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Harry can't stand X-MEN: LAST STAND!

Imagine… the powers that be had just made DR. NO and FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE… but a powerful executive for some arbitrary insanely stupid reason decides to rush GOLDFINGER… but at the same time, being so short sighted that this same executive decides that he’s tired of paying Sean Connery and wants to do a big blowout film… so he combines into GOLDFINGER… THUNDERBALL, YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE and ON HER MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE and for good measure a dash or two of MOONRAKER. I mean, why not… this is gonna be the last one. Then, before a script is in place he announced the release date, one approximately a half year to a full year ahead of what would best serve the film. He decides to kill off M, Q, BLOFELD and render Bond impotent – since he won’t be in anything else, it’s best that he lose the ability to procreate.

To reflect the giganticness of this monstrosity, they retitle GOLDFINGER… GOLDMOONBALL’S TWICE LIVED SECRET SERVICE. Because good news is delivered in short bursts – this third film will be 40 minutes shorter than the last one, because they have so many kick ass characters and action set pieces that rather than exhaust any single one of them, they’d just touch upon these bits, change day for night at a moments notice to hide the seams of the threadbare action… cuz rather than fully produce any of it… they’ll do a couple of high water marks and then let the waters recede under the cover of darkness as to not reveal that it’s mostly cardboard cutouts and extras from the SPARTACUS sets in wristwatches and togas.

The film you’d get would be… sort of like what has happened with X-MEN: THE LAST STAND.

This isn’t Brett Ratner’s car wreck… oh sure, he was just the hired hand at the wheel who managed to keep the car basically on the road, but he didn’t pick the car, nor did he fill the tank. No, this car, road and explosions were timed, set and sabotaged by Tom Rothman. I actually believe Brett could have made a pretty decent X-MEN movie had he been given the time to adequately adapt the film.

Now, if you have never read an X-MEN comic, if you know nothing about the PHOENIX saga and if early 1980’s Honk Kong wirework still looks miraculous to your eyes… then you’re gonna love this movie.

If you liked the first two X-MEN films – and know the comics – then for the vast majority of the film you’ll notice how clumsy things like deaths are handled, how emotional beats are handled like a disobedient toilet with a plunger in its mouth.

Is there any good here? Absolutely. A shortened schedule couldn’t interfere with the majesty of Ian McKellen’s genius as Magneto, every time he appears on screen it is as if all is great. Also, Patrick Stewart’s Professor X is perfection. When you’re tight on Kelsey Grammer’s Beast – he works wonders. I continue to be quite fond of Shawn Ashmore’s Bobby Drake – though I’d kill to see him actually ICEMAN out. Ya know? Icing up to deliver a headbutt is just lame to me. I like the CURE and how it fits into the previous two films as a story device for bringing Magneto and Xavier’s philosophies to a head to head battle.

HOWEVER… The Problems come here…

1) Wolverine. I’m a huge fan of Hugh Jackman and Wolverine in particular… but adding layer upon layer of cuddly cuteness to WOLVERINE is robbing him of his animalistic furor. Admittedly, Wolverine is a terrible PG-13 character. Though his short battle with Limb-Replacement Man is pretty awesome, for it’s basic gag value. But too often, that’s the point with Wolverine in this film. He’s a gag. A joke. The beginning of a scene that has a punch line exit for the character. Too often, it is Logan that is the butt of the joke. For me, Wolverine is best in Boba Fett doses. Flourishes of badassness, not Rhett Butler. Wolverine as a lovesick babysitter just isn’t nearly as cool as he ever was meant to be.

2) Storm. Halle Berry just grates with every line delivered. Her fight with Callisto had all the choreography of headless chickens fighting upon a red hot grill. It really is painful. Her character has, perhaps, more screentime than she’s ever had in the series to date. But lack of screentime was never Storm’s problem… rather, the lady playing her needed better direction. To be clued into who her character was. Her “street” talk is a sad departure from who she was just in the last film.

3) Cyclops. Anticlimactic doesn’t even begin to cover it. Cyclops always had the thankless task of being the guy who kept it together. He always reminded me of Gregory Peck in THE GUNS OF NAVARONE, a man that got the job done and always knew the danger of unrestrained power. His departure is done off-screen and just flaccid as hell. That they did the great, “Take off your glasses” scene… the “Open your eyes” moment… is nice, but that it didn’t have any of the build up or elegance. That they didn’t allow the moment to breathe… to set in. To be relished, before what they did here.

4) Beast. His political monkey side works for me, but I really dislike how all the acrobatics with him are handled. Close-up of his being upside down hanging reading just isn’t the same as pulling that camera back and seeing him enjoy his hanging upside down… rocking back and forth… or if his hair actually reacted to the gravity of his situation.. Or if during his fight scenes you actually saw something of what he was doing instead of it all being hidden in darkness due to the micro-schedule they had to shoot this sucker on.

5) Callisto and the tattoo bunch. LAME. Really is that simple.

The saddest thing to me is how there’s almost zero emotional development for any characters. When Moriarty said he felt it was surprising which characters died and which ones took the cure… Well, as I sat there… they knocked off pretty much exactly as you would figure. We all heard about two of the three major deaths. I hadn’t heard about the third one, but it was the nail in the coffin that fucking pissed me off. That that is the cinematic legacy of that particular character… it just pisses me off. And I know that that being pissed off comes from “knowing the comic” – but I honestly felt that if that was all they were going to do with that character, then they should have saved the storyline for the 2nd X-MEN trilogy.

This 1st Trilogy was about Xavier and Magneto and how they each chose to advance the cause of mutants in a human run world. The CURE is a perfect device to further play with that story. And had this third film just explored that storyline – without dragging in characters like Juggernaut, Phoenix or Callisto into the mix… well I feel the story could have been done wonderfully. Those cutaways to the mined story bits from other issues – just short changed what the central story for this film was. Making characters like Rogue painfully thin. There was no anguish in the decisions that had to be made. It was night and day.

The only character that I honestly kinda felt for was Rebecca Romijn’s Mystique. Her betrayal was honestly hurtful.

After the film – I saw Massawyrm tremblingly upset, Robogeek visibly annoyed, Quint yawning, Merrick’s dust. The regular audience… they were entertained.

The question of adaptation always comes up on films like these. The questioning of the adaptation process. You see… I don’t want Sentinels for Sentinels sake. It isn’t that it’s just a giant purple robot that Jack Kirby designed. That isn’t why I wanted to see them in the film. It was more about the idea of characters being hunted, captured. Hiding in shadows, being snatched out of their beds at night through roofs. It was about big things pursuing innocence. They certainly are not things to hide in shadows and never reveal. That’s the lamest way to handle them, and if that’s all your budget will allow… then DON’T SHOW THEM, CUZ THAT’S LAME.

You see – it isn’t that I think X-fans are dying to see a character called Phoenix on screen. Her character was perfectly described by Patrick Stewart’s character in his brief analysis of her… sadly – what he described was never shown. Famke was never asked to do those emotions… that range. The scenes were not there. For comic fans – Phoenix and the Phoenix saga isn’t just any story. It’s one of THE Marvel stories. This isn’t a plastic gumball ring of a story, this is the Tiffany’s Diamond Engagement ring. A story you either chose to tell in some sort of complete form… or not at all. That I never get to see the Phoenix force. That I never see the tormenting of her character, the confusion and mind-fucking of her. That we never see the scope of her abilities. That we never fully get to see the depth of her love with Cyclops. That all of that isn’t even really touched on. That she goes from resurrection to goon to the end… is just unforgivable. I truly truly truly hate how they treated it.

A friend asked me if I thought it was worth babysitting money for his wife and him to see it this weekend. I asked him if she and he cared about the characters and the story. His wife knew every issue, as did he. I recommended a matinee sometime during the week, next week. To pay to see this – during prime hours… to inflate Fox’s numbers. Frankly, I wouldn’t recommend it.

This was shoddy work as a whole. HOLLYWOOD REPORTER calls this the RETURN OF THE JEDI of the X-MEN saga. To me – it’s closer to ALIEN 3, minus that film’s style and ambition. This isn’t SUPERMAN III bad, it’s just a film that never was given the love and nourishment it needed to be complete or whole. It feels like a twitchy abused child of a film.

Brett Ratner could have made a better film had he had better time to acquaint himself with the material, better time to hone the material with the writers and the freedom to actually listen to the writers instead of the knuckleheads in charge of that studio.

That said… Wolverine versus Antler-Knife Throwing Man was kinda cool for a little bit. And Huggy Porcupine Boy is a riot. They came right out of Mighty Marvel's NOT BRAND ECHH ishes... If only waterhose Stan had become FORBUSH MAN this could've been something. If you don’t ask for much from your X-MEN movies and you don’t know the characters… this will serve you well. If you give a shit – that’s what you’re gonna get… by the double handful.

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  • May 24, 2006, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I knew that Bratner/LordoftheRatsner/Ratfink./Ratfucker

    by seppukudkurosawa

    wouldn't deliver. And it wasn't any strange bias. Thanks for the vindication Harry, I trust ya.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Come on now

    by Kayas

  • May 24, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Glad this isn't a Ratner burning....

    by Andy Dufresne

    ...cos he's a good film maker. I'll see it tomorrow night, but this sounds like Terminator 3: Fine, if you didn't know how great Terminator could and has been before.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Wasn't expecting this

    by shalashaska

    eh i'll see it anyway.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST

    It's a sad day when not even spoilers can phase me.

    by Rotlover

    The whole trilogy was a mess that got progressively worse. How fitting that X3 is the final nail in the turd coffin.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Although, that being said...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Harry's review did sound like the crazed 2am ramblings of someone who might just have drunk one too many brandy coffees. I think I relate to Moriarty's descriptions of its good-points better than Harry's put-downs, which seemed to fit in perfectly with Vern's descriptions of anal uber-geeks. I think I get what Harry's saying though, the first two films- particularly the second- were just plain watchable and well-made, and this one looks like it's gonna be mediocre. No matter how much I hear about Bratner studying Singer's style with a microscope and trying to replicate it, it still looks like it'll be watered-down, or just plain botched. The things that I thought were gonna be good (Xavier, Beast and Magneto) still seem good, and the things that I figured were gonna be bad (too many cooks doing their broth-spoiling thing, Serenity-style gratuitous deaths, U-rated Wolverine) ended up being in Harry's list of criticisms. So let's hope this will be a lesson for the studios that the finished product means more than the deadline...if worst comes to worst just wait until the next Summer to release the movie, at least then it'll actually be ready!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Couldn't have expected any more..

    by mmm_free_wig

    ..from Harry's review.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:05 a.m. CST

    I'm actually kinda glad, you've liked a lot of shit lat

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    ...ely, so maybe it might actually be good.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    by RangerLee

    Despite this review i'd still rather see this than that mess Singers putting together and i actually prefer the superman comics to xmen. Seems to me all the reviews have been out to get this while forgiving Superman for ALL of its flaws.good to see ratners not getting the brunt of the flack as well.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    People have been too kind to this movie

    by zikade zarathos

    The type of film that makes a person give it a 5/10 even though they've numerically graded a movie before in their entire lives. Everything about it screams, "This scene could've been GREAT! It's not though, so suck it." UGH! Infuriating, really. They dump-truck in about a thousand cameos and wink-wink-nudge nudges to try and make it worthwhile, but it's just not worth the time. Save your gas money, folks and wait for the USA debut.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Excellent analysis Harry

    by TJ50

    Thanks so much for your excellent analysis Harry ; I agree with all your comments.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Well gee, wasn't that surprisng....

    by Paul T. Ryan

    Gosh! Harry Knowles, who has gone out of his way to tear this film down from day one, goes into the screening determined not to like X3, and therefore he doesn't. I really long for the day Harry finally makes a movie of his own and then cries foul when some website starts running his movie down before they've even seen it.... Then again Harry loved Episode One and hates the new Battlestar Galactica. I guess that means I'm going to love X3!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Get An Editor!

    by Crash Crator

    "...if you know nothing about the PHOENIX saga and if early 1980

  • May 24, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST

    That review was written last June

    by Monkeybrains

    Just certain details were added to update it. Otherwise someone would have had to do the biggest 180 in the history of the world. "hmm, say I was wrong or say I told you so? Tough choice"

  • May 24, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST

    Here's the problem...

    by Darth Thoth

    I AM an X-Men comic geek. I LOVE these characters and I want to see them done right on the screen. I thought X1 was a good movie. I thought X2 was a classic. From all the reviews I've read (from positive to negative) I think what I can expect is a basic movie that is "acceptable" at best. A summer movie. The problem is the X-Men universe is so rich to just get a "summer movie" level out of a 3rd film is sad. I will be there on Friday but I think I know what to expect. Thanks Harry for the review. Lastly, I'm glad Ratner is not getting chewed on this. It's not his fault, however this turns out. In fact, I credit him with more "good" from this than bad because the amount of time given to produce this movie was unfair to any director. I'm sure Ratner has done a good job especially considering what he was given to work with regarding production time. In sum, I literally can't wait to see this movie and judge for myself. Hoping for the best but prepared for the worst.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST

    I'll be there Friday, in spite of this "review"

    by zekmoe

    I agree with Vern, that you shouldn't have to have 20 years of research before attending a movie. Being critical of a movie for what it is, and being critical for a movie for what it COULD have been are two different things. Every movie under the sun COULD have been better according to someone somewhere. I'm sure this is a great, summer popcorn movie. It's getting pretty good reviews outside of here as well. I hope it does a ton of boxoffice to insure the future of superhere movies. Harry is just trying to kill them it seems.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Ratner is a better cinematic director than Singer

    by Darth Fart

    Look at the Ratner films, they look big, larger than life - they look cinematic! Now watch a Singer film, they look like glorified television episodes. Singer has better story skills than Ratner. Surround Ratner with talent and you'll see a cinematic feast unfortunately X-Men 3 is a studio meddling mess.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:30 a.m. CST

    You know that you're in the middle of a big AICN Event

    by seppukudkurosawa

    ...when all the Darths start cropping-up in the talkback.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Negative Agenda as expected

    by Vitaly Chernobyl

    Believe "Moriarty"'s review, not this example of self-delusion. While X3 was by no means a perfect film, it is exactly in the spirit of the other two movies and for anyone who enjoyed them, this will be a great trip to the cinema. One bad effects shot is not sufficient reason to attack a movie. They had already cut Wolverine's balls off in the first two movies when he is constantly being beaten up by Sabretooth and Lady Deathstrike. The emotional moments work very well - the Dark Phoenix moments contain sufficient menace and this gives the movie a heightened sense of danger. They also service the movies in that while the comics may have a ridiculously extended cast of characters, the movies cannot and there is a definite progression for the characters. This is another perfect example of people's inability to look beyond there own anticipation for a movie - Vampires and Werewolves in the Matrix anyone?

  • May 24, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST

    It's not our fault you know so much about X-men Harry

    by Orionsangels

    Knowing every detail about every character in X-men just hurts your experience. If you were a casual X-men fan who never read an X-men comic. You might like this movie. Like Ebert & Roeper

  • May 24, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST

    This is the worst summer ever!!!

    by all

    From lame M:I, bad poseidon to shitty mutants, goofy superman and a disney action flick... I'll have to get a hobby or something.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Ebert quote X3 "the water man fights the fire guy"

    by Orionsangels

    Hahaha! See, these are the people this movie is geared towards, not you comic geeks.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I really like Harry very much...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...Some would say, in a SPECIAL way. And I agree with that Rothman stuff, but that sort of thing happens during the production of movies ALL THE TIME. Look at all the honest and open "making-of" documentaries out there, there's always some beaurocratic cunt ready to totally fuck up a franchise, but it looks like the cast and crew managed to steady the ship despite this idiotic despot's tsunami. I LIKE that this franchise ends here, on a high. That really doesn't bother me. I think Harry's review is a little coloured by his knowledge of the history of this film's production, and I haven't read any of the Talkbacks preceding this one, but I suspect there are many messages above with the same sentiment.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Fox Has A Beer And Cheets On The X-Men Franchise...

    by Hell's Cigarette

  • May 24, 2006, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Harry's right, it's emotionless

    by Mister McClane

    X3 has none of the heart and soul of the first two films. I sat there at a preview on Monday and while I enjoyed the in-jokes and smart references to the comics, the characters felt like paper-thin versions of who we'd come to love. And yes, Cyclops fate was outrageous. You weren't even sure what had happened to him at first, and then someone almost says in passing that he's dead. What?! Team leader for fucks sake, and no-one gives a shit!!! And why was there NO mention of Nightcrawler at all? He was a character the audience was heavily invested in from X2, he even opened the bloody film with possibly the coolest scene. The fighting scenes in X3 were clumsy, all that wire work was dreadful. 'Superman Returns' is gonna raise the wire work bar SO HIGH. If you've seen the rigs set up in the making of movies, you just know there's gonna be some awesome flying manoeuvers. 'The Last Stand' is possibly the most frustrating film I've seen for a long time, because there's some really good ideas and moments in there, but it's so by the numbers, I came out just feeling pretty flat. X1 had me whooping for more. X2 left me feeling exhilarated. X3 makes me wants Fox to leave the franchise alone.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Unfortunately, Rothman is only interested in one thing:

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    Making Fox lots and lots and lots of MONEYYYYYYY!!! Usually thanks to a well put-together ad campaign. Making a good film doesn't come into it.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:02 a.m. CST

    WHAT! Harry Hated X3? Now who's really surprised... umm

    by The Founder

    NO PHUCKING ONE!! Harry has a right to his opinion, but I don't agree with him. It's true that FOX could've made a better movie with more time instead of trying to beat WB and Singer out. I just thoughtthat was foolish because no way was X3 going to beat Superman at the box office. I knew going into this Dark Phoneix saga or Phoenix that it wasn't going to be no where nar like the comics. Yeah it would have been cool if the Hellfire Club played a part in the PS, but they didn't. I just can't rely on Harry's opinons because of his past record. I'll still be seeing the movie, and while I'm going to be pissed over how FOX pissed over the source material and changed shyt, I can accept and look at this as a alternate universe, just like with X1 and X2.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST

    IMO Alien3 is the best of the trilogy

    by Reelheed

    once you get over the old "its not how it was in the comics" if i can do that with X3 maybe I'll like it. Worth a shot.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST

    No suprise Harry didn't like it-his hate from day one

    by warpspasm

    for this movie was staggering-scary actually. i guess the aicn Superman wankfest is about to go into overdrive.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:27 a.m. CST

    You have a point, Harry, with the way they handled Jean

    by WannaBePoser

    It's great material for a trilogy all its own. Can't wait to see this so I can form my own opinion. I'm still trusting Moriarity. I do think that by killing off a big character you open up a hole for another to take over. Then you run with their story and maintain continuity within the films only. You have to discard comic continuity in order for the movies to work...and a lot of the "movie fans" don't give a hoot anyway.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST

    And no prequels with this franchise

    by WannaBePoser

    at least not for a few films. Take the story forward. Evolve the conflict with new characters and plots. Keep Wolverine a main character for another film or two.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST

    AICN were given access because...

    by nomihs

    AICN saw this film after an agreement with FOX to "tone down their attack on director Brett Ratner and focus on other reasons why this movie will not please the core fanbase" of these films. An inside source at FOX claims the studio is afraid that the readers of AICN will have lasting, negative effects on X3 and future FOX films. This source, who is still working at the FOX studios, continues to report rumors of a FOX shakeup and that they will continue to produce these lackluster comic to film adapts for, at least, the next 2 years.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Re: It's not how it was in the comics


    I'm not a stickler. It doesn't drive me crazy that Hank is apparently the first X-man and not Scott. That ANGEL is the newest X-men at the end of this film. That Colossus doesn't seem to have a Russian accent and is apparently super strong even when unarmored. I don't care about those things. I'm not griping about costume changes. However - to take one of the great comic book story arcs... regarding a character that screamed to be translated into cinema like Phoenix and to... not have her have the Phoenix force, to never form flame, to never create that awesome flame bird as she rises into the sky... to basically have her just turning people into BLADE ash vampires... to give her next to NO DIALOGUE at all - and turn her into a complete NON-CHARACTER... That I kinda get perterbed over. I'm not asking for Kree battles and a death on the moon. I don't think she had to be reborn after destroying the island mutant creature. I'm just saying that upon seeing her in THIS film... where an additional character like her wasn't really needed... it's a waste of greater future material... and to just shoot that load now... it'd be like masturbating 3 times before the wedding night. What were they fucking thinking? But fine. Attack me. I'm the bad guy for saying they wasted what could have been far greater material in a future film, but just tossing it away as an after thought in an over-stuffed, SHORT Xmen movie.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:38 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg


  • May 24, 2006, 3:38 a.m. CST

    Re: Nomih's above post


    I've had ZERO contact with Fox. AICN has had ZERO dealings with Fox. Only contact I've had with folks on X-Men was an hour long conversation with Hugh Jackman when he called me up from the set of his Chris Nolan pic.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:41 a.m. CST

    I feel you Harry

    by Darth Thoth

    You know I got your back on this one kid. I'm really scared about what I'm going to see come Friday.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    nomihs sounds awfully like

    by seppukudkurosawa

    a certain individual who pops up with a different username every now and then, and matter of factly states how Harry uses AICN to promote his evil agendas.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Where are the Batman: Dead End style fan flicks?

    by Shermdawg

    Hopefully this mess will inspire folks to make some. *crosses fingers*

  • May 24, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Harry, you know what? That would make a killer contest.

    by Shermdawg

  • May 24, 2006, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Personally - I feel Moriarty gave this film a pass


    I got a letter from Mr Beaks earlier tonight that said he'd been struggling with his review because he was thinking of just giving X3 a pass, but that he can't argue with a single thing I say in my review, that this is a BAD movie - and just because he likes the ideas and the promise that some of the ideas had in this movie (which were never delivered mind you) he was going to just let it walk on. If you read Mori's review... he forgives shoddy action cuz of their tight time considerations. He's understanding of the obsticles - and how much worse it could have been... mainly because he's been talking with people involved in the film that gave him that perspective. I absolutely admire the adversity that all had to do. making a passable film with Tom Rothman as your exec is pretty fucking next to impossible. Ask most Genre directors that have worked with Fox. BUT THAT'S NO EXCUSE for giving a movie a free pass. My bet is that this movie will get quite a few free passes from fans, but that after it sits and the sheer excitement of just a new Xmen movie wanes... and you realize you haven't gone back for that second showing... and it hits the discount screens and you didn't see it there. And on that hotel trip, you don't order it for your in-room entertainment, instead vying for ASIANS LOVE SAUSAGES IV... then some will begin to realize that they didn't really like that movie. That it didn't sit well.... Having said that - SUPERMAN RETURNS still has a lot to prove. Is Brandon Routh a good actor. I haven't a clue? That's the key to the whole film and we've yet to see him play a scene. It's something to be concerned about. But that's a different film that none of us have seen yet.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    I tried to rent this the other day, but you can't imagine the shock I had in store for me when I rented ASIAN LOVE SAUSAGES by accident!

  • May 24, 2006, 4:07 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Well, at least you didn&#39;t end up with ASIAN LOVE SNAUSAGES like me! >_<

  • May 24, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST

    I suspect with some harsh this review might make sense

    by BendersShinyAss

    I&#39;ll give it another read in a few minutes

  • May 24, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST

    Value of Harry&#39;s reviews

    by CaseyMcCall

    After the positive reviews on Doom and Running Scares, for instance, studios are eagerly waiting for Harry to be negative...

  • May 24, 2006, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Re: Harry and seppukudkurosawa...

    by nomihs

    Harry, first off, I believe you that AICN has had ZERO dealings with FOX on X3. I think that AICN was given a fair shake at the chance to review this film. Second...Did your conversation with Hugh Jackman include "Stop bashing Brett Ratner or I will never let talk to you again?" Heh, I&#39;m just kidding. You don&#39;t have to tell me. Unless you want to.<<<>>> Okay, and seppukudkurosawa you don&#39;t mind if I call you just plain "sep" do you? it&#39;s just easier for me. Anyway, Sep, I am not "a certain individual" to which you refer to. I have never matter of factly stated anything in my life. So far as Harry using AICN to promote anything, other than whatever the hell he feels like promoting because "HE&#39;S HARRY KNOWLES BITCH.", has zero to do with my earlier post. I enjoy a good conspiracy theory just as much as the next guy. Keep up those evil agendas Harry, as long as they make you rich, happy and full <BTW sorry for the sad use of Chappelle humor, I am watching "Inside the Actor&#39;s Studio" and Dave is hamming it up with James Lipton. And who would know it, James is keeping pace with Dave.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Casey - for what it&#39;s worth

    by Massawyrm 1

    I gave negative reviews to both Doom & Running Scared...and I agree with Harry almost 100%. My review should be up shortly.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST


    by CaseyMcCall

    Ever since Ratner took over, this site had it in for X3, and well, if you want a movie to suck, it will. (And people here, despite saying they&#39;re big comic fans and whatever, wanted this to suck BIGTIME)

  • May 24, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Sweet how men excuse Berry&#39;s bad acting innit?

    by elab49

    Bad direction - that&#39;s a new one. Get over it - having seen the preview for this the problem is she delivers lines and fights as poorly as the in the worst Bond of Brosnan&#39;s reign. She is an astonishingly beautiful woman - her acting talent doesn&#39;t match. But most critics have dicks - and they need to explain their obsessions credibly so pretend she can. The film was a mess - stories seemed to start and just hang in the background - how insignificant did they make the most powerful mutant to walk the earth?!? Shove to the side to get on with the meaningful part and a pathetic love story. How dumb do the execs think the audience is? They seemed to treat this as a lame date movie half the time with remarkably little intelligence. I hate it when I get disappointed with films I&#39;m looking forward to. But this was kinda mediocre - I agree with McKellen/Stewart. BUt the rest? :(

  • May 24, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Sep&#39;s cool with me

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Fair enough Nomihs, sorry to peg you down wrong. I was talking about the artist formerly known as Thrall, who&#39;s apparently some Producer with a big anti-Harry grudge. From what I hear, Thrall likes the Asian Love Sherm looks mighty Thrally to me. Or maybe Harry&#39;s Thrall. Or Pazuzu. ;-) But I think you&#39;ve got a good point, Harry should sign off all his reviews from now on with the words "BECAUSE I&#39;M HARRY KNOWLES BITCH".

  • May 24, 2006, 4:26 a.m. CST

    And in the category of...

    by CatVutt

    Most Telegraphed Negative Review Ever...sorry, but I&#39;m not even reading this. When you expend so much energy slamming something before it even comes to fruition, you just can&#39;t be expected to be taken seriously. Maybe it does suck, but I can&#39;t be bothered to read this review.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    If Harry really was Fox/Ratner&#39;s shill

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Then he&#39;d have deleted that atrocious first post, the douchebag who wrote that should be strung-up by their balls and made to watch Money Talks on repeat until they say the words, "I was wrong Ratner is a genius. And Chris Tucker wasn&#39;t an annoying helium-voiced dipshit".

  • May 24, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    That&#39;s a shock

    by KCMOSHer

    I agree with Harry 100% on a film and disagree with Mori. That&#39;s kind of backwards. I haven&#39;t seen the film, and just plain refuse to on principle alone, but Harry validates every single thing I&#39;ve said about the movie. You can&#39;t destroy one of the greatest stories ever told (not comic stories, STORIES) and expect to walk away with a fan base that will eat out of your hand like tame puppies the next time you try to foist a franchise on us. The attitude of Marvel and Fox is clearly that we do not matter, and I think they&#39;re very, very wrong. I think the box office returns will display that. You just can&#39;t idly destroy some of fiction&#39;s greatest iconic characters without a backlash from the multitudes who love those characters.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:43 a.m. CST

    If you come to this site for the reviews....

    by MKiro

    ...rather than the news, then you are better visiting the EW site, or even In fairness, they do have some good people - Vern and Massawyrm(sp?) for two, but for a long time it&#39;s been obvious that Harry&#39;s views are coloured by preconceptions, ego and which particular film studio/executive/director he loves/hates that week (oh, and Tarantino gets a free pass for EVERYTHING he is involved with). Moriarty is subjective in the extreme and wears his shoulder-chip proudly. Stick to the news, guys... or at least just let the &#39;objective&#39; reviewers have their say. Perhaps if you DID spend more time on the news, then this site would be restored to what it was in its heyday. Oh...and Harry, you still haven&#39;t apologised for the &#39;THE SCHOOL&#39;/Peckinpah piece you wrote a couple of weeks back (check out the TB on that!)

  • May 24, 2006, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I hope the movie ends up on youtube, I&#39;d laugh

    by andrew coleman

    Anyone defending this movie obviously works for Fox, so shut up seriously. Everyone knows this will be bad but see it anyway because what else is there to see? Thank God Marvel has there own studio now so Fox can go blow itself once it destroys F42 they won&#39;t have much left except for AVP2 and 24 the movie. I also would like to vent about how horrible this summer is for movies. About twelves or more comedies, just as many family films. A "meh" Superman and Pirates movie. Wow the fact that I am more pumped up for Miami Vice and Snakes on a Plane is a really bad thing.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:59 a.m. CST



    you&#39;ve given positive reviews to some of the most craptastic movies ever, so save the self-righteousness.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:04 a.m. CST

    it&#39;s a 3 star movie

    by DirkD13"

    and so was the first, although the second deserves four purely for that stunning opening sequence. Never read the comics so i&#39;m not fussed about any changes, but i&#39;m glad that Ratner&#39;s not taking the hits, he&#39;s certainly no Jeremiah Chechik now is he.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:05 a.m. CST

    Face it everyone.

    by mrfan

    FOX messed up. Ratner messed up. The script was messed up. Everyone is to blame for this movie. They tried to cram everything in this one way too fast. Giving in to demands for a certain lady that shouldn&#39;t have won an Oscar was another hit to it. Should have shown her the door and replaced her. The X-Men could have been a great francise. Different characters for different films. So many stories to tell. What a waste. I am still going to see this movie. I hope to at least catch a glimmer of my merry mutants in some positive form. So much potential. Another turd from FOX. Thanks FOX.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:07 a.m. CST

    BaltimoreJack - a true enough statement to some

    by Massawyrm 1

    I simply found it interesting that they brought up two specific films that Harry and I disagreed on - but we agree here. No self-righteousness, simply pointing out my agreement with that particular person on their taste on two seperate films.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:27 a.m. CST


    by gonzobob

    Ok, so Harry does&#39;nt like what they did to a really good saga, but its still gonna get arses on seats over the weekend. I never really read the comics growing up, but I thought the first two movies were entertaining enough.Sounds like this one will appeal to a wider audience and not just the comic fans. Whether thats a good thing or not, we will have to wait and see I suppose.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:38 a.m. CST

    The question of the weekend will be:

    by Serious Black

    is X3 more enjoyable than The Duuuhhhh Vinci Code? And if X3 is not rewatchable, would anyone pay to see da vinci again?

  • May 24, 2006, 5:43 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

  • May 24, 2006, 5:52 a.m. CST


    by MKiro

    How old are you? Four?????

  • May 24, 2006, 6:03 a.m. CST

    Harry & Massawyrm

    by Napolean Solo

    You should pull out from answering these dicks on the talkback. Post back if you like, but to address the penisbrained nonse&#39;s that spew nothing but uninformed negativity is deeming too much importance upon an irrelavent point of view. To insult a review having not seen the movie in question is beyond stupid.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:03 a.m. CST

    here is an idea.....

    by emeraldboy

  • May 24, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s funny, I expected this review from Harry

    by Trazadone

    He&#39;s been telegraphing his disdain for this film for a long time for some bizarre reason. Given his heavy bias going into it, I can&#39;t for one second give this dissertation any credibility. It&#39;s always strange when Harry picks out a film to hate even when it&#39;s in pre-production.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:14 a.m. CST

    i&#39;m seeing this in about 1 hour from now...

    by DarthBakpao

    i hope it is good

  • May 24, 2006, 6:18 a.m. CST

    here is an idea....

    by emeraldboy

    why dont they, hollywood, stop making films altogehter. In that way, there would be no need for so-called critics like harry spewing his volcanic bile upon all films. Despite harry&#39;s moronic, one-sided and pathetic attempt to get people not to see this, people will and i can guarantee, that people will have a blast. you see more and more people are turning their backs on what the critics say, take the da vinci code, the media wrote this off and yet this has grossed 224 million world wide. I read Harry&#39;s mi3 review and the fact that he compared himself to Cruise was laughable in the extreme. I think this site should get a moderator, to tone down the homophobic and utterly comtemptable racist language on this site. I hope this make over a hundred million and that harry eats humble pie by walking naked down a street in his beloved austen texas. wishing a film to fail shows up how harry has utterly failed to mature as a film critic. god help penthouse....

  • May 24, 2006, 6:27 a.m. CST

    "god help penthouse...."

    by Shermdawg

    God help Penthouse indeed, have you seen it lately?

  • May 24, 2006, 6:49 a.m. CST

    does it sill have naked ladies and

    by emeraldboy

    whipped cream. I seem to remember, happy mondays edited it for a day.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Saw it. Liked it better than the first two...

    by stlfilmwire

    Although Harry is right about a bunch of stuff, I have to still say that this one was much better than the other two X-Men movies. Ratner did OK. Singer as an action director? I am still not completely sold on that yet. I hope Superman Returns proves me wrong. If Superman sucks, then I hope Singer thinks about going back to films like Apt Pupil and Usual Suspects. Or better yet, he could go in a NEW direction.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m still pissed off that...

    by Halloween68

    There&#39;s no Nightcrawler. That was the highlight of X2 for that glorious opening scene. From all any one&#39;s saying so far, it sounds like he didn&#39;t make the cut this time around. I like The Beast character in the comics. But he was never half as interesting as Nightcrawler. Plus, you know it&#39;s a cool character when there&#39;s a Judas Priest song named after him. (I know it&#39;s not really...but is "Night Crawler")

  • May 24, 2006, 7:07 a.m. CST

    " The regular audience - they were entertained."

    by board shitlez

    So who are the regular audience? The poor stumbling morons who don&#39;t run internet film sites? I wish I was more like you guys, then I could actually spot when a film was crap.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST

    HARRY! damnit man!

    by Holodigm

    interview with hugh over the prestige? how could you tease us like that!? i&#39;m desperate to find out more about prestige. post it! post it! post it!

  • May 24, 2006, 7:16 a.m. CST

    "Now, if you have never read an X-MEN comic..."

    by Bean_

    "...if you know nothing about the PHOENIX saga and if early 1980

  • May 24, 2006, 7:19 a.m. CST

    These are the summer tent pole movies? Oy-vey!

    by Orbots Commander

    Only big ones left are a dopey looking Superman, a CGI cartoon (Cars), and an admittedly pretty good looking family adventure movie, PTOC 2. But geez, talk about lackluster.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Uh-huh Harry... yeah...

    by Frijole

    This is so ridiculously transparent. You went into this movie (especially after Moriarty and Vern&#39;s very very positive reviews) determined to save face after your months and months of spilled vitriol. You&#39;re like a big fat pane of glass, man. I knew that you wouldn&#39;t let this movie alone. Your geek glasses have jizz on them from Abominable and your mutual back patting session with Rodriguez and Roth and Tarantino... but you don&#39;t fool me. Either your state of mind and perception is forever tainted as a result or you&#39;re just being a (insert random witty 3-4 word expletive phrase here) You disliked this movie so much that you&#39;re going see it multiple times JUST for further ammunition so you don&#39;t look like a dildo for being a hypocrite all year (your attacks on anyone with anything bad to say about Superman Returns in the face of all your ginger bile towards this movie was a great irony). I think it&#39;s beyond funny how you backslide and suck up to Ratner in this review too and give your lashings out elsewhere... YOU are the one who flat out called him a hack in a previous news article on X3(a huge steaming pile of hypocricy too... considering out of all the movie&#39;s of his that you had reviewed on the site at that point, over half of them had positive notices from you- with one or two SPECIFICALLY praising the direction... so to come out and call the man a HACK after that is just fucking stupid- and makes you look like a total ass with a vendetta and an agenda...) Long story short. I&#39;m not giving this movie a free pass either and I remain cautiously optimistic. But I don&#39;t for a single second trust this review.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the reviews

    by wessmith1966

    I&#39;ll see this film regardless, but thanks for the interviews; keeps my expectations low. I kind of figured Fox would destroy the Phoenix Saga. And, as the first two movies showed, they could care less about Cyclops&#39; character. If an "A" list actor would have played the part and a certain beautiful Academy Award winning actress in the cast...maybe Cyclops would have received his due in the films. I know I&#39;ll enjoy the film, because it&#39;s seeing the X-Men on the big screen, but I&#39;ll be disappointed at the missed opportunites for Fox to really set the bar. This film should have been a war between Prof X/Magneto over Jean. The cure crap shouldn&#39;t have even been involved. It would have been a terrific trilogy. It&#39;s really a shame; the suits at Fox could have had a $300 million movie, but this will probably hit closer to $175 million.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST

    "We had more time to make this than WOTW"---AVI ARAD

    by masheen81

    Where&#39;s Avi in all of this?? "See you fuckers on the SPIDER-MAN 3 set..."

  • May 24, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    This movie needs more Chris Tucker

    by c4andmore

    The annoying fuck that ruined The 5th Element

  • May 24, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    And no offense to Mass...

    by Frijole

    He and I have had words in previous threads, but I like the guy and enjoy his reviews. However, I&#39;m becoming increasingly aware that I rarely actually agree with him on his reviews (hey, I can enjoy the writing and effort in a review that I don&#39;t mosey up to on an opinion level) so I&#39;m not buying into his backup of Knowles either. To be fair, I&#39;ve read negative reviews elsewhere that didn&#39;t piss me off and that made me say "Yeah, I can see where that wouldn&#39;t translate and might turn me off" (or whatever) so it isn&#39;t that I&#39;m averse to this movie being critisized or that I want so much to like it that I have blinders on. But I still don&#39;t trust Harry on this any further than I can throw him.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Chris Tucker

    by Frijole

    ...was fantastic in the Fifth Element. What the heck are you on about?

  • May 24, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Phoenix Saga...One of the greatest stories...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    What the hell? you think that&#39;s one of the greatest stories ever told? 90% of it doesn&#39;t make any god damned sense, and I CBF learning why it should. But everyone still misses an important point that I like to bring up. It&#39;s a movie, watch it, don&#39;t watch it, it&#39;s your choice. Personally I love hearing all the reasons why people won&#39;t watch a movie, it&#39;s funny as all get-out. And whoever said if you go into a movie determined not to like it, you won&#39;t like it, spot on. People do see what they want to see in everything they see. I mean, some people out there think Paris Hilton is attractive...

  • May 24, 2006, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    And in 12 hours from now I&#39;ll be sitting in my favourite cinema watching this movie, not caring what anyone else, be it moriarty, or harry, or vern, or george jones from three houses down, has had to say about it.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:59 a.m. CST

    So does this mean it&#39;s not as brilliant as Aeon Flux?

    by Mr. Profit


  • May 24, 2006, 8 a.m. CST

    or you could review the movie that they DID make

    by HypeEndsHere

    and not compare it to the one you had in your head going in. oh, and since when is Bryan Singer the second coming? Usual Suspects was looong time ago.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST

    I love early 80s HK wirework, Harry

    by Doctor_Sin

    And so should you. Because it&#39;s cool and the stories rock and they&#39;re *fun*. This just sounds like something to rent the Extended Cut DVD when it comes out (and no doubt it will).

  • May 24, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    4 words for why I never trust Harry&#39;s reviews:

    by Uncooked_Meat


  • May 24, 2006, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Oh man, and I just bought 8 tickets for my friends.

    by zerogundamx

    Oh wait this is Harry&#39;s review, and he whines about shit I&#39;ve known full well about for at least two months. Jesus, this is not the comics, and the first fucking two X-Men films were not the comics either. Stop your bitching because we all know you&#39;ve had it out for this film since day one. I still can&#39;t wait to see this film even though I&#39;m a huge Cyclops fan and fully understand what the fuck they did, but again, THIS IS NOT the comics. Cyclops of the films was a waste BECAUSE OF BRYAN SINGER and this was to be expected. Wolverine became front and center hero since the very first X-Men film, so don&#39;t lay that on Ratner for continuing the tradition instead of making the movie your retarded fanboy brain wanted to see.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Sounds like its...

    by Kid Z

    ... Brett Ratmacher!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:40 a.m. CST

    If it weren&#39;t for the Bond analogy at the beginning...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I might&#39;ve lent some creedence to the rest of Harry&#39;s review. But that analogy is far too telling of what Harry&#39;s real problem with this film is. It&#39;s not that it wasn&#39;t a decent enough film on its own. It&#39;s that it&#39;s the last one and there&#39;s still so much he wanted to see from the X-Universe on film. I can understand that. I really can. But he&#39;s channeling his resentment over having the the theme park closed before he could ride all the rides into a overly negative review where he really doesn&#39;t criticize much of what&#39;s there. Instead, he complains about what isn&#39;t there. And it bothers him much more because he knows these things won&#39;t get covered in future films. You can&#39;t talk about how a film is merely serviceable and not Superman II bad and then call it two handfuls of shit. Even Superman II was only one handful of shit, at most. I&#39;m sorry, Harry...but you shot yourself in the foot on this one, and I&#39;m going to see it based on Moriarty&#39;s and Vern&#39;s well as my desire to see some closure for this self-contained X-verse that has given me some genuine movie joy over the past two films.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST

    And just think...we used to think Warner&#39;s was nuts..

    by Lost Skeleton

    Marvel has to be in mourning for letting Fox take gigantic dumps on both of their crown jewels (X-men and FF4) At least FF2 can only get better after that turd laid last year but to have the X franchise end like this is just plain sad. The truly amazing point is that this flick is going to make all kinds of cash that will just encourage Rothman to make crap for craps sake. Fuck you Rothman and fuck you Fox!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Among the many typos and grammatical flubs...

    by Childe Roland my above post, the one I feel the most need to correct is the Superman II reference. Harry mentioned Superman III, which is what I was referring to as well (it was a single bag of shit at most, with Pryor actually being quite amusing through much of it). Oddly enough, I&#39;m not terribly fond of most of Superman II (the superpowered street fight being its only real redeeming quality), so I guess that might&#39;ve been a Freudian-type slip on my part. The misspelling of "creedence"," however, and the use of "a" in front of a word starting with a vowel were just lazy mistakes on my part and I apologize.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    I liked watching Harry make out with Peter Parker

    by DigitalDong

    That was funny. God bless Robot Chicken.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:50 a.m. CST

    If they&#39;re gonna adapt comics into film

    by Doctor_Sin

    They need to seriously lay off any oblique references to established comic story-arcs/sagas. I&#39;ve never read this &#39;Dark Phoenix&#39; stuff, but it seems to pepper every review. LIke I said a few days ago, Ratner&#39;s balls were sweating. He was under pressure to deliver this studio-created monster asap. He&#39;s a decent enough workmanlike director. Even he can&#39;t salvage crap that has been created beyond his control.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Has Fox ever advertised on this site

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    If not, or if they have stopped, then maybe that&#39;s the fuel for all this hostility

  • May 24, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s a crime to make such a bad X3 !

    by Celsius

    And the previous films were good, how hard is it to follow the process ? It was all there, all the director and his crew had to do was follow the template. They must have been dumb asses !

  • May 24, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    X-Men 3: License to suck !

    by Hardman

  • May 24, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    OK I realize I bring this up EVERY time

    by beefywhore

    We get a bad review from Harry on a flick that he&#39;s been prepping us for a bad review for over a year... but remember when we got a smashing review of Godzilla, and two days later (when his readers started questioning his integrity) he said he was overwhelmed by the Hollywood treatment and Oh by the way I guess the movie did suck after all...? Remember when we got a borderline positive review of the coat-hanger-abortion that was Renny Harlins Exorcist sequel? Sure he had his issues with it, but over-all he said it had its good points. Harry, I&#39;m sure you are a nice enough fellow, and I&#39;m always happy to hear (over and over and over again) that you have a woman and are representing for fat guys everywhere. I even appreciate the forum you&#39;ve created here... But I just don&#39;t trust your opinion. You have outstanding contacts, and many times get information to the fans ins a timely manner, but you wouldn&#39;t know a good movie from a bad movie if they were wearing nametags.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Also on the Bond analogy

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    If I remember correctly AICN has been complaining that they shouldn&#39;t stop the series now and instead they should keep churning out more X-Men movies. Well if they do what Bond has done and what Star Trek did for a while, which is churn out movies every few years, then the public will lose interest and each movie will be a steady decline from the previous one. Look what Batman did. They waited a while and then re-booted and turned out Batman Begins. I can give X-Men a few years off and then come back for a re-boot a few years from now. X1 and X2 are not masterpieces to be held up against. Nothing about the movies stood out other than the fact that they weren&#39;t too gimmicky.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    "regular audience"

    by smutpeddlar

    its times like these i am glad to be part of the "regular audience" i have never read an X men comic, all i care about is..does the movie kick ass as a movie or not?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Harry&#39;s Godzilla review is missing?

    by Doctor_Sin

    I can&#39;t find it in the archives anywhere. Hmmm...

  • May 24, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    It wouldn&#39;t be that hard

    by Spaz_Monkey

    ... to make the Phoenix Saga. Movies 3 & 4. 3 starts with a recap of Jean&#39;s death. Scott can&#39;t deal with it, and keeps hearing her voice in his head. Introduce some elements of the HEllfire Club, with &#39;undercover x-man&#39; Warren Worthington III as a member in good standing. ***** While on Cerebro, Prof X detects a mutant of extreme power. He & X-Men go to investigate, and discover a re-born Jean Gray, now known as Phoenix. She spends the movie dealing with her new powers, and how they&#39;re threatening to take her over. ***** After Warren is discovered to be an X-Man, he is abducted by the Hellfire Club. Some other X-Men go to rescue him, and are defeated in short order. Jean, Scott & Logan go to make the rescue. Wolvie has his legendary sewer fight with the Hellions. Scott is taken down while fighting to rescue the others X-men. Jean sees this and snaps, and blasts the Hellfire Club to bits. We see the building explode, the Phoenix effect erupting from the building. ***** The x-men are laid to rest in Central Park. they revive. "Phoenix, you saved us, but what did you do?" says Scott, seeing the devestation of the HF Club. "You&#39;ve got it wrong, Scott. The Phoenix may have saved you, but she&#39;s gone now. You can call me DARK PHOENIX". TO BE CONCLUDED... ********** X4 begins where X3 left off. The X-men are in the park, Phoenix has gone evil and is in full control of the situation, and the Hellfire Club is in ruins, the condition of the members unknown. ***** Prof X knows what happened. He felt Jean lost control, and he alone knows that she killed everyone in the building, save for the X-Men. "My god, Jean. What have you done?" ***** Cyclops - "Jean, you saved us. I know that you&#39;d never knowingly do somehting like this. You just need control over your power." DP - "You pathetic fool, Jean was weak. She tried to hold the Phoenix back. But my power is greater than any human can control. The Phoenix has destroyed intergalactic fleets. The Shi-Ar empire is in shambles due to me. I have killed billions of beings on countless worlds, and this planet is next." Phoenix effect blooms as DP flies away. ***** Magneto&#39;s Brotherhood join with the X-Men, as well as many other un-named (but known to the fans) mutants in the final fight with Dark Phoenix. Many die. Eventually, it comes down to Cyclops vs DP. Jean takes control long enough to tell Scott to kill her. She&#39;s barely able to hold the power back, and she knows that the Phoenix will destroy the planet if she&#39;s not stopped. Jean, crying - "Please Scott, do it. You&#39;re the only one who has the power to do this." Scott, tears streaming down his face, tells Jean he&#39;ll love her til the end of time. He tears off his mask, delivering the killing blow. Jean&#39;s body vaporizes under the power of his blast. The Phoenix effect goes flying into the night sky, and explodes. ***** The X-men regroup. Scott leaves, quitting the X-men. The ranks of the x-men are devestated, death and injury claiming many. the remaining mutants ask Prof X what&#39;s next. "I don&#39;t know. I just don&#39;t know" ***** Fade to black.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Excellent point on the Bond thing, Frodo.

    by Childe Roland

    That is all.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST

    by Squashua

  • May 24, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Is it so hard to find the G key? HonK Kong?

    by Squashua

    Sup with that. All you ever do is type Kong.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    by Squashua

    whitespaced for good measure

  • May 24, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST

    DigitalDong: Harry on ROBOT CHICKEN was hysterical!

    by SpyGuy

    I&#39;m actually surprised that no one else brought it up before now (unless I missed the post). Harry the video store clerk planting an upside-down Mary Jane kiss on Peter Parker was totally sublime. Nice job, Seth & Co.

  • I hear what you&#39;re saying, but since I haven&#39;t been an avid reader of the series since I grew pubes and got laid, I think I&#39;ll enjoy the flick. I&#39;ll just go with what every other review I&#39;ve read so far, and go see it. At the very least, my kid will think it&#39;s cool.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    poor we just start over with someone like whedon behind he camera cuz he&#39;s doing a swell job with astonishing...if not...give me an x-statix movie then...or make that an adult swim cartoon.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST


    by Burgundy82

    It&#39;s been said before but here goes... Harry

  • May 24, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Does anyone else get the impression that Harry...

    by CISCO Bunny

    Does anyone else get the impression that Harry has been intentionally talking down in advance the big Marvel films (FF and X3 being the best examples) for some kind of ulterior motive? It&#39;s almost like he expects Avi to say, "Shit, Harry! You&#39;re the only one who gets this stuff! Produce &#39;em for me!" I mean, X3 may very well suck, but it seems like Harry has spent the last year trying to build that expectation. Harry has published tons of bogus reviews over the years, but I&#39;ve never seen him react by saying, "I will not publish positive reviews of this film unless I know the person."

  • May 24, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m not sure what Fans were expecting to see

    by veritasses

    ...but even the die-hards who were praying to their entire collection of Marvel Universe action figures should&#39;ve just abandoned all hope and instead set their sights on Superman after seeing the Fastball clip. I mean, that&#39;s supposed to be something the studio sends out to promote the film and build some hype. Instead it crushed our spirits as it confirmed what we were all suspecting for the past year... X3 is filth. A nightmare to fans who&#39;ve been waiting all this time for a satisfying end to a trilogy of one of the most beloved comic series. That clip was so bad that if it weren&#39;t for the costumes and sfx, we would&#39;ve thought that it was a leaked audition tape. And whlie the Suits are ultimately responbile for thie disaster, Ratner has to share a good load of the blame esp since he basically knew the "Conditions" in which he was going to have to make this film. By signing on the dotted line, there&#39;s an expectation that&#39;s going to be set that the film is going to meet our expectations and the two films that came before it. It&#39;s too bad Jackman, Picard and Gandalf&#39;s talents are wasted in this. And it&#39;s too bad that the characters of Magneto, Wolverine and Prof X won&#39;t live on to be among the top tier great SciFi/Fantasy icons of cinema that they deserve to be. It&#39;s a crying shame they put brainless, souless, a-hole Suites who are only worried about buying a new Porsche in charge of these things. Maybe in 20 years or so someone will reimagine it. At least there&#39;s still that hope. For now, let&#39;s keep our fingers crossed that Singer kicks Fox in the nuts with a great Superman film.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Harry, Harry, Harry...

    by hipcheck13

    ..."the regular audience" - like my wife, who&#39;s NEVER read a comic book - should be ABLE to enjoy a movie without having to lug 25 years of comic history around prior to seeing a movie. Your off-handed remark was, at a minimum, condescending - but that&#39;s becoming the norm for this site, which is why CHUD is a far better read. You want movies made specifically for geeks who read and memorize comics - word for word? Sure...and watch the industry dry up and blow away like an autumn leaf. I&#39;ve had it up to here with whiny fan-bitches moaning about "deviating" from the comic - as if the comic was the actual Word of God or something. When some ass-clown above speaks of the reverence of the "Dark Phoenix story - not a comic, a STORY" - I have to laugh. Yes, it&#39;s entertaining. No, it&#39;s NOT Steinbeck, Keats or Hemingway. And it&#39;s not even close to Marvel&#39;s high-water mark - or haven&#39;t you read the FF/Galactus saga, the death of Gwen Stacy or any of Miller&#39;s DD arc? One TBer above nailed it on the head - this site really SHOULDN&#39;T do reviews, as your opinion is skewed before the movie even hits pre-production. Stick to spoilers, spies and news. Get over your fucking too, Harry, and remember "the regular audience" will be watching YOUR Ghost Town/Joe Shmo from Mars movies, too.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I agree, Chris Tucker RUINED 5th Element

    by Trazadone

    I always tell people to watch the first 2/3 of Fifth Element and then turn it off as soon as Tucker makes his appearance. Talk about destroying a good film. I kept thinking, "Okay, he&#39;ll only be in it for a minute and then we can get back to the film", but when it became apparent to me that the rest of the film was going to include his annoying Jar Jar presence, my heart sank. The proof of his suckiness is the fact that he&#39;s never made a decent film - don&#39;t give me that Rush Hour crap.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST

    "Just WAIT!" -- Chris Rock, Academy Awards, Mar. 2005

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    Obviously massive amounts of income erases common sense by the dime in Hollywood. Give Rock a producing credit, just for this fuck-up.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Well, the good news is

    by hktelemacher

    That in a few years, when Fox and Marvel are hungry for money again, and they&#39;ve exhausted and/or killed their other franchises - they can just start X-Men over again in a Batman Begins kind of way. They can be a little more daring with the material, a little less busy with everything and everybody, and just reboot the franchise. Do the circa 1963 X-Men and take a chance with (gasp) no Wolverine. That original line-up, set in the 60s even, would be something that could be cool. I don&#39;t really geek out with that stuff, but to put the bouncy essence of the old Lee/Kirby X-Men up on screen would rock the casbah. And then you make the slow transitions over the course of a few movies to the Claremont stuff, and do the Sentinels and Dark Pheonix and all that stuff right. This franchise had no patience - and it&#39;s random grab bag approach to the characters left no room for any character moments. They&#39;re just too busy.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    What about the spoiler at the end of the movie?

    by riouxda

    They got it on The Movie Blog! It&#39;s a short scene that you can see after the credits in the X-Men movie! Anyone has seen it? Harry?

  • May 24, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I gotta go with harry on this one.

    by whereAMeye

    You people need to back off on harry. He&#39;s a movie guy and is&#39;nt steeped in xmen lore like some people are. I&#39;m the same way. I grew up watching star wars at the local drive in and seeing back to the future for the first time. I was never really into comic books however read them from time to time and actually have a prett respectable collection. Harry is all about the emotion that you can only find in film. You simply cannot portray that in a comic book. The only one that comes close is the watchmen. So, when you have a guy like harry that GREW UP living life in movies and loving them as the art form it can be...then you think in movie terms. He is simply approaching it from a movie geeks standpoint. He said x3 is lacking any character development and true understanding of the characters on screen. hell, x1 and x2 at least did that much. We could identify with the mutants. But from what I&#39;m reading online it&#39;s nothing but "look at this" and "look at that power" and fox making as much money on this whore before they kick it to DVD. This is what it&#39;s all about now, people. We are entering the dark ages of movies. Too bad we can&#39;t go thru the 70&#39;s again.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    man o man

    by lofe101

    ive only been on this site for about 2 years now. and ive learned enough to know he has no credibility with me. i mean if your giving the thumbs up to armagedon and godzilla. come the fuck on. then going back to say oh ya it does suck after it comes out. sorry harry i think your just gay for singer. why so negative for x3 and such hype for superman? and like one other poster pointed out, the godzilla review is gone now huh.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    PJ should get that de-aging technology...

    by nuprin

    Now Peter Jackson can make a Hobbit movie with Ian Holmes as Bilbo, and then have a totally seamless continuity with LOTR

  • May 24, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Harry, how bout they rename Bond

    by BendersShinyAss

    &#39;The man with the golden diamonds are forever moonraking Dr. No&#39;s octopussy&#39;.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    This bashing of X-Men Last Stand is really dumb

    by Lovecraftfan

    Im sure the movies not a masterpiece but the way its being torn apart becuase it doesnt follow every detail of what comic book geeks demand is just dumb. I dont care about the comics so i guess Ill like the film. The way this movie is being attacked and the reasons for is quality deflating all credibility this site has in my eyes.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST


    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I&#39;ve never addressed you directly but, I can&#39;t help feeling that when the moment comes, you are probably going to give "Superman Returns" a pass regardless of the film&#39;s results. There was never a doubt in anyone&#39;s TB mind that your review of X3 would be unfavorable. But your feelings toward this film were telegraphed months ago and it&#39;s embarrassing to finally see it in review form. My apologies if I sound like I&#39;m picking on you; I&#39;m not. I love the site, etc. But it&#39;s been a strange couple of weeks here with regards to the favoritism towards one movie and the avoidance and pre-judgement of another. Then again, a movie is a just a movie. You either like it...or you don&#39;t.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST

    I hope this will get people off this wire-fu kick

    by Terry_1978

    It was cute back in the day, now it&#39;s just retarded looking. And you know it is. Embrace the 21st century for Christ&#39;s sake.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Thank you, Harry....

    by Brother Desmond

    For finally owning up that this is really in no way Brett Ratner&#39;s fault. This trainwreck was off the track when he arrived and he had little time to get it righted again. Blame Rothman, blame Fox, blame Kinsberg and Penn, but Ratner did what he could with the shit he was given. You want a reason that Vaughn left? Because he realized that no director was going to be able to get this shit together in less than a year. There is one thing you can blame Ratner for, and that is for taking the job. If every director that Fox went to turned down the job, then Rothman would have had to put this movie on hold and thus creating a better movie. Fuck Rothman.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Man it&#39;s so exciting to read all the reviews on

    by CurryIce

    aicn and chud and to see all the different reactions on X3 between Moriarty, Quint, Harry and Dan Whitehead(chud) & Devin&#39;s recent review Can&#39;t wait Frosty and Mr. Beaks on collider.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by decypher44

    I&#39;m happy to hear all of this, Because I never owned a comic book, didn&#39;t really watch the cartoon series, but I enjoyed the first two movies. I like the costumes, effects and action. This has all three, so I&#39;m there! Comic book geeks are a sad little bunch.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST

    I still think X2 is grossly over-rated on this site

    by BendersShinyAss

    Can this film seriously be worse than X2? I know I&#39;m in the minority here on the X2 hatred. but geez, that film was pure shite. The real dark kind, preceeded by hot heavy gas of indescribable stench which lingers and seeps through walls. How bout cyclops&#39; comunikay with jean grey through Picard. hahaha. emotion intensity my balls. My friends and I pull that face with each other when ever we get shocked with a revelation. I know what you&#39;re all thinking "You don&#39;t have any friends&#39;. These films will bomb the test of time. I look forward to the re-boot in about a decade. It should be groovy. Actually I know what the issue I have is. It&#39;s not that the films strayed from the comics, it&#39;s that the first film felt so grounded in a sort of reality that the following films tried to move away from that and merge back to being a comic. Well if thats the case then why didn&#39;t they give wolverine the yellow suite and the pointy mask. You know - for some reason. What does happen to a toad when it gets struck by lightning? I mean, I know the same thing as everything else is a valid answer, but what the fuck does it mean??

  • May 24, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST

    So I guess this&#39;ll be one of those movies where...

    by The Pusher

    All my non-film/non-comic obsessed friends will lap it up with a goddamn silver spoon, and I&#39;ll have to argue with them for ages over why it sucks, vs. why it doesn&#39;t. Sorta like I&#39;m having to do with Silent Hill (though in reverse). But we&#39;ll see.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    even if it sucks it will make more money than superman.

    by isildur29

    which is going to piss alot of people off.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Ask for much? How could we when the first two were lame

    by the_pissboy1

    Guess I&#39;m the only one who found the first two films too cutesy.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:41 a.m. CST

    And for the record...

    by The Pusher

    Alien: Resurrection is like fuckin&#39; Casablanca compared to Alien 3.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    now now Jarve

    by BendersShinyAss

    don&#39;t be hating on Robocop3. sure it was shit, but that black chicks death scene was the greatest piece of acting in cinematic history. Alien 3 has nothing on Resurrection. it depends on how you like to feel when you&#39;re in a dark theater. With Alien3 I felt as if I was in a dank septic tank with a bog that just wouldn&#39;t stop following me around. With Resuurection I felt like I was the septic tank, the bog was my girlfriend of the time and the film playing was the sweet sunlit hole of freedom. great fricken flick! I&#39;ve since lost weight by the way.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    The only good part 3 was Halloween III

    by whereAMeye

    :Season of the Witch. Terminator 3 was OKAY and had a good downer of an ending. Back to the Future 3 was alright because it ended and left NO possible way to have a part 4. And that time travelling train was pretty kick ass. I can&#39;t really think of any more Part 3&#39;s that are respectable. Films like Godfather 3 suck. Poltergeist 3 sucks donkey bars (no zelda rubenstein? FUCK that shit) Scream 3 was stupid because they did&#39;nt kill off sydney and be done with it. Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors is OKAY because of it&#39;s cartoonish kills (death by pizza anyone??) and that damn DOKKEN song that gets lodged in your brain. Good 80&#39;s velveeta metal. That&#39;s pretty much it. Halloween 3 is by far one of the only part 3&#39;s thats respectable. Carpenter is a fucking lunatic and this film has his mania all over it even though he did&#39;nt direct. It&#39;s got all you need: Killer androids, pagan plot to kill all the kids of the world on halloween. That song they play on TV. Awesome.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Thank the Maker- Harry hated it, that means it&#39;s great

    by Heckles

    I&#39;ve seen enough B-list movies at Blockbuster with Harry credited on the cover giving the piece of crap flick his whole hearted support. Didn&#39;t even read the review, just the headline is more than paying my admission. Thanks!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    wait, poltergeist 3 did have zelda....

    by whereAMeye

    but it still fucks the pooch. what a fucking shit ass movie. Nancy allen looked like she was stoned.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Harry&#39;s Best Review in years!

    by Scorpio

    Harry, that was a great read. I&#39;m only a mild fan of the X-Men films. I enjoy them, I own the DVDs, but I&#39;ve honestly never bought a single piece of merchandise or gone gaga to follow reports of X3. I want X3 to succeed in all respects, but have nothing really vested in it. Despite your negative review, though, I found your review very balanced, the opening paragraphs are brilliant, and your enthusiasm and hope really shone through. This was your best piece in I don&#39;t know how long! I&#39;ll still see the film (and appreciate that my expectations have now been somewhat lowered), but I have a feeling that I won&#39;t enjoy it as much as your review! Can&#39;t wait to read your SUPERMAN piece! Don&#39;t give it a pass if it doesn&#39;t deserve it!

  • May 24, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Harry, you saw this at a press screening didn&#39;t you?

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    Then there weren&#39;t any "regular audience" members present, just a whole load of critics. They may not have been as geeky as the AICN group, but they don&#39;t qualify as "regular", either.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Heckles: I Agree


    There&#39;s rarely a better indication that I&#39;m going to at least enjoy, if not love, a movie, than a negative Harry Knowles review. Even when I like a movie he likes, I think he&#39;s wrong on almost all the specifics. So, "Yay!" It may not be on the level of X2 or Superman, but if it&#39;s better than FF or Elektra, I&#39;m so stoked.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by lofe101

    what are you on glue. Halloween 3 was the biggest piece of crap movie ive ever seen. silver shamrock bullshit. mike myers wasnt even in it. what about indie 3 or return of the king, or return of the sith. even friday the 13th 3 was way better than that garbage. wow your gay

  • May 24, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    the making of x3

    by andenu

    if people didn&#39;t know the story behind how this movie came to be, i bet they would have a more positive reaction. harping again and again about studio execs and shit, it just gets old.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I booed at Alien:Resurrection

    by Doctor_Sin

    Complete and utter crap. Aliens 3 was at least a fun ride. Sure, it was a pedestrian &#39;more of the same&#39; retread - but it was more fun than the pompous, directionless, laughably-concluded &#39;Resurrection.&#39;

  • May 24, 2006, 11:20 a.m. CST

    This Site is Bullsh*t

    by JacksonsPole

    quelle surprise! hairy hated x3! man, i&#39;m so sick of this site. you&#39;re a biased, bloated doofus, hairy. i&#39;ve heard a lot of good things about this movie. from various sources. there have even been positive reviews on this site. but, does hairy even attempt to dig this film? no. he obviously went in with giant chip on his shoulder, and let it get completely in his view. i refuse to visit this site, anymore. i want my news from people who actually like films, and give them a chance before they sh*t all over them. from day one, this site has made a terrible spectacle of itself- trashing x3 and brett ratner like there was no tomorrow. it&#39;s sick. f*ck hairy. f*ck aint it cool. whack. one and all.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    best part 3&#39;s

    by BendersShinyAss

    Halloween 3 was made up as they shot it, by the way. Back to the future 3 - I just can not fault this film. not as a sequel... not as a stand alone. It&#39;s GREAT! Star Trek 3 - Klingons, rampent crew, crazy kirk, death, destruction, happy ending... wonderful! Superman 3. Only joking. But it was better than 4! Planet of the apes 3 wasn&#39;t to bad. batman forever - I don&#39;t give a fuck what you think. Elm street 3 - haven&#39;t seen it since I was 9 though! Star wars 3 - does this count?? i can&#39;t think of any more. Wait. no.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Harry continues hateing on X3 can&#39;t wait for his...

    by brycemonkey

    *glowing* Cars review! I like your reviews Harry but I don&#39;t trust em. I&#39;ll chalk it up to two film geeks with very different tastes. For what it&#39;s worth I think you (and other AICNers)are too involved with the X-men to review it properly. Vern&#39;s review convinced me that &#39;regular&#39; people will like it and the Rat did OK. Just my opinion. Peace.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

  • May 24, 2006, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Did someone just mention Halloween 3?

    by JAGUART

  • May 24, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Even if he&#39;s 100% correct about this....

    by Freakemovie

    ....I really can&#39;t stand to listen to any more Harry-bitching about X3. It got old pretty fast. I didn&#39;t bother reading the review; the headline pretty much explained what the review was going to sound like. So why am I in here? Eh, no reason. Just throwing my two cents in like everybody else.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Conspiracy or Caution?

    by Shermdawg

    Ok, after reading all the hate over Harry&#39;s review, I went back and did some research in the archives, and honestly this X3 conspiracy isn&#39;t as big as some have made it out to be. Here are the examples I did find : Monday, October 17th, 2005- "I just really think Fox chose incredibly wrong with Brett Ratner. Of course, it&#39;s way too late in the game to pull the plug on the goofy "director" - right? I mean, can you imagine if they did the opposite of what Warners did on EXORCIST prequel - and pulled the plug on a shitty director and brought in a great director - rebooted from the beginning. Shitcanned their ridiculous release date and made a great third act to this X-MEN trilogy?" (Ok, yeah, he did slam The Rat here, but has since come to his senses, like most of us, that X3&#39;s presumed failure, IS NOT his fault.)... February 10th, 2006- "Ok, We Know X3 is utterly doomed, wanna see how bad it can get?" (In this post, he reacts to the photos of Colossus and the "Morlocks", and it ain&#39;t purty. But, many of us felt just as strongly.) Fast forward to: Wednesday, May 10th, 2006- "What this means is - AICN will have to not run any positive reviews of X3 unless they come from established sources. This is sad. I really want X3 to be good. Now we&#39;ll just have to wait and see." (and) May 12th, 2006- "I&#39;m not posting any review that doesn&#39;t come from someone that has written in the past. Personally I&#39;m holding off till I see the movie. Here ya go..." (Ok, yeah he shouldn&#39;t have said the positive review statement, but he said both times, he would keep a open mind on the film. Also remember all of the fake reviews that led to this.) (There was one other story when the first official photos were released, that he did, but I couldn&#39;t track down, but he just issued concerns over Beast&#39;s pose in his photo, as far as I can remember. Once again, many of us, felt the same way, because a growling Beast did not fit the character.) Honestly, Harry has just spoke about this film like a fan should. If it wasn&#39;t for guys like him, and Smith, and ... we fanboys wouldn&#39;t have a forum to air our frustrations when something like this happens. I&#39;ll be at the first showing tomorrow night, a hopefully it won&#39;t be as depressing as many are saying it is. But, since I&#39;m a Cyclops fan, I probably won&#39;t be happy. Theres still hope though, did anyone ever think, that since Cyc&#39;s death is supposedly offscreen that maybe he is transported to one of the altenate X-realities? Who knows, maybe Xavier is also in that reality too, recovering at Muir Island, like the secret closing scene implies. Thus giving us a possiblity for damage control from FOX. Of course, that isn&#39;t likely, because this will be a;s well documented the average movie goer loves shit. (Not that I&#39;m saying X3&#39;s shit, mind you. I haven&#39;t seen it yet.)

  • May 24, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah--Vern&#39;s review was the best

    by Freakemovie

    ...And not because it was the positive one. Because it was the one that actually clued us in to what the average person will think of the film. If you say, "But Freakemovie, this is a site for comic geeks, they&#39;re entitled to their rants", I would say, you&#39;re absolutely correct. More power to their bitching. But personally I don&#39;t have much of an interest in hearing a laundry list of why Ratner, Penn, and Kinberg are the biggest screw-ups in the world because the reviewers have loved the X-Men mythology since birth with a fervor that Trekkies could never imagine.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    What about Jaws 3 (D)

    by Johnny Wishbone

  • May 24, 2006, 12:02 p.m. CST

    i will see superman but a small piece of me

    by isildur29

    prays it sucks in comparison to X3 just to shut up some of the people on this site

  • May 24, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Tom Bodet, Harry didn&#39;t gush over Jackson&#39;s Kong

    by Ringwearer9

    Go reread his review. He tried to say nice things about the Kong CGI character "I love this Kong" but the review reeks of disappointment with the film as a whole.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    YackBacker, you&#39;re pulling that?

    by Shermdawg

    Go back and look at the reactions from that leaked script. The majority were negative. And most of the things he said in the piece you pulled are true. And early reports for X3, was that Singer was going to shoot parts 3&4 back to back, but Rothman objected and thus Bryan bolted to Supes.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I just had Tacos at Taco Shack

    by Doctor_Sin

    And a couple guys were talking X3 reviews. If you are on here, did you like the enchiladas?

  • May 24, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    And it would most likely would have featured Marsden more and along with a faithful telling of the Phoenix saga. And with James getting casted in Supes, only furthers the belief.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    "regular audience"

    by DigitalDong

    What an ignorant statement. Now meesa glad meesa not a geek. Plus you know, the added obesity would be a health risk.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Ok, that last post clearly shows....

    by Shermdawg

    that I&#39;ve neglected sleep for this AICN event, so I&#39;m heading to bed. I can&#39;t wait to see what else you guys try to pin on Harry, when I check back tonight.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Rocky III was awsome!

    by Billyeveryteen

    Mick died, Mr T pitied fools, Apollo and Balboa kissed, plus a robot!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Life imitating art...

    by beefywhore

    Is it just me or is this all starting to feel like Rainn Wilsons R.J. Spencer character from Entourage (minus the porn girls and the big black dildo of course)? Seriously when Harry was dogging Fantastic 4 before it came out one of the things he bitched about was that Alicia Masters wasn&#39;t "Blind enough" to his liking because her make-up was too perfect... I&#39;m curious if someone over at Marvel killed Harry&#39;s kung-fu master that he has made it his personal mission to bring them down...

  • May 24, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    What do you mean "What arrogance!"? Is it so wrong for a fan of a property that could have been bigger than Star Trek (not with FOX though), one that had a voice, to ask, if not plead the movie from going ahead, when most of the people who read the script agreed that it was a train wreck? I wouldn&#39;y call him a crybaby, I&#39;d call him a devoted fan.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Harry is totally right on all counts

    by Rupee88

    I disagree with him sometimes, but he nailed this one.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Hey Ringwearer9!

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Doc Paz and I were wondering about what you thought of the CGI fire in the "Ghost Rider" trailer? Was using the actual color of fire too boring? Or, was it too orange?

  • May 24, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Sounds mediocre. I&#39;m glad I am not a rabid X-Fan

    by Doom II

    otherwise I would be saddened to hear all this. I liked the first 2 films, but never felt they were 100% awesome. Super-hero movies are ALWAYS a letdown on some level because they have a fan base from 20-50 years of back issues. Oh well. Time for the SUperman film to let everyone down next. Then Ghost Rider and Spider-Man 3 with Venom...Ughh!

  • May 24, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Oh BTW whereAMeye

    by beefywhore

    I think the Death by Pizza was in Nightmare On Elm St 4: The Dream Master...but I could be wrong.

  • May 24, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    This feels like Knowles&#39; Hulk review redux...

    by genro

    In other words - a movie he didn&#39;t like, expressed exactly why in his review, but then will eventually change because of others he&#39;s influenced by... So many contrarians talked about how "daring" Ang&#39;s Hulk was, Harry felt he missed the point so now he loves it. I can see, in a year or so, Harry referring to X3 as the superhero equivalent of an old-school Universal Monster Rally, which, "when viewed from that perspective, makes it a great, fun film"...or some bullshit. Knowles&#39; dislike is for Rothman and the handeling of the production - not the film. His opinion will flip. Wait and see,

  • May 24, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Harry had this shit written 3 months in advance

    by Tall_Boy

    Lame, Knowles. Very lame.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by performingmonkey

    If it is I&#39;ll live with it. It&#39;s just frustrating that the series has been raped just when it could have gone places. But I commend Singer for jumping ship to make a movie he wanted to make. I DON&#39;T commend how the studios handled it. I would rather have had NO X3 at all, or at least a longer gap between X2 and X3. It seems that this is the second movie this summer where Ian Mckellen is the only reason for watching.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    is this revenge for Ratner calling Harry out in EW?

    by Gay Jesus Christ

    when Ratner says Harry worshiped him and then spat in his face when he found out he wasn&#39;t going to be on the set for X3.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    i saw a preview of it last night and i liked it

    by damagedinc

    i thought it was awesome. most folks here are primed to hate it, so enjoy hating it. i had a blast. it&#39;s just a movie for crying out loud. the world is in political and social turmoil and folks are bellyaching about a fun movie.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Now, if you have never read an X-MEN comic...

    by The Dubliner

    ...if you know nothing about the PHOENIX saga...That was as far as I read in your review Harry...and that&#39;s exactly what I was hoping to read. I know fuck all about X-Men comics and have no idea who the fuck Pheonix is. All I know is that the first two movies are friggin awesome and the trailer for III kicks ass. Can&#39;t wait to see this flick, and I&#39;m so glad that I could give a fuck about how they&#39;ve treated the comic book material.

  • May 24, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    In Defense of Harry

    by NeoCon

    I usually trash Harry because I think he&#39;s such a kiss-ass geek. He seems to love almost every movie. The guy actually liked Jar-Jar Binks!! That being said, if he doesn&#39;t like the movie it is a MAJOR red flag. He didn&#39;t like Fan4 and god was he correct about that one. The pathetic thing is I&#39;m still going to pay to see the damn movie even though I pretty much know it&#39;s going to suck. Just like I paid to see those last three crappy Star Wars movies!

  • May 24, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Bring Back Toad!!

    by NeoCon

    Is he in it? Every other mutant is. I dig him. He jumps high, knows ninja-style karate, catches birds with his tongue, and spits goo. Fuck Porcupine Man!

  • May 24, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    So, does this mean Harry will dis Rush Hour 3?

    by Doctor_Sin

    Cos the RH flix are good fun.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Actually, the parallels between the X-franchise...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and Star Trek is far more appropriate than the Bond analogy Harry tried to draw. Both Trek and X-Men came out theatrically with serviceable first installments. Both films were a bit plodding and took themselves a bit too seriously while trying to update the look and feel of characters that were already at least 10-years dated. Both had rather unfulfilling climaxes. Yet both were strangely watchable and were accepted as "good enough" translations of their respective properties. Also, interesting to note, at the time both of the first films were released, the studios had bigger plans for the franchises than what actually came to pass. Singer had ideas bubbling in his brain for at least four movies (having talked about shooting 3 & 4 back-to-back and doing a more intensive Phoenix saga) while Paramount was thinking along the lines of a second TV series focusing on the crew&#39;s next five-year mission. But things didn&#39;t work out that way. Then the second films came out and exceeded pretty much everyone&#39;s expectations, resulting in both (The Wrath of Khan and X-Men United) earning, perhaps, a slightly overrated place in the hearts and minds of franchise fans (they&#39;re both excellent films but, I think, are elevated by fans&#39; love of the source material and how unimpressed many were witht he preceding installments). X3 seems to be shaping up a lot like The Search for Spock...a slightly convoluted plot designed to wrap up dangling storylines and eliminate characters the writers never quite figured out how to use (Kirk&#39;s kid and Cyclops). Search for Spock is by no means a great film, but it&#39;s a decent sequel and, until Star Trek VI came out and did it a little better, it put a decent end cap on my cinematic Star Trek experience (allowing me to ignore the whimsical whale movie and the just plain awful voyage to talk to God). I&#39;m guessing X3 will serve the same function for my X-Men movies..until, like Star Trek, someone comes along and tries to re-energize the property so many times that I&#39;ll lose all interest.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    What about EW? Seems like it had an effect

    by shutterghost

    "I actually believe Brett could have made a pretty decent X-Men movie." Harry came off looking pretty bad in the EW last week. I guess that statement, which contradicts earlier statements, was made to make sure an A-list director goes back to being his email buddy. I did agree with your review wholeheartedly. Another thing that was in poor taste was to turn the mutants "a minority group" into a bunch of mindless thugs. It seemed like it was the filmmakers decision to put an undertone of how most people seem to think of minority groups-eventually they&#39;ll use violence and show the world what ignorant dumbasses they really are. That underlying theme pissed me off the most. I just wish Harry had just stuck to his anti-Ratner beliefs instead of putting that little bit in there to appease him.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    shut up with the "just fun" defense

    by andrew coleman

    You&#39;re an ass and also if you&#39;re posting on this TB you are a nerd or dork or whatever. I hate this crap on TB&#39;s "I&#39;m not a nerd, and I think it&#39;s fun". If you&#39;re not a nerd why are you on here getting pissed that this bad movie is getting dissed? If you guys want to go watch "fun" films go see Over the Hedge and what not, I&#39;d like my comic book movies to be epic and memorable, not a one laugh note where I&#39;ll forget about in a month. Like FF the only thing I remember about that movie was how shitty Dr. Doom was I don&#39;t even remember all the great "fun" jokes. Because most of you guys are full of shit with that response and you know it. "This will be better than Superman" well if you&#39;re into X3 because it&#39;s fun and light then you should love Superman Returns for the same reasons. The fact that the TBers are giving X3 a free pass but then rail on Superman Returns with the excuse that X3 is fun, you&#39;re full of shit. Or you work for Ratner or Fox I can&#39;t tell.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Metal Gear Movie - off topic, but for those who care

    by Johnno

    AICN oughta get some spies on this... From Kojima Productions Show Maybe booklet from E3 2006:

  • May 24, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    A: they couldn;t do the comics Dark Phoenix story because the first two movies never had a character called marvel girl. and B: "X-Factor" #1 destroyed the Dark Phoenix Saga. sure it was a great "Marvel moment" until they decided to undo it themselves. But they did.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by brycemonkey

    I think you are a maniac but that clip was quite amusing. (You can add me to your list of Pazuzu alias now.) Peace. ;-)

  • May 24, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Did the producers of X3 not get Harry hookers?

    by Razorback

    Seems like he is on his "get someone for not getting me a bag of money and some hot chicks to my hotel room" kick again.

  • May 24, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    lofe101...No, YOU are gay.

    by whereAMeye

    gay as a fucking tangerine. who the FUCK do you think you are calling me gay? LOTR part three was part of a fucking series of books you asshole and was INTENTED to be its own film. I&#39;m talking about movies that had no reason to have a mother fucking sequel in the first place. J.R. Tolkein WROTE &#39;the return of the king&#39; as its own story which happened to be made into a film. Fuck you. Don&#39;t like my opinion? Well, burn in hell you fucking maggot. you are a coward. And of course you won&#39;t respond because you are a pussy. FUCK OFF. Rocky III btw was the best of the rocky sequels. Hell, I even liked alien 3. What other part 3&#39;s am I missing out? Anyone have a response?

  • May 24, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST

    A response for whereAMeye:

    by Childe Roland

    You are a very angry person. And, quite possibly, gay (based on the extremely violent overreaction you had to someone making that insinuation). You need to calm down and loosen the noose around your neck the next time you decide to jerk off in public.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by whereAMeye

    Yep, you&#39;re right. . I double checked. Speaking of which...I need to check out that film again. Patricia arquette was cute. Part 3 is the best in the series.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Nope. Not angry.

    by whereAMeye

    Then again, I can control myself and not call people "gay" when they post their opinion. Childe Roland, who are you trying to impress, anyways? I should&#39;ve kept to myself because people like lofe101 are idiots anyways.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by beefywhore

    part 3 is better than even part 1 imho

  • May 24, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Dagobah Luke & Yoda ad looks like

    by brycemonkey

    cosmic Broke Back! "hmmm, quit you I cannot!" (Off topic I know but people are on about Gayers.)

  • May 24, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by shutterghost

    Crusade is on the level of Raiders. Alien 3 is a good film if it can stand apart from the first two. But Rocky 4 is my fave only for the Eye of the Tiger, training in 40 below weather hardcore training scene and the shot of Rocky staring up at the Killing Machine-Russian Behemoth staring down at him

  • May 24, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Does that mean you&#39;re impressed...

    by Childe Roland

    ...whereAmeye? If so, it&#39;s really just a happy accident.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    OMG, they didn&#39;t fit 20 hours of movie into 2 hours!

    by Capt. Murphy

    I see a lot of ragging about X3 coming from AICN. Fine, it&#39;s not the Phoenix saga from your precious comic books. Big fucking deal. More than half the people who walk into this movie will never have read the comics, including myself. If you want to make a valid review, try not comparing it to a comic book and try not picking it apart for what&#39;s NOT in the movie, and talk about the content that IS in the movie. I understand you had expectations, you had desires, you are obssesed with a flase reality where giant purple robots walk the streets and superheroes fly around in space fighting supervillans. Maybe if you could step back and look at the movie based on the content of the movie and not the content that you think should be in the movie, then MAYBE your review would be a more valid reason for me to dislike it. Yes, they could have had sentinals, yes, they could have had Jean flare up into a huge fireball and do...whatever, I dunno, which is why I&#39;ll probably enjoy this movie, because I don&#39;t know, like most people, I just want to be entertained, not to sit in the theater with a stack of comics in my lap cross referencing relationships and action sequences for continuity.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by beefywhore

    You friggin make me laugh out loud at work and people are going to start wondering why I&#39;m screwing around online and not doing my job...are you trying to get me fired or something?

  • May 24, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    You are welcome...

    by brycemonkey

    just thought I would share my homo-erotic Star Wars subtext ramblings is all. Beefy, you need a big promotion, then you can have your own office and spend all day saying shit on the internet and everyone thinks you are very busy and need a raise. :-)

  • May 24, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Give it the Shrek treatment! Hyper reality CG XMEN!

    by droids22

    I said it before the XMEN series is an ensemble movie and could never have a budget big enough for it to satisfy all the fans. Why not give the XMEN the Shrek treatment? Hyper reality CG is the way to go for this! All the characters, flying, powers, etc in all its glory the way it was meant to be seen!

  • May 24, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984


  • May 24, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    re homewrecker

    by DocPazuzu

    Notice his lack of comments in the Mori TB, in which I declared my support for Mori&#39;s take on X3. I admit, I enjoyed homewrecker&#39;s posts when I really believed he was completely bugnuts. Alas, he is but a sad Scorched Planet troll, and as such not worthy of the effort of taking a dump in his mouth as Childe Roland so aptly condemned a number of recent talkbackers to.

  • May 24, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    HMMM I like the sound of that...

    by beefywhore

    You are a Super-Genius brycemonkey!!!

  • May 24, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    The moment I knew this might be a disaster..

    by Cotton McKnight

    was when I saw a poster for the release date LAST YEAR and they hadn&#39;t even picked a director yet. Still.. I dont know. I only watch the movies, I dont read the comics. So I could like it.

  • May 24, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Moriarty and Vern

    by Junior Frenger

    If those two guys liked it I&#39;m in. They are the only two contributing critics on AICN whose opinions are worth a crap. Who aren&#39;t burdened by biased agendas.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST

    To be fair, Doc...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I really only wanted to crap in that one guy&#39;s mouth. The other wones I was just going to make choke on a few juicy farts. Anyway I&#39;m feeling much better now. The judge even says I can be around people again...with the appropriate supervision.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by blackthought

  • May 24, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    "...other ONES..." I meant.

    by Childe Roland

    Stupid club fingers!

  • May 24, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    scanning Rotten Tomatoes...

    by wash

    ...seeing that even the postive reviews are saing it&#39;s a mediocre flick and it&#39;s not as good as the first and second. And that 59% rating isn&#39;t something that&#39;s going to get me to brave the crowds this weekend. Have fun fanbois, the Fox marketing group is happy that there&#39;s so many suckers out there.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Aint it stupid news

    by optimus122

    The movie will rock , the trailers are awesome..i don&#39;t give a rats ass if magneto doesn&#39;t cut his toenails the same way in the comics as he does in this movie or any other stupid difference from comic book to the big screen..stop being so damn jaded and be lucky to get another great XMEN movie..foools!

  • May 24, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST

    x men 3

    by joppers

    If ya wait till after the credits there are 20 secs or so of extra footage, so there must be another 1 in the future!

  • May 24, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I think Harry is probably 100% right here

    by quadrupletree

    IF you&#39;re a comic book geek and IF you&#39;re familiar with the story that could have been and IF you loved the first two - you&#39;ll be dissapointed or worse pissed off. I don&#39;t understand why fanboys and TBers of all people woudn&#39;t understand that. If you have a problem, go see it. enjoy. really.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the predictability Harry.....

    by parnellbc I know this film is worth my time and money. You&#39;ve turned into one ot the hacks you claimed you hated and started this site for initially. As others have already pointed out you were determined to hate this movie since last June/July. The X-Men & Marvel Universe is so full of alternate realites(ie regular,ultimates, zombies, AoA, Heroes Reborn etc) that the Fox Cinema is just another universe. Like the others it takes concepts you know and were/are familiar with from the regular Marvel U and tinkers with it and gives you something fresh and familiar yet still different. Anyone expecting Jean Gray/Dark Phoenix as the main story was dilusional. This movie series has always been about "the mutant gene" and "government crackdown" of mutants. I can&#39;t take you crybaby fanboys who "just can&#39;t get it" that this is just another X universe in which to enjoy. I&#39;ll be there Friday night. Looking forward to the Ghost Rider trailer also.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST

    My bad, Childe Roland...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...apologies. As for more important matters: why hasn&#39;t Ringbearer9 answered the clarion call to battle? Why hasn&#39;t he once and for all declared what he thinks of the color used for the flames in the Ghost Rider trailers? TomBodet (GoatZinger 2: Eccentric Bugaboo) is about one talkback away from an A*P*E-Petey-Jax-Giant-Robot-Breakdancing-Wizards relapse. And where the fuck is cocolopez?

  • May 24, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    This review brought to you by Warners

    by spider-ham

    Harry shouldn&#39;t of reviewed this film. He&#39;s hated X3 since day one and he has an added motive since his "buddy" Singer is directing Superman. Can&#39;t have Xmen Last Stand do better than Superman. Also this site was built on tearing apart superhero films and Harry is looking for his next Batman and Robin....See, none of that might be true. Harry may of given a fair review here but he appears so biased that no one can take his word on this film. It would of been better to let others deliver the "bad news."

  • May 24, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Um After the Sunset is not a good defense for Ratner

    by andrew coleman

    That movie was awful and this will be in the same league as that movie. Fun and cool in places but overall a total failure.

  • May 24, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    a review in question

    by rubensreviews

    A review is supposed to be based on the present material and how it is handled, not what could have been or what could have been handled differently. I remember when Harry did this to the matrix reloaded/revolutions. He did say what everyone has been saying, about the lack of character depth in this film but it seems people just want a straight up action flick this time, they got enough character stuff in the first two films. which makes me wonder why poseidon tanked if the same people didn&#39;t care much for character development and just wanted balls out action

  • May 24, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    The Regular Audience

    by Cumlauncher

    After the film

  • May 24, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t hate on After the Sunset!

    by brycemonkey

    Hayek + bikini. The defense rests. It doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s a disjointed, nonsense, Crown/Ocean&#39;s wannabe... That woman in a bikini is God! I think I need to go and lie down now...

  • May 24, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Gush

    by performingmonkey

  • May 24, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Hey Doc...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I&#39;m with you on all things Ring. If he doesn&#39;t have anything to say regarding the color of Ghost Rider&#39;s fire, I&#39;m sure he&#39;ll chime to say that the trailer made him feel filthy and in need of a shower. -- And thanks for bringing up ol&#39; cocolopez/coco-beware. That made me laugh.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Hi Mr. NG

    by DocPazuzu

    As much as I hate to admit it, I actually miss cocolopez for real. Sure, he&#39;s nuttier than fuck, but he really made trolls like homewrecker and moviemack look like the anaemic, poorly endowed, sociopathic losers that they are.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by satansteve

    im looking forward to it, but im not expecting anything. which is the way to go with this film i believe.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:21 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll admit a certain sentimental soft spot...

    by Childe Roland

    ...for ol&#39; coco. I often wondered if he was getting access to the site through an unattended terminal at a nurses&#39;s station while one of his fellow inmates faked a seizure of some sort. His posts always seemed to have that sense of urgency to them.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    holy shit

    by frank cotton

    do the chillin&#39;s get riled over them there comic books! glad i never wasted my time with them, so i might actually be able to enjoy X3. if you are looking for a true travesty of a film , look no further than NATURAL CITY, which your good buddy frank commented on somewheres around here earlier today...

  • May 24, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    "sense of urgency"

    by DocPazuzu

    Thanks, Roland, for the first coffe-through-my-nose laugh of the week. Yes, there was certainly a bit of the old Sarah-Connor-syringe-in-Zimmerman&#39;s-neck vibe about El Coco&#39;s posts.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:36 p.m. CST

    funny thing is...

    by lynxpro

    This film will still be better than Superman Returns.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST

    RE: Hi Mr. NG

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Yeah, I have to agree. Didn&#39;t he have some sort of TB breakdown or something? Now, moviemack is just an ass. I love how he drops in and tries to lay down his "Generation Dumbass" arrogance. Yet, he is quite the pontificator when it comes to anything superhero related. But he generally amounts to a "grenade thrower" and nothing more. As for homewrecker...he&#39;s a disaster. However, I&#39;m not entirely convinced that he doesn&#39;t genuinely believe everything he says. Even the "everyone here is Doc Paz" stuff. Then again, he has the classic markings of a TB troll and maybe that&#39;s all he truly is. I&#39;ve certainly grown tired of him. He&#39;s basically reduced himself to a one-trick pony who is easily flustered. I&#39;ve enjoyed watching some of the "newbies" take him to task for it. -- Speaking of which, I&#39;m starting to feel like an old foggie around here. All the familiar handles seem to be disappearing and the TBs are oddly tame. Which I suppose is alright...but this isn&#39;t the Zone...

  • May 24, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST

    harry has to hate after all the fake reviews

    by reckni

    Can&#39;t wait to form my own opinion when I fork over dough on Friday. Thus far my expectations are minimal, I&#39;m just curious who they kill off (luckily I&#39;ve strayed from reading too much). I just know they won&#39;t kill off Wolverine.

  • May 24, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST

    it&#39;d be tough to make a true phoenix movie anyway

    by reckni

    $300 million easy, or two movies at $400 million.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:15 p.m. CST

    *Sigh* And every other frickin&#39; "review" in the world

    by scrumdiddly

    will give a tentative thumbs up, no doubt.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Harry . . . you made some sense

    by Bear Hunter

    I have to admidt, I was a pet peeved this whole year when Harry didn&#39;t cover all the juicy behind leaks that I&#39;m use to seeing on this sight. Hell it was X-Men 1 that brought me to this sight originally. But after reading his review and I have to say, I understand where the dude is coming from. I&#39;ve been reading X-Men comics faithfully since 1976 and it always baffled me why they can&#39;t make a decent comic movie without having to deviate soooo much from the original concept. Tim Rothman . . . . . you suck balls. Mr. Ratner, you did your best with what you had. And Halle . . . . at least your hair looked better than the first two. I got my tickets fandangoed already for Friday. I&#39;m going in with low expectations but hope I least get some fanboy thrill out of the whole thing.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I&#39;m sorry, did I say relapse? I meant prolapse.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Actually, I think you outdid yourself last year when you called me an "anvil-headed wanker". I&#39;m especially proud of that moniker and, needless to say, I&#39;ve been trying to live up to it ever since -- despite the creepiness of the "giant robot" you obviously have for me.

  • May 24, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    are we betting on the box office?

    by lynxpro

    Does anyone think X3 will do $400 million domestic? As much as I dislike the Superman Returns production, I think it will do $275 million domestic. Maybe even $300 million. Although if the 5-6 million Smallville fans/viewers stay home, that means there won&#39;t be a lot of GenY audience, or GenX for that matter either. And if the GenX or GenY audience stays home, that doesn&#39;t bode well. Repeat viewings bumped the LOTR/SW Prequel/Matrix box office up, and I think that won&#39;t apply for SR. I have a feeling - Ratner or not - that plenty of XMen fans will see X3 twice. Its just the vibe I&#39;m getting.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by casinoskunk

    i agree. i was fired up to see land of the dead and domino, and you know what, both of them were LAME! but to be honest with you, i tend not to listen to what Harry has to say, i would rather listen to quint or moriarty instead. at least they give some benefit of the doubt. it seems like a lot of the other reviewes go into these movies with a huge chip on their shoulder. well i say, dont listen to it. just read the reviews of the people that you agree with. i would rather have x3 than no xmen at all. who cares what harry&#39;s opinion is? we will all go see this movie, and either like it or dislike it. and by the time the rest of us Talkbackers see it, it is going to be old news, and we will we reading about how much everyone seems to hate Nacho Libre.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by Kid Z

    ... Too soon to tell of course, but it&#39;s starting to look to look like I&#39;m going to have to declare another cinematic "Summer of Shit". That makes, what, 3 in a row now? MI:III... wackjob Cruise sucks the air outta this flick like a mythical medievel cat sucking the breath out of a newborn. DaVinci code... killed by friggin&#39; Opie! (That one shoulda been a slam-dunk). X3: Schumachered (Ratmachered???). And you just KNOW Singer&#39;s obsession with Superman/Superman II is gonna "lame-ify" Supes Returns like a hunk of Red K giving Silver Age Supes an ant head. Maybe the Age of the Blockbuster is on it&#39;s way to extinction? Maybe it&#39;s a good thing. Let&#39;s see what Raimi can pull off next year before calling it, though... Although it&#39;s sounding like everything but the proverbial kitchen sink (The kitchen sink, of course being Rocket Racer) is being thrown into Spider-Man 3 as well... Christ, the new millenium is sure sucking so far...

  • May 24, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Exactly right lynxpro.

    by Orbots Commander

    The mark of a true blockbuster movie is if the film in question is subject to repeat viewings. To get over a $300 Million domestic gross, audience members would have to see the film 2 or 3 times and actively recommend it to friends and family. I just don&#39;t see that happening for X3. Although it&#39;ll snare the young male demographic, us, I doubt it will attract older men and women over 35. (Interesting story though: a couple of summers ago when X2 was still in theaters, while standing on line at the bank I overheard one elderly woman recommending X2 to her elderly companion. I was privately surprised that X-Men would have been her cup of tea, but I guess it spoke to the film&#39;s quality.) If Superman Returns is really good, then that may compel repeat attendance. Ironically, the movie that I thought would be viewed multiple times in the theater this summer was The Davinci Code, but after seeing it the other day, I highly doubt that will be the case. It&#39;s simply an okay thriller with nothing special to compel one to go see it again. I would compare it to one of the John Grisham adaptations from the mid-90&#39;s.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Orbots Commander

    by lynxpro

    Are you comparing The DaVinci Code to The Firm? I do think X3 will outgross SR. The plot of SR is "meh" at best. So when are the Mighty Orbots going to end up on DVD? Heh.

  • May 24, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    FOR FUCK&#39;s SAKE!

    by calami-shami

    People are still defending this film based on the argument that the only complaints coming against it are from geeks who are upset that it doesn&#39;t follow the comics exactly? What about the complaints that the action sucked? That the effects and the wire fu is awful? That the characters are so paper thin when they die it is impossible to give a shit, even though you&#39;ve spent the last six years watching them on screen? Are you guys tuning this out? Are you not concerned? The defense of "Its a comic book movie not high art" is ridiculus. It doesn&#39;t have to be high art. It is not supposed to be. BUT IT DAMN WELL BETTER BE ENTERTAINING!

  • May 24, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    kay z

    by calami-shami

    it doen&#39;t matter how much the profits go down. Hollywood will never give up their blockbusters. They&#39;ll just blame it on us for buying thier dvd&#39;s and stealing the movies online.

  • May 24, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    yeah, but...

    by darth mortis

    aren&#39;t you the guy who sold up that abortion of a movie known as King Kong? Moriarty says it isn&#39;t a classic, but it isn&#39;t bad. i will take his word over yours. (i also have to wonder if you would have liked x3 better if you had a cameo in it too?)

  • May 24, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    When I brought up X-men being bigger than Trek.

    by Shermdawg

    I wasn&#39;t exactly talking about the current films. I was talking about what this franchise could have, and should have been. If handled correctly it could have run longer than Trek, without becoming redundant, because there are so many stories to tap. Also, it could, and should have been the biggest merchandise juggernaut next to Star Wars. But FOX foolishly short changed it. AVI PLEASE, FOR FUCK&#39;S SAKE, SALVAGE THIS, DON&#39;T YOU REALIZE JUST HOW BIG THIS PROPERTY IS??? Obviously you don&#39;t. BTW, Jackman and Ratner are the only people I&#39;ve heard that are shooting down rumors of a X4. Berry, and Stewart have said they would do another. And Berry was in damage controll this morning saying how much she cared for Storm, and the fans, and wanted to make them "happy". :P

  • May 24, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    the time is NOW

    by frank cotton

    to quit your cryin&#39;, and start sending your hard earned dollars to FRANK COTTON. that&#39;s right, me. i&#39;ve been saying it for years, you want entertainment, give old frank a little cash, and see what he can come up with, but no, nobody listens, and everyone continues to throw their money away on junk. it&#39;s up to you, people. make the right choice. it&#39;s never too late!

  • May 24, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Interesting take - ChildRoland

    by BendersShinyAss

    I saw X2&#39;s phoenix ending to be a very similar rip of star trek 2 genesis ending. I agree with pretty much everything you said with 2 exceptions - X2 wasn&#39;t better than X1 (But I accept i&#39;m the only person who thinks this) and Star Trek 5 might have been aweful, but it&#39;s better than ALL the Next Gen films (except FC)

  • May 24, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    First Contact was a near scen for scene rehash of Aliens. STV was vastly superior, in originality alone. That, like the X-flicks was a movie that was hampered by a studios refusal on the budget.

  • May 24, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST

    ...and credits roll.

    by AtomicLobster

    I enjoyed that. At least as much as the first two, and it does feel like one six hour movie. Hard to know how accessible it is to someone not immersed in X-lore, but the audience certainly liked it. First, what&#39;s not so good? Perhaps a little drop in verisimilitude from the first two; sometimes it feels a little bit rushed; Halle Berry is as terrible as ever; the motivations of some characters are a little blurry; and there&#39;s one really obvious continuity error (pretty sure night doesn&#39;t fall that fast in San Fransisco) that is bad enough to knock you out of the movie for a minute or two. But what&#39;s good? First of all, when that first big death happens, you know the gloves are off: from that moment on you know anything can happen, at any time, to any character. Which is great, because I&#39;d stayed spoiler free and I honestly didn&#39;t know who was going to make it. Also: Wolvie doesn&#39;t hold back with his claws; Magneto&#39;s line as he shows his concentration camp tattoo "no needle will ever touch my flesh again"; the Phoenix effect on Jean and the confrontation with Xavier; Vinnie Jones isn&#39;t in it much; a nice moment with Iceman and Shadowcat; the whole sequence involving the rescue of Mystique. Any nagging doubts I had - only as much as with the first two, which hold valuable places in my DVD collection - were dispelled by the final touches that bookend the credits, which together leave a very big door open for another sequel: watch that king about to fall, and then stay in your seat until the lights come up.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by teddanson37

    1 thru three of your five reasons this movie sucks, were problems with the last two films. listen i know there&#39;s a argument for supporting the comic book movies no matter what because they are comic book movies. and i know there are arguments for not supporting them if they suck cuz even if it is a dancing turd of a comic book movie, underneath it all it&#39;s still a turd. But here is the real deal. ten years ago no comic book movies were being made (i think batman and robin was actually in production ten years ago). BUT the point is i don&#39;t want to go back to that. i don&#39;t want the movies that are in production to be it. i want more. and if we have to suffer through the elektras and hulks. but i want more comic book movies. i don&#39;t know. what do you guys think? ten years ago how would this movie have been recieved? how would harry have liked it? he hates the cuddly wolverine, he hates halle berry as storm. he hates cyclops in the background. but he loved the first two films. and beast hanging upside down for a few frames and a lame fighting sequence (there were no lame fighting sequences in the original x=men) and a couple of tatoos on the villians make the movie go from great to suck fest. did anyone actually expect the dark phoenix saga to be seen on the big screen? that would not have worked even if the film were to get like you want it, it would have taken up the whole movie. no one cares about the dark phoenix saga that much. yeah claremont can&#39;t stop talking about it, but seriously it&#39;s not that big a deal. it really stretches beyond the realm of what the x-men are about. the ultimate x-men books have handled it well. making it far less epic, and bring other characters into the frame work of the story besides cyclops and jean. friday nights not far away. the truth will be seen then. crapfest for ratner/rothman? or hatefest for harry?

  • May 24, 2006, 9:55 p.m. CST


    by nomihs

    C&#39;mon, anyone who knows shit about shit has an opinion about shit. Harry is entitled to his shit, then again so is everyone here, but does that make him right??? Spend the XX.xx dollars your damn self and see the friggin thing. THEN, start your own website and put up your findings, OR, if you like come back to AICN and use up Harry&#39;s bandwidth and let everyone here know, albeit we might have to scroll down a damn mile of posts just to find out that you AGREE with Harry and DISAGREE with Mori. Or visa-versa. WHO CARES!! I don&#39;t come here because I like to read what SAUSAGEKING2000 has to say about a film he just saw. I come here for the NEWS and the REVIEWs. Talkbackers are, at times, an added bonus, but they are the frank and beans to AICNs FRIED fuckin CHICKEN.

  • May 24, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s pathetic how fandom has turned on itself

    by IndustryKiller

    Jesus would you take a look at what you people are saying? Fanboys used to police the film industry at least in some small way from making mockeries of beloved characters. Now fanboys will argue any angle or make any ridiculous justification in order to force themselves to love a franchise. Spider-Man, Batman, X-Men, Star Wars (especially) all of them at least in part mediocre (in Star War&#39;s case three of the worst films ever put to screen) all of them exhalted through a cloud of stupidity that is downright negligent. I mean we have people here, so called fans of film, who are DEFENDING BRETT FUCKING RATNER!!! You should be ashamed of yourselves. let&#39;s establish a fact here , Ratner is a shitty director and he makes bad films. Fact. Whether or not you are entertained by his films is irrelevant. they aren&#39;t good. Have the fucking wherewithall to step outside yourself for a split second and analyze the difference between what you find mildly entertaining and what is actually good cinema. We need to be demanding more of Hollywood not letting them get away with drivel like X3 simply because we want to like it. You give the studios an inch and they will take a mile. I thought people defending Fantastic Four was the lowest of the low but apprently the rabbit hole just goes deeper. The films we are getting are mere shadows of the characters we love. I&#39;m glad Harry (who I more often than not disagree with) finally called out Hugh Jackmans Wolverine. He&#39;s been far too soft and touchy feeling since hte beginning never having an understanding for the core of the character. And every other character is even worse. The only solace I can take is in the fact that the franchise will be started over fresh next time around. These fucking casual film lovers representing the borderline retarded Bruckheimer loving "everyman" need to get the fuck off this website. Harry, the website you created to be a celebration of film is doing far more to hurt it as an institution due to giving these morons a voice.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    "Storm has more screentime than she

    by DoctorWho? reason enough not to see this. Of all the characters, even Cyclops...Storm has been been the least developed. And mis cast I might add.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by IndustryKiller

    In what part of that post did I say Harry was hte be all and end all of critics. In fact I believe I said I typically disagree with him. I commend him for one thing because I think he deserves it. Just because he is an idiot most of the time doesn&#39;t mean he doesn&#39;t deserve a bit of praise now and again. Maybe if you are going to try to slag me you would better use your time forming an argument against me.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Oh FUCK!!

    by Doc_Strange

    Well, looks like the negatives are starting to outweigh the positives on this one. I&#39;m thinking double feature on sunday 2-3 weeks from now when no one cares about Xmen and DaVinci Code. The summer isn&#39;t shaping up very well indeed. A word to FOX: You guys really need to shake up your summer movie department. I guarantee with the lackluster returns these movies are going to get, you&#39;re gonna need to start taking responsibility and not blaming internet sites like this one and movie pirates for low box office returns.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    No you gotta cast younger to ensure longevity. Michael Rosenbaum/Ben Browder as Cyclops, Rutger Hauer as Mags, Avery Brooks/Andre Braugher as Xavier...

  • May 24, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or are there studio reps on here now?

    by Doc_Strange

    I get the feeling there are quite a few new talkbackers here who just created an account to defend X3. If so, that&#39;s just sad guys. The key to making a good movie starts with the script, make good ones with respect to the core audience (comic book geeks). You then will not have as much backlash as you&#39;re experiencing right now. I just had a terrible thought: This is exactly what&#39;s gonna happen with Transformers with the shit script and the superfluous changes to Optimus Prime. Michael Bay is FUCKED!!! You heard it here first.

  • May 24, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST

    cuddly wolverine

    by oisin5199

    Well, if you&#39;re talking about comic book adaptation, one aspect of Wolverine from the comics is as a gruff mentor figure to the young kids, especially the girls (Kitty Pryde, Jubilee, etc.) There are many, many different Wolverines. I&#39;m looking forward to a different one for the prequel. But it seems like it served the story for X3 to make him a mentor. Once again, just like with FF, Harry is reviewing the film he wishes he could have seen and not the actual film. He criticizes the film(s) because they&#39;re not what he would have imagined in his head, so he&#39;s forever biased. I&#39;ll try to judge the film on its own merits.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    What to do?

    by Lenonn

    Is there any way (short of buying lots and lots of shares of stock in Fox) that fans could get Tom Rothman fired so he never touches the franchise again? Normally, I would not advocate something like this, but... he may have just fracked up the movie series beyond repair.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Now that I&#39;ve seen it...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    The only review I want to read is one written by Bryan Singer. For me, the film is beautiful, there&#39;s only one thing I wanted more of, that is Olivia Williams talking in that accent, yum.

  • May 24, 2006, 11:54 p.m. CST

    Just got back from seeing this.

    by Conan_the_Humble

    It was the least of the 3 X-Men movies, but it wasn&#39;t as bad as Harry made out. If he doesn&#39;t have an ulterior motive for his hatred of this movie then I&#39;m not here, now. It was alright and if most comic book movies met this standard, I&#39;d be pretty happy. At least it was certainly no Batman and Robin... Cheers.

  • May 25, 2006, midnight CST

    Just show the X-Men cartoon Phoenix Saga instead

    by George Newman

    I&#39;m gonna take all these bootlegs of the cartoons on line and edit them into one big x-men film. And the prelude stuff too, with the Shi-ar energy monster in the subway too, that aired alongside the Power Rangers season 2 premiere!!! Remember?! It was this awesome friday (and maybe saturday too) night event!! I loved it. But I&#39;m going to make this cartoon movie.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    A retort Yackbacker

    by IndustryKiller

    You are absolutely correct about Harry, but you see Harry is part of the disease as least he is now. This site used to be something far different than it is today. Don&#39;t forget this was the site that started the revolution that got the awful sounding McG Superman taken off the map. Good was once done here. Long ago. before the dark times. Hell Harry used to be someone of respect. His now acrid wit used to actually work. He&#39;s gotten a bit drunk on his own power and pretention. At least every movie has about a 50% support base on this site nowadays, no matter how awful (the Prequels), mediocre (Spider-Man), or simply good for what it is (Batman Begins). it used to be that people actually demanded more. Maybe I&#39;m looking at it through some slightly rose colored glasses but it certainly wasn&#39;t the love fest it is now. And the fact that we have anyone singing the Rat&#39;s praises makes it a lovefest. It&#39;s as if fanboys have just gotten fed shit for so long that they actually like shit. I&#39;m not sure hwat Hollywood has to do these days to blaspheme these characters more into oblivion to make people care again. I for one still love these characters and don&#39;t want to wait another 15 years for a good x-men film. And maybe some of the more cynical types are matter what we say the studios will make garbage. But liking it cheapens everything that comics books stand for. If you can&#39;t see that than that&#39;s really fucking sad.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Hey YackBacke, next time you ride the white pony...

    by DOGSOUP

    ...tell her she&#39;s pretty hot when she talks about Gambit....

  • May 25, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST

    It seems that all Harry wants...

    by decfx

    is to be right with his review and all others are not. It&#39;s your opinion, Harry. Some will like it and others won&#39;t. It doesn&#39;t mean you&#39;re right. Jesus fucking H Christ!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ll check it out....

    by obi-bear

    Wow...haven&#39;t seen this much whining and pining over a movie since...the last Star Wars! A couple of, I think we can thank Peter Jackson for the studio&#39;s (and theater owners)sudden gunshyness over long running times. After that bloated furry holiday debacle last year (which Harry and this site trumpeted like the second coming), I think it&#39;s going to be a while before theater owners let themselves get saddled with weeks of empty theaters showing 3 or maybe 4 showings a day when a shorter film at least let&#39;s try and get more butts in the seats... Could X3 have used a little more time? Probably...haven&#39;t seen it yet myself but judging fro the stuff I&#39;ve read, it does sound like too much information is being crammed into 90 minutes... Second...I&#39;m sorry that this movie is not fulfilling so many folk&#39;s desire to see every little nuance spelled out from their particular favorite Xmen comic story...we&#39;re talking over twenty years of background to draw from here, not to mention that movies are NOT the same as seeing it on the page...whole different medium here folks... I for one don&#39;t follow the comics...never have. (Sorry...the guy in the yellow leotard with the pointy Mardi-Gra mask just couldn&#39;t draw me in bub...) It&#39;s been interesting to follow a pattern in the reviews for this so;s looking like the average movie goer or un-comic-saavy critic is taking this movie for what it is....summer entertainment...a babysitter mvie. SHould it have been more? Don&#39;t know...the last two were kinda just that...entertainment. It&#39;ll be interesting to breeze by here after friday and see what regular mortals make of all;s gotta be better than the adult diaper movie last fall (Serenity..another Harry second coming) or Tom&#39;s male menopause flick (yet another Harry lovefest). We&#39;ll see...

  • May 25, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Saw it, seriously Poseidon was better

    by andrew coleman

    This movie is horrible! Why are you people defending it are you blind or have mental issues? Or were you stoned and saw your own special movie? Holy crap what a crapfest. I&#39;m so confused. Have the people on these TB&#39;s lost their minds? Seriously I&#39;m having a serious issue why this movie isn&#39;t being panned across the board. I guess movies in general are fucked. I have to play more video games or something. P.S. Poseidon was awful too so that&#39;s saying something.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:20 a.m. CST

    "At least it was certainly no Batman and Robin"?

    by Malebolgia

    ?what kind of a positive review is that you FUCKING JACKASS!! BLOW ME!! AND FUCK BRETT RATNER, SPOILED COCKSUCKER!!

  • May 25, 2006, 2:25 a.m. CST

    One final thing to say about this movie...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    Name for me two X men comics that are in the same world. Sure the big things, like say &#39;NO MORE MUTANTS&#39; or &#39;I&#39;m Charles Xavier, and I am a mutant&#39; go over mulitiple titles, but somehow wolverine seems to be in every comic, no matter if two different books happen at the same moment, one set in paraguay and one set on mars. Continuity, like real continuity, can&#39;t exist in the soap opera-esque world that is comic books. And these movies, are just another part of that world. BTW, I stopped reading X men comics after the house of M, I didn&#39;t even know what it was until I read about it in IGN&#39;s list thing, just one day I picked up the book and no one had any damn powers. talk about skipping over important details. The movie is good people, you just have to let it be.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST

    I stand-by my comments - Ratner&#39;s films look cinematic.

    by Darth Fart

    Ratner&#39;s movies look larger than life, cinematic, BIG, but needs a lot of talent around him to get the story right -- he doesn&#39;t have that around him. Look at Red Dragon, it looks like a big event film but the script&#39;s poor. Larger than life doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s a good film but they have that vibe about them. Check out Star Trek The Motion Picture, it&#39;s cinematic but the story doesn&#39;t work. Star Trek 2 is done like a television show and has good story.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Harry, any signs of an extended cut?

    by Calico Pete

    Is this a case where the studio cut the film down? Was the script more substantial? Will we see a longer cut on DVD?

  • May 25, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Re: Malebolgia

    by Conan_the_Humble

    Quote: "what kind of a positive review is that you FUCKING JACKASS!! BLOW ME!! AND FUCK BRETT RATNER, SPOILED COCKSUCKER!!" Lay off the crackpipe dickhead. Who says I have to give it a positive review? It&#39;s my opinion that it was not terrible, (which Batman and Robin IS) but it certainly cannot be called good, unlike X2. If you don&#39;t like my opinion, you can fucken blow me. Cheers.

  • May 25, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST

    To all the Talkbackers:

    by mrfan

    I love the posts. It is nice to get up in the morning and laugh my ass off. I agree and disagree but love the variety that hit these message boards. Thanks to everyone even if I disagreed with them. As for the movie they should have never touched the DP storyline. Great stuff but just too overwhelming for a movie. It might stand on its own if done as a trilogy in the sort of Lord of the Rings way. They should have stuck with the Mutant Cure storyline only. I will see this movie this weekend.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Chris Tucker

    by Halloween68

    Yeah. I agree. Tucker did ruin FIFTH ELEMENT. I thought the over-the-top in your face character he played worked fine with the overall feel of the movie, but it should have been brief. The real issue I have is they made what should have been a brief supporting appearance into a lead that stayed on screen (and in your face) for over half the movie. Aaaaa! If they would have cut his screentime by about two thirds, FE would have rocked. As it is, it&#39;s still a fun movie, it&#39;s just not a great fun movie.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:19 a.m. CST


    by Orbots Commander

    If Marvel reboots the franchise down the road they would have to get a cast of relative unknowns to sign up for a multi picture deal, otherwise what doomed this X-franchise now, exhorbitant talent money deals, would doom the next one. If they signed Russell Crowe for Wolverine, which would be perfect casting by the way, everyone else in the cast would play second banana to him as he&#39;s the bigger star and any other good name actors would be nearly unaffordable while also taking into account the FX budget. Before the first X-Men Singer flick, Hugh Jackman was just some stage and soap actor from Australia. I believe at the time he was doing an Australian stage production of &#39;Oklahoma&#39;.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Industry Killer - your logic is non existent.

    by Childe Roland

    In your first post calling the bulk of folks who post on this site morons for liking certain comic book films, you indict their taste in film. But you clearly reveal in your last post that your issue is with the lack of faithfulness in these films to the comics themselves, indicating you have nothing at all new to add to this debate except a slightly less valid editorial stance (essentially, you&#39;re saying anyone who doesn&#39;t hold comic source material as reverent as you obviously do knows nothing about good movies). Like I said: illogical and unsupported. In fact, if you think movies and comics are the same thing, it&#39;s you who knows nothing about movies. And just because you feel something strongly does not in any way, shape or form make it a fact. Ratner has directed some shitty movies. Doesn&#39;t make him worthless as a director. Unless of course, by applying that same criteria, you dismiss Spielberg, Coppola, Tarantino and Shyamalan as worthless directors. Have you even seen X3?

  • May 25, 2006, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Danny Devito as Wolverine

    by andenu

    you know it&#39;s perfect

  • May 25, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I can&#39;t wait to see it.

    by BilboRing

    I never got into the X-Men comics so I am sure I am going to love it more than my friends who are huge fans of the comics. I was always into the Spider-Man comics and I really loved the first two movies. You can&#39;t expect these films to follow everything perfectly. If that were the case, I would have hated the LOTR trilogy. But I expected it to be made a little more Hollywood friendly and I loved them.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Wow. Harry Found A Way To Hate The Film Anyway


    In spite of not hating Ratner&#39;s work, whom he was geared to hate from the word GO, and in spite of really liking many aspects of the flick, he&#39;s not recommending it. (Although the "normals" were entertained. You know, the riff-raff. The AUDIENCE.) I just don&#39;t understand how so many bad movies with good scenes get a pass or an endorsement but not X-3, which you don&#39;t even think is as bad as Superman III. Jar-Jar you wuv-wuved, right? Hulk, which was a boring bunch of nonsense disguised by clever editing, you sat in poop for. Hell, every piece of plotless junk with a beheading that comes out of any Asian market you salivate over--so why not give X:3 its due?

  • May 25, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

    I just got back from X3 and i must say with all my being - you&#39;re an imbicile. Firstly, this film was fucking top shit. It&#39;s everything I go to the movies for. secondly, how the fuck can you sit back and justify yourself and your pathetic shit? You&#39;ve been bagging shit out of this film since the announcement of Ratner as Director. You know the power you hold. You have fan boys follow you in their hundreds as you lay the shit on what I beleive to be a fine film maker. Seriously man, you have a lot to live up to. what do you have? Do you have a film of X3 in your resume of visual art you&#39;ve created? No man, you have an orange and grey web site with a little cartoon of yourself. Now I love this site, don&#39;t get me wrong, i love coming in and using your bandwith to talkback and forth with the cinema going elite (for dramatic lack of a better term) But this shit has just turned me off. I hated X2. You loved it. I loved X3 but you hated it. Sure, our tastes vary. But I can&#39;t fathom it. How can you praise a film like x2 as being near perfect, with it&#39;s pathetic acting and it&#39;s lame script and it&#39;s weak as shit action, over this new film. This film had class. It had style and it had some pretty fucking nifty surprises. You&#39;ve done a service for X3, to me. I went in expecting the biggest pile of shit -- but it didn&#39;t happen my friend. I was absolutely wraped up in it. The dilemas were strong. The action pieces were exciting and the surprises just kept on coming. This is the best of the series. Having said that, i did find 2 things a little iffy with it - the simulation battle at the begining. but you know what, compared to cerebro.... and the rehashing of it in X2....... that simulator was to be expected I guess. The other issues i had was the kid with the power to take powers away. i was expecting him to be the one to difuse Jean grey. But he didn&#39;t. He just kinda disapeared. Now these are not thing that would make me hate this film. Not by any stretch of the imagination. This film was fucking awesome. And I&#39;ll sit here all night and argue each and every one of you fucking cunts who wants to point out what a dick head I am. And let me reinterate. X2 was a piece of shit! and utter slimy piece of shit. I seriously want the 4 hours back I spent watching it - once in the cinema, and second dozing on the lounge with nothing else on TV. And I&#39;ll say one more thing. I have no faith in anything you write at all anymore Harry. You praised a film a few years back called under cover brother. i was embarrased that i encouraged a group of friends to go see that film on your glorious review. Now, I&#39;m embarrased that i told everyone not to go see this film because it&#39;s been getting bad reviews. you&#39;re a fucking hack harry. Answer the call on this one. Because i just don&#39;t know what your game is. This film was fucking cool!!

  • May 25, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Defending X3? Why?!?

    by Saluki

    What happened to the AICN of 2000? When fanboys actually DEMANDED good product? Product that was true? Now they think they are getting something better than X2. HA! You guys are gonna get SCREWED tommorrow. I&#39;ve never seen so many people defend a movie that haven&#39;t seen yet. Dear GOD, you all want SOMETHING to like this summer, eh?

  • May 25, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST


    by ZO

    harry cuts up bret ratner! who didnt see that coming??

  • May 25, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    This is EXACTLY What I&#39;m Getting AT....


    Harry, from your Narnia review: "THE CHRONICLE OF NARNIA: THE LION, THE WITCH AND THE WARDROBE is a magical film that will take you away, if you allow it. It isn

  • May 25, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST

    capboulder - i hope you&#39;re not refering to me

    by BendersShinyAss

    I saw it not 2 hours ago. It was a fucking champion film. Better than 1 & 2 combined. I just don&#39;t understand the snake venom towards this film.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    So the studio plants have completley taken over ...

    by wash

    talk back now. Wow.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST

    here&#39;s my prediction for next week....

    by BendersShinyAss

    When the mass audiances get wind of just how good this film is, the venom will be re-drected onto Harry and Co. Seriously, i have lost all respect for this site. X3 is a cinematic masterpiece. I mean it. laugh at me. call me a plant. Call me a lyer. Accuse me of being on crack. I loved this film - And so did the full house audiance i saw it with. Champion film. Brett Ratner diserves a formal apology from this site. I hope you fan boys are big enough to stand up to this bull shit movie site. All credibility has just gone right down the the shitter for me. I know, i&#39;m as shocked as you. AICN.... you suck.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:37 a.m. CST

    X3-Saw it last night

    by Knightsong

    Overall I found the film entertaining, was it as good as the Did it fit well with the series? Yes. Were the character changes As a both a comic book fan and a fan of the movie there are difference Singer made in his translation to the screen that did not do character&#39;s justice. Psyclops was hardly a major player, although he should have been...he was almost a foot note in the second film. Jean Gray was cast way too old, and other than a love at first sight explanation, her love involvement with Wolverine was pretty rushed. The greatest tradgedy of the series, in my opinion, was Rogue. They gave her potential in the first film, didn&#39;t do much to develope her into a major player in the second, and chopped her head off in the third. She pretty much didn&#39;t even need to be in the third one, they could have just saved the screen time for Kitty. What happened to Mystique was pretty aweful to her character; that character had really made her mark in the 2nd film and needed to continue developing. However if you want more spoiler stuff read on: While Magneto is cured, by four injector needles to the chest, at the end they show him already getting his powers back. Which means the cure could be temporary and that both Mystique and Rogue could show back up with powers. Perhaps this was their plan from the beginning. Perhaps it will create a larger story where the mutants who thought to have been cured are now outraged that they aren&#39;t and the situation just adds to the unrest. Another spoiler is what happens at the end of the credits, Xavior tranfering his mind into the body of a comatose patient. So right there four of the 6 chracters really messed with could deffinately return. While Scott may be dead, he may as well have been sinse #2...if they weren&#39;t going to develope him in the series get him out. And lastly while Jean died at the end, there is always the chance she could "Rise from the ashes" as her name sujest and return to the series. And if Jean has enough power to disintigrate people as the dark Phoenix, perhaps if she returns as the good one, she&#39;ll re-intigrate Scott. So there you have it. Anything done in this movie could be easilly reverse in future films. It is a comic book world, and as we all know, no one truely stays dead in comic book world now do they.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Could this summer be any less exciting???

    by JDanielP

    I&#39;ve been trying to skip spoilers... just skipping down to final paragraphs. I just wanted to sum up various feelings about the flick. And I&#39;ve read enough. I&#39;ve read enough to be uneXcited about this opening weekend. I was actually looking forward to this thing... very much so, in fact. But now? Pssshhh. So what about "SUPERMAN RETURNS"??? The only thing that excites me about "SR" is the potential for special/visual effects... and that it&#39;s been so long since I&#39;ve seen Superman on the big screen. And just how much does that get me excited and into the theatre these days??? Not much. It takes more than just surface material (and the poor costume design doesn&#39;t help). But here&#39;s to hoping that "SUPERMAN RETURNS" is much better than expected. Otherwise, this is going to be one hell of a boring summer at the local movie theatre... that is, if I even go at all, during this so-called summer movie-going season.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Saluki: There&#39;s a difference between defending...

    by Childe Roland

    ...a movie you haven&#39;t seen and questioning the motives and logic of those who bash it. Harry&#39;s seen it, but he didn&#39;t talk about it much. He spent his time talking about what he&#39;d rather have seen. Most of the people calling for Ratner&#39;s and Rothman&#39;s blood in this talkback HAVEN&#39;T seen it yet, but they (and you) are accusing those of us who demand a little reason and explanation for such hate of being desperate to like it? That makes no sense. I&#39;m perfectly willing to entertain the notion that the movie might be crap. BUt I refuse to make that call until I&#39;ve seen it. Harry would prefer we not have that experience...that we just take his very clearly biased word for he can point the finger at Rothman and Arad and say "see? you should have listened to me!" I&#39;m sorry, but I won&#39;t be used in that way. Ebert dug the film. Mori dug the film. Vern dug the film. That&#39;s enough for me to give it a chance and see how it fares on its own merits and in the context of the other two movies. What are you and the others who refuse to see it based on Harry&#39;s and Massawyrm&#39;s spoiled fanboy ramblings so afraid of? WHy are you so determined to hate a movie you haven&#39;t seen?

  • May 25, 2006, 10:56 a.m. CST

    This Summer is as SHIT as last Summer...

    by future help

    so far anyways... iam looking forward to 2007.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:20 a.m. CST

    For all the moaners and complainers

    by emeraldboy

    What sort of bloody summer do want, then? Do you want films that entertain. or do you want films that make you think. if you want films that make you think then wait till the autumn and if you wnat films that dont that is what summer is for. When making a big budget action comic, the studios do not have comic book fans in mind, because like it or not they are not the only ones going to see those types of films. I liked the die hard trilogy, but is a fourth one necessary. 16 blocks had its moments but mos def and the terrible ending really ruined the movie for me. I cant wait to see POTC2. United 93 has to open in irish theatres, its first review in the UK tomorrow night on when news review comes from cannes. Those who moan and complain, i have a tip, dont go to the cinema.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST

    No one gives a flying fuck Harry

    by crazywill722

    You&#39;ve been nothing but negative about the movie from the beginning, if you had posted a positive review you would&#39;ve gotten flamed - Your opinion has no value whatsoever considering the absolute shit you praise.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Yep, let&#39;s get this summer movie season over with.

    by Orbots Commander

    So far we&#39;ve had two underwhelming mediocrities in M:I 3 and DAVINCI CODE, and one outright belly flop in POSEIDON. X3 looks like another mediocrity that can wait for DVD and I&#39;ll withhold judgement on SUPERMAN RETURNS until its release. Only movie that I&#39;m really looking forward to now is PTOC 2. Ah well. I guess I&#39;ll be spending more of this summer outdoors and picking up a couple of good novels for entertainment purposes.

  • May 25, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    I tip for this website:

    by emeraldboy

    There are lots of people who havent see this film. spoiler warnings would be nice. Rogue in the cartoon was my favourite character, because she could as we all absorb the strenght of ordinary people and could absorb the power of other mutants. I feel sorry for Anna Pacquin but if it gave her a major paycheck then I assume she is happy but the main weakness over all in this trilogy was the decision by singer and the writers to make Wolverine the main player because what happened was all the characters became secondary to him. but look at what Hugh jackman, he gets no only to set up his production company but also gets to produce the third xmen movie. I saw the scene where magneto and xavier meet jean gray for the first time and the cgi on McKellen and stewart, nurse the screens......

  • May 25, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I have read enough reviews not to trust Harry.

    by Cotton McKnight

    He has been so off on so many things lately, I tend to trust Moriarty more. That and I never read the comic books so I don&#39;t think I&#39;ll even know what i&#39;m supposed to be "mad" at.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Ignore these reviews!

    by BigBadBeeatch

    Go and see the movie for yourselves people then make your mind up. The AICN crew are just pissed because they didn&#39;t get some canon-centric jack-off comic book extravaganza brought to the big screen. Sorry, that&#39;s with the exception of Mori who gave the only unbiased review imo. Sorry Harry, but I&#39;m afraid you&#39;re not going to get Storm spinning off into the sky and uttering some cheesy line begging the wind and rain of the Northern skies to dampen their spirits, besides Halle would more than likely fuck that dialogue up. A lot of the comic would not translate well to the big screen and I&#39;m sure fx budget constraints stopped them going certain routes, ie. Practical make-up effects for Beast and the Juggernaut over CGI. Yes it would have been cool to see old blue boy bouncing off walls or a massively built Juggers laying down his fists but it wasn&#39;t to be. The uber geeks wouldn&#39;t be happy no matter how much authentic imagery you threw at them. Fuck &#39;em! Go enjoy the movie!

  • May 25, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I just read the title of the review...

    by RobinP

    ...and failed to be surprised. In the words of the great one...&#39;nuff said.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by DOGSOUP

    Helena Bohnam Carter WILL be Bellatrix LaStrange in the Order of the Phoenix! Now let&#39;s get Guy Pearce as Gambit.......

  • May 25, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Actually, Jarv, you just gave...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the only real valid reasons for someone who hasn&#39;t seen this film to skip it. I would hope anyone who feels the way you do would give it a miss...and would also have the sense to not to go on and on in an Internet talkback forum about what a piece of turd it is. See my point? If you don&#39;t care then truly don&#39;t care. Go all nihilistic on it. Better yet, just ignore it and give the talkback a miss as well. I&#39;d rather read the opinion of someone who has seen it and hates it (for whatever reason) than another pointless "meh" from someone who can&#39;t be bothered to care. And captboulder, you are aware of the concepts of subtext, context and implied meaning, right? When someone presents himself as a film critic offering a review of a film and then proceeds to pan it, the implication is that the audience should skip it. When someone posing as a critic has the baggage Harry has in relation to this project and has gone on record offering advice to the film maker that was ignored, the motive for the bad review (that isn&#39;t really a review at all), the ulterior motive is clear as well. Again, I&#39;m not defending the film because I haven&#39;t seen it (and because I think Ebert, Mori and Vern do an admirable job of nullifying the Harry, Quint and Massawyrn "reviews"). I&#39;m just pointing out the inherent and obvious flaws in Harry&#39;s, Massa&#39;s and Quint&#39;s reviews and in the logic of the folks who seem to ready to take them as objective.

  • May 25, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Good call DOG...

    by brycemonkey

    I want Pierce for Gambit non?!

  • May 25, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Bender, Bender, Bender......*sigh*

    by Shermdawg

  • May 25, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Many of you don&#39;t make any sense

    by andrew coleman

    You seem to have been enlightened to fight the good fight and back X3. Claiming those who have even seen it and don&#39;t like it are assholes. Calling them haters who don&#39;t like to have a good time. Then you turn around and bash on Harry or other movies? You people don&#39;t make much sense, and those who have claimed to read the comics and like this movie, you work for Fox because anyone who read those comics and then watches this movie will not be happy. By the way don&#39;t be dissing the cartoon series that shit was sweet. I still want to know when those will be on DVD.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Vincent Cassel as Gambit, damn it

    by lynxpro

    Cast it right. See *Derailed* or *Brotherhood of the Wolf* for better reference. Or *Blueberry*. Same goes for Christopher Eccleston as The Joker in the sequel to *Batman Begins* and Monica Bellucci as love interest Talia Al Ghul.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Saw it and liked it! So shoot me


    Yeah Geezers Just saw X3 and I liked it a lot. Singer jumped ship so fuck him and deal with what we got and not what we didn&#39;t. I&#39;m a fan of the comics and this movie really pleased me, shocked me and entertained me. It got on with the show unlike X2 which got on with the snores. Of course it wasn&#39;t perfect (No comic Adapt has been) and I want answers to certain questions, like what happened to Leech and is the cure just a temporary thing as is suggested in one certain character? Also if one character has deatomised but is apparently still about, is the other? The action was good, the pace was good and the effects were to! This is not the worst movie ever as Harry and other contributers would have us believe. This tidies things up nicely and watch till the end of the credits and you&#39;ll see see that more may yet come our way! Congrats to the Rat who has achieved beyond all odds and delivered the goods. We could bitch all day on how we wanted certain things, christ maybe Da Vinchi would have finished the Mona Lisa eventually but it&#39;s still regarded a masterpiece. This is still Xcellent! Watch and Enjoy, I&#39;m sure the overwhelming majority of you will. Take it easy you fucking Legends. BadBoy XXXXXX

  • May 25, 2006, 1:57 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s impossible NOT to please these imbeciles

    by IndustryKiller

    All they need is people in costumes fighting. It doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s poorly directed, acted, edited, and written. We are dealing with worst of apologists here. Can&#39;t please the fans? Bullshit. Defeatist bullshit. And even if that were true X3 still would be a poor excuse for a film. yous ee it&#39;s not just a bad x-men movie, it&#39;s a bad movie. Mediocre action and character alla round the board. The funny thing here is in a year people will be talking about how awful X3 was just like we do with Fantastic FOur and Episode 3. What I really don&#39;t understand is how you people can wallow in your stupidity with so much arrogance. Celebrating the fact that you like bad movies and don&#39;t care. Disgusting. And for those who say you don&#39;t care if the characters are wrong because you don&#39;t read hte comics.....ok. But rest assured if the characters were at all like the comics your enjoyment of the movies would only increase exponentially so don&#39;t be so quick to celebrate your ignorance you only hurt yourselves.

  • May 25, 2006, 1:58 p.m. CST

    No, spectrebeeyatch, I&#39;m afraid it&#39;s you...

    by Childe Roland

    ...who&#39;s making no sense. You&#39;re spouting a bunch of nonsense you&#39;d like to believe was true because it would make those opposed to your view sound like hypocrites, but you don&#39;t set up a proper conditional for hypocrisy in your allegation (the people bashing Harry are bashing him for pre-emptively hating a film and becoming a self-fulfilling fanboy prophecy) and you don&#39;t provide evidence for your allegation that the same people defending X3 bash other films at all. Not to mention, I can&#39;t find one person calling anyone who&#39;s actually seen the film and claimed not to enjoy it an asshole for holding that opinion. You just made that shit up. Then you make a ridiculous assertion like anyone who&#39;s read the comics and claims to enjoy this film must work for Fox. You&#39;re like the king of illogic in this talkback, and that&#39;s saying a whole lot given the company in here.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:03 p.m. CST

    why am I not surprised.

    by samsquanch

  • May 25, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST

    And for any Ratner apologists.

    by IndustryKiller

    You say he&#39;s a good filmmaker? What movie has he made that would be any sort of proof of this? Certainly not any of the Rush Hour films, Definitely not After the Sunset, not the Family Man, those are all unarguably terrible movies, so what we have left is Red Dragon. If Red Dragon was watchable it had nothing to do with Brett Ratner. By all measures a by-the-numbers borefest from a directing standpoint. WHat that did have going for it was Edward Norton, Ralph Fiennes, Philip Seymour Hoffman, and Samantha Morton. I don&#39;t say Anthony Hopkins because his post-Lambs Lecter is a shadow of what it was originally. With actors like that it&#39;s impossible to make a film that isn&#39;t at least slightly entertaining. No Ratner is a studio shill with absolutely no vision or eye for dramatic flair and I&#39;m pretty sure anyone on this site defending him as a director is either a studio plant, 13 years old, or mentally handicapped.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I didn&#39;t see anything out of line about that review...

    by BuLLeT_TiMe

    Unlike a lot of you guys, I don&#39;t think Harry&#39;s a twat for his opinion of the film. There are other reasons for that. (I kid) In the beginning, Harry&#39;s hate on the movie was because Brett Ratner was helming it, but in his review, he says several times that the failing of the movie IS NOT DUE TO RATNER, but Rothman and his choices, the rushed production schedule being one of them. So how does that equate to some telegraphed hatred for the movie? If his review was bashing the movie because of Ratner then you&#39;d have a point. But Harry actually said that he thinks Ratner could have done a good job with more time and less backseat driving from the studio. What&#39;s so hard to understand about that? I havent seen the movie yet, but it sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I don&#39;t think Ratner&#39;s really a hack. He&#39;s no Hitchcock, but he can make a pretty good movie. I liked the Rush Hour films, as well as Red Dragon. ..........PS: To all the people saying "shut up about faithfulness, comic geeks", two words for you assholes: SIN CITY.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    And speaking of the company...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and competition for king of illogic, see my post to you above IndustryKiller! You are actually kind of hilarious in that you&#39;re suggesting one must have a sacred reverence for comic book source material in order to be a discerning film fan. That alone is worth a few yuks, especially when you consider the amount of retcon that goes on in your average comic book title in just ten years, let alone thirty. I would argue you need to be some sort of schizophrenic (or perhaps Xavier&#39;s pre-Age of Apocalypse kid, Legion) to maintain simultabneous reverence for every piece of X-Men history that the comics established (and subsequently nullified, neglected or rewrote). Then there&#39;s the whole essential difference between the medium of comics and the medium of film, which allows more than ample room for someone to appreciate the one without appreciating the other. And here&#39;s the one that&#39;s going to absolutely rock your world: It&#39;s possible to like and appreciate both the convoluted mess that the comic continuity has become AND the much more cohesive, similar yet completely independent story told in the films. It&#39;s like kids who enjoy both reruns of the Muppet Show and of the Muppet Babies cartoon (the latter being a pretty good analogy for the X-movies, since its a cartoon about puppets and, like a movie about comic characters, is a case of fictional characters to the second power). You need to understand that you&#39;re trying to attack people&#39;s taste oin movies, but you can&#39;t do it without harping on them for either their ignorance of or ability to ignore thirty years of comic geek baggage. What part of this argument seems logically sound to you?

  • May 25, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    What the hell are you talking about Childe?

    by IndustryKiller

    I said nothing about adhering to every single piece of comic book lore. I said if the characters were CLOSER (not even exact) to what they are in the comics non fans would also be more pleased with the movies. I say this because they don&#39;t know what they are missing. Bad ass Wolverine (not smart ass pansy babysitter Wolverine), On point leader Cyclops (not non existent statue Cyclops) etc. are all mouch better than what we get in the films. C&#39;mon Childe I don&#39;t think even a young lad like you would argue that the characters in the movie are improved or even on point with what they are int he comics. And I don&#39;t say that because they don&#39;t follow every little origin point or whatever from the comics, I say it because they missed the SPIRIT of what makes these characters great. Childe you don&#39;t seem to be taking anyones argument against this film at face value, you are inventing things that I nor spectre neither implied or said.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Sin City was an interesting experiment...

    by Childe Roland

    ...BuLLeT_TiMe, and a spectacular adaptation of a comic book story (several, actually) to the motion picture medium. But it isn&#39;t a very good movie. People who weren&#39;t fans of the graphic novels, by and large, were baffled by it. I enjoyed it because I enjoyed the comics and despite some truly awful performances in it. As a lover of movies, I forgave a lot because I also love comics. Interesting that people can&#39;t do the reverse with something like X3 and recognize it as a decent film (going by the accounts of non comic geeks and Mori, who straddles the line) even if it&#39;s not a Sin City style love letter to fans. And Sin City had the advantage of tackling some pretty well-defined, finite source material (and still managed to leave some things out). We&#39;re talking about 35+ years of fucking X-Men comics. If they tackled it Sin City style, you wouldn&#39;t live long enough to finish watching it unless you took all your meals and shits in front of a movie screen. PS: Congratulations on being the guy who calls others assholes just for not sharing his opinion. If only your opinion wasn&#39;t the same as spectrebeeyatch&#39;s, you might&#39;ve helped make him sound less ridiculous.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Vincent Cassel as Gambit...

    by brycemonkey

    Wow lynxpro, you might have got me to change my mind... He would be good AND Frenchylike (I just watched Brotherhood last week). I&#39;m flip-flopping! Pierce would be good as Gambit but Cassel fits even better mon-cher!

  • May 25, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Go back and read your own posts, IndustryKiller!

    by Childe Roland

    Because I have no interest in quoting your own words back to you. Your last post was a conitnuation of the argument you tried to make further above...that people who find anything good in this film are desperate to love a comic book movie. You know what you typed and you know what you meant...and now you know how stupid you sounded, so you&#39;re calling me a liar instead of refuting my points. I&#39;d say nice try, but it wasn&#39;t. Try again. Try harder.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Dark Phoenix, is a hot evil bitch...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Flying around in a huge flaiming bird, shooting bolts of energy, and consuming a star, killing billions. That would be an awsome flick. This ain&#39;t it...

  • May 25, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    "Regular Audience"

    by AlyFox

  • May 25, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    "Regular Audience"

    by AlyFox

    For board shitlez, smutpeddlar, hipcheck13, DigitalDong: I have not visited this site in a long time. I keep it on my Favorites list in case a trailer or some other bit of news catches my eye. But HARRY, your casual reference to the "regular audience" is the NUMBER ONE REASON why I don&#39;t visit this site nearly as often as I used to. This site used to be "Hey everyone! Look what juicy bit of info I just found out! Ain&#39;t it cool?" Now, it comes across as "Hey everyone! Look what juicy bit of info I just found out! Ain&#39;t I cool?" The focus should be on the info, NOT the person who found it or how it was obtained. Harry, I&#39;d like to believe that you did not mean "regular" in a derogatory way. That you meant it to mean a person not steeped in Comic book lore. I&#39;d like to believe that, but I find it difficult, due to the previous articles, reviews and viewpoints you have posted. I know, I know, if I don&#39;t like it, I don&#39;t have to visit. This site is popular, and if it ain&#39;t broke, why should a few naysayers make you change your M.O.? The answer is this: This site used to be for everyone, now it seems like a site for a select few. I hope that changes in the future. Alyfox out.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    funny Childe

    by IndustryKiller

    that&#39;s what I thought. Even you don&#39;t know what you are talking about considering I never said anything near what you are implying. And I didn&#39;t say people who find ANYTHING good in this film, I said people who think it&#39;s a good film. And to refute another point of yours. Specifiallythat the filmmakers have the challenge of fitting 35 years of cannon into a film or two. Who ever told Fox they had to fit 35 years into three films? No one. Everyone would be happy if they went one story at a time. No one said these films had to end at 3. No one even expected it. there goes that argument. Sorry little guy.

  • May 25, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    This site used to be for everyone?

    by IndustryKiller

    This site used ot be for film lovers. People who were steeped in lore in one way or the other, whether it be comics books or Italian filmmakers. it was for the hardcore. People with taste. Not Brett Ratner apologists. i&#39;m not exactly sure what history youa re refering to Alyfox. This is where hardcore film nuts could come to be among the like minded. Now people who don&#39;t like the swill Hollywood shoves down their throat are called "haters", a pathetic bit of self blindfolding if there ever was one. This site was never meant for the casual filmgoer, especially the talkbacks never were, it&#39;s unfortunate that it turned out that way.

  • May 25, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    No more &#39;thank you for posting&#39;...

    by brycemonkey

    I take it no-one else gets thanked now and I&#39;m not being singled out... Just another symptom of the bad tempered TB world we live in ;-)

  • May 25, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    And now it&#39;s back!

    by brycemonkey

    This site is messing with me, I swear...

  • May 25, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Cameron1

    just one thing, the writers on X-3 are Penn and Kinberg. The writers on the other 2 were Doughetry and Harris, who left when Singer did and went with him to Superman Returns.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Again you fail, IndustryKiller!, to cop to the...

    by Childe Roland

    ...ridiculous assertions you&#39;ve made. So you force me to do the diststeful and mundane -- quote you and illuminate the inherent flaws in your logic point for point. In your first post, which attempts to put anyone who claims to enjoy the film immediately on the defensive by questioning their fan cred, you type: "Fanboys used to police the film industry at least in some small way from making mockeries of beloved characters." In what instances other than the Superman incident (which this site has always taken way too much credit for) has fanboy pre-hate had a significant impact on any comic book superhero movie? Did it stop FF from being made? Batman & Robin? Episodes II or III? What about Catwoman? If your assertion were true, wouldn&#39;t there be fewer films on the list you put forth in the same post? You then type: "Now fanboys will argue any angle or make any ridiculous justification in order to force themselves to love a franchise." This is pretty much your thesis statement and it&#39;s all based on your predisposition to disagree with any reason someone might give for liking a film adaptation of a comic you do not care for. In what way does this predisposition lend your preferences or opinions any more weight than theirs in an objective reality? That&#39;s right. None. You then type: "let&#39;s establish a fact here , Ratner is a shitty director and he makes bad films. Fact. Whether or not you are entertained by his films is irrelevant. they aren&#39;t good." Apparently someone has no clue whatsoever as to what differentiates fact from opinion. You&#39;re having a discussion of taste in film here, which is completely subjective. Your opinion cannot be translated into objective fact. Many in this and the other X3 talkbacks have listed works of Ratner&#39;s they wpuld not characterize as "shitty." Some even enjoy his stuff. Personally, I&#39;m ambivalent to the man&#39;s body of work thus far, but I recognize that not everyone will agree with my take-it-or-leave-it approach to his films. You seem compulsively driven to have your opinions somehow validated by labeling them fact. I guess they could be fact, in that it is a fact you have them. But that and a nickel won&#39;t even get you a blowjob from a Thai hooker. Back to your ever-so-impressive thoughts, you type: "Have the fucking wherewithall to step outside yourself for a split second and analyze the difference between what you find mildly entertaining and what is actually good cinema." Yes. By all means. Let&#39;s do that. You claim here and in the previous statement to have some knowledge of what could objectively be considered good cinema. You then go on to demonstrate your affinity for comic book lore without saying another word about movies. Mind you, earlier in the post you also advised that anyone who defends Ratner and calls themselves a film fan should be ashamed of themselves. Why, exactly? What about his visual style don&#39;t you appreciate? What about his pacing or the performances he&#39;s gotten from actors in his previous works don&#39;t you enjoy? Something about Red Dragon enraged you? Do go on. Or don&#39;t. There&#39;s nothing in this first post that indicates you know shit about movies, much less what makes a good director. And after this statement you degenerate into typical whiny fanboy shit about these not being the characters as you wanted to see them: "I&#39;m not sure hwat Hollywood has to do these days to blaspheme these characters more into oblivion to make people care again. I for one still love these characters and don&#39;t want to wait another 15 years for a good x-men film. And maybe some of the more cynical types are matter what we say the studios will make garbage. But liking it cheapens everything that comics books stand for." This is probably the truest bit of that first post and it certainly makes your REAL gripes plain, but they really have nothing to do with what makes a good or bad movie, now do they? So where did that thought go? You seemed so sure that you knew good movies earlier in the post. Then, nothing. Which leads us to your next post."All they need is people in costumes fighting. It doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s poorly directed, acted, edited, and written." These almost seem like criticisms of film, but they&#39;re completely unsubstantiated and used in reference to any old generic superhero movie. Examples might&#39;ve helped your cause. The fact that Roger Ebert, Mori and Vern all seem to think this movie wasn&#39;t plagued by any of these problems (hell, even Harry seems to think Ratner did okay with what he had) makes me think you must have other examples (perhaps from films you HAVE seen) in mind. "Can&#39;t please the fans? Bullshit. Defeatist bullshit. And even if that were true X3 still would be a poor excuse for a film. yous ee it&#39;s not just a bad x-men movie, it&#39;s a bad movie. Mediocre action and character alla round the board." Okay, now you really need to come out and say if you&#39;ve seen it or not. In fact, now you have to prove it by telling us what comes after the closing credits, because if you haven&#39;t seen the film, you are talking completely and utterly out of your ass. I&#39;ll give you the benefit of the doubt for the remainder of this post, but if you don&#39;t prove yourself afterward, I&#39;m just going to ignore you as a full-of-shit, ignorant, whiny fanboy blowhard. Back to your infinite wisdom: "What I really don&#39;t understand is how you people can wallow in your stupidity with so much arrogance." Really? I would think you&#39;d get that completely. (Sorry...I don;t usually indulge like that, but you really have it coming if you haven&#39;t seen this movie yet). "Celebrating the fact that you like bad movies and don&#39;t care. Disgusting." You&#39;re back on &#39;bad movies&#39; but you really haven&#39;t demonstrated any knowledge of film that would make me want to believe you know the difference between a good or a bad movie. All you&#39;ve done is harp on how the stories in the X-Men movies thus far haven&#39;t gotten the characters as close to the comics as you remember them. No one here doubts you&#39;re an X-Fan, but where the happy fuck do you get off telling anyone they have bad taste in movies when you list among your pet peeves both Spiderman films and Batman Begins (which, I&#39;m sorry, but received both critical and fan acclaim)? Is that you, moviemack? Seriously, if you can&#39;t comprehend that taste is a subjective thing and that maybe you are in the minority of folks who absolutely can&#39;t accept the idea that his beloved X-characters have been adapted and interpreted for the big screen, there&#39;s really no point in discussing anything with you. Your mind was made up the minute you realized Fox wasn&#39;t going to hire you as a consultant. I, for one, am glad as fuck they didn&#39;t. Now try not to hurt yourself climbing down off my cock, lil&#39; fella.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    OK - I&#39;m real busy at work so don&#39;t have the time for much... But I saw it last night and, overall, it left me a little cold. I so so so wanted this film to succeed. And it succeeeded far beyond the hype read here. Had some truly beautiful moments. Especially with Jean&#39;s powers. It worked on a great sense of menace, especially with the lead up to the scene in her house and the search at the lake. Iceman icing up? So cool. Magneto breaking Mystique out? So cool. Juggs running into soldiers. Cool. But the film was let down by a rushed production. It obviously couldn&#39;t afford to show huge mutant on mutant battles. So we have the Xmen battling a bunch of nobodies at the end. Within the canon of Xmen history there&#39;s all sorts of potential fan nods - and I guess the antler throwing guy was meant to be Marrow but really, who knows? The danger room sequence started great and quickly descended into farce. The link to the "teamwork" at the climax of the film was flimsy. I can&#39;t remember Collosus saying one goddamned thing. Not one. he threw Wolverine twice. His one display of strength? Carrying a TV. I shit you not. With the final death an abrupt halt to the overbearing score would have made the scene incredibly powerful. It just didn&#39;t need the bombastic music and the big baby crying. I could go on, but I&#39;m at work. X Men 3 is still definitly worth going to see. Through it&#39;s overreaching in production and in in screenplay it will forever be flawed, however.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST

    6hrs and 27mins till I get to see it.

    by Shermdawg

    Possibly 8hrs till a certain catchphrase returns in full force.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Looking Forward To The Inevitable Review Change

    by ZombieSolutions

    word on the street is that X3, although not as good as the first two, is actually a decent flick; an amazing feat considering they had a major upheavel mid-production and had to hire workman/hack Ratner to take over the reigns. of course, everyone in GeekNation, and especially AICN already "hates" it and is ready to see it muliple times plus buy the DVD in order to prove it (note sarcasm), but its hovering at 67% over at ROTTEN TOMATOES, which doesn&#39;t mean its great, but does point to it being good, decent, fun, though flawed. at any rate, I can&#39;t wait to see how the reviews on AICN will no doubt magically change over the coming weeks and months until Harry declares, without a shread of irony, that he always love X3 and thinks Ratner did a great job with what Singer so petulently left behind to direct UBERMENSCH, AGAIN? How much you wanna bet? I&#39;d be willing to lay money on it.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Y&#39;all probably already know that, but IGN says that he will tell what he was gonna do with X3 in that title, late this year or 2007. Word.

  • May 25, 2006, 4:55 p.m. CST

    RE: IndustryKiller

    by AlyFox

    Not really sure how to take your response, it was both generic and pointed, both defensive and acknowledging at the same time. I did not feel necessary the first post to "toot my horn", because one shouldn&#39;t have to. But I guess now I have to if my post is to seem "worthy" for you to take seriously: I am a movie fan. I was born to be nothing else. I am a performer and writer. I have worked in the video industry for close to 15 years at all levels, and take pride that in those years my tastes and views in cinema continue to evolve. I do not consider myself a film snob, although what snob ever admits it or is truly aware that he is? I consider myself a geek in the sense that even though I know a lot about films in general, I WANT to know more about films of certain types and genres (Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTR, comic book films). I don&#39;t know every little detail of such films, but I know more than the casual film-goer. That being said, I would say I am "hardcore". I love films and hate to see "swill". My views on this site still hold true, I think, in that the people who run it and contribute consistently to it have an attitude leaning towards "aren&#39;t I cool for writing what I write" rather than "let&#39;s dicuss how cool this upcoming film could be." The "history" I am referring to is back when friends first told me about the site, and there was a sense of glee at being notified of the latest trailers and bits of casting news, etc. Now it seems that people want to be "first" and think it is fun to type something inflamatory not because they believe it, but merely because it looks neat to see their handle on an internet talkback. IndustryKiller, let me just cover my bases and say that if your reply was meant to agree with me in some way, then I apologize if my repsonse here seems a bit touchy. Your last line made me think that we may think along the same lines. If your post was meant to indicate that I was a hater-caller, a casual filmgoer or otherwise, then I think you missed my point. I hope it is the former. My original point was that Harry casts a very wide blanket when he throws out the term "regular audience". To bring up an already-dead horse, if Harry&#39;s beloved Blade 2 made $200 million, he would be praising the "regular audience" for their intelligence in recognizing it&#39;s genius. Here, whether intended or not, he makes them sound like sheep. I hope you and I agree on some level, if not, well, there you have it. -Alyfox

  • May 25, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST

    I REALLY enjoyed it and I&#39;ll see it again

    by trombone

    Being 6 hours ahead of the East Coast, I got a jump on a lot of y&#39;all with X3. I enjoyed watching X3 MORE than I enjoyed watching either of the other two. That&#39;s right all you nay-sayers, I did, and I&#39;ll tell you why: 1) AICN. For the past year, I&#39;ve been reading all of the news, spoilers, inside info, looking at the photos and watching the trailers over and over. And as I sat in the theater, I got to "chat" with Harry, Moriarty, Vern, Quint and all of the regular posters. It was really cool. I love comics, have loved them since I was a kid (I came in with the X-Men in the outback Silvestri/Claremont run and loved it). One thing I love is the anticipation, dreaming about what it will be like, imagining how it could be, and then getting the next installment. Usually I&#39;m disappointed, but on rare occasions (like the latest issue of Astonishing and almost all of the Grant Morrison run) I am surprised. 2) The third act SURPRISED me. Who gets cured, who lives, who dies, who Wolverine kills (that whole sequence was well done), how Juggernaut goes down (saw it coming a bit, but it was still cool). 3) ACTING: Ian MacCellan, Anna Paquin, Hugh Jackman (this was the first time I actually believed his Wolverine--Wolverine is a vicious ASSHOLE people--not, as Vern put it "a lovesick babysitter", like we saw him in X2--he is a mass murderer). And yes, Famke Jannsen as Phoenix. In my opinion they got it right--it&#39;s a Grant Morrision Phoenix: there to pass judgement on the whole world. That&#39;s why you don&#39;t see much of her till the end--you can&#39;t--she&#39;s too powerful. She is waiting and watching. She knew what Xavier was about and then went to Magneto to watch and observe. And in the end she passes judgement. You HAVE to save her power for the end. 4) SPECIAL EFFECTS, FINALLY. They looked good (the day immediately to night was a sorry continuity error, the continuity editor should be fired). Young Xavier and young Magneto, the Phoenix effects (who needs a firebird?) Iceman looked GREAT (way to save that effect), Wolverine&#39;s skeleton. Beast&#39;s fighting wasn&#39;t the best, but at least as good as the Mystique/Wolverine fight in X1. 4) Easter eggs all over the movie. That&#39;s why I&#39;m going back. Toad, Marrow (Marrow!), the Blob (which admittedly was a bit lame, but a lot of people in the theater laughed), Stan Lee! "I&#39;m the Juggernaut!" Iced out Iceman (for those who want him iced out all the time: that would detract from the power of the scene--and you can just watch him in X4 and X5, so there). The sizzle of Callisto&#39;s piercings after Storm fries her (I think that&#39;s a Rattner touch, if I&#39;m not mistaken) 5) The plot worked! The blurry lines between good an evil. That Magneto really is a bastard. How things ended for Magneto, Rogue, Hank, Wolverine (finally at home at the mansion), Wolverine and Jean (I like the Grant Morrison quote--it rounded out both characters well), Xavier, Whiny Cyclops (that was a nice exchange between him and Logan in the mansion). I don&#39;t know what Massawyrm was talking about with the CURE still being open--the X-Men have Leech, they can&#39;t manufacture any more and Phoenix trashed the compound. And yes, 90 minutes was enough--it was real fast-paced, but I didn&#39;t like the extended scenes in X2 where shitty-german-accent-man (most people in the US don&#39;t understand how funny the name Wagner is to most German-speakers) and Halle Berry talk about faith. They could have cut that. Or Scott&#39;s whining at the end of X2. Or the happy-ending lecture in the white house. Wrap it up quick was fine with me. And they cleared out some of the characters to make room for some more. We will definately be seeing more of Trask, folks. Could you really imagine Magneto being the bad-guy...again? Let&#39;s get some Sentinel going--note to Fox: go watch Transformers next summer to see how to do the special effects and read the Zero Tolerance storyline. And because Matthew Vaughn was a good boy and didn&#39;t squeal on you, bring him in to do X4 and X5, principal photography should begin in October 2007 for a 2009 release, OK? OK.) There were downers--and very obvious ones. Like how the deaths were handled. Berry&#39;s acting (thank you guys for preparing me for that). You could tell it was rushed. And after X2 it was a bit of a let down, but you all prepared me for that, so my expectations weren&#39;t too high. One or two more scenes with Rogue and Bobby would have been OK too. Still it was better than X1. Overall I&#39;d give it a B as superhero movies go. A bit better than Batman Returns (B-) but not as good as Spider-Man 1 (B+) or as good as X2 (A-) or the original Superman (A) or Spider-man 2 (A). (No A+ super-hero movie yet--except maybe the first Matrix, but the kiss scene at the end just lost something for me. BTW a nice comparison to the ending in X3, where love makes her ask him to kill her) And that is one point I want to make. These are NOT FILMS. They are movies. Holywood movies. So if you want to trash it on cinematic scope or dramatic effect, you can stay home with your "caspar the friendly ghost comic strips".

  • May 25, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Harry is wrong

    by JoeyRusso1290

    it actually was a heck of a lot of fun. So it wasn&#39;t perfect like X2, but it was a good time Here is the link to my review

  • May 25, 2006, 5:41 p.m. CST

    harry is right

    by haywire666

    unfortunately his review is on the money

  • May 25, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    ...or maybe Harry was giving his opinion

    by Freakemovie

    i.e. neither right nor wrong. or maybe he just has a vendetta against the heads of Fox. whichever.

  • May 25, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST

    I suspect you&#39;re right on both counts, Freakemovie...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and that it&#39;s a little from column A mixed with a little from column B. Still remarkably little discussion of what&#39;s actually in the movie though.

  • May 25, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by halfmahalfn

    Trombone had a bit to say. He was dead right about the treatment of Iceman, Juggernaut and not so right about Wolverine, I thought. He seems even more of a big whingy sook than Cyclops here. And it seems we can see all the detail when people die from "fantasy-style" deaths but we can;t see the actual consequences of Wolvie&#39;s claws. I mean - he&#39;s a killer, right? There should be blood dripping from claws, Instead we get a neutured Wolverine. Sure he kills. But there&#39;s no humanity there, it could be Van Damme dispatching futuristic street gangs in Cyborg for all I cared.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Now that&#39;s a valid criticism, halfmahalfn.

    by Childe Roland

    Overall how would you rate the film? Worth seeing for fans of the franchise so far? Does the good outweigh the bad or vice versa? I&#39;m looking for as much reaction to the film we got as possible. It&#39;s going to help me decide whether I matinee or prime time it.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Vincent Cassel was born to play Gambit...

    by Rant Breath

    Paul Bettany was botn to play the Joker. NUFF SAID!!!

  • May 25, 2006, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by halfmahalfn

    I wanted to watch X Men 2 as soon as I came out of seeing it for the first time. I&#39;m quite content to watch X Men 3 next on DVD. It&#39;s all there - my girlfriend and our friends enjoyed it. I was still left thinking of what could have been. It&#39;s a very competent visual mirroring of Singer&#39;s direction in the first two. And I understand why the Phoenix can;t be an earth shattering firey bird. But the slow bits were too slow (through pacing and bad acting - check out Halle Berry not knowing what to do with her hands in one scene with Beast) and the fast bits were too stuttering for my liking. Oh yeah - Maddrox is really fucking cool in this. They used his character perfectly. But, with all it&#39;s flaws, I&#39;d still see it prime time. And now I really, really have to get back to work.

  • May 25, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST

    the film was good

    by u.k. star

    simple as that. . i&#39;m sure it&#39;s a terrible dark phoenix movie but it&#39;s not called x men; dark phoenix is it? it&#39;s cool watch it. if the worst comic book movies made were this good we&#39;d be happy......... if you want the comics. buy the comics. i do

  • May 25, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Ultimate X-Men Sucks Ass

    by DOGSOUP

    Ultimate anything really with the possible exception of U. Spider Man but then again I&#39;d rather read Powers.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    He&#39;s still going to see it, dipshit. As a spokesman for generation dumbass you might not be able to figure out that Childe is only asking for an idea on when he could best see it. Nice rant though. Not counting votes? Not listening to anyone? Not difficult to imagine. But thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for not (explicitly) mentioning Batman Begins. Maybe there&#39;s hope yet.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    He&#39;s still going to see it, dipshit. As a spokesman for generation dumbass you might not be able to figure out that Childe is only asking for an idea on when he could best see it. Nice rant though. Not counting votes? Not listening to anyone? Not difficult to imagine. But thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for not (explicitly) mentioning Batman Begins. Maybe there&#39;s hope yet.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    He&#39;s still going to see it, dipshit. As a spokesman for generation dumbass you might not be able to figure out that Childe is only asking for an idea on when he could best see it. Nice rant though. Not counting votes? Not listening to anyone? Not difficult to imagine. But thank you, from the bottom of my heart, for not (explicitly) mentioning Batman Begins. Maybe there&#39;s hope yet.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    Ok - my computer just went down. And when I logged back in that&#39;s what happened. I&#39;d like to say something about Moviemack being once, twice, three times a dipshit but it&#39;s kinda redundant. And I&#39;m scared it&#39;ll come up another three times.

  • May 25, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Phoenix In The last Stand...

    by mansuper

    Is equal to the way Bane was handled in Batman and Robin...Ha Ha

  • May 25, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by seppukudkurosawa

    I wouldn&#39;t feel right disagreeing with you there, let&#39;s just say I jumped the gun a bit seeing that I was first in an Xmen talkback. Then again, that doesn&#39;t mean I&#39;m gonna defend this highly-mediocre film (to tell you the truth, I&#39;d prefer a piece of shit, at least then I&#39;d stay awake looking for each new nadir). Still...if Harry really wanted to slam this flick, he only had to say three words, "Rothman, Ratner and Rapefest".

  • May 25, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Freakin A

    by brainedchild

    god dang knightsong can i get a spoiler warning, geez

  • May 25, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    Being above Generation Dumbass means you keep files on other talkback members, huh? Yeah- that&#39;s the kind of knowledge and wisdom I&#39;m seeking to raise myself out of the ruts of ignorance I&#39;m currently wallowing in. Fair point about the matinee and prime time thing. We don&#39;t have any difference in price between the two sessions here - I assumed it was with what size crowd Childe wanted to see it. And yes, I know, by "assuming" I make an ass out of u and me. Kinda of like when my computer freezes and my comments get posted three times - and then you reply. My assery was accidental. Yours? Nice work hassling the three-fold posting though. Didn&#39;t see that coming.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Harry would have like this one if...

    by darth mortis

    peter jackson, the single worst director of this generation, had made this movie. of course, if peter jackson had made it, we would have been treated to 14 hours of walking, and a big gorilla that didn&#39;t play with its own poo. admit it, the only reason any one actually ever went to see king kong was to see the poo... so, sorry harry...used to read your reviews and only wonder why you liked all that crap out of korea (figgered it like feeling pretentious.) now i wonder about your objectivity. don&#39;t get me wrong, i don&#39;t like peter jackson, however, i would admit that i liked a movie of his if it were good...of course, i am still waiting for one, but i will admit it exsists if i see it. but for you, as long as you get to perform the egotistical fellatio to jackson himself, you will always have a cameo waiting for you...and all it costs you is your integrity. honestly, i don&#39;t see what the issue is, i agree that your opinion is your own, and that mine is mine, but as a reviewer, you have to try to show some objectivity. hard to be objective when you start shitting on a movie a year before it is released.

  • May 25, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Variety reads the &#39;24&#39; talkbacks! Check it out..

    by paulh

    Their capsule review: "A wham-bam sequel noticeably lacking in the pop ***gravitas***, moody atmospherics and emotional weight that made the first two Marvel comicbook adaptations so rousingly successful."

  • May 25, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST

    Ive talked to half a dozen people who saw it last night

    by BendersShinyAss

    NOT ONE thought it was shit. In fact, everyone comments on just how good it was for a third film and how awesome the special effects are. Personally, I&#39;m going back to see it just for Magneto&#39;s rescue of Mystique - an awesome bit of power display, and the golden gate bridge sequence - which if you ask me, was probably the single most incredible special effect I have ever seen put to film. That bit at the start with young Picard and Magneto also boner-fied me. The aplications for that technology is going to revolutionise film making. This film is GREAT! Well done Rat! For shame Harry and co.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Been coming here a long time...

    by SK909

    and this is the first time that I really believe the site, as far as Harry is concerned, is dead. It&#39;s just such an egregious example of bias and outright favortism for who knows what reasons, everyone&#39;s gone over the possibilities in this TB ad nauseum by this point. But really, I just cannot believe how badly he shot himself in the foot with this one. If he had, just two or three times, kept his fucking mouth shut about how he thought this was going to be a turd, if he had just said, here&#39;s some early photos or some set pics or test footage... whatever, you decide for yourselves, i.e. "predictions, retractions, bandwidth, whatever the fuck it is" then this review might not stand out as the pinnacle of hypocrisy for Harry and film criticism in general. I mean... the cat&#39;s out of the bag now. To anyone who doesn&#39;t believe it&#39;s as obvious as a bear shitting in the woods, I&#39;d really like to have a toke on your crack pipe so I can be that blind to the truth. And the truth is this - whether Harry went in genuinely giving the movie a chance or whether he went in predisposed to not liking it (I prefer the latter and I won&#39;t browbeat anyone who disagrees... you know, everyone should decide for themselves?) the review still stinks so badly of total hypocritical bullshit and highly egotistical subjectivism that one can&#39;t help but stand in awe of this moment... the moment Harry (it&#39;s too early to tell if the entire site did, I&#39;m saying no for now) didn&#39;t just jump the shark, he leapt over a tall building full of sharks in a single bound... you might say.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by halfmahalfn

    Yeah the bridge scene was great. To be folllowed by the worst continuity error I&#39;ve ever seen in a film. Magneto was still the best thing about this film. Shame he can&#39;t really turn day to night though.

  • May 25, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Weapon X storyline

    by Dragulf

    is way better than Phoenix as I have always hated Cyclops. But that&#39;s my opinion. Everyone has one :) I am just happy there IS a 3rd movie in the series. Jackman is a cool wolverine, too tall imo and not rabid enough but ah well. You guys need to calm down, it is, after all, just a movie.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST

    54% at Rottentomatoes

    by FluffyUnbound

    But Harry didn&#39;t like it either, so it&#39;s a crisis. You know something? I don&#39;t blame Harry for deciding during production that he wouldn&#39;t like this film, and I don&#39;t blame Harry for reviewing the film negatively because it&#39;s not the film he wanted. A number of people seem to think those aren&#39;t valid reasons to dislike a film, and I just don&#39;t see that. What makes those reasons for not liking a film less valid than any other reasons? Because it&#39;s not "fair"? Fuck that. If you don&#39;t like a film, you don&#39;t like it. If you would have preferred a different direction in a film, that&#39;s a story objection and a perfectly valid reason to discount a film.

  • May 25, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    sigh... Well...

    by jalfredprufrock

    at least the new Ghost Rider trailer looks promising...

  • May 25, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Tomzinger, you think those were good days?

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Try this talkback where Paz gets owned by cocolopez: (Hey if Pazuzu the uppity librarian gets to pull random talkbacks out of his ass, I don&#39;t see why I can&#39;t either).

  • May 25, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Bummer. Sometimes Harry is full of crap, but...

    by Homer Sexual

    not this time, I fear. This review is the first negative thing that has really dampened my enthusiasm, because I also love the Phoenix story and am so sad to read what Harry has written. Just because he liked Cabin Fever doesn&#39;t invalidate his (hopefully wrong) points here. I feel him, though I will pay to go tomorrow and take whatever I get. Because X-Men on the cheap fly is better than no X-Men at all. Still sucks that it isn&#39;t gonna be better.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Wire work looks Peter Pan-ish

    by BrandLoyalist

    Floating Wolverine, leaping Beast in previews have stage show-like quality. Having trouble thinking happy thoughts, but hey, they made 3 X-Men movies... will have to see this in full theater sensurround. I stood my ground by not seeing Daredevil; but the X-Men title owns my theater-seat planted ass. Negative Harry review is an overall win, for the reading at least.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I rarely agree with Harry on his movie review, but...

    by FiendishMilt37

    he is 100% spot-on with his review of X3. This film was an abortion. I could eat a camcorder and crap out a better movie. Ugh.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    OMFG - $8 back like, fucking NOW, Fox.

    by jedimast3r

    Wow. I didn&#39;t even finish the movie. When Charles - Stewart and McKellen being the cornerstones of this franchise - got blown up Clayface style by "Jean" I turned to my girlfriend, apologized loudly, and asked politely if we could leave. We got up, and I couldn&#39;t help myself, but I said aloud, "This shit is NOT X-Men," the other like, 10 people in the audience didn&#39;t seem to care. My best friend remained behind only because he likes to see people dying. But that&#39;s him. I, on the other hand, am so sorry I didn&#39;t go by the AICN staffers&#39; reviews and wait for this slop pile to hit DVD. I can&#39;t believe this is part of a previously decent trilogy. This is like blasphemy - nothing feels X-Men at all in this film apart from the first 10 minutes. "I hid her power in another personality," "I&#39;m sorry my dear, you&#39;re not one of us anymore," "Not everyone heals as fast as you, Logan," OMFG WHO WRITES THIS CRAP? WHO GETS PAID TO SELL THIS CRAP? WHY THE FUCK DID XAVIER DIE????? Thanks for ruining a great franchise, Fox.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    It could have been worse... if it were carcenogenic.

    by Vynson

    Way to derail a franchise. Too many characters and plot points and all of them handled poorly. If it weren&#39;t such a joy to watch Sir Ian as Magneto, the movie would be a total loss. The writers should all be banned from superhero movies.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Just got back from the midnight show

    by Darth Mulder

    As I walked out of the theatre I used the same test that I use on every film I see to determine in my mind if it was good or not-"Did I have a good time watching it?".In the case of X Men 3,the answer is yes.I had fun watching it.And unlike the overrated X2 it wasn&#39;t too long.In fact it could have been a little longer and I would have been fine with it.My problem with many of the negative reviews complaining about what wasn&#39;t in the movie is this-Many things that are really,really cool in the comics would look utterly stupid in live action form.I am a monthly reader of the Fantastic Four comic,but I absolutely do not want to see Galactus in the sequel for fear of just how cheesy it will look.It is for this same reason that I am unsure of the decision to include Venom in Spider-Man 3,but if anyone can pull it off it&#39;s Raimi.I guess the best thing to say to all the haters of this film(many of whom have yet to even see it)is "just lighten up!".If you go in with an open mind and looking to have a good time,you just might be surprised when you leave.

  • May 26, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST

    I do give you Kudos Harry

    by Ridge

    As you said, this movie wasn&#39;t Ratners disaster. It&#39;s a victim of a studio perplexingly looking to close the doors on a great franchise. I like some of Ratners films, hate others but overall, was expecting this movie originally to be something special. I guess it&#39;ll be like Goldmember, a sub-par ending to an otherwise entertaining franchise, a movie where it feels incomplete by itself, but rather as part of a trilogy, a sub par ending... thanks harry for the excellent review.

  • May 26, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST


    by JaPra

    And alas...This is Harry and Co complaining about what the film ISN&#39;T as opposed to what it IS. I remember watching the X men cartoon as a teen and being VERY excited about it, the theme song, the characters, EVERYTHING. I didn&#39;t matter to me if "such and such happened in such and such places and this specific time." I&#39;ve only heard of the Dark Phoenix storyline in passing. I&#39;ve loved both films not dependent on how true they are to the original source material, but whether or not they work within the contrsuct created for it. I grow every so weary of Amateurs Reviews and their Reviewers who can&#39;t stand the idea that a film isn&#39;t what they thought it would be. DOES THE FILM WORK? No one has answered that question, instead I read whining and complaining. There&#39;s always a danger with films like these. Often times how we want to see the films made and how they are made generally differ. I think Steven Spielberg or Christopher Nolan could have directed X3 and Harry still would have disliked the film.

  • May 26, 2006, 2:16 a.m. CST


    by amievil

    as a superhero movie if i knew nothing about the characters except what was in the other 2 movies then it was awesome... as an X-Men movie it completely sucked ass.... i enjoyed the movie experience as a movie...but i did not enjoy it as an X-men story at all... does that make sense to anyone except for me....

  • May 26, 2006, 2:19 a.m. CST

    by JaPra

    Gosh, my spelling and grammar was terrible [see above post], my apologies. J.M. Prater

  • May 26, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST

    No offense Jedimaster

    by Vern

    I don&#39;t want to be a jerk during your time of sorrow, but I have to say that I really wish I had been in the same theater where you said "This shit is NOT X-Men" and then stormed out. That sounds so fucking great. I guarantee you that at least 5 of those 10 people you mentioned keep telling that story for years. It will become an in joke that they will say to each other during movies to make each other laugh. Brett Ratner may have made you mad but you made alot of people very happy, so good for you. I personally thought the Mystique line you quoted was one of the best scenes in the series so far, but hey man, to each his own. As for the question about "who writes this shit," this information is readly available and even listed on the end credits. I won&#39;t give it away, you can read it when you go back and see the rest of the movie. sorry for your loss. p.s. If you really think (name redacted) is dead I would like to refer you to ten little things. 1. Friday the 13th The Final Chapter. 2. Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday. 3. Freddy&#39;s Dead: The Final Nightmare. 4. The entire Godzilla series. 5. Alien 3. 6. Spock. 7. all those comic books you read 8. Dallas, when Bobby died 9. The New Testament. 10. The 2/3 of X-Men 3 that you didn&#39;t watch. Keep your chin up my friend, the X-Men will be back. Anyway just jerkin your chain bud, sorry you didn&#39;t like the movie, hope things go better for you soon.

  • May 26, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Head Bonks

    by tile_mcgillus

    Apparently the only way to neutralize badass characters is head bonks. Iceman headbutts Pyro and is never seen again. Juggernaut runs into a wall while his powers are neutralized and bonks his head and is never seen again. Magneto flings Wolvie against a tree and bonks his head and is out...and somehow makes it back to the mansion in time to warn the others. We shall officially call this movie X-men: Bonk City 5000 or in a more serious manner X-Men: Land of missed Opportunity.

  • May 26, 2006, 2:44 a.m. CST


    by Black Jesus

    I saw it tonight, and it did indeed suck ass... but I just wanted to say, be sure to stay for the end of the credits because there&#39;s a coda type thing.

  • May 26, 2006, 2:49 a.m. CST

    A Coda type thing?

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Does it involve Bratner saying, "For those special people who have stuck it out this long, I want to give you a unique reward for your perseverance. If you exit the cinema by the back door, and speak to the man in a sharkskin jacket, he will offer you your money back on the condition that you go on aintitcool news and call Harry a fat fuck"?

  • May 26, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    oh shock! Harry hates a film he&#39;s ripped for months!

    by jules windex

    saw X3 at ain&#39;t X2 but Ratner did a good job...Ellen Page is SO much cuter when she&#39;s not castrating someone...yeah the switch to night as blatant, but the story worked and the war was really well done

  • May 26, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST

    X-Men: The Last Straw

    by Capt. Spaulding

    You should have seen the crowd. A packed house, full of bright, excited young people, eager for the film to begin. Geeks intermixed with commoners all jazzed up and ready for the ride of the summer. The movie ended. These people were angry. Violent. Hungry for blood. They wanted to find the pigfucking swine who was resposible and beat him to death with baseball bats. The rage was palpable. They stood in the parking lot for hours, arguing over which scenes were worse. This was not a happy crowd. Their mixture was too great for their reaction to be dismissed. I&#39;m not one to follow the masses, but sometimes, the masses are right.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:04 a.m. CST

    RE: seppukudkurosawa

    by Black Jesus

    No, it&#39;s a small scene after the credits that sheds some light on what happened to a certain character.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST

    *sigh* Add me to Vern&#39;s list...

    by Shermdawg

    of people who crapped on it, but will go see it three times and buy the dvd. No film, I&#39;ve seen, has ever garner so many emotions. It started out decent, Marsden putting in a respectable scene. (I still wish we&#39;d got Singers double shot of X3&4, dammit, this IS Scott and Jeans story.) When he gets to the lake, that shit is beautiful, I even had to hold back a tear when "dickhead" began to go bye-bye. Where the movie went south, is how everyone just forgets that he was missing. I was so put off by this, I barely could follow Xavier&#39;s explanation of the "Phoenix". Sure they reveal he&#39;s dead, but there&#39;s no reactions. If this movie needed some scenes, it&#39;s reactions of Scott and Chucks deaths. When Charles died, I wasn&#39;t as pissed, because it was (admittedly) pretty cool. I did let out a boo though. The only one in the whole theater, so that tells ya how popular he was. And the thing about him "coming back" after the credits, was really given away with that bit about the brain dead guy at Muir Island. (Oh yeah, whoever said, we get to see Muir Island in this film, is a retard. A hospital bed. OOOOOOH!!! Big deal.) I can live with that. It&#39;s obvious that a new actor will take over for Xavier in the New Mutants flick or whatever. And by using Stewart&#39;s voice was just to let you know who it was. After the deaths like I said before, there&#39;s next to no real grieving, just FUCKING ICE SKATING!!! (Kitty is a cutie though.) Some nice interactions between Bobby and Pyro over the course of the film, but after that Sparrowhawk debacle, I&#39;m not a Ashmore fan. Still, it was nice seeing him ice up. Colossus probably got more of a shaft than Cyclops. Of course he&#39;s just eye candy in these flicks, but dang, one line. *sigh* ( IF THERE EVER IS A REBOOT X-MEN SERIES, PLEASE LET PETE HAVE A SIZEABLE ROLE IN IT, THE CHARACTER, AND THE TRAGEDIES HE WENT THROUGH ARE AMAZING. Just leave out the bit of him curing the Legacy Virus, that was kinda lame. Even lamer? Colossus II.) While the film might lack the human elements of X2, this is a pure popcorn flick. And a good one at that. Yes, this is coming from a old-school fan of the comics. Yes, this is coming from someone who crapped all over 24 for being...well...crap this season. And yes, this is coming from someone that has only enjoyed a handful of films over the last few years. I HAD A HELL OF A TIME WITH THIS THING. Yes, there was a few bad CG shots. Yes, there was some lame "wire-fu". Yes, day turned into night within a split second on the bridge. Yes, Angel mysteriously flew cross country in next to no time to save his dad. (He wasn&#39;t in the jet, as far as we know. So either he can fly faster than 150mph which it&#39;s been said he can do, or he was holding onto the Blackbird from the outside.) All of those are minor gripes. Oh yeah, the title score fuckin blew compared to X2&#39;s. But, after getting over the non-reactions to the deaths of the most important two characters, I had a ball, the rest of the film was everything a X-men film should have been. (Well, given it&#39;s current state, it&#39;s poor mismanagement, the departure of Singer, and the bastardization of the Phoenix story.) Wait...did I just say...I got over it? OMG, OMFG, I&#39;M TALKING LIKE YOU PEOPLE NOW!!! Did someone shoot me with a geek cure dart? *sigh* This film is not the disaster it has been made out to be. Nor is it a perfect comic movie. But it sure is ten times better than that gawd awful X1 and virtually every other MARVEL film outside of X2. This IS the crown jewel property of Marvel, not Spider-man. Hopefully the spin-offs, especially Magneto will be good, and *gasp* stick a little closer to the material. And one more thing, to all of you Ratner haters, who keep blaming him for this being "bad", it&#39;s not his fault, never was, and never will be. I&#39;m not saying I like his previous work, and to be honest, the guy comes off as a prick sometimes, but he nailed this one. FUCKING NAILED IT! And to all of you Superman Returns/Singer haters, you guys can suck it, the new trailer before X3 WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!! Of course that doesn&#39;t mean the film will end up being good, but I got my hopes up for this one. Yeah, you heard me. MR.SMALLVILLE, is eagerly anticipating Superman Returns. In closing regarding X3, I can see where you may dislike it, I know, I was there, but if you just let go, it can be very extremely funny, action packed flick for X-fans. One day (hopefully) one of us fanboys will take the reigns of this property and do something extraordinary with it, or at least give it a Batman: Dead End treatment, but until then. THANK YOU ROTHMAN. (Thank you for not totally fucking us over.) R.I.P. CYCLOPS. *sniff*

  • May 26, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST

    23-year fan of the X-men here...

    by ejcarter9

    ... and I loved it. Loved it. I do care for the characters, believe you me! I&#39;ve looked forward to this movie since leaving the theater after X2. I&#39;ve avoided every single commercial and trailer (minus 1) and online description, etc, just like I did with X2. Best decisions I ever made in my life. You can&#39;t know how it felt to watch Magneto team up with the X-men in X2 without knowing it was going to happen. Words fail to describe that moment. Nightcrawler attacking the President, Jean&#39;s sacrifice, all the little moments in the second movie that I wasn&#39;t expecting and wasn&#39;t "waiting for" made it a wonderful experience. X3 was all of that and much, much more. I was one of those worried that the excess of characters would ruin it, and don&#39;t get me wrong... there was an excess of characters, but that wasn&#39;t a problem in the end because those characters didn&#39;t need exploring, they just needed to be there. It worked. The only flaws I found with the film... you know what... what I just thought of as a flaw most definitely wasn&#39;t... where the team get in the jet and head off to the fight, I thought to myself "THIS team is going to take on THEM?" and I was actually thinking that there was no way they could pull it off. That&#39;s how far I got sucked in to it... I really didn&#39;t think they were going to win! Wow! Thinking on that, it&#39;s amazing that a movie made these days, after the thousands of movies I&#39;ve watched, can make me think that... not HOW are they going to win, but THEY CAN&#39;T POSSIBLY WIN! The other thing that I was going to classify as a flaw still stands - it was too short. It needed 15 more minutes, easily. But that&#39;s just because I wasn&#39;t done watching. I simply wanted to see more. In all honesty, though, the story was over. More would&#39;ve just been... more, and maybe would&#39;ve slowed things down too much. Oh yes, I care about these characters, a hell of a lot, and watching that movie I was really, really caring for what was happening to them, but not once did I ever think that they were raping my childhood, shitting on the comics, or betraying them in any way. That&#39;s for the people who wanted to see yellow spandex and the Shi&#39;ar. No, this movie ROCKED, and rocked HARD! I just wish it could&#39;ve rocked hard enough to shut up the cocksucker next to me who had to open his fucking mouth every two minutes. ************* Obviously I know where I am and I know that changing any one of your minds is impossible. The haters here will continue to point out the negatives from their point of view and will denounce this film, and it&#39;s supporters, as unsophisticated, or dumb, or movie-illiterate, or what have you. But at least I have something they&#39;ll never have - a cherished memory of a wonderful X3 movie. Enjoy your bitterness. That&#39;s what ruining all of the surprises will do for you. That&#39;s what picturing the movie completely in your mind ahead of time will do when it can never measure up to your own imagination. ******** Okay, I actually do have one complaint. Due to the realism Mr. Singer was trying to create, I never wanted Bobby to Ice Up, and he did. That seemed pretty sad to me. I know it was to please the fans, but that was the only thing I didn&#39;t appreciate.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    I, too, would like to see a TB where I was owned by cocolopez. I assume the overtime you clock in the Zone has addled your brain to the point where you&#39;ve forgotten how tinyurl works. Try again. Harder.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I just don&#39;t get it.

    by Rick Sparks

    So much emotion invested in a summer blockbuster? It&#39;s a COMIC BOOK MOVIE. Hundreds of thousands of storylines have been explored, layered, manipulated, and beat to death in the never-ending comic book series. While taking that into consideration, remember that this is the THIRD in a series of COMIC BOOK MOVIES. Is the comic really so great that every beat of the flick must perfectly match the moments & character development of the thought-ballooned version in order for you to enjoy it? I will probably see it at some point in my existence when it does not interfere with important things like work/life/love/etc... but I will not whack off in the theater with a copy of the comic in my hands screaming "FOUL!!" whilst the movie unspools before my eyes. Why? Cuz I just don&#39;t give a sh*t about EVERY LAST FRIGGIN&#39; DETAIL of the X-Men comic-book universe. (P.S. - Just like MOST people in the movie-going world. -- ) Here&#39;s an idea: GET A FRICKIN&#39; LIFE AND GET OVER IT. Sheesh. Next thing you know, you&#39;ll be complaining about the movie version of Spider-Man and how his webshooters should be mechanical and not organic........... oh... nevermind.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Welcome back Jarv

    by Shan

    I remember when you said you were going away. I was stuck at work in a very grim ICU department. How was Spain? It was Spain, right?

  • May 26, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by hector

    If fictional characters could sue for character defamation Scott Summers would be right behind Denethor on the case log. Its bad enough he has to worry about Wolverine cuckholding him, but apparently the entire 20 Century/Marvel cabal is out to screw him. Why not just photoshop Hugh Jackman into his wedding pictures?

  • May 26, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    My wife wants to see X3, so I guess I&#39;ll give it a shot

    by JDanielP

    Perhaps with my expectations set quite a bit lower, I just might enjoy myself while crunchin&#39; on some buttery popcorn and washing it down with a big, cold soda. It may not turn out to be the epic superhero flick I&#39;m dreamin&#39; of... but hey, maybe it&#39;s worth getting out of the house for a couple of hours. Maybe I&#39;ll see you in the other talkback... or not.

  • May 26, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I have read harrys review twice and

    by emeraldboy

    i found it confusing. why? In the first place, the start of the article is all wrong, simply because the brocoli family would never ever allow that to happen. they have made far too much money out of it. Never, ever write a review out of prejuidce and youre prejudice has been obvious for months. YOU HATE THIS FILM. looking into your review, there were bits of the film you liked, namely McKellen, Grammer and Stewart and that you like hugh jackman and his character Wolverine. but you dont like the cuddly teddy bear element. Halle berry cant act. She never could and i thought Monsters ball was hughly overrated film, more style over susbstance, she didnt deserve her oscar in hindsight. Harry didnt like this film for one reason he thought the effects were shoddy, the fight scenese awful. The schedule of filming has got no place in film criticism, simply because that is a studio matter. no more no less. then you disliked the lack of emotionla development, this is a big budget action film, what were you loking for shakespeare. not everyone is a comic book. my main reason for seeing is simple one last chance to see two of the finest british actors of there generation go head to head, one more time. from what hear Halle berry, insisten on singers firing from the movie last year, it is well know she and singer didnt get on and she is know for being a pain in the ass, this is a film she didnt want to do and demanded a bigger paycheck and got it. this is the same halle berry that drove away from a car crash, a number of years ago. in the final analysis, Fox had a mess on its hands and one of the most demandingly arrogant female actors working today, Halle berry, who pardon the pun isnt a berry nice person. They wanted to make the film and get it out and they made rush job. It happens.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    ejcarter9... How much did Fox pay you for that review?

    by Doom II

    Planty plant plant! You have to pretend you kinda liked it. You can&#39;t show up on a talkback for a movie that&#39;s getting universally trashed and say "I loved it!" I am a changed person for having seen X3! I cannot wait to see it 10 more times! You guys are just jaded movie geeks". You gotta play it on the down low a bit....

  • May 26, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST


    by gopherkhan

    "When you

  • May 26, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Micheal Dywer has gone to for the past 25 years and....

    by emeraldboy

    this year he has noticed that trailers made by studios are destroying the enjoyment of movies, like other critics at cannes Dywer hated Southland tales, which has been demolished as rubbish. There used to be a time when Studios produced one trailer and some artwork and that was all, now you get teaser posters, teaser trailers, tv spots, internet spots, internet trailers, clips from the movie. i think it is time for hollyood to back to the drawing board. make it like it was before. trailers give us far to much infomation these days. shoddy rom coms are great example, the studios put the best line in the trailer. So when the movie opens you seen the best already. In cannes the amount of Round table interviews before the films was ubelievable, studios have thier stars on a very tight time leash. all the money is going on the marketing and less so on the movies themselves.

  • May 26, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    you&#39;re all missing the point

    by LouGossetPhillip

    It doesn&#39;t matter if X3 was any good or not, and truthfully it wasn&#39;t. This is still a monumental occasion and there should be much rejoicing... Harry Knowles just gave a negative review to a film. It happened to be X3, it could have been Citizen Kane and it still would have been a joyous day. Sure he announced months in advance that he would be giving this film a bad review, but we can&#39;t expect him to become an actual film critic overnight. For now we should all be grateful for the baby steps that Harry is making and dream of the day where AICN is at least as respected as Wireless magazine when it comes to film criticism.

  • May 26, 2006, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Stay after the credits, because Xavier is not dead

    by zillabeast

    I have no shame in revealing this spoiler. X3 really made my heart sad. Greedy fucking studios.

  • May 26, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    harry is correct

    by flipster

    this is shite. cheap written all over it - from the non-sentinel bullshit to the mutant battles - too expensive to have any energy mutants battling, I guess eh.....It gets worse the longer you are away from the film.

  • May 26, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    jedimast3r still walking out of the cinema

    by Darth Hogan

    golly gosh i laughed when i read that, i have no doubt you shouted "this is not x-men" the unfortunate part was it took you so long to extract your ass from the seat and waddle from the theatre, that you were still there mumbling to yourself about rothman as the credits rolled...

  • May 26, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I was pleasantly surprised...

    by TheOGT

    Went in thinking it was going to suck ass. I thought it was better than X2.

  • May 26, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST

    OK I have to admit, fucking up the link

    by seppukudkurosawa

    did rather mess with my Pazuzu pwnage. Let&#39;s try that again:

  • May 27, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST

    "Pazuzu pwnage"

    by DocPazuzu

    That&#39;s it? The Carpenter TB is the link we&#39;ve been waiting for? Is this another one of your obscure attempts at satire or something? If it is, it would explain your inability to perceive what exactly was going on there, chief.

  • May 27, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    The regular audience

    by zacdilone

    If any one statement could up what has gone wrong at AICN in the past couple of years, it&#39;s that one.

  • May 27, 2006, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Holy shit Doc Paz & Cocolopez...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    ...That was one of the best jausting matches I have ever seen on AICN. To think it started off on a John Carpenter topic, no less.;s been quite sometime since I&#39;ve seen a head-to-head match up like that. It&#39;s bonified evidence that the high-percentile talkbackers are a thing of the past.

  • May 27, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Aside from the deaths, the movie was generally great

    by George Newman

    I gotta side with Mori on this one. This script review inspired in me rage. I was absolutely infuriated. Then I just became numb. With almost a year to get used to the idea of cyclops and professor biting the dust, I just went into the theater cynical. I bought a Large Popcorn for the express purpose of tossing it violently into the air when Xavier died. but I didn&#39;t. I didn&#39;t feel the rage anymore cuz the movie was much better than i thought it would be. The only real disappointment i felt was the underuse of Colossus. He looked incredible in X2 and he was crap in this movie. Non-existent. . . . Some of these reviews on the site made me think that these guys (Mori vs Harry, wyrm)actually saw 2 different movies: Mori talked about the beautiful Phoenix imagery ,and the other guys talked about the complete lack of it. Jean looked like a freakin&#39; ghoul at times and it was great! I wanted more fire sure (especially with all that disintegration, but no burning?), but Harry made it sound like there weren&#39;t any special effect at all for Jean. . . . It&#39;s an absolute tragedy indeed that Cyclops wasn&#39;t the central character. After X2 I wanted Cyclops to be the hero and for Wolverine to take a serious back seat. In the beginning of this film a was seriously grumbling about the wasted potential of Cyclops, cuz his acting was great in those scenes. But whatever. they somehow told A functional story with out him. It definitely was not THE story, but it was A story. and a good one. . . . I was also disappointed that they used the Astonishing X-Men mutant cure story device for the film. It&#39;s really pathetic that they couldnt dig just a little deep for something more classic. In the end however, it really was just a Device, around which the characters reacted excitingly.

  • May 27, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    I read a hilarious Q&A w/the Xgirls from Cannes; Paquin

    by George Newman

    in the interview Paquin came across as very cynical about her role in the X-films. She had managed to star in THREE action comic-book movies with out seeing a single scene of violence or action. She never threw a single punch. I bet she had originally signed on to the films after being shown comics of Rogue flying and punching the crap out of bad guys. Too bad that was an empty promise! Oh well.

  • May 27, 2006, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by DocPazuzu

    Now you know why I miss that crazy bastard. Good times, good times...

  • May 27, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST

    of course i meant "sum up"

    by zacdilone

    It&#39;s late. But I stand by what I said. This site has ceased to be about;s now about the business of geekdom. There&#39;s a difference.

  • May 27, 2006, 2 a.m. CST

    Marvel needs to pull everything out of FOX

    by RenaudMan

    Marvel needs to pull everything out of FOX, They ruined the Fantastic Four for a quick buck, and now the X-Men are getting the garbage treatment while the studio is cashing in on fans expectations based on past movies I don&#39;t know if Fox is just p!$$ed of not getting Captain America and the rest of the Avengers or what, but don&#39;t give them anymore Marvel properties and take that Silver Surfer out of their hands NOW! Marvel needs to pull everything out of FOX, They ruined the Fantastic Four for a quick buck, and now the X-Men are getting the garbage treatment while the studio is cashing in on fans expectations based on past movies I don&#39;t know if Fox is just p!$$ed of not getting Captain America and the rest of the Avengers or what, but don&#39;t give them anymore Marvel properties and take that Silver Surfer out of their hands NOW! A little long term changes at Marvel Films with top dogs not sleeping on the button would be very nice too, get Avi out of there, he just seems to be selling it all out cheap for a quick pension

  • May 27, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Avi needs to go

    by RenaudMan

    If all he can do these days is buy two thumbs up critics that thumbed down the first good movie, and play sugar daddy to Hally Berry than he should be pulled out of there, I don

  • May 27, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Miss want more scenes but can&#39;t act

    by RenaudMan

    What are they waiting to get a decent actress to play Storm, I don&#39;t know who Halle Berry$#@& with to get any Oscars but the girl can&#39;t act, get her out of there, she should have been pulled out after the first movie, the best she can do is stand still as a background scenery and do as little as possible, she is totally lame and not believable in the role Miss want more scenes but can&#39;t act and no Cyclops, like I

  • May 27, 2006, 2:49 a.m. CST

    X3 is so far the funniest movie of the year...

    by andrew coleman

    All the bad guy mutants at the end, there only powers were jumping really high? Then Wolverine would just cut them up like people on the street. The one and only mutant with powers we see in the battle is some guy who can regrow arms... Wow!!! Like I find myself sick that people are standing up and saying this movie is amazing. I guess their second favorite film of all time is Mortal Kombat 2. I don&#39;t even remember what the tag was on that one. But X-Men 3: The Last Bland goes down as the worst movie this year for me, mind you I didn&#39;t see ATL or RV, so that&#39;s just a personal thing and I&#39;m sure Nacho Libre will take that spot over in a week.

  • May 27, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Hey Kuldan...

    by NathanDetroits

    The only reason some people hated this movie is because it was done 1000% better in print. Period. End of discussion. The fact that Fox gave this story such short shrift, such short attention just pisses right in my face. Pisses in the face of every person who&#39;s ever sat down and marvelled (no pun intended) at the Claremont era of X-men. It&#39;s unacceptable and half-assed, period. Yeah, some scenes were great, movie wise. But if you aren&#39;t going to give an ounce of care to the characters and the story, well, then write your own fucking story, and leave the good ones alone.

  • May 27, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by RichJohnston

    He has been tamed by Professor X. This is explicitly stated. He&#39;s been mentally turned. This is one of the more interesting plot points, exposing Xavier&#39;s Machiavellianism, and the theme that Xavier and Magneto are not far apart. That Wolverine cries at his death is a key sign that something chas changed in him. The end credit is a perfect summation of Xavier&#39;s uber-planning.

  • May 27, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    God, Harry do you understand anything?

    by capt rosenbalm

    Harry, First off, this isn&#39;t comics. You need to remember it. There is no way Phoenix&#39;s death via Xmen #137 could be done without something like 10 movies. Get over it. Addressing your problems: #1. Boba Fett is a pussy. Accept it. lucas hates him, for whatever reason. Think about it. What does Fett do? NOTHING. Other than being eated by a giant vagina. Stormtroopers suck and can&#39;t shoot straight. Boba Fett is worthless. #2 for someone who was in this movie a lot, Hally doesn&#39;t do a damn thing. I&#39;m glad this is her "last Xmen movie". Thank God for that, given what a wonderful movie Catwoman was. Now maybe we can get an actress to play Storm, because there hasn&#39;t been one yet. #3 Cyclops was rushed. I kept expecting him to show up towards the end. Agree with you, but there were so many characters and let&#39;s be honest. It&#39;s not like Cyclops has ever been real exciting, nor has Marsden. I hope he has better luck with Perry White Jr. #4 I&#39;m betting this script started with Nightcrawler (what happened to him anyway???) and then when what&#39;s his name decided to not do it, the added Beast. 5. Agreed, but we had to get pawns and exposition from somewhere.... This is not Return of the Jedi, this is a good movie, unlike lucas&#39; attempt to tie all plots into a nice little bow and then say "they were always brother and sister". Bullshit. X3 is a good movie. I guess you couldn&#39;t see that because you weren&#39;t in it, like that fucking turd of a remake that doesn&#39;t deserve the name Texas Chainsaw Massacre. You need to realize that these are not comics and are movies. Apparently you haven&#39;t understood that. If you can&#39;t, then well, go back to reading just comics. Plain and simple...

  • May 27, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    "Whats his name" Alan Cummings...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ...didn&#39;t decide not to do it. He posted on his website that he was expecting to be in it, and was simply told by FOX that they didn&#39;t need him.

  • May 27, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST

    You know what would have been great...

    by Kevin Bosch

    ... if they hadn&#39;t given Wolverine claws in the first movie. I mean, these are movies, not comics.

  • May 28, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Just saw the movie. I liked it.

    by pablo2004

    It wasn&#39;t a great movie, but good summer fare. They did surprising things and knew when to end the franchise rather than exploiting it for years to come as a cash cow, until the fans begged for it to be put out of its misery. I liked the comics when i was a kid but face it, as an adult the comics are pretty lame in retrospect-that includes the Phoenix Saga. Seriously, all of that space and time travel really took away from the theme. Anyone who thinks differently needs to grow the fuck up and maybe read some real literature.

  • May 28, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m tired of you "this isn&#39;t comics" fuckheads

    by NathanDetroits

    Listen you fucktards, we know that movies are different than comics. That&#39;s why THEY SHOULDNT TRY TO ATTEMPT STORYLINES THAT ONLY WORK IN PRINT. Jesus fucking Christ it really is that simple. Mutant Massacre or Days of Future Past should have been what they attempted... something smaller scale... something doable in 6ish hours of film. Phoenix saga being crammed into a third installment of a trilogy as a FUCKING SUBPLOT????? WHAT A STUPID FUCKING IDEA! Next lets just make a 20 minute film short to encompass the entire Silmarillion! Why not, it&#39;s only film right, who cares how good it comes out? The "It&#39;s film, get over it" crowd needs to learn how to read or SHUT THE FUCK UP you morons.

  • May 28, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST

    The entire works of Shakespeare

    by NathanDetroits

    done in 20 minutes. I think Fox could pull it off. I mean, it&#39;s only a few books right? Who cares if they don&#39;t get it right? I&#39;m sure they can hurry a shooting schedule, rush the scenes, and have it out by next month.

  • May 28, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I think what will happen in the fourth movie

    by emeraldboy

    is this....after we get the magneto and xavier and wolverine back story movies out of the way. The other mutants like storm and wolverine and the good guys, will realise that there is something odd about about there leader proffessor Chalres xavier. That Xavier and Lesher are two sides of the same coin in some way or if you like bad penny. to finish magneto off and beome the undisputed leader off the mutants, charles will have to go bad to take down magneto once and for all. that will be story for the next movie. Which will leave Storm then as the most powerful X-men. She can controll the weather.

  • May 28, 2006, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Better direction would be

    by NathanDetroits

    Apocolypse as the villain. Could do Mutant Massacre arc and turn Angel to Archangel to make him interesting. Bring back Nightcrawler, write Rogue up to full powered version somehow, and you&#39;ve got the perfect team for that storyline... could even have Magneto switch over to X-men side for that one, like it was in the comic. God, that would be awesome.

  • May 28, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    Well Harry, the crew didn&#39;t treat you to dinner.......

    by axelfoley

    and other "accomodations". So in that case, why would you like the movie? What, you think Entourage parodied you for nothing? This movie didn&#39;t own, but it was still WAAAAYYYY fucking better than Hulk, Punisher (2004) and Daredevil combined. Dark Phoenix was one mean being in the movie, just because she wasn&#39;t fucking Galactus doesn&#39;t mean she was underused to the extent you make her out to be. You fucking jerk.

  • May 28, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Better direction would be

    by emeraldboy

    re nathan detroit. when making the x-men trilogy. they fox, showed there intent from day one. In the first movie, they try to give clues about who, rogues parents really were. but mainly it was all about wolverine and the set up for war to follow. in the second movie, they expanded on the woverine story and pratically jettisoned everything else, except the war story which they started in film one and concluded in film three. I am a fan of the 90&#39;s cartoon and I would like to see a kick ass rogue. But in the third film she wants a cure and she stands in line and she says to Bobby that it was always what she wanted. ie to have a normal life. so they have written anna paquin out. At least I think they did. when compring this to any other film frachise i think the most apt one is batman. the first two batman movies were two of the best comic book movies. The rest are horse-shit. Batman returns has the best opening sequence of a comic book film that i think I ever seen. the single tracking shot of oswold cobblepots baby carraige moving along gothams sewer combined with elfman score is an astonshing piece of work. However, keaton and burton were alarmed when they read the script for batman forever. and passed and thank god they did. What I would love to see is the following. Universal buys the x-men book series and allows singer, harris and dougherty and hayter to contiune the series. and give singer complete control of the x-men franchise. that way he can make the x-men franchise that always wanted and that fox wouldnt allow him. if they cant get hayter they should get goyer instead.

  • May 28, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    here is a interesting piece of trivia

    by emeraldboy

    Fox approached singer after the usual suspects to make x-men but he turned them down because he wasnt a big comic book fan and he didnt kown the x-universe. it wasnt a very happy experience for singer. fox and he clashed all the time about the direction of the movie, He didnt get on with halle berry. It was in his contract two do but i dont think he really want to be there. I read what happend behind the scenes in empire magazine. The other film took so long to make because berry had just won her oscar and she demanded a higher fee and when if they refused she said that they could kiss black ass. I think that singer was under enormous pressure and so he kept in as much as could get away with and without the studio interference. If there is one thing we know already fox they know how to fuck up a franchise. Alien. and by the way. WB is releasing scotts directors cut of Bladerunner. to be followed by the special edition. over three discs, you will get the studios version of bladerunner, scots version, three alternate endings plus a raft of bonus material. go to dark horizons for more information.

  • May 28, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    the numbers are in.....

    by emeraldboy

    and there was only one winner at the box. x-men stands tall at $107 million dollarsm for its opening three day weekend. i am going to bake some humble pie and send it to harry.

  • May 28, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by pablo2004

    Did you just compare a comic book about spandex clad superheroes beating the shit out of each other for the amusement of 12 year old boys to Shakespeare? Get help.

  • May 28, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Keep typing, NathanDetroits...

    by ejcarter9

    ... let it allllll out. There there. Now blow.

  • May 28, 2006, 4:28 p.m. CST

    hey harry.....

    by ptuck874

    i guess 107 mil isnt to bad for a sucky movie huh?

  • May 28, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST

    why repeat stories

    by bib fortuna

    I don&#39;t know why people want to see storylines in the movies that already happened in the comics, word for word. A movie needs to habe a new story while using some comic book background. If it&#39;s the same exact story why would the comic geeks go see it? They know exactly what happens. Now, looking at the movie and nothing else, I thought it was entertaining but also bad at using certain characters. Jean had what seemed like unlimited power but stands around for most of the big battle, than Wolverine kills her easily with his claws. Why not use the cure on her? Also Scott&#39;s death being offscreen was lame. He and Jean had a relationship over two movies and backstory before that which was wiped out with no one seeing it. I thought the movie was ok but don&#39;t blame any comic movie for trying to be its own thing instead of a comic clone. It wasn&#39;t a great movie for movie reasons alone.

  • May 28, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST


    by Maniaq

    The second one wasn&#39;t so great... If the third one sucks, so what? You think they&#39;ll stop making them? Does the third film in ANY trilogy EVER work? Harry mentioned some beauties, though I&#39;ve always been willing to forgive Superman 3 for Richard Pryor... Of course there is only one truly important question here that so far nobody has yet to ask - IS BRUCE SPENCE IN IT?

  • May 29, 2006, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Harry, for the love of god, please change the gif!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Lemme guess, the next will be a Father&#39;s Day one?

  • May 29, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Box-Office NUMBERS

    by RenaudMan

    Those box-office numbers are pretty good for a not so good very average poorly planned movie, but let&#39;s not forget all that money coming in is based of the expectation after the first 2 movies that were good; the third movie was just a short quick buck attempt more than good movie making

  • May 29, 2006, 8:09 a.m. CST

    No Cyclops, I&#39;m out

    by RenaudMan

    If such poor movie had come first in line, the X-Men would have die right there, a bad third movie will probably mean less interest for fans to see a fourth movie, in the long run they hurt the franchise, unless they have some serious announcements, but personally if Cyclops is really D@#d I personally won

  • May 29, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    All time low expectationd for X4 after this poor X3

    by RenaudMan

    Fox know they weren&#39;t going after good movie making with this third X-Mem movie, their only intention was to make a short quick buck known the fans expectation was high after the first & second movie. The science of movies at the box-office, the way I think it works is put out two real good movies first, and it builds a strong movie fan base with huge expectations for the third movie and any third piece of cr@p will make tons of money no matter how bad and cheesy it is; but once people realist the movie was not too good and they got ripped off not only in quality, but also in running time from X2 at 133 minutes to a measly 104 minutes for X3, almost 30 freaking minutes shorter. If people at Marvel Films & Fox don&#39;t get smarter, all fans can expect from an X4 is a Batman & Robin type as the studios knows X3 was only a quick buck money operation attempt and not really good movie making, and they know based on that film that fans hope and expectation will be very low. So people generaly are less happy with this third movie than the first two, and like that was not enough they also get ripped off 30 minutes; if that wasn&#39;t a Hey Lets Make A Quick Buck Who Cares About Long Term Effects, than what was it? Fox has been very disappointing in recent years with Fantastic Four in 2005 and now X3 in 2006, maybe it&#39;s time to pull Marvel characters out of there and remove Avi as well which does nothing to improve the situation, it&#39;s all short term money making for him now for a comfortable pension, time to get people who thing the long term; what a mess they&#39;re going to make out of Silver Surfer, get that one out of there at least and start saving some of the furniture. My guess is Fox is really p&$$#@ at Marvel for wanting to produce their own now. I wouldn&#39;t let them make an other Marvel movie again. Give X-Men & Fantastic Four a 5 year break and concentrate on Avengers related for a while

  • May 29, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    I guess the public > Harry

    by Chest_Rockwell

    So the box office numbers say. Just goes to show the fatguy is a stooge. If his buddies aren&#39;t doing the movie, and giving him schwag and free scoops and insight and free trips to the sets and exclusive interviews, Fatguy trashes the movie. But he raved over Godzilla. And with that, I&#39;m out to get something the fatguy will never experience, some Saturday Night Beaver. Let&#39;s go, Brock.

  • May 29, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    What&#39;s the difference between Harry

    by Chest_Rockwell

    and Dwight from The Office playing a take off of Harry in Entourage?................Dwight probably could get some pussy from a hooker.

  • May 29, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Harold, you are overreacting

    by CuervoJones

  • May 29, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Every Comic is Someone&#39;s First.

    by RezE11even

    Just as every movie is someone&#39;s first. And the problem with the Last Stand is that it does not stand alone. Any success or pleasure gained or felt by this film comes purely on the prior two films&#39; coattails. It feels like the third act of X2, not a seperate film. And that&#39;s a problem. Because this won&#39;t create fans. This will lose some of the old ones.

  • May 30, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I knew moviemack...

    by Childe Roland

    ...would pop his head out in here long after the bullets had stopped flying and try to sneak in a potshot. Do you ever tire of being such a cowardly little twat? Never mind. I really couldn&#39;t care less. As for whether or not I was going to see this, my mind was made up before the first review came in (if you ever actually read anything instead of simply rushing to get what pass for your thoughts out there, you&#39;d have realized that). The franchise earned the right to offer me some closure based on how much I enjoyed the first two films (X2 considerably more than the first). And X3 (which I saw at a matinee, not unlike the way I saw Batman Begins the second time) was a perfectly serviceable and even enjoyable end cap to the movie universe. I remain disappointed in the way they treated Cyclops (throughout this series) and that they beefed up the role of the least capable actor in the troupe (Berry) to appease her ego while letting go of one of the best realized characters they&#39;d captured on screen (Nightcrawler). But, despite all of that, I had a good time with it. Could[&#39;ve done without the teaser/reveal after the credits, though. They should just let the trilogy stand.

  • May 30, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I felt the same way about the last two films.

    by Veraxus

    The X-Men films have always been a mess. Shallow, unimaginitive, unbelievable, and completely devoid of the underlying issues that defined the entire X-Men comic. I never planned on seeing Xmen3 and this review, word-for-word, is all the confirmation that I needed.

  • May 30, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Using Harry&#39;s Method of Reviewing

    by BobWinters5

    I have decided to take it upon myself to use Harrys method of trashing films and saying how much they suck before I even see them. Iron Man was uninspiring and the CGI was horrid. Ant-Man was terribly miscast. Fantastic Four 2 sucked just because Galactus was only 28.5 feet tall when we all know he towers in at 29.9 feet. GhostRider however was a true cinematic gem and I recommend this film to every single living person. (The crew hooked me up with a 2 second cameo and told me I was cute.)

  • May 31, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah X3 kind of sucked

    by CaptainBitchway

    I have to agree with Harry on this one. Even if you&#39;re not a comic book purist, X3 will be a disappointment. The characterizations were so incredibily thin that at the end, I barely recognized any of the characters from the last movie. They were just shells to me. The X-men movies all had at the core an emotional depth that elevated them from other superhero movies. This one didn&#39;t. Phoenix story - started off good, decent buildup, but lame ending. Cyclops death - unemotional and disrespectful of the character. Angel - 20 minutes wasted on this character for the most ridiculously pointless "redemption" scene at the end. Rogue - OMG the really f**ked up her character in this one! Storm - more scenes don&#39;t equal better character, she was pretty lame. Wolverine - probably the only character I really liked, but then it&#39;s Wolverine. Basically, everything and everyone I liked about the last 2 movies got completely trashed in this one. The very final scene after teh credits did a little to redeem it, but not nearly enough. I&#39;m still glad I watched it on the big screen, but boy was it a disappointment.

  • May 31, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    X-Men 3 was great

    by Blok Narpin

    It takes an extremely closed mind and complete nitpicking to dislike X-Men 3. The film is great, and this is coming from a Ratner-hater who walked intot he theater fully expecting to hate it!

  • May 31, 2006, 11:42 p.m. CST

    this was an abomination

    by Cuchulain

    I&#39;m not an X-Men guy by any means, but enjoyed and respected what Singer did with the first two films. More for what he did when the mutants weren&#39;t using their powers than when they were. This one is full of undercooked, hacky melodrama and none of what made the first two films so rewarding. If you&#39;re looking for mutant-on-mutant action it will deliver the goods but it failed on every other conceivable level.

  • June 1, 2006, 11:21 a.m. CST

    No it isn&#39;t

    by ejcarter9

  • June 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Isn&#39;t an abomination, that is

    by ejcarter9

  • June 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Abomination is in Hulk 2

    by ejcarter9

  • June 1, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t understand all the X1 & X2 lovers that hate X3

    by Thunderballs

    You fucking people make no goddamn sense. How on earth can any of you say X1 or X2 were better than X3? X3 is easily the most entertaining of the three, and that&#39;s all I want from a superhero movie, to be entertained. I won&#39;t nitpick stupid shit, cause the film works, and made me giddy. Kicks the shit out of MI:3, and totally kicks the shit out of both Spider-Man films, both of which were boring as shit. Character development I guess means lots of boring scenes where characters talk about the same bullshit over and over. X3 is a good film, not great, but good, don&#39;t believe all the haters. Marvel movies in general are extremely cheap looking, and have a cheap feel. This is the first Marvel movie that felt like it had an actual budget. X1 in particular is awful in this regard, terrible set pieces and terrible effects. X2 was good, but too long and boring in parts, X3 was fast, and I liked that. Comic movies don&#39;t need lots of bullshit drama scenes to work, they need action and excitement, and X3 delivers on all counts.

  • June 3, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    BATMAN : Dead End

    by Fugazi32 one of the best superhero adaptations. :-P

  • June 5, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Scott Kurtz and Glenn Beck liked it...

    by ejcarter9

    ... so there!

  • June 7, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    don&#39;t forget X3 cost 100 million MORE than X2...

    by LabattsBleu

    so don&#39;t forget to take that into account when comparing box office numbers - at the end of the day, its the net profit that carries the biggest stick...

  • June 9, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    xmen last stand

    by detroitred

    how could you expect any good out of this movie when the first two were pedestrian at best?hugh jackman is horrible,and do you really think ian wants to do anything more then date professor x?there was no defining moments in any of the films,and you didnt care if they lived or died.Another chance to make a classic epic,and all they managed to do was make money and three forgettable poops!

  • June 10, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    what a disapointment

    by amazingegg

    i was looking forward to this movie with shere antisipation, as were many freinds of mine. being a &#39;casual fan&#39; of x-men, i only really started getting into it with the films. i thought this film had too much content, rather than not enough. there were too many deaths, obviousely, but there were also too many brand new characters frown in, none of which were explained-no background, nothing. also, i didn&#39;t like how characters who had previousely been in the backgroung, now took center stage. rouge got shunted completely out of the plot in exchange for that girl who can work through walls, who also only made one or two appearances in the previouse films, and who was that super-strong guy who kept chucking wolverine about!? as you can probably tell, i was highly dissapointed with the whole shambles.

  • June 11, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Best of the Series

    by CaptainHendry

    X-Men was an underfunded attempt with some good acting but very few good moments action moments. X-Men 2 was better, though the endless scenes with Prof. X and Cerebro get tiresome. The third movie is, next to Spiderman 2, the best comic movie so far. Sure they took a lot of liberties with the storylines, and for people who want complete faithfulness to the Dark Phoenix saga, you won&#39;t get it. But honestly, they started messing with the storylines in the first film. Making Iceman a teen? Making Magneto 60? Toad? What this movie does is get the scale and the power levels right. In the first film, recall, Storm couldn&#39;t fly up to the top of the Statue of Liberty because she couldn&#39;t control the wind with any precision. Huh? Where was that in the comics? In X3, Storm can fly. Magneto can lift the entire Golden Gate Bridge. Bobby really become Iceman. The Beast kicks butt in true beast fashion. And Phoenix actually seems like she could end life on earth. Watching X3 made me believe for the first time that someone could really pull off the Fantastic Four vs. Galactus saga. These hereoes (and villains) have power. In addition, we finally get villains who are really villains. Instead of a Magneto who issues threats and warnings, in this movie we have a Magneto who wants to end the human race. He tosses flaming cars full of innocent people at his enemies. And his henchmen (and women and transvestites) seem equally vile. Instead of all the talk about fascism and the use of power, in this movie we see it happen. In this film, power is actually scary and people actually die from its misuse. Instead of meladrama we get real pathos. And yes there are a lot of characters, but this is not Batman and Robin, not even close. Harry wanted a certain, precise story. Obviously he didn&#39;t get it and was disappointed. That&#39;s fine. I read (and still own) most of the X-Men series and know the stories, but I had let go of seeing those exact stories on screen after the first film. So for those who aren&#39;t as concerned (or even aware of) the original storylines, this is a great film that should be seen on the big screen.

  • June 11, 2006, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by CaptainHendry

    Superman The Movie is still the best superhero movie of all time. X3 is IMHO the second best of the modern ones after Spiderman 2.

  • June 12, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Glad to see Reason is taking hold again...

    by ejcarter9

    ... thanks, CaptainHendry.

  • June 13, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST

    You don&#39;t know what you&#39;re talking about, Harry.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Again. X-men 3 kicked ass.

  • June 14, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    This movie was a mess.

    by godhatesyou

    All the characters were wrong. I don&#39;t think this director can read, he just looked at the pictures in the comics and guessed everything.

  • June 15, 2006, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Thank the Maker - X3 was Brilliant

    by ejcarter9

  • June 17, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Said it before...

    by ejcarter9

    ... I&#39;ll say it again. People bitching about this movie had preconceived ideas of what it should have been. They didn&#39;t go into the theater to watch X-Men 3, they went into the theater to check off those things that were missing from their imaginations. The truly sad thing is that these people will never know the joy that watching X3 without the preconceptions brought to me and millions of others. It IS too bad, because X3 was great and they&#39;ll never see that.

  • June 17, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    gave X3 another look tonight...

    by obi-bear

    ...considering that in my area it&#39;s already down to two showings a night and after the next rash of releases, I&#39;m sure it&#39;ll disappear. Now the audience (it was a full house BTW)I saw it with tonight was really into it. My impression of &#39;em is that it WASN&#39;T a huge geek &/or comic book fan group...just average joe&#39;s and couples looking for a night out and the reaction was good. My thoughts? It&#39;s still too short, that wacky retro-wirework is still wacky looking and that one quick scene where it&#39;s daylight one second and dark the next along with Bobby&#39;s skate switch still catch my eye but....I actually like it more after seeing it the first night and giving it this long break before seeing it again. Look...I can understand those folks here (including the furry freak brother who runs the site) being put out that their favorite character got the shaft or that it didn&#39;t match the comic or this story element or that should&#39;ve gotten more attention. WE GOT IT FOLKS...Rat-man didn&#39;t make the movie you wanted to see. Putting that aside, I actually think that he got a few things right here. Powell&#39;s score is;s adds alot to some scenes that wouldn&#39;t have had the punch they did without it. Some of my favorite sequences...the "Angel" scene in the lab, with the flight over SF bay, ending with the Leech kid looking out his window as Angel soared by...was actually pretty sweet. And I know his demise put alot of fans off, but I really liked the whole "house" sequence and the "end(?)" of Professor X. (It was here especially that Powell&#39;s musical efforts really shined). Looking at X3 again within the context of the other movies (not the comics or cartoons), it&#39;s actually a pretty decent wrap-up to those other two movies. That&#39;s not to say I&#39;m a total convert now or anything...I just think that seeing this movie again with the hype n&#39; hate machine wound down a little let me look at it a little differently. Maybe when it hits DVD some of the haters here will have another look and see it wasn&#39;t that bad....

  • June 18, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST

    "Antler-Knife Throwing Man" is Spyke from X-Statix...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    and "Huggy Porcupine Boy" is Kid Omega.

  • June 19, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by ejcarter9

    ... you&#39;re comparing X-men 3 with Episode 1? Are you TRYING to lose your credibility?

  • June 20, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    "Thank you, Plug"

    by KyleOllie

    Halle Berry hates the band The Cure?

  • June 23, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Wolfpack, to quote Baldrick...

    by ejcarter9

    ... that depended on who was playing Juggernaut, didn&#39;t it?

  • July 5, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why am I posting on this month old thread?

    by Darth Evil Dead

    I dont know? All I do now is that Harry Doomed this movie before he even walked in the theater. So who cares.. Visit <a href="">See My new Video Here !!</a>

  • July 8, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    X3 kicked ass

    by ejcarter9

    Ass of the Super kind.

  • July 13, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Coda after movie

    by SpideyMan

    Be sure to stay for the coda - the extra ending tacked on after the credits. And in terms of other codas, check out -- -- it tracks codas (both new and old) and what trailers are in theaters. Take a look, and contribute!

  • Aug. 7, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    X3 - the homo agenda

    by CompuDoc

    Ok, I read all you said and agree, I would also like to add that the homosexual community has identified this as the second great homosexual film of the year (first being the broke back mountain). Why on earth would we take heros who are overtly heterosexual and make them send a homosexual message? I mean please! if you are going to do that with the heros then just kill them all off so you protect thier reputations. No I am not advocating killing homosexuals, but these are CHARACTERS, not PEOPLE we are talking about. Characters, by definition have to stay in... well, stay in Character. You should not have Rogue for instance kiss a woman, it would not fit with her character, and if a guy tried to approach Wolverine, well he would do a fast casterate job. The point is that you can not take people rules and apply them to characters just like we can not all go buy some spandex and start killing bad guys. Let&#39;s keep characters in character, and if you want to be a hero, please join the police or the fire deptartment, that way you way you are likely to get a little training with your ambition and you will be less likely to kill someone trying to stay outta your way! Mean while, if you want to make a political or social message by making a movie....leave my super hero characters alone will ya? Go join Michael Moore and attack a politician.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:42 a.m. CST

    X-Men:The Last Stand

    by AndyScott

    Excellent review Harry! Nice to see someone tell it like it is. Most of the other reviews I have read have heaped abuse on Brett Ratner. While I am no fan of the man, it is becoming very clear that he drew the short straw on this one, and that most of the blame for this fiasco lies elsewhere. But, I&#39;m still puzzled by the abbreviated running time and by the grainy quality of much of the cinematography (credited to Dante Spinotti ASC). Was this also a consequence of the rushed production schedule? Were Fox cutting both the schedule and the budget to meet the pre-ordained release date?

  • Oct. 20, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    X-Men 3 Last Stand

    by boreas

    Have to agree with Harry in regard to his criticism of this film. Scenes were rushed, characters slaughtered, viewers were left missing the great Bryan Singer- he gave us X-men not cardboard cutouts! I honestly wish Famke Jansen had been given the screen time to really pull off a decent Phoenix- she could have given Magneto a run for his money- and guys , yet another actress playing an anemic "Kitty Pryde"??? WTH was Nightcrawler?,If you're gonna include "Colossus"- at least give him a Russian accent,eh? Too many shortcuts , too many anemic characters- a sad end to the trilogy- :(

  • Oct. 26, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Oh man, the nukage

    by matrix_sux

    Where did all the posts go?

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST


    by dacanesta

    go to moriartys review for 1. a good review, and 2. my beautiful talkback ramblings. Im the only one on it man!

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    a review is a review but....

    by dacanesta

    wrong! Its totally fine. Compare it to other comic book films and relax. Dont take it too seriously. Its fun. If you didnt have a wife id think you just werent getting any or something to delve into it that much. God people are wrecked

  • Aug. 15, 2009, 6 p.m. CST


    by supercowbell5THECOWBELLHASSPOKEN