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So Say We: Awesome!!! SciFi Channel To Launch GALACTICA Prequel Spin-Off!!!
SPOILER ALERT !!
I am – Hercules!!
Set more than 50 years before the “Battlestar: Galactica” miniseries, “Caprica” will deal with the origins of the Cylon race! And apparently with Bill Adama’s parents, uncles, aunts and/or grandparents!
Look!! A press release!!
SCI FI CHANNEL UNVEILS POWERHOUSE DEVELOPMENT SLATE
Unprecedented Commitment to Original Programming With Top Tier Creative Talent Including Jesse Alexander, Freddie Prinze Jr., Eric McCormack
NEW YORK SCI FI Channel's Mark Stern, EVP, Original Programming, announced today an aggressive slate of original scripted dramas, miniseries, alternative reality and late night series for the Channel. Already established as an industry leader with highly acclaimed and award-winning shows such as 'Battlestar Galactica,' SCI FI Channel's latest slate of high profile projects showcases top industry luminaries and offers imaginative, broad appeal entertainment.
Scripted Series
'CAPRICA'
From executive producers Ronald D. Moore and David Eick ('Battlestar Galactica'), writer Remi Aubuchon ('24') and NBC Universal Television Studio, this new series is set over a half a century before the events that play out in 'Battlestar Galactica.' The people of the Twelve Colonies are at peace and living in a society not unlike our own, but where high-technology has changed the lives of virtually everyone for the better. But a startling breakthrough in robotics is about to occur, one that will bring to life the age-old dream of marrying artificial intelligence with a mechanical body to create the first living robot - a Cylon. Following the lives of two families, the Graystones and the Adamas (the family of William Adama, who will one day become the commander of the 'Battlestar Galactica') 'Caprica' weaves corporate intrigue, techno-action and sexual politics into television's first science fiction family saga.
'SNAP'
From 'Alias' and 'Lost' producer Jesse Alexander, 'Snap' is a one-hour Hitchcockian thriller about a Federal agent who uncovers a deep-seated and seemingly unstoppable conspiracy. The Internet has secretly become sentient, infiltrated every aspect of our lives, and is surreptitiously manipulating human beings towards some larger unknown agenda. Without ever revealing its full intentions, the Artificial Intelligence uses a disparate group of people to commit seemingly unrelated and petty crimes. But every person has been chosen for a reason, even if they don't know it. And every crime is not as innocent as it seems. When our Federal Agent tries to fight back, his life is put in danger. But how do you fight an enemy that can watch your every move? The only way to combat this ubiquitous foe is from within, going undercover as a "willing" participant in the AI's grand plan, and trying to stop the conspiracy before it reaches its terrifying conclusion.
'PERSONS UNKNOWN'
From Academy Award-winning writer Christopher McQuarrie ('The Usual Suspects'), who executive produces with Heather McQuarrie, 'Persons Unknown' is a surreal mind-game of a series centering on a group of strangers who awaken in a deserted town with no memory of how they arrived, only to realize that there is no escape. Watched by omnipresent security cameras, their every attempt at leaving the town's borders is thwarted by mysterious forces. The only source of information is fed randomly through remotely controlled televisions, and as mistrust begins to breed, every alliance will be tested, especially when new guests begin to arrive. 'Persons Unknown' is from Fox Television Studios.
'THE BISHOP'
From executive producers and writers Freddie Prinze, Jr. and Conrad Jackson, this one-hour drama revolves around a young slacker whose charmed life is disrupted when he discovers that he has a supernatural gift. Initially rejecting the responsibility that comes with his newfound power, he soon realizes that the mystery surrounding his gift is rooted in his lineage, and in the father he never knew. As he goes on a quest to uncover his secret past, he discovers some shocking truths about himself. 'The Bishop' is from Brillstein-Grey Television.
'BLINK'
From executive producers Eric McCormack ('Will & Grace') and Michael Forman, and writer Irving Belateche, this thought-provoking series asks the question: what would happen if you could freeze that moment in time when something you do or a decision you make changes your life forever? A group of Afterlife investigators try to help those about to make the wrong choice, in the blink of an eye before destiny is sealed forever.
Miniseries
'CHARIOTS OF THE GODS'
A six-hour miniseries based on the worldwide best-selling novel by Erich von Daniken, 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' meets 'The Da Vinci Code' in this startling tale of extraterrestrial infiltration of human evolution. When a soldier returns from his tour of duty, he brings with him an artifact that holds the key to uncovering one of the greatest secrets in the human existence - aliens have been interfering with human genetics since ancient times, and Earth has become a pawn in a covert war between two alien factions. Suddenly, his seemingly harmless souvenir makes him the target of forces he cannot comprehend. As he struggles to accept these cataclysmic truths, he discovers that he alone may hold the key to securing Earth's future. 'Chariots of the Gods' will be executive produced by Irwin Winkler ('Rocky Balboa,' 'De-Lovely'), David Winkler and Rob Cowan, and will be written by John Whelpley ('Star Trek: The Next Generation').
Reality
'DESTINATION TRUTH'
From Neil and Michael Mandt, 'Destination Truth' takes us on one man's search for the truth in a reality show that investigates stories of the unexplained across the globe. The show, hosted by Josh Gates, is a credible investigation of these stories with a first-person style that often alternates between moments of dramatic tension and humor. Every week, Josh visits a different destination around the world that is home to notorious supernatural and mysterious stories, such as the Fire Worm of Mongolia or the Chupacabra of Chile. He attempts to get to the truth by talking to witnesses and experts while immersing himself in situations that, while bizarre, are real and relatable.
Late Night
'GROUND CONTROL'
From Carson Daly Productions, this half-hour late night strip focuses on a wide-range of human interest and news topics relating to science fiction and the world of the supernatural, the paranormal, and the unexplained. With a fast-paced news/talk format including spirited debates and celebrity/expert guests, this will be a hallmark show for the network - a homebase for the expanding sci-fi genre. Fresh, innovative, and even irreverent, 'Ground Control' will be the kind of program that offers something for everyone.
'UNTITLED MINISTRY OF UNKNOWN SCIENCE SKETCH COMEDY SERIES'
A half-hour, hybrid sketch comedy, 'Ministry of Unknown Science' uses the classic "PBS" science news magazine show format as a launching point into mockumentary segments, sketches, commercial parodies, field tests, interviews and other stream-of-consciousness insanity. The content of the show seems remotely real, but is, of course, totally unreal and always hilarious. Features "The Ministry of Unknown Science" sketch comics Jason Berlin, Tim Walker, Rico Gagliano and Eric Truheart.
SCI FI Channel is a television network where "what if" is what's on. SCI FI fuels the imagination of viewers with original series and events, blockbuster movies and classic science fiction and fantasy programming, as well as a dynamic Web site (www.scifi.com ) and magazine. Launched in 1992, and currently in 85 million homes, SCI FI Channel is a network of NBC Universal, one of the world's leading media and entertainment companies.
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Great news, I wonder if they'll use the 70's-era Cylon design?
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I'm very glad to learn that Freddie Prinze Jr. and Eric McKormac won't be flying Vipers. "Wing Commander anyone?
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In the miniseries there was a nod to that design when The man met up with Six at the very begining. "errrr....By Your Command" yeah, I'm a nerd, what do you want.
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Old Vipers in addition to the shiny Cylons, and maybe we'd get to see a Basestar that resembles the 70's version as well. Lots of possibilities, this is exciting news! Glad we're not getting a Stargate: Paducah but some hard-edged sci-fi.
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If this does well maybe they'll bring back Battlestar Galactica 1980. kidding
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Anyone else hoping it was gonna be based on the old Monty Python sketch?
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...with Dr. Z. Where is Robbie Rist, anyway? Get that man a cameo!
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I mean, not only did they give Richard Hatch a role. HE's actually good. So I think the Faceman could at the very least run a stripjoint on New Caprica.
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These prequels are great. Hope they do a prequel before the prequel. This is so great. Maybe they'll show the first Battlestar and it looks like a '57 Chevy. Hope they go back to the first picosecond after the Big Bang.
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This is great fuckin' news. Battlestar is the best sci fi show ever, and hopefully now it'll beat out star trek as the best sci fi FRANCHISE ever. YEEE HAAAWWW!
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for not having freddie prinze jr. be any part of this new series. i read that wrong at frist. wow, the show would have already been doomed...
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Well, at least it's an admission that the book is science fiction.
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Wow, that really makes me want to throw the press release out.
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Unless Ron Moore is a cylon and has multiple copies of himself, this makes me nervous.
I've seen too many great shows suffer when the show runner has his attention divided.
Then again - Ron Moore can do no wrong.
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So say we all.
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i thought it was a spy show
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On par with BABYLON 5 (which I love), mayhap? I never got into STAR TREK, but I sure loves me my Ron Moore writing!
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It's good to know that I wasn't the only person who thought that upon reading the title. Now, if only we had a show based on the Spanish Inquisition. That would be....unexpected?
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Just the thought of seeing fleets of Battlestars and Basestars duking it out head-to-head is enough to get my attention. Although it sounds like the series will start out as more of a suspense/action show, I can imagine it escalating as the seasons progress to the inevitable all-out war scenario. The series has a ready made ending. The retreat and disappearance of the Cylons and the period of peace that began the current series.
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Congrats on the completely gratuitous and not at all relevant to the topic at hand shot at Stargate, I guess.
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Sounds like the "O.C." in space. "Corporate intrigue?" "Sexual politics?" All that's missing is "Teen angst". Wake me when there's more Trek news to report.
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Had to use that somewhere. "Caprica" better not turn out to be "Enterprise." Lemme guess: Carla Gugino gets cast in "Snap." "Ministry of Unknown Science" sounds hilarious, one of those Why Didn't They Do That Before ideas. BTW, they should just call it that.
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That means we'll be seeing a baby Commander Adama!
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i've never seen B5, but ds9, especially after moore gets in there, is by far the best series of the bunch. and that mcquarrie series sounds awesome!
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Follows the same trajectory as every NG Trek - first three seasons are crap. Once the PTB let Moore, Echevarria & Co. loose with multi-show continuity and season-long arcs, it improved greatly.
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I don't know who wrote what on that show but if he did the arc with the Kardassian war, then hell yes it's worth checking out. That arc, which I think lasted more than a season, is probably the best Trek has ever been. I worry about another Galactica series though. I hope they don't spread the talent too thin between the two productions. I wasn't really itching for a prequel, just more of the one we've got now.
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I love my BSG...but I just hope they don't oversaturate. no pun intended..but I think its too soon.
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It makes perfect sense they are working on a spinoff. That explains why the last episode of Galactica was so awful, all the writers had given up to work on the new project. Seriously, that last ep was pure garbage. They are fighting for their lives on a harsh planet, barely surviving, and they are having goddamn union meetings complaining about benefits? As a race, I stopped caring about them. They gave up, insanely believed they were safe from the cylons, and paid the price. Next season has nowhere to go now. This show was so good, but went so so bad...
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It rivals even the Kirk/Spock original in my Trekkie heart. Oh that Garak!!
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And the best hour of trek ever is the episode "The visitor" About an adult Jake Sisco's attempts to rescue his father from some sort of time loop. An incredibly moving episode.
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That would draw in ten times the audience of this tepid schedule.
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Stargate fan, are ya? Well I was a fan of the movie and first series, but the spinoff was NOT necessary. It's total cheeseball, and you know it. Let's hope CAPRICA doesn't fall into the same trap, shall we?
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that show had the best relationships among its characters..they just let it unfold, not at all forced
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Dude...you are spot on about DS9. The relationships and characters in that series are easily on par with the original series. Garak was also my fav, he always had a wink in his eye that hearkened back to the Harry Mudd days.
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Terrific characters and relationships. The political arcs sometimes unfolded clumsily, but if I had a choice between a show with an iffy plot and great characters, or one with a great plot and weak actors/characters, I'll go with the characters every time.
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Some of the most disturbing words I've ever read. Think Monty Python can sue him for theft of intellectual property? (http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode17.htm#4)
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Is he made me see the Boy Who Cried Wolf story in a whole new light.
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...my boss actually worked with von Daniken on a documentary. Traveled around the world with him, listened to him spout off on all his theories...by all accounts, it was a fucking great project, just so long as you kept the snickering inaudible to the camera mic.
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...there ain`t enough B5 love around these parts. IMHO, that shit is on par (epic-wise) with LotR, the book, not the movies!
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Apr 26, 2006 11:27:54 PM CDT
Ministry of Unkn.Science = Rip-off of "Look Around You"
by coconutradio
Hilarious show on BBC - "Look Around You" - all bad science and information - check it out - it's in its 2nd season now.
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The man who made Way of the Gun can do no fucking wrong in my book. Uusal Suspects, yeah, it's good, but Way of the Gun...now that's fucking spectacular. Looks like he's finally scratching his Prisoner itch, though.
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To expand on what I wrote before (which I posted before reading your querry) - I love both DS9 and B5. B5 was great on the epic story arc, but weak on acting, and weak on dialogue (watching the DVDs, I was amazed at how many times characters delivered alternating monologues). It was hard for me to get into B5 early on, because the arc episodes were spread pretty thin. I didn't care for most of the characters, so if the arc wasn't unfolding, my interest waned. Same thing happend at the start of S5. With DS9, its virtues and vices are the flipside of B5. For the most part the actors are terrific (especially many of the recurring parts), and the relationships really develop over the course of the series. On the other hand, it was clear that the series long arc was not planned out, and things could get bumpy along the way, especially in early seasons. However, I cared so much about these characters (in large part thanks to actors) I was more than willing to watch a subpar episode, because I just enjoyed spending time with them. A good example was the story "Heart of Stone" which essentially has two characters stuck in a cave. It should have been terrible (and there were many weak elements), and I normally would have called BULLSHIT on some of its revelations, but the actors (esp Rene) some how made it all work.
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The execs/suits gotta do something. The DVD`s practically sold themselves, like that fucking ONE NIGHT IN PARIS thang.
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And its a great job of misdirection. He basically starts with "let us assume that..." and then runs from there. He can point to alls sorts of things that could (but don't have to) confirm his ideas, but at no time does he ever justify that initial assumption. That's the keystone holding everything up, and once it's removed for lack of real evidence, the whole book come tumbling down.
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...I just hope that it's at least close to par with BSG and that Moore and/or his BSG team keeps a close eye on this new show's growth. I don't want a half-assed spinoff to taint my appreciation for how amazing and groundbreaking BSG is.
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I have a lot of faith in Ronald D. Moore, but this sounds a lot like "Dallas" in space.
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Doesn't this sound like ABC prime time soaps of the 80's? All we need is Aaron Spelling & E. Duke Vincent producing. Hey, let's Cast John Forsythe as Bill Adama's Grandpa.
So far the premise sounds like "suck". If this turns into an A.I. war with the original Cylons, maybe it won't be bad. But if this is just 2 families and their interpersonal relationships on Caprica, and some proto-Cylons mixed in to give fanboys some continuity porn, you might as well call it "Tatooine" and make it the retarded sounding Star Wars TV prequel. Is this a series, pilot or miniseries like the original BSG? Sadly no matter what it is, all BSG fans (present company included) will watch it, even if it sucks - at least for the first few episodes. But all it takes is a strong audience for the first episode to convince SciFi to run anything long term, good or bad. Let's hope our fears are not realized and it does become something worth watching.
However, I bet you the original 1970's BSG cylons they briefly displayed in the Mini-Series, in the museum, will probably never show their bulky metal hides in this prequel. After all, the new BSG series was not made to satisfy the die hard fans of the original. They gave you that wink and nod by having the museum display, playing the BSG theme once and casting Richard Hatch. Don't expect miracles. -
Sorry to be off topic, but what the FRAK? Could someone please post a link or any further info. aobut a series based in the dead universe? Since Kirkman's "Walking Dead" took off, this seems like a great idea for an HBO/Showtime series.
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Totally underrated.
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Apr 27, 2006 12:43:42 AM CDT
For a sec thought Freddie Prinze Jr. was on BSG spinoff
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...thank goodness I stopped swallowing my tongue in time.
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before he had his sex change operation. I would like to see that.
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Apr 27, 2006 1:13:27 AM CDT
Since someone classed this lousy talkback up...........
by cotton mcknight
and mentioned something worth talking about- the Star Wars tv show- I thought I should mention it will NOT take place on Tattooine and be the adventures of young Luke. That is all. Get back to your lousy tv show.
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i think that the star wars tv show will be to any bsg show what "inavasion" is to "lost"
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question. Can someone explain to me why in the original Star Wars people act like the Jedi have not been around for a long time when in actuality the Empire really had only takes over about 20 years before? Never made sense to me, and maybe someone can give me an explaniation. ALso, count me among those that threw up a bit when for a split-second I thought Freddie Prinze Jr and Eric McCormack were gonna be in Caprica
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i could answer your question, but it would make me sad to say it.
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it's because george lucas didn't follow his own timeline. it's not like the continuity with the 3 new movies is stellar.
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Freddie Prinze Jr. listed. Thought they were talking about Battlestar... thank god it wasn't.
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" 'Caprica' weaves corporate intrigue, techno-action and sexual politics into television's first science fiction family saga."
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Battlestar Galactica is far and away the best thing on Brit T.V. by a loooong shot, and my first thought was that a prequel was a great idea. BUT, look what happend when someone thought a trek prequel was a smart thing to do. I have always been a Trekkie fan, but Enterprise, though I did kinda enjoy it, was never as good as the others in the series, and bowed out with the worst ever Trek episode in the history of Trekdom! I hope as much thought and planning goes into this new spin-off as goes into the current B.G. series.
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Battlestar Galactica is far and away the best thing on Brit T.V. by a loooong shot, and my first thought was that a prequel was a great idea. BUT, look what happend when someone thought a trek prequel was a smart thing to do. I have always been a Trekkie fan, but Enterprise, though I did kinda enjoy it, was never as good as the others in the series, and bowed out with the worst ever Trek episode in the history of Trekdom! I hope as much thought and planning goes into this new spin-off as goes into the current B.G. series.
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If they can successfully pull off the homefront/battlefront theme of The Unit, this might work. This would make the series radically different from BSG where everyone is in the same boat (fleet) and at equal risk most of the time. But it also makes sense that it would start out more as a melodrama considering that Admiral Adama has already revealed that his father was a lawyer. Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if somewhere in the course of the series we see Adama Sr., Attorney at Law involved with a trial to determine if the newly-sentient proto-Cylons have the right to self-determination? Think "I Robot." Having these rights denied to them would be the perfect spark for a revolt that eventually leads to the war. It also provides a great motivation for a young Bill Adama to join the military. "My father helped start this war, now I have to help finish it."
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I'd honestly rather see a show from the same universe but many 100s of years earlier which tells the tale of the founding of the 12 colonies and the "gods" that founded the colonies. Then they would proceed with all that stuff that "has all happened before" we keep hearing about but can never understand. Also, I'd have been perfectly happy if none of the current people and/or families were primary characters in the new show, makes their world a little too small. Well whatever the case, it will be shit hot to see all classic Galactica designs being played with within Moore's sensibilities.
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Talk about BORING!!! It was a goddamn soap opera! They only got the idea to try introducing long story arcs when Babylon5 took off and people like Ron Moore scratched their heads and wondered why they had never thought of that.. Which brings me to my second point - RON MOORE IS A HACK!! There were SO MANY dud episodes in the two seasons of BSG, including the all-important last episode that left you with such a bad taste in your mouth... The man has ALREADY run out of ideas! And to think he's gonna attempt ANOTHER TV show??? WTF?? Freddy Prinze Jr may as well be involved because it won't make it any less SHITHOUSE than it is already doomed to be! The ONLY DS9 episode that was in the least bit interesting was their version of "let's rip off Kurasawa" - The Magnificent Ferengi - Iggy Pop - VERY funny... More proof that Ron Moore is a hack tho...
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Maniaq, dude, if DS9 bored you, that's too bad. You missed out on some of the best Star Trek ever seen. Check out "In The Pale Moonlight" or "Far Beyond The Stars". The character interactions on the show start out stiff, and grow better and better over 7 years. But hey, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. Of course, it's WRONG. Heh. And yes, Amadeus and kdoc, when I saw "The Bishop" on this list, I thought for sure we'd be seeing a full-length version of the Python sketch. "Don't say the baby's name!" "We was too late. The Rev hit the ceiling."
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Some of the concepts sound okay but if they are just a bunch of crappy Canadien shows like Codename: Infinity or Mutant X then fuck that shit.
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When I first heard about the BSG prequel I was sure it was a joke, mostly because of all the JJ Abrams creating a prequel Trek movie talk. But now that it's official from Sciffy, I'm not sure how I feel about it. There's a potential for this show to be seriously good, or to seriously suck ass. And while I love nuBSG, one of the issues I've had with the show is that other than being set in space, all of the technology, clothing, attitudes, etc. reflects modern American society. Now while that could be attributed to the fallout from the Cylon wars where the colonies took several steps backwards with the technology, it's still one of the biggest problems I have with the show. Based on the premise, it sounds like Caprica is going to show the colonies with a higher technology in their creation of the Cylons. I just seriously hope that, with the entire show based on Caprica, that they at least make an attempt to show the colonies as being a futuristic society that could believably create intelligent robots. But if it looks like they just are just living in downtown Vancouver, I probably won't continue to watch it.
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Big Bad Clone... you haven't heard about Torchwood? The planned Doctor Who spinoff over in Brit-land? Hey, who knows, it might be good. I'm in favor of them throwing as much shit against the wall as possible, to see what sticks.
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Since the BSG miniseries has 9/11 parallels, you back up a generation or two and make the prequel a Vietnam / Cold War story. The Cylons should be built as part of a "Dr. Strangelove" type plot to have a superweapon to break the strategic stalemate between Caprica and another colony / colonies. Since Adama's father was supposedly a human rights lawyer, you involve that family by making them peaceniks who think that building weapons that can think is a bad idea. Throw in a bunch of late 60's character types but put them in a sci-fi situation.
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"Unprecedented Commitment to Original Programming With Top Tier Creative Talent Including Jesse Alexander, Freddie Prinze Jr., Eric McCormack"
Um...yeah, top tier...I mean, sure, c'mon! Freddie Prinze Jr.; nothing says quality entertainment like the Prinze. Remember all those good scifi movies he was in? Wing Commander, Scooby-Doo, Scobby-Doo 2? Quality.
Couldn't they have waited until after BSG ended for a prequel series? Sure, I'll watch it. But, it would've been better, in my small opinion, to have waited until there was no BSG for fans, so that "Caprica" could fill an opened niche. I didn't read when all this starts. Is it a new line-up for next next season, '07-'08? I don't think it said in the release. -
He should get to play a recurring role in this, just like Richard Hatch has gotten to do on Galactica. He could easily be Kara Thrace's grandfather (or grand uncle) who first started using the Starbuck callsign! C'mon, Ron Moore -- do it! This will make so many fans happy and mend ways with the fans of the classic series.
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Adama on acid? I am sooooo there!
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i want werewolves dammit. we need a fukin werewolves channel. now.
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God, I was in Sci-Fi Heaven. I also loved Space Rangers, Crusade, and even had a fondness for Space Precinct. Now all I have is old episodes of Buffy.
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The Jedi were already pretty insular towards the end of their existence. While I'm sure people didn't think of them as mythological, I'm sure a large majority of members of the Republic never met one in their lives. Remember what Watto says to Qui-Gon? Anyway, think about this way: if the US Government purged (er, we'll say they shipped them to Canada) every single Western Philosophy professor in the universities, would you notice? Sure, if you studied Western Philosophy. But I bet many people would be like 'Wow, they still teach Philosophy in college?' ... I probably am not explaining what I mean very well, and for that I apologize.
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A while back, wasn't SciFi planning on doing and update/remake of "The Forbin Project?" Is it just me or does anyone else think that "Snap" may be a re-worked bastardization of that, possibly combining another series idea into one single project? I'd hate that since I really was looking forward to a new Forbin movie or mini. Any, yes, count me among those catching "The Bishop" and "The Prisoner" references.
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"...and all it cost, was the lives of a Romulan senator, a known criminal, and the self respect of one Starfleet officer." Fucktastic.
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amen.
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Around the time that Crusade was on, SCI-FI channel decided that what the geeks wanted was hot alien women having sex. JMS laughed them off and got cancelled. Shows like Farscape and Lexx pretty much fell in line with the new policy. Even Galactica spends an awful lot of time on babes. Now, I like to look at beautiful women as much as the next guy, but a sci-fi show needs to have more content than a Miss America pageant to keep me interested.
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I'd rather Moore and CO. concentrate mostly on BSG alone.
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Sisco made that log entry and then said "Computer, delete this log" BOOM! GodDamn those were the days! Another great line from Baby 5: "General during the Earth Mimbari war there was only one man who was able to destroy one of our ships. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else"
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Sisco made that log entry and then said "Computer, delete this log" BOOM! GodDamn those were the days! Another great line from Baby 5: "General during the Earth Mimbari war there was only one man who was able to destroy one of our ships. He is behind me, you are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else"
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I watched quite a few eps of DS9 trying to get into it and just couldn't. The only ep I thought was halfway decent was the baseball game one, but the rest all stank. Never cared for any of the characters, thought the stories were boring as hell, and just hated it. I liked Voyager and Enterprise way better then DS9.
I think this can be successful if it doesn't take away the quality of BSG. It went downhill a bit after S2.5 (it took over a season and a half to actually have a bad ep), but is easily still the best show on the air. I didn't like the ending of the season fanalie, but we'll see how that plays out. Hopefully the writers will get this show back on track compared to pre-S2.5. Gods, I really hope so. -
... I was going to get all indignant and call you crazy for thinking Voyager/Enterprise were better than DS9. But then I looked at your name, yanksno1, and I realize that you and I were never going to see eye-to-eye anyway, so what's the point. ;)
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It's The Prisoner with more than one protagonist. A mysterious force keeps them in a town that they don't know how they got to? Patrick McGoohan should sue their plagiarising asses
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The Ministry Of Unknown Science is very funny. I'm glad they're getting a shot, this could be the next great sketch comedy now that Chappelle is gone.
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love bsg.
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...I have thirteen progressively more difficult levels." Does anyone else remember that movie? That's kind of what I thought when I read the title to the Prinze vehicle (and thank the frakking gods he's not in the BSG prequel). On that BSG prequel, I can't help wondering if this trip is really necessary or justified at this point in BSG's development. I love Moore, but shouldn't we be trying to keep him focused on the show that's working already? Buffy went to shit after Angel started up (and Angel kind of sucked while Firefly was briefly on). What's with good TV makers and ADD? Wait...that probably answers itself. And speaking of good TV, DS9 wa, indeed, among the best. Once they got Worf in there and started taking the Defiant out for jaunts, it was easily the best Trek has ever been on the small screen. My only regret is that I didn't get to see Dax getting her body makeup applied. Oh, and I enjoyed Way of the Gun, but a lot of it felt overwritten. Maybe it was Walker's fault...maybe he just couldn't make that deep, philosophical dialogue rolling during the action scenes as easily and naturally as he pulled off the "fuck start her head" line (which remains one of my faves to this day).
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Have you seen the original documentary of Chariots of the Gods. It is the greatest peice of entertainment ever! The Shat talks about aliens raping earth women, and how we are all descendants of ancient astronauts - and he is being serious!!! I just hope they get the Shat involved in the new series - maybe he could be the original astronaut and we find out that we're all descended from Shats sperm!!!!!!
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That would be fucking great. I love Werewolves. There needs to be some more good...no great, Werewolf content made in Hollywierd. Underworld doesn't cut it. We need something better than that. How about Werewolves on a Plane! That would rule!
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...and, in the end, we all go to Shat as well. It is the way of things.
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It is definitely a great opportunity for the Sci-Fi channel to start bringing up the quality of the rest of their programming, and to stop being thought of as a network that produces dumb shit...which is what it was and still is for the most part (thier mini-series are horrid at best and unbelievably bad at worst). Caprica will go a long way to establishing some credibility for this network, and that is a good thing. Maybe then they can branch off into some uncharted territory that doesn't suck (in my opinion all the Stargate based stuff sucks canal water).
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WTF!? Everything else sounds great. I love Sci-Fi. Isn't it funny how they can make shows and take chances--and give those shows time to air and build and audience--while the networks flounder and scramble. Their model seems more along the lines of HBO. I'll look forward to most of these shows.
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All the Yankee fans I know (myself included) love DS9 (at least, those who are into the genre). Most Yankee fans know class when they see it, and DS9 was it.
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BSG was phenomenal its first season and started to suck in its second. The last thing Moore needs is divide his attention at this point. He needs to be looking after his first child in the hospital instead cruising bars and fucking a bunch of flusies. I suppose it might be good, but history tells us that producers with A.D.D. end up pissing off their fans. They should at least wait another two years. .......... DS9 was great, I even liked the "bad" episodes for some reason. Nobody can deny that it had the best space battles of all the Trek shows (Cadassians, Romulans, Klingons, Federation and Jem-Hadar all in the same battle -- fucking awesome). ........ B5 is, of course, the reigning champion of sci-fi, IMO. It had some flaws, but all shows do. No show has ever had me jumping up off the couch and cheering as much as B5 has. Not once did it make me feel like it was going nowhere (well maybe season 5). And despite some bad acting, there was a lot of really good acting too. Did everyone forget about Londo and G'Kar? When Londo found out how Morden had been playing him I actually felt like I was in the room with him. G'Kar always emoted so well through all that makeup. And Kosh's lines were always delivered to perfection. ;-)
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... fair enough. I wasn't implying that yankee fans don't like DS9. That would have been an odd generalization. (Although, most of the baseball fans I know wouldn't be able to pick DS9 out of a lineup... though they might ID Sisko from Spenser for Hire!) I was simply stating that given the fact that yanksno1 and I differed so widely on two such different subjects, I wasn't going to try and look for common ground for a discussion. And even that was said jokingly.
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I agree Pop-cult. I also think it would be cool if they had some of the old costumes/designs. Like maybe the early Battlestars/vipers/shuttles etc. look just like the old show. And the Viper-jocks wear those cool outfits with the brown battle-jackets...I really miss those.
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That would be the shit! (It's actually a must cuz they were shown in the mini-series) I'd even like to hear the old theme reworked and updated by Bear for the opening (It is the Colonial-Anthem afterall) That would great.
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The only thing I can say to old school BSG fans who don't like the new series -SUCK IT!
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I don't see anybody here bashing the new show. There's no question that the new series is better, but the old show has it's charms. There have been plenty of nods and winks to OBSG already...and some of them turned into much more that, such as the casting of Richard Hatch. It's only natural that a prequel show would continue in the same vein. Clearly the Cylons would be less advanced, hence (as established by the mini-series) they will look like the toasters of old. It would then make perfect sense for the past battlestars, basestars, vipers, and raiders to follow suit. Why design new "old-stuff" when you have the old show's designs available? Uh, that didn't quite come out the way I wanted it, but, you know whatI mean.
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One way to make this work is if Adama's lawyer father is a take on THE FIRM. Attorney Adama could be allied with honorable Caprica government agents, deep throats, religious leaders, and military to fight politcal-corporate-Cylon crimes. This could be a spring board for good techno-action, space battles, and the like.
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Ack! Still, having seen one or two recent ones, he seems to be slightly improving at a pace that rivals glaciers. He's gone from flat-out-fucking-awful to just-plain-old-bad. Maybe when he replaces Conan, he will merely suck.
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I'm not bashing the old show. I recognize that if there wasn't the old BSG, we wouldn't have the jewel on SCIFI right now. Who I AM bashing is the old school BSG FANS who HATE the new BSG; colonialfleets.com in particular. If you know the controversy with the moderators of that site, you would probably understand my disdain for most oldschool BSG fans. Again, I don't hate the old show so much as I hate the old geeks. My prediction (and it is only a prediction right now) is that the old schoolers will just bash this prequel same as they did the new BSG.
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Hey, I'm all for BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE CYLON MENACE -- errrr, CAPRICA, but how about using that option for Series 2 of DOCTOR WHO and kicking a STARGATE show or two to the curb already? Classic men-in-Cylon suits would seriously rock, though...
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Anybody who still hates on the new show for such reasons is simply foolish IMO. I thought most of the old-schoolers had been converted. I don't know, maybe a show like this (with lots of OG-nods) would finally shut-up the hold-outs?
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sweet.
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At least there is one coming. TORCHWOOD
http://tinyurl.com/dhbh4
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We can only hope the prequel will convert these heathens.
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Remember that super nerdy kid, Gabriel Koerner, that was featured throughout the documentary? One of the things they showed was his 3D model of an ST spacestation for his fanfilm, well let's move ahead to 2003. Gabriel was the person that built the 3D model of the Vipers for new BSG, he even won an industry award for it. How's that for your BSG trivia of the week?
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BY far the most interesting DS9 character-that guy deserves his own spin-off!!! Moore's etc biggest crime was side-lining him in the last few seasons-to give screen time to shit like that fuckin lounge lizard hologram and the ferengi midget.
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My main fear is that this spinoff will be produced on the cheap side - with the initial highish ad revenue being diverted to buy new baby shoes for the rest of the nascent line-up.
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Damn I loved that show. I'm in the midst of a Season 3/4 marathon. A warrior preistess who can lay down the smack - I love Delenn. And Londo desperately trying to get G'kar to acknowledge his change of heart and redemption...good times.
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but Eick and Moore should throw in some 80's and 90s pre-9/11 activities...actions that lead to Cylon blowback...a Mel Profit (Wiseguy) type character...industrial espionage...a commander-in-chief caught up in a scandal/investigation who, for various reasons, cannot or is not allowed to give proper attention to the Cylon threat (not taking sides or getting political - refering to the sexual politics aspect...IMHO it would just make a good Caprica story arc).
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When Terry Farrell left, I always thought they should have just upped Garak's involvement in the show. I'd actually go a step further and say he was the most interesting Star Trek character, across the board.
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They could try to explain why, as Baltar noted in Pegasus, the Cylon personality is much like the human one - the base Cylon consciousness could be some kind of reconstruction of the results of bizarre drug experiments performed on human subjects by military intelligence. Cylon mentality could be a set of commands laid over a substrata of profound psychosis. All of this, naturally, is being kept hidden by the contractor in charge of the project.
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While these techincally are original programming (not old shows re-aired), almost all are based on shows ore concepts that have already been done. Persons Unknown is a reimagining of the Prisoner, Snap owes alot to the Forbin Project (and I think Manny Coto might6 think that there is a lot o similarity to Odtssey 5's "sentients"). Still I look forward to seeing if they can bring something new to the table using these old ingrediants. Peace!
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In the Pale Moonlight with the focus on Sisko. Loved how Garek played a huge role in that one.
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Mr. Moore is going to stretch himself thin on this mess. First he botches the season finale and now he's doubling his workload. This could suffer the same fate as "American Dad" on Fox. Same creator, but dreadful production.
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I find it interesting that nobody has mentioned that the original BSG was influenced by Chariot of the Gods. Other than Mormonism and Star Wars it was the biggest influence on the series. The whole idea of a space-faring race that populated earth thousands of years ago came from that book. "There are those that believe that life here began out there."
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When Tigh asks Starbuck where she got her call sign in the mini ... she gets all indignant and answers with a remark his wife. Perhaps it IS a hand-me-down call sign from her granddad and knowing Dirk's fondness for women using that call sign ... makes sense that he should be cast as the early Starbuck.
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Treks and CSI's and Law and Orders. Where does it stop. The new Galactica is good. Leave it alone.
How about trying to establish some new Sci Fi series. Some may work. Some may not but come on! -
Next to the Bigfoot docudramas,
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Pretty much the main influence. Larson had been trying to sell something like "Space Exodus" since 1970 I think. Star Wars merely gave Universal the balls to green-light it. The idea that Galactica ripped-off SW is kind of a myth. Sure Larson hired the SW designers/FX people--hence a similar "look". And 20th-Century-Fox did take Universal to court. But Lucas wanted no part of it. He was quoted as saying "it's nothing like Star-Wars" or something to that effect. He knew better, seeing as how SW ripped off liberally from many sources, paticularly Dune and the John Carter books....in some cases he barely/didn't even bother to change the names. Anyway, it is interesting that Sci-Fi is doing both COTG and BSG...good spot there random-John.
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With love and respect to RDM's Galactica (more the subject of the post), I hope at least someone who knows JJ Abrams will do some research and see that DS9 was indeed the best Trek, well if you like character development, that is. You cannot find a more critial bunch than AICN talkbackers, especially those who like Star Trek. With exceptions (and if you liked VGR and ENT, but hate DS9, it makes perfect sense) many, if not most, adults know DS9 was the Trek with the best stories, character development, and yes, even space battles. I'm not saying STII should involve DS9, but I'd love to see Trek pick back up in the "modern" time (circa 2384). DS9 left Trek in a very interesting political situation. There is a universe of story possibilities there. Enough with the prequel crap. Oh, and, if you want to see yet another example of fine DS9, watch "Rocks and Shoals". Great stuff. I'm sure a creative guy like JJ can find a way to have Spock and Kirk involved in a current-timeline Trek movie.
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