April 26, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST
April 26, 2006, 9:53 p.m. CST
Is Johnny Drama in it?
Looks pretty interesting to me.
I'm in. 13th warrior had it's moments though that geek warning is a cause for concern.
April 26, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST
by Barry Egan
Let's face it, a film of this type isn't in dire need of an excellent screenplay. How many of the films from Arnold Schwarzenegger's heyday that we all cherish had good screenplays?
April 26, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST
They barely let you hear actual speaking from the film, and any you hear isn't all that impresive, so I have a feeling this movie would be better as a silent film with Ingines fighting Berzerkers.
April 26, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST
What's not to like?
April 26, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST
a pure 80's style actionfest. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. These kinds of films definitely suit Karl Urban and I have no doubt that he will create a following if he continues in this direction. Hell, his next film, Outlander, is also set in Viking times with him starring as an intergalactic bounty hunter tracking down an alien creature that is slaughtering Vikings. Tell me that doesn't sound like an old school Arnold flick?
April 26, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST
Pathfinder, directed by Nils Gaup, 1987. I'm sure this will be worse.... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093668/
April 26, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST
Wosh. COMING TO A VIDEO STORE NEAR YOU.
April 26, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST
by Vim Fuego
Now that's good eating!
April 26, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST
BTW, this moobie looks sheyat.
April 26, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST
Someone call the Vern Hot Line, now!
April 26, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST
And it looks like he's playing a Viking Chieftain or something. What... did all you Talkbackers grow up on his Krusty Krabs routine? Well, back in my day.... *waves cane*
April 26, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST
Think about it... Olaf the stout! A chubby viking! Fuck Resident evil 3 Mike Epps is in it...Does anyone see why videogame movies suck?!?!
April 26, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST
Did I hear marching band drums at the end? Oh and this movie looks drop dead awful, all the shots look the same.
April 26, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST
If wrong no big deal but I thought this was about an "Predator-like-Alien" that crashes on earth and Urban the Viking must fight it. I know I saw that here and on a few other sites as I am used alot in period pieces and tried to get cast in this. This itself could be good but as a geek I wanted to see a 13th Warrior/Predator combo. Urban would have been great. Maybe they leaked the premise to throw others off their Indian vs. Viking story? Eh.... whatever! LOST is about to start. No coverage this week? It's a new one!
April 26, 2006, 10:45 p.m. CST
"Pathfinder"! Man, what was with that title at the end of the trailer? All techno and 3-D for absolutely no reason. Why do Native Americans in movies always have incredible fighting skills? It's a mystery to me. Oh well. Karl Urban's pretty cool, and the vikings have a cool look to them. I just wish they were more than the soul-less killers the movie seems to be making them out to be.
April 26, 2006, 10:45 p.m. CST
...than any recent US genre film.
April 26, 2006, 10:48 p.m. CST
by Joseph Merrick
You're thinking of OUTLANDER, Urban's *next* movie. Also an SUV title...Mitsubishi this time.
April 26, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST
visit the infirmary.
April 26, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST
...wake me when this movie tanks and we get it on DVD within two days of its release. Vikings as generic bad guys against the "peace loving" indians looks to have about as much pizazz and appeal as Disney's "Pocahontas."
April 26, 2006, 10:58 p.m. CST
...that a viking would take a child on a raiding party is about as likely as a US soldier taking his kid to a tour of Iraq.
April 26, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST
by Randall Flagg
To me, it looks like A Light In The Forest meets King Arthur divided by that crap my girlfriend uses to fertilize our side yard.
April 26, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST
This could work if it develops a little bit of Ravenous style madbastardry. Karl Urban is from Aotearoa - so that's, uh, good in the hood. Is Pathfinder just another Galamoov? And I finally saw Night Watch the other day. Wasn't expecting much before it. Didn't get much from it. Much jerkery as far as I'm concerned. Little coherency and/or excitement. Lots a bullshit.
I still think this one looks like a lot of fun
April 26, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST
And it is a dumb fuckin' action piece of shit that rapes history. Great job, fucktards. I think the Natives and the Vikings had a handful of battles that led to a few dozen dead.
April 26, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST
Rapes history? Woooo. Was someone's dad killled in these Native/Viking skirmishes perhaps? C'mon - dumb fuckin' action has it's place.
April 26, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST
by Media Fiend
do worse than he did on the TCM remake could he?
April 27, 2006, 12:12 a.m. CST
but you cannot deny it was visually stunning, one of the most beautifully filmed horror films in recent years. Now add my raging Viking fetish and I can promise I'll be all over this movie!
April 27, 2006, 12:56 a.m. CST
And that's reeeeeeal...
April 27, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST
by Zombie Carnifex
Great! Now we have a sub-genre! Add this to the 1978 Lee Majors epic The Norseman. I smell a double feature at my house!
April 27, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST
That's what I was reminded about with the little white boy being left with the Indians for some odd reason but then the trailer just ended up looking like a B movie, regardless should be pointless fun.
April 27, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST
I love the idea of a viking who's left behind. At first I thought it was a remake or reimaging of the 1987 film by Nils Gaup named Pathfinder (Ofelas), but it isn't. The ones who haven't seen Ofelas should check it out. It's truly amazing. Looking forward to seeing this new "Pathfinder" even though I don't really like Karl Urban. He lacks charisma... and acting skills. But maybe he can prove me wrong. This looks promising.
April 27, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST
It has a made for TV vibe to it. Doesn't look bad but it doesn't look like anything special either.
April 27, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST
I was dumbfounded when I saw that last Friday, people around me were snickering, I even managed a couple laughs. Nobody is going to see it. Movies like this get made because . . .
April 27, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST
Ya know, whoever has the job of cutting movie trailers together must be in small company. A cut for a movie like this needs to convey to the audience that they NEED TO SEE THIS DAMN MOVIE, like their very lives of their children depend on it. But then, Fox must have a specific stable of cutters who just say, "Shit man, let's not get original, let's just fucking copy about 5 other movies that came before this one and that did better at the box office than this one will." YEAH, good idea. Build off of the Mohican/Conan/Braveheart/13th War./New World films that have already been released. Cause that would make much more sense than going the route of being ORIGINAL. I am starting to get tired of reheated leftovers, I thought I would be done with that crap when I moved away from home.
April 27, 2006, 3 a.m. CST
It looks like I'll finally be getting a Conan the Barbarian movie. Oh, and I think we all know who should play Thor, now...
April 27, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST
...it certainly looks like it could be a couple of hours of brainless fun even if that trailer was hideously edited. People rag on The 13th Warrior (a criminally underrated flick), but it's still one of the most accurate depictions of vikings and viking life in a non-Scandinavian film. Sure, horned helmets are cool, but vikings never wore them in real life despite the popular image in our culture. They also didn't wander around in Kurgan armor with skull masks and Hyborian swords. None of this implies that it won't be a fun no-brainer, but let's not kid ourselves that this has anything but a passing resemblance to any historical authenticity.
April 27, 2006, 3:31 a.m. CST
I'll do what I can bud. I will watch this movie. Here is the thing though. On the one hand, it's a dude fighting vikings. How do you fuck that up? On the other hand, it's directed by Marcus Nispel, who arguably should've been deported after remaking Texas Chain Saw. I mean, I am all for immigration, we are a land of immigrants, but that doesn't give that fucker the right to come to our soil and desecrate our cultural landmarks. In fact, I think Merrick needs to rewrite that GEEK WARNING. I mean how the fuck does a sane individual include "the asshole who pissed all over The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" as a fucking PLUS? There must be some mistake. This is an outrage. At any rate, the opening narration is hilarious, it could be fun.
April 27, 2006, 3:33 a.m. CST
by Shropshire Slash
Didn't the "Six Million Dollar Man" make this film in the 70's with Cornel Wilde
April 27, 2006, 3:38 a.m. CST
You eat when we say you eat. You shit when we say you shit. You piss when we say you piss. You got that, you maggot dick motherfucker? Clancey Brown had all the best lines in that film!
April 27, 2006, 3:41 a.m. CST
April 27, 2006, 3:56 a.m. CST
Because I find meaning in life by sitting around and waiting for somebody else to create something so I can shit all over it. Here comes my ten bucks. SCREAM IT OUT!!!
April 27, 2006, 3:57 a.m. CST
by The Outlander
This trailer looks like mix of Conan, Last of the Mohicans, Excalibur, Lord of The Rings & The Thirteenth Warrior. All of which are in my DVD collection. I'll check it out but it needs a better title if it is going to attract an audiance. And I thought The Thirteenth Warrior was a bad title.
April 27, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST
once again, the norsemen are depicted as savage brutes, and not as the sophisticated seafarers, traders and spreaders of culture that they were. not that it really bothers me, 'cause those costumes and swords looked awesome. and btw, I definetely remember reading somewhere that the young sons of viking chieftains would come along on voyages. part of the education, see. so no, it's not comparable to bringing a kid to iraq - different times, different cultures. and finally: this IS a remake of the norwegian film pathfinder/veiviseren, which was nominated for an oscar (best foreign) in yonder days. they just changed the geography and races and stuff. happens all the time. NORWEGIAN PRIDE!
April 27, 2006, 4:11 a.m. CST
Hmmm... I don't recall Aigin being a son of the Tjuders in Veiviseren or that he had been raised to fulfill a prophecy of sorts. The only similarities between these two films seem to be the name and a tenuous Norse link. Veivisaren is also about Samis and not vikings, although the "native people versus invaders" motif is essentially the same.
April 27, 2006, 4:13 a.m. CST
SCREAM IT OUT!!!
April 27, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST
fair enough. but even though the plot and setting has changed, it's still a remake. fox bought the rights to remake the norwegian film and this is the result. they said so in the first press release. as usual a lot of stuff has been americanized, but that's nothing new. when nolan remade insomnia they relocated it from northern norway to alaska (or was it canada?), which of course makes sense, and made it less nihilistic and ambigious (because that's what the yankees like, right?) still a remake.
April 27, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST
especially compared to the Portugese and Spanish. Let's see how many died in Indian-Norse incursions? 100? 300? How many died as a result of Porugese/Spanish raids and colonization? 100? 300? oh wait MILLIONS! SWEDISH BALLS!
April 27, 2006, 4:30 a.m. CST
From what I can see in the trailer, it really doesn't have much in common with Gaup's film. In his film you had beautiful winder landscapes and a younger guy who was basically by himself against those thugs. In this new movie Karl Urban seems to fight together with the natives against the vikings. The only thing that resembled the -87 movie was the title...
April 27, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST
I'm sold. Looks cool and if it's as fun as 13th Warrior, I'm in line.
April 27, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?nid=17032 - "In theory, Pathfinder is a remake" I guess we're both kinda right.
April 27, 2006, 4:36 a.m. CST
There's a great Norwegian R2 double disc DVD available. As far as I can tell, that's the best version out there.
April 27, 2006, 4:48 a.m. CST
by darth jobu
John McTiernan did a good job with 13th Warrior. I think it would have done better more as a documentary-style drama, with maps of the Volga or Swedish coastline flashing by as they travel, etc. It needed more geography and regional culture. No-one can touch Milius' Conan. The only thing this has in common is a boy grows up to use a sword. This trailer looks like Diehard crossed with Dances with Wolves, blended with Highlander, then dressed in Last of the Mohicans. To much hybrid bullshit. It'll tank. I will catch it on DVD. And yes, silly title. Again, Vikings didnt have horns on their helmets, pointing up or down.
April 27, 2006, 4:57 a.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
Apparently ancient America was blue. Very blue...with maybe a little grey tossed in for good measure. Also, why did it look like everything was filmed on a soundstage the size of my garage? The director and the DP or both, also must have come from the MTV arena with the lame fast/slow/zoom in shots. For God's sake, I thought after PJ made LOTR a critical and financial success, that we would start getting some kick-ass fantasy flicks. I was wrong!
April 27, 2006, 5:33 a.m. CST
historically accurate or not, who gives a shit. do you really think james earl jones turned into a snake back in ancient sumeria? of course not, but conan still rules ass after all these years. not, i'm not saying this is comparable to conan in terms of quality, as it will more often that not be possibly even sub-par. however, like vern said, how do you fuck up a viking movie? jesus tittyfucking christ. vikings raising hell? over the top swordplay? clancy 'kurgan' brown? for better or worse, i'm so fucking there.
April 27, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST
Id have set this in 10-15 000 bc. Where genetics says there was some caucasians mingling with asians. Plus the incredible fauna at the time would make an awesome backdrop (yeah I know about the project by that little ID4 german director but this would be better). Big badass salutrian caucasian barbarians wielding huge stone axes vs very asian looking natives. All set to the backdrop of a 2 mile high ice cliff and sabertooth lions, giant sloths and beavers and of course mastodons...
April 27, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST
"ancient sumeria"? Dude, Conan is pure fantasy. The Pathfinder is trying to anchor itself in some kind of historical reality. I personally think it would have been more enjoyable if they removed all references to North America, Vikings and Native Americans and just billed it as a sword & sorcery flick. From appearances, nobody would be able to tell the difference. As it is, it might be quite enjoyable as a post-pubber DVD.
April 27, 2006, 6:50 a.m. CST
Sorry, Entourage flashback.
April 27, 2006, 7:41 a.m. CST
I'd pay to see that! Somehow I'm quite sure Ze Emmerich will fuck up his stone age flick. I want a film with mammoths, giant sloths and sabretooth tigers that isn't a Sci-Fi Channel movie of the week or a lame PG-13 wannabe "blockbuster". Bring on some Stone Age CARNAGE. That time wasn't PG-13. It was harsh. The Middle Ages were like a gay cushion fight in comparison. Now reflect that in some flicks. Get Verhoeven or someone crazy like that to direct!
April 27, 2006, 8:01 a.m. CST
by future help
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April 27, 2006, 8:20 a.m. CST
Pathfinder makes Night Watch look like an effing masterpiece. BTW, Ralf Moeller's also in it. That's Maximus' dumb friend from Gladiator.
April 27, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST
or maybe not, some parts looked good, some cheap as hell (shield sleigh ride), others just looked meh, it might be good for a matinee though.
April 27, 2006, 8:50 a.m. CST
On Leif Eriksson's travels he had encounters with the Natives, calling them rather offensively, Skraelings. Looks to like this is a take of that. Shame it's doesn't look like it's going to delve a little deeper into the interesting history behind the Vikings beating Columbus et al to America. Always been interested in that part of history, esp. the Beothuk of Newfoundland..and the Viking settlement at L'Anse Aux Meadows. Well done Hollywood if this is all the film has to offer..and yes, go take a look at the original, a far better film by the looks of it.
April 27, 2006, 9 a.m. CST
With the hair, swords and then that 'sleigh ride'... it's WILLOW! Your brain is uneasy as no 'liitle people' were shown. Case solved.
April 27, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST
how carless is it to A) Take a kid on a raid to kill Indians. B) Leave him there?!? Band parenting all round...
April 27, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST
Can anyone explain this to me? Vikings didn't use cavalry. This is part of the reason that William the Conquerer kicked Harold's ass. Also, Karl Urban is a terrible actor and I'm ashamed he comes from my country. Forgive us! We also gave you Hugo Weaving, Guy Pearce and Naomie Watts!
April 27, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST
When will AICN install an "edit" button?
April 27, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST
Karl Urban has face warts. FACE WARTS!!! Seriously though, I'll watch this just cos big sword fights + Clancy Brown = can't go wrong.
April 27, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST
Looks like it has potential... but only potential. That is, I see a couple areas that, if neglected, will absolutely suck. First, the whole "prophecy" bit. Audiences (and readers) don't buy it... especially if it's stretched out into a bigger film theam. My other big concern is this looks like it has PG13 written all over it - and with a theme as primal as Vikings vs Natives, audiences everywhere are going to expect blood, gore, and severed limbs a-plenty. A shitty script (the prophesy is fullfilled, durr) + PG13 = box office DEATH. On the other hand, why aren't we hearing more about Sturla Gunnarsson's wonderful "Beowulf and Grendel?" The trailer on the official website looks fucking awesome (www.beowulfandgrendel.com) - unless, of course, it gets censored up before it's US release.
April 27, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST
by Atticus Finch
Isn't that line lifted pretty much word for word from Braveheart? Sorry if already mentioned...I can't read the TB.
April 27, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST
OH my god...that was hillarious. Nice fake sled background. "There can be only one....I mean...wait...uh..They can take our land but they'll never take our free, uhm.. Shit..what was my line?" The only thing that remotely interests me is that Clancy Brown might be all decked out looking all Kurgan. But even that can only motivate me so far.
April 27, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST
Would you like some making fuck, Berserker! What? It's releveant. Just. ;-)
April 27, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST
Directed on a Finnish shoestring by Nils Gaup in 1987. No it's not on DVD, so you can't actually. Too bad, so sad. But it was pretty intense for an arthouse flick of the period. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093668/
April 27, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST
by Shaner Jedi
Great, another movie about the eeevvviiilll white man.
April 27, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST
I always think that it would help the authenticity if they used the actual languages and used subtitles. Or how about doing this without language altogether?
April 27, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST
It may be a movie about the "Evil White Man," but it's also yet another movie where a white man important into a different culture becomes, by default, the greatest exemplar of that culture that ever lived in prowess and convictions. See also Tarzan, Last of the Mohicans (He's white), Last Samurai, Dances With Wolves, and so many other movies I can't even recall them. So the anti-white-culture villification is balanced out by the reassurance that any given white guy, given between six months samurai training or a lifetime eating acorns, can do what the entire rest of the tribe could not.
April 27, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST
There was no hot'n'heavy, sweaty, gyrating buttocks man-sex in it! Not even a single scene of Alex tonguing down Hephaistion! WTF? People say it failed at the box office because of "teh ghey" but actually I think it wasn't remotely homosexual (or bisexual if you will) enough. Maybe the two dreamy man-hugs alienated a few teenies but every competitive sport has more hugs and ass-slapping than ALEXANDER would have ever dared to show. For shame. I still liked it, though. A whole lot.
April 27, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST
And where the hell is Clancy Brown? The Vikings looked pretty badass.
April 27, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST
A good idea for a movie, up until the stupid crap about leaving a boy behind who then becomes the ultimate tough guy warrior. Could have been great but seems to much like a Braveheart rip off, it even has some of the same lines "run and you will live, stay and you will die", and the famous shot of a sword hitting the ground with a little wobble. Not sure about casting Karl Urban in the lead role either, he's not Viking enough (hair too dark for a start). Shame, I was hoping for something quality but it seems very PG13 if the trailer is anything to go by, and I wish film makers would quit with the FUCKING SLO-MO!!!!!!! Full speed sword fights are awesome, deadly and sometimes even believable, but all this slo-mo ruins the danger. Leave slo-mo to the people that know how to use it best, like Hong Kong and Thai movies. Laters.
April 27, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST
The first Pathfinder wasnt Finnish, it was Norwegian! I know I'm nitpicking, but norwegian movies dont get a lot of press or praise internationally, so it means a lot to me to keep the facts straight on this one.
April 27, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST
Hey! The original movie was Lappish, right?
April 27, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST
...it IS on DVD -- in Norway (a great 2-disc set) and Germany, which is great unless you don't understand Sami and can't read Norwegian or German subtitles. It's a favorite of mine. I actually have the original movie poster framed, even if it is the Swedish and not the Norwegian one.
April 27, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST
...that Beowulf & Grendel trailer. It looks fantastic. It's ironic that a movie based on what's essentially an epic fairy tale looks much more believable and historically accurate than that blue-tinged, slo-mo cine-fuck supposedly based in an historical setting.
April 27, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST
Native Americans vs Vikings vs Pirates vs Ninjas. I'd watch it. Someone already mentioned, this is an excellent little film from about 20 years ago filmed in Lappland about a boy who sees his family slaughtered by a tribe of barbarians and takes them out. Obscure but cool.
April 27, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST
the language was lappish, yes, but lapland isn't a country, it's a region covering the northern parts of norway, sweden and finland (and russia, though im not sure about that one). still, veiviseren is cited as a norwegian film on imdb, norway was the country nominated for the oscar, and most of the cast and crew were norwegians, including the director and producer and main star (mikkel gaup, the director's son). so it is a norwegian film in lappish.
April 27, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST
That incredibly annoying "making of PATHFINDER" thing is playing at AMC cinemas
April 27, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST
Also, the languages spoken by the Samis in the different countries are different. There isn't one single Sami language. Thus, the language spoken in Veivisaren is NORWEGIAN Sami.
April 27, 2006, 2:24 p.m. CST
...so by all means, seek out the original, it's out there: http://www.dvdhuset.no/filmer/veiviseren_2_disc_l.jpg Gaup, incidentally, is working on another, similar film due out in a year or two.
April 27, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST
i wasn't aware of that.
April 27, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
I mean that last shot was a direct and blatant rip-off of the last shot of the Bravehart trailer. And some of the dialog was near word for word. Other than that, it doesn't look like this film is worthy of washing William Wallaces dirty underwear. Oh wait, he wore a kilt and went commando...never mind.
April 27, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST
April 27, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST
and got to attend recording session with him in which he declared, between takes, that, and I quote, "You know, Pam Grier drinks her own piss." To this day I have been mystified by his ominous words. Jackie Brown!
April 27, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST
Thanks, man. You just ruined Coffy for me for the rest of my life.
April 27, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST
Come on, you know you saw it coming. Anywho, I watch too many Bugs Bunny cartoons.
April 27, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST
by JimmyJoe RedSky
were there horses in north america 1000 yrs ago - and if the vikings brought their swith them - where did they fit in their longships - this movie does look cool though - based on the trailer - very "frazetta"
April 27, 2006, 5 p.m. CST
I saw it in the theatre in it's original limited art-house stateside run. As it concerns Lapps (in plot if not, as I now seem to recall, in casting), I thought: Finland. Yeah it was a very nicely put together flick. One of two movies I went to see with a certain young lady. The other being "Fire Walk With Me," she sort of lost interest. She's not a shallow girl but just didn't quite seem to need that in her life.
April 27, 2006, 5:17 p.m. CST
...In 982 the Icelandic Althing decreed that henceforth no further horses could be imported to Iceland. The ones that were there, obviously, were transported by longship. As to where they went... The middle. Nobody said being a viking or a viking horse was easy. But remember that longships were, well, long. What you usually see photos of are knarr-sized replicas I guess. The longest longship found, the Roskilde, was 115 feet long. 75 and down would be more common; in any case, while lacking multiple decks, the ships were comparable in length to those of Columbus' time. Room enough for horses.
April 27, 2006, 8:47 p.m. CST
by zikade zarathos
TEXAS remake was pure shite.
April 27, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST
by Buck Turgidson
I kept thinking this was going to be one of those "turn off your cell phone" ads they show before movies.
April 28, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST
and is big on visuals but always over the top and cold with drama. Still has that music video "match the tear sheets" approach. This will miss the mark-us:-))))
April 28, 2006, 3:34 a.m. CST
Sometimes I wish everyone in Hollywood would just commit collective suicide.
April 28, 2006, 6:17 a.m. CST
Oh my god, this looks horrible. The Norsemen look like a mixture of Orc and Bear. Did they even do a minimum amount of research on this? This is a travesty and a total misrepresentation of the Norse EXPLORATION of America.
April 28, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST
"The Norsemen look like a mixture of Orc and Bear." Perhaps it's a subjective point of view. I bet they looked monstrous in the eyes of the natives.
April 28, 2006, 7:07 a.m. CST
So Say We All
April 28, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST
it's the obvious plagiary. "Fight and you may die. Run and you will live." Anyone else strangely hear that line from the trailer in a bad Scottish accent? How about the shot of the sword being tossed to close the trailer? All we need is that awesome character actor with the giant scar across his face and a Mel Gibson mooning to complete the cycle.
April 28, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST
Yes, I loved the trailer. Doesn't mean the movie won't suck, though. However, what it has going for it is historically accurate production design and location shooting in Iceland as well as good actors. Grendel is a troll. Trolls are traditionally not meant to look like something out of Ridley Scott's Legend or the D&D Monster Manual. As for the dragon, if it's not in the film it won't bother me in the least as it's the aspect I'm least interested in seeing. But then again, I loved The 13th Warrior so what do I know?
April 28, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST
"Perhaps it's a subjective point of view. I bet they looked monstrous in the eyes of the natives." Why? The Norse explorers of Greenland and America weren't Vikings (and not even Vikings looked even remotely like that). They didn't come to rape and pillage. They would look something like this: http://www.iww.is/yellowpages/myndir/ji_sogusafnid0453_450.jpg According to the sagas the initial contact was peaceful trading. This film is Hollywood travesty.
April 28, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Or is he sticking with Japanese models only?
April 28, 2006, 9:42 a.m. CST
It's a myth. Just thought I'd point that out in case any dumbass scriptwriters were thinking of making another terrible Viking movie.
April 28, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
Native: "The vikings are coming! What are we gonna do?" Karl: "We're gonna need woad. Lots of woad."
April 28, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
But other than that the movie's got it right. They wore skull masks like that guy from Willow. And they had these clips of ninja stars attached to their forearms that they shot at people, and rode ligers into battle, bred for their skills in magic. Another little known fact: They invented the steam engine and the paper clip. In any case, I will probably see this anyway someday just because I've a soft spot for historical action movies.
April 28, 2006, 11:26 a.m. CST
Yes, that 'run and you'll live' line is taken from Braveheart, although they've cunningly reversed it (jeez, am I a geek). I also spotted a few other sly thefts too - the sword dropping into the ground at the end was also nicked from Braveheart, while the 2006 AD skit was nicked from the Gladiator trailer. Somebody call the cops!! Actually, this looks terrible - while I am a historian / film nut, I am able to switch off the former when I'm at the flicks, for the most part. But NO to horned helmets!!! They didn't have 'em dammit!!! GARRRRR!!!! It's a great subject for a movie, but this looks like real bargain basement shite. Give us a decent Viking movie - the 13th Warrior was OK, and at least had some Scandinavian actors, but it should have been better (although I'm very fond of it). Let's hope the Beowulf and Grendel thing works out.
April 28, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST
They were incredibly concerned with their physical appearance and failed to take hold in North America because they would not, for example, abandon their euro cloth clothing for more practical furs that indigenous people war. So horned helmets aside (and those are mentioned in contemporary texts if not supported in artifacts) these look off the mark. Footnote about the horns: I think that as with the winged helmets, what was done was attach actual horns and wings to the metal helmets, rather than forge them of the same metal onto the helmet. That largely explains why they are not found. Also, it explains why Vikings might wear them: They would break off if a sword caught them, rather than giving a viking whiplash.
April 28, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
I did actually like the viking costume design, just not for an actual viking movie. I believe it was the good doctor mentioned this should have been a sword and sorcery picture a la Conan instead.
April 28, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST
Hmmmm...well...not sure about that one. Kudos for the Scandinavian SUPPORTING actors, but why put Gerard Butler (who I do have a bit of time for) in the lead role? Surely find a large strapping Norse bloke! And what's with the dodgy hair-dye jobs? Sarah Polley looks like Kurt Cobain in his questionable 'magenta' period! Oh well, let's wait for this weird motion-cap version instead then.
April 28, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST
The film is obviously trying to create a plausible "true" story of what happened which later became the basis for the poem, much like The 13th Warrior, but a lot closer to what ultimately became the legend. As such, it looks like it's doing a sterling job. Having a huge sub/demi/quasi-human as a troll/monster/creature works just fine for me. You'll get your monster lust satiated by the mocap version, I'm sure. If not, there's always the Christopher Lambert version.
April 28, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
I'm fascinated by that kind of cryptozoology thing even if Creation science makes me want to beat my head against something dense. (it takes away the pain, temporarily).
April 28, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST
...I wouldn't trust a Creationist as an authority on anything.
April 28, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST
"In all, a comprehensive and somewhat horrifying picture of Grendel emerges from the pages of Beowulf, and I doubt that the reader needs to be guided by me as to which particular species of predatory dinosaur the details of his physical description fit best." ...... Oh, please...
April 28, 2006, 12:33 p.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
On shelves March 2008.
April 28, 2006, 3 p.m. CST
In my version Grendel will plague the Hollywood Hills and eat people who don't respect source material. And when Beowulf shows up, he will help Grendel. It will be a buddy flick.
April 28, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST
Grendel has a dual heritage that reflects the pagan and Christian synthesis of the poem. He is the kin of Cain--as in Cain and Abel and he is also called an "ent" a giant (frost giant) and "aglaeca" monster or demon. His actions parallel trolls found in Icelandic sagas. With Grendel you get two kinds of monsters for the price of one. Wes thu hal!
April 28, 2006, 9:22 p.m. CST
blast from the past for me, where douglas gets his eye ripped out by a bird. pathfinder will be terrible and i will see it out of curiousity. ingeld give props to seamus heaney before you paraphrase him...the man did a service to the history of the beowulf poem with his new translation and his analysis. we'll never know about the roiginal version and heaney's telling is somewhat more approachable by not lit types and he's made a classic story mopre accessible, which is what i think all the changes to beowulf (from pagan to christian to heaney's update) have always been about.
April 30, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero