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VERONICA MARS Launches Into Tuesday Orbit!

I am – Hercules!!

Does tonight bring our first glimpse of The CW’s first Tuesday-night line-up? A new ”Gilmore Girls” at 8 p.m. followed by a new ”Veronica Mars” at 9 p.m.?

“Mars” now has to deal with “House,” “The Unit,” “Scrubs,” “Teachers,” “Sons and Daughters” and “Pepper Dennis” – instead of “Lost” and “American Idol.” An excellent swap from where I sit.

After tonight’s episode, “I Am God,” only four season-two episodes remain: “Nevermind the Buttocks” (2.19), “See You Next Tuesday” (2.20), “Manning the Ship” (2.21) and “Not Pictured” (2.22). Coaxial News’ own girl detective, “Victoria Barsoom,” has spoilers for tonight and the next two episodes beyond (BEWARE!! Uninvisotexted spoilage abounds):

What’s up with your favorite Veronica Mars characters over the next few episodes?

Logan: Takes a trip down memory lane with Veronica and flashes back to their Summer of Love. Holds a prom in his hotel suite when the HS prom is cancelled. Invites Veronica and ends up inviting more than he asked for. Has a long talk with Veronica about the future of their relationship.

Wallace: Pursues Jackie and finally snags her on prom night.

Keith: Investigates Kendall Casablancas. Finds himself on the wrong end of a gun.

Weevil: Is suspected by Veronica of having a role in the bus crash. Faces off with the Fighting Fitzpatricks.

Woody Goodman (Steve Guttenberg): Asks Keith’s help in dealing with a little problem: an illicit liaison with a woman who is not his wife.

Mac (Tina Majorino): Goes to the prom with a surprising date.

Kendall Casablancas (Charisma Carpenter): Comes under scrutiny for her role in the bus crash. Gets a booty call from an old lover.

Meg Manning (Alona Tal): Appears to Veronica in her dreams to give her important information about the bus crash.

Dick: Grosses out viewers with his caveman dating tactics.

Beaver: Whines about getting crap because of his relationship to Dick.

And most importantly, Veronica: Dreams about all the kids involved in the bus crash, including Marcos (referred to in 2.08, "Ahoy Mateys), Peter (referred to in 2.14, "Versatile Toppings"), Rhonda (referred to in 2.05 "Blast from the Past") and Betina (Dick's wrong-side-of-town ex-squeeze). Gets good news and bad news about her college plans. Tracks down the person who ran over her classmate’s dog. Finds out who is stalking Gia Goodman. Reconnects with a former boyfriend. Gets bad news from the doctor. Thinks about restarting her relationship with Logan (expect to see some roadblocks).

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  • April 11, 2006, 12:39 a.m. CST

    How about an episode..........

    by Jake Timmons08

    Where Veronica and Charisma Carpenter's character wrestle in jello. The whole episode.

  • April 11, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Wow. First in two talkbacks in a row.

    by Jake Timmons08

    I need to stop working nights.

  • April 11, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Probably for the best

    by Ribbons

    I actually do think "Veronica Mars" has the potential to be a breakout hit, but "Lost" and "American Idol" are practically juggernauts. Sure, "Scrubs" and "The Unit" have solid audiences -- umm... that is to say I think they do, anyway -- but it's a much comfier spot than the one it was previously in. I haven't even had much of a chance to watch this season (some of us don't have VCRs, let alone TiVos), so I'm personally glad that it's making the move.

  • April 11, 2006, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Hopefully this doesn't mess with the ratings any more

    by Freakemovie

    Tuesdays at 9 is the better time slot (despite the lack of the Top Model lead-in)...Scrubs right now is pulling in the numbers Arrested Development had at its peak, which is to say, not much. The Unit is a solid hit but it won't eat into VM's viewership nearly as much as Lost and American Idol did. But why do it so close to the end of the season? There's a potential for a large backfire...if I didn't go on here I wouldn't even know it was moving to Tuesdays, it's not like I watch any other UPN shows.

  • April 11, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Smart Move

    by obidawsn

    I think anyone that watches Veronica Mars would know that it was moving. They did promote it during last week's show (that is if you watched the previews and commercials). I had an idea why they were doing it, and it was pretty much what Herc said. The officials in charge of the CW merge want to have Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars back-to-back. Moving Veronica Mars, now, puts it in that position already. I think the ratings will boost a bit (since people will actually be watching it first run and not on their TiVo or VCR after Lost). And now, when The CW takes off in the fall, they will already have Gilmore Girls and Veronica Mars in their place.

  • April 11, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST

    More Veronica

    by Hell_Bender

    I don't care when it's on, I just want more seasons. If TV fucks me over on this one i'll start a Holy Crusade I swear to god

  • April 11, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST

    This show has yet to interest me

    by zekmoe

    I've tried several times, but the happy, co-mingling race/social/sexual preference interactions just smarts of false pretense. I've yet to see a school where black guys and white chicks hang out for reasons other than laying pipe. It's just so weird. Show some blow being shared, and some bling wheels, a few naval peircings and bad back tattoos, then it will smack of reality.

  • April 11, 2006, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Why the fuss?

    by Mr_P

    only saw this for the first time recently (in the UK) so set my Sky+ as it gets talked up a lot here but just seemed nothing more than ok. Never grabbed me at all but will try another episode or two before deleting it from my series list.

  • April 11, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST

    My prediction...

    by DanielKurland

    Beaver freaked out with Mac last week because Woody Goodman hs sexually abused him, which would explain his bicep-feeling scene with Logan. When would Beaver and the mayor ever been together? Well, Dick was dating Gia, Woody's daughter, so there is a connection. So obviously Beaver was the one who sent that recording of Woody in his house to him. Now, what I can't figure out is how this connects to who blew up the bus!

  • April 11, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST


    by John Maddening

    Now I can't watch it again! I watched it when it premiered last season, but decided I liked "House" better. Now it's back up against "House", and I ain't leaving Mr. Laurie.

  • April 11, 2006, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Mars vs. House

    by Killah_Mate

    I love Scrubs, but it's gonna come down to that. Unit? Whatever.

  • April 11, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    They Really DON'T Want The Show To Succeed, Do They?

    by Hokeybutt

    When Sons and Daughters comes back that is going to make FOUR of TV's most well-written and acted shows on at the same time: Scrubs, House, Sons and Daughters and now, VM... I have 2 VCRs... so if me and the wife stay home and make sure we watch one "live" then we STILL have to miss out on something... sorry to say it, but VM is #4 in that timeslot...

  • April 11, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Forget Veronica Mars ...

    by Itchy

    how powerful is that Greatest American Hero theme song that just looking at the DVD box set cover with the "press here to listen to theme song" emblem was sufficient to start the damn song playing in my head non-stop for the last 5 minutes.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Sons and Daughters

    by chase232

    Sons and Daughters is done for the season and possibly forever, but either way Veronica doesn't have to worry about it.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I find "My Sons and Daughters" to be.....

    by Jimmy Jazz

    smarmy, unfunny cack. It exemplifies EVERYTHING I hate about a certain breed of TV writers who are more concerned about being clever than making credible appealing characters. "Scrubs" is OK, but a distant third on my Tuesday night list. The reason Veronica Mars is number one on my list is simple: House has been guaranteed a third season, VM hasn't. I realized that watching VM on Tuesday while taping House really won't make a difference, since I do not participate in the bullshit Neilsen system, but it is a symbolic gesture.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST


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  • April 11, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    It started two weeks ago in Germany...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...and nobody wants to see it. Okay, they show it on saturday, 2 p.m., when really NOBODY is watching (except for me).

  • April 11, 2006, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Is this the one about a 25 year old going undercover?

    by MrBoinfoint

    Is this the one about a 25 year old going undercover as high school student? Or is that OC? I can never tell. The problem is that then they hire actual teenagers to play background parts, and the lead actors look even older. Veronica needs some Retin-A or something because her skin's looking a little rough. LIke she's spent one too many nights at a bar drinking appletini's and smoking Camels.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    USA TODAY Save Our Shows 2006!!

    by Xocxoc

    Veronica Mars, Invasion, Scrubs, Commander in Chief, Sons and Daughters, The Loop, and Everwood are on the bubble. I'm surprised Herc hasn't made a thread yet.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    MrBoinfoint, are you referring to 21 Jump Street?...

    by DanielKurland

    Or the abandoned pilot of "The Inside"? As neither of the shows you mentioned have anything to do with that. And Veronica Mars is much more similar to Twin Peaks than The OC.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    "his relationship with Dick" + zekmoe and jimmy jazz

    by oisin5199

    I wonder if this line is a punned reference to Beaver's possible homosexuality? Zekmoe: I'm not sure if you've actually watched the show, but much of the point of Neptune High is its class and racial tensions. Both seasons had a forbidden rich white girl/Latino thug relationship that was, indeed, about "laying pipe" - nice term, btw. Classy. Veronica's dealings with Weevil are looked down upon and hushed up, and her friendship was Wallace was seen as anomalous, until Wallace gained more 'cred' as a star basketball player, because it's ok to hang out with black guys if they're star athletes. Plus, one of the few times we've seen the rich white guys interact with the 'PCH'ers is fighting or dealing drugs. Jimmy Jazz- gotta disagree with your sentiments about Sons and Daughters. With the exception of the over-the-top brother-in-law, I found the characters to not be 'too-clever' at all, but rather quite realistic and engaging, especially with the improv. These seemed like mostly real situations, and even the white trash drunk guy (aptly named Whitey) wasn't just a stereotype, but a nuanced character. When a 'sitcom' can make me laugh and cry, especially based on the realism of the situations, I'd say it's pretty successful. I thought it was risky for not necessarily having contrived, happy endings, even in cases where the 'happy ending' was tempered by distress, like in life. So I'll kinda miss the show. Definitely more of an HBO show there, far too risky for network tv.

  • April 11, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm referring to Kristen Bell pushing 30

    by MrBoinfoint

    And looking it.

  • April 11, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    VM Is a Great Show, But...

    by Deandome

    ...the whole bus-crash plotline is pretty lame and convoluted. It's like 2 shows in one; VM and her posse(logan/wallace/mac/beaver/dad/sherrif/weevil) and then this whole spinnoff thing w/the fitzpatricks, Charisma, the baseball star-dude, weevil's gang members. Last year, I liked the ongoing plot even more than the Cases Of the Week...this year, the opposite! Maybe/hopefully they'll tie everything together nicely, but when they do, it'll involve characters we don't know or care about, so why bother? We're almost at the point where Keith Mars should get killed & become the big-story. I like the guy, but that's the kind of upheaval this show needs.

  • April 11, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST

    VM is More Passable than Lois @ Smallville

    by Deandome

    MY GOD...she's practically menopausal...wrinkles, the hell did she ever get cast?? Kristen's fine in the Hollywood context of casting mid-20s for high school. And my "Kill Keith" suggestion above would really help rein in the salary problems that have been discussed for VM (the reason why Duncan disappeared/Wallace took a break, etc.).

  • April 11, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST

    In the final moments of the season two finale...

    by DanielKurland

    Logan kills Keith, and in doing so saves Wallace. This all happens after it is revealed that the ghost of Lily Kane is who blew up the bus.

  • April 11, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    This move blows

    by Jacobra

    I recorded scrubs and house so I could watch them both Tuesday, then Lost and Veronica on Wedesday. Now I will have to give up on House which I really don't want to do but since all the eps are pretty much stand alone I would rather miss that than VM. This is a crappy move.

  • April 11, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    They should called it "Veronica Smug Bitch"

    by ZeroCorpse

    Because her attitude makes the show unwatchable. She's such a smug, obnoxious know-it-all cunt. I love intelligence, but she's unbearable. If I want to watch a smarmy, self-satisfied know-it-all with a bad attitude and anoying voice, I'll watch Nancy Grace.

  • April 11, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by ZeroCorpse

    I know how to spell it, bitch. Typos be damned!

  • April 11, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Does No One Else Appreciate...

    by pfizzle

    ...that one of the upcoming episodes is actually called See You Next Tuesday?!?! That is gold. Pure, fucking, gold.

  • April 11, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Enrico Colantoni interview....

    by torpor_haze

  • April 11, 2006, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Veronica saves the universe while looking bored.

    by VoodooV

    I never really noticed it till you mentioned it corpse, but yeah, she is quite the little cynic....cute as hell cynic, but still. It would be nice if they toned that down a bit. maybe they should have more cases that don't involve rich people and their stupid problems, then maybe VM wouldn't have to be so cynical all the time.

  • April 11, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    I LIKE VM's cynicism.....

    by Jimmy Jazz

    You gotta remember that the whole show is a take on the Private Invesigator genre. The fictional PI is always the cynical smart-ass, stayingabove the fray and showing up the idiots around him while at the same time hiding his wounded heart of gold. VM herself fits perfectly in that tradition.

  • April 11, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Your gay

    by optimus122

    Whoever doesnt like this show is an imbecile , Kristin Bell is also a major hottie.

  • April 11, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    A Fantastic Episode...

    by DanielKurland

    Very filled with important details, the Wallace/Logan pair up was very nice, and the questions it addressed were good too. I'm just upset they stated Richard Casablancas as a suspect this early, as he was my guess, and now it definitely won't be him. Guesses anyone?

  • April 11, 2006, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by paulh

    Too much to decipher at this early stage. Compelling to the last drop. Kristen Bell better the frack get an Emmy nomination.

  • April 11, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Ugh...Great show, but I really hated this episode.

    by Freakemovie

    Veronica Mars is usually hugely more entertaining than it would seem to be and has hooked me since it came on the air in season one. But what the heck was up with tonight's episode? Wait, she's seeing a counselor? Keith keeps going on blind dates? What the heck was the plot, anyway? And please lets not mention the aaaawwwwwful dream sequences, which were not only ridiculously cheesy but completely not in keeping with the show. Suddenly this is a show about a girl communicating with the Passed Over to solve mysteries? I didn't realize I was watching Medium. And oh yeah...yet another way-too-large-for-life Rich Bitch. How can a show with such brilliant characterizations for its main cast rely so much on less-than-one-dimensional bitchiness taken to the extreme for all of its week-by-week characters? The only bright spot I could see in this episode was the Logan/Wallace pairing, and usually anything concerning Logan is pretty spot-on; he's the best character on the show. But I don't know what the heck was wrong with this's like I was watching Bizzaro World Veronica Mars or something. Who wrote the episode? I wouldn't be surprised if it was a first timer. Course if it wasn't, that just makes it more baffling.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Good ep, will be even better once we see big picture

    by Whedon

    Dick has absolutely no redeeming qualities, well except being a good friend to Logan, guess thats why he's so fun to watch. "Its not you...its Wu" glad to see the Logan/Wallace interact finally. Logan's "you look like Steve Buscemi" seemed to be more out of concern for Veronica then a jab at her, but it was funny she took it the wrong way since it was coming from him. Preview for next week seems to indicate that Weevil was up to some unsavory activities and hopefully papa Mars doesn't get capped...atleast not yet.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Episode was written by...

    by DanielKurland

    Diane Ruggiero (along with someone else) who is in second command behind Rob Thomas, and has written classics like "A Trip to the Dentist" and co-wrote the Season One finale. I called the Woody Goodman thing a week ago, and he can't be responsible for the bus crash, as he's getting too much screen time and now it seems too predictable. Why would he even want to blow up the bus? What makes more sense if is Richard Casablancas was aware of Woody molesting Beaver, and agreed to kill Beaver in the bus, if Woody would give him some sort of land deal and if Richard kept quiet about it all. But even that has holes in it, as Richard knew Beaver wouldn't be on the bus.

  • April 11, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST

    Great one.

    by CatVutt

    A great episode and, as expected, the 'supernatural' aspect was far more downplayed than the trailers tried to make it seem. They were dreams, her subconscious figuring stuff out, no problem. Lots of important details, and some pretty clever recapping, actually. Dick is quickly becoming a fave, because he's so irredeemably rank and tactless that he's hysterical. Though there was none this ep, I always love Logan's bemusement with him. The Logan/Wallace stuff was good, particularly the pay-off with the completely befuddled Veronica staring incredulously at Wallace when he suggested she give Logan a break. Classic. Very nice, and I ain't speculating on who's behind what, cuz I'll probably be wrong anyway.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    On a completely unrelated and surreal note...

    by CatVutt

    I looked up after posting that, and realized the TV was on Leno, and Michael Douglas was on, looking exactly like that picture that was posted here recently, talking about putting on a Richar Burton accent and sexual role-playing with Catherine and how he'd like her to be a nurse or something, and mentioning that his dad, Kirk, is going to be fucking 90 years-old this December. All in about 45 seconds. Sorry, I know it has nothing to do with this TB, but that sent me back to the kitchen for more vino.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    The writing of the episode

    by Freakemovie

    Yeah, now that I think about it, it makes sense that it was written by one of the stalwarts. They have enough authority to be able to screw with the format, which they certainly did. The whole thing just left an enormously bad taste in my mouth -- Veronica wasn't acting like Veronica, the supernatural elements felt totally out of place, and the arc of the episode felt rather aimless. I need to watch it again to see what my impression of it is the second time. What I'm worried about, though, is the people who might've tuned in today who don't watch it normally, because of the time switch. What they saw was far from a good example of a Veronica Mars episode, and far from Veronica Mars at its best. (Not to mention the fact that the plot is now completely impenetrable for those who haven't been watching all along, but there's nothing you can do about that.) Other than tonight's episode, though, I've loved this season, so hopefully it was an anomaly.

  • April 11, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Guttenberg is gay

    by VoodooV

    certainly would explain him feeling up Logan in that one scene.

  • April 12, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I AM GOD? I'm not? I'm a CHIPMUNK? Balls.

    by LordEnigma

    Actually, this episode featured NO SUPERNATURAL elements at all, but did feature VM at her wits ends. Through the dreams, she was able to piece together information. Since the episode started with her carrying around the FILES at school. Now that her mind has figured out or put chunks of this mystery together. She can begin to break the mystery apart piece by piece. Also, in case one blinked and missed it, the whole C storyline of this episode dealt with Keith going on some matchmaking service, to get to the assistant of a Doctor, that helped Angie Dahl and other students pull exemption 1138. Even in VM-land, THX1138 gets some love. Which means, after Angie flunked that test, that her GPA and VM's GPA are possibly the same. Great overall episode on a great night of TV. However, to the talkbacker that stated HOUSE has stand-alone episodes; FUCK SCRUBS. If HOUSE did not have an ongoing storyline about Cameron liking House, then tonight's look of HOUSE towards Cameron in her dress, would mean nothing. HOUSE has all sorts of continuity going on. Like Chase being HOUSE's clear #2. The way House no longer picks on Foreman's race, but pushes him around with his cane. Cutty's breasts, Wilson being messed with by House, Cameron's love of sweatervest, and Chase being the ONLY MEMBER OF THAT TEAM that can intibate ANYBODY! Always go with Hugh over Braft or anyone else on that show. My opinion, but your desperation needed a reply.

  • April 12, 2006, 4:22 a.m. CST

    This latest episode was damn confusing...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    ...Is it just me, and I'm getting slow? I had a hard time following what was going on. And I'm still not so sure what it is we learned about the bus crash mystery.

  • April 12, 2006, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Only thing that confused me...

    by DanielKurland

    Was the last scene with the phone call. Did that reveal anything extraordinary that we weren't all ready aware of?

  • April 12, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Some Observations:

    by Itchy

  • April 12, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Some Observations (Damn Enter Key):

    by Itchy

    Paula Marshall is still very, very hot. Kristen Bell, while not looking 18, is still cute and hot as hell. Gia Goodman is sneaky hot in a way I can't really put my finger on. As for this episode, come great "character" moments ... like Wallace/Logan and VM's befuddled look when Wallace said to give him a break, and - even better - the moment when Keith opened the Vice Principal's closet and saw VM standing in there and didn't flinch. This "mystery" is getting a little confusing, but the show is still great. I can't imagine the new CW cutting this show - it's got way too much going for it.

  • April 12, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Gilmore Girls LAMEST Ep. of Season

    by Deandome

    I guess this is the closest thing to a GG tallkback (it's mentioned in Herc's comments), so I just gotta say, I have NEVER seen such a blatantly banal, time & videotape-wasting, boring episode..of pretty much ANY show I watch!! My god, it advanced NOTHING, didn't make me laugh ONCE, extrapolated on the whole lame 'if Lorelei is s'posed to be a strong character, why can't she open her mouth about ANYTHING remotely confrontational" problem (her parents shopping in Stars Hollow/Luke's ANNOYING daughter), and just overall sucked more than I thought GG could ever suck. The fact that it was written by show co-creator Dan Palladino makes this even more distressing, as you think he'd know what works & what doesn't by now. As for VM, well, I couldn't PVR it due to the unit & House sharing that time. Luckily, I have the Dish Network superstation-pack, so I'll catch it on the weekend. But it was nice to see Robert Bianco echo my post yesterday in his USA today column, about the whole bus-crash being to convoluted a plotline...but we both still like the show.

  • April 12, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    you gotta pay attention in this show

    by oisin5199

    even more than with Lost, I think. They throw lots of information at you so quickly. Thank the gods for DVR. Freakmovie, Keith wasn't going on blind dates, he was trying to catch the dr's assistant who was handing out the anxiety free passes to students. Have I mentioned how much I absolutely love his character? I love the fact that no matter how smart Veronica is, he's always just or smart or smarter. It's not the dumb, clueless dad stereotype. Joyce Summers he's not. Though I wish they would have explained how he knew that the office assistant would be in a dating pool. As far as Veronica's 'smug' attitude, yes, she's in her own private eye world, with voice-over narration, but if you understand the character, that whole thing is just a front for some serious issues and vulnerability. And since she's seen both sides of the class dynamic at Neptune, she is uniquely suited to comment. Oh yeah, and once again, nothing was supernatural about that episode at all.

  • April 12, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST

    that's 'just as smart or smarter'

    by oisin5199

  • April 12, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I think we use "supernatural" loosely

    by Freakemovie

    I don't think anybody was saying that anything acually supernatural happened. But when you use up about a fifth of the episode's running time with scenes of Veronica talking to dead people underwater and on a bus flying through the air, it begs comparison. (And, in my opinion, a few confused chuckles.)

  • April 12, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Lest we forget...

    by Nairb The Movie

    Veronica spent all last season chilling out with her dead buddy Lilly... <p> And if I am wrong... Lilly is the reason she didn&#39;t get back on the bus... <p> Well folks? Have we become so jaded by the loss of talkbacks that we forgot about that?!?

  • April 12, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    The Unseen Player.

    by CatVutt

    All right, what the hell. It&#39;s just a damn TB, nobody would mock me, right? (That, I say, that was a joke, son.) I don&#39;t know how everything ties together. But the guy that sticks out is Curly Moran, the stuntman. Aaron certainly could&#39;ve wanted the bus to crash to rid himself of Veronica. But I don&#39;t think so. So what the hell is Curly&#39;s involvement? We know he worked with Aaron on a film and they have a relationship that goes back aways. So that&#39;s really his only direct tie to any of our main characters, right? Stuntman. So, if you, say, wanted to fake your death by jumping off a bridge to stick it to your ex, who would you call? A stuntman, maybe? It&#39;s safe to say they knew each other, maybe he had a soft spot for her. If you then needed, for some reason, to keep your ex from being convicted of a crime and be able to hold it over his head, might you not engineer a bus crash? And they keep showing the portion of that Biography TV thing, recapping Lynn&#39;s &#39;plunge&#39;. I know I&#39;m reaching here, and we haven&#39;t been given enough detail to really make this leap, but I&#39;ve got a feeling Lynn Echolls is not dead, and completely involved. Go ahead, blast away!

  • April 12, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Blast you CatVutt! For you compelling reasoning skills!

    by torpor_haze


  • April 12, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Ratings for this episode

    by WhiteCrow

    The ratings were wayyy down from last weeks new episode. It got beat by Pepper Dennis on the WB...*sigh*

  • April 12, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Herc...

    by paulh

    For the chance to talk VM on here after a while when we didn&#39;t have a TB. I kid because I care, yes...

  • April 12, 2006, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Was it me or did this evoke memories of &#39;Restless&#39;?

    by paulh

    The 4th season finale of Buffy, in that it was tres&#39; trippy and had a lot of info to digest? That&#39;s why over the season I&#39;ve opted to watch VM over Lost, since I don&#39;t think JJ/Damon/Carlton have clue half of one where they&#39;re ultimately going; like they&#39;re making the story up on the fly. Especially this season, IMO.

  • April 12, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST

    OR...(since I&#39;ve already put myself on this limb...)

    by CatVutt

    Still on the presumption that Lynn did have Curly help with her &#39;suicide&#39;, maybe Aaron did set up the crash, hoping to kill both Veronica AND Duncan, who would then be a much easier patsy in order to plant reasonable doubt in a jury, particularly if he can set up some other evidence. He has something on Curly, so he gets Curly to do this, doesn&#39;t tell him why. In my theory, Curly is a complete mope. Nobody tells him anything unless absolutely necessary. Curly tells Lynn, who quickly figures out why, and due to the aforementioned leverage, has no way to get Curly not to do it. But she gets him to agree to put a rat on the bus, under the guise of making sure there&#39;s no way in hell that Logan will be on it when it goes Boom. Or maybe she does this herself. Who knows. So the bus crashes, &#39;Roni&#39;s still alive. Aaron&#39;s pissed, orders Curly to kill someone, gets Curly Veronica&#39;s name through somebody else, which Curly writes down on his hand while he&#39;s at a phone booth. Curly tells Lynn...Lynn again can&#39;t stop him for whatever reason, but can&#39;t let Veronica die because she actually does want Aaron to fry. So SHE has him whacked, not only because of Veronica, but because he&#39;s also the only one who knows she&#39;s alive, and can&#39;t risk that coming out yet, for some reason.

  • April 12, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST

    UPN: We know which side our bread is buttered...

    by paulh

    Not really related to VM, but UPN are going the Harvey Weinstein/&#39;Huff&#39; route and sending DVD&#39;s of Everybody Hates Chris&#39; 1st season to every voting member of the Emmys academy of tv arts and sciences to try and buy the show a nomination or two. No such luck for VM, though. That says UPN cares more about EHC than it does its only drama series. *sigh*

  • April 12, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    Meant to respond before, and I forgot. I took the final phone call ("It&#39;s for you.") to be a direct reference to the cell call that triggered the bomb (the bomb was right next to her), and that it was, indeed, meant to kill Veronica.

  • April 12, 2006, 7:19 p.m. CST


    by torpor_haze

    i must&#39;ve missed the "cheese guy"

  • April 12, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Dont be talking shit about Gilmore Girls and...

    by LordEnigma

    UPN hawking for EHC totally ignores that GG and VM will make their network next year. VM draws, I think, slightly more than EHC. Heck, Smallville and GG combined, draw more than the entire UPN. Nevertheless, not giving props to VM, when next year it will be an even more important part of the network really ticks me off. EHC will be lucky if it has an audience next year. Let alone if it has any emmy chances. That aside, last nights episode of Gilmore Girls, punched a BIG FAT HOLE through every complaint many a fan had over the hiatus. If you are a fan of Bianco, then you pretty much do not get Gilmore Girls. Please, stop wasting my time, the internet&#39;s time, and the Pallidinos time by ranting about storytelling that you are clearly unable to give a fair shake to, let alone understand. If you are a GG fan, and did not get the point of The Real Paul Anka, then you really need to pay much more attention.

  • April 12, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    TorporHaze, I know somebody who can find cheese guy...

    by paulh

    He carries a sack and it rhymes with Jack. :D Set up that perimeter, bring in Jack, Wayne Palmer, Aaron Pierce, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D and they&#39;ll track that fucker down.

  • April 12, 2006, 10:14 p.m. CST

    LordEnigma, there&#39;s major stuff brewing re: Palladinos.

    by paulh

    TV Guide&#39;s Michael Ausiello sent this dispatch from their website tonight: "No decision has been made either way. As I understand it, both sides

  • April 12, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Love the show but . . . .

    by Barry Egan

    the cinematography is awful.

  • April 13, 2006, 1:46 a.m. CST

    love the show but...

    by apophenia

    the cinematography is fine. what are you talking about? please, explain.

  • April 13, 2006, 3:50 a.m. CST


    by optimus122

    Its still listed on my tivo schedule for wednesday night ( last nite ) too so maybe next week the ratings will be better being its on only 1 night.

  • April 13, 2006, 5:06 a.m. CST


    by CatVutt

    Yeah, they did replay it last night in it&#39;s regular time-slot. Gotta give them credit for that. That was a smart move. Hopefully they continued to promo the hell out of it&#39;s move to Tuesdays.

  • April 13, 2006, 5:09 a.m. CST

    And actually...

    by CatVutt

    If they do(and they&#39;d damn well better!) bring it back, they should consider playing previous season episodes on another night like Buffy did during Season Three. That&#39;s how/why I ended up getting hooked on that one.

  • April 13, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    i&#39;m with you catvutt

    by oisin5199

    I was never quite convinced of Lynn&#39;s death. That would be a great twist and a great thing to see Logan react to!

  • April 13, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST

    anyone watching Thief?

    by torpor_haze

    theres an interesting father-daughter dynamic there to in contrast to one in VM

  • April 13, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST

    To clarify

    by Barry Egan

    I think the show is great in terms of acting and writing, but at times it just looks awful. The dream sequences on the school bus were just pedestrian. Hopefully the switch to a new network will provide an increase in the budget for better production values and money to have the full cast in every episode. I hate it when Wallace disappears.

  • April 14, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST

    About this show&#39;s salary problems...

    by Andsoitis

    Isn&#39;t this show produced by Joel "I&#39;m still wiping my ass with Matrix Money" Silver. Why would they have salary issues? Also, since Veronica Mars is produced by the WB anyways, I don&#39;t think they&#39;re going to can the show. At least not next year.

  • April 14, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Fillion for Cap

    by SamBlackChvrch21

  • April 15, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Sherrif Lamb and next season?

    by CatVutt

    The actor who plays Lamb is indicating that his agency has been approached already about Season Three by the WB: "MUHNEY: This is breaking news that I haven