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Is The Rat gonna helm the WOLVERINE spin-off movie after X3?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a bit of a rumor that apparently came from the loose lips of one Vinnie Jones during an interview with MTV. He said he might appear in the WOLVERINE spin-off flick and that he talked to Ratner about it. The direct quote is below, but something's fishy... I'll be back below:

MTV interviewed Vinnie Jones [Juggernaut] the other day and he confirmed that even though his contract includes options for X4+X5, there's a chance he might be in the WOLVERINE movie, which Brett Ratner might wind up directing

"I said this to Brett the other day, and he was saying that they'll probably use a lot of the characters," Jones said, implying that the director will also return alongside star Hugh Jackman in "Wolverine." "Hopefully [the Wolverine/ Juggernaut rivalry] will come into it. There might be something for me and him to get together."

May 26 gets closer..........................

masheen81

That quote is all he really said regarding Ratner in the director's chair. (CLICK HERE FOR THE MTV ARTICLE!) I think it's a bit of a jump to assume that Ratner is directing based on the above. What the article really seems to say above all else is that all this talk from Ratner about X3 being the last movie isn't an opinion shared by the studio, who have signed Jones on to many sequels.

This goes with what I've been hearing about the last minute decision to leave "outs" for some of the big character deaths we've known about since that very first script review last year. It's almost as if 20th Century Fox just remembered that X-MEN is a huge franchise...

I've been hearing some positive word from early secret screenings of X3. Let's hope Ratner proves all us naysayers wrong with the new flick. I'd love for nothing more than to fall in love with X3.



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  • March 19, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    First!!!

    by JaeZion

  • March 19, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    the rat..

    by bob oblaw

    he is going to run this franchise in to the ground deeper than batman circa '97 and superman circa '88

  • March 19, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Does that really mean anything, though?

    by CatVutt

    It's fairly common practice to sign actors in these franchise-type movies to multi-pic deals now regardless of any actual specific or realistic intent to make a sequel, isn't it?

  • March 19, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Oh my god, am Im second to last!?

    by Fleet

    I think they should focus on getting the X-Series right before trying anything like this...

  • March 19, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Xcellent

    by Freakemovie

    X3 is gonna rock almost as hard as my subject line. Notice how Harry's been conspicuously silent about it since the full trailer came out?

  • March 19, 2006, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Tuco Benedito Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez...

    by Det. John Kimble

    HEY BLONDIE. DON'T LET THAT BASTARD DIRRECT ANOTHER X-FILM!

  • March 19, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Ratner's just gonna do X-Men and Rush Hour sequels

    by G'ster

    2006: X-3 2007: Rush Hour 3 2008: Wolverine 2009: X-4 2010: Rush Hour 4 2011: Wolverine 2012: X-5 He ain't in no creative rut!

  • March 19, 2006, 4:26 a.m. CST

    That should have read...

    by G'ster

    2011: Wolverine 2 And... 2013: Rush Hour 5 2014: Wolverine 3 2015: X-6

  • March 19, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST

    whatever

    by yodoga

    i'll wait untill it comes out to form an opinion. however i say this now. thie giver is going to suck, mark my words.....

  • March 19, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Got damn it, tell us about the secret MFing screenings!

    by Tubbs Tattsyrup

    Maaaan, I hope X3 is good...fingers crossed.

  • March 19, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST

    I want to shit in Brett Ratner's shoes every morning.

    by DOGSOUP

    He's fucking Rob Liefeld.

  • March 19, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST

    okay then...

    by Demosthenes2

    if the studio has realized they can keep making X-Men movies, can they drop the cheesy "Last Stand" subtitle?

  • March 19, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST

    What Fox will probably do...

    by moviemaniac-7

    End this trilogy with X3 (obviously) and then start over again. Unknown actors which can be contracted cheaply, other mutants, other story lines, etc. Start over again, make another trilogy. Do the same all over again and repeat when needed.

  • March 19, 2006, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Whats the issue?

    by BendersShinyAss

    the X3 trailer looks great. You know what i think everyone should do? ...... Watch X2 again, this time pretend ratner directed it. You'll see how fucking shit it is.

  • March 19, 2006, 5:10 a.m. CST

    No No No

    by chien_sale

    Who did this guy blow for all the push. Is Avi Arad a closet homo?

  • March 19, 2006, 5:16 a.m. CST

    Leave Ratner alone. There are worse directors.

    by G'ster

    Just imagine Joel Schumacher directing X-3, Wolverine, Superman, or any other fucking movie for that matter.

  • March 19, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST

    That Rat Bastard...

    by Charlie & Tex

    OK, so the trailer of X-3 doesn't look too bad, but you can make a good coming-attraction out of just about anything. We were all practially cumming in our pants when the teaser of Star Wars Episode 1 was playing, and boy did that turn out to be a kick in the balls. Gerald Ratner was a UK impresario who sold gold to the masses, but when he revealed that the product he palmed-off onto the public was "utter crap" his empire crumbled in short order. Let's hope the other one is as honest about his product...

  • March 19, 2006, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Truth is...

    by dr_dreadlocks

    Ratner will shoot and stage X3 as well as he possibly can. The real fault lies in the screenplay. If it's strong, X3 will be strong. If it's weak, Ratner will bring nothing to it and the film will fail. He's only as strong as his material. He's completely capable on a technical level, and he's proven that. But he can't tell a good script from a hole in the wall. So, if the material is there, he'll put it on display. If it isn't, he'll also put whatever the hell THAT is on display. There's a reason why Red Dragon was perfectly fine. He staged and shot all of the well written scenes capably. So, it turned out okay. Same thing might happen here... If the script is there. That's all I know.

  • March 19, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST

    Secret screenings don't mean dick

    by Mattapooh

    Anyone remember the positive reviews coming out of "secret screenings" for Blade Trinity? What we got was a monstrosity on the level of Robocop 3. The X-Men movies have always been shitty plots with great character moments, but it looks like this one is fucking up the character moments and going right into the pooper.

  • March 19, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST

    You know that I'm this time on the Nay-Sayer side...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ..but why do you HATE Rattner so much? Did he ever made such a cineastic crime like, let's say "Batman & Robin" or "Alien Vs. Predator"? I agree that he is not the right director for X3 (But I hope that it will be a positive surprise anyway), but did he to deserve so much hate?

  • March 19, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Vinnie Jones...

    by TheNeth

    Is well known for talking out of his arse when it comes to "movie rumours." Take anything he says with a fistful of salt.

  • March 19, 2006, 7:32 a.m. CST

    TomBodet...Dr. Trask is in this one...so......

    by masheen81

    ...rewatch the first 8 seconds of the trailer and listen carefully to Bill Duke's lines. you get the idea.

  • March 19, 2006, 8 a.m. CST

    X men comics

    by Sleeping_Angel

    So, I don't know how many people who write in here actually read the comics, but 90% of the stories are crap. come on, admit it. how many times can they go back to that dinosaur land and fight lizard men, then bring characters back to life soap opera style. I don't even what to talk about house of M, I stopped reading it because I just didn't understand what the crap was going on half the time.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:01 a.m. CST

    I still haven't gotten an answer...

    by I Dunno

    as to what you guys think Bryan Singer would do better than Ratner with the same script. I don't think most of you have the first clue as to what a director even does but there's a hate bandwagon, might as well jump on it.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Don't care if X3 is good

    by DannyOcean01

    Ratner and Singer would both be wrong for a Wolverine movie. It needs a much darker style...not saying it's going to an adult movie, but the X films are too clean. We need to see Logan up against a fucking bear in the snow for Christs sake.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    I Dunno

    by Monkey Butler

    If Singer was still on board, he would've had a different script. I think that's the point. Whoever said that Ratner will do the best he can is right, but when it comes down to it he's a bit of a hack - he was hired by the studio because he's a workhorse. He'll do what's required of him by the studio, and that may or may not be good. But it won't be what Singer would've done. Personally, I don't have that much of a problem with that, because the previous 2 X movies weren't the best thing in the world, but I'd still rather see Singer's X3 just for the story.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Boy, remember the days when secret screenings...

    by tiredpm

    ...got write-ups on this site? Even if they were eventually proven to be complete and utter crap? I always thought that was part of the fun, dodgy reports that caused 50% of people to scream "PLANT!", 25% to call bullshit and the other 25% to declare the movie the best thing ever. I guess we're now in the era of Ain't It Cool News Now That We've Cleaned It Up And Run It By Our Legal Team So We Don't Piss Off All The People We've Started Working With Nowadays. C'mon, guys, you're doing this a little too often these days: dropping hints and nuggets around the site that y'all know more than you're letting on but not coming through or sharing. At some point you need to show your cards, fold or just flat out admit that you're not playing the same game you used to play. Not flaming, just pointing out a trend that's getting to a be a little tiresome.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Oh and Sentinels

    by DannyOcean01

    Tell me the last shot of the first trailer isn't Wolverine being thrown at a Sentinel? Wasn't most of the fast-ball specials directed at Sentinels? Just don't let them be small Sentinels...God that would suck.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST

    X3 will easily be better than Bryan Singer's X1 & X2.

    by KAWS

    I've noticed how Harry is starting to kickback on bad-mouthing X-Men 3, you wanna know why, because the fucking trailers looked better than both previous films--which both looked like two bad Sci-Fi channel movies? You know this to be true.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Aside from Singer, the greatest loss....

    by Seph_J

    ... is John Ottman. Would have been nice to hear his X2 theme in the new film blaring out over some X-men heroics. What a shame. I also would love for X3 to be spectacular, and whilst X1 and X2 were both great, neither of them were particularly spectacular. (except of coruse from Nightcrawlers WhiteHouse attack!)

  • March 19, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    The Sentinels in X2 according to Zek Penn

    by masheen81

    * The storyline was the same, except for the fact that instead of soldiers storming the house, it was prototype sentinels (their first mission.) The third act was in the same location, but Stryker was stealing Cerebro to download the list of all mutants into the Sentinels. (There was no cerebro-weapon thingy) One scene I was particularly into that got cut was, after Stryker activated the Sentinels, their program decided that the only way to really stop the mutant threat was for them to kill all mutants AND all carriers of the mutant gene. Stryker got stuck in a room with one of his own creations, it scanned him and then (because his son was a mutant) killed him. The finale had Jean pushing the X-Men out and sealing herself in the base and then destorying all ten thousand sentinels in the base in a fiery Phoenix explosion. Obviously, once they decided to cut the Sentinels, all that had to go.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Ratner

    by Chilli815

    Show some respect - he directed The Prison Break Pilot... and has something to do with that shows quality... and it is a fucking fantastic show.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Because you demanded it: http://www.brettratner.com

    by masheen81

    Take the last stand to his official message board http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/brettratner

  • March 19, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    There'll actually be ACTION in this one

    by Ribbons

    In Bryan Singer's crappy 'X2,' there was only that scene with Nightcrawler at the beginning... well, and all the little fights and stand-offs at the end, obviously... and the raid on the X-Mansion... erm... and Yuriko's attack on Cyclops... and Magneto's escape from prison... and the fighter jets pursuing the Blackbird. Huh. Like I said, NO action!

  • March 19, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Rattmacher vs Scuner

    by Seph_J

    Yes, there are worse directors around than Brett Ratner, and yes Batman & Robin was pretty awful - but Joel Schumacher is actually a good director. Falling Down, Tigerland, Phone Booth, A Time to Kill. The only film that I would class of Ratners as being good, is Red Dragon (but then he's had a much shorter career.) There are worse directors around than him, but not Joel Schumacher. Uwe toilet Boll is one of them, as is Paul Anderson. God im looking forward to Aliens Versus Predator 2. Sarcasm. Just by the way, I was watching AvP with commentary the other day, and as the face hugger is slow-moed down, and all horror and fear associated with it obliterated (the shot that single-handedly destroyed the film), Paul Anderson actually says on the commentary "this is my favourite shot of the picture!"..... Puts things into perspective a bit doesn't it. Thank God for Ratner.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Wolverin/Juggernaut rivalry?

    by Terry_1978

    The character has about 50 rivals as it is, and I don't think Cain Marko is the biggest one. Sabretooth, Deathstrike, Omega Red....he has quite a rogue's gallery of his own, but Juggernaut isn't high on the list.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    by HOTDOGVNDR

    There are snakes on a muthafuckin plane?

  • March 19, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Hopefully theyll update that outfit from X3

    by BRUTICUS

    that getup is VERY gay. What were they thinking. And the dude needs to be bigger. Juggernaut is a bore.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    bah....

    by Khan89

    the only thing that looked good in the x3 trailer was the fight in the end....the rest looks shit, woverine has all the bloody speeches, its still gonna suck, or be like FF4, if only a lil better wolverine spin off better be good, brett ratner = boo!

  • March 19, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    by Khan89

    *F4

  • March 19, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Jackman seems to think its the last one

    by antmanx68

    Hugh Jackman said during his acceptance speech at showest that this was going to be the last X-Men movie.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    X3 better than X2?? I laugh heartily at you!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Ratner

  • March 19, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    IMO, Not Worth The Price of Admission

    by Van Damned

    None of the X-Films have been very good: either they were too goofy for those who don't read comic books or they shat on continuity for those who do. I know several people who claimed to love the first 2 movies when they first saw them, only later - upon reflection - to admit as actioners/sci-fi/other they really didn't stand up to another viewing. I don't know yet what I'll be watching in the theatre on the last week of May, but it won't be X3. I'm tired of watching people who claim to "love the characters/story/humanity/etc." crank out stylized celluloid manure.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    And Just in Case You Disagree:

    by Van Damned

    X1: Senator Kelly as Snot-Man/Sabretooth Neutered (I mean, c'mon "Sceam for me"?). X2: Stryker went from a serious religious psycho in the comics to a low-grade boss character in Metal Gear Solid / Deathstryke also reduced from Wolverine foe with a past to disposable henchman / Jean Grey's "death". Yes, a tidal wave would kill the world's strongest telekinetic.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Joel Schumacher is NOT a good director!

    by DerLanghaarige

    The only film that didn't make me want to claw my eyes out was "Lost Boys" and even that one has some unintended funny scenes.

  • March 19, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Forget X3

    by Sizable Newt

    Snakes on a motherfucking Plane will be the best action/genre film of the year. And there's not a GOD DAMN thing you can do about it!

  • March 19, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Reguarding shumacher....

    by HolyCalamity

    Thumbs Up: Phantom of the Opera (should have been better, but I enjoyed it) Tigerland, A Time to Kill, The Client, Flatliners,FALLING DOWN (KICKS ASS), LOST BOYS (lets do some fuzzy math, LB's is from 87, so thats 19 years ago, you can say on average 2 major vamp movies come out a year, so thats 28 "MAJOR" vampire movies to come out since The Lost Boys, be honest with yourself, HOW MANY OF THOSE 28 are actually better, or even close for that matter, to the LOST BOYS!!) Thumbs Down/OK (I'm combining these to to make the list longer..lol): Veronica Guerin, Phone Booth, BAD COMPANY (this should really take up 2-3 positions, as it is one of the worst FUCKIN MOVIES EVA')8mm (kinda liked it, but not enough for the "thumbs up"), Batman and Robin/Forever (didn't like these movies, but to be fair, they look JUST LIKE A COMIC COME TO LIFE, so on that you have to give joel credit), Dying Young, DC muthafuckin' CAB.... whew... I would have to say that I like joel shumacher and if every director in Hollywood was batting 500 (and joels "hits" are quite good) then we would be seeing much more entertaining flicks....PEACE OUT!!

  • March 19, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    X3

    by isildur29

    the X3 video game trailer has sentinels in it fighting in that scene they show with all the mutants charging the x-men (same scene in trailer as in video game clip) it would be pretty cool if sentinels made a cameo in the final battle

  • March 19, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    The Rush Hour movies are great.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    But that doesn't mean this guy should be given X-men. I mean, Memento was great and we saw what that guy did to his superhero movie. The trailers look kickass, but the rumors about Wolverine CRYING (THREE TIMES!) had better not be fuckin' true or else there is a huge chance of sucking. Also, what the fuck is up with Beast's pink costume?

  • March 19, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    they are all wolverine movies, really

    by xenaman

    just like the comics, both x-films have been about wolverine, so I can't imagine a solo movie will be much different.

  • March 19, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The pink costume thing...

    by Seph_J

    ...has been cleared up. ITS JUST THE LIGHTING in the teaser poster.

  • March 19, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hate to say it...

    by Seph_J

    ... but Wolverines "she's gone" line, spoken to Cyclops through tears in X2 was one of the worst delivered lines in the history of cinema. Sorry Hugh, but it was pretty lame.

  • March 19, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Things are gonna get worse and worse

    by performingmonkey

    Who actually wants the fucking Wolverine spinoff? They should end it all with X3 while they have the chance to get out. X3 is gonna be worse than X2 and the spinoff would be even worse. Bad idea to do it. I hope X3 bombs so no future movies will be made and Ratner's career will be over.

  • March 19, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, DOGSOUP!

    by OurManInMontr

    I mean that in a nice way...: reading "He's fucking Rob Liefeld" made grape juice come out my fucking nose, tabarnak. The New Mutants was only the first of too many filthy, hurtful assfucks. Why DC ever gave this creative void a chance to get noticed or how any comics fan could ever appreciate his tangy spew is way, way beyond me. He was definitely one of the major factors that got me turned of comics in the early 90's and sticking with 'Sandman' and 'Hellblazer' exclusively. In all fairness, Ratner is nowhere near as bad as that fucking talentless, bottomless ass hole. 'Red Dragon' was more than adequate, but no 'Manhunter', right? Still, I think Ratner deserves a chance (or two). I've not cared much for what he's put out as of now, but not because HE was attached to it. They were all movies I could do without, regardless of the director. I'm pretty sure this guy has one good movie (or a string of good movies, with any luck) in him yet. If X3 is it, all the better. If not, among X4 thru X12 should be a couple of installments that will help heal the pain. >>>HolyCalamity: Man! You sure wear that name!

  • March 19, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST

    I'm telling you X3 will kick serious ass!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Mark my words. So says the "Wise one."

  • March 19, 2006, 1:32 p.m. CST

    performingmonkey

    by Seph_J

    Performing monkey: " I hope X3 bombs so no future movies will be made and Ratner's career will be over."..... and they say this site is for people who love film. Judging by the performance of this monkey, thats not the case. Mate, you are on the wrong site.

  • March 19, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The franchise will suffer greatly from <spoiler>

    by 3 Bag Enema

    ...their having killed off Xavier. I honestly believe the studio thought, "Why do we have this bald cripple leading the X-Men? Give the leadership to the real star, Halle Berry!" And this is indicative of how this franchise succeeded *despite* Fox, not because of it.

  • March 19, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t they need to know how Brett did with X3?

    by IAmLegolas

    Box office wise, I mean? Or are they satisfied with having acquired their YES MAN director and are just going to pile him on with X-Men projects, keeping it away from those pesky auteurs? Have we learned nothing from BATMAN & ROBIN?

  • March 19, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    OurManInMontr

    by HolyCalamity

    ">>HolyCalamity: Man! You sure wear that name!" ....hey man, sorry...maybe this is obvious to everyone else, but I don&#39;t know what you&#39;re saying!! haha...I&#39;m From MN, and you know how DENSE we are up here :)

  • March 19, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    clips online

    by the_jujy

    the showest clips that hit yesterday look reasonably okay. they are clearly not done, but so far, all the moving images we&#39;ve seen have been good.

  • March 19, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    No matter what, X3 will suck because of Phoenix

    by Triumph poops!

    Having just seen the trailer again last night at V FOR VENDETTA, I still have some hope that X3 will actually be better than anyone here (ie. Harry) had predicted. I agree with someone above who noted that Ratner isn&#39;t all THAT bad, he&#39;s simply as good as whatever script he has to work with. In short, he&#39;s simply competent -- you&#39;ll get an "OK" action movie -- but he&#39;s not a real visionary talent like a Cameron or Speilberg. But basically he action scenes in the RUSH HOUR movies aren&#39;t bad, so ideally X3 could be all right. On the flip side, I figure I&#39;ll hate x3 for the simple reason that they totally botched and pissed all over the Dark Phoenix storyline, a true comic classic. Hey, I don&#39;t need a 100% fully faithful translation...I can deal with SOME differences in taking the story and translating it from print to film...but what they&#39;ve done with Phoenix, in terms of X3, is a total WASTE of opportunity. For to that end, I might enjoy X3 for what it is, but when I walk out of the theater there&#39;s simply NO WAY that the ONE thought in the back of my head won&#39;t be the bastardization of Phoenix and "what could have been." And what could have been was simply one kick-ass, all-time classic epic comic book movie is only they&#39;d done Phoenix right.

  • March 19, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    REMEMBER THIS, IT AIN&#39;T RATNERS FAULT IF IT&#39;S BAD.

    by Shermdawg

    DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!

  • March 19, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    If they bring Sabretooth back...

    by Shermdawg

    How about Clancy Brown??? or Sean Bean, if he can ditch the accent. I always thought of Sabretooth as a mix of Gary Busey and Sid Vicious (The wrestler), but Brown, or Bean would be cool. DYR!!!

  • March 19, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t know.

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Trying to be objective, Singer has made only one great film. And he&#39;s had more chances than most. And though I&#39;ve watched them more than once and have plenty of fond feelings for them, neither X-Men 1 or 2 really captured the X-Men Feeling, whatever that is. And my favorite bits from the two movies are bits that reminded me enough of the comics I loved as a kid. When Xavier tells Magneto he&#39;ll always be there to stop him or the Phoenix shadow unfolds under the water of the lake, I was filling in a lot of blanks with my love for the long ago comic. And there is no denying that Jean&#39;s death by dam, in the situation they created, takes a lot of...creative suspension of disbelief to take seriously. On the other hand, word of the rushed schedule, the everything but the Dazzler appearance of mutants, the replay of the doctors, don&#39;t let those babies grow up to be mutants plotline, the lack of Hellfire or time for the Phoenix storyline to grow to a payoff, and the addition of Brett Ratner, who sorry, has never made a good movie, made me a bit fearful. But there were things in the trailer that looked good. There were some things that looked bad, too, but the good gave me a little hope. And outside of Red Dragon, nothing that Ratner&#39;s done had a chance to be really good. Maybe pedestrian and predictable, at best. And the first Rush Hour was no worse than any of the buddy cop movies to vomit themselves into theaters in the last decade and a half. And Red Dragon wasn&#39;t as bad as Hannibal (or as good as Manhunter or more memorable than a Quarter Pounder with Cheese). So maybe, just maybe this will put the director together with the material he&#39;s been waiting for. Or maybe it will at least be as good as 1 or 2, flawed, not really understanding the X-Men, but with just enough of the flavor that you can imagine how an X-Men movie should taste. I&#39;ll be there. I&#39;ll take the kids and bore them by telling them how the story(ies) played in the comics. Scared, yeah. Hopeful? Until they drive a celluloid stake through my heart. Or three. Hey. Maybe Ratner should have directed the SW prequels.

  • March 19, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Also, I doubt he could act the part...

    by Shermdawg

    but, more than once, have I pictured Jason Statham as Logan. "Transport this bub!" *SNIKT* DYR!!!

  • March 19, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Re: HolyCalamity

    by OurManInMontr

    Don&#39;t mean disrespect in any particular amount, sir, but trying to convince people that Joel Schumacher is a talented filmmaker could easily be perceived as a calamity (Holy or not is another matter) upon AICN film fans. Calamity as in affliction, disaster, plague, etc. Of course, I&#39;m exaggerating; Schumacher is capable of much better than many alarmingly inept directors getting work today, though that&#39;s not necessarily saying much. In fact, I&#39;m totally with you on &#39;The Lost Boys&#39;. I absolutely loved that one back in the day. &#39;Course, I was the perfect age (13) and temporarily infatuated with Jami Gertz (blame it on &#39;Solarbabies&#39;!)... Still, this movie holds to this day the record for Halloween costume inspiration in my life: I dressed up as a leather jacket/earring/shades-wearing vampire no less than 6 times. &#39;Flatliners&#39; and &#39;St-Elmo&#39;s Fire&#39; are still great with popcorn and both sport casts almost as killer as &#39;the Lost Boys&#39;. Other than that, &#39;Falling Down&#39;, &#39;A Time to Kill&#39; and maybe &#39;Phone Booth&#39; were watchable, and little more. And none of these excuse the crimes against humanity that &#39;Batman & Robin&#39;, &#39;Flawless&#39; and &#39;8mm&#39; were, to name only those. The guy isn&#39;t batting .500. Rather, he&#39;s like I expect Ratner to turn out to be: he had A FEW good movies in him, and no great ones. I rarely condemn anyone though, and will be reasonably objective upon viewing his next flicks... I just don&#39;t expect much, like I do from X3; it&#39;s easier to be pleasantly surprised that way. Oh, and thanks for actually taking time to find the "

  • March 19, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Masheen/Sentinels/videogame/movie

    by meta4

    Masheen first off quit copyin and pasting from the superherohyper boards and making it seem like what other people say is your own.....second the thing that im worried about is the sentinels won&#39;t be in the movie period BECAUSE of the game. Alot of the game is based around connecting x-2 with x-3 (the mystery of why Nightcrawler isnt in x-3 besides contract problems, Wolverines FULL weapon-x transformation,Iceman turning into a full fledged x-man, so maybe the sentinels are destroyed in the game (explainin the small iceman vs. sentinel clip) and trask wants revenge in the movie....but god im still holding out hope for the sentinels to be in the movie...i dont care if their in it for a small battle just put em in! or else the movie will blow balls sorry everyone about the wall of text

  • March 19, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ve decided...

    by Hamish

    ...to reserve judgement on this til I actually see it. Ratner may yet hit this one out the park.

  • March 19, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Nowhere to Go

    by BigSugar

    Bullshit! Film is a DIRECTOR"S medium, so if this flick sucks the root, baby it&#39;s all on Rat. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. There&#39;s a lot of people that bandy the word "hack" about on these silly threads, but never has the term had more puropose and meaning when used to describe this guy. Not one moment of nuance or creativity in all of his movies! He&#39;s like looking at a really nice paint-by-numbers picture; sure the technical stuff is there, but there&#39;s no blood going to it. I&#39;m afraid the franchise just hit the fucking floor.

  • March 19, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    clips online?

    by The Irish Asylum

    Earlier it was stated that the showest clips are online, but where?

  • March 19, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Cripes! Maybe...

    by Jaka

    ...the just read the talkbacks here and pretty much all over the net and realized they were totalling pissing off their entire fanbase. lol

  • March 19, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Good casting ideas, Shermdawg

    by OurManInMontr

    but I doubt anything could save Sabretooth&#39;s career in movies after how bad they fucked him in &#39;X-Men&#39;. Nothing about the character was done right. Instead of a 50-some-year-old-looking, gritty, foul-mouthed, smart, cunning SOB, we got a 30-year-old-looking, slow-moving, dim-witted, trisomic, pro-wrestler henchman. The fuck was that about?! In fact, he looked exactly like I would have portrayed Beast Man from the original Masters of the Universe. Fuck. I LOVED &#39;X-Men&#39; and LIKED &#39;X2&#39;, but Sabretooth was just about the biggest of my few disappointments in that whole transition to film. Not that I like the character so much, but it&#39;s sad just to know that I&#39;ll never see exciting, epic teeth & claw battles on film like Alan Davis and Paul Neary could draw them in annuals and &#39;Fall of the Mutants&#39; way back when, especially knowing there&#39;ll be a couple Wolverine spin-offs. Still, if they were to bring him back, Clancy Brown or Sean Bean WOULD be terrific choices. Yeah. Yeeaaah... the Kurgan, particularly.

  • March 19, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Ratner, like Rothman

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    sucks monkey balls. Someone had to say it.

  • March 19, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Fucking JONES gets signed up for sequels...

    by kiddae

    ...while the inexplicably-maligned Tyler Mane - who made for a great Sabertooth, you fools - disappears from the franchise? Awful.

  • March 19, 2006, 3:39 p.m. CST

    OurManInMontr

    by HolyCalamity

    Gotcha.... I&#39;m pretty sure this (what you and I have been doing) is what these talkbacks are for, we&#39;re not calling each other "stupid", "gay" or "canadian"...oops..sorry about that last one! We disagree and thats FINE! I enjoyed chatin&#39; with ya!

  • March 19, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Pleasuretomeetyoutoo, HolyCalamity.

    by OurManInMontr

    I&#39;m not very nice with Tool Schumacher or the Rat, but I&#39;d definitely rather be shown up and find a great movie in X3. Keep your fingers crossed!

  • March 19, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Good one, tubby_bitch!!

    by OurManInMontr

    And I like that you trust us other talkbackers to be smart and so don&#39;t feel the need to point out that you&#39;re being sarcastic. Oh, that Tyler Mane!

  • March 19, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Isildur29...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    The X men 3 video game has nightcrawler in it too. Spiderman 2 video game had mysterio, black cat, and you know, tons of people. Video game cast has little relation to movie cast, just a thing

  • March 19, 2006, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I&#39;d let that slide, OurManInMontr

    by kiddae

    ...if it didn&#39;t imply I&#39;m actually pleased about the prospect of more (or any) Jones as Juggernaut. However you felt about Mane&#39;s Sabertooth, it&#39;s still better casting than Vincent the Slack-Jawed Thug. In anything. Ever. Sean Bean though? Seriously?

  • March 19, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Actually, that wasn&#39;t about Jones at all.

    by OurManInMontr

    Fuck him! But -man!- fuck Tyler Mane, also! Both are equally good examples of terrible casting. And though I did say I&#39;d favor Clancy Brown (admit it, c&#39;mon), yes, Bean could do very well. Although, they&#39;d probably have to pad him up with fake muscle, which is one of the reasons why I think Vinnie Jones is wrong for Cain Marko. If you need a big, big guy, get a big, big guy. Luckily, I couldn&#39;t care much less for how the Juggernaut turns out. But Tyler Mane and thw whole angle they took with Sabretooth? Fucking UGH! Allow me to repeat myself: "Nothing about the character was done right. Instead of a 50-some-year-old-looking, gritty, foul-mouthed, smart, cunning SOB, we got a 30-year-old-looking, slow-moving, dim-witted, trisomic, pro-wrestler henchman. The fuck was that about?! In fact, he looked exactly like I would have portrayed Beast Man from the original Masters of the Universe. Fuck." Comics&#39; Sabretooth called Wolverine "little runt" and could make him his bitch - movie&#39;s Sabretooth had "Bleed for me" and banged his head on metal bars. Pfft.

  • March 19, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST

    OH SHIT....

    by HOTDOGVNDR

    I never really followed Directors careers, sure I could name a lot of them, but couldn&#39;t name a Director by Project, so I looked up Ratner and the writers, Penn and Kinberg at IMDB. Holy fucking shit these guys are still working? Unfuckingbelievable. Someone put these people together, to put their "talents" to work? If Las Vegas was taking money on this, I would put my life savings against this movie. I love the X-men, I will probably see this movie, but it will be while holding my breath and thru my fingers.

  • March 19, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    From an X-men fan

    by bill45

    let&#39;s be truly honest I mine are these comic book films coming out are they really goong to be that memorable years to come and I say because the only comic film that had any kind of pop relevence was the first Batman! yes the hated dreaded Tim Burton movie, but lets be honest, The only way these films can become even the slightest bite memorable is if a director with a vision comes on board and directs. If a director with a vision is not on board well will probably get more half-assed Spider-man and X-men movies.

  • March 19, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    HE HAS ADAMANTIUM IN HIS RIBCAGE!!!

    by BannedOnTheRun

    And snakes on his motherfuckin&#39; plane!

  • March 19, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Rat Connections

    by KabutoKoji

    We have to remember that what Ratner really is is a connections guy. We all know who he got started through his connections with Spielberg. If indeed he is directing this Wolverine movie, that&#39;s how he got it. He went to the right parties, sweet talked the right people. bought a few drinks, played the game the right way, moved the connections and now this...We&#39;ll see this summer how he handles this material. In my book, he has one good movie and that is Red Dragon. But, hey, they hired Tim Story for Fantastic Four and that made 150m+, and X3 will be at least a little bit better and make more...right? Seriously...right?

  • March 19, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    bill45!

    by OurManInMontr

    I think you may be on to something, but I just can&#39;t make out the words from that strange language you&#39;re using.

  • March 19, 2006, 5:56 p.m. CST

    clips online

    by the_jujy

    extremely raw, and the sound/quality is horrible http://www.worldofkj.com/news/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1142706255&archive= &start_from=&ucat=14&

  • March 19, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    ...so the script would have been different with Singer?

    by I Dunno

    Well I seriously doubt that but ok. So going back to Ratner being such a hack, what exactly was so wrong with the DIRECTION of the Rush Hour films? Again, keep in mind that he didn&#39;t write the thing. I think they were well paced, well shot little cop buddy movies. The director of Superman did the Lethal Weapon films, you know. What the hell did Singer do to make you think the X-Men films would be any good? What did Peter Jackson have on his resume that screamed, "Lord of the Rings"? In conclusion, STFU about the director already. Your beef, if anym is with the script and as far as I can see, it doesn&#39;t look any better or worse than the first two.

  • March 19, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    meta4

    by masheen81

    Meta4, my subject line read, "The Sentinels according to ZAK PENN" not "The Sentinels According TO Masheen81." And secondly, I didn&#39;t get that from the "Superherohyper" boards. I got it from TheXverse Community. Get your facts right, kid.

  • March 19, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Clips Look Good

    by justin2819

    Those clips that by the_jujy posted show a pretty bad ass looking battle scene and a psycho looking phoenix trying to have her way with wolverine. From what I see, this movie doesnt look half bad and for the record Red Dragon is a pretty damn good movie.

  • March 19, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Uwe Boll should totally direct this...

    by jimmy Da Sukkus

    no, in all honesty, i hate ratner for some odd reason I know I can&#39;t possibly be the only one completely saddened by the trailer

  • March 19, 2006, 8:02 p.m. CST

    The fact is...

    by G'ster

    I&#39;m an alcoholic, Where&#39;s the fucking toilet? Pas the hotdog (Bizarre, aren&#39;t you Islamic?) Bitch shut your fucking mouth, I&#39;ma keep eatin&#39; till Richard Simmons has to come to my house with a chainsaw to cut me out

  • March 19, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    You know what&#39;s really funny? The sporadic X2 bashing.

    by Freakemovie

    I know most of you are probably fans of the movie, but I&#39;ve seen a handful of posts on here make fun of X2, and this is directed to those folks. Hating X2 is just plain idiotic. The movies are centered around Wolverine, get over it. There was actually character development instead of wall-to-wall action, get over it. Deathstryke was reduced to a minor role because they couldn&#39;t fit yet another backstory into the running time, get over it. Doesn&#39;t hold up to repeated viewings? Give me a break. X2 was an amazing film with, undoubtedly in my mind, the best superhero screenplay ever written. A case of script-by-committee actually working for once. A complete success story. But then you go trying to out-geek the geeks: "You think X3 is gonna suck? Well I thought X2 sucked SO THERE!!" Tools.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    The R A T ...

    by jinryu7

    One thing I can&#39;t say good for Singer on the whole "he is a god due to x-man" thing, is this... WTF?! was with Sabretooth being a retardo-wolf-warebeast of a numbskull?? Hmmm... real nice move there. I guess I always hope for real upcoming auteurs, much like Nolan for Batman. I can&#39;t quite put the Rat or Captain Singer there yet. Thank god X2 helped X1 in ways, but Sabretooth.. I ean they really messed that prequel story up somewhat. (wolvie.) Only time will tell...

  • March 19, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;t give a Rats ass about Ratner.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    He is a hack. He will be the death of the X-Men movie franchise.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Captain Singer?

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    More like Captain Planet.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Xmen films...

    by Webster_Daniels

    have had potential, but neither have not been all around great films. I&#39;m not trying be a dick about it. Just the facts. Singer is not the best shooter of action, Ratner is compentent, not shitty and not great. The biggest problems with the films are the same with every superhero movie that&#39;s been released: the script. It&#39;s incredibly hard to balance sensibility, tone, reverence to source material, and character development in a real world setting. It&#39;s even harder when you have a bunch of people who aren&#39;t always respectful or knowledgeable of the source material. When you think about it, it really is a small miracle Hollywood&#39;s made as many watchable superhero movies as it has. Hopefully one day a young Speilberg, Zemeckis, or Lucas comes along and blows us all away.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Fox Jumps the Shark on X3: We All Lose

    by Van Damned

    I have no doubt that any fan of the comic book could direct a better X-Men movie than Hollywood&#39;s drones. If anyone in Hollywood&#39;s listening, give me the money and I&#39;ll film you a &#39;Wolverine&#39; feature that will have both fanboys and the general audience drooling. Hand to God. If it doesn&#39;t kick the shit out of any X-movie before, I&#39;ll agree to spend the rest of my life formally apologizing to the studio heads in the most humiliating fashions they can muster up. C&#39;mon, I dare ya.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeah; Here&#39;s My email address

    by Van Damned

    Just to further goad you, it&#39;s johnknox@hotmail.com I DARE you to pick someone who knows the characters for years (specifically me, but hey any fanboy would do) to helm a &#39;Wolverine&#39; feature.

  • March 20, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    I really wonder about some posters

    by alpha

    the trailer looks fine, Angel looks fine, the film looks fine. It might be crud but all the evidence suggests it will be nice looking crud. People love to slag the directors but Singer did a fine job adapting the X-Men franchise to the screen. Ratner has done solid work over his career and people seem to forget that the guy that did Braindead and Meet the Feebles directed LOTR. Give a director a big budget and everything changes some guys have no idea what to do with it others rise to the occasion. I always thought Lucas was the perfect example of a guy who didn&#39;t know what to do with the money - the Star Wars films look wonderful but rather than spend a little more on the script he just goes with his basic work - the guy is a ideas guy but cant write a coherent natural conversation - Imagine the recent 3 Star Wars films with some script doctoring work from Tarantino, Whedon or Goldman. I&#39;m not going to say X3 is going to be the best thing since sliced bread but at this point it looks like its going to be acceptable.

  • March 20, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST

    yummmmm....

    by HolyCalamity

    yummmmmmm....sliced bread!!

  • March 20, 2006, 12:46 a.m. CST

    sentinels!

    by ftmigs

    so ratner apparantly confirmed the sentinels are in the movie on iesb http://iesb.net/fox2006/032006.php things are looking up for this movie

  • March 20, 2006, 1:58 a.m. CST

    I thought X1 and X2 were already Wolvie movies

    by I Dunno

    Wolverine being the center of the X-Men universe is a function of lazy writing. He&#39;s the easiest character to write for because he&#39;s the easiest to relate to. He&#39;s the Han Solo of mutants. He can stand back and make wisecracks about the freaks because he&#39;s not really all that much of a mutant. He heals fast and he has claws that he doesn&#39;t have to use. Aside from the bad haircut, there&#39;s no reason why he can&#39;t pass for a normal guy. Of all the characters with all these whacky powers and characteristics that make them so far apart from humans, they pick this bland ass guy to center not only the whole X-Men franchise but a spin off franchise around? Not exactly a bold or daring choice.

  • March 20, 2006, 2:14 a.m. CST

    ftmigs

    by Shermdawg

    http://aintitcoolnews.com/tb_display.cgi?id=21970#1043451 Go there and check out my post "Ok, there is speculation about the Sentinel&#39;s showing up." and the one below it, where I lay out the evidence of The Sentinels showing up in the Danger Room sequence. In fact, I was the first and only to bring this up. (Not to mention, I&#39;m the only person that maintains there is a hidden face in the clouds in a mirrored and flipped image of the Spidey 3 teaser shot.) I read the Ratner interview and it is far from confirmation that there are any Sentinels in there. But, he did say he wanted to get both them and the Danger Room in the flick, so possibly that backs up my claim that thats the only place you&#39;re gonna get your big purple robuts! DYR!!!

  • March 20, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST

    The only director that can do true justice to Wolverine

    by IamNumber1

    ...is James Cameron. The guy is a dick, and that&#39;s why he makes the badass movies with the badass heroes fighting the baddest motha fuckin villains!...Titanic excluded. Remember the scene in T2 where Arnold first gets on the Harley in his biker gear and cruises down the highway to "bad to the bone?" Just picture Hugh Jackman on the Chopper instead while smokin a cigar, and you&#39;ve got the perfect introduction to a Wolverine spin-off.

  • March 20, 2006, 3:33 a.m. CST

    For gods sake

    by Ridge

  • March 20, 2006, 3:34 a.m. CST

    For gods sake

    by Ridge

    Would they for the love of god, put Sabre Tooth in it, and this time make a character out of him? Make him threatening, explore his links to Wolverine... theres a deep as hell story right there but I bet you they go for some smaller minded bullshit.

  • March 20, 2006, 4:57 a.m. CST

    Panterarocks

    by G'ster

    Yeah, G! That&#39;s the shit!

  • March 20, 2006, 5:33 a.m. CST

    Ratner speaks

    by masheen81

    Ratner: " BR: In this world, once you see the movie you will be like where else are they going to go? They can&#39;t go any further than this. I mean we went far, I mean as far as the scope of the movie, as far as the emotions, drama, the consequences. It read like this is the fuckin&#39; last movie, period." ----http://iesb.net/fox2006/032006.php

  • March 20, 2006, 6:42 a.m. CST

    You gotta hand it to Ratner, though..

    by moondoggy2u

    at least he was able to get the setinels on screen. If I recall correctly, the only type of fighting Singer could ever film was when it was Matrix style hand to hand combat. When did you ever see a mutant power v. mutant power style confrontation that lasted more than 10 seconds on film?

  • March 20, 2006, 6:43 a.m. CST

    You know, the type of fighting that required

    by moondoggy2u

    an effects budget?? Hell, I saw more mutant powers in ROTS...

  • March 20, 2006, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I WANT UWE BOLL TO DIRECT THE WONDER TWINS

    by stlfilmwire

    Have UWE BOLL direct Freddie Prinz Jr. and Jordan Ladd in a Wonder Twins movies. Tell me u wouldn&#39;t want to see that hunk of poop? Imagine a real life blue monkey running around? Imagine their villian: Bizarro Superman. How sweet of a poop would that be. The idiot to play Bizarro Superman? Ashton Kutcher, of course. Box office gold!

  • March 20, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    As someone pointed out above...

    by Childe Roland

    ...anchorite, it wasn&#39;t this site that implied X3 would be the last of the franchise, it was Ratner himself. And I think no matter what else he may have gotten wrong in making this movie, that was the one thing he got right so far. This is it for the X-films. It&#39;ll be Wolverine and Friends from here on out.

  • March 20, 2006, 9:39 a.m. CST

    X3 could be the next "Citizen Kane"

    by Novaman5000

    And you people would shit all over it. Granted, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s going to be, but most of you here at AICN are going to call it a failure regardless of it&#39;s quality, and that&#39;s kind of sad.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Juggernaut should&#39;ve been played by

    by OurManInMontr

    Kyle Gass. You can feel it in your gut, this is the truth. KG can feel it in his. Can&#39;t stop the D.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    See, I dont understand everyone&#39;s slavish attitude

    by moondoggy2u

    Not gonna be like Singer!! X-men 3 is not gonna be like the first two!! And I say thats a good thing. X-men 1 was good, but very thin on plot. Dialogue was a bit sketchy at times, and Singer&#39;s direction wasnt any more noticable than any other "director-for-hire" (ala Ratner). I agree that Singer has a better resume then Ratner. However, Both X flicks were pedestrian in direction. The second movie was much more enjoyable in terms of plotting. However, again, where was the fight between mutants? No one really used their powers on each other for more than a handful of seconds. Where was anything...eXtraordinary? I propose that Singer was scared of showing full-blown mutant duke-outs. Perhaps it was budget or taste. However, the fact that this new superman movie thats coming out is showing a similar problem (supes fighting yet another cerbral villain). I think Singer is unfamiliar with action scenes that involve anything more spectacular than wire-fu. I&#39;m not saying the X flicks werent great (they were). I am saying, however, they did fail in some areas--mainly the lack of convincing character battles. And I think that is where i&#39;m hoping Ratner will succeced-in showing full blown mutant battles. Heck, at least he&#39;s finally introducing Sentinels.

  • March 20, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Speculations on script and Wolverine spinoff

    by oisin5199

    All the actors in different interviews have said that the script is the best of the three. So maybe everyone&#39;s jumping the gun. The first film, despite having some awful dialogue, also had some great economy. Sometimes an entire history, character and range of emotions was encapsulated with one line. For instance, Xavier&#39;s &#39;He helped me build it,&#39; referring to Magneto and Cerebro. Or Logan&#39;s &#39;Every time&#39; in response to Rogue&#39;s question about popping the claws and whether it hurt. And if indeed there are Sentinels in that Danger Room sequence, it&#39;s probably one of those &#39;homages&#39; to the comic, rather than an adaptation. An adaptation would have to involve government use of them, like the proposed scenes in X2 (Which would have been awesome, much more than the movie was). As I&#39;ve always said, I love the X movies, but they could have been so much more! I&#39;ve always said what others are saying here about Sabretooth. He definitely needs someone who can act, who can come off as smart (if not intelligent), deadly, psychotic and scary. I&#39;m liking the Clancy Brown vibe, but of course, they&#39;d never cast that old. I know everyone goes on about him as Gambit (all wrong), but Josh Holloway with the right costume and makeup could be an interesting choice. He doesn&#39;t have the Clancy Brown voice, but I&#39;m thinking he can do other things besides the Sawyer drawl. I think Juggernaut has absolutely no place in a Wolverine spinoff. Maybe in the Magneto spinoff when he and Xavier are younger, or maybe as someone to mess with the younger generation in the other spinoff. Wolverine needs to be gritty and non-superhero, it needs to be about Weapon X, Sabretooth, Silver Fox and needs to have some serious mindfucks in it, and Wolverine has to go fucking crazy and kill people as part of the experiment on him. R rated, definitely. Maybe just a dash of the Origin comic (which Jackman has said is his favorite Wolverine story) in there too. And the sequel has to be all about Japan and perhaps Madripoor (which they have said they want to do if they get to do another one). Some Patch action, maybe. Of course, the question is whether it will be a prequel or current with flashbacks. So many possibilities, but it needs someone with a subtler touch than Ratner, that&#39;s for sure.

  • March 20, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    the Wolvie spinoff WILL be a prequel

    by oisin5199

    Just noticed this on Superherohype.com - Jackman hinted it and Rothman confirmed it. Hmm..interesting.

  • March 20, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Spider-man 2 -IS the best superhero film ever...

    by Seph_J

    ... Someone earlier said that the Spider-man films were &#39;half-arsed&#39;. WTF is wrong with you? While I happen to believe they are about as good as the genre gets, I can understand peoples views on their flaws. But &#39;half-arsed&#39;? seriously? If Spider-man 2 was &#39;half arsed&#39; what the fuck was Elektra?

  • March 20, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Elektra was "nice arced."

    by moondoggy2u

  • March 20, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    ehh...thats "nice arsed."

    by moondoggy2u

  • March 20, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    WOW you gotta love Ratners optimism. All credit to him!

    by Seph_J

    RATNER: "I am doing pick ups, the movie is done. When I saw the movie and I had ideas and said to Tom [Rothman] I have an idea to do

  • March 20, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    For the last time though...

    by Shermdawg

    the interview you guys keep bringing up, does not confirm Sentinels. He said he wanted to get them and the Danger Room in the flick. It doesn&#39;t mean he actually pulled it off. It&#39;s kinda like me saying...Today, I want to bang Kristin Kreuk and drink a big glass of chocolate milk. Guess what? Just because I want to do something, doesn&#39;t mean I actually did it. I may have been successfull at one, but not both......lactose man, lactose. DYR!!!

  • March 20, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Best Superhero script ever...

    by muvynupe

    Is actually "The Incredibles." And here&#39;s the thing... They managed to cram character development, humor, drama, intrigue, great score, incredible fight sequences into a feature length film. Not to mention, we finally see a team that instinctively uses their powers in tandem to clobber the enemy! Usual Suspects was great, but X-Men was NOT a great superhero movie. He neutered the most powerful mutant in Marvel continuity (although he fixed Magneto somewhat in the sequel). The mutants were under-powered (typically a necessity, but Jean Grey struggling to hold the TOAD!) and they had no sense of teamwork. It took the final battle for them to act in concert and then, it was pretty lame. Not to mention that Rogue&#39;s entire comic continuity hinges on her bad girl past and upbringing by Mystique. Lose that plot thread and her raison d&#39;etre is severly comprimised. Anyhow, I like what I &#39;ve seen of the trailer so far. Still wondering how they managed the Dark Phoenix tranformation without Mastermind, but at least it looks like Magneto has his balls back. Ratner wasn&#39;t my first choice, but he took the job and the movies done. Why bitch until you can see the frickin&#39; thing? JEEZ! Get Brad Bird to direct the next one, and I&#39;ll be interested...

  • March 20, 2006, 5:22 p.m. CST

    courtesy of IGN...

    by Shermdawg

    As the filmmakers are now editing The Last Stand&#39;s final battle, it may in fact not be Beast&#39;s final battle. "I think he&#39;s somebody that we&#39;re going to want to see back in future sequels," says Gorder. "I mean, you could almost do a Beast sequel on it&#39;s own, because he&#39;s got such an interesting story." (I&#39;m sorry, but unless they get rid of the Earth Girls Are Easy fursuit, a Beast flick ain&#39;t gonna work.) DYR!!!

  • March 20, 2006, 6:22 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m the Juggernaut Bitch!

    by Jesus_and_Tori

    Am I the only one who saw the trailer for Superman Returns. It looks retarded as hell. As shitty as X-3 will be there is no way it is gonna be worse than that hunk of shit Superman Returns. All you have to do is look at the actor is the superman suit and you can tell that no good can come of this.

  • March 20, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    No one dies forever in a comic book

    by spaceghost_me

    I don&#39;t understand all this outrage that major characters might "die" in X3. How many times have the X-Men been "dead" in the various mags? I think all of them have been dead at least once, if not more...its a movie based on a comic books, which have character "death" and "rebirth" as one of the most used plot devices...

  • March 20, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Yep, they&#39;ve all died

    by muvynupe

    All the X-Men were "killed" protecting the earth from Forge&#39;s arch-enemy, but were almost instantaneously "reborn" courtesy Roma and the Siege Perilous. The Beyonder also killed the New Mutants. They were reborn, but lost all their training and had to relearn all that herodom.

  • March 20, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    I hate to call him out on it, but...

    by Novaman5000

    Ratner&#39;s lying in that quote. They&#39;ve been reshooting alot of shit, in fact, none of the producers could decide on what they wanted to redo... Each wanted different things. What is he talking about not reshooting anything?

  • March 21, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Ever since

    by Yamato

    Sin City, I keep picturing Clive Owen as Gambit. Just looks the part, not certain if he would be good at it

  • March 21, 2006, 5:50 a.m. CST

    I had a dream just now.

    by don music

    That I was at the theatre opening night of X3. The movie opened with Professor X talking to The Beast in his office. This scene is intercut with shots of Iceman in class at the school. Suddenly, Magneto walks in, Iceman freaks out, almost freezes him, but Magnus gives him an "ah-ah-ah" look/wag of his finger, looks down at his feet, and there&#39;s a boombox. He pushes play, and the scene becomes a dance montage...apparently Bobby Drake just loves hip-hop music. He gets more and more carried away, and starts to do moves that Magneto shouts out, "Cabbage Patch! Pogo! Worm!" The next thing we know, Magneto has talked Iceman into freezing all of his classmates, so that he can kidnap the most powerful young students of Professor X. Then I saw Wolverine flying with Storm, and the FX sucked! Listen to me. 4 months before Spiderman came out, I had a dream that I walked into Toys R Us, bought a spidey web-slinger, and proceeded to swing all across Manhattan. Best. Dream. Ever. X3? Awful plot points, bad effects, and the worst acting Jackman has done. (and I friggin&#39; LOVE Jackman&#39;s acting. Seriously.) Granted. This was just in a dream, but let&#39;s see how prophetic it is, yeah? Just for fun.

  • March 21, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    That wasn&#39;t a dream

    by BrandLoyalist

    You saw the leaked webcam ShoWest footage

  • March 21, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    So I&#39;m curious to know which characters...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...are being spared from the chop and to be honest, why the heck do we need a Wolverine film? I&#39;m pretty damn sure we&#39;ve had two and I assume a third all about the character. Wolverine The Movie? Just call it X4 and be done with it. I was hoping X3 was going to put a little more flesh on the bones of characters like Cyke and Mystique but I suppose just doing another Wolvie story with added Berry was just an easier option.

  • March 21, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST

    Wolverine solo movie should be solo!

    by Curious Jorge

    They should use the Wolverine mini-series from the 80&#39;s that Frank Miller and Chris Claremont did. Wolverine in Japan, learning to fight as samurai, falling in love with Mariko.

  • March 21, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Jason Statham as Logan???

    by Shermdawg

    Could he pull it off? Hmmm... DYR!!!

  • March 21, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST

    My thing with Superman Returns...

    by John Dalmas

    ... is that Superman&#39;s been gone from earth for like five or seven years, right? And so Clark Kent&#39;s been gone from the Daily Planet for the same amount of time, right? So just when Supes happens to come back to earth, Clark walks into the planet and gets his old job back? Retarded. Plus, the whole "Lois has a baby with another man" seems like a kind of gay fantasy about raising a child without actually having to screw a woman.

  • March 21, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST

    X2 = Overrated

    by Flickerhead

    Good flick. Not exceptional in any way, but a good flick. I have one hope for X3, and it is that we will finally see some full-on mutant throwdown action. The fight sequences in X1 and X2 were nice, but we&#39;ve yet to see any truly electrifying mutant battles.