But everything else sounds great :)
to be first!
Dammit. Not too excited about this one as the last two sucked but I'll go see it just to hear Michael Giacchino's score.
...did you like it or not?
That's the best news I've heard in movies in a very long time! About fucking time! I ready to watch this again and again already. I knew it was going to be good when the trailers didn't have the stylish spoiler scenes. I knew this was going to have to be scene to be understood. And then I knew it was going to be great. There was always the slight chance of a screw up. It's great news to know that this summer is going to start with a BANG!
A serious TRUE LIES with a better cast, you say? Sure, I'll go see it. Harry's right though, making the best of the 3 MI movies shouldn't have been that hard. I expect good things. Even if I didn't, how often does Harry truly gush over a movie made by someone he's befriended or idolized? Like NEVER!!! Cough. I keed, I keed.
He does the music on both Alias and Lost.
You're watching the a-grade of Hollywood and then up pops Simon Pegg! That's going to be jarring, for me at least. He's a long, long way away from "Faith in the future" (gentle, middle of the road sitcom from the early 90s). Otherwise, sounds grand!
But Harry... no matter how much you try, you aren't a small asian man. You know what he likes... why even try that weak maneuver. I am sort of disappoint you can be so flippant about such an idiot. Fun or not, if I see it or not... how can you wave off that type of boring stupidity.
Doesn't the whole explosive charge in the head deal remind you of that? I remember the opening of the first flick, that was, and still is, the biggest movie event I've been to, and yes, I was all up in the Star Wars festivities. I remember the line was so damned long in the mall for that one, and they had, basically a freakin' set built around the ticket taker (something that has never been done in my area, before or since.) It was like a giant M:I emblazoned striped door with flashing lights and blaring theme music. Seriousley, for a movie opening in southern Va. it was quite the spectacle. I think they may have oversold for it. Either that, or people snuck in, cause it was extremely hot that day. People were sitting in the aisle! The coolest part, of that film was when everyone in the theater were dead silent during the laser alarm sequence, and then the loudest collective gssp when that bead of sweat rolled off Tom's glasses. It may not have been the greatest of films (I do love it's style though.) but, it wasmy most memorable movie going experience of all-time......Oh yeah, Emmanualle Beart was smokin' hot in that one.
Yes, a great film... if you like she-men and no-talent Austrians. The important question: does Cruiseface Inc eat the placenta at the end?
I don't get the love people have for this film. It's too long, far too self-indulgent and Arnie is a complete prick in it. I mean he deliberately fucks with his wife and puts her in danger why? Because she dared to question ( quite rightly) why he was sneaking around behind his back. I was really surpised that Cameron of all people would make something so ugly and sexist.
Dammit - Harry you always me hopeful about seeing movies that have previously looked shitty. I totally agree with what you said about the first two films so I'm tempted to expect good things from this one. But this review was so stuffed with superlatives and no criticism at all - wasn't there anything you disliked about the film?
...for the fact that it was just good.It didn
... is THE BOURNE SUPREMACY. Before that, it was THE BOURNE IDENTITY. TRUE LIES was trash, just like M:I-2. And look at the clips for M:I:III - now that SUPREMACY got away with shaky-cam and $175M, J.J. and Tom decide to go ahead and copy that, but make things more colorful. I look forward to this movie ... but this review was KINDA annoying to read. No offense, Harry. Keep up the good work!
You losers can pay to see this one...I'm gotta sit it out and maybe download it sometime on a boring night.
You best not be pulling my leg on this!
*...cue stirring accompaniment from the string section, as Flummage takes of a sock, and slow motion moves the sweaty sole of his foot earnestly towards the computer screen and whispers in reverent hushed tones...* ...I believe in you...
... yeah wrong TB. A bit rusty. Sorry about that. Anyway, from what I can tell, I think Harry's right about the anti cruise sentiments. Don't get me wrong, it's still funny, sometimes, largely because it's almost too ridiculous not to be, but Cruise is a capable actor. If nothing else, he's an experienced movie screen star, and he has an unusualy humility and willingness to let a director push him and attempt to take him to interesting places with interesting roles. I don't think he always succeeds. But the guy is trying. Trying a hell of a lot harder than many A listers out there. And what with the other talent involved, Abrhams, Seymour Hoffman etc, I may well make the effort to go out and catch this one...
Harry's review pretty much sums up everything I've always wanted to see from these films. I was never really into the spy genre but I was a big fan of J.J.'s ALIAS and I was curious to see what he would do with his first theatrical film. Sounds like he knocked it out of the park. Good for him.
What is this 'speculation' about Harry's personal life?
to which i say fuck y'all. i normally hate to say this, but i agree with harry. true lies is the modern day action/spy film by which all others are measured, bar-none. if MI3 is anywhere even close to being as good i'll be more than impressed. but back to harry's review. no love for de palma's MI? i guess that makes sense. i can see how harry would fall asleep towards the middle. don't we all remember his opinion on armageddon? explosions are cool and all. hell, i've spent many a buck just to see movies where things go boom, but sometimes i like a little drawn out suspense.
Depite the fact that there will be some well wishing toward tomkat and tomkitten. What will turn people off is the statement this week that he will eat katies placenta and umbilical cord. Even if he was joking and does tom er,joke no he laughs like a crazy person. People have had their fill of tom and just wish he would go away. If there is nothing else on that weekend, i will go. I will talk to my friend first and if hes not going then I wont see this film. Mind you despite, the couch jumping we both went to WOTW and that was a huge disappointment. The Jury is still out.
But from the sounds of it you find that out near the beginning anyway. Nice Review Harry, you've convinced me to see this in the cinema.
Does Harry have a girlfriend and if so is he planning to marry her? He has hinted in the past weeks that he does have a girlfriend and the rest is mind your own business stuff.....
Spot on, Harry. You are a mega-star and the whole world is anxiously waiting to read the next chapter in your romantic life. Right. Do me a favour - get over that ego you seem to have been cultivating over the past year and try and focus on why people started reading this site in the first place - the movie news, the 'cool' news, the TV news. Honestly, we aren't the slightest bit interested in the Harry romance, nor whose butt you kissed in order to get a sneak screening of a film (on the condition, of course, that you gave it a great review). A shame, because you can write a decent review and I enjoyed reading what you wrote about the actual MI-3 flick. The problem is all of that 'Harry-shit' that padded it. Get over yourself.
"As for Billy Crudup
That would make this installment of MI3 the most successful at the box office.
Seriously. Who can seriously believe what they just read is for real? It sounds taken straight out of publicity can.
People at my theater were laughing at the trailer when Cruise started running and jumping. Oh what reel life imitates.
...Out of all the summer movies this one has me extremely amped. Sure we have Superman returning, but personally I'm a little bit nervous about getting too excited about it for the moment. I don't think Singer is particularly good at casting females, for some reason he always picks the wrong one. Jean Grey? Mediocre. Storm? Bad. Anna Paquin? Mediocre. Kate Bosworth? Already looks mediocre. The main cast look too young but it's fairly understandable considering it's a franchise but at the same time it's a bit stupid considering the time within the narrative has passed x amount of years yet Lois Lane looks 25 so was she a teenager when Superman arrived in Metropolis the first time?...Anyway, MI3 on the other hand looks absolutely awesome. What a summer tentpole picture should be, I'm actually EXCITED to see it. The last time I got this excited was for the LOTR. I just watched the clip (which I never do) from MI3 with something to do with obtaining a signal (not sure about context), there's a shot there that's subtley awesome and I'm pretty convinced JJ can compose a good picture/sequence. Not a big fan of Lost though, but I enjoyed the first season of Alias. And personally Tom can do whatever the hell he likes with his personal life as long as he keeps pumping out really enjoyable films. Which other Hollywood big shot honestly pumps out a quality ratio as high as Tom Cruise anymore? Just look at his last 4 films...War Of The Worlds, The Last Samurai, Collateral and Minority Report. Loved em all.
You could have just as easily written a good review of the flick and done a little Tom bashing. I'm glad to see that not everyone is on the bash Tom Cruise bandwagon. I don't think people realize how hard it would be to stay "cool" everytime you have a mic in your face, even for an actor.(don't his media blunders actually make him more real and not fake?) You mention your own empathy for Cruise and people tell you to check your ego? Can't please everyone right? Way to hang it out there. It's nice to hear from people who still actually like movies. We have the rest of our lives to pick them apart after they're released so what's the harm in enjoying them with unabashed excitement on the first viewing? Keep up the good work!
This review has plant written all over it. ...What?
Remember that before you praise the film as the Best Modern Pop Spy Film. Oh, and not just any horseback chase - this was Arnold Schwarzenegger riding the damn thing.
They're like an entire article unto themselves. I can't wait to see this film though, looks fucking awesome!
I really enjoyed True Lies. I don't understand all the bashing the film is getting. And the horseback chase was brillian IMO. Name another spy movie, or any action movie, where the good guy chases the bad guy who is on a motorcylce down with a horse? Brilliant. I agree with Harry's opions throughout the whole thing, the first half of 1 was good, after that it sucked. And 2 was horrendous. I am very excited to start the summer movie experience with MI3 if in fact Harry is right about this one. I'll be there opening night.
...Personally, I thoroughly enjoyed those films. Sure War Of The Worlds was the weakest of the bunch, but personally I think Spielberg is going through the worst filmmaking patch in his life and for most of the film (outside of the Tim Robbins scene) it was good edge of your seat fun. You didn't like em and I'm sure as hell not gonna try convince you otherwise but subjectively speaking all those movies did well at the box office (not one had a worldwide gross of less than $200m) and were all generally well received by critics...so yes, he has a high success/quality ratio that really is undeniable when looking at the facts. For me that means that judging from his last 4 films which I've enjoyed he has guaranteed a ticket for MI3 from me...
isn't the point harry is making that the best "pop" category spy film is specific - sillier, bigger, cooler. Bourne is setting out for a hint at realism in the world we recognise, and does it really well.
oh wait, no, that was just his daddy dustin
Since Tom Cruise has taken it upon himself to be the censor of American and British cable TV I think that it is only fitting that we not pay to see the very tool that he used to silence criticism. But, you want to watch MI:3 you say? Do the ethical thing folks: buy a ticket to a feature that you want to see and then sneak into MI:3. This way you are supporting films you love without supporting that Xenu-hating, couch jumping, crazy person.
Sure box office take, does not a good movie make. And it's a pity that good "little" movies don't make the kind of coin that Hollywood blockbusters make. But you have to come to the realization that the majority of the people in the world are simple in that they want to just be entertained at the cinema and they're all average folk. That's why there's a Scary Movie 4, one of those stinkers that rake it in. One of my favourite films from last year, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, barely made anything back. I doubt The Fountain will do well either despite how awesome it looks. These films suffer from poor marketing. Honestly look at the Kiss poster and tell me you're excited about seeing it... What I personally have appreciated about Cruise's latest efforts is that it's managed to tell entertaining stories with characters that break away from the stereotypical action hero and that have narratives that have a fair amount of depth without alienating people who just want to be entertained by cinema. And while I enjoy more cerebral films as well I also seek fun escapism. The last few Cruise films also feel like films that belong on the big screen, whereas a lot of cinema releases lately feel more like they belong on TV or at the video store. This doesn't mean smaller films don't belong at the cinema, but I think the level of narrative/performances/cinematography or effects need to be cinema quality. And personally I think that's why last year experienced such a slump, how many of those films actually belonged on the big screen? Most of them were movies that people thought "I'll just hire that"
In his mind he is a media mogul, he has a website, theres films he is allegedly producing(although when they are coming out is anyone guess, the articles he is writing for different publications, the book(which hardly anyone bought), the cable show which was axed. I think he is seeting up his own company.
;)
But seriously, fuck Abrams.
Never coming to cinema Near By kenneth Turan. It is book which features films that didnt play in the cinemas. If harry wants to know how to make films there is another book i have by sidney lumet called making movies....
I'll always remember how silent that theater was. it was dead silent. you could hear the projector and the air conditioning - but it was still really quiet, yknow. Anyway so it's real quiet and I was around about the middle of the theater and to the left. I always sit around the same location. weird. So it's real quiet. And someone farts. And you know whats worse. It was a really funny sounding fart. The laughter streamed up in giggle. And then, like one a delay of maybe 12 seconds, someone behind me falls off his chair as he's trying not to laugh. And thats what set me off. Of course, my laughter was all the excuse my friends had to join the festive event. So in all, M:I:1 will always have a special place in my heart. And I remember sitting in the same theater, seated in around about the same area (Actually I think I was a bit closer down) and I remember thinking "If some one farts during this film there will be no laughter" In fact "If someone farts during this film and it stinks there will be a death here tonight" M:I:2 was an enraging film. But it did make for an iteresting night of us all putting on american accents putting on australian accents. Refering to our money in pounds and saying we have to go to the lou. Man, M:I:2 was fucked. But M:I:1 was cool. somone farted during it. that was funny. I guess you had to be there.
Come on Harry. Its not that i dont trust your review . I do and i'm really looking forward to this one , but was there nothing about this flick you didnt like. Not one scene you would have changed , not one actor that phoned it in . Nothing ?. Throw us a bone here .
April 19, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST
by Jeditemple
...Couldn't put Tom's career back together again. Look, Harry...when people boo the MI3 trailer in theaters, that's a bad f_cking sign that this movie is a total suckfest. Tom killed it and nobody wants to go see it, so sell crazy somewhere else, pal.
Heh heh...kidding. Seriously, stoked to see this baby.
This is the shit I've been waiting for! Now keep it up, get some X-Men 3 stuff headed our way!
Slurp Slurp Slurp!
Whoa Harry I hope so. I am a big fan of Tom Cruise. No matter what you say about his personal life the guy puts 100% in to being a movie star. His performance in WOTW pretty much shut up the talk about TomKat. Anyway, I am also a big fan of J.J. Abrams so I am hoping Harry is right on this. True Lies is one of my all time top ten action flicks so MI3 has a lot to live up to. I am rooting for this because we need a goog action flick. (V was great but more of a political drama)
I have no problem watching movies and putting the actors' personal life and views out of my head as part of my suspension of disbelief. Cruise being a total nut-job won't influence me one way or the other in regards to whether I'll see MI3 or not. Why should it? I don't think he's broken any laws, has he? Should I burn my DVD of my all-time favorite thriller, DIE HARD, since McTiernan confessed to wiretapping (and lying about it to the FBI) this week? That seems much more egregious than anything Tommy Boy's done, no?
You know, there could be three reasons why a person could choose not to see this movie: 1) because of how Tom has used his clout to censor South Park here and in the UK, 2) because whatever money he makes goes to the creepiest, mind-contronlingnest, dr.evilest cult on earth or 3) because his face is so thoroughly embedded in our minds as an couch-jumping, placenta-eating, psychiatrist-bashing weirdo, that we just cannot see him in character anymore, and it ruins the movie. Take your pick. For me is all three.
The movie starts with someone in horrible peril and then right before someone gets killed/maimed/exposed we flashback to see how this situation all came to be. How original! I haven
Sorry Harry but I think you and I have different movie tastes. I went back and re-read your *glowing* review of Domino. What was the last film you reviewed that you actually said sucked? I think Harry is in awe of all film-makers (some more than others) and needs to either be a movie promoter or a reviewer. That being said it looks good in the trailers, but so did the previous two...
...it might not do so well. I predict a certain level of "Cruise Fatigue".
How does he do it? When is he going to age? I think he's using scientology to stay young.
1) Everything about True Lies was great until Harry (Arnold) and Jamie L.C. escape the terrorists towards the end. The stuff at the end with the machine gun rolling down the steps shooting off bad guys and Arnold flying the plane and launching the bad guy off a missle at the end were downright horrible. 2) Tom Cruise is a great actor. He really is. It's ashame all the nonsense the media does with his personal life overshadows his hardwork and talent on screen. 3) I am now officially souped for Mi:3. It's on! Great review Harry. Glad to have you back around.
If I wrote that dribble, I hide from mirrors like Dracula... utterly embarrassing. How does one sit down and decide that *no matter what* you will find a way to praise a film? Is it an attempt to make things better with Abrams for Superman? To get Herc on the inside of Lost? Or to placate the masters that be Paramount, who holds John Carter's future in their hands?
Maybe if the director was the runner up to Project Greenlight it would be an "insane impossible risk", but with JJ Abrams and the rest of the cast and crew that's assembled for MI3 JJ's about as much of a risk as getting food poisoning at a high end restaurant... sure it happens but are the odds really stacked up so high against him? As Harry mentions (though Harry calls it a 'habit') Tom is very, very smart about what project he works on, the image that he portrays (on screen) and the caliber of people that he works with. You stick with the best and you're much more then likely to score big. And to his credit, Tom does work very hard... though with that much talent always surrounding him on the set, I'd think that it's hard not to bring out his A-game every day. It's a grand shame that he decided to fire his publicist and go out of his way to show how 'un-mainstream' and 'un-grounded' from reality he actually is in real life. He should just leave his private views private like the other Scientologists and not think that just because he's a superstar in the world of fantasy and make believe that he's qualified to talk about a real life complex discipline like Psychiatry. He needs to graduate high school first. And then college and med school and do his residency and practice medicine for 20+ years before he starts announcing how vitamins are the solution. I do enjoy his movies though. Hey Tom, stick to acting. You're not bad at that. And may God help your poor wife and child.
You all sound like celeb mag reading no marks instead of film fans. Do we not read books because we don't like the author's personality? Scratch half your literature then. For a blockbuster the first MI film was an oasis of plot in an era that lacked it.
then dont go to it. Andrew Ridgely ex-wham person became so arrogant, that the press in the uk hated him. He was exiting a club with a girl friend. There were a group a photographer outside and when ridgely came out of the club, they simply put their cameras down and turned their backs on him and ignored him. Maybe we should do the same with overly arrogant stars like Tom Cruise. dont go to see his films and that will in the end have the desired effect.
i still laff my ass off through the whole third act and i still dont know why.- its that good. and im deathly affraid of heights haha.
April 19, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST
by Sinisterjim
Glad to see someone else considers True Lies one of the, or THE better pop spy films of the last couple of decades...it has it's flaws, but every Bond film after that had a sorta sameness about it, and essentially became a stock action film...I've been looking forward to M:I3 since I heard who was behind it, now my anticipation is redlining!
True Lies was aiight. kinda forgettable except for the brief Jamie Lee strip scene. strange that Harry interviewed JJ for Penthouse and now a glowing review, no? actually, this is not really a review at all. there are no criticisms. everything is great. every actor, stunt, plot twist. all great. but, like every movie you review, you loved it. it's like when Homer was a food critic and gave dishes "Seven thumbs up". i have no way to gauge if this is worth my money/time until someone really reviews it. how about you and Vern switch movies, headgeek?
April 19, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST
by HypeEndsHere
I happen to know John Turturro's personal life is 3x's crazier than Cruise's. the difference? John shuts the fuck up.
Is this the same dude that delivered the line "man we gotta leave now........I just sharted" in that movie with Ben Stiller? No doubt, that guy is one of the greasiest looking guys in the movie biz.
I know you're a guy Harry, and therefore less able to appreciate the man-candy. But throw me a bone here. Jonathan Rhys Meyers? The Irish guy you skipped talking about? What the hell is he doing in the movie? Help a slavering fangirl justify spending 8 buck on a movie ticket. Because, I'm really not interested in Tom Cruise and his shennanegans.
This has NOTHING AT ALL to do with MI3, but I just had to share... http://tinyurl.com/oueyt
then you too can simper and smile into space like an idiot. Then you can be impregnated by the seed of L Ron Hubbard. Cool movie idea, it's like the Stepford Wives meets Alien. I claim copywrite on that!
That was great!! "move you!" Are you sure it isn't a fiber supplement?
Tom Hanks is producing "Mamma Mia!: The Movie". somewhere Alan Partridge is very happy.
Damn right that would make a good movie. Just think about it, it has all the elements: a guy who seems charismatic and powerful, rich, but who works for this shady cult/mafia organization, snaring an innocent doe-eyed country girl who had just arrived to hollywood, in order to carry the seed of the Founder, a la Rosemary's baby.... muahahah!!! Oh man, now that's a movie I'd pay to see.
Creepy male lead and heavily pregnant female lead. Female stares of into space smiling. Male lead says to press, "Yes, and then we'll eat the placenta." Female nods dumbly. Roll credits.
... is everyone hating on Tom Cruise? He's a fine actor who clearly works hard and has a nose for a good project. Mission Impossible 2 aside, he hasn't made a shitty film in ages. Is his involvement with Scientology REALLY the only reason everyones got their knickers in a twist about him???**** I see someone else has brought up the BOURNE films - surely Harry must've just forgotten those in his MI:3 induced excitement. *** Am I the only one who would still like to see Joe Carnahan and Oliver Stone entries into the Mission Impossible franchise?
Couldn't agree more...is this a talk back for The Enquirer?
April 19, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST
by MrBoinfoint
Completely over the top, tongue-in-cheek, and pointless. Tom Arnold anyone? Da Guvernator flying a jet next to a building? Ridiculous crap. But it's still better than these Mission: Impossible dingleberries. The idea of taking one of the greatest ENSEMBLE action/espionage shows in history and making it into a STAR VEHICLE for Cruise is so very wrong that it should have cracked the earth in two. The plots have been incomprehensible ripoffs of much better movies. Frankly, I would've much rather seen three movies featuring the cast that was killed off in the first one. Kristin Scott Thomas, Emilio Esteves, Emmanuel Beart, hell throw in Ving Rhames and Jean Reno anyway, make John Voight's Phelps A FUCKING GOOD GUY, make Cruise a star and leader, but of a true ensemble, and you just may have yourself a good movie. Instead, we have three unwatchable vanity puff pieces. I can't believe people pay so much money to watch a whacked-out cult member fellate himself. Hopefully the whole "TomKat" bullshit will blow up in his face and ruin his career ala "Bennifer". I feel sick just typing those two words.
Once they do it, it's cool to hate him even more so.
I was afraid Harry would write an entire review without mentioning or at least alluding to his girlfriend. By the way everyone, Harry has a girlfriend. He just wanted you to know that. He does. Seriously. So, In conclusion, MI3 was good and Harry has a girlfriend.
mattw... Did all Harry's reviews become lovefests once he hooked up? Why do birds, suddenly appear... every time... you are near ;-P
Whats wrong with you guys. True Lies was a great film. It was supposed to be tongue in cheek. It had great action scenes and it was surprisingly well written. The humor worked thankfully because Jamie Lee Curtis has great comedic timing. I guess you guys just totally missed the point of the movie. I thought it was a blast and awesome.
You all know this movie is going to be awesome. Ever since I saw the teaser trailer I've been really excited for this. It looks awesome, and I have absolutely no idea what its about, so I'm looking forward to being surprised. Has anyone else noticed that there isnt a single plot point in the previews at all?
The Bourne Identity was great. Supremacy is completely overrated though. Good not great.
April 19, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
to Mr. Cruise and other Hollywood personalities, actors and directors: We think you are all talented people who show us a good time at the movies, but honestly, please, golly gee really, NOBODY cares about your views regarding Psychiatry, modern medicine, politics (particularly politics), or how the rest of us should all lead our lives. Please. We don't want to hear it from any of you because we just don't care what your views are; when you expound on them we ALL roll our eyes and tune you out, but it does tend to get annoying. So there you go. Just a piece of advice from a fan.
Because you realize how weak Cruise looks as a super agent next to Kiefer as Jack Bauer. There was no Bauer during the last MI film.
You didn't actually just say that, did you? Dude, you gotta stop writing for the guys who cut blurbs into trailers.
April 19, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
He is now THE standard. That and Tom Cruise has gone bananas. I will see it though, but I won't think that Ethan Hunt is the Michael Jordan of anything.
Jack Bauer is presently "that cat." He is THE standard now. Still, I'm very excited for Mi:3. Peace.
John Turturro is a fucking nobody outside of film geeks - his q score is inifintesimal - great actor but a complete unknown to the public at large - the only way he'd register on the public awareness was if he were to go Orenthal James on a b-list actress
Whenever he's interviewed, he looks like he's gonna pounce at any moment. Any moment! He's like a jungle cat, waiting for...the...perfect...moment...to JUMP and attack! No anticipation for MI3 here, but let's hope for a pleasant surprise.
What I did like about MI:1, especially the start was that it's a team at work. I also liked how it subverted the fact that in the TV Series, they were always in control, in the film this time someone is completely subverting them and controlling them. MI:2 was horrible in that the whole focus was on Cruise at the expense of the rest of the team. Those masks were ridiculous and overdone by the way. I hope MI3 goes back to it being more about the team.
... in the middle of the film, Arnold diverts all those agents and resources to try and find out whether his wife is cheating on him and then sending her on some fake mission when in fact they should be ... I don't know, looking for a nuclear bomb (multiple) and some terrorists perhaps? That was a daft 30 minutes or more diversion in the context of the film and thank goodness the terrorists turned up to put a stop to that silliness.
finally, a decent popcorn movie to go to and a reason to part with 7 quid :0)
April 19, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST
by IAmJack'sUserID
And by crap, I mean his "theme". I heard it by itself and hated it.
but the point remains the same. Travolta may in fact be loonier than Cruise. and more frighteningly, armed with a pilots license and a Boeing. But Travolta's doesn't go around telling people that vitamins and jogging cures post partum depression. that scientology stops lysdexia. nope. none o' that. fuck, he even made Battlefield Earth!! but guess what? he keeps his trap shut. and in my book, that takes a certain amount of class.
they should call this "Mission: Very Hard". because i've got the feeling this will be the third possible mission in a row. (yeah, i used that before. sue me.)
I hated the subplot about the wife being bored and Arnie kidnapping her and sending her on a fake mission. It was stupid and took away from the rest of the film.
Or does Tom's diet restrict him to throat yogurt only? I thought the villain in the pic was named Lord Xenu, not Owen.
He has a son, Jett, who has autism, but he cannot publicly acknowledge that (or get him any -real- help) because Scientology doesnt believe in autism. Poor guy.
First off, the first two films, 1 was ok with twist that to this day I still can't figure out and an exciting train finale, 2 was the biggest disappointment of my Senior year in high school next to Prom night (which all happened the weekend it opened); Let's face it! 2 is really what kills the entire enterprise, if they actually wrote a real spy movie instead of a stupid melodrama about two men fighting over a chick 2 would have been successful to the fan base, Motorcycle chase aside 2 was flat, boring, and badly acted by all except Thandie Newton, I thought 2 was Cruise's worst performance EVER! When I first saw it in May of 2000 I was astonished at how bad it was, especially with Woo fresh off FACE/OFF. I'm hoping 3 will be good but after the disaster that was M:I-2 I'm alittle on the shakey side. True Lies, I remember at the time was disappointing because back then I was huge Arnold fan; It wasn't terrible but the action packed exstravaganza the commercials showed it wasn't. The main problem for True Lies at the time was that it wasn't advertised as a action/ comedy, they promoted it as a straight thriller, so being 12 years old and being use to Terminator and Commando I was alittle unsatisfied at the time; But being 24 now and having seen it hundreds of times I appreciate it better now then I did then, True Lies isn't bad just not what they promoted it as, but at least for my disappointment in 94' I had Jamie's tits and Tia Carrera to make a little boy feel better.
Not much here about part 2, but part 1 is loved up - and Harry's review of 3 is discussed: http://tinyurl.com/nobtb
They say the plot was too tough for Americans to follow. Go figure!
Surely, Ethan Hunt is the Michael Jordan of freehand rock climbing? No wait, Captain Kirk did it first in the opening of Star Trek V. Oh well.
Looking forward to it now... hope you are back for good, Harry!
are they gonna do a Limp Bizkit music video for this movie? or at least for the dvd?
Apparently he does and wants you too as well. The dude has been forcing it on any interviewer who gives him five minutes. People have known he was a Scientologist for years, but no one gave a shit until he started berating Matt Lauer and the like for being a normal person. But that said, I don't let people's personal shit get in the way when I want to enjoy their movie, and I really am looking forward to M:I:3!
You fathead.
April 19, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST
by SK909
He hinted? I just wanted to make sure that's what you said... hmmm... yeah, ok. Sure... hhhhinted??? I'm frightened... me tengo contento... I'm having happy... jesus and mary chain, where am I? Moving on... did Tom Cruise really say he was going to eat the placenta? Can someone point me to that news story? That's fucking insane, even if he was just joking, which I doubt. Cause if he were joking, that'd mean he's actually self-aware of his current Jonestownesque image making the rounds among the moviegoing public, which i'm sure he's not.
that was freakin' hilarious and more interesting than anything else on this talkback!
...when I read Harry's blatherings on how wonderful this movie is, I remember how much he went on about how fantastic that 3+ hours I'll never get back "King Kong" was or how that adult diaper-inspired dirge "Serenity" was like the second coming or how (fill-in-the-blank)was the pinicle of cinema. Sigh. Sorry Harry but these days, if you tell us how wonderful something is, your track record is steering our desire to see it towards the same location the movie quickly ends up...the bottom of the budget bin and endless rotations on late night cable. As for this Cruise-flick...sorry...I can't get excited about watching him spend big bucks attempting to lure us into watching him go through male menopause...and judging how uninteresting "Lost" quickly became, I think Abrhams' fifteen are almost up...
DOESN'T pee himself?
Scientology is NOT a religion. There is nothing religious about a bunch of hucksters preaching that Lord Xenu brought aliens to Earth 10 milllion years ago in rocket powered DC 8's. Its a fucking scam, perpetrated on the gullible, for the purpose of making tons of money. Cock-loving Cruise is a tool for these crooks to victimize more innocent, gullible, stupid people. Ordinarily I could give a shit about the stupid - let them smoke meth, or whatever. But Scientology actually offers them hope (all false) that their lives will be made better. All the get is financially and mentally raped.
The first M:I is probably one of my favrote spy movies. DePalma was firing on all cylinders, style-wise, and the plot, while occasionally confusing, was interesting enough and presented in such a great way that the film was fun from start to finish. As for TomKat, I hate Tom Cruise with such force right now that I will not pay to see this film. After his rant against psychiatry last year, I didn't pay to see "War of the Worlds". I snuck in, and it was OK, but watching it I realized that Cruise simply does not act. He is just himself. For all his drive, it seems that his formally strong talent (best on display in "Born on the Fourth of July") has been eaten up by his Scientology obsession. He is so hyper-controlling that I doubt he'll ever take a risk in a film, ever again.
What the hell do you think all of the other "religions" are in the world today? Scientology is not the ONLY one out there that is scamming the world out of their faith, money, support and undying devotion for truth. ALL religions throughout the history of religion have been exploiting mankinds belief system. Even though there is NO truth to the Christianity, Scientology or Muslim religions, in the end all anyone truly wants is to believe in SOMETHING. Even if it's not true.
....is a cunt. Nuff said.
Parallax View, 3 Days of the Condor, Manchurian Candidate, Marathon Man etc. are not "spy" films per se. And yeah, the Bourne films and "24" easily destroy Mission Impossible, the recent Bond flicks, Spy Game etc.
Everyone hates tom cruise because he's prettier than they are. Everyone hated him prior to his scientology beliefs and insane antics because he was prettier than they are. The same reason that everyone hates Brad Pitt, because he's prettier than they are, and richer. Everyone loves Phillip Seymour Hoffman, Paul Giamatti, William H. Macy, etc. because potentially they are uglier than they are. Geeks hate the pretty boys because frankly they're afraid that when they go home their girlfriend (if they've got one) will be masturbating to the likes of Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Matthew McConaghey, etc. Women don't masturbate to Hoffman, Giamatti, etc. so therefore are not a threat and can thus respect their acting skills. Once the masturbation effect on females rises the popularity and acting props to the actor decrease amongst geeks. So, gentleman, fellow film geeks, it's okay that you're ugly and it's okay that Tom Cruise is prettier than you are and that your girlfriend thinks of TOP GUN while she's taking it in the backside so that she doesn't have to look at your face. IT'S OKAY!! It's life. Now learn to accept it so that you can enjoy some fine entertainment featuring the likes of Cruise and Pitt when they aren't turning themselves ugly for your pleasure as in BORN ON THE 4TH of JULY, and 12 MONKEYS.
Harry, you gushed all over Land of the Dead, and that movie was LAME. i wanted it to be good, but in the end, it fell flat. if MI:3 does not pan out for me, the way that you say it did for you, than i will probably not read another review by you. sorry man, i guess we just have different tastes in movies. i cant help but feel that a lot of your excitement comes from the fact that you got to experience this film early. would you have said the same things if you were to pay the 10 bucks to go see it in a crowded theater?
I have come to a conclusion with this review. Have I ever respected Harry? Probably not, but I've forgiven him a lot of flaws over the years because I perceived an indelible love of movies and an innocence that set him apart from some of the more obviously ambitious contributors on this site. Recently he has started to rankle a lot more. Fuck my previous perception of him, because he obviously has an image of himself as an adored web-celebrity that feeds an enormous ego. I seriously question this, but he certainly has established himself, and what does he do in return? Write the same tedious rambling bullshit beginning with "compelling" personal backstories, continuing with nuggets of film history that he has pulled out of his ass, and ending with a lazy mixed-yet-enthusiastic appraisal of a film that pretends to come from the heart. All made even more incoherent with trademark use of ellipsis and a piss-poor grasp of grammar that he wears like some badge of honor. So I've had it with the grossly fat phony. Harry, this is me saying fuck you, your teenage girlfriend that has turned you into a mooning lovestruck grotesque, your barbecues, your southern hick friends, your celebrity friends and your look-no-frills website.
God Harry, if you liked that horrible film I'm not able to gauge MI3 from your review. How could you like TRUE LIES? Half the film was Arnie Punking his wife. Shudder.
Yes, I am withholding my money from Tom Cruise. Boycott!!!
Hey, does anyone know anything specific about "The Untouchables: Capone Rising"? This is potentially cool. Have I just missed hearing about it on the site?
i was looking forward to this and now we know fatboy likes it it;ll be shit. who else remembers glowing reviews for armageddon and revolver! damn again oh yeah and matrix sequels were also meant to be a celluloid orgasm according to fatboy
April 19, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST
by alucardvsdracula
However, now that I hear Shaun of the Dead is in the movie I might give it a chance. But Tom Cruise...
April 19, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST
by alucardvsdracula
When did True Lies become some kind of barometer to judge action films? What universe does Harry live in? Harry- You sound like a 17 year old who is getting laid for the first time and he can't but help bring it up to his friends all the time. It's not so cool coming from a 35 year old guy. Until you get more pussy than Roger Ebert I won't be impressed.
Someone ask moriarty what he thinks of MI:3, he was the only one that reviewed Domino as the dog shit it was. Although I'll buy a ticket just to support Cruise and his beard Katie. I liked his placenta eating comments. He really doesn't care.
Ya know, people bash the hell out of this guy based on his personal life.... I've always bashed his damn acting! Seriously, this guy plays Tom Cruise in just about every movie he is in. Everytime I watch his movies, I see Tom Cruise, not the character. Meanwhile, I can watch a lot of Robert De Niro movies (the older ones) and yet never "see" Robert De Niro in the movie. I see his character instead. Tom Cruise has never really been able to do this, except in Interview with the Vampire and Collateral, both of which, he played a more villanous role. Now, I do enjoy a lot of the movies he is in, but it is never BECAUSE the Cruise is in it. Interview with the Vampire, because it is a respectfully-done adaptation of a great novel. Collateral, because Michael Mann is an awesome director. WOTW and Minority Report, cause Spielberg knows how to entertain. M:I part 1, because I love spy flicks, but you can keep M:II, which is a perfect example of Tom Cruise just being Tom Cruise, except, it also included flying doves, who also made a cameo in Face/Off.
So what the fuck is the movie about?! Doesn't matter. I won't be seeing it after the abortion that was MI:2. PLus, all craziness and closetry aside, I really hate Tom Cruise. Always have ever since the Gayest movie ever: Top Gun. PLus, he's got the face you just want to punch. Repeatedly. It's not that he's "too good looking" or some such as an above poster thinks. It's that he never looses that FUCKING SMIRK!
Especially when its a big budget production. Next thing you know he'll be singing the praises of Ratner and X3.
April 19, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST
by emeraldboy
Tom Cruise said in an interview GQ that when Suri was born he was goint to eat Katies Palcenta plus the umbilical cord. We may never know for sure whether its true as I said does tom have a sense of humor. Not that I know about. He has add, which possibily explains his appearance on oprah and his comment about eating katies palcenta.
There has been much speculation brought up by harry himself about his romantic life. I know it is none anyone business, but he does mention it from time to time and he did so within the past few weeks. youll have to ask him yourself.
Apparently at a recent test screening of MI3, the attendees broke out in thunderous applause and laughter after a scene in which Tom Cruise gets the shit kicked out of him. I think Tom Cruise is a fine actor - and if he still kept his distance from the public, like he had for most of his career, I'd be all over this film like Harry on an opportunity to self-aggrandize. But I tire of Tom. Especially given his recent bullshit threat to not promote the film on the talkshow circuit - which, really, the producers should have seen as a boon. Note to Harry - Good review. Excise 'kinda' from your vocabulary.
Paul ross again , shame on you harry, shame on you. those living in the uk will know who i am talking about. Everyone else Paul ross is the brother of Jonathan He works for the news of the world tabloid owned by Murdoch and is totally incapable of giving a film a bad reveiw for example he gave Charlies Angels too four stars. I rest my case.
Its that Smirk, that arrogant, cocky, Smirk as well as the toothy smiley . When Mission Impossible came along it rescued his career and yet that smirk/smile is why I hated that movie and it started that all familiar trend that Cruise ends up being the only actor left standing at the end of the day. Its why I hated top gun. Do you want to know the person who is responsible for the career of the cruiser. The answer is none other than Berg. thats right the man who gave us, indy, ET and Jaws. What Speilberg saw in Risky Business beyond the smirk and the smile is beyond me. Most look back at Jerry Maguire and Shudder and think what was to like about that movie. yuck. He will never win an oscar. Look at rain man. Cruise looked a chump beside Hoffman who gave one of the best performances of his career in the movie and know when I hear cruises line about autism in the movie. I want to kick in the TV. I think the line is its Just some made up bullshit.
Still seeing a lot of negativity online, though, which makes me less optimistic about the box office. And I have to add on to the True Lies hate. I agree completely with what Kuryakin said above. It had great action sequences, though.
April 19, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST
by Demosthenes2
...the man has been crudely, cockily stating his beliefs about psychiatry when he clearly has no concept of what it's like to truly suffer clinical depression. I believe that to be his only major faux pas to his image, and because of that everything else that's been questionable but would otherwise be "whatever" has been tarnished for me.
Remember a few years ago Tom was in the news for real life acts of heroism? Now all we hear about is how "crazy" he is. The fact is his comments sound tame and sane in comparison to the bile vomited out by some of the talkbackers on this site. (a site that deals with subject matter that is supposed to be FUN!)The higher you get the more everybody wants to see you fall. All this Cruise bashing says less about him and more about the sad state we are in as a culture. The bashers on this site sound like the type of people who wait for you to make the slightest error and the attack you for it(those people are always fun to hang out with right?). Smells like contempt masking bitter envy & jealousy.
everything fantastic, all the actors and characters great, best film of it's genre, this reviewer is a plant! shocking. PS - Does Simon Pegg put on a rubbish American accent?
donkeypark.
did anyone else notice or find it funny that Harry said MI3 is the greatest spy movie ever, but asks us to forget about sean connery's 007, 3 days of the condor, the parallax view, the conversation, and munich. "Ignore all the good spy movies out there and this is the best spy movie ever!" Whatever.
Now someone tell JJ to go back and save his show from destroying itself! I think all the Mission Impossible films were great. Maybe this will be the start of a real summer movie season, unlike last summer. Just hop Tom can get past this past year and it doesn't hurt his carreer. He's done some good films, but his personal life makes people wanna second guess him.....Gonna see it!
That was fucking funny dude.
I'd be insulted but that was funny. And you didn't really give me any fuel to fire back at you with. Clever bastard.
This guy is a star. Pure fried gold. He could be bigger than Jim Carey and Keanu Reeves combined, which sounds like an insult but it's not. The Pegg owns them both.
April 19, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST
by Chastain-86
Just two few years ago, the strongest thing one could say about Tom Cruise is that he was married to a beautiful woman that may or may not have been his beard. That's nothing new in Hollywood -- after all, there isn't a single beautiful person in Hollywood that hasn't defended the gay accusation. But in just the last year, the guy has conducted himself in a manner that can only be described as "unbefitting". He bickered with a network interviewer about the validity of drug addiction. He behaved like a high 16 year-old schoolboy on a nationally syndicated talk show. He's talked up his pseudo-religion at every turn. He's made strange edicts regarding the birth of his child. His in-laws have said publicly that they're "not happy" with their daughter's choice to become involved with him. He rails against an animated television show for parodying him, THEN threatens an advertising boycott against the network. Then, as if he wasn't firmly rooted enough on the Kooky Express Train, he talks about his desire to eat his baby's placenta and umbilical cord. Now admittedly, I'm not the biggest Tom Cruise fan this world has ever known... but I do enjoy some of his movies. That doesn't mask or make up for the fact that he's obviously batshit lunatic crazy, or brainwashed on some heavy religious pablum. And that's not "bitter envy" masked as anything. THAT, donkeypark, is identifying a duck by the look, sound, and walk of a duck.
Harry's track record is none too good on these big summer films...he seems too keen to anoint them as new modern classics. I am forced to consider his preposterously glowing review of that insufferable dog of a movie "War of The Worlds," of how it was a mind-boggling cinematic achievement in his review when it released...then, curiously, when it came time for Harry to release his long list of the best movies of the year, "War of The Worlds" was conspicuously absent. Now why is that I wonder? It's these sort of glaring inconsistencies that lower his credibility to where it currently is: miniscule. And as much as I enjoy Simon Pegg's performances in anything, this is yet another Tom Cruise flick that I will catch on cable in a about a year and be pleased I didn't go see it in a theater (if I even managed to make it through the whole thing).
Good morning Mr. Poster. On May 5th, 2006 a blockbuster action film is set for nationwide theatrical release. This such film is titled Mission: Impossible 3, Early word is thatMission: Impossible 3 (or MI3) makes for a good popcorn time at the movies. Unfortunately, the film stars none other than Tom Cruise. Mr. Cruise is an outspoken member of the church of scientology, an evil organization bent on scamming people out of their money in return for false hope. More information on the cult that is scientology can be found at http://scientomogy.com/lronhubbardjr.php. Tom Cruise has had a very successful track record at the box office. Every film he has made has grossed over 100 million dollars theatrically since Mission: Impossible 2. Mr. Cruise donates a portion of his check to the Church of scientology, and has publically stated that he will donate 25% of the money made from MI3 to said church. Our estimates put this in the eight figure range. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to send Tom Cruise and the church of scientology a statement by not going to either not going to see MI3 or sneaking into see it via any means necessary. Some may consider it immoral to sneak into a movie, but so is putting someone's money towards a cult against their will (or knowledge). Good luck poster, this talkbacker will be banned in five seconds
Tom Cruise is irritating. But so what? If this movie is good, count me in. Hoffman is a great actor and I personally and really looking forward to seeing him in a tough-guy role. THe first two movies sucked, but there's no reason to think that this one will, too. Different writer, director, different era for god's sake. This isn't really a sequel, it's just another attempt at making a good spy movie, and I for one hope it works.
'the first two movies sucked, but there's no reason to think this one will too' Actually it is...
I'm just messing with you. That is the same attitude I have. I *hope* that every movie will be good, however, bitter experience tells me that not all of them will be. And as I stated above the trailer for this looks great. Just like the first two movies...
and imm sick of tom cruise
Better than De Palma? Give me a fucking brake.
PG13 from the Alias guy better than Rated R. from Cameron? Please stop. I know we're waiting for some newbie to beat Cameron.. To teach that "sea loving" dude a lesson for abandoning us geeks, but lying doesn't make it so...
Dammit.
Remember the trailer for The Avengers?
The double whammy of Connery being in that and the sheer crapfest of what you thought would be a 'great blockbuster' almost killed you Cray-1. Didn't it? When will you learn...
every time Connery or one of those giant 'teddy bears' was onscreen. And what did you do then? Go out and buy League of Extraordinary Gentlemen!!!
In the scene where he gets blown into a car by an explosion, he should turn to the camera and say.. "This mission, just got a hell of a lot more impossibler...."... aaaaand 'scene'.... I've got chills....... (they're multiplying).
After he gets out , maybe someone could get tom takes his place and then pirahanas are released.....
Better than Goldeneye? The Living Daylights? The Spy Who Loved Me? Say what you want about the respective Bonds in those films, but any one of the movies beats TL hands down. (Don't get me wrong; I enjoyed TL -- Tom Arnold was funny and Cameron writes decent parts for women, but pleeeeeez. The terrorists were corny in 1994, much less in today's context.) Raising the offside flag on this call, Harry.
I heard he did and hope it's a lie. That takes him to a whole other level of fucked up.
I find it interesting that this is apparently one of the most hated movie around here. For those who complain its voer the top thats the freakin point. The movie is tongue in cheek. I would think you guys would figure that out WHEN HE RIDES A HORSE THROUGH A HOTEL AND UP AN ELEVATOR! Also the wife subplot is the best feature of the film instea d of just a straight action film its actually funny thank to a great performance by Curtis and witty screenwriting. If the trailers decieved you thats irrelevant. Camerons movies is what I wish all action films were.
seriously.....fucking......fuck.....seriously.....ass.....fuck....fuckin' a....... Harry, what is up with this review man? I got bored halfway through (hmm kinda like all the Mission Impossible movies)
sure, BOURNE SUPREMACY went for realism, but doesn't fact that it made $175M domestically now put it in the realm of Pop Spy Film'? TRUE LIES could quite easily be ranked as the Best Shit, Popcorn or Pop Spy Film if you like. I mean, just because there is a shoot-out on a bridge, Harry has to go masturbating about James Cameron. I don't get it. And before you strike SUPREMACY from the record, take a look at the clips for M:I:III - they have blatantly copied the visual style for the action scenes, albeit with a bit more color. If it was Joe Carnahan that had directed with shaky-cam, I would have allowed it. But J.J.? Well, let's just hope this will be the Best Shitty Pop Spy Film ...
feel free to explain his oh-so-brilliant Superman script that nearly derailed a new Superman movie getting made
i also didn't realize that this movie was about the International Monetary Fund. Weird, my thetans are vibrating.
What other dying franchise did Tom Cruise reinvigorate by daringly choicing one of your friends to work on it, Harry?
Thanks for the pre credit spoilers, cockface. Not that any one of us would want to go into a franchised sequel without anyone revealing plot points and screen shots, oh no no, see every movie has to be Revenge Of The Sith. And it's hard to take a review seriously when your all up on Tom's nutsack. Whatever, I'll be at Superman Returns!
gushing reviews for everything. Running scared is a sack of shit. Domino was a bag of wank. I really want MI:3 to be good but even if it was shit Harry'd act like it's the second coming. I'd appreciate a real review please, one that doesn't involve references to Harry's love life/ father/ nephew/ other projects etc
from SHH: http://tinyurl.com/rtptk
but has anyone seen my wife's placenta?" -tom cruise, the placenta hustler
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TomCruise/windup-katie.jpg so very true!!
Sweet. Thanks for the heads up, George. Sure, M:I:III is pure pop movie crap, but can anyone get past the fact that Tom Crooz makes a rear window shatter by bumping the side of a car? If he walks away from that uninjured, that's total bullshit. A stunt like that only adds to the creation of an invincible hero - which, for a spy film, does not help it. They could maybe have retitled the film Superman Returns.
To refuse to see a movie. I mean, Christ, who gives a shit who's in the damn thing? As long as he gives a good performance (which Tom Cruise is perfectly capable of doing, and you know it) and the movie itself is good, which it seems like this one will be, then who fucking cares? Stop being whiny little pricks and try actually watching a movie before you bash it.
Harry, don't compare your relationship to Tom Cruise's.
Seriously, the guy is brilliant.
...for keeping Katie the fuck out of BATMAN BEGINS 2.
she'll be in there. and BB doesnt survive repeat viewings...the dialogue in the first half hour is fucking terrible.
It's a great film. Dialogue? Blame David Goyer. I hope he's not writing number 2. Hasn't he got another awful Blade film to shoot?
If those fucking dogs get near Hunt, does he dropkick them?
Don't be so sure about that. Besides, I was trying to say something positive about Tom among all this hate and you go and ruin it.
Hurray finally the nasty side of aintitcoolnews comes out. Wondered how long it would take. So Im a moron for think Truw Lies is a great popcorn film. Thats really mature. Shows how leveheaded people are here. Oh adn batman begins is one of the bes t film of last year that works on r epeated viewings.
April 19, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST
by HypeEndsHere
thank you for allowing me to feel God's gift of shame.
I'm seriously spoiled I guess, but I don't care. I was kinda worried *ducks*, but after reading your review, I'm less so. Oh, it sounds like a great movie, and the thing I'm most happy about? Tom Cruise. And you, you save your review of him until the end, and well, that's why I'm all spoiled I guess. But, it's OK. It's good. I can enjoy these last few weeks before the movie comes out, and no matter what crazy crap they try to throw out there to take away from "Mission Impossible 3", I'll be confident that they will be proven wrong. Wait a minute - when does Tom dress like a priest? Because I really want to see that, *g*. A little moment probably, but it made me jump when I saw it in the trailer! Anyway, I'm rambling. Just, thank you, Harry, and Tom and J.J. and everyone. I wanted a team, and we got a TEAM. Yay! Also, "Suri" for Tom and Katie's baby - that's a lovely name. I'm so happy for them. :)
Go to http://latinoreview.com/filmpreview.php?id=135 and check out CLIP 3. It's Agent Tom Cruise. I'm going to enjoy this movie, no doubt, but I am going to be laughing at Tom on screen more often because of his new place in the media. I mean look at him - he's funny! CLIP 3!
Harry, I loved what you said about Tom looking like he's lived. I think he looks more gorgeous now, than ever. I love his mature look and my most favorite look? When he's not smiling. Just looking straight ahead. Intense. 'k, end of shallowness!
I dont know why I'm having to declare that.. guess cuz they're the two most popular movies in this MI3 TB.. and poopflingerzauis is a douchebag.
having a kid out of wedlock? Or rushing into marriage without BOTH partners fully understanding each other to help ensure that the marriage will be a success and any trauma that might be caused by a divorce is minimized? Or getting a divorce without first trying to work things out through therapy, I mean, "auditing"? Or making public claims about things which have no scientific basis? Or doing something illegal (like owning a sonogram machine without a medical prescription) and not owning up to it? Or not stressing the importance of basic education like graduating high school? Or not giving proper medical attention to those who need it (like kids with autism)? Or having a private investigator illegally wiretap an ex-wife? Or thinking that a silent birth is somehow normal and good for the kid while naming that kid "Sury" isn't going to cause other kids to make fun of her later on in life? Just wondering.
Naked Weapon. Nuff said. And she had a few badass scenes in Dragon Squad.
If people talk shit about a film as utterly brilliant as True Lies, they are only embarrassing themselves. Cameron is a genius and YOU are not.
How Maggie Q flashes the attendant who opens the door when she gets out of the car? He keeps a pretty straight face, too, considering. .....I'm sad. I know.
... is ALSO a genius. heheh.
that some funny shit Mr. Hype. But to my point. You gotta love Harry but man he loves everything. For him to not like something means that it has to REALLY be a complete piece of crap. This guys would watch a movie about German Kung-fu fighters battling it out with Icelandic, transvestite, cowboys. Of course provided there is a little S&M action. I have noticed his admiration for a little mipple pinching in his DVD picks. He is a good critic to make you aware of what you should not see, not necessarlily what you should see.
"having a kid out of wedlock", who the **** cares?!! My God/Xenu!
Harry gave an incredibly scathing review to the punisher(2004), and while the movie is not that bad, it is INFINITELY better than the crap he backed up like Van Helsing, Armageddon, Alexander, Matrix 2 and 3, etc. In fact, I still think the only logical explanation for him liking that movie was that it opened the same day as his friend QT's Kill Bill 2. So whenever Harry hates something, I tend to like the movie more.
Harry also liked Godzilla 2000 the first time he saw it.
Godzilla 1998 i mean
April 20, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST
by Undead Neverhood
is crap. Its stuff like that that causes people to pay 8,000 dollars for one of John Wayne Gacey's crappy clown paintings. I'm sick of Tom Cruise. I've had enough of Tom Cruise's craziness to last ten lifetimes, and I won't spend another penny supporting him and his career.
No question about it.
Wasn't "Hostel"s Eli Roth a 'geek director' ? Wasn't King Kong's Jackson a "geek director"? Didn't Harry praise Guillermo Del Toro as a "geek director" and "fan" of the Hellboy comic? I worry when I hear Harry praising a movie for it's "geekiness" because I know what geek/fans produce when they get a chance to - endless regurgitations of their favorite moments in movies they've watched, and no real sense of how to make a movie seem like it's a story unto itself. Name any truly worthwhile movie and you won't hear the sobriquet (or epithet) "geek director".
Seriously, in my opinion this was the worst James Cameron film ever. I believe Cameron has a problem when it comes to a human antagonist. If it's some other lifeform, or say AI, the guy is on top of his game. But people antagonist, he sucks ass. The baddies in True Lies were such caricatures of the real thing. I was like, oh man, fucking stereo-types, wonderful. yeah it had a few cool action scenes, but the premise, the villians, it just didn't do it for me. I HATE TRUE LIES. now that said, how much I trust Harry's opinion about Mission Impossible III, based on his lovefeast for a shitty D level action movie...not very much.
I'm a dick. But more importantly, what the fuck did I ever do to you? Guess a dick can't point out the incredibly staggeringly huge ego that it takes for an actor to open a movie with five minutes of vanity scenes of rock climbing anymore. Wake me when this cunt grows some balls.
I liked the first half of the movie very much... I was practically jerking off to that first half, thinking the movie rocked. Then the second half started (around the time he gets the suit) and it went downhill. Sad. Oh, and MI3 will do well at the box office. Even with people shitting on Cruise, he is always good and he brings people to the theater.
I'm trying to understand what the hell movies people are comparing Batman Begins & True Lies to on this talkback. I'm coming up blank. TL is right up there with Goldeneye & MI:1 as the best action you will find from the mid-90's.
THE Connery James Bond beater. Bill Paxton was incredibly funny. Jamie Lee was total goddess, and her striptese scene had me salivating. Tom Arnold stole the show. Elisa Dushku even had good scenes in this mega-budgeted popcorn flick. Schwarzenegger has a tremendous presence in all his films. Art Malik played a meancing villain-- very bin Ladenesque. The film correctly predicted 9/11-level terrorism. Despite much criticism from Islamic groups saying Cameron was singling them out, the Oscar winner proved prophetic picking the right nationality/religious base. The film's stunt sequences are legendary. Feminist groups picketed the film saying Jamie Lee's scene degraded women. I think the role of Helen Tasker is Ms. Curtis's finest. James Cameron is the man. He is a renaissance man, larger-than-life, a genius, and the most driven perfectionist the world has ever known. I love his films. I rank his six directorial efforts from best to worst as follows: The Abyss S.E., The Terminator, Aliens Director's Cut, True Lies, T2, and finally that boat flick. Only director I know who can say his WORST film won 11 Oscars and had 14 nominations. Even the great Peter Jackson's 11 Oscar effort ranks higher than his worst.
Sorry, but I just cannot believe that MI3 is THAT good a movie. From what I've seen in the trailer, the film seems to be suffering from the same problem that ruined the first two installments for me: the lack of humour. What made the old James Bond movies great was Sean Connery's sarcastic facial expression. What made Indiana Jones the best action hero of all times (you didn't even mention the guy)was...well, the humour.
And this talkback is the exact reason why nobody in Hollywood bothers reading this site anymore.
I think "Sury" will get slagged off more for having a gay dad than having a stupid name.
She was the one who started all of this name business in the 80s Peaches blossom, pixie, Fifi trixbelle and are final daughter called Heavenly Hirani tiger lilly. Actaully now that I come to think about it, most have you have heard of Dido. You want her full name. Florian Cloud De Bounevialle Armstrong. Her brother rollo is the founder of the group faithless. One day her mother threw out the TV, so Dido and her brother, missed all the major world events. Didos mother also banned her daughter from bringing any friends from school home.
What a terrible piece of writing. I'm sure you can go back and find similarly positive Harry reviews of the first two MI movies despite what he says here. Anyone want to spearhead that?
Get an editor. "I didn
So I guess Harry liked this film, and that He wants to marry Phillip Seymore Hoffman! Should be worth a look I guess!
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=6044 - Although I rather liked it.
This movie is going to make $$$$$$$
I think Cruise is a weird crazy-@ss MF but is he gay? Out of all the rumors, I find that one hard to believe because he's been with so many hot women for such a long time. I mean, can you be with Nicole Kidman for 10 years and be gay? Not that there's anything wrong with it. And why aren't Katie's parents in an uproar over her being with Crazy Cruise and joining Scientology?
That's because you're girlfriend's younger than his.
I'll follow NeotheLessar's advice. Hope you do too...
Two reviews so far - Two raves. Combs is not the easiest guy to please, so this is starting to look good. The great thing about the M:I series that each director brings their own personality to the series. I'm interested to see Abrams' take on it.
You mean the little guy who plays the head of every alien race in star trek?
For anyone interested in following Neothelessar's advice: http://www.boycottmi3.com/
Just because they hang out with 'hot chicks' doesn't mean anything. Also for being married to women he has so far not had any children with them, until he convinced Katie to turkey baste L Ron's seed...
Here: http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/archives/2006/04/bunny_rabbit_i.php#COLUMN2
God knows why I had "Combs" in my head... Of course I meant Jeffrey WELLS, who is known to many internet movie geeks. I guess I have to go on a Star Trek diet...
Exhibit A) The Aquaf@g TB. It just means us geeks are in a froth to get some 'cool' news...
April 20, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST
by quadrupletree
Sorry but I hope this movie fails terribly. I don't think we should reward this moviemaking team with box office success. Harry may think it's great, but he also thought Godzilla with matthew Broderick was great too. He may be able to forgive Cruise for his love induced jack-assery, but not me. And I think the American audience is going to agree with me, but I could be wrong. And JJ Abrams' cock teasing story telling will not go unpunished either. This is a rental for me!!
A critic for the radio station wzaa in New York saw a press screening for the film and was talking about it quite a bit the other day. He said **SPOILER** that in the first act of the film, Hoffman's character kidnapps Hunt and his girlfriend, and he kills her right there. Then the movie goes into flashbacks to show exactly how everything got to that point **END SPOILER**. He said he loved the film. I wrote a countdown of what I think will be the top five movies this summer, and this one is included. If interested check out this blog- http://sanidelf.blogspot.com/
You know it
I can wait for the Netflix rental.
what lunacy surrounding your private life harry? There is absolutely nothing that rankles me more, than overpaid and overblown actors complaining about media intrusiion, cruise is where he is down to himelf and nothing more. if you act like an ass, people will think youre an ass. anyway from the internet very few have actually heard of you harry and even those who do do not rate you as a reviewer anymore. if you cant stand the heat get your ass out the kitchen. but dont moan about the minisucle interest people have in your "private life".
In that people will continue to bitch about him while he cleans up at the box office. Seriously, it sounds like most of you "haters" need to watch a little less Entertainment Tonight. And to the tackbacker who posted a boycott MI3 petition above congratulations, you've officially become Magnolia fan from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Long live the Cruise, for he has never failed to deliver on the big screen.
Was a great movie. Sorry, but deal with it. Word to your motherhatin' mothers.
I wouldnt be surprised if some Scientology church staffers were order to come here and post "Long Live the Cruise". Btw, Tom's character in Magnolia wasnt half-bad. I would say it was his best perfomance, maybe a little too close to reality.
going to be called "Suri Cruise"? Kind of like Syracuse? Can Katie be anymore gullible???
Meaning, she gets to screw the man that used to adorn a movie poster on her bedroom wall, she gets preggers by this guy, she is willing to convert from Catholicism to Scientology, and is having a wedding "shotgun-style". Methinks Tom's Thetan level powers also include hypnosis.
Between him and Gere we have it made.
It doesn't matter who directs it. When Tom Cruise is starring in it it's a wimp movie.
why the fuck am I looking forward to this film now I mean really think about it, some of my greatest franchises have sequels out this year (yes I love the guys in spandex) kevin smith is releasing the sequel to my favourite ever film and I think the second MI is the joint worst film (along with charlies angels two which on consideration is probably the worst ever film in it's own right) however ignoring all that the fact that one of my personal heroes Mr Simon Pegg himself is appearing and that that guy who had something to do with alias and lost is the one taking the orders from the short Mr C somehow makes me think this could rock my world
... It's hot right now. The vivid colors pop off the screen. The high flying explosions remind you of fun at the summer movies. It is only two weeks away. The first two had all the makings, and now this seems like the correct mixture between the two. I'm not digging too much of the dialogue yet, but Hoffman is looking EVIL in the few clips I've watched. This is a film that isn't interested in anything but entertainment, without insulting your intelligence. Sure, I'll give it a shot. Everything is looking solid enough. At best, it will be memorable, and at worst it'll be better than the first two.
... I also have to agree. It was freakin' painful to watch. The sound mix was so loud it hurt my hearing for that evening. Sheesh.
I read this thinking, "He's forgetting someone, but so am I." Then I realized who. The Bourne flicks! I'm glad to see that others hear have reached the same conclusion. I just remember laughing through the first MI film, it was so over the top. The second was even worse, with the motorcycle duel in which the bikes blatantly changed tires to suit the terrain. You don't want to be in the theater if I go see MI:3 because I'll be laughing out loud non-stop. Sit far away!
The portrayal of muslims is just shameful.
there's tons of racist crap. who cares?
April 20, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST
by HypeEndsHere
http://tinyurl.com/q9kbw
There's nothing he talks about that you can't get out of the trailer.
Harry is a filmscoop god.
http://apc.thetma.com/ R rated Ren & Stimpy action. Hilarious! THIS dvd set excites me more than 10 Tom Cruise films.
*****Is there a couch in this movie? If so, does it get jumped?
...Then Fingers His Anus, Wipes Off the Spooge, Makes Him a Sandwich and Draws Him a Bubble Bath. I can't tell whether this is sheer corruption, or Harry is just still starstruck. Either way, this movie is bound to suck rubber donkey dicks. Abrams is terrible, Alias is terrible, MI3 will be beyond terrible.
the whole South Park thing sure as fuck DOES. This is the way it is: you interfere with something I enjoy, you make my personal, permanent blacklist. I'll be seeing the film for sure, but i'll be buying tickets for another movie instead. Probably The Benchwarmers, out of spite for Cruise's utter bullshit.
seriously-head over to comingsoon.net-they have loads of featurettes. I love the fact that this movie is teamwork driven and not just a cruise machine. and theres a great lip-reading moment that made me laugh. gonna be great. And for the record, I didnt mean I didnt like BB-although I prefer 89, its just that some of the liam neeson dialogue should have went on the cutting room floor-felt too much like a comic book-really pulled me out of the movie. and yes I do know batman begins was a comic book movie-but thats exactly it...you gotta make some changes for it to work...otherwise you end up with "those eyes! those horrible yellow eyes!!!" etc. the whole thing is quite funny considering how the whole point of the comic book was to emulate a movie and now movies are emulating comic books.....
If you live in LA, then chances are I'll be the only guy in the theater laughing louder than you. Mark my words, I'll see this but I am seriously not paying for it. I'll be sneaking into the theater while humming the mission impossible theme in my head.
I'm no prude, but did it have to be so profane? I'm British so swearing really dioesn't bother me but when reading a review for a film that i'm quite excited about I want to read about the film, not read the text version of a cumshot.
Mainly to see if they even revert a little bit back to the formula that made the show a hit. I like Cruise. I think he cares about the movies he makes for the public. He seems to really get involved on all levels. What he does in his personal life is his own business. Still, it is hard to see him up on the big screen sometimes especially when his antics take full swing. I enjoyed the other MI movies.I hope this is the best of the three. Would be nice to end on a home run instead of a double.
tom on oprah, its not that bad just very cheesy. I dont see what all the fuss is about. and as for the whole psychiatry thing..i actually watched the interview today, and its not that bad. it could very well be a valid point, granted to dismiss psychiatry as a "psuedo-science" is a bit rich, but I dont necessarily disagree with his views on anti-depressants/psychotic drugs. its just a shame he never fully explained his reasoning behind his standpoint other than "the ideal scenario is not to be on drugs, I dont believe that psychiatry offers enough reason to justify that change." or something to that effect. okay so it might make him a bit tactless but hes entitled to his viewpoint, which he claims to have had before scientology- and its a view point that isnt entirely unreasonable in the grander scheme of things. I never thought I'd be defending cruise, and I'm not saying hes not foolish, but the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. the way some people talk it's as if hes the fucking anti-christ. I for one will be seeing this for sure-fuck the haters. and as for scientology-well, I dont know enough about it to pass judgement-but as out-there as it seems to be, it's not hurting anyone except those who decide of their own free will to join. again, he might be gullible-but the point im generally making is that hes not some dangerous wacko, or like michael jackson but without the paedophelia.
But "Miss Honey" sure can act. So what if he is a closeted Scientologist Homo who likes to jump on couches. He was great in both "Collateral" and "War of the Worlds". I'm sure this movie will blow the other weak MI movies away. But I still have a grudge against JJ Abrams for shitting on Alias to make this movie. So I may skip it and see it on cable down the line.
Seriously dude. Inform yourself about what Scientology really is. Or go to Wikipedia. Its creepy stuff that you'd think is right out of the movies, but man, its real. The whole "we're just another religion and let us be" line is just a front. Wheels within wheels :)
rubbed it out to jj after this movie?
...well that would explain his dislike of psychiatry then! I was aware of pretty much all of the content, xenu,thetans etc- *not clams though!?* although was surprised to hear that scientoligists werent allowed into britain up until 1980. Don't get me wrong-I consider scientology a cult, and it is clearly madness....but I don't cite this as a reason to boycott cruises movies-hes obviously more of a victim than anything. and if anyone goes into one of those tents they deserve what they get. a fool and his money are easily parted and all that shit....!
as he doesnt start mass-preaching on world-wide television of course. Personally, I think there must be some sort of legal way that this cult can be disbanded-scientology would make a seriously fucked up and great movie though
Boy, when I think of that interrogation scene w/ Jamie Lee Curtis in the middle of the film, I think "entertainment"! Harry, you're ridiculous. And I'm willing to bet this means M:I:III is awful, too.
Yeah, there will be a bigger budget and more locations in MI:3 but Jack Bauer wouldn't even bother making Ethan Hunt his bitch.
Even though I'm sick of Tom and don't want to support his work, he keeps making movies that I want to see, so I'll be seeing this despite him. Also, Harry, reading your reviews is kind of a chore. Please, try to use the proper grammar and a spell check!
Cruise is an action star, he can also act. Sure he has enourmous ego, what major star doesnt. If you think Cruise is crazy in the coconut, listen to this, every night at 10pm Shirley MacLaine goes down to her back garden and waits for the little green men to come and have a talk...... Maclaine is deadly serious about all of this and Janet Jackson used to have coffee crystals shoved up her, ok you get the picture, Siegfried and Roy, they sleep with dangerous animals and dyan cannon had a white padded cell which she would go into everyday and scream and beat, but so would you if you were married Cary Grant and then there is Tony and Cherie Blair, who on the eve of thier wedding anniversary role around naked in the mud. In a brilliant book by Jon Ronson called them adventures with etremists. He explored the theory that the world is controlled by a group a very powerfull men and every year the choose a location, have a game of golf, late at night they take part in a ritual that involves them dressing up in togas and dancing around a stone statue of a giant owl........
anyone else have trouble believing harry's reviews anymore after star wars and such?
The Mormons, The Aguarians, jevohas witnesses, the tony quinn organisation, opus dei, OHM shin rikio and alqaeda/the taliban, the bush administration and SF/IRA, the DUP/free presbyterians, Falun Gong(dangerous according to the Chinese govt) Christian scientists.
I can see where your coming from anchorite and if you wish not to see this movie because of the stars involvement with a questionable cult, then of course thats your own decision which I would respect. however its not one I would share (at this stage) as a valid one i.e I'm not of the opinion that comparing the "belief" structure of scientology to nazi-fascism is a valid one-I dont perceive scientology to be anywhere near as wayward- theres a big difference between the promotion of an ayrian race through systematic mass muder and a return to a "golden era" through destructive means to believing you evolved from a clam!!!!!
This director is producing it.
however I am still inclined to believe that anyone other than hubbard himself has been a victim of this scam.....but then again i'm an idealist!..... Some interesting points are raised about the susceptibility of celebrities on the internet-and the pro-active targeting of them by this organisation. perhaps it is due to the apparently special treatment they recieve from the "church" that keeps their eyes closed to the less appealing aspects of this "religion"? using celebs is a very insidious and disturbing manner of promotion indeed-but this does not technically make the celebrities themselves knowing propagandists. they just so happen to be celebrities-don't get me wrong- I am not a fan of scientology by any means. However, I dont know enough about the inner-workings of it and am very wary of basing an opinion solely from information gained on the internet. As for the parallel you have drawn with (is it Josepf? or is my memory crap?) Goebbels,I do not know enough about the formation of the nazi party to even stab at having an opinion!!!.... although have studied propaganda as part of my graphic design degree...and am aware of just how effective their propaganda machine was. I may be mistaken, but goebbels was a designer for the nazi party? and thus a contributor to their growth. whether goebbels was a believer of his message or not, victim or not, that I dont know. essentially I'm saying that I wouldnt regard cruise as the de-facto propagandist as you see him. I have not heard/read of him actively try to persuade anyone to convert to his "religion." and if so, then he is probably deluded into thinking that it has benefited his life and will so others. my instincts/character judgement of cruise is that he is not some calculating evil mastermind but a relatively harmless and at times tactless celebrity. surely he's more likely to keep people AWAY from scientology rather than attract them?-especially seeing as a worryingly large number of americans get all their information from celebrites*,ambassador cruise may be a good thing? *btw thats not an attack on america in general-theres a number of factors that lead to my perception being this way-larger population, an unevenly handed/ funded education system,celebrity culture,less neutrality in news broadcasting etc etc.... so again, its not likely that I will boycott MI3 or jump on the cruise is evil bandwagon. i dont regard him in such a way that it would make me deprive myself of what looks like a great film. i think he is a talented actor-in fact, my favourite film of all time stars tom cruise. BUT at the same time- he should be certainly be more responsible in what he condones -(especially considering the individuals who believe everything that comes out of a celebrities mouth is accurate etc) he needs to get himself a publicist! thanks for that tb anchorite-quite enjoyed finding out what my opinon was on cruise-better than I thought it was tbh. if MI3 is good you should just catch it on tv dude....
that scientology was the reason behind the kidman/cruise split as well. its not surprising that kidman never spoke out-especially seeing how some of these nutters are alot less benelovent than cruise and go to dangerous lengths to silence those that criticise their "religion"....man, its creepy stuff...guess thats the downside to having all the money and time in the world...being so desparate to fill it with further meaning youre likely to believe any old crap. well thats my two cents....
were the drving force behind his Superman script getting thrown out. Not that I have a problem with that. True Lies is James Cameron's worst film and I'm so glad that the sequel talk about a True Lies 2 was in fact a lie.
...kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda kinda KINDA. Jesus.
maybe fire will break the spell? wake up indy waake up! uncalled for geek references aside,;)I'd imagine the secrecy surrounding scientology is the fact that it would sound preposterous coming out of anyone's mouth.I would look into scientology more but honestly? cults come and go, and I wouldnt want to waste my time reading that nonsense. the whole clam thing is really quite amusing tho....
...and no I'm not a scientologist. I'm Christian. And I can tell you that statement brings a lot of fucking baggage with it. Hey, Jeffrey Dahmer was a Christian. Checking out websites that are designed with the sole purpose of making something look as bad as possible does not make you an expert or even close to educated on the subject. I've been threatened and lost jobs for not hanging out with co-workers or agreeing with them on everything. Does that make all coffee shops/concrete factories/shoe wharehouses cults of evil that brainwash you? And if you can't be bothered to research something then why There are loonies everywhere in life. Even on talkbacks. BOO!
It was supposed to say "...why talk about it." By the way... My Mom thinks I'm going to hell because I don't agree with her view of Christianity and my Dad (who belongs to another branch) believes the world is 6000yrs old and constantly tries to convince me of this fact. Good thing Jesus loves me anyway huh?
Now that was a damn good post.
It was a bizarre five minutes. Basically told me I was overstressed because their "stress meter" said I was. That stress meter? It was something you old on to, the harder you held, the higher the readout was. Firm grips do not mean stress, my friends. Ridiculous. Besides, Scientology is far to young to be considered legitimate. People are hypocritical like that. Things can be supernatural and unrealistic, but since they happened in ancient times it's ok. Come talk to me about Scientology in 2000 years and we'll take it from there. Now, however, it is a cult. The secrecy, the punishments, the intense hivemindedness. Cult. Cult. Cult.
Indeed.
How awesome is that animation of Harry demolishing the car?
And I thought it was kind of snazzy, but I'm not married to Superman canon, so the changes didn't bother me.
...because the whole reason I'm on here is to talk to people about a mutual love of movies but since this is a MI:3 talkback we can't help but get sidetracked on the topic of Cruise Madness and Scientology can we? I wasn't taking a personal stab at you Anchorite. I was making a general statement about the type of people who "hear" or "read it somewhere" and then vehemently argue about the chosen topic without any real knowlege or understanding. And while I see your side of the argument I have to point out that certain statements have been made and accepted on this site without being challenged. Statements that seem cute and acceptable but are really the same old attitudes of hate and bigotry popping up for another round. Stating that "it is the modus operandi of Scientology" to break up families is not stating a fact. It is an opinion disguised as a fact. In line with statements like "All Jews are evil moneygrubbers and their M.O. is world domination" or "It is the inherent nature of black people to steal". Now because those statements are obvious bigotry they're easy to spot. But like you said "if it quacks like a duck" right? Bigotry is bigotry. Period. Just because you point the bigotry cannon at a "crazy cult" doesnt make it anything less.
"ask questions and seek answers before judging" without being antagonistic donkeypark had you followed your own advice you would have realised that, by reading my previous posts with anchorite, that I have come to an opinion which is not indefinate and I too am sceptical of information on the internet. I believe that I was able to hold my own in the conversation but to have taken it further would have required more research on my part.(namely about cruise being the de facto propagandist for the church) The reason for which I did not wish to research any further, is that I have no problem with my opinions remaining flexible and am open to suggestion- Of course this may be hard to understand as a christian...seeing as yours is the one true god right? *see I can jump to conclusions about people being bigots too* I also have more pressing things to do at this point but will look into it at more depth when I have that amount of time on my side.
I don't think I misunderstood anyone and I think I had a valid point. I'm not jumping to conclusions about bigotry. I'm stating that certain comments that have been made on here are either bigotry or dangerously close. Every single one of us has been guilty of coming out with strong opinions about subjects we know little about. I've been guilty myself. I'm not even saying go study up on it, I'm saying don't be so judgemental if you are unsure. Nobody (in their right mind)accuses the Catholic church of making child molestation their M.O. right? But you can see how easy it would be to make an offhand remark about it. And as far as the Christian comment? I think you would have to admit that allowing myself that label on this talkback shows some balls. Considering all of the assumptions/judgement (from others) that come with it. People look at me like I'm under some evil spell.(btw, Indy reference? LMAO). The point I'm trying to make is there is always an odd man out who we chose to throw rocks at. Example: the buck-toothed Chinaman still appears in Hollywood films. He's just dressed up as the Indian convenience store clerk and we still laugh AT him. There is still a great need to understand ourselves and our own motivations. I know that comment can be taken as pompus and condescending but it is not my intention. It is a scrutiny I subject my own feelings and opinions to and I'm just putting it out there so please don't take offense. By the way... I'm stoked on MI:3!!!
Furthermore, I would add that Scientology is built upon a glaring contradiction, some might even say hypocrisy: its secrecy. Scientologists, like Tom Cruise, seem to want it both ways; they desire to proselytize to the masses (sometimes on national television) and yet desire to maintain their cocoon of secrecy via gag contracts, lawsuits, and in some cases, blackmail. Even setting their methods aside, one is left with an obvious question: why? Why believe in this faith? Why does this faith exist? And of course, when Tom Cruise, and others like him, is put to these questions amid their speeches, affirmations, criticisms of others
and do agree. intolerance has always stemmed from a lack of understanding and the fear of the unknown. However there is a substantial difference between racial intolerance and not approving of a persuasive cult. whilst I still know comparatively little about the manner in which scientology members are treated by their "church," on this particular issue,scientology doesn't appear to be doing anyone any good on the surface. the beliefs of scientologists stem from the writings of L Ron Hubbard- a sci-fi writer who had a questionable past. the members of this cult have my sympathy if they truly believe their souls *"thetans"* were contamininated by the remnants of exploded alien souls that were destroyed 75 million years ago in volcanoes and that psychiatry was brought to earth by evil aliens. not to mention the fact that these "teachings" were written by a sci-fi writer,but written as recently as the 1950's! you would have to agree that Scientology is clearly fantasy. I have always shared the attitude that "whatever gets you through the night is alright." but if these beliefs are destroying people's lives-isn't our inaction as equally wrong as bigotry? your attitude is commendable and in line with christianity but should we tolerate something that is clearly absurd and possibly harmful,even to it's members? if the nature of this cult is brought to public light,and that's all that I would ask, then we may be able to help those that have been entrenched. I agree with anchorite in that there is a great deal of secrecy surrounding this cult-and thats understandably worrying.heaven forbid something much worse happens in the future-who knows what manner of things scientology perpetrates? it is also alarming that scientologists were considered dangerous by the british government and not allowed to enter the country until the 80's. surely there must have been an enquiry that informed this decision? it's food for thought. ultimately-I consider myself a tolerant person and I believe that anchorites concern,whilst over-zealous maybe, is in this case valid. and I'm dying to see this movie!!!!
Fuck Abrams. Though I didn't know Simon Pegg was in this. Now I'll see it.
Let it be known that my tolerance is not indiference as you will see by the tale about to unfold. Phase One - Infiltration: In between posts I decided to make use of such a sunny Saturday by infiltrating the den of evil known to talkbackers everywhere as The Church of Scientology. Sorry to dissappoint but there was no Bourne wall scaling action. I walked in the front door Bond style! And being that I'm a fuckin' super sleuth I'm pretty sure that nobody suspected me! (Harry and Co. it is your duty to protect freedom by keeping my identity a secret! Hope no scientologists are on staff.) If I start spouting scientology rhetoric on future talkbacks that means they got to me! I will need the dedicated support of all my fellow talkbackers if the mission is to succeed. Misnomer I'll be counting on you for the flaming torch! You will have to be sneaky and trick me into revealing my true identity. (If rumours are true asking to get together and construct a spaceship in the backyard might work so keep it in mind.) Back to the Mission: I walked in the front door and played it like Connery. Cool as a cucumber. I spoke to the girl at the front desk who seemed a little hostile so I losened her up with some small talk. Note: when in spy mode and dealing with women, compliments regarding clothing or hairstyle are excelent tools of the master sleuth arsenal. I made a slight mistake by asking about the possiblity of a refund for my ticket to Battlefield Earth. (WARNING TO ALL AGENTS:Don't do this if trying to infiltrate the church!) I did a quick cover up by saying I was joking and stating that it was actually my favourite movie! Whew! Close call! The girl at the front desk then invited me over to her house to watch it on DVD and since I figured Bond might be okay with slammin' some sweet scientolotang in an attempt to secure freedom for all I agreed and we have a date for tomorrow night. If I uncover ANY evil plot you guys all owe me bigtime for sitting through that fucking movie again. Unless I get a hummer. A really GOOD hummer. No teeth. So with the confidence that the infiltration was off to a good start I expressed great interest in the book Dianetics by L.R.H. which apparently sends a signal into some dark shady backroom because a new higher ranking minion of the female persuasion appeared in a doorway and a new dance of deception began. And what a dance it was! This lady was good. Never fear lads. I switched from the Connery lady killer into the Dalton hard as nails under questioning Bondmode and the game was mine. I even managed to pocket a copy of Dianetics without being noticed!(slick huh? I'll go back and pay for it if they are determined to be innocent of charges at the end of my mission) MI6 recruiters please take note. I'm that fuckin' good. Cut to Sunday Morning: I will now enjoy my morning coffee and closely scrutinize every page of this dark tome. I know what you're all thinking. Don't read it! The book is evil!!! But I will read it. I must. And I will follow this mission to the bitter end for the good of all mankind. Do not fear for my safety brothers. I have Jesus on my side. This post will self-destruct in five seconds.
They're passive aggressive, that's what makes them so creepy and sinister. At that "stress test" earlier, they would slip these hints into the conversation about how sad it must be to be away from home (we lived in PA and were in LA for only a few months), and how hard life must be on our own, and shit like that, basically TRYING to upset/stress you but being obvious about it. THEN they try to sell you their book when you start to fall for their shit. They prey on the weak, and that's disgusting.
While I certainly agree that Scientology is a whacked out cult, I find it odd that some are saying its a cult based on its relative newness. Was Christianity a cult until 2000 years of bloodshed gave it respectability? What's the difference between believing in Galactic Emperor Xenu and believing in this "God" who is the master of the Universe and everybody's bestest buddy? I think Tom's 'round the bend, but I also think that a lot of people who see the mote in his eye are missing the beam in their own. The passage of a few thousand years doesn't make a whacked out fantasy real. Your proxemity to the origin of a religion in time does not make it more looney than your own.
Look, I think you are also guilty of of the same things you are accusing various Tb'ers of doing. Yes, many of the posters here arent using the established definition of cult when applying that term to Scientology. However, you appear to misuse the cult label as well. A cult is defined as, "A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader." Now, who or what determines extremism are, of course, social norms. Going by this definition, which is THE textbook definition (Sociology, haughton Mifflin), you cannot apply cult status to Christianity and other major religions. Certainly, to SECTS of faiths, but not mainstream faiths themselves. Now, I understand you wish to justify your statement by proclaiming that Christianity has cultist roots, but that is an over simplification as certain sects of christianity had no cult-like behaviors. A fundamental aspect of cults is their secrecy (often running counter to their proseltyzation) and sepperation of its members from all past social bonds, such as family and friends. Now, I understand that most people, you included, fail to define cults properly. The word has been bandied about as a term of derission for all those of opposing belief. However, that does not mean you are any less guilty than others here in this TB in ill-defining the term.
You conveniently only bother with Websters Number THREE definition. Try reading the rest of it. And my point is that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all as freakin' batty as Scientology... only instead of having strangers recruit us, most of us had our parents shovel the crap into our heads from the start.....so here's the WHOLE definition.................................. Main Entry: cult Pronunciation: 'k< Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate
Vynson, I believe you conveniently failed to notice i was citing the TEXTBOOK definition, as it pertains to sociology (the relative subject, i would assume), not other definitions concerning other subjects.
Considering that I'm not talking about psychology. The term, vynson, is SOCIology. You know, to wouldnt hurt to pay attention to others' posts before shouting out your elementary, and rather prejudiced, "retorts."
aintitsociology.com? Dude, you responded to me. I was not having a strict sociology discussion, though I would assert that even in that study, the other definitions of the word have a place and that the context of the discussion must be examined before one jumps to any conclusions or insistences on which definition is to be applied. I was mouthing off about religion. My context was clear. You accused me of shitting up the semantics which is clearly not the case. If you wish to dispute the dictionary definition, again, I must refer you to Webster. If you just want to point out that you have a Sociology textbook or that you have taken such a course... fine. Note, however, that a definition of a cult that depends on the majority view at the time is dependent on deviance from the "norm" as a factor and is a bit of a cop-out based on the fact that most of the people who've been writing sociology texts for some time are believers in one Abrahamic religion or the other and don't want to define a cult as the religion to which they belong... and note that the one truly universal trait of cults is that people who are in cults never ever call their own cult a cult. The bottom line is that a cult is just what the big church calls the little church.
Riiiight. Muslims believe that if they die in a Holy War they go to Paradise which is pretty much an orgy of non-secreting virgins. Christians believe that, no matter what heinous crimes they may have committed... child murder... rape... anything... that the execution of a guy 2000 years ago makes it square. Scientology believes in thetans and Xenu and e-meters and crap. I fail to see where any of them is more, or less whacked than the others. And they all really want to take as much money from idiots as possible. When I'm deciding to see a movie, I don't generally consider the religious views of the actors. I am more disturbed by Comedy Central's recent bouts of "pussing out" and am interested in the rumored connection to MI:3. I've thought about skipping the movie, but Harry makes it sound good. I liked the first. Thought the second was strictly a one-viewing popcorner.
Just kidding dude. In all seriousness I have made some similar accusations towards religions including my own. But I have to ask. The message "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" What's so crazy about that? Sorting out the way you feel about the world and how you chose to be a part of it is your own path. Just try to be a little less prickly to other people on the path. And don't kick sand at the people sitting by the side of it. That's just mean.
that is started by a friend of alistair crowleys, claims that jesus liked young boys and is secretive not only to others but to it's members (the ot level system that is designed to slowly edge its members in) is a cult. For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure (he) has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred.... You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting.... No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway ... this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light-bearer" or "light-bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment.... My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period. -- L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII Series I
By the LRH tag at the bottom I'm assuming a quote began in there somewhere? I'm having a hard time distinguishing your ideas from what you are attributing to LRH. Would you mind clarifying?
So are you trying to stomp on them now? What myth are you trying to disabuse Christians of? Jesus was really a gay man prone to fits of rage? Fuck me my beliefs have been shattered. Well thanks for that. Now I can go on that killing spree I've been holding back on. It just bums me out that the trend of the day is to find fault in everything and then pass it off as wisdom and intelligence. "Um, well, like I heard that Jesus was a child molester?" LMAO. Put the crack pipe down son.
Misnomer was just copy-pasting, but the talkbacks kill all new line tags, apparently. But yeah, it was Hubbard. See the South Park episode for the full story, but basically what Hubbard believed is that all our ideas about jesus, buddha, mohammed, etc, were "implants" that were inserted in disembodied alien souls 75 million years ago by evil Emperor Xenu, to confuse them. These alien souls, or thethans are inside of us, hence, our belief in Jesus, Buddha, etc etc. Of course, if you ask any low level scientology about the Xenu story, they'll clam up (no pun intended, maybe), because they truly havent heard it. The Xenu story is reserved for the OT III level of scientology, something that is invitation-only, costs a huge load of money, and is only offered after years of brainwashing, (in other words, when he's "pot-comitted"). Thats the only way you can tell someone about Xenu and have him believe it. And you know what? I have no problem with anyone at all wishing to believe in Xenu! Whatever floats your boat man! The problem I have with scientology, is about their coercion, mind control, isolation from society, selling false hopes, very literally so, and acting like a quasi-mafia when it comes to silencing their critics. Thats what I object to. The aliens story? I couldnt care less what they want to believe.
Are you seriously suggesting that most Sociologists are religious? Bwahahahaha! Son, go to school. I mean it, just go to school. I'm not even going to lose more time of my life attempting to debate you--just go to school.
Taking a condescending attitude is not a rebuttal, sir. Clearly you have no further insight to add so you substitute attitude for content. Perhaps you might want to study religion a bit yourself. Scientology, while certainly a destructive movement has a ways to go before it catches up to the damage Catholicism has done. Alas donkeypark may not be thrilled with that statement, but I daresay it isn't the most prickly thing ever posted in a talkback. But I'm just not of a mind to coddle and pretend that religious faith is sane. If someone insisted that 2 + 2 = 5 we wouldn't bother pretending to "respect their opinion." Why is it that every nut claiming the creator of the universe as their best buddy demands to have the notion respected? People are free to believe whatever they want, of course, but I'm not going to pretend such myths are a valid alternative to reason.
Look, I appologize for laughing at you, but the fact is you are assuming I am somehow supporting religion based upon my desire for accurate terminology. Furthermore, you seem to equate cult with religion, which defies logic. Yes, cults are often religious in nature, but not all religions are cultist in nature. Dont you see that? Yes, I agree, religion demands that you set aside reason concerning origin of rules/law, but that is not in and of itself cultist behaviot. There are a lot of other criteria that have to be met in order for a group to be considered a cult. Although you seem to be an intelligent fellow, you apparently want to disavow all scientific classification in support of your generalized world view. Do you realize there are sociologists (I can refer you to at least a dozen here in NY off the top of my head) that make a career in studying cults and their effects on western civilization alone? I'm literally citing you the EXACT definition of a cult as it pertains to society's organizational structure and you are giving me Webster! I then tell you that Webster is only giving you MULTIPLE definitions as they pertain to varying subjects, archaic usages (past and present) and you persist in clinging to your uninformed opinion (going so far as to call the scientific definition as "pseudopsychobabble"). To put it simply, there is no retort necessary, Vynson, you've already shown yourself to be willfully ignorant, prejudiced, and incapable of listening to reason. I'm sorry for being condescending, which is very insulting, I really am, but this discussion is obviously going nowhere; I cant talk to someone who puts their fingers in their ears.
You seem to be arguing philosophy (where your terminology is somewhat applicable) and I am talking about scientific study. Do you see where I'm coming from now?
..Christianity, L Ron Hubbard laughs in heaven. Really, the smartest thing he could have possibly done for his fledging dianetics self-help scheme, when the FDA was about to nail him for the quakery of the E-Meter, was to suddenly say "guess what? We're a religion now, and we believe in the E-Meter, so STFU". Said and done, plus after lots of litigation, Scio got tax-exemption too! But perhaps the best benefit they got from declaring themselves a religion, is the benefit of the doubt that good-natured and open-minded people all over the world are willing to give to religious causes. There is this irrational tendency to cut some slack to outrageous ideas or schemes simply because they're religious. And it happens often to the best of people, the ones who consider themselves the most tolerant and "live-and-let-live" of us all. But guys, realize that comparing Scientology to -any- established religion, let alone Christianity, is like saying my backyard BBQ party is just like Disneyland but with less lines. Scientologist themselves love to bring up Christianity, for example, if someone says "Xenu is weird" they reply "The Great Flood is weirder" of if someone says "Scientology killed Lisa McPherson" they reply "Christianity killed thousands of people in the crusades" or if someone says "Scientology charges huge piles of money" they reply "We dont have milennia of accumulated wealth to fall back on, like the Vatican does". Of course not! Because you're not a religion!! Its like "hey dude, your house is burning", and he replies "oh really? well, the neighbor's mansion burned too, 100 years ago, and look at it now!" "yeah dude, but Your House Is Burning". I dont care what Christianity did or who did they kill hundreds of years ago. I only care about Scientology harrasing its critics today and driving folks to suicide. Scientology shouldnt care if the whole neighborhood is on fire, or burned a while ago, or will burn later. They should care about their house burning right now.
...So don't worry about my feelings. But you might want to work on your arguments about religion before you toss 'em around so much. There are many bad things that many denominations of Christianinty(churches)have been responsible for and more importantly evil deeds carried out by people belonging to those denominations(ei:J.Dahmer was Catholic but I'd hardly try to pin his crimes on Catholicism)And as stated previously those same religions have been responsible for a lot of good. Hence the saying "the difference between right and wrong". Why is it that when attacking religion people always think they have the argument locked by pointing out the "evil" that Christianity is responsible for? Let's face it. People get it wrong sometimes. No. Most of the time. We can strive to get it right. We should strive to be better people. Those Christians who take the "WE ARE RIGHT" angle? Wrong. Don't blame me for them. I think that our leaders: political, parental, and religious have failed us so many times that our generation is just fucking jaded and we have taken to nurturing apathy and contempt as if they were virtues. I refuse to do that. I still believe in mankind. We are better than this. Christianity is a label that I'm comfortable with because it is where I find my moral/spiritual centering and I'm a better person for it. The fact that it draws fire from people who "go off half cocked" doesn't really bother me because the best you could do is change my mind by pointing out a better path in life and the worst you can do is force me to re-visit and re-evaluate my views. And if you still think I'm a crazy Christian I'm waiting for you to explain to me where "love thy neighbour" & "do unto others..." or any of the teachings of Jesus Christ are "crazy"? Or is that argument not available in "websters"?
Lighten up people. This is MI:3. It's not Scientology 101, Tom Cruise 502, Katie Holmes 104, or any other subject not related to MI plot and performance. I can't say I've read all of these posts, but stopping every three or four to read the same bullshit about how True Lies actually sucked or "no it didn't" or Scientology this or that,is mind numbing. That being said, MI:2 was going well until the bad guy released whatsername into a city to infect everyone via the air with what appeared to be a blood-borne virus... Stupid and biologically unsound. She'd have to have sex with everybody or slit her wrist and cut everybody around her and swap blood... The sex part would have been an interesting plot twist and would probably have kept my attention better... But I digress. My only concern with this film is whether or not someone can actually be blown sideways by a blast occurring behind them. Discuss...
When is the part where you refuse to waste your time debating me? I was really looking forward to that part. Nevertheless, if you will refer back to my original post, you will discover that the main idea I was asserting (as evidenced by the subject line even)is that many people are accusing Cruise and Scientologists of being nuts while they themselves cling to religions that have their own nutty beliefs. I was very clear in my use of the word "cult." You posted because you apparently only want people to use the definition in your Sociology 101 textbook and think Webster needs to be ignored entirely. Webster did not list the definigion I was using first in their lexicon because it is "archaic" as you suggest. They list it first because it is the most used. You sir, seem unable to engage in conversation without posturing. Yet you offer no intellectual insight. Sure, you can quote from your little textbook, but apparently you have no thoughts to add to the topic. Next semester, it'll be something else... but nothing new. Nothing your own. You have not actually responded to anything that I've said except to insist that your textbook's definition of "cult" be used exclusively and to visit insults upon me, calling me ignorant, prejudiced, unreasonable, etc. I think you may have to face the unfortunate fact, sir, that you are a pretentious pseudo-intellectual itching to argue, but sadly lacking in the intelligence necessary to actually enter into rational conversation, much less debate. By the way, in case you can't tell... this is the part where guys like you break down and spout profane insults or attempt cool retreat by going "whatever" or making some sort of innane dismissal as if you've said something actually constituting a rebuttal, ignoring the fact that we don't actually seem to disagree on the topic at hand. Oh well.
Sorry for boring you. I figured that the only posters left on this link were into the discussion. I tried to be entertaining with my story about infiltrating the Church of Scientology (which I have been) nobody seemed interested. Some people just like to argue. And I'm a sucker for arguing with people who seem smart but keep making stupid claims. What? I can't be flawed? I can't wait for MI:3!!! It's gonna fuckin' rule!!! happy dude? No? Come on man! I'm stoked for the movie but social injustice is taking place on this very talkback!It must be stopped! Christian Soldiers Unite!!! Crusade in the name of all that's... ummm... yeah. there I go being "crazy" again.
It was funny!! Honest. I didnt respond to it when I shoulda given you an attaboy! It was deffinitely the most original post I've read in a while. Full marks!!!I still like your go get'em attitude and willingness to take one for the home team by sleeping with a scientologist! You're a braver man than I! But then, thats why I'm just a teacher and you are a SUPER SPY!!!
Even though I was burned BADLY in MI:2, I am deffinitely feeling the puull of MI:3! You and I both know I'm probably going to be in line with a ticket, huh?
If you are looking for me to defend Scientology, you'll be disappointed. I think they're loons.
Thanks Moon. I felt bad taking an overly serious tone on here because I like most people enjoy a good laugh and this IS a movie site. I try to keep it light. But sometimes you just gotta take a fuckin' stand man. I have a feeling that I'm about to be "bitch slapped" by "websters" and I only have a paperback "Collins". The words "knife to a gunfight" come to mind. I might actually have to use my brain. And don't feel bad dude. You know what they say. "those who CAN do and those who CAN't teach" (kidding, teaching is a big responsibility) Oh yeah, And my date went VERY well so you guys are off the hook. But I can't seem to remember where I... what's this little scar behind my ear?
Oh, its nothing, Donkeypark. In fact, you are supposed to have it--all humans have this scar as a result of theton exposure. In fact, I just realized that I have one, as well. Now, what was I saying before...ah yes! Vynson is absolutely correct: all faiths are as nutty as Scientology, and therefore, scientology is legitimate. Webster trumps a degree. Scientology is good. Scientology is great. Scientology is good. Scientology is great. Scientology is...
I actually think the Jesus story is pretty cool. I just don't think his death (if in fact he ever lived) means that people are "forgiven" for every kind of attrocity just by petitioning symbolic atonement in his name. I think that's crazy. A main tennet of Christianity is that if you accept Jesus as your savior, you are forgiven of all your sins and you don't have to go to hell. This means that Hitler, a Catholic, has a chance to avoid hell, while his Jewish victims get to go to hell? Isn't this what it means? Christianity is just as looney as Scientology. But hey, maybe MI:3 will be as good a story as the Jesus story.
Is trying to twist my point the best you can do? I didn't say Scientology was good. I said it has a ways to go to be as destructive as some other religions. But give it time. It's off to a great start in that respect. Just because all faiths are as nutty as Scientology doesn't make Scientology legitimate, silly boy; it points out that other faiths are just as irrational. What a clumsy conversationalist you are. A degree? Hmmm... you should have gone for an education.
"the ability to speak does not make you intelligent" Stop being Jar Jar! I made that same observation of Christianity. When I was 12yrs old. Hell is not a place where a red guy in tights pokes you with a pitchfork all day and Hitler is not having tea with Jesus in heaven. Is that the best you can do? Weren't you the one accusing others of being "pseudo-intellectual"? you're 20-22 years old aren't you? I loved that term when I was your age. Ahhh the memories. You have proven that you have a 6yr old's understanding of Christianity not to mention a complete lack of insight when it comes to the concept of forgivness and atonement. Go back to school (life, not educational system) and come back when you have something intelligent to say on the matter.
Shame on you for accusing Mr. Webster of over using the term "pseudo." Admittedly, I thought the same thing after his last few posts, but its still rude!
More ad hominems. No intelligence. How sadly predictable. You say you had these thoughts, yet you don't offer any rebuttal as to how you managed to answer them sufficiently to continue to embrace such an insane notion. I would imagine it entailed enough sand to cover your head. The usual bit of "How inconvenient it would be to practice this religion in real life so I'll resort to taking this part symbolically, and this part literally and this other part I'll just disregard 'cause I can't reconcile it to reality, and this other part I'll just act like it has a deeper meaning so I don't have to explain it... and I'll make fun of anyone who brings it up and act like they're stupid for doing it... yeah, the old argument from intimidation ploy... worked on me... it'll work on him too..." Like MoonPup, you think insults can pass for intelligence. Pity. As for my "understanding of Christianity"... it comes from studying religion in college... 20 years ago. You better hit the books if you want to have this conversation because the ad hominems just won't do, donkey. So perhaps you two boys would like to get back to the topic of MI:3? Personally, I'm more interested in P.S. Hoffman's performance than Cruise's. He's been a favorite since State and Main.
I remember you and I talking about a similar subject (in a Cruise thread no less) a few months ago. I also remember you stated that you were in your mid fifties. Now, given that you just said you were in college twenty years ago, does that not contradict your previous story? I understand that you could have gone back to college in your thirties, but I was under the impression you went to college directly after highschool. I myself, as you probably remember, teach a few history courses here at UB and, ironically, highschool english at the local school. Now, given your drastic change in writing style between your second and third posted reply and your obvious baiting, I sincerely doubt you studied anything in college, let alone religion. In all honesty, your writing (and Im not critiquing grammar or punctuation) reads as though it was authored by a highschool grad or college dropout. Again, if you are in your late teens/early twenties (as donkey and I guess), this would be understandable. But if you are truly in your forties or fifties, I strongly recommend going back to school and rereading those textbooks which you claim to have mastered.
You studied Christainity in college? Good for you. That would explain why you are so capable with the big words. I'm not disregarding what you say. I'm listening. I'm waiting for you to stop hiding behind "webster" and "college" Intimidation tactics and insults? Re-read what you have written on here over and over until you realize that stating "I studied it in college" is an intimidation tactic. And calling people crazy and insane (or cleverly changing their talkback name for condescending effect) is insulting. People like you always hate it when faced with someone who doesn't kiss your intellectual ass. And if you think I'm the one who needs to hit the books why don't you save me some time and enlighten me? Instead of hitting me with half-baked ideas and pseudo-intellectual-psyco-babbling-mumbo-jumumbological-bullshit? And predictable? Now YOU are the one who wants to get back to MI:3? Didn't you just accuse others of changing the subject when they couldn't prove their own point? I haven't used or mentioned my educational background or Dictionary skills to try to legitimize what I'm saying.
I did ;) bwahahahaha
^ its a quote...starts at "for those..." whether it's true or not, I don't know but it was a link from wikipedia...
Thanks for clearing that up. But try to do it faster next time(excuse you for having a life right? I work in front of my pc so these little chats have become my way to take a break) because I wasted the whole day polishing my rifle and praying that God would punish you! JK! I thought it sounded like you had pulled a complete 180 on reason! Hence the crackpipe comment which I wholeheartedly apologize for. This thread is turning me into one antagonizing little prick isn't it? I have and excuse! I have been trying to infiltrate the Church of Scientology to uncover the evil for all of mankind and I have now fallen under the spell of Scientolotang baby! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
Moondoggy you are exhibiting shameless behaviour for a University Prof! LMAO! You're awesome! I'll be honest and draw even more fire from the critics-the last year of school I fully attended was the 7th grade. I'm not even a highschool dropout. I never went. So I have no credentials to flaunt! Hear that Vynson. I'm an uneducated, Christian, Tom Cruise fan. Fire away pal. You sound like you need it. It will be cathartic.(excuse me if I misused that word but I had to look it up to sound smart and I only have a little Collins dictionary.)Let it all out!
"because I wasted the whole day polishing my rifle and praying that God would punish you!" hahah, so mebbe that's why I developed another students film perfectly and subsequently ruined mine in the darkroom. damn! I'm not a devout christian but even I found that quote to be fairly bad form....
Still no intelligent rebuttal from MoonPup or the Donk I see. Just a little spank fest. Tsk. Enjoy each other boys.
I wasn't bored. I merely stumbled upon this series of posts and thought, "My God. Just talk about the movie, the source material, or anything else related to MI and not Tom, Katie, Tomkitten, Scientology (which, in my opinion, means well but comes off as cultish...)." But you all do what you gotta do... Me? I'm thinking I'll see it in the theater and then judge it. I just don't want boring and I definitely don't want to have to suspend my disbelief so much that my head pops. :)
"You sir, seem unable to engage in conversation without posturing. Yet you offer no intellectual insight. Sure, you can quote from your little textbook(Add Dictionary), but apparently you have no thoughts to add to the topic. Next semester, it'll be something else... but nothing new. Nothing your own." Oh and I believe you handled the grand finally with a nicely approriate homophobic rebuttal. Way to go! "By the way, in case you can't tell... this is the part where guys like you break down and spout profane insults or attempt cool retreat by going "whatever" or making some sort of innane dismissal as if you've said something actually constituting a rebuttal" Thanks for the quotes dude. It saved me some time.
Sorry about the film. I'll try and see if the Man Upstairs can do something to make it up to you. BTW I don't actually own a rifle. Or pray to God to punish people.(Cause that IS crazy) Glad you have a sense of humour.
At what point are Tom Cruise's testicles implanted in his baby's face... Oh, wait, that is too crazy for this movie. It must be happening fo' real.
Yep, the placenta-eating Thetan is lacking in the leg department. Sorry, I just can't buy him as an elite covert operative. Bring on the new Bond movie instead of this souless stars 'n' stripes crap. Oh and Jack Bauer is a ladyboy... all will be revealed in season 24 of 24.
This is coming from a person that thoroughly disliked the former two... BRILLIANT!!! Utterly amazing!! Fantastic! Cruise is on Boost in this flick.
MI3 steals EVERYTHING from it!!! Let
I agree, there were many similarities with True Lies, the bridge scene in particular. The difference is that MI3 was presented a bit more realistically - Less gratuitous humor, and more credible stunts. I liked it. Despite his tabloid shenanigans, Tom Cruise is a pretty good actor. He does intensity well. I enjoyed his performance. The problem with MI3 is that it
Um, you ARE talking about Hollywood, you realize. Ah, yes, hence the not holding of the breath. Wise. What one should do is watch the movie again (wait for it on DVD if you gotta) with the understanding that everything leading up to Hunt going to Shanghai was DESIGNED to get him to do just that. All the plotting, kidnapping, killing, all of it, to push him in that direction. Watch it again, see what I mean.
I just got back from seeing this and I thought it was a complete ripoff of Alias. you just name it...all of JJ's plot devices in Alias show up in MI3: Marshall Flinkman-esque character. a lot of the same kind of music...the goofy callsigns. the "X amount of time" earlier bullshit I've complained about before. Its just sad. The movie itself was OK, but it was just really ruined for me having watched Alias It just confirms for me that JJ really is completely and totally overrated..not to mention unoriginal.
alias is a fucking rip-off of the mission impossible tv show...go do your fucking homework before you start talking shit about stuff you don't know about. shhhhhhh.
...and agree with what harry said. (although dont rate true lies at all.I mean its called "true lies" for fucks sake) MI3 was more visceral and had a hyper-real feel to it-kind of a mix between true lies and bourne) if anyone hasnt seen this yet-then youre missing out on a really good film-and it really does take a few risks which par off. its not original but its all in the execution-a real sense of threat and a competent villain really make it- the female lead is the weakest link however. (batman begins all over again)
some good action stunts...but there was one part that was so bad i laughed out loud at its cornyness and that was the part when he reaches the top of the vatican wall and says humpty dumpty sat on a wall like its a catchphrase. outside of that i dug it
...but it didn't age as well as Cameron's other work. I haven't seen it in years but that's mainly because I haven't felt a need to. It's too light-hearted to match the intensity of his sci-fi thrillers. Not that I object to comedy being an important part of the action genre, but when a movie keeps begging the audience not to take it seriously, I usually oblige by having fun for 2 hours and then forgetting it afterwards.
if thats what you have to believe to convince yourself..then hey to each their own. if Alias is supposed to be homage of the original Mission Impossible..then they failed miserably. for one. Alias is about sydney and sydney's feelings...MI was about the TEAM and they never stopped to analyze how they felt about being a spy and blah blah blah. you're a JJ apologist if you believe otherwise. Even if you're true...why the fuck would anyone want a movie, thats an homage to the tv show..which is an homage to tv show that spawned said movie. Its ridiculous. Homages aren't clever tips of the hat..they're crutches for pathetic writers who CANT COME UP WITH ANYTHING ORIGINAL!
and before you nitpick and point out Sydney has team members too. Don't be so obvious, there nothing more than a token effort given to develop Marshall or Dixon or Rachel or anyone else. Its Sydney Sydney Sydney..thats it. JJ Abrams is an overrated one-trick pony
Well , just seen it. Great movie, bad, rushed, sappy ending. But no way do the action sequences compete with Cameron's in True Lies. The action set-pieces in his movie are much much longer, better thought out, clearer shot, slicker edited, have much better use of crescendo's and climaxes and are just much more badass. For example: - Arnie headpunches the two killer dogs in a perfect edited knockout gag - Shoots more henchmen in the beginning action sequence than Tom Cruise
Did anyone else notice the scene right after they all left the Vatican and went down the manhole. I had to do a double take because I thought I saw Maggie q flash her crotch. Was she wearing underwear?
Just saw M:i:III today for the third time in theatres. It was still playing at the Loews in Times Square and I was looking for a good movie to see this hot evening. And so I decided to check this one out again. For anyone who is reading this thread still, this is the film of the summer. Yeah, it did not get the BO of X-MEN or POTC2 but who cares. It's an amazingly constructed and executed film and a hell of a great time at the movies. I loved it and will own it the day it comes out on DVD.
...what the hell has Camerons mediocre True Lies got to do with anything? Granted, the setup for True Lies was promising, but since mr.Schwartzenbader can't tell a decent joke if his life depended on it, the entire movie "folded like a cheap hooker who got hit in the stomach by a guy with sores on his face". (yaeh, that's right I'm quoting the Friends-character Joey Tribbiani, that's about all True Lies is worth). MI3 though, great flick!
everytime I watch a movie I get the urge to read user opinions on this site or imdb or what ever and I just have to post this. I just can't stop watching this film. I have been hooked to alias for a while but this film, I just have to watch it at least once a month and the soundtrack. God, such an adrenaline rush. There is this track, hunting for jules, it's played in Shanghai when he's running to Julia, while coordinated by mr Shaun of the Dead. Running, just running, running, keep running, it's so cool. Mind blowing blood pumping iron giant fantastic. That track, that scene, so exciting it gives me an ADHD geek-kick overdose. Giacchino is god. God I drool on this film, so exciting still shaking. GIVE AN MI4 now plz, JJ, TOM, just make it!