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I am – Hercules!!

The nice lady’s list reads:

Jack Shepard
Kate Austen
Hugo Reyes
James Ford

Not:
Claire Littleton
Sayid Jarrah
Charlie Pace
John Locke

Why the fuck did they pick those four? What the fuck could they want with fucking Sawyer?? (Are they having trouble coming up with catchy nicknames for each other??)

These are the questions that keep us coming back to ABC Wednesday nights. Here’s another. Why can’t Zeke Friendly be bothered to grow a real beard?

Also? What if hatch-boy Desmond is on that boat out there? What if Desmond is just back from Honolulu and didn’t like what he found there AT ALL? Why doesn’t Walt use his superpowers to escape his captors? What if Libby was employed by the Hanso Foundation? What if John Locke made sure Mr. Eko didn’t type the numbers and something REALLY FUCKING HUGE happened? What if Ian Somerhalter and Maggie Grace were not the only season-one regulars not destined to make it to season three?

What. If.

“They’re pretending!”

“You know him as ‘Sawyer’.”

8 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.







Ahoy, squirts! Quint here from New Mexico. I'm on a last minute secret mission, but I made damn sure my plane landed with enough time to get me to a TV for tonight's Season Finale. I'm a LOST superfan, if you haven't gathered. I'll leave all talk about the big 2 hour finale to the talkbacks below, but I wanted to share some LOST related news with ya'.

Today, McFarlane Toys announced they have the LOST license and will be releasing a series of LOST toys, hitting stores late Fall. I will own every single one, especially if they look as good as Charlie here:





The first line has these figures from Season 1 of the show: Hurley (yay!), Jack, Kate, John Locke (yay!), Charlie (above) and Shannon (grrrrooowwwlll). Don't worry, Saywer and Mr. Eko appear in Series 2. Much like McFarlane did with the MATRIX toys, they will also release dioramas featuring key sequences from the show, including the hatch. So, finally McFarlane isn't just putting out random Dragons, Nascar drivers and Baseball players. Looks great so far... Now, back to your regularly schedule programming...



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BAD TWIN!!!

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  • May 24, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    NOT FIRST

    by optimus122

    I love this show

  • May 24, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, I am soo there....

    by Billyeveryteen

    I hope Michael gets his.

  • May 24, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    I don't think Michael can ever be redeemed....so this

    by Mahaloth

    might be it for him.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    THIRD!

    by Wolfman57

    Sorry, I've never been this early to post before.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Oh, well.

    by Wolfman57

    Dammit, I knew it was to good to be true.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Fantasy

    by VibroCount

    Lost has become less of a fantasy world than the world of Jack Bauer... yet it contains as much (or more) of the fantasy it has always had.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    I HATE That "I Know Something You Don't" BS...

    by hipcheck13

    ...seriously, Herc. It comes across as smarmy and annoying, not hip and "connected."

  • May 24, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Harold Perrineau (Michael) is not a regular next season

    by Brother Desmond

    So, he could definitely be killed tonight. Maybe only show up in flashbacks from now on. This according to Spoilerfix.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    **Spoiler**

    by nycman100

    This might only count as a minor spoiler and might have been mentioned in a previous tb but....in tonight's episode The Kurgen, Clancy Brown is listed a guest star. Is he the man in charge? The second I saw him in the Sayid flashback episode I knew he would be back, he is too big a name and does bad guys better then anyone else to not be back. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! One what? I have no idea.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Thank you Herc. If anyone ever wondered why...

    by Shermdawg

    I spend most of my time on AICN, in the Coaxial talkbacks, it's because the rest of this site is sooo fucking depressing. At least today it is.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Who knows him as James Ford?

    by Squashua

    Hurley knows him as James Ford. Locke knows him as James Ford. Kate and Jack have heard him being referred to as "James" by Locke. Michael was given his true name by The Others. Who isn't on Michael's list? Locke. Who told The Others?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    David Lynch Says: Season 3?--Break Out The Midgets!

    by www.valiens.com

    I'm sorry was the pretty black lady's name "Mrs. Clue?" I almost spit grape-aid through my nose on that one. I'm sure it's not her real name and all but...even so...COME ON! That was the first horrible moment of the series for me. Wait. Scratch that. The second. The first was when they did that clip episode a few weeks back getting everyone caught up just in time for the season to end. BOO!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Squashua

    by Banky the Hack

    I think they got his real name from the passenger manifest that Ethan might have stolen a glance at in season one. Or perhaps the passenger manifest that they have if they or Dharma arranged this entire incident.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Someone pointed out that the chosen four...

    by Shermdawg

    had seen things on the island. Jack saw his dad, Hurley saw his imaginary friend, Kate and Sawyer saw the horse. But the horse deal might disqualify that theory because they both saw it.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    nycman100 - *spoiler*

    by LilOgre

    Clancy Brown will be playing KELVIN Inman aka the Kelvin that Desmond spoke about. Who he is beyond that is up for speculation.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Her name was Klugh

    by Banky the Hack

    I believe

  • May 24, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Redemption

    by kholden88

    There is none, at least for Michael. Walt or no, what he did damned him. I sincerely hope Hurley is the one to find out, and dole out justice. I still can't get over that. I was waiting to find out he was mind-controlled, or under specific orders to kill... but no. There's no forgiving him now.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hurley or Hugo

    by Redlegs

    Has Hurley told anyone on the island that his real name is Hugo. Michael and the list both used the name Hugo. On the subject of Hurley, Michael must has ball of steel. At the funeral when Hurley turn and faces Michael, he didn't jump at all. If I had just killed the dude's girlfriend, I would have shit.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST

    What if Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sawyer were the Fantastic 4

    by SpyGuy

    Sorry, Herc's article suddenly reminded me of the classic Marvel Comics series WHAT IF...? But you gotta admit, it would be funny to see Sawyer belted by cream pies or tarred & feathered by the Yancy Street Gang.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Hurley Names

    by FordPerfect

    I like Stay-Puft, and Jabba

  • May 24, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Uh, I think I'm LOST

    by TheJake

    Last weeks episode was confusing as all hell - I want some frickin answers!! And I want them like NOW! 9pm cannot come fast enough. I have a feeling that Walt is actually a mutant with sharp claws that also happens to be a decendant of Jesus Christ. I pose a theory for your approval: The writers of LOST have no frickin clue where the story is going - they're just gonna kick back and ride the ratings until American Idol completely drowns them out. In the end we'll get a Dallas-style, or worse, a St. Elsewhere-style finale. Bummer.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Hurley justice

    by zacdilone

    I agree that seeing Hugo dole out some revenge on Michael would be very satisfying, but it begs the question--what would Hurley-style justice look like?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Possible synopsis that herc seems to be referring to

    by KoozyK

    Here is a synopsis copied from an IMDB poster that some are saying is BS. http://forums.go.com/abc/oceanic/thread?threadID=1085696#13564504 The person who posted has no cred and may be having fun with everything. I guess some people have a lot of fun making fan fiction. The information herc refers to is also in this thread.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    TheJake

    by FordPerfect

    I say Nay to you Sir! I didn't like 3 minutes all that much but it was okay. As for everything else you just spoke of, I am going to have to disagree. If you read interviews with the cast this season about what has happened this season, they will tell you that they trust the producers. After reading some scripts they were confused, but then after reading the next couple of scripts they said it all made sense, and that they have a plan. The big question is going to be how will the series end? Everyone has been talking about it sense last season, so the producers have been working on it. However, if they screw it up and give us something that is similar to what you posted (i.e. Dallas, St. Elsewhere) then they will be totally screwed because they had all the time in the world to think about it. I don't think this will happen. I think that they already know how it is going to end and they have all the major arcs already planned out.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:52 a.m. CST

    I agree With you 'TheJake"

    by KoozyK

    Last week was not a proper lead into the finale. i still don't think they gave proper motive for Michael to do what he did. I believe that Michael is actually sick. In this picture (http://lost-media.com/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1065&pos=19 ) it shows michael with a weird rash on his body in at least three locations. I think he is actually getting sick and crazy in the head (like the french woman said that happened to her party).

  • May 24, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    TheJake...Start time

    by fignootin

    Lost starts early tonight, on the east coast anyway. So dont wait until 9 to plop down in front of the tv, it begins at 8.

  • May 24, 2006, 10 a.m. CST

    But I thought

    by beefywhore

    Hurley swore to his father never to use Hamster-Style again...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST

    LOST Starts at 9 not 8 (East Coast)

    by FordPerfect

    At 8 it is a recap show! 9 is when it airs for real!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    GirthFerguson - Spoiler?

    by KoozyK

    it's not spoiler! it's a theory based on a promo photo that has been released by abc! chill out. it's nothing worse than what herc posted and what others said above. don't read the talkback if you don't want to be unspoiled.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    The recap

    by KoozyK

    it's the same recap show they aired on 4/26. they could've at least recut an new recap or found something else to air. it just screams of laziness on abc's part.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    FordPerfect

    by fignootin

    Ah, thanks. Frickin recap.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    McFarlane Toys to Launch LOST Action Figures Series

    by LilOgre

    One word: Yeeeesssssssssssss!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Redlegs

    by ECUPirate71

    Hurley told someone, I think Jack or Charlie, about his name when they were playing golf. He explained that Hurley was a nickname, but I don't think they ever explained why.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    all i know

    by isildur29

    is that if Jack, Locke, Sayid, Jin, Eko, Sawyer, Kate, or Hurley die I'll be pissed

  • May 24, 2006, 10:45 a.m. CST

    What if....

    by Riccardogogo

    .....those rumours about a dead comic book nerd named Aaron masterminding the events in Lost turned out to be about as accurate as a certain other rumour regarding The Sopranos? And, What if, a living, breathing, real life comic book nerd refused to condemn the year's biggest Turkey? (Da Vinci code) Well, that would make this site totally pointless. AICN: You ain't worth shit anymore.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I hear that

    by Wheel99

    they open a new hatch and then when they go in the walk in on Vito rapeing Finn!!! Oh and Spoiler!

  • May 24, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    My image of Hurley Style Justice

    by cookylamoo

    Screaming Michael being absorbed into Hurley's white mass like Donald Plesance in Fantastic Voyage.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    What happens tonight....

    by strongbadmonkey

    I'll tell you what happens! Little aliens burst forth from AnaL's rotting corpse in the form of a half hispanic/half white trash Chucky-like form and reap havic on the island. Hurley performs self-liposuction and commits necrophelia on Libby. Kate and Jack make non-stop babies in the hatch while Eko gives them his blessing. They find out the plane crashed because Charlie's drugs plugged up the bathroom and if you don't push the buttons, no talkbacks appear on AICN. And I will watch. I will watch because I can't not watch. And because watching American Idol would commit my soul to hell for all eternity. SOUL PATROL!!!!!!!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Michelle Rodriguez in jail!

    by quadrupletree

    Thank god the show distanced themselves from that train wreck ASAP (intentionally or not). She looks like she's been crying in her mug shot they released. Ooh Michelle let me taste your tears, ooh yum, ohhh, the tears of unfathomable sadness, mmm, yummy... yummy you guys! Bwaah hahahahaha. Hey Michelle, I know what you WONT be doing this summer. Have fun in the clink!

  • May 24, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Ok, the Kate figure better have...

    by Shermdawg

    a authentic scaled cast of that wonderful bottom of hers, along with the greasy hair from the hospital flashback. *sigh*

  • May 24, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Hurley figure

    by ECUPirate71

    should be from when he was sweaty and greasy from running to get on the plane. I should also have an odor too it, and way 7 pounds more than the other figures of cast members.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST

    the 9 million names of Tom Servo, Hurley edition

    by durhay

    Nothing tops "Ha-Her-Ho, the Tongueless"

  • May 24, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Mr. Eko's "Jesus Stick"

    by antibody

    Did anyone else catch Charlie last week referring to Eko's staff as his "Jesus Stick". Is that the first mention of it on the show. If so, that, like the term "tailies" is yet another nod to the fanbase. Pretty cool.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    MAJOR SPOILER FOR TONIGHT'S FINALE!!!!

    by www.valiens.com

    At the very end we pull back from the frame and see that we've been inside JJ Abrams' monitor all along. He's just typing away at the script. Those mystery numbers are his password to log on. Then we pull away again and see that, no, it was Bugs Bunny painting the whole thing all along. He turns to camera nnd says, "Ain't I a stinka?" Then he puts on a dress, tucks it in and says, "I'd fuck me so hard" while applying lipstick. Fag.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Jack's action figure better have the "crazy eyes"

    by durhay

    feature, and Locke had better come with a wheelchair and removable kidney.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Forget LOST!

    by Cotton McKnight

    Where's the American Idol talkback? SOUL PATROL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    *possible spoiler/theory* Clancy Brown's role tonight

    by FlipPA

    Sorry I'm arriving late, folks, hellish day at the office...at least Herc got the talkback up before 4pm EST this week. Clancy Brown tonight plays KELVIN INMAN tonight, where previously he played JOE INMAN. Can you say "Bad Twin"?

  • May 24, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Girth-in answer to your question

    by LilOgre

    yeah - they are doing playsets : "We will also be releasing Lost deluxe boxed sets -- re-creating key moments between multiple characters, and small-scale dioramas -- replicating central locations such as the mysterious island and the infamous hatch." awesome. favorite scenes anyone?

  • May 24, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Favorite Scenes... hmmm...

    by FlipPA

    That would have to be Kate swimming in her undies.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    "Re-creating key moments" action figures

    by zacdilone

    That swim that Kate and Sawyer took should make a nice set.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    FlipPA

    by zacdilone

    Get out of my head! :)

  • May 24, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Antibody

    by TempusFugitive

    I don't know if the "Jesus Stick" name has been used on the show before, though I don't remember it being done. It was kinda funny, since I had just said something about having Eko's Jesus Stick be an accessory for the new Jeep Wrangler Lost Edition to my wife, mere seconds before Charlie called it that. She briefly thought I was psychic, but quickly realized I just spend too much time online.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Another Key Moment Action Figure Set

    by zacdilone

    Kate crawling through the ductwork.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Pic of the first McFarlane figure

    by Atomik Steve

    was in USA Today. Figures.com has a sacn of ther Charlie Figure: http://tinyurl.com/zdqn6

  • May 24, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    jesus stick was used before

    by nycman100

    stop patting yourselves on the back. IT was used in the episode where Ecko stood face to face with the monster that is not a monster. He told Charlie to take him to the plane and Charlie said "or what, you'll beat me with your Jesus stick?"

  • May 24, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    "trouble coming up with catchy nicknames"

    by Photoman

    Ok, I'll admit it, I laughed at Herc's joke there. That does seem to be what Sawyer does best...as he can't fight or shoot worth a damn.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Sawyer murdered a polar bear...

    by Billyeveryteen

    That's pretty bad ass.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Sawyer also...

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    ..."screwed" AnaL. Not sure if that's a plus or minus. Shouldn't he have said "I banged her" last week? More Sawyer-like than "we screwed."

  • May 24, 2006, 12:59 p.m. CST

    alias

    by txpollo

    I hate the way they did this. If anyone has noticed, Sydney was gone for 2 years in the season finale and there is a part of me that thinks JJ Abrams wanted to do a flashback kind of thing with the show, but ABC said no, So he did it with Lost and let Alias fall under its own weight. Remember how big it was?? All the mystery and the great action. It was a great show and then they basically abandoned it. I would hate to invest so much in Lost and have the same thing happen. PEACE OUT!

  • May 24, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Jimmy Kimmel Tonight

    by robotdevil

    I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but Jimmy Kimmel's website tonight lists one of his guest as "Hugh McIntyre" of the Hanso Foundation. Set your DVRs.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST

    McFarlane Toys Presents:

    by smackfu

    The Michael and Walt Playset. A finely crafted Lost diarama complete with audio. "WAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLTTTTT!!!" "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD" "WAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLTTTTT!!!" "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD" "WAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLTTTTT!!!" "DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD" until the batteries die.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    try to explain lost in a paragraph

    by Gay Jesus Christ

    anyone? that is why this show sucks balls.. It's now too convoluted for words. The writers have painted themselves into a corner. This will be a bigger letdown than X-files and Twin Peaks combined.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Actually, Girth

    by Napoleon Park

    Not to go all feminist on you, but it was Ana Lucia that fucked Sawyer, and she did it to get him out of his pants and happy long enough to steal his gun. *** The same gun she then happily turned over to Michael and got killed with, because she's a really bad cop. *** I'm not above making Michelle Rodriguez "Hot Chicks In the Clink" soft core lesbian porn movie jokes. Heck, parole violation and multiple DUIs are worth 60 days in the box and 30 days of community service washing down the local morgue. And I sure hope the never give her a drivers license again. That said, she'd be the first Lost action figure I'd want, then Sun. Then Rose, then "out of focus chick in bikini standing in background." *** Although the action playset I'd want would be Red shirt boone plummeting to death in plane falling out of tree. *** As for combat techniques, Hurley doesn't fight, he crushes. Duck and weave, hit and run, but don't let him grab you and don't let him get on top or you're done.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    ****Possible Spoilers*****

    by Brother Desmond

    From Ask Ausiello over at TV Guide: Before the two hours are over, Michael and Walt will be reunited and we'll learn what exactly Henry Gale's role is with the Others. Also, when the survivors come face-to-face with the Others

  • May 24, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Twin Peaks was a letdown?

    by smackfu

    Thanks for the notice, guess I better strike it off my 'best freaking tv series of all time' list.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Have I gone blind or is there no Sun?

    by Napoleon Park

    I checked out this http://tinyurl.com/zdqn6 action figure link. That Charlie model is pretty cool looking, even if is does recreate a specific scene from one of the earliest episodes. Apparenlty this fall's series one release will be six figures: Charlie, Jack, Kate, Locke, Hurley and Shannon After that they'll be working on Sawyer, Jin, Walt/Vincent, Michael, Boone, Libby, Ana Lucia, and Ethan. So the dead incest family gets immortalized before Sun? Newbies Ana and Libby and fuckin' Ethan before Scott and Steve? Well, okay, I'd buy Ana before Scott or Steve, but the fuckin' dog before Sun? What is the fuck with that, up?

  • May 24, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    I want cliffhangers as nasty as last season's

    by OurManInMontr

    Girth, the gang being the Fantastic Four would mean Eko is Bishop. Hurley-style justice mainly involves the very simple technique of sittin' down on ya chest till he hears 'Uncle'. Michael will die because every major character ('every MAJOR character', not every character, because some just happened to be on the plane) on the show is part of a set of twins and this Michael we know is the bad half of his set. That is also why Kelvin, which the Kurgan will be playing tonight, is not the character from the Sayid flashbacks. Can't tell you which one was the good/bad half, though. The guy who was in the hatch and said he was called Desmond is not actually Desmond and had not met Jack in a stadium. That was his twin. Information was exchanged before they offed him. Anyway, most of that won't be known till at least 3/4 into next season. Don't take a whiff, though, or you might know what I'm talking out of. And key moments? Locke peeking at Jack's weenie and smiling. With poseable showerhead and lube tube.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    yes, yes and yes.

    by Napoleon Park

    Ana Lucia fucking Sawyer to swipe his gun is what happened, even if the conventional definition accepts that the male thrusts do the fucking. Either way it's the same playset, so it should make no difference to you, Girth. But she fucked him, yes, so that is a more accurate way to phrase it, yes, and being more factually accurate does make it better, yes, and of course I'm a feminist, yes. That doesn't mean I can't imagine M-Rod having 60 days of recreating the shower/plunger scene from "Born Innocent".

  • May 24, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Gay Jesus Christ Paragraph Challenge!

    by FlipPA

    GJC, maybe you enjoy simple, non-challenging shows that go easy on the brainpower. That's fine. I like 24, and its that way; so is Seinfeld. You can describe them in a paragraph. Dandy. However, the best shows of all time that I truly fall in love with: Lost, Babylon 5, The Simpsons, you can NOT explain in a paragraph. Entire books are devoted to these series. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean "it sucks." It means its not your cup of tea. That's fine, but don't belittle those who enjoy mentally challenging TV because of your own shortcomings!

  • May 24, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The reason for those four...

    by LordEnigma

    All four seem to have the power to manifest something on the island. Jack did this with his dad. Kate did this with her horse. Hurley did this with Dave. Sawyer, either did it with the Polar Bear, or he's the most powerful of all four them. Which would mean, that he does not know the full-extent of his powers yet. Nothing else makes any sense via the flashbacks that we have seen. They have mental powers, that Walt also has, and the OTHERS want to tap into them. Thus the reason for the whole, US VS THEM storyline, for next season.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Hugh McIntyre...

    by DanielKurland

    I've always loved the lengths to which this show is "advertising" and increasing mythology by their commericals, phone lines, novels, but to have a fictional person from a fictional company be a guest on a talk show, wow. That is just insane. Why isn't he on a show bigger than Kimmel?

  • May 24, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Time to get into Doctor Who

    by supertoyslast

    I mean, what other TV sci-fi is there gonna be in the next few weeks?

  • May 24, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    uuummmm

    by lofe101

  • May 24, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    uuummmm

    by lofe101

  • May 24, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Sorry wrong button

    by lofe101

    but did anyone notice if that was all of the notebook canisters siting at the others camp site in the scenes for tonights ep?

  • May 24, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Sorry wrong button

    by lofe101

    but did anyone notice if that was all of the notebook canisters siting at the others camp site in the scenes for tonights ep?

  • May 24, 2006, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Kurland

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    Why would any other talk show agree to have a fictional character from an ABC show appear as a marketing ploy on their network? Yes, actors will appear on other networks to promote their shows, but I doubt CBS or NBC would want to be a part of this, nor would Letterman or Leno want to whore themselves out for a marketing ploy. Kimmel is the only show ABC has.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    a few points

    by prisonrulez

    on the raft last in last season's finale, Sawyer was reading the messages in the bottle and commented to Michael...who the hell is Hugo and why is leaving 47 million dollars to his mom...or something like that...so...why hasn't Michael now put 2 and 2 together and realized that Hurley is RICH...and on another note...does anyone know what ABC is showing during the first hour of primetime...my DVR says Lost:recap...anyone know what this is?

  • May 24, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    agggggggggg

    by StrongBad8782

    This wait is killing me. I know tonight's episode is gonna blow the doors of my entertainment center. I'm also sure the cliffhanger will be far more of a cocktease than last season's, and I LOVE it.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:03 p.m. CST

    ***PROBABLE Spoilers?***

    by Deandome

    BEWARE!! Over at http://www.4815162342.com several people have independantly posted spoilers that are all almost identical. They SOUND very plausible & coherent, but who knows. Here goes.. finale opens with Sawyer and Jack swimming out to the sail boat and boarding it, Jack kicks open the hatch to the inside where they find Desmond drunk inside. They come back to the beach where Desmond talks about where he has been. (Incomplete data). We also get a flash back beginning the story of how he came onto the island (No details here - for any flashback, possibly made separately). Desmond gives his boat to the losties and says tells them information on the others, however he is anxious over the button and goes off to the hatch with Locke. Sayid and Jack plan out the 'advantage' involving the boat. At the hatch, Desmond, Locke and Eko get into a discussion over the button (Did you press it? etc). Locke goes to smash it and Eko stops him (promo) The next day Eko wakes up and sees the computer destroyed, he can't fix it and he leaves the hatch, the 5-man army leaves and Sayid goes to Jin/Sun with his idea for the advantage. (take the boat and flank them) Eko finds Charlie and gets him to take him to the dynamite, he wants to blow open the concrete wall with the magnetic field, tells Charlie that they have 19 minutes to live.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ...my DVR says Lost:recap...anyone know what this is?

    by gavdiggity

    Yeah. It's a recap of this season's Lost episodes. Hope that clears it up.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I want the "Jin's First Gig" playset

    by OurManInMontr

    complete with horrified daughter figure and shaggy puppy.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    gavdiggity

    by prisonrulez

    thanks...that is what I assumed...but with this DVR guide...there's no telling...I guess I'll record that as well...!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Kung Fu Hustler...

    by DanielKurland

    That makes sense, and I had forgotten Kimmel's affiliation with ABC. Should be interesting nonetheless.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Lets Go Sabres!!!!

    by lofe101

  • May 24, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Deandome

    by lofe101

    This isnt story time buddy. thats alittle too long for my ass to read will at work.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:17 p.m. CST

    "Hurley" on Kimmel LAST Night!!!!

    by Deandome

    Forget tonite's Kimmel (for now)...did anyone catch the UNBELIEVABLY FUNNY spoof-commercial last night? Kimmel referenced the fact that they're gonna release a "Desperate Housewives" perfume pretty soon (TRUE!!), then he said 'That's nothing...check this out..". Then you see a prototypical, B&W, "Obsession-esque" commercial for "HURLEY"....a woman breathily keeps whispering his name...you're seeing the actual Hurley actor striking sexy/mysterious poses...a hot model toying with him...licking his face at the end. He keeps it totally cool..never cracks a smile. If anyone can find a link to this clip, PLEASE post it. It was un#&%($$@ believable!!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Deal, Lofe!!

    by Deandome

    I guess I coulda posted both versions separately..but don't bitch to me...I had to spend valuable work time to cut/paste/move tons of stuff so as not to mess up the format of this talkback; there were lots of paragraph-breaks & long 'lines' that fuck things up on this strangely non-formattable forum. Read half now..half later...TOO LATE...YOU ALREADY READ IT..HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST

    the wait....killing me.....must get out of work.....

    by vinceklortho

    I have a feeling that this will kick a lot of ass tonight. How did the plane go down? Who's gay? Who's fucking who? Is this a retread of The Village or more of a the Island is full of X-Men type thing? So many questions! ABC has my ass on the couch for two uninterrupted hours tonight.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Here's That "Hurley For Men" Commercial!

    by Deandome

    Enjoy!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmWzBP-J1mo

  • May 24, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Fuck yeah, GO SABRES!

    by OurManInMontr

    Game 2 was a fluke for Carolina. Kindly destroy them tonight. And good day.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    God Bless technology and Deandome

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    That was hilarious! What the hell did we do before YouTube??

  • May 24, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Montreal

    by lofe101

    ya that was a fluke. probably there worst game all playoffs and they still had a chance to win it. one bad goal. and damn is edmonton is looking good huh. dont blam ya for switching sides in the cup.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Have fun, everybody!

    by OurManInMontr

    Wish I could waste more time on the tb, but it's not one of those days. So enjoy the finale, have a nice summer and see you all on the tb next season.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    deandome

    by lofe101

    dont mean to be a dick about that, but im on this site while working (my job kicks ass)but am in and out of my desk depending on work load and just basically skip over them long ass tb's. probably something sweet im missing but oh well.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Read HALF, Lofe!!

    by Deandome

    Those are two variants of the same general spoiler...read one of 'em (I think the second one is shorter...I separate them with an "all-caps" divider.)

  • May 24, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST

    maybe they're "good"

    by punto

    you know how the others are always saying that the people they take are "good", thay said eko is good, henry said locke is good, and that he wanted to 'turn' ana.. Is sawyer good too? They seem to be going for the 'redneck with a heart of gold' angle with him.. what does "good" mean anyway? favorite sawyer nickname: captain a-rab

  • May 24, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I love you, Johnny Cakes

    by Elmore Rigby

    Short stack or tall?

  • May 24, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST

    HUGO

    by meCPS

    I too noted that I didn't think Michael should have known Hurley's real name. But to be accurate, Sawyer was talking to Walt when he read the letters (remember Walt bitching at him that they were private), not Michael. But I still agree, Michael must have heard him, it was a raft, not an ocean liner, he was standing right there. The fact that he had no reaction to Sawyer's question indicated to me that he either (1) Didn't hear him, which I find unlikely or (2) Didn't know Hurley's real name at that time. If he didn't know Hurley's real name on the raft, how did he know it when the others showed it to him? It's not like he had time to pal around the camp getting reacquainted with everybody since he got his ass blown off the raft, right? Anyway, don't think it's really any type of plot point, probably just a continuity error.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Just what the NHL needs - two small market

    by durhay

    teams in the Finals. I want a desmond/exercise bike that plays "Make your own kind of music".

  • May 24, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I can't wait to watch this. Gonna tune in at 915p

    by Russman

    and watch on the DVR and skip those commercials.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    the 4400 returns JUNE 11

    by Spice-Orange

    ...to answer someones question as to what scifi shows are around after sweeps is over... Go Lost, its your finale, we're gonna party like its your finale! I hope we get answers, then we see, like, another plane come down, or clones come marching in, or something like that. wooooooooooooooooo baby!

  • May 24, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    J.J. Abrams guest-directed Kimmel's show two weeks ago

    by LilOgre

    It was pretty funny. He was sort of like Gelman on Regis & Kelly.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    4400

    by meCPS

    Good call Spice-Orange. I meant tomention that in my last post. Also the Dead Zone returns. Admittedly not as good as it used to be, but you never know what the new season has in store.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Sun Figure Delay

    by Spiderwalk

    Mcfarlane are still searching for the right 12 year old boy to model her tiny arse on.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    HUGO

    by Freakemovie

    So maybe Michael didn't know his real name until after he returned to camp from the raft. Who cares? There's plenty of little continuity errors that aren't worth getting worked up over. Like in Michael's flashback, when Mr. Friendly called for Alex, she spends a good ten-twenty seconds bickering with the other Other before he goes out there, when in the actual episode it happens instantaneously. Not a big deal.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    What if something INTERESTING happened...

    by Negative Man

    Ah, just poking at y'all. I've mildly enjoyed this show. I say mildly because I've come to loathe the flashbacks. There was that hour re-cap episode a few weeks ago focused only on what happened on the island that was, to me, the best episode of the last two seasons. Just sad that it only took an hour to recap two (well, one and a half at that time) seasons. I'm looking forward to tonight, but after that extra crappy Alias finale...

  • May 24, 2006, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Russman

    by ECUPirate71

    9:15? If you want to skip the commercials on a 2-hour show aim for 9:45. Also, all you Sabres fans can lick my balls. The only fluke is that you got by the Sens.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Deandome Thanks!

    by leesheri

    Thanks for taking the time to post all of that. I read it and I am sure some of it is true and some of it is total bs. Could all be bs.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The kid who plays Walt was on AOTS...

    by crazyeyezkillah

    he debunked the rumors that he had a growth spurt, saying he only grew two inches. His voice is the same. He said that he thinks his character on Lost has powers but doesn't know how to use them.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Lost HAS to get it in gear tonight...

    by paulh

    They're hemorraging viewers to American Idol, (Newsweek says their ratings are down 20% from last season), they've relied on far too many flashbacks instead of moving the story forward; the perception that the writers don't have a clue where they want to go and are just making it up as they go along. They need to hit it out of the park tonight. JJ, Damon and Carlton have to have their own 'Downloaded', in terms of the single finest hour of scripted TV this season. Let's hope they do it.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:59 p.m. CST

    What TV show is "Downloaded" from?

    by crazyeyezkillah

    What's it an episode of?

  • May 24, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Downloaded, from Battlestar Galactica....

    by paulh

    The gold standard of one-hour episodes of series TV this season. :)

  • May 24, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    TV Guide says Clancy Brown is on tonight's episode

    by The Dude Abides

    Fuck Yeah

  • May 24, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Napolean Park

    by Bono Luthor

    A cool little lab before the oh so important 'Sun'? I'll take the doggie before that whiny little ***** any time! LOST action figures are going to ROCK my world! Hahahahahahahah! I will stop mowing the lawn now. My back garden just became a world destroying magnetically destructive research station with the capability to enduse super powers, or it will in November...

  • May 24, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Season 2 Summary Episode on Now?

    by digital8

    Is this episode that is on right now an episode that covers everything in season 2 but the finale?

  • May 24, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    MSNBC: 10 things Lost needs to resolve...

    by paulh

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12875693/ . Fair assessment or not?

  • Start now. Let's have a great show, guys...

  • May 24, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    "This time they will know that we are coming"

    by LilOgre

    GREAT LINE. But that plan may be a little bold.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Is that...

    by Zephyr1988

    Libby???

  • May 24, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Libby Goes to Rehab After Her Husband Dies

    by digital8

    Case Closed

  • May 24, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    David was Libby's husbands name...

    by digital8

    Do we know a David?

  • May 24, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST

    A CG bird?????

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    A CG talking bird!

    by JohnnyS2

    That was bizarre.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Jack should have asked Sayid how to make bullet's blank

    by Guerilla_Films

    You can have a normal gun shoot blanks with a few very simple modifications that only take a few seconds. He should have asked Sayid to show him how to do it....it's the same technique that killed Brandon Lee...if you do it wrong and something gets lodged in the chamber it will fire out anything regardless....

  • May 24, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST

    "What happened to your face?"

    by Shermdawg

    "I fell down the stairs."

  • May 24, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Locke talks to Desmond...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST

    First time they ever used footage flashbacks

    by digital8

    during talking...i think

  • May 24, 2006, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Locke: "We're going to find out what happens if..."

    by digital8

    "that button doesn't get pushed"

  • May 24, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    they used talks during flashbacks in Rose's episode

    by Guerilla_Films

    when she talked to her husband and when she talked to john...her meeting the dr. and her bumping into john at the airport.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    What about the crash?

    by Zephyr1988

    I thought this episode would be about what really caused the plane to crash or something of that matter. I guess we'll see...amd it IS a freakin' snowglobe! Or the North Pole.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Nice wide shot of island...and now Sun is throwing up..

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:40 p.m. CST

    HUGE STATUE FOOT...

    by digital8

    Old civilization???

  • May 24, 2006, 8:41 p.m. CST

    a giant foot

    by Hercules

    with four toes

  • May 24, 2006, 8:41 p.m. CST

    FOOT!

    by Zephyr1988

    A Greek foot. It's Themystira! Or maybe that's just my personal opinion of Evangeline Lilly playing Wonder Woman. It's a wonderful choice...no pun intended.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST

    OMG THEY DID IT!!! THEY FINALLY DID IT!!!

    by Shermdawg

    YOU BLEW IT UP!!! YOU BLEW IT ALL TO HELL!!! YOU DAMN DIRTY OTHERS!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Big foot

    by Marduk

    Four toes bad.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Kate's DAD!

    by digital8

    WOW

  • May 24, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    HERC!

    by Guerilla_Films

    COOL!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    or is that Sayid's military captor guy...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    where was Kate's dad? (sorry...my last message cutoff)

    by Guerilla_Films

  • May 24, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Ok, how the hell is that possible?

    by JohnnyS2

    Wasn't he the solider who interrogated Sayid?!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Great finale so far, very interesting and fast-paced...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    *SPOILER*

    by Shermdawg

    The statue was of Marge Simpson.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Guerilla_Films I meant Sayid's military captor guy...

    by digital8

    not Kate's dad....I think....

  • May 24, 2006, 8:48 p.m. CST

    JohnnyS2

    by digital8

    Three years before the survivors (Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, etc) crashed on the island...Desmond arrived...it was many years before that when the Gulf War happened...

  • May 24, 2006, 8:48 p.m. CST

    He interrogated Sayid during the first Gulf War.

    by Shermdawg

    Also, I'm guessing the name he gave him was a Alias. Too bad we know his character dies. I was hoping he'd join the cast at some point. But with Clancy, Locke, and Eckol, that would be too much awesome for the island.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    they're on the set of the live action SIMPSONS movie!!

    by calami-shami

  • May 24, 2006, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Maybe we'll learn what this "incident" was...

    by digital8

    that was mentioned in the film...

  • May 24, 2006, 8:50 p.m. CST

    In the pilot Desmond said he spoke to Kelvin

    by Guerilla_Films

    He said he spoke to Kelvin before he dragged him back to the island...in particular he said, "Come with me."....but here it showed Kelvin dragging him to the hatch....wha?

  • May 24, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    If they are successful,

    by Hercules

    everyone on this island will die.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Got one! Bang!

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Don't kid, Herc.

    by Zephyr1988

    You may have jinx it.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST

    did they kill the guy from the video and film?

    by Guerilla_Films

    I think that's who they shot...

  • May 24, 2006, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Didn't see that coming so soon...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST

    The guy that got shot was...

    by digital8

    an asian male...that doesn't mean he's definitely the guy from the films...

  • May 24, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Predictions for final hour now, 1st hour is over...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Either Jacks a retard, or the writers are...

    by Shermdawg

    Do you know how far your voice carries in the woods, especially if you're yelling? Idiot.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    re: The Plan

    by Marduk

    ...I got nothin'

  • May 24, 2006, 9 p.m. CST

    So Kelvin was on the Island before Desmond came

    by JohnnyS2

    But I still can't see how he fits into the whole thing. From the Persian Gulf to that Island?

  • May 24, 2006, 9 p.m. CST

    Wait....Desmond was on 24, maybe, just maybe....

    by Shermdawg

    the guys that they shot, was one of the Chinese that kidnapped Bauer. Meaning, he's on the island with Walt!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    What happens? Ritual.

    by Zephyr1988

    That's been my theory ever since that neon map popped up way back when...the bases are focus points, the children are sacrifices, and every 108 minutes is the precise minute in which they can correctly perform the spell. The Others are trying to achieve a combination of magic and science to perform "Deus Ex Machina"...bringing God back. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:05 p.m. CST

    PREDICTIOIN: they want to RECRUIT the four

    by Guerilla_Films

    a doctor, a soldier, and two guys who probably have tons of money saved up. Only thing I don't get is why Dharma don't want to choose Sayid?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Hey FOX, if you got any sense, any at all...

    by Shermdawg

    Recast Sabretooth with Clancy Brown for the Wolvie spinoff. Thank you.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    3...2...1...BOOM

    by digital8

    Wow that's not good...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:07 p.m. CST

    "Oh bollocks!"

    by Shermdawg

  • May 24, 2006, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Smoke will come out of the hatch, making black smoke

    by digital8

    Thus messing up Sayid's other black smoke plan...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST

    best line ever...

    by calami-shami

    "I've seen them. They're there. They ARE Hillbillies."

  • May 24, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST

    hatch in the hatch

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Not pushing the button would increase magnetism?

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I'm concerned Sayid may not make it thru all of this!

    by Guerilla_Films

    oh no! at least they finally showed a muslim on tv praying...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    A wall behind the doors...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Holy crap, notice the Planet of the Apes style music.

    by Shermdawg

    Maybe my earlier comments weren't all that ridiculous.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    The pipe with the notebooks...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    digital8 was right about his prediction!

    by Guerilla_Films

    i owe you a coke!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    40 minutes remain...

    by digital8

    This is a really, really good finale.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Not hitting the button will affect the others/hostiles

    by digital8

    and somehow help or hurt the survivors or the others...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    FUCKING PLANET OF THE APES DUDE!!!

    by Shermdawg

  • May 24, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Desmond left at the beginning of the season...

    by digital8

    to go back and bury his partner...???

  • May 24, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    OH WOW

    by digital8

    DESMOND CRASHED THE PLANE

  • May 24, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Ahh yes, that makes sense

    by JohnnyS2

    Those damn magnets brought it down.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST

    September 22, nice

    by Guerilla_Films

    classy touch...these lost writers are getting a fan letter from me in the morning

  • May 24, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST

    the entire show is a psychological exam of us viewers

    by Sir Loin

    S'troo! Think about it...all these theories and things will be examined by men...TOP men...to gauge the American psyche near the turn of this century.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Well, that wasnt much of a surprise

    by clockpolitiks

    Werent we all saying the magnet borught the plane down for like...months?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The magnets were barely pulling kitchen tools toward it

    by digital8

    Where did all the power to bring down the plane come from? That's A LOT MORE power than we saw in that little scene.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Notice how the video was not kept near the big magnet.

    by Shermdawg

    Cause Magneto is a recovwering porn addict.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST

    What will be the cliffhanger?

    by digital8

    Predictions...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Season cliffhanger...

    by Thunderpants

    Vito gets raped with a pool cue.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Digital8, true

    by clockpolitiks

    What if there are other magnets on the island though?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST

    clockpolitiks, ya

    by digital8

    oh crap, the other on a dock...bye

  • May 24, 2006, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Guerilla_Films

    by RaylanGivens

    ...I may not be reading you right (subtle sarcasm doesn't always come through in these talkbacks). September 22 was the day LOST debuted.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:36 p.m. CST

    henry gale guy....oh crap

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST

    OMG, Henry's the leader!

    by Shermdawg

  • May 24, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    well...pushing the button is out of the question...

    by digital8

    lol

  • May 24, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I thought the date of the crash was genius actually

    by Guerilla_Films

    the day the show debutted...they give us fans nice subtle winks at times and that was a good one...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:41 p.m. CST

    i saw the locke knocking on the hatch thing coming

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Cliffhanger

    by esque

    ... is another plane crash. Gotta be.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:46 p.m. CST

    HOLY ****

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:46 p.m. CST

    THE WHITE OUT!

    by Guerilla_Films

    now they all get super powers!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Lost Continent of Mu

    by Marduk

    Ancient technology 'n stuff.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    This finale is amazing...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Holy Bejesus

    by JohnnyS2

    The magnetic field has been lifted...I guess.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Cliffhanger: Are Locke and Eko alive?

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. LOCKE, CHARLIE, ECKOL, AND DES. :'(

    by Shermdawg

    "Oh Bollocks!" indeed.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    White Out

    by calami-shami

    Ow, my sperm!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    WHAT ABOUT SAYID?

    by clockpolitiks

    Where is he?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    HUGE TWISTS in the last 10 minutes coming up?

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Sayid will save the day

    by clockpolitiks

    I hope. Damn, this is a million times better than last seasons finale.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    OH DAMN!

    by TheEngwisher

    OH DAMN OH DAMN OH DAMN!!! THIS IS AWESOME!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    What the-?!

    by UCFKevin

    Where they shot into space or something?! Holy SHIT! They weren't fucking around...this is the best season finale ever.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    www.HansoCareers.com

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Gotta admit it...

    by CatVutt

    This season finale is kicking some serious ass. Hansocareers.com? WTF? Did I just see that?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Jebus Christ

    by JohnnyS2

    Lost fucking owns your souls, bitches!!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST

    the hatch was a rocket ship to the moon?

    by Guerilla_Films

    OH NO MR. BILL!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Charlie was deaf

    by esque

    when the sound and light went off. Does it mean anything?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    that boat is gonna blow up like SPEED!

    by Guerilla_Films

    sheesh!

  • May 24, 2006, 9:53 p.m. CST

    job search!

    by Sir Loin

    Art Therapist/Psychologist - "The successful applicant will receive a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to work in a state-of-the-art mental care facility using cutting edge technology in the company of the best and brightest in the field. The successful applicant will relocate to the coastal city of Vik, Iceland and work with a varied, diverse population of patients from around the world." Hmmmm...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Gunshot will rip through an "other" any second now

    by digital8

    Sayid

  • May 24, 2006, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Also, is it Walt

    by esque

    Is it walt, or is it clone walt?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST

    That Kate and Jack moment was kinda weak...

    by Guerilla_Films

    hmmm....

  • May 24, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST

    FOUR OTHER ISLANDS

    by digital8

    Four other Hanso stations...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST

    NEVERMIND....scratch that

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    The language the dudes in the ice were speaking

    by werttrew

    ...was Portuguese. Brazilian accent, if I'm not mistaken.

  • May 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    God-double-damn

    by Banky the Hack

    I...uh....but the....with the thing?

  • May 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    "We're the good guys."

    by Hercules

    foom

  • May 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    okay those last two scenes were kinda whack

    by Guerilla_Films

    And no Sayid and co. after he runs up on the fake fortress?! A-...9.0/10.0 season finale...one of the better of the tv year though...

  • May 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    We found it?

    by clockpolitiks

    WTF?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    COMING OCT. 2006 ON ABC...

    by Shermdawg

    RESCUE FROM GILLIGAN'S ISLAND

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Ha! Color me impressed.

    by CatVutt

    Haven't been terribly sold on a large part of this season, but damn, I gotta hand it to 'em for that one. Great close-out of the season.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    what in the holy hell fucking shit

    by BLWiseass

    No really. What in the holy hell fucking shit

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    HOLY SHIT!!!

    by Nairb The Movie

    Wait... Was it Logan or Dunca at the door?!?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    so the world didn't end.

    by calami-shami

    and that whitmore chick might be head o Hanzo.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    what the hell????

    by seriously

    That was crazy... and the ending, in the ice? "enough money... blah blah ... find anyone?" Is that what this whole show is about? Her finding Desmond?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    What in the frick?

    by Oozer3993

    I don't think even J.J. knows what's going on anymore. I'm lost as all hell (pun not intended).

  • May 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    clockpolitiks: She's been looking for him.

    by esque

    With Widmore involved with Hanso/DeGroot, she may have known enough to realize what to look for to find Desmond. Remember, if you have enough money and determination, you can find anyone. And she has a lot of money. Next season, she'll be coming to find him.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    BLWiseass

    by seriously

    I concur.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    So this whole time

    by JohnnyS2

    So the island was hidden from the world with the help of electromagents?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Still, the cabin scene on SUPERNATURAL...

    by Shermdawg

    was just a slight tad more intense than this. But overall, the finale kicked ass.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    That's it

    by jerkstore

    Watching that show and waiting for something to happen is a metaphor for pushing that fucking button. It is meaningless. I'm done watching Lost.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    OHHH MAN

    by Freakemovie

    So much to digest....

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    ten minues of show, 5 minutes of commercials.

    by OBSD

    whoopie. There were few "wow" moments. And as for the end, I didn't care. Blah. Only slightly better than last year's finale. CAn I sue ABC for false advertisement? All my questios were not answered, like the ad said they would be. Yet another cocktease finale. Let the LOST-apologist flaming begin!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    did charlie always have that ring?

    by calami-shami

    and what was with his sunny disposition after three people got turned inside out by super magno waves?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    That kicked my *ass*. I mean, GodDAMN.

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

  • May 24, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Color me not impressed

    by NudeandAroused

    Seriously, and I am not trying to antagonize, please explain to me the "Great Close out." It seemed no worse, nor better, than most of other episodes.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Henry?

    by seriously

    So Henry Gale looks like the leader ... or at least upper management.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST

    hahhaha jerkstore you tool

    by Freakemovie

  • May 24, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Buffy Allegory

    by Nairb The Movie

    Remember that episode of Buffy where Xander got the car and the apocolypse was going on in the background, but we were never really privy to what it was. The whole time we were just on an adventure with Xander and every now and then he'd run into a main character involved in teh apocolypse, but we still had no idea what was up with it. Xander would just be on the sides going "Wait, what is going on with who when?"... Well thats what's going on here. More and more characters who really know whats going on, but the people we care about are just gonna keep going, "Wait. Who did what with the when now where?"

  • May 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    NOTHING HAPPENED

    by digital8

    kidding...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The haters and whiners are already coming out

    by Freakemovie

    ITS A SEASON FINALE!!!! THINGS GET LEFT UNRESOLVED IN SEASON FINALES!!!!! THEY'RE CALLED CLIFFHANGERS!!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I'm still hung up over that four-toed statue

    by durhay

    I'm sure it's just a red herring, but man that was nuts. Killed off my two favorite characters, but the creepy hobbit lives.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Ok, i think i figured it out

    by clockpolitiks

    Desmonds girlfriend/wife penelope probly had a transmitter or something put on desmonds boat to track him. When he disappeared, her rich ass hired people to watch and see if the transmitter ever started working again. When the magnet got triggered, the transmitter started up again.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Anybody die?

    by esque

    We don't know if any of them died, except likely Desmond. Did nobody go back to check out the hatch? I expected to see a charred pit where it used to be. And since when does electromagnetism make crazy sounds and the sky turn blinding white/violet?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST

    drives me nuts...

    by seriously

    how no when friggin' TALKS to each other on the show! Communicate, people... and for a second at the end, when the sky was going crazy I thought ABC might have messed with us and just ended the damn series tonight. Part of me wishes they did. Just end the damn thing.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Durhay

    by Banky the Hack

    I totally agree. That shit messed me up!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I don't think Gayle was the leader

    by Guerilla_Films

    Or whatever "henry's" name was...he came in from the boat..he was probably talking to "THe Man" and getting debrief for his role in everything...they sent him back just in time to meet up with our folks, maybe?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Eko and Locke: are they dead? No answer until October

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    clockpolitiks

    by esque

    But then why did she have people specifically looking for an electromagnetic event? If she knew a massive em event was required to make his signal visible, why not just locate the em event itself?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Esque

    by clockpolitiks

    You thought the same thing I did.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Ratings first....

    by Mickey The Idiot

    ....ads second...cockteasing third...and story fourth? Actually, I don't even think story makes the list. That was shite! An exercise in generating as many cliffhangers as possible to keep the punters watching the ads - topped off with a 'twist' that defies all fucking logic. As we Brits say, COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS. Fuck you, JJ. Cash yer check and piss off.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    I loved the Planet of the Apes interlude with

    by durhay

    Kelvin and Desmond. Eko and Locke better be reborn as Dark Phoenix or something.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST

    clockpolitiks theory is dead on to me...

    by Guerilla_Films

    "God can't see us here." Rememberr that line?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST

    WHAT THE FUCK I AM SO FUCKIN PISSED

    by JBouganim

    FIRST BAUER IS KIDNAPPED NOW THESE 3 ARE KIDNAPPED...YOU GOTTA BE FUCKIN KIDDIN ME

  • May 24, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    what was she looking for?

    by seriously

    Seems like she knew this "event" could happen and that Desmond would be involved... So she's somehow tied into the whole thing ... blah blah ... i'm still trying to process all of it.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    So....

    by Logo Lou

    What about that dead couple they found in the caves with the black and white stones back in season one? I believe that the producers said that it was "important." Not so important as to never bring it up again I guess. What was with the look between Jack and Kate?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Why did this "kick ass"?????

    by Mister Man

    I watched this with four people, and none of us knows what the hell it is about. The more confusing it is, the better it is?? We barely received an answer to anything. "Good guys." Like that wasn't a possibility from the start of the season?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    at least no one was running around screaming

    by durhay

    "TECH SUPPORT! TECH SUPPORT!"

  • May 24, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    I FIGURED IT ALL OUT NOW!!!

    by digital8

    The Chinese boat holding Jack Bauer needs to slowly pass by the island while the magnetism light goes off over and over again and Benny Hill needs to be played and the video needs to loop over and over again, and Behrooz needs to be in kid arm rubber floaties swimming saying "where is my mother?"

  • May 24, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Logo Lou

    by seriously

    Yea, what was with that look. Very odd. And they strongly implied that the "incident" brought down the plane, but we weren't actually shown that, were we???

  • May 24, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    EM masking the island

    by esque

    Agreed on all of that. So now we know what the button did and how the plane crashed. Did we learn anything else? Why is Libby all over the place? What exactly happened when he turned the key? Who's dead or alive? Why are the Others still on the island if they can send get away? What's with the fucking four-toed statue???

  • May 24, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Yea, hmm.

    by clockpolitiks

    I dont know. Maybe the transmitter was really expensive, and the only way that it would stop working would be when magnetism disrupted it. Maybe she knew that, and when the electromagnetism turned the transmitter back on, thats what the two guys were there to expect. When they said, "we found it" they probly meant the boat.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Yet again. More ??? raised, not enough answers.

    by jedimast3r

    I didn't give two shits about Desmond and was really pissed we needed to see 2 hours of his flashbacks for what was basically inconsequential revelations. Any television writers can weave in more plotlines and serve up less answers - look at the highly overrated X-Files. I won't be caught devoting time to another TV show that is going to string viewers along with no real sustenance for the viewing investment. DON'T GET ME WRONG - I DON'T HATE THE SHOW - but I think I'll be equally satisfied two years from now just reading the series finale wrap up in USA Today or here in Talkback. It's sad to say, but this show isn't worth the time anymore - it is a pale shadow of its season one splendor and wonder. And I SO gave it the benefit of the doubt all season, despite disappointment after disappointment. For the ages old argument's sake, 24 vastly eclipses this show in writing, risks vs, reward, pacing, drama, cast, and just about everything else. Some shows that greatly surprised me that I'll be trading up for next year are House, Bones, and Prison Break, to name a few. LOST could have been great, but now it's just...meh.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:14 p.m. CST

    HAHAHA BAUER IS IN ROUTE TO THE ISLAND

    by JBouganim

    THAT GUY IN THE DARMA VIDEO WAS THE GUY WHO CAUGHT BAUER..

  • May 24, 2006, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Desmond dead? Ya. Locke/Eko dead? Hrmm...

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Dude, Henry was, and is the leader...

    by Shermdawg

    Why else would he have the balls to question the deal? Why else would Zeke, kinda joke with him, instead of telling him to fuck off about the beard? Why else would he give Mike instructions to leave? He is the leader. Oh yeah, and Claire is a hottie. Lucky fucking Hobbit. Claire on the show, Kate in real life. *sigh*

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Yet again. More ??? raised, not enough answers.

    by jedimast3r

    I didn't give two shits about Desmond and was really pissed we needed to see 2 hours of his flashbacks for what was basically inconsequential revelations. Any television writers can weave in more plotlines and serve up less answers - look at the highly overrated X-Files. I won't be caught devoting time to another TV show that is going to string viewers along with no real sustenance for the viewing investment. DON'T GET ME WRONG - I DON'T HATE THE SHOW - but I think I'll be equally satisfied two years from now just reading the series finale wrap up in USA Today or here in Talkback. It's sad to say, but this show isn't worth the time anymore - it is a pale shadow of its season one splendor and wonder. And I SO gave it the benefit of the doubt all season, despite disappointment after disappointment. For the ages old argument's sake, 24 vastly eclipses this show in writing, risks vs, reward, pacing, drama, cast, and just about everything else. Some shows that greatly surprised me that I'll be trading up for next year are House, Bones, and Prison Break, to name a few. LOST could have been great, but now it's just...meh.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Cliffhangers

    by Mister Man

    Excuse me, but a complete season of cliffhangers, ending in a cliffhanger, with more cliffhangers to come, is not a well-written show. It is a bizarre game of let's-fuck-the-viewer. This is turning into "Twin Peaks." That was not, "oh, wow," that was "WTF - FU."

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Michaels a 'tard.

    by seriously

    They should have blown his ass away. And the boat at the end, bearing 325??? Does that heading mean anything?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    FEER THE JACK SACK THEN, JBouganim...

    by paulh

  • May 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    i dont think whitmore/ whidmore whatever...

    by calami-shami

    was looking for desmond. I think she works for hanzo and maybe they're looking for the island which was cloaked by the super magno waves by the others. Or whatever.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    two guys

    by nil8tion

    Was one of thos guys royce gracie???

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT LIBBY

    by JBouganim

    Libby has been always suspicious right...well remember she gave him the boat. So that could all mean something

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    whoops.

    by jedimast3r

    Sorry about the dupe post.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    that guy in iceland looks like jack

    by w1k

    jack's double?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Jack said he had a plan...

    by Guerilla_Films

    a plan BESIDES the one that he came up with Sayid makes sense to mel. Also, it makes me wonder why Sun and Jin didn't come with Sayid exploring...I'll be back..a few days after 9/22...to see the nnext season!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    libby's boat?

    by seriously

    Seems like Libby's tied into the whole dharma thing. I mean, it's HER boat. She knew what was going to happen or something like that.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST

    PAUL-THATS WHERE THE DYNAMITE CAME FROM

    by JBouganim

    JACKS SACK

  • May 24, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST

    "24 vastly eclipses this show in writing"

    by Shermdawg

    Yeah, if you plot gimmicks out the ying yang, and retreads of past gimmicks. It's a decent show, but it's furtaded.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST

    was that Jack?

    by seriously

    I agree, that guy looked like Polar Express Jack.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Four toes!?!?!

    by Billyeveryteen

    What the fuck!?!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    That was painfully predictable

    by leesheri

    I knew Michael was going to turn on his friends to save Walt. I knew that Henry was the wizard behind the curtain; you can argue that he isn

  • May 24, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    You've gotta be shitting me

    by Freakemovie

    if you don't think they answered enough questions. You people are either delusional or idiots. I don't feel like making a laundry list of questions -- major questions -- they answered tonight, but I AM afraid they might've revealed too much.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    ?

    by Titus05

    someone needs to gimme an explanation...I'm confused...they never even fully answered the questions they promised they would...the plane carsh?...there were no definite answers...just more questions...the next to last scene was totally weird...I was like, what the hell is this?...is this how the show's gonna end this season?...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Libby == Dharma Recruiter

    by esque

    Why else would the boat make for the island? Or not be able to get away again? She was looking for someone like Desmond to man the hatch for Dharma/Hanso.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Freakemovie

    by seriously

    Yea, they answered stuff, but of course there are probably more questions. Cripes, now we've got reality TV summer. Yoo hoo... please do another Joe Schmoe!!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Season 3 FACTS

    by digital8

    Jack, Kate and Sawyer are taken to a prison on the island where Jack and Sawyer interrogate a guy named Ramon Salazaar. Then, the sickness spreads throughout the island and some guy yells "Clouwwwwdia" a lot and it all ends up with the leader of the others named Saunders giving up the vials.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    LMAO...these talkbacks are the shit...

    by paulh

    :D And once more, I missed every single minute of American Idol. Guess that makes me a heathen...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    One last question before I go to work...(yeah)

    by Guerilla_Films

    How did Penny's father and Hanso/Hanzo know each other...we are all making assumptions on other boards, but I didn't catch that in tonights episode or in the past...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I bet Eko and Locke aren't dead and I'll tell you why

    by Freakemovie

    Because when answering a cliffhanger they're not just going to show two dead bodies. There's no payoff there. When they showed us what was in the Hatch, that's a pretty big friggin payoff. With Locke and Eko...they head to the Hatch and see their bodies? My personal guess is that the whole thing is just empty space and they've vanished. At least initially. I definitely don't think they're gone for good.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:21 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by Shermdawg

    Still, even if it is predictable, television is far more satisfying than most movies being released.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Freakemovie

    by esque

    Good point. An "are they alive" cliffhanger is crappy if the answer is "no" to both of them. At least one has to have lived, which is actually kind of cool, the two of them being pitted against one another until the last second.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    one of the better finales

    by apophenia

    I have to chime in, just to say I enjoyed the shit out of this. I wish I could have put my dick in the TV. We're spreading out people, we're spreading out.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by calami-shami

    if they had not explained everything you already knew how would you feel about that? If they never mentioned it ever and just assumed everybody knew even though this show's track record shows how many things we know turn out to be something else.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    apophenia

    by seriously

    hahaha... just use protection, please.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Michael and Walt will find Desmond's lover in season 3

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    sigh...

    by Celicynd

    I was wondering what was with the Jack-Kate look. It almost looked like they were giving each other a "the plan is working" look. Honestly though, while I can understand how some people might have enjoyed the episode, I think Lost has finally lost me as a viewer. Theres a difference between ending in a cliffhanger and ending the show in a "wtf was that bullshit" maneuver. I mean, Charlie escapes the hatch, but when asked about what happened, blows off the question like nothing happened. Some wacky event happens, and nobody seems to even be interested in finding out what it was, everyones just like "ok, lets get back to what we were doing before the light and sound show and the shower of metal.".

  • May 24, 2006, 10:23 p.m. CST

    watch Michael and Walt pull a "Han Solo returning

    by durhay

    during the trench bomber run" in a future ep. Also, I wish Christopher Walken played the role of Michael - he would have given those repetitive lines a boost. "He's .. *my son* .."

  • May 24, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    I think they gave away too much.

    by AgentG

    Electro magnetic, island in the middle of the ocean, lost race, no way to get out. Bermuda Triangle.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Blue Glowies!

    by Dashl

    That is what they should do with Locke and Eko next season.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    durhay

    by seriously

    yep, Walken would've been perfect! "THE ICE ... IS GOING ... TO BREAK!!!" (name the movie, people)

  • May 24, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    So did Henry get captured on purpose?

    by Logo Lou

    If he's one of the big head honchos, he was still stupid enough to get caught by one of the French woman's traps? Was hoping for another black smoke monster appearance.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Celicynd

    by digital8

    You said: "I mean, Charlie escapes the hatch, but when asked about what happened, blows off the question like nothing happened. Some wacky event happens, and nobody seems to even be interested in finding out what it was, everyones just like "ok, lets get back to what we were doing before the light and sound show and the shower of metal."." I AGREE with that part of what you said...its the writers avoiding the tough questions...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    MAYBE THE BOAT...

    by JBouganim

    THAT THE ICEMEN FOUND IS THE BOAT WITH WALT/MICHAEL ON IT

  • May 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    I think "the look" was "you knowingly led us into a

    by durhay

    trap and now look where we are!"

  • May 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    ??

    by Titus05

    was Kelvin the same guy as in Sayid's flashbacks?...if so why is his name different then in Sayid's flashback?....so what brought the plane down---the buildup of electromagnetism or the turning of the key?...what the hell did the key do anyway?...what was the thing that fell out of the sky?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Where is the French woman anyway???

    by digital8

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 p.m. CST

    titus05

    by seriously

    The thing from the sky was the hatch door.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Whidmore

    by leesheri

    For more information on that read the book. if you go to www.4815162342.com they have the lowdown on the book "Bad Twin" in one of their threads. That name comes up in the book. I can't remember the proper spelling. Sorry.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 p.m. CST

    seriously

    by durhay

    "you're going ... to leave .. that coffee ... in the cab!"

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 p.m. CST

    Whole thing's a Matrix prequel . . .

    by Motherfracker

    . . . and this is the story of how Michael gets to Zion. Pretty soon Larry Fishburne and Syd Portier's daughter are going to show up. My serious prediction: Walt refuses to leave without Vincent. And there must be contract questions re: Eko, Locke, Jack, Kate, and Sawyer.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Guy at artic station looks like Jack!

    by Big Bad Clone

    somebody take another look and confirm this!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    durhay

    by seriously

    hahaha... nice. Hey, monster question: Is it just the smoke monster or is there another one? Remember the one from the first episode where the pilot is killed? Didn't seem like smoke boy.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    As requested: Answers

    by Freakemovie

    The first two are the biggies: #1 is one of the main questions of the first season and #2 is THE main question of the second season. But here we go. 1. How did the plane crash. 2. What happens when the button's not pressed. 3. Where did Desmond go. 4. What happened to Calvin. 5. Who's "Him" (Henry Gale). 6. Why did the light in the Hatch turn on for Locke (not really a burning question so much as a nice tie-up). 7. What is Widmore Labs/What does it have to do with everything. 8. Why did Libby go crazy. ....Now a lot of you will probably respond saying that a lot of these we don't know for sure. And you're right. But we can pretty much infer it, and I think in the case of the plane crash we can pretty much close the book on it. It's not like you can have direct-address to the camera and have Henry Gale, for example, say "Oh by the way -- I'm actually the big leader. I'm HIM." Hey, it's possible he's not -- but he obviously has a higher authority than the rest of them. And oh, one more thing -- Lost is a show built on mysteries. Until it ends -- and HOPEFULLY AFTER ITS OVER -- some things will still be left unresolved or up to the viewer to fill in. That's the kind of show it is. If you'd rather not watch that kind of show, don't. Personally I thought it was awesome.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    It's not the bermuda triangle

    by chrth

    Otherwise you couldn't follow a compass (that's the whole prob with the BT), and even if you did, 325 gets you stuck in the middle of the South Atlantic. A compass setting that imprecise means you're being pointed to a large landmass. And no, I don't watch this show, just thought I'd chime in :)

  • May 24, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Remember the Philadelphia Experiment

    by BrunoTheDog

    Powerful electromagnetic forces have unpredictable but very intense results. (The Philadelphia Experiment never happened, BTW, but it's still a badass story).

  • May 24, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    yackbacker

    by seriously

    Correct, my friend! You win..... nothing, sorry.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Shermdawg

    No, if you kept up with the 24 talkbacks you should know I like 24, but was put off by the joke of a season we just ended. Lost for the most part this season was boring, but had several great episodes, including tonights finale. Others include the tailies flashback episode, the Ekcol episode, just to name a few. This show is on the other end of the 24 spectrum when it comes to pacing. But either style can be just as frustrating. At least Lost didn't wholesale slaughter all of its interesting characters (presumably) just as a sorry ratings stunt. Both good shows, but both have their share of problems. But both look like they will have some interesting premises (presumably) next season.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    It's not syd portiier's daughter Motherfracker

    by Guerilla_Films

    It's Marvin Gaye's daughter...they all don't look alike...i like durhay's "Walken Psychic" quotes..

  • May 24, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Ashok0 is totally right.

    by nalapou

    Twin Peaks is the shit. And this Lost twist is fucking amazing.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Probably Antarctica - not the Arctic.

    by DonnaDarko

    It's much easier to arrange, paper-work wise, for a scientific expedition to hunker down in Antarctica than it is the Arctic - just FYI. Also, rumour has it that the actor who plays Desmond has signed on for Season 3, along with Michael Emerson (Henry). No word on Terry O'Quinn (Locke) or Adawale (Mr. Eko) though. Still - if O'Quinn was looking for work, it would be all over Hollywood.****An electromagnetic surge would completely fuck with the majority of satellites currently in orbit, whether they were pre-programmed to detect a surge or not, so if - haha - the writers are remotely researching EM surges - a LOT of people would be researching where that little 'blip' came from.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I GOT IT....

    by JBouganim

    YEA I ALSO THINK DESMONDS GIRL IS IN ON IT OR KNOWS ABOUT IT BUT THAT ELECTRO ANOMALY WASNT DUE TO THE BOAT...IT WAS DUE TO THE ISLAND RELEASING THE EM. AND NOW THAT SHE KNOWS WHERE HE IS SHELL GO GET HIM

  • May 24, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by seriously

    Don't forget about the 24 movie!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Look, just one thing about shitty plotting

    by Mickey The Idiot

    How the fuck do you get an accurate compass heading in the middle of a fucking electromagnetic anomaly? Gee we all dumb sheep.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:34 p.m. CST

    "Hey Henry - .. one .... shot!"

    by durhay

  • May 24, 2006, 10:34 p.m. CST

    But what about ROSE AND BERNARD?

    by digital8

    The two greatest characters ever most definitely awesome omg wow they rule no sarcasm whatsoever!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    only 8 seasons of 24

    by calami-shami

    cool they wont run it into the ground!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Actually, Mickey, you can get an accurate heading

    by chrth

    If the EM anomaly is consistent and persistent. Yes, it'll effect what appears to be North, but that doesn't mean you still can't head at 325. 325 just doesn't necessarily mean 10 degrees E of SE.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Mystery?

    by glodene

    Who shot J.R. BEEYOTCH!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    what the hell...

    by calami-shami

    is veronica mars about?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Is Jack redeemable at this point?

    by McCroskey

    I mean, they have turned him into a complete moron, and asshole. Sayid deserves some blame (odd to say that for the one character who seems to have the slightest bit of intelligence), but mostly it goes to Jack: to not inform Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley of what they were walking into is unforgiveable. And having Michael's betrayal confirmed, why would Jack believe him about the location of the ambush? They have completely ruined the Jack character, and unless they allow him to regain some of his manhood, competence, and intellect early next season, then they might as well get rid of him, because its not fun to see a formerly-good leader become such a complete douchebag.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    the time...

    by seriously

    cripes, it's 11:35pm ... bedtime for bonzo folks. Guess we'll talk to each other again next Fall. I have a feeling the writers of LOST are reading these talkbacks and laughing their asses off.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:37 p.m. CST

    "Walt ....... this ... DOG, VINCENT .....

    by durhay

    is your *birthright* ! .. "

  • May 24, 2006, 10:37 p.m. CST

    GirthFerguson

    by leesheri

    I have been a loyal fan for two years. Look back on the talkbacks and see where I have posted my predictions this past year. My sexual activities have nothing to do with how predictable the answers we were given tonight were. I did not want it to end. Lost was the ONLY television show that has kept me captivated. My ex-boyfriend tried and tried to turn me on to other shows. I do not watch television, it is all too predictable and now my last great hope has gone down the same route. You can continue to watch the show if you like; shoot, I may even be back next season. I am an optimist. Right now, I am just disappointed. Perhaps, you can explain why I should tune in next season rather than cursing and acting like a fool. A reason other than the hope they will find the groove they had in the first season. That season surprised me constantly. I loved it! Perhaps, once I have watched the season in its entirety I will fall in love with it again.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Actually we think...

    by SlappyMcNeal

    We think Desmond is caught in a rainstorm during Penelope's dad's race. Penelope's dad is part of Hanso. His people find Desmond unconscious on the boat. He says "Dump him on that island of ours." Penelope years later has extracted certain info from her father (who I probably dead now) and from records from the company that Desmond is probably on this island with a huge electromagnet on it. Perhaps her father told her that the magnet would go off when Desmond was dead? It all gives me a headache. Still its amazing how ABC ran a commercial break during the 3 minutes American Idol announced a winner. What's the most important thing in comedy?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Sayid, Jin and Sun will find Michael and Walt's boat

    by digital8

    When Michael runs out of gas...and Michael will make up some story about how he escaped and then Sayid will torture Michael.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST

    So "Henry Gale" entered the numbers after all...

    by slone13

    ...but then told Locke he didn't? Why?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Bad Twin(s)

    by Kraken

    I think Libby has a bad Twin. Bad Twins. More than one.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    was i the only one that thought that the snow/ice part

    by digital8

    was a commercial and abc accidentally left their logo over the video?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:41 p.m. CST

    We'll see what happens next season...

    by torpor_haze

    shit hit the fan on Alias in its third season. Hopefully Abrams can brake the cycle.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:41 p.m. CST

    First time we see something happening live off-island

    by digital8

    right?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Just wondering...

    by skitch

    ...if those who find that all questions aren't answered for them and neatly wrapped up are living the same thing called life that we all are? I can't remember the last time that answers to all my questions were handed to me wrapped in a neat little bow. Here's my advice...if you want quick answers, please watch old Three's Company episodes. I hear that there's always a "misunderstanding" that kicks things off, but everyone is happy at the end. Either that or head to Borders and just read the last page of every book. Doesn't anyone like to have fun anymore? Have we gotten so jaded that we forgot what that's like? Anyway, I thought most of the season was a bit slow (save for Eko's 1st flashback) but it certainly redeemed itself in the end. Now remember to stay classy planet earth!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST

    So wait...I didn't get what the amulet was for.

    by Murraypalooza

    I mean, Sydney spent all this trouble getting the "rose" amulet, only to have Sloane take it from her, right? They make it into such a key artifact, only to have it be "sorry Syd, *only* I can see this!" and we don't find out what it was? JIMINY CRICKETS! I hope when Wednesday evening rolls around, the LOST season 2 finale doesn't just toss out key plot points.....................oh, what day is it? :)

  • May 24, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST

    does anyone think they r really letting wally go?

    by capnamerica

    im thinking those compass coordinates lead them right to wherever the others r really hiding, no way they let wally go. im a bit surprised henry didnt kill ole michael, if i was jack i woulda killed his ass for sure. jack and sayid didnt have the best plan thats for sure, i mean was michael taking them somewhere else that hard to foresee? what worries me is that the group back on the beach lacks any driving force, there isnt a leader among them unless sayid manages to get back there and resurrect ana lucias dead corpse cuz the rest r spineless bitches. hurley is softer than he looks which is saying something. and has anyone had a bigger decline than locke, the guy goes from season 1 prophet/survivalist to whiny pathetic loser. hopefully eko managed to bludgeon him to death b4 the magnet went nuts. and the junkie remains the most annoying useless creature ive ever seen. im hoping baby aaron strangles him in his sleep when he caches charlie wacking off over claires sleeping body.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Speaking of the supernatural...

    by SlappyMcNeal

    In the pilot? Remember when the entire jungle came alive? And not just sound effects, but the trees were moving like they do in the Jursassic Park movies just before a dino makes an appearance? All that supernatural stuff makes absolutely no sense - yet.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    ...

    by SlappyMcNeal

    ...timing!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    slone13

    by clockpolitiks

    I think its because the magnet kept the island hidden. Maybe they wanted the magnet to go full blast and conceal the island forever.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Count 'em. Four ... Goddamn ... TOES

    by 'Cholera's Ghost

    EM crashed the plane! The Pearl was a ruse! The Hatch got Launched to Bejesus and back! I stand by the fact that this episode kicked my ass. Sure, I don't have a clue where this show is going, but count me in for the ride another season based on this bad boy. I guess I'm just one of those guys who can put up with going "Now, just WHAT in the FUCK is *this shit*???" for a whole year at a time, but even I hope things start to tighten up a bit in part 3. For now, I'm keeping faith in the writers.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Titus yes..McCroskey, no

    by leesheri

    He was the same man, not his evil twin. McCroskey, no and he never was in my opinion. His character has always irritated me.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Did anyone spot Michelle Rodriguez?

    by Mockingbird Girl

    Her name was in the opening credits, but I don't recall seeing Ana Lucia in the episode. Anyone? (I may have missed it... I totally missed the fact that "Elizabeth" was Libby!)

  • May 24, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST

    I fear for Season 3.

    by Wolfman57

    I'm not too sure what to think about the finale let and after what happened with Alias, I'm a bit scared for next year. But hopefully they come out swinging in November(?) and shock us all. My question is why the hell were those guys in the artic looking for the island?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Freakemovie's "answers"

    by OBSD

    1. Mabye. But if the crash was an electromagnetic "accident" how come the others had a list of everyone on the plane? Some tidbits given, but certianly not a full answer. 2. Answered. 3. Answered. 4. Answered. 5. Again, mabye. Mabye seeing as how he was tortured by these people (the Losties, not the 5 particular people on the dock), the others let him decide what to do with them. Kinda thin, but it's another theory. Besides, we don't even know who these people are or what they're doing. Do you think the writers are going to drop their leader in our laps so quickly? 6. Answered. 7.Yeah...not so much. Really reaching I think. 8. Really? tell me why she went crazy. Because her husband died? We don't know that for sure. How do we know she's really crazy? We don't. She might be a pathalogical liar, or she might have been involved with the Dharma group. See that's the thing with Lost. Every answer leads to 5 more questions. Which can be frusturating.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST

    I'm starting to think the guy with the twins theory

    by smackfu

    is correct - everyone on of the lostaways has a twin somewhere. The Inman twins, boone and shannon were twins, the novel was 'bad twin', now this guy at the end who was Jack dressed as Jacques Cousteau. Oh and the reason for the sound and the sky? Simply, it was the power of the EM field pulling the light inwards (which causes a red shift in all the light) and the sound inwards which causes the phasing sound. It was the sound of the sound waves phasing with the EM wavelenght.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Serious question: was Kelvin not Zeke?

    by Motherfracker

  • May 24, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST

    the question of Jack's likeness to the foreign dude

    by Freakemovie

    Whoever brought that up, check this out: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/twane217/Jackother1.jpg you were right buddy. I don't even know how to begin to theorize on that.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Its Walt, not Wally, you bonehead.

    by chickychow

    and no, i seriously doubt they're just letting Michael go. Henry couldn't have been more ominous if he tried during that last scene. Interesting that the Others didn't really freak out during the whole white out thing.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST

    ????

    by smutpeddlar

    ok..desmond did'nt push the button..magnetronics..plane crashes..got it...whats the deal with the key?..bright light..noise?..locke..eko..desmond, alive?..dead?apparently, you can follow a compass reading on the way away from the island, but not the reverse reading to return? personally i don't think they answered anything except that not pushing the button crashed causes high levels of magnetics..oh shit, what a revelation! how would desmond's boo know to look for a magnetic anomally, mabye she's a geologist, ....budumpbump!answers my ass, how about WHAT THE F!!! IS WITH THE BLACK SMOKE LOOKING INTO PEOPLES FACES?!? no hanso institute news? this show is infuriating, could be headed to x files territory, those first 7 episodes of next season better rock..2 month break between the first 7 shows..and the last 16, 7 more tries..thats it, as far as i am concerned, lost has 7 more episodes left, it was so tension filled the first 90 minutes or so,few shows can create such a sense of dread and foreboding, i really enjoy watching it, but 1 answer to add 6 questions is getting old, 7 more chances

  • May 24, 2006, 10:58 p.m. CST

    As not requested: Weak answers, more cheats by writers

    by snowpuff

    Ever watch a mystery movie where at the end the murderer is revealed to be someone never mentioned in the movie, for reasons that the viewer couldn't have known? It's called bad writing. Most of this generation's writers have a lot of great ideas and no patience to reign in some of those concepts in trade for a deeper storyline that respects and rewards viewers. Inventing a new character who picks up the phone at the last second... well, there's a term for that. It's called "cheating." As for why the plane crashed... you didn't know???? That was our answer? I enjoyed it, really, it was COOL, but there was no substance and I don't think it will be long before people start feeling like WE are all in some experiment.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Well I liked it

    by Heisenberg85

    Crazy 4 toed statue bugs the hell out of me. I really doubt all three, Locke, Eko and Desmond, are dead. As stated before, dramtically it would be terrible to leave their fates unknown for the cliffhanger, only to have their charred bodies found next year. I bet either the hatch is gone completely, or just empty. And yea, Michael and Walt are probably headed for a trap. Sayid will save them all!

  • May 24, 2006, 11:02 p.m. CST

    another jack twin pic

    by Holodigm

    http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7403/russian3hz.jpg it's smaller, but better quality. it's clearly jack, and clearly supports the twin theory.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:02 p.m. CST

    why would Locke, Eko and Desmond be dead?

    by chickychow

    where are these theories coming from? Seems pretty obvious the creators wouldn't do that. What ever happened to the hatch is the next phase of the show. As well as the artic and the "real" world?

  • May 24, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    chrth

    by Mickey The Idiot

    Point taken, fella. Honestly did not know that. I still think that was total cocktease overload. My problem isn't so much that we didn't get answers as that there were just so many 'new' elements introduced, it was like watching an insurance salesman go through all the 'benefits' in this shitty policy he wants to sell you. That's always a prelude to a con, so why do I smell the same here. Sorting out tonight's mess is going to need two or three episodes on speed before the show can regain its rhythm. Like I said, story just wasn't on tonight's list of priorities was it?

  • May 24, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Why didn't Charlie say anything?

    by Fuzzyjefe

    Easy. 'Cause the 2 guys he feels screwed him over are toast. That makes him happy.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Four Toes Theory

    by jimmy_009

    My friend and I have a theory...It started when we saw Apollo Bars and Geronimo Jackson. I thought it was strange that they were things we'd never heard of and would have dismissed it, but in each instance the characters in the scene asked someone else if -they- had heard of them too, which they hadn't. This struck me as odd,like the writers were trying to point out that NO ONE has heard of them. Then the four toed statue....All of it goes with our theory that the island is somehow linked to a parallel reality where things are almost like our reality, but not quite. Like things somehow evolved a bit and are mostly the same, but with some odd differences. So maybe the Others are from the other reality and are trying to get back or something. Anyone count toes in the show from earlier in the season when the Others walked by barefoot (the teddy bear scene)? If this is the case, then maybe the Dharma group is from this other reality too, and the reason they say hindu greetings and stuff is because that's the predominant religion in their world...just some ideas..

  • May 24, 2006, 11:07 p.m. CST

    re: snowpuff

    by Freakemovie

    (A) This is not the end of the series and (B) her character was always established. It's not called "bad writing". It's called a "tease", I'll give you that. It's a common practice for TV shows to taunt us with a tantalizing but unexplainable mystery at the tail end of season finales. This is commonly called a "cliffhanger" and gets you thinking over the summer about the next season. It's neat. (Sorry I'm being a prick. I'm just beginning to dread my desire to defend this show for the next three months against people who said the exact same thing about the last season finale.)

  • May 24, 2006, 11:08 p.m. CST

    It ain't Jack.

    by Wolfman57

    I just watched it again. It looks like him for a moment when he's yelling at the other dude, but when he picks up the phone and looks at the camera, you can tell it's someone else. It would've been a cool theory, but it doesn't work because that's not Jack.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:12 p.m. CST

    either

    by smackfu

    the Twins theory, or maybe the Lost EM machine does something fucked up with the quantum universe (alternate realities for every possible outcome of our lives) and these dopplegangers are versions of themselves from alternate realities. Maybe the machine sucks people out of their quantum universes by inevitable circumstance and they all end up on the island .It's basically an "island" in the sea of quantum reality, a pocket, that catches all of the people who have a quantum path in life that leads them to crash there. What Desmond said is true, there is nothing else to sail to, it's just an island, surrounded by water, that's the entire universe they're in, there's no where else to go. The darma people are the 'good guys' because they're trying to stop the phenomenon and/or just trying to escape it.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:13 p.m. CST

    by capnamerica

    good point about the plane manifest in the hands of the others, it really doesnt make sense unless they controlled the magnet to bring the plane down and/or manipulated desmond into doing so. that seems like a large plothole to me that isnt easily reconciled. i want some answers on wallys powers and i want them in october.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:13 p.m. CST

    I guess the reason I liked it....

    by CatVutt

    ...is because I absolutely don't enjoy the so-called 'character' aspects of the show. They're awful. The characters are cardboard, I don't care if all of them die. I really don't. I can't wrap my mind around the assertion that the flashbacks and the 'characterization' is what this show is about, because if it is, it doesn't work. At all. Characters routinely act like no people in the history of the universe would ever act, their 'beliefs' change moment-to-moment, the way they interact with each other will change wildly depending upon where the plot needs to go...so when the show bogs down in supposed 'characterization', I get sleepy. But Desmond's backstory tonight was really all PLOT oriented, and everything else progressed, some questions answered, more questions raised, and that's the only reason I keep watching. I'm not invested like I am with some really well-written shows. I'm just not. But when it's like this, tying a myriad of elements together and launching into new territory, there's no other show that does it better. Am I convinced they really know exactly where the hell this is going? Hell no, and I'll never claim this show as a must-watch, personal favorite. But tonight's was great, lots of twists and the damn thing moved for a change, and yeah, I'll give them credit for that. Period.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Yes, it's Jack with a fake nose, teeth, glasses, hat

    by snowpuff

    Yes, it is the same actor, with a bunch of prosthetics. If you can't tell, look at his gestures and facial expressions. It is Matthew Fox indeed. OK, that IS interesting.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    No, it's NOT Jack

    by Wolfman57

    It's all in the eyes. I could understand the teeth being different. The nose is pretty much the same. But I've just been looking at every picture I can find of Matthew Fox and the eyes are different.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Jacques/Jack playing chess...

    by Kraken

    It looks like your "plan" is to loose. You'll never see your "rook"/Michael again. If you slow down and look at Jacques ... it's Jack. With glasses that make his eyes look bigger. That's Jack's Twin. Libby has a twin... Jack has a twin... Remember Locke's eyes... good and bad twins.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Matthew Fox

    by Kraken

    I don't think he's wearing any makeup other than the glasses that are making his eyes look bigger. The close up shot of him on the phone, that's Matthew Fox's nose. That's him.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    It's not up for debate

    by smackfu

    because it's a fact. The guy at the end was matthew fox wearing glasses, a goatee and a touque. It's like someone saying that the guy in the Shining and the guy in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest are not played by the same actor. It's ridiculous, how can you not recognize an actor you've watched for 2 years?

  • May 24, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    As long as people are doing screencaps...

    by Logo Lou

    How about the 4 toed foot and that weird bird that showed up again? I have to completely agree with CatVutt. The "character" flashbacks have been boring and not really adding all that much to the overall story of the island itself (granted, as far as we know). But I really have no loyalty to ANY characters on the show. ANY of them can die as far as I'm concerned, in fact I hope they off one of the big tier folks early next season to keep things interesting.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Matthew Fox and Jack

    by McCroskey

    I wonder if the writers/producers have told him that there is some sort of payoff/redemption for Jack next year. Otherwise, he can't be happy with how Jack has become such a tool. He went from justifiably imperious/arrogant to inexplicably stupid and gullible, to now a complete and incompetent asshole in the way he let Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley go off on the expedition in ignorance, and how he managed to walk into a trap he knew was coming.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST

    glasses...

    by Kraken

    remember, the writers and creators are comic book freaks. Superman, Clark Kent... all you need is a pair of glasses to look diffrent.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    jimmy_009

    by smackfu

    See: my theory about the Island being a dumping ground for those quantum realities.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I refuse to believe.

    by Wolfman57

    I refuse to believe that the Russian and Jack are both played by Matthew Fox until I see some damn good visual evidence in the form of photographs and/or video. Until then, I remain skeptical.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Uh-Oh, CHONGOOOOOO!

    by fiester

    The only thing that could save this lame Land of The Lost/Danger Island by David Lynch wannabes. Cripes, American big three network television sucks ass. What a fucking joke. Watch this tripe or 24 or American Idol and think you're clever. It's utter shit. Sorry but that's just a fact. You can argue against it but you may as well be arguing about who should have won the friggin' American Idol contest: both shows are made for the same demongraphic even if they were opposite each other. Congrad America! Land of the Stupid, Home of the Bush!

  • May 24, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST

    It's not Jack. Seriously.

    by Novaman5000

    It's not.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Wolfman

    by snowpuff

    Again, turn off the sound and look at his hand gestures and facial expressions. It's Matthew Fox. Weird. But true.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    I am a LOST fan hands down...

    by isildur29

    I have been defending the show all season. BUT that finale had no closure to anything. I know the show needs cliffhangers, story continuation, and a deeper mystery BUT they can achieve all of that by giving the audience so reassurance that some little detail could get resolved. Look at it nothing was even slightly resolved at all. People will argue my thought and say if it was resolved there would be no show etc. Not true. They could tie up some small loose ends and build on top of that rather than ignoring stuff they had been building all season to immeadiatly move on to a new plot line. I love you LOST but tonight you were a slight letdown as far as a season finale goes and I fear you will lose alot of viewers.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:34 p.m. CST

    maybe LOST

    by isildur29

    is getting too caught up in the mystery and games and websites outside of the show. maybe they need to cut that shit down and focus more on what happens in the actual show first...

  • May 24, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST

    If only Ron Moore was running this show

    by snowpuff

    I think Galactica is an excellent example of the kind of writing I don't think we're seeing on Lost. Surprises, intrigue and you never feel hung out to dry or that the show is based on purely arbitrary secrets the writers will trickle out to you based on how long the series is set to run.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST

    jack and locke

    by BLWiseass

    The two "leaders" both hurt those in their charge with bad decisions. Locke's refusal to push the button and jack walking everyone into a trap because he had a "plan". His plan was really to walk in, get captured, and have Sayid run in like rambo?

  • May 24, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST

    It was not "Russian"

    by DonnaDarko

    I watch television with the 'Closed Captioning' turned on - the language the two men were speaking was Portuguese. And I'll bet a bottle of great scotch that they are in the Antarctic, not the 'Arctic'.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Lost is still the shiznit!

    by Neo Zeed

    Even though it boggles my mind. Four toed statues?!

  • May 24, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Biggest plot hole

    by Heisenberg85

    Ok, I forgot to mention this is my last post, but does anyone think it is a huge plot hole that Desmond first heard Locke pounding after Boone died, and not the countless times beforehand that Boone and Locke were pounding it (hell, when they hit it with the trebuche). Just saying.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Four Toes

    by Han Ol' Buddy

    Does anyone have screen caps of The Others, specifically "Henry Gale" walking on the dock? They were all barefoot, which seems semi-suspect. I could have sworn that at least Henry had only 4 toes. Please prove me right.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST

    It is Matthew Fox...

    by slone13

    ...that plays the Portugeese speaking character who calls Miss Whidmore in the final scene. It's not up for debate.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Tonight made LOST more powerful a TV force than ever

    by zillabeast

    The amount of buzz around WTF happened tonight is really going just continue building up momentum as the summer moves along. I think that while some people may feel cheated out of the promised "answers", the prospect of exploring some wicked new devolpments is too good to pass up. Come October, I predict a season premiere with the show's highest ratings ever. The trick at that point, will be to produce a premiere good enough to keep that audience. I expect some huge fucking things in the early parts of season 3, much like the huge start to season 2 last year.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST

    PICTURE FOR WOLFMAN

    by Freakemovie

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/twane217/Jackother1.jpg

  • May 24, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Kate, boob grab

    by Kraken

    Btw, for those Tivo'ing like crazy right now. I noticed something funny. When the castaways are on the dock, and the OTHERS pick them up to stand them up right after Hugo leaves... the girl picking up Kate TOTALLY grabs both her boobs from behind then quickly realizes what she did and moves her hands.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST

    oops...already been posted a few times

    by Freakemovie

  • May 24, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST

    The Giant Four Toed Foot

    by cookylamoo

    If it were yellow, I would speculate it was the foot of Homer Simpson.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I've seen that picture.

    by Wolfman57

    And I'm still not convinced.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST

    The scientist guy...

    by Celicynd

    someone on internet movie database's forums posted a "guest starring" list for the episode and it had a listing for "Man 1" and "Man 2"... this is the pic for Len Cordova who played "man 1"... it does look like the Jack-Clone, so I don't think it was Matthew Fox. http://tinyurl.com/qcv6b

  • May 25, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    SOUL PATROL, muthafuckas!!!!!

    by Lamerz

    Time to start watching Lost, timeshifted on DVR cuz the wife wuz watchin Idol. Who here would fuck Katherine on Idol? HUH????!? Sheeeeyit.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Good point about Superman

    by Freakemovie

    I've never found it convincing how people didn't realize that Clark Kent looks identical to Superman, but with glasses. But I guess the people who don't see Jack in the foreign guy have proved me wrong.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    So...

    by Renholder

    I love Lost but I keep trying to figure out what really happened tonight. Are Mike and Walt really free to go back to civilization? Are Locke, Eko, and Desmond dead? Are Kate, Sawyer, and Jack fucked? What is Penelope going to do after being called by Portuguese Jack? What was that statue? Is Kelvin the "Bad Twin?" Why is Charlie acting like nothing happened? Is Henry a high ranking Dharma person? Who will lead the remaining Losties on the beach? Sadly I think the only thing answered tonight was that the button did matter (it apparently caused the plane crash and kept the island hidden) and we learned a little bit about Desmond and Kelvin. Great finale but once again we are left with more questions then answers....which I suppose is the point...whatever.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST

    It's really V.F.D. running the island

    by realmsend.com

    Lost is becoming more and more like the everything is a riddle, everything is fake and everyone speaks in code world of Lemony Snicket's Series of Unfortunate Events (especially the later books and autobiography). Especially with the pretending the Hanso organization is realy (wink wink) on the Jimmy Kimmel show. Anyways I enjoyed a lot of the finale. I'm glad Michael was exposed. Because screw his son. He's unredemable. I agree with the people who say Jack really became a loser this episode. He didn't do one good thing all season. I don't think Locke or Echo are dead. No way. They will be back for sures. I was waiting for the revelation at the end to be like the end of the movie Dark City. I guess it still might sorta be (sans aliens). I just wish they explained what happened with the light/magnetic waves. That's all I'd need to be happy.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST

    we don't know

    by El Borak

    how long it was since charlie returned. if it was a few hours i think his mind was fried a little bit.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:09 a.m. CST

    and I did just check the credits..

    by Celicynd

    and man1 and man2 are listed just as the iMDb'er said.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST

    BIG MOMENT IN LOST HISTORY BECAUSE...

    by Mr. N

    Only one person figured this out, digital8. Guys come on, the last two scenes were huge because the flashbacks have caught up with the story on the island. Not that I'm saying there'll be no more flashbacks. But it gives the show another dimension, what if all episodes feature something going on in the real world with this whidmore girl trying to find the island. Desmond is dead so a new POV was just introduced. It's confusing, like why the hell were they in Iceland to measure electromagnetism? and why the others didn't flinch at the white sky... four toed statue. I think that michael and walt will make it to the outside world we'll see them try to work with the Whidmore woman at one point. NOTICE THIS: Nobody finds the island, the island finds the people. It's a crazy snowglobe indeed.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    imdb actor picture

    by Freakemovie

    wow, that guy does look a lot like matthew fox....now i'm just hopelessly confused.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    also

    by El Borak

    the french woman is the smartest person on the island. she is immune to the sickness. she has survived on her own forever and as of now has never been captured. she will and up saving the day somehow.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST

    So I was right!

    by Wolfman57

    Like I said: it's all in the eyes. Check out the tips of Len Cordova's eyes at the nose (I hope that makes sense). They curve downward. Matthew Fox's curve upward. Plus, Fox has a longer chin with a completely different jawline.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Damn... I'm confused as well

    by Kraken

    because that actor looks like the guy at the begining of the scene, then during the phone close up, it looks more like Matthew Fox than the extra /stand in guy. Wtf. Did they use both actors? Or are we just idiots looking for more BS than is there.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Widmore woman is looking for the island,

    by 2

    no Desmond. At least I think so. Widmore Industries (her father's company) built the hatches and other stuff for the Hanso Foundation (according to clues/info at the Hanso site, as well as labels on pharmacueticals and such in the show) and she's been watching for a magnetic pulse to locate the hidden island. They "missed it" when the plane crashed, the last time the pulse grew to a size that was detectable, but this time they figured out where it is. So I think it's safe to say next season we will have more company on the island....

  • May 25, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I cammed in my pants!

    by Silver Shamrock

    outstanding ending. we also definitively learned: They aren't all dead/purgatory, that the real world still exists out there. Locke and eko aint dead beacuse of the exchange about locke getting his faith back. they wouldn't have that and then have him killed off. hot damn, that was a lot to process.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST

    my theory

    by El Borak

    is that the island is invisible to the rest of the world because it PHASES in and out of our reality due to the huge electro-magnetic whatever. that's why it's "invisible to God", desmond can't leave, the lost civilization (weird statue foot) and that maybe the machine or whatever can be activated/deactivated causing the island to disappear/reappear in our dimension. thoughts?

  • May 25, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Actually, I'm wrong about the eyes.

    by Wolfman57

    But still, that ain't Matthew Fox.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Next Season

    by Mr. N

    What if Season 3's first few episodes are about this Whidmore woman and co finding the island and then being trapped. It'd be a great way to learn more about Dharma and the island itself through other means.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST

    one thing that has not been discussed:

    by mrgreentheplant

    michael's obvious infection! that gorbachev thing on his forehead that got bigger and bigger as the episode progressed (maybe not, but it wasnt always there). does this mean the others infected him with their "vaccination" or whatever that was last week? will he infect the outside world with the secret dharma monkey influenza? as for my guess on the four-toed giant foot: dig under it and you will find john cleese, eric idle, graham chapman, terry jones, terry gilliam and michael palin.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST

    just like brunothedog said

    by El Borak

    i was thinking about the phili-experiment where they "supposedly" worked on invisibility and ended up actually WARPING in and out of our dimension! with horrifying results!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Meh says the Jedi fan

    by Spicypeanut

    The irony. I guess I'm the only one that really enjoyed it for the fact that they said it would end on a kiss, and it did... but not with who we thought. It's those little touches that make this show worth while. Good character development, slowly built intrigue and weird monster birds. Interesting and I'm ready for season 3 because ya know why? I HAVE PATIENCE. If 24 is better, got the fuck back to the 24 board. Although I seem to remember that 24 was pretty well predictable and their second season was a stinker filled with his idiot daughter. So stick it already.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST

    SLAPPY MCNEIL:

    by nushustu

    That timing joke was fucking hilarious. I seriously haven't laughed that hard at a talkback in ages. Thank you.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST

    why

    by ZO

    would they kill eko and locke and desmond? that would be no payoff and the lost guys arent like that. its a waste to kill them off.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    smackfu just gave me another idea.

    by El Borak

    how fucked up would it be if somehow they got back to reality and found out that in "our" reality the plane was fine and didn't crash and there are now 2 versions of each of them. the first is fine and living their lives and then the WARPED COPIES return home. like jack goes home and runs into himself there.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Michael's infected?

    by The 76th Cave

    Did anyone else see Michael looking down at his arm where he had another scab-like growth like on his head? He also looked like he was in pain...and was Fenry staring at it at the end? Checking it's progress, perhaps? Maybe they didn't take Mike's blood after all...

  • May 25, 2006, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Maybe just a red herring (sp?)...

    by alexmac97

    but when I saw the foot statue, it reminded me of an ancient wonder of the world. Now I just found these: http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/foot.jpg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes

  • May 25, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST

    It was NOT Matthew Fox at the end

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    From the official ABC press release: Guest starring are Malcolm David Kelley as Walt, Henry Ian Cusick as Desmond, Sam Anderson as Bernard, M.C. Gainey as Mr. Friendly, Michael Emerson as Henry Gale, Clancy Brown as Kelvin Inman, Tania Raymonde as Alex, April Grace as Ms. Klugh, Alan Dale as Charles Widmore, Stephen Page as Master Sergeant, Michael Bowen as Pickett, Sonya Walger as Penelope, Len Cordova as man no. 1, Alex Petrovitch as man no. 2, Eyal Podell as young man and Cathy Foy as receptionist. It was either Len Cordova or Alex Petrovitch on the phone.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    smart people: HELP

    by mrgreentheplant

    i've been to hansocareers.com and i'm positive that a "mystery secret" lies in the letters that are GREY instead of BLACK (go to the site you'll see what i mean) but i need help because the letters are most likely an anagram: Nslutmiemaya like i said, smart people figure this out

  • May 25, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Season 3 Questions

    by TheBigChill

    Damon Lindlelof you have some explaining to do. I am just going to throw out about a bijillion questions after the 2nd season. Alright . . . Going all the way back to the Lockdown episode . . . when "Henry Gale" knew something would happen if the numbers weren't pressed. "HG" goes behind the wall, and black lights turn on. Locke sees the map. "HG" comes back and tells Locke that he did nothing. This is the beginning of Locke's "NO PUSHING THE BUTTON!" movement. Obviously "HG" didn't want him to press the button. Why? The Others were not shocked by the blast. Why? Libby was Elizabeth . . . Jack was Jacques or whoever . . . What is up with the twin thing? Locke, Eko, Desmond . . . what happened to them? I can't see them killing off Locke . . . his character's past is far too mysterious to kill off simply because we don't know why the hell he has a different job in every flashback. I really like Eko, and I thought Desmond was pretty interesting, but I can see them dying. So my question is where did they go? What are the tests that they made Walt go through? I believe Ms. Clue said something about the Others having problems ever since they arrived. What was going on while Walt was there? What happened to the Black Smoke cloud? If that station that we saw the Others guarding is nothing more than a decoy, where is their real station? What do the Others want with Sawyer and Kate? Wanting Jack makes sense because he is a doctor, but a con man and a wanted criminal? We saw in Hurley's attempt to find the beach that Sayid described the he has no idea how to determine direction or track . . . so why did the Others have him walk all the way across the island only to send him back? The plane crashing on the island wasn't coincidence. Was it because of the ElectroMagnetic Pulse or whatever, or something the Others planned? Or did the Others plan for Desmond to miss that sequence? I don't buy the quantum reality theories because Henry Gale that the world would know what he did to get his son back, making it quite clear that it is a place of this world ... So where the hell is the island located? The Others have the plane manifest. Many of the people on that plane were there due to an outside influence (Claire the psychic, Sawyer and Kate the law, Jin and Sun on business, Jack his father's "death", Sayid the American government, Locke the Walkaround thing sending him back). What is the link between these outside influences? Is Jack's dad really dead? Who is in charge of the Others? What about the currect influence of the Hanso Corporation on the island? And Dharma Initiative? What happened to the Swan Station? There about five thousand more questions to be raised (and half of them will never be answered) but those are some of mine that I carry on into next season. I am excited for next season, but at the same time dreading it. I don't know what to make of the direction that the show is going in. I think we will finally learn more about the Others because you can't have LOST without Jack, Sawyer and Kate. We will definitely learn of the fate of Mr. John Locke and his current faith in the island. And some sort of rescue mission is going to start. . . or at least some knowledge of what the outside world is doing to locate this missing plane. What is cool about this next season is that they can start to build into answering questions while not having created a wall. Lindlelof can now start giving us answers to many of our big questions without it feeling as though there is nothing left. Most of the major questions don't have definite answers, so while starting to limit the realm of possibilities, they have also opened doors to finer, possibly more interesting questions. Hopefully Season 3 will become way more answer oriented instead of the constant question raising.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    BULLSHIT!

    by topaz4206

    No way do you not kill Michael after he admits to killing TWO INNOCENT PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD! Fuck his son! I don't believe: A) Sawyer doesn't shoot him right then and there because of Ana Lucia, and B) Hurley doesn't strangle him right then and there because of Libby. Ridiculous. Also, it would have been cool if the electromagnetic incident sucked the guns out of all the Others' hands, making way for an old-school fisticuffs beatdown at the shore.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Proof it's not Matthew Fox....

    by veritasses

    Fingerprints and DNA aren't the only unique physical characteristics of a person. The shape of a person's ear is just as unique and can be used to distinguish between different people. Compare with http://tinyurl.com/zy5s2 Clearly not the same ear.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:57 a.m. CST

    "HIM" isn't "Henry Gale"

    by koomoReborn

    "Him" refers to Aaron. Not the baby Aaron, but the other one, the one who's just had a seal released. Walt was let go because he turned out not to be the special kid the Others were looking for. Baby Aaron is that kid, and He just tried to kill him with the hatch.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Topaz4206...

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    I don't think Sawyer would have killed Michael right there. He didn't have an emotional connection with Ana. I do think that Hurley should have lunged at Michael or done something to show his anger. Also, it would have been tough for "an old-school fisticuffs beatdown" because Jack/Kate/Sawyer all had their hands tied behind their back.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST

    That sucked... I knew we were gonna get screwed...

    by Russman

    (sigh)

  • May 25, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    I hope you are kidding, Russman

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    This was an outstanding episode, with the last scene being possibly the biggest scene in the history of the show

  • May 25, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Nslutmiemaya

    by J_Itkowitz

    here are two anagrams for this: Asylum Inmate; Simulate Many. for the rest, here's a generator. plug it in and go. Yea Tan Muslim!!! http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.mamo/anagram.html

  • May 25, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Jorge

    by topaz4206

    That's where Hurley comes in, son. Throws two people in the water, releases Sawyer, then its on like Donkey Kong. I hope Michael has the flesh-eating virus.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Considering Hurley didn't attack Michael...

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    ...after hearing he killed his gf AND that he just covered his head like a scared bitch when Jack screamed for everyone to run, what makes you think that he would step up to the plate and bea able to think that fast?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST

    If you watch this show....

    by vinceklortho

    and you didn't like that episode(???)...I don't know what to say....wow. What the fuck.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST

    ?

    by Titus05

    so what did turning the key do?...get rid of the electromagnectic buildup?...I thought that was what the button pushing did every 108 minutes?...if turning the key did the same thing why didn't Kelvin or Desmond just use the key much earlier?...plus now that the hatch and computer are destroyed does it mean that the turning of they key got rid of the magnetism buildup permanently?...if so then what the hell was the point of the number punching??

  • May 25, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST

    HOLY FUCK!

    by VinnyMac666

    Henry is in charge (is he the him? I don't know) Jack, Sawyer and Kate have been taken, The hatch blew up, Locke and Eko... DEAD? NOT DEAD? Antartic? Charlie and Claire FINALLY. Tom? Bea? Bea Klugh? or not at all? FAUX HENRY! IN CHARGE! Can Hurley even find his way back!? FOUR TOED STATUE!?! WTF!?! Penny looking for DHARMA / Desmond. GAHAHHAHAHAGAAA! OCTOBER! I CANNOT WAIT THAT LONG! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK! Wow. Glad I got that out of my system!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST

    What Year IS It?

    by Jimmie Dimmick

    Checking the computer print-out, Desmond said it was Sept.22, 2004, though in the past, it's been discussed (from Jack's ticket; and from a spin-off novel) that the flight was/is in 2009. Or did I just smoke too much crack?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Surprised no one has mentioned...

    by Mockingbird Girl

    ... that Desmond's full name is Desmond David Hume. That makes three "philosophers" on the island: Locke, Rousseau, and Hume. Time to brush up on your readings on moral philosophy and the Social Contract, boys and girls.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Check this out Nerds!!....

    by vinceklortho

    Lost: Season 3====LOTR: The Two Towers +The Truman Show. Still realing from that episode. Great tv! Don't care if they answered nothing and raised everything, I was on the edge of my seat. Desmond's flashback was the best I've seen all season, up there with Ecko's flashback earlier this season.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Titus

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    Turning the key was the fail safe. It DESTROYED the entire hatch. It blew up the huge magnet and all the rooms down there.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:15 a.m. CST

    That was not a good season finale.

    by Aragorn II

    It was a two-hour cocktease, plain and simple. I'm all for questions unanswered, but some resolution is necessary. Look at the 24 finale. Plenty of resolution, and yet still a cliffhanger. I had hope for tonight, but I'm sorry. I just don't buy this crap anymore.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Jorge FFS

    by topaz4206

    That's exactly what I'm saying. It was a good episode, but some people just did not act like decent fucking human beings. It is my criticism of what took place, not a failure to understand what took place.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST

    a few things...

    by Strabo

    They gave us a couple minor tidbits of information here. Nothing explosive but...meh. They confirmed that the plane crashed on 9/24. In the same scene, Desmond asks Locke how long they've been on the island. Locke says 60, maybe 65 days. That puts the second season finale happening around Thanksgiving 2004. Not like it really matters. As far as my opinion of the episode goes, honestly, I don't even care any more. This show has completely lost all attraction for me it once had. I stopped watching after that horrible Claire flashback and just read a couple of recaps so I could follow tonight's finale in the vain hope that the writers might actually give us some information. Instead we got what less judgmental people are calling a great episode...in reality, we got an episode that raised yet more questions without answering any of the questions that have been languishing for over a season now. We also got another heaping pile of new myster set up that will ultimately, like all of the setup from this season, go absolutely nowhere and will eventually become forgotten as the writers decide to dump another steaming turd of mystery in our laps. A few more observations. If Locke is dead, we're never going to find out what crippled him. The whole heading-325 thing is likely bullshit. In season one there was a scene where Locke had a compass where the camera zoomed in on the needle flailing back and forth uselessly. Compasses don't work on the island...the only possible solution is if Desmond actually did deactive the EM field. But...if he did that, how did the research station pick up an "Electromagnetic anomaly"? Meh, who cares? This show has failed.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Oh mighty Aragorn, what would you have done differently

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    Please give us your great wisdom.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Do the folks that hate and despise this episode...

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    ...truly feel that way, or do you just say that stuff to fuck with people?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST

    The Walt Count: 24 Episodes (Aragorn)

    by topaz4206

    Walt was taken at the end of season 1. That's 24 Episodes, and still not a clue as to why they took him except "TESTS". Fuck man, I enjoy much of this show, but I see where you're coming from Aragorn. Can you feel the 7-season arc yet?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST

    man oh man

    by Deadwood Dan

    i have so much to say, and at the same time i have nothing that can be adequately expressed...great way to end a season...too bad prison break didn't end somewhat interesting. between this and 24's ending earlier this week, i'd say i've had some good times in front of the old tv.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Few things

    by Jorge Von Zidek

  • May 25, 2006, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Ok, so that we're all on the same page...

    by slder78

    all the haters (hi, i'm slder78 i've been a hater since the middle of season 2) are idiots and all the devout fans are neo-Lucas-prequel trilogy apologists. I wouldn't be as harsh if Abrams et al hadn't said that this finale would blow everyone away. I was willing to give them one last chance to redeem themselves. but they screwed the pooch. Yes, yes i'm an idiot, blah blah. BSG rules over this show, At least when nothing happens on BSG it's still interesting. When nothing happens on Lost it's boring as shit. So ABC has managed to get 3 hits on the air (Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, Lost) and all of them are gonna flame out. I've already crossed Grey's off my list, never watched DH, and Lost, well i'll have to watch AICN from time to time. Yes i'm an idiot, i heard you the first time, but you know what? Like my feeling for Lost, I just don't care.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Off the top of my head...

    by Aragorn II

    1. Don't continue to make one of your lead characters (Jack) continually appear to be a doofus. 2. Don't waste half of the episode with flasbacks that could relay their important information in half the time they took up. 3. Don't spend the whole episode following Sayid on his secret mission and then just forget about him during the climax. 4. Don't spend the first 3/4 of the episode teasing us about the countdown clock when we've already had the entire season to anticipate what happens when it gets to zero, just get it there and then move the plot into the results. Basically, the first hour and a half of this episode was no different than what we've been fed for the past season. A whole lot of 'what ifs' with zero payoff. I think a lot of the last half hour was interesting, but it seemed like the first time in the entire episode that anything actually happened. If you're promising a two hour season finale, deliver two hours worth of entertainment, not a half-hour. That's not great wisdom, Jorge. It's just intelligent dramatic structure.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Come the fuck ON! THAT RAWKED!

    by LordEnigma

    Last year, I came to these talkbacks, and complained like many here tonight. However, tonight, that finale was incredible. Kate and Jack have a R2 and Luke Skywalker JEDI plan going. Luckily they have Sawyer there. Whose good in a fight. Sayid, Jin, and Sun have a boat to explore the island. They also have a BOAT now. Which means they CAN LEAVE! Jack, Sawyer, and Kate should have been able to hear the course setting. Michael and Walt left, but Michael left a bit wrong. He did look infected and sick all night. Charlie and Claire are back together. DESMOND survived due to Locke, and now all three guys are going to be snowmen. Just to fill you in--blinding light does not always mean evapourating. Desmond is a regular next year. Hopefully so will Penelope. Who spent Caleb Nichol's money on tracting Electromagnetic Phenomena. Look at the computer screen in that sceen. The light beeps due to picking up the SHIELD coming down. It's a SHIELD. Now people can find the island. Now they can be found. It explains why the equipment failed, and why certain survivours were healed. A lot of magneticism can possible do that to a person. Sure, there are more questions, but we have all a lot of answers now. Next year, bring on, US VS THEM. Oh yeah, Henry Gale also becomes a regular next year. Which makes me wonder--does he know about the Jedi plan?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Few things

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    Michael and Walt won't be rescued. Desmond, who is an experienced sailor, said he headed due West and ended up back on the island. They aren't going anywhere. They will putter around out there, but they will eventually end up back on the island, probably with the other survivors....Desmond blew up the hatch. He didn't deactivate the magnet. He blew the fucking thing up. The hatch no longer exists....The Others did take Walt because he was a special kid and ran some tests on him. Season 3 will focus heavily on The Others, so don't be surprised if Jack/Kate/Sawyer start asking what they did to him and what went on. Also, Michael and Walt will be out at sea for awhile and I'm sure dad will ask son what he was up to all that time.....It makes complete sense for Locke to die right now. He was a man of faith and he abandoned it when he stopped believing in the button. His "punishment" for the lack of faith is death....That dude in the station at the end isn't Jack's twin. Stop reading into things too much.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Here's the actor who was "Jack's Twin"

    by Executor

    yeah, another "fan theory" down the drain. His name is Len Cordova, billed as Man #1 in the closing credits. Instead of spending all night doing screen grabs, why not watch the credits. His pic is on the imdb profile. Enjoy. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0502653/

  • May 25, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Who Said It BLEW UP?!?

    by topaz4206

    The button says "System Termination". There is no factual evidence in the episode to suggest that this requires a fiery explosion. The weird light was just that... a weird light. No one saw a mushroom cloud or anything.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Ok Aragorn

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    1) The last shot of Jack showed that he was up to something and had a plan. 2) We got to see what went on during Desmond's time on the island before everyone else got there. I don't view any of those segments as being a waste. He got released from prison and told to fuck off by Charles Widmore. He met Libby and got a boat (and that gave us more about her background). He saw Penelope and her line about being able to find anyone with lots of money came into play in the final scene. Then we saw him with Kelvin and how the plane crashed. The scene where he saw Locke up at the hatch was a great moment. 3) Sayid got back on the boat with Sun and Jin after the gang didn't show up, so he is probably sailing along the shore trying to find them. My bad, they should have included a scene where he says all of that, in order to make things obvious. 4) They were building the drama and tension. Will Eko get in there in time? Will they go through with it? It also allowed Desmond and Locke to talk about the hatch and the discovery of The Pearl--and then Desmond's discovery that you gotta hit the button and he crashed the plane......I thought the dramatic structure of the show was very good as usual. But what do I know, apparently I am talking to Joss Whedon or something.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST

    oh, one more thing....

    by Strabo

    The first season was 44 days. By Locke's admission, they've been on the island 65 days, at most. If the following five seasons (assuming the show runs for seven seasons) continue at the same pace that the first two seasons have, the show will cover a time span of about 230 days, ending in early May 2005. Not even a full year. They'd better get their asses in gear and start showing us something soon because at that rate, Malcolm David Kelly will die of old age while Sun is in her third trimester on the show.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:45 a.m. CST

    Well topaz, the lid came crashing from the sky

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    That seems to imply that it got blown sky high and was coming back down to earth

  • May 25, 2006, 1:45 a.m. CST

    To respond to Aragorn

    by LordEnigma

    1) Jack is not a DOOFUS. Did you miss the flashback episode that he will do what ever he can, whenever he can, because that's his character? People who go all out like that, on occassion, look fucking stupid. However, he, Kate, and Sawyer are now going to visit enemy territory. It's all a part of the plan. 2) Pay attention to CASTING NEWS, and tonights flashback made sense. Everyone of the REGULARS now has a flashback episode. Each and every one of them, and that means the FLASHBACKS are over. Desmond, as it turns out, is incredibly important to this show. So, if you want to criticize his flashback. Go right ahead. It had to happen to let us know why he's important, what the hatch is there for, and what he might be fighting for next season--his honour. 3) Sayid's secret mission had more to do with the FOOT than anything else. He was not forgotten at the end of the episode. Sun, Jim, and Sayid are doing something else that will be picked up in 3:1-4. There's a FOUR-TOED STATUE, a fake camp, and two Koreans with nautical experience. That's a huge plot point, and do not ignore it. 4) Here, Aragorn, your entire argument falls apart due to your close-minded self--ignoring your very own 1-3. We have to know what's going on with the HATCH. We have to meet DESMOND. Since it would seem his woman will be a key to saving all the SURVIVOURS. We had to meet Kelvin, and did you notice he refered to the Dharma initative in a stereotypical Chinese accent? You think that was there for nothing? If you want to complain about Dramatic Structure, sir. Then how about paying attention to the dramatic structure of this show. Instead of poo pooing it away due to simply being closed-minded. OPEN YOUR MIND.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:46 a.m. CST

    You idiots. The HIM is Alvar Hanso. Now for the rest...

    by Regis Travolta

    Jack, Kate, Sawyer are the three strongest personalities of Flight 815 survivors. Sayid is strong but for plot purposes he needed to be omitted so he could follow and do recon and soon rescue work. The Others are the remnants of the Dharma Initiative who want to start a new utopian society. The twins angle is clever perhaps more like step-brothers and step-sisters. Hanso clearly had research going on all over the world before Dharma every got started. This was a five star season finale it was brilliant television and the Desmond flashbacks were great. Complaining about the show because you don't fully comprehend it is a waste of time. Try thinking and analyzing it before you post your "What the fuck!!??!!"s. Oh and Locke and Eko both survive. As for the EMP white-out yes. As for all the empty pneumatic tubes that went nowhere that was a very clever twist the Pearl hatch is also part of the experiment. Desmond was right Locke had it backward loved when he told Eko "I was wrong." Prof. Pop-Cult will no doubt do more analysis and better analysis so until he gets here cool it. He should have his own Coaxial Column here I think. Take it away Prof!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Jorge

    by topaz4206

    The lid was METAL, as was everything else that came down (the cans of food, etc.) This implies an electromagnetic pulse, not a TNT-like explosion.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Best fucking 2 hours of television ever

    by Veraxus

    Holy fucking shit that season finale was AWESOME! But... goddammit now we have to wait for more answers!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    So has anybody plotted the island's location

    by The Selecter

    based on Desmond's comments? Perhaps not, he's a crappy sailor anyway. I'm glad they didn't make the Dharma Key the cliffhanger; that would have been way too obvious. I was hoping the boat with Michael+Walt would blow up as it chugged away Mechanic or Magnum Force style, but alas, they let the prick live. Alan Dale got to keep his native accent! I concur with CatVutt, this was an enjoyable episode and much better finale than last season. Lost can be pretty good when they stick to the Island instead of the endless flashbacks elsewhere. It opens up some possibilities for them to take the series elsewhere. Whether it soars or goes down in flames remains to be seen.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    They are under the ice in Antartica

    by mildewproduction

    They are on the island of Atlantis. Soon the ice will melt causing Global Warming. Al GORE WAS RIGHT. But it wasn't oil burning that caused Global Warming it was not pushing the button!!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Damn.

    by Aragorn II

    My cover has been blown. Really, though, I'm happy that you can see it through such rose-colored glasses. Envious even. I'm just voicing an opinion of how it seemed to me. I'm not proselytizing for the Church of Haters here, I'm just saying that in my opinion it was thirty minutes of good appended with ninety minutes of filler and glacial exposition (i.e. "It also allowed Desmond and Lock to talk about the hatch..." Haven't we had quite enough of that at this point??) But I'm not really trying to prove you wrong as much as I'm just voicing my own discontent.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:53 a.m. CST

    LordEnigma

    by Aragorn II

    I will open my mind when you learn correct punctuation. Deal? (And yes, I know that's a shitty response, but I just typed a whole thing to Jorge and it's past my bedtime.)

  • May 25, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    That doesn't make any sense

    by Jorge Von Zidek

    How could he have already had enough of Locke & Desmond talking in the hatch, considering the last time Desmond was pointing a rifle at them and freaking out.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Fair enough.

    by Aragorn II

    I was actually trying to emphasize the "talking about the hatch" part more than the "Desmond and Locke" part, but thanks for keeping me honest.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I think there is something to this "evil twin" theory..

    by RaylanGivens

    ...because the people bitching about last year's finale not answering enough questions are probably the same people bitching that this year's gave up too much info. Evil twin talkbackers or just plain schizophrenic? And everybody be sure to copy and save leesheri's post -- he's apparently a genius and he'll be telling us how he predicted next year's finale after it aired. We bow before you leesheri... you are our Henry Gale, while we all wear fake beard's in your mighty presence, you tool.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Haters, what would make you happy.

    by Heisenberg85

    Really though, what would make you people happy? Answering all of the questions without raising any more? That would make for a damn boring and uninteresting third season. If the show pisses you off so much, stop watching it and stop obsessing over it on these boards. You know what? I don't like American Idol, so I neither watch it nor discuss it online. Follow my lead if you don't like Lost.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Heisenberg85

    by Aragorn II

    I'd much prefer answering questions while raising others, which is of course happening to some extent. I just think it's unravleling too slowly. And I'll pass on your prescriptive solution, because I actually do like Lost. I'm just not above criticizing it when I think it falters. (Which I think is a pretty sound use of a talkback.)

  • May 25, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    That's it

    by Purgatori

    I'm offically done with this show. Best season finale ever Abrams? Fuck that. That was just freaking awful and stupidly written. Lost indeed, as in your viewership. You'll have possibly one more season (most likely half of one) and then your done.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    ...the flashbacks are not over

    by whiteheat

    I don't think we've seen the last of the flashbacks. There are a few questions that need to be answered. The first is - how did Locke get into that wheel chair? Unless I missed the episode that answered that question.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Questions Answered

    by Leshrac

    I certainly agree that many questions were raised, but to suggest that nothing was answered is patently false. The main mystery of the 2nd season was mostly if not entirely answered (What happens when the timer goes to zero) and at the same time we learn what caused the plane to crash. Certainly, some more questions exist regarding the hatch/button (What is it's purpose? If it actually did cause a massive electromagnetic charge that could destroy everything, why couldn't they simply automate "pushing the button"? Or if this weren't possible, why make it a weird exercise, ie, pushing a random sequence of numbers? I think it will take us at least 1 season to start uncovering more about the Hanso Foundation and it's purpose with the island) Also, yes, we do NOT know what the result was of turning the key... In fact, we can be fairly certain that a giant explosion did not take place... if one had, then Charlie probably would not have been able to just walk away like he did... and certainly, the crazy sound and light... I don't believe that's typical of an explosion. As for the Others... you had to realize that they would be playing a large component of Season 3... They just hadn't given us enough information about them yet to really blow the lid off of them yet. We'll certainly be getting more information from tracking the 3 captured survivors next season... I eagerly await it.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Heisenberg

    by topaz4206

    I wish it were black and white like that, but there's much about the show I like, and I've invested too many hours to just walk away. Shit, I even stuck with Alias all the way to the horrific finale. I'm just saying, with other shows I enjoy (The Shield, 24, The Wire), it seems like I'm busting a nut all the time, even as new developments unfold. With Lost, it feels like someone tugging on my prick *just* slow enough so i NEVER CUM. And that's just a bit frustrating. Some guy was running a blog (lostquestions.blogspot.com), he hasn't updated it since LAST NOVEMBER(!) at which point there were 137 unanswered questions. By now, they've probably broken 200, and answered maybe 10 more. At this rate, by the series finale we'll have roughly 913 unanswered questions.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST

    Kate's Rack

    by DeezeNutz

    Okay kids, I kid you not. At the end of the episode when the female Other pulls up Kate, she accidentally grabs Kate's tits. I. Kid. You. Not. Those with TiVo check it out. I can't believe they didn't use/have another take... maybe it was the editor's little joke.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Henry Gale is right

    by Karate Snoopy

    I think Henry Gale told the truth: they really ARE the good guys. Cloning is involved. Maybe the Others have to program the clones with their previous "memories." Desmond and Locke seemed to have established the timeline, so if it really began 9/22/04, it's now November 2004 (Locke said they were there 65 days). In 2004, there are no clones, nanobots or remote viewers. If it's all real science, as has been promised by the creators, it's got to be a research station. Maybe the Lost island is in a bubble in the Antarctic, and the EMP will now shut off the energy field that has been keeping the island invisible. FUck who knows. And Kate's really a penguin. Every time I start thinking I've picked up a clue, by the time I type it out I've got a dozen things about it that don't work!!! So far, my favorite theory is that the "Kate" "Jack" "Sawyer" characters that we know are really other people in a mental exercise or game, who are imagining themselves as these characters, as part of some psych experiment. Sort of like "Wine Of The Dreamers." Anyway.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:30 a.m. CST

    It's ALL a psuedo-Philly experiment story - GET IT???

    by Triumph poops!

    Come on, people -- connect the dots! The island has some truly LARGE SCALE experimental scientific technology built it, as evidenced by what we saw tonight when Locke let the clock run out. So here's the deal: We KNOW we are now dealing with ISLAND-SIZED magnets that can literally turn the entire sky white and generate enough power to bring down a jetliner... coupled with a scientific organization (Whidmore/Hanso) that's conducting an experiment ala the U.S. Navy and the Philadelphia Experiment (the parallel there being what happened once in a naval shipyard (which incidentally is often referred to as "the incident")versus LOST and THEIR event which they're likewise calling "the incident" (!) which ALSO phases something (in this case an entire island) in and out of time. Couple THAT with the fact that you ALSO have all sorts of things that are clearly "out of time and place" popping up on the island (an ancient stone foot statue, a pirate ship, crashed airplane, polar bears, etc). But here's the biggest tip-off of all: in this episode you have Desmond noting that he caused the crash of the plane on September 22, 2004 -- which ties into the notion that the show has been running in semi-real time ever since it premiered 2 years ago IN 2004. That's confirmed by Locke himself when he answered Desmond's question by stating the crash happened only 60-65 days ago. HELLO! ITS 2006, PEOPLE -- THAT'S THE TWIST. At the end of the show, when Penny gets called by the researchers in the Arctic, THEY'RE ALL IN THE PRESENT DAY OF 2006. THAT will be the big twist of next year when "someone" (possibly Penny herself) gets to the Island. She (or someone else) will cross through the magnetic phase barrier that keeps the island invisible and off the charts and the shocking revelation sometime next year is that the island is invisible AND phasing in and out of time, which is how it captures and strands things there now. It will then turn out that Penny has been looking for this island, this science anamoly that's been phasing in and out of time and stranding people on it (ala the Bermuda Triangle) for the last few years (in CURRENT real dates and time) to find her lost love (Desmond) all because she now knows her father's company had something to do with this whacked experiment. So next year in Season 3 we'll see a few flashbacks centered on Penny in which her father dies and she acquires his business empire, and THAT'S how she finds out about the experiment and THAT'S how she'll ultimately discover from a scientist (who worked on the project) that Desmond's last recorded position was somewhere within the radius of the experiment, and that will explain WHY she's now determined to find him -- right down to having scientists monitoring for the next time the island appears in HER time. But I'm telling you, THAT'S the twist here. At the end of this finale, as she gets the call from her hired scientists who were clearly waiting and LOOKING for the island to show itself, THEY'RE ALL IN OUR CURRENT TIME (and note that "current time" will ultimately be revealed to be the year the show ends, much like 2004 is now locked in as the year this all started and when they crashed). But that's the twist. The islanders are SEVERAL YEARS OUT OF TIME and help will show up next year and the shock will be someone telling them "Jack, it's NOT 2004. What are you talking about? It's 2006!"...at which point someone like Locke will say "But how can that be! It's only been 80 days since we crashed!" Mark my words! This is what it will turn out to be! At its heart, LOST is a psuedo-Philly Experiment story crossed with the Bermuda Triangle. That's the gimmick. And the "others" are scientists who participated in the experiment and, as someone else noted in the thread, are actually trying to shut it down or simply get off the island (which will explain why some of them are more insane than others, why some of them will turn out to be not so bad versus some that ARE bad and willing to do anything to escape).

  • May 25, 2006, 2:35 a.m. CST

    HansoCareers.com/gray letters.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I was fiddling with the gray letters at HC.com and came up with what I think is a partial correct anagram. The letters are- NSLUTMIEMAYA. You can pull "namaste" out of those letters and that leaves you with L U I M Y. So is there another Japanese word spelled in English that would fit with those letters? Also, by accident I went to HansoCareers.ORG, that's some HOLY SHIT! kind of viral ad there.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Libby

    by ZsAsZz

    I've seen it mentioned in this talkback here a couple times but I'm surprised more of you aren't talking about Libby. Didn't we basically learn exactly who she is and who she works for? I mean, she is the reason Desmond got on a boat and was also at Hurley's assylum. It seems pretty obvious she's the recruiter for Hanso or whoever is bringing these specific people here. I expect to see her in many people's flashbacks next season in some capacity. Remember the look she gave at the end of the second Hurley episode this season? We were basically shown that she is not what she appears. To me this was a MAJOR answer given this episode. It shows how far this thing stretches and that these people were selected. I know that was many people's theory throughout, but it seemed to be confirmed here. It also tells us who the "spy" is in the camp that we all know is there -- i.e. why Zeke and the others seem to know everything about these people.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Random Observations: DESMOND'S LETTER, HIS PAST, FUTURE

    by DumbPunter

    Just wanted to add a couple observations, most of them connected to Desmond. First of all, I think he fell for yet another fabrication by Hanzo, or whatever we're calling the mysterious organization we really know shitte about. If you rewatch Desmond's rescue by Kelvin, we see him tearing through the book, leading me to believe he obviously found the letter. And then it struck me why Penelope's letters are familiar: we saw a novelty-sized box of them in the possession of pappy Widmore. Hanzo + Love Letter = Desmond Mindfuck. I suspect we'll discover that poor Dezzy turned the key on account of a forgery. And when will such things be revealed? During interwoven flashbacks of course. Although I think Desmond's body is about as intact as the plane of Flight 815, it inevitable that he'll be making appearances in the pasts of our characters. My money is on Sayid learning his damn-fine British accent while abroad in Desmond's mother-country. And fancy finding another military man, soon to be connected with our favorite Republican Guard's past benefactor, Kelvin. Although less certain, I suspect Desmond's insubordination may have arisen during a certain war in a country that rhymes with... um... "pie-sack". Lastly, in regards to Ms. Widmore's future role, Lindeloff has stated in an interview that next season will produce a major influx of characters that will change the dynamic of the show. If I were a betting man, and I used to be before I was blacklisted at all Nevada casinos, I'd put my money on a team of researchers arriving on the S.S. Minow II with Desmond's lass at the wheel.... oh, and lastly, somebody mentioned the tests that were performed on Walt. Just wanted to point out (since we know those smarmy writers LOVE misdirection) that Walt never said he was tested on. His words were "They make me do tests". I'd think it'd be a damn fine twist if they had forced/coerced the child into PERFORMING the tests on the SURVIVORS. If he does have psychic abilities, and Hanzo wants to study/use them, why test the subject when they can see his powers manifested on lab-rats?? Just a thought. Enjoy the misery of months sans Lost

  • May 25, 2006, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Libby's Husband.

    by Spicypeanut

    Did anyone else notice the odd coincidence that Libby's er.. Elizabeth's husband was named David as was Hurley's "imaginary" friend? Then they're both in the same mental hospital together later on? I'm really intrigued as to who else Libby is connected to b/c since she won't be having any flashbacks, her motives with Hurley will have to be eventually explained. It just begs the question as to who else is close to those two?

  • May 25, 2006, 2:44 a.m. CST

    The plane crash

    by thenatureboy

    Assuming the electromagnet caused the plane crash by shorting out all the electronics on the plane, then why did the plane tear in half in the sky?

  • May 25, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST

    By the way, Ecko and Locke are NOT dead...

    by Triumph poops!

    Going by my theory above, here's my theory on them as well. First off, they'll turn out to be alive simply because Ecko and Locke are total fan favorites and I really don't think the producers and writers actually want to kill them off, even as a shock. So I really believe they'll be back next year, ALTHOUGH just as a trick they could DELAY their return simply to keep everyone guessing and to make it SEEM like they're really dead. But mark my words, they'll show up as a shock ending one week. Also, I doubt they died because of the way it was staged. All we saw was Desmond thinking about Penny and struggling to use the key. But in that time while the camera was off them, Locke and Ecko could have gotten out. Come on, Charlie didn't get THAT much more of a headstart on them -- so if HE could make it out, I'm willing to bet they did too. And if you go by my Philly Experiment theory above, here would be the REAL mind-fuck or what could be a cool season finale next year: Ecko and Locke didn't die...they simply phased out of time. And next year for a shock ending or for the season finale shocker, you'd have them phasing back INTO sync and time with the island, at which point they're discovered by Jack and the others. What happened to them while they were out of phase would, of course, be left to Season 4 to make you come back yet again!

  • May 25, 2006, 2:50 a.m. CST

    After seeing the giant foot...

    by thenatureboy

    I'm predicting they find the giant heads from Easter Island and Stonehenge(the real one, not the one from Spinal Tap) on the island.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    by arrangedletters

    My girlfriend wants to know why anyone would build such large Simpsons statues?

  • May 25, 2006, 3:03 a.m. CST

    If you think that didn't rock...

    by slapshot

    ... turn in yer geek card, cause you ain't allowed in the clubhouse no more. IN NO WAY AT ALL did that season finale not rock the fuckin' house! Planet of the Apes style music. "Him" revealed. The first scene taking place "now" off the island. New characters. Possible death of several main characters. Michael's betrayel revealed. On and on and on. Cuse, Lindelof and JJ know exactly which geek buttons to push, and they just hit them all. Me and my dad were busy all night, and stayed up till 1am watching this. Neither of us were in the least disappointed. Shame on ya if you were.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Seven seasons!?!?! Bwahahaha.

    by Mr Brownstone

    I really think they oughta wrap it up next season. Enjoyed the finale though.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Brownstone

    by topaz4206

    They (Lindelof and Co.) admitted that the "big mystery" was outlined from the very beginning. Had it been cancelled mid-season, they said they could have wrapped everything up by the end of Season 1. However, once the season wrapped, based on the analysis of the viewers and the growth of viewership, they were told to plan for a 7-season arc. (This is all directly from their mouths). This is why we have poker games for mangos and pointless Ana Lucia flashbacks an hour before she gets eliminated. Because the "big" mystery hasn't changed, it's just been pushed back like a motherfucker, and now they have to come up with the creamy filling.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:51 a.m. CST

    if they think people will stick around

    by Mr Brownstone

    for seven seasons they are wofully deluded.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    MYTHOLOGY OF NAMES: The Fate of Locke, Ecko, & Desmond

    by DumbPunter

    Okay, just another few thoughts. At the risk of lending far too much gravity and giving the writers much more credit than deserved, I'd take a moment to project the futures of our potentially dead characters. As we've all seen, the writers love to suggest depth in the carefully chosen names, whether they be taken from philosophers, literature, mythology, etc. etc. So assuming they are following the mythic traditions of Christian, Eastern, and a myriad of other cultures, we can immediately draw pleasantly effective parallels. First of all, Desmond's lover is named Penelope, which would establish him as the hero of Homer's ODYSSEY. Desmond and Odysseus were both soldiers returning disgraced from a lost war. They must sail the known world to "recover [their] honor". Penelope must defend herself from an imminent marriage in the absence of her true love. Yet the most interesting application of the parallel is directly related to the question of the night: is Desmond still alive. For you classical studies, English majors, and history buffs (Hey! I knew it'd come in handy SOME day! Real-world-applicable education is for suckers), you may remember that when Odysseus (Desmond) was trapped on a bewitched Island, his plan to escape was momentarily halted after the death of one of his crew (Lets call him "Kelvin"). Odysseus is forced to travel to the Underworld in order to gain the wisdom from a Seer that would guide him home to his beloved. At this point, the goddess Athena (Lets face it, SOMEBODY is going to be comparing the electromagnetic release to God. I'm still crossing my fingers for an Indiana Jones tie-in) brings word of Odysseus' survival to his doubting homeland. So the point of this rambling rhetoric is to say that Desmond is currently out of commission, but simply undergoing his journey Down Under (To Ghost-Ville, not Australia), before he reappears in some form for Season 3/4/5/17. They'll obviously have to break from Homer's plotline once Penelope inevitably follows the signal to the Island, but I suspect the general premise will remain intact. Ok. That was kinda lengthy, but I'm gonna do the same with dear ol' Locke and Ecko, so bear with me. Rather than going to the European classics, for this pair we find parallel in the even older legend of Gilgamesh, as first suggested by Locke doing a crossword puzzle that contained the titular character's name and his steadfast partner-in-crime, Enkidu. In this story, Gilgamesh is a wise and powerful hero (Locke) who initially comes into conflict with a savage man-creature from the wilderness named Enkidu (Ecko). But when the two battle and discover they are perfectly matched equals, only different in appearance, respect soon leads to friendship. The two face off against a monster that nobody else can defeat (Let us not forget only two men have faced Smokey without fear, thus surviving). However, when Gilgamesh spurns the love of a Goddess, she decides to take away his only equal and companion, Enkidu. Again, the divine power represented by the electromagnetic force, which Locke refutes, acts as a perfect parallel, both stories resulting in ambiguous death. And like Odysseus, Gilgamesh travels to the Underworld to recover his friend, returning to the Real World to share the wisdom which he gained on his journey. Whew. I apologize to all that feel cheated after having read this delirious ramble. The simple fact of the matter is that I almost guarentee all three characters will be reappearing, and not simply in flashbacks, quite soon. Additionally, their stories will likely continue a similar character arc.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST

    That may be one of the best 2 hours in TV history....

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I'm going to have to dl this and watch it over. Because holy shit. So much to take in. I can't believe it. Everything that was slow, or possibly bad about this season was totally redeemed and answered and so many awesome questions were left for next season. HOLY FUCKING HELL!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    David...

    by Poacher

    That's a great point whoever figured out that was the name of Hurley's imaginary friend (Evan Handler). One thing I've come to realize is there are no mistakes in this show...now we've gotta wait for the new DVD to arrive so we can delve back into it.

  • May 25, 2006, 4 a.m. CST

    ??

    by Titus05

    if the outcome of not entering the numbers was one giant electromagnectic pulse then wouldn't that just effect any electronic/metalic items and not human beings...after re-watching the episode Kelvin mentions to Desmond that the original "incident" that Marvin Candle mentioned in the 1st Orientation film dealt with a leak of electromagnetic energy and the button pushing came AFTER the leak occured...I still don't get why they just didn't activate the fail safe system termination earlier?...since it seems to have destroyed the hatch and possibly the magnet(s) as well...what would have happened had they not turned the key and just allowed the magnetic surge to keep growing, wouldn't that just have effected electronics?

  • May 25, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST

    ???

    by Titus05

    2 other questions about tonight's season finale...1) Michael seems to have some sort of bruise/infection on his arm...is he infected with the disease? I've read that the actor who plays Michael will NOT be a series regular next season and might only show up occasionally, like Rousseau does...if that's the case then we might find out what happens with Mike and Walt for a long time 2) Kate gave Jack a wink right before they put the hoods back on them and led them away to their camp...what does this mean?...do they have another plan?

  • May 25, 2006, 4:16 a.m. CST

    NSLUTMIEMAYA

    by Shermdawg

    SIMULATE MANY or INMATE ASYLUM?

  • May 25, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    Titus

    by topaz4206

    The longest "System Failure" was Desmond's original (2 minutes or so?), and that one sucked an airplane out of the sky. We have no idea how strong this crazy contraption could have gotten. If the key hadnt been turned, more planes? ocean liners? the iron in our blood? Who knows what the magnet would have sucked in.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    That finale was CRAP

    by Curtis Spicoli

    I'm done with this show. That season finale sucked the big one. Like we needed more charcters to make things even more convoluted. Instead of learning more about things that have been lingering for almost two full seasons, they're going to waste time on Desmond's rich girlfriend and her backstory in Season 3? No thnaks. This show has gone in the toilet. Not only will I skip Season 3 in the fall, I will definitely pass on the Season 2 DVDs as well. What a letdown.

  • May 25, 2006, 5:24 a.m. CST

    Forget Libby showing up...

    by OhioBobcat

    ...I just realized that Kelvin was the guy who made Sayid a torture master back in "One Of Them"!

  • May 25, 2006, 5:55 a.m. CST

    The only question that was answered for me

    by zekmoe

    was "Is Evangeline Lilly and incredible piece of ass?" The answer is "Yes". But that wasn't that much of a mystery anyway.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Too many questions. Very unsatisfying.

    by Serious Black

    A good cliffhanger finale should leave the viewer with one or two big questions, not just play out like a regular episode that just stopped halfway through. This finale left us with many HUGE questions and virtually no concrete answers. Do Jack, Kate and Sawyer get away? What happens with Michael and Walt? What happened to Locke, Echo, and Desmond? Is that the end of the hatch and the button? And, of course, the biggest questions still remain: what the fuck is the island and who the hell are the Others?

  • May 25, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    Sigh... I guess I don't care anymore.

    by Serious Black

    I have no more patience for this show. That makes me sad. Oh well, just imagine all I'll accomplish now that I will have an extra 24 hours (make that like 240 hours when you take out web-browsing time) next year. Maybe I'll take up building ships in bottles. Or learn Esperanto. Oh the possibilities.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:32 a.m. CST

    thoughts and musings

    by prisonrulez

    Well, we were promised the answers to three questions in this finale. How does the Michael/Walt story arc end - check; why did flight 815 crash - check; what happens when the timer reaches 0 - check. Yep, it appears that all the answers we were promised were answered. Of course the producers never said anything about not giving us more questions. This episode was simply brilliant. And is further evidence that the writers and producers actually do read all this fan stuff out here...I mean come on the whole scene with the bird and then Hurley asking if it had called his name. I laughed out loud at that scene. I loved Desmond's flashbacks and I really hope he is back next season. It was refreshing to have some fresh flashbacks from a fresh character. And the whole Libby connection was brilliant. I haven't read every post in this talkback, but I know there are haters out there who probably thought this finale sucked. I don't know why, maybe it didn't answer all the questions for you...or maybe you didn't like the answers they did give...or maybe your mommy didn't give you enough hugs and kisses when you were a child...I don't know. But I, for one, believe this show has just taken it to the next level...I mean seriously...what would be the point in watching any show if we had all the answers?

  • May 25, 2006, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Henry Gale=Angry Hal

    by MemBirdman

    As with Ethan Rom, I worked HG's name as an anagram and came up with that. Considering Don Zeke Friendly said that their leader gets so mad in the Claire-centric episode, I knew Henry was the leader of the others based on the anagram.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST

    The date the Sox won the series . . .

    by Motherfracker

    . . . was 10/28/2004. They broke the Yankees curse on 10/21. They came back in game 4 of the ALCS on 10/17. Do you think it's possible that JJ and Lidelof are trying to offer an (electromagnetic) explanation for the Sox's success?

  • May 25, 2006, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Did ANYONE read BAD TWIN - explains the Widmores

    by LilOgre

    Yeah and it is WIDMORE. Charles Widmore is one of the main characters in the book and, in the book, it is revealed that the Widmores are one of the major funders of the Hanso Foundation. According to the Gary Troup interviews on Amazon.com and Borders.com he was very paranoid about this fact. I think that Pen (somehow related to Charles Widmore) was hidden from Desmond by Widmore via the Hanso Foundation. She probably found out what Charles was up to and discovered that the island was hidden by an magnet or a magnet was the way to find out where this island was located and was using it to find Desmond.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Also - what about WHY the passengers were on the plane

    by LilOgre

    Assuming that the magnet brought the plane down, WHY those passengers on the plane. Still a huge reveal for the show. And one of my theories is that Troup was on the plane because Widmore/Hanso knew that he had found out too much.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:08 a.m. CST

    And finally - writers reveal one HUGE thing last night

    by LilOgre

    This is NOT PURGATORY and NOT A DREAM. The island has some sort of connection to reality as was revealed in the last scene - what that is, who is to say. Say what you want but I thought that was huge.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Ok

    by lofe101

    dont know if anyone posted this, but i think desmonds wifes dad is the him and libby was working for him. how would she know about an electromagnetic surge. her dad wanted him gone and knew how to do it.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Christ, this show sucks.

    by MattCG

    I've given it every chance, but it's painfully obvious the writers are pulling it out of their assholes on a weekly basis. Also, those stupid McFarlane figures will be in the clearance bins for months, mark my words. Who the fuck wants figures of fucking people stranded on a fucking island? I thought in order to get a figure, you had to be slightly iconic. Sweaty people, standing and sitting around, yeah that's fucking great. Did I say fuck this show yet, because I meant to.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Not sure what more I could ask for

    by jccalhoun

    I was actually suprized at how many answers we got. I mean, whenever any teaser says "all your questions will be answered" you know it is a lie. If you compare where we were at the end of season one to where we are at the end of season two, we've came quite a long way. I fail to see why people are so upset with Lost when the X-Files was a million times worse at answering questions. It seemed like after the first two seasons every two weeks the X-Files would have an episode that promiced to "answer all your questions" and absolutely nothing would be solved. Did the x-files actually solve ANY questions regarding its overall mythology? I think Lost is doing a pretty good job of striking a balance between actually telling us stuff and raising more questions.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Well, at least Hurley will get some exercise...

    by SweetMonkeyCreek

    I really dig this show. I think it's one of the better shows on TV, but damned if I wasn't disappointed with this as a "season finale". I think this would have made a great regular episode, but it just left me wanting MORE...in the bad way. After J.J. Abrams mouthing off about how this season finale was something amazing (I don't remember his exact quote) all we got was more questions. The only things we learned were that Henry Gale is probably in charge of the Others, the button not being pushed is probably what made the plane crash, and Michael will probably get away with being a murderer (but he'll, more than likely, come back and get his cumuppence). And I can handle cliffhangers. I understand making us wait for the fates of Locke/Eko/Desmond and Kate/Jack/Sawyer, but a good cliffhanger should at least hint at something. I think I got spoiled after 24's GREAT season finale. Now THAT was a cliffhanger. I'm of the opinion that the first episode of this season should have been the LAST episode of season 1 and the first episode of season 3 will probably leave me feeling the same way. Either way, can't wait to find out what the hell is up with the four-toed statue leg!

  • May 25, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Libby

    by Phimseto

    Gotta run to work, but thought I would let you chew on this. First, it was Libby's boat. That Penelope would know to look for that island coupled with her family's involvement with Hanso lean toward an explanation that Libby was involved. Libby was seen by Hurley, another possible connection. Another thing - why would Libby agree to go to the hatch by herself? Finally, and this is the one thing I was always waiting to see addressed: when the Tailies left for the main beach, they lost that airline stewardess during a climb (right before running into Sayid). She just "disappeared." Who was the last one who actually made it up? Libby.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    "go to the hatch"

    by Phimseto

    ie - when she went to get stuff for the picnic with Hurley. Sorry I wasn't clear there.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    bearing 325 = something biblical?

    by Deadwood Dan

    i decided to check a gospel out... Mark 3:25 reads: "If a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand." Just a guess.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:57 a.m. CST

    michael predictions

    by lofe101

    walt wont want to leave unless they have vincent. they go back to the camp but hugo is already there. the gig is up. fuck you michael.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Gith - Why does the TB suck now?

    by LilOgre

    Come on man. Don't be a jackass.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:07 a.m. CST

    re. lofe101 Michael Predictions

    by SweetMonkeyCreek

    Man, I hope that's what happens. I'm itching to see some Hurley-sized justice.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    A Thought

    by Hyperimaginative

    Not sure if anyone else has mentione this, but what if Charlie wasn't just being funny with Claire at the end? It's not like him to just leave Locke and Eko behind. In addition, everyone else seems to be going on with their day. So, maybe the EM pulse/magicalLostskychangingeffect DID something to everyone and they're just conveniently forgetting what happened. Claire might be immune to the effect because she's been giving Aaron and herself injections from the Medkit that Charlie gave her in the second-to-last episode.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Membirdman

    by Motherfracker

    Henry Gale = Shallow Hal. Just a guess.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Penelope

    by MrD

  • May 25, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    After sleeping on it - Pros and Cons of Finale

    by LilOgre

    Dramatically - one of the best two hours EVER on TV. But as for info and reveals, guess we'll wait till next year. Now an inventory; Pros: 1.) The proven connection to the real world 2.) Found out what happens when the countdown gets to zero 3.) EM crashed the plane 4.) The last two minutes Cons: 1.) What the hell was the Pearl? 2.) The way NO ONE talks to each other about shared info. on the show (i.e. come on Locke - talk to Desmond about the fucking map) 3.) The entire Island was just witness to some kind of extinction event and just decides to put away the food 4.) Does anyone give a shit about Locke and Eko 5.) Jack - "Hey Michael, I thought we were going to the beach... oh wait we're in the middle of the jungle... shit we're ambushed." If this season is any kind of a guide, my guess is we will now A LOT more about "the others" and their relation to the island by Episode 3 of next season and we will never again here about that staue. But hey - thanks for a great ride Damon and Carleton, can't wait for the podcast today.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Penelope's Plan (sorry for mispost)

    by MrD

    My guess is Pen's Daddy arranged for Desmond to crash on the island to remove him from the race and keep him from his daughter. Pen was somehow informed of this. While not given the location of the Island, she knew it was the location of some EM anomaly, and hired people to look for it, in the hopes of using it to locate the island.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    having skipped to the bottom b/c of all the Lost hating

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    I don't know if somebody said this or not (or if mentioned in previous talkbacks), but it seems to me that Libby may have been a Hanso employee since we've seen her in a few different flashbacks where she had no business being. Maybe she was staking all these people out and somehow manipulated them all onto the same plane or island (who gives up their dead husbands boat??). Another thing is why did Michael expect to shoot ANAL but not Libby. It seemed like he knew who Libby really was and made a mistake and knew that he fucked up in killing her. Also, Libby mentioned being a psychiatrist or psychologist (whatever) and we know that Hanso was doing psychological experiments so it does seem plausible that she was behind the scenes. The importance of the last scene is that we now know that they are not in some sort of limbo, other dimension, snow globe, purgatory, or whatever the theories are, but instead we know they are indeed here on Earth and can be found by the outside world, leaving hope for a rescue.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Girth - OK Man

    by LilOgre

    Apologies. Yeah - I agree. Stop bitching - it was a great two hours of TV. Podcast is not out till later today. And Hugh was kind of lame. He basically denied ANY involvement with any of what was going on in the Lost TV show. He said that Joop was fine and not being abused. He also said that their WMPWD divison is where most of their money is not being spent. The way that Damon and Carleton were couching it in their last podcast was that they are trying to really make Hanso a "real world" corporation and compared it to Opus Dei in DA VINCI although I got the feeling that they were trying not to laugh. Still I thought it was pretty cool.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:21 a.m. CST

    A TV show wants to last at least 8 seasons...So...

    by Sequitur

    What exactly were you expecting them to answer?!? I'm reading you guys complaining they didn't explaine verything. Um, if they did the show would be over. Enjoy the ride and don't be impatient children.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST

    The Finale Sucked

    by Itchy

    There was what, maybe a total of three minutes of Claire in the finale. It would have been much better if the Losties made it to the Others camp in the first fourt minutes and found doors to a hatch that led to a room made up like the Newleywed Suite at the No-Tell Motel, whereupon Claire was laying spread eagled on the heart shaped bed pleasuring herself. Cut to the next two hours, which is where Kate introduces Claire to a new "magic number" - 69. Oh yeah, baby.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST

    FrodosBlueBalls

    by calami-shami

    thats it exactly. the power of that cliffhanger hasn't set in yet, I dont think. For the first time we ventured OFF the island sans flashback. Which means from here on out we could be seeing dual storylines on and off the island and possibly no more flashbacks. We could follow Mike and Walt or that Whidmore woman. Also now that the em field is gone its quite possible that Locke will be paralyzed and Rose's cancer will return... and Hurley will lose a few pounds!

  • May 25, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Quadrupletree

    by jtp8000

    I think Michelle is exactly where she wants to be- in a womans prison. I think she will be doing a lot of that thi summer

  • May 25, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Walt will not be back

    by Scotious

    It has been about 2 months in Lost time but 2 years in our time. It's one thing to explain Hurley still being fat but what about Walt aging? It's hard to hide that, especially at his age.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Michael and Walt -- they are off this show now.

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    That's the sense I got from the finale -- that their arc in this series came to a close. They're gone, but I'm betting Michael will make a surprise appearance late in the third season: He goes to Penelope Widmore to help her locate the island, in order to redeem himself. Season 2 was about the DHARMA and the Hanso Foundation. Season 3 will be about the outside world trying to find the island. ... As far as Jack, Kate and Sawyer's fates go: You know what? I don't think I give a crap about these three anymore. The Others can have them. They should have taken Charlie, too. It turns out that when Charlie is clean and sober, he's still a dickwad, but becomes a manipulative one.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Many points here, but first off, SHERMDAWG...

    by DanielKurland

    "What happened to your face?" "I fell down the stairs."...PLEASE tell me that was a subtle "Sports Night" reference. I'm surprised to see such a warm reception to the finale. I thought they built it up far too much, and nothing really happened (Yes, I know stuff did actually happen) until the final 30 min. And the only thing definitively answered was why the plane crashed. I'm not saying it wasn't cool, but it seemed more like foreplay for season three. Also, everyone go to www.evangeline-lilly.net, and watch her recent appearance on Leno where she talks about drinking urine and wearing a strap on. "How's Annie?" indeed.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Good GOD, I've lost count. . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . of how many whiny douches have complained about unanswered questions. It was the SEASON finale, not the SERIES finale. Guess what? There will be unanswered questions in the next SEASON finale. And guess what else? Everybody stating they are done watching the show are wrong, you'll be watching & whining in the talkbacks next season.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    how the hell

    by lofe101

    would penny know to look for an electromagnetic pulse? her dad has to be a part of this. i think her dad is the HIM. you cant see my daughter. fuck you. oh ya see ya on the island dick head.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    More points...

    by DanielKurland

    I am in fact not complaining that not everything was answered, but it was just the commercials billed it as if this would happen. Also, Locke and Eko can't die as they are just SUCH popular characters. If they did do this, I would be incredibly surprised, so the cliffhanger there is not too existant, but surely something big will happen there. Twin Peaks though, when you end with fucking Audrey in an exploding bank, Ben Horne getting smashed on the mantle, and putting EVERY character in danger, you did believe someone would be dying.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    To those comparing this show to 24

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    24 is structured to finish its main plot in 24-hours/episodes. Yes, there was a cliffhanger this year, but the main story was resolved. Lost isn't the same kind of show by any stretch. I think the X-Files comparisons are much better -- every couple of months, the Smoking Man would show up, Mulder would find an alien carcass of his sister's hair follicle, then he and Scully would be shot at, or the scientist that had the answers would be killed, and we'd have to wait another two months, or another season, for a few more answers.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:10 a.m. CST

    There in Middle Earth

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    Duh! When does Charlie come across the giant statue and have flashbacks to his time on the canoe?

  • May 25, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Desmond isn't dead

    by JayDiggler

    Why would next season involve Desmond's ex-girlfriend looking for him if Desmonds already dead, from a writing standpoint where would the payoff be if she found the island.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Great Finale....

    by Laza-rus

    ... and a solid two seasons. My only fear is that, as with Alias, the series seemed to jump the shark after the third run. Lost is obviously infinitely more popular than Alias, I just hope J.J. & Co. keep it on track.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Libby

    by JayDiggler

    Also what does everyone think about Libby talking to Desmond and saying her ex husband David died? Wasn't David the name of Hurley's imaginary friend?

  • May 25, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Desmond

    by Phimseto

    Incidentally, Desmond is pretty cool. I hope he is wherever Locke and Eko are, provided they are alive in some fashion.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    The four-toed foot...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Am I the only one who was thinking, jokingly, of the final scene in the original "Planet of the Apes"? I think it's the remnant of an anthromorphic animal god which was worshipped by an ancient civilization on the island. And descendants of this civilization may still be around. Perhaps Season 3 will deal with this, or maybe it will be held off until Season 4. The statue doesn't represent an actual, living being.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:22 a.m. CST

    What is worng with you people?

    by genro

    You people over reach on everything. Within the first eps of last year, a number of people called the EMP as what took down the plane - AND THE WRITERS KNOW THAT. So what did they show last night - THAT THE EMP WAS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO DO THAT. A pulse strong enough to grab a plane 30K+ miles in the sky would have killed everyone from the arythmic shock to the nervous system. But everyone survived - including Eko, Locke and Desmond. They will now be in sync with the island. As for Penelope - what the hell are you people thinking? She has the course of the race, and he never returned. Starting from the say he left, she scours for any sign of him and comes across a weather anomoly he could have hit. She hires to guys to sit in the antarctic to look for it. The false signal they recieved was the plane crash. This was not some elaborate plan by her father. It's not the X-Files. The show is about fate, not conspiracy. Fate is what Locke and Desmond were arguing about for half the show.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST

    My two cents

    by Detrius

    Now that the big electromagnet thingy has been destroyed/unplugged/changed, is Locke (assuming he's alive) going to loose the use of his legs again? Will Rose's cancer return? Also, why was Clare so lovey to Charley when he returned? In fact, why was everyone so nice and calm after the big event? Plus, what about Sayed, Jin and Sun? Are they going to follow Michael and Walt? Furthermore, what's the deal with all those pneumatic tube notebook things? Why are they just being dumped in the middle of a field like that? Man, that's good TV.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST

    genro

    by lofe101

    so how the hell would she even think of looking for an electomatic pulse if he just hit bad weather. she wouldnt know for weeks that he was even missing. so how would she even know about a cray weather anomoly and why wouldnt she just think his ship sunk then. an electrical storm in the pacific wouldnt cause an emp pulse in the artic. she knows more than it was bad weather. and another thing, so she knows he is alive, do you think that same storm would come back at the same spot and thats were he is.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    the "nobody speaks to each other" thing

    by The Selecter

    as with Charlie at the end is just the Lost equivalent to 24's "do everything in the most contrived fashion" thing. Both shows go down much easier if you just accept it. I hope we haven't seen the last of Desmond. Good riddence to repeated utterances of "...my boy!" Speaking of boobage, Kate boobage = good, Locke saggy man-boobage = bad.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Kelvin was telling the truth

    by smackfu

    I bet that pushing the button does exactly what kelvin said it does - disperses ionization. It's similar to what the Haarp array in Alaska does. Anyone who has never heard of the Haarp array, get ready to put on your tinfoil hats. It's a massive US military High Frequency antenna array setup to monitor the ionisphere, but it can also interact with and charge the ionisphere to unnatural levels. Opponents of he project (certain physicists) argue that it could be used as a weapon, and since we know so little about the ionisphere, it's quite possible that tampering with it could cause catastrophic weather phenomena or possibly dissipate\unbalance the ionisphere completely, which would fuck up our planet forever. So they really are saving the world, the Island machine is a similar array that royally fucked the ionisphere, and now the ionisphere's survival is dependant on them pushing the button every 108 minutes to disperse the building ionization and normalizing it. What happened with the sky\sound was basically an intense aurora borealis effect.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    the thing that really pisses me off...

    by chickychow

    is that i feel like now i have to go out and buy fuckin Bad Twin. Damnit, I was fine with just one shadowy mastermind (hanso) and now they gotta go and introduce this Whidmore bastard?? Twas a very good finale, but the last shot wasn't powerful enough. instead of some blond babe I wanted the final image to be something epic, revelatory (the rest of that goshdarn statue!)

  • May 25, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Oh and the Alex/Kate boob grab thing..

    by chickychow

    Noticed that immediately and must say I watched it a few more times. me likey very much! (yeah im pathetic, thanks) The look between Kate and Jack before they were bagged I interpreted as, 'If this is it, the end, I want you to know I love you.' Kate looked at Jack, not Sawyer. We know who she would choose.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Jimmy Kimmel last night, and other thoughts

    by nycman100

    Did anyone watch the interview with the Hanso guy? No real information ws given except that the Darhma Intitive was canceled back in 1987. which leads to my theory....... The others are the good guys, so who are the bad guys? My guess is the Hanso Foundation. They started the whole project then canceled it. Well I imagine that must have wrecked havoc with the people who were forming a new community there. So they are trying to protect their existence on the Island from Hanso. As far as the em pulse goes, I fiugre the whole island is like a truman show bubble that is shielded from the outside world. When the button was not pushed there was a blip on the radar showing it's location, maybe that will be good for Desomnd true love, but that also means if the Hanso Foundation lost track of them they will know where they are now as well. Just as a side note about the evil twin theory that is going on. Remember the first few episodes when Locke was showing Walt how to play othello/reversi or whatever that black and white pieced game is. Just thought that would show that the writers have had a tleast a bible for the show the whole time. From there they explore what does work and what doesn't. One last thing, if anyone says they should stop doing flashbacks, take a moment and flashback to every single show. It is a dramatic device that they have made their own and is intrical to the show. LOST FRACKIN ROCKS! It's gonna be a long summer.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Did anyone see Hugh McIntyre on Kimmel last night...

    by DanielKurland

    It wasn't that great, he basically said that the Hanso foundation has nothing to do with the fictional show Lost, and that he was honoured that a show would choose to feature them in such a prominent way. As well as that all the "Persephone" stuff on the site, is just lies. Obviously, he himself is lying, but I don't want to get into a debate over this man lying, since he isn't even a real person to begin with...

  • May 25, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Surprised No One With TIVO Saw This...

    by hipcheck13

    ...the REAL power of the island is its ability to instantaneously grow facial hair. Remember the scene where Desmond is shaving and his hatch-mate says "you shave every day?" Desmond follows him outside and 20 minutes later accidently kills him - with a full two-day whisker growth. Whoops.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    How 'bout this theory...

    by torpor_haze

    the show itself is an experiment on the general population to see we're going to tune in by stimulating our curiosity by cleverly designed plot..

  • May 25, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I've figured out Lost

    by Yogsoggoth

    it is a giant psychological test. But, the test is on the audience and not the characters. The test is to see how long we will perss the button (keep tuning in) to a show that becomes more convoluted and strained with each passing episode. For the first half of the episode, the show had me thinking "maybe this has been planned from the beginning", but the second part reaffirmed what I already though - it's being made up as they go along. Why wasn't Desmond introduced in season 1? Why wasn't the rich girlfriend introduced before the finale? If it wasn't made up on the fly, introducing key characters at the point that they are needed screams "deus ex machina". Still, most importantly, we see that Lost continues to follow the same formula. Provide answers that only lead to bigger questions. The producers promised that they would let the audience know why the plane crashed. Well, now we know, it crashed because Desmond didn't press the button. Of course, we still don't know anything about the button, the machine, the project, or the island so the explanation was meaningless. Why would the center hatch be a psychological test? Why would they create a computer program that would require a human to type in random numbers to prevent the Pulse from occuring? Why not just create a program that automatically resets the Pulse? Why pretend there is virus when there isn't? What happend to Walt's super powers? Where is Jack's zombie dad? What are the voices? How did the pirate boat get on the island? Why were Anal, Libby, and the incesto-twins even on the show since their combined value to moving the plot was zero? Why would anyone paint a map in invisible ink? Why are The Others dressing up as Hillbillies? A four toed statue? How did the small plane get from Africa to this island in teh Pacific? Why were there hieroglyphics on the countdown? Applying "Occam's Razor" (the simplest answer is usually correct), the Lost creators are just throwing weird shit at the audience to see how long they can keep them "pressing the Button". To paraphrase Locke, "we won't be free until we stop pressing the button".

  • May 25, 2006, 10:09 a.m. CST

    The Jack/Kate Look

    by exie

    Come on guys -- it was "I love you". They were about to have hoods placed over their heads and as far as they know they might never see one another again and could be killed soon. In that one look, Kate and Jack finally came out and expressed what they feel for each other and sqaushed the love triangle with Sawyer.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Does it matter if it's being made up as it goes?

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    That's the real question. I say no. I'm enjoying myself for an hour each week. I like hearing a story. Some writers plan stories out, some make them up as they go along. It's not going to make or break my day if this all ends up being made up BS with some out-of-left-field series finale. BTW, Locke was wrong about the button. They wouldn't be free -- they'd probably be dead.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Who Sez It's An EMP??

    by Deandome

    It's magnetic all right, but clearly not an EMP. Those don't really 'do' anything...they AFFECT things, but they don't crush/move/fling things. It's an event of some kind, not a pulse. And who says the Swan is destroyed...wasn't it just the hatch door...the one sitting on the ground OUTSIDE, that was flung thru the sky? I think it was magnetized during the event (the stuff BEFORE the key-turn), then when it got turned off, there was some kinda reverse-polarity thing that 'repulsed' the door up & away.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Locke was wrong about the button....

    by Yogsoggoth

    but I'm not. If we stop pressing the button, Lost would be dead. And we would be free of the BS. Oh, by the way, I just erad an article saying that a line of Lost action figures is in the works.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    anyoen expecting total answers can suck it

    by ZO

    what do u really want??? the more questions the better the show is. answer some from the past. have some more for the future. the instant gratification thing? piss off

  • May 25, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    But we would be free if we didn't press the button

    by Yogsoggoth

    We would be fere of the BS of this show and the show would be dead. I think my analogy works.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Instant gratification

    by Yogsoggoth

    I hate this "you teh sux because you want answers on this show" attitude. It has been two YEARS and there have been no answers. The producers promised answers by the end of this season and we didn't get them. Face it, we are being played. If you want to be ABCs bitch, go for it. But don't tell me to "piss off" because I am calling the network and the producers on their bullshit.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth..I had the same thoughts..but to add..

    by torpor_haze

    But I also feel that the "Lost" universe is spilling in our own reality. That thought came to me when I saw the Hanso careers commercial came on. The commercial itself was out of Lost running time. Also the "Bad Twin" book I think supports my argument. The Lost events are becoming more apparent to our reality.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by FordPerfect

    Learn to to spell before you act like a pussy.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Torpor_HAze

    by Yogsoggoth

    How so? I would love to be proven wrong.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    The statue

    by Redlegs

    Is there anyone else out there who thinks the statue thing is another big set piece? Like the hillbilly huts, it was built to fuck with people. Somewhere I

  • May 25, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST

    FordPerfect

    by Yogsoggoth

    Attack my arguments but not my spelling. If you have to launch a personal attack, I would respond "Perhaps I am a pussy but you are a pathetic lemming that has elevated a television show to a level of importance that most people reserve for their God or their politics. It is quite sad to see something that, at best, is completely inconsequential to our daily lives and, at worst, a complete waste of time has reduced reasonable human beings to a Branch Davidian cult blubbering idiots who can't defend their show through reasonable discourse. If you feel this threatened by someone questioning your favorite show, I suggest you seek immediate therapy and possible medication. P.S. The spelling mistakes were intentional to reflect the lack of cognizant discourse from people like yourself.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Toms

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    That's the real name of Zeke/Mr. Friendly (unless I heard wrong). "Tom" was the assumed name Jack's dad went under when he went to Australia. Coincidence? Red herring?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    to the idiots complaning about it being unsatisfying

    by Silver Shamrock

    if you were left completely satisfied with all your questiosn answered, would you tune in when it starts again in october or just skip it for something else?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    The show itself is the Button

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I like that theory. Locke is like the LOST viewer who believed in the series initially but became so frustrated (when he learned that pushing the button is apparently a joke) with it that he wants to see it all come to an end.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    I think I just figured out where they are going...

    by Yogsoggoth

    The Lost island is thwe lost civilization of Atlantis. And there is a bubble anomaly around the island that prevents navigation equipment from getting out or in (unless you go in one specific direction). The four-toed statue is a relic from the ancient civilization. Maybe, Atlantians were different from other humans (more advanced, from space, etc..) and had a different number of toes. The device in the hatch is a leftover piece of technology from the ancient race which bends light (or magnetism or reality) around the island to keep the island hidden from the rest of the world. The Hanso foundation discovered the island and is trying to keep it secret as they pillage secerts from this ancient advanced civilization to create new products. The virus (if there is one) cuold be what wipes out the ancient civilization. Doesn't seem any crazier than any of the other theories 've heard.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Him - for those who think Widmore is Him

    by fatsackowind

    we don't know who Him is yet. We know more about Alvar Hanso than anyone else on this island who isn't an "other." and, Alvar might not even be this Him. Kelvin didn't know who Him was, nor what he looked like. Why else would he ask Desmond if HE was Him. I imagine Him being like Naraku on Inu Yasha. the overarching puppetmaster of the series. when it all gets down to the dirty dirty, he is the one to deal with. Widmore is related to Hanso, but he is most defenitely not Him. unless he is, then i'm wrong, but Desmond knows who Widmore is... so, no big mystery solved if that's the case. i dunno. i just know that Him was not established in that season finale. Desmond, and Kelvin have recognized their ignorance. Not Henry Gale, on the other hand, has said that Him is not a forgiving man so he knows who Him is. that season finale rocked!! this island must have a crazy history dating back thousands of years.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Kimmel

    by Redlegs

    The whole thing with Jimmy Kimmel last night was about Lost spilling over into the real world. The Hanso guy - Hugh McIntyre - was basically out there saying that the Hanso Foundation has nothing to do with Lost and he is kinda pissed that the writers of Lost have chosen to make a work of fiction connected with their efforts at improving lives. He was pretty cryptic about some video that Kimmel said had been posted on the Hanso Foundation web site featuring him and a woman having sex together that wasn

  • May 25, 2006, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Bravo, DumbPunter...

    by Childe Roland

    ...on the classical analysis. I had mentioned the Penelope/Odysseus/boat connection to my decidedly sciences focused wife and she accused me of reaching (why must the engineers of the world always mock us liberal arts types?). If I'd noticed Gilgamesh's name in the crossword (good eye on you), I might've reached the same conclusion you did about Locke and Eko after the latter stared the smoke monster in the face. Very curious to see if these themes play out. I'd develop a much higher respect for Abrams if these were shown to be intentional parallels.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST

    I think some are disappointed because....

    by www.valiens.com

    It wasn't a cliffhanger ending the way the first season was, with that sense of discovery and "Shit! I have to wait 'til next season!" And they answered a lot of questions without answering anything at all. I think that magical neither here nor there quality was missing (purposely). It felt like the island was about to make logical sense and probably will next season. This was like Empire Strikes Back in a way, too: the bad guys win and there's a feeling of dread. But I feel that it needed to end this way. This whole season had a tonal change from the last and the next will be different one assumes. This evolution is the only way the show will remain fresh another season. It cannot go on forever. I hope 3's the charm. I love that this still feels like it's going somewhere after 2 seasons and not just leaving us in this spiritual nether world of all-possibility. I mean that feeling was amazing but it simply won't hold for 3 seasons. I loved the finale. I still think this is the greatest show since X-Files aaaand I'm gonna go cry in my cornflakes 'til September.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth....to elaborate a little bit..

    by torpor_haze

    At the beginning and throughout the season 1, "Lost" was pretty much structured as any other show of its type, obviously with its own plot and mysteries. But as we went through season 2, websites started popping up on the net, some fake some legit. Then a book came out supposedly written by person who was flight 815(Lost universe) which is available on Amazon(our reality). Then like last night we have Hanso Foundations commercials(Lost universe) that air like regular commercials(our reality). I'm not saying you're wrong by saying this might be some kind of "test" on us, but that there might be more to it. All of theories that were around deal specifically with the show are bases solely on characters and events within it. I think we may be on track to a final resolution that deals with those things of course but including us as viewers. Don't get me started with my even more radical idea of thinking that the Lost universe "spill" is proportional by how much we watch the show ;P.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    John Irving - Desmond Connection?

    by Rib Eye

    In an interview last year, author John Irving stated the following: "Dickens was and remains the most important author for me. I have read his books many times, and have even purposely not read one of them. I am saving it for a severe illness or a near-death experience. Something I will read when I have to despair of doing anything else. I have not read OUR MUTUAL FRIEND. That's the one I have saved." Just for the hell of it, anyone want to list any possible Lost - Irving connections? I'll start: an early novel of his was called "Setting Free The Bears."

  • May 25, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    A stab at the LOST plot

    by MrCretin

    Most of the crash survivors are 'sensitives' in a psychic way. They all received information about the island during their ordinary life from the electromagnetic energy pulses. Subconsciously, all the sensitives knew to be on the Oceanic flight that crashed. All the sensitives were somehow stimulated to interact with each other in their former lives. Some of the people on the flight would not be sensitives, which would possibly some plot developments (e.g. why were certain people and not others chosen to be taken to the Others?) This plot theory borrows from Watchmen, of which Lindelof (I think) is a big fan. What do you think?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Totally Abandoned Ideas from Season 2

    by Itchy

    Let's see ... there's Rousseau, The Black Rock, the purpose of the black smoke when "they" came, The identity of who was filling up those notebooks and when they were last being filled up, Anything having to do with why they wanted Claire's baby, and "The Caves" (did those collapse in the episode where Boone died or are they still there). I'm sure there's 100 others I forgot, but those are some of the biggies.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Lost is so "Watchmen" of television..

    by torpor_haze

    don't believe me?buy new copy of Watchment is see whose quote is on the back cover.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    "to see" i meant ..**sigh**

    by torpor_haze

  • May 25, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Hanso Careers-Hidden Code

    by nahdogg

    Imbeded in their career page are the following random letters in a different color: nslutmiemaya Any ideas?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    So, torpor, is the series finale...

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    ...going to be Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, and a few others still alive addressing the camera, smiling, and saying "Haha, suckers! You thought this crap was going somewhere?"

  • May 25, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST

    To torpor haze

    by Redlegs

    Why don't you just tell us? Isn't there enough drama around here?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:56 a.m. CST

    itchy

    by Silver Shamrock

    whats your point, you wanted all those things answered by the season finale and if they weren't they've been totally abandoned?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    nahdogg

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    It's in this talkback somewhere, but an anagram for INMATE ASYLUM/ASYLUM INMATE or SIMULATE MANY. The simulate angle might have to do with the theory of cloning and implanted memories.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Watchmen Back Cover quote..

    by torpor_haze

    "The greatest piece of popular fiction ever produced." -Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof

  • May 25, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    About Michael's rash...

    by Billyeveryteen

    It don't look too good. I had hoped they would wrap up his story, with his deserved death. Also, Jack ain't no idiot, Sayid's about to crack open a whole six-pack of whoop-ass.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Kung Fu Hustler....

    by torpor_haze

    No it's just going to be Kate... "I'll be right over baby.." :P

  • May 25, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Rib Eye

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    Owen Meaney = All the survivors were on that plane for a reason, like Owen on the bus (of course, I never read the book and am basing this off of Simon Birch, so please correct me if I'm wrong). Garp = Unhinged, lunatic group breaks off of sane movement (Others from Hanso Foundation), like the tongue cutters from the reminist movement.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:05 a.m. CST

    reminist = feminist

    by Kung Fu Hustler

  • May 25, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Who was Desmond sharing a jail cell with?

    by LilOgre

    I had read somewhere that this was an important piece of information - at least it could be a clue for Season 3. Sayid? Fake Henry? And did anyone catch that his name was Desmond DAVID HUME? Talk about modern philosophy island.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    The IMDB listing for "Len Cordova" is FAKE FAKE FAKE

    by snowpuff

    Boy, you guys are suckers. Look at the shows he was supposedly on: Out of the Woods Red Skies LAX Strong Medicine The Long Walk Home Providence Diagnosis Murder Sometimes credited as: Leonard Edelstein / Jake Leonard / Leonard Savariego Ever see actors with so many absurdly different "also known as." I can't believe how easily you guys are fooled. Some of you are stil going to argue this, but they planted a bunch of IMDB profiles just like they have planted websites.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    list

    by snowpuff

    That is, Out of the Woods, Red Skies, LAX, Strong Medicine, The Long Walk Home, Providence, Diagnosis Murder. It's a joke, kids.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    re: Totally Abandoned Ideas from Season 2

    by www.valiens.com

    I hear this all the time and I still don't get it. They aren't abandoned. The show is still going. I'm sure they'll be addressed, especialy now that the main characters won't be around at least for the beginning of Season 3.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    call me stupid

    by Bryan17

    I didn

  • May 25, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    The Others did the remaining Lostaways a favor...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    By keeping Sawyer, Kate and Jack. Sawyer is a drain on the group. Kate -- wtf has she done for the group's benefit? And she's totally unrepentent about her crime. Jack is a moron leader who has been leading the survivors astray. Locke and Eko have been pissing away time on their spiritual/destiny mumbo-jumbo. With these two gone, Charlie is relatively harmless, especially now he's finally going to get into Claire's snooch. Michael's incessant whining about a son he hardly knows -- that story is over, THANK GOODNESS. Sayid should naturally take over leading the group, with Rose as the "spiritual" one. And they got a pretty sweet yacht, and Penelope Widmore is looking for the island now. Now that all the people who were "baggage" are out of the picture, things are finally looking up for the remaining survivors of Flight 815! Maybe that was the entire twisted message of the finale: That the survivors are better off with these people gone. It sounds funny, but if you sit down and think about it, it's TRUE! "Henry" may have been right: His people (The Others) are the good guys.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Snowpuff - you're joking right?

    by LilOgre

    This Len Cordova guy was in a film that I almost saw at the Tribeca Film Festival. Doubt this was a plant: http://tinyurl.com/rak6n. Check it out. If it was then bravo.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    toes

    by Napoleon Park

    I had a theory but Prof. Pop-cult seems to have beat me to it. the four toes foot is neither a human foot or an animal paw, but an artistic interpretation of a hybrid creature: an anthropomorphization. I susspect feline, like Omaha the Cat Dancer, or an ancient Egytian Cat-Deity, which would tie in with the hyroglyhpics on the countdown meter.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    LilOgre

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    You're such an idiot. Obviously the Lost producers created a few independent movies, hired Matthew Fox to appear in them as Len Cordova, then debuted them at various film festivals. Just like the fake websites and fake commercials. I can't believe how easily you were fooled!! :P

  • May 25, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I feel like Locke now

    by snowpuff

    I don't know. I think they are fucking with us some how.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    "It" - Desmond's boat's transmitter

    by Red Herring

    Maybe turning the key shut off the electromagnetic field that was hiding the island. Maybe Penelope was able to finally detect the transmitter on Desmond's boat.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:37 a.m. CST

    testing

    by Napoleon Park

    so button pushing is real, but observing the button pushers, documenting teir activities and sending in reports was a test, with all the 'reports' files in one big junk pile? Weird.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Len Cordova is a real person

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I recognized this actor from his guest appearances on LAX. (I was one of two people in America who actually watched every episode of that series.) Still, his resemblance to Matthew Fox made the casting of him confusing. I don't think the producers did this intentionally or to purposely confuse the viewer. I think we're seeing something there that the producers themselves never saw or considered would appear confusing.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Lost Season 3 News - SciFi.com

    by zillabeast

    http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=36305

  • May 25, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Libby and the boat

    by Jaffa8

    so....Libby was connected to a boat huh? better hope that's the only boat...cause i'll take down this whole place.....fuckers (you know who you are)

  • May 25, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    4 the H8trs

    by Napoleon Park

    Next season AICN should just pick a random crapfest like "2.5 Men" or "Am I Dul?" or "Justice" so we can all just go there EVERY WEEK and post how we don't like the show, never watch it, have never watched it and are going to stop watching it unless it's exactly what we want it to be. And list specific minutae to show we have intimate knowledge of every single plot twist and character detail about some show we h8te, never watched and have stopped watching - and will stop watching next season unless it gets better as per our specifications. That would show them all how clever we are!

  • May 25, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    FIRST SEASON < SECOND SEASON

    by andenu

    there, i said it

  • May 25, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Kung Fu Hustler

    by LilOgre

    Damn. You are right. First Kimmel&#39;s interview with Hugh McIntyre and now this. They are really fucking with us now.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    &#39;Lost&#39; overnight rating: Down 20% from last year...

    by paulh

    11.4 rating, 17 share (about 18 million viewers). Do you even want to know how that abortion of a show on Fox did? A real horror show, this: 8-8:30, they got 17.6/28; 8:30-9: 20.7/31 (33m); 9-9:30: 22.6/32 (38m); 9:30-conclusion: 25.1/35 (43m). To which I say: WHY? What the fuck is it that people can&#39;t get enough of that crap? *shudders*

  • May 25, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Four-toed foot...

    by MemBirdman

    ...it&#39;s an island made of cartoon people!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    American Idol

    by Itchy

    Just more proof that the majority of Americans are fat stupid hillbillies. I mean, I do watch and enjoy Survivor for a change of pace, but freaking Karaoke ?!? I&#39;d rather eat my own barf than watch that show. Who gives a crap. As long as Lost gets enough ratings to stay on the air, that&#39;s all I care about.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Tom vs. Hurley - Battle for The Dharma Ranch

    by LilOgre

    Anyone else think Tom would have broken the ice a bit on the pier when he saw Hurley - "Hey Hugo - nice to finally meet you." Tom turns to Fake Henry, "So THIS is where my rach dressing has been going."

  • May 25, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Four-toed foot

    by Yogsoggoth

    Remember we are only seeing half the statue. I bet the other foot had 5 toes and represented the DNA hybridization of man and animal. This would explain the talking bird and the polar bear. Someone is messing with animal and human DNA.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Another anagram for NSLUTMIEMAYA

    by iontyre

    How about this one: I lament my USA

  • May 25, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Itchy...

    by Yogsoggoth

    your analysis of American Idol is spot on. I will see your barf and raise you one fork in the eye. I can&#39;t imagine wasting brain cells on the antics abunch of no talent, pop star wannabees.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Re: John Irving - Desmond Connection?

    by Mockingbird Girl

    Yes, I did read a news article earlier today that confirmed that the use of OUR MUTUAL FRIEND was an intentional nod to John Irving.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Toes and ancient civilizations...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The giant statue remnant was a sign that there was an ancient human civilization on the island a long, long, long time ago. The Hanso Foundation knows about this, and they made homages to this civilization&#39;s culture throughout the design of the DHARMA facilities. This ancient civilization knew about the island&#39;s weird magnetic energies and figured out how to harness and contain some of it. However, they might have been ultimately destroyed by the island&#39;s weird energy forces. It&#39;s from this dead civilization that the Hanso Foundation learned the inner workings of the island.

  • May 25, 2006, noon CST

    If only the wait weren&#39;t so long

    by TheFount

    I loved the finale last night, except for the part where it ended. I wanted it to keep going. I know the show has some people who really dislike it and others who have lost faith, but week after week, it amazes me. But now we have to wait all summer for a new season. Too bad, because there are so many great questions still left. http://thefount.blogspot.com/2006/05/were-good-guys-michael.html

  • May 25, 2006, noon CST

    that statue /Planet of the Apes

    by durhay

    You&#39;ve got Desmond in his flight suit transversing a strange environment, that weird soundtrack, his ship out in a lake (which in this case doesn&#39;t sink). Imagine if he went back along the beach and came across the top half of that statue. I&#39;d be willing to bet on some neck-slapping going following that reveal.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Len Cordova blew me once

    by Silver Shamrock

    definately not matthew fox, technique was different.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by FordPerfect

    Im not threatend by online posters what so ever. I just simply online post to make some sense when I read them. Also "P.S. The spelling mistakes were intentional to reflect the lack of cognizant discourse from people like yourself." Hmmm I am sure you planned it that way.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    torpor_haze

    by FordPerfect

    I agree on your Watchmen statement

  • May 25, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    So Mr. Perfect...

    by Yogsoggoth

    what exactly does "I just simply online post to make some sense when I read them" mean? If you want sense, provide some yourself.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t U Get It? There is NO LIBBY!

    by stlfilmwire

    She&#39;s a hired Dharma employee... just like that dude that trained Sayid. They all pull people in to the project. I can think of three other people that do the same thing. Can you guess who I am thinking of? If u think about it, they really stand out.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by FordPerfect

    Well I could take your approach and claim I did it on purpose, but I will just say that I made a typo. "I just simply want online posts to make some sense when I read them." That is what it should have been.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Idol: We have met the enemy, and they are us...

    by paulh

    I thought we were over this reality TV crap in the 70&#39;s (That&#39;s Incredible, Real People, Ripley&#39;s Believe it or Not). As much as I&#39;d like to see Mark Burnett deported for foisting the reality genre back on an unsuspecting populace (Survivor), the buck stops with us, the viewers. If we had rejected this flotsam and jetsam out of hand in the bud, there wouldn&#39;t have been an AI, or a Who&#39;s Your Daddy, or an America&#39;s Next Top Model or a My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss. Shame on us (not AICN TB&#39;ers, but generally) for allowing this infestation, this cancer of a TV trend to thrive when good scripted shows get steamrolled by AI.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Who was Razinski?

    by LilOgre

    Another big question that I think a lot of people are overlooking. Could have easily been Sam Toomey (the naval guy who won the 50K at the fair) or related to him.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:33 p.m. CST

    stlfilmwire....

    by DanielKurland

    List them anyway.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    filmwire, I think I know who the three are...

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    ...but why don&#39;t you confirm it for me? Thanks! :)

  • May 25, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Other possible flashbacks Libby can show up in...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    If they do a flashback episode on Fake Henry. Another character for flashbacking which could have Libby show up in is Alex&#39;s. And if they ever do a flashback episode on Vincent, Libby could show up in that when he was a puppy.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    The 3

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    Jack&#39;s dad has to be one. Brought Jack and AnaL to Australia and the fatal flight. Possibly Claire&#39;s father, though I doubt it. Robert Patrick&#39;s character (is he the one who led Sawyer to Australia?). Locke&#39;s "father."

  • May 25, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    .. and in a flashback Libby has the pear dream again.

    by durhay

  • May 25, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Mr. Perfect

    by Yogsoggoth

    Sweet Jesus arguing with you is as pointless as voting Democrat on a Diebold voting machine. Okay, you win. I can&#39;t spell. I am a highschool drop-out. I bow down to your obvious mental superiority (your nanny nanny boo boo defense is too sophisticated forany attack from my stunted intellect). You are truly an alpha male (a pitbull among shih-tzus). You are the Mr. Ecko (to my Shannon) of the talkback board. You win. I bow down and grovel at the feet of a true master of whit.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Oops.

    by Yogsoggoth

    it&#39;s wit. I guess I really can&#39;t spell.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    what if the statue had three toes by mistake

    by Guerilla_Films

    one of them fell off, or broke...or do you all think that the Venus di Milo is an alien too?

  • May 25, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST

    DUMBPUNTER

    by MR INBETWEEN

    Nice going! Something to think about...all summer long...

  • May 25, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    eight toes = eight fingers

    by Marduk

    Such a race would have naturally developed an base-8 number system. The Dharma logo has eight sides. Coincidence or CONSPIRACY? Further, four-toed biped humanoids could not have evolved from earth-based monkey stock. Chariots of the Gods man...Chariots of the Gods. [tokes/coughs]

  • May 25, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by FordPerfect

    You don&#39;t have to Mr. me but if you want to that is fine, and everything is cool man, chill out! Everything is alright, I am not trying to argue, just making a point, and I did.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST

    And the point was....

    by Yogsoggoth

    you don&#39;t appreciate / see satire? Or you really, honestly think that I can&#39;t spell?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by Ribbons

    I liked what you had to say about people&#39;s attitudes towards watching this show, but I disagree with you as far as the "no answers" thing goes. I&#39;ll try to explain why, and if you&#39;re still around, a rebuttal is certainly welcome. What was answered last night: who the artist of the blacklight diagram in Swan Station was (Kelvin and his red herring of a former partner); how the plane crashed (the island&#39;s electromagnetic properties were controlled by the button. Desmond&#39;s not pushing it fried the plane&#39;s equipment or something that probably doesn&#39;t make scientific sense); what the button does (see above); where Desmond went and how he got to the island; what the light coming out of the hatch was; whether Michael got Walt back (yes, yes he did). Now it didn&#39;t answer further questions about the island such as "what&#39;s the deal with the island?" or "why the hell was Kelvin making a blacklight diagram in the first place?", but those types of questions weren&#39;t necessarily promised. I do believe an investment in this show will (probably) eventually answer most of the questions you&#39;re looking for, but you have to decide for yourself whether or not it&#39;s worth it.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:08 p.m. CST

    it&#39;s all shrewd business ...

    by fenario80

    Show was fun last night, and explained enough for now to keep me happy, but I really am getting too jaded to enjoy anything anymore: like the fact that the finale leaves EVERY major character either offstage or in major jeopardy, and they&#39;ve already announced that the start of next season will deal mostly with The Others. What does this accomplish? Well, it keeps the audience guessing, sure, but mostly it insures that there won&#39;t be any grandstanding or threats that the "stars" won&#39;t come back unless they get more money. It&#39;s the Dick Wolf model: "the show&#39;s the star; actors are always replaceable." Still, I&#39;ll be back in the fall for more of this foolishness.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Dharma Agents

    by Heisenberg85

    Hmm, well, I think the psychic qualifies, he got both Claire and Eko on the plane. Perhaps Walt&#39;s stepdad as well. I&#39;m just guessing here though.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Yogsoggoth

    by FordPerfect

    Make sense if your going to be angry

  • May 25, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Answers....

    by vinceklortho

    I don&#39;t know what all the fuss is about with answers, but I feel that they simply answered the questions that have been plaguing fans the whole season and then gave us new questions for the next season. It&#39;s a tv show and as far as a television show that IS NOT ENDING, but heading into it&#39;s third season, they did a masterful job at ending this season. Love it or hate it, I think this season will be remembered a long time from now. Don&#39;t all the best television shows peak around the 2nd or 3rd season? Let&#39;s hope the 3rd season can&#39;t still deliver the goods, because our expectations have been considerably raised with these past two seasons. So, I&#39;ll be back next season, nerds, and I predict more and more frustration. You can never live up to geeks expectations...let&#39;s just call it the "Prequel Curse". Enjoy this show while you can...

  • May 25, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Huh?

    by Mister Man

    "If we had rejected this flotsam and jetsam out of hand in the bud"??????? "Rejected this out of hand" AND "nipped it in the bud"?

  • May 25, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Not a geek, here, Vince

    by Mister Man

    It&#39;s the nerds THIS finale was catering TO. I specifically checked in here to see how it played, and apparently not as "ass-kicking" as Abrams claimed. I watched it a second time, to be fair, and it played even less effectively. It reminds me of the "Risk" game all the virgins played in college.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    IA!! YOSOTHOTH !!! IA!

    by El Borak

  • May 25, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    sorry, meant...

    by El Borak

    IA! YOgSOTHOTH!!!! IA!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST

    for those pissed about hurley..

    by El Borak

    he didn&#39;t react agressively, but he will.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Using the same theatrics as BLAIR WITCH

    by bahamutt68

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2187395164361956437&q=dharma to make it seem real

  • May 25, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Cordova cast for his strong resemblance to Fox

    by Regis Travolta

    He will be revealed to be Jack&#39;s step-brother or possibly his twin. Some twins are not identical but super similar in facial structure. All in all a fantastic season finale. Lost will easily go 7 seasons ABC sees nothing but dollar signs they probably would like it to go 10 seasons. Abrams said 5 seasons but that&#39;s more of a contract renewal ploy to get more money for himself and everybody else. This was brilliant television. Complainers and whiners really have no grasp of what&#39;s good and what&#39;s bad. You guys should have watched American Idol instead it&#39;s three times as popular with three times the audience so go with the majority next season you won&#39;t have to think nearly as much just be a couch potato and watch a stupid singing show made by and for idiots.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    ALSO i wasn&#39;t pissed ...

    by El Borak

    at how the show, just PISSED AT HOW FRUSTRATED I AM! I WANT TO KNOW! and that is done by a great show. there is a difference.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    ... that fucking neutron bomb or whatever it was explains what Jack saw in the finale of the first season when he looked out the plane&#39;s window and saw the weird, white flash below the plane right before everything went haywire. Except... it doesn&#39;t explain why the plane was already waaaaay off course. Remember... the pilot said that the plane was already waaaay off course because of some kind of radar malfunction.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t you get it...

    by Nairb The Movie

    The button isn&#39;t the experiment. The show is. We are the subjects. We are being experimented on!!! AHHHHHHHH!

  • May 25, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Itchy & Yogsoggoth

    by Katya

    lmfao!! I too hate the pop music dreck that is American Idol -- I&#39;m at work and you made me laugh out loud! stop!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Hanslo Foundation

    by jrob529

    Organ Courier The successful applicant will combine not only a working knowledge of tissue-transplantation procedures and the latest pharmaceutical agents involved in this growing field, but also an ability for high-speed travel, diplomacy and an extensive knowledge of transit restrictions and regulations as well as traffic laws around the world. Fluency in at least five languages including French, German, Russian and Chinese is crucial - as is a willingness to achieve fluency in sub-saharan regional and tribal dialects. Knowledge of martial arts, self-defense and extensive weapons training is essential, but applicants willing to receive training in these areas will receive due consideration.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    bahamutt68

    by zacdilone

    I&#39;m pretty sure that video was proven to be fake.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Hanso Foundation

    by jrob529

    what does everyone think of the website? www.hansocareers.com Very nice.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hurley and the Hatches

    by FordPerfect

    What is going to happen when Hurley comes back without Jack, Kate or Sawyer? Will Sayid do what he needs to do and organize a search crew? Now that we know the "Door" Hatch isn&#39;t real. How many Hatches are left? Swan, Pearl, Flame, Arrow, Cadacus (Or Staff) So we 1 left. What could it be? Is it the key hatch?

  • May 25, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    GirthFerguson...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Jack saw that white flash in the pilot? Wow. My memory IS getting bad. But, what else doesn&#39;t make sense? I&#39;m pretty sure I remember a scene where Jack in on the plane and he looks out his window and sees a strange, white flash right below the plane and right before the plane starts to shake and break apart. Am I wrong? I&#39;ll have to pull out my DVDs and check it out.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    El Borak

    by Yogsoggoth

    About time someone figured made the connection.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Ribbons is spot-on about this show

    by white owl

    That is exactly how I feel about all of this. I am definately invested in this show long-term and I know that with answers come more questions, it&#39;s a fact of television. Great television like this leaves our minds booming with crazy thoughts and shit, all the characters were excellent in this finale. I&#39;m seeing the show possible going five to six seasons max, not sure if they can keep up the tension and mystery so long. Next season is gonna be about love? And the Others? Here&#39;s my prediction: If Eko can survive a fireball like he did, I&#39;m sure he survived that EMP-type shit in the end, also Locke will come out of this ok. Desmond.. not so sure. Still not sure what to think about the Jack twin calling Desmond&#39;s ex telling her "we found it". Sucks we gotta wait so long.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    RISK?

    by Lain Of The Net

    I remember that...a friend of mine dug out one of those games during an excavation in his dorm room. I like LOST and I like that it is put together like a SF -Mystery. If I wanted predictable stuff I would watch Jeopardy. If I wanted to really waste my time I would watch any of the endless "reality" programs of bad singers or over hormoned underfed bimbettes putting their lip gloss on. I like the fact that for an hour or so a week I get to see something that takes my mind of my own shit (or the shit that TV tries to make mine) that I don&#39;t have to pay for. I do not believe in cable. Most of my entertainment therefore is that which I pick out and buy for myself or that which occurs in a big room with a bunch of other people and a screen. I find it amazing that what amounts to infomercials can be so interesting to some of you. I really don&#39;t mind things like "Apollo" chocolate bars. You can bet it all means something when a program goes out of it&#39;s way to avoid product placement (think about the times we live in) by substituting something weird. Good catch there about the Odyssey... reading does count for something... good writers learn to write because they read. Readers appreciate good writing because they read a lot. I like the twin thing. JJ infringes on the "trek" mirror universe and Paramount makes him do a movie for them. As if. One of the big things about the finale I liked was the book and the saving of it until a moment of deep despair or a moment when there is nothing to look forward to. I think some of you have been there. Personally I know what it is like to have nothing to look forward to. Funny world we live in that things such as TV programs become so important to us. At any rate ... it is beyond me why any of you who dislike this show so much even bother to come onto this site. Oh wait I get it... past grudges with other posters or maybe just because you can. Go enjoy your summers while you still have some to enjoy. Oh and Michael is slime - sorry ...in the name of "child" does not excuse murder.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Disappointed

    by Ribbons

    I personally preferred the season 1 finale much, much more. I&#39;d defend this episode against people who complain that it didn&#39;t answer anything; it answered quite a bit, if you ask me. In some ways I feel really bad for the writers, because they specifically tried to make this finale more information-oriented after all the griping about what a rip-off last season was, and it still wasn&#39;t enough information for people. I pretty much wish they hadn&#39;t listened to these complaints in the first place. The rate at which answers are revealed shouldn&#39;t really be a problem. Anyone who was around for the TalkBacks when the show first began should know what I mean: half-baked theories and people looking for clues for those theories were everywhere, even though all we really knew was that an invisible monster was on the island and a guy in a wheelchair could walk again. Who the fuck cares? Sit back and enjoy the show. But that&#39;s hardly possible anymore, because the characters have become increasingly erratic and unlikeable, and their decisions on the show don&#39;t happen in an organic way. Where was the pathos in last night&#39;s episode? Michael getting Walt back? Desmond sacrificing himself by doing something to the hatch that I still don&#39;t understand? Locke and Eko possibly being dead and nobody seeming to care? Instead of character, we get plot, and we get answers. But that&#39;s largely unsatisfying, because they&#39;re answers that you would have been able to figure out anyway. Who painted the map on the door? The only other inhabitants of the hatch we knew about. What made the plane crash? The crazy electromagnet in the hatch. Does the button work (even though we already saw Desmond crash the fucking plane)? Yes. Did Walt grow? A little. They even adopted a more traditional TV cliffhanger by ending the episode with something completely unexpected. I liked last year&#39;s better because they&#39;d been trying to get into the hatch for weeks [days] and didn&#39;t even get to before the credits rolled; it made you feel (or it made me feel) like the show wasn&#39;t about the answers. And it wasn&#39;t. I still contend that the montage of all the main characters (and Arzt) boarding the plane at the end was the best scene in that episode, because it was a sympathetic look at the Losties before they were lost, juxtaposed nicely with how far they&#39;d come since then, and served as nice a bookend to the season as you could ask for. Or what about Michael and Sawyer singing Bob Marley? But I bet you that if last season were like this season, the episode would end with us seeing Desmond inside the hatch and those scenes probably not even existing. Because it&#39;s all about the information! It&#39;s so fascinating to watch poorly-kept secrets be revealed. I didn&#39;t hate the episode, and I actually do think the writers know where they&#39;re going, but I wish that they&#39;d get there a different way.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    did mathew fox spend several years in brazil/portugal?

    by punto

    because the guy at the en speaks pretty good portuguese.. not that bullshit &#39;movie foreign language&#39; you hear all the time on Alias (thank god for the subtitles on that episode that took place in argentina), I think he was a native. They also talk about getting a false alarm before, and they&#39;re obviously on the north/south pole, so they&#39;re probably looking for some big electromagnetic event (you don&#39;t need to go to the south pole to track a boat). And didn&#39;t locke say something about a compass that was broken at one point? maybe that&#39;s why desmond couldn&#39;t leave.. the compass always points to the island, so going west is like going around it all the time.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by Ribbons

    ...if anyone vehemently disagrees with me, I&#39;d appreciate reasons and, like, civility and shit, not posts of the "fuck you, you mothereffing piece of bleepity-bleep" variety.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Punto

    by esque

    Even if Desmond&#39;s compass always pointed towards the island, you&#39;d think an experienced sailor would notice the sun being on the wrong side of him in the last half of the trip.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    FordPerfect

    by Ribbons

    Technically I think there are actually two hatches left, since there were supposed to be six besides for the question mark in the middle of the island.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    GirthFerguson...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Dang! I must rewatch my DVDs and find that moment that I&#39;m thinking of. Does anyone else remember that moment? Right before the plane starts to shake and break apart... someone looks out their window and down and sees a white flash. I thought it happened in Exodus part 1 or 2 of the first season.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by FordPerfect

    You might be on to something there. I forgot about that. Then there are 2 left? I wonder whats in them, and what did they study?

  • May 25, 2006, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Michael & Walt

    by Katya

    I don&#39;t think this has been mentioned, but I got the impression that Fake Henry giving them that specific heading was some sort of special door to the outside -- the only way to get away from the island. the thing is, I don&#39;t think they&#39;ll realise it and take it. I don&#39;t think Walt will leave without Vincent. and that also implies that the Other know how to get away, they just choose not to -- for an as yet unknown reason. also - the Kate/Jack look didn&#39;t seem at all like "I love you" to me or anything so sentimental. it seemed more definite - like a signal that they are going to have to resort to Plan B (Sayid knows about it?) and that it was a double fake all along. once Walt had been given back the Plan could go into action. I don&#39;t know though, I&#39;m going to have to watch it again...

  • May 25, 2006, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Ribbons

    by Kung Fu Hustler

    I agree and disagree. The scene of the raft, with Walt being taken away and Michael powerless to stop it, was heartbreaking. Walt begging his father to save him was heartbreaking. But then the writers resolved the story in an illogical, unemotional way. How the fuck can you make the viewer hate someone for trying to rescue their kidnapped son? It&#39;s difficult, but they managed. Some of the other plot stuff I appreciated, and the ending was a great way to expand the Lost universe and tie it into reality. I&#39;m now more invested in these characters because there seems to be a way off the island and the hope of rescue.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    WHAT AND WHERE IS THE FUCKING MONSTER THING?

    by KongMonkey

    Thats my only question and the only real thing that dragged me into watching this show. Seeing the pilot mangled in the tree tops at the end of show 1 drug me in. What is the monster? Do remember it isn&#39;t simply nothing, CAUSE LOCKE SAW IT! What the fuck did he see that "woke him up" to the island being magic or some shit? And where is it now? My theory is its something along the lines of that invisible lion thing from "Forbidden Planet." A relic creation of the lost civilization of Atlantis or some shit. That four toed foot had, if I recall, the shin straps typical of old roman footwear and so on. The old dude from the flashbacks in the hatch said the electromagnetic stuff had something to do with nature. Perhaps the station was built by the hanso people to control what was already a powerful magnetic field of some kind that destroyed old atlantis.....ah hell I&#39;m through trying to figure it all out. I&#39;ll just wait til season three to see what happens.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST

    ribbons...

    by nushustu

    fuck you. No, I&#39;m just kidding. I am in near total agreement with you that I didn&#39;t care one whit last night about any one of those characters. On the other hand, it is nice to get some (fairly) definitive answers about particular questions. Because part of the issue I have with the show is, sometimes I think that everyone is lying to everyone all the time: Desmond, Henry Gale, Jack, Locke, Eko, Michael, everybody. It makes me crazy because I have no idea what to believe, unless it happens on the screen. Every story that everyone tells seems like a lie sometimes, and that just drives me nuts. On the other hand, you are right that last night was the most anti-climactic reunion of Michael and Walt I could imagine. It was considerably better last week, when Michael was a prisoner. Plus it makes no sense to me that Charley can be so nonchalant about what just occurred, as well as how EVERYONE - including Henry - can be so nonchalant about the big light-and-sounds thing that happened. I would have messed my drawers and run for cover if that had happened. The writers had everyone singing Kumbaiyah later that night. Altogether, I love the show, and I did really enjoy last night&#39;s ep, but the writers have to find a way to move their plot forward while having the characters stay in, um, character. Otherwise, I&#39;m going to just go back and watch old X-Files or Twin Peaks, or some other show with messed-up plots instead.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    They are in the SAVAGE LANDS!

    by JCubedz

    Serious, the savage lands from the x-men comic. Which was in the Arctic, that would explain why there are people searching for the island stationed maybe in the arctic?? The savage land wasnt an island but it had a lush jungle and strange beasts, sound familair? The strange electromagnetic properties of the island allow it to shield its self from the cold and allow the lush vegitation to grow, and also makes it so it can not be easily found like the savage lands!

  • May 25, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Good Call On Desmond David "Hume"

    by _Maltheus_

    Especially since Hume&#39;s whole thing was about not being able to prove anything or even trust your own memories. Is the button real of isn&#39;t it? I remember an anecdote about Hume where he was asked on his death bed, "if you can&#39;t trust your senses or even your own memories, what do you trust", Hume&#39;s answer was "instinct."

  • May 25, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Libby&#39;s David and Hurley&#39;s David

    by _Maltheus_

    We booked a conference room here at work to discuss this one. They must be related. Was imaginary Dave really based off of Hurley&#39;s friend who died or is he just (re)imagining the guy who use to visit Libby in the hospital (presumably)?

  • May 25, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    So is this atlantis?

    by _Maltheus_

    Or are we only being led to believe that? A giant Greek like foot would be expected on an island that was "lost." Someone had suggested that it was fake, and part of me is leaning in that direction. When the orientation video went over the scientists who were brought to the island (zoologists, psychologists, etc) they didn&#39;t mention historians or archaeologists. If the foot were real, you&#39;d figure they&#39;d be at the top of the list. Still it was really cool (that statue must have been freakin&#39; huge if real) and why fake something like that? ......... As for the quality of the ep, I hated last season&#39;s finale (it completely abused the cliffhanger principle), but this one was near perfect. A bit predictable perhaps, but it had the perfect blend of answering some questions while creating new ones. That&#39;s not a flaw, that&#39;s what keeps a good TV show going. If you didn&#39;t like this ep, you really, really need to give up on the show. You have no experience with "arc&#39;ed" TV shows and you will never like it.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST

    What we know and can infer

    by The Gipper

    Okay, we know the rest of the world still exists outside of the island (see the end scenes with the two guys stationed at the facility and the one with Penny.) Penny has been searching for Desmond and has the financial resources to do so. She must know what to have her team look for (the electromagnetic pulse). Why did Desmond&#39;s boat (and the raft they built last season) both wind back up at the island? Magenetic forces screwed up the compasses (see the season 1 episode where the compass showed the sun wasn&#39;t setting in the west) AND the ocean currents surrounding the island bring everyone back. That is also why they told Michael to take the boat out at a specific heading (wouldn&#39;t have to rely upon a compass and would be able to thread the strong currents surrounding the island.) My prediction, Penny finds Michael next season and she gets closer to finding Desmond. But will Desmond be alive? I agree with the reason why the four were chosen by The Others -- they all saw things and they are conducting scientific experiments.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Here&#39;s a tip for the haters: DON&#39;T WATCH THE PROMOS

    by minderbinder

    Hell, it&#39;s a good tip for anyone. They give away too much and overpromise. Seriously, people on here complaining that the promos said the episode would answer every last question and cure cancer? So the guys in the ABC promo department are a bunch of douchebags, that&#39;s no reason to bitch about the content of the show. I thought it was a great episode and when all was said and done, a great season. For those comparing to 24, I&#39;d recommend looking at season 2 of that show again and seeing how bad it was, this completely blew it away. It&#39;s funny to read this TB, half the people love it, and half say it was the worst two hours of TV ever made. Yet the main complaint seems to be I WANT MORE, they didn&#39;t give us enough (or they gave us plenty, but created a bunch of new questions).

  • May 25, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    arent they in the pacific?

    by calami-shami

    so wouldnt that blow the whole atlantis theory?

  • May 25, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST

    There must be a pony in here somewhere.

    by snowpuff

    First, I just want to ask: how do the Others go home when Michael just took their ferry? Anyone know? I&#39;m pretty jaded on this show. I am a very uncommitted viewer that tends to watch about half of the season - the first five episodes and the last five. The publicity for next season makes me groan - it sounds like more ways to keep the viewers busy and at bay, not really refreshing the story or maturing it. I would disagree with the poster who compared this to Dick Wolf&#39;s philosophy about not being character heavy... this show is all character. That&#39;s why we watch it. The casting is fun. Hurley, Locke, Claire, Eko, Libby, Sayid... fun characters. I no longer believe there&#39;s any point analyzing the mystery. It&#39;s getting to the point of "there must be a pony in here somewhere" for the producers. They just keep adding more and more ingredients... ...the real evidence of the problem is how many elements are being abandoned. The smoke monsters, the black and white stones, the creature... many of these will be resolved in a few lines someday in a season or series finale. They&#39;re always moving forward, because they need to present new characters, settings and conflicts... because they can&#39;t resolve the old ones. I agree with many other posters that you really just have to enjoy the show or not.

  • May 25, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Pacific Atlantis

    by _Maltheus_

    I suppose anything is possible on a show like this. Maybe it&#39;s an EM pulse thing. Maybe the plane got a lot further off course than we might suppose. I also don&#39;t think the Greeks really knew about the Pacific. They probably thought the only ocean was the atlantic. I&#39;m not saying for sure it is Atlantis, but what Pacific island would have that style of statue? If Atlantis got "lost" in the first place, maybe it moves. Or most likely, it&#39;s a red herring from the producers.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Brilliant finale.

    by a goonie

    Sweet fucking shit, how I loved last night&#39;s finale. I was a huge Lost fan in S1 that was pretty disappointed by the first finale and then went on to hate the explanations provided in the early episodes of S2. I stuck around for a short bit, then gave up. For the middle portion of the season, I still read spoilers (obviously, I was still interested), but I couldn&#39;t bring myself to put it back on my regular viewing schedule. Finally, I started getting back into the show once things began to get interesting again near the end of the season. And so, after getting burned with the finale last season, I went into last night&#39;s second finale with relatively low expectations. And I was absolutely fucking floored. I loved practically every second of it. Desmond can&#39;t leave the island after sailing for two-and-a-half weeks! There&#39;s a big four-toed statue on the island! "Henry Gale" is somewhat in charge of The Others (or at least, more so than Zeke and co.)! If you don&#39;t push the button, something does actually happen! Something pretty fucking badass, too! Desmond was responsible for crashing Oceanic flight 815 because he was busy off killing his buddy Kelvin! The hatch (and potentially Desmond, Eko, and Locke) is destroyed! Penny Widmore has tasked a couple of dudes to look for Desmond/the island! Holy fuckbags! There was almost too much cool in this finale. I felt that tons of questions were answered and I was extremely satisfied with the way those answers were delivered. Sure, there are lots more questions raised, but that&#39;s to be expected. And this time, the new questions are damn fun! Instead of the questions raised in last season&#39;s finale, which were essentially: why do The Others look like scraggly fisherman and, gee, so like, what&#39;s in that fucking hatch anyway? I had a blast with this episode and now my interest in the show has been renewed. Can&#39;t wait for next season.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Not sure I buy the twin thing.

    by minderbinder

    First off, Libby doesn&#39;t have a twin, that WAS Libby. I do like the theory of her being like the psychic, someone who sets people up to end up on the island, although that doesn&#39;t make sense with her being on the plane (unless she was an other and was on the island first). Much has been made of Joe Inman versus Kelvin Inman...but I went back and watched the Said flashback, and I don&#39;t think his name was ever mentioned. Where did "Joe Inman" come from, if it only appeared in an ABC press release, I wouldn&#39;t say it&#39;s canon. Is there anything in the shows themselves that would imply he was a twin and not the same guy? I think half the complaints come from people not paying attention. Kelvin said that the key would blow up the station, although he could have been lying. Sayid ended up going to a bogus location, he was set up by the others and couldn&#39;t find Jack to help out, probably continued around the island or turned back. Charlie I think was either zonked out by the experience, or pissed off that Locke and Ecko almost got him killed. I think that at least one of them will survive, the first rule of TV cliffhangers is Habeas Corpus. If you don&#39;t see a body, they&#39;re probably not dead. That said, Desmond had no way of getting away, if it was a real explosion, he&#39;d be toast...although Kelvin may have been lying and it could have been an EMP instead. Anyone else wonder if the plane didn&#39;t have its gear scrambled, but instead was actually pulled out of the sky and torn apart by a giant magnet? And did anyone else make the call on seeing the boat&#39;s name that it was named after Liddy?

  • May 25, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Who got shot???

    by MrCretin

    Don&#39;t think this has been discussed yet. Anyone notice that they didn&#39;t show the face of the Other that got shot? I believe that if they turned him over we would have seen...the guy from the Dharma orientation video!

  • May 25, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Libby could be short for Elizabeth...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    The twin thing is kinda ridiculous. God, I still can&#39;t get over it, my mouth was literally dropped for the entire last 15 minutes. Does anyone have the ratings breakdown for the last hour (when it wasn&#39;t up against American Idol)? Hopefully it&#39;ll be easier to keep people interested next year when the episodes are all in a row... And damn that Charlie statue looks realistic, I mean, good Lord. I hope the real ones look half that good...

  • May 25, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Lost rocked

    by Jack Burton

    That was a great finale to an awesome season. It meandered at times but overall Season 2 was highly satisfying. For once I think I actually am starting to have an idea what is going on with the island. The single best non-Sawyer line of the season was Locke&#39;s: "I was wrong". Man this was a great year for sci-fi/thriller television. Bring on October. BTW, I don&#39;t think anyone died when the bunker went boom. I don&#39;t even think it went boom at all. Loud whining noise and white sky notwithstanding, we never saw an explosion. The hatch door landing near Bernard could have been caused by the big magnet suddenly reversing direction and repelling objects. That&#39;s my theory for now at least. I&#39;m sure Desmond is alive, no way he&#39;s getting one flashback then RIP.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I So Wanted Sayid....

    by delwin

    To blow some people away, even though we all knew no one was in the camp, I still wanted him to go all psycho on someone!

  • May 25, 2006, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I was really interested in Desmond&#39;s flashback...

    by vinceklortho

    and thought the dude that played him did a fantastic job. You know how most of the flashbacks seemed to get shorter and were less enthralling during this season? This one was very good and it seemed to catch everything up. Some poster noted above that all the flashbacks have now seem to come full circle, as if there is no past, only present for the Losties. So, I&#39;m assuming we get Others flashbacks for Season 3 or...just have parallel plotlines within each episodes of everyone that is split up? I.E., people that are back at camp, the Others and Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Michael & Walt, and also the possible new narrative of Desmond&#39;s girlfriend trying to locate the island?

  • May 25, 2006, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Please no Atlantis connexion!

    by Karate Snoopy

    Are they trying to tie in some lost civilization crap now, with that statue? Some people on here have commented about ancient tech that some lost civilization knew about, like the magnetic field, but if these losties are just hanging around on Atlantis, it&#39;s going to suck big time, worse than Stargate Atlantis (and that&#39;s saying a lot!). I am glad to be shot of Michael and Walt. the casting budget must have dried up when they were casting those parts, because those "actors" suck nuts. And they can keep killing off characters, that suits me fine. Either give the characters something cool to do, or waste them. Why have Sun and Jin doing nothing but smiling and fishing? Fucking boring, that! Give charlie some real shit to do. Like, start with him doing claire. and please use bernard and rose as firewood.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    HANSO Recruiters

    by DarthGreenspawn

    Libby-Hurley, Desmond........ Jack&#39;s Dad- Jack, Sawyer, AnaL........... Locke&#39;s BOSS @ the box factory- Locke, Hurley(again?) Who knows?

  • May 25, 2006, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Agreed about Desmond

    by chickychow

    His flashbacks were easliy the best all season, and indeed Cusick was pretty great. Hope he isn&#39;t dead (I doubt he is, especially if his honey is a new character)... Lindelof and Cuse have said next season is Others-heavy, meaning we&#39;ll be getting backstories for "Henry," Tom, Ms. Klugh and hopefully Alvar and Widmore...

  • May 25, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST

    One thing is for sure...

    by McCroskey

    ...and that is that Jack and the gang should really stop taking guns with them when they go out into the island, because they don&#39;t ever do them a damn bit of good. All they ever manage to do is lose them. Do the producers have something against a competent use of guns by the good guys?

  • May 25, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    magnetism . . .

    by pewterschmidt

    I assume that the plane was brought down by having its electronics messed up or fried by the EM pulse, not because of the metal in the plane itself. However, don&#39;t the boats we&#39;ve seen so far all have some amount of metal in them? (Even if the hull is wood, the engine and fittings would be metal.) The magnetism could slowly pull the boats toward the island. None of the boats after all is large or powerful enough to overcome the magnetism (certainly a sailboat couldn&#39;t.)

  • May 25, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST

    McCroskey

    by chrth

    The Others ARE the Good Guys, and they use guns competently!

  • May 25, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Katya and Plan B

    by McCroskey

    The look Kate and Sawyer should have given Jack was one that said &#39;I can&#39;t believe you led us into this you asshole&#39; and then they should have given themselves a look that said &#39;I can&#39;t believe we were stupid enough to go along in the first place, and then continue once Michael&#39;s treachery was revealed.&#39; But anyway, it would be nice if next season does reveal a plan B, and for once the castaways outwit the Others. Otherwise, they have completely ruined the Jack character in how inexplicably stupid he has become, and they have undermined Kate and Sawyer as well in having them go along. I understand that their capture for plot and dramatic purposes, but couldn&#39;t the writers have come up with a way for them to be captured that didn&#39;t make them all look like gullible dumbasses?

  • May 25, 2006, 7:37 p.m. CST

    ? about the numbers versus the systemtermination switch

    by McCroskey

    What was the difference between putting the numbers into the system versus terminating the system as Desmond finally did?

  • May 25, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    The plane was brought down by the &#39;smoke-monster&#39;

    by performingmonkey

    I still firmly believe that. Although the smoke-monster will somehow be controlled by the electro-magnetism of the island. So when Desmond didn&#39;t press the button this somehow allowed the smoke-monster to escape the confines of the island and move to the nearest metal object, the plane. Something like that anyway. Ecko, Locke and Desmond should all be alive. It makes no sense to kill Desmond after they just brought in his love as a character. Her search for him would already be meaningless. We can assume we&#39;ll be seeing her in real-time off the island in season 3. And Jack&#39;s evil Russian twin...

  • May 25, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    ?

    by McCroskey

    By which I mean; having now terminated the system, does the island no longer have a build-up of electromagnetic energy?

  • May 25, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The Balloon

    by TheEngwisher

    this was probably already said, but has anybody seen a possible connection with penny searching for desmond i.e. electromagnetic anomolies and the real henry gale&#39;s balloon being owned by widmore labs? was he also part of her searh??

  • May 25, 2006, 7:43 p.m. CST

    McCroskey

    by Symposium

    One lasted an entire season and the other lasted part of an episode.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I still think the Island is the same one

    by MrD

    From the end of Deep Rising. Mark my words, it&#39;s only a matter of time before we find Treat Williams and Famke Janssen running through the jungle, being chased by giant sea slugs.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    The beauty and agony of the mystery...

    by new alien

    I must say the season end drew me in. Like with all of LOST a good show causes much discussion. Some interesting and some well... The journey is interesting so far but like all mysterious journeys will the reveal be worth it. I love shows/films with these kind of adventures there are many like PLANET OF THE APES, THE VILLAGE, UNBREAKABLE, TWIN PEAKS, THE X-FILES, etc. Many of these stories had mysteries the viewer got interested in and wanted to know where it was heading. Sometimes the pay off was a muddled mess and sometimes it was wow that was interesting. That is the damn tricky thing about these type of stories. I love the slow reveal of these types of elements in a story such as this. You want to know what is the deal with the statue, the pile of notebooks, yet you might not like the answer. You want the mystery to continue as that is the interesting part. Yes shows like these can be tricky. I think humans love a world where not every element is explained or revealed. We have elements like the pryamids, Bermuda Triagle, UFOs, Bigfoot, etc. in our own reality. A skeptic will say all of those things are hogwash. Yet I love every story of a lake monster and the feeling it gives. Video&#39;s of UFOs over Mexico, etc. Yet one day if all those things are revealed to whatever they may or may not be some of the mystery of life is taken away. It seemed like X-FILES had a touch of that problem. Are the aliens real or a government mutation experiment. It is fun to set up the elements but payoff can be a bitch. I love the LOST stories so far. Part of me doesn&#39;t always envy the writers trying to figure out where it is all going. But hey they may have some great solid ideas. Like a mentioned a fun show like this will spark your imagination. Look at all the theories people have had on what this is all about. As much as I know most would hate it I would like that elements of the story left mysterious so you can plug in your own ideas. I love the journey so far and will I enjoy all it ends like everything as to at some point. Who knows...of yes like most stories love and loyalty seem to be the strongest factors.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST

    One more related thing in the journey...

    by new alien

    It just hit me as I post another one of my favorite shows BATTLESTAR GALACTICA has the same situation. A really interesting journey with elements of mystery and intrigue. I have to wonder how the story will end. It could go anywhere and like LOST the journey which is the best part could be the only good part depending where it ends up. These types of stories can sometimes cause dilemmas for some creators, while others thrive on these types of tales. The frustration of loving the mystery but wanting to know the answers. So I keep thinking LOST is the meaning of it all in the title. The others and what they are presenting. Like BSG and LOST wow I can&#39;t wait for more of the journey. Who would of thought there could be such good fantasy/scifi shows on the tube.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    things this TB hasn&#39;t resolved

    by Motherfracker

    1. Do we think Libby&#39;s husband David is someone we&#39;ve met? 2. Why was Desmond running stadiums precisely when Jack was? 3. Just how fracking hot is Pen?

  • May 25, 2006, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Kudos Motherfracker...

    by vinceklortho

    You pointed out a great observation and a marvelous question, which, if I may, I&#39;d like to answer: Pen is really hot.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Durhay

    by ZsAsZz

    nice Kids in the Hall reference.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Some odd theories here...

    by jccalhoun

    I think the talk of clones and twins is off base. The title "Bad twin" certainly seems more symbolic than literal. Also, what is the deal with 4 toes = animal? Many cats and dogs have vestigial "dew claws," so I would imagine that any animal/human hybrid would still have five toes.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:59 p.m. CST

    no plan B - this isn&#39;t Ocean&#39;s 11

    by durhay

    It&#39;s Oceanic 815. Although I&#39;d like to see Kate produce a lightsaber at some point.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Kelvin starts with a K. The letter K is also in Kurgan

    by Doc_Strange

    Coincidence? I think not.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s not Atlantis, but...

    by TheDoctor73

    It is a combination of all the Lost/Phantom islands of mythology. Look in Wikepeida for Lost Lands and Phantom Islands. Bottom of the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28lost_continent%29

  • May 25, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    What a fucking cocktease...

    by Flipao

    They&#39;ve built up like 100 questions and have only managed to answer like 10... 20 more have been left as a cliffhanger and the other 70 have been forgotten off altogether. The *sickness* that was talked about last season has only been reference, we still don&#39;t know shit about the numbers, who the hell the others are, what the fuck the *monster* (sure, the "security system", a black cloud of smoke, an experiment..., it&#39;s all bullshit being ansewered as it&#39;s being made up). I&#39;m glad 3 mysteries were solved (the hatch, the plane crash, the polar bears), but the payoff does not justify a full season. The show is all style and no substance, to those of you who talk about "character develpment" the characters from this season have little or nothing to do with those from last season, ffs, the Charlie ep were he trips out over Aaron... it pretty much sums up the show, the visions looked great, but the whole thing made no sense.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    And Charlie Was All Confused

    by delwin

    HE had no idea what was going on.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Gale didn&#39;t immediately cover his ears and eyes . . .

    by Motherfracker

    . . . when Desmond turned the key. Interesting. Jack = Luke; Sawyer = Han; Kate = Leia; Michael = Lando. Will Henry alter the deal?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Questions

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    1. If Libby&#39;s husband is someone we know, I&#39;m guessing it&#39;s Locke&#39;s dad. He faked his death. The one thing we do know is that Libby wasn&#39;t telling the wholw truth. ~~~~~~2. That bird really did say Hurly&#39;s name. Was that walt trying to warn them of danger? he has some sot of control over animals. ~~~~~3. Michael is infected. He&#39;ll probably infect Walt, too. It seems awfully extreme to kill Walt in order to avoid the aging isue, but they might. But there&#39;s no way they can let Michael get away with what he has done.~~~~4. Will penny and her crew get trapped on the island. I&#39;m assuming the Others are interested in hiding from her, yet i can&#39;t figure out why they would rely on strangers like Desmond to keep the shield up.~~~~~5. One of the hatches was destroyed on the map. someone must have activated the failsafe destruct for it at some point. Is that where the smoke monster came from, the disease was developed, or animal research? Any are plausible.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Summaries of theories...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Here are my conclusions. I&#39;m sticking with the rule of steering clear of sci-fi cliches, which is what I believe the producers have been actively doing. 1) There are no twins or clones. It&#39;s just a symbolic thing (the lives that the survivors live before and after they arrive on the island), and a red herring to jerk around with the audience. 2) The multiple use of the names Tom and David. This may be nothing more than a coincidence. These are really common names. Again, I think the producers are jerking with us. 3) It&#39;s not Atlantis, because that would be cheesy. But there was probably an ancient human civilization on the island that is long gone now. Imagine in Season 4 when the characters discover underground temples, tombs, rooms, passageways, etc. from this lost civilization. Such settings would fit with this series in its future seasons. 4) The foot statue is not of an alien, but of an animal god, like the kind that the ancient Egyptians worshipped. The characters will probably come across a smaller version of this god idol later next season or in another future season. 4) I doubt The Others want Jack, Kate and Sawyer because they "saw things". (The horse was really there, oddly enough.) Charlie saw things, too -- perhaps he was sleepwalking, but same diff. And Jack was hallucinating from lack of sleep. Somebody above joked that the rest of the survivors of Flight 815 are better off without these three, and, seriously I think he has it right. This may be why The Others wanted them -- they may have concluded that Jack, Sawyer and Kate would pose the most trouble for everybody involved. I think they will be imprisoned at one of the 2 remaining Hatches we have not yet seen. It will be a loony experiment/interrogation facility. I see these three being psychologically tormented for their "sins" and told by The Others that everybody would be better off without them. The Others will try to drive each person to suicide, maybe.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    The Others&#39; rehabiliation of Sawyer, Kate and Jack

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Maybe what The Others have in mind is to "rehabilitate" these three, putting them through an excruciating psychological ordeal in one of the two DHARMA stations we have not yet seen. Imagine a scenario like out of the Saw movies where Jack, Kate and Sawyer are pitted against one another. They either have to change their ways or die. So we will get lots of flashbacks out of these three: Jack in Thailand, another Kate adventure which depicts something else she was doing while on the run from the law, a new Sawyer arc. Meanwhile, The Others go to the other Lostaways and tell them they can have these three back -- but do they really want them, and why? Fake-Henry may point out that the survivors of Flight 815 are better off without Sawyer, Kate and Jack. Imagine if we see many of them gradually agree! (Charlie would probably be one of the first.) Accepting or not taking back these three may be key to beginning a truce between The Others and Flight 815 survivors. Additionally, I could see Alex operating on her own as a wild card in this pending arrangement between the two factions.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Walt is probably gone...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    We won&#39;t see Michael again until later in Season 3 when Ms. Widmore and her team are about to launch off to find the island. Michael will suddenly show up and volunteer his services to help her. It would be his way to make amends for what he felt he had to do to get back Walt. But I think we&#39;re not going to see Walt ever again. I see no point in bringing him back, really -- the Michael and Walt arc seemed over in this finale. But the biggest significance of this finale is that we were shown the outside world in the same time frame. This established a new "rule" for this show. How will the series&#39; format play out across next season now that we&#39;ve been shown the outside world?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    tailies

    by Napoleon Park

    Okay, the tail end crashed in the water. Many corpses were fished from the sea. Ana Lucia said:"on the first night they took three of us, on the second night they got nine!" All the children were taken. In the march to the Losties camp Cindy was taken. Ana Lucia and Libby were shot. Now it&#39;s unlikely but remotely possible that Mr. Eko was crushed by metal objects, impaled by darts, even had all the iron in his blood dragged to one spot. IF he&#39;s dead, (again, unlikely) that means the ENTIRE "Tailies" season was all about reuniting Rose with Bernard. And their reunion didn&#39;t get any dialog or even make the clip show. Next season: The Others, aka Them, aka "the hostiles". Plus Pennyloafer and the Antarctic Rescuers. I&#39;m a total Lost fan geek and love every minute of it, not one of those sad h8trs who want everything answered "NOW!!!". But somemtimes i wonder why such a big deal was made about there being about four dozen survivors in the earliest episodes and pre-debut promo material, when we&#39;ve only ever met 17 of them. When do we get the long awaited "out of focus girl in bikini walking in background" flashbacks? I want a back story to explain why she refuses to wear clothes.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Atlantis? based on what?

    by Silver Shamrock

    oh right, because everyone had 4 toes on Atlantis. Jesus, do people put ANY thought into these theories?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST

    FYI

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Iron is the blood is not attracted by magnets. It is a different kind of iron than the metal.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:55 p.m. CST

    the yellow suit

    by Napoleon Park

    This is comics geek talk, but did anyone else think the yellow contaiment suit Des&#39;s buddy wore resembled those Dr. No style uniform&#39;s worn by Advanced Idea Mechanics. So if the haso experiments are AIM and the Others are "Them", does that make the Widmore Corporation Hydra or the Secret Society? (by "Dr. No style" I meant, the type of uniforms worn by Dr No&#39;s henchmen. but that would make a good Austin Powers villain; a badly dressed arch-fiend named Doctor No-Style.)

  • May 25, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    yep, new rules indeed

    by Silver Shamrock

    S1 ending with the hatch being opened which would spin the entire show into a totally different direction with all the dharma stuff. The S2 ending with the Widmore and NotJack reveal spins the show into a different direction as well. It&#39;s pretty damn brilliant the way they&#39;ve set this up. And next season&#39;s flashbacks for new characters will reinvigorate the show even more.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    an entirely different kind of flying.

    by Napoleon Park

    A different kind of iron? Okay, thanx for the FYI. Like I said, I&#39;m a comics geek. I figured if Magneto can make someones blood run backwards in their veins, he must have magnetic control over the iron. I guess you can&#39;t believe everything you read in comics. *** As a comics geek, I can&#39;t believe Walt won&#39;t be back. Why introduce a character with a super-power (summon animals, make it suddenly rain, etc.) one season, kidnap him the next and free him the third without ever explaining what his deal is? *** wild guess: with the system shut down, will there be regular discharges? Will they drag the tug boat back? Yeah. Michael dead or near death, Walt infected, hoping returning to the "healing lands" will save then. But with the system non-functional, Locke&#39;s a cripple again, Rose&#39;s cancer returns, Sawyer&#39;s eye-sight deteriorates, and Charlie goes diving for Marys. People start getting sick or injured and Jack is forced to do real doctor stuff - with a worthless vaccine, no heroin and what&#39;s left of Desmond&#39;s liquor as an antiseptic/anesthetic. *** I want to form a band called "Diving For Marys" with Charlie on bass and Hurley on drums. Also Claire on flute and Kate on oboe and Sun on recorder.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST

    What&#39;s great is that...

    by ALUCINOR11

    Sayid, Jin, and Sun are still on the boat when all of this happened sailing back...They are so going to run into Michael and Walt getting away on the boat at the beginning of season 3. MUHAHAHA! No escape!

  • May 26, 2006, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Ace up their sleeve

    by Spicypeanut

    Jack & Kate have a plan. If that wasn&#39;t a nod followed by a smirk on Jack&#39;s gagged mouth then I&#39;ll be a smoke monster&#39;s uncle. Not only that, but Kate deliberately did the eye nod while Sawyer&#39;s eyes gave away the "what the fuck do you two have up your sleeves that you&#39;re not telling me." That was a real nice use of body language to slyly get a point across. I also think Charlie took a serious knock to the head in those blasts. With his hearing all fucked up, it&#39;s pretty easy to assume he didn&#39;t hear the explosion. It&#39;s also easy to assume that he&#39;s happy that Locke & Eko are dead... so he has no one looking over his shoulder. And the other thing is that there is something mystical with the planet&#39;s leylines going on in the island. Except, unlike the Austratlian one that Rose & Bernard visited, this one has a real signifigant source of power. That power feeds directly into what the hatch was trying to contain because someone fucked up trying to harness it. This is where I&#39;m guessing people are drawing in the Atlantis theories b/c it&#39;s rumored that the Atlanteans were messing with some kind of cosmic power (comedy Galactus ate Atlantis Option) and destroyed themselves. The four toed foot is the second relic of this ancient culture from the island. One that perhaps destoryed itself. I dunno, but the first would be "Adam & Eve" and I dunno about you guys, but I&#39;m going to go back to season 1 and check out Adam & Eve&#39;s feet to see about that connection.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST

    NO plan NO ideas NO way LOST will recover...

    by brezzel

    ...All you have to do is read yesterday&#39;s NY TIMES article. Cuse admits that they have no plan week by week and that the writers are "flying by the seats of their pants." I think that fact was made clear in a finale that paled in comparison to last year&#39;s. LOST is done.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    MrCretin

    by snowpuff

    I noticed the same thing about the who ended up face down. He obviously was supposed to "maybe" be the guy from the orientation film or "maybe" not. I liked that clue, but as I have complained, lots of clues and gimmicks all over the place... do not add up to mystery well told. Galactica has fun with a lot of subtle nuances in character dialogue or action... that makes you wonder if one day it might mean something. But it&#39;s never in the Lost "hey we&#39;re wacky there&#39;s dem clues all da place! ain&#39;t it wacky???" Galactica makes it work - you don&#39;t even have to notice to enjoy the show. Lost... well, I&#39;m off to sleep.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST

    re: Flying by the seats of their pants

    by snowpuff

    Dat&#39;s what I been saying. They&#39;re not respecting the viewers and they&#39;re in danger of backlash at some point. I don&#39;t wish it on them - I hope they have high ratings and success. But I think they&#39;re risking a very popular show with very undisciplined planning.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Also I want to see an episode where they find a payphon

    by snowpuff

    Seriously.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST

    *SPOILER* Jack and Kate Look

    by enemakid

    Im with Spicypeanut, I just rewatched that bit again, and there&#39;s definitely a nod from Jack followed by a very slow and conscious *OK* blink from Kate, followed by a "what the FUCK are these two doing?" look from Sawyer

  • May 26, 2006, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Why was Walt introduced if they are taking him away?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Why would Walt be introduced and be gone now, never to reappear again, when they went through so much trouble to establish the possibility of supernatural weirdness about him? No reason, really. As has been pointed out before, what were the reasons for having Boone or Shannon on this show originally? Why did we have the Tallies if most of them now are either dead or with The Others? There is absolutely no profound, cosmic reason, folks. The thing about LOST, and which I imagine frustrates a lot of people (me included at times), is that the writers actively avoid establishing any outrightly obvious meaning to the island and events surrounding it. The more I have carefully watched and noticed, the more I have concluded that the producers don&#39;t care much for writing 24-style pacing or action sequences. That&#39;s why no "war" between the Lostaways and The Others happened, and I imagine there never will be such a violent conflict. They care much more about writing "character studies" and "character dramas", which is the main reason why the flashbacks exist. (And this is why I&#39;m predicting The Others will put Jack, Kate and Sawyer under psychological duress in the first few episodes of next season. There will be no super action-packed rescue with Sayid meting out vengeance, Iraqi style -- sorry, gang. Jack, Sawyer and Kate will be psychologically tortured, pitted against one another... Their loyalties tested, their temptation to kill one another or to suicide raised. Insert gratuitous flashbacks to each of their lives. Then they will simply be released. But will they be accepted again by their group? That&#39;s the kind of psychological drama that the LOST producers love to dwell in, and which tends to frustrate many of the "haters" here.)

  • May 26, 2006, 3:48 a.m. CST

    The first few episodes of season 3...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I see it playing out this way: Episode 1: Sawyer episode. Perhaps they will finally use the flashback footage with Jolene Blaylock. Episode 2: Jack episode. We flashback to when he first arrived to Thailand and began a new chapter in his life after his divorce. Episode 3: Kate flashback. A new story arc that takes place while she was on the run from the law. The theme: in the flashback story, Kate had to make a choice between two things. In the present, she has to choose between Jack or Sawyer, with the possibility that one man will die -- but will the man who dies be the one she chooses or does NOT choose? (That would be the sick psychological test which The Others would put the three through.) Episode 4: Alex intervenes to save all of them. Flashback to Alex as she was growing up on the island. One of the women who took care of her: Libby! In the end, Alex joins the survivors of Flight 815 and becomes a new recurring character cast member.

  • May 26, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Prof. Pop Cult has mapped it out very convincingly.

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I think his speculation will be very close to what we&#39;ll see next season. I for one would love to see Sayid and Jin going apeshit hardstyle on The Others in a rescue mission. Sadly, I don&#39;t see it happening, because Lindof and Cuse really seem to have an outright disdain for action-oriented sequences (at least for this show). They set up such possibilities, tease about it, but then take the "serious" character-driven route. I think Jack and Kate do have a Plan B. They will try to pull it off in the premiere, and utterly fail. Meanwhile, Sayid, Jin and Sun give up and save back to their side of the island. Fake Henry will later go to the Lostaways camp, regard Sayid as their leader, and offer a deal concerning a truce. Alex will foul up any such deals that are being discussed by breaking out Jack, Sawyer and Kate, and then she herself will join the Lostaways. I betcha Sawyer&#39;s flashback episode will center on a woman he loved (or could have loved) and passed up on it. In Jack&#39;s adventure in Thailand, a new woman will enter his life in that timespan. The idea that Libby was Alex&#39;s surrogate mother as she was growing up makes sense and fits -- Libby was the one who was most concerned about the well-being of the Tailie kids. Also, Season 3 will be the start of a Widmore Industries vs. Hanso Foundation storyline. We&#39;ll see flashbacks of Penelope&#39;s life and I betcha Walt&#39;s lawyer mom represented Widmore, and maybe Christian (Jack&#39;s dad) was interviewing for a gig with Hanso. By the end of Season 3, Penelope will launch an expedition to the island -- and Michael will suddenly show up and offer his assistance. He will do this to redeem himself, and also because he promised Walt he would bring back Vincent. Season 4 will be about the dangerous journey to the island. While on the island itself, the Lostaways do some tombraiding through the ancient civilization. So Mr. Cuse and Lindoff: I think we figured you guys out.

  • May 26, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST

    How to come up with a LOST theory...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    1. If it is an outrightly science-fictiony premise that is too fantastical or a bad cliche (i.e. twins, clones, parallel realities, aliens, superpowers), then it&#39;s probably not what the producers are actually doing, and ANY hints that they put in suggesting these theories are probably red herrings. 2. If a theory involves elements of the mystical, spiritual, supernatural, then the producers will never provide a definitive answer. They will hint at it, but never say, yes, there is a cosmic karmic connection or something. Most likely, however, any supernatural element is not the central focus behind the world of LOST, anyway. 3. If a theory/prediction concerns heavy use of action sequences (i.e. a war between The Others and Lostaways; Sayid goes Rambo on The Others), then it is probably unlikely to happen. Lindof and Cuse seem to have been actively avoiding outright physical action sequences. 4. Their focus is on the characters, and the themes that drive and motivate the characters. They have already stated that Season 3&#39;s theme will be "love" as cheeseball as that sounds. Yet it fits with what was set up throughout the finale. So if you&#39;re going to come up with a theory, I&#39;m sorry to say that I think coming up with theories that fall under #1, 2 or 3 is a huge waste of time, and Lindoff and Cuse figure that&#39;s what you&#39;re going to do. Keep pushing The Button! :)

  • May 26, 2006, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Locke&#39;s "punishment"

    by minderbinder

    Locke started out giving the island what it wanted, and he ended up getting into the hatch. Now he lost faith in the island, and really screwed things up. So what is the appropriate punishment for doing something like that? Sure, he could be dead, but that&#39;s probably not the worst thing in his mind. He survives the Event...but he&#39;s lost the use of his legs again. Whether he can do something to get healed and walk again, who knows? A nice touch nobody seems to have pointed out: why a film in the Swan, while the Pearl has videotapes? Because the big magnet would erase a videotape in the Swan, I assume the Pearl is far enough away. Same reason the swan has records instead of tapes.

  • May 26, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Kelvin and Kurgan start with a K...

    by Napoleon Park

    ...and so does Kang and Kolos and Kothos - so Kelvin and Kurgan are Klingons? (All those k-sounds - comedy gold, Jerry, comedy gold.) *** I know it&#39;s pointless to rag on the H8trs and trolls since it only gives them the attention they crave, but there are TV shows that have easy to understand characters and tell one linear plot with one or two sub-plots and tie up all the loose ends by the end of the installment: they&#39;re called sit-coms. And for anyone who still can&#39;t grasp the concept of "making it up as you go along", here&#39;s what you do: Write a detailed outline for a seven year series and write each script and button down every single plot detail and continuity point ON SPEC, then start peddling it around and hope someone buys it so you haven&#39;t wasted two years of your life. Good luck with that.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Flipao - They gave an explanation for the polar bear?

    by LilOgre

    Please explain? And if you say that the final shot of the Portugese men at the Listening Station solves this (due to some kind of dimensional shift) then I have two bones to pick: 1.) They are at the South Pole - because of climate, mountain ranges, and light at that time of year - November 2.) There are no polar bears in the south pole. That being said, if it is a different explanation, I definitely want to hear it.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    anyone find it ironic

    by smackfu

    that the lostaways consider the Others to be the bad guys, when a) the lostaways are essentially encroaching on the land that the Others either own or have lived on for a long time beforehand. b) the Others seem to go out of their way to not actually harm the lostaways, whereas the lostaways consistantly attempt to shoot and kill the Others, tortured Henry Gale while the Others seem to treat their captives humanely, and actually shot and killed one of the Others that was following them in the finale. Technically speaking, the lostaways have proven themselves in action to be much more &#39;the bad guys&#39; than the Others have. Just because the show plays scary music when we see them and they&#39;re surrounded in urban (jungle) legend tales of being evil and rutheless, there&#39;s really no evidence of that. All the shit with them kidnapping the castaways could very easily be a &#39;for their own good\for all our own good&#39; reason, which is made obvious by them either injecting or taking blood samples of the castaways.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Times Article Shows Cuse and Lindelof On Track

    by LilOgre

    Come on haters. The "seat of your pants" coment was used to show a similarity between Dickens&#39; own episodic writing and their episodic television writing today. The quote states, "The only thing that it discusses is that they are also, like Dickens, writing in chapter format (they later make a comparison to Harry Potter also) Says Cuse, "He was writing chapter by chapter for newspapers," Mr. Cuse said. "We often think: &#39;How much did Dickens know when he was writing his stories? How much of it was planned out, and how much was flying by the seat of his pants because he had to get another chapter in?&#39; " He paused, then said with a laugh, "We can respect what he went through." They have said on the podcast that they have a plan for the series and have already planned out seasons 3 and 4. The "seat of the pants" comment is just to the day-to-day writing of episodes inherent in the writing, and probably to the amount of analysis some of this "day-to-day" writing gets.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST

    if I understand you correctly

    by Napoleon Park

    The Others/Them/The Hostiles had an island, a mission, a culture and a settlement with tents and boats. Then the Lostaways and the Tailies arrived, encroached on their land, built settlements on their beaches and by their springs and caves, behaved in a hostile manner, tried to capture of kill the islands original residents, tespassed and desecrated their sacred lands 9the hatches), developed a paranoid fear and hostility towards &#39;them&#39;, stole their food and somehow managed to provide them with most, if not all, of the guns they have. Heck, even the pirate that show Sawyer did so when Sawyer shot first. So while "Lost" is an engaging and entertaining fantasy, the framework it is hung on is basically a metaphor for American History?

  • May 26, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Smackfu - Rom did kill Steve and hung Charlie and...

    by LilOgre

    There was that little matter of the boat attack at the end of Season 1. So that was the 815 Survivors first two encounters with the others, I think you can see why the 815 Survivors we be a bit trigger happy when the others are around.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Apologies for the grammar and spelling

    by LilOgre

    God that was some horrible grammar in my above post - it&#39;s early. Apologies. One more thing to Park and Smack - the Others were kidnapping Claire and a child from his father, so yeah I guess Sawyer did shoot first but it was technically in defense.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    And Cuse says next season will be about The Others

    by LilOgre

    From NY TIMES Article: Mr. Cuse listed what viewers will learn about the Others by this time next year: "Who are these people? How many of them are there? What is their history? What are they trying to accomplish?"

  • May 26, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Good guys?

    by Redlegs

    The Nazi Party thought they were the good guys too. Good people adopt the idea that honesty is the best policy so why all the cryptic shit if they are so good? Where are the people they abducted?

  • May 26, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Overlong yet decent ep that severly lacked a WTF moment

    by Mr. Profit

    At the end. The whole hype that Carlton and Damon teased us with was wack. That ending was soap opera worthy and I could have done without it. So she&#39;s searching for her man? Please. Any other rich chick would have been sloppily putting her crotch to use with a spoiled shipping heir. The best thing happened right before the Klondike Bar Commercial ending. It was the evil "You son of a bitch" look Jack gave Michael and the "We are gonna get these mutherfuckers!" look he gave to Kate as Kate then replied to Jack with her eyes "I&#39;m gonna rip the fake bearded one&#39;s balls off and use them to play ping pong with Hurley". That was good shit, and I am happy to know Jack and Kate have a plan. They should have either ended it there, or fucking ended it with another plane crashing or a boat crashing to shore as a result of the button not being pressed.

  • May 26, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    smackfu...what show have you been watching?

    by PastePotPete

    The others kidnapped an infant from a distraught Roussea, never to bee seen again by her...Ethan brutalized Claire, hung Charlie by the neck, beat the crap out of Jack and killed Scott/Steve. Goodwin snappped Nathans neck and tried to kill Ana Lucia....Zeke and crew shot Sawyer, fire bombed their boat in the middle of the ocean, and wrenched a screaming boy from his father...Alex freed Claire as the Others were preparing to remove her baby from her womb...They threatened to kill Kate if the Castaways didnt give up their weapons and turn back. Heny Gale tried to strangle Ana Lucia. How can you say the Others have not really harmed them at all? In fact, it is because of all the murder, violence, and brutality that the Others have inflicted on the various island dwellers that I was waiting for some serious payback in the finale. And that never came...which is the major reason why feel the finale was a major letdown...the Others won again.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Prof Pop - Why Walt

    by MrD

    Introducing the idea that Walt is psychic allows us to consider that the Others are lookin for/testing psychic abilities. Just because Walt is gone (or not - we&#39;ll see), that door hasn&#39;t closed.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I am just guessing based on the producers&#39; style...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I don&#39;t know what&#39;s going to happen at the start of next season. Instead, I am making an educated guess based on the producers&#39; storytelling style we have seen thus far. Jim Jam, you summed it up perfectly in your "how not to come up with a LOST theory" write-up. The producers are focused on the characters first, not on anything else. Perhaps I have become cynical to the show&#39;s manipulation on the audience, but I now think the island mystery is nothing more than an elaborate ruse to draw you in to watch character melodramas about a Korean couple&#39;s marital woes, a fat guy&#39;s low self-esteem, a bad-boy attractive con man, and so on. My idea that the first four episodes would center on Sawyer, Jack, Kate and Alex (in this specific order) and that the captured Lostaways will be psychologically tormented/tested/rehabilitated by The Others is based on the fact that such a set-up would be an excellent excuse for Lindoff and Cuse to start a new series of flashbacks featuring these three, and, most importantly for them, stretch out the capture of these three across three episodes. I see absolutely no attempt by Sayid to try to rescue them by direct means. Not gonna happen. I agree that Jack and Kate probably DO have a back-up plan. They will try to pull it off in the premiere, but I bet they will totally fail and get so owned once again. Perhaps I have become totally cynical, but this is how Lindoff and Cuse seem to like to play things out on LOST. (I&#39;m not asking what I would like to see happen on this show. I&#39;m asking what I think Lindoff and Cuse, specifically, seem inclined to do and what THEY seem to like to do.) Sure, they could pull a radical shift in how they plot out arcs next season, but I just do not see it happening.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Walt. Again.

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The Others tried to test if Walt had any psychic abilities. The "impression" that was given was that The Others couldn&#39;t determine anything. So they figured they should just give him back to Michael, in exchange for the three biggest troublemakers among the Lostaways. Fake Henry himself said to Michael he didn&#39;t like this deal that his people made, but he was going to abide by it. I think Fake Henry is a man of his word. Walt is gone. He&#39;ll probably be mentioned in passing by other characters, and Walt may appear again in a flashback episode (an episode centered on Alex, for example). But I doubt we&#39;ll hear from Walt ever again. The fates of Walt and Michael will remain unknown throughout most of Season 3. Until Michael&#39;s "surprise" appearance just before Penelope Widmore launches her expedition to find the island, and he demands to join her crew to help.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Hugh Mcintyre Interview

    by KoozyK

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN4_kXzqO9I real lame if you ask me...

  • May 26, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The Others are EVIL

    by p5mmr9

    Anyone who thinks otherwise is either not really watching or is naive enough to fall for Fenry&#39;s bull shit. Never trust the Others.

  • May 26, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Does anyone remember a scene on the plane...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    ... I now think it was in Season Two... where one of the characters is sitting by a window... the character looks out the window and sees a bright, white flash go by underneath the plane... and then the plane starts to shake and break apart. This driving me INSANE! Can anyone else remember that scene and which episode it occured in? Please, help me. LOST and my bad memory are robbing me of my sanity.

  • May 26, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Payphone idea is great!

    by talkbackgeek

    Snowpuff thats an awesome idea. having a payphone on the island for one episode is genius, no one would have any quarters etc..

  • May 26, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Payphone idea is great!

    by talkbackgeek

    Snowpuff thats an awesome idea. having a payphone on the island for one episode is genius, no one would have any quarters etc..

  • May 26, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    also the arcs next year

    by Silver Shamrock

    will be influenced by the new schedule: 7 in the fall, a long break then the rest of the episodes so the first 7 should be one large chunk with a good cliffhanger to keep folks waiting for next year.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I found this funny

    by paulrichard

    For a lost related laugh: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/board/thread/44032642?d=44032642#44032642

  • May 26, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Not Atlantis

    by Marduk

    But Mu. As in the PACIFIC ocean. As in "last magnetic cataclysm, hieratic alphabet", etc. I&#39;d say more but I have to brush up on my Korean for a job interview, DAMMIT!

  • May 26, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    yeah maybe lemuria..

    by Silver Shamrock

    Fury did say way back that the island does have a name...

  • May 26, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Michael & Walt

    by coolmodee

    Has anyone thought that Michael and Walt may be part of Jack&#39;s plan? Think about it Jack and Michael had this big confrontation and everyone including the viewers hates Michael for what he did to AnaL and Libby. If he comes back and saves everyone from the others he could be on the way to redeeming himself. I dunno - seems pretty lame now I typed it out but I really dont believe that we have seen the last of Walt or Michael.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    My two cents...

    by Zardoz

    First off, I love this show and the finale was fantastic! All you Lost haters need to shut the fuck up and just walk away while you still can. Why bother with a show you don&#39;t like and can&#39;t understand? Just don&#39;t spew venom here for the rest of us who love the show. Okay, next, there&#39;s a few things I&#39;m convinced of now, things that many of us have been speculating about since the beginning. The finale confirmed most of my theories. One, the island is phased out of our dimension in the "real" world, possibly out of space and time. This phasing is done by the electromagnetic device in the Hatch. Flight 815 was brought to the island when Desmond caused the system failure, which expanded the range of the electromagnetic distortion, drawing the plane into it&#39;s field. The Dharma Initiative was in charge of this electromagnetic experiment, which has more than one purpose, but has lost control over the experiment. The other purposes or benefits of the electro-experiment are: healing and life-extension, mental powers, including telepathy and mental projection. (The "voices" that we hear on the wind? It&#39;s the "sound" of The Others communicating with each other telepathically.) Un-Henry is the leader of the remains of the Dharma Group. (And I think Un-Henry knew exactly what the pulse was at the end) Finally, there is an outside world, a world off of the island. And there are people off the island who are aware of what has happened with the island, they just don&#39;t know where it is exactly, because it is phased out of our reality. (I always laughed at the morons who speculated that everyone was dead and in purgatory; what a stupid plot that would be, and highly anti-climactic) Those two guys in Antarctica? They&#39;re obviously trying to track the island for Penelope. (Oh yeah, Penelope was the wife of Odysseus, who, like Desmond, went on a long sailing voyage to mysterious lands) Questions posed by the finale: now that Desmond turned the key, did the machine reset? Or did it turn off? If it was reset, how will they now vent the excess energy? The clock and the computer were destroyed, so how will they be able to enter the numbers? Was anyone else drawn into the island by the latest system failure? Are Locke, Eko and Desmond dead? I have to say NO. Locke and Eko will be changed in some manner, a Locke/Eko hybrid personality? Will they have mental powers? Desmond on the other hand, will have probably "disappeared"; transported to another place or time. Or maybe it&#39;s him who will be changed by the "Pulse". As to the statue with four toes: I can&#39;t help but think about the great statue of mythology, the Colossus at Rhodes, one of the seven ancient wonders of the world. Will Walt and Michael escape the island? I say yes, they will. And they&#39;ll probably eventually be contacted by Penelope. Anyway, this was a great season and I look forward eagerly to next year. See y&#39;all in the Fall...

  • May 26, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Zardoz

    by Ribbons

    Gee, and here I was thinking that my feeling of disappointment with the season finale was legitimate. Turns out I&#39;m a "hater" who "needs to shut the fuck up." How &#39;bout a more compelling reason? If you disagree with the things people have to say about the show, then you really ought to be able to articulate why.

  • May 26, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST

    And seriously...

    by Ribbons

    ...the words "hater" and "naysayer" need to be banned, like, yesterday. They do nothing but bring down the level of discussion around this place. Calling someone a "naysayer" is proof of nothing.

  • May 26, 2006, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Next Season Charlie, Locke and Eko

    by cookylamoo

    Will all have super-powers, while Desmond will grow armor.

  • May 26, 2006, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Polar bear and others

    by TheHichhiker

    To LilOgre and others who keep wondering about the bear: when the blacklight map appeared to Locke, someone had a closeup. Among the writings on the map there was a mention of zoological research station and a project to adapt a polar bear to tropical climate. (Dont ask me why)

  • May 26, 2006, 5:44 p.m. CST

    but how do you win?

    by Napoleon Park

    Ubisoft, one of the world&#39;s largest video game publishers, announced a long-term worldwide licensing agreement with Touchstone Television to develop and publish a video game based on the Emmy Award-winning television series Lost. http://tinyurl.com/jyyxy "It&#39;s not enough for fans worldwide to just watch &#39;Lost,&#39; the game is a wonderful opportunity to organically extend this creative phenomenon into an interactive consumer experience."

  • May 26, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Lemuria

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    You might be onto something there. One of the legends surrounded Lemuria is a race of reptillians. Perhaps the four toed statue is of one of them. I hope not. That sounds like a huge jump the shark monent.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Re: Payphone

    by snowpuff

    Thanks. I think it would make a great B story for Hurley and Charlie. It can be subtle - less "operator help!!!" and more inscrutable clicks and pops on the phone, barely being able to hear someone (if it is a person) and finally when they start to think it&#39;s hopeless... ...the phone rings. "Can I speak to _____?" [Insert someone from their story bible] Irony of an ordinary exchange. "Uh... I don&#39;t think he&#39;s here..." I&#39;m not sure yet how they would wrap that up, but probably like the radio in that it never quite works. Maybe in the coin slot is some strange coin,

  • May 26, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    LOST is not lost...

    by teufelhunden

    I keep reading that people think that LOST is lost and has no definite story arc. There were times when I thought that maybe they had dug themselves too big a hole to get out of, but after Wednesday&#39;s finale, I have no doubt whatsoever that the LOST writers and producers have a definite storyline that they&#39;re following, and that it will have a definite conclusion at some point. Even if they are making this stuff up by the seat of their pants, they&#39;re doing such a wondeful job at answering questions, sometimes about the smallest of details, that does it really matter how they&#39;re writing these stories? I see this as viewer impatience. We&#39;re so used to getting all the answers in such a short time frame, that our attention spans go all out of wack when a show actually takes its deliberate time to tell a well thought out story.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Ribbons: how does "suck my cock" sound?

    by Zardoz

    Instead of saying "haters"? Does that work? And I&#39;m not going to waste my time rebuking morons...

  • May 27, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Michael & Walt are gone for good: Confirmed!

    by Zardoz

    There&#39;s an interview with Harold Perrineau in which he says Michael and Walt have left the island for good. His contract&#39;s done and he&#39;s free to get other work. (No, not "Other" work!) But he says he might be making an appearance in Season 4. Bon Voyage Michael and Walt...

  • May 27, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Zardoz

    by Ribbons

    Then why even bother wasting your precious time addressing them in the first place? Oh! That&#39;s right: because you&#39;re talking out of your ass, but if you tell people they&#39;re wrong and refuse to elaborate any further, they might be fooled into believing you actually know what you&#39;re talking about.

  • May 27, 2006, 12:43 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m not a hater, dammit

    by Doc_Strange

    I fuckin love this show. I just thought I&#39;d throw out that Kelvin uses a K and so does the Kurgan, both of which are played by a kick ass Clancy-fuckin-Brown, who also put in a classic performance as the Chief officer in Shawshank Redemption. Inmate: "He took the Lord&#39;s name in vain, I&#39;m telling the Warden." Brown: "You&#39;ll be tellin him with my baton up your ass." Classic line.

  • May 27, 2006, 1:08 a.m. CST

    The potugese guys chess game talk...

    by Boondock

    The Portuguese guys chess game talk seems to be referring to what is going on with Jack and the gang. One guy says "I captured your rook, that&#39;s the last you&#39;ll see of him", the other says "It&#39;s all part of the plan", "then it must be your plan to lose". This is the writers giving us a hint, there is a plan b. Also when Jack tells the gang he has a plan, we don&#39;t hear what that plan is, this is a common way to mislead the audience.

  • May 27, 2006, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Jack&#39;s playing Texas Hold &#39;em

    by Silver Shamrock

    people complained about the episode dedicated to Jack&#39;s mad poker skills, well, maybe there was a point to it other than wasting time.

  • May 27, 2006, 3:50 a.m. CST

    Desmond & &#39;Good Guys&#39; & Alan Dale

    by Hell's Cigarette

    Definite casting upgrades. Sonya Walger is stunning. I think Alan Dale is behind the whole thing and is playing puppet master. His daughter has the resources to match him and, with her love for Desmond to drive her, will rescue everyone from the island. Show over. Everything else is a smoke screen...Walt, The Others, The Dharma Initiative...Desmond is &#39;The Prisoner&#39;...its no coincidence that the season finale began with Desmond in prison. He was let out and rejected The White Devil&#39;s money, so The White Devil hired Libby to give him a boat which took him to the island and another prison. Pen found Desmond once running stairs with Jack and her Portuguese friends found him again with the EMP that registered on their equipment. It&#39;s also obvious that Henry&#39;s referral to "The Others" as the &#39;good guys&#39; basically means that they are Alan Dale&#39;s security force on the island.

  • May 27, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Time Loop = Very Last Scene Ever = Back On Plane Crash!

    by Regis Travolta

    The final scene of this series five or six years from now will be Flight 815 breaking up and then Jack waking up in the jungle! Woom! L O S T -- They are never going to get to California. They are in a moebius strip of space/time so after 7 seasons of adventure this series is going to end exactly where it started. It&#39;s the only logical way to end it. They really are in a different dimension their plane was 1,000 miles off course due to magnetic interference to start with. So look forward to great and mysterious adventures but none of our Lostaways are ever going to get to Los Angeles. There won&#39;t be any big rescue by a Naval task force or a sea-plane or a yacht or submarine to take them home. They are destined to repeate their time on the island forever and ever. They won&#39;t have any memories of their first visit to the island and audiences around the world will feel cheated at how this eventual Series Finale plays out. People will feel cheated but smart viewers will realize what I&#39;ve just outlined here.

  • May 27, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Evil Jim Robinson

    by Groggy

    Not content with creating from his own loins half of the nefarious duo known in Oz and the UK as "Scott & Charlene", he was actually using Ramsey Street as a pilot for his later evil empire! Damn you Jim. DAMN YOU! ! ! Actually, I am the only one who sees Alan Dale and thinks "it&#39;s fucking Jim Robinson!" and then struggle to take him seriously?? First he ruins 24 and now Lost. I heard he was in the OC as well but that show bypasses my radar.

  • May 27, 2006, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Kelvin is NOT a twin!

    by minderbinder

    The official podcast is out...and they&#39;ve said that Inman is the same guy. His name was never spoken in his first appearance, and they gave TV guide the fake "Joe" Inman because TV guide requires names for all characters for credits. They just didn&#39;t want to have the credits reveal who Kelvin was. And I support the use of Hater, I just define it differently. I consider a Hater someone who just mindlessly whines about a show, I definitely think there can be legitimate complaints about any show. I also think that someone who really thinks the show sucks should save themselves the pain of watching the show. Seriously, I can&#39;t take seriously anyone who insists they&#39;ll never watch again, but is back here week after week.

  • May 27, 2006, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Thinking about RAIDERS

    by LilOgre

    I just watched RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK again last night and was thinking about the anibus statues in the well of souls. Maybe the statue that Sayid, Sun, and Jin saw is a tip to some religious connection to the Island and perhaps a reasoning for the greater island conspiracies beyond Hanso and Dharma. Might make sense since the writers have effectively shut the purgatory theory down with the final scene. And Damon is a confessed Spielberg/Lucas nut.

  • May 27, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Schedule Confirmed - 6 Episodes then 17 Episodes

    by LilOgre

    Per Damon on the podcast, LOST will pick up at the end of September then running to the beginning of November with a mini-cliffhanger. Then show will be off for 12 weeks. Then 17 non-stop episodes beginning in February through May.

  • May 27, 2006, 3:39 p.m. CST

    The foot...

    by Tripman5000

    Four toes.Who do we know has four toes?The Simpsons!!That&#39;s right fols,the series will continue in The Simpsons movie,in which we find that the island is just a rockery in their back garden...

  • May 27, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Lost blog

    by jsp2000

    "Michael is the kind of guy that will be your friend one minute, and shoot you in the chest the next." Funny shit. lostcastaway.blogspot.com

  • May 27, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Holy crap, people, Jack & Kate DON&#39;T have a plan ...

    by Zauriel

    Why is everyone so assured that the Wonder Twins have something cooked up to get back at the Others? Hmm, let&#39;s see, Jack told everybody that he wouldn&#39;t take them out there unless he had a plan. Which he did, it was called Sayid and a boat. Then Michael fucked them over by leading them in the wrong direction. So let&#39;s see, it was Jack and Kate&#39;s plan to allow Michael to walk them into the Others&#39; ambush, to get shot with blowdarts that rendered them immobilized, to have sacks put over there heads and led to a dock that they&#39;ve never been to or seen before, have all their weapons stripped from them, hands tied, and mouths gagged. Wow, that is one fucking good plan. Now, let&#39;s get back to reality. They have no Plan B. It&#39;s not Sayid, because he doesn&#39;t know that they&#39;ve been captured. They have no way of fighting back. Michael and Walt have left, and they would have no idea that Hurley would be let go. No, people, if you watch and read into body language as it actually pertains to recent events, you&#39;ll realize that the "look" between Jack and Kate was him basically saying "I&#39;m sorry I got us into this, but it&#39;ll be okay," to which she replies with blinking eyes that say "I know, it&#39;s okay." And then Sawyer, who sees the exchange, and is slightly confused, gives a "did they really just get caught in a net?" look. He&#39;s angry that she&#39;s giving the look to Jack, and not to him. That&#39;s all it is. There&#39;s no damn ulterior plan that they&#39;ve got cooked up. And if you believe they do, please, explain what you think it would be, and when Jack and Kate had time to cook up this plan by themselves while walking with Michael, Hurley, and Sawyer, because Kate obviously knew nothing about what was going on until Jack called Michael out to tell them the truth.

  • May 27, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    How did Hanso/Dharma harness island&#39;s Electro-Magnetism

    by Regis Travolta

    Assuming it&#39;s Lemuria or some other lost island how would the Dharma group be able to ever bring in enough construction material to create such a high-tech hatch right on top of the geologically unique and incredibly dangerous electro magnetic power source? How do you harness such power enough to control it "every 108 minutes"? I am guessing that Hanso is a descendant of this lost civilization he might be part of the Illuminati or some other shadowy group and the DeGroots were useful intellectualoids with some utopian ideas they needed a lot of money for. In the orientation film they seem to be typical 1970&#39;s style university eggheads. It&#39;s a brilliant construct this Dharma Initiative. Anyway here&#39;s an interesting article about Lemuria. http://www.think-aboutit.com/atlantis/lemurian_influence.htm

  • May 28, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Island of the Lost Dreams

    by CuervoJones

    mmm

  • May 28, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Watchmen

    by fatsackowind

    i don&#39;t think it can be emphasized enough the grey moral area being explored on LOST. i do not believe the Others have any interest in capturing Sawyer, Kate, and Jack to hurt/kill them. LOST island is more and more reminding me of the great island in Watchmen where abducted artists and scientists were placed to work on some covert globally significant project. the others may not be correct in their beliefs, or what they believe their "endgame" to be... but they certainly act as people who believe nothing can stop their agenda. especially not meatsacks who land on their island by accident. NOW, if it was an accident that the plane crashed how do the others have a comprehensive catalog of everyone who was on the plane?

  • May 28, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    THE CLUE TO LOST IS...

    by Cyberfury

    THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED. THEY ARE SETTING UP A REPLACEMENT RACE ON THE ISLAND.

  • May 29, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST

    wait - and whatever happened to the monster?

    by w1k

    and will abrahms work on the show next season?

  • May 29, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Wasn&#39;t the pregnancy test...

    by nycman100

    from Widmore labs? Also, on a side note. The producers said all ofwhat happens on the Island can be explained with real science. So can everyone stop talking about Time Travel, past civilizations, demension shifts and crap like that. You have all watched too much crappy syndicated sci-fi. Nanobots in the form of a cloud (if that is what it is) was already a stretch. THE SHOW IS ABOUT FAITH AND FATE, NOT PARALELL UNIVERSES, TIME TRAVEL, AND GEEKDOM!

  • May 29, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    SCIENCE!

    by MR INBETWEEN

    Time travel, past civilizations, other dimensions and nanobots can all be rationalized in terms of SCIENCE. (History might be a better term with regards to past civilizations though.)True, we have all watched too much crappy syndicated sci-fi. But how are concepts like FAITH and FATE (which is another ABC show isn&#39;t it?) going to be explained in a scientific fashion? I am with you, though...I think. I want LOST to be a little like the X-Files was, in that we can entertain the goofy ass theories and predicitons, but that we have FAITH that the answers to mysterious questions might be more grounded in REALITY than we think.

  • May 29, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    LilOgre

    by Flipao

    There&#39;s a lot of stuff about Dharma "relocating" Ursus Maritimus (polar bears) to new enviroments... it was one of Dharma&#39;s experiment thingies, I think I saw it in the UV light map. And I&#39;m the first person to say the answers come a) Too little and b) In a rather unsatisfying fashion... they build these huge plotlines and then build bigger ones while forgetting about the previous ones... other than the last 5 mins, the conclussion is not that different from the S1 finale... the lostaways are separated some are taken by the other and some are left at sea, in the first few eps there&#39;ll be a confrontation, they will all be reunited again and the cash cow milking will begin again... :/

  • May 29, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    First to say "the answers come too little"???

    by minderbinder

    Are you nuts? That&#39;s the main complaint about this show, most of the complaints in this TB are saying exactly that. I don&#39;t agree, I like how most of the big reveals make you want to know that much more. They haven&#39;t really forgotten about any of the big questions, they are just running on a long timeline and we&#39;re obviously not going to get all the answers in one season. This season we didn&#39;t find out much about the monster, supposedly that will be in season 3 along with lockes&#39; wheelchair, jack&#39;s tattoos, and kate&#39;s marriage. Whidmore DID make the pregnancy test, they first showed up in one of the Charlie flashbacks (whidmore construction) and their name has showed up as the manufacturer for other products here and there. Obviously they have some connection to Hanso and the Dharma project.

  • May 29, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    "Elizabeth" floats by right at Libby&#39;s Funeral!

    by Catbarf the 5th

    Nobody has commented on this, did anybody make anything of it? Either it&#39;s a nice bit of poetic license or it&#39;s got something to do with the island&#39;s weird synchronicity effect (I think most of the interpersonal connections on this show will turn out to NOT be mere coincidences, and they may even escalate as long as the show lasts). It&#39;s getting hard to tell on this show what&#39;s a coincidence-that&#39;s-not and what&#39;s just a plain old writer&#39;s device. Or maybe Libby&#39;s boat is haunted with her tormented spirit for all we know .

  • May 30, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    widmore

    by aestheticity

    People who read the tie-in book and/or follow the lost experience ARG understand Widmore&#39;s role better. Also, we did find things out about the monster, how can you say we didn&#39;t? We saw what it looks like properly; we saw what happens inside it; we saw what it did to locke in the first season and we got clues on its behaviour. As one of the bigger mysteries, it can&#39;t just be revealed in entirity. One can use the &#39;monster&#39; as a handy cipher, a descriptor for the way Lost seems to work; in the past it was a priority in the show, whereas its relevance appears to have receded as the show has progressed. It is now merely more mystery, more backstory, in the bank as it were, for the writers to go back to at any point they feel like. Many of Losts&#39; mysteries work like that - things introduced but not currently or even within a given series, explained. Each one is its own element that is part of the whole, and can remain unreferred to for some time before becoming part of the story again. Obviously, one day the monster and its place on the island will be revealed, but until then, it can be wheeled out as a plot device. For every one that the writers explain or part-explain, they introduce a new one to keep the weird-shit-o-meter high. Lost is, after all, a TV series. They can&#39;t count on going forever, nor can they shoot their load quickly. They&#39;ve got to keep some aces in the hole long term until they have to wrap things up. The monster will always be there, my guess is next season it&#39;ll be dealing with the Others (with or against), but don&#39;t count on knowing wtf it is until the end.

  • May 30, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Scientific esplanations?

    by Ribbons

    Well... more like quasi-science, methinks. Even accepting the hypothetical possibility of a "geologically unique" electromagnet (?) on an island somewhere in the South Pacific -- if that even makes sense to begin with -- I suspect that electromagnetism can&#39;t do all the things that the "Lost" writers make it do. Cure cancer, paralysis, crash planes, etc.? Then again, I&#39;m no expert on electromagnetism, so maybe it can. Hearing that the writers have a "scientific" explanation for everything is kinda disappointing, actually, because I was hoping for at least a little bit of the supernatural. But at the same time, and maybe for the same reason, scientific explanations for what happens on Lost Island seem kind of dubious anyway.

  • May 30, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Plus, the monster...

    by Ribbons

    ...what&#39;s the scientific explanation for that? It&#39;s a cloud of mind-reading nanites that eats your face if you&#39;re afraid of it(/them)?

  • May 30, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST

    The Button

    by 052883

    I dunno if this was mentioned already but...Did the Others want the button to not be pushed?...because Not-Henry was messing with Locke by saying that he didn&#39;t push the button and nothing happened.

  • May 30, 2006, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Nanobots still fall under "science", not supernatural.

    by minderbinder

    Even if it&#39;s farfetched pseudoscience. I think it just means there&#39;s no "magic" on the show. And we haven&#39;t been given the full explanation of the monster yet. One interesting comment from the last official podcast...they did say there was a point this season where we saw the monster but probably didn&#39;t realize it. I wonder if that&#39;s a hint that the monster is capable of taking other forms, or something similar.

  • May 30, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    minderbinder

    by Ribbons

    Well yeah. Nanotechnology is another one of those sciences that&#39;s sort of nebulous right now and that writers often use to explain things that can&#39;t actually happen. I was being sarcastic. Even calling the monster nanotech is a stretch; I mean what kind of nanotech can read minds, smell fear and eat people? I know it sounds like I&#39;m griping, but at the end of the day, psuedo-scientific or supernatural explanations for certain phenomena on the show are not that big of a deal. ********* As for the "seeing the monster" thing: I wonder if the producers think we don&#39;t already assume that what Eko saw was the monster. Because if that&#39;s what they&#39;re referring to when they say we saw the monster but probably didn&#39;t realize it, hate to break it to &#39;em, but I think most people took that smoke cloud for the monster/"security system." Now if they&#39;re talking about something else that we saw, then that&#39;d actually be a pretty interesting tease, because I don&#39;t think I&#39;ve heard anyone say they thought they saw the monster since that one episode. Curiouser and curiouser...

  • May 30, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Mindbender - for more WIDmore read "Bad Twin"

    by LilOgre

    Widmore is one of the main backers of Hanso and Thomas Mittweger sits on Widmore&#39;s Board of Directors. I know that you could technically say that this is a fictional book w/in the LOST universe but allegedly this is the part of the story within the LOST universe that is true, per Gary Troup&#39;s interviews. Confusing - yes - but basically the implication from the book is that Widmore finances Hanso.

  • May 30, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Re: Monster on Damon and Carleton&#39;s Podcast

    by LilOgre

    They say that the monster will likely be revealed in season 3. But they also say that there were times toward the end of the season past the 23RD PSALM that we saw the monster but did not know that we were seeing it. That it was not in its traditional "smokey" form. I&#39;m guessing maybe Eko and Locke&#39;s dreams. They say that this new form will be explained in season 3.

  • May 30, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST

    was the monster...

    by MR INBETWEEN

  • May 30, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    ...

    by MR INBETWEEN

    Dave? The horse? Green HurleyBird? Dead Brother Priest? A giant deflated balloon?

  • May 30, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    InBetween

    by LilOgre

    Shannon and Jack&#39;s dad too!

  • May 30, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    LilOgre

    by Ribbons

    Well, wait; you&#39;re filling in blanks in what the producers said that aren&#39;t necessarily meant to be filled in. All they said was that there&#39;d be more monster stories next season (they had a couple good ones that they wanted to tell) and that we&#39;d seen the monster this season and not realized it. They didn&#39;t say the new form would be explained in season 3, nor did they say that this appearance that you&#39;re referring to took place after Eko&#39;s episode. It&#39;s possible that they think people mean the thing that ate the pilot when they refer to the monster an