a lot. This is how majority of the maintream is going to feel, which is why this movie will easily make over 200 million and dare i say it 300 million or close. Moriarty's review was pretty accurate on the film.
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Um, I for one NEVER complained about Singer's handling of the movies on these boards. I did think he could've handled Jean's death in X2 better, by making it seem more necessary... (Why did she have to leave the jet? Some say she was the cause of the malfunction, but they could've made that more clear). Anyways, he always was true to the spirit and nuance of the characters, and understood how they complemented each other. Even if Wolverine did clear the six-foot-mark. But anyway, SG7: Think about how stupid you sound: 'Hey AICN Talkbackers! How funny it is that you complained about Singer, and now you like him! Except for all of you that hated him or were indifferent!! And now you love/hate Brett Ratner's version! So there!'
You fucking moron.
I would almost like this movie better if it was 'Daredevil' bad. Which it isn't. It's just barely competent enough for people to accept. Which is even more annoying.
Seriously, anybody who thinks this is better than X1... You really need to watch X1 again, and then X3. Or watch X3 first, whatever. Either way, the soullessness of this effort will soon make itself apparent. Singer's movies were far from perfect, but they had an essence. X3 has a funky chocolate shell with nothing but a 20th Century Fox T-shirt inside. -
Well done.
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Well done regarding your theory of this movie and how they totally killed the spirit of these characters.
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"haters" to ever admit. And yes I used the word "haters" because it is an accurate descirption for those who can only articulate that they hated it. Too much negative energy has been wasted on a fucking movie, its kind of pathetic. Guess what folks, film, like all other mediums, are going to have fans and detractors. Not the first time people have disagreed about liking something. So "haters" I am asking you to please send me your addresses so I can come to your house bound and gag you, slice off your eyelids with the homemade wolverine blades you made in your basement, force you to watch me first kill your puppy (who you've affectionately named Beast), followed by watching X3, then watch as I sodomize your mother (because we know you don't have wives or girlfriends) ending the evening with me burning your Xmen comic collection then pissing on it to put the fire out. (repeat steps two and three as necessary until I remove the gag and force you to admit you love the taste of Singers cock) ** I would also like to specualte that if eveything was exactly the same except swapping the name Ratner out and putting Singer on it there would probably be a lot more "I liked it" or "it was ok for a final installment in the trilogy". And I do know all the history of production here people so don't bother correcting me. Just speaking in hypotheticals.
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your average non-comic reader. Joe Average likes mediocrity anyway. Anyone that read the greatness that is the Claremont/Byrne run, on the other hand... I've been re-reading them the last couple of days. Damn good funny books. Damn good. I'd forgotten what a ruthless bastard Wolverine was. The material there, in just those few dozen issues, had awesome cinematic potential that was barely tapped at all with any of the movies. And this third one just pissed so much away.
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This talkback has been hilarious. Great stuff. Both sides of the divide are really passionate on their feelings regarding this film. I've had more time to digest it since my Friday afternoon viewing. Has my opinion changed? Not at all. I still think the movie stinks. Big time.
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So many tiny things that bothered me with the movie. For some strange reason the one that really pissed me off was how Kitty Pride was able to knock out Cain Marko (Juggernaut). Juggernaut is not technically a mutant.
More so it was the obvious lack of knowledge of the characters.
That one sequence was the obvious creation of a writer who doesn't know the source material.
Cain Marko, not a mutant, he gained his powers from the Crimson Ruby of Cyttorak. Meaning that the plot convinient power of the cancer boy would have no effect on him.
As well, why was Juggernaut not wearing his helmet around not one but Two high level phycics... now that is just sloppy.
Not mentioning that he and Xavier are step-brothers, a missed opportunity for a very interesting moment.
Now on a broader and less geeky aspect of why the film was horrible. It is the classic Schumacher Batman Scenario.
Batman introduced multiple villains, and it failed.
X-Men went a step above and combined multiple arcs, since the movie is already an ensemble peice. Which could work with specific plots, but not when you are combining plots that just because they have proven successful. They were popular not just because of the name... aparantly some peope liked the Pheonix mythology. Fuck the danger room, show me the Hell Fire Club.
The positive of all of this. As long as the next writer and director are given some time to figure the franchise out... you could pull a great come back movie. You wouldn't even need to recreate the universe. Have Cyclops not have actually died, Jean Grey brought back to life by the actual Pheonix force. One could technically just nit pick everything that was wrong with the last two movies and then make an ensemble peice.
Anyways it is late, most likely no one will read this.
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Yes, there may be plenty of people who are blindly hating the movie without justifying it, but there are also plenty of people giving detailed descriptions of what they didn't like about it. I also don't buy that all of the people praising Singer over Ratner are the same ones who were bitching about Singer originally. All these talkbacks are the same, and have been for years. No matter what the movie is, some of us will bitch about it, and some of us will defend it. And some of us will attempt to invalidate the position of the others any way they can. Bah.
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Never said the box office numbers equaled quality. Thanks for the typical AICN bashing though. You're a credit to your race. You didn't like it that's fine. I guess my point was why the hell is everyone here freaking out about this movie, saying it was so bad. If anything, you HAVE to admit, it was better than the first film in so many respects. Give it that much at least. You guys overblow these things so much. But hey, it's your opinion. I guess be happy about the opening box office for one reason: A fourth film will be here within the next three years or so and hopefully they'll see that the franchise has legs and they can take some time with it.
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...even then AICNers will probably piss and moan about this and that. They'll bitch about the first image of the sequel that comes out, then about the poster, then about how sentinels aren't in the movie, etc. God, why do we go to this site??????????????????? It's like a fuckin drug. You know it's bad. But you keep coming back for more. I can't quit you AICN. God help me, I can't quit.
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Actually, I don't have to 'admit' that X3 is better than X1. So.... I think I'll pass on that. Sorry to 'overblow' the issue, einstein. And if you would read my above post, I... DON'T... WANT... another X-movie. The golden days are long gone. And only a fucking genius like you would think that movie executives think like this: 'Hey, we totally half-assed the last movie, and we made boatloads of cash! So let's be real thorough and slow with the next movie!' Hey moto, don't look now, but I think you've got drool on your shoes.
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Better action sequences and better (in some cases) special effects do NOT a better movie make.
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Versus, even. Man, I'm tired.
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Give X1 2006 special effects and compare. Give X1 two previous movies laying down rich characters, storylines, and a world to build off of and compare. The bottom line is that X3 had every reason to be a great movie. But it sucks b/c it was rushed. The fx- rushed. The script- rushed. The acting- rushed. Heck, even the running time was rushed. Rushed! And all of this shows! X1, did what it had to do. It was an origin/ first movie. It had a much smaller budget (than its sequels). It created a world and introduced us to characters. It layed groundwork. It honored the spirit of the X-Men canon. It also showed what could be done with comic movies (and in the future). Case and point- the GREAT movie that was X2. X3 had every reason (backstory, budget, fan interest, etc.) to not only be a classic but to also continue the X-Men film legacy/ franchise and segue into future movies and stories. X3 is not a bad movie. There have been worse comic movies. BUT, because A) it had every reason to be a great movie and B) it killed off so may possibilities for future movies and classic X-Men storylines (i.e.- by killing off major characters, ruining classic X-Men storylines- Phoenix Saga, etc.), X3 stands as a bust of epic proportion. Truly sad.
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"I prefer this film to SUPERMAN, because Hackman completely fucked up Luthor, Ms Tessmaucher and Otis should be shot dead."
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Hey bud, I'm sorry you didn't like the movie and obviously I'm not gonna try to convince you to. But I wanted to answer a couple of your questions to show why your list of supposed flaws don't necessarily bother everybody and therefore doesn't prove that the movie is scientifically "horrible by all standards" as you say. For most of your questions my answer would be "I didn't notice that and I'm not sure why that would bother anybody." But I want to answer a couple that I think are most significant. "8) I would LOVE for someone to explain to me the purpose of Warren, besides simply catching his father in mid-air at the end of the film." Well, today's your lucky day Coo Guy. I'm gonna explain it to you. (Assuming Warren is the angel guy.) The purpose of the character is to show a mutant raised to be ashamed of his mutant heritage who learns to accept it. We see that his father invented the cure, which is a low down dirty shame for a guy who's own son is a mutant, kind of like politicians who vote for anti-gay bills when they have relatives (or themselves) who are gay. In the prologue we see how the dad's feelings about mutants cause the poor kid to hate himself to the point of desperate self mutilation. (To me this scene sure as hell has that "emotional resonance" people say is missing from this picture.) Years later he almost takes the cure voluntarily as his dad asks but at the last minute realizes his mistake and fights his way out. The way he unstraps his wings and bursts into the sky flying high above all the lined up uncle tom mutants is almost too obvious of symbolism but it's still pretty great. At the end I was almost disappointed that his bastard father didn't die but clearly the fact that the son rescues him is the completion of their little story line. The father's life is saved by the unique traits that he tried to get his son to remove. And then the son flies free, inspiring people who watch in awe from below. I mean come on, you don't have to like it, but how can you deny that there is a clear purpose and meaning to this little father and son arc? Alot of people keep saying the script is terrible (and I admit there's a couple bad lines in there, like the one about "you of all people know how fast the weather can change") but I think it's smart in the way it gets what it needs out of so many characters in such little time. The angel storyline does everything it needs to with minimal scenes and dialogue. "4) When a mutant is as powerful as Magento, why would he ever need to destroy an entire bridge just to get over to an island? Wouldn
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Brett Ratner lay off the blow because XMEN 3 BLEW!!!!!
by mentallymariah
Oh my god, I was at the Grove yesterday for one of the showings and people actually walked out 5 mins before the movie actually ended...WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT I ask you? a whirlwind of chunks that blew out of Brett's coke induced mouth, sorry but your movie sucked ASS and to put it next to Revolutions as being the crappiest 3rd part of a trilogy is a understatment...because XMEN 3 is PURE CRAP, Corny, no feelings towards any of the characters, I felt as though someone flushed everything I loved about XMEN down toliet in a stinky PORT-A POTTY to boot...May has been a dissapointing month, lets just hope June brings us some real good movies...Sorry to all your XMEN 3 lovers, but this is my opinion, The film was dull to the point of putting me to sleep....I hated it!!!
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I can't believe I just wrote a post that long. I am insane.
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......et al. And this includes the people who've been pointlessly bashing Ratner as if he's the one who wrote the script, set the budget, or the production schedule. NOBODY gives a crap what you think!!!!! Not the General audience, - you know, dem 'regular' folk, as Harry puts it, - who obviously are still packing theatres to see this movie. Not movie critics, a good number of whom gave this movie thumbs up, and especially NOT the Studios, who know better than anyone, the real people that put the bread on their table (hint it's not you geeks, and "REAL" comicbook fans; if anything Studios are better off veering as far as possible from what you dopeheads want in a movie since that'll will put off the rest of the general audience). So stop whining like anyone gives a crap or like anyone's going to bother paying attention. If you hated the movie so much going in, why'd you watch it? So here's a suggestion, why not band together in some enclave, come up with a better and far superior script with a better Dark Phoenix storyline, raise some funds and produce an independant movie, and then let the rest of us judge for ourselves whether it's actually better or not. Until then STFU, move the crap on, and if you find that too hard to do then.....sing it to the birds.......
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There is a pretty big flaw in your argument: Port-a-potties don't flush. It's just a big hole. So there is no way for everything you loved about X-Men to be flushed in a port-a-potty. It would just have to be shitted out into a big hole. Not flushed.
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why do people keep bringing up the budget as a thing that was unfortunate. wasn't it 150-210 million??? that's HUGE! much larger than the other 2, even more than Kong if the 210 is true. how was the budget not big enough? somebody please explain.
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The one thing I really take issue with is your claim that "Studios are better off veering as far as possible from what you dopeheads want in a movie since that'll will put off the rest of the general audience". Frankly, this is ridiculous. It is no coincidence that the comic book movies most loved by comic geeks have been some of the most successful. Let's face it; good storytelling is good storytelling, and while it is not required for a movie to make money, word does get around. Also, in a perfect world, your suggestion for making our own movies is a lovely one, but the sad truth is that making even a modest superhero movie takes more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetime.
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"I am willing to accept a certain amount of stupidity in a movie like this". Sadly that says it all. It isn't that the filmmakers are as dumb as the movies they produce - they just assume we're dumb enough to not notice or care. I could care less about how closely this follows the comic books - this was a dumb movie.
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If not black, possibly magenta? :P
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X1 is garbage but since the fanboy-dreamboat Singer made it it's goddam Citizen Kane. Bitch please. X3 had far better action and a far better plot. But your so used to having Singer's balls stuck to your chins that you can't accept that Ratner (the director fanboys love to hate) actually outshined Bryan "I never really liked comic books" Singer. Notice all the Ratner bashers rarely bring up X1 cause deep in their hearts they know it's a fucking boring and stupid movie. The mutant cure storyline blows it away. The action scenes from X3 are far more memorable and inspired than the bland wire fu from X1. I remember watching X1 in the theatre and leaving extremely disappointed and pissed. Not only were most of the characters miscast but the action scenes were silly and the plot RETARDED! People who bash Ratner while forgiving Singers first pathetic X-men movie are fucking lying to themselves. Singer is so goddam overrated it's ridiculous. Go back to watching the shitty wire fu in X1 and X2. Go back to watching those shitty plots too. I'll be watching the only X-men movie worth buying due to high replay value, X3 BITCHES!
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Every great movie has those scenes that we watch again and again. I own dozens of DVDs that, while I find sitting through the entire movie a chore, I still regularly jump through and watch those moments when everything worked perfectly and the hairs on the back of my neck just stood up. So which are the scenes in X3 that you are going to watch again and again because they managed to achieve those moments of greatness? What scene was so cool that you're going to keep punching the rewind button like a junkie looking for a fix? I need some help because I can't think of a single one.
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....Do you honestly believe, with the most rational parts of your cerebral faculties, that the Dark Phoenix storyline/arc, could ever, EVER, be done total justice by one 2 hour movie to everyone's satisfaction? And by total justice I mean, staying true to most versions of it in the comics to please the uber-fans ( ie. "you" people) while providing enough expository and background material to comfortably entertain and inform the newbies and General audience at the same time ( i.e. comfortably compressing several comicbook issues of storylines spread over several years and decades, into a 2 hour movie with enough explanation as not to confuse people with absolutely no prior knowledge)? Well, do you? And do you honestly believe even Singer would have pulled that off? There's a reason why these things change drastically when being translated from comic to screen, and a lot of it has to do with people who don't read comics, and the fact the they outnumber those that do. And the fact that comicbook movies are some of the most succesful has a lot more to do with the fact that they were adeptly adapted for the big Screen by their screenwriters ( read: changed so drastically from comicbook canon to fit into the constraints of movieland budgets and financial realities as well as audience believability: Biological web-glands for Spiderman? Black leather suits as opposed to Saturday morning Mighty-Morphin-Power kaleidoscope coloured suits for X-men?). And when you say "......but the sad truth is that making even a modest superhero movie takes more money than most of us will ever see in our lifetime.", thank you for coming to the apt realization of the truth and point I was driving at with all the astuteness of a YAK. It was a rhetorical suggestion, which means I obviously know it's not possible, and hoped that by your realization of the same, you would acknowledge the facts that a) Studios don't read AICN talkbacks and hence wouldn't really put your suggestions into their next movie, or give that muchof a crap about them anyways...and.... b)As you so brilliantly pointed out, none of us talkbackers are likely ever going to have enough coin to finance a movie by ourselves;...... and hence stop whining about how better this movie could have been. Next time the job for director or screenplay writer for another of your beloved comicbook adaptions opens up, do everything in your power to convince the respective studio and powers that be, that you are the man for the job. Craft the very best adaptation you can to produce the best comicbook movie ever, and then we can all sing your praises on AICN talkbacks; where the most influential voices in Film reside and carouse. Other than that, constantly whining about a movie that most other people clearly liked ( people for whom the movie was made and marketed for), only makes you seem like more of a loser than you might already be.
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Sith, War of the Worlds, Batman...But this summer...just o.k flicks like X3 or MI3
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I hate when people say Angel was "pointless" in the movie! Why do these people read/watch fiction when they're completely unable to spot obvious symbolism. Go back to watching digimon reruns dipshits.
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Gelflings and Turtles. Fuck them there giant robuts and another yawnfest of a Spidey-flick.
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I posted this earlier, "Lets see... The Kitty fight scenes? AWESOME! The Wolverine vs Juggernaught fight? AWESOME! Jean Grey as a child? AWESOME! The Multiple Man scenes? AWESOME! The Storm/Callisto fights? AWESOME! The guard talking shit to Mystique? AWESOME!Every scene with Magneto? AWESOME! Beast acting like Beast? AWESOME! The Mystique prison break? AWESOME! Iceman icing up for the first time? AWESOME! Storm flying? AWESOME! Wolverine vs the Brotherhood? AWESOME! Magneto moving the chess piece? AWESOME! I get the feeling if Singer's name was attached to the same exact movie all the haters would be saying how much fun the movie was. Oh and the mutant cure plot was way better than the boring plots of X1 and X2. Ratner made a movie that is more compelling and entertaining than BOTH of Singer's attempts. Not bad for "a rush job from a hack"."******* Now you do the same for X1. :)
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I posted this earlier, "Lets see... The Kitty fight scenes? AWESOME! The Wolverine vs Juggernaught fight? AWESOME! Jean Grey as a child? AWESOME! The Multiple Man scenes? AWESOME! The Storm/Callisto fights? AWESOME! The guard talking shit to Mystique? AWESOME!Every scene with Magneto? AWESOME! Beast acting like Beast? AWESOME! The Mystique prison break? AWESOME! Iceman icing up for the first time? AWESOME! Storm flying? AWESOME! Wolverine vs the Brotherhood? AWESOME! Magneto moving the chess piece? AWESOME! I get the feeling if Singer's name was attached to the same exact movie all the haters would be saying how much fun the movie was. Oh and the mutant cure plot was way better than the boring plots of X1 and X2. Ratner made a movie that is more compelling and entertaining than BOTH of Singer's attempts. Not bad for "a rush job from a hack"."******* Now I challenge those who loved X1 to list all the scenes worth watching over and over again. I bet my list is better. :)
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Saw it a second time tonight. Damn good movie. Nuff said.
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Gracie got his ass handed to him , it wasn't even a fight..Hughes almost broke Gracies arm off his body but settled for pounding his head in till the fight was stopped in the first round. Oh ya , the XMEN movie was fun but not long enough to make it a real good movie as they couldn't do much in the way of fleshing out the story. -
Who is on holidays in cork and he asked me had i seen x-men 3 and i had said that i hadnt and he said that he thought it was very good, so that sealed the deal and i went, yesterday and had absolute blast. This is a comic book action film and as an action it looked great that was mainly down to dante spinotti fine camera work. This film belonged to only one actor and McKellen was both outstanding and magnificent. Stewart was his usual reliable self. Harrys criticisms of this film were i believe petty and small minded. This was a film which was cursed with bad luck and none of that was neither the studios are ratnerrs fault really. sure there are things that possibly didnt like but this one was lighter then the other two and so in the end i enjoyed this film. and that is all that matters. if you look at the ground long if enough you will find holes.
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appearance. We're told by 'fast-mutant-sensing' chick that they're all low in midichlorians (or some shit). So basically, they're mutants without any good powers (for example, explain to me how transforming into the center from Necessary Roughness will get you on to the X-men) ... they're like Meg in the Family Guy ep. So basically: you're essentially an outsider, but what makes you different doesn't make you powerful. So of course you're going to form your own subculture. Tats and black leather make the most sense ... unless you thought polos and khakis would be a more extreme look?
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"Comic fans who likes this crap
are posers. Filthy posers and wannabes. "ohh, i read an x-men comic and i know all about it. I liked the movie too" Shut the hell up. You're not cool. Stop trying. " ... HAHAHAHA, yeah cause everyone knows the cool kids are those that read all the comics. HAHAHAHA, yeah I want to come off as someone who still lives in my parents' basement. -
does this movie suck bad enough to skip - and maybe rent went its on disc - the running time is a turn off - how can you pack so much needed story into less than 2 hrs - emraldboy - you said this movie was cursed with bad luck - but it wasnt the fault of the studio or the director - who is left - the producer? - if the producer is at fault for messing up then so is the studio - for backing the producer
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Just seeing your favorite characters moving around on the big screen doesn't make them great moments in filmmaking. High budget or no-budget, shot in 10 days or shot in 10 months, great actors or no-names - talented people show flashes of brilliance. Since you brought it up, let's discuss the greatness of the Multiple Man scene, where the little blips on the screen reduce down to one, and then the big twist is that it isn't the Brotherhood, it's just Multiple Man (btw, why would he give them the opportunity to shoot him by reducing himself to one - and why don't they?) In your opinion, what is it about the acting, shot selection, editing, or special effects, that make this a must-see scene for young filmmakers out there? BTW, the young Jean Grey scene doesn't come CLOSE to the young Magneto scene in X1. Mystique was doing the same things she did in X2. Magneto's prison break was far more interesting and clever than his brute force tactics in X3. Beast was neon blue and his fight scenes looked bad, they did a much better job with Nightcrawler (the White House break-in was far more interesting and visceral than anything in this movie). Iceman icing up? We saw Colossus do something simlar in X2, and Iceman just looks cheap. A lot of this movie felt like it had been done before.
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My wife and I, for example. Not sure why she didn't like it, but I personally can't stand mind control as a plot device ... and I also don't like what they did to Magneto's character in it. I found the X3 plot more engaging and the action more enjoyable ... and you got to love the needle spinners. Now, I know a lot of people love X2, so I'm not going to crap on the movie, but you people have to understand that different people like different things.
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The movie is generating strong word of mouth, especially among the ADD generation, most of whom couldn't give a shit about comics. Fox took a gamble here: do we alienate the 0.2% of the country who are die-hard comic book fanatics in exchange for making a high-grossing superhero film. It looks like the gamble paid off. Oh well, looks like the fanatics may be able to enjoy Superman 1 Redux later this summer.
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... because all I've said is that I thought that ALL the X-Men movies were (IMO) watchable, but nothing that special - with some dodgy FX, plot holes you could drive the Death Star through and some embarassingly preachy and wooden dialogue.
And, yes, I've said "it wasn't the Citizen fucking Kane of comic book movies" because (again IMO) it wasn't. When I talk about Citizen Kane I'm using that as a shorthand for "a level of achievement very few film-makers even aspire to, let alone achieve." And for the record, I thought the only word suitable to describe the Harry-hyped V for Vendetta was "aesthetic fascism that would make Leni Reifenstahl proud" - but that's a whole other talkback. I make precisely no apologies for judging films on their own merits, not some Olympian standard of perfection that serves no purpose except to masturbate the critic's ego and totally unjustified sense of artistic and critical superiority.
I also make no apologies for having no interest in insider-wank that seem to be motivating the poisonous, and frankly psychotic, jihad some people here have against Fox magnagement and Brett Ratner. Seriously guys, did Ratner fuck your girlfriend back in junior high?
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"Those dorks don't have women"
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Yeah yeah, Jar Jar and Godzilla, etc. But let's not forget his phenomenal review of Unbreakable. I probably never would've seen The Greatest Comic Book Movie of All Time(tm) if I hadn't read his review. Now, it may be a case of a stopped clock being right twice a day, but because of that I need to give Harry's reviews at least some benefit of the doubt.
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I'm just on a rant about bad filmmaking. I've never forgiven Hollywood for Alien3, so here's a chance to pick open an old wound. I wasn't a big fan of either X1 or X2, but they had their moments. I just found this movie to be terrible, and I'm really interested to see if fans of film (not comic books) feel the same way.
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I really enjoyed this film, and I'm not a huge comic book fan (see my above mocking posts)--although I do like them, I just don't give them the Pokemon treatment. Oh and Next Wave is the greatest fucking thing ever. Where was I? Oh yeah, so I guess that makes me more of a film fan. And I loved X3 unabashedly. Do I recognize there was some filmmaking mistakes? Sure--for example the camera work in the Angel/Daddy scene. But at the same time, the movie engaged me. I was transfixed during the Phoenix scene at the Grey residence. I emjoyed Mystique's and Beast's scenes. And Ian McKellen had some damn good facial expressions in the film. And yeah, the floating needles in front of Magneto looked fake/CGI'd, but I won't let that kill my enjoyment of that look of absolute fear. Some times you have to drop to a level below technical study and just let the movie try to engage you.
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Why are you comparing the young Jean Grey scene from X3 to the young Magneto/concentration camp scene from X1. You know the self-mutilating Angel scene is a much closer match. And yes that scene has about the same emotional impact as the young Magneto scene in X1. Seeing a child mutilate himself because of society's prejudice was truly heart wrenching. I wont say it's flat out better than young Magneto's concentration camp scene but it's damn close. I pointed out the Multiple Man scenes not because they had great editing but because Multiple Man was flawlessly translated from comics to the big screen. Those scenes were way cooler than any cameo scenes in X1. Anyways it's unfair to take the best parts of two movies (X1, X2) and compare them to a single movie (X3). If you want to be fair compare Singer's first X-men movie to Ratner's first X-men movie and keep in mind Ratner had to restrain his ideas to the X-universe Singer created. Singer had no such restraints.
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Well, that's kind of my point. It's the filmmakers job to engage me, and they failed. While normally I accept that people have differing opinions, the positive response to this movie has me baffled. Could be the fault of the studio, producer, writer, director, actor, FX house, etc., but there was something in every scene that bugged me or defied the internal logic of it's own story. For example, Wolverine chooses to kill Jean Grey than stick her with a needle and turn her into a normal person (I guess he considered that a fate worse than death). He got close enough to use his claws, could have stuck her.
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Saw the film (for the first time)on Thursday and my initial reaction was why! As entertainment it was okay but more importantly as a continuation of the Xmen story it sucked. Firstly Wolverine was a poor imitaiton of the real thing, only one big scene where he got show his aggresion - big deal. Secondly the treatment of Mystique was atroshious and also with Rogue (my gripe has always been if you are going to include her she should at least have the abilities of her character in the comics or cartoon series (ie flight & super strehngth), she came across as a non entity. Thirdly why even have Colosuss in this movie he did nothing, in the final fight scene you only saw him in action once (wated oppotunity), Angel was also non existant. The effects were okay but I expected better considering the budget, the Golden Gate scene is obviously where all the money was spent and it did look cool, however it was at the expense of other character developement which could have been better expanded/utilised on them. The cramming of two major story arcs was wasted on a 1hr 45mins movie, it had rushed production written all over it. Beast was good, as were the scenes where he was fighting for the cause, although I expected more Xmen - Brotherhood fighting. Ice man looked good when he fully Iced up and his fight with Pyro was also okay. Overall I agree with Harry's comments and just wished that they could have spent more time on post production to ensure they delivered on what they had promised - a kick ass finale to the current franchise, sadly they didn't.
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This movie was just not good. You have a couple of cool moments bogged down by disastrous problems such as: why isn't Magneto taking Wolverine and Colossus out of the fight instead of standing there at the end? Why would mutants run at an army of De-mutant soldiers? The list goes on... And thanks for destroying every possible outlet for better x-men movies. Dark Pheonix...without showing...THE PHEONIX???? Fucking genius's I tells ya... AND CHECK THIS OUT! 2nd highest grossing opening day EVER! That means more movies will get made and treated just like this one! THANKS A LOT! We can all rest well now that every movie studio will be pumping out shitty adaptations for 10 years because you know what? We proved that rushed movie making sells.
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For me, I only worry about internal logic when we're dealing with a suspense/mystery film. Even something like 24 I'll push aside internal logic as long as it's dramatic. Yeah, I'll notice it--I'm still waiting for someone to have the guts to have Magneto rip out Wolverine's skeleton--but I've already suspended belief in the first place in order to deal with what I'm watching, so the logic doesn't have to be perfectly consistent. I find it funny that people will wonder how the Golden Gate Bridge is going to stay up with its support structure destroyed yet don't stop to question a man moving the bridge in the first place. ... on Wolvie using the cure on Jean -- unless he kept some in his pants pockets (insert joke here), where would he have gotten any?
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It's a franchise with a huge fanbase and it had the most promotion I have ever seen for a movie. I mean, for fucks sake, they even had actors from the movie appear on "Cold Pizza" everyday for a week promoting the movie. The promotion saturation was EVERYWHERE for this movie. No fucking shit it had a big opening day. That fact has NOTHING to do with the quality of the movie. None. Zero. You can write me off as an intellectual snob or fanboy all you want, doesn't change the fact that this was an unfocused, lazy, halfassed cash in on a liscense.
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"I'm still waiting for someone to have the guts to have Magneto rip out Wolverine's skeleton" It was done in the comics, just made Wolvie lame as hell until they scrambled to figure out a way to get the metal back in his body.
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Of course it was done in the comics, what, you think I came up with that on my own?
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they are stupid and should die. if you say you like brussel sprouts, you're a liar or a plant yourself. or you have no taste. i mean, i hate them. and how can you differ from me? i leave no room for discussion.
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Was that weak analogy supposed to signify something?
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just trying to point out it is too hopelessly oversimplified to be accurately applied here. I mean, yeah, I can accept that someone likes something I don't, but in rare cases I can feel that they are enjoying it because they are ignorant of something. Like kids today who think that Jar-Jar is awesome, it just makes you shake your head you know. Or someone that just LOVES Brittney Spears music, you just kinda feel for them. Feel sorry for them that is. Theres not a single person on this board who hasn't felt that way about person x's taste in art y once in their life, including you, so get off the high horse.
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Hundreds of films have been promoted as much as this, I am not saying that quality=money taken, but countless other films have had similar levels of promotion and made little money. Hell Posiedon andds and appearences were everywhere and no-one saw, it, look at the M:I:III marketing blitz and that made in a weekend the same as this in a day. It is more a testament to the quality of the characters and the world that has been created if not the quality of the movie.
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The Poseidon promotions did not hit nearly the amount of saturatin I saw with X3. Poseidon also doesn't have the same kind of broad, worldwide following running 40 years deep that X-Men does. I'm just saying it's hardly surprising that X3 made so much on opening day, and certainly doesn't speak to the quality of the film. I also want to emphasize that I didn't HATE the movie, I liked it better than X1 (which I came away from feeling very ambivalent about), it just makes me bitter that it could have been so, so much more, and it certainly wasn't a "great" movie by any measure, unless you water the adjective "great" down to a useless degree.
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yeah, it was intended to be simplistic. that way more people would get it. like CooGuy. who inspired the post. the disturbing part is that you DIDN'T get it. it's not to point out the flaw of the individual that enjoys something as a result of their "ignorance", but rather the individual with a superiority complex that feels they know better. in this case knowing better means having the baggage of a few decades of funny books under your belt. sure that wasn't the Dark Phoenix saga we know, but I'll be damned if I'm going to stand in the lobby explaining to excited happy kids why the movie they saw was bad. and it's not that i'm on a high horse, you're just looking up to me.
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or Superman Returns, will check this out soon - let the torrents begin :)
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You cannot sit here and tell me you've never thought the same shit about someone's taste. Never heard someone talk about a band, movie, or TV show they like and you think to yourself "Ugh, that shit sucks". Bullshit. Some people may not say it, but everyone thinks it from time to time. Every single person on this board has from time to time. This just HAPPENS to be one of those times for me. It's rare, but it happens.
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Watch hollow man 2. What words will you have to describe that film if you used them all to bash x3???
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Is that there is no such thing as bad art. That Full House is just as good as . Or that the Village People are just as good as . Or that Gigli is just as good as . I don't for a second buy that any of you believe that. Fucking hypocrites.
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the second time was to see if it was the movie or me that was retarded. i walked out knowing the movie was retarded. i haven't seen the last two (or even any of the original tril. since). i happen to know why on a foundational(?) level why this new trilogy is horrible. give me a pencil and a post-it note and i can prove it and check my work. however, there are people that swear up and down that Phantom Menace is good. my criticisms fall on their deaf ears. they honestly like it. i don't know how, but they do. and unfortunately, their opinion is just as valid as my own. i don't think these people are stupid, or ignorant. if they were to take a creative writing class, maybe they would learn why the Phantom Menace fails in terms of structure. But I don't think that would make them like it any less. Hell, I LOVE Cabin Boy. I remember hearing my own laughter in a full theater on opening night. so what I'm saying is that i've learned not to say "ugh, that shit sucks", but rather "I don't get it" or more commonly "that was made for someone else".
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Full House is just as good to some people as Seinfeld is to me. The Village People are just as good to their fans as Bob Dylan is to me. Gigli is just as good to someone...Kevin Smith?... as Cool Hand Luke is to me.
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Got to see it last night and I thought it was perfectly good for the third film in the series. Apart from one glaring fuck-up (man, it gets dark fast on Alcatraz, don't it?) I thought the film was consistent within it's own universe. Just as there were inconsistencies from comic to screen in X1 and X2, there were inconsistencies in X3. Did I mind the Phoenix story? No, they explained it as something different from the comics -- they obviously can't do the entire Dark Phoenix story on screen (and for fuck's sake, Harry, if that's what you want go make the damn film yourself -- you whine as badly as the Brits did when U-571 came out, to which I always replied that if the British movie system could come up with the $50 million budget they should go make historically accurate films and watch NOBODY SHOW UP. Sorry, rant over...) So, to get around it they came up with a theory that worked fine for the movie's universe. Cyclops really did get the shaft, though :-) The film did look rushed in some parts, but I'm not going to blame the director or FX house for that entirely -- that needs to be laid at the feet of the studio for their insane schedule. So, what do I take away from the film? I enjoyed it, I'll watch it again on DVD, Ratner showed that he's a competent director, certainly no worse than Singer was for his first X-film (and I mean that solely in the sense of directing a big-budget, FX-driven studio flick) and I'm happy enough with what I paid to see last night. I thought the film worked fine IN IT'S OWN UNIVERSE. Oh, and did everyone else have cheers for the Snakes on a Plane trailer that played before the movie? Damn, that looks like fun :-)
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and I agree totally... I know I have shit in my library that my friends give me shit about, and whatever, that's cool. There's a lot of grey area in taste, that's true. But EVERYONE has a few things that are very black and white for them when it comes to taste, and I'm not going to let those same people give me shit about out of the few things I will be adamant about, taste-wise.
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for all the fanboys who came out to support jean luc picard and frasier!
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Expect a regular release most likely in October/November, probably followed by an extended edition with another 20 - 30 minutes of footage a few months later to sop up some more cash. 99% of the folks posting here (lovers and haters) will buy it I'll bet or at least download next month when a quality copy is on the net. Seriously doubt there'll be a sequel. There'll be a Wolvie movie churned out before Jackman is too long in the tooth, maybe two, and probably a TV series featuring younger X-Men, new teachers, a couple of recast roles (no Wolvie, the license will be tied up for the movie, but maybe Storm as headmistress, Iceman, Rogue, and Kitty), new baddies, and so-so level effects. Now, that's how you milk a franchise.
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I've got an uninterrupted run of Uncanny X-Men that I've been buying for the past 20 years but I liked the movie so I guess that makes me a poser. And lets be honest about the deaths here. There were 3 big ones. One of them comes back to life after the credits, the other one is named Phoenix (do you really thinks she'll stay dead?) and the other one we never actually saw die and we never actually saw the body. Do you really think he's dead? Do you really think he won't be showing up again? Have you people EVER read a comic book? No body = no death. And killing off the most boring, wooden, stiff member of the team is hardly a loss anyway so if he doesn't come back, I won't be losing any sleep over it.
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Didn't anyone pay attention to Jean's first convo with Wolverine, or were y'all too busy staring at the underwear? She used the word 'again', people. That indicates she killed before. Unless she killed someone else between Cyclops and Logan's appearance, she had to mean Scott.
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You are an intellectual snob and fanboy. You said I could say it! And let me start out by saying that I liked this film but did not love it. Had a great time watching it but afterwards it wasn't like I left the theatre high-fiving the guy next to me. Still, $44 mil. is the third highest grossing day for a film EVER and the second highest day EVER. Yeah the prodcers promoted the SHIT out of this film, yeah it had a built-in fanbase, yeah it was the 3rd in the franchise. But it out-grossed the last two Harry Potter's opening days and almost made as much as Fantastic Four's opening weekend in its first day (which was equally hyped) while THE DA VINCI CODE was in its second weekend. For the third film in a series to be this strong is pretty amazing - I mean hell it surprised me. I just don't think you can chalk that up to stars appearing on Cold Pizza and a built-in fanbase. Clearly something more is going on here - and yeah it may have NOTHING to do with the quality of the film - but this is an undeniably HUGE take. And the good news is there will be, in all likelihood, an X4 now and maybe next time they can make a movie that you like but will probably have a crap opening weekend. :P
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Why Skip Bayless is given any outlet to vent his stupidity is beyond me.
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That is what this post is going to be an "opinion", the same thing that every person on this site posts. Sometimes I think people lose site of that. No one on this site is the gospel creator of movies, and should never be viewed as such. It is all a man or woman's opinion.
Now on to X3:
Like many before me, I liked the movie, quite a bit actually. Also, I found problems with the movie, but no more than just about any movie that is made, even the very good ones. Yes, more time should have been spent on Cyclops death. But in a way it made sense. He had already distanced himself from the rest of the X-Men, so it only stands to reason a little that more distance would be put into his death. He was after all only a footnote the way the story was written. Yes minor things like the darkness at the bridge and Angel getting cross-country were not explained, but since when does ANY movie explain every little intricate detail of the action. They don't. It's real simple people, use your imagination. That is what a part of movies are about.
Of course the major complaint that everyone has is the "Phoenix Saga" story line. I am a comic book geek. But I am also a realistic movie fan. First off, in the comics remember, there was a Phoenix Saga and a Dark Phoenix Saga. Think about how long a movie would have to be to cover all that material. Yes it would be incredible to see, but it would never happen. When a comic book is transferred into a movie, something will always have to change. It has happened in every comic adaptation. Movies have to be made for the general public, and are made to be enjoyable. That is exactly what X3 is, a very enjoyable movie. The action sequences were intense and well filmed. The story line did make sense with the characters. Yes Magneto did want to do the same thing in the first X-Men by turning humans into mutants. You must remember that this is a man that went through 2 separate times of complete bigotry and hatred. As a boy in WWII and then again as a mutant. His thoughts and actions are under the control of his emotions, so whatever he does is going to make sense to him. Even when he realizes her made a mistake, like with Jean at the end.
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Every time I decide to write my own review of the film I come across someone who expressed my exact sentiments. NivekJ got it exactly right - this was a decent film that had its moments. And that hurts almost as much as if it had been the unmitigated disaster we feared it would be. But considering the Herculean task they had to do - to go from a near 0 point to debut in 14 months, they did a decent job. I wanted a classic though.
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...drop both "Batman Begins" and "Generation Dumbass" in consecutive posts. Shocker.
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Here's a lil hint to help your guess work. http://media.putfile.com/moontrip But I'm only here for about 2 more weeks then I'm in hollywood. gunna check that place out. Maybe Join the line for Superman Returns I think too. Should be fun.
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That was a surprise. Quite a lot of folk laughed at that bit, at the showing i was at. I hope they gave those youtube jocks a writing credit(I didn't stay for the end credits. I forgot about the extra bit). I think X3 was ok. I'm no massive fan of the comics or the films, but that was decent. Could've been better but coulda been a lot worse. When Wolverine came out of the mansion at the end, feeling all pleased with himself, it looked like he was going to say "Somedays i have the best job in the world!", like Jeff Rosso from Freaks & Geeks.
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I wasn't sure how I felt about the movie when I walked out of it, but I was sure that I liked it. In retrospect, I think that this may be the best of the three X-Men movies (despite the wretchedly awful Halle Berry). This isn't the best comic book movie to come out yet, but it certainly feels like the most authentic. It didn't pull any punches, and the third act is the best rendition yet of the epic super team vs. super team battles so prevalent in the comics. And just like the comics, this movie wasn't afraid to kill of or remake its main characters. Ok, so they messed with the canon of the comics... yeah, if you can possibly look past that, fanboys, you'll see that this is a great, great film, and a great way to end the trilogy.
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Couldn't he have just stabbed her with a cure shot? Maybe hiding it in has back pocket or forehead - since those places didn't 'Ash' when he was walking toward her?
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Thank god I didn't pay money, and got to see it due to a "walk in special". Egads. That movie was mediocre at best.
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They could have given Storm a mohawk and a costume that resembled Halle's Catwoman suit, they could have replaced Warren's wings with ugly mechanical things and coloured his skin blue, they could have given Kitty a pet dragon, have a crew of space pirates rescue Scott by beaming him aboard thair starship (and the Captain just happens to be his long-lost father), have Xavier date an alien queen bird-woman, have Scott meet and marry a woman who was an indentical twin for Jean, find Jean in an underwater coccoon and discover she was never Phoenix after all, have all the charachters presumed dead form a super-team in England and for years neither group in the States or UK know the other is alive, have about six or seven alternate timelines/dimensions going on with characters going back and forth so often nobody can keep straight which version is really "real", and wrap the whole thing up by having an Ultimate Mutant transform Magneto and his crew into babies.
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that crappy generation x tv movie fox put out all those years ago...why settle for mediocrity? i mean my god, don't we get enough of that? is it wrong to expect a great x-men flick with proper characterization? i'm still waiting...at least i got astonishing x-men to read.
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Yeah, the later incarnations suck. But the original X-Babies in Uncanny X-men Annual #10 ruled.
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... then that's where we'll leave it. If you feel my liking the movie makes me inferior in some way, then so be it.
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Now I know you're not South African or Australian, you're not even from Earth you are Ben-Gibbs of the Kree!
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I liked the film, but I didn't love it. Most of the problems with the movie seem to stem from a rushed schedule. The SFX for the Beast's acrobatics are reduced to a few wire-fu shots. Let's swing Kelsey from Point A to Point B and have him grab a pole. He should have been zipping around like Nightcrawler, but without the "BAMF!". The Dark Phoenix Story is reduced for the movie to the point that Jean returns from apparent death as a very cranky bipolarish schizophrenic kind of gal who tends to make things float around in very small pieces. Obviously, there was a serious change in thought as to the direction of Jean Grey's character from X2 to X3. What was the last shot in X2? Wasn't it a reflection on the lake of a flaming bird in flight? A big Nudge-Nudge-Elbow-In-The-Side that in the next movie Jean would be back as the Dark Phoenix and the world was going to have to deal with Her? In this movie she's just one of the side plots. Not the central one. She just bumps people off when she's cranky. She's always cranky. That's probably the worst stuff for me. There are others. They aren't as glaring, but add up to me just liking the movie. It was nice seeing the gang together one last time. They could have made more movies, but some one had to rush it. Thank you, Rothman. Asshole.
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A bit bigger drop than I was expecting...
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I dont see what all the objections are about. It looks like a direct sequel to the second movie and a final end to the "conflicting philosophies" plot thats been going on throughout the first and second movies. The story/script seemed to be of the same quality as the first movies, and the effects were obviously much better in this flick. The only way Harry and others could possibly have disliked this movie is due to either an intense dislike of a cinematic translation from comic books or because they feel that these movies were "Singer's babies" and should have been left in his hands. Considering how bastardized the previous movies were, I cant imagine this being the reason, therefore, I'm left with the second conclusion. This is an irational fear, however, since the direction of X3 fits seamlessly with the prior movies. If you didnt like the previous movies, you wont like this one; if you hated the previous movies, you'll love X3. Unless, that is, if you are either irrational or duplicitous.
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were much better fight scenes. Wolverine, Beast, and Pyro. Should've had a Juggarnaut v. Colossus battle though. I did like how they pushed the PG-13 rating.
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Prejudice. Simple prejudice. The production was rushed, we lost Singer, there are too many characters... three things that were said repeatedly before this movie aired as to why it was GOING to suck. Things I said as well, and many times. I fully expected a big pile of suck when I walked into the theatre. Didn't happen, thank Hera. But it could be part of the explanation of why there is so much negativity AFTER the movie. Pride as well. Pride and Prejudice. Another explanation is that, like politics, there is a lot of negative campaigning going on to make another project look better... ???
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aintitcool.com, however, is not.
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Saw it twice already. I like it more than the other two. I think it has the best plot of all of them and, unlike the other, the deaths shocked me. Although the one mutant who took the cure, I can understand why. Her power is really a curse. Good movie. I'll most likely see it a 3rd time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis-----------THIS IS NOT ABOUT SINGER, not liking X3 is not dependant on liking Singer as the director either---------I thought X1 was okay: it was thrilling to see these characters finally hit the big screen, in spite of the flaws in the story and effects. X2 was very good-it still had problems, but it felt like an "epic" was taking form; that X3 would surely be the best of the bunch-----------It wasn't...Was it a pile of turd? No. But it was simply average. It didn't raise the bar at all on the franchise...---------the truly sad thing is that IF this movie continues to perform well, are we going to see Ratner (an average director at best) direct the fouth installment? Or will Ratner direct the Wolverine movies? For me, that is the scary thing-------------its just like T3: Mostow is a competent director-he's not a visionary. If supporters of X3 are happy having a middling director charting the course of their favorite characters, then so be it.---------for myself, I wish for some director with panache, with vision...I want a movie where I am jacked to see what the director has done; not a movie where its simply a "caretaker" director.
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were of course "imaginary" (like any of this is real?) but the Baby Brotherhood I mentioned (along with all the other wacky plot devices) in my post were actually part of "official" Marvel continuity. Alpha the Ultimate Mutant regressed Magneto and co. to infanthood in a 1974 issue of the Defenders. The effect was temporary, in Mageto's case the evil Shi'ar emperor disguised as Scott's one-time alter ego Eric the Red restored him (Magneto) to adulthood at an age decades younger than his previous form. Thus Magneto although an elderly man appears as if in the prime of life. My whole point on all this is that Marvel's "real" plotlines over the years have often been far sillier than anything in this film, and if adapted literally would have been more appropriate for the director of Rush Hour. Another favourite moment of X-Men loopiness, remember when Storm became the Bride of Dracula?
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Not to get racialist or anything.
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The Theory of Pants Conservation is finally disproved in the recent Ultimate Wolverine Vs. Hulk #2. Conclusively, if the Hulk is blown skyward by a ground-zero one-megaton nuclear blast, his pants disappear, although he is always tastefully posed to the theoretical bystander.
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I've not commented on the whole Ratner-is-a-hack-yes-man thing, as I've no opinion. But -- is it possible that a director is not bound by what he has done before? That he can get better with experience? I think Ratner's made it to non-hackdom with this flick, now that I've seen his work. good job.
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I think it left out some important things from X2. Where's Nightcrawler? (I know the videogame, but no cameo as he departs?). What about the ramifications of Xavier nearly killing every human in the world? (Which was the coolest thing about X2.) The president gets attacked by mutants so they allow one (Hank) to hang out with them and all their secret meetings? Trask but no Sentinels? To me it felt like we skipped a film between this and X2.
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There are two things I love when it comes to movies- Rotten Tomatoes.com and Aint It Cool News. I read nearly every review from the meaningless, pretentious critics i've never heard of to the biggies.
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I knew somebody was gonna give me shit about that line about "accepting a certain amount of stupidity." I'd rather a movie be air-tight smart most of the time, but my point is that the X-Men pictures never have been. You liked part 2, right? So why didn't Mystique being able to convince the world that a dead senator was still alive ruin the movie for you? Because you were willing to accept a certain amount of stupidity, just like I was. That's all I'm saying. What I like about all these movies is the character moments. Wolverine is a little cooler in the first two, Mystique is equally cool in all three. I love the nemesis/colleague relationship between X and Magneto, which continues beautifully in this one. I like that the bad guys have a valid point, which is even more the case in this one. I like the little twists and surprises that happen to various characters that we have been watching throughout the three movies. I like how the status quo is changed but they leave hope that, for example, Magneto could build his way back up over time. You asked what people liked in the movie but then you point out why they are wrong (Beast was the wrong color of blue?!). Well that's not very polite man, they're just answering your question. anyway have a good one.
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"Stupid kids. What do they know about what we like?"
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http://tinyurl.com/nxwn8 . Now let's see how they do next weekend.
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A delicious, concise sum up of the movie by Walter Chaw, Film Freak Central.
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This was the most ENTERTAINING of the trilogy, but Ill never be able to bring myself to watch it again... let alone buy the DVD. There are so many other MUCH BETTER superhero movies out there (Spiderman, for instance)and X-Men dosnt even try to reach that level of high story telling. But hey, some people like the Mission Impossible movies, so what do I know.
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I'm not getting the part where you're any different from those other people who are wasting negative energy on a movie.
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You gotta include Monday.
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that's if you like endless mind-numbingly boring chick flick dialogue interrupted by the occasional cornball action sequence. I've watched those dvd's once each. I'm all for character development, but Sam made it slow as molasses. blah. ("blah"=worse than "meh")
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45 mil friday... thought it could have gotten 130 mil, but dropped 30% saturday, and over 10% sunday. this will lose it's audience likely, but it's still made so much this far that it should be able to pull in 200-250 mil.
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and then, when i explained the full pheonix story to her she looked at me quizically and said that it sounded dumb.
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That scene of her blowing doors away in her hotpants is enough reason to PROVE that people that hated this movie are sexually confused. Other than that--44 million huh--doesn't prove it's on par with Michelangelo's work, but does guarantee a sequel (just a hollywood reality, sorry). Over the next days and weeks too, the multi-millions it will generate from repeat viewings is consensus that this movie did not suck. Sure, some people hated it--too bad they contributed to the 44 million it made...do you find it unfair that you can't get your money back, and that your vote of $9 does more to convince the studio heads that they were right, than your well-intentioned whiney-geeky-anti-ratner-rants can? It's funny. Cut your losses, have a beer and cheat on your wife.
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I am sick of talkbackers tearing Harry a new one every time he voices his opinion. This is HARRY's site and more than anyone else on this site, he is entitled to his opinion. I respect his views on this film, but I don't agree with them. In fact, Harry is my exact geek opposite and I almost never agree with any of his opinions - but I read them anyway because I enjoy his take on things. If you don't like his take - don't read his reviews. Show some respect - you are guests on his property. Quit being Magnetos.
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i'm not a retard, i knew you weren't agreeing with me...i just wrote it to say it, no context whatsoever...plus i actually didn't mean to compare generation x (awful) with x3 (meh,sighs,dissapointed)...just throwing some randoms dialogue in this here tb...i only seized the qoute so i can now hold myself almost to level of mori since his review is being used on x3 marketing right now...now if i get to be qouted by that marketing machine at fox, then i can look at my opinion being the one that matters since fox says so...anyway...when do they reboot this franchise and start it proper? cuz this last stand was limp...in fact,i'm pretty sure there was laying down. where was nightcrawler indeed?
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...A summer blockbluster made a lot of money!!! This means the movie DOESN'T suck! Cause, like, people went to see it ...and they wouldn't have, if it didn't suck ...so, it just doesn't suck ...it doesn't! You hear me!! IT-DOESN'T-SUCK!!! My taste in movies has been confirmed! I said I'd like it before seeing it, and that it would rule, and, it does ...so THERE! HA-HA-HA!!! You whining FANBOYS don't know ANYTHING! Cause all those people went to see it! The people went to see it, like me ...we all went to see it. Badasss! BADASS!! Hot. Really HOT! Claws! FUN. Explosions! BOOM!!! YAY! Pretty colors! Leather. LEATHER! LLLLLLEEEEEAAAAATTTTTTHHHHHEEEEEERRRRRR!!!
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Cerebulon, I think you should consider the ramifications of that statement. EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion EQUALLY. Yes, this is Harry's site, and God bless him for starting it, but that does not mean his opinion counts more than anyone else's. I think the concern that people have with this particular film's reviews is that some people seemed so pre-disposed to hate this film because of 1) Rattner and 2) alteration of comic canon. I don't have a problem with someone disliking this film for reason #2, but reason #1 doesn't work for me. The question isn't whether someone's opinion is right or wrong, an opinion is an opinion. The question is whether their reasons for holding that opinion are valid, and that is where the debate lies. Personally, this is my favorite X-Men film (I've seen it twice already), but then again I have no hatred of Rattner and no comic knowledge to bring to the table.
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I bet there isn't one regret at Fox now. This whole pump it out to beat Singer's Superman paid off. Fox won. They rushed their movie but it turned out to be ok and now is what like number 3 for opening weekends ever? Good for Fox they pulled this off. (financially) Sad day for Singer and everyone involved in Superman. They have a little movie called Pirates 6 days after they open and in my opinion have no chance to set BIG records like X3. Superman will do great money wise but not X3 great.
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You know what?.........................Aw, who gives a fuck? Can't win with you fanboys because if the opinion doesn't match yours, the other person is an "idiot". Just can't have discussions here at AICN. X3 isn't perfection. It isn't X2. It isn't the movie it could have been... but in many of our opinions here, it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Naysayers of this film probably loved the Spider-Man movies, which I think are overrated tremendously, especially in hindsight. But you like 'em and that's fine. It's fun to watch people get so riled up about this shit. Fun and a bit sad.
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Of course, to use a sports cliche, everyone should play the ball not the man - including Harry. But using your logic, will Harry now decline to offer criticism where he feels criticism is due if he's ever gone on a set visit, press junket, attended a screening and produce his receipt for the ticket? Wouldn't that be an abuse of hospitality too? I think Harry's big enough and tough enough to accept that if he's going to go out and be provocative - and not only open a talkback but say (quote) "Please feel free to vent, praise, scream and hail the film as you will" - he's not going to turn into a whiny punk bitch when he gets exactly what he's asking for.
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Sorry, that should read "attended a screening and CAN'T produce his receipt for the ticket?"
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That SO has nothing even remotely to do with what I was talking about. The point you seemed to be trying to make, and the point that I take issue with, is that making a comic book movie that will please comic book geeks is a sure path to box office death, and that is simply not true. Obviously, this isn't true for everyone, but the majority of my comic geek friends adored the Spider-man movies, and they were huge hits. The point I was trying to make is that it is perfectly possible to make a huge summer blockbuster about a comic character that will have mass appeal and still please the geeks. I'm not talking about showing rigid devotion to the existing stories. I am talking about showing even the most basic respect for the spirit, if not the letter, of the mythology. And no, I don't think the Dark Phoenix saga could have been done as written, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have been done well. Preferably stretched over two movies the way it was originally planned.
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Ok, it's a bit different from the comics, but if you just take the films as there own thing it's not so bad. Otherwise, things like how Wolverine acts and having him a full foot and a half taller than Storm will bug the fuck out of ya. Thank you Harry though for lowering my expectations signifigantly so I was able to somewhat enjoy it. I thought the effects were pretty decent for the most part, and the dialog certainly wasn't any worse than the previous movies. Killing Cyclops was lame though, because the cynical part of me thinks it was either because Berry and Jackman didn't want to share any more screentime with some B list star (because of Cyclops connection with Jean, he would have had to have played a bigger role), or they were just dissing him in retaliation for being in the Superman movie. Anyway, my expectations for this series is still pretty low now - my dream though would be a spin-off series with "The New Mutants" (or whatever they want to call it) based on the classic Claremont/Sienkievich run, written and directed by JW. Warlock would rock as a screen character.
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...and it's because of the early geek doomsayers' predictions that this would die at the box office. I want it to be good (still haven't seen it) but I guarantee you that in light of its initial success, Fox has given the go-ahead for the Alien vs Predator vs K-Mart movie. Braying anal geek know-it-alls have in regard to X3 shown how utterly toothless and niched they are, thus in one fell swoop undoing all the anal geek know-it-all braying about Fox's AvP2 script. The Geek Nation has de-fanged itself. We suck.
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I wasn't specifically talking to you, although you were the one who happened to mention Citizen Kane as an example. What I was really complaining about is the people who, when a comic book geek complains that a movie was stupid, respond with "Yeah, so? It's a comic book movie, what do you want?" The answer is simply "We want a better movie." Excusing the flaws of a comic book movie because it comes from a comic book is insulting to comic books AND to movies. It's like grading a test and seeing that the person earned a C on it, but then deciding "Oh, he must just be stupid. He tried as hard as he could, so he deserves an A." I don't mind that you said that X3 wasn't "Citzen fucking Kane", because it wasn't. The people I take issue with are the people who think that the reason it wasn't "Citizen fucking Kane" is because it was based on a comic book. The reason it wasn't "Citizen fucking Kane" is because it was a mediocre movie. Period. There is absolutely no reason why a comic book movie cannot reach "a level of achievement very few film-makers even aspire to, let alone achieve." There is also no reason why comic book geeks shouldn't want this to happen. And there is especially no reason why comic book geeks should be made fun of for wanting this to happen. As I said, my post was not strictly in response to yours, but I don't really feel like digging through the pages and pages of posts to find whichever one set me off. Don't take this as a personal attack on you.
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The question nobody is asking Harry....................
by cotton mcknight
is, if Bryan Singer made a film where the same thing happens to the Phoenix, would he be complaining? I doubt it. Then it would be about "bold moves" and "the vision of the artist" and blah blah blah. In other words, Harry has too many prejudices to keep it from giving the movie a fair chance. Myself, I really enjoyed it. But I MUST see it again so I can watch this ending everyone talks about.
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Sin City is the most faithful comic book movie that will probably ever exist, and was not as big of a hit. Some people here say that Daredevil is one of the most faithful comic book movies, and that was not a hit. Hellboy made some changes but mostly stayed true to the comics, and that was only a modest hit and seems to be having trouble getting the (highly anticipated by me) sequel off the ground. Personally, I don't really think the "faithful or not faithful" qualification is as important of a factor as most people seem to think it is. For those of us who read the comics it can be a distraction. For example, I loved Batman Begins but unlike normal people I had to contend with feelings about Batman not being a good enough detective and not understanding Lucius Fox's science terms. So unfortunately my nerd side made me more picky but it doesn't change the fact that it's a great movie. I think there are some comics that improve on their source material - most notably A History of Violence and to a lesser extent The Crow. There are movies that are unfaithful that make you wonder why they hell they didn't just call it something else (A League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell, Catwoman, Batman and Robin) but those also happen to be terrible movies for other reasons separate from the comics. There are also movies that are complete bastardizations of the comics that are still pretty good (Constantine comes to mind) and ones that are semi-faithful but terrible (Daredevil, Spawn). Sin City is the most interesting case because I think its literal depiction of the drawings disproves the old theory that more faithful automatically equals better. As a fan of the books I enjoyed seeing those images moving around on a screen, but I also thought it was to the movie's detriment. If it had looked real or film noir you might get the feel of reading the books, but because they were slavishly trying to recreate drawings it's all about style and feels completely fake from top to bottom. Your mileage may vary. In conclusion, it's nice for filmmakers to try to respect the comics, but it's not the only or even the most important factor in making a good comic book movie.
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I found myself really dissappointed with the film. It was a decent watch during a friday night but I was completely underwhelmed. I honestly don't know what to say about this summer's movies. Last summer was way more satisfying with Spielberg, Lucas, Nolan etc...
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I'll definitely see it. I just had too many prior engagements this weekend. I don't think the problem is complaining about things in movies (even before they come out) but rather making broad predictions about a film tanking or alienating audiences. Studios making summer blockbusters are interested in one thing only, which is money. Up to a point I think geek opinion is/was feared as long as the results could be seen or guessed at. It's one thing to project one's tastes and decry deviations from one canon or another, and something else entirely to make B.O. predictions based on that. It may have worked for a while, but I think the studios aren't as gunshy as they were before when it comes to online geeks. As for the JJ Abrams script, I think that if it had been written a year or two from now, no amount of geek wailing about its atrociousness would deter Warner from shooting it. I believe that we're rapidly approaching that point because of, for want of a better term, geek hubris. Each blockbuster panned sight unseen by geeks and later making bank will most likely ensure some as yet unimagined celluloid horrors in the future.
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was the budget really that big for the film? doesn't that make this the most expensive film released so far (i know superman and spidey 3 exceed that.) is that true? why so much? it had tons of effects, but still.... maybe the opening scene, maybe the rushed effort. anybody know if it really was 210?
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Thanks for the response bud. I see what you're saying, I just don't at all see the huge drop in quality between 2 and 3. But obviously alot of people think so, it's not just you. About the symbolism, yes I think he is pretty much all symbolism, but no I don't think that's a bad thing to do in a movie. He's one of many minor characters. His screen time probaly adds up to less than 10 minutes. I admire the economy and use of imagery to get that across so simply. The symbolism of the wings is much simpler, more powerful and more cinematic than whatever they would've had to do to do the same storyline with Rogue and her gloves. But to me that's such a small part of the movie I would rather talk about this bridge. I have to stand behind the parting the Red Sea comparison. No it doesn't serve the same purpose as it did in the Bible but clearly it is meant as that type of awe inspiring image and would have a similar meaning to these mutants who are fighting for their safety from being "cured." And by the way, if there wasn't an awesome set piece, you would be complaining that there wasn't. If you weren't, I would be. And let's not forget that he was leading a hundred or two other mutants to Alcatraz too, which is the practical purpose of the bridge. He's not gonna carry all of them on flying metal balls. Anyway thanks Coo Guy.
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It was even better the 2nd time. Eat it.
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So, it's not clearly Xavier lying on the hospital bed but you can hear his voice? Remember in one scene he discusses this poor fellow who has no higher brain functions, with his students, and the ethics involved when considering transplanting somebody's subconscious or some such thing into his body? Is it possible that this is who we saw lying on the hospital bed at the end and that Xavier lives on within him?!?
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I agree with WolfmanNards: I enjoyed it more on second viewing. Somehow, it seemed to move a little slower. Hoping for an ICEMAN (fully iced up, of course) spin-off!
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I didn't even think this point was open to debate. That is definitely what happened. It is also a perfect example of one of the movie's biggest flaws; lazy scriptwriting. That one scene in the beginning where he explains the higher brain functions is jarring and out of place, and it left everybody in my group going "what was that all about?!" Then, at the end, we realized that the only purpose of the scene was to allow the credit cookie to make sense. Movies do this kind of thing all the time, but they are usually a lot better at layering the exposition into scenes that have other merits. What this movie basically did was have Xavier, completely out of the blue, say "Hey, by the way, if my body is ever destroyed, I can take over somebody else's." There are plenty of ways that this information could have been shown or hinted at rather than just dropped in our laps. It didn't even need to be shown. If there isn't going to be a sequel, why bring him back? If there is, why not have the explanation happen in the sequel? Look at Gandalf in LotR for a better example of how to do this.
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...is kicking ass and taking names? Aisde from initial jitters over Ratner and the script review, the movie had largely positive buzz and a devoted fanbase backing it to the hilt. Its odds of failure were non-existent. SR, on the other hand, has been roundly hated from a minute it was made clear Tom Welling wasn't going to change his mind about playing the adult Superman and has worse buzz than GIGLI and BATTLEFIELD EARTH combined. X3 had almost everything in its corner from the start and only suffered maybe a couple mild hiccups along the way. The "Fox vs. Singer = Fox won" assessment is 100% dead on. They proved X-MEN could thrive with new management and in a fraction of the time it's taking Singer to embarrass himself with a miscast, sloppy melange of the old Superman movies and Looney Tunes. SR is DOA and everyone knows it. X3 dealt the first fatal blow, and POTC 2 is going to deliver the coup de grace. And I think I owe Brett Ratner an apology. I took him to task for supporting the shitty Abrams SR script, but to step into the X-Men series and deliver a movie most everyone seems to love...let's just say I've got newfound respect for him. Given good material to work with, he delivers. I no longer hold him accountable for the train wreck of Superman (which is more of a train wreck now than it's ever been). This looks to be a pretty good summer for Fox after all.
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Very whatever.
I have been waiting to see a giant flaming cosmic bird for what seems like forever. and now I feel as though it will never happen, it's a US Godzilla kind of sadness.
I have figured out a fix
The very experemental cure only forces the x gene into a dormant state, where it continues to mutate silently. So everyone cured ends up getting their powers back only escalating the "class" or level of the mutant's power.
This would allow Rogue to be "super" Rogue, like in the books minus the Carol Daverns plotline.
Magneto would be even more godlike humbled by his experience and become the Headmaster of the School (like in the 80s)
Mystique would join the X-Men
Phoenix would be in a cocoon becoming double Dark Phoenix:) This would of course bring about the 76 trans am hood visuals I desired so.
But if I were the Beyonder:
Takashi Mike directs WOLVERINE in TOKYO
That and a bunch of things that involve Selma Hayek, oh and Slayer playing my birthday party.
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so some blowhard assbags on this site will trash me and call me a moron and act like they are the greatest filmmakers of all-time, not some jackass sitting at home at their computer ranting and shitting on everything because they are jealous of filmmakers who have accomplished something. If you look at almost every talkback on this site, they are almost always negative overall. Get over yourselves and stop bitching just because you can type.
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I disagree. The first time I saw it, with no knowledge of the credit cookie, I thought it was an interesting question that served as a good example of what Xavier was talking about. It was totally in character for him--asking the larger ethical questions about mutants and their powers that Magneto never bothered with. Having the lecture then interrupted in a rather dramatic way seemed to make sense. It was like, "OK...we're getting on with our lives as normal. Back to the business at ha...what the hell was that?!"
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Awww, Come on, it wasn't way too out of place, it was after all an ethics class and it at least reminded us that he was a teacher and not just some leader of a mysterious group of superheros. I think that it's kind of a neat explanation and at least if there is a sequel it shouldn't get too bogged down by him giving every second person an account of how he survived. The scene kind of reminded me of when he read an extract of the Once and Future King to his class in one of the previous instalments.
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I have a lot of comics dude, MANY have an X in there name, some I'm not to proud of....
(what the fuck did I need X-Terminators for anyway?) Than there are toys and all kinds of crap, So thats alot of scrilla.
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Unless there were an HBO-Rome-Carnivale-quality, long running TV series that accurately portrayed the X-Men in their environs (and I would be watching such a series, believe you me), it simply isn't in the cards for people to get what they want in filmed entertainment. Times have changed. But stop telling us Bryan Singer would have made a better film - he's creaky. Ratner's no auteur but he made a solid film that had PLENTY of enjoyable moments. If you haven't donated to the opening weekend's $107mil, do it.
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not as many people trashing the film. Its not as good as X2, but it is an entertaining, solid film.
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At least not with all of the current cast, in this continuity (and thank god, because they've destroyed it beyond all recognition by now).
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/
But here's the meaty part: "The real problem, said executives at Fox and elsewhere, is the percentage of box office revenues that these stars now command. 'At an over-$100 million budget, the talent is making $60 million before the studio can recoup its costs,' said a senior Fox executive. 'The economics on it make no sense.' Mr. Roach and executives on the project noted that, to win the studio's green light, Mr. Roach and the stars of Used Guys had already sharply cut both their upfront fees and their expected participation in revenue. Even so, executives said, the compromise meant that the three principals would take 27 percent of the studio's gross box-office revenues." Congrats, moguls, for finally growing big swingin' cojones.
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For vfx, it was nominated that year.
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Okay, I can agree with the Warren idealism. I see now where you're coming from, with dealing with him as just a minor character. Admittedly, my beef with him may not just be his symbolism. In the books his role is much, much bigger and he is more of an important character then he is in the film. I supposed, deep down, that's where my bigger beef falls.
As for Magneto, well, I see what you're saying in regards to carrying many mutants across. A nice bridge to help that gap would have been great. Maybe the end was just rushed for me and I didn't feel the bridge was a necessity. Or maybe it was that I remember the trailers for the film depicting the scene as the destruction/huge bridge fight - not it being lifted to a new placement (wasn't there a shot of Wolvie standing there and behind him the bridge being blown up in the trailers?).
I have been debating seeing it again, to see if I still feel as letdown - but I'm just not sure. Perhaps I will pay to see Over The Hedge and sneak into X3 after:)
And no, I don't need a "big set piece movie":) While I enjoy my big budget action movies (I've seen MI3, Poseidon this year + own hundreds of dvds), I still know how to enjoy those without and would never get upset if it didn't contain a "huge set piece" (ie, 3 Iron, Tape, any Kevin Smith film...etc)
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I don't feel anywhere near as strongly against or for this film as some of you. I actually rather enjoyed it, but I think some people here are just getting their rocks off by attacking Harry. The man's entitled to hate this picture, nevertheless he's actually recommended it to people he knew would enjoy watching it. I dug a lot of this film, but I know it could have been better. I thank the movie gods because it could have been so much worse. I refuse to say that those who love this movie are "right" and those who hate it are "wrong" even though I guess I fall more towards the former category.
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It could take place way before Xmen. That way he would not have to be portrayed as such an emo pussy. They could acyually make him a scary fucking psycho like he is.
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I didn't get up to pee or anything, stayed all the way to the post-credit sequence, but I didn't see Gambit at all. It must have been so quick I missed it when I blinked, or they portrayed him in a way that was unrecognisable to me. Could someone clue me in as to where Gambit is in this picture?
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I've never read an X-Men comic so I can only judge it as a movie. Now, looking at the movie and nothing else, I thought it was entertaining but also bad at using certain characters. Jean had what seemed like unlimited power but stands around for most of the big battle, than Wolverine kills her easily with his claws. Why not use the cure on her? Also Scott's death being offscreen was lame. He and Jean had a relationship over two movies and backstory before that which was wiped out with no one seeing it. I thought the movie was ok but don't blame any comic movie for trying to be its own thing instead of a comic clone. It wasn't a great movie for movie reasons alone.
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I think we should all stop bashing one another. Yeah there are some who can't separate comics from live action. i think people need to stop and look how massivly exspensive a true to form DP saga on the big scrren would be. The X films independentaly hasn't earned a massive world shattering box office where 250 million is going to spent on a true to the comics movie. i think Ratner and Singer both did a good job of adapting the movie from the comics. Both have their high points. Singer and Company in my opinion gave better dialogue, while ratner owned on the action. I wish the movie had been a lil longer to flush out some of the characters more. I think FOX although i hate that they rushed this movie did a decent enough job to please both fans and non fans alike. I just hope they don't try this shyt again with the rushed production. Harry himself is just to imursed in the comic world along with bashing a film for reasons only known to him. No one fan really thought that we were goingto get he Mkraan Crystal, starjammers, The Shiar and the space battles and moon battles? I think X3 worked out well. it was aflawed movie no doubt, but not one i didn't enjoy.
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Ok, that's a fair and reasonable response - but as I said, I've not really been that impressed with any of the films. My areas of concentrated geekdom are Jane Austen and classics (which I majored in at university) - and I really didn't like last year's 'Pride and Prejudice' or 'Troy'. They could have been a lot better by any standard. All the same, I can understand why friends found both movies entirely acceptable as vacuous eye-candy that wasn't intended to satisfy Janeites or Homer-geeks. (And even I'll admit I wouldn't call the cops on Pitt, Eric Banna and Orlando Bloom if they came knocking on my bedroom door. Ditto for Keira Knightley if I swung the other way.)
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I thought the ending was a nice homage to the first one
by cotton mcknight
The first one ends with Magneto playing chess with Xavier, knocking over a plastic piece because he has no power. The last one ends with him playing chess by himself, powerless, but wait.. he is able to knock a piece over without touching it. Anybody see if it was the same piece?
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the characters you invested in and were so well written by Singer and his people were just shortchanged in this one. The whole movie felt like a bunch of barely jointed cut scenes. The action was good but it just felt empty. The story felt rushed and plot lines that were raised were just dropped with no explaination at all.
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Is that you KalElFan? I hope so. Anyway buddy just wanted to say you should stop reading about Superman Returns. To me it's a movie coming out that looks like it could be good. To you it is a 24 hour obsession that is ruining your life. Otherwise there's no way you could've known all that useless trivia you mentioned and come up with nutty theories like "America doesn't want to see a Superman movie unless it stars the kid from a shitty tv show that teenagers used to watch." If you're not gonna like the movie, which seems clear, don't worry about it. Move on. Find something that will bring you joy, like ironing your cape. It is not healthy for moviegoers to start pitting movies and studios against each other like a sports competition. Why do you have to pick either X-Men or Superman? I'm sure many people will like both, many will hate both. Anyway bud get out there and breathe some air. You're gonna like it.
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It finally exposes the irrelevance of this site. Due to being the first kid on the block this site, at one time, had some clout and could affect the success or failure of a movie. But that time has passed and studios are starting to get wise. For all its efforts AICN, in the past year, couldn
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...that all this hate and line-drawing is taking place on the behalf of a movie about tolerance? Probably not.
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Your post makes no sense. Harry hates this movie because it exposes the irrelevance of this site? If he knew it was good and bound for success when he saw it, then all he'd have to do would be to give it a positive review. He had a similar turnaround on 'X-Men' 6 years ago (which went on to gross about $155 million. X3 may have 'pwned' it at the box office, thereby confirming that Brett Ratner and anyone who likes him has a bigger penis than Bryan Singer, but at the time that was a pretty big deal). Did THAT expose the irrelevance of his site? No, it's more likely that Grande Rojo didn't like this movie because he, uhh... how do I put this? Didn't like it.
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... Oh no, the irony is dripping off the screen. Seriously.
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.......your point regarding Harry not liking it would have had more credibility or at least believability if it weren't for the fact that Harry's been telegraphing his hate for this movie for just over a year in advance of its actual release; or just around the same time Singer got off to go do Superman Returns and Ratner was brought in as closer. If people don't believe Harry when he says he doesn't like the movie on its strengths and merits( or more specifically, lack thereof), then Harry has only himself to blame for that, having done close to nothing to hide his disdain for this production and all associated with it from the get go. And the fact that he says that he feels that Moriarty's "giving the movie a pass", simply because he liked it or gave it a positive review, doesn't help vindicate him much nor do tons for his preceived objectivity. Basically, he's allowed to dislike a movie on its demerits, but anyone else liking it for its merits, is giving it a "pass". Right. You may be correct that Harry didn't like it because he.....um....didn't like it; But given his record in pre-judging movies prior to their release, either way over the past year ( FF, Domino, King Kong, this and Supes to come) is it really a surprise that few people now believe him when he says he doesn't like it because he simply doesn't like it?
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No... it's quite possible that he dislikes it for reasons that aren't what you'd call objective. But I think that they still have to do with movies at the end of the day and not the perceived blow to the credibility of his site. Which is why I brought up the original 'X-Men' in the first place; he telegraphed his hate for that movie for at least as long as they broke that scoop with the uniforms, and he had no problem doing a 180 on that one.
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The Xmen Made Their Last Stand. I'm torn with this movie. It was fun and better than the first film but there are so many problems that felt as if the film itself is rushed. One of the worst moments comes from a continuity error. When Magneto moves the Golden Gate bridge to attack the facility it is daytime. Then suddenly it's night time? This is a huge flaw that could have been corrected by a simple scene showing a mutant who's powers include making day to night or something. A terrible continuity error such as suddenly daylight then night is ridiculous. It would be as if your watching Two Towers and when Helms Depp comes on it stopped raining and it was day time when the Uruk Hai attack. Also the scene in the trailers where Wolverine talks to Iceman saying "You go to war you might not come home... she might not come home." Then Iceman says "Hey where not kids anymore." is not in the film. Suddenly the scene shifted to Wolverine and Iceman in sudden agreement to go to Battle as if they've done this a million times. I like the other way better. Colossus is definitely short changed in this film. Storm gets more screen time and Rogue herself is short changed. She misses out on the war completely. In fact her just agreeing to take the cure was not a good one. A better scenario would have had Kitty Pryde and Rogue side by side fighting and then Rogue pulling a Mystique and saving Kitty from being shot with the Cure. Or not even having Rogue take the cure and just befriend Leech and that way whenever she is around Leech she is "cured" thus she can touch and hug and be normal. I mean she makes a choice and we dont see it and in the end she doesn't even kiss Bobby. All that sexual tension and repression and they just hold hands?
Iceman - I wonder what his family would think about the cure. In fact. I would have prefered Bobby's mom and dad coming to the school to take Iceman to get cured. The family trapped in the car should have been The Drakes. That way Pyro could have tried to roast them alive. And it would have made the fight with Pyro better and have more weight. But more on him, Kitty,Rouge later.
Colossus - Not much you could do with his character. You see more of him but way not enough. Colossus and Juggernaught should have had a fight. I'd have liked to see after Juggernaught says "Im the Juggernaught bitch!" Colossus closeline his ass and say "Yeah and I'm Colossus...bitch."
Professor X - They should have had his relationship with Juggernaught developed. In fact take out Dark Pheonix/Jean Gray storyline. Juggernaught and Multiple Man needed to attack the School to kidnapp Professor X. Because the problem with Professor X is if you dont "dispose" of him then there is no fight. He just controls your mind like he did with Sabertooth. Magneto should have built a cell similiar for Multiple Man and Juggernaught. One that can hold Charles ala Carbonite Han Solo. One where his powers are imune. Like in Sky High the Detention Room.
Cyclops - Who? Cyclops got the shit end of the stick for all 3 X movies. This should have been the movie where we see Cyclops take over as a leader. It should have been him who got pissed at Logan in the Danger Room sequence not Storm. My god is he underused in these films. I understand he is still brooding over Jean but come on man Luke Skywalker was sad about losing Obi Wan yet he still needed to destroy the Death Star. The Fellowship was sad they lost Gandalf but Aragorn realized it's time to move on. His line "Not everyone heals as fast as you Logan." Is probably his only line. It's been 3 years and Cyclops is still a brooding bitch? Move on bitch!
Dark Pheonix - This was fine except it had no place in X3. In fact her storyline should have been saved for a Volume 1 - Volume 2 Kill Bill or Kill Jean style storyline. To be released 2007 or 2008 like Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions one in May...one in November. When Professor X dies in this film you know that's a powerful moment that needed to be the end of a Volume 1 and then for Volume 2 we see Cyclops. And HE should have been the one to Kill Jean Grey not Wolverine. In fact his storyline is similiar to Anakin. How would Scott have felt to find out Professor X put mind blocks on her? The scene at Jean Grey's house is a powerful ENDING. It's something that an entire Volume needed to build too. Same with the Death of Jean Grey for Volume 2. Wolverine in this movie is playing 2 roles. He takes on the Cyclops role and his. Cramming her in here feels like scenes from another movie. The only purpose she serves is just to get rid of Charles. Juggernaught could have done that since it is his brother and he is pissed off his own brother would let him spend the rest of his life in prison and not break him out.
Magneto -X3 Should not have been The Last Stand it should have been about the Cure and Magneto finally getting his Brotherhood of Mutants. In this film Ian Mckellen is allowed some memorable scenes. His rescue of Mystique shows you the fury this man can unleash. Magneto is always one step ahead of the Government but here he doesn't seem that much in control. He doesn't need Dark Phoenix at all. In this movie he wants to go after Dark Phoenix as if she is the key to winning the war but she doesn't even fight until the end to which Magneto says "What have I done." This was stupid. Magneto needing Phoenix is like Sidious only needing Vader to complete his goals. Sidious only needed to become Chancelor so he could then authorize the creation of an Army for the Galactic (clones), and exterminate the Jedi for revenge as well as ensuring no one can foce him out of power. It just took 3 movies to do. Building the Death Star and getting Vader is a perk of the job. He only needs it because if the Empire doesn't build one and monopolize it another force will. And if Anakin isn't Vader he has no apprentice and he'll have to kill Anakin. Magneto should have followed a similiar path. The problem he has always had in X1 and X2 is he wants to create a Brotherhood and there are millions of mutants in the world but they have no reason to join. A war has not been waged. Sure there's discrimination but nothing that theatens there lives. Humans dont have anything in X1 or X2 that can exterminate mutants. In X3 they finally do. The Humans have Leech and can cure mutation. Now Magneto has the perfect opportunity to convert Mutants to his brotherhood. Because the only goals Magneto should have had in X3 was to gather his army of mutants to train (which now he has) kidnapp Leech and trap Xavier.Not to involve Dark Pheonix. In X1 Wolverine asks "What's A Magneto?" In X3 that should have been clear to the world. He sends out a video tape after Pyro destroys a Clinic offering the cure. Magneto was more than enough of a villian for X3. Ian Mckellen is an amazing actor and seeing him play second fiddle to Dark Phoenix is sad. His moment where he puts Pyro in his place after insulting Xavier is a great one.
Mystique - She has a moment where she sacrifices herself to save Magneto. This was wrong. If she is going to sacrifice herself for anyone. It is going to be Rogue. Rogue is her daughter and it's discussed here as a throw away line. "My children tried to kill me you ape." To me Mystique is one of the hottest blue looking chicks around. When she tells Kurt in X2 (Nightcrawler) the reason she doesn't hide who she is "Because we shouldn't have too." This is something Rogue needed to hear. Mystique should have tried to talk Rogue out of getting the cure for selfish reasons. Hell she should have sacrificed herself to tell Rogue that no matter what, you have to be who you really are. Also correct me if I'm wrong but Mystique can turn into other mutants and mimic their powers. Why couldn't she turn into Leech? Her character deserved better than to be a whining "I told you I would kill you." stereotype. She even betrays Magneto which given the circumstances made sense but to me this was wrong. Mystique is a queen. Magneto a king. She holds all the cards and to see her sacrifice herself for Magneto is against her code of ethics. Loyalty makes sense but come on? How much more bad ass would it have been if Pyro lost his powers to save Magneto and he said "Your no longer one of us." Then immediately after Magneto would turn to look at Mystique and say "I wonder if your places had been traded would my Queen sacrifice herself for her King?" And Mystique would look him in the eyes and answer truthfully. "Never." And Magneto would smile and say "That's my girl." That's the relationship between these two. They know they are assholes who care about themselves. Mystique is just as powerful as Magneto hell she is Magneto. She is anyone she chooses to be and she could take over just as easily.
Wolverine - After X2 his storyline is resolved. He's Han Solo. Not Luke. He doesn't end up with Jean and he isn't the Leader of the Xmen. He's just a total bad ass. He's The Man Without A Name. Not the Xmen's bitch. If Wolverine wants a beer, Wolverine gets a beer. If Wolverine wants to fight he fights. Keep him as a bad ass. Marv from Sin City understands this. Marv has no alligiance to anyone. He's a big dumb brute. He's King Kong but he's tamed by the beast his Goldie. Wolverine is just a babysitter in this film when he doesn't need to be. After Alkali Lake he knows about his past. The War is put on pause with Stryker dying. Jean Grey is dead. So now what for Wolverine? We never get his thoughts on the cure at all. You know why? Because we know he isn't going to fucking take it! He's Wolverine! Who wouldn't want to have the power to heal and an adamantium skeleton. In the end Wolverine is an animal and he's not the brains or the eyes of the Xmen. We dont get his thoughts on the humans turning the cure into a weapon. His relationship with Beast is that of Han Solo and Chewbacca. He calls him "Furball." The first time he meets him. Why? Just cause the writers think "Hey he's Wolverine he's a bad ass." It's still a dick thing to say. And totally disrespecful. If Wolverine was going to say this the first time he meets him then he needs a reason. One being how about I dont know...Wolverine goes to his room but finds out some guy named Hank is given his living quarters for the time being and he goes to move his stuff and finds "blue" hair all over his belongings. When he goes to Proffesor X he sees the culprit and the conversation goes a little something like this..."You move me around room to room I dont even get a decent place to sleep and now this furball sheds hair all over my things."..."Logan..meet Hank McCoy..".."Wait this is Hank?.".."Hank McCoy Meet...".."Wolverine..I hear your quite the animal yourself." Or some shit like that. Keep in mind Wolverine is living at a school. No porn...no beer... no sex... no women no nothing. Just boring boring school shit. Plus he can't sleep because most of the kids powers (like screaming chick) keep him up. I live with a baby and she can be an annoying bitch. Multiply that by living with a bunch of mutant kids. Imagine how annoying it can get. Wolverine may love Jean but he still wants some pussy. He's a guy and he doesn't answer to anyone. There's no need for him to be a leader. If there's a fight tell him who's ass needs scraping and he'll do it. Otherwise there is no place for him at the school. Reprimanded. Logan doesn't play well with the team. How does Professor X punish him when he ruins lessons in the Danger Room? Other than that his character here is pretty much what you expect. He kills alot of mutants and takes over the role of Cyclops.
Storm - Halle Berry...Oscar. She wanted more screen time. She gets it. There's a scene where Professor X stops a lesson because she has PMS. Professor X could have easily mind talked with her and said "Hey bitch knock it off. I'm trying to teach" But doesn't and goes to see her outside. Was this scene neccesary? It's a costly visual effect to show us what we already know. Storm can control the weather. The scene doesn't tell us why the fuck she has PMS either. Her delivery of a line to Logan when he says "I can't see a thing in this mist." Is such a shitty delivery..."I can handle that." WOW thank you for that information bitch. We get it you can control the weather. Clear the fucking fog! She fights Callisto...why? Because she is a girl and girls must always fight other girls. Didn't Die Another Day teach this bitch anything. No one wants to see chicks fight. Unless it is on the level of Kill Bill Volume 2 or Death Strike Wolverine. She ends up frying Callisto when all she had to do from the beginning is make it rain and shoot lightning into the ground and fry the bitch as she levitates. In fact her character is really the only best hope they have for a defense. She can create mother fucking Twister and Day After Tomorrow Tornado's Before She Even Landed The X Jet. But what does she do? Shoot lightning bolts and spin? Bitch you can control the weather! Did we not see the damage Hurricane Katrina can do? There was never a plan of attack at all. That's what a leader does...they plan. Look at Mission Impossible 3. Ethan Hunt and his IMF team PLAN things to a T. Even under pressure. His jump off the building,the rescue of Lindsey, the capture of Owen Davian all planed all succesful. Nothing is planned by Storm who is supposed to I dont know...lead instead of fly the fucking jet! The plan should have been to get Leech. Beast has mother fucking inside information why doesn't he phone the President and tell him "Get Leech out of there pronto!" Are there no phones on the mother fucking jet? If Storm would have planned shit since she wanted to be the leader she should have said..Kitty go get Leech. Don't wait for Juggernaught to go! Now you'll say well...the soldiers had plastic guns with cures as bullets. So the best defense was to isolate the fight on Alcatraz. Then this goes against Strom's entire arch which is "There's nothing to cure." Why the f would Storm want the Brotherhood to get shot with cures? Bad mutants they may be...but that's because they are misguided. Every one of those mutants was not evil. In fact when Magneto uses them as "Pawns." It just shows how easily fooled they are. The fact Storm defends the military when her whole dilemma has been against the cure is totally out of character. When Jean Grey comes back there is no reunion between the two. It's passed off like "Oh Jean's back." Even when Professor X dies her and Logan just weep as it fades to black. How does PMS feel? In Buffy when Tara is killed automatically we see the rage of Willow and where that leads her. Here it feels like a promotion for Storm. You'd think there would be some scene any scene about retaliation towards Jean.
ArchAngel - Underused. His scene in the lab? Pointless. Why show up and strap yourself in if only to be Mr. I can't do this. Then hurl yourself out the fucking window. It looks cool? What causes that change in him? This story arch could have best suited Bobby and his family. His father Warren Worthington is the nicest man on the planet. I truly believe he created the cure to help and the real evil is those who would use the cure as a weapon. Why the fuck does Angel show up at the School? A place to stay? His father is a billionare! He can stay anywhere he wants. What pressure does he face besides Mr. Rogers (his father) to get the cure. I could understand if Religions wanted his wings cut because people would see him as an angel. But it feels like all he's done is cut his wings like one cuts a beard. His character is only there to have his father say "I invented the cure for my son." Why? I don't know about you but I'd love to have some fucking wings? What's so wrong with having wings? This is what his character needed to show us. I dont get the impression he was ever labeled as an outcast. The wings are like a case of bad acne his father tried to clear up. His character should have spent more time with Iceman and Shadowcat. More on that later.
Rogue - Rogue has always had the worst power because she can't have physical contact. So it's understood why she'd want the cure. Rogue is still a girl and she's not a woman. They added Kitty as a love interest to Bobby but this seems like it's better suited for a TV storyline. You never get to see her make the choice and she has no moments or characters to play off of. "Oh Bobby we can't fuck." We knew that already. Rogue needed to go on a discovery about her past and her power. And realize theres no rush for a cure. It exists it's not going anywhere. She's got the cure but what she doesn't have is answers. Her mutation didn't start till she was a teenager. How does she know she can't touch people? Or that it won't go away as she gets older? She still hasn't learned how to "control" her power at all. Maybe she can touch people without hurting them she just hasn't learned how. And she's better off learning with her mother Mystique who is in total control of her powers. Rogue saw Logan had to discover things about his past with his "father figure" Stryker. Now she will discover things with her "mother" Mystique. She could have had a scene with Pyro. Showing what he learned with Magneto and how to control his powers.
Kitty Pryde - The girl who plays her this time Ellen Paige is cute. It's easy to see why Rogue would be jealous. Her character kind of takes the place of Nightcrawler for showy power. (Though it is never explained why she doesn't fall all the way to the Earths Core?) She has a nice scene with Bobby ice skating. If Rogue went off with Mystique. Her, Bobby, and Angel should have spent some time together. When she tells Bobby "You have Rogue...I have no one." Angel should have walked in. Bobby's relationship with Kitty is like that of a little sister. He looks out for her. But I could see her and Angel together. If they both combine she can now...fly/glide through walls. Bobby would deal with the same dynamic Angel is going through. Both their parents want them to take the cure. Bobby's girlfriend has been "kidnapped." by Mystique. So Shadowcat would want to help. And Angel knows his father's facility.
Beast - The best handled character. I had no problems with Beast what so over. I can see why the President would appoint him head of Mutant Affairs. What I dont see is why he hangs out with the Xmen who are morons without Professor X. Had Juggernaught kidnapped Professor X he would be the one to send to rescue Wheels. He doesn't really need to be fighting on the front line but like Nightcrawler's scene at the White House hopping around "beast" like and crawling into vents and what not. Save the fighting for Colossus,Cyclops,Wolverine, and Storm.
Pyro - He needed to be the one to sacrifice himself for Magneto only to realize he chose the wrong side. He should have stayed in school.
Leech. When he sees Angel fly you think it means something to him. It doesn't. This kid is nothing more than a plot device. He sucks your powers away. Theres no mention of a family or anything. His character is alot like the Precog girl from Minority Report except she actually got some lines. How does this boy feel isolated in a medical lab? What's his thoughts on causing this entire war and being used as a weapon?
Does the cure work on him as well? Why is he sorry about making Beast hand human? If he stays at the School how do the other students react? Do they want this power sucker around? Hell Storm at the end is in total agreement with the boy when he represents everything she was against.
So in the end the movie we get is entertaining but one can't help but feel COMPRESSION was the word to live by. The less the better. There are no more intimate moments like X1 or X2. In X2 Wolverine has a small moment with Bobby in the Kitchen. There's no time for that stuff in X3. It's plot driven only. When Professor X dies you think Magneto would send flowers or a chess board. Nothing. You never feel Professor X dies and apparently he didn't (end credits). Theres a funeral scene and thats about it.
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It worked on the level it was supposed to work on. I too have always wanted to see a kick-ass movie adaptation of a great comic storyarc. But after seeing movies like "The DaVinci Code", "The English Patient", "Angela's Ashes" "Someone Like You" after reading the (sometimes quite bad) books, I was bored. I knew the story. LOTR was a fluke. An OK adaptation, but most books to film these days will always suck. I mean, look at Stephen King movies. Hollywood has the power to do a good adaptation, just look at The Godfather, The Exorcist, Rosemary's Baby, The Haunting (1st), and Contact. Where comic book movies have going for them is they can tell ORIGINAL stories using popular characters. X2, Spidey 2, Batman Begins. Very derivative of certain source material, but new stories we have never seen. Seeing the Phoenix Saga would have been wonderful. But if it was faithful to the story, I'd find myself bored. I read the spoilers 25 years ago. In a comic book. Why does every great story in one media have to be adapted for others? It's like the novelization issue raised above. Sure, you can use characters from other media, but write a story that works best in the chosen format. I love the game Splinter Cell. Would I like to see a movie with the same plot of, say, SS2: Pandora Tomorrow? Hell no. I've seen that already. But a great multi-location spy-sneak movie with Sam Fischer would own. See what I mean? This is my largest opinion break with Harry in years. Go see X3. It's fun. Like reading a comic book on the school steps. It's not begging for reverence. Marvel and DC are great pools to play in. Just stop adapting. Create something new. Throw in a couple of shout-outs to the fans of the other media, and make your fuckin' movie. I can even see a Hulk 2, Daredevil 2, Punisher 2, Elektra 2, etc rock with the right team on the project. The casting is good, but the execution was way off. Can't wait for X4.
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I thought you only posted about why CARS will fail. ;)
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I am blessed to not know the comic storyline, because each film has been an improvement on the other. Plus - Lee Ermey (Full Metal Jacket) got a voice-over cameo!
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... just tried to read Spidermanfreak20's post. My eyes are still bleeding. Damn Harry... can't you have your web guy find a way to include paragraph spacing in these flippin' posts?!!?
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...Hey, how ARE they gonna get that damn thing back in it's proper place??? Maybe in Superman Returns Supes can pop by San Francisco and use the "Rebuild Massive Man-Made Architectural Structures"-vision he used on the Great Wall of China in Supes IV. Moviemack, thanks for inspiring this idea!
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.....my point had nothing to do with Harry's concerns about the perceived credibility of this site, or even its relevance, as the previous poster had posited. My point had to do with Harry setting himself up for these accusations of disingenuity and bias in his reviews and opinions after movies are released based on his treatment of the movie's production prior to its release. And your example of X1 actually supports the point if anything. The fact that he changed his mind after having telegraphed his hate for X1, a year in advance does not somehow validate the position since he didn't do so this time around. The bottomline is that he should not have been telegraphing his hate for either movie prior to their release if he expected to be taken seriously after the movie came out. I realize that telegraphing one's hate for a movie that then turns out to be a piece of turd after its relase makes a Reviewer like Harry seem like a genius to fanboys on this site, but that still doesn't negate the fact that it detracts from the requisite impartiality that one would assume a serious movie reviewer or critic would have to have; especially when he does it in reverse as he did with King Kong last year and as he has been doing with Superman Returns ever since Bryan Singer got on board; regardless of how good that movie will actually be when its released. It's wrong either way.
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No arguments there, but then I don't get what it is about my response to monkey tamer in the first place. People have the right to accuse Harry of being biased, and I think in this case, they should. I'm not holding out a lot of hope for this movie but even I think he crossed a linem especially by the time those "hilarious" Valentine cards were posted. I'm just saying that assuming whatever bias he has cultivated against this movie comes from its popularity makes very little sense; at least, not to me.
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I don't get what it is about my response to monkey tamer that you objected to in the first place.*
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X-3= Old news, my friends. Why is AICN passing on THE blockbuster of the summer: WAIST DEEP. Tyrese? The Game? A 61 Impala? With chrome 22's? Need I say more.
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I like your name, bearovingian. Just thought I'd throw that out there. And holy symbiote, spidermanfreak! How long did it take you to write that dissertation?
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Initially, during the "Dark Cerebro" scene where it is attempting to kill all mutants, Bryan Singer had planned to show not only Cerebro's effects on the mutants in the Alkali Base, but mutants all over the world. During this scene, Hank McCoy, aka Beast (Steve Bacic), as seen earlier on the television during the bar scene, was to be shown in agony, transforming into his furry form, and fan-favorite Gambit was to be shown at a card game having his energy powers flare up. This scene was actually shot, using one of Hugh Jackman's stunt men, James Bamford as a stand-in for the role, shot from behind to remain ambiguous. For whatever reason, Singer decided to cut this sequence altogether and it remains unseen.
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Have you seen Hard Candy? Ha.
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Where to start?
I had extremely LOW expectations for X3 when Bryan Singer left and Brett Ratner was hired. Ratner's films ranged from so-so to decent, certainly not up to the standards of Singer's work. In my opinion, Singer started off a brilliant trilogy and it's a damn shame he didn't finish it (I would've rather seen Guilermo Del Toro direct X3 than Ratner.) I certainly hope "Superman Returns" ends up being good enough to excuse his departure from the "X-Men" franchise.
Anyway, the film was far too short. With this cast of characters, you NEED more time to develop them on screen or in the case of some, give their deaths more dramatic weight.
I'm no fan of Cyclops but damn did he get the short end of the stick in this trilogy or what? He doesn't even get the dignity of dying on screen?
The CGI used to make Prof. X and Magneto look so young was remarkable. Just stunning. Perhaps we'll be seeing more of this in Hollywood, especially with older actors in action films?
Kelsey Grammar was perfectly cast as Beast but I don't think they effectively captured the character, it was 'Beast highlights.'
I never cared for Rogue, it doesn't bother me in the slightest if she's never used in another sequel. Yeah yeah, I know all about the comic book history but we're talking about the *movies* here and things HAVE to change in the adaptation.
"Killing" Prof. X really sucked the life out of the theater I was in. Nobody seemed like they wanted that to happen. Jesus, completely obliterating the guy into nothing? Seems a bit harsh.
Speaking of harsh, did you find it odd how coldly Magneto reacted to Mystique after she *saved* him from the cure gun and was turned into a human? "You're not one of us any more"? "She used to be so beautiful"? DAMN! I had to laugh when she ended up betraying Magneto later in the film, telling the government where his camp was. I would've liked to see Magneto react with a tad more sadness to Xavier's death, hell I would've prefered his whole death scene be treated as something more horrific, like if you were watching your father being murdered.
The Iceman vs Pyro fight was rather anti-climactic and I think that we really could've done without the one-liners. "I'm the Juggernaut bitch"? Rather juvenile don't you think? Sticking with Juggs, his muscle suit looked ridiculous. In this day and age of special FX, we can't make a realistic looking rubber suit? I was disappointed they made him a mutant and threw away his relationship with Xavier. I had also been hoping to see a full throttle fight between him and Colossus (which would've give the "tin man" something to do other than carry large TVs with ease.)
I'm not going to get into Storm too much. I have always HATED Halle Berry in the role. She's a girl scout, nothing more. Angela Basset would've been the perfect fit. I'm glad she won't be playing superheroes any more.
Enjoyed the "look" Jean Grey had as Phoenix, when she went nuts she had a real demonic look to her. Very cool. I dug how the whole environment around her went batshit at the end.
It's clear to me Angel was merely being introduced and will get a more prominent role in X4 (which we ALL KNOW will happen.)
Magneto has been my favorite so far and while I wouldn't necessarily approve of all his methods, he was clearly in the right in X3. Just why in the hell did the X-Men stand off against him at the end? Traitors indeed. The "cure" clearly wasn't being treated as solely a choice any more, *I* would've tried to kill Leech as well. It was seriously pissing me off how they showed Mags being much weaker in this film, Phoenix threatening him with the cure (couldn't he have simply brought some metal projectiles somewhere and knock them away?) and of course actually getting it at the hands of Beast. I did *not* want to see him as some helpless old man in an old folks home. Thankfully it appeared his powers were coming back as he could move the chess piece at the end which begs the question...
Is this cure permanent? Does it react differently to each individual? Will some get their powers back and others won't?
It's clear Ratner was not a good choice for the film. I can appreciate he didn't try to make it "his" movie and try to fit it into Singer's vision but the problem is that he just isn't as talented as Singer is and X3 looks like a poor copycat.
I suppose I could have dealt with the changes/deaths in the film had they been written better and of course had the balls to stick with it at the end but virtually everything was a cop out. Prof. X's mind was transferred to that comatose guy (when Patrick Stewart's voice is heard, is it actually his speaking voice or was he telepathically communicating with Moira?) Assuming Xavier comes back in X4, will Stewart just be doing voice over? Granted we never got a look at the comatose body but he can't look like Xavier THAT much.
Too bad Nightcrawler wasn't in it but I got the impression from the X3 game that all the fighting and violence wasn't for him and left the group (the game's pretty good BTW, Cumming provides the voice. Sabretooth's in the game as well and the actor who played him in X1 voices him too.)
The FX was pretty damn good throughout (contrary to what I've been reading this past week.)
The love triangle (if you can call it that) between Iceman, Rogue and Kitty was hardly fleshed out and barely made an impression at all. Plus, could Iceman *be* any more of a wuss?
I would say the Danger Room sequence was not what fans had been hoping for all these years. One cheap Sentinel head? You never see it cut off by Wolverine either. Kinda lame if you ask me. I'll also echo other responses I've read about the music, where was it? The X2 score blew it out of the water.
Overall, X3 was not the big fiasco I was fearing but it's a huge let down from the high of X2. It's looking like it will break the $100 million mark this weekend so when FOX greenlights X4, here's to hoping there isn't a "Superman" sequel in the works.
Bryan, please come back.
I know my comments have been mostly negative but I don't wanna give the impression I hated it. I didn't, it was (like all of Ratner's work) ok but the franchise needed something better than "ok."
If they're doing that Wolverine solo story, I think it would've been cool if Magneto did rip the adamantium from his bones at the end of X3. It would've made an interesting story to continue with (Wolvy's far too strong in the films now.)
X3 gets a C from me.
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......I may have gotten it wrong, but it just seemed from a certain light that you were making excuses for Harry, there. But like I said, maybe I misconstrued your point. But in the context of your exchange with Monkey Tamer ( who's argument obviously has enough holes in it, as it is), I just felt that, stating that Harry disliked this movie, because he simply disliked it (devoid of any ulterior reasons) was a rather broad stroke and liberal assumption, in light of all the telegraphing he's been doing; and despite the fact that the possibility that its actuallly true ( i.e. that he simply dislikes it) also exists. In any case, I get your point here as well;- it's just that Harry tends to bring a lot of this stuff - such as unjustified fan accustations( unfair or not)- onto himself.
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Shit. utter shit.
i cant believe i paid to see that movie. ive never seen a better job of destroying a franchise. Here I thought Issiah Thomas had that title locked up (possibly sharing it with Steve Francis (aka Stevie Franchise[wrecker])
god and to think i heard one guy coming out of the theatre raving about the special effects. its clear this film was done on the cheap-- they couldnt afford more than a second of Colossus. No Juggy/Colossus fight? WTF? thats like having Thing and Hulk in a movie and just having them look at each other instead of raining blows down.
What should have happened is Colossus jumped in front of juggy's charge toward the prison and hit him so hard it actually slowed him. Then they could have torn the place apart in a wild melee while kitty searched for leech.
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writing so much without stretching the talkback...you sir are a level 5 talkbacker..take a bow..
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look man, yer opinion on the hulk is based on comparing it to greek tragedy. i compared it to the great jack kirby and his writing partner stan lee. not even close. sorry, but it was not what i think the hulk should be. the whole plotline with nick nolte was one of the worst things i've ever seen. if i want greek tragedy, i'll watch the george michael behind the music.
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I can think of worse directors who could've ended up directing X3. McG, Michael Bay, Rob Cohen, Joel Schumacher, and perhaps a dozen or more names I didn't mention who rate way, way higher on the "hack" scale than Ratner. The fact is: Brett Ratner did an exceptional job with X3. My guess is, the execs at Fox are already calling up Ratner to secure his directing services for X4. I'd lay money on it. If that's the case, again, I'd trust him at the helm over any of the previous names of directors I mentioned.
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In the end it doesn't matter to film studios if the relatively small % of the audience that are hard core comic geeks like the film its if the general public does and given that its made over 100 million its first 3 days I'm going to say they do. One things for sure they'll be rolling Wolverine and x4 & x5 out within the next 4 years.
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DaVinci Code is going to bleed profusely since there's a chick flick coming out (The Break-Up) ... and while some guys may go because of Vaughan, I doubt it'd be as many than for the typical VV film. So what does that mean? X3 probably makes a strong 60 mill next weekend and OTH will be second with 35 mill, with the Break-Up (God willing) finishing a distant third at 20 mill.
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Other than the fact that it ruined the X-Men, it was great.
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i liked it alot more...after seeing it at first i said it was enjoyable but i was dissapointed...no i just plain out liked it and enjoyed the hell out of it...CAPTBOULDER-My comment about the B.O. success (read my post) had nothing to do with saying the film was great I simply said the gamble and rushed production of X3 paid off for Fox. They wanted to release it b4 Superman and somehow stole Memorial Day weekend and they are #2 opening day ever and like #5 or something for weekend ever! They pulled it off money wise despite sites like this ripping it to shreds and critics being quite divided...
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Why does it bother you guys so much when a movie strays from comic source material? I mean I have a "comic geek" friend and it looks like he gets stabbed in the chest when my girlfriend mentions Wolverine or commented on a scene she liked from X3. He claims they ruined blah blah blah...Shouldn't you comic guys be happy that something you have read and obsessed over had become successful and while not a perfect adaptation has won over the general public? Or is this a I have my toys in my corner you can't play with them mentallity? Just wondering...
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In an interview, Ratner said that Professor X was Martin Luther King and Magneto was Malcolm X...does that mean Rogue doesn't want to be black anymore? Rogue accepting the cure at the end of the film was a shockingly bad decision. The movie's acknowledging that yes, the serum makes mutants "normal" and they are "cured" to live regular boring lives where their shallow boyfriends can touch them. We were robbed of seeing Rogue show up in the final battle, stealing powers left and right, using Juggernaut's and Callisto's etc powers against them...Rogue comes off in the trilogy like a whiny, worthless brat who doesn't deserve to be special and, worse, doesn't want to be. Poor Anna Paquin, forced to play this shallow non-character! That alone was enough to ruin the movie for me...although they should really have done the cure storyline and Phoenix as two seperate films.
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so what right? so what? i don't know, since im just a nobody. all i know is this, I LOVE THIS MOVIE! iloveit iloveit iloveit! and apparently a lot of nobodys love it too. and you know what? i'm gonna see it again! and i dont care if i just threw away sixteen bucks plus service charge to watch the same movie twice, it'll still be worth it. i'll be enjoying every loud, fast and crazy minute of it. the best sixteen bucks plus service charge i've spent on a movie. "i'm the juggernaut bitch!" and phoenix is da bomb!
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I've read all the AICN reviews for X3. I think for the most part the reviewers who hated the film did so simply because they "knew" they were going to hate it once Brett Ratner came on as director. There was an intrinsic bias against the film that the reviewers didn't even try to hide, especially Harry. I used to be a real fan of this site and frequently paid attention to its recommendations, but I've come to learn that most of the reviewers aren't critical thinkers. It's possible to be a fanboy and a critical thinker at the same time, but it's rare on AICN. So I'm taking AICN off my daily rotation and yanking it from my bookmarks. I may stop by occasionally. I don't plan to make a habit of it anymore. I'm disappointed in the quality of the reviews and the timeliness of the news.
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to the exact same movie all the haters would be saying how much fun the movie was." True, but also if Singer's name was attached to the exact same movie many "apologists" would be screaming "how gay!"
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And that's a good thing. I just got back from the Sunday 7:30 show (completely packed BTW) and I gotta say...I liked it, even though I fully expected not to (ahhhh, the blessings of lowered expectations). From all the negativity buzzing around the web and from this site in particular I fully expected Ratner to piss on the ashes of the first two. This did not happen. This was, and felt like, part 3 of a trilogy with all its predecessors' strengths and weaknesses. The ridiculous looking black suits are still there...thank you Singer. And so is the spot on casting of Ian Mckellam and Hugh Jackman...thank you Singer. Plus a lot more. I really loved Kitty and the Juggernaut (and their scene together was fun). The Phoenix stuff was extremely cool looking (I dug the anime influences). And Storm was actually not too bad in this one. Was it perfect? Hell no. First off, it was way to short. I would have loved to see a King Kong sized three hours. Didn
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People keep acting as if the only reason to dislike this movie is that it strays from the source material. Er, well, I hated X3, but I was a huge fan of Anna Paquin's Rogue in the first movie. Even though she was hugely different from the comic, her character worked wonderfully in the context of the first movie. Her relationship with Wolverine (before the next two films sidelined her) was the emotional highlight of the trilogy, more than Jean's somewhat contrived sacrifice at the end of the mostly excellent X2. Her character highlighted the vulnerable, unenviable part of mutanthood, and brought out the protective, heroic side of Wolvie's otherwise jaded character. In fact, movie Wolvie (until X3 completely neutered him) was more interesting and sympathetic than the Chuck Bronson Wolvie that spawned so many 'dark, conflicted, cliched' characters in the 80's and 90's comics. By contrast, Halle Berry's Storm was ALWAYS a weak link, because not only did she not resemble the strong, experienced, matriarchal Storm of the comics, but she utterly failed to be an interesting character in the movie version. Which has a lot to do with the actress who played her. Jean Grey was always underwritten, but Famke really added a spark of sympathy to her. And she was excellent in X3 as well, which only underscored how badly she deserved to die in a different, better movie. Nope, it has nothing to do with standard fanboy whining. It has nothing to do with the fact that beloved characters 'died'. (Even though Fox is too craven to invest any finality into those deaths.) No, it's the fact that they had to die at the hands of a clumsy, lazy script, under the direction of a hack. Prof. X's death scene was actually the high point of the movie... but after that, the shallow characterization and sloppy writing made it a waste. It's the difference between dying standing up, rushing the enemy, and dying with your pants down and a ball gag in your fucking mouth. Lame. The X-franchise went out like a bitch. But if you think a porcupine man killing a civilian by hugging her is the HEIGHT of coolness, you got the movie you deserved.
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I mean, anyone who respects the comics at all should be infuriated about the terrible way this movie treated the characters. I have not 'disliked' a film this much in...well EVER. I mean, I knew that the Phoenix story would be screwed and had heard whispers of characters being killed, but I mean - come on! Killing Scott off was JUST LIKE killing Johnny Cage in Mortal Kombat 2 ha ha ha.
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...Rogue's decision means she can now lead a normal life, something she wanted since the first minutes of X1. While the movies make the parallels of mutation == sexual orientation == race == creed == or whatever individual traits may separate one from the rest, in Rogue's case it's a debilitating condition. If this was real life, and Rogue's mutation was yours, which would you choose?
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I didn't think the character of Rogue changed at all in this movie. When we meet her she's trying to make out with a boy and about kills him. She's struggled with her mutation through all three. She's longed to be normal throughout the first two. In three she makes a decision and takes the cure. Full circle...true to character.
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like to sodomize their mothers while watching the movies fanboys claim ruined their lives
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...so now you decide to get all irreverent, eh? What a coincidence. Well, hope you paid for their moms' movie tickets.
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Dude, you do kinda blow man. I mean come on this wasn't that bad of a movie. I really enjoyed if except for the fact that the moments of death (except xavier i think) were kinda fucking lame.
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Yes, I read it all.
And Negator76 -- I agree with you too. This movie (one more time) is indeed a horrible piece of shit. And I'll keep saying it until everyone gets it. No kind, or amount, of excuses can save it. -
I makes those bitches pay for me (usually money taken from their fanboy sons weekly allowance - no big)
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As a big supporter of X3's box office potential, I gotta be realistic and say that there's no way X3 is gonna make 60 million next weekend. This much upfront demand (it went down 30% on Saturday alone) means we're in for around a 60% drop next weekend. Or more. I hope it's less, sure, but that's probably about what it will be. Even X2, which had REALLY good word-of-mouth, dropped like crazy after its opening. As for The Break Up: I know a ton of guys who are looking forward to it. Aniston's always kind of annoyed me, but Vaughn's at his peak right now and all the trailers have been legitimately very funny (and less a rom-com than just a straight comedy). If you think it's gonna equal the opening weekend gross of Benchwarmers and Poseidon (20 mil each) you're dreaming. I'm gonna keep conservative and say 30-35 million, but it could become another breakout like Wedding Crashers. You're right that Over the Hedge will probably stick in the top three though -- it's looking to last a lot longer than Da Vinci and will probably play well through the summer (with a big or small dropoff depending on how Cars is received).
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It ain't gonna happen. No matter how many Messy Marvin fans show up!
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Honestly, I'm a hardcore X-Men fan... I mean HARDCORE! I still collect the books even through all the sh*t and I love this. After the movie my friends who are also fans were complaining about the Phoenix and how they did it. I countered with something that totally shut them up and that if you think about it should shut you up too. You all know that if they did the Phoenix Saga and included the Shi'ar M'Kraan Crystal and the whole comic space thing on the Blue Area of the moon you would have spent the whole time looking at the screen and giving this crap for being "X-Men in Space" Not only that but the moment Patrick Stewart set foot, or wheel on the bridge of some space ship everyone would have pointed at the screen ans said, "Look it's Captain Picard." Any Phoenix Saga we should have gotten should have been grounded on earth. Honestly, this was rushed to production and in doing so, I think it is impressive that we got something as good as we did. If there is a four through six. I hope Ratner does them and takes his time. If he does then they will be great. Still, in my opinion if Fox really wanted to stick it to Singer and get their movie out, then they could have given us this film and two months later given us X4, or done a two hour X3part1 and another 2 hour X3part2. Bookending the Superman Remake and proving that their property is just simply better. Seriously, the "cure" plot mixed in with the passing of the mutant registration act and the utter failure that "cure" was leading to the mutant registration act exploding into the the sentinal program, and they didn't have to be the giant sentinals. The Sentinals from the Zero Tolerance story would have been cool, and would have been better if they were volunteers who allowed themselves to become changed and less than human to fight what they had thought was an abomination against humanity. I would have gone to both, and honestly so would all of you.
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Looks like he's a bit busy with 3 projects coming out in the next 2-3 years. Guess someone else will have to do X4. THANK FUCKING GOD!
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If they do an X4 it won't be out until 2008 and he can do two films that year. I hope they keep him.
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looks like it would be 2009. Since we get one every three years.
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On paper the X-men look awesome. In a live action movie, hokey. But nonetheless I actually liked this movie. Better than the first two. I was rivitted. Go figure lol. I liked the urgency in this movie. How it was all coming to a head. I could nitpick forever, like Cyclops being in the movie for 3 minutes total. They never mention that Juggernaut is Xavier's half brother. WTF move the golden gate bridge just to reach Alcatraz? They're mutants with powers! They can't get across a little water, lol. Aw well, bottom line is I had fun. Can't say the same about the Da Vinci Code. I was bored to tears. What a long ass pointless movie.
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You sure picked the right UserID. Orionsangels, I'm glad you were 'rivitted'. You managed to overlook the absolute absence of characterization, and Juggernaut's lineage, all at the same time. 'lol'. Jesus Christ, can't we have an 'eighteen and over' rule for this site?
But I shouldn't judge. I remember walking out of 'Batman Forever', having convinced myself that it FUCKING ROCKED! Because I needed it to rock. But after a few weeks.... my brain caught up to me. -
In no way was this as bad as Fantastic Four. In no way was this as bad as Batman & Robin. It wasn't as bad as Elektra, Daredevil, or Superman VI: The Quest For Peace. What was it? A tease. A tease of some cool effects with glimses of things that might have been awesome were the story and dialogue and actors to some degree different.
Cyclop's death was meaningless. No one missed him, mentioned him, or thought of him. They were just glad to have the hot redhead back. I hope Marsden had fun playing his throw-away role in Superman Returns .
Xavier was fucking stupid through-out. He doesn't sense Jean at the lake until it's too late, he doesn't give a damn about Cyclops ("Meh. He's a changed man now. You're in charge, Storm.") Where's the father/son relationship? Xavier's death was meaningless.
Storm's death was meaningless. What's that? She didn't die in the movie? Sorry, but Halle killed her back in the first movie. Her constant mothering of Logan in the film was like ice picks being shoved into my balls. "you have to choose a side! Will You be able to do what you have to do when the time comes for you to do that thing that we both know you're gonna have to do, Logan? Can you do that? Are you an X-Man? Will you do that thing you know you have to do and do it with the kind of do-ness that allows for you to be on a clear side when all of this is over and we've done what we had to do after what Magneto does, and you did what..." FUCK!
Juggernaut really did look like a dick head, Kitty was right.
If they hadn't spent so much money on that fucking bridge scene, they could have afforded a good special effects that didn't include bad wire-fu ... and maybe Iceman and Colossus wouldn't look shittier than a Capri-Sun commercial.
Am I glad Rogue is cured? Yes. She was annoying and seemed like she was PMSing the entire film.
What about Magneto? Oh, we know HE'S coming back. Pfft.
I will say, I wanted Erik to be more compassionate about Charles. I did want him to be more compassionate. They were friends, even in their opposition to each other.
Phoenix looked cool most of the time. Demonic. Nice. I only wish we could have seen the fiery bird reach towards the heavens screech. That would have been fun.
The Danger Room sucked, the sentinel head sucked, the dialogue sucked... kelsey grammer's Beast was cool, but even I rolled my eyes when he said, "Oh, my stars and garters."
But anyway. Enough talk about these funny book movies. Fuck 'em. Rothman? Fuck you.
Ratner? Nice try. You did aight.
Berry? Uhh. How the fuck did you get an Oscar?
R-RATED WOLVERINE! ALL THE WAY!
"Cornchips are no place for a mighty warrior."
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the whole defense of "You want it just like the comics, but that's stupid SO SHUT UP." doesn't make any sense because noone who is dissapointed with this movie is saying that. People who hated this movie hated it because it was ripe with horrible dialogue, obscenely bad editing, shoddy effects and pointless deaths that, after the multiple endings mean SHIT. Kitty: "Oh pooh the professors dead, boy I sure miss snow." Enter Iceman: "Duuuh hey, I can't screw my girlfriend. Wanna iceskate?" Kitty: "Sure, do you think anybody in the audience knows who the hell I am?" Iceman: "Duuuh,I think someone said your name in the second reel. But it doesn't, matter things will start blowing up soon. That'll take their minds off it."
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And honestly, I never cared for Phoenix. I'm tired of Jean dying and coming back over and over, just like Magneto. It pains me that long-timers like Bucky and Jason Todd are coming back. Anyway... I wouldn't want the movies to follow the comics. I wouldn't. But let's face it, the movies just aren't good. The first two were okay, but this one is just terrible. Just terrible. I don't say this because I'm a comic fan, I say this because I'm a fan of film.
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I just don't think anything would please the complainers. Every movie here is ripped to shreds for the sake of being able to talk shyt. it's easy when you've done nothing but critisize. Yeah i spelled it wrong so shoot. X3 was not bad. For the life of me I do not understand the Hatred that Harry put forth. I was really expecting this movie to be so bad that it would make House of the Dead look good. I avoided it friday but went on Saturday because my brother saw it and said it was good and fit in with the other two. I'm not saying that people who dislike it are stupid or bitching for nothing, but most of all the complaints i hear here can be transferred over from one movie to the next with only them switching names on this site. Bad dialogue, bad fx, bad editing, choppy action, no charcter development and so forth. To many here are becoming to artsy or are just to damn miserable. I've waited since childhood to see something like this on the bigscreen and i'm happy we got it. X1 did not suck, X2 did not suck, and x3 did not suck. I can list some truly awful movies and i can say with honesty that x3 is far from sucking as a movie. No it wasn't perfect and i think it coul've been much better had Fox started this puppy earlier, but then the actors weren't availble. While i hate the idea of waiting i think Xmen on Xmas of 06 would have been a better move for FOX and we couldhave gotten a better film. Ratner did a good job and proven he's no hack. The man delivered as I knew he would, but he's still a guy who can do a good movie depending on the script. Someone mentioned that X3 was on a level with that Gen X tv show some years back, well i say put down that damn crack pipe.
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Spidermanfreak, you are now officially the saddest online movie geek on the planet. Extra loser points for the paternal misanthropy, naturally, but your overall score is brought down a bit by the fact that you never debate your points. But then again, once you've treated us to your superhuman genius first in your infamous Cars post and now this thesis on X3, why should you have to, yes? Like the other guy said: get help.
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Now those are bad comic and superhero films. Any bitch who dares compare our put X3 on a level with those crap films need to have their heads examined.I can take legitimate negative reviews. but most here just make comments to show how witty they can be. While I though Fox's F4 was wasted potential at least the spirit was there and even that film was no where near the moviesI listed. As i've said before I can list some truly shitty movies and x4 doesn't even come close to them.
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Well here's one, BLACK BAUER is in it. Nuff said. Nuff said.
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Interrobang! Where?
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I don't really give a shit about the X-men franchise. So fuck characterization. What's to tell? It's Mutants against the Government. We get it. Comic geeks know the history of these characters. No need to waste time on silly mutant characters that go through walls. I'm glad this franchise is over. ---
Why exactly didn't you like about Batman Begins? It's about a guy who loses his parents. Grows up and dresses in a batsuit to fight crime. The movie didn't live up to that? What more did you want? I guess some geeks will never be satisfied. Especially when they created the movie in their mind since they were a child. Sorry if it didn't live up to your perfect opus. You self indulgent fuckhead! -
I know I can't be the only one who would want to see a bio-flick based on Stan Lee's early days at Marvel. Get Jason Lee to play him. And if not, just get the guy from X-Play. "I remember the time I was fucking Jack Koiby's wife, and he walked in and looked at me, and I looked at him, and that's where I got the idea for the Moleman!...Nuff said. Nuff said." :P
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I think you need to take a step back and re-examine things. There's no way *most* negative TalkBack reviews are comparing 'X3' to the shlock you listed above. And anyone who does is probably not to be trusted.
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Oval office. Beginning of flick. Black Bauer. Nuff said. Nuff said.
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I wonder about that since usually those who ask for an 18 or over rule are actually that age or younger. If you are referring to my age then if you must know I'm in my twenties, but my age isn't the issue and The issue is that I really enjoyed this film for what it was and if you can't be impressed with the great work that was produced given the short timeline then you just can't be pleased by this movie. Too bad for you. Maybe later you will come to appreciate this film for what it is. Good. I'm not saying it's on par with say, Batman Begins, but it's about as good as the other X-Men movies and knowing that; it would have been even better if it had been given the same timeline for production that the other two got. As for coming out of Batman Forever and thinking it rocked... well, then maybe that's the real reason you didn't like this film, even if you didn't like Batman later. All that really means is that the film didn't have the replay value that you needed. Again, too bad for you. So, go ahead and bash me for liking this movie. I'm done talking about it. I don't care what you or anyone else thinks, you don't have any apprecaition for the work that went into this film and you never will. One more time, too bad for you. Oh, and I have one thing to say about Halle Berry. I know how she got the oscar and it can be summed up in two words... Blow Job.
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... boy howdy, X3 is the least of our problems. What the fuck happened to our schools?!!
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movies should exist in their own universe...the comics already exist and are perfect as they were...they don't need to be re-told through moving pictures...that would be a waste of time and a mockery of film, in that it would just reduce it to a a short cut like a book on tape...
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Wolverine's hair is freaking awesome in that film. It's realistic looking. But then they go and style it up to ridiculous levels in the sequels. Honestly, what was Singer thinking with that first shot of him in X2? Plus, it was lopsided! I don't understand it, they ditched the spandex, yet they kept, or tried to keep that non-translatable do. Idiots.
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.... I'm pink :) With a token tatoo of the plaides system given to me at Birth. for what purpose i do not know. But I got a third degree burn last sunday and it's already healed. Gotta love these human digital cameras. they rock!!
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Ok...after all the hullabaloo by the reviewers here on AICN I totally wanted to HATE this movie...I was even going to go so far as to buy a ticket to Akeelah and the Bee...and then walk into X-Men: The Last Stand..I was so pissed that I didn't want Fox to get a dime of my money...but I didn't and I must say that I am glad...So..I buy my ticket to this supposed turkey and a take a seat....and what do you know...right off the git go the mother@#$%ers kill off Cyclops...then before you know it the Professor is deep sixed...blown all to freaking bits as a matter of fact!...Oh No They Didn't!!!..Those Sonsabitches!!!....The guys at AICN were right!...Ratner has killed the series!...Oh I'm really pissed now...ready to walk out...but I stay...then they take Mystique out of the game...Oh Jeeze..how bad is this turd gonna get?...unfortunately...more disappointment lieth ahead...along with Mystique...the new mutant bastage of a cure claims two more key characters Rouge and dare I say it..this cannot be true! MAGNETO!...Well..if this ain't bad enough...Fox turns the knife one more time and serves us up a Jean Grey Shish-ka-bob courtesy of Wolvie himself...isn't that special...Well the dumb asses at Fox did it alright (me thunk to meself) they have successfully killed off one of the best comic franchises out there...then...a slight glimmer of hope appears on the horizon... in the form of a metal chess piece...tipping forward..just the tiniest bit by only the thought of one broken old man...Magneto....YES! me thinked...the cure is only temporary!...So...the cure is crap...we got Mystique, Magneto (oh..there gonna be some conflict with those two) and Rogue back in the game..along with other assorted mutants...then came the other little 10 second gem...after the credits had finished rolling that is (unfortunately many people missed this) ..back to the research center with Dr. Moira McTaggert and the brain dead dude in the bed...suddenly you see him stir and turn his head...then two words are uttered in the voice of Charles Xavier..."Hello Moira"...she quickly turns and freaks "Charles"!?!? ...Whoo Hoo! ...Gorgeousness and gorgosity made flesh!...The Professor is back!...Then it hit me...in the comics...Moira McTaggert created a clone of Charles Xavier...so that explains that...he just transferred his thoughts to the clone...that works...you've got the botched cure thing going...the Phoenix always rises from the dead...and besides that...the real Jean Grey is still cocooned at the bottom of the lake according to the Phoenix saga...so she'll be back...that only leaves Cyclops...all I can say here is we didn't exactly see him die...and there was no body found...I suspect that we will see him turn back up as well...So...although this is not a perfect by the book X-Men movie..I found it to be entertaining...This is not the end...what Brett Ratner did was deliver one of the best cliffhangers since The Empire Strikes Back...IMHO. ...sure I could nit-pick it to death...I would have liked to see a CG Beast (although Kelsey Grammer) did a wonderful job) a BIGGER Juggernaut bitch! (9ft)...less cheesy wire stunts...Nightcrawler (sorely missed)...yada yada yada....All in all...a pretty good film..not perfect by any means...but I myself was entertained...We would all like to see these stories that we've come to love done strictly by the book...unfortunately due to the length and complexity of them it would be impossible to do them justice in a two hour + movie...and there are so many stories...they're just not going to be able to make them all...so they borrow a little bit here...a little bit there...splicing in the best of the books and adding in a few surprises along the way...I for one am kinda of glad that I don't have it all figured out..as I would if they had went by the book...I went through a roller coaster of emotions with this one and I'm ready to get back on...Kudos to you Ratner...make it happen again...this time with Sentinels...don't F it up Fox...this time...don't rush it!
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I feel that if they simply had Cyclops take his rightful place at the end of the movie, and be the one person that could stop his true love, this movie would have the impact, emotion, and have an actual well written climax. The actor playing Scott could have filmed his own scenes (because he was filming another movie of course) in the woods after his encounter with the Phoenix, trying to find his way back with out the aid of his glasses through out the whole movie until the end. Everything else could have played out the same way. Storm
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Because the film played out, start to finish and I didn't actually notice myself sitting in a cinema watching a movie. It might seem like I've turned my brain off, but the truth is, if a film can captivate me and make me fall out of reality, then that film is a success. When i watched X2 I was all figity and looking around. and others were doing the same. When I watched X1 I exjoyed it, but didn't marvel at it (pun not intended, then intended) My problem with X1 was that the roof of the department store they were fighting in was so fucking high up. A badly dressed up sound stage if ever I saw one. I also thought the mutant cloud and cerebro were pretty lame.... but I just figured it was some sort of keeping true to the source material thing.... so I let it be. With X2, I just can't think of anything I like about that film. I can and have written pages on why i didn't like it.... but ultimately it falls to the fact i find it incredibly dull and long and demanding of me. Plus it had the same stupid cerebro shit in the most unengaging scenes I've ever witnessed passed off as action. It never gets old my amazement when ever some talkbacker refers to X2 as perfection. Or X3 being less than X2. Anyway, let me go back over this post so i can remember what i was talking about. i know it was something about Xmen and being able to chill out with it. Unless it's X2. Bleh. oh thats right, there was one part where I was totally pulled out of the film. The golden gate bridge scene. Not because it was bad, but because I'm a big spfx hound and guru that I believed I was witnessing the greatest piece of work ever commited to film. Anyway, I think it's a safe bet to call this movie a winner. But if there's an X4 I can't say i'll be racing to see it to fast. I mean, how many times can you kill off characters and keep bringing them back for the sequels. Prof-X isn't really dead. Dare I say the Phoenix may come back, It's clear that the cure is only temporary, and i don't believe for one second that cyclops is really dead. I have absolutely no reason to be convinced of it. As for those saying cyclops was underused in this film. You know, he actually had more to do in this film than he did in either of the sequels. Good night.
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Fox has announced that there is going to be an X4 and possibly more.
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There's no such thing as bad publicity and Boy has this website done that. Not only have you been proved wrong judging by the films success, but now Fox are likely to say "Hey Brett fancy X4". It was a really good film an a worthy addition to the X-Men franchise.Nuff said.
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Can you say major replay value? If X1 is on tv I avoid it like the plague. If X2 I might sit through some to see certain scenes. But X3? I'm not fucking around I'm buying the dvd. That movie is soooo much fun to watch begining to end. Well done Ratner, you "get" what makes comic books fun. Thank you.
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Jesus you giant bunch of pussies ... the guy has an opinion that differs from yours - BIG DEAL !!! This isn't the middle east, where you cut someones head off because he says something you didn't like. I mean, this is the guy who posted positive reviews about Argmaggedon and Godzilla. It's not like he's the final arbitrer of what you, personally, might enjoy. Grow a sack you wussies.
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People want to complain "OMG Juggernaut didn't acknowledge Xavier was his step-brother!" and that serves as a major complaint for the film?
If you'll recall in the first X-Men film old childhood friends / enemies (in the comics at least) Wolverine and Sabretooth didn't seem to have much knowledge of one another. The whole comic past between Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike...nowhere to be found in X2. If you want to complain about relationships not being explored, the biggest complaint shouldn't be X3. I think the Nightcrawler / Mystique lookover would be more cause for nonsensical complaints.
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No, you're not the saddest, just the most cunty.
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"X-MEN 3" fortunately didn't spoil my popcorn and soda. And with BIG thanks to this web-site for giving me low expectations (while I managed to avoid most spoilers, mind you), it really enabled me to just sit back and relax and not be such a critic. I know, I know. We all want the best from our cinema experiences. I sure as hell do. I still crave a superhero flick that is as huge and epic as I know such films can be... and still have yet to be. But with that said, I still found "X-MEN 3" to be just as good as the original. While it's hard to think of ANYTHING that felt impressive ... I did, however, get a laugh out of the... (ahem) ...ball-kick... and the Alex Ross-like image of Magneto in the air, cape flowing, as the metal monstrosity was about to hit land once more. (I'm trying not to spoil too much for casual web-surfers.) Where's that wow-factor??? Where's that wow-factor that a director like James Cameron manages to bring to every picture he's made since the original (and low-budgeted) "TERMINATOR"??? But most importantly, where is that wow-factor while maintaining emotional content??? Not only should the images and movements of these characters be fantastic to witness on-screen,... but there should be a genuine feeling about such moments. And I think maybe that's what separates the most talented filmmakers from the rest of the pack. A director has got to FEEL these roles and feed the proper emotions to the cast... while having a talented eye for the visual. And just maybe, when all that comes together, such a flick will be unforgetable. With this particular X-men flick, the most memorable experience for me... is the time I shared with family. But the best movie-going experiences are even more poweful than that.
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I read the comics as a kid. They were donated to me. I was pretty broke and still am so comics are not the kind of thing i can splurge on. That being said, there was enough of a difference between the movie and the comics to make me roll my eyes. The on liners were used too often, as bad as they were, and the deaths were all awkward. Although, i was entertained, when xavier and magneto play angel demon on Jean/Pheonix. I liked the fx on the pheonix sequences. All in all it was a bad movie that can entertain. For "fanboys" it's a tragedy. For us po' men, worth waiting for DVD. The average viewer should like it, and why not, it was made for them.
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...because I really wanted to love it. This will not be a long rant. Ratner should've stayed the fuck away from the Dark Phoenix saga, because it's not like he wasn't pulling from at least two other storylines anyway. Those of you who keep saying "it's a fucking movie, it's got to appeal to moviegoers," I cry BULLSHIT!! Why do I cry that? Because of Peter Jackson and LOTR. If he can pull that shit off and do it well, then someone (apparently not Brett Ratner) could've pulled of the Dark Phoenix Saga. I'm just pissed that now the "moviegoers" are going to think that's how it happened in the comics.
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Bye Paul Gleason, your contribution to the Breakfast Club will ensure that you will live on forever.
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so i get free net. My computer was a donation. A poor girl who for some reason thinks i'm "pretty cool" paid the admission. What a sad sad world. don't you love Gary jules?
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Am i getting a free ride? And didn't Gary Jules sing mad world? hmmm... anyway gotta sell out. I do work for a living.
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This is what you get when you rush a movie. This is what you get when an actress demands more parts in a movie that she doesn't deserve. This is what you get when you cram 25 storylines into an hour and forty five minutes. I wasn't surprised at all with the outcome. I enjoyed certain aspects of it. Still say that the Phoenix storyline shouldn't have even been attempted. At least FOX could have had it done in two movies instead of one if they did do it. Too late now though. I really wonder if X4 will be made.
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Ok...is it just me or did anyone else notice the letters PS3 on the headrests of the jet...is this just a shameless plug for the upcoming PlayStation 3...or does this stand for something else?...just wondering.
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ok, I am curious...did those who liked X3 also like T3? and conversely, if you hated T3, did you hate X3---------seriously, I don't know what to think...
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A lot of you seem to favour the Michael Bay approach that X3 has given us. Bigger explosion and set pieces but sadly lacking in characterisation or character development. X3 hints only at an arc b/w Angel and his dad, hints at an arc in which Wolvie accepts a leading role, hints at an arc of a love triangle bw Iceman, Rogue and Kitty Pryde and hints at a Dark Phoenix arc but lacks the balls and time to develop it. Setpieces don't make films memorable, characters do. Say what you will about X1 and X2 but at least they had old-fashioned character development 1st, action second. Oh and lastly I actually like X3 but I do not love it the way I love X1 and X2. And can people stop using box office to excuse mediocrity e.g. Fantastic Four and now X3. Thank you, The Styler has spoken.
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In response to the previous post, I really like T3. More so than X3. Granted the film is not in T2's league but at least the ingredients missing in X3 - character development, attempting to tell a coherent story and respect for the source material are present in T3. It's true.
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And very much like t3, practically negates the groundwork of the series that preceded it, without coming close to the resonance of the other movies. And I don't even like x1 and 2 that much.
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So there's post Mangneto, playing chess and sulking over his loss of power, looking a lot like Gerri from that famous Pixar short. He puts his fingers up to the king, longing to make it move with mangetism as the film closes for the first time. (It was a shitty shot by the way and looked like an after-thought) Now the people I'm with in the theater swear to me afterwards that the chess peice wobbled but I don't recall this happening. Was I just too blind with rage toward the neutering of Wolverine's character to notice it?
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Also, I personally don't mind that Xavier died, if they just HAD to put Phenox in this flick, which I agree wasn't the right plot vehicle for her, then demonstrating her lethal abilities is most perfectly accomplished with the death of Xavier. Also it was a great moment to see Magneto's response to the lose of a friend who he admired but was locked in a idealogical rivelry. I DO agree that the death of Cyclops was pretty much a waste but then again X2 didn't give him a whole lot to do either. "Hi! I'm James Marsden. I play Cyclops. I'm really only here for the craft services and then I need to be off."
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Oh yeah, there are some clunker lines in this flick esspecially the "I hear this is a safe place for mutants" "It was, It will be again, it still is!" line. Everyone was cracking up over the delivery which is pure direction.
Come to think of it, FUCK Ratner. Action flicks are always rife with stupid one-liners that are like well crafted jokes that rely heavy on proper timing; some of that is acting, but most of it is pure Direction. The only two that seemed to be unaffected were Stewart and McKellan. McKellen, judging from the Da Vinci code can push through the fridged waters of bad directing like an ice-breaker and Stewart has been able to shine dispite three (two if you like the borg flick) BAD Star Trek movies. Yeah, I said it - fuck First Contact, but that's a rant for another time.
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liked it. and no, i ain't a comic book fan. add that to your stats.
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LOS ANGELES (AP)
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Color me skeptical. If you honestly believe that then it's probably safe to say that you haven't seen 'X-Men' in a while, because his role in that movie is actually fairly large. His part was criminally small and cipher-like in 'X2,' but he actually did have a couple of fight scenes (against Jean and against Yuriko) and several conversations with Wolverine and with Jean, including the scene at the climax of the film where he had to watch her die. What does he do in 'X3?' Get killed by Phoenix?
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Superman, Cars, Pirates, anything else? The Fountain?
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Man. Fucking...man. This was exactly what I wanted an X-Men movie that closed out a story arc to be. Fucking shit ruled, man. I know it's not all fucking super-dork spandex, fucking Phoenix in her fucking waist sash and Trans Am emblem on her chest...who gives a fuck? Not me. That's who...saw it twice already..gonna see it again. Fuckin' a. This movie kicked ass. This movie kicked all of the asses. Every one...Fucking last scene of the Alcatraz sequence is exactly the tone and feel and fucking HEART of how the X-Men comics are without being a geeky ass embarassment.****************Loving the X-Men is more than just being slavish to old-school content. Harry man, I love ya, pal, but what the fuck? Let it go, man. I prefer these modern-style, hipped-up versions of characters who are plainly fucking dressed like clowns in the comics. This movie captures the movie version of the X-Men. While I respect a comic fan's opinion, Harry, you're not the only guy who's picked up an issue of X-Men, hoss. As another fan of the Silvestri and Lee years as well as a guy who loved the Arthur Adams run, as well as teh classic Claremont run...Let me say that if you like the Ultimates line of comics, this is a great movie...if you're an old-school comic fan, you'll hate this fucking flick. ******************This movie had all the elements of an X-Men comic, an X-Men movie, and all the great elements of a great summer flick. I won't call your opinion invalid if you decide to hate it, just that I DON'T think that it does comicdom any good to look back on what now looks fucking stupid with such a rosy outlook...Stay home Harry, if you absolutely need to feel right about this...more seats for me and my friends...okay...I don't have friends. But fuck, this movie was great.
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Ya big fat loser!
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That scene was a reshoot after he had already grown his hair out for Van Helsing, so it was kind of hard to hide his long hair. Same problem at the end.
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Bring on X4! And bring back Prof X, Jean, and Cylclops!!!
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What it lacked in intense character development, it more than made up for in complete ass-kicking! I feel it was appropriate at this point to really break out the FX. True, it did lack a certain heart, but we got that out of the 1st two films. And the final Dark Phoenix "apocalypse" scene was just too fantastic! I wish the movie had been one hour longer.
All those complaning about X3, pull out your copy of Fantastic Four (You know you have it) and review to see how a comics movie can really suck.
I will be seeing X3 again, just to relive the Dark Phoenix scenes!
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that they wouldn't like it when Ratner's name was attached. While this film is hardly the stuff Oscar is made of, it is a good film. But too many people wrote it off because Ratner is the director and they decided that he couldn't make a good film (even though I think Red Dragon is a solid film, just not as good as Manhunter). I think Harry especially falls into this. He's jealous of Ratner's success and decided to trash this film from the moment he signed on, but he's big buddies with Eli Roth, who will only have the most minimal of hollywood success, and is not that great of a filmmaker (I did enjoy Hostel though). I'm not here to call Brett Ratner an auteur on the level of a Scorcese or Spielberg, but the guy makes films that make $$$, and Harry is envious of that because that's where he wants to be, not sitting in Austin working on this site.
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I am actually OK with the way the writers did the Phoenix storyline for a few reasons. Comic book fans really are not supportive when a movie has to explain something(i.e. the Hulk) Yes I wanted the flaming bird effect but having Grant Morrison's version of the Phoenix was excellent. The second personality was the least expensive, least time consuming and least distractive way of explaining how Jean became the Phoenix. I know I am in the minority. I looked on here when X2 was released; complaints all over the place and it was supposed to be the best. I wonder sometimes can a comic book movie satisfy us and have fantastic box office too. At least I know there will be a fourth X-men film; not counting Wolverine and Magneto.
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Once again, you simply can't trust Harry when he's hell bent on disliking a movie before ever seeing it. With all the negative press this movie had gotten on this site, I'll admit I was skeptical. But X3 felt like X-Men the comic book. The first and second films were good films, but they always felt like bastardized versions of the X-Men. This felt like X-MEN! Like a comic book brought to life. Sure, there are a few cheesy lines that I could have done without but these were the X-Men I remember as kids. Wolverine FINALLY getting to tear it up. Iceman going FULL ON Ice. And the girl they got to play Kitty Pride...just all kinds of adorable. Cyclops has NEVER been treated properly in these films, but I blame that on the first two movies more than this one. X-Men and X2 basically put him in this position. In short, I felt Moriarty's review to be a far more accurate description of this film's merits. Singer better hope Superman Returns is HALF as much fun.
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Is it cos he was buggering off to have a bit part in Superman? Is it, as lots have said, because Halle "get yer tits out" Berry wanted a bigger role?
Look Halle, sit your ass down, these films have been, same as Trek, the Picard and Wolvie/Data show.
However: I rate them X2, X3, X1.
I enjoyed X3, here's my good & bad, broken down as simple as it gets...
GOOD:
Wolverine in the woods
Jean Grey oozing sex appeal
Mystique nekkid!!
Iceman - proper!
Colossus looks cool
Beast was fricking awesome
Chuck being flayed/melted
The Danger Room
Magneto (up til he said "what have I done")
Forming the line
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Cyclops - not just his "death" - Marsden has never been good enough as Scott
Rogue taking the cure - balls.
I'm the Juggernaut, bitch
ANGEL - Good god, WHY!! Pish.
Halle Berry is crap unless Billy Bob is banging her ragged!!
Hugh Jackman - stop taking your kit off!
The ending was an anti climax I though (Xmen 3.5 anyone?)
"Hello Moira"
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Okay, so it's not a literal translation of the comics, but then, these movies never were...not from the first. Otherwise, we'd have seen the original lineup in the first movie. Jean Grey was "killed" in the tidal wave according to the movies...on a space station in the comics, and so on. Point is, the comics are a rendition of the comics....from a certain point of view. X3 in my opinion carries that certain point of view on to a possible conclusion. I have no issues with the direction nor cinematography. I've read the Dark Phoenix saga and enjoyed it. Now I've seen a different version and enjoyed that too. Ultimately, both have serverd their purpose, because both have entertained me.
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...and the last word from my brother: Best of the three X-Men films. Sorry, but I think we watched a different movie than you did. I had no spoilers going into it, and thoroughly enjoyed all of the surprises. I suspect there's just a lot of hate for Ratner and whoever this Rothman guy is that's blinding your opinions TBers.
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I've seen some movies that left me with a fantastic buzz like a shot of Turkish coffee ... like X2, or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, or the first Matrix. Then I've seen movies that made me feel like I had just gurgled piss ... like Fantastic Four or the Matrix sequels. THIS movie, however, was neither experience. This movie was a shot of tequilla. YES, I AGREE that it's "wowie, wicked cool, gee-whiz" to see ONE THOUSAND MUTANTS do all these mutant things. That's the instant buzz-on that the tequilla gives you. AND YES, I AGREE that tried-and-true Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellan, and Hugh Jackman give strong performances. That's the lick of salt, squirt of lime that grounds the taste of the tequilla. BUT OVERALL, you can't forget that tequilla by itself tastes like ass, leaves you feeling more hazy than buzzed, and dulls your senses with nothing memorable to show for it. Yes, it's making a TON of films ... and a lot of people will swear by it ... but it left me feeling "meh," no matter how much shit explodes.
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NO. What do you guys think... if you still even care.
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May 29, 2006 2:10:56 PM CDT
Yup, ultimately X-3 is pretty dissapointing. *SPOILERS*
by skyway moaters
It's not terrible. It's a little disjointed due the sheer number of larger story thread fragments thrown into Ratner's screenplay blender - It slices! It dices! It compresses a story thread that took over three years to develop in the comics down to: The little prologue visit Prof X and Magneto pay to pre-pubescent Jean Grey (did you notice Stan Lee watering the grass?), a deadly kiss, and a short little exposit from the Prof about how he set up barriers in Jean's consciousness to protect her from her own "off the scale" mutant powers, resulting in the inception of a separate personality within her mind: "The Phoenix". As opposed to what happened in the comics, which admittedly, involved interstellar space travel, mysterious galactic entities, planet devouring, etc. (AND, it
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I did laugh when you asked that... and he replied! However, you do know it's not polite to talk about money etc, right?
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depth and emotion in that post than the movie did. This is why I didn't like the movie. It took the easy way out. Set piece after set piece with minimum time and effort spent on building and creating the world that they were in. I don't understand how anyone can like this movie.
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and the piece did wobble. Watch for it again when it comes on HBO in about 6 months.
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relationship with the Professor not being mentioned, but not having a problem in X2 with Xavier's son being given to Stryker.
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I don't know... is there anything else PS could stand for on a jet? Anyway saw the movie, I had my expectations tempered, and unfortunately knew about the deaths of our two characters. Anyway enjoyed it quite a bit, but I'm sure story wise it could've been a lot more. And please... it's laughable to try and tie in the whole mutant thing to homosexuality... I know it's on purpose, but I can't take it seriously... hahhaha
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has every editor review the same film?
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I'm just messing with you. Although I think you ought to send him a gift cert. for a movie entrance (or two so he can return the favor to the girl)! ;-)
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Remember what happened to Mar-Vell!
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.....sooooo Harry, which is the next film you plan on bashing pre-maturely? Please start bad-mouthing Spiderman 3 (not like it needs any help but whatever), the Wolverine and Magneto spinoffs and oh yeah, X4, X5, X6 and whatever else follows ( given that the Rat has a high chance of being recalled for one or all of those thanks to this history making effort, I think we can bank on more relentless trashing from you, no?). Seeing as Harry's praise for a movie is like freaking Box-Office Kryptonite (pun intended) when you consider Domino, and King Kong (yeah it did well, but fell far below expectations or rather hype) last year, it's just good to know that it works in reverse as well ( FF last year and now X3). If I were Warner Bros. and Singer I would be really worried right now. Not because X3 has raised the bar so high, but because Harry began giving their movie the thumbs up before Singer even filmed one scene. But in all honesty, Fox have won this one. There's just no way Superman Returns matches this B.O. take due to various unavaidable factors; such as the fact that there are never 2 record-breaking movies during the same Season, and Supes Returns, while also not opening on the same type of Holiday weekend scenario that X3 did, also lacks the same kind of young solid fanbase, outside of the 0.2% comicbook geeks, that X3 was able to develop thanks to X1 and X2. Most younger movie-goers (the ones that spend most of the repeat-viewing and date-movie cash that Studios love) are too young to remember the excitement of Superman I and II and may only have caught the aweful 3 and 4, but the time they became old enough. Oh yeah, and lets also not forget that there's a little picture called Pirates of the something opening right after Supes returns which will not only steal some of their thunder and follow-up audience, but will probably also lead a lot of ambivalent viewers to skip Supes in favourof catching Depp and Knightely the weekend following. If fanboys didn't hate the Rate enough before this, they will surely loathe him now. There's nothing quite like a Frat-boy type perceived "hack" director who also just happens to have a freaking Horseshoe, Rabbit's foot and clover leave shoved all the way up his ass. And to think that at one point he was supposed to direct Supes while Singer was still attached to X3. "Er....Mr Ratner....the Devil is on line one....something about a deal you guys have and, a soul he's supposed to collect or something?....."
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.......OK, add me to the list of people asking for a freakin' editing function thingie on this Talkback!!!! It looked good while I was typing it, but those spelling errors, yeeeesh......
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This film does NOTHING to the continuity. No-one dies and no-one loses their powers. What was the point then? Well it fills 1h45 with xmen action. As to the issue of pheonix being a wimp compared to what coulda been - I'm pretty sure that some creative writing could pick the series up and carry on the pheonix story on a grander scale. Jean getting stabbed doesnt really feel like the end of anything to me. My real problem with the film is its untidy narrative. There really is no need for this to have been a "pheonix", an "angel" and a "cure" film. None of these story lines really feel like they connect in any way, especially the angel thread. Maybe because the film feels about 45mins too short. However what does make it into the film is ok - but never really better than that. Heres hoping X4 can deliver... How about it?
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May 29, 2006 3:38:28 PM CDT
Mah'gra: What exactly are you basing your assessment...
by skyway moaters
... of Superman's fan base? 'Cause your assertions on Supes Returns' box office potential are not supported in the least by the rest of your post. But perhaps you know something I don't and aren't telling us?
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made a boatload of $ ...but still suck ass just like this lame turd
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May 29, 2006 3:49:39 PM CDT
My 'Stand' (see what i did there, huh? huh?)...shut up.
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Awesome. I know the purists will have issues with the Cyclops being dead early on. Not me, i hate that whiny little bitch. He alsways has been, folks. I like how they showed an evolution in the leadership roles of Wolverine and Storm. I did not see Xavier being ripped apart at the molecular level coming, and i liked magneto's reaction when pyro mouths off about it. Sure, it had its flaws, but Beast was awesome, the fighht scenes were awesome. And man, i don't care what anybody has to say about it, the way they pulled off dark pheonix was RIDONCULOUS!! When she's killing Xavier, she looked ev-il. like evil evil. and c'mon, when wolvie's gotta pierce her? right out of New X-men 150 (I believe? minus the being trapped on satellite m), The point is, for the guy who brought us Rush Hour...cough...to come into a franchise to close it out, Ratner did a fantastic job and it was better than the last installment of any of the recent trilogies we've had to endure. I'm sorry, but ROTK, was really good, but i could have done without the 14 endings. not to mention that it told you what was gonna happen in the title.anyway, i digress. Matrix Revolutions enjoyed the favour of moose-balls, because it sucked them so hard, Revenge of the Sith was rushed and robotically acted (altho the yoda/emporer scene kicked-ass). all the films are flawed, but i jsut thought X3 really delivered. even if the door was left oipen for X4: Cyclops Returns (please, God, let this be where that concept dies). Great flick, worth the money, and a second viewing. I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!
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"Professor X IS the X-Men; it's like trying to take Jesus out of the bible.". In the Bible, Jesus dies. FYI.
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I enjoyed this movie, yes you can tell that Singer isn't in charge anymore, but so what!???! I watched about a years worth of cartoons in the mid-90's but otherwise my complete x-men education is based on the movies. Fuck harry, Fuck massarryymm or whatever his name is because i thoroughly enjoyed this film. Yes it SHOULD HAVE BEEN 30 mins longer at least. But considering it came from 'The Rat' it was absolutely excellent, and to quote the bible of film, 'Empire', this film also contained the 'spine-tingling highlight' of the series. I personally think that all you comic book geeks should NEVER watch a film about your particular comic passion. These films have NEVER been made for you, you account for FUCK ALL of the target audience. stay at home and stick the pages of your favourite comic together with your geek-juice. wankers.
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Okay. Just got back from seeing it (finally) ... with my 6 year old. IMHO, it was a damn entertaining movie. Now, obviously I'm not a slave to the comics. See, I stopped reading them faithfully about the time I got my pubes and finally talked some chick into blowing me. But I respect those who like to read the source material. That being said, I have no problem with movies "deviating" from the source material. LOTR did it, and was fantastic. Books do not equal movies. Things that are exciting on the page do not necessarily work on the screen. Furthermore, the average movie goer does not want to have to review 25 years of fucking source material before going to be entertained by a movie. I know generally the X-men myths, but I tuned our just before the Dark Phoenix plotline, so I couldnt tell where they deviated and how, and frankly, I didn't give a crap. It was a fun movie. My only complaint was that they could have added an hour of mutant combat and I'd have been thrilled. Okay - my only other complaint was Kitty Pride - what the hell is up with that forhead ?!? That things more of a seven head.
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Bring on the anti-rat-hater haters!!
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Oh, come on. You KNOW that there is no way that this series is going to die anytime soon, ...not with that box office take. However, it doesn't guarrantee the quality of what is to come next. And that.. is very sad.
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Yes, he does. And just like Professor X, he comes back.
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Jason Stryker was a combination of Legion and Mastermind. And it totally fit the storyline. I'm not bothered that Jugghead ain't kin to Chuck, but, I do think his look is a tad off. Not that I was expecting the big mofo from the comics, but just a better looking suit.
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But sadly, pretty much what I was expecting. I agree that X3 isn't as bad as Superman IV, Batman & Robin, and Elektra, but it still sucks hard. The movie was, IMO, essentially Rothman and Ratner pissing on the fans to the point that they should have changed the title to "X-Men 3: Drink Our Pee." Seriously, on the one hand, you have Rothman doing everything in his power to kill the series and render it completely impotent (let's kill off tons of characters and 'cure' many others!), while on the other, you have Ratner trying to stuff everything he ever wanted to see in an X-film into one quite tiny movie. After waiting so long to see a sentinel on the big screen, you'd think I'd be happy when it finally arrived. But instead of an actual sentinel stomping around, wreaking havoc, we were handed some saucer-like lights in a smoky haze and a decapitated head crashing to the ground. That was it. And I completely agree with Harry on this one. If that's all you're going to do with the fucking sentinel, don't fucking do it. Leave it for the next movie. Or the next one after that. The sentinels could have been one movie on their own. A whole army of them deployed to take out all mutants and a big asskicking ensues. They could then put the budget and the time into actually doing the sentinels justice. Ratner also stuffs the movie full of so many characters that the whole thing feels it's about to burst. And as a result, all the various storylines feel skimmed over, all the character arcs depressingly brief. And considering how much death and mayhem is at the centre of this movie, the story requires that the viewers have a strong emotional connection to what is going on up there on the screen. And I'm sorry, but that connection was missing for me. The love triangle with Shadowcat/Iceman/Rogue could have been interesting (though a slight rehash of the love triangle between Iceman/Rogue/Pyro from X2), but instead, I just didn't give a shit. I'm a big Kitty fan and I can't stand Anna Paquin, so I just figured, yeah, go with Kitty instead. Rogue sucks anyway. But I don't think that was Ratner and co.'s intention. Juggernaut got tossed in here and receieved the same treatment as Bane did in Batman & Robin, which is a shame. The Tattoo Gang was ten pounds of retarded. And then you have Cyclops' death! What the fuck was that? I've never been a huge fan of the character, but I enjoyed Marsden's portrayal of him and he has always been a major part of the X-Men team. Personally, I think that he deserved a little more respect than to be killed off-fucking-screen. And then after it's decided that he's dead, no one even bats an eye. The characters are all like, 'oh, Scott's dead. Hm.' And that's it. That was sloppy as shit, if you ask me. I also didn't care for Xavier's death, either, but I guess I have slightly less gripes with that one. And then there's the fact that I could go on a whole rant about how badly the Phoenix storyline has been raped here. We knew from the setup in X2 that we wouldn't be getting a direct adaptation of the Dark Phoenix saga and that's fine. I totally understand the need to rein it in, to put it on a smaller scale, etc. But this "interpretation" was just insulting. And so they introduce this idea that every now and then the real Jean breaks through, essentially for no other reason than to make it possible for Wolvie to gut her. A very sarcastic "awesome" is in order, I believe. I was at least happy that Kitty finally got to fight and DO STUFF and that Rogue was barely present at all, but mainly this was an underwhelming and soulless effort. I can't remember the last time that a movie felt so bloated and overstuffed and yet so empty at the same time.
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Singer could come back and save this series, and resurrect Cyc in the process. Sinister used Jean as a pawn to stage Cyclops and Xaviers death. Xavier is not in the braindead guys body, he is just communicating through it from a alternate timeline. This premise could ultimately lead to bringing Apocalypse, Cable, Archangel, etc. into the series. Sure its lame, but it would work. And, it wouldn't have to rely on Wolverine and Storm.
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The entire idea behind the X-Men is that mutation is not a disease, it's who you are - it's a step forward in evolution. From its first scene set at a Concentration Camp, the trilogy set out to make analogies between fearing/hating someone who is "different" because they're a mutant, and fearing someone who is "different" because of race/creed/color. Rogue's decision to take the cure is therefore like someone saying "My life is hard because I'm different, so I'll permanently change myself to be like the normal happy people" instead of standing up against haters and social difficulties. It's a cowardly decision that goes against the ideals of both camps, Magneto and Xavier. And I for one would never pick the cure personally - fuck that, I'd love to be able to steal other people's powers and kick some ass. I know I'm approaching this like it's an actual political discussion, not a comic book movie...but it just completely ruined the whole idea of the X-Men world from issue #1 some 40+ years ago.
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If you don't know the REAL backstory to the X-Men universe & it's characters, it's still an enjoyable movie. If you DO know the REAL backstory to the X-Men universe & it's characters you'll be pissed quite often at some of the things in the movie. I still ending up liking the movie even though I'm well aware of the COMIC BOOK history of the X-Men.
In the end, ya just have to accept that this will continue to happen in EVERY Super Hero/Comic Book type movie, as they all make changes of some kind with the story, continuity, characters, etc. None of them are really 100% pure & true to EVERYTHING you've read in the books. Sad but very true.
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1. How can you kill off Professor X???????
2. How can you kill off Cyclops, the leader of the x-men and arguably should have had a bigger role than Wolverine????
3. Where was Rogue?
4. Collossus...blink and you'll miss it role?
5. Who the hell does storm think she is?...Catowoman?
6. Juggernaut came from where and is obedient as a dog?
7. Reminds me of Mission Impossible 2 (plenty of Ethan but no team)
8. Where is nightcrawler?
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This movie sucked and we have a right to exsist! --and I can prove it with violence and a team of special effects artists any time you horrible Mother Fuckers ever wanna bring it?
Charles always said we should build bridges out of dead geeks and puppies.. wha?
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But the big B.O. means there will be more, which is a good thing I guess... Hopefully new scriptwriters and director on the next one(s) though!
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Actually it's in one of his lesser-known speeches. --That X sure loved to get High.
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even though it broke all sorts of box office records, I'm betting that the studio execs are hedging their bets on making just as much off of a solo wolverine movie. the most bankable star is hugh jackman (even though somebody should really look at ian mckellan's track record. He HAS to be one of the most successful stars in the past decade. All 3 x-men films, all 3 lord of the rings films, and Da Vinci Code should cement him as a hollywood powerhouse. He's not young folks, cash in on him while you can. Although, I think Gods and Monsters 2 might not be such a good idea.) They'll save money just by paying Hugh Jackman. Besides, I think the script of this past one kind of killed the franchise. If you bring any of those characters back from the dead, or give them their powers back, you kinda cheapen the experience of x3 even more. In the immortal words of Henry Jones Sr., "Indiana ... let it go ..." I just hope Hugh Jackman has the intelligence enough to follow Chris Claremont's and Frank Miller's original Wolverine story.
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Screw it, I wasn't on the I Hate JJ Bandwagon after his Superman script. I always liked the dude's work being a huge fan of Alias. He did a great job with MI3. Let him direct X4. And let him inject new blood into the whole mix. Get rid of Paquin as Rogue. Bring in a woman. Then bring in Vartan as Gambit. Age Bobby to make him older. Keep Kitty as she was the best in X3. Make Wolverine bad assed again, and switch Halle Berry with Gina Torres. Fuck Halle Berry. I hate how sloppy that bitch approaches her craft. You would think after winning an Oscar she would put more effort into becoming a better actress. The only reason she kept spinning around was to sell the inevitable "Spinning Action Storm" action figure that will pop up at Toys R' Us soon. And turn Pepper Dennis back into Mystique. If not JJ, get Alex Proyas.
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I knew i would not like it as much but i was hoping i would like it as a guilty pleasure like i did for Batman Forever. I will never see this again. This isn't bad b/c it does not follow the comics, it's bad b/c it's just a badly made film. I guess i blame the script. Also the into with the mutant cells was good but then going to the microscopes was lame.
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X1 and X2 were not fucking brilliant pieces of filmmaking. They were not perfect. And both movies are really a chore to sit through a second time. They were both on FX today and I watched for like 10 mins and changed the channel without thinking. And Superman Returns = King Kong. All hype and nonsense and it will probably be a boring camp fest with a few great moments thrown in.
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That's kinda stupid. Rogue didn't give up her powers because she's giving in to suit the normal people. She did it for herself because her mutant abilities inconvenienced her and what she really wanted. Sure it would kick ass to be Magneto or Wolverine or some other guy with cool abilities... but it's all about how you weigh it out in the long term. Some people can live with it, others cannot. And frankly I'm with the crowd that believes that if some asshole mutant is ging to go around killing people and starting shit, they deserve to have those powers removed or hampered if they can't be responsible or control them. That's something I liked about this film. That they showed different situations that involve these mutant cure ethics, whether it's using the cure forcibly on Mystique or Magneto, where mutants who aren't happy with their powers, like Rogue or hell even someone who's furry (How many of you guys would find and ape-woman attractive? Hell we got normal ugly people as it is who feel down about it) and of course there are those who rise above it, so they can suit themselves... Now the more I think about it, I'm liking this movie a lot better...
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And that was Xavier's mental hampering of Jean's powers...
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Harry's entitled to his opinion, but if asked, I'd suggest you ignore everything he's said about this particular movie. There's no "weakness" here that's not in every other X-men movie. This was a good movie and worth full price.
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So is Superman Returns going to be a panel-by-panel recreation of the comics?
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.........what am I basing my assessment of Supes fanbase? Hmmmm.....let's see... Superman 1 and 2 were released between 1977 and 1982 (I'm not certain of the exact dates. X-men 1 and 2 were released in 2000 and 2003. Soooo if we're to extrapolate (just ofr argument's sake) the the current age of the desirable demographic that Studios are/were aiming for or marketing to, when the respective franchises were launched, (i.e the early teens-to-Tweeners-to-early thirties demographic), then the most likely age of majority audience that were looking forward to the respective sequels, starting with X3 this past weekend (and who most likely packed the theatres and returned for repeat viewings and brought along friends... for X3, that is)....is ....still ...early-teens-to-Tweeners-to-
Early/mid-thirties. Let's not forget that this isn't just the most desirable demographic because they have the most recent familiarity with the source material ( the previous movies and of course comics, but to a lesser degree), but also because they are the ones with the most spending power. On the other hand extrapolating along the same line of reasoning, for the Superman franchise, the most likely age of the demographic similarly anticipating Superman based-off of fan familiarity with the previous movies and actors would be....hmmmm.....mid-to-late-fourties and possibly early fifties! ( I avoided factoring Superman 3 and 4 for obvious reasons). Sure, that demographic also has coin to spend, but it's not exactly the kind of demographic Studios aim for when they release movies, probably because they also know it's not the kind of demographic that is likely to return for multiple repeat viewings no matter how good the movie is and particularly because the actors or specificallly THE actor that defined that franchise, through-and-through passed away ever so recently. Why else do you think it is that they re-cast this "sequel" so much younger despite the fact that that puts the movie at odds with the over-all story-arc that presumes we're 5 or 6 years ahead of were we previously left off (Oh yeah, about that; Bryan Singer and eventually backed of the claim that this sequel will be a straight sequel to Superman 2 once he relized there was no way you're selling a story 5 years into the future with characters who've de-aged 5 or more years backwards, so now it's only "loosely" based or "loosely" connected to the previous 2 Superman movies; it's like they tried to have their cake and eat it too - i.e re-boot the franchise to bring in a new audience while claiming to be making a sequel ( and even casting a Christopher Reeve look-alike) so as not to piss off the original fans.). But what about the fact that Superman is the most popular Superhero in America., you say? Well, that version of Superman is to most fans defined by the character played by Christopher Reeve, and he's dead. And even to the fans not familiar (on a first-hand basis) with the Reeve Superman, are familiar with comic book versions all influenced by him and in all likelyhood, nothing like the version that Bryan Singer willbe trying to sell. In any case I strongly believe that America's favourtie Superhero ( of the younger generation and more important demogaphic anyway) is Spiderman and not Superman; as his movie an its sequal proved at the B.O. a couple of years ago. Regardless, it's not rocket science that Superman Returns will essentially be starting over in terms of creating a new generation of movie-going fans (just as X1 had to a few years ago, and hence the disparity between X3 B.O. take with X1 relatively weak take,), and thus in that regard alone, already face somewhat of an uphill battle with unfamiliar fans or non-fans (i.e. fans of the original or non-comicbook reader fans), and one that X3 didn't have to face even with a new director, widely considered to be a 'hack' on board. If X3 bashers are going to dismiss its record take as being the result of a built-in fanbase more than the quality of the movie, then the lack of of said built-in or established movie fanbase for Superman Returns also becomes a valid deterrent to its (hoped for) record-breaking B.O. success; regardless of its quality as well. Like I said, it's not rocket science. But even if all the math of demographics, fan-ages, and fan-familiarity with source material is a bit much for you, you still have to account for the fact that this movie opens the weekend before Pirates of the Caribbean 2 ( a movie that is probably the only other more highly anticipated movie than both X3 and Supes Returns - again, that built-in familiar fanbase rearing its ugly head, from the sequel of a recently successful tentpole and spin-off of very successful and widely-known ride at Disneyworld); and if you seriously think that that fact will not affect its B.O. take, in the least, then you either don't know the dynamics of B.O. finances, or you're smoking some seriously good stuff that you need to share with the rest of us. Oh and guess what? Piratesis targeting the exact same demographic as Superman Returns wheareas this weekend X3 faces 'The Break-up', which as we all know skews more towards the more adult-demographic. WB essentially got screwed when they had to schedule the Supes release in between the X3 and the Pirates release. Summer Blockbusters sandwiching between 2 or more other hits just basically never do as well as expected; which is why Lucas always positioned his Star Wars babies as early in the summer as possible and everyone else stayed the heck away from him. I think WB were better off not blinking and goind head-to-head with X3, but even they probably knew that that fanbase/demographis issue was always going to bite them in the butt. -
Agreed. Of course the guy is allowed to disagree, and that's OK...but that doesn't mean that something doesn't smell fishy here. There's something else going on with this that we're not privy to.
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Somebody with more time and desire than I could easily re-write Harry's review of TLS as a review of X2. "A film that takes the ground-breaking 'God Loves, Man Kills" Stryker and turns him into a typical shadowy military, blah blah blah ... " You get the idea. The point would be, in this imaginary review, that the pedigree dictated a lot of Harry's The Last Stand review, which gave way to increased sensitivity over issues that would have gotten a pass otherwise.
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Why didn't Wolverine just take one of the cure darts and hit Jean with it, then just make her his girlfriend with no powers?
And why did Magneto get a free pass on jail after getting hit with the 4 darts of cure, which evidently didn't work totally on him?
Just curious. I like much of the movie, other than the obvious holes and also wish this movie had been fleshed out much, much more.
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i believe because jean grey was disintegrating everything around her even wolvie's clothes...therefore no way the darts would have made it all the way too her....o and i think magneto running away after being cured meant that he could have gotten across the bridge and hid out...and then when he was playin chess he was just an anonymous person no one recognized(i mean its a big world)
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Never read an X-men comic, just watched the cartoon. Thought the movie was better than the first two. Though X3 has it's problems, it was still fun to watch.
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Doubt they'd go that route with the Mags spinoff, but I'd buy the graphic novel in a heartbeat.
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The best way to do an X-Men movie for the fans would be in the same style as Final Fantasy: Advent Children. It would look badass, and you could finally do the characters and their powers justice. It wouldn't look unbelievable like trying to set it in a 'real world'. Instead you could create a realistic looking X-Men universe, where shooting optic beams from your eyes can look and feel 'normal'. Can you imagine a huge battle with Apocalypse through a city with Rogue and Storm flying, a proper fastball special, and Cyclops unleashing from the ground. Oh yeah! Check out Advent Children if you need further proof!
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It was fun. Loved Sir Ian, Patrick Stewart. Hated the costume design on the dark mutants, esp Pheonix. Wish there was more character development. But one never knows in a movie like this if too much character development will slow the story down...Ya gotta figure people who follow the comic books/movies know who those character are and people who don't follow the comic books need to be engaged in the story. Thumbs up for a summer fun popcorn movie. The first two are very enjoyable, good solid movies but I wouldn't exactly put them in my "beloved" catagory.
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I liked it, but it was a forgettable film.
It just rang a little hollow for me. Enjoyable, but just kinda whatever. Plus, when Phoenix destroyed people...I couldn't help but think of the silly movie, Lawnmower Man! I was waiting for her to yell "Ha! A back door!" And then pixelate out of the scene. -
BTW: Isn't Juggernaut's power generated from his mystical helmet, not from mutant based sources? Therefore, being near the Cure kid wouldn't affect him one way or the other, right?
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Really liked it as amatter of fact. Not thrilled, however with Wolverine crying. But not bad at all.
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Wolvy Cried in X1 and X2. Did you have issues with that?
There is no magic in this world of X-men, just mutant powers, so turning Juggy into a mutie aint an issue.
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A special edition cut of the trilogy with that and the cut Gambit scene from X2. I'd buy it.
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In X2, Magneto used his powers to take a small amount of metal to form pinball sized weapons that he could use to destroy his prison and kill every guard in his escape path. In X3, while standing on a bridge worth of metal and in front of a building of steel reinfoced concrete and guard towers made of metal, he decided to just toss a parking lot worth of flaming cars that blew up real good, but didn't seem to really accomplish much.
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SPOILERS FUCKOS!
Where to start?
The Bad.
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i saw it thursday/friday at midnight and again on saturday. and i'm gonna have to see it again probably later on this week and i'm still excited. actually today i went to see MI3 (which was actually pretty freakin awesome) and there was a trailer for XmenTLS and the trailer still got me excited like it did before the film came out. i seriously think this film came the closest to being a the x-men film i wanted to see on the big screen. the other two effected me in in two completely different ways. but this one was definetly the one i'd have loved as a twelve year old kid. and that makes it the best.
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someone might have said that already but i thought i'd share that info
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....yes, you're right that is a lot of talking. But in light of the fact that the person I was responding to asked for an explanation, I fail to see where the problem is. But then again it couldn't have hurt you to read it rather than just gasping at the length. That way you might ahve noticed that nowhere did I mention that nobody knows who Superman is. I believe it's called reducing the other side's position to a completely unrelated and easy to debunk position; also known as the Straw-man fallacy. What I did argue was that the target fans for Superman Returns may not be as intimately familiar with the previous movies as the X-men 3 fans were ( with X1 and X2) due to the length of time between the this latest sequel and the prior movie in both cases. But since you probably never read that far into my post, I can understand how you would miss the point, or more specifically over-simplify it like you did. On the subject of Smallville fans providing the fanbase, were you referring to those same Smallville fans who were livid that Tom Welling was passed over for the role of Superman in favour ofr Brandon Ruoth? Those Smallville fans? This is not to say that they wouldn't watch the film, but to bank on them to be the ones to drive Supes' B.O. take to X3 levels is rather brave to say the least. But you're right, we'll see after 6/30/06. Although I get the gut feeling that I wouldn't be debating anyone or even seeing anyone around that time. Oh, and next time I'll try to keep it short and sweet, seeing as how these long posts seem so frightful for you.
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A scene in which Wolvy goes back to that Bar from X1. They even rehired the original bartender. I also read that they cut a fight between Juggernaut and Colossus. Short and mean but cut. Also if you look at the trailers and compare them to the final flick you'll notice quite a few things missing loke Kitty and iceman kissing after their skate. Storm drenching the Muties with a tidal wave, a few more things that would have stretched the movie to 2 hours. i believe it was trimmed to get as many viewings in at the Box-office as possible.
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= to a good movie does not compute...hell, look what "Home Alone" did....X2 comes across as "citizen kane" compared to this ass muncher
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If not never seen that pic of Colossus, but i did see one of him consoling his little sister after Prof X's death. as I've also seen one of Storm consoling Kitty after X's death. Yeah lots cut despite what Ratner claims.
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"It's a goddam tragedy."
Darfur is a tragedy. Rwanda is a tragedy. The Cambodian killing fields are a tragedy.
This is a so-so sequel to a movie based on a FUCKING COMIC BOOK.
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That wasn't the Dark Phoenix, that was the Goblin Queen. I figured they had three directions to go to bring back Jean. Either as a.) the Phoenix Force manifesting a human form and losing control (as in Claremont and Byrne's original saga) or b.) as Jean with an immensely powerful secondary mutation (as in Morrison and Quitely's New X-Men) or c.) as an all-out evil replica like Madelyne Pryor/the Goblyn Queen from Inferno. Singer and co set it up for option b. In the first movie, Jean was hit by Magneto's mutating ray thingy and started to gain more and more power. In the second movie, she become even more powerful, manifesting the "Phoenix Force" at the end. Obviously, she was going to come back with a secondary mutation and lose control that way. Instead, the screenwriters took the easy way out and turned "Phoenix" into a split personality, and the fiery Phoenix Force became a black oil possession thing. Much like Madelyne Pryor's transformation into the Goblin Queen. Moriarty was almost right in that her Goblyn Queen makeup effects were strangely beautiful, and would be great in an adaptation of Inferno, but her Phoenix effects, the fiery bird form, the TK talons, the flaming eyes seen in X-2, were nowhere to found. And instead of losing control of the power and almost turning evil but ultmately sacrificing herself to save everyone after being confronted by her one true love (that would be Cyclops), she lashed out like a spoiled child because her powers were held in check, killed Cyclops and Xavier and was taken out by Wolverine like a garden variety supervillain. No one's asking for a straight comic adaptation. No Shi'ar or M'Kraan crystal or disintegration ray on the Moon. Hell, she could have overcome the Dark Phoenix for a moment and telekinetically injected herself with a cure cartridge while bringing a building down on top of her herself or something. It's not hard, but it a fuck of a lot more complex and emotionally satisfying than what was in the movie. That said, it was merely a mediocre flick with several lazy missteps, but the action scenes and set pieces were well realized, and some of the cameo characters were great. Kitty Pryde was excellent, and the guy they found to play Madrox needs to get his own noirish X-Factor TV spinoff stat. Aside from the slightly uncovincing wire work, Kelsey Grammer was spot-on as the Beast. Olivia Williams and Shoreh Agdashloo were utterly wasted, Ben Foster looked like Angel, but the character was simply not necessary, Halle Berry actually equated herself well and would have done better in the other two movies if they'd given her more to do in the first place, but coming at the sacrifice of Cyclops is inexcusable. The most unintentionally funny line of the whole movie belonged to Patrick Stewart: "Obviously, she survived by wrapping herself in a coccoon of telekinetic energy". The entire theater broke up over that one. It wasn't much different from the pointless liberties taken with the characters in the first two movies, but it was slipshod and strong together with less care for the overall effect. Parts of it looked pretty, but it didn't hold together. It's a shame the franchise had to end on that note, but they never got it quite right to begin with, so I just went along and enjoyed it as much as I could. A pity that it was so much work.
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Some Spoilers*****Interview after interview I heard Ratner and others connected with the movie say that they didn't make this movie focused just on the Phoenix saga because there wasn't enough to fill an entire movie. The funny thing is that I felt this part of the movie was totally not flushed out enough. I am not even talking from an X-Men comics fan's perspective. I never read the Dark Phoenix saga, but the second movie and the beginning of this movie set up for much more of a story. The Phoenix saga takes front stage for about 20 minutes in the middle and really isn't really addressed until the end. Phoenix doesn't even do anything other than stand emotionless for about a good 30-40 minutes. I felt they had two potentially great stories in this movie - "The Cure" and "Dark Phoenix". The problem is we get a diluted version of both. I would have liked to see more of the conflict between mutants who embrace the cure (Rogue)vs. ones who think it is an abomniation (Storm). They could have made more of Rogue's struggle with her discisions or the weak attempt at a love triangle with here Bobby and Kitty. I also felt other than a few of the mutants following Magneto, they were too generic and only mutant powers were either looking like mutants or being able to jump. If they went in the Phoenix direction, they could have taken much more from the comics without some of the stuff that was hokey. There was far more story to tell there than there was in the main story arch of either of the first two movies and they seemed to make them work. I really think this movie suffers from the kitchen sink philosophy. There is too much in there and nothing is flushed out. I know they wanted to go out in a big way, but a single overlying story would have made it a stronger movie. Besides, with the huge box office it has done so far, I am guessing this isn't really the last movie.
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And therefore I must admit I am a little suspect of the studio if they decided to cut a lot of what was filmed out. The genius of X2 was in the details and the small scenes. This movie had all the pieces and I was entertained throughout; it was great. But there wasn't enough room to explore each of the mutants, to give even the major ones more than a cursory glance. It's always a struggle with the franchise since you try to fit in as many as you can, and the first two had problems with it as well. If from here they do a series of spinoffs that are able to focus on less than 75 mutants, I might actually like that a bit more than an X4. A Wolverine movie, sure, but also a movie featuring Kitty, Iceman, Colossus, Rogue, Pyro, and Gambit...another one focusing on Xavier at Moira's...I don't know, the possibilities are endless. Don't get me wrong though; I liked X3 a lot. It's just getting me excited for the future.
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Not as bad as I feared or as good as I hoped. Needed another pass at the script, and someone who knows how build a moment emotionally behind the camera. But Wolverine had good asspants. Asspants.
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It seemed like the seeds had been planted and they came in and retconned a new explanation. Its a shame that thread was dropped since it helped tie the movies together. Also, in X2, it was implied that Xavier knew Wolverine's history and kept it hidden for some reason - that was dropped. The two weaknesses of the film seem to be uneven pacing and a lack of logic. One minute they're closing the school, the next they're re-opening. One minute they're against the cure and the next they defend the factory and actually use the cure againt Magneto, a weapon whose existence they morally oppose. One minute Jean is out of control dematerializng the Prof and the next she is easily led away by Magneto. Along the lines of nit-picks I submit the following: When they showed up at the Grey house, why didn't Xavier just knock out Magneto's backup? They werent wearing helmets (well, Juggs was, but not a magic Magneto helmet). When Jean was going crazy in sick bay with Logan how come Xavier didnt notice or sense her waking up? Wasn't he in the house somewhere? Why was there a "Dragonball" moment in the middle of the big battle where everyone just seemed to stand by and watch as Iceman fought Pyro? And what was magento's bug plan anyway? Were they gonna kill leech? Or kidnap him? He seemed to indicate that Jean was his secret weapon, but what was he planning on having her do? And since she was so powerful, why didn't he just have her take out all the soldiers right away instead of letting half his armay get "cured"? (I assume the writers had him do that just to show us what a dick he is.) Why was Rogue training in the Danger room? She has no useful powers, and everyone else has to spend time protecting her. And in all these years at the school she hasn't learned to control her powers at all. Some of these are just nits, but there were enough of them that they started to bother me. It still bothers me that Magento's plan form the first x-men movie was contingent on using Rogue to power the machine but how could he know she even existed and what powers she had? I can't remember if that was ever explained. I'm tired and cranky. Goodnight.
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.....I'm not the one that said that Superman Returns is not in fact a true sequel. I was actually quoting or rather paraphrasing the DIRECTOR, you know, that guy called Bryan Singer? The one directing the film.The one who incidentally had also initially said that it was going to be filmed as a sequel ( during pre-production) and then later on changed tune and stated that it was not. Unless of course you weren't religiously following all those Production Blogs and diary entries that Harry was providing all along like a good little fanboy should. But nice try there, sport; B+ for effort. Only next time remember that reading is only one third the battle. You actually have to understand what you've just read and then know what the hell you're talking about in responding. But Don't worry, though, you're getting there.........we've made much much progress in this brief exchange;what, with going from beign able to read long posts to including quotes of said passages in your response ( even though you misunderstood the actual quotes; one word - context! But like I said, nice try)
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When you have mutants with so many powers like that, some of them seemingly ridiculously powerful, you're going to come up with questions like that. The first two scripts had problems with that too, although maybe they masked it a little better. The point is that it's impossible to avoid. Especially with casts this large. The first movie had the Cyclops bit..."I don't have a shot...still don't...still don't...okay nothings changed but now I do." The second one had the "I'm Jean and I can move things with my mind...but for some reason I have to get off the jet to stop the water. And then I'll turn the jet back on and make it work again when I could've just done that in the first place. And then the jet will keep working after I die." You can drive so many tractor trailers of logic through that climax scene, its insane. And yet on its strengths, it's one of my favorite movies.
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to play Superman. And by the way, I thought X-Men III was great. Not as good as it's predecessors, but entertaining, nonetheless. Now onward and upward to Superman Returns.
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"We don't need any fucking explanation" ...says Tom Rothman in one of his holy 'parameters.' "The fucking audience won't know the difference." That's the basic tenant of everything in this movie, and its so-called "characterization" -- regardless of any relationship to "source material." And the saddest thing is, Rothman judged right. Most of the idiots that still fill multiplexes don't know, and don't care. About anything. Sad.
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in one movie he wants to turn all the humans into mutants; by the next movie he's getting all pissed off because the humans want to do exactly the opposite. Hasn't he ever heard "what's good for the goose"...etc.?
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Good God... what an unmitigated disaster. I feel ashamed for contributing to this movie's opening weekend.
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can we all agree on that?
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I see no BLACK posts in this talkback. No futile attempts to conclude "success has nothing to do with quality" or similar nonsense. How quickly you have been made a coward.
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it is fox after all-and i'm sure it will have lot's of extra scenes.
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popular doesn't mean good. though i am stumped as to how this movie is doing so well. even my twin sister, who usually skews to lame Matthew Mcconaughey flicks, was absolutely nuts about seeing it. i think it has something to do with the Memorial Day weekend, Hugh Jackman, the "final" chapter plot (yeah right), and the fact that FX has been showing the first two films nonstop for the past two months.
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... when it comes to a film's quality. Unfortunately people don't see it that way. They think "what sells" and "what is popular" is good. It's like when a musician brags about going platinum. What does that really mean regarding the quality of the music? Jack! Anybody can have a catchy single in the club or on the radio. That doesn't mean it's good. Heck, The Empire Strikes Back made the least out of all the Star Wars movies and it is clearly the best of the series. NSync has sold more records than the Temptations but trying to compare the quality of NSync to the Temptations is like trying to compare Batman & Robin to Batman Begins. Sure X3 made a mint this weekend but it wasn't because it was good. A film's quality is determined after it's been viewed- after the ticket's been bought. The only correlation between ticket sales and film quality is on repeat viewings and a film's staying power weeks after its release. People flocked in to see X3 this weekend because of Fox's aggresive ad campaign, the strength of X1 and X2, and it being Memorial Day Weekend. Is this so hard to understand people? People I know who don't even regularly go to see movies went and saw X3. It couldn't help but be an opening weekend hit. But ask people what they thought about it. Truthfully speaking- most of the regular movie goers I know/ geeks thought the movie was a giant bust! But those folks who have no real prior love of XMen and who decided to check the movie out off GP thought it was good. I don't know what to make of all this. All I know is that I love X-Men, and this movie infuriated me to the nth degree.
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Which suprised me to no end, as I went thinking it would really suck. I went again a second time, and liked it even more. I acept the overall arc as flawed, and don't expect to see everything from the comics. There were enough good moments for me to get enough out of it, and I'm pretty picky, having worked on the animated version of X-Men ; EVO.
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"But Main Street's still all cracked and broken!" "Sorry Mom, the mob has spoken!" "Monorail.... Monorail.... MONORAIL!!!!"
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I went with a group that insisted on splitting when the credits started to roll! What happened in that end clip? Thank you for any info!
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SPOILERS- remember when Prof. X was lecturing his students early on in the film about the ethics of say taking over the mind of someone clinically braindead or something like that. You know, the guy who was in the hospital bed. Well, at the end of the credits you basically see that Xavier transfered his mind to that person. Basically what this scene did was say that Prof. X was indeed not dead and thereby leaving the door open for a possible return in future movies.
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It was a quick scene where Moria walked into the room with the man that was born with no brain fuction that Xavier was telling the students about. She went in to check on him and he turned and spoke. He said Hello Moria, and she said was startled and said 'Charles". Then it went off. prof X had transferred his counsciousness into the body.
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Sorry guys who hate this movie, but the point is these movies weren't made for us. If it was left to the fanboys it'll probably be a mess of a movie. The colorful costumes, and Shiar, M'kraan crystal, the blue area of the moon. Jeez people get a gripe. the movie was fine. Sure it was a heck of a stray from the comics, but I liked it and felt it was a solid enough picture. Of course it had flaws but it didn't stop me from enjoying the movie. I think the mainstream audience has spoken and they like it. The theater cheered at points and everyone that i can tell wasn't complaining and people weren't getting up walking and yelling the film sucks. Some did yell out at the end that it was shyt that Prof X, Cyke and jean was dead. He seemed quite upset and shouted why'd they kill half the team. it looksl ike the non fans are the ones this movie was made for, but with the true fans in mind they did good enough.
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Think before you speak. You undermine the integrity of this site with your verbal diarrhea and your broken shift key.
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Now look, I liked this movie. And I'm glad to hear it made a bunch of money because I want them to make more X-Man movies. But past that I don't see why the fuck we should care. I'm not getting a piece of that so it's not any of my business. I think people who obsess over this stuff are insane, it's like memorizing the times of TV shows that you don't watch. Or reading stock reports when you don't own any stocks. It has no value. It doesn't prove anything about the quality of the movie since all these people in the talkbacks who hated the shit out of the movie paid money to see it. Just because people bought tickets doesn't mean they liked it. And even if they did like it that wouldn't prove anything. Many horrible, horrible things have been popular. Take for example whatever song is the most popular in the US right now. I don't know what it is but I got a good guess it's shit. America's Funniest Home Videos was the highest rated TV show for years. I mean come on. Let's all agree to have the courage of our own convictions instead of trying to back up our opinions with a popularity contest or a pile of money. And by the way while I'm at it, is anybody else sick of seeing writers refer to "tentpole" movies? A tentpole is a movie that a studio expects to be their big moneymaker to help pay for the other movies they make that year. It's a business term. If you're someone who sells movies as a consumer product, you use that term. If you're someone who goes to watch those movies and hopes to be entertained or inspired, you don't. the end.
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Spoilers. I actually liked the movie, and it was probably the best third movie of any of the superhero franchises. I personally don
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Only suckers pay for movies.
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Ratner had big shoes to fill and he did an admirable job. That being said, it was hurtful to see so many absolutely great X-Men storylines reduced to quick, soon to be forgotten, scenes. I went in with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
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X3 @ 11.20
Da Vinci @ 1.20
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No, it wasn't near as good as X2, but it was decent. I do see where people are coming from though, in that the movie did feel just kind of flat and inconsistant. While all the scenes do technically progress the film's story, they just don't seem to gel together the way X1 and X2 did. To me it's sort of similar to the Star Wars prequels vs OT. When you think back after watching the movies, with the OT each movie's narrative can be divided up into very clear and consistant scenes and themes. IE Empire starts off on Hoth, the empire attacks, the rebels flee, Luke goes to dagobah and trains while Han and co evade the empire, they all end up on Bespin and LUke and Vader slap their schwartz together a few times. Each scene has a definitive and consistant visual tone that sticks in your mind. THen when you think of say, Aotc, it's much different. There is no visual consistancy, there is no narrative consistancy. The film jumps from planet to planet, from character to character, in 5-10 minute bursts. Same shit with X3, it tells the story it needs to tell but it jumps around so much and the scenes are all so brief that it doesn't involve the way it should.
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The supreme intelligence had it coming. I tell you what though, If I prefer my personality to his, then yes I think I think he could learn a thing or two from me. Besides, I'm not convinced of the stories surounding his death. I just don't think it's all been told or revealed properly.
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Typically movies are 'justified' using their awards or their money. Outside of LOTR, very few geek/genre films win major awards (obviously they usually grab the technical awards). That just leaves the money as the barometer for measuring how successful a film is. Of course, movies can become successful after they fail at the box office (Shawshank Redemption and Office Space come immediately to mind), but as a general rule, the more cash it makes the more successful it is. Doesn't make it a great movie if it pulls in the bucks, but at least it eliminates the possibility of it being a bad movie. And the large majority of people prefer to be on the side of popular. Wisdom of Crowds, man. "My wife has been quite insistent on the matter of the money. 'Where is the money? When are you going to get the money? Why aren't you out getting the money now?' and so on."
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http://www.filmthreat.com/index.php?section=reviews&Id=9016
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It was a lot of fun. Admittedly, my standards for enjoying movies are probably lower than a lot of people's (so that I can enjoy things more, rather than be bitter and disappointed that they didn't meet some pre-conceived expectatons), but there was a lot to like and a lot to love here, and easily as good as X1. And, like all the movies, lots of good stuff, amazing effects, and inspired choices to focus on. Famke Jansen was excellent as Phoenix, and most of the Phoenix effects rocked--sure, too bad she never almost destroys the planet (or, more movie-scaled, a city) but she was great. Kelsey Grammer as Beast was, differences from the comics aside (and I never cared that much about Beast in the comic) pitch-perfect. And the decision to have beast deliver the "final" blow to Magneto was, IMHO, equally inspired. Lots of indications the mutan cure is not permanent, though--don't see how anybody could miss that. And what a groovy story that would be, Magneto down to a class-1 or class-2 mutant. Wolverine is, indeed, tamed, and maybe Xavier is at the heart of it: Phoenix as much as said so, it would be consistent with what Xavier pretty much said he was going to do in the first movie, it makes sense. And the skin getting ripped from Wolverine as he regenerates as he approached Jean . . . that rocked. Just lots of good stuff here. And, several times, my 8-year old daughter turned to me and said, "That's cool!", which is really the ultimate endorsement for a movie like this. Finally, the battle between Storm and Callisto wasn't bad, and the amount of mutants wasn't a big problem. The absence of Nightcrawler was too bad, and it certainly could have been longer. And more Kitty Pryde! Otherwise, I'm stoked, and will go see it again.
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I was dragged to a matinee and sat there stunned the entire time. When Xavier was killed, I got up instantly, asked for my money back and saw "Thank you for smoking" instead. Bryan Singer is the only person involved with this film with a brain by also leaving it.
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Sure, it was entertaining, but really that isn't saying much when you are dealing with the Xmen. The movie was actually worse than the sum of its parts.
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Seriously, what happened to her? She's gotten so homely and her face is now as perfectly round as a basketball. Shudder.
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Bryan Singer did not leave THIS movie. His X3/X4 was something altogether different.
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all suck, I don't believe in hating on any kind of fans but you guys give me and other people reason to flat out tell you all that you are all laaaammmmmmeeeeee. You all talk about how Rothman, Ratner, and even Singer can't even produce anything but if it wasn't for them, especially Singer, none of you would have ANYTHING to complain about since there wouldn't be 2 X-Men sequels and a Superman film. Hell b/c of Singer there are 2 not 1 but TWO!!! comic book films coming out in the same summer! Now all you guys can do to put down the guy is to say he is gay, which I could probably talk in another post all day long about your guys own insecurities. Basically, to sum it all up, since most of you are pretty much losers and the only way you can be heard is through this talk back, maybe if you got laid you would understand what some of the dumb $h!+ coming out of your mouth. Just do all of us a favor next time and please think before you type and at least give some credit where credit is due. But hey just like what I am doing right now, it's all your opinion and frankly it's entertaining reading all your idiotic views.
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Why do you think Bobby was making the moves?
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You say "Doesn't make it a great movie if it pulls in the bucks, but at least it eliminates the possibility of it being a bad movie". Thanks for that, the single dumbest thing I have heard all month.
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It's refreshing to see you review a movie with such a critical eye. Honestly, it would've been nice to see reviews like this for the absolute disasters that were the Star Wars prequels. If only you held all movies to such standards, your reviews would be much more creditable.
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Haven't you read through this talkback? I'm sure I've said at least ten things stupider than that. You need to get your standards re-examined.
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if you were a real fan of the X franchise...you would think this flick dropped the ball as well. Yes, as a stand alone movie it was entertaining but you have to admit there was a better more thoughtful movie in there if Fox had not been pressed to deliever a movie by the May 29th date. Plus, this is America and we all know shit makes money but I will bet this movie drops like a big ole rock next week!
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First, let's get something straight. X-men 1 & 2 were good not great. Cyclops was never protrayed as the leader he is in the comics. Halle Berry as Storm, damn near unwatchable. Wolverine was baby sitting in the first two movies as well. You get the same thing in the third movie. A cardboard Cyclops, a nurse maid Wolvie, and a bad acting Storm.You can't blame Ratner for that becuase that's what Singer left him with. People are complaining about how Logan is protrayed ( watered down) in this film but I don't see an issue. At least Ratner has Jean address it by saying, Xavier's has tamed him through tampering with his mind.(Something that has been brought up in the comic's from time to time) As for Xavier's statement," I don't have to explain myself, least of all to you." I think it fits with how Xavier is protrayed in "CANON" ie., the comics, and I like him better when he is protrayed as somewhat of a idealogicalistic bastard.It gives him a much needed edge. The statement is not out of character at all. Also, in the movie, no one really knows if Scott is dead. Logan believes him to be but Jean never really say's what happened to him and we don't really see it on screen. They just thing he is. The death's fit right in with how they do things in the comic. Scott, Xavier, Jean and many other's have all died, only to reappear later. Xavier's death and rebirth was handled quite well. They laid the foundation of his rebirth earlier in the film, when he was instructing some of his student's. They did it in such a way that I totally forgot about it, so when I saw the footage after the credits it had real weight to it. Him transferring his consciousness to someone else has been done in the comics before as well. To Harry and all the haters. As far as Magneto being powerless at the end, if you watch the movie, he actually movies the chess piece with out touching it. Meaning the cure may not be permanent. To Harry and all the haters, get off your soap boxes. This movie was just as enjoyable as the previous two before it. No better but no worse also. Singer didn't knock any of his versions outta the park either. Harry you just want to whine and cry because you felt your vision for the franchise wasn't gonna get made, who knows, maybe that's a good thing. Your arguments are weak at best. Singer's an ok film maker not great. His best work was the Usual Suspects and how long ago was that. He did nothing original or groundbreaking with either X-men film and he isn't doing anything groundbreaking with Superman either. With Superman, he has a chance to do something totally original, but what does he do, he uses old plots, old music, and old intepretations of characters, which we've already seen in Superman 1 & 2. Singer is just another reliable film maker just like Ratner, no better, no worse.
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and say that i liked x3. not quite as much as x2 but better than x1 and, as someone whose read the comics, i thought it was a pretty good interpretation of the dark phoenix and mutant cure storylines. it would've been better to hand it over to joss whedon, of course, but ratner did a decent job so credit where credit's due. and to all the folks who wonder whether cyclops is 'really' dead, the answer is: no, he's just a fictional character, remember? whether he's really dead depends on the next x-men movie, if there is one. anyone whose read the x-men comics knows that there's a zillion and one ways for characters to come back from the dead: flash-fried by a nuclear blast? shattered into a thousand diamond fragments? no problem. even if cyclops was atomized, i'm sure they could think of a way to resurrect him. and jean grey can always come back. she's the phoenix, for christsake.
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There were no comic book nerds in the group of friends I saw it with. I don't like comic books myself, although I am a big fan of superhero movies. Anyway, it doesn't matter how familiar you are with the source material, a bad movie is a bad movie. And those of us with standards didn't like it, while those of us who enjoy every piece of crap that Hollywood churns out loved it. A lot of people just don't have the foggiest idea of what good storytelling is.
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After Rogue reveals to Bobby that she was "cured", Bobby had a look on his face that can best be translated as, "Er, yeah, baby, about that. It's nice that you did all that for me, but the thing is, well you know. I mean, just look at Kitty. You see, she's young and hot and you're, well, kind of weathered. It's not you, it's me. I say go reverse your powers if you can..."
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issue with that statement. I checked: the average IMDB score of movies making $250 mill+ domestic (a category X3 should fall into) is 7.597. That's likely statistically significant (I don't have the median or mean for all movies, but I'm guessing both should be close to 5.5) and therefore we can state that movies making more than $250 million are unlikely to suck. We can't say they're great, though, because the numbers don't support that. BTW, X-3 is currently sitting at 7.2. I expect it to drop to 7.0 by the time it's done, at which point the average would drop slightly to 7.581.
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Damn that girl was all kinds of cute. What Rogue needed was a cure for her crooked teeth.
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You get too aggressive, poof, you're falling through her to the ground. Actually, that would've been funny.
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Wait, WHAT? First of all, out of all the people who liked the film, you decided to pick a fight with yours truly? What did I do? Second of all, where did I ever say I liked 'X3?'
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May 30, 2006 9:34:37 AM CDT
Do we have time to stop at Jean Grey's and kill Prof X?
by brandloyalist
Then we can go skating! Movie had much to give to fans, in its clumsy semi-heretical way, but I believe the script may have been written by Master Mold, who you may recall tried his hand at screenwriting in Uncanny #247. Played like an outline of itself much of the time... and the sub-cartoonish dialog, auggh. And what a non-descript crowd of evil mutants there at the end... they apparently had powers like a super right-cross, super circle-kick, etc. Where were the energy discharges in like 8 different colors... how expensive is that? Star Trek had the cost of energy blast effects down to $200/minute by the end of Enterprise. Too bad it costs like a million per second to show Ice-Man iced over... that alone was worth the price of a matinee ticket. (But where was the ice-up "rainbow" sound?)
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Does the Xavier being alive inside that body ending mean that if Stewart returns to the role, he'll just be doing voice work? Hmm. Would an audience accept that cheesy? They'll probably have a stupid time travel deal... if so, I will get ill.
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how an athlete performs is a lot different than how a movie "performs". keeping tabs on how often a guy hits the ball in baseball makes sense, because people watch the game to see him hit the ball. it's not comparable to keeping track of movie grosses. people don't watch movies to see how much money they make (i hope).
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After reading Harry's negative review, I reluctantly went to the movie thinking it would be crap. I was amazed. The movie was great! Everyone I've talked to enjoyed it. I had a couple of story questions...the big one was wondering why Wolverine sticks Phoenix with his claws and not the mutant cure? Oh well, in the future I know that I can take Harry's reviews with a grain of salt. He was obviously paid to start a negative campaign against the moview....hummm, wonder why?
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While we could dismiss the "met the expectations" type of box office, record breaking box office is nothing to sneeze at. Even I had to say that about Revenge of the Sith, and I didn't care for that movie (though, I tried not to be a hater: God, you folks are tedious and self-important). One thing is certainly means is that a much larger audience than fan-boys and comic-geeks is being attracted to the franchise, and are going back more than once to see it. Could it have been better? Sure. So could most movies. Was Halle Berry more important than she needed to be and not a particularly good storm? Was the plastic Juggernaut suit a little off-putting? Yeah, I guess. But there was stuff that bugged me about the original Star Wars. Even more X1 and X2, none of which was any more satisfying in terms of characters and how they were handled and demonstrations of their powers than X3. Indeed, X3 had more of Ice Man icing things up and Kitty Pryde and even Colossus than either of the previous movies. While still not enough--hell, only Magneto has really gotten to show the full scope of his powers in all the films--there were some ways where X3 was better than the first two films, though still not good enough. Others--namely length, development of dramatic tension, and Storm--where it was less than the first two films. Both Rogue and Storm were mishandled (and, am I mistaken, or did Colussus have an accent in the 2nd movie--that is, the one line he spoke?). Missed opportunities from a Colossus/Juggernaut fight to how Dark Phoenix is done, but it's still a solid movie and the box office is one, very significant, indication of that. I mean, what is this: "It doesn't matter if it's popular, makes money, and everybody goes to see it and has a good time if _I_ don't like it!!!"? Even if you've got some particular art film you think represents what film _should_ be, most of the "independent" cinema, and certainly the distribution channels and the availability of companies, contractors, writers and actors that help make such "independent" films possible are financed by the box office of rubber-suited juggernauts like X3. Big box office is a significant achievement. Box office this impressive is a very significant achievement for the third film in a franchise, and poo-pooing because you don't like Halle Berry or Juggernaut's rubber suit is a bit myopic.
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Are always iffy. Even when he's right about a movie being good or bad, I don't find any of his reasons remotely relevant. And his reviews of X3 made me suspect the movie would actually be pretty good. And it actually was. But don't discount lowered expectations: if you don't expect a good movie to be good, when you see it and find that it's actually pretty good, you might like it a lot better than if you go expecting it to be great, and then it's just good--well, you might be disappointed. Let's put it this way: from a pure film perspective, this one is better than any of the Star Wars prequels. There. I said it, and it's true. And I went to see all those, too. Damned box office.
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but isn't the real indicator of a movie's success how much of a drop off it has in the second weekend?
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It really depends on what happens the following weekend. For example, DaVinci Code had a moderate drop-off ... but if it had been a non-holiday weekend, would it have dropped further (just counting Fri-Sun, but Sundays do better in holiday weekends because no work/school the next day)? What if The Break Up had opened this past weekend, etc? I think in the end the most honest measure is the final box office.
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Therefore, the success of X3 is a result of the goodwill built up by X1&2. Also, the StarWars prequels, while technically "successful", are miserable failures at the box office considering they were sequels to the original trilogy.
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If it falls off precipitously, it's a bad sign, although box office has been falling off faster and further for all big films more each year (one reason: multiplexes playing the new big film on five screens--I always used to be a third-weeker, because it was too damn crowded the first week; I remember having to stand to see "Back to the Future" when I went the second week because there was no way to get to the one open seat in the dark theater. That doesn't happen now--because, if it was released to day, "Back to the Future" would be playing at ten different theaters, on five screens each, for the first week. This tends to dramatize the fall off of second-week box office . . . but at $120 million, X3 is all-but-guaranteed to turn of a profit on domestic box-office gross alone, even if the fall off is dramatic (which I doubt--there was a lot of return viewers just this weekend for X3 to hit $120 mil). And this bodes well for strong international box-office that will probably outstrip X1 and X2, as well as DVD sales . . . The Rat delivered the goods for the suits, and made a reasonably fun and watchable movie that I would have been obsessive about in my tweens (even if I had claimed not to like it for it's disloyalty to comic book canon, I still would have gone to see it three times while complaining about how great I would have made it, had it been me). Which brings up another point about good, popular movies--most of the haters "love to hate", so to speak. How dull would their lives be if they weren't busy hating on something? They're getting their kicks, too, just like the folks who enjoy the film in a more straightforward manner. If not for X3, what would they have to be all snotty and superior about this week?
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Due to the hurried nature of this project AND since the story/production value was going to copy what Singer had established anyway... the producers should have hired both Ratner and Whedon to direct this. Ratner could stick with his big budget action and Whedon could have directed the character-driven and emotional moments. What a big expensive missed opportunity this was for Marvel (despite what the box office receipts may lead one to believe). When a character dies... if a director has done his job... that's supposed to resonate with the audience. We viewers should feel something and perhaps get the sniffles. Three major characters die in this film and I didn't feel a thing for any of them! That is criminal. Whedon would have made us care about these characters. Ratner just gave them the Lucas action figure treatment.
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It was just as good as the others and I liked them as well. Flawed, yes, but entertaining. Harry is carrying way to much baggage into this movie. I am now ready for Supes!!!!!
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Ever since the original Star Wars, I've always had an interest in how special/visual effects are done. So much so in fact, it's a wonder that I never went that direction in terms of a career. Now, I understand that this production was a little rushed and that maybe there wasn't enough time to devote to the effects... at least, as much as we fans would have liked. Still, I feel that the effects SHOULD not only be better, but that the effects should give us that wow-factor punch that I was yappin' about earlier (in this talkback). And I'd like to mention that I think that this movie had the potential to be the best of the trilogy. Judging by my own X3 movie experience over the weekend, I think that the screenplay was solid enough. But it's amazing what a little more length and excitement can do for some scenes... and how some emotional power can add to other scenes. And the bonus of this is that these... (if I may be so bold)... improvements... will actually feed each other, if you know what I'm saying. For every audience member, having an emotional investment will make the greatest of action scenes even more powerful. Just look at movie history for examples, if you like. (Every person who visits this web-site can think of several fine examples of good, if not great, action scenes that were far more powerful because of the story involved.) But I'm getting off-track, here. I just wanted to mention that Colossus, a character who has my favorite of the X-men powers, doesn't look ANYTHING like I imagined... in terms of how the character is visually represented on screen. I don't have a problem with the actor. I do, however, have a problem with the effects. Is it just me, or does he look like he's made of water when he powers up? I feel he should be chrome-like and shiny, like a T1000 Terminator (from "T2")... but with the silver banding, as we've seen in the comics over the years. So far, the character has lacked the punch he should have (so-to-speak). And ol' Jugg-head could use some improvement, too. As fast as Hollywood effects and computer animation improves upon itself, you'd think that they could've already improved a bit since "HULK" was released. Just keep the actor's head in a helmet and attach it to a computer animated body (via motion capture)... with some touches of body-animatronic close-ups, similarly to how the dinosaurs were made so convincingly in "JURASSIC PARK". Do you think that James Cameron would have been satisfied with these effects??? (I think we all know the answer to that one.) For me, the thing about this movie that makes me smile more than anything else... is the huge opening weekend. It says to Hollywood that there continues to be a huge market for the superhero genre. They'll just have to do it better if they want staying power at the box office. And I will continue waiting for that epic superhero flick... one that will rival the popularity of the original Star Wars when it was released in '77. With the opening weekend box office results for both "FANTASTIC FOUR" and "X3"... you would think that every major movie studio would be racing to improve the formula... and reach for the stars. Hopefully, it's not too far, far away.
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Wolverine gets Jean with his claws and not the cure because he was the only thing that could get close enough to her to stop her (seeing as he is indestructible an all). The plastic syringes the cure was stored in wouldn't have made it to within 10 feet of her. They showed us this a bit earlier in the same scene when she froze and then destroyed the 500 or so syringes that were fired at her by the army (just before she went all dark for the second time). My wife asked the same thing after we saw it. So yes, you are basically a girl that hates comic book movies.
Oh and Harry really needs to get off his high horse. The movie is far, far from terrible. It's not nearly as good as it could have been with some fine-tuning and a few more more script revisions - and I agree with Mori they need to not let the huge B.O. make this a trend - but the film is a solid piece of action popcorn filmmaking.
So boo-frickin-hoo they ruined the Phoenix saga/storyline. Who cares? The 2 million or so comic book fans that saw the movie anyways?
Here's a bit of breaking news... The other 10-15 million people that saw the film this weekend don't even know what the Phoenix storyline is!! Again I'll state the obvious. The studios are not making movies for you and your 500K geek friends Harry. When they do we get steaming pieces of shit like Daredevil. How you can love Daredevil with it's hackneyed fight choreography, awful, just god-awful direction and retarded effects and hate this film where Jean Grey lifts and crushes a house and Magneto tosses cars like grenades is beyond me. Oh wait no it's not - it's not because you have long ago shown that you are a tool that will support anything that your 'friends' make no matter how terrible (Cabin Fever anyone). Bet you're also looking forward to that awful looking Ghost Rider film as well (a fiery skeleton on a motorcycle...really??).
I hope Nic Cage's ridiculous toupee smothers you in your sleep.
And the funniest thing I read today...Harry saying in his first comment in this tankback that he hates "raging against something" in his first comment in this talkback. Since fucking when Harry - since fucking when??!! -
Not about my presumption that it would probably be a decent addition to the movie mythos. It was. The Cure storyline made perfect sense in the context of the first two films. And not about my insistence that Kelsey Grammer was perfectly cast as Beast. He was. And not about my guess that the Phoenix issue would be adapted to fit the mythos of the films. It was and quite well. They made no pretense of duplicating the storyline from the comics, yet they preserved the crux of the situation in a way that worked in the context of the larger story (someone with so much power that mankind and mutantkind are insignificant in her eyes got bored with their bickering and decided to end things...absolute power corrupting absolutely even whent he ultimate intent seems to be to end conflict). And my mind wasn't changed about some of the things I didn't think I'd care for either. I still think this franchise as a whole has mistreated Cyclops and shortchanged itself in the process. The brief bit of real acting we got to see Marsden do here showed that. I still think it was a bad decision to lose Nightcrawler in exchange for more development of Halle Berry's inconsistent Storm and a slew of other mutant cameos that kind of felt like attempts to check off names on some fanboy's "who I MUST see in an X-movie" list. I think they could've given the Juggernaut a bit more development and made him Xavier's stepbrother without hindering the film as a whole. It would have made for an interesting contrast to have the muscle-bound oaf looming menacingly over Charles' chair at some point, only to be sidetracked by one or more X-Men (but they absolutely did not need to make him a mystically empowered being...folks clamoring about that "oversight" really need to get a life outside their comic collections and ask how many more steps removed from reality these films could have been and still made enough money to justify three of them). And I still would've liked to have seen Sentinels in X2 as part of Stryker's crusade instead of the Mastermind knock-off we got in that otherwise excellent super hero film (giant robots would've made X2 that much cooler). But, despite all of these complaints (and the obvious continuity error in the time of day during the big battle), I really enjoyed X3 for what it was: the third movie in the series. So what did seeing it change my mind about? Well, now I really don't want it to be the last one. If they'd left off the post-credits bit with Moira and Charles, I could've let it go and been perfectly happy with the trilogy. But they left the door open. Now I have to entertain hopeful thoughts like "Well, they never DID show Cyclops' body" and "What if Jean thought to shift her consciousness to another body as well?" I would've been fine with a transition to the Wolverine movies, but they didn't close the door fully on this world for me. They left it open a crack and now I want them to do right by Cyclops. I want to see more of Angel and to see a relationship blossom between Kitty (exceptionally well cast) and Colossus (who needed more to do in this). It would've taken something beyond my expectations to leave me wanting more, and this did just that. Hopefully, at least, there's some additional footage to be had in a special edition DVD. I'd certainly buy it.
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X3 was OK my expectations were low because I new the studio was pulling a LETHAL WEAPON 4 on us by rushing out a quick cash sequel. The problem is the film is just too short, x1 was short because it was the opening for 2 which was way better in my opinion, 3 quickly goes through deaths and bringing in new characters without even letting us emotional lock in. My problem is that the script wasn't very tight and the film was rushed, I think they should have waited till next year to release it. Entertaining but disappointing, see it at matinee price.
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How can that be giving him the "action-figure treatment?"
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So the flick is OK in my book. I admit I have very simple entertainment needs.
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whats the deal with magneto moving that chess piece? How did he not get cured? And if that retarded kid that can cure everyone is going to school there....how will any of the other kids have thier powers when they are all in the same classes. What...will they go into the danger room and just have everyone stand there with no powers because of that little shit? You know what they should have done....so that rogue would not have had to take the cure.....if her and iceman wanto have sex....just throw that idiot kid under thier bed and go at it. Thats his purpose i think....otherwise he's a completely bullshit pointless charactor. HOnestly...where did this movie take us....in the begginning jean was dead....and at the end she died. At the beggining magneto has powers and at the end he apparently still does. In the beginning xavier is alive and at the end he is apparently STILL alive. At the beginning beast worked for the governement...and at the end.....he worked for the government again. What the fuck...what was accomplished here? They should have just had the opening credits....and then have it say THE END. Then at least they could have saved me some time.
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X3 was good, solid escapist entertainment. As an old-school mutantphile, I've tried to ignore the imbecilic bitching that has gone on for the past year, by people who just plain give fans the same "ugly" impression that the current Administration has given the U.S. to other nations. Against steep odds, Ratner and Co. turned in an enjoyable jaunt into the movieverse, and I have that much more respect for the guy.
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I saw X3 Saturday night and really dug it. Why all the sour grapes from the AICN powers that be? Is it latent homosexuality? I wish it had been a little longer...that's my only beef. Also, they could have shown a little titty.
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120 million box office so far! Superman hasn't got a chance, Singer will be sick.
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Is to learn how to control your powers. Period. That's why the erase-mutant-powers kid is there, to learn how to control his power. Duh. How hard is that for people to grasp?
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I agree with Harry. Being a true X-Men comic book Fan this movie fell short. No need to kill Prof X and Cyclops. They turned Wolvie into the crying game, a mere shell of his comic book self. Can someone please tell me what was the point of the bridge? If magneto wanted to just kill Leach why not just drop the bridge or something else heavy on the building itself? Or just have phoenix wipe the entire place out to begin with ? the special effects were good I just thought the story was not true the characters themselves.In stead of the Dark eyes demonic looking jean gray could they have not atleast shown the firy Phoenix auroa around her? I dont buy Magneto sacrificing all his mutant brotheren or the X-men arriving on the sceene at the end, fighting with the goverment soldiers when the previouse two films they were fighting for mutant rights. You have to treat these characters with respect. They have been around for a long time and deserve respect, as they are giving it to Spiderman and Superman.
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and I happen to agree mostly with what sidious says. My main and only refrence to x-men is the 90's cartoon and x-men evolution. comic books have a vast universe of characters, back stories and pararell universes and so and so forth. The days of the studios making films for 200 million a go are coming to end, slowly and surely, so hollywood, copies what the makers of bond did. they retained the titles, some of the characters and changed the plots. this is what draws howls of rage from the comic book purists. now the bond people are going back to the beginning and I have heard that what happens in casino royale is continued in a further two movies, apparantly sir tom stoppard has been in "secret talks" with Barbara Brocolli and her Micheal Wilson. that could be BS. currently Stoppard is writing the bourne Ultimatium for sony so who knows. After the books had all been filmed, they kept the characters, titles but as i said changed the plots. I four hour comic book movie will never happen. So far the best-is adaptaitions have been spierman. but that movie took so long to get off the ground in terms of running time , that when it rocked it rocked all the way to the end it was relief. for the record i saw FF. Jessica alba naked and invisible. for me it passed the time. comic book fans and i mean die hard ones cannot have it boot ways. They complained about the hulk, which was one of the most interestin looking comic book films suffered from big green giant special effect which looked awful. I hear that for the sequel the story is going to include the abomination and will focus on the Betty and bruce love affair. I wonder would it be possible to make the hulk more human looking. and a lot less big baby looking.
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Yeah, some titties and a longer running time woulda made this an instant classic!!
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I don't reach the same conclusions. I'm not sure I can add anything new here, but I think that there were many, many missed opportunities. This doesn't make it a bad movie, just not the movie we wanted. Unless it's really a piece of shit movie, I tend to be really excited in the theatre, but start to be critical once I've processed it. So I did enjoy the film in the theatre, but I realized it was missing some of the weight of the earlier films. But the cure storyline was really interesting. So what happened? In this case, I don't think it's the script. It's Ratner. I totally agree with people who have said they could have used another 20 minutes or so of character moments, or at least giving the good character moments that were there room to breathe. Scenes were just cut together too quickly, and even the ending scene cut to black so quickly without any sense of import, like a throwaway Star Wars ending. I also agree that the 'last stand' itself could have used more conflict and process - something more than 'let's do it for the Prof.' It sounds like the cut scene Wolvie scene ('she might not come back') would have least moved in that direction. The score also reflected the lack of poignancy that existed in the first two. The moment of Wolverine holding Rogue after the climax of X1 was just brilliant with its subtle emotional scoring. So granted, different choices could have been made to expand some characters more, but the true lack was in the directing and editing style. I do see the realities of tying up a franchise that can't afford its leads anymore, but I hope that more x-universe films with other actors can be made. I wouldn't mind seeing a team with Iceman, Kitty, Jubilee, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Angel and Beast. Bring in some new/old characters that have a backstory at Xavier's we don't know about yet (James Marsters as Banshee!). I definitely want to see more Madrox. I felt like that actor captured the character perfectly, even though he was misused by the script. I liked the X-Statix shout-outs with Phat and Spike, but wtf's up with calling the one guy Kid Omega, and not Quill? Kid Omega (Quentin Quire) was a little neo-nazi telepath. Not a porcupine boy like Quill. Now that I think about it, if they had done what Harry suggested and kept Phoenix as a background presence to set up for X4, they really could have used the Morlock characters to build up the cure issue - and really had a strong rivalry between Storm and Callisto, not just fight scenes. How would X-Men react against mutants who were really deformed (like the comic Morlocks, not these goth kids)? Really, when it comes down to it, these stories can only be fully served by a tv series, not popcorn movies. Oh well, I guess we got our Mark Millar series. Now how about a Grant Morrison or a Joss Whedon?
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isnt he introducing Apocalypse in Ultimate Xmen?
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I went in not expecting alot so I didn't get alot. If you saw the clips online, then you basically saw the movie.
Needed more character development, would have loved to see more of the morelocks. The end battle was muddy.
Kitty Pryde was awesome, would have loved to see more Rogue. It's a shame after all the development they did with her, she was never allowed to really get into the extent of her powers.
Overall, RUSHED. I would have much prefered them pushing the moving a year and having and X-Men 3 AND 4.
Hated the Phoenix storyline. Not because it's nothing like the comic (which it's not) just that the movie version did not make any sense.
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You superdorks have convinced me to disbelieve my own eyes. No way is X3 good and a fun movie. You are all right. Here is how to fix it and make it like the GOOD superhero movies: 1) Ending should be Jean Grey flying around the earth at superspeed, reversing the earth's rotation to being Cyclops back to life. 2) Magneto killed Wolverine's parents, thus providing Logan with his crime-fighting inspiration. 3) Kitty Pryde beats Juggernaut by throwing huge expanding cellophane "X" off her chest at him. 4) Bald Professor X character wears horrible curly wig so they can cast an actor with hair. 5) Magneto has comic relief flunky named Mutant Otis, who wants to rename San Francisco "Mutantotisburg". 6) Pimp tells Beast "Man, that is a bad out-FIT". 7) Ben Affleck as Iceman. 8) Montage Scene where Jean Grey uses telekinesis to grab toilet paper and tampon from broom closet. 9) Jim Carrey as Juggernaut. 10) Cyclops uses mutant 'memory erase kiss' power to protect his secret identity. 11) Powerful mutant terrorists killed by Moira McTaggert stepping on their toes then pushing them off a cliff after they are tricked into taking the 'cure'. 12) Remove unconvincing 'cure' plot, replace with much more believeable 'mutant mind control drops' or 'mutant making machine'. 13) To make dialogue more real, drop references to genocide or terrorism. Talk more about using mutant powers to check out underpants or if mutants are 'normally sized'. 14) Bruce Campbell as a wacky mutant! 15) At least one big unmasking scene where Wolverine is compared to Jesus. 16) Iceman's romantic troubles should be an either/or propostion: frighteningly skinny tenement girl or supermodel from next door, NOT: cute classmate/cute classmate. 17) dead characters should not come back to life, this is a serious violation of X-Men comics continuity.
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... some shaky assumptions but reasonably straight forward and logical overall. But the flaw in your logic is that Superman's fan base is not built solely upon the 70ies films. What about 65 years of comic strips, books, radio shows, TV programs, cartoons and toys? I submit, admittedly without any empirical evidence to support the claim (I
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the cure didnt really work....
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Yeah,I agree,there were somethings that could've been better. I do wish it would have been longer,but over all, I loved the movie. I saw it a couple of more times and I am planning to see it again this friday with another friend of mine. That movie wasn't BETTER than x2..but it was better than x1. Alot of things in comics just don't translate well over to the big screen and I just didn't have any grandious expectations. Ratner did the best job he could under the circumstances...because,it could have been sOOOOOOO much worse.lol.
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That arguement is an absolute FARCE! saying such a thing is saying that people have no taste-no, there not all geeks! it's a summer popcorn flick for fuck sakes-not a religious experience (although some on this site obvoiusly wanted it to be).
The film drew a huge audience because they liked what they saw in the trailers, promo's etc. no one came to poseidon, or catwoman-why?
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... was COINED to describe Superman! Source: Wikipedia: "The word superhero comes from Superman, who debuted in 1938, and the stories of superheroes - ranging from episodic adventures to decades-long sagas - have become an entire genre of fiction that has dominated American comic books and crossed over into several other media." *** "Superman and Batman, [are] two of the most recognizable and iconic superheroes" *** "Golden Age Main article: Golden Age of Comic Books In 1938, writer Jerry Siegel and illustrator Joe Shuster, who had previously worked in pulp science fiction magazines, introduced Superman. The character possessed many of the traits that have come to define the superhero: a secret identity, superhuman powers and a colorful costume including a symbol and cape. His name is also the source of the term "superhero," although early comic book heroes were sometimes called "mystery men" or "masked heroes"."
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So X3 did $120 over a 4 day weekend. Let's see what Supes does over a 5 day weekend (since the 4th of July falls on Tuesday this year). Then we'll talk. And...if you're gonna track box office numbers properly, check the SATURDAY numbers. X3 made 45 mil on Friday but just 32 mil on Saturday. Last time I checked, Saturday numbers should be BIGGER than Fridays. The downward spiral continues - only 25 mil on Sunday and 17 mil on Monday (only 8 mil more than Da Vinci Code). X3 will be done at roughly $215 or so.
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X3 had the core of a good movie there but it was just too rushed. The death scenes had no set up whatsoever. You never got any character development. I saw flashes of what this movie could have been. I got enough to be able to enjoy it but, that is about it. I really liked Kelsey Grammer as Beast. I took two of my kids and we had fun. It was much, much, much better than the un-watchable Fantastic Four.
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You're right that typically Saturday is higher than Friday. But Sunday is always the lowest (and usually by a good amount) ... in a 4-day weekend, Monday becomes Sunday. The downward trend for Sunday and Monday is typical for a front-loaded blockbuster.
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Looking at the top 4-day opening grosses, Matrix: Reloaded and Day After Tomorrow had the strongest opening/weakest finish; 45.9% of their grosses were made the first four days. If X-3 does the same, it will still finish with 261 million. However, X-3 is tracking a lot higher than Day After Tomorrow. I would say Harry Potter: Prisoner of Azkaban would be a good comparison, and that grossed 40.9% its first four days. Run the numbers through the calculator, and its 296 million final gross. I'd say the likely result is somewhere in between.
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Like many of the level-headed people have stated here, although the movie had its flaws, overall it was entertaining, and it fit very well into the trilogy. I had no major gripes about it, although I would've preferred they left the Phoenix saga as its own movie and amped up the sentinels from a workout in the danger room to a weapon of the government to help cure the mutant "disease". I agree that the Phoenix stuff didn't really fit all that well with the cure story line, but I wasn't offended by it either. ********SPOILER ALERT******** I had no problem whatsoever with what they did at the ending with both Xavier and Magneto. How many times in comic books do heroes and/or villains lose their powers, only to gain them back somehow (Magneto). Also, how many times have characters died and were amazingly reincarnated somehow (Xavier). I didn't make the connection when I watched the movie, but one reviewer I read this morning brought up the video tape Xavier was showing his class near the beginning about transferring one person's mind into the body of another, thus his miraculous recovery in the hospital at the end with Moira. I thought it was a cool twist ending. Not a perfect movie, but plenty enjoyable in its own right. I'd rate it just below X2, but better than X1.
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Since (almost) everybody had Monday off, X3 should have done another $25 mil in order to support the $250 mil + logic. The telltale sign for Superman Returns will be opening day tracking. If the people declare it to be suckage on Friday, the whole country will know by Saturday morning.
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This was NOT a "good" movie. The fact that those who liked it, did so because it "didn't suck" and are doing the backstroke to state the first two movies weren't "perfect" either. Fuck that. By the third movie, you should have things right. This had nothing but waste. Wasted characters (Angel, Cyclops, Storm, Jean, COLLOSUS), and wasted opportunity. We waited 3 years for Collosus. His awesome cameo in X2 promised HUGE things in this film. And what do we get? Nothing. Nothing but two lame scenes and two fastball specials. Whoopdefuckingdo. Why the fuck didn't he fight Juggernaut? I'll tell you why, because it's the same shit waste of potential as Sabertooth and Singer's rape of that character and all the built-in potential for him and Wolverine. Iceman does nothing for the whole movie and since when is fucking PYRO a top rated villain? Waste as in big extravagant scenes like moving the Goldengate Bridge, and blowing off big moments like Scott's death/non-death. This movie stunk in so many areas, stink that can't be fixed by a few cool scenes with Beast and Wolverine that the backstrokers are lapping up. Fuck Ratnads and the "writing" team behind this limp turd. They should have fucking read a comic book before they wrote a comic book movie.
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I agree with Oisin. In X1, the Rogue\Wolvie scene, really had some weight. As well as young Mags's into. In X3, I found Chuck's exit, heartbreaking. As well as Warren trying to cut off his own wings. I really can't remember anything that moving in X2. (Knowing what I know of Phoenix)
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.. and no has posted link to where we can download this instead of giving FOX our money.
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I liked it better the second time. So, I imagine folks who thought it was pretty good will like it even more the second time, while people who thought it sucked with hate it even more. While time will tell with the box office, anecdotal evidence seemed to bode pretty well: a crowd at a Tuesday afternoon matinee. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Superman beats X3 at the box office, but X3 is almost guaranteed to be the biggest money maker of all the X-men films.
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... and liked it just as much. Took my kids this time and one of them said it was their favorite of the three.
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Every single movie in the top 10 made more money on Saturday than Sunday, and Sunday than Monday. I don't know why you think X3 should be any different.
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Ummm, what fucking movie were YOU watching? QUOTE: "Truly epic battles of men and women with powers nearly beyond imagination. Buildings, even cities devastated by sheer power" WTF???? We didn't get any of that you silly shitsack. What was "epic" about Wolvie dusting a few useless pawns, Storm having a slap fight with Ca-she-Flash and Jean using her mutant ability to grow varicose veins all over her fucking body? Jesus H. Christ, some people really do watch the back of their eyelids during pieces of shit like this just to justify what they WANTED to see...
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I still think it was shitty of Harry and co. to institute a media blackout on all news relating to X3 for months before the release, but now I have to swallow my pride and admit that they were right all along. I really wanted this movie to be good. Godammit. Angel was a plot device, not a character. terribly edited. it wasn't a movie, it was a laundry list of scenes. music and dialogue were absolute shit. the whole thing was unalive. Juggernaut and Colossus never shared a scene (you've gotta be a real fucking moron to think that's ok) Colossus was wasted. Again. Cyclops- the prototypical X-Man, gets killed OFF CAMERA, and no one even notices that he's dead. Phoenix saga thoroughly misunderstood and mis-represented. The "Big Mutant Battle Royale" we were promised was neutered before it began. Halle Berry. Invisible blackbird. Rogue taking the cure as the last word, thereby neutralizing Xavier's dream altogether. There were a few things I liked, Beast (casting, not the fighting FX) Kitty, Xavier's death scene, etc, but these things weren't enough. The whole project was mishandled, I put the blame squarely on the director.
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...I too loved Kitty's 'dickhead' line. Easily my favourite line of the movie and one of the few moments I genuinely enjoyed. Coming after Vinnie Jones's laughably idiotic line ("Don't you know who I am?! I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"), I was very pleased to hear Kitty insult him right back. The line captured her innocence and it felt very Kitty-ish to me. Good stuff.
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I did too, but I liked X3 too. The only part that blew was they built up Rogue in the first two and threw her away in the last installment. For those who say she doesnt have her powers, think about the two people she's held onto. Wolverine (almost killed him, she could've gotten a form of invincibility from him or healed fast too) and Magneto (almost killed him too, but could've gotten flight from him) all without having to go into the Ms Marvel card. Just a thought, cuz she couldve taken all the Xmen powers and maybe Magnetos henchman to try and take out Phoenix. That would be cool. And maybe she's lose her power after that.
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Not bad, but not good. Bad CGI, run of the mill action. The best part of the movie were the trailers that played before it, Jet Li's Fearless, I wasn't expecting to see that one but now I'm really looking forward to it. That trailer had more excitement in 2 minutes than the entirety of X3. "I'm Juggernaut bitch!"?? Come on Ratner. The crowd I saw it with absolutely loved the movie, but it wasn't very good and they didn't sway me none. The only parts I liked was semi-nude Rebecca Romijn, and Phoenix's ape shit murderfest at the end.
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In the Danger Room scene.
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my wife and i went to see it for the second time, and we brought my mom as well. unanimously we all enjoyed the movie very much. to each their own and all that.
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on june 28th-to try and rake in more cash before pirates.
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mother, pops, sister, brother, and my gay cousin....and they all hated on this turd burgeler
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how old is Famke Janssen now ? I think she's pretty old ... but I totally wanted to bang her when she started turning into the dark phoenix....and I think that's a little creepy given her age. Nothing hotter than a chick who skeeves out, rapes you telepathically and then disintigrates your wang.
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...rapes you telepathically and then disintigrates your wang." I think I dated a chick like that once. Trust me. It gets old. Even with the requisite mutant healing factor to restore your jingly bits.
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X-men 3 did 122 million during the four-day weekend, 2 million higher than the estimates.
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"The production cost for The Last Stand was $165M. Overseas, the mutant sequel launched in almost all markets and grossed an estimated $76.1M giving Fox a $196M global debut." (source: boxofficeguru) Made its production money back in one weekend? Yeah, that's a good thing (Haven't seen the marketing numbers, so it's possible it's not quite profitable yet, but I expect it soon will be)
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Over 200 combined so far, but a 210 production budget. I'm guessing the first number is different because of the actuals, the second number may be because they included the marketing costs?
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Typically marketing is 30 million for a blockbuster, but X3 has been saturating the markets, so 45 million (165+45) makes sense to me.
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It was ok. It was pretty good....Beast was cooler than I thought he was going to be....Having a sentinel in the danger room was doper than having it in the real world. What? You know what I mean....They definitely went on a killing spree. A film should have no more than one, maaaaybe two death scenes. They lose their dramatic effect when like five fairly main characters get the boot. I include Mystique and Magneto in that list, cause they essentially got killed off. Even though Magneto moved the pawn slightly at the end. And professor x jumped into some cancer patients body, spoilers.....The golden gate bridge shit was tight as fuck....Juggernaut was sick. Vinnie Jones is so cool.....There were a bunch of times it seemed Brett Ratner (or no, whoever wrote the script..well, it was a effort on both their parts) wanted a zippy one-liner to get the crowd hooping and hollering, and they always fell flat. Soooo flat. Iceman and Pyro squaring off, headbutt out of nothing, 'you should have STAYED in school'. One guy in the crowd sort of giggled, and im sure he felt embarassed for doing so......Kitty pride is cute. I want to touch her.......The movie should have been called 'X-Men 3: Wolverine does a bunch of stuff'. They're making a Wolverine spin-off? This seemed like one......Halle Barry sucks. She sucks so bad. I hate every word that comes out of her mouth.....Bill Duke is still the champion of the universe......The credits said Psylock was in it? I aint see no Psylock. Unless she was just like some asian broad in the background for two seconds, which is stupid.......They added a bunch of corny mutants. The dude that fights Wolverine in the woods, he was like a Marrow rip-off. Or was he actually somebody in the comics? I know the comics only very slightly........What was with the ladyboy mutant? That Soundwave shemale. That thing was creepy.......The actor who played the president of the united states was TERRIBLE......Ian Mckellen is the coolest guy EVER......I made fun of Famke Jensen's dog once. The End.
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Should have made, or could have made, but guess what it didn't. X3 had very good numbers, so trying to find the negativity in the great box office take just shows how pathetic you are. Who knows how much X3 will go on to make, but it'll be profitable forthe studio. Why all the hate i have no idea, but I do know that you mentioned how a movie is supposed to make more on saturday then friday, well by who's calculations? Your's? Oh wait, so called Box office tracking experts. I just don't see how someone can still look for the worst in a silver lining. X3 was by no means a perfect movie, but it was very solid and i liked a lot. Yeah with the Storyline they had their was makings of a very good movie, but I think the problem was in the screenwriters who I'll admit i had little confidence in, but none the less them along with ratner and the crew turned out a sold flick. Had FOX not been so hellbent on rushing the production the film would've been better cause the production crew along with the writers would've had time to look closer at the film and see what worked, and what didn't and what could be done better. I know X3 isn't going to rake in Star wars level money but it should do more then well enough. I just wouldn't call it a flop.
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The guy did not have cancer that Xavier went into. He was some guy born with no brain fuction or something but who's bodt was healthy. Xavier was giving an example when said is it wrong for a father of four who had terminal cancer to be moved into this healty body or something of the sort when he was lecturing the students about moral responsibility and ethics, whatever. The mutants in the woods weren't meant to be anyone in particular, just some action for Wolvie. Xavier should have been the only death scene. cyke's death was uncalled for. Halle is an awful Storm but i have no problem with her as an actress, she was just miscast. We can think Singer for that screw up. The guy's a prick, he didn't look for the best actress to portray storm, he like Hollywood just go we need a black actress for this part, not much thought went into making Storm.
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X2 again. How any of you fuck sticks can think X3 is better or even in the same ball park with X2 i will never understand. That shot of beast getting off the copter makes this film making 101. the whole shot is filmed wide with the audio in the forefront. Jeans house confrontation was good and even Logan/Phoenix last scene was good everything else was made for TV shit.
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Mind control? It's lame, ok, sorry to burst your bubble. Plus Jason is XAVIER'S son, not Stryker's. I can't believe CBGs bitch about Juggernaut but not this. Finally, there's no f'ing you can tell me that Magneto trying to kill every single human being fits into his personality established in the first movie.
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Toad was underneath the table with a magnet. Mags, you've been Punk'd! Nuff said. Nuff said.
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I actually think about being Magneto a lot. I'm kind of frakkin' obsessed actually. One thing though, I bet I'd be good at it.
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It should've been great, though. I was expecting dreck and I got a C+ movie (compared to the B and A movies that the first two were). So many scenes were lacking something special, either in dialogue or execution. I wish Singer had done this as X3 and X4 back to back. I wish Phoenix had actually been a meaningful character with some meaningful dialogue. I wish we could've gotten a Hellfire Club story out of it and seen Famke running around in leather underwear for a while...
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I read an interview with Ratner and he stated that the production budget was $150-170 million with 60 million alone for the actors fees.
So the movie cost 90 million to really make.
Oh and it pulled in over 80 million overseas so it's made over 200 million in 4 days. I predict it will make 10 million today and lose just over a million- everyday till thursday for an estimated 27 mill over the next three days then pull in about 35+ million on friday and go on to pul in 75+ million for the weekend.
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It drives me nuts that no one else criticizes such a terrible betrayal of Magneto's character.
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very true about X-2, and in this one he is also uneven, especially with his reaction to Mystique (lame lame lame.) i guess it's a hard character to write.
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...mind control is a lame device but a "mutant cure" isn't? How are they any different? As a matter of fact, the conceit is almost exactly the same; farm a young boy for some sort of chemical that has the same affect as his powers ("Well X3 did it better"). I agree with you that I think they short-shrifted Mags' character in 'X2' though.
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If Xaviar could freeze and entire Museum in X2 why couldn't he have taken control of the guards when he went to visit Magneto? You guys can nit a pick all day long ond over analyze the smallest details and run around chasing your tails but in the end it's just entertainment. Would you guys be questioning a chick about her technique while she's blowing whatever pathetic pecker you posses? God you geeks are annoying sometimes. Just enjoy the fucking movie and move on already.
Oh and to be a complete hypocrite, for all you X2 lovers explain to me the timeline from when jean and Storm took a Supersonic jet to boston from upstate new York and back? Why did it take, from an estimated by some things in the movie, almosttwelve hours to fly there and back when Wolvy and kids after the attack, around roughly 11-12 at night, drove the Brand spanking new RX-8 to iceman's house in the same state as the X-chicks went? They took an estimated 12 hours, based on the attack time and the possible return time of Iceman's Parents.
Explain that to me. Oh also explain to me how after taking out two of the military Jets and hiding that the Military didn't have the skies and ground covered with troops? That was just a stupid mistake on the writers part. Also explain to me how they, in the jet manage to cross international boundaries without getting a jet escort like when they were over New York State? The jet may be stealthy but it got picked up once in the movie establishing that it can be detected. Face it fanboys any movie can be picked apart if you have enough time to do so. -
Most writers are lazy about it: oh, we'll make the person do everything they normally do, just against their will/not knowing they're doing it. But that's ludicrous; to actually control one's mind, you have to subjugate all their higher brain functions otherwise it can be resisted via those functions. Naked Gun got it right: Reggie Jackson was programmed to do a short, basic set of commands when triggered. Bamfing through the White House (or fighting like what's-her-name, DeathStryke?) requires the higher brain functions that Mind Control typically can not utilize. ... A mutant cure doesn't make much sense either, but since it fits in perfectly with the whole Mutant/Human tension I can ignore the technical part of it. The explanation was good enough for me. Of course, I have been conditioned on Midichlorians for 7 years now ...
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If someone was actively attempting to control you, then I might buy it. But giving someone a shot and letting things roll? Sorry, I can't buy it. I want to say, though, that I don't have an issue with other people buying it; different strokes for different folks and all that. No sir, I don't like it.
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I would but you guys are fun to watch.. like ants...
But seriously if you liked that blowjob why are you questioning the details of said BJ? Why not enjoy it pay the guy and leave it at that?
This kid of thinking is what brews up Conspiracy theories. Can't just accept that something happened bad or good, there just has to be something else something or somebody at work trying to screw with you. It's a movie it's done and over Whichever side of the flame wars you were on accept the outcome and go back and see the flick again or go back to waiting for that Blowjob again. -
Four day domestic total: $122,861,157 ::::: Suck on it haters. Records have been broken.
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You're telling me why the concept of a cure was introduced into the story. I realize that it's supposed to be provocative and divisive, and if you think that it's a necessary means to an interesting end that's fine but, taken at face value, it doesn't make any more sense than the concept of mind control, if you ask me. Plus the scenario in 'X2' that you're accusing of being dull wasn't supposed to be a hot-button issue like the cure was in 'X3': for starters, I feel pretty confident in saying that the lunacy of Stryker's decision to exterminate mutants was never up for debate (and, picking nits, the serum wasn't actually used to do that; Jason was). What's more, the introduction of the serum wasn't the catalyst for the story in the way that it is(?) for 'X3,' even if the mystery surrounding Nightcrawler's assault on the White House was. Comparing how provocative both plot devices are seems kind of pointless, since 'X2' was never primarily concerned with using the concept of a serum to provoke discussion. Finally, if we're doing this, this "X3's plot device was better than X2's plot device" thing, some points really oughtta go against X3's for basically ripping X2's off. Most likely, you don't agree. Such is TalkBack.
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I don't want to give off the impression that I think the "mutant cure" angle in 'X3' is a bad one, because I don't. However, since we're arguing the quality of plot devices in one movie over the other, I just wanted to point out that the difference between the two is not as great as you may think. Or maybe it's greater than I think. One of those.
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You guys ned to examine the each stories weapon of choice and stack them up against each other.
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The Good:
Superman, Superman 2, Batman, Batman Begins, X-Men, X-Men 2, X-men 3, first 45 minutes or so of Spider-man
The Bad: Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin (should be another category for this one), Blade 2 and 3, Hulk, Superman 3 and 4, etc.
Spider-Man 1 and 2 are somewhere in the middle in my opinion. I wish Jake Gyllenhaal would have nabbed the role after Maguire's agent got greedy. Yes, Tobey is the geek type perfect for the role, but hey, even Peter Parker in the comics most of us grew up with looked somewhat like a leading man, not this bug eyed "I like to stare blankly" Maguire. For some reason though, my expectations are always high for these Spidey flicks and I'm more excited to see the third than Superman Returns, which is a good thing... going in with low expectations can lead to greatness (AICN fanboys should try it out some time). But it's just ridiculous for Sony to be spending $300 million for yet another Spidey flick that we'll watch and see "really good CG". It's not worth the money. People can talk all they want about the Spidey train sequence and what not, but it just doesn't look good. X-Men movies have always offered better effects. To me, Spider-Man flicks are just bloated. I think James Cameron could have offered something much better, especially with his history of EXCELLENT effects in his films like Terminator 2, Aliens (No CG and it still stands the test of time), The Abyss, and yes, the much beloved here at AICN, Titanic. Let's face it, comic book adaptations can't fully portray what comic lovers have grown up with. The movies can take the central themes, perhaps various visual ideas, and then make MOVIES out of them for the general public. So everybody can enjoy them. But hey, you like Spider-Man movies... great. You hate X-Men 3? Great. Anyone can pick apart any of these superhero movies because in the end, it's what you take from it. Directors aren't going to please everybody. -
...I always sort of figured Magneto lost his shit because Stryker tried to kill all mutants ("hey, sexy mama. Wanna kill all mutants?"). But that's sort of open to interpretation, I guess. I'm not saying that the serum itself didn't have an impact on the story, I'm just saying the *idea* of the serum wasn't meant to be (that) important.
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for Jean and Storm to catch up with the team, is because after treating Kurt's wounds, Jean got turned on, over his tat's and put some sort of mental block on him to where his religious convictions wouldn't prevent him in participating in a menage-a-threesome with the X-chicks......IN THE CHURCH!. Turn's out, Mrs.Summers was a huge Opie and Anthony fan. Hopefully one day they'll stick that scene back in the film. ;)
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Would have been stupid for Mags to kill off potential Mutants by killing off the Norms who produce them.
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Tail as well. This may turn into a penthouse edition of the SEXXX-Men.
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the cure was certainly the best plot device of the 3 movies. So why didn't it feel more important? Besides those token discussions at the beginning, it would have been much more interesting to have the characters struggle a bit more with what to do (which is also where Angel could have been used to greater effect). I think it was Vern who said that the X-Men actually did seem to be on the wrong side. Except for the whole killing Leech thing (and the blatant terrorist acts), I'm not sure Mags' crew was totally unjustified.
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Why Why Why? Jeex you people are some whiny bitches. People bitched and moaned about the first two Xmen and complained about this poor man's magneto who doesn't hold up to his comic counterpart. In X3 the man does shyt that is on par with the comic version and yet still I hear bitchin and moaning. I don't give a shyt about Why Magneto moved the GGB, all i know is that it was damn good. Shyt i can go to the comics and pull shyt off that magneto has done and question what's the point. Why would the man reverse the planet's poles and devestate the surface, where was he going to live? It's not like he had all mutants in a safe heaven. Jeez people who gives a shyt. How could anyone calling themselves a comic fan not like what they seen. Weal story points be damned, the scene where Jean is wrecing havoc at her house, the fight with the Xmen and Brotherhood. Mags tearing up the prison convoy, the spectacular GGB sequence. Mags moved the bridge cause he was doing terriostic acts. Jeez people lay off the whatever it is your smoking.
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There are TWO X-Men follow-up films in development, the Wolverine film in which he sojourns in search of his past, and a Magneto project set largely in the early days of his friendship with Professor X. McKellan is attached to the Magneto project. Both are currently slated for a 2007 release.
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I still don't understand how these are justifications of "good filmmaking." These phrases indicate this movie was "entertaining" to you on a purely visceral, non-essential brain-functioning level. What these phrases actually mean is: in one year's time, when you pull this DVD out to watch, you get through about the first three minutes, and then wonder, "Why the fuck did I like this shit?" Why does anyone who realizes how awful this movie is have to be attached to the comics? I'm not. It's got nothing to do with the comics (and literally, this movie doesn't). This movie is insulting on all filmmaking levels. Anyone who thinks this movie is better than X1 deserves a labotomy. And anyone who gets "bored" watching X2 has serious ADD. Maybe you should go work for Ratner or Fox, you "apologists." Enjoy your time in hell. This message brought to you by a fan of the X-Men film series (1 & 2, that is), who actually ISN'T into the comic books.
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You keep saying the Cure in X3 is supposed to be a metaphor for the cure for AIDS. Um, no one wants to have AIDS... So the whole idea of debating whether or not to take the cure, or resisting the cure, is ridiculous. No, the 'Cure' is basically a Cure For Being Gay (or black, or different than the majority in any way). You seem to confuse having AIDS with being gay. Which makes sense, because only a very, very, very, very, very stupid person would confuse those things. And only a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very stupid person would pretend that X:Last Stand is a good movie. It has nothing to do with fidelity to the comics. The first two movies are wildly different from the comics in many ways, and yet are excellent. The third movie not only dishonors the comics, it dishonors the characters that it established in the movie continuum. And it has plot holes that make 'why leave the jet?' look like shakespeare. And Beast ends up 'curing' Magneto, even though weaponizing the cure was what made him resign. I can accept that he changed his mind about the ethics. But a film (or any decently -told story) is supposed to show WHY he would change his mind. It's called STORYTELLING. I loved Hugh Jackman as Wolvie, and I even preferred him to comic Wolvie. But by the end of this craptacular movie, he was Wolvie in Name Only, just waiting for his cue to stab Famke and sob. Hey, if you enjoyed it, good for you. You got your ten bucks worth. But don't tell us it was a 'good movie', or anywhere near the level of the first two. At least until we've developed a Cure for Fucking Retards.
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That Gunnery Sgt Hartman was in X3 for about 30 seconds?
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just saw it and it wasnt that bad. i'm not saying it didnt have its faults (cyclops death, poor morlocks, halle berry in every scene) but it has some amazing moments to. xaviers death was great...the whole end scene and of course everytime magneto was around. i'm not a total geek but i thought most of what the negative reviews said were way of and were toally biased by all the negative stuff coming out even before the release. i dont get how they can complain about changes in this pretty ok film then praise singer for terrible changes to the superman story ( a kid for christs sake, gone for 6 years and they both come back together, the same damn villian doing the same damn thing as the first films, the awful casting) but i bet their full of praise no matter what its like.
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You say your issues with the film are with its merits as cinema, yet your only real criticism of it is the snide backhanded remark about it having nothing to do with the comics. What about it as a movie didn't you approve of? Are there other examples of superhero films that actually appeased your attuned cinematic sensibilities? If you enjoyed X1 and X2, as you seem to indicate, I can't think of a single cinematic reason (or even many valid comic book-related reasons) why you wouldn't have enjoyed X3. It was visually very similar to X2 (and, in many ways, particularly in the depiction of action, superior) with a comparable (some even insinuate lifted) plot. And it deviated from the comic lore to a similar degree as the previous two installments. So clearly you're either pissed about the character deaths or the handling of the Phoenix story. Cop to it and move on...or present a coherent list of strictly coinematic (that is, not in any way related to the comics) criticisms.
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Jason is based on Jason Wynegarde, AKA Mastermind. He's not related to Prof X or Stryker. Very few people are bitching about Jugs not being Prof X's stepbrother or him being a mutant, so stop acting like all the people who hate this movie are only bitching about comic book canon.
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actually the best line in the movie. next to wolverine's "can you grow those" after kicking a regenerated powered mutie in the balls. I thought the movie was ok, but with a few exceptions; killing off Cyclops?! what the fuck.it's bad enough he didn't have a major role in the last 2 x flicks, but to waste the leader of the Xmen like that, would be like killing off Captain america in a avengers movie. what happened to david hayter, he was left out of the writing process, or was he too busy doing voiceovers for solid snake (MGS3/4)speaking of missing..no nightcrawler? not even any explanation..uh ok i guess he "BAMFED" into another demension.Magneto abandoning his most loyal protoge, mystique was a bit out of character.*sigh* no clash between colossus & juggernaut..another missed opportunity. psylocke was very underplayed and calisto had an eyepatch and much taller,not some cute lil' boricua. *SIGH* kitty pryde had her moment unlike rogue,who's scenes was wasted,only to find out the bitch went for the "cure".good parts: the danger room sequence that paid homage to days of future past.of course the "fans" wouldn't appreciate it as a nod towards them. storm finally uses her full abilities;powers and leadership..i still prefer angela basset as the weather goddess than berry. (she's way overated)
the (open) ending was cool, but leaves ya thinking.ol bobby finally ices up, that's what i'm saying!!
Hugh acted like he was slumming a bit, or was it ratner's directing? lol but seriously the rat did a decent job, and it proves that you don't really need singer to make a X sequel. (Superman retread,anyone?)i would actually get the DVD when it comes out to complete my collection. (plus you know there's gotta be the deleted scenes.i wanna know how psyke bought it!) PS the videogame sucks balls, DON't WASTE YOUR HARD STOLEN DOLLAR$ on this crock of shit Marvel Nemesis is much better. in the words of D. Chappelle "i'm Out"!
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I thought Jason was based on Legion? Doesn't Legion have the double eye color? ... as for people griping about Juggernaut, um, have you read the talkback?
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Am I the only one who thinks she's okay in this role ? I think she's kind of the glue that holds the team together. Don't expert drama from her, but she's basically the "straight man" in all the scenes. besides, she's absolutely gorgeous with that white hair ... she needs to keep that look for every day use.
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Perhaps on subsequent viewings I'll be more critical, but in the initial viewing, I enjoyed what I saw. Yes, it did drag a bit here and there, but nothing too major, in my opinion. Scott was too briefly in this one, though I understand his death used as a type of suspense tool. He always seemed to be treated as a tool to me rather than a viable and worthy character. Same thing goes for Jean until this one, and even then, she was somewhat a tool. I like how the look of her getting all firey without getting really, ya know, on fire. Her hair did the job of the flames... which was plenty satisfying to me. It was almost painful to watch Pichard, uhm, The Professor flake away with that creepy serene look on his face staring at Logan, who seemed horrified (almost too much to believe from Wolvie). I liked that Magneto showed his calm concern for his 'old friend', but never again seemed to even acknowledge the passing. He was bent on his own form of control of Jean's alter. Storm was Storm. I never expect too much out of her, but... I miss the regal 'tude that I always expect Storm to display, yet Ms. Berry never seems to even consider approaching. It was nice to FINALLY see Bobby all icy, but he made me mad playing the stupid "what?!?" thing with Rogue about Kitty. I expected Rogue to go and wanted her to, but didn't at the same time. She's so my hero. Kitty, while cute and humorous, is not a character I've ever really cared about. She was great with Juggernaut, though. That a great chase scene. :) Beast: Kelsey was awesome. The use of him in action was not as good as it could have been, but I didn't want a furry blue dot bouncing everywhere off everything, nor did I want him to be some sort of feral critter. That's not who he is. He and Logan were classic together. When I say the geek in me got what I wanted out of it, I mean specifically the final scene between Logan and Jean. That was everything I required, but nothing more than that. It would have been spectacular if there had been something more than what I *REQUIRED*, but there was nothing specifically missing. It's that elusive "x-factor" - not enough moments with it, but the scenes are there. I'm not exactly sure where the fault is - actors or direction or script. I'm sure that those additional viewings that WILL happen (will be purchasing the DVD with all the bells and whistles) I'll figure it out. I'm totally ok with handing them my hard earned cash and am still considering giving them some more in the next week.
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Go whine to your fucking Cunt of a Mother. I could give a fuck what a fucking moron like you says about a movie they whined about and cried about being awful sight unseen then still goes to see it. So shut your fucking yap you retarded fucking hypocritical moron.
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well said! I'm sure one will ever question your intelligence again.
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Anyway...The movie is still crap!
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I kept thinking about the third Star Wars movie while watching X3 last night. First movie really good, second movie arguably better, third movie... meh! It felt that the only reason I didn't hate it was because I love the characters enough to make up for it.
It just felt very crowded. No story on the healing mutant (nor did anyone question a company apparently imprisioning a mutant), Magneto wasn't as much fun as in the first two. They did a few cool camera tricks that mattered little. They spent a lot of money moving the Golden Gate Bridge (why? There were about 100 Brotherhood mutants, why move the whole bridge?), but they simulate a Sentinal with a couple lights on a crane. They set up an iconic shot of Phoenix rising from the water, but suddenly cut to a reaction shot and spotlight; again a cheap way out. And they just killed off a lot of characters for no reason other than... I suppose they decided they aren't going to do other X-Men movies, so why not. Scott's death meant nothing, Xavier's could have meant more if the script had set it up better.
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Who would really want to see that? I think they should just push forward with more X-Movies. A solo movie with Wolverine makes sense, though. The next X-Movies could be the remaining X-Men in crisis. Storm trying to hold the School together, Wolverine taking off to look into his past, Rogue enjoying being able to have human contact, second-string members getting a chance to step up and take a larger role (Colossus, Kitty, Iceman, Rogue, etc). Maybe bring back Nightcrawler (perhaps the character was back in Europe during the events of X3), and so on. Perhaps a new villain that the X-Men have a tough time dealing with without the Professor, Cyclops, Jean, and Wolverine. *****As far as Cyclops being dead: there is no body. In genre terms, that is often just a dead give-away the character isn't deceased. I am in the camp that holds that Cyclops has been terribly underused in these movies. In X3, perhaps Jean/Phoenix simply hurled him through the forest and he survived, albeit with amnesia or psychological damage, which prevents him from immediately returning to the X-Mansion. Scott's return to fully take over the X-Men actually could end up being a really good dramatic beat in another film. Maybe the X-Men are struggling to survive without the leadership of the Professor, Cyclops, and the others, and Scott's return could actually mean something by turning the tide in some battle against a new villain (maybe Shaw and the Hellfire Club). Anyway, I would much rather see new X-Men films instead of some sort of prequel about Professor X and Magneto. Solo films about lead characters like Wolverine are fine, but preferably if they stay in the current continuity. The only reason I can think of for the studio wanting to make a prequel might simply be to recast the entire X-Team younger and cheaper, and to thus re-boot the whole series. I think that it is way too early to do something like that. This franchise is sort of like the old Star Trek franchise. The current cast is good for at least several more movies. Given the box office so far for X3, they could probably shoot a couple more back-to-back. Anyway, those are some thoughts I had on the franchise.
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and stop ranking on harry because he's right. this was crap, plain and simple. some questions: 1. why was angel in the film? to provide extremely minor and boring conflict and also to swoop down and save daddy, i guess? 2. why would anyone tell their friends to see this? in doing so you are lining the pockets of dogassed filmmakers who don't give a fuck for character and nuance, the two things singer had down to a science where the x men were concerned. ratner gave a shit about neither. which is why maggie barely shed a tear for charles's death. yes, the two men are enemies. they are also practically family and this lack of emotion of mags' part was fucking bullshit. 3. why did i have to see charles iced and mags depowered only to be told at the end that, basically, 'it was all a dream!'? so i just saw a movie that not only pissed me off but completely contradicted itself. wow. i win in such an amazing way. 4. beast looked like abe lincoln in a monkey suit. with bad dime store rubber hands spraypainted blue. that is to say, he looked like shit. my favorite x-character trashed forever. 5. why do we not get to see cyke dead? and why does NO ONE give a shit about the fact that he is dead? i'm sure it's because again he a)isn't dead or b) the movie was a piece of shit and didn't care about tying up loose ends. jesus, what a waste of time. where was the conflict in this movie? where was the fucking story, for that matter? things happened, some people blew shit up, people DON'T REALLY DIE, jean is a zombie who stands around and does nothing for 99% of the movie, there is no phoenix, the end. oh, yeah, and did i mention chuck's not dead? so why bother with it in the first place? fuck you, ratner. in singer's x-films there were subtle things happening all the time that referenced the comics (in a true geeklover way, not some bullshit sentinel head falling to the ground in the danger room) and there was NONE of that here. ratner and crew were much more into sledgehammering you with fucking nonsense. the only moments that had any power for me at all were mystique's depowering and maggie's very cold line about how she used to be so beautiful--though i don't believe for one second that maggie wouldn't have used her in some way. even without her power raven's got a lot of shit on a lot of people and also there is NO WAY in hell she would have turned on mags so fast--and then jean's death. i thought that the real love story of the xbooks has always been logan and jean, so i was glad to see it this way in the film. i flove them and i loved that he, instead of cyke, was the one to let her go. but it all just fucking bugged. BAD MOVIE. say it with me. if this weren't an xfilm you would ALL be saying 'wow, what a heinous piece of shit' and of course, you would be entirely right. also, what the fuck was with the BAD romance in this movie? it bugged. is ice skating the new cinematic love trope after KONG? i LOATHE superman, but guess which movie looked the most kickass to me out of all the trailers we saw? yeah. i miss you, bryan singer. you gave a shit about the comics and treated the xfans right. i should mention that i saw this at mann's chinese and it did NOT get a stellar reaction from the crowd. thank god for discerning comic/movie lovers. in closing? fuck you, ratner and crew. zak penn too.
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...are greatly exaggerated. You're missing the fact that we only hear Wolverine say 'I think she killed Scott.' You also only see his 'death' in a flashback...a crazy woman's flashback. All that's left is a pair of glasses. It doesn't mean that Scott's dead, it means he doesn't have glasses. When my fiancee finds my pants on the floor in our room, she doesn't think :MY GOD! HE'S DEAD! This is a 'death' in the sense that we didn't see what happened then, and assume the worst when Xavier gets liquidated. Let it alone! There will be an X-4...and this isn't the unholy abortion that everyone claims it is. Shit, man. I could just watch a loop of Wolverine scenes, and be happy with it. If I really spent my eight bucks thinking that this was going to be Shakespere, I hope that for my sake my friends checked me into a goddamned institution. Yeah, who gives a shit that they didn't explain what happened to Nightcrawler?! I don't. What, there should have been a disclaimer: Dude Who Plays Nightcrawler Didn't Want To Be In This One...Look Out Movie Fans! Don't Be Alarmed! ****************This was a good movie. I still liked the second one better, and this one put a nice cap on a three movie run that they can later fix up into a badder ass series.********Finally, haters, the last scene of the flick shows that the 'cure' isn't permanent...at least in Magneto's case, though I'm sure we're to assume that everyone eventually gets their powers back. Also, I got burned bad when Harry had his exclamation of orgasmic delight over Blade Two. Fuck. Man, I really regret believing his hype on that one. You want something to bitch about? How about Del Toro not doing another Hellboy?! Or what about Ghost Rider actually looking bad ass?! God, you people make me wish I put Jar-Jar in every movie I did...But I think I hurt you enough with the Ewok movies. Peace out.
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...are greatly exaggerated. You're missing the fact that we only hear Wolverine say 'I think she killed Scott.' You also only see his 'death' in a flashback...a crazy woman's flashback. All that's left is a pair of glasses. It doesn't mean that Scott's dead, it means he doesn't have glasses. When my fiancee finds my pants on the floor in our room, she doesn't think :MY GOD! HE'S DEAD! This is a 'death' in the sense that we didn't see what happened then, and assume the worst when Xavier gets liquidated. Let it alone! There will be an X-4...and this isn't the unholy abortion that everyone claims it is. Shit, man. I could just watch a loop of Wolverine scenes, and be happy with it. If I really spent my eight bucks thinking that this was going to be Shakespere, I hope that for my sake my friends checked me into a goddamned institution. Yeah, who gives a shit that they didn't explain what happened to Nightcrawler?! I don't. What, there should have been a disclaimer: Dude Who Plays Nightcrawler Didn't Want To Be In This One...Look Out Movie Fans! Don't Be Alarmed! ****************This was a good movie. I still liked the second one better, and this one put a nice cap on a three movie run that they can later fix up into a badder ass series.********Finally, haters, the last scene of the flick shows that the 'cure' isn't permanent...at least in Magneto's case, though I'm sure we're to assume that everyone eventually gets their powers back. Also, I got burned bad when Harry had his exclamation of orgasmic delight over Blade Two. Fuck. Man, I really regret believing his hype on that one. You want something to bitch about? How about Del Toro not doing another Hellboy?! Or what about Ghost Rider actually looking bad ass?! God, you people make me wish I put Jar-Jar in every movie I did...But I think I hurt you enough with the Ewok movies. Peace out.
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...are greatly exaggerated. You're missing the fact that we only hear Wolverine say 'I think she killed Scott.' You also only see his 'death' in a flashback...a crazy woman's flashback. All that's left is a pair of glasses. It doesn't mean that Scott's dead, it means he doesn't have glasses. When my fiancee finds my pants on the floor in our room, she doesn't think :MY GOD! HE'S DEAD! This is a 'death' in the sense that we didn't see what happened then, and assume the worst when Xavier gets liquidated. Let it alone! There will be an X-4...and this isn't the unholy abortion that everyone claims it is. Shit, man. I could just watch a loop of Wolverine scenes, and be happy with it. If I really spent my eight bucks thinking that this was going to be Shakespere, I hope that for my sake my friends checked me into a goddamned institution. Yeah, who gives a shit that they didn't explain what happened to Nightcrawler?! I don't. What, there should have been a disclaimer: Dude Who Plays Nightcrawler Didn't Want To Be In This One...Look Out Movie Fans! Don't Be Alarmed! ****************This was a good movie. I still liked the second one better, and this one put a nice cap on a three movie run that they can later fix up into a badder ass series.********Finally, haters, the last scene of the flick shows that the 'cure' isn't permanent...at least in Magneto's case, though I'm sure we're to assume that everyone eventually gets their powers back. Also, I got burned bad when Harry had his exclamation of orgasmic delight over Blade Two. Fuck. Man, I really regret believing his hype on that one. You want something to bitch about? How about Del Toro not doing another Hellboy?! Or what about Ghost Rider actually looking bad ass?! God, you people make me wish I put Jar-Jar in every movie I did...But I think I hurt you enough with the Ewok movies. Peace out.
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and listen to what Jean says in the scene with Wolverine. That has all the answer to Cyclops' fate that you need.
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I dont understand where all this over-bitching is coming from. I understand the majority of the people on this website are fanboys and want EVERYTHING possible in a movie so that it's 100% perfect and just the way YOU want it...BUT you gotta get your heads out of your asses, seriously.. I watched X-Men 3 and I enjoyed it. There were a few gripes (but what movie doesnt have gripes?) but, none of them had to do with anything you knobs are pissing and moaning about. The only real deaths that took place in this were Calisto and all the other pack of low-grade, disposable mutants/screenfillers that nobody gives 3 fucks about. Professor lives (as we see at the very very end), and who the hell even said Cyclops was dead? Because they made a grave for him and found his groovy shades? I thought u turds would be marking out for the fact that Cyc is still alive in the woods, roaming around Jeremiah Johnson style, totally blind. This movie had everything the other 2 didnt...a shitload of action and sick ass fight sequences that were kept in way too small amount the first 2 times around, but I can respect because now back for the 3rd time we know who the characters are, so lets see what they can DO. I thought the Pheonix was handled just right for a MOVIE, she was fucking evil looking, vengeful and didnt give a fuck....she fucking blew up Xavier...how can u not appreciate how bad ass she is?? It wasnt a big conveluted Shi'ar fucked up space story but that would be 4 movies in its own to explain. Beast kicked ass, Angel was minimal but played his part...He is clearly a set up character for a future movie.
A few gripes were the little dearing character moments. I wanted to know/ see a bit more from Colossus and Juggernaut...But everytime Jugg was onscreen he was pretty bad ass...this is what all the slow talking and build up between characters in the first 2 movies was for....a full out rage of fighting and asskickery from the mutants. Of course Cyclops was given the short hand of the stick, but him and Professors sacrifices were used to show that the Pheonix does NOT fuck around. How can u show that she has gone off the deep end by destroying her husband and her mentor?? Has Cyclops really been a huge drive in all movies besides being in the way of Wolverine from fucking Jean and him being a boy scout, wiping the Prof's ass everywhere?
And why all the nitpicking towards the wirework?? It looked fucking FINE! Just the same as any other movie thats been done and it was so small that u wouldnt even think of picking on it. You tards WANT to hate this movie so bad and tear ANYTHING u can find apart to show that you wont back down from ur thick-headed beliefs because u wanted this movie to suck so bad....and it didnt.
Not a perfect movie by any means, but neither was the first 2. So why all the bitching??? It had its heart with its reactions of the "deaths" by the other X-men and them dealing with it...BUT theres bigger things going on...theres a fucking apocolyptic war brewing! Would u like Bobby, Rogue, Storm, Wolverine etc to hold eachother, cry and talk about discrimination and hatred for mutants for another 45 mins?? Been there done that for 2 movies prior. It gets old....we KNOW the story, we KNOW whats going on...Time for a fast-ball special...and we got 1 1/2 of those in 1 movie. I liked to see why the X-Men have powers in the first fucking place and DEFEND with action, and I finally got that. The end fight sequence was completely and udderly BAD ASS.
The dialogue was fine, no more "camp" or anything than the first 2 provided as well. Its like Ratner cut all the fat off a Singer movie and made it what a 3rd X-men movie should be, a little display of power. I will never...EEEEEEVVVVEER...believe the thoughts of anyone on any movie on this website because you are all completely biased, pretentious, overly critical blow-hards that completely suck the life and fun out of movies....they are there for enjoyment. Not for you to base your entire existance around and sit with ur arms crossed, complaining how u werent fully satisfied...go fuck yourself. Like others have said...you think you can do better?? Lets see a little space for all you aspiring Screenwriters out there and make YOUR X-men movie...AND make it work for both comic fans, the average fan/movie goer and see how well it is recieved. You guys are all wannabes. -
Damn, just how tired is this multi-username schtick of yours, homewrecker? Seriously. What an uber-douche.
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... I don't understand how any studio thinks that paying people to slam X3 is going to make their upcoming movie(s?) seem any better. But they must be paying well. Hey, Powers that Be... I'll change my opinion of X3 if you pay me enough! Call me! Actually, I'll just use the cash to keep seeing X3, then buy the DVD when it comes out... plus the X1-3 box set with the included X-belt buckle.
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ARE SAD. Of course you didn't see his body, because there was no body to see. Look at how "Phoenix" killed Chuck and everyone else. In this timeline/world he is DEAD, DECEASED, HE IS NO MORE. That doesn't mean he won't return in a prequel, or the possibility of him, and Chuck being held by Sinister in a alternate reality in a X4 storyline. (Which IS NOT going to happen for awhile. I mean, we've got 3 F'N spinoff's on the horizon people.)
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Yes, Singer screwed Sabretooth BIG TIME. And yes, he miscasted Storm. But he was gonna give Marsden a meaty role in X3-X4.(Seems like I've mentioned this half a dozen times in this talkback, lol.) Reportedly, Bryan will tell his story in Ultimate X-Men or X-men Unlimited late this year. (Forgot which title it is.)
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ejcarter, who thinks we're being PAID by rival studios to bash X3. You are sad. And I'm an anti-plant! Which I guess makes me... Animal/Mineral Man! Homewrecker. Oh, homewrecker. It's almost too easy. Hey, if I'm Pazuzu, does this mean he has to pay off my student loans? Sweet! Homewrecker, you are sad. People who insist that Scott is alive... actually, you're too funny to be sad. Seriously, I liked the guy who suggested that Scott should have wandered through the woods with his eyes closed throughout X3 and then shown up at the climactic battle as a BIG SURPRISE. Hilarious. I'm surprised Kinberg and Penn didn't do something that lame, it would have pushed the movie into 'so bad it's enjoyable' territory. And those of you who think that X4 is going to return Cyclops to the living, re-resurrect Jean Grey, and feature Wolverine again.... You're sad. So sad. On the whole, X3 was a pretty decent adaptation. Of a 90's X-men comic. With Rob Liefeld writing and directing. Yep, pretty brutal.
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You know when Jean Grey asks Logan to kill her. When Logan asks Jean, "Where's Scott?"... Jean says, "Kill me, before I kill again..." or something like that. Is that not obvious enough that Scott is dead and that Jean killed him?
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I guess I missed the part where I got "pwned," unless you count me and YackBacker disagreeing on whether or not the serum in 'X2' was a lame plot device as "pwnage." Then again, I don't know why I'm bothering to try and reason with you, since you're clearly either a troll or insane.
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I liked the movie and it DID NOT SUCK! Deal with it. You didn't like it. Deal with it. I'm sick and fucking tired of people making broad general statements. "I liked it so if you didn't, you're wrong" and vice versa. It's a fucking movie! It's gonna make a shit load of cash, good movie or not. I hope all that hated it had their childhoods raped.
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homewrecker sees all and knows all. He even sees through my various usernames and writing styles to correctly identify me as... DocPazuzu!!
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s'funny i heard "kill me before I kill someone"... meh
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The actress who plays May Parker in Spidey 3 is also playing CARNAGE!!!
I thought X3 was good, better than the first, not perfect and certainly not what Singer would have done, but I'll take it until Spidey swings again. -
Since when did they become major players in these movies? I love the characters, but from what I remember about the first two films they had little to do with anything. The movie just assumes they were always there and doesn't even bother giving them any depth at all. The movie has very little development anyway besides what we already know from the original films but pivotal characters from the first two films, ones that we've had time to grow on like Rogue and Cyclops, become insignificant. If they had to completely disrespect the characters of Rogue and Cyclops and put them out of the picture then they could have at least gave Collosus and Shadowcat bigger roles and more character depth.
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Remember the part where Storm says that mutants don't need a cure, because their is nothing wrong with them. I agree. It goes against everything mutants stand for. So why in the final battle does Storm lead the X-Men to defend the very people who came up with cure guns? Why would the X-Men defend the cure anyway? I found myself rooting for Magneto, I honestly cried out "No!" in the theatre when they shot him with the cure. In a way at that moment my dream of a good X-men movie died along with Magneto's powers. Then when it was all said and done we find out that Rogue sold out and took the cure and everyone in the movie just acted like it's okay? NO!! it's not okay. No mutant should be cured! I would totally join and fight with the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants if the X-Men think it's okay, it's an outrage.
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I am NOT refering to you who hate X3. You are not truly "haters" at all, as your reaction to the film comes from your love for the X-Men, the comics, the original movies, and your hopes for the Dark Phoenix movie that could have been, should have been, may now never be. Although I like this picture, I fully understand, appreciate, and respect your passion and anguish over this movie. I am also not refering to those of you who are sad pathetic trolls and feel some horrible need to post any stupid thing to get a response from somebody, anybody, please some human contact. My God, how lonely you must be. No the haters who do not belong here are those who post at AICN because they hate this site. Because they hate Harry and will attack him for anything he says or does whatsoever. Because they hate geeks and nerds and fanboys and come here seeking blood. This site was built by a geek, a big fat geek who's unashamed of that fact. Geeks of all types are welcome here, the Milhouses, the Ralph Wiggums, the Martin Princes. Non-geeks too, some Barts may wish to indulge temporary geekishness, others just enjoy being in the company of geeks. But those Norman Muntzs out there, you asshole bullies who have preyed upon geeks and nerds all your lives, get the fuck out! You are about as welcome as Fred Phelps at a Serviceman's funeral. Your presence on this site is about as appropriate as a Skinhead at a Bar Mitzvah. Those of you who are only here to hate, you want to hate somebody? Look in the mirror!
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say what you will about how Brian Singer portrayed Rogue (although I'm sure Singer was far from done developing Rogue) he would have NEVER did what they did. Now that she took the cure she will never reach the full potential of her powers and will always be in these movie anyway that lost little girl who got rid of her powers for a boy.
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...but Rogue's arc makes pretty perfect sense in terms of the trilogy. She started out hating and fearing her powers and grew to accept them int he second film but never embraced them, nor did she ditch her resentment of the barrier they represented between her and a normal life (with heavy petting and all that fun teen stuff you'll discover in a few years). If anyone would've voluntarily taken the cure in the X-movie-verse, it was Rogue as portrayed pretty consistently throughout all three films.
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... which is weird, since all this movie did was make me happy. Twice.
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If you have some sort of philosophical objection to it, that's fine, but I think it's pretty consistent with her character to want to be freed of her "gift."
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It was funny seeing Magneto sitting in a park playing chess in the last scene, AFTER he destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge and causing untold deaths in the process. I guess the authorities felt bad for him for falling for Wolverine and Beast's tricky forced cure gambit and didn't press charges.
By the way, I liked the movie a lot, but was also one of those folks who was siding with Magneto during the final battle. The dilemmas of the cure are briefly covered (by Beast, I believe), but perhaps the movie should have focused MORE on those ideas, making it clear that the X-Men were fighting for mutants to have a CHOICE about using the cure, not so much because they thought the cure was necessarily a great thing.
Still, I gotta believe that hetero party guy Ratner had much more sympathy for the idea of a "cure" than Singer would have. I'm betting Singer would have had ALL the mutants be against the cure and would have found some other reason for Magneto and the X-Men to fight. But, who knows, maybe it's better Ratner's way, with the different viewpoints among the mutants regarding the cure making for a more complex movie. Yes, there IS some complex stuff going on in Ratner's "X-Men"! -
With your quotes... "You say your issues with the film are with its merits as cinema, yet your only real criticism of it is the snide backhanded remark about it having nothing to do with the comics." True, within that last comment I made, you got me there, buddy. But I'm only going on what I've learned about the source material from people during the last few months/year of reading about this movie. I collected other comics when I was younger, but never X-Men. Though I *do* have a very vested interest in "how" these stories are translated to the big screen. "What about it as a movie didn't you approve of? Are there other examples of superhero films that actually appeased your attuned cinematic sensibilities?"
Do you want a complete list? I don't think it's needed because other people here have outlined many points, but I'll give you a brief summary: 1.) Poor plotting. Do any of these characters actually *change* by the end of the film? As someone else pointed out -- Xavier starts the movie alive, and ends up...still alive. Magneto has his powers, and by the end...still "apparantly" has his powers. Jean is dead, and by the end, is...dead. Again. Frankly this issue has been done to death by now, but...Scott is ignored... and ignored not only in theory this time, but in actual cinematic narrative and story explanation. The semi-leader of the team and no one gives a shit that he's dead? No one cares? No one mourns? If they killed off Orlando Bloom ten minutes into Pirates 2, would everyone ignore it? If they killed off Alfred in the first ten minutes of Batman Begins 2, would Wayne ignore it? Yes, I know Marsden is no "star" -- but he was not only the "leader" of the team, he was THE LOVE OF JEAN'S LIFE. "SHE CHOSE YOU" Wolvie says at the end of X2 -- what does that mean now? Making Logan the "star" of the franchise, and Marsden not being A-list, still do not excuse not explaining or reacting to a character's "death" on-screen. BAD STORYTELLING. Ok enough about that stuff. 2.)Poor scripting/script blocking. What the hell black hole did Magneto come out of when he greeted Charles and crew on Jean's street corner? "Hello Charles" [[pops into the frame]] Did Charles not sense him coming a mile away? Did Wolverine not smell him or this big Juggernaut pos? Did you notice in Wolverine's scenes in the forest how some of his "action" beats were cheaply sped-up on film? Are we back in the 1970s? 3.) Wire work. Speaking of the 1970s, did you see that first shot of all the "bad muties" jumping off the bridge down to Alcatraz? Did you see their legs flipping in the air in front of their bodies? Didn't that look a little...I don't know.. STRANGE? BAD WIRE WORK. 4.) What does Phoenix do in this movie? Act like the devil-spawn? Others have already harped on about this as well. She sits on the sidelines until she gets pissed off enough at Kinberg and Penn to actually "do something" in the last five minutes of the movie. 5.) Cliche anyone? I don't mind a few, but come on. "You of all people know how fast the weather can change." (actually didn't have too much of a problem with this one). "I'm going in." "Nothing can stop us." "You know what you have to do." (by the way, that was cut out of the movie, as were about fifteen other scenes or "takes", did you notice?) "I'm the only one that can stop her." "Don't do this." "Don't let it control you." "I'm in." 6.) Character inconsistency with previous films, and within the movie itself. Magneto tells Pyro "Charles did more for mutants than you'll ever know" but then he proceeds to destroy the Golden Gate bridge and claims snarkely "Charles always wanted to build bridges" ??!! I mean was this line intended for anyone else other than the movie's audience?? How come Charles is suddenly so bitchy about his "most powerful student" "I don't have to explain myself to anyone, least of all you." Yeah, I hear Charles can be aggressive in the comics once in a while, but it was never shown this intensely in the films. It's a stretch going from "The next time you're thinking about showing off, don't" to "What have you done?!" He seems a totally different character here. Why is Storm the new leader, but Wolverine is shouting all of the orders? "We're X-Men." "Hold the line." (wonder where they got that line from?) By the way, when did Magneto become a full-on terrorist broadcasting his face all over FOX news?
7.) Useless characters. Angel, what did he do in this movie? Rogue, what did she do in this movie other than fret over her own well-being (and makes a very strange decision, by the way). Colossus, what did he do in this movie? Why is the Leech character there? What does he do? Pyro, what did he do, other than being Magneto's bitch, and antagonising Iceman?
"If you enjoyed X1 and X2, as you seem to indicate, I can't think of a single cinematic reason (or even many valid comic book-related reasons) why you wouldn't have enjoyed X3." Are you fucking serious? It may be "comparable" in ideas alone, but in execution, entirely lousy and entirely hamfisted.
Brett Ratner IS at fault here, despite how some would say that he "did what he could." He's blatantly misogynistic in his treatment of women in the movie, too. The only way Wolverine can be satisfied is by killing Jean? He can't have her, so he MUST kill her. There were other ways to do this "story." I'm not asking for some complete run of the Phoenix saga on screen, it would be silly and obtuse -- but their was a way to work it into the "real world" setting that Singer had established in his first two movies -- and this was not it. Why not hold her resurrection until the end of the movie? Someone else said this -- her presence would be better served, have more meaning, by her "absence." Whay was there no "second act" in the movie? New characters are introduced, Jean comes back, kills some people, Wolverine goes to the forest -- then they all go to Alcatraz? What purpose did the bridge breaking serve (other than blatant metaphor)?? Couldn't have Magneto taken a shard of metal and transported them all over there? Couldn't have Phoenix lifted them all? Pure spectacle that served no purpose, no meaning with the characters' motivations or lives. FINALLY, what happened to all the early versions of scenes and different "takes" we saw in the trailers and tv spots for this movie? A sure sign of an INDECISIVE creative management and nervous stature, in weeks leading up to an already-rushed release. Where's Rogue's "This is who I am, Bobby." Oh, guess that was her "alternate" ending. Yeah, I know multiple different takes are shot for all big-budget movies, but when you stick them in all the trailers promoting a release, don't you feel just a LITTLE short-changed when you see the final cut and 75% of these moments AREN'T THERE?? I could go on, but I'm sick of talking about it. -
...Be like water, but I've got to say that the vast majority of your complaints above have to do with your preconceived notions of these characters and the way the story should have gone in your mind rather than the film itself or choices Ratner made as a director. You made some criticisms of the actual effects and shot decisions (many of which were made by others elsewhere in the talkback and were countered by still others who did not see them as shortcomings), but a lot of your problems have to do with what you perceived as the characters being gotten somehow wrong in either their actions, their words or their motives. For example, you hit on the Cyclops issue early, which happens to be one of my peeves about this film as well. But I think Cyclops has been shortchanged throughout the series by both directors. Did he act like the heroic male lead in either the first or second film? Given the extremely limited screen time he got, I don't think there's any way you could argue that he did (in fact, in the first one he got knocked around quite a bit and couldn't get a clear shot while, in the second, he was a hostage). So his portrayal in this film is consistent wqith his portrayal in the previous two. He's been marginalized as a character, for whatever reason, all along. You mention that Charles should've been able to sense Magneto coming? Haven't we established (in the first film) that this is what his helmet was designed to prevent? And wouldn't it make sense that the Juggernaut's helmet has similar properties (it did in the comics, didn't it)? Should Wolverine have smelled them? Sure. But in the movies his enhanced senses have never really been utilized to the extent they always were in the books or even the 90s cartoon. They get referenced, ocassionally, as though they're soemthing he turns on briefly when convenient to the plot, but they haven't been a consistent part of the character in any of the movies. And Wolverine's killing of Jean had less to do with his desires and passions than hers. I'm kind of surprised you missed that, given that it was some of the only verbal insight Phoenix gave us into her character's mindset in the film. The snippets of cheesy dialogue you mention can't hold a candle to some of the dreck from the original (or do you not recall what happens to a toad when it gets struck by lightning?). My point being, the movie is par for the course and, if you go back and re-read your list of complaints, you'll realize that very few of them have anything to do with movie making, specifically. They're complaints about the characters not being the way you would prefer they be. It doesn't matter whether you got your preconceived notions of the characters from the comics, the cartoons or stuff you read on the Internet, it's obvious that the way the films (all of them, especially considering that all three films tell a progressive and cohesive story, bringing many of the characters full circle -- a perfectly valid arc for characterization in fiction -- and leaving others in far different places -- both Wolverine and Rogue, for example, who were the focal points of X1 are very different people by the end of X3 and, yet, are consistent with the way their characters were portrayed throughout the series) have depicted the characters doesn't work for you. But you've in no way demonstrated that the movie is poorly made by general movie standards and certainly not by comic book movie standards. Even Harry admits that someone without character- and story-specific baggage from other media will probably enjoy this movie as a movie. Why can't you?
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Wouldn't have happened in the funny books. The movie Rogue, of course I can see it. That's what happens when you turn a headstrong southerner into a screaming little girl. Thanks, Bryan!
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Yes, even the ones that liked it, the smart ones know it sucked!
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That Dougray Scott and Stuart Townsend sit around a bar every night drinking and cursing and bemoaning their fates together. They'd be a great sitcom, actually.
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The thing that annoys me about the huge box office for X3 is that it means the executives were right. We saw what happened with MI3 - they waiting for a good script and a good director, and look what happened. The franchise got too old and the star got too old. I thought it would be worth it to wait on X3, but from a financial standpoint, I was probably wrong.
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Add Will Smith to that list, who turned down the role of Neo in 'The Matrix' to do, uhh... 'Wild Wild West.' D'oh.
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...Will Smith's not wanting for good work and pay in the same way that Dougray and Stuart are, so maybe that's a bad example.
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That's right, I went there. The singer films are far too safe and stagnant. Ratner's film was much more energetic, and dangerous. Ratner wasn't afraid to take risks, and do things that were controversial. This film felt much more like a comic then the first two. This was xmen unleashed. This wasn't just any ol' issue of xmen like the first two films. This was like, a season fucking finale. It's like that one issue everyone goes to school the next day talking about. It's like the issue that's so shocking everyone either loves or hates it. This is why Xmen3 is a better comic book film than then first two. Well done Ratner and crew. Bring on X4. Fuck singer and his safe ass movies.
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Cheese city! I liked part 3 as fun little popcorn movie. But who would buy these movies on DVD? Who cares. Mutants lol
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It really was a great finale, who knows-if singer had directed this installment it may have come off as foreplay or too resatrained like the first two-it needed this crescendo. it really worked. it makes the trilogy work now.
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It certainly was considerate of the bad guys to try to kill Old Man Worthington in the one possible way his son could have prevented.
As for Cyclops...sigh. I tried hard to mentally magnify his role in the first movie (he was always my favorite X-character).In the second I was nonplussed and disappointed in his brief screen time and his utter inability to accomplish anything at all. In the third...dead, and in the movie adaptation of one of the storylines in which he was most pivotal.
A better ending: at Alcatraz, the X-men, whose decision to defend the lab is far more clearly motivated than it was in the real movie, are on the ropes, poorly led, greatly outnumbered. Suddenly, that beam crashes out of nowhere, leveling an entire row of their opponents at once. There stands Cyclops, battered and traumatized, but still on his feet. He pulls them all together. Wolverine claws his way to Jean, but at the end he can't bring himself to finish her, and it's Cyke's shot that does the necessary job. -
They are taking away his balls, just like the did with Fonsie...trying to make him cuddly. What a shame.
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Not as good as X2. Didn't mind the plot, although it's quite a far cry from the original comic storyline which I love. I was worried about all the characters they were going to knock off, but the count wasn't as high as I expected, they can still make X4 with hopefully mohawk Storm. Sucks about Rogue, thought Iceman was entertaining, Kitty Pryde rules. Saw Da Vinci right after, Ian McKellen twice in a row, he's a great actor, kind of a crappy movie though. Then MI3 after that, dogshit. X3 is much (leaps and bounds) better than DVC and MI3.
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Remember who you're dealing with. Huge box office numbers just fuels the (f)ire with these haters. Mass audience appeal just proves their point. Those of us who love the film are traitors to their cause. It's borne out by the post above that says smart people know it sucked. I know that post didn't deserve any recognition, but it's symptomatic of the mentality of the elitist hypercritic. These people aren't happy unless they can portray themselves as victimized, a position that their fellow classmates put them in for not fitting in, then chose for themselves as a way to feel "above" the rest of society. Trust me on this - I've been there myself. So for those elitist hypercritic self-flagellating victims on here I say this: Let go of your anger. Let go of your hatred. Let go of the self-loathing you've fashioned into a wall around your heart and your life... Take a shower and take another trip to the theater, and this time, enjoy X3 for the greatness it offers and put aside your expectations and prejudices. It's okay to smile at the Danger Room sequence and the Sentinel head falling to the ground. It's okay to feel complete dread when Phoenix turns dark in her parent's house. It's okay to relish Storm's lightning bolts not once but twice during the movie. It's okay to appreciate Juggernaut the way he's presented without all of his backstory clogging up the movie. It's okay to feel glad with Rogue that her curse is lifted. It's okay to see Beast so well realized in both tone and action. It's okay to geek out at the fastball special. It's okay to truly doubt that this half-dozen X-men could take on the likes of Magneto, Phoenix and a whole bunch of mutants on their way to San Fran. It's okay to gasp at the sheer spectacle of the Gold Gate Bridge make its way to Alcatraz. All of these moments and so many more were so effective at stirring up emotions, at least to this movie-goer. It's okay for you to experience these same emotions just like I and 120 million dollars worth of other American movie-goers did. Do yourself a favor and give it another chance. Challenge yourself to see the wonders in it that everyone else did. Test your ability to let go of your preconceptions and enjoy it for what it is. Enjoying the experience won't be a betrayal to the fan you've become, but a chance to become the fan you once were once again.
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You make it sound as if "haters" are the only ones who hate.
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in't pay to see it, anyway. Good thing, because I would have been more disappointed I think. The only thing even remotely fun was the "Fastball Special" scene. Then a bunch of immensely powerful people bitching and whining. Tried to distance myself from my comic knowledge; that only made me dislike the film on it's own merits more. So like I said, walked out after Jean raped Logan. Bleh. Almost expected Jackman to cry out "No means no!". Thanks for nothing, Marvel.
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And to Childe and others who I'm arguing with (yes, I admit it), go ahead and enjoy your movie. You bet most of the flaws I listed were character-based -- because this movie has no one to root for! That is it's central problem! I don't need to argue this again, enough other people agree with me, here and elsewhere. For now, let's just agree to disagree (though my ex used to say that and I *hated* it, so I understand if you're not satisfied). We'll see how big a drop the second week takes. And we'll see how much "street cred" this movie has in five years time. I'll say it, I could be wrong -- but I doubt it. Lots of movies can make money, but very few of those big moneymakers are remembered as fondly in future years.
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The President said that they "think" the cure is viable. Magneto moving that chesspiece could mean otherwise. I just think if they choose to make more movies they could play it any way they wanted. If they wanted to make Rogue's character as she was in the comics, with the additional abilities, they could just say it was side-effect of the cure.
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Just saw the flick, and, yeah, not perfect, coulda used more time and cash, but jesus christ on roller skates, this is a fine comic book film. Jean/Phoenix was VERY well done, Jackman nails Logan again, much is given to us in short, concise bits, and if you do not like the body count, well, I don't know how else you keep the vehicle down to a managable number. I missed Nightcrawler, but not badly. And going forward we have all kinds of interested characters to follow into smaller flicks -- I just do not get the idea that there was too much in this movie.
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These people aren't just self loathing as ejcarter9 wrote they are also just plain ole envious and jealous. Guys and haters it's just a movie, it aint the Cure for AIDS or Cancer alright. Why you get joy out of trying to make people miserable is beyond me and a good doctor with the right kind of drugs can help with that affliction. You haters are borderline sociopaths. Seek help and learn to enjoy life instead of being bitter about your small peckers.
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So you're telling me you've never had an argument with anyone, ever, over whether or not a movie was any good? And everybody in the history of the world who's had one of those arguments is a "hater" with a small pecker? Just checking.
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that was beautiful dude
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I never argue, I state my opinion and ignore theirs, Can't argue opinions man, it's pointless. Everyone has different tastes but only mine is right.;)
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Uh, you did just post a comment to respond to another comment, didn't you? You're not 'ignoring' anybody. You're arguing. Sure, it's kind of a lame form of arguing, without using reason or any evidence to back up your claims, but it's arguing nonetheless. And fuck 'opinions'. Not all opinions are equal. A trained doctor's medical opinion is more accurate and reliable than a bus driver's medical opinion. And a Bus driver's opinion about a bus' mechanical failure is probably more valuable than a medical doctor's. Stupid people like to pretend that all opinions are equal, because it lets them off the hook from defending their point of view. It's like the old joke. The fact is, the X3 movie is an hour of mildly entertaining setup, during which most of the characters from the first two movies are sidelined/killed. Which wouldn't be such a deal-breaker, except the 'heroes' that are left are crowded out by all the new characters, the ethical arguments that fueled the conflict completely evaporate, and the plot and actions of the characters become completely ridiculous. And there's not even a reason to root for the 'good guys' any more, because the humans appear to be self-righteous authoritarian dickheads and Magneto goes from being a sympathetic badguy to a complete dickhead... who happens to be absolutely correct that the X-Men are stooges and traitors, thanks to a lazy scriptwriting team and a hack director with no patience for the simplest detail or gesture towards plausability. No one gives a fuck about Juggernaut's backstory. But dismantling the entire team and leaving a bunch of one-liners and a watered-down version of Wolverine is unacceptable. The movie had NO MAIN CHARACTER. It was emotionally and logically incoherent. People can laugh at the wire-fu and greenscreen effects in the first movie, but the characterizations(except for Rogue, who was still interesting, but vastly changed in adaptation) were dead on, and it was clear how and why the characters behaved the way they did. This was like an outline of a movie, paced so quickly that people almost didn't notice that there was no reason to sympathize with the 'good guys' or for any of the ridiculous set pieces to occur. Magneto's jailbreak in the second movie was a beautiful set piece that made absolute sense within the fantastic parameters of the character. His alliance with the X-Men also made sense from both a character and strategy point of view. Lifting the entire Golden Gate Bridge just to take a handful of mutants to Alcatraz, instead of say.... smashing the cure facility, made NO SENSE. Even though there were plot holes in why Jean found it necessary to leave the jet, Famke's perfomance and Singer's direction sold the scene emotionally. I can remember her limping away from the jet, giving a pained, loving glance back to the team. Contrast that to PROF X'S FUCKING FUNERAL, and I can't remember a single thing that non-entity Halle Berry said. Limp dialogue, bad acting, flat direction. People DESCRIBE these scenes as if they make sense, but there' no connective tissue, no cause and effect or character development or thematic unity that drives the story. The whole movie plays like a DESCRIPTION of a movie, with all the 'whys' and 'hows' completely left out. And seriously.... How is it that no one... NO ONE, either one of the characters or one of the screenwriters, thought of using Rogue against Phoenix? It would have brought about a nice circular return to her use in the first movie, and created an interesting character conflict.... on the one hand, she wants the cure, but on the other hand, she might be the most effective weapon against Jean. And then imagine that the team distracts Jean enough to allow Rogue to play a key role in defeating/killing Phoenix... but during the battle the cure/Jimmy is destroyed and Rogue is stuck forever. Now that could be dramatic. But no. Wolverine (who basically is just one of many side characters, almost ignored through half the movie) stabs her, Hank turns 180 DEGREES regarding his ethics in using the cure, and Rogue just takes the cure and goes, 'it's what I wanted. And my contract is up. Seeya.' Crap.
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you are really starting to frighten me. You give a bad name to Stupid Cocksucking Nerds Who Lap up Shit and Smile, And When They Smile You Can See the Turd-Peanuts Stuck in Their Teeth. And I thought they had a pretty bad name already. Now will you shut the fuck up with your scary paranoid fantasy of the Kaiser Soze of internet talkbacks, and go back to your rigorous schedule of self-abuse and tin-foil-hat folding.
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........limp, mediocre....................wasted potential....like a lot of this franchise was. anyway on to better things i guess...you know...like, plastic man.
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And got a lot of applause at the end in my theater. What are you people smokin? Some real good shit. MI3 was FAR FAR better.
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Okay, but can't it then be said that a lot (not all, not even necessarily most, but a lot) of the people here who have been negative about the movie and who you promptly lumped into one category were just passing by and stating their opinion?
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The vast majority of the criticism I've read (throughout the internet and especially on AICN) that was either that it didn't follow the comics or someone's favorite character wasn't used. Sorry, you're not a paid studio consultant. How about judging what is there instead of what isn't?
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If that was the case they wouldn't keep heaping it on like that Negator asshole. Guys like that are just trying to make the people who liked it feel bad. It's that whole big lie thing. Guys like him are trying to break everything down to small little bits and pieces of hate so that that little bit of hate can grow.
Have you ever seen any studies on peer pressure and conditioning/ They find that most people will eventually go with the pack if the pack constantly hounds the others. Not all but most.They did an experiment where a guy goes into an elevator and everyone in the elevator is looking left. At first the guy kinda giggles and tries to ignore it but eventually after a few floors of people coming and going but still looking left he eventually folded and looked left too. They also did a similar experiment where the guy was in a clasroom setting.and was asked a question as was everyone in the class. he was the only one who got the question right but after a few minutes time, maybe ffteen of watching his classmates getting questions wrong he too folded and went with the crowd. That's what these idiots are attempting to do here by constantly repeating the bleeting cry of horrible movie, bad flick, bad effects, bad acting, blah, blah. I'm sure enough people have already started to wonder if maybe the movie wasn't all that.
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I wouldn't really care what character the film focused on, as long as it CHOSE ONE. Singer made changes, but they were almost always changes that served the story and created interesting character dynamics. Yeah, Rogue was way different in her film incarnation, but she provided a perfect anchor for Wolverine's heroic side, while serving efficiently as a plot device. Hank McCoy, Kitty, Colossus, Juggernaut, Angel, Callisto.... None of these characters added anything significant to the story, and none of them showed development or stimulated development in the other characters. They were just powers with names and faces. And the characters from the first film got shafted (except for the boring-and-always-miscast Halle Berry, who did nothing with her expanded screen time). I'm not saying that X3 should've been all reluctant and angsty like Spider-Man 2(although that film is across-the-board excellent), but there should have been some articulation of what differentiated the good guys an the bad guys, other than the plot demanding it. And there should have been a point of view that helped the audience sypathize with the 'heroes'. The only character who was remotely consistent was Magneto. While I love Ian McKellan and his interpretation of the character, it's a PROBLEM if he's the most understandable character in an X-Men story. In the first movie, McKellan was always somewhat sympathetic, but when it came down to it, Wolverine articulated EXACTLY HOW Magneto was 'full of shit'. The X-Men in X3 were XMINO, just protecting The Man because... that's what characters in mindless, illogical blockbusters do. I wouldn't hate this movie if it was titled 'Mortal Kombat: Mutie Fight'. But this was a piss-poor X-Men movie. And those of you who compare this with Return of the Jedi... No. Imagine Return of the Jedi if they killed off Luke, Lando, and Leia a half hour into the film.... Then, for no reason, the screenwriter switch Han's personality with Luke's, and his screen time is reduced by 1/3 because he has to share time with six lame new characters that no one has ever seen before. And instead of Vader turning against the emperor, Han tries to talk Vader into returning to the good side and fails. For the entire movie, he swears that he won't kill Vader, because there's still good in him. But when he fails to convince Vader to join him, he just shrugs and kills Vader AND the Emperor while doing A BITCHIN' DOUBLE BACK-FlIP! That would be like X-Men 3.
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...I'm not saying EVERYONE who disliked the movie is being relatively peaceful. If I had seen it and liked it and someone told me that I was "part of the problem" or whatever, then I'd get pissed off too, probably.
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No one else's opinions about what I like matters to me. In Fact I really have no interest in trying to get people to like what I like. I don't even really care if the movie made any money as long as I liked it. What all the people who went to see it think is irrelevant to me.
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...there's peer pressure coming from the "X3 rules" side as well. I know for almost everyone (myself included) we tend to notice the offenses perpetrated by the side contrary to our biases (not saying that's good, it's just something that tends to happen), but it is worth noting. That's the whole reason people who usually don't give a shit about how much money movies make suddenly become armchair box office gurus, I think. ******* On another other note, I'm not sure I buy part of that study of yours; if everybody who walks into an elevator looks left, you're naturally going to assume they're looking at something, methinks. Can't really fault the poor guy for that. The other one about a group of people convincing him he had the wrong answer, on the other hand, is unfortunate. Guess it just demonstrates how necessary it is to watch out for peer pressure, whatever form it takes.
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Fair enough. I'd rather have Singer's dick in my mouth than Ratner/Penn/Kinberg/Rothman's sloppy diarrhea. Enjoy your meal.
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After the first night the film was out i just gave up. People WANT mindless bullshit. They NEED it. You see they don't actually want to think in a film, they want to think they are thinking. The real thing would be too difficult and besides only pretentious people want good movies right? They really can't differenciate bad from good acting, directing, or writing and they really don't give a shit how these characters are portrayed on screen as long as they somewhat resemble in ANY offhanded way the characters they are named after. You try to make any logical sense to these people they think you are some sort of cinematic terrorist who hates their happiness. They need to realize that because one enjoys something does not make it good. And they have to realize that people who care about these characters want a good product and now we have to wait another few years before we get another crack at it. Add to that the fact that this movie was successful making the studio think that poorly rushed garbage is what people want so the people getting fucked here are the true fans. And finally Negator thank you for diffusing the "Return of the Jedi" argument outright, you are unargubaly dead on and hopefully we'll hear no more of it.
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Just what do these true fans want? I mean besides 3-hr., $200m. X-Men movies released every six-months, each following a well-thumbed comic book storyline to a T. Get with it fuckwits -- movie studios make movies, not running internal naratives of the socially retarded. Toss in the petty pissiness of the fanboy crowd -- oh, the outright tantrums, just like 3-year-olds, only with slightly more hair on their nutsacks -- and the world is turned upside down. My director! (footstamp) My script! (footstomp) My budget! (pout) My release date! (whine) Now suck daddy's pee-pee and make it all better, my Third World, mail-order bride. (Unzips pants, reaches for Doritos, and 15th re-write of John Carter Does Mars movie.) Pathetic. And you dopes fall right in line. X3 is a good to great flick, the Jean Grey/Logan bit especially so. It wraps up what Singer started quite well. Going forward we have a very compelling Iceman and of course Wolvie to revisit in less than full X-Men scenarios. The mutant universe has been explained to us, its conflicts and choices, so Marvel can go lots of different directions. Or none at all. Which I suppose is the choice of the True Fan.
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It's a nice thought, but it sure as shit ain't guaranteed until it comes out. And I'm not so sure an extended or directors cut is likely . . . probably just deleted scenes, many sans score or FX, that hints as to what might have been a better movie (although, note, I enjoyed X3 and I think most of the haters are silly, but I suppose as long as they are getting their rocks off with the hating, they're enjoying it in their own way, so cool). Love to be wrong about that and see an extended addition with another half-hour of film, none of it featuring Halle Berry.
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...is whatever valid criticisms might be hiding somewhere deep beneath all that seething, devoted fanboy fueled hate of the "common" fan. Personally I don't think X3 was the Return of the Jedi of the series, but I can understand why someone who liked x2 a lot more and still enjoyed this would make such a comparison. Your what-if argument about how that analogy doesn't hold up simply doesn't hold up under its own weight. Let's talk about what they DID do in Jedi. First, they rushed the fuck out of a lot of big reveals and character development, most of which was handled in exposition by Ben Kenobi's ghost on Dagobah and had all the emotional impact and resonance of a popcorn fart outside a paper mill. And did you not notice the fucking Ewoks? They were supposed to be Wookies, you know. How much cooler would that movie have been then? But we don't get to evaluate the version of the movie where Luke realizes he's been daydreaming about banging his sister and has to come to grips with that at the same time he deals with being lied to by his mentor and ghostly father figure (from a certain point of view my ass). We don't get to evaluate the version where Wookies are ripping the arms off of Stormtroopers left and right, because that isn't the movie we got. The movie we got had Ewoks and virtually all of the actors playing main characters phoning in their roles because they knew (and were glad) this was the last film they were contractually obligated to make. So, especially from the perspective of an uptight fanboy, you really ought to be able to see the validity between a Jedi/X3 comparison. And Industry Killer: of the very few legitimate (meaning basede on the movie we actually got and not on years of comic-continuity and character baggage, although all were still highly subjective) criticisms of cinematic form and technique that have been expressed concerning X3 in this and other talkbacks, you still haven't offered one of your own. So stop with the "They really can't differenciate bad from good acting, directing, or writing" bullshit. You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. In happier news, I'm really glad Be like water seems to understand now how his dislike of the film and other people's like of the film can co-exist without jeopardizing the balance of the universe and without anyone necessarily having to be stupid for holding their own opinion. Now if only the other typing monkeys could learn...
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Too short, none of the "emotional" moments had any sort of impact, just totally underwhelming. A couple of the set pieces were good, but silly at the same time. Plus, the final 2 scenes (including the coda after the credits) COMPLETELY negate everything that happened in the film. If, at the end of the film, everything goes back to the way they were, then what the fuck was the point of the film? It's as if they were covering their ass just in case fans didn't like it when their favorite characters died. If you're going to be so "bold" as to kill off major characters, at least have the balls to make it stick. This just reeked of cheap tricks and the studio covering of the franchise's ass should a 4th one ever be greenlit. And seriously, you fucking Ratner haters need to get a clue. The man is an average, fairly competant director. Nothing special, but no Uwe Boll, either. The PROBLEM with this film lay with the script and the obvious money making choices behind it, not the damn direction. MAKE NO MISTAKE, IT WAS THE WRITERS AND PRODUCERS THAT KILLED THIS BEAST, NOT THE DIRECTOR. A good director can make crap worth watching. An average director can only work with what he's been given, and this script was not up to par by any stretch.
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nearly as good as it should have been [And I'm no fanboy]. That Iceman/pyro fight? They've been building that up for 2 full films and the fight lasts maybe 15 seconds. 15!!! That's ridiculous. The film was filled with missed opportunities like that.
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Yet strangely you've basically just proven everything I said to be true. And I'm not DocPazuzu, to anyone who actually believes his garbage about multiple usernames.
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And a compelling trilogy it was. I believe they are making room for the "Apocolypse" trilogy or something similar. The stakes are raised - and I'm pretty sure they will introduce the Astral Plane where Xavier is definitely residing - he ain't dead - I think that "ethics" lecture he begins sort of alludes to this (tranferring consciousness and whatnot)
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I just read a description of that after-the-credits scene in a comment above - I guess this actually is happening.
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What is it like to sit in a pool of your own pee while inhaling the bitter smell of your own desperation? Give it up, son.
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I actually agree with many of Negator's points, especially about not having a strong character to guide us through, like Wolverine and Rogue in the first film. Beast and Angel could have been that, but they were both pushed aside for all the 'action.' They could have emphasized the physical deformity issue with Warren, which is why many mutants would want the cure. It would have been great if they had a Beak character - you know, a mutant that wasn't a pretty person with powers. But again, they still could have used Beast and Angel (and Nightcrawler - hello!) to emphasize the cure issues through physical deformity. And to the above poster who said Rogue would never seek the cure in the comics, that's blatantly false. I can't remember the issue, but Rogue did try for a cure when she went to see some doctor who had a device, but he wound up being a front for one of the villains (Sinister?) Anyway, I liked Joss' ideas for an X sequel, in which everyone's powers were out of control, Wolvie more feral, Iceman too icy, Rogue permanently absorbing someone and going a bit nuts. That could have been an interesting contrast to the Phoenix story and the cure, but this film chose to go for the go-go-go action mode that didn't give the story (and the characters) its due. In fact, I feel very similarly about this film as I did for Goblet of Fire - enjoyed it as an action film, but it suffered in terms of character, style, and a sense of importance of the events - something that I definitely got from Azkaban and X1 and X2. Finally, in a recent interview, Avi did speculate on what would happen if you could reverse Phoenix's de-materialization process. Hey, if the can bring back Aeryn and Crichton from little pieces in Farscape, they can rematerialize Scott and Xavier!I just hope we get a truly crazed Wolverine at some point in the spinoff.
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was represented in the trailer? It was edited differently- Logan never delivered his line: "Magneto's got an army out there, you might not come home, she might not come home, are you ready for that?" I kind of missed that line, it was one of the better ones, and it would have made that scene a lot better. Also, anyone else notice there was a scene missing with Angel? After he shows up at the mansion, and before the X-Men leave, you see him eavesdropping on their discussion, the next time you see him he's magically in San Fran. Wouldn't it have made more sense if, during that scene where Iceman says "there's only six of us", Angel should have offered his help? that would have given a reason for him to be in the movie at all. Also, where the fuck was Nightcrawler?
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...on the whole X3 being the last X-film thing. Before seeing the third movie, I would've called him a money-grubbing hypocrite and told him to stick with his first instinct to cap it off as a trilogy. Since seeing X3, however, I'm more inclined to say "thanks." I could go for more of these...especially if they find a way to bring back Cyke and give him his due. Maybe he was in the company of a certain pale-skinned geneticist through most of X3? And maybe that sinister scientist is fronting for a certain aged mutant intent on bringing about the Apocalypse? You never know.
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But let's do something about it! Let's get together and make a fucking movie worth watching! Something so fucking brilliant fanboys everywhere will HAVE to concede our movie is worth plunking down 10 bucks for! Something so ripe with vision that EVERYONE will have to love it. Hello? Anyone? No? Oh, that's right. No one here has any fucking clue how to even begin making a movie at all. And even if you did, no one's up to the monumental task of working hard enough to even be noticed. No one's up to earning their way high enough up the ranks to be trusted with the opportunity to make a flick for Marvel. Oh well, back to impotent complaining land.
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Gotta disagree with you here. The main problem was NOT the script - it was the direction. Now I've said quite a few times that I wished the writers had done one thing or another, or different choices for scenes (I too, was expecting Angel to offer his help in that scene - it would have made so much more sense - he knew his father's facilities, and it would establish him as a potential team member.) But on the whole, the movie still could have worked a whole lot better with the script it had if there was more creative direction. A good director would have made those 'underwhelming' emotional moments you mentioned work. With more time to take in those moments, we could have felt something - and here I mostly blame the editing, but ultimately the director has final say on that. Every emotional moment was quickly cut away from (Beast's encounter with Leech, Magneto's castigating Pyro for dissing Charles, the last freakin' shot - every moment with the odd exception of those shots of the team in the Blackbird on the way to Alcatraz was just undermined). Say what you want about Singer, he could make the emotional character moments work. I also blame the lackluster score which could have helped the emotional moments, quite a let down from Michael Kamen's score on the first film. Another creative decision that was ultimately up to the director. Finally, framing, shot length, cinematography were all just average and didn't pack the punch of the earlier films. Everyone's saying Ratner turned in a competent job. They're right. Just competent, not brilliant or creative in any way. A better director would have made a better movie, even with the script exactly as is. Period.
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for one reason, that god awful theme that first appeared when Cyc and Storm show up. PURE SHIT. The scene when Logan holds Rogue at the end almost made up for that......almost. Best tracks in the trilogy are the title theme in X2, and the egyptian sounding theme when Wolvie is walking up to "Phoenix" in X3. Sidenote on Kamen: I always thought a reworked version of "No Leaf Clover" from his collaboration with Metallica on the S&M album, would have been a great theme for my dream X-men tv series.
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to be honest, I don't remember the Cyc/Storm thing you're referring to - I always think of the Wolverine/Rogue theme that perfectly and subtly punctuated that scene in X1. Granted, as a whole, the soundtrack was unmemorable, but it worked when it needed to, unlike the overblown crap for X3.
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Fuck You. It continues all of the storielines from the previous movie just like X2 did for X1.
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The sunset to night transition, which has been remarked upon ad nauseum, and Iceman icing up. Didn't want that to happen at all, but they went ahead and did it. Otherwise, perfect perfect perfect and perfect.
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they should've used the entire Claremont/Byrne run as the basis for the series. They could have had 5 to 6 unbelievable films. And they should have used the old colorful costumes, not the lame generic black leather ones. Which suck and did nothing to differentiate the characters. And who did the effects for X3? The same peeps who did Star Trek 5?! WETA should have done the damned effects. Ahh what a wasted opportunity. The comic books were more enjoyable than watching the movies.
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It was the same tune that played as Xavier was leaving Magneto's prison at the end of X1. Super Cheesy.
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I doubt anyone could pull that off. The new full suit Cyclops might've worked, but the classic outfits, especially Wolvie's, would not translate at all.
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your last post...brilliant
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I have to agree with Harry on this one. Even if you're not a comic book purist, X3 will be a disappointment. The characterizations were so incredibily thin that at the end, I barely recognized any of the characters from the last movie. They were just shells to me. The X-men movies all had at the core an emotional depth that elevated them from other superhero movies. This one didn't. Phoenix story - started off good, decent buildup, but pretty lame ending. Cyclops death - unemotional and disrespectful of the character. Angel - 20 minutes wasted on this character for the most ridiculously pointless "redemption" scene at the end. Rogue - OMG they really f**ked up her character in this one! Storm - more scenes don't equal better character, yeah she was pretty lame. Wolverine - probably the only character I really liked, but then it's Wolverine. Magneto - ok he was cool as usual, but that don't make up for the rest. Basically, everything and everyone I liked about the last 2 movies got kind of trashed in this one. The very final scene after teh credits did a little to redeem it, but not nearly enough. Like I said, I'm not a comic book purist. In fact, I think when it comes to X-men they need to take plenty of liberties with the story to make it work. The other ones did that and they rocked because the story was well told and the characters seem real, even if it didn't follow the comics word for word. X3 was just way off base both as an adaptation and as an action movie. Sure, I'm still glad I saw it on the big screen, but BIG BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
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Okay, time out. Whether or not you liked X3 or thought it was garbage, can we all at least agree that homewrecker is a fucking weirdo?
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I'd just like to thank you for your spot-on review of this film. In all my years of watching movies, I have never before been actually ANGRY at the directions a film has taken until now, and frankly I despair. I simply fail to understand how Stan Lee, who created many of these characters, and wrote them for a long while, could put his name to this monstrosity. It's a crude strip-mining of 40 years of comics, with hackish lines apportioned according to each star's demands. It devalues the first two films - they were clearly leading up to something - was it really this? As Steve Rogers said, you can't do Phoenix without Cyclops. It's all there, the plots, visual ideas, character. How hard can it be? If I hadn't been with my girlfriend (at Manchester's Odeon gallery, great double seats and unlimited food), I'd have walked when Cyke was (in every sense) wasted. At that point, I lost any illusion I was watching an X-Men movie. Sure you can kill him, you can kill Wolverine, Storm, whoever. But not like that. Not when you're doing Jean Grey's story. Was there any reason for Warren to be in this movie? For Rogue? Colossus? Was there any reason for Jean to be in this movie at all? Bryan Singer is partly to blame here, the worst that can be said for his films is that this third one doesn't feel out of place next to them, just cruder, less polished. Like the man above said, let this be "Days Future Past". Only time travel can wipe this stain from my aching eyeballs.
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The fact that you throw words like "homo" and "Jew" around as insults, regardless of whether or not you're doing it "ironically" (because, y'know, tricking people into think you're a bigot just to watch them get offended is so hilarious), means that I don't really give a shit what you think about X-Men -- or much of anything else, for that matter.
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The fuck is that supposed to mean Homewrecker? Ok well at least now I can take comfort in the fact that this sites biggest X3 proponent is a lunatic.
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X3 was great, slightly better than X2 and X1, still in the same look and feel, the characters are all definitely there and evolving.
The only two negative things my group of friends discussed is about the fact that bending the bridge was totally unnecessary, and at one point in the last quater of the movie it becomes obvious that Famke is really just standing there, mute, and not doin anything. So they could have made the movie without her (and without Xavier's death) and save it for later.
We had not read any of the spoilers before going to the film. I think people should set asside their prejudice against the directory and enjoy the movie like we, and Ebert and Roeper did.
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I just don't get what the nay sayers view point (although they're entitled) on this. I thought it was great with no justifications such as it was great for rattner and the time he had, but that it was great. Flawed but great. The one big grip i had was the Day/Night bridge scene. Slopppy editing choice. As far as folks argument of character development and waisted characters, pfft you heard me pfft. It's a large universe with many character just like the books you focus on some and touch on others. You can have gripes with who they chose to focus on but thats a creative choice. After all the eh reviews of beast I was concerned but Damn! He was spot on. I just didn't see the whole blue monkey suit point of view (Harry) I thought the make up was great!!! Kelsey GREAT!!! Griping about death in comics PUH-LEEAASE, In fact these same said characters HAVE died in the comic. The Phoenix Great! You act that that's the end of story. Perhaps if they revisit it, it will be determained that there was always a cosmic force behind Jeans powers or the cosmic force chose to resurrect her because of her potential. As an introduction it was great. I would love to see them explore that in a trilogy. One last thing The flavor and feel of the characters and settings change from book to book or creative team to creative team such is the case with movies. I thought it was a nice end to a "trilogy". BEWARE THE POWER OF HEY LOOK COWS!
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i mean so bad of a film that it's insulting to the audience. and the audience was pretty bored, some people walked out even. i'm a fan of the comics but my friends aren't and it was unanimous, this is just horrible filmmaking that panders to ADD 10 year olds. also I'm no way suprised that there are people who did appreciate it, because I'm sure these same people appreciated Van Helsing and XXX: State of the Union.
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this is the last word on the day/night scene: THE FUCKING SUN WAS SETTING!
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It's jarring. Watch it again. It's an hour from dark, they walk fifty feet, and the sun has gone down. On the other hand, they didn't mention there was a mutant with Magneto whose power was to bring on early sunset. Thus, the sudden day/night transition is easily explained.
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And will probably drag my friend to it next week. Then Vern, I guess I required to preorder the dvd, aren't I? :P Like I said before, X-men is like pizza, no matter how crappy it may be, it's still good. Oh, and Wolverine is like Pepperoni. Totally overrated, but still needed.
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X3 had the same misfortune of so many 'triquels' of following a movie classic w/o some of the originality and key creators of the first two. The negative buzz helped though, because it wasn't the disaster lamented here. It was an eye popping, but forgettable, by-the-numbers, popcorn movie w/o much character and heart despite the tragic deaths. Or more succinctly, just like DC. There just wasn't time or the skill to give it nuance. I thought Magneto becoming "one of them" though, was striking and obviously worse than death for him. Whether we care about box office or not, I guarantee you it's a lot more important to the studio than reviews. Important to fans who want to see more of the same (good or bad). They're not making $100+ million films for the fun of it. You can be sure of one thing, this franchise is headed for a 4th installment because money talks and the rest walks. They must be careful about bringing back dead characters though, the lifeblood of a series like this is change. Let them RIP for at least one installment. Thanks to SPIDEY 2, these movies have gotten the courage to make bold changes and find new fresh paths from the comics. Are you listening DC? That last Batman was totally unecessary even if halfway decent. Maybe Singer can do for them what he and Raimi did for Marvel. Ain't it all cool though?
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My guess, is that there is a missing scene. Magneto giving one last speech before the battle, or possibly Worthington and BEROOOOOZ's mom reacting to the mutants. Hell, it could have been a scene explaining how Angel got their so fast. (Thus why they axed it so him saving his pops is a surprise.)
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For the most part, enjoyed it even more the second time around. A few defects stuck out a little more, like Halle Berry's performance, the forced insertion of unnecessary Storm scenes, Wolverine's pep-talk-instead-of-warning. The day-to-night transition and Juggernauts weirdo abs. But on the whole I liked it even more. A little limper in than X2 (and sometimes X1), but entirely understandable given the deadlines and that they wouldn't wait for Marsden so he could have a beefier role. Makes me hope for an X4, I'll say that much, but, generally, I liked it very much.
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... you're just lying. If you have a negative opinion, fine, but don't discredit yourself by lying like that. It's beyond pathetic...
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She can do things like bring down heavy clouds . Take note of the mist in the air as the night falls and only seconds later the X-jet cloaks and lands on the roof.
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I gotta say, if anyone's clutching at straws around here it's you. It's like saying that the stormtrooper ran into the door because of the inherent problems with cloning so many of one Jake The Muss. That's not why it was there. It was just a rubbish shot, plain and simple. Same with X3. Nuance beyond limited minds? You're taking the piss, right?
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I noted the quick change when I was watching it but figured Storm did it and that's just another scene trimmed for time like so many other scenes. Argue and complain all you want, it's possible. Does everything have to be spelled out for you haters. This wasn't an episode of Sesame Street( Couldn't help that, New baby and he loves SS and Barney and Clifford)
halfmahalf serious question. Did you have reservations about this movie before it came out? Was it due to this site, Ratner, The leaked Script? If you did, then why did you go see it. It's like an old saying I made up. "I don't need to step in shit to know it's going to stink and stick to my shoes and follow me around for the rest of the day".
Now if and only if you had issues site unseen, with this flick would you still go see it/ Are you a masochist or is there another agenda