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EVERWOOD Chopped?? 13 VERONICA MARSes??
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TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello reports that two sources have told him that “Everwood” will not be picked up by The CW for autumn.
Ausiello also reports that numerous sources close to “Veronica Mars” are saying The CW will give "Mars" a 13-episode order when the netlet announces its autumn schedule on Thursday.
Read Ausiello’s column here.
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Don't care as long as SMALLVILLE comes back. What a cliffhanger!
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I thought Everwood was ok. Didn't watch that many.
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Hmmmm. Could be an interesting duo/rivalry this fall. Although I am fairly sure NBC will try and sell them as entirely different shows despite the similar subject matter.
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C'mon...that's a bunch of bullshit. Isn't this just going to be an excuse to easily kill off the show next season ala Arrested Development (first season - 22 episodes, second season - 18 episodes, third season - 13 epidodes...then, cancellation)? Bullshit...
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success or does that mean no matter what we will get a limited season?
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I suppose it makes sense to go this route, as it is a compromise between cancelling it and renewing it, but it's just not fair to such a heavily plotted show. Yes, I know this will be somewhat "reduced" next season, but it's still aggravating to be put in this position because you have to have the 13th episode work as a middle of the season episode, as well as a possible series finale, and your amount of foreshadowing, and episode range is severely limited as well. I suppose it is good we are getting any episodes, but it sucks to be in this "will they/won't they" stage, it makes ratings all the more important (not that they weren't before), and it is really going to limit the show in my opinion.
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May 15, 2006 9:08:55 PM CDT
Cool, but still waiting to see if CW picks up Invasion.
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And the official word from CW.
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Sorry, but this show deserves a full season's worth - as in 22 - eps. The Tru Calling scenario is kicking in. Remember in 2004; from 12 episodes, to 6 to being cancelled, to burning off 5 of the 6 in April 2005. Frack this shit...
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Season finale was a pretty kickass cliffhanger.
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Plenty of great shows get by with 13 or less episodes. Nip/Tuck, Sopranos, Deadwood, The Shield, Six Feet Under, Battlestar Galactica (1st Season), etc... Most shows don't need 22 episodes. Look how bloated Lost is getting. I'm sure little Veronica will get by just fine with 13 episodes, hell it will probably make the show better.
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There should be a clause written in to all tv show contracts by their creators that if the studio wants to cancel the show they should have atleast a 6 episode notice deal so they can tie up storylines, or if it's done between seasons, they should get a 6-13 episode deal written in so they can tie up the end of a series properly. Imagine what Farscape would have been like had it gotten something like that instead of having to be crammed into the abysmally bad ending "peacekeeper wars"?
Always helps to have a finished series to sell on insyndication or on dvd rather than an abrupt ending, ESPECIALLY in the case of season finale cliffhangers - John Doe, Oddyssey 5, anyone? -
Sorry, no other relevant thread to post this. Alexis Denisof and Amy Acker guest with Alyson Hannigan on tonight's "How I Met Your Mother". Neat.
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it's pretty much two hours a night isn't it? if smackdown's on the cw that means that one night is devoted to that show. this leaves 6 nights left. i'm pretty sure smackdown will stay on friday nights so where will the other shows fit? there has to be at least 12 one hour shows to be picked unless they have some half hour sitcoms thrown in as well. the cw will have to be very picky with shows both from upn and the wb.
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Sorry Junior, but Sopranos, Deadwood and Six Feet Under equate out to much, much longer seasons than thirteen episodes when compared to broadcast television (when comparing episode length). Case in point: Season 4 of The Sopranos, which at 800 minutes of running time equals approximately 19 episodes if it was on ABC, NBC, Fox, etc. Or Season 1 of Deadwood at 720 minutes is almost the equivalent of 17 episodes. In addition, the Universal/NBC produced shows that air on Sci-Fi and USA (i.e. Monk, Battlestar Galactica, etc.) have TWO SEASONS EACH YEAR. For example, from October 2004 to October 2005 the Sci-Fi Channel aired 23 episodes of Battlestar Galactica in the United States (Season 1 & Season 2, Part 1). Just a few short months later, they aired the remaining 10 episodes of Season 2. That's 33 episodes in a year and a half. It isn't even the same comparison...
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As I stated in the last TB about Veronica Mars, I would advise Rob Thomas to wrap up the suitcase cliffhanger in the premiere. It's not at all worth it to drag that arc out and alienate any potential viewers to the new CW network. The key is to stay on the air long enough to get the back nine, and, of course, come back for a 4th season. So wrap up the briefcase cliffhanger in the premiere, then establish Episode 2 as a "relaunch" of the series, and from Episodes 2 to 7, make them self-standing stories. Repeatedly establish the fact that Veronica is the lead/star, Keith is her dad, Logan is the reformed bad boy boyfriend, Mac is the cute tech-geek gal pal, Wallace is the best friend, Lamb is the jerk sheriff in these 6 episodes so that the CW audience gets into the formula and gets used to the main characters. For long-time fans of the show, this will give them the opportunity to enjoy self-contained procedural plots done Veronica style. Then from Episode 8 - 13, the show can play out an arc, taking up Weevil's situation, and the mystery of the college date rapist.
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No Commander in Chief; DH stays at 9 on Sundays, Grey's Anatomy moving (possibly to Thursday), and 12 new series (7 dramas, 5 comedies). Lost returns in October with the promise of fewer reruns. http://tinyurl.com/zoz28
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Veronica Mars is full of different races and is set up among teens and young adults. If One Tree Hill gets picked up, I will be mega pissed.
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Battlestar galactica, because they were unsure after the mini-series pilot how much it would cost them, and what ratings they would get, the first season was 13 episodes. The second season is 20 episodes, but the way they air it (And the two stargate series which both now have 20 episdoes per season) on sci-fi is to air half the season, and then break for 3 months, air the second half, then have another 3 month break before the next season (Although they are making us wait longer this season). Basically, in a one year period, they air 20 episodes, just in a different order, instead of airing episodes randomly when they are ready, they air a brand new ep EVERY week for 10 weeks straight. The 33 episodes you're counting are 2 seasons worth.
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This is one of the worst days i've had in a long time. Invasion....AND EVERWOOD? Fuck me....that only leaves me watching 24 and lost. Thats all I watch now.
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Although what's inside it may inspire future plots. That's the whole idea of a season finale cliffhanger, you're sort of obliged to reveal it in the next season premiere. Example: say what you will about Lost (awesome), but their very first scene of the second season answered the cliffhanger. But I can answer your question about plot arcs: Thomas said in an interview recently that he's doing three separate ones over the course of the season (provided they get 22 eps) instead of one overarching one...that way they cut down on the too-much-going-on complaint and make it more accessible. So it's close to what you're talking about, although not quite -- there'll be an arc lasting from the first episode to the seventh or eighth. IMHO not a bad strategy.
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but I'm pretty sure they have a bigger budges than VM has for 22.. now if they cut the order to 13 but still gave them the same budget they had for 22, that would be interesting.
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I want 22 GODDAMNIT.
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Isn't that usually the last season? I doubt VM will get more viewers, even though the show rocks, so hopefully they'll give us a good ending.
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Every show on the CW from the WB or UPN is GUARANTEED to have more viewers than it did before. Due to the CW having more of a clearance nationwide than either the WB or UPN ever had. To cut-off at the KNEES, one of the few shows people really care about carrying over from the UPN--is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Not like Rob Thomas did not plan for this eventuality. I forgot where I read it, but he mentioned having next year feature mini-mysteries that would last around three episodes. Which would be all fine and good to introduce to a new audience. However, this show, NEEDS 22 episodes. IT NEEDS them for the storylines not to feel rushed or forced in anyway. This move kills the show. It kills the show for some crappy pilot that no one will care about, that no one will watch, and that will be killed by October. Hopefully everything NEW on the CW (Except INVASION--if that happens) will fail. Because not only does Veronica Mars need more women. It needs more EPISODES as well.
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If that's what it took to get VM back, I'll take it. So there will be two mysteries instead of three. It's pitiful that more people are attracted to dreck like 7th Heaven than a gem like VM, but those morons are the ones who pay the bills and help sustain the others.
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13 episodes of this show is like only 13 episodes of LOST. Does LOST work with only 13 episodes? Yes--they are vastly different--but both work off of intricate mysteries unfolding over an ENTIRE season. 13 episodes neuters this show, and makes that pick-up pointless. Why pick it up to diminish the quality of the show? Sure, the season could be good, even with the limit episode pick-up. But why should I turn in? 13 episodes will be out on DVD in time for the Xmas or even January. Why waste the time? If the CW does not want to invest the time. Why should I? Not like I am making a logical argument right now. I am simply pissed off that this show has been effectively neutered by a fake-tan and bright tooth having bastard.
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Do you how badly I would kill for 13 more original episodes of "Homicide: Life on the Street?!" Or 13 more episodes of "Freaks and Geeks?!" Or 13 more episode of "Nowhere Man." VM is a fine show, but it doesn't do dick in the ratings. Fans, consider yourself lucky.
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Is a great vote of confidence by The CW. Veronica has potential, is well written, critically acclaimed, features good acting by new and talented potential break out stars, and seems to get more fans as the DVD sets are released. But all of that needs to translate into ratings. At the end of the day, if you barely pull in 2 mil a week, that wont cut it. I adore Veronica Mars and think it's in the top group of the TV elite. It's currently my favorite show. And I am glad with this 13 episode pick up. Because they could have dropped it. Everwood, Reba, and One Tree Hill got higher ratings than Mars, and Everwood and Reba didn't make it. Stop complaining. What everyone needs to now do is actually WATCH the show. But I think I got a variation of the Herc Curse myself. Every show I really enjoy is eventually cancelled way too soon. (Arrested, The Comeback, Popular)
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Because I read V will run for 13 eps, then will be replaced by some other show called "Runaway" that will air it's run, and if the ratings for Veronica were good, the back 9 of V will be ordered and aired after Runaway concludes.
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Their ratings for the 05-06 season will have more asterisks than Barry Bonds' stats will when the story of this show is ultimately written. Four episodes in 3 months. Incessant pre-emptions by UPN affiliates in three of the top 4 major markets due to sports commitments (NY, LA, Philly). Borderline breach-of-contract-ing by WWOR in particular, who went out of their way, once they became a MyNetworkTV affiliate, to sabotage VM by airing it at all hours. Ditto everywhere that a new episode aired sometimes at 2 in the morning. The lead in of 'South Beach', that makes My Mother the Car look like Sports Night, quality-wise. Let's hope there are more ex-WB affiliates than ex-UPN ones, because if there aren't, we're going to have this same problem again.
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From Wikipedia: The CW will initially be based around 16 The WB stations owned by the Tribune Company (which will be relinquishing its investment in The WB) and 11 UPN stations owned by CBS. These stations combine to reach 48 percent of the United States. The initial 27 stations have signed 10 year affiliation agreements with the CW. It is estimated that the new network will eventually reach 95 percent of the United States.
In markets where both UPN and The WB affiliates operate, only one station will become a CW affiliate. Executives are on record as preferring the "strongest" stations among existing The WB and UPN affiliates, however, due to the structure of the deal, the new network must negotiate with individual stations. Hence it is conceivable that, in some markets, the CW affiliate may be a different station than either the existing The WB and UPN stations. In Helena, Montana, i affiliate KMTF will become a CW station. Also, the network has affiliated with some digital broadcast channels that do not yet exist in markets where there was no in-market The WB/UPN affiliate.
On March 1, five affiliates (four WB/one UPN) were the first outside the CBS/Tribune core to sign CW affiliate deals. [6] These were five separate stations from around the country which were expected to become CW affiliates because of strong ratings, though, and until KCWE in Kansas City signed up on March 7, no station whose chances of signing CW deals were contested were affiliated with the network. [7] [8] [9] As of May 2, 2006, 161 stations have become affiliates of the CW, reaching 101.3 million households and covering 91.9% of the country (the latter two figures excluding the future CW stations in Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands). One of its biggest slate of announced affiliations in a single day was on March 28, 2006, which includes UPN affiliate KUVI-TV Bakersfield, California, the only English language television station owned and operated by Univision, the leading Spanish language broadcaster in the country.
Most smaller markets - i.e. Nielsen DMAs with rankings of 100 and lower - are served by a locally-branded WB-affiliated cable channel that is part of The WB 100+ Station Group, as well as a UPN affiliate which may be either an over-the-air television station (often at low-power), digital subchannel, or local cable channel, or some combination thereof. Under the new network, a new service titled The CW Plus [10] will serve a similar role to WB 100+. However, as with larger markets, the network's affiliations are determined by negotiation, and those announced so far have been a mixture of existing The WB and UPN affiliates, as well as some stations (or digital subchannels) not presently affiliated with either network.
Before May 2, 2006, the only top-30 markets that had remained without a signed affiliate were Minneapolis-St. Paul, Baltimore, Raleigh-Durham, and Nashville. In each of these markets, the local UPN affiliate is controlled by Fox Television Stations Group or Sinclair Broadcast Group and is already committed to My Network TV, while The WB affiliate is controlled by Sinclair. The CW has reportedly demanded reverse compensation ([11]), which Sinclair has hinted it is unwilling to provide. However, Sinclair announced their remaining WB and independent stations, including the stations in those markets, will officially become CW affiliates.
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actors together anymore. Supposedly, the buffyverse telemovies are not gonna happen. Maybe this is old news? I just found out today. Sigh.
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Confirmed in the past half-hour by TV Guide's Michael Ausiello: http://tinyurl.com/q5kno . If the ratings aren't up to snuff, the 22-episode order might be cut to 13. One Tree Hill is as good as in, and Everwood is, in fact, gone. Now it's all a matter of where VM goes on the CW fall lineup, and hopefully it won't be Thursday at 9PM. Whew...
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My wife was just telling me today that One Tree Hill had better be back, as it left her with a nice cliffhanger. Perhaps this will heal the pain of knowing a.) Conviction is gone, and b.) her two favorite shows, E.R. and Grey's Anatomy might well be going head-to-head next season.
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Of course, if I'd read everything in the TVG link, I'd see that Grey's is NOT going up against E.R.
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7th Heaven AND One Tree Hill but no Everwood? In what universe does that make sense? Everwood had better ratings than VM or OTH.
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They were planning to split the season up into shorter arcs anyway, so the number of episodes is moot. Thankfully, it's at least 13. Despite the confirmed full season order, I wouldn't place a large bet on the back 9. OTOH, I think Lost would work better if it had fewer episodes.
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Semantics and nit picking. Number crunch all you want. You get my point. Shows like The Shield still gets by on 13 episodes. Your math equation is irrelevant and doesn't even constitute a real argument.
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