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UPDATED! I got a whale of a tale to tell ya', lads! New Line's going 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA!
Hey, squirts! Got an extra bit here for you guys from the mouth of Craig Titley himself on 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA! Enjoy!
Titley here.
20,000 Leagues; NOT UPDATED! Wrong, wrong, wrong,
It will be period set in the exact year (1867) of Verne's novel. I worship the novel and the Disney film and hope to do neither any disrespect! However, this is a re-adaptation NOT a remake. The idea is to go where previous film versions couldn't due to lack of technology, etc. and to finally put some of the novel's classic scenes that have never been filmed in any version onto the big screen for the first time. That and a few surprise along the way.
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. It looks like Jules Verne fans can look forward to a big screen treatment of one of his most famous stories, 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA. I'm actually a big fan of the Disney film, but I am looking forward to a more direct adaptation.
Craig Titley made the pitch to New Line and got Sam Raimi and Josh Donen's names attached via their Buckaroo production company... how many damn production companies does Sam Raimi have anyway? It doesn't look like Raimi's in any way said he wants to direct the flick, just produce.
Anyway, Titley's name has been attached to some weak shit (SCOOBY-DOO), but word through the grapevine is that Titley's original take on the 'toon was fantastic, not what we ended up with when the film changed studios.
Titley's version is "an updated version" of Verne's original story. Red flag there. Usually not a good idea. Let's hope updated doesn't mean year 2006, but just a more modern approach to the original material. Titley's version will also delve into Captain Nemo's background as well as that of his prisoners aboard the Nautilus. What do you folks think?
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Cool man......Disney's pic was Great.
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Jesus no, do NOT put this in the modern world. Pleasepleasepleaseplease!
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The more I think about it. Can we just get the Disney film re-released. That and it's indirect sequel Mysterious Island. But in the latter film we can replace Herbert Lom with a digital James Mason, with Eddie Izzard providing the voice.
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...you are apparently knocked unconscious and shoved into a burlap sack, which is then mailed third-class to Asia, where your idea will be improved upon (as all American innovations seem to have been by the East) and made into a film that very few of us will ever see...until Hollywood decides to give us a watered down remake of it. Seriously...this town is creatively bankrupt. This clinches it.
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screw this up. This is one of my all time favorite films. Kirk Douglas as Ned Land, and especially Masons Nemo can't be improved upon. Updating it sounds like a wretched idea. "Mobile in Mobilis"-Capt. Nemo
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but now this is really starting to suck. Enough with the remakes; they are killing the movie business and they are killing us.
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I was hoping they'd go ahead with a new adpatation of the Verne story. But kept in its original time period.
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It should be interesting in how they treat the character of Nemo, who is basically, a terrorist.
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Arrrr matey....keep it in the 19th century!!!!! And cast Michael Douglas!!!
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May 03, 2006 9:38:57 AM CDT
""an updated version" of Verne's original story" FUCK!
by performingmonkey
That doesn't sound too good. You get the feeling it's going to suck bad before the project has even got off the ground.
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Terrible idea, if it implies setting it in a modern age. The whole point of the Nautilus is that it's the work of a single genius. How many single geniuses today could create a supersub which couldn't be annihilated after about five minutes by the U.S.S. Dallas or the subs of any modern third-rate navy? I know it's fantasy, but it just works better in an age where the technological work of a single man could conceivably still wreak watery havoc on that scale. The closest thing to a modern version is The Hunt For Red October, where you have the American and Soviet navies scrambling to meet the possible threat of the world's most advanced submarine. Even then, the sub isn't the creation of a single man but of teams of Soviet scientists. No, this tale must remain in the steam age.
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The greatest submarine design EVER. James Mason IS Nemo. It have f*cking Peter Lorre in it, for chrissakes. And Kirk Douglas wasn't too bad, either! *** Anyone who hasn't picked this up on DVD yet, should, especially for the amazing documentary that comes with it.
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His stuff rocks, no matter how campy it is.
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Which is flat-out impossible.
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ENOUGH!
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great idea to tinker with the story a bit, of course Verne was a hack writer and the story is in obvious need of a little "Hollywood magic"....Christ this makes my stomach churn with the bitter bile of disappointment....
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Nuff said
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Nuffer said
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Some Indian dude building a kickass submarine to vie for world domination or whatever today, is much more interesting to me than a period piece. If only for the simple fact that it's possible. But also for the simple fact that the Verne story has been done before repeatedly. I don't think Verne would have thought doing the story as a period piece at this late date, when high science and global aims on the subcontinent are more topical, would make much sense either.
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Pirates of the carribean (1 and 2). Now I'd love to see a new 20,000, but with the giant squid in Pirates 2, I think a lot of League's steam will be stolen, even if it is the original source. "Updated" is a terrible terrible idea. It makes me think of a Nuclear Submarine. COuld you imagine a fantasy story told against the current political climate? Hunt for Red October, me thinks...
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Obviously in updating it you wouldn't make it entirely the work of one man scientifically anymore than actually constructing and crewing it was the work of one man in the original.
Personally I'd put it about fifteen years in the future. -
and I say go for it. The Disney version was always cool. Just don't blow it, but they probably will.
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The problem is, I just can't see the element of exotic adventure or the unknown in such a version, you know? I love sub movies. I'm all for sonar pings and high tech, sweat-dripping, undersea torpedo duels, but it just doesn't seem like something that belongs in the Verne story.
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He seems to be obsessed with directed movies about water.
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Seriously all it does is make me want to get up and take a leak. Oh wait, now I get it. If you have to get up to take a leak, presumably that will increase your likelihood of coming back to see the film again in the theatre. Pretty tricky, Hollywood.
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A modern day story could include a lot of bizarre modern day stuff that isn't Clancyesque. What if the Tamil Tigers built the Nautilus, or something? India (in that case Sri Lanka) is a fascinating place. Today. Exploring how the bizarreness could intertwine with the high tech that's booming there could be interesting. Topical, yet different. Absolutely a Clancyesque Nautilus would suck and thanks for underscoring that.
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So *that's* what happens to the original screenplays! I've been contemplating the enigma of their absence for years. Anyway, I've always loved submarine movies. I watched Hunt for Red October about three thousand times when I was a wee lad, and enjoyed Crimson Tide et. al. immensely. I read the 20,000 Leagues novel and there's potential for another good film there, even though I'd rather just leave it alone. Of course, they could fuck it up like The Time Machine. In my opinion, if ever there was a missed opportunity for a decent remake with more elaboration on material from the olde tyme original novel that was it. I'm thinking specifically of what happened before and after the Eloi/Morlock Age, but also during.
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Needless, needless, needless. Consider the fact that the book is little more than a travelogue, and you'll realise that they're just going to remake the Disney classic. Yeah, New Line...just tear out my still beating heart from my chest and piss on it, why dontchya ????
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Peter Jackson did a great job on King Kong. I think he would have been an excellent canidate to direct this movie.
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Time Machine could of been a great movie. The old movie version of the Time Machine is leaps and bounds better than the Guy Pierce shitfest. So much potential down the drain. Kind of reminded me of A Sound of Thunder, which was a amazing short story turned into one of the worst movies I have ever seen...seriously. Anyway, as I lift my glass to my fellow nerds, let's hope they make a good one with this "updated" version. Remember the old Disney ride at the theme park? Used to freak me out as a kid; awesome ride. That being said, the Haunted Mansion kicks ass.
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Why another adaptation/remake? Cause of technology? NO! Wrong! I just saw an updated version with new effects on Sci-fi channel or something like a month ago. We don't need 11 versions of this story, we need new original stories! Come on Hollywood! Oh and I suppose it'll be in 3D cause that's what we need to "save cinema". Fuckin heads up your asses.
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before starting on his quest for Seagalology? ;-) Anyway, fuck all this shit. An updated version would be shit, going back and remaking the original over again would be shit (see Poseidon and Omen). In short, make something that is vaguely original and I might pay to see it.
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Ok, so he's making a film from the same source material, so doesn't that mean it's being "remade" into a film? Sounds like someone's bought into the marketing speak...
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The whole point of 20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA and the Nautilus itself is that Jules Verne visualized a submarine before they even existed. Now that nuclear powered super-subs are crawling the high seas, what's the point of an update? None. Therefore, this adaptation only works as a period flick.
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Oh, wait no. That was just a bigfoot.
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are an underutilized genre. I'll pay to see 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea, but I'd rather see a new, original movie about futuristic subs.
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I loved that part in the book where they went to Atlantis. We need more movies about Atlantis, cause I just love that myth.
Hope they keep that part in. I don't know if that'll take the story forward in anyway. And it mind remind people of "Waterworld" - so it'll probably have to go. -
Marked by a series of inexplicable events...
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It's not clear if Nemo was Indian or not, I've heard it both ways, but I think Naveen Andrews would be exceptional in the role, although he might not be old enough.
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Yes, not Indian by ethnic background, but like us moviegoers can tell the difference.
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there's no mention of Captain Nemo as being Indian. In the beginning when Nemo is introduced, Jules Verne uses some observational purple prose to describe the captain in general terms, but did not elude to Nemo's racial or ethnic origin. As a result, you can pretty much cast anybody with any kind of strong screen presence in the part.
Still, this book has been adapted Nth number of times for the big and small screen. Leave this for the Hallmark Hall of Fame made for TV guys.
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May 03, 2006 4:20:17 PM CDT
How many single geniuses today could create a supersub?
by godoffireinhell
James Cameron.
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First comes that new Pirates movie with Captain Crustacion and his pet "Squirmy", then comes that giant glow-in-the-dark sixty foot jaws called Meg done by that shitty guy who brought us Angelina Jolie punching a shark and some shitty movie about the green goblin hijacking a cruise ship. Now we get some mad submariner guy facing a giant squid for the third or fourth time. I'm kinda getting (sea)sick with hollywood. Bastards.
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What does it take for a company like New Line to "snap up" your pitch? Is saying something like "ok, my idea is this... hold on to your seats folks... let's re-adapt book X, but we'll do all the classic scenes that were left out last time, and we'll use CG for the effects" all you need to do? Maybe bring in a some concept art and talk with passion? Maybe point out the market possibilities? The merchandising options? The target demographic and how it's now skewing toward loving whatever the genre is you're adapting? I guess what I'm asking is, can't just anyone pitch this kind of thing? No offense to Titley, but couldn't Sam Raimi have thought this up on his own? Or was Titley simply the first person to call dibs on it within earshot of New Line? Seriously. Inquiring minds want to know. Because I've got a GREAT pitch for an update/re-adapted version of "The Egyptian".
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But Verne never actually mentions it until Mysterious Island.
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He was too, Verne saw the future; atomic energy (and submarines), a moon mission, genetic augmentation, under sea tunnels. Who couldn
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They have those GIGANTIC pieces of a statue of Poseidon all strewn about across from this insanely good restaurant called Mythos. With the Age of Empires like music playing, the also gigantic temple that houses the Poseidon's fury show, flames coming out of giant urns, water flowing over the ruins, you really do feel as though you've entered another world, more than any other part of a theme park I've been to. Same goes for the details ON LINE in the castle before getting on Dueling Dragons. Just the details at IOA really get you... truly amazing place.
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Now, THAT I'd like to see!
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Who needs a CGI squid?
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twenty thousand leauges was the first real book I ever read. I also loved the movie but i do have a question about when vern set the stories.
mysterous island the sequle to twenty thousand takes place during the cival war. Nemo's crew is dead, he is an old man and the natulis is trapped.
yet in twenty thousand leauges Ned land and company is chasing down the monster aboard the Abraham Lincoln. why would the navy name a war ship after a railroad lawyer since twenty thousand leauges take place before the cival war. Can some one explain this? -
Boy is that thing catchy.
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Some background info on Nemo: in Verne's original conception, he was Polish, fighting against Russia. Because of the political situation in France at the time, his publisher asked him to change it. Rather than change Nemo's background, he decided to leave it out of the story altogether.
When he came to write The Mysterious Island 5 years later, he had reformulated the character as an Indian prince fighting the British empire.
The dates given in the two novels are completely incompatible. I think this was Verne's idea of a joke: it's too blatant to be just an oversight. 20,000 Leagues takes place in 1866-1868. The Mysterious Island takes place in 1865-1868. Yet the Nemo in the later book describes the visit of Aronnax and friends as having taken place 16 years earlier.
But the dates in Mysterious Island don't make any sense on their own. Nemo fled India after the Sepoy rebellion in 1857, but he (in 1868) refers to having sailed the Nautilus for 30 years.
At one point, Verne includes a footnote that says there are reasons for the confusion about the dates; for more information, the reader is directed to a later chapter. But the later footnote only refers the reader back to the first one. (That's another reason for thinking the dates are an elaborate joke, serving only to emphasize the fictionality of the whole thing.)
Regarding Disney's film: in my opinion it WOULD have been a masterpiece if he'd left out the cigar-eating seal. (On the other hand, Verne's publisher tried to talk him into including a young Chinese boy for "comic relief." Verne refused, thank heavens.)
One last point: there are many editions of the book in print, and most reprint a terrible (inaccurate and heavily abridged) translation from the early days. Bantam and Signet both have good, complete translations and are generally available. Oxford has a good one too, but I haven't seen it around recently. There's also an outstanding translation by F.P Walter available at Gutenberg and various other places on the web.
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