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Jemma McFatBack is back - this time with a look at X3!
Hey folks, Harry here... Seems I'm getting flooded with reviews on X3, tons of negatives at this point, but given there's a concerted effort by folks to punk AICN with their fake reviews - I'm not posting any review that doesn't come from someone that has written in the past. Well, Jemma McFatBack has reviewed films like Ratner's RED DRAGON and 28 DAYS LATER on the site, plus he sent a jpg of his ticket from tonight's screening in Leceister Square for the press. His review does not make me happy, quite the contrary. I was genuinely pleased to see that positive review (that turned out to be faked) - but the second review was confirmed and so has this one. Sadly - both were negative. Neither calling it an unmitigated disaster... just sadly mediocre and flat. TheMovieBox.Net seems to have the best collection of links to X3 clips and trailers - so check them out. Personally I'm holding off till I see the movie. Here ya go...
Hey guys, Jemma McFatBack with a review for you...
Seen the back and forth on this site and the talkbacks, so hoping to put your mind at ease. I'm sure you'll get a lot of reviews tonight - I just got back from the UK Press Screening at Empire Leicester Square and came straight home. You'll get more later when the pubs shut and the X-Fans come home from drowning their sorrows ;)
First up - some proof. Here's a crappy phone-cam shot of my tickets. (HARRY NOTE: No Need To Publish It. It's an ugly pass)
So, how is it? Well, your 2nd review seemed pretty accurate in terms of thoughts on the film, and 100% factually accurate too. The film isn't terrible, but it's mediocre, and when you compare it to the first two, that becomes infuriating. I've heard Matthew Vaughn pulled out because he couldn't shoot the film to the deadline given. So they got Studio Yes-Man Ratner (who, aside from the shitty After The Sunset, IMO has made servicable-but-never-good films), and he shot to schedule. Which would probably explain the film's slightly skittish nature, and the nasty amount of green screened 'location' work, even where no effect is in shot. Most of the effects work here, even on the big stuff, is pretty average. Not technically terrible, just soulless.
I'd try to compare it to another film, in terms of 'goodness', and maybe Fantastic Four is a decent reference point... but then again maybe not. To explain... I'd give the films a similar 5/10 rating, but X3 works, and doesn't work, in different ways. There's good bits here, occasionally, but they're almost cases of goodness-by-leftover. Phoenix and Logan's first meeting is pretty good, as is the Jean/Prof/Magneto showdown in her old house, but mainly because these are characters we've built up an affinity for. I can't think of much that's completely new here that's very good - Kelsey Grammar as Beast is OK, I suppose, and Leech is an interesting character, but is barely involved. Further, some old stuff from the past films doesn't get developed and gets repetitive - Ice vs Fire, Metal vs Magnetic Powers, we've seen it before. Oh, and Halle's still crap. So maybe the FF comparison is pointless, but I'm searching for a better reference point. Maybe it'll come to me...
The main problem is there's nothing to care about. The school doesn't seem to live and breathe, and so that's wasted. The first major 'shock' death is strangely underplayed, so the second one loses a little of its power too (deliberately vague here). Magneto goes super-bad rather than being interestingly bad (he takes the Stryker role, I suppose, in badness, if not belief), and the big threat that drives the plot seems like nothing at all. At one point, the Pres says 'God help us', but if those doing bad at the time got what they were trying to get at that moment, I think everyone would have gone back to being at peace.
Sure, there's spectacle, but by the time it came (it's mostly at the end), I'd got a little bored. And so had the others, if the audience reaction is anything to go by. There's one-liners dotted around that are OK I suppose, and some seemed to be lapping them up. However, as the last bit of action ended, a domino effect of walk-outs started. Sure, it's Friday night, the film was late starting and they wanted to get to the cellphone collection point, but once a few stood up, many started to leave. That suggests to me that the audience was restless, had had enough and, like me, cared nothing for any of the character work in the film, which is what remained. Maybe some people enjoyed the film, and it's no catastrophe, but there's no way I'll see this again. It's T:3-2, if you see what I mean.
That's all,
Jemma.
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... hmmm interesting review.
Guess it's a hit and a miss, like the first film I guess.
We'll see though. She could just be Harry's London hussy, and is servicing his hatred for The Rat. -
I want to love this movie so bad. Why God? Why did you let The Rat get his filthy paws on it? Dammit.
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i still believe it's going to be good. but i also still believe in the easter bunny and tupac.
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at one point i was blaming you for covering up the fact that X3 even existed. but thank you for at least keeping it in the spotlight...even if there won't be much to look at.
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May 12, 2006 6:32:24 PM CDT
Any review that claims that people started walking out
by the flashlight
is bullshit. If I'm gonna pay the ticket price to go to the movies, I'm gonna stay to the bitter end, whether the film is crap or not. In my 36 years of moviegoing, I've never seen people start to walk out of the theater. Not one single time.
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All I know is the X3 trailer kicks ass and I can't wait to see it. So long as it continues the story from the first two movies...which it looks like it does from the trailer...and once it gives me plenty of mutant action with plenty of character development like the previous two movies did...then I'll be as happy as a pig in shit. I know nothing about the X-Men comics or the story of these characters before the movies. So whatever happens to them...I could give a shit, so long as it's interesting and it moves me somewhat. This film looks great. Not sure what all the retards on this site have against Rater. I've seen 3 movies of his and 2 have been great (Rush Hours) while 1 was only ok (Dragon). This film looks fucking great from what I've seen in the trailer so I can't wait. Harry it seems that as much as you say you want X3 to be good...you are transparent as hell. You're hatred for this Ratner shines through...and it's obvious that you want this movie to suck. Time will tell...and the non-retarded among us will wait until we see the movie to find out. Can't wait for it!!!
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But my friend forced me to stay. In retrospect I'm not sure I should consider him a friend b/c of such, lol. With respects to this review I think it's pretty fair and basically highlights what we've all been fearing. It's a rush job. It will be a good movie. But not great. And given that X2 was great, X3 will serve as a major let down. This outcome was 95% unavoidable. I don't even think it's Ratner's fault. He has done the best that he could with what was given him. The studio execs/ Marvel/ all of them are the real ones to blame. Why rush something? Especially something great. To me, it shows they never respected the franchise. I mean, look at how Singer (regardless of how much of a jerk he may or may not be) managed to sneak out the backdoor. They treated him like crap despite the wonderful work he did for that franchise and the studios/ Marvel/ etc. X3 will be in the line of Fantastic Four, etc. Movies that should have been good but were treated with disrespect and ended up being wastes. Sad if you ask me. Really sad. You can see the difference b/w movies handled w/ respect- X2, Spider Man 2, Blade 1 & 2, Batman Begins, etc. vs. movies treated without respect and gone about all wrong, see- F/Four, Batman and Robin, Blade 3, Punisher, etc. Real sad and depressing. You know, Marvel had a great run. Call me naive but I thought they were going to treat ALL of their films with the respect of the early successes. Guess I was wrong. I guess we have to appreciate what we have and not take it for granted. Still, I will be there on opening for X3 to judge for myself. I'll go in optimistic for the best but prepared for the worst.
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As she said, it was a UK Press screening. They didn't spend their hard-earned money to see it, in fact, they were investing their valuable time, and they had enough. There's nothing wrong with walking out of a bad movie and salvaging the rest of your afternoon/evening/night/whenever. Hell, I walked out of Soul Plane! Not that X3 could even possibly be that bad...
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"...that doesn't come from someone that has written in the past." TRANSLATION: I'm not posting any positive reviews of X3 because I was duped and made to look like a back pedaling, flip-flopping, sycophant. 'Nuff said.
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in 29 years of movie going I've only seen a few times where people have walked out, and I personally have only walked out of on...I walked out of the first Scarey Movie...along with others. The only other movie where I've seen people walkout was Jay andSilent Bob Strike Back, and that was an old couple after the first 5 minutes (the f-bomb montage if you will)...now sleeping during a movie that's another story
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Well after the disappointing MI:3 I was hoping for a 2nd wind.
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From what I understand Marvel is moving heavily into films with an ambitious schedule of upcoming films, way beyond Iron Man, Namor, and the others announced so far. They need quick cash to prime their movie making pumps, so they are cranking out fast money makers to build capital, they aren't shooting for great films, just money makers. It is why they pulled the rug out from under ToyBiz-(why make toys when you can make more licensing the properties?) Hopefully they won't forget that comics is where the heart and soul of their audience is.
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I only saw people walk out of a movie once, when I went to see "The Aristocrats." This couple walked out in the middle of George Carlin's interpretation of the joke which is in the first 5 minutes,.....But I agree with you, I don't think people would walk out of 99% of the films that are made because they paid and it's just dumb
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Look for "X-Men Begins" in 2015.
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I can smell the hand of Rothman all over this. I remember reading Mori's Rothman rant back when the first script review came in. And it looks like its all playing out just the way it was predicted. Utility Director, pedestrian product. Tom Rothman needs to be beaten with sticks for allowing this to happen. How can ANY intelligent studio head allow a PROVEN money making francise to hit the skids? Well, this gives Rothman the chance to prove that HE was right and SINGER was wrong about the X-Men Francise. How incredibly pitiful. To allow a potentially HUGELY long legged francise to waste away simply because of hubris.
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I don't know man. The sets are the same, the actors are the same, but it just didn't have the same... weight. I'll check out a matinee, but I think that preview hurt more than it helped.
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The idiots that run the studios have just as much (if not more) to do with the movie's quality. The execs don't give a rat's ass about the comic books or "The Fans" or even making a quality film. They just want to make profit, thus the choice of director and the constrained timetable. What a waste of talent though. A good script with a good director who cares about the material and a reasonable budget/timeframe staring Jean-Luc Picard, Gandalf and Hugh Jackman would've kicked so much ass. Well, if Fantastic 4 can do well I suppose X3 will at least make enough money for a down payment on a house in the Hills.
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The Alamo and M:I:2. I caught the ending of M:I:2 a couple of years ago on HBO (glad I walked out, too). I have never seen what happened to Davey...
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Movies that worked: X2, Spider-man 2, Spider-Man, Blade, Liongate's Punisher (yes, it was a rip-off of 70's Bronson pics, but so is the comic), Men in Black.
Movies that sorta worked: X-Men, Blade 2, Hulk (I was into it until the poodle), Daredevil (director's cut), MIB2, Fantastic Four
Movies that sucked: Electra, Blade 3 (iPod?!?!), Lundgren's Punisher, Captain America, Howard the Duck
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You have either been fortunate to see only good movies or you weren't paying attention or you were in the front row or whatever....I myself like to stay to the bitter end as well but no amount of goodwill could inspire me to sit all the way through KICKING AND SCREAMING (how I got talked into seeing it I am still not sure). People do walk out of theaters...though even for a sub-par X-MEN movie, it seems unlikely.....but then again this is Ratner, the man who somehow coaxed an absolutely dreadful performance from the usually wonderful Ed Norton in RED DRAGON. I have no hope for this movie...but I hear MY SAVIOR'S WEDDING (aka The Da Vinci Code) is goofy fun so maybe I'll go see that instead.
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What crack are you smoking and where can I get some?
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"Back to the Beach", "Blair Witch Project" and most recently, "Silent Hill". Got my money back for BW because half the problem was the sound was atrocious in the theater I saw it in. I was really, REALLY tempted to walk on MI:2, but was with other people who simply weren't as miserable as I was, so I stuck it out.
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Where can I see that?
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the comic industry did? Fans are bitching at the poory treatment of the films, and the horrible choices that are made to make a buck off of us. It reminds me of when the comic industry kept pushing shiny variant covers that convinced fans to buy 4 of the same thing. They pissed on continuity and generally insulted readers(in particular I remember being at a Marvel presentation where they announced the return of Norman Osborne as they were laughed at by a half empty room, just a few years after you could hardly get a seat in a Marvel presentation) Fans complained, but kept buying, so the comic companies kept making crap. Then fans started to reach their breaking point, and sales went into the toilet. The movies are going to do this too, its just a matter of which year they release enough duds. THE BALL IS IN YOUR COURT, FANTASTIC FOUR 2!
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I saw about a dozen walk out of King Kong when I went. Too sensitive, and folks that brought their young children mostly, which is stupid to begin with. The point I wish to make is that a press screening full of pretentious european writers, who are forced to attend X-men 3 for work, leaving early to go catch an earlier tube does not mean that it won't be a successful comic book film and please us fanboys just fine. On the other hand, I have never approved of the direction of this franchise, not liking the leather outfits, or the shifts in character continuity from the comics. (The original X-men were Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel, and Marvel Girl for chrissakes!) But I've just accepted that these are the X-men films we get, and I take them rather than leave them. Not a single superhero flick has been made yet that stuck to the comic continuity, because apparently the studio suits know what we want better than we do, but fuck it. If a total comprehensive bastardization of Fantastic Four can make $150 million dollars, then they must be doing something right... Right?
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I went to the premiere of Brian DePalma's "Casualties of War". After watching the film's soldiers' violate and humilate their female Vietnamese prisoner for the millionth time-- I opted to ask my female companion if she'd like to leave. She literally rocketed out of her seat. It was only on the way out that I saw DePalma, Barry Diller and a host of other "industry bigwigs" looking at me either in shock, disgust or hatred. I also instigated a mass walkout of ten people during a PAYING performance of "Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer". Funny thing is, I love violent action films... Just not pointless, shitty ones that substitute over the top stomach churning for art and talent. I've walked out of a few more movies too... And when I leave I ALWAYS get my money back.
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and I couldn't belive it because there was so much nudity, sex and violence in it... my god it was awesome!
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I have seen maybe a handful of times when a bunch of people decided to walk out, who were clearly not together. In other words, when people say they saw "a dozen people walk out of the theatre" they are either full of shit or calling a mom with her kids, who had to go to the bathroom, a dozen people.
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"Discrimating consumers" like you are one of the main reasons that comic book films will continue to abort comic continuity for the shit they're smearing on screen. The other big reason most comic movies suck?... The PRODUCERS for bending over to the studios slightest INSANITY-- allowing abominable changes just to get their credit and the ca$h. Could "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" been any worse? You probably sat through that entire shit stain too. "But it made over 100 million worldwide" you say? "They must've been doing something right, right?" Even expensive hookers can give you herpes, kid... I figure you'll learn that soon enough.
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Only movie I've ever just up and left. It was that bad though.
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"Not technically terrible, just soulless." Then it is a worthy sequel to the very pedestrian films preceding it. Smaller preceding films too, cinsidering the scope of the X3 clips I've seen. Was not planning on seeing this in the theater, yet with EVERY NEGATIVE REVIEW, I feel the urge to see this. It's comparable to the execution of FF? Then I'm there. Sorry, gang, but as the owner of over 400 issues of FF, that movie didn't suck. It could have been way better, but it wasn't horrid. The X-Men flicks have been far, far abusive of source material.
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Big surprise. This sounds EXACTLY like what I expected from Ratner. Oh well.
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Despite that, we have since enjoyed it and check it out whenever we chance across it on cable. Go Figure! Other than that, my only other walk out was during V For Vendetta when the American flag was equated with the Nazi flag. I got my money back, artistic license be damned. Ends up I hear the end was ripped from Three Amigos anyhow, which is contrary to the source. Somewhere, Steve Martin plots against me...
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...is that everything I've seen about it, everything I've read about it, makes it sound like MORE of a "comic book" type of a film than the first two. I just get that vibe a heck of a lot more -- the first two felt weighted in the real world, and the third feels like a fun ride through comic book land...more Wolverine quips, the dialogue I heard in the seven minute preview, Beast, the Morlocks sort of showing up...it's hard to explain and maybe I'm wrong, but it's there, for better or worse.
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I knew another guy at the screening who said the film wasn't amazing but was pretty good (a guy who doesn't know the comics but generally liked the first two). Basically the way it's going to break down among the fanboys is that the haters will find plenty of things to hate about it, the lovers will find plenty of things to love about it, and the war between the two will rage on on these talkbacks. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will treat it as simply enjoyable summer entertainment, just like they did the first two.
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...heinously bad. Luckily I was at an 18 screen multiplex so I ducked into another flick.
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cause the first film was mediocre. Now if this movie is worse than the first film then it's pretty much shite!
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Immortal Fish, you do realize that V For Vendetta took place in England right? Im not sure where you get the idea that the American flag was equated with the Nazi flag.
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It's a shame how what you write is too little, too late. Singer's fucked up the film adaptations of these characters so much that's it's honestly comedic to read how Ratner has finally taken the movie adapted characters into the 4-color realm. I understand how demographics suggested why the first two flicks had to be Wolverine and the X-Men. Yet instead, what I got was Stab-Man and his Mostly Mundane Friends. At least Singer won't be bastardizing any other comic icons just to tell the story he wants to tell any time soon. Oh wait!
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I thought this would turn into another T3, a movie that wasn't as terrible as everyone expected it to be but pales in comparison to the previous installments. Too bad, they really should have given this project more time to develop instead of rushing it to meet the release date. Remember what happened to ALIEN 3?
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You're kidding, right? Remember the 'library' where American, Confederate, and Nazi flags were all displayed on equal footing, and the Koran was on display as 'a work of art'? What matters the locale, be it England or Zimbabwe? I was offended, walked out, and got my cash back. I will not stand for America being equated with Nazi Germany, something the Germans themselves do not stand for in this day and age. And to place the Koran on a pedestal as 'a work of art'? When the Passion of Mohammed animated like South Park is in the can, perhaps then I'll bite.
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Although the worst film I've ever seen in a cinema is "Renegades". BTW does anyone know if Jemma Mcfatback is English, cos no self respecting English person calls their Mobile a Cellphone.
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um, in the world of V, the commonality of the confederate, american, and nazi flag was that they had all been banned, in entirety, from public or private display by The Leader. Same with the Koran--and I don't think you're in any position to question it's literary merit any more than I'm able to establish it.
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MI-3 is performing below expectations, despite getting fairly decent reviews. It's both a combination of backlash towards Tom, and the fact the film opened before Memorial Day weekend (the traditional start of the summer movie season). But here's another, far more ominous possibility: High gasoline prices. This could affect X3, and the early impression is that X3 is "okay" at best, and mediocre at worst. Expect it to open big but then sink like a rock in water. Superman Returns? I say it will do steady, quiet business, but it's not going to be a break-out hit. I'm going to predict that Pirates of the Carribean 2 and Over The Hedge will be the top hits of the summer.
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Sorry LOTR Lovers I fell asleep about ten hours into that snooze fest.
X3 will do what the others have done and better because there is more and more is always at least worth seeing especially when the last two mediocre pieces of shit made money.
Man I fell asleep in Final fantasy that movie was the worst.
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"Um" Always dig it when "um" is typed out all smarmy like. "Um" Well, Jed... um... I can interpret literary merit any way I damn well please. My $9.50 bought me at least that much. And, um, I didn't care for it. Koran GOOOD!! USA BAAD!! Perhaps I should have mentioned the unnecessary politico retrofit of the last 10 years on a story based on something written in 1985. Um....
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Was not a disaster, but would have been better without (please tell me it's temp music, please!) that horribly inappropriate music playing behind the whole thing. There were moments of stillness accompanied by music sounding like it was meant for a really dramatic moment. If it's not temp music, that's sad.
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...are there Sentinels in the movie or just those 2 horrible spotlights? Where are the apologists now?
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Can be found at http://www.dell.com/html/us/xmen/index.html
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I agree. At one moment I thought I was watching Days of Our Lives with prosthetics. Wouldn't it be obvious in the dailies? How does that stuff get past a director?? ....Oh.
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probably a good analysis - there'll be some people that love it...others will hate it...the vast majority will be pretty indifferent.......but indifferent is very bad for summer blockbusters.
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your credibility just went out the window for the rest of your tenure here, thanks for playing
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Absolutely love that movie. That's one of the reasons why I am skeptical of anyone who disses X3 right now, because it's the exact same set of circumstances. No Bryan Singer/James Cameron.. you get the idea. It CAN be good, even if it wasn't made by Singer. I am willing to give it a fair chance. And no, Fantastic Four was not "okay"- it was awful.
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That if you walk out of a movie (except for technical problems or an emergency) it is because there is something wrong with your brain. That's just fucked up. That's like saying 'I bought the new RHCP album today, listened to the first 2 songs and didn't like them so I threw the album in the garbage. I just bought Stephen King's Cell, and didn't like the first chapter so I threw it in the fire. What kind of expectation can you possible have walking into a ****TOM CRUISE SPY MOVIE**** that it lets you down enough to walk out? You see the commercial for Waterworld and you see Aquaman on a catamaran fighting **Dennis Hopper wearing an eyepatch** and you were expecting what, the Schindlers List of Aquaman vs Oilpirate movies? And it goes especially for the guy who said he walked out of Scary Movie. If you have an IQ of over 25, then Scary Movie was exactly what you were expecting, the movie was *exactly* as the commercial portrayed it, a brainless collection of random horror movie spoofs. The fact that you walked out of a movie that delivered *exactly* what you payed for it to deliver is just fucked...up.
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I agree, T3 was good. It wasn't what I was initially expecting and the humor was forced, but upon repeat viewings I gained an appreciation for it. It fixed the paradox\continuity issues, it had a great dark, hopeless atmosphere, and the ending had huge hairy balls.
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No offense, but there really wasn't much information in that review. I mean, it pretty much said: "It's like FF, but not. Hally sucks (no news there), the deaths are anticlimatic, it's more like T3.
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was kinda cool, I thought.
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So sue me. It's low key, but I liked the casting and characterization, with the exception of how Doom was handled (which I agree is a travesty). Yes, even Alba was likeable. They could make up for it in the sequel.
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your summary of waterworld is the funniest thing i've read in a long time.
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It looks like it follows the other two films, but I do see valid criticism of it rehashing some of the situations. Which is pretty much what the comics themselves do. Well, it shouldn't be that hard to make an action film where anyone can do anything by its own rules.
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a mohawk, though.
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someone said somewhere up above this looks like it will be more of a ride through a comic book. and no offense to the first two movies but i'm ready for it. i hope that's what it is. i hope. and fantastic four was a good movie. seriously. i admit the first viewing of it left me underwhelmed, but now i enjoy it. it's not an action movie. and it's not a drama. it's a comedy (romcom at times) where everyone happens to have superpowers. how can you take FF seriously anyway? forty years of comics and they still have the same lineup the same costumes the same campy villians the same setup all around. other comics have changed and adapted for the times (x-men, batman, spiderman). fantastic four's appeal is it's nostalgic quality. the campy nature of the whole superhero celeb idea. and that's what the movie delivers. what does this have to do with x-men? i have not a clue. but when i heard singer was leaving the series i felt relieved. i hoped for something different. i love the x-men. they are THE ultimate mordern mythology to me. and i really didn't like the way singer shaped them. they were too human. too real. too much like a sci-fi drama, not enough super hero. too many speech baloons and not enough *WHACK*'s. you know?
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singer's flaw was never not knowing what the x-men were about. he knew they were to be take seriously. he knew they were about diversity, and minoritys. but he didn't know the x-men. he never got the characters if you ask me.
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I've walked out on The Time Machine (with the memento guy). I stayed long enough to find out why the moon was breaking up, then left. Other walk outs include: Bad Boys II, Batman and Robin, and Reality Bites(I just left that one cuz I went with a bunch of friends. I wanted to see The Crow, and they out voted me. So, I walked out of Reality Bites and into The Crow).
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....and...except for the groan-inducing product placement for dell...
....it doesn't look half bad. Look gang, neither of the first two movies were senses-shattering, original or life-changing. They were fun pop confections that, while not being entirely "faithful" to their comic-book source, they at least had their intentions...they were anchored by a good cast that pulled the viewer in and some decent production values that gave us a visual bang for our buck.
From this extended clip, it looks like Ratner is giving us more of the same. We'll see soon enough for ourselves...
BTW, I never enjoy reviews (good or bad) that have to malign other movies to make their point...the example here...T3. I actually enjoyed that movie...especially that audacity of it's downbeat ending paving the way for a real interesting next installment (if it ever happens).
Have there been huge missteps with the # 3 in a series? Depends on who you ask. A majority of folks would say Alien3 was a real bomb...but again, that's another movie that despite it's troubled production, at least had some folks involved that were trying to do something different with the idea, and parts of that idea were pretty compelling. Some say the teddy bears killed Star Warss way back when, but there are actually other juicy bits in ROTJ that I couldn't imagine not ever seeing like Jabba's palace and Luke confronting Vader and the emperor...classic geek n' movie stuff that at the time was overshadowed by percieved negativity.
Who knows what catagory X3 will fall into...a good addition to a solid series of entertaining movies or another exercise in creative fatigue rushed to conclusion. But again, based on what I'e seen so far...I'm going to give this one a shot in the theatre before I render judgement...relax, gang...it's just... entertainment! -
Why else would the studio try and beat 'Superman Returns' release date?
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Well... you know. This is a pluralist argument. I disagree with people like Immortal Fish and Freakemovie and whoever else who said that this movie will probably be better because it "feels" more like a comic book than the previous two installments, but to prefer that type of movie is certainly their prerogative. I just personally think it's kind of silly. It's as if the criteria you use to judge movies that aren't based on comic books suddenly goes out the window. I mean... well, first of all, it's hard to establish exactly what "feeling like a comic book" means. Wanton disrespect for physics? But I heard someone refer to the quips that it looks like Wolverine makes. Alright, well let's say that Wolverine has a lot more "quips" in this one. I didn't realize he had a whole lot of quips in the comics, but I wouldn't exactly call myself well-versed when it comes to the X-Men mythos, so okay. Does that actually make the movie good? And what good is the similarity to a comic book to people who've not read the comics? I mean, the dialogue could still suck. The plot could go nowhere. The film could end really abruptly.
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They made some strange edits that sucks the life out of some of these scenes. Still, it does leave you feeling like the movie is a bit empty on coolness and atmosphere. We will see.
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how did you not like it?
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I have seen HUNDREDS of films in the theater. I have personally only walked out of 3 or 4. I have never seen more than 3 people walk out of a movie (unless it was a big group that came together). I also call bullshit sometimes when people say "I saw a bunch of people walk out". Movies are 9-12 dollars these days. People will sit through anything. Most walkouts I have seen were old people exposed to sex or gore they didn't expect or a parent leaving with a child. RARELY do people get up during even the SHITTIEST movies and leave. It doesn't fucking happen folks! It sounds dramatic and helps drive a point home (the movie sucked), but it's usually bullshit.
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...about this movie. I was concerned with how Fox was rushing it to theatres, I was worried when I heard that Brett Ratner would be helming the film, and I was horrified when I read the early synopsis. Now, though, it's just clear that this movie will just be another dull, empty summer popcorn flick, and I have about as much interest in seeing this as I do for Poseidon. I'll see this once it hits the dollar theatre, I think, if I don't give it a miss altogether.
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I didn't say that Box Office Gross=Quality, and I didn't claim to be a discriminating consumer. What I did claim however was that I wasn't happy with the execution of ALL the X-flicks. Do you admit that you misinterpreted me? Good boy. Now, in response to your bitching and whining, let me pose a question to you -- How do movies become huge box office successes? Thanks to good word of mouth, of course! Not always from critics, usually from "discriminating consumers" who tell their friends to go because they are sure they'll have a good time. It's not Hollywood's responsibility to slavishly depict the comics panel by panel, it IS their responsibility to do everything they can to ENTERTAIN US. I don't have enough time on my hands to sit around holding my dick and begrudging Hollywood the ten bucks it costs to go to a movie. I just go, and then I form my opinion on what I just saw. I love going to the movies, and more than that, I love going to summer popcorn flicks. And I was collecting X-men comics since the decade it was created, so I think I'm pretty qualified to weigh in on the aptitude of the adaptation which is -- just good enough for me to go again, and own the DVD's too, because it's not a detriment to my life that Wolvie doesn't have a gay yellow mask and they neglected to include Laugheed the dragon. To cap it off, you misinterpreted me, so fuck off, fuck you, get fucked, and go fuck yourself.
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The writing has been on the wall for some time. If you are reasonably intelligent and aren't delusional, you realized long ago that this was just a piece of shit film they were making to cash in at the box office, which it will do. What is sad is that so many people who know the film sucks will pay to see it and reward the filmmakers for creating trash.
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Did he write the script? Did he approve the script? Did he set the deadline to have the film done? No...the fault is the suits at Fox. And once again, they are smart (if soulless) because this will make a ton of money.
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the latter bored me with the madonna musical numbers and the former was apiece of shit (i walked out during some stupid 10 minute bike chase that had nothing to do with the rest of the fucking film)
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storm is getting all the zingers. : /
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T3 had one of the most universally positive Talkbacks in AICN history...you dirty, stinking liars are trying to rewrite history.
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the characters are there etc but something wrong
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fox will, paramount will, wb will, sony will
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I've walked out of several films, but not often because I check Rotten Tomatoes beforehand. The last one I walked out of was Sky Captain...just abysmal. But I only pay to see two or three films a year at the theater now, so quality control is not that difficult.
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I've personally never walked out of a movie, but I remember watching the Hunted or Hunting I can't remember. Where Tommy Lee Jones and Benicio Del Toro knife fight for like an hour a half. This family brought like a six year old kid into, after the first fight they sprinted out. I don't know if that is actually considered a walk out, but I was laughing my ass off. Dumb people entertain me. Oh yeah this movie will suck and the BO will be owned by POTC:DMC or Snakes on a Plane.
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It starts with the script! Thank you! All the Ratner hate is only semi-warranted. It was Singer and Vaughan before him that sanctioned this pile of poo, if that's what it turns out to be, or else they saw the script and ran because they knew it was career suicide to be attached to it. Directors SHOULD have enough control, ala Spielberg, to insure the quality they envision, but they often don't. What I fail to grasp, and what I think that pushead that called me out a few posts ago was alluding to, is this--Why don't the studios see the success that Sin City had, which is directly attributed to involving the creator in the moviemaking process, and emulate that? That approach would undoubtedly give them great movies that entertain, sell tickets and DVD's, and satisfy the core audience while staying faithful to the source. It seems to be an obvious approach that's much more effective in sustaining the appeal of comic book movies. And then we know if the movie sucks, it's probably because the comic was a piece of shit too.
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He directed this film. It's HIS movie. The suits who gave him money and an uncompromising deadline are also to blame, sure, but if you can't blame the director of a shitty film for making a shitty film, who the hell else can you blame?
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I wasn't very impressed at all. Watching a couple of extended clips from a movie certainly isn't going to give you a glimpse of the whole picture, but unlike a quick, rapidly cut trailer, it gives you a better sense of the tone and flow of a couple scenes in the movie. And from what I saw, well yeah, flat is probably the best word to describe it. I didn't much care for Beast, either. Grammar's voice is too recognizable and I kept feeling that I was watching Frasier Crane in a furry blue suit. Plus, the makeup work bothered me more than ever. And then there's the whole outcast mutant meeting where Magneto gets up and makes a little speech. All the 'extra' mutants in that scene just look plain lame. But there is one thing I can't wait to see in this movie: Kitty getting a chance to kick some ass. At the very least, we should get some fun phasing fights.
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The most complicit party if this movie fails is -- wait for it -- MARVEL! They sold the fucking rights and all the creative control away to insure a big cash influx. They got lucky when X1 was a hit, and then Spider-Man after it, but we've seen through all their tricks now and it's time for them to UP THE SCALE, not continue to give us the same redundant shit. I'm going to keep going to the movies, though, because if we don't then superhero films will cease to be made, and that's a risk we fans can't afford.
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Hmmmm... The headline really says it all doesn't it? The 7-minute preview wasn't fun, but it wasn't terrible. matinee double-feature stuff at best.
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But the only one I did walkout of, was "The Couch Trip", with Dan Ackroyd. (remember him, anyone?) Actually, I feel asleep first, and then I woke up and walked out. But I've wanted desperately to walk out of many films, and didn't, and regretted it (many of which you all listed before): Highlander 2, Batman & Robin, The Time Machine, Wild, Wild West, Alien3, T3, F4(which I snuck-into in the first place!) and Hulk. A walkout is a time-honored method of protest, one that emphatically states: I hate your film with a passion and I can't tolerate it any more! As to X3, I'm going to simply not go and see it in the first place, since I'm sure it will disappoint me greatly...
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Who runs these studios?? I knew Vaughan didn't leave because of that crap that Fox's PR people shot out. He left cause he knew the scope of the film and needed more time. FOX also slapped the man with a gag order no doubt to prevent him from venting his frustrations to the media. Why can't these people just phucking wait. I don't know if the movie is bad, but when i usually have this sinking felling about a film it always pans out true.
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When I heard the running time was set around 96 minutes I knew this puppy was questionable. FOX wants to cram as many showings into a day as possiable to have a big opening weekend. All these clips of action, action, action raised my eyebrows. There were just scenes and little meat to them. Know I will say i was impressed by some of them and nothing honestly looked bad save for that DR scene, but if FOX wanrs to keep the film under wrapes and secret why in the hell are they showing all these damn clips. Look people the FOX people know when they have a turkey or mediocre film on their hands, so they go it to salvage mode. Usually their is no press release screening, commercials and tralers with nothing but action scenes, and in this case a huge 4000 plus theater opening and quick running time will ensure a ton of showings for that big opening weekend. While Singer wasn't the best man for the job at least he did quality work where the movie didn't suck of felt as if something is off.
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I just watched the preview on the Dell site and this film looks like it's gonna rock. I haven't had any negative response at all to any of the preview/marketing material for X3. So far it looks like a solid third chapter. It may not best the first two but I don't think it'll be bad. And I doubt it's as bad as F4...F4 solely rode on the coat tails of Johnny Storm and the Thing, despite his terrible non-cgi enhanced rubber foam suit. It doesn't matter to me that we're not getting the proper Superman or possibly the best X-Men because hey, at least we're getting it and they each seem fine so far. Though honestly the marketing of X3 has me wanting to see it more than SR...but then again I have many more problems with the Superman film than X3 believe it or not...
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MARVEL, MARVEL, MARVEL AND PHUCKING MARVEL. While my hatred is directed at FOX, no one bigger to blame here is MARVEL comics. Letting their most popular property get anal phucked by greedy execs who haven't a clue how to pull these films together. FOX is the worst studio for any comic property to be at. They are the WB of the new century. I'm sure the movie will make its budget back, but it doesn't mean qulaity. Kinberg has writing this movie alwyas rubbed me the wrong way. To hell with FOX I'll pay for another movie to get the credit like Akeelah & The Bee and see the Xmen. Why FOX just didn't wait is beyond me. Damn just phucking wait.
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"Any review that claims that people started walking out is bullshit." When I saw the original Pirates of the Caribbean, people started walking out before it was over (but it ended up being well received so that didn't mean much - I felt that it was overlong and if it weren't for Depp there wouldn't be anything worth watching) any way people do walk out of screenings, since most haven't paid for the thing they have no monetary investment.
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The bottom line is, everyone's in this for the money. It's not about art, or entertainment, for that matter; this film has been made for the express purpose of making a few people a whole lot richer.
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I want to say that the T3 metaphor as far as Hollywood buzz and fan reaction prior to release is a proper analogy to what has occurred in the TBs, pre-X3. However, has someone has already mentioned, once Harry's review was written it seemed as though all were forgiven as all the bad blood was a matter of speculation and rumor.______________________________
Now I for one wasn't just forgiving of T3, I genuinely liked it, though it did not stand up to multiple viewings. I suspect I'll have the same reaction when I see X3. It'll be Chinese food, light and fleeting. Thus far I have not been completely disappointed or so upset to consider half a sentiniel or Grammer's beast a deal breaker. What I remain concerned about is the everything and the kitchen sink approach to this film that will make it something of a disjointed effort._____________________________A prior poster blamed the screen writers and that is definitely where I would start. The true shame of it is we could have had a "more comic book" themed film and done it with more concentration on character building than number of characters (Quill is in this? Honestly people!).__________________________As for what some may deem the curse of third installments in triologies, I would only argue that if you view the X-films as loosely held together comic narratives, each can stand independently of each other and tell a worthwhile story and UNLIKE T3, here there are no continuity or logic acrobatics to negotiate. We should therefore judge X3 as its own unit and an action picture. -
You are right and the real way to show Hollywood is to not see their films. The box office sonks lower each year. I think Hollywood is no longer catering to the male demographic. With all these teens now having money they see them as a new demographic and churn out braindead films. In Fox's case it's pure greed pure and simple. I just see no other reason on Earth as to why they couldn't wait for singer and released this puppy in 07. If FOX hadn't dangled the carrot in front of Singer to long, he wouldv'e been at the helm. The man even said that he'd do it after SR, but not only did FOX bot want to wait, they blundered ahead with a preset release date and a tight shooting time frame and seemed hell bent to beat SR release date. They will now sufer for it when this movie opens to 40-55 million weekend take and takes a huge drop next week. After the reviews I'm seeing and it's not only here this film will sadly make money off the success of the previous films, but it won't beat x2, I just hate that these people don't give a dman and do what they think is best instead of putting out a quality product. I'm sure no studio's intent is to churn out a flop, but greed does cloud one's judgement.
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it's a movie based on a comic book. i'm not saying it'd be more marketable as a comic book brought to life. i'm saying that's what i'd like to see. if this is the last one at least we're going out with a bang. (what is considered to be) the two worst comic book movies (b&r and elektra) suffered greatly because in all honestly they weren't based on the comics as much as the ideas presented by the comics (and batman and robin was based on the 60's tv show). x-men is the best selling comic for a reason. it works. the comics work and if the movie creators are true to the comics they will work. singer was only true to the comics in ideas and principle, but not to the characters and to the spirit. i loved the first two because they were x-men movies. not because they were great movies. they needed more comic influence and less comic reference.
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i saw alot of people leave the theater during king kong's third hour. and during "derailed" a fat guy in front of us left with his eight year old son during the rape scene. i hate it when people bring kids to R rated movies and don't check it out first. i personally walked out of how to lose a guy in ten days and john Q. i'd seen both films once before and wasn't excited about the ending. i see movies several times in theaters. i don't know why.
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Then I remembered most people here hate Alien 3, and for me, that rules the series. I can see how people hate it, but Newt annoyed me, and I wasn't invested in Hicks. The athmosphere kicked ass.
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Pressure them to make everything after this better.This franchise is too rich to be killed off by some hack.
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If George Lucas can go back and redo Star Wars.. does that mean that Fox (having suitable film rights and permissions to the Marvel property) can go back and reshoot the movie using a different director??... Why not?.. It's been done before (some with decent results, some with disasterous (see:Renny Harlin))besides, do you think Rick McCallum produced STAR WARS in 77? new crew, new director, hell new actors in lesser roles if need be.....I'm not nessesarily talking a "Richard Donners Superman 2" type of thing.. Just take the good, reshoot/rewrite what doesn't work, let Someone else do pick ups and reshoots, and get it together.. Sadly though, Bryan Singers Calender is all filled up.. Hell I'd prefer a Michael Bay meaty slo-mo cheese-fest than something bland and uninspired.
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and as a lover of the comics and the movies, the second one even more than the first, I come away more then pleased with the results. The tone and seriousness seem to still be there , it still feels like a continuation of the X series to me, not some out of left field shit sequel.
All you people bitching about this have to remember, this is NOT the best stuff, it is fragmented, on purpose so that when you get to the theatre and see the film you don't feel like you already saw everything online.
I mean c'mon.
If I were to pick anything apart it would be my dissapointment with how beast came out...he looks too uncomfortable, too fake...his look doesn't work for me...I would of rather had him a little less literally taken out of the books...but his voice and what they seem to be doing with the character works for me.
I loved how kitty Pryde grabs Juggies legs and sinks him into the floor...that was awesome...the extra mutants are cool too, as it is fun to see all the different kinds that there are...
Angel soaring into the sky...shit guys what the fuck do you want them to do, film pictures of Jim Lee's X-men artwork instead?
As far as the review goes, I am sad to hear it, and I will hope that I come away with a completly different experience when I see this..opening night with probably all the rest of you haters acting like you love it and applauding at the end..just like when I saw the second one, with a theatre FULL of Comic book geeks and they all loved it...I hope this one is half as good as X2... -
Make sure you stay till the very end of the CREDITS for something pretty cool in this one.
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People did start walking out, but only to get in the half hour queue to pick up their cell phones.
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I walked out of a free screening of Yu-gi-oh that I went to with my 6 year old son, in fact - I ended up leaving him in the theater alone because he was loving the movie. ( I did stay outside the door and peak in to check on him every few minutes in case Child Services is reading) I'd jump in front of a bullet for him, but there's no way in hell I could ever endure that torture again. I'd rather suck Bigfoot's dick.
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stance on the previous talkback. Perhaps it was a bit harsh, but surely you could understand my pov. According to your comments above, I now see that you will not be posting ANY reviews, good or bad, unless they're from known sources. I applaud you for doing so despite any personal misgivings you may have about the film. Surely this is the only way to counter all the conspiracy theories and maintain your cred. Bravo, sir, Bravo.
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Just let fucking writers and fucking directors build a film on their artistic merits and stick to the fucking source material and the fucking profits will take care of themeselves. If X1 taught us anything, it's that the fanboys can carry opening weekend. Quit cranking out product for the sake of cranking out product and put some fucking time into the story and its characters and then you will have your product. You know what? I'm not a studio exec, or a director, or a producer. So, you can blow off my rant, and others like mine you find on these sites. But I do know one thing: If you continue to spew forth crap w/out giving the dedicated creative folks room to work, every other licensed Marvel character film will put your asses right back in the red. Cocksuckers. Quit ruining our reasons to go to the movies. Jesus.
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I've had the fortune to go to several press screenings here in Los Angeles. Not tons of them, but enough to know that critics, reporters, etc. walk out. It happens. For them it's free, with some craft services maybe, but they see it as a part of their jobs, and if they're not enjoying the film, it's a part of their job they don't give a shit about. Some are even on their blackberrys or texting or talking to someone about something unrelated to the film, or sleeping. It sounds crazy, but that's the reality of it. A lot of folks fortunate enough to have jobs here in Hollywood don't really give a shit.
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Pretty black girl got Oscar for showing tits without makeup.
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If this is worst then the first then it will really suck!
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I have no idea how X3 will turn out, but I'll wait until I see it to pass judgement.
However, I have always believed that the first two films are way overrated. Am I alone in this? Was Cyclops not drastically underused? One or two punches, his glasses fall off, and he's done! (I've never been a huge Cyclops fan, but I do respect the fact that he can kick some serious ass in the comics.) And was anyone really that impressed by Wolverine? Did he get knocked out cold not once, but twice, in two movies? Was his "beserker" scene all that gratifying? (Though from a casting standpoint, Hugh Jackman is brilliant.) Xavier- always rendered useless. Storm always blew- both literally and fuguaratively. Rogue was just boring. Iceman had potential. (Ice up, for god's sake! Can't CGI accomplish this?) The list of misinterpreted characters, in my opinion, goes on and on.
I hated the ending of the first one. The special effects for both movies were sort of "meh."
I think there's only two classic scenes- one in eack movie: wolverines intro in the cage match, and Nightcrawler in the White House. Beyond that...X1 and X2 were entertaining, but just okay. They're not the X-Men movies I'd like to have seen. -
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all this is doing is fueling the fire. I'm eager for someone who actually knows how to review a film to write on this. And of course, to see the movie myself. And all the actors have been saying it's the best script of the three. I know they're probably supposed to say that, but in some interviews, they give really good reasons. We'll see.
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They are better than of the other crappy superhero films, but not really great by any means. They had their moments though.
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harry only posts reviews from people he trusts (to say it sucks) but this review is shit. I could have written it based on trailer scenes. And Harry...Don't say your waiting til the movie you made up your mind long ago to rip this film to shreds man up and stick by all the shit you've said in the past. Your ability to interview and make out with Bryan Singer doesn't make Superman good. Every theatre I have been in Pirates,X3, and even the Break Up get better audience reactions than Superman.
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Da Vinci isn't screening because it premieres at Cannes but is there any love for that movie on this site? That film will kick ass.
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X2 was much better. It didn't collapse in the third act like the first one did. I do like how everyone panning X3 hasn't seen it yet. The first two films establish an "on the brink" feeling enough that this one can go pretty apeshit and get away without much characterization because the groundwork is alread laid. It doesn't mean it should, but it can. Everyone thought the first X-men would suck based on production photos and some rumors, but only the ending sucked, and generally for different reasons than were predicted by fans. This one just looks like more of the same. A decent summer film, with a few great scenes and a bunch of scenes ruined by the mis-casting of Storm. I also agree with the poster who pointed out that while Jackman is fantastic as Wolverine, his action scenes have been incredibly tame, and in some cases very bad. It wasn't Jackman's fault though. He didn't string the wires, frame the shots, do the CGI, direct or edit. As for T3, with the exception of some Arnold scenes, T3 is really good. X3 seems to be getting the same treatment all the way around, so I'm going to wait and judge it for myself.
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When I saw MI3 the first trailer was the Break Up and the audience was dead silent, like scary silent. That movie doesn't look funny at all. Then X3 where at the end people were laughing basically I don't know why but they were. The last trailer was Superman Returns and people went apeshit screaming an applauding so I don't know about that. But maybe they were laughing in joy for the trailer of X3 instead of at it, but I doubt it.
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I just don't understand how this movie can look good, but judging from this site and what i heard it's shyt. I don't know. I keep going back and forth with this one. All the clips i've seen except for the Danger room has been good. I don't give a crap about how beast looks. It works for me. The Bridge sequence where Magneto stops all the cars and pushes them to the side looks amazing. Can we be overreacting? Can Harry's disdain for this film make up jump on board with him? It appears so. Look i think it's time for us all to stpe back and jusde the movie for ourselves. I'm scared as shyt, but i'll just wait and see.
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I'm sorry, but whether or not a person is likely to walk out on a film for its stupidity or whatever, how fucking likely is it that they would walk out at THE VERY END? NOT AT ALL. That said, I haven't seen an X-Men film I've liked, and I doubt I'm gonna.
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Well I've seen the trailer for superman 3 times in the theaters and there was no reaction to it. X3 got some reaction witj talking afterwards and clapping. So it just depends. In all my years of going to the movie I've walked out of a movie once. I've been to plenty of films even the good ones where people have walked out. It's never a huge hoard of people, but for the most part it's people with kids and cellphones and someone going to the bathroom. The groups of people that I've seen leave were people together and it's always teens, which also are the ones who came in when the movie has been on a good while, so I get the impression that they didn't pay to see it to begin with.
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May 13, 2006 11:42:42 AM CDT
This what happens when you copy another Directors styl
by bendersshinyass
Ratner only cared about making the films LOOK like singer had continued the films. Sounds to me like he should have put some balls into it and made it something new. Thank jebus he didn't get Superman.
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FOX wanted a director to just shoot the film and get the tone the same and that's what they did getting ratner. Ratner is not the problem, he never was. It's FOX and the writers. I mean if this film is pure shyt it falls on the m and not Ratner.
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and it was because I GOT MY LATE ASS THERE WHEN THE THEATER WAS DAMN NEAR FULL AND I had to sit in the front row or pretty close. I can't enjoy a film where i have to look up and hold my neck in that position for about 2 hours. i've tried and i just leave and get a refund and go to the next showing or something.
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Avengers. Godzilla. Hulk. MI2. Open Water. FellowShip of the Ring. Batman Begins. Batman & Robin. Attack of the Clones (just before all the cool action at the end, hehe) Fast and the Furious. and thats all i can think of right now. Oh, and X2! And i tend to agree all of these films were trash. But I do enjoy the extended Fellowship first half.
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that says the film is on par with X2. and he sounds crediable. He's pissed at Cyclops handling, but overall the film works. I guess it's a plant, LOL.
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I've walked out of various multiplex screenings into another screen. Note that this was a late press screening and people may have been getting the tube. Recently I watched delighted as numerous people walked out of Hostel, which was as least as entertaining as the film itself.
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No one can tell you whether a movie is good or not no matter how much whining they do, why, cause only you know what you like. Go see it, or don't. Like it or don't but for jumpin jesus christ on a popsicle stick stop bellyaching about it.
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Sweet fancy Moses, if the reviews on here weren't so pretentious they might be worth a lick.
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I'm predicting it will be worse than X2 (which I adored) and better than X1 (which I liked when I first saw but is really pretty minor league, especially compared to the second).
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walked out of VEGAS VACATION! perhaps the most UNFUNNY movie i've ever seen in a movie theater.
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I'll love it.
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Dude...you're audience is british...They're morons. Hence the walkout. Cheerio. X3 will own balls and tits in the states!
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Jemma, I just want to know what I should get myself into here. If I'm mad that they are apparently throwing away both Cyclops and Prof X (more mad about Cyclops because he was so short changed in the last movie), is it worth me going to see it happen or should I just wait for the whole thing to unfold on DVD? Or should I even be prepared to view X2 like the end of the series the way I do with Aliens in the Alien series?
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I've been underwhelmed by the American clips and trailers, though the TV spots are conveying appropriate gravitas. If you haven't seen the Japanese trailer though (linked off www.superherohype.com) then do so. The 1st half of it is silent and moody, and the final freeze frame is X3-as-manga and cool as hell.
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Will the Xmen casting of no-name tv teens along with Kelsey Grammar result in a TV series with Beast leading the team? Even Jean Grey is from TV's Nip/Tuck. Prof X and Cyclops are killed in X3movie. I'm sure Wolverine and Storm's exits can be justified as well as Magneto. Everyone else remaining salaries are pretty affordable. Plus go to the Myspace Xmen site and the kids just love the Xmen. And as much as I hated Fantastic Four... Kids Loved It. Comics are for kids also and if we can get kids reading anything, yeah! Just sucks that what they are falling in love with is so diff from the originals we enjoyed.
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I have seen both the x-men movies and i am looking forward to seeing x-3. This is a summer movie and as such what is grating with harry, is that he wants the comic books that he read and loves on screen down to the last bit. What harry wants and what the studio wants are two totally seperate things. Studios are there to make money, they know that audience is going to be made a target group and people who like action movies. Studios dont want to bore the shit out of their audiences during the summer time. I saw the origianl directors cut of alien there recently on sky one, the one with the nest sequence. I am not really sure what the point of it was. Camerons movie is a masterpiece of action. the directors cut is as great as Scotts because it explains that at some point ripley had a daughter, who died for reasons which are unexplained. Alien 3 was dark and Alien 4 is ass. Fox ran these alien 3 and 4 into the ground. Alien 3 was made in the UK, so fox had to send execs over to keep an eye on things and fincher says that he was bullied by fox and Weaver who thought the film was hers and at 11 million fee she was right possibly. This is a summer movie season and if you high art you can forget about that untill the autumn, the literary adptations/oscar worthy films come out. I hate the rush sour movies as much as the next person, but does that mean that is all ratner will do, of course not. Finally I want to clear something up. I have been following the movie industry for a long time. I dont know how much the price tag for Mi3 was. 150 million? that it took in 50 million on its opening weekend, hollywood beancouters consider this a failure. Why? well if the this movie made 150 back in its opening weekend. That would make a smash. But it only made 50. Hollywood declares that a failure. Before anyone says anything. The combined worldwide total for Mi3 will pass 150 million, if it hasnt already done so. Harry doesnt Understand how hollywood system works financially. He may hate Brett Ratner in volcanic way, spewing out vitriol sometimes but he is not a hollywood beancounter. I will be going to X-men 3. Because I like comic books films and i also want to be entertained for a couple of hours at the movies. that is what movies are there for. and too occasionally inform.
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What I mean is, for people who want to enjoy an X-Men film, maybe now that expectations are lower, it'll seem better, or good enough...Just looking for a bright side.
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I walked out of Thin Red Line and Waking Life. I wanted to walk out of The Doors, A Midnight Clear, AI, Magnolia, and You and Me and Everyone We Know - but I stuck those dogs out to the bitter end. And I think I can answer Smackfu, who wondered why one would walk out of a film, and not at least see if there was any value to it: sometimes, each additional marginal minute in a film constitutes additional pain, so the maximum value one can get is to get the hell out ASAP, before one gets further into negative value by experiencing more of the agony. If walking out of Waking Life meant that I had to pay double, I still would have left, and would have considered my "exit fee" money well spent.
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and wanting to beat Singer's Superman to the punch instead of making another quality X3 like the first two. Oddly, every geeks favorite punching bag Halle telegraphed her uneasiness with what was going down in serveral interviews. The rush has lead to a mediocore movie. Fox should have just waited and put out a good X3 film with Vaughn in charge next year. Now Singer and Warner by default look better.
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I was bored already. I've seen a lot of walkouts -- Silent Hill was the most recent, but Rules of Attraction has the record. About 70 people were there at the start, and by the time it ended, that number had dwindled to about 20.
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What theatre do u guys go to where no one laughs at The Break Up trailer? Is it God's gift of humor? No. But some of Vince Vaughn's rants are fucking hilarious. Aside from that the neighborhood my theatre is located is in a medium wealthy mostly white area. The theatre does most of its business off of family films, comedies, and your usual drama. So that the demographic that I see trailers with and everyone loves Break up, Nacho, X3 (there were some claps)But the two films I've seen Superman with the audience is quite quiet. One guy in front of us asked his buddy why Lois has a damn kid.
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the most recent and in the largest numbers had to be Silent Hill in my experience. A couple left during the 17 endings to ROTK one time. And I shit you not some guy in front of me left SHaun of the Dead because it wasn't funny.
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Fox hired him mainly because he promised to deliver the movie on time, within budget, and to copy the look and style of Singer as much as possible. It's the same reason why he was hired to direct Red Dragon. He's not a great, artistic director by any means, but he should get credit for being a very "professional" one. Let's be honest: He's a much, much better director than Paul "W.hat S.hit" Anderson or Michael Bay. (Imagine the movies these two guys have directed, and imagine if Ratner had directed them instead.) If there's any one big negative about Ratner, I'd say it's that he's a Hollywood yes-man. But that's also why he gets lots of work, compared to other high-profile directors who have bigger prima donna attitudes.
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"the constant gardner". but i was in my own home. and i didn't want to go sit in the yard. so i turned that crap off. it was a piece of crap artsy film billed as an action suspense movie. after an hour i realized i could care less what happened to rachel weisz's character.
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Ratner just coasts on Jackie Chan, and Singer was nearly laughed out of the biz for his laughable "Wolverine swing across the Statue of Liberty" action scene. (You know in the first X1 teaser, before the fanboys made him change it.) Ratner directing The Rock would put me to sleep, and he would cry on the set of Transformers. (He can't even deliver one Sentinel, much less an ENTIRE fleet of huge
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No offense, m'man, but those two movies you name-checked had a lot more problems than simply not being a lot like their comic book counterparts.
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got a link?
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No matter how bad it is, God damnit I'm getting my money's worth.
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When I went to go see it, right at the part when the barbed wire monster went to town on the cult members.... Pussies.
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I guess I'll add to this conversation as well. The only times I've ever seen anyone walk out of a movie were during 'Return of the King' and 'Sin City.' 'Sin City' because it was an elderly couple who must have somehow expected something different than the gorefest that it quickly became, and 'Return of the King' because several people became annoyed that the movie kept "tricking them" into thinking it was over and then finally just left in frustration.
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And he's a comic-book geek.
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It was packed and it being the holiday shopping season, I wanted to beat the traffic. I thought the scene where Aragorn becomes king was the finale, so I leave my dead center seat and I walked down near the exit and leaned against the wall. I cursed myself while waiting nearly twenty minutes for the ending. lol. Fantastic movie though.
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is the only film that I have seen people walk out of. Several when spud shits the bed, many when the baby dies, and a few more when Begbie glasses the bloke in the pub. Everyone who stayed LOVED it though!
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Cyclops is in the hospital, stark raving mad...having lost his mind.
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bring on a fourth movie. Have Professor X fake his own death and stay away trying to cure Cyclops. Then have the two of them reunite with the X-Men. Have the original team, Iceman, Angel, Beast, and Marvel Girl unite to fight the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants: Magneto, Toad, Pyro, Mystique, and the Blob. Hey, a fan can dream can't he?
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When the "Rat Patrol" part of that piece of crap began.
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was fucking hilarious. It was like the wave. People started to get up, the screen lit up, they sighed and sat back down. That was great. And, how could you not care about what happens to Rachel Weisz? A public prayer: Please let Spider-Man 3 be good at least. God, This is Gaius the Brave. Can you hear me? What's the big deal about walking out of a movie? I do it all the time. A movie gets 45 minutes of my time. If it can't earn the other hour by then, I've got better...well not better...other things...well, I'm leaving is the point.
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I've never walked out of any goddamed movie. Ever. And I saw Sky Captain twice in a row. And proud of it.
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Can anyone confirm that??? HOLY SHIT!!! I heard it was a Jackman sing-along after the credits. Cyclops dreamt this shit? All of it? or just x3? HARRY IS THIS TRUE??? Holy crap, Holy Crap, HOLY CRAP!!!
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Now I'm super excited lol, could masheen81 be a plant or is he/she just yankin' our chain? Guess we'll find out in a few weeks.
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The only "suprise" ending I've heard about involves Moira Mactaggie visiting some dude in a hospital bed who we don't see -- but we hear a voice, none other than Jean-Luc Picard's -- "Hello, Moira."
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When you write, "If a total comprehensive bastardization of Fantastic Four can make $150 million dollars, then they must be doing something right... Right?" the rest of your opinions become rather superfluous to me.. That's MY opinion Paralyser-P and I have a RIGHT to MY opinion-- just like you have a right to yours. But when you write something (as quoted directly above) that is so crazy-- don't expect NOT to be called out on it. And then telling me to "...fuck off, fuck you, get fucked, and go fuck yourself" and describing me as a"pushead" in a later post (again-- just because I disagreed with you) doesn't do ANYTHING to prove your opinions are valid or worthwhile. In fact, your subsequent childish attacks just PROVE me to be CORRECT about you. In my opinion, you are very, very sad indeed.
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You have to wait until the very end of the credits. Hospital scene. Cyke. Going nuts due to Jean screwing with his mind. Peace.
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I thumbed through the comic and kinda liked what I saw especially with the writers trying to be real about certain but there is almost no way short of HBO adapting the comic that any movie studio would have allowed Mr. Hyde graphically murdering people or Allan Quartermain (sp) being found in an opium den high as a kite. A point might be made about parts of it not being dumbed down quite so far but then you get called out by fans of huge time mindless action. I liked LXG (both the movie and the comic in their own ways) and I still can't wait to see X3. X3 may not be the best but at least it was not gang raped by the campy mind of Joel Schumacher.
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And get a real good sneak peak at how we are all a pawn in an attempt to dupe the masses. Could it be that a movie is getting so much negative hype that it in turn will provide a larger box office due to curiosity of the overall quality? The idea of Snakes of a Plane as a film wreaks of Sci-Fi channel fodder, a camp plot that is meant for afternoon filler. BUT by attaching a well respected name to the property and giving it internet hype and embracing the camp you have a money maker. On a side note, I am almost positive that this review is false. It really does just not sound like the characteristics of a press screening. That is the most unprofessional thing you could do in a position like that. Press screenings are meant for those who review to sit through the WHOLE movie and write an unbiased review. And from the sounds of this review people were not doing their job.
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r come to stop them!
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Haha, the bit about $150 million was tongue in cheek, you fool! My god, you still can't admit you misinterpreted me, and yet you have no argument against my assertion that if legions of "discriminating consumers" (your words, not mine) pay their hard earned money to see a film, to the point where it grosses that type of astronomical figure, then they've done their job to entertain. It's the fact that they take liberties with the 40+ year old mythos that's superfluous, not my opinions. In fact, I barely even expressed any opinions, just "superfluous" commentary on what I've seen. Again, to prove you didn't even read my original post in its entirety, just picked out one remark to attack with asinine vitriol, I said that I DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE X-MEN. Do I want to see better comic movies? YES. Do I want the masses to boycott the current ones until Hollywood quits making them altogether, and then we're left with the void we had after Batman & Robin? HELL NO! But apparently you hate comic book movies and you want them eradicated, so I don't know what else I can say...
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at the X3 trailer during MI3. I'll still go see it, but I'm not really sure what eo expect. As for walking out on movies I don't think I ever have. I still can't believe I sat through the entire turdfest that was Be Cool. Worst movie I have seen in recent years. I remember looking over to my bf hoping that he would see the pain in my face. I was also getting antsy during Silent Hill and its ending was lame. I think I've seen the most people walk out on Y Tu Mama Tambien. I counted 4 people leave during the first 3 minutes. It was great.
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Is the only movie I ever walked out of, and I saw it in a free preview when I was working at a movie theater. Both my date and I couldn't take any more, and left the theater hoping we wouldn't have to usher that particular movie later in the week.
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I fell asleep in Lost Highway. I was very, very drunk. After the X3 credits there's a Toyko Drift crossover with Lucas Black's character, apparently.
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Oh wait - yeah, I have walked out once. Or, more precisely, ran out in tears. I was three or four and my dad took me to see the Water Babies (I think). A big shark came and I got scared. Still don't know how it ended.
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Hey, "PP"!(I like that nickname for you... It's just CHILDISH enough!) For the last time, I did NOT misintrepret your original post or any thereafter. It's EASY to claim that your original comment was "tongue in cheek" now that you've been called out about its' inaccuracies. In short, you do NOT write CLEARLY. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between a large number of people being DUPED or CAJOLED into going to see a mediocre movie by agressive hype and relentless marketing versus those same people being ENTERTAINED. You're old enough (even though you don't act like it) to know you can FOOL almost anybody once (maybe even twice). It's highly doubtful that the folks who left the original FF movie dissatisfied will risk another "bad" experience from the sequel-- whether the second film is better or not. (Case in point: MI:3. Given the fact that Tom Cruise is currently one of the top box office draws-- it took him (2)"MI" movies to piss enough people off to lower the third film's initial gross... and sadly, MI: 3 is by far the best of them all.) As for your claim that I want all comic book movies eradicated-- you couldn't be more off base. QUIT putting words in MY mouth-- you are NOT smart enough to try to figure me out-- let alone to read "between the lines" that I am writing... So do yourself (and everyone else here) a favor and STOP. I also really wanted you to know how SORRY I am to make you wait at your computer for almost a FULL DAY before posting a rejoinder to your juvenile, profanity laced rantings. (THAT remark was "tongue in cheek", PP... in case I completely LOST you with that last sentence.) I know it's killing you that I refuse to wade around in your foul smelling, profanity filled mud-slinging pit. For that, I have one word for you: TOUGH.
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WOW oh WOW. That LAST post was AWEsome with the CAPITALS. There's No NEED to SHOUT dude. We HEAR ya. WE hear ya.
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to true. batman and robin's major issue was casting for me. i hated everyone in that movie. and elektra was a casting thing too. i just don't buy jennifer garnier as a bada$$ like elektra. what i mean is they would have been BETTER if they were at least true to the comic. and that's what i enjoy. the movies that are true to the source even if they aren't a direct adaptation.
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Most people are saying its Moira visiting someone in the hospital, and Patrick Stewart voice is heard..."Hello Moira". Thus leading some to believe it's setting up Proteus. Buuuut, what if the Scott scene ain't a joke? What if (I'm speculating) what if they are both real and was just stuck on seperate advance screening reels. What if, (Remember, I'm speculating, and I haven't seen them so I don't know how it plays out, but....) what if, Moira is actually visiting Scott, and Charles is by his bed, and then he awakes? I can only hope something like that happens. I called the sentinel in the danger before anyone here, maybe *crosses fingers* I'm right again. I seriously doubt it though. Oh yeah, theres a good chance a certain catchphrase of mine will return in full force in a few weeks, but I'm holding off. Theres still a chance, albeit small, that this will be good. *crosses fingers again* It won't be what any of us wanted, or what this property deserves, but still, what do you expect? This is FOX.
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Yah know - I'm digging on this a little more with the 7min thing finally under my belt. Except for the lameo and suckiet display of Callisto's powers (What the fuck? So she can run fast? When did that happen? And what does she do apart from running away and back again? Did she get him a sandwich or something?) Magneto and Pyro rocked that scene. The appeal of these two characters was perfectly calculated. As good, if not better, than the blackbird scene in X2 with Magneto saying, "What's you real name?". However, this film seems consigned to leaving me with a "what could have been" feeling. It'll still be well worth a watch though.
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Just felt like saying that. And if the movie does indeed suck, well let's just call that a preemptive strike.
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The capitalization HABIT comes from writing comic books scripts and television shows. We use a lots CAPS.
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We use LOTS of CAPS. :-)
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It's such an obscure, random story to choose to do a movie about that I can't believe any exec would pick THAT for the basis of their next plot-line, especially when they're so many other, more well-known stories to do like DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, MUTANT MASSACRE, et al. Honestly, who the Hell would want Proteus before Apocalypse?
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God, I wanna know exactly what happens. And honestly, I could deal with Xavier biting it, but soooo much stuff is linked to Cyc, it's just plain crazy to kill him off. But, having another "fake" death would tick some people off. Well, to those people, I say FUCK 'EM! And while we are at it... To those who think Wolverine is the best thing about X-men, and Halle Barry is a great actress, I say FUCK 'EM! And those who scream bloody murder for a certain trenchcoat wearin' card flingin' overrated excuse for a "cool" character.....*sigh* Cyclops is the heart and soul of this universe. Not Muttonchops, not Baldy, and most certainly not Gumbo. Nuff said. Nuff said.
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You are the one who came on here guns blazing, mate, not me. Can't you just take my word for it that my comment was tongue-in-cheek, instead of trying to invent connotations to maliciously smear me despite the fact I've never had cause or reason to read, nonetheless attack any of your previous posts? I promise as a former good boy scout on my orienteering badge that it was most certainly tongue-in-cheek. That's why I put a question mark after the comment, rather than a full stop; to denote i r o n y, if you have any idea what that is. Since you are the AICN compass of literary merit, I assume you do. I think this is one of those classic moments in AICN history where we actually agree on a point, but refuse to admit it. But anyway, since you can retroactively go back and tell me what the unwritten intent of my comment is at any time, whether I knew it at the time or not, I guess I can't win, can I? Since you can read minds, which four letter word am I calling you now? I don't really want to return to this talkback again, so I'll concede the point to you. You are a better chatroom editor, revisionist unwritten intent exposer, and liar than I am. And yet you still have no points to discredit my assertion that blockbuster grosses are resultant from positive word of mouth, not media bullying and deception. People are not so stupid that they don't realise a movie will never put "This is a piece of shit" on its poster. They use their common sense. That is why Fantastic Four is a hit, and Gigli and Bloodrayne are not. Show a little faith in humanity, for chrissakes. I understand, though. You're as mad at Marvel and FOX for what you perceive as a barely half-assed attempt to close out the trilogy we love as I am. But its only a film, bro. You'll always have your perfect fantasy versions of X-Men to cling to. The Claremont books will a l w a y s be there. A movie can't really rape your childhood, man. Kevin Smith was just being tongue-in-cheek. Ah, see? You're starting to catch on now! My little boy is all grows up. If it makes you feel any better; you're a good person, people like you, and I've even grown to like you. How about we just take a timeout and continue this debate after we've seen the film, okay?
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And Jean, Scott, and Chuck are all being held captive by Sinister. And Wolverine bangs Maddy in the med room, and it is revealed later on, that Cable is HIS son. And he has a twin sister named Sattelite. ;)
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Would they have been better? Possibly. I have a hard time seeing what it is about Elektra as a character that would've made the film very interesting. I think Bowman respected the character and revised it, and even though the movie still sucked, I'm not sure you can fault him for that. Characters undergo constant revision in the four-color universe as it is, and what's more, a lot of Elektra-centric comics either suck balls or would not work as movies (people always like to use 'Sin City' as a counterpoint, but just so's we get this out of the way, Rodriguez said he thought "Sin City" needed little revising on its way to the big screen because the dialogue and storytelling techniques practiced by Miller were inherently cinematic). Mimicking those stories isn't necessarily the best idea. I do agree that you almost always ought to treat the characters with respect, which is obviously something that 'Batman & Robin' failed to do. But I don't think that revision is bad nor do I think that it's something foreign to comics themselves.
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If you must see it wait for hbo. fan walk out on a bad movie is the only way to have them make better movies
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I suppose you also walk to work so gas prices will go down. If fans walk out, or decide not to go. They will just ditch the property all together and make a excuse that there is no interest in it to continue on.
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"I'd gotten a little bored"? "I got a little bored"? Sigh.
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And Leicester Square is pronouced 'Lester' and not 'Lie-chester'.
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What a piece of shit. It was the third time I watched it. But only the second time that I actually made it all the way through. Why do I keep trying to like this film? Why do I think it'll be good this time? Now, I like X1 just fine. I'd seena couple episodes of the cartoon, flicked through a couple comics... X1 was a surprise to me. I really enjoyed it. But what the Fuck is X2? It's boring. there's no story. The acting is fucking atrocious - 'sept Huge Assman. He's my hero. Sorry. At the movies I thought it was boring. On DVD I couldn't make it past the half way... and last night Every 10 minutes i was like "whatever". I'm looking forward to X3 though. why is that?
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About five people walked into the Sixth Sense late (their showing was across the hall). The theatre was packed, and they made their to the middle of a row to sit down. Less than 2 minutes later the twist was revealed. Oh, snap!
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Throw me a freakin bone here.... EVERYONE talks about X2 being perfectand entertaining. I remember the praise back when it first came out. I still see it to this day. EVERYONE come forth, admit the soul-less tripe that is X2 for what it is. TELL ME whats so fucking awesome and entertaining about this film? I enjoyed precisely 2 things - Mystiques body and Magneto's escape. Beyond that..... WHAT. A. PIECE. OF. POO.
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What about Nightcrawlers assault on the WH? That and Colossus and the two things you mentioned re the only things worth watching in X2. The movie itself is horrible.
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You're a X1 lover. X1 was a low budgeted, badly scored, badly written, attempt to launch the franchise. David "Solid Snake" Hayter along with the watching eye of Sing and the evil overlord Tom Rothman, raped two major characters. Cyclops (THE FUCKING HEART AND SOUL OF THIS PROPERTY) and Sabretooth (Who was reduced to mindless henchman.). Magneto's plan to turn all the humans into mutants is only a few notches above the shitty freeze machine from Batman and Robin. Honestly, X1 was good up untill Logan hit the hood of his truck. After that, horseshit. And that rushed exposition scene by Xavier was cringe worthy. X2 was light years better in virtually every aspect. Well, every aspect except for doing Cyc justice. The movie had depth, unlike the first. X2 captured the spirit of the comics. And I know you don't give a shit about the comics. But if you would just go back and read some of the major stuff between the late 70's to mid 90's you'd see what this franchise could have been, and how much X1 failed to capture that. And you'd also see how much closer the second film was to the comics. It wasn't a perfect translation, but it was definantly the best, next to Sin City. And it remains the only truly great Marvel film to be released.
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Worse sequel to date, surely X3 will be better.
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Worse sequel to date? C'mon now, I hear T3 totally puts out!......... Seriously though, there are hundreds of sequels worse than T3. You're going overboard just a bit.
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he is totally biased to this movie. i mean taking an english persons point of view that gets paid to se it. come on. everything ive seen so far kicks so much ass. i think the T3 vs. X3 comparrison is a good one. third enstallment and different director. i thought T3 kick so much ass and was totally ballsy at the end. there for i think X3 will have the same effect. better than the first maybe not the second but overall ballsy entertaining shit. fuck superman too. why is harry sucking supes dick so much too. not impressed on anything on that. i mean lois has a kid. lame....
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from what i heard, MANY people walked out of that movie. i can't stomach rape scenes, let alone ultra-realistic 5+ minutes of it.
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Now I know mistakes were made from the beginning - characterizations of Sabretooth, Storm (should have been Gina Torres), Iceman, etc. But the particular story Singer and co. chose to tell about the X-Men was good. The whole turning the city into mutants plan is certainly no sillier than the average X-Men comic plot, and those are always just macguffins for the real theme - difference. But the point at which the writers entered the story called for certain necessities. First, Jean and Scott's relationship with each other and Prof. X was set up as backstory, not the story itself. Like I always say, someday we'll get an X-Men movie or tv show that deals with the early days, but these movies are not that. But let's face it, Jean and Scott would be great as soap opera or weekly series, but their whole thing is kinda bland for a movie. The way that they are set up in Singer's film works. I believe they have history with each other and the Prof. Little scenes and interactions worked as great shorthand. The line that Xavier says about Cerebro and Magneto ('he helped me build it') was a fantastic way to establish an entire history and character relationship in one line. Essentially, the first film is about Wolverine and Rogue (and I know her character is controversial and certainly not the Rogue from the comics, but I think she works as the audience's way into mutancy) as outsiders trying to find a way to belong (and their scenes together are the best in the film, imo - really captures Wolvie's tendency to take care of the 'little sister' characters in the comics - especially loved the exchange: 'does it hurt?' 'every time' with the claws). Scott and Jean are the ultimate insiders, so it can't be their story. Storm is basically window dressing, although they did need a character that was more of a mentor to the younger students. Jean and Scott were a bit too removed and in their own worlds to truly connect with the students, so that onus fell on Storm. Frankly, that part could have been developed more and I wish they had created a Storm that was still in touch with her majesty and goddessness, but maybe that wouldn't have worked with the mentor role. So, even though some characterizations were given short shrift, I think with the broad strokes, the first film captured the spirit of the comics quite well. The reason why it did so well was because people could connect on a human level to these characters - they had depth far beyond what had been associated with comic films. X2? Well, that's a different story. If they had been able to go with the Sentinels story, that would have been amazing. What we got? Kind of a watered down version of 'God Loves Man Kills.' Some great stuff with Nightcrawler - though I wish we could have seen him lighten up and become the swashbuckler. Wish we had seen some more backstory of Deathstrike. Joss's ideas about an X2 would have been interesting, along the same lines as Jean getting too powerful, having it be all about everyone's powers getting out of control - Wolvie getting too feral, Jean going nuts, Rogue permanently absorbing someone's powers, etc. But I think these films are fine representations of the X-world, but they're certainly not the last word on filmic X-interpretations.
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yeah. upon really thinking about it who was it that said "dude, elektra should get her own movie! that would kick a$$!" cuz there's probably not a way to make her entertaining for a solid two hours much less marketable. And i DO NOT mind updating old ideas that would not work on screen. i do mind people trying to make a batman movie based more on the old tv show with adam west, than the dark nature of the comics. we don't need the aliens and the m'kran crystal in the X-movies to make a good phoenix story. we don't need juggernaut to be a magically powered supervillian. we don't even need an eyepatch on callisto. what the films need is to stay true to the comics. And what you said about sin city, not needing to be changed up much. i feel the same way about more recent x-men comics. whedon's astonishing x-men comics, have a cinematic feel to them and don't wander off needlessly to trample about in intergalactic wars, nor do they have that "villian of the week" feel. and most of the characters from ultimate x-men would translate well on to the screen. but when i said i wanted a movie that felt more like a comic, i really meant i'd just like to see a movie about x-men that has more action and plays up the team aspect. from what i've seen TLS seems to do both of those things better than X1 or 2 did. though X1 and 2 may have other aspects that help them outshine TLS, i'm glad to see them fighting...and fighting together.
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yeah, we all hate halle as storm. and yes think cyke should have been pulled in more (i can't tell you is marsden is right for the part or not after two films, cuz he has only had about 12 lines of dialouge). and rogue is definetly not the character we see in the comics now, or the cartoons, but i believe she could develop into that kind of character with time. But the #1 character singer effed up is none other than Iceman. From day one, and in all incarnations, has been a practical joker, a class clown. He's definetly not the serious "we're x-men" character depicted in the first two films and the clips we've seen from x3. Iceman is known for never taking life seriously. But in the movies he is more like the character cyclops would have been ten years ago. Iceman is supposed to be the x-men equivalent of johnny storm not reed richards.
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on a British chat show
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VkHws5keG-8
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"I Love You Too" aka the @qu@f@g episode of Entourage was on last night it was so eerily similar to this whole X3 debacle - selling out, industry buy offs, negative press until opening, etc. Perhaps someone should send some porn stars equipped with strap ons over to the AICN staff.
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people walked out of the film before it was over. And these people are going to be reviewing the film, without actually seeing all of it?
Yeah, that's good reporting there. More reason for people to believe reviews.
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does that mean he will in fact be playing young Mags in the rumored spinoff?
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I was in a theater of about 20 people for the beginning of "The Devil's Rejects". At the end of the film only 6 remained. I counted. I saw MI:3 last weekend. I seriously contemplated walking out. But if I did, I would have missed Tom Cruise beating up Philip Seymore Hoffman with his elbows.
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...is probable one of the greatest films I have ever seen. Like...I couldn't beleive how much I liked it. Im not even one of the people were pumped about it before it was release. I didnt even WANT to see it, and I was blown away. It is epic by ever definition of the word.
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...was in response to immortal_fish's comments...seriously...'artistic merit'...you werent moved?
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May 16, 2006 11:50:58 AM CDT
Cabin Boy, Chappelle's Block Party and Land of the Dead
by homer sexual
Most walked-out on flick ever for me is Cabin Boy, I swear at least 20 people walked out, really I think it was a lot more, but that was a screening. I went to Chappelle's Block Party at the Crenshaw Magic Johnson Theaters because a)it's nearby and b)I wanted to see it with a receptive crowd. I'd say a dozen people walked out, including my friend who came with me. I stayed to see the Fugees, but that one suuucked biiig time, surprisingly. And I walked out after spending 35 minutes in Land of the Dead, because it was so tediously cheap and horrid, but I really wanted to like it so I stayed as long as possible. BTW, I thought Cyclops was going to die, not be crazy. Does this mean Jean Grey is going to die in 2 out of 3 X-flicks. Yes, X3 looks cheap but fun.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7vcPbeZfoc
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Makes me wonder how they could take such a great design and make it look like something out of a made for TV movie. I have a great affinity for the X-Men comics (though currently I don't read them), so it is really disapointing that this movie is looking to be a real mess. I am not going to rant on and on about Ratner as there are few directors who could be thrown into a project of this scale on such short notice and create a good film. Though I will say that the seven minute had some of the worst editing I have seen in a major motion picture in quite some time, just watch the Angel running shot, it is laughably bad. I think that FOX dropped the ball big time. Damn them. Damn them all.
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Love that movie. "Good afternoon madam would you like to buy donkey? Donkeys are on sale today."
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believe it or not.....it was right at the rave scene, pretty early o_O
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I remember when I went to see Sin City many people started leaving during the Clive Owen segment.
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when Mags was bendin' Wolvie's claws on top of Lady Liberty, just how in the hell did they return to there original form? Don't say healing factor, because his bones would have broke and reformed in the the deformed state. Yep, if 'Ol Maggie wasn't so preoccupied with staightening them back to their original state, he would have noticed the three other X-men lookin' up at him.
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Since when were you just gonna hold out to see the flick before you make up your mind about it? You've been preaching the suckiness of it since Day Ratner.
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The only one he owned was probably an old Bartman comic stolen from the library. You know.. the issue with the first appearance of Bartdog? Okay.. so it's my story not Rat's.. but who cares? Certainly not him, about this movie.
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I remember walking out of "Harry and the Hendersons" years ago...then "Darkman" and recently "Sky Captain". There have been others too, but none in a long while.
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Was the bomb diggity. DON'T DENY IT!!! They fucked up, by not having a sequel with Harry being hired as the Seattle Supersonics mascot. ;)
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Colossus' transformation in the latest ad? It really does stick out.
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almost did during Titanic. I think it's even funnier though that people were walking out of the Grudge yelling "I should've seen Team America!" in my cinema.
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Ratner spoke to Entertainment Weekly about X3 and they asked a lot about Harry. Ratner seems pretty distraught and acts like Harry is now stabbing him in the back.
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If he wanted to be taken seriously he should have acted as such and not turn Hollywood into his private fuck-o-fest. There`s a reason why some people are respected and others are not. Don`t act like Paris Hilton and expect people to think of you as Meryl Streep. The Rat is not in it for the art but used his job for other things. Some people have smelled that coming a mile away.
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and the x-men movies are all about art. that's why singer signed for the first two. that's why the fox execs made the sequels. art.
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Although a shame about X3. . . I also don't find it any problem to walk-out of movies. I do it at least a couple times a year. Memorable walkouts for me were The Postman, Titanic, Gangs of New York, and Saw 2. In the future, I hope to walk-out on The Da Vinci Code and whatever movie Tom Cruise is next in.
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LMFAO! I just fell out of my chair reading that one! Something extremely precious about the words execs, sequels, and art in the same sentence...
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i don't know it reads like that. but i was being sarcastic.
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***SPOILERS***. Ye have been warned. :) Three X-Men bite the dust in this one: Xavier, Cyclops and Jean. Xavier dies in the battle at Jeans house. Jean kills Cyclops and Wolverine kills Jean at the very end.
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Wasn't Proteus the inspiration for Stryker's reality-warping kid in X2? (And is X3 really only 96 minutes? I want something epic for my eight bucks, dammit...)
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Stryker's son was an amalgam of Jason Wyngarde, aka Mastermind, and Xavier's son (who only existed for a few issues of the New Mutants in the 80's, I think) named Legion. Legion was a powerful mutant who's three separate mental abilities (telepathy, telekinesis and pyrokinesis) were manifested by his three sparate split personalities. I always thought that was a cool idea. He also had the one blue eye/one greeen eye thing going on. Also, slightly related: Stryker is also sort of based on the character of the same name from the X-Men graphic novel 'God Loves, Man Kills', from the early eighties (a lot of X2 was based on that story, actually) In that story, a young Stryker kills his infant son moments after his birth because he realizes the baby is a mutant.____brainfart concuded.
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Believe me, I know who gets killed. My question was, who comes back after the credits? Cyclops, Xavier, both? Or is it the Hugh Jackman song and dance number? I haven't got a definite answer yet. Oh and to have Wolverine kill Jean is fucking retarded.
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Sci Fi channel is hosting interviews with the cast and showing clips this Thursday I believe.
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why doesn't anyone try to get "last" instead of "first"? just wondering.
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Fuck off teddanson37!!
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