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Quint sees SUPERMAN RETURNS footage at ShoWest! Full rundown here!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here typing away in the lobby of the Paris Hotel and Casino. I have just returned from the luxurious green room (believe me, they didn't want me there, but WB already had me scheduled) where I interviewed Brandon Routh. Routh is a huge guy, by the way. He's not bulky, but he's tall (I'm right at 6 foot and Routh was at least 3 or 4 inches taller than me).

But all that's a story for another day. Right now I'm going to tell you about what I saw right beforehand at the big WB panel regarding SUPERMAN RETURNS.

This was actually 2nd up of the 4 presentations they had, but not only is SUPERMAN the one with the most fan interest, but it was also my favorite presentation of the day.

SUPERMAN geeks will freak out when they see this. I am so psyched for this movie after seeing this footage. It makes the Comic-Con presentation look like a Merchant/Ivory film. Let's get to the footage description.

Everything opened with a breathtaking model shot of that familiar and gorgeous crystal space ship floating through the blackness of space. We then see it maneuvering through debris, charred and blackened. The crystal ship has a bright beam shooting out from the front, searching through the debris. Marlon Brando's voice is over all this: "You will travel far, my little Kal-El. But we will never leave you, even in the face of our deaths. You will see my life through your eyes as your life will be seen through mine." Nice, eh?

We then saw a lot from the first trailer, footage of Superman's return to the farm. This was inter-cut with new scenes... his arrival shaking the Kent farm, Scrabble pieces jittering and falling off the table, one piece onto the floor next to a dog (Krypto? heh... no cape and doggie outfit...), as Ma Kent looks around nervously, a bright light illuminating the night outside the kitchen window as Kal-El's ship flies over. There was more stuff with young Clark, growing up. Clark putting on his glasses with Ma Kent's voice over: "Your father used to say that you were put here for a reason... You know, the world could always use more good reporters..."

Then we cut to Routh in his Clark Kent get-up, standing Metropolis, with the Superman theme blaring in glorious trumpets. I might get a few things jumbled up here, but there was a simple shot that gave me goosebumps... Street level Metropolis as people look up at Superman flying above the street, down the avenue, framed by skyscrapers on all sides. What made me geek out at this shot was the Superman they were looking at looked photoreal. It could have been a stunt dude on a rig, I guess, but he flew all the way down the street, cape flapping.

There's lots of stuff within the Daily Planet. Frank Langella yelling out, "I want to know it all. Olsen, I want to see photos of him everywhere!" Cuts to Jimmy snapping pics on the street and banks of TVs in window shops with Superman on each. Langella voice over: "Does he still stand for truth, justice... all that stuff?" Then quietly, "Superman returns..."

Clark is then reunited with Lois and meets her child. "Clark! Hey! Welcome back! I see you've met the munchkin." A puzzled Clark looks down and says, "Hello!" By the bye, Routh was totally channeling Christopher Reeve in voice, body posture, etc.

Clark talking with Jimmy Olsen... Olsen says, "Fearless reporter Lois Lane is a mommy." Clark: "Wait... she's married?" Olsen: "It's more like a prolonged engagement." Then footage of Clark meeting James Marsden, who comes off as a really nice guy. As he's shaking Clark's hand, "It's great to finally meet ya'. I've heard so much." We also see footage of Clark holding a framed picture of Lois, Marsden and the kid. He looks pained and suddenly the glass in the frame cracks. Olsen's voice: "But if you ask me, she's still in love with you-know-who."

Back to Langella. "Lois, three things sell newspapers. Tragedy, sex and Superman." Olsen: "Why don't you guys track down Lex Luthor?" Langella: "Luther's yesterday's news."

Cut to big menacing horns as, in close up, Luther (in shadow) is revealed... as doors part in front of him, like elevator type doors. "I don't think so."

Then we see footage of Lex and a team of trained SWAT lookin' dudes in the Antarctic. Then we see Lex actually inside the fortress of solitude, looking around with respect. "This is where he learned who he was. This is where he came for guidance." Another great shot here has Lex standing there, looking at Brando's Jor-El on an icy wall. "Tell me everything."

Then there's that shot that's been out forever of Luthor holding up a crystal like the one Clark used to build the Fortress of Solitude. "To think that one could create a new world with such a simple little object."

Next bit has Lois Lane, her kid and Lex in a place that looked like the lobby of the Daily Planet. Lois is surprised and says Lex's name. The kid looks at Lex, imposing as he is, and says, "You're bald." Lex looks ups with a humorless smirk on his face and says to Lois, "Cute kid... Come with me. You're not gonna want to miss this."

Cut to Clark seeing something is wrong with Jimmy. Jimmy tells him that Lois and Jason (I think) are missing. It was around here that Clark enters an elevator and as the doors are closing he does the infamous shirt opening/reveal of the Superman logo as he looks up and flies straight up, presumably through the roof of the elevator. The next shot had him flying up the long elevator shaft, shedding his Clark Kent clothes as he flies.

The next bit had Lois and Luthor talking again. We don't see them, but we see other footage. Lex: "I have advanced technology thousands of years beyond what anyone can throw at me." Cut to a nasty looking missile with tons of shard-like things coming out of it. Lois: "But millions of people will die!" Lex, a little manic: "Billions!"

It was around here that we see Lex out in front of the Daily Planet with debris and shit falling all around the street and the steps up to the lobby. It was also around this time we see Lex's henchmen causing havoc and mass destruction. There was a chubby dude sitting in the controlling seat of this giant chaingun, taking out cop cars. That cut to this guy sitting in the seat on the top of a building as Superman walks calmly towards him. He's spraying Supes with the chain-gun fire... hundreds of rounds a second, all bouncing off of Superman's chest as he walks towards the man.

Back to Lois. This part had a little of Spacey playing Lex very campy, but he topped it off with something genuinely chilling, that made the camp actually work as a sort of underline to his dementia. Lex: "C'mon. Let me hear you say it... Just once." His finger behind his ear, pushing it forward. Lois: "You're insane." Lex: "NO! Not that..." he laughs. "Not that, the other thing." Lois: "Superman will ne..." Lex: "WRONG!!!" When he screams 'wrong', he's literally towering over Lois, sitting in a chair with her son in her lap, the crazy in his eyes flaring.

Then we see the biggie. Superman trailing a plane with engines smoking. He rips off one of the plane's wings, sending it flying back. The plane goes into a nose dive and Supes charges after it, smoke trails surrounding him as he and the plane are both pointed towards the earth. The shot is the classic Superman shot, with Supes dead center and the camera looking as if it's placed on his back, showing his shoulders up. Keep in mind we're pointed down.

The other wing of the plane rips off and flies right at Superman, which is also us at this point. It rushes up and right as it hits Superman the screen cut to black. The fanfare still going, the title comes up.

There was a little comedic bit at the end with Jimmy, Lois and Perry White leaning down looking right into camera as they're looking at a photo Jimmy shot. Perry: "What you got, Olsen?" We see the pic, taken straight up with a little spec in the sky between the skyscrapers. "Look, in the sky, Chief." Lois: "It's a bird." Perry: "It's a plane." Jimmy: "No, look it's..." Then Clark interrupts, sticking his head in. "You wanted to see me?"

I told you the footage made got my geek pride up. I am floored by what I saw and am foaming at the mouth to see this movie. Routh looks like he nailed both Superman and Clark (not in that way, sickos). I never once stopped during this footage and thought, "You know... that S symbol is too small... and that cape's not the right shade of red," like I did with the first still that came out. I was watching Superman being Superman.

Great stuff. Keep a look out for my other articles about HAPPY FEET, POSEIDON and LADY IN THE WATER.


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  • March 16, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by JethroBodine


  • March 16, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Nice one, Quint

    by tiredpm

    Now I'm foaming at the mouth for this one, too. Although if they're going to use the original score, I'm there anyway with bells on. Nothing makes me get a lump in my throat more than when that music is building up. But now it's starting to sound really good. Any idea when they might make this available online?

  • March 16, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    could have been much worse

    by HypeEndsHere <------ Singer&#39;s original Supes design.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST


    by Steve Zodiac

  • March 16, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    This may bring back people to the movies moreso than...

    by paulh

    Any clubbing over the head about &#39;see movies in the theater&#39; on Oscar night.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Marlon Brando

    by Gilderoy

    So do they have actualy footage of him in it?

  • March 16, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Good,seems to confirm this may be better than expected

    by NarcolepticDog

    I will definently see this now, its not like myself and every other person reading this site wasnt going to anyway. Still confused on how long superman was gone, and how they will have explained clark kents total absence from earth (i doubt he had the flu will work), but im assuming they will explain it in the movie. Still think this will be better than x-men 3. this movie has had way better planning, longer shooting times, and will have a much longer post-filming work for editing, special effects, etc. Anyone know if they are completely throwing out episoded 3 and 4, like they never happened, much like batman begins did with the entire series before it. Well, im estimating that this one will be a big hit, and will post spiderman like figures, maybe even topping it. Plus, it comes out on my birthday. :) As far as first posters, do you guys just constantly refresh the site to find new articles so that you can be the first responders? I seriously do not understand that. Please explain yourselves.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Is Warners attaching a Superman trailer to V??

    by Barry Egan

    Seems like a good idea to me.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    by HypeEndsHere

    and i already want Lois&#39;s kid dead. whooda babydaddy?

  • March 16, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    "actual footage", I mean...sorry

    by Gilderoy

  • March 16, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Sounds pretty decent

    by Terry_1978

    I confess I still want to see him battle a villain on par with him physically, I&#39;m down with this one being more about his....emotional side.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:24 p.m. CST


    by hargon27

    FUCKING-A! Great scoop Quint and very well written with clear details! How long was this footage? 2 or 3 minutes? Any chance it will be used as the Final Trailer?

  • March 16, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by acroyear77

  • March 16, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Good stuff Quint

    by Darth Thoth

    Can&#39;t wait to see this!

  • March 16, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    more importantly.....

    by therightclique

    when are we gonna get the results of that JASON VS competition thingy. thats so much more awesomer than superman.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Quint, I lose respect for you bashing Merchant/Ivory...

    by Sith Witch

    What an ADD world we live in nowadays.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    screw "Fatty".

    by perfecto_fan

  • March 16, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST

    so cyclops is the baxter in this?

    by JoeStokowski

    i&#39;m gay.

  • March 16, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST

    The Footage Wasn&#39;t That Great...

    by JuicyBusey

    I&#39;m at Showest as well, and have been taking the time to go to all the events and see all the movies. Next to the MI3 stuff, I was looking forward to the Superman footage the most. Unfortuneately, it was a huge letdown. I&#39;m a big Sups geek, but I was extremely disappointed with what I saw, and a lot of other people were underwhelmed by it too. From what I was able to gather, the story of Superman Returns is as follows: Sometime after the original Superman movies (I&#39;m assuming Superman II), Sups disappears. Apparently, he got back into his Crystal spaceship and went for a joyride or something. He crashes back at the Kent farm where Ma Kent finds him and takes her wayward son back in. She convinces Clark to go back to his life as a reporter. Clark goes back to Metropolis and the Daily Planet to find things haven&#39;t changed, except for the fact that Lois Lane is now a mom. But he gets his job back around the same time as he decides to be Superman again, and the Daily Planet is buzzing at his return. Meanwhile, Lex Luthor leads a team of people back to the Fortress of Solitude, which he had last seen in Episode II of the original Donner films. He learns all about Superman, and steals a crystal which can grow another fortress-like thing. Luthor steals all the Kryptonian Technology he can from the Fortress, and builds an evil underwater fortress of solitude (which somehow morphs into black crystals laced with Kryptonite). It looks like all his weapons are based off the black/kryptonite crystals. Anyway, Lex returns to Metropolis hell-bent on destroying Superman, so the first thing he does is kidnap Lois and her new bratty kid, just so he can reveal his evil plan to them for using the Kryptonian technology to kill billions of people. Superman runs around trying to stop Lex&#39;s evil cronies, finds out Lois is kidnapped, and flies off to save her. Somehow, the plane Lex and Lois were in gets damaged and starts to crash. Superman chases after it to keep it from crashing. That&#39;s about where the trailer ended, but I&#39;m guessing Superman goes on to save the day, Lois breaks up with her fiance, the kid is really Clark&#39;s lovechild, and Lex is thrown in jail for his evil ways. It&#39;s everything you&#39;ve seen happen before in a Superman movie, only with better special effects. It doesn&#39;t seem to have the epic scope that a Superman movie should have. I will say the best part of the footage that was screened was Kevin Spacey as Luthor. But from what I saw of all the other stuff, I can pretty much say with certainty that Superman Returns, while not being a terrible movie, will disappoint.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s going to be a great year for Superman.

    by Ted Striker

    With the new Superman Returns, and the "Donner Cut" being released on DVD... Sweet.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    sounds great

    by Mr Brownstone

    just reading some of that gave me chills.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Sounds kinda........

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    boring to me. Bring me Batman.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Merchant Ivory reference...

    by Ribbons

    ...I think is meant to imply that the footage shown at Comic-Con was pretty bloodless in comparison to what was screened at ShoWest. I wouldn&#39;t take that much offense to it. Anyway, thanks loads for the right up Quint. Sounds pretty interesting. Well, except for Lex&#39;s whole "I want to destroy the world" angle, but we&#39;ll see.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Chet&#39;s dilemma

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Chet didn&#39;t want to disappoint his father, so he could hardly tell him he didn&#39;t know the first thing about changing the oil. So, there was only one thing for him to do. He shrugged and uscrewed the bottle of cooking oil, raised it to the oil valve and poured it in. Now his father would be happy, he thought.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST

    I just had a terrible thought

    by Doc_Strange

    What if the kid is a central character in the movie and does ridiculous gymnastics which ends up killing Luthor. NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

  • March 16, 2006, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by moondoggy2u

    I&#39;m going to give you a plot spoiler that has obviously been telegraphed a mile away. The kid is Superman&#39;s son, okay? By the end of the movie, you will see the kid exhibet super powers. Thats going to be the "shocking surprise" moment at the end of the film.

  • March 16, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    And yes, thats how you spell exibit at 1 in the morning

    by moondoggy2u

  • March 17, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    or exhibit

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    How many times can you misspell the word in one thread, moondoggy? Not flaming you, though, just giving you a hard time. :)

  • March 17, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    I can&#39;t wait for this

    by googamooga

    The original 1978 film is one of my all time favorites, with the only problem being the casting of that nasty, used up, skag, Margot Kidder as Lois. I never cared much for any of the sequels, as they never cpatured, IMO, the magic of the first . Anyway, this movie sounds like it&#39;s going to rock, hard. I cannot wait.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST

    The kid...

    by Ribbons the end of the film, Superman and Lois share a fond embrace atop the Daily Planet, under the (false) impression that Luthor is unconscious. Wrong. In grand movie tradition, he comes to, just in time for one last attempt on the hero&#39;s life. That&#39;s right, Luthor&#39;s about to bust a kryptonite cap in Superman&#39;s ass. But before he gets the chance, Lois&#39;s kid (who is also probably Superman&#39;s, yes) says "hey jerkface!" and pushes him off a building. The End. Spoilers.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Supes trailer on V

    by Curtis Spicoli

    Just got back from seeing V for Vendetta, and the same Superman Returns trailer that played before Harry Potter was shown.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Sounds good

    by beelkay

    I still wish Brian Singer had been able to do X-Men 3 AND Superman Returns, though.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:15 a.m. CST


    by catalyst7

    i respect superman for being iconic. without him there would be no batman, spiderman, blah, blah... but he is extremely outdated. he wears red underwear over his tights for God&#39;s sake, he&#39;s a one dimensional boyscout, and his "secret" identity is a joke. i wish someone would have the balls to really revamp him. it could be done while still keeping his essence.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST


    by catalyst7

    its sad, but you just might be right

  • March 17, 2006, 1:24 a.m. CST


    by catalyst7

    damnit, gotta wait till 2008 for that...sumumma-beech!

  • March 17, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Superman&#39;s crappy disguise...

    by Ribbons

  • March 17, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    Sounds interesting, just wish it were a less boring character. Hypeendshere, a liberace joke? Oh, because Bryan Singer&#39;s gay... You&#39;re so funny! You should write for Leno! Jackass... Also, it&#39;s LUTHOR not LUTHER

  • March 17, 2006, 2:22 a.m. CST

    I amist nodded off reading Quints dull spy report

    by JUSTICE41

    This movie sounds like a turd. Has anyone seen the Kryptonite armor Luthor wears to fight Supes? They made a toy out of it spoiling that bit of movie. I just hope they don&#39;t call luthor&#39;s underwater Fotress the halls of Doom or whatever it was from Superfriends. Ithink The Rat may own the summer over Singer. I believe Supes will make more money just on Name alone but I just don&#39;t think the movie will be good.

  • March 17, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Am I wrong or...

    by The_General

    isn&#39;t the Fortress of Solitude at the Artic Circle, not the Antartic?

  • March 17, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    "Truth, justice... all that stuff"

    by hulkdog

    Yeah, don&#39;t say the third thing. You wouldn&#39;t want to UPSET anyone.

  • March 17, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Sounds great Quint

    by Lone Fox

    How anyone can say it sounds rubbish or disappointing is beyond me. Did someone say it was the footage they were most eager to see next to MI:3?! Jesus. My hopes are high. Anyone that says different is either a gay, a mental, or a woman. Or BatSTUD.

  • March 17, 2006, 4:43 a.m. CST

    If this is as good as the first two I&#39;m going to cry

    by purplewarrior

    seriously...I will.

  • March 17, 2006, 4:45 a.m. CST

    this is just wrong on so many levels

    by satansteve

    seriously, what the fuck is warner bros. problem? do they seriously think they&#39;re doing things right!? i mean for gods sake...i have to wait until JULY to see this?! for shame, WB. FOR SHAME! release it in june, the same as everywhere else! i simply cannot wait to see this thing and quite frankly im willing to kill to see it now. no not really, but i cannot express into mouthwords just how badly i want to see this!!!

  • March 17, 2006, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Superman 3a

    by David Frames

    As long as someone says "Both Keys?....AT THE SAME TIME!?" I&#39;ll be happy.

  • March 17, 2006, 5:06 a.m. CST

    At last! twenty nine years later!

    by batjack

    twenty-nine years ago I stood in the James Bond stage at Pinewood - as a guest of John Barry - and watched Gene Hackman examine the crystals as the voice of Jor-el told him about their power. &#39;gulp&#39; I&#39;m finally gonna see some of that stuff - albeit with Kevn Spacey rather than Hackman, but hey? This is finally happening! YIPPEEEE! &#39;Ahem&#39; I was only twenty-one then. Where does the time go?

  • March 17, 2006, 5:24 a.m. CST


    by KAWS

    Great, everything we&#39;ve already seen in Donner&#39;s films, with better effects, including the fucking John Williams&#39; musical score. Way to go Bryan "TRITE" Singer. Warner Bros. should have saved 180-200 million bucks and just added new scenes through CGI and release the original in theaters. Superman saving Lois, Earthquakes, Saving Plains Trains and Automobiles, The Cystal Christmas Orniment Spaceship Flying Through Space, Bullets bouncing of Supes&#39; chest, Can You Read My Mind Flying Scene with Lois, Lex Luthor being the only villain, AGAIN! Thanks Singer, for continuing the trend in keeping Superman, the most boring superhero ever created (and letting us know that his rogue gallery of villains, sucks ass even to this day). Nothing new to see here. You know this to be true.

  • March 17, 2006, 5:58 a.m. CST

    seeing it in july?

    by purplewarrior

    if they dont move it forward, I&#39;m downloading it to tidy me over. simple as that.

  • March 17, 2006, 6 a.m. CST


    by Jedibobster

    Some parts of that report made me go fizzy with excitement, other parts made me go "Hmm..." Please be good. No, no. Please be great. You can be great again again Supemran I know you can.

  • March 17, 2006, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Was the music original Williams or new Ottman?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Sorry if asked, I am at work and stealthliness and quickness are of importance.

  • March 17, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST


    by mersault22

    Infamous means when someone is famous for doing something wrong, evil, or just plain "bad". Clark opening his shirt to reveal the S is not infamous, it&#39;s just plain famous. Who writes this crap?

  • March 17, 2006, 6:24 a.m. CST

    About Williams original theme

    by BendersShinyAss

    Personally, I think a major error is in the works using the original superman score. not because it&#39;s bad, but because EVERY film that has taken Williams original score and reworked it with a new composer has been pathetic. and wrong. Any true fan of Williams will hear the new theme and instinctually feel that "Williams would not have written it that way". Alls I&#39;m saying is, I hope the superman theme is used sparingly, and that a new theme is given a chance.

  • March 17, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST

    "JuicyBusey"...Hey, I can do that too!!

    by Sequitur

    Let me try it with "Raiders of the Lost Ark". The footage of Raiders is pretty boring. We see Ford running away from a boulder. Looks fake. Then he&#39;s running in the jungle. The government comes to se him and he hops on a plane. See an old girlfirend. We know she still loves him. he hops on another plane, fights some nazis. Finds the ark. Loses thr ark. Loses the girl. Finds the girl, again. Finds the ark, again. That&#39;s about where the trailer ended, but I&#39;m guessing Jones goes on to save the day, Marion will love him and the Nazis are defeated. It&#39;s everything you&#39;ve seen happen before in a adventure movie, only with better special effects. But from what I saw of all the other stuff, I can pretty much say with certainty that Raiders, while not being a terrible movie, will disappoint. How was that?!? Do I seem superior to everyone now, too?!? Because I pretended not to like popular things, too?!?

  • March 17, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    "Routh looks like he nailed both Superman and Clark (not in that way, sickos)" So the idea of two men having sex is "sick." Hompophobia rears its ugly head yet again on AICN.

  • March 17, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Although I am anxious to see this movie.

    by Juggernaut125

    The boy troubles me. I&#39;m expecting to not like this movie. I, personally, would have preferred a Superman Restart, where they fix the Donner stuff, such as Pa Kent doesn&#39;t DIE! (dumbasses). And then they can go on to tell new and cooler Superman stories, parrallel to the new Batman pictures all culminating in a World&#39;s Finest picture. But that kid just gets in the way. He SHOULD NOT BE THERE. Because now, this is more of a Superman in an entirely different world than the DC comics version simply because of him. And that just bugs me.

  • March 17, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Gay police

    by BendersShinyAss

    The only one attacking gays is YOU. I didn&#39;t percieve the comment to be homophobic. I took it for what it was, people taking a different context to what was being said. Incidently, I&#39;m not gay, nor am i a homophobe. My job has me working with all sorts - including blacks, asians and gays. My problem however, with Gays, is that they always percieve the world to be attacking them. Plus, they believe everyone is deep seededly Gay themselves but are afraid to admit it. For that reason alone, I have issues with Gay people.

  • March 17, 2006, 7:40 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    "I have issues with Gay people." Thank you for so succintly stating your bigotry.

  • March 17, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST

    You know what would be great?

    by Demon Disco

    A Superman talkback with no comments or opinions about homosexuality AT ALL. But I guess I can just keep on dreaming...

  • March 17, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    i wish someone would have the ballsto really revamp him

    by smackfu

    Hmmm...yeah, kid you may be on to something. Like say dress him in all black leather, with shades. But who will we get to star...I know, Nicholas Cage! And since a boring old villain like Luthor sucks so much, instead we&#39;ll have him fight a....a giant mechanical spider!!!

  • March 17, 2006, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Familiar similarity

    by amrisharmpit Superman 1-2. In trying to be respectful, Singer has essentially made the same movie all over again. And these horrible new ideas (Superman leaving, Lois with a kid) only contradict what had been established in those films. Superman gave his word to the Prez that he wouldn&#39;t leave (SM2) and Superman never lies (SM1). Also, Lois ridiculed her sister for having a house and kids - "I&#39;d go bananas in a week!" (SM1). Check it, kids. It&#39;s there.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:27 a.m. CST


    by NubtheSquirrel

    I agree with what it was that you say here but perhaps the motives of why these contradictions are in place will be explained as the movie unfolds. I personally can&#39;t wait and I hope that this movie owns on all levels.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    How exactly is bender displaying bigotry? I mean you basically just proved his point, about gay people being oversenstive. "not in that way, sickos" is only a homophobic statement to you because you jumped to that conclusion. The statement is the same as &#39;get your mind out of the gutter&#39;. Do a google search for "not in that way, sicko" and you&#39;ll see the statement used in about a hundred different contexts, where almost none of them are actually implying that the said action is actually sick, just used to differ it from a sexual context. The &#39;Sicko&#39; is the person who automatically jumps to the conclusion that something is about sex, it&#39;s an implication that he&#39;s a pervert for doing so. It has nothing the fuck to do with homosexuality or gayness being &#39;sick&#39; at all. You jumped to that conclusion because you *wanted* to, because some part of you loves being the rightous victim of oppression, and so you look for that. I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s not around, just that I&#39;ll bet in the run of a day you probably see it in lots of places where it isn&#39;t, and that&#39;s unfortunate for all parties. Gay folks need to relax and give people the benefit of the doubt, people who bash gays don&#39;t tend to be subtle about it, so how about for the next month every time someone makes a comment that you think is homophobic or oppressive, give that person the benefit of the doubt that maybe they didn&#39;t mean it that way at all, and you just &#39;filtered&#39; it into an insult. Because trust me, when guys that are *actually* homophobic bash gays, there&#39;s no mistake about it, it&#39;s never subtle.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Gay police

    by BendersShinyAss

    I have a rule of never posting here unless it is of a nice and polite nature. But you&#39;re a dick head.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Dasher&#39;s points

    by GPolice

    I hear where you&#39;re coming from, Dasher. But maybe these aren&#39;t necessarily contradictions. Superman leaving after telling the president he wouldn&#39;t could be explained by something of earth-shattering (no pun intended) importance, where he must sacrifice for the greater good of mankind kind of thing. As for Lois, people change. Maybe supes leaving had a profound effect on her, making her desire to have a family (her talk in SM1 could have been attributed to putting down something you don&#39;t have, etc.)

  • March 17, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST


    by TraumReiter

    I wanna see a new trailer!!!

  • March 17, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    I have done the impossible...

    by Blacket-Man

    I have skipped all of Quint&#39;s article. For the first time in 9 year I am not going to sully my experiance with a movie I am excited about by looking at spoilers. This may very well be the end of AICN for me. Good night and good luck.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

    I wish my responce was that level headed. My bad.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST

    S P E C T A C U L A R!

    by gonzobob

    This keeps getting better and better! I always had faith in Bryan Singer but now I know He&#39;s gonna amaze us all next Summer!I can&#39;t wait to see a full theatrical trailer, WARNER BROTHERS WAKE UP AND GIVE IT TO US PRONTO! As for Mr Batstud, GO AND JUMP OFF A TALL BUILDING, U MORON! Happy Paddy&#39;s Day everyone! From a devoted SUPERMAN fan in WEXFORD,Ireland, I&#39;m off to the pub!

  • March 17, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Smacfu and Bender

    by GPolice

    It&#39;s nice that you two stick up for each other, while conveniently ignoring that Bender states himself he has "issues with gay people," lumping them all into one category. That being the case, any objectivity about what constitutes a homophobic comment is thrown out the door. The old, I&#39;m not gay or homophic but (INSERT HOMOPHOBIC STATEMENT HERE) is typical and laughable. I know it must be frustrating to live in a time where insensitive homophic comments are going to be challenged, but unless they aren&#39;t, nothing will ever change. And I&#39;m sorry, had the original comment been about male/female "nailing" I highly doubt the term "sickos" would have been used. You can fool yourself into thinking so if that makes you feel better.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Will & Grace

    by GPolice

    Because of course, all gay people are Will & Grace fans....excuse me..I have some recruiting to do....

  • March 17, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Routh is a huge guy, BUT he can&#39;t play ball

    by trojanman

    worth a shit! Anyone see his ass on ESPN a couple of wks ago? The guy was fucking sorry!

  • March 17, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    to hell with being level headed

    by BendersShinyAss

    YOU are the gay man I have issues with. you and your kind. Not because you like to stick your cock in the anus of other men. Thats fine. Perverse, but i don&#39;t give a shit. What I do give a shit about is someone like you tell me I&#39;m a homophobe because I wont announce my moral inferiority to you because I prefer sex with women. now read this twice if you have to - I don&#39;t have issues with gay people - I have issues with the issues gay people have. These issues include, but are not limited to ...... the whole world being against them, when in actual fact the WHOLE world is NOT against gays. Just a few vocal morons who are generally against other minorities as well ..... The whole world would all be gay too if they just gave it a chance. No my friend, The gay section of the brain is also the section of the brain which holds the arrogance gene. by this I mean that you and a LOT of gay people think your better than everyone else. Well, to me NO ONE is better than anyone else. We&#39;re all capable of the same horrors and the same wonders. Get over yourself ..... Gay people think they should have a &#39;leeway card&#39; because of the oppression they face in their daily life for their sexual preference. but what you and a lot of Gay people don&#39;t realise is that your fighting people with the hope of changing their attitudes. Don&#39;t. Let people have their attitudes. their bigotrys. Let people be what ever the hell they want. Deal with only those who cause the problems. Don&#39;t generalize everyone into the same catagory. Because you just come off looking like that which you are fighting against. I love gay people. you know why? 1) Because the world is over populated and it&#39;s good you guys are doing your part to keep the breeding down. 2) because some gay men are REALLY good looking. And the likely hood of them scoring &#39;that gorgeous chick&#39; is lessened which paves the way for me to have a shot. 3) finally, Gay people come accross as being the sweetest most endearing people, yet in actuality Gay men are the most confrontation people on the planet. And I love a good argument. Because while I don&#39;t enjoy starting them I do enjoy ending them. And now I look forward to how you pick apart my post. but my responding to you is now over because I don&#39;t like you.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:12 a.m. CST

    "I&#39;m not saving anyone until you compliment my cape!"

    by Terry_1978

    Courtesy of a co-worker who just happened to be looking at the above shots as I was browsing the page.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    You lost me at "perverse." Your post is so full of condescension and vileness towards gay people, despite your protestations to the contrary, that it&#39;s not worthy of a reponse. You proved my point entirely. Have fun feeling superior because you called me a dickhead, pervert, etc. Maybe you&#39;ll feel like more of a real man now. I will not respond to any more of YOUR posts. I know a lost cause when I see one.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I also hate

    by BendersShinyAss

    Women who sleep around and justify it by saying "Men are allowed to sleep around". Sluts.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    My eyes glazed over at the mention of Lois&#39; kid

    by FluffyUnbound

    Was there anything after that worth enduring the suffering of reading that paragraph? Let me know, maybe I&#39;ll take another crack at it. It&#39;s surprising how a few scant words can both annoy you and give you narcolepsy at the same time.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "A wine colored cape is also of grave concern."

    by Killah_Mate

    (by warrior-poet, way up near the start of the TB) I&#39;m not a "serious" Superman fan, but I love the character and can understand the concerns people have... But when I read that comment about the cape, it flicked a switch in my brain, and for a moment I saw it as a non-comic-fan would. I&#39;m sorry to say it looked seriously stupid. Superman is the Last Son of Krypton, the Big Blue Boy Scout, fighting for Truth, Justice and the American Way. As long as they get that right, who the fuck cares which shade of red his cape is? Get some perspective.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Why the hell

    by Purgatori

    does Lois need a kid? And is it James Marsden&#39;s job to always be the annoying tag along boyfriend who is overshadowed by the far better looking, far sexier, superhero fighting for the girls affection? But why a kid?? It sounds amazing with everything else, but Lois Lane never gave off a "I wanna be a mommy" vibe EVER. She was married to her job and lusted for Supes, that was about it.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Lois&#39;s Mommyhood

    by GPolice

    Maybe it was an unplanned pregnancy

  • March 17, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Superman never promised the president he would never leave. I believe his exact words were "I won&#39;t let you down again." That&#39;s a big difference.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Stan Gable, the answer is...

    by LaudnerGomez

    Ma Kent takes care of covering Clark&#39;s absence.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by coldpizza

    You really should read the rest of Bendersanass&#39; post. I especially love this line: "some gay men are REALLY good looking." hmm. issues? nah

  • March 17, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    hey gpolice...

    by purplewarrior

    I&#39;m super, thanks for asking. buahahaha. benders has a point. the only people who make victims out fo gay people ARE gay people. Jesus christ, women piss me off half the time with their bitching...Why the hell would I want a guy who acts like a woman in my face? seriously. If anyone has a phobia here, it&#39;s you of straight people. Say it with me people, come out of the closet: "I&#39;m straight and I&#39;m proud...I love pussy...(or cock in the case of women) and I don&#39;t like it in the ass"

  • March 17, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Wellwhen you have to rely on gay men being REALLY good looking in order to increase your odds of getting a date, I&#39;d say they are definitely issues present ;-)

  • March 17, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    So Routh is maintaining...

    by Christopher3

    Reeve&#39;s Kermit-inflected Clark? Well, if he wants to do something after this movie&#39;s over, he can always join the Muppets.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST


    by Killah_Mate

    Are you suggesting there&#39;s something wrong with women who like it in the ass? Just askin&#39;...

  • March 17, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    You sound like you&#39;re overcompensating because your "purple warrior" can&#39;t get any "quivering mound of love pudding"...

  • March 17, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    LaudnerGomez, you are right

    by amrisharmpit

    I heard that she writes postcards on Clark&#39;s behalf to make it seem like he is out of town but staying in touch. Not sure who gets these postcards (probably the DP staff), but that&#39;s supposedly what happens.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s like this, Purgatori. . .

    by Mutant Leader

    Have you ever taken a hard look at the Lois/Superman scenes in II? I think they were GLUED to each other in II. . .(wet blankets? wet capes?)and it&#39;s more than a little over-the-top in my opinion. Do you recall the scene at the end in which Lois completely breaks down-yes,the infamous &#39;memory&#39; scene-and spills her guts about waking up crying and all that crap? Ugh. I think distancing them a little bit is the right way to go.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST


    by TheResident

    christ people...... get over the damn gay thing

  • March 17, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    As long as the hate continues, so will the responses...

  • March 17, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST

    "To hell with being level headed"

    by Killah_Mate

    "Don&#39;t generalize everyone into the same category.", and then "...a LOT of gay people think you&#39;re better than everyone else", "Gay people think they should have a &#39;leeway card&#39;...", and my favorite: "Gay people come accross as being the sweetest most endearing people, yet in actuality Gay men are the most confrontational people on the planet." Dude, that&#39;s a very good post title, &#39;cause your arguing skills suck.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Thanks for taking the time to articulate exactly what I was thinking but didn&#39;t feel like taking the time to write.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST


    by Killah_Mate

    Also, gay discussion is probably more interesting than the teaser Quint saw...

  • March 17, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST


    by Killah_Mate

    Yeah, I really should do some work instead of arguing on a Talkback, huh? Too much free time, I guess... :)

  • March 17, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Singer didn&#39;t say this movie is a sequel,

    by Snookeroo

    he said it has references to the first movie. He said nothing about the second movie at all. Also, I think this movie will used culled footage from the original filming in which Jor-el gives his life essence (or whatever it is) to restore Kal-el&#39;s powers; however, in this case it will be altered to restore Kal-el&#39;s life (after being stabbed in the back). Oh yeah -- end spoiler.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Yep, Fridays at the workplace can be a real bitch...and then one wanders into this

  • March 17, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    QUINT is the new KING of AICN

    by stlfilmwire

    I dig your play by play. Keep it up. JAZZ HANDS!

  • March 17, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by topper_harley

    With a name like "gpolice" (I&#39;m assuming meaning &#39;Gay Police), do you spend your time roaming the AICN boards to rid the world of bigotry one homophobe at a time? The people on here want to discuss movies, not have their comments monitored for PC-ness. Get a life, loser, and FUCK YOU! Back to Superman talk.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:45 a.m. CST

    DocPazusu, that&#39;s true, but...

    by amrisharmpit

    The line before that was "Sorry I&#39;ve been away so long." So when he said "I won&#39;t let you down again," he meant that he was fully committed to the superhero thing. That being said, Singer and the writers are too sharp to let this one slip by. They&#39;ll offer an explanation, but it won&#39;t be a satisfying one.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Hey Topper (interesting name by the way ;-) Funny how you only mention me but not the attackers who write entire short stories on the topic. Hint: IF you want to keep things on track, stop with the homo-hate, otherwise the off-topic responses will continue.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Screw Superman!!!

    by Thumper2k1

    Here&#39;s a movie that&#39;s not homo erotic. Snakes on a Plane!!!! Teaser right here!!

  • March 17, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    Juggernaut, the reason that Pa Kent diees in the original is that at the time, is that he did in the comics. Crisis on Infinite Earths (which happened in 1985) was when John Byrne wrote "Man of Steel" which ret-conned Superman&#39;s origin and lead to Pa Kent staying alive. Personally, I wish Lane Smith had lived long enough, because I thought he was a great Perry White on "Lois and Clark".

  • March 17, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST

    gpolice for Big Brother president!

    by topper_harley

    "IF you want to keep things on track, stop with the homo-hate, otherwise the off-topic responses will continue." This really makes me laugh. First of all, the pomposity that you actually think you not only should police these boards, but that you have the right to do it all. Secondly... have you noticed that there&#39;s all sorts of &#39;hate&#39; on these boards, not just &#39;homo-hate.&#39; According to your logic, we&#39;re going to neeed many more police officers than just gpolice. We&#39;re going to need rpolice (Republican police), dpolice (democrat police), slpolice (Superman police), bpolice (Batman police), spolice (Shumacher police), dcpolice (DC comics police), mpolice (marvel police), spolice (straight police), nwwaammflcpolice (nerds who will argue about movies made for little children police), and any number of other police. I nominate you for president of this society! Soon we&#39;ll have AICN talkbacks free of ANYthing tha might be offensive to ANYone. I can&#39;t wait! Again, go home.

  • March 17, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    "Topper" harley

    by GPolice

    While I appreciate your vote, anyone that belongs to any of those "groups" that you mention has the right to voice their opposition to offensive/insensitive remarks (just as the posters feel they have the right to say those things to begin with). As you said, this is a movie site and I agree. So people should talk about movies and know that if they stray and make offensive comments, they should expect to get replies.

  • March 17, 2006, 11:26 a.m. CST

    yay for fags! yay for everyone!

    by blobblobbob

    go suck some guys dick gpolice you fucking faggot. and let your dad watch

  • March 17, 2006, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Thanks Blob!! Everytime one of your ilk posts like that, it strengthens my position! YAY

  • March 17, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Re Your screen name: TMI Thanks for further strengthening my position! YAY

  • March 17, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Quint makes an exceedingly good point....

    by SuperDan

    Yes, the costume is far from perfect (I still can&#39;t see why the hell they couldn&#39;t have used the classic colour set - there&#39;s a REASON it hasn&#39;t changed in nearly 70 years - and the size of the shield makes it seem like they were ashamed of it), but as long as Superman ACTS like Superman, then I for one, will be very happy. It would be absolutely infuriating if they fucked that up...

  • March 17, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    lucky bastard

    by quadrupletree

    How do I get your job?

  • March 17, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Mutant Leader

    by Purgatori

    Yes, 2 was over the top on their relationship. But the character of Lois just never seemed like that type of woman to me. Maybe I&#39;m wrong, but I would think she wouldn&#39;t want a child, especially with a guy she was so/so about. I always thought she&#39;d be a morning after pill kind of girl if she thought something like that had happened. But we&#39;ll see. Maybe it will be a good angel. I&#39;m impressed with everything else I&#39;ve seen so far. And I like the fact that Routh is staying with a Reeveseque Superman persona. I think that&#39;s a fitting tribute. As for Lex Luthor not being a great foil, I think people are nuts that don&#39;t see this as going to be awesome. When you let Spacey do his thing, especially in a film like this where it&#39;s obvious he&#39;s enjoying himself...only good things. Luthor IS Superman&#39;s arch nemisis and will forever be so. Zod was a bad ass, but the only Zod that people wish to see is Terrance Stamp. That&#39;s not going to happen in the way it did in 2 ever again. Kneel Before Zod! will never have the staying power as it did with his voice speaking it. So I would rather have a bad ass Luthor than a Zod that makes me roll my eyes. Gene Hackman was a great Luthor yes, but it wasn&#39;t a performance the resonated with people like Stamp&#39;s did. If they could get a guy that could pull that off, I&#39;d be all for it. But I can&#39;t really think of one right now....mabye Gary Oldman, but I doubt he&#39;d do it.

  • March 17, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Madness! Madness I tell you!!

    by Ribbons

    Come with me if you want to live! Because if you don&#39;t, I&#39;ll kill you!! WAahaaahasfhdafhaaaaah!!!!!

  • March 17, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    everyone just scroll up and read killah_mate&#39;s post

    by Captain Katanga

    the one titled "to hell with being level-headed". he&#39;s got it spot on. BendersShinyAss comes across as obnoxious and his posts are so contradictory its absurd. I hate the way these talkbacks turn into this kind of thing. I know its going to happen, but I hate it. I&#39;ve been visiting this site for years and I&#39;m ashamed to think that these are my peers.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    Accused bender of being a bigot for saying he has issues with gay people because 1) they constantly accuse straight men of being gay 2) they over-react to any comment that isn&#39;t praise and whine about being victims. Then over the course of his next few posts, Gpolice 1) starts accusing straight men of being gay 2) over-reacts to every little comment and whines about being a victim. Point: Bender. I&#39;ve said this many times before, and I&#39;ll re-iterate because it&#39;s an extremely important point; when gay men accuse straight men of being gay, it&#39;s almost always in the context of trying to insult them, to rile them up in the heat of an arguement. When GAY MEN do this, they are basically acknowlegding, and fueling, the idea that being gay is a bad thing. If you use it as ammo to insult a straight person, you&#39;re admitting that you subconsciously see it as an insult yourself. Now here&#39;s a question - what if Bender really was secretly gay, and is in the closet for fear of persecution? Then if that is the case, *you* are persecuting a fellow gay man for being a gay man and re-enforcing the social climate that makes him fear coming out, making you the very thing you whine about being a victim of. So YOU either have self-loathing issues, or are part of the same problem you complain about. Point: Smackfu.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by TheResident

    hell......even the word "GAY" is kinda gay....

  • March 17, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST


    by heman

    Ok , i have never responded to this thread before. But after coming here in a good mood to read about superman, I couldnt believe my eyes when at first all i saw was negetive profanity about a movie that nobody has even seen yet. I personally have my reservations about the movie, but ill complain about it after i see it only if i dont like it, not before. Second, for all of us die hard christopher reeve fans, seeing a story that revisits and complimints a story and man we loved to watch so much is awesome. Its the second best thing, for we cant go back in time and see a young christopher strut his stuff. Third , why the hell is all this gay talk going on. Gays have the right to be sensitive or in your face, just as much as I(we) have a right to Hate such a disgusting way life, physically, or spiritually, it was not meant to be, and im not just talking about gay men, women are no exception. But my views and your views should not be here in this thread. There is lots of other places to go and fight if your in the mood, but not here in a superman. If your gay, then be gay, but go some where else and talk/fight about it. Same goes if you hate gays, all the power to you, but go somewhere else and do it. this is superman. Im not going to lie, i am totally against homosexuality, but a persons way of life is there own business. If there not bothering you or physcially in your face, just let it go. You can be disgusted, but be digusted on your on time. I had two gay bosses before, and while i did not agree with it, they never talked about it or were in my face. They just carried on in a none offensive way. thats the way it should be. And you can also be against homosexuality with out being rude of a homophobe. And if your a true homophobe, then i guess you should not go and see the movie, because a gay guy directed it. I personally think this movie is going to rock, not for its action seens, but for the character and emotional level that bryan seems to bring to the movie, gay or not. SUPERMAN ALL THE WAY, GAY TOPICS , SEE YOU LATER. HAVE FUN BASHING EACH OTHER.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    wow gpolice, you&#39;re a loser

    by Lucidz


  • March 17, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    aww those last few posts really gave me the horn.....

    by HypeEndsHere

    come round to my place? 8-ish?

  • March 17, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST


    by lopan

    there is more repressed homosexuality in this TB than ten pro wrestling events combined

  • March 17, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    You ALL suck!!

    by pd18

    I am really sickened by the degeneration of this thread into a pillow fight about sexuality. GPolice - I understand where you&#39;re coming from, I&#39;m a minority and am quite familiar with the bitter sting of descrimination, however - you ARE a little oversensitive about this, it seems to me that you do LOOK for any excuse to lecture us all on the perils of discrimination. Let&#39;s face it - some people don&#39;t like gay people, just like some people don&#39;t like Jews, or African-Americans; deal with it, or continue trying to change the world one chatroom at a time. But I will say this- I don&#39;t think a talkback forum about Superman Returns is the right place to look for sexual equalists, maybe you should try a forum about "the View" or "Oprah" or something. All I&#39;m saying is - this isn&#39;t the place. Bendershinyass, you do come off sounding like a prick, but whatever - I&#39;m sure you&#39;re not homophobic. I do think you could have stated your points with a touch more class. Remember people - we are here because of the interests we have in common, not because of those we don&#39;t share.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST

    uhhhhhhhh heman...

    by Lucidz

    "There is lots of other places to go and fight if your in the mood, but not here in a superman. If your gay, then be gay, but go some where else and talk/fight about it." You should have ended your post right there, because your next statement, completely contradicts yourself: "Same goes if you hate gays, all the power to you, but go somewhere else and do it. this is superman. Im not going to lie, i am totally against homosexuality" Uhh if you want the thread to be about superman why the hell did you bring your personal view of homosexuality up at all? Say: "talk about superman" and leave it at that. tard.

  • March 17, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Lucidz

    "I am really sickened by the degeneration of this thread into a pillow fight about sexuality." This should have read: "I am really sicked by the degeneration of this thread into a pillow fight about pilow biting." I&#39;d have given you an A+ PS. Don&#39;t support gPolice, he/she/it is a tool.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST

    you know how I know you&#39;re gay?

    by luv

    cuz you stare at supermans cod-piece

  • March 17, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    heman just took a load to the face!

    by erich


  • March 17, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    You Know how I know you&#39;re Gay!

    by erich

    You know its a cod-piece!

  • March 17, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    This gay discussion is stupid.

    by nycguy

    I&#39;m gay. Who the hell cares? If you hate gay people, that&#39;s your problem not mine (though it&#39;s sad to walk around with all that hate). I have gay friends, I have straight friends none of us cares what the others are doing in bed. But I&#39;ve been around long enough to know that if you&#39;re "straight" but you are endlessly, constantly obsessed with gay people, what we do in bed, what we&#39;re like, etc., then you have issues with your own sexuality that you need to deal with. If you&#39;re secure in your heterosexuality then you shouldn&#39;t give a shit what I do in bed. Because believe me I don&#39;t give a shit what you do.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    the mere fact that a Superman talkback always becomes

    by oisin5199

    an argument about homosexuality (gee, I hear Singer&#39;s gay) is proof enough that many, many people on this site have issues with homosexuality. Why does this even become an issue? Unfortunately, in this particular talkback, I do think gpolice brought it on himself for overreacting, and the responsibility for turning the talkback to this issue goes to him. However, you get idiotic responses by bender saying how he has issues with gay people. And other people chime in with similarly sexist statements like &#39;women piss me off half the time with their bitching.&#39; Kudos folks, hate all around. Whenever you take a group, whether it be gays, women, blacks, Arabs, etc. and lump them all together and say &#39;they&#39;re all like this,&#39; you are being discriminatory and offensive. Period. It&#39;s called qualifying statements, people. If you have a problem with some members of a group say that. But when you attack an entire group merely because they are women, or gay, or black, you&#39;re being sexist, homophobic or racist. If you&#39;re ok with that, just admit it and move on. But don&#39;t try to weasel your way out of it. And Smackfu, I&#39;ve heard you make that argument many times, and it still makes no logical sense. If a gay person is making a statement about the latent homosexuality of a straight person, they&#39;re not saying &#39;it&#39;s a bad thing to be gay.&#39; They are pointing out the irony and hypocrisy of gaybashing. It&#39;s about the basher, not about being gay itself. Of course, I&#39;m not saying that every accusation of latent homosexuality is accurate, but I can see how it could be a common technique to deflate the power of the gaybasher&#39;s hate. That is all. Now, can&#39;t wait for Supes! and X3! the summer can&#39;t come fast enough.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by GPolice

    Where did I accuse straight men of being gay? Or call myself a victim? At least stick to facts and don&#39;t resort to lying. I&#39;ll say it before and I&#39;ll say it again, if someone makes an insensitive/offensive remark I&#39;m going to call them on it, simple as that. They same way ANYONE would that belonged to a group that was a target of said remark. Those that want the topic to end then stop fueling it instead of adding more inflammatory remarks.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    hey, remember when AICN didn&#39;t suck up to the studios?

    by lynxpro

    Yeah, me too. Point is, the storyline is lame and so is the cast. So why is AICN pimping this project? It sucks. Just as Batman was successfully rebooted, so should have been Superman with the post-Byrne take on the character. And do we get that here? No. We also get an actor fired from a soap opera to play the title character. Yawn. And should we be grateful that Kevin Spacey playing Dr. Evil playing Luthor was cast? No. Don&#39;t see this film. Let this teach Warners *Batman & Robin* style on what and what not to do with one of their most iconic properties. And just because Bryan Singer is making this does not make it quality. Everything else Joel Schumacher has done besides the Batman films have been gravy. Point, counter point.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    GPolice I called you a loser and a tool

    by Lucidz

    But you haven&#39;t called me on it. Perhaps you&#39;re not offended?

  • March 17, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Who wants to bet that...

    by superhero

    At the end of the movie...the kid dies. Seriously, I&#39;m wondering if they&#39;re really gonna stick Lois with a kid forever in this flick. I think the kid&#39;s a goner.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST


    by GPolice

    (Wagging finger)"That was really mean, Lucidz!" Feel better?

  • March 17, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    You know how I know you&#39;re gay?

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    Your name is BenderShinyAss.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    It actually does make perfect sense. I agree it can be used in the context of pointing out hypocrisy, but it seldom is. In most cases, it&#39;s a jab at the other person, and the way it works is quite simple: the homophobic guy has clearly illustrated that he thinks being gay is just about the worst thing you can be, so obviously he is going to be stung\irritated by being called gay. Back to why my logic makes sense, though ;). Lets change the players a bit. 2 guys who have never seen each other are arguing on a forum. Guy 1, earlier in the forum, has admitted that he&#39;s overweight. Guy 2 starts making fun of him for being fat, and as a retort, Guy 1 for a while maintains that their is nothing wrong with being fat, but then, getting angrier and more frustrated, replies "oh yeah, well I bet you&#39;re really just as fat as I am, maybe even fatter. I&#39;ll bet you&#39;re pushing 300 pounds" Sure, he could be trying to point out hypocrisy, but it&#39;s highly unlikely, because right now they&#39;re in a heated debate, and he&#39;s on the defensive. And he lashes out at the other poster by assusing him of being fat. In essense, by using it as ammunition to strike back at his attacker, has subconsiously acknowledged that deep down inside *HE* really does see &#39;fat&#39; as a negative connotation. If he truly did not see being fat as being a bad thing, he would not have used it as a retort. When was the last time in a forum arguement, one of the people involved replied back with, "oh yeah, well I think you are secrety a clever and handsome person." Nobody compliments another person in the heat of an arguement, ergo a gay man accusing another man of being gay in the heat of an arguement, is being used as ammunition, to anger, irritate, or knock the other person down a peg.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Another one: You know how I know you&#39;re gay?

    by Cruel_Kingdom

    You&#39;re reading a thread about Superman.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    smackfu - I still think you&#39;re projecting

    by oisin5199

    Maybe that&#39;s how YOU would see it. But as you yourself point out, it makes no logical sense that a gay person would think calling someone else gay is an insult. As you say, "a gay man accusing another man of being gay in the heat of an arguement, is being used as ammunition, to anger, irritate, or knock the other person down a peg." Exactly, but only a homophobe would see being called gay itself as an insult. If anything, it&#39;s using the aggressor&#39;s own homophobia against him. Or it&#39;s meant to point out ignorance in the other person for not knowing their gay aspects or hypocrisy for making fun of something that he is, but the gay man is certainly not seeing being gay itself as an insult. He is depending on the homophobe&#39;s own issues to insult him: &#39;You think you&#39;re better, but you&#39;re actually one of us. Deal with that!&#39; Again, this has nothing to do with the actual accuracy of such statements, but their power to affect (you really should read Judith Butler&#39;s &#39;Excitable Speech.&#39; or J.L. Austin&#39;s performance theory). And this whole &#39;subconscious&#39; thing you talk about is really just psychobabble that you are totally assuming about the situation (and oddly enough doing the same thing you&#39;re accusing gay people of doing). So, sorry, your argument just doesn&#39;t hold up.

  • March 17, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    Actually the way I take it is, "the only reason you&#39;re making fun of me for being gay is because you hate yourself for being gay." Taunting them for it is probably not going to get them to come out of the closet (this is all hypothetical, folks) any sooner, no, but it&#39;s not meant to reinforce the idea that homosexuals should be made fun of. And with that, I am off! Whip-tash!

  • March 17, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by GPolice

    The Smackster says "I agree it can be used in the context of pointing out hypocrisy, but it seldom is." LOL. What a way to make your point. You take the MOST LOGICAL reason why pointing out someone is a closet case is used, and try to make it sound like an afterthought, just to win your argument. It&#39;s a fact that there are many closeted men out there, some even married or have girlfriends, who react in a hostile manner towards gay men because they can&#39;t deal meantally with their predicament. Pointing this out to them is not an insult as Smacky thinks you would be gullible enough to believe. It&#39;s pointing out hypocrisy, as when a preacher or minister who constantly berates people about sin is caught having an affair, stealing, etc. Moral of the story: Don&#39;t put other people down for having feelings you yourself possess.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Sounds like it&#39;s all Clark Kent

    by careyleefisher

    From Quint&#39;s description it sounds like this whole trailer is mostly Clark Kent with very little Superman footage. I have to say I expect this movie to be very talky and I am willing to bet that Routh is hardly in the costume at all. Not holding out much hope for this movie. The script sounds boring and I agree with the people on here who theorize that Lois&#39;s baby will be revealed as Clark&#39;s through some stupid revelation at the end. Latest reports put this movie at $336 million. I just don&#39;t see this movie being a big enough hit to recoup that kind of budget.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Spoiler*Supes kid gives*********************Supes

    by JUSTICE41

    After Luthor stabs him with the Kryptonite knife. This was already leaked. I don&#39;t know if they stick with that storyline or he just gives hima transfusion but who knows what will happen.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Will see it.

    by mrfan

    I will see it no matter what. Yes, the kid thing is the most dumbest move of all in this movie. Why do they have this subplot? Is this suppose to be the thing that brings in the kid lovers out there to the movies. I think the word Superman is enough. Many people will see that on value alone. I think it will be a fun ride. Still, you can never beat the first movie. Try all you want.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Everyone, please stop fighting.

    by I Dunno

    You&#39;re all gay. Now kiss and make up.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Superman is not gay.

    by Deuteronomy

  • March 17, 2006, 2:22 p.m. CST

    this is going to be lame

    by hank henshaw

    A quasi-sequel to a movie from 28 years ago. Lois Lane is a mom. Lois&#39; son is a plot device that ultimately (((( POSSIBLE SPOILERS))))saves Superman (((END OF POSSIBLE SPOILERS))). Lex Luthor is, once again, the only villian. Luthor is still interested in real estate and continues to surround himself with idiots. Superman quits (again) and takes a trip to Krypton (FOR SIX YEARS!!!) and returns, to find everyone kind of forgot about him. This is another down-on-his-luck superhero movie. The Superman uniform could&#39;ve been much better. Missiles and Kryptonite... again. They missed the chance to introduce a heavy-hitter (Parasite, Bizarro, Metallo, etc.). Some casting choices are odd. Bryan Singer IMHO is not good with action scenes. I think Bryan Singer&#39;s only references when it comes to Superman are the Donner movies and maybe the Fleischer cartoons, while all good, there&#39;s more to Superman than that. The whole movie feels-small scale. I&#39;m not buying a ticket for this.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    You Know how I know you&#39;re Gay!

    by erich

    U just said superman was not gay! Now please someone make out with me!

  • March 17, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hoowhee! I kill me.

    by Deuteronomy

    Press enter too early and your post comes out unintentionally funny! Woo. Anyway, the original point is pretty much moot now, so I won&#39;t bore anyone here with it. Anyhoo, the only issue I have with Superman&#39;s costume (and this applies to just about any superhero, Batman included :( ) is the underwear on the outside. Seriously, if you saw a regular joe walking down the streets with jockey shorts over his tights, you&#39;d think it was ridiculous. But whatever - I&#39;ve been addicted to Superman forever, so I guess subconciously I like jockey shorts over tights. Damn, damn, damn. Me confused.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    erich ...

    by Deuteronomy

    ... if only it were that easy. Me still confused. :(

  • March 17, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Best talkback ever!

    by erich

    I really mean that.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    What really bothers me....

    by Shaz_bot80

    Are the X-rated insults that you fan-boys give. Grow up.

  • March 17, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m sorry

    by Purgatori

    I thought we were talking about a movie and comic book characters. What the hell?

  • March 17, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Quint

    by Fireball XL-5

    That spy report was a tasty slice of old-school AICN-type fun.

  • March 17, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    No in order for superman to eat....

    by erich

    No superman will have to become a cowboy to eat pudding. because only gay cowboy eat pudding.

  • March 17, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    You would of thought....

    by vinceklortho

    that the gay cowboys eating pudding jokes would of died a couple of weeks after the South Park episode aired, which by the way was about a couple of years ago?, but still rears its head in talkbacks today. wow, it&#39;s just not that funny anymore. It&#39;s even more of a dead horse than the beaten to shit dead corpse that is, "I&#39;m Rick James Bitch!" Oh, well. Talkback rant, I guess. I apologize. Now, I hope all this stuff is released is the new trailer, which should be coming out soon? I would of thought they could release it in front of V for Vendetta this weekend. Maybe in front of X-Men? or Posiden?

  • March 17, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST

    GPolice and Killah_Mate

    by Batman_9

    to Killah_Mate: in my opinion if a girl wants a guy to fuck her in the ass, thats cool. sure its perverted, but so is oral sex. look at how animals fuck. really. no kissing, no hugging, no oral. just straight reproducing sex. humans tend to get kinky. GPolice: i just wanted to throw this at ya; i don&#39;t like gay people because every single one i have ever met acts like a girl and that is nasty to me. as a matter of fact, the mere thought of a man kissing another man is a very disgusting mental image. does that make me a homophobe? if so then i am. i&#39;m not attacking you by the way. you want to frolick around with other guys, thats your choice and your right. but guess what? its my right to think you are nasty and what you do is disgusting. and i do. you and and every other gay dude. i think you&#39;re all sickos. i&#39;m not gonna shoot you or other gay guys and i&#39;m not gonna blow up a gay rights event. am i homophobic for having my opinion and my natural attraction to women?

  • March 17, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    About the kid

    by performingmonkey

    Lois having a kid already puts a sort of hold on proceedings. That kid is going to have powers eventually, and that will be really cheesy in a sequel. That is if it&#39;s Superman&#39;s baby, which is likely. I predict somewhere near the end of the movie the kid will display powers like lifting something really heavy, and then Clark will know that it&#39;s his kid. I want Spacey to be good in this.

  • March 17, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    Hate to be the one to break this to you bud, but criticizing homosexuality on a forum in the presence of a gay person makes you gay too. That&#39;s what they tell me, anyway. Guess you didn&#39;t get the memo. Gpolice, found one more to your list...

  • March 17, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST


    by Batman_9

    ah, i get it now. thanks for the heads up man. pun intended! i guess i&#39;m gay now huh? and i have been all this time!? amazing. all it took was lashing out in a forum with a gay person present. i feel so liberated! to celebrate, i think i&#39;ll go home and fuck my wife!

  • March 17, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Its hilarious, it really is...

    by Ridge

    So many people bashing Routhe for his supposed sexuality, for silly pathetic reasons... saying they hate the movie because of these. Wait til the movie comes out, is pure quality and does gangbusters at the boxoffice and the same idiots will come back declaring they loved the choice of Routhe all along and they never doubted it one moment. And before anyone dares say that won&#39;t happen... you really shoulda seen when it happened with Bale and Batman Begins. From day 1, I supported Bale as Wayne/Batman, I loved his previous work and his A.Psycho character was truly intense, yet many wrote him off... then came back declaring nothing but love. Hypocrites.

  • March 17, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Sorry, but I&#39;m not going to change my opinion on the poor casting decision it was to pick Routh even after I catch a showing of it on DVD if it is on someone else&#39;s NetFlix queue. I never thought it wise to pick Michael Keaton for Batman and I will not change my mind on this. Same goes for Spacey in the role of Lex. Rosenbaum is the definitive Lex Luthor.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST


    by Batman_9

    i&#39;m not a big fan of the direction Singer has chosen to take this franchise either. nor am i thrilled with these casting decisions. but i to have a special place in my heart for Donner&#39;s film and its sequel so i&#39;ll be at the premiere in the front row. then i&#39;ll decide whether or not Routh, Spacey and that girl from WIN A DATE WITH TAD HAMILTON was good casting. but i think you are absolutely right about Rosenbaum. he IS Lex Luthor and its a shame we will never see SMALLVILLE get the big screen treatment it deserves.

  • March 17, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    The only way you&#39;d get smallville on big screen

    by Ridge

    As the creators of smallville themselves said, is if the show ended. There would be no point doing a full movie, then going back to pre-superman kent, as if the movie didn&#39;t happen. Kinda silly really. As for the casting, whine all you want, but as everyone knows, it&#39;s the final product that counts, and noone has seen the full movie yet. Though you tell me its either on dvd or netflix or whatnot you&#39;ll see it, I highly doubt that. I get this stirringly large feeling you&#39;ll be one of the masses flocking to see Superman again on the silverscreen. Oh and yes whilst I love the Smallville Lex, I think he&#39;s stunningly superb, I&#39;m also dying to see Kevin Spacey as Lex. Spacey has yet to let me down with a role, even in the ingloriously horrible PAX he was the shining light in amongst the pile of shit that was the rest of the movie...

  • March 17, 2006, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Rosenbaum is way too young for the role...

    by DoctorWho? least right now any way. They need someone a little more long in the tooth to bring some gravitas, bitterness and world sophistication/weariness to the role. The Smallville cast is perfect for the Smallville universe...maybe not wise to cross the two. Returns is a thread of the Donner films...maybe they should just do a Smallville movie(never happen). Not sure about Routh as much as I thought i was. i think he&#39;ll pull off Clark great...not sure about his look as Supes though. All this is based off just photots so far. I CAN&#39;T BELIEVE THE HATERS OUT THERE...IF YOUR NOT AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT EXCITED ABOUT THIS...A SEEMINGLY GOOD< RESPECTFULL TAKE ON THE MAN OF STEEL BY A FULLY COMPOTENT DIRECTOR OF COMIC BOOK FLICKS...THEN HAND IN YOUR GEEK MEMBERSHIP CARD NOW PLEASE AND LEAVE QUIETLY!

  • March 17, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Answer to Batman9&#39;s question...

    by DoctorWho?

    Yes. You are homophobic. No biggie. Just a fact.

  • March 18, 2006, 2:24 a.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss


  • March 18, 2006, 2:31 a.m. CST


    by TheLastBystander

    fuckhair? thats a new one

  • March 18, 2006, 5:26 a.m. CST


    by ILK

    I, for one, would love to hear that whole story. WOW! Seriously, how exciting was that? You should write it all up and send it to Harry.

  • March 18, 2006, 6:20 a.m. CST


    by Darth Bono Jr.


  • March 18, 2006, 6:24 a.m. CST

    They should have case SCOTT THOMPSON from KITH!

    by Mike Nesmith

    From The Kids In The Hall! He would be the ULTIMATE Ain&#39;t-It-Cool-Talkback-Superman!!

  • March 18, 2006, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by Evil Chicken

    Thanks Quint. Can&#39;t wait for opening night.

  • March 18, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    According George Lucas....

    by emeraldboy

    Blockkbusters like this wil be extinct by 2025. When all films will cost 15 million to make. You cannot keep making films for 200 miliion at time. Coming from Lucas that statement is well interesting and had many execs running towards the window ledges. I think hes right. And anyway, i think the problem that people have with the Supes franchise is that he is the utterly perfect hero and has no flaws. He cannot tell Lois about his real Identity nor anyone else for that matter. I think people find the whole Superman CHaracter to be in someway preachy.

  • March 18, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    where&#39;s the article

    by purplewarrior

    that lucas proclaimed this? 15 mil is plausible when you take he technology ramp into account, but people aren&#39;t going to go see something if it looks as low budget as a bruce campbell sci fi channel movie

  • March 18, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    If Superman knocked up Lois Lane and she tried to abort

    by FluffyUnbound

    Would she be able to? Or would it be some kind of Superfetus that would be impervious to surgical instruments and/or vacuum cleaners that weren&#39;t made out of kryptonite?

  • March 18, 2006, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Where&#39;s the Article

    by emeraldboy

    It was an interview he did with the New York daily news.

  • March 18, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    I have just come out of a coma

    by Mad_Mojo

    Literally, ( three days for no apparent reason apart fom a 29 day migraine apparently,for those interested ) and I ws so exited about this supes news. then I trolled down the TB&#39;s. No position on either gay or straight, but there are a fuckload of idiots in the world around. Im sure there is a forum for you all to beat the shit out of each other but if the instigator is Bryans sexuallity, just fuck off and leave the filmgoers to our own vitriol.

  • March 18, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Super Fetus

    by DoctorWho?

    Complete with a little red cape when viewed on the ultra sound!

  • March 18, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by IAmJack'sUserID

  • March 18, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Ridge (about Batman)

    by Killah_Mate

    Wait, you&#39;re saying people had a problem with Bale as Batman? Was anyone *really* that moronic? Damn, if ever there was a perfectly cast superhero... (yeah, Reeve, okay okay... :) I mean, after watching Equilibrium me and my friends argued about a bunch of stuff in the movie, but one thing we all agreed on: that was the next Batman up there on the screen. Bale fit the bill so perfectly I was surprised when they announced him, thinking no studio exec had the brains to figure it out.

  • March 18, 2006, 5:32 p.m. CST

    lol yeah its true

    by Ridge

    Go back through the talkbacks about Batman Begins if you can find them and people bitched superbly about Bale being cast. Like I said, in AICN Chat, we applauded the idea whilst over here they were calling it ridiculous casting, saying it was stupid, that they should&#39;ve cast basically anyone except him. Moronic. Bale was perfect. Case in point. And I truly believe that Routhe looks like he too, will fit the Superman mold(ed muscles) perfectly too. Guess we will know in a few months eh...

  • March 18, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Plant! Baahahahahhaaa!!

    by Jaka

    Sorry Quint. I just have no faith in this. It shall be crap for it is crap. Why does it even need to exist?

  • March 18, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    One more thing Ridge....

    by YeahRightUDork

    Are you implying that anyone who doesn&#39;t agree with the "gay lifestyle" is automatically involved in incest? You prove how ignorant you are. And nobody ever said straight people can&#39;t be perverts. Incest is fucking wrong too. I&#39;m sure we can find an island for those fucks as well. BTW, not from the south and I hate flannel.

  • March 18, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST

    question for the gays on the board

    by Zauriel

    Please, by a show of hands ... how many of you, before coming out of the closet, previously argued against homosexuality or considered it wrong, but then were turned around and made to see the light because another gay man who didn&#39;t know you and never met you accused you of being homophobic or secretly gay during a debate/argument? And on the flipside, how many of you have ever accused someone you never met of being a homophobe and closeted, and successfully got that person to admit that they have homosexual thoughts or tendencies? Anyone?

  • March 18, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Kevin Spacey as Luthor

    by wa11z

    Is there a better pick for this role? I don&#39;t think so. He will eat this character up and will probably be the thing that everyone likes, even the ones that don&#39;t like the movie. I&#39;m still not sure about Brandon Routh, I have to see him in the suit and talking before I make any judgements.

  • March 18, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST


    by Ridge

    Alas for your comments, I myself am not homosexual, I&#39;m straight as straight can be, but I&#39;m also not a closed minded twit with an archaic way of thinking. The unfortunate (for you anyhow) fact for people who don&#39;t like others who have alternative styles of life, is that it&#39;s here, it&#39;s not going anywhere and the only people that &#39;shove it in your face&#39; are the straight homophobes who constantly criticise it. Asides from the sydney mardi gras once a year here in australia, I can&#39;t honestly say we have much in the way of homosexual lifestyle advertised here? Imagine how a homosexual feels going to the movies... seeing all those straights in 999 out of 1000 movies, kissing, copulating... surely it must irritate them. Unfortunately again, for you, homosexuality has been a staple form of lifestyle, or more accurately, bisexuality, which was only dubbed &#39;evil&#39; by the church in its &#39;ever so wise&#39; doctrine. Look up the romans, the greeks, mesopotamians, hell any major culture with a dominant military might. The practice of man on man and woman on woman sex was just natural to them. In essence, when you&#39;re six foot in your grave, worms eating your flesh, your kids crying over your grave, they&#39;ll still be here, they&#39;ll still be queer and you&#39;ll be one less homophobe infecting the world.

  • March 18, 2006, 9:02 p.m. CST

    But then

    by Ridge

    If one truly understood it, and one truly understood the choice these people have made in their sexual desires and preferences, one would surely accept it with maturity and a form of respect in allowing the person their own choices in life and realising their choices really do have no impact on ones life whatsoever?

  • March 18, 2006, 10:21 p.m. CST

    another reason why the casting is dumb

    by lynxpro

    In the modern take of the characters, Supes and Lex Luthor are contemporaries...Lex is only a few years older than Supes. But there&#39;s a big age difference between Routh and Spacey, just as there was between Nicholson and Keaton for 1989&#39;s *Batman* which many fans have criticised over the years. Plus, Routh isn&#39;t even in his thirties. But Superman has been gone for five or so years on his trek to an asteroid of Krypton-past? So what does that mean? He was Superman for a year and then shirked his superhero duties? That&#39;s not enough time spent as Superman to make an epic rivalry between Luthor and Superman. Its moronic. Just as this storyline is. We lose the brilliant corporate villain Lex is from the Byrne reboot and get Lex the moron instead. Kidnapping Lois and SuperKid? That&#39;s just stupid. And thus, unlike what has been charged against me, I won&#39;t be seeing this film at the theatre because in no way do I want to reward the box office totals. I want this film to fail so we can get a better take on the character instead of a slavish retreat to the Donner films. I am so pissed off with this movie that I might just relent and go see *X3* in the theatres the more I think about it. Why would I do that? I think Ratner is only qualified to clean pools and I think *X3* betrays the characterization of many of the characters, but I don&#39;t want to see the Wolverine solo film go in limbo over a bad box office take by *X3*. If *Superman Returns* tanks, it&#39;ll force Warners to go back to the drawing board. It won&#39;t hurt the chances of other future superhero projects. The only thing that would dampen that is if *Spider-Man 3* is a pile of poo and I doubt that will happen.

  • March 19, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    R.I.P Superman!!

    by Psychobilly

    Time to be honest folks, Superman is to superhero movies as postage stamps are to email and I/M. The concept is a dinosaur! If he really had as many fans as are posing here, there and elsewhere, DC would have never had done something as desperate as killing him years ago! Even today, it

  • March 19, 2006, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Not Gay but definitly more Superboy than Superman

    by chien_sale

    Routh was at Entertainment Tonight the other day, and all I thought about was how much I would kick this guy`s ass. He`s nothing short of a Backstreet Boy.

  • March 19, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    "Clearly homo people"

    by Killah_Mate

    That&#39;s paranoid. But I agree with lynxpro and others, this movie will most probably be really, really bad. I don&#39;t care what color the cape is, but when Superman looks like a Backstreet Boy (and I&#39;m guessing we&#39;re supposed to believe he&#39;s in his late thirties or so), there&#39;s something clearly wrong. And the Donner Luthor was a joke (intentional, but still). Spacey is a brilliant actor, but even he can&#39;t save a badly constructed character. I&#39;ve seen Molina as Doc Ock and Neeson as Ducard - it&#39;s gonna take a *lot* to impress me now.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    I&#39;m not going to bother looking up those batman begins topics because there is no need, I know for a fact you&#39;re on crack. For literally 2-3 years leading up to the announcement of Bale for Batman, 99% of posters on these boards, and just about every other forum out there, were clammoring for Bale to be cast as Batman, everytime a story popped up that even mentioned Batman. When they finally announced it, the entire internet made an audible sigh of relief, and the talkbacks sung a harmonious "finally, they&#39;re doing it right". I&#39;m sure their might have been 5 or 6 people here and there that didn&#39;t like the casting, but the overwhelming majority were overjoyed at the casting.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Nice talkbacks and good job with the scoop I sent you

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    ...or NOT, AICN!! That footage is everywhere now and once again you miss out. GJ.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST

    well, shit, i saw the showest footage of routh

    by moondoggy2u

    I&#39;ll be damned if he doesnt sound/act like christopher reeve. Its kinda funny, but when he makes the same expressions as Reeves, he looks a LOT like him. Yeah, i know he doesnt actually look like reeve, but there is something in his acting. Its kinda like how Phoenix didnt look like Johnny Cash, except in the eyes, but the facial expressions made him seem as though he was Cash reincarnated. I&#39;d hate to say it, but I actually like who they picked--and I&#39;ve been bitching about it ever since I saw who they picked the first time. I still think the suit sucks, though.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Dimples the Cow...

    by Chief Redcock

    ...banned! Oh, and this movie will rock.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:46 a.m. CST

    is Spacey camping it up?

    by zooch

    Hackman would have never done that. The great part about Gene Hackman&#39;s Lex Luthor was that he was so evil and you hated him, but you also liked him, he was charming and funny, he had fun with the character. Plus Hackman is one of the subtle actors around.

  • March 19, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Hackman&#39;s Luthor was subtle???

    by moondoggy2u


  • March 19, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Ha, don&#39;t forget how subtle Hackman was at the end...

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    when he said: "Lex Luthor, the greatest criminal mind of our time!" Ha, I love Hackman but &#39;his performance&#39; and &#39;subtle&#39; shouldn&#39;t even be in the same book!

  • March 19, 2006, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Holy Fuck

    by WolfmanNards


  • March 19, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST

    You may see it there...

    by DarkCowBoy

    The superman Footage... Bad video, but take a look, here, for those who can&#39;t be there... :

  • March 19, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    By SUBTLE I mean

    by zooch

    crafty, sly, and cleverly devious. He took what could have been a one dimensional villian and made him humanized.

  • March 19, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Passion of the Superman

    by carneal

    Gaze in the brilliance!!!! or

  • March 19, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Luther got Hacked!!

    by Psychobilly

    Actually, Hackman took Lex Luther and turned him into a used car dealer! Hackman invented the least intimidating villain in the history of film. Lex from Super Friends was more imposing! Just as Kidder took Lois Lane and made her Lowest Lame. Eat a donut Kidder! I won&#39;t even go into the passive agressive Stuperman that Reeve made out of the Man of Steel!! And it being the 70s is no excuse!!!

  • March 19, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST

    re: John Williams

    by beamish13

    You&#39;re forgetting his best score ever: IMAGES, Robert Altman&#39;s 1972 film with Susannah York. Absolutely mind-blowing.

  • March 19, 2006, 7:55 p.m. CST

    If the kid&#39;s name is Jason...(SPOILER)

    by amrisharmpit

    That names comes from Greek mythology and means "healer." So it sounds like the rumors are true about this kid. I still think it&#39;s a lousy idea, even worse than letting Vicki Vale into the Batcave. Singer is going to get A LOT of shit for this come June. Be ready.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Gaze into the brilliance? That was horrible.

  • March 19, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Sitting on a Kryptonite toilet...

    by jinryu7

    Thats what I feel like... I am powerless to release the *sigh* of relief that can only come from knowing, that I sat through this turd, and it was either damn good, or left me wondering what I ate. Let&#39;s really hope Singer can deliver. Weither or not he is gay means nothing, can he make a Supes worth loving? As an actor for me more importantly, can Brandon deliver. I mean Reeve had this ability, the skill, the depth, to deliver that super scream in the end of part 1, and make your hairs stand up at the rage. I want some rage in superman, always have. He has to snap sometimes, and only a deep, good actor can deliver that. I am scurred..

  • March 20, 2006, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Going to Returns

    by KabutoKoji

    *Sigh* Oh, the casting sucks, the script sounds bad, the kid is a terrible idea, the storyline should have been different, the trailer is not impressive, etc, etc, etc. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You&#39;ll be there opening week? I though so. See you there.

  • March 20, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST

    lmao KabutoKoji indeed

    by Ridge

    Hilarious post my lad. And to clarify, what Kabuto wrote, was the exact same stuff we got in the batman begins forums. You can deny it all you want smackfu, but it was there, it was en masse and hardly the majority clamored for Bale. "He looks wierd in the batsuit" "Hes too fat" and bullshit comments like that shot out from people like rapid fire. Sorry man, I&#39;m not on crack, I just remember the forums pretty darn well.

  • March 20, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Teh ghey?? Teh Flash? &#39;member?

    by Psychobilly


  • March 20, 2006, 7:44 a.m. CST


    by chaos731 what I&#39;d say if this were a forum on "Out" magazine&#39;s site or something. But guess;s NOT. Gay, straight, whatever. What you do in the bedroom is your own business. Being secure in one&#39;s identity and sexuality means that you should never feel the need to A.) justify yourself to others and B.) Push your stance down someone else&#39;s throat. Sexual preferences are a tricky thing. Also complex. And bigotry, as relevant to society as it may be, is not relevant to Superman discussions, intrinsically. That&#39;s the problem with arguments like this...they almost always irrelevant to the situation that causes them to be brought up in the first place. So, if you&#39;re gay, wonderful. That&#39;s dandy. I have lots of gay friends, and more than one gay family member, and I don&#39;t go out of my way to identify them (or any gay person) as "Gay", unless they go out their way to identify THEMSELVES as "Gay". I don&#39;t feel the need to tell people that I&#39;m straight. Sexual and intellectual security comes from confidence, not from the approval, acceptance, or lack thereof of other people. Oh, and I&#39;m by no means a Superman geek, but I recognize that Superman is a great character because he&#39;s a character that is so easy for everyone to "latch onto". He represents so many things, including the fact that he&#39;s "Super" but he&#39;s still just a "man". He&#39;s just a regular dude at heart. Remember, everyone on Krypton had super powers, thus nullifying the "superness" of the powers. He&#39;s a regular guy, in irregular circumstances. That&#39;s something that, straight, or anything in between or outside of those boundaries...can relate to. So, consider both sides of the argument "moot".

  • March 20, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Stupid, fat, whining, pathetic, anti-Supe fanboys...

    by Jeditemple

    ...Will still show up opening weekend. If not, they&#39;ll be watching a Sci-Fi Channel "original" movie at home with their moms.

  • March 20, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    sounds like you&#39;re really swimming in gay over there...

  • March 20, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    This was an entertaining read...

    by Childe Roland

    ...after being offline a few days, recovering from my St. Paddy&#39;s Day celebration. I&#39;ve got to say, kids, if you&#39;re still even remotely concerned about Singer&#39;s sexuality impacting the undertones of this film or get a funny feeling in your pants when you look at Routh in the supersuit, then the problem&#39;s all yours. And you can qualify your negative feelings toward gays all you like if it helps you sleep better at night, but the fact of the matter is you are basing your attitude toward a group of people entirely on your perception of what they must be like because they choose to sleep with members of the same sex. That&#39;s bigotted and, frankly, ignorant. And it shows. That said, the gay cowboy/pudding jokes were very much within bounds in the first few weeks after Brokeback Mountain (a fine film) was released. The coincidence of a critically acclaimed indie film featuring gay cowboys after South Park had made such an out-of-left-field joke several seasons back was just too much to let slide without at least a couple "were they eating pudding?" comments. However, Brokeback&#39;s been out a while now. Pretty much all jokes stemming from or aimed at it have become tired tot he point of decided unfunniness, and the pudding ones are the oldest of the lot. Oh, and not even moviemack bitched about Bale as Batman in the forums leading up to Begins&#39; release, Ridge, so I don&#39;t know where you were seeing all the Bale hate, but it sure wasn&#39;t here. And, for the record, he DOES look goofy in the cowl when shot for prolonged periods from straight on (and I don&#39;t care who you put in that mask, they would as well), but he was kick-ass in the role despite that.

  • March 20, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Jeditemple & KabutoKoji - NO!

    by Killah_Mate

    Don&#39;t you people see? That&#39;s (and you&#39;re) exactly the problem! And you will, won&#39;t you? No matter what the critics say, no matter what the previews look like, no matter what your friends tell you, like sheep you&#39;ll still be in that line come opening day. Like sheep, you&#39;ll give your own money out of your own pocket to sit and watch a turd. Well, fuck that. I keep in touch. If I get some actual, substantial good buzz, then by all means I&#39;ll be there with you. I want to see Superman done well, yeah. But if not, then to hell with Superman Returns. If it&#39;s not good, I&#39;m not wasting my time on it. And if you weren&#39;t such slobbering fanboys, maybe you&#39;d do the same, and those movie people you always complain about would get a clue and make the next one better.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    So... Superman flies down a street?

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Sounds like a trailer for a Lex Luthor movie or a Daily Planet movie. They should have had Superman fightin&#39; a giant robot or somethin&#39;. If there&#39;s no action in this movie then it&#39;s gonna suck. We don&#39;t need some weak-ass Smallville-for-the-big-screen.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST


    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Why don&#39;t you go back to the V for Vendetta talkback and get owned by me over there a few more times? I&#39;m not feelin&#39; this one.

  • March 20, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s gonna be great

    by Zeke25:17

    I&#39;m quite sure of that; as far as I&#39;m concerned Singer hasn&#39;t made a bad film yet (Usual Suspects is on my top 25 of all time list; and both X-films, not just the second, were way cool). The look of the trailer, the fact that Williams&#39; music is being used, Spacey as Luthor: all of this portends well. And I&#39;m starting to get behind the Supes costume design. BUT...I hope Routh can convince me he was a better choice than Jim Caviezel, who I thought would have been incredible as the Man of Steel (what role is left for him after Jeebus Christ, after all?). Unlike some folks on this site, I don&#39;t care who may or may not be gay: my main quibble with BR is he looks too young and his eyebrows are too damn bushy! Let&#39;s hope ultimately this does not distract us from what could be one of the best superhero films made since...well, since 1978!!!

  • March 20, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Big mistake in the trailers

    by careyleefisher

    Has anyone else noticed the scene in the trailer where Clark picks up the photo of the Kents holding the infant Kal-El (it&#39;s the scene where he picks up the picture and you can see the costume was lying under the picture). The picture is obviously just a reused publicity pic from the 78 film. The problem is if there is a picture of the Kent&#39;s holding infant Kal-El after they retrieve him from the spaceship (Kal-El is wrapped in the red blanket in the picture) then who in the Hell took the picture? Did someone just drive by and the Kent&#39;s asked them to take a picture of them with their brand new baby that fell from the sky? Did Singer, or anyone else involved with this movie, not event think about how stupid that is? I know this doesn&#39;t affect the story and is only a minor detail but I just found that odd that Singer never thought about that.

  • March 20, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Routh isn&#39;t qualified to hold Bale&#39;s jockstrap

    by lynxpro

    I totally disagree with the notion that the majority of people were against Bale or *Batman Begins*. Moviemack was the lead instigator against that film. 97% of the rest of the posts were in favor of it as well as Bale. Can you say that about this flick? No. Why not? Because there isn&#39;t one piece of quality about it. So what if Bryan Singer is directing it. Joel Schumacher is a good director in his own right, yet he made arguably the worst Batman film of all time. And thus Singer himself is a moot point. Just as Ang Lee can successfully direct a film about gay cowboys but fails spectacularly at directing a movie about a 12 ft tall green guy. I was one of the biggest supporters of *Batman Begins* but that doesn&#39;t stop me from saying that *Superman Returns* is going to be a steaming pile of poo that I will not support with my dollars. At least if people objected to the script of *Begins* there was at least Christian Bale to agree with as a great choice for the role. You can&#39;t say that about Routh and his unimpressive acting history, with having been fired from a soap opera for bad acting. That makes him less qualified to be Superman than Joey Tribiani.

  • March 20, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST

    I think Norm McDonald said it best...

    by MaulRat

    "I am homophobic, I don&#39;t think that gays are any better or worse than you or I... I&#39;m just afraid of them.. no big deal".. heteros are insensitive, Gays are hypersensitive... speaking of.. where&#39;s my freakin foreskin? why wasn&#39;t I asked before they chopped it off... sick fuckers.... and for the record... I&#39;m not gay.... but the man I fuck in the ass is.. HU-HAH...

  • March 20, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST


    by ghostofjimispast

    hey carneal that was hilarious. do one for x3 now!

  • March 20, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Would you people stop with the gay cowboys?

    by Killah_Mate

    They&#39;re gay SHEPHERDS! I mean, really :)

  • March 20, 2006, 8:11 p.m. CST

    AICN Talkbacks

    by Batman_9

    man i have learned alot from these things. i&#39;m glad there are so many educated people here. apparently, most of the TB&#39;s HATED the choice of Bale as Batman, HATE everything about the upcoming Superman film and some of these TB&#39;s have informed me that i am both gay and homophobic because i think homosexuality is nasty. isn&#39;t a phobia a fear? i don&#39;t like Sonic&#39;s hamburgers because i think they&#39;re nasty, but i&#39;m not afraid of them...using the logic of some people in here, that means i am a Sonicburgerphobic. but i&#39;m cool with that. I&#39;ll judge SUPERMAN RETURNS when i see it and Bale IS Batman. AMERICAN PHSYCO and EQUILIBRIUM made that clear long before BEGINS was even concieved.

  • March 20, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Why are people talking about me?

    by brokebackcowboy

    Anyway, Quint likes what he saw so far and that&#39;s good enuff for me. Superman was one of the best superhero movies EVER, and this is getting Donner&#39;s blessing, so you will see me at fashion week. I mean Superman Returns.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    The Kid Will Not Have Superpowers

    by brokebackcowboy

    Even if the kid is the son of Superman, he wont have no powers. Cuz Clark went into the chamber and became powerless before he banged Lois, see? So the kid is human.

  • March 20, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Smackfu & BendersShinyAss

    by brokebackcowboy

    Smackfu: "Ah wish ah knew how ta quit you" BendersShinyAss: "Dammit Smack. We can&#39;t be together. Ever body on AICN will know we&#39;re queer. And they will see right through our gay-hiding homophobia schtick" Smackfu: "Aw right then. Just bend yer shiny ass and lemme ream it real good." *SPIT*

  • March 21, 2006, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Probably because it&#39;s a good idea to start with Luthor?

    by Ridge

    The focal point of Supermans universe is Lex Luthor, usually he&#39;s behind EVERYTHING that&#39;s going on to some capacity. Why play a trump card like Braniac or Metallo or even Doomsday up front when you can do what they&#39;ve done with Venom in Spiderman 3... keep it on the backburner til movie 2 or 3, then give it to the fans as a prize for waiting so long. It&#39;s just like why we got the teaser of the Joker in Batman Begins... now they&#39;ve whetted our appetite and we&#39;ll want more!

  • March 21, 2006, 8:04 a.m. CST

    Bale in The Machinest

    by brokebackcowboy

    Excellent and creepy. When I saw that, I said "That&#39;s Batman right there."

  • March 21, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    Thank you for illustrating that you clearly didn&#39;t even read any of my posts, you&#39;re just trolling. What exactly did I say that illustrated homophobia?

  • March 21, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    before this TB goes off topic any further...

    by IamNumber1

    Let me just say I&#39;ll reserve judgment when I see the movie. The first two superman movies, as well as the first Burton batman movie look a little dated now, but those three movies captured the essance of the comic book characters.the special affects didn&#39;t matter much because the movies had heart. Christopher Reeve looked and acted the part, and although Michael Keaton didn&#39;t look the part, he played it really well. As for batman begins and the upcoming superman returns, both movies look great and (so far) remain true to the comic. But without heart the movie might as well have been played out with toy action figures. Christian Bale really looks the part of Bruce Wayne, but his acting is too studied and method. That is all

  • March 21, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns vs. Worlds Finest

    by EvilComicBookGuy

    Superman Returns sounds fairly good but to actually comment on it I&#39;d have to see the film. As for the concept of Lois having a kid...I don&#39;t know about that one. I&#39;m a really big Superman fan ( I even have one of the original S&#39;s from a George Reeves costume compliments of one of my older brothers from when he was a kid ) I&#39;ve got tons of, what my wife affectionately calls "junk," ( I know she means it affectionately becaus if she didn&#39;t I would, without a second thought, destroy all of her Barbie "junk." Anyway I&#39;ll wait until I see the movie to pass any judgement on it. However, I did see "Worlds Finest." An Indy short that may never see the silver screen and it was intense. Batman & Superman together on the silver screen.Any one who is into Indy films and has seen Worlds Finest, has to agree, that would be one helluva film if ever produced. Thanks for the review Quint

  • March 21, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by HyperKnight

    This is without a doubt one of, if not the biggest movie of Bryan Singer&#39;s career. He will bring new interest to Superman and make him more than just the world&#39;s most known superhero. Pay attention because this is the Synopsis of the movie (SPOILERS): Superman has been gone for 6 years without saying goodbye to anyone or telling them where he is. After scientists discovered the whereabouts of the remains of Krypton, he decided to go back to find out anything more he could learn about his people or if there is a chance of survivors, once again without anyone knowing where he went. While he is gone, the world moved on and learned to live without him. Lois moved on by getting engaged and having a child. In the mean time, Clark is supposedly traveling the world doing some soul searching. His mother sends post cards and letters signed by him to all his friends including Lois to keep anyone from getting suspicious. During Superman

  • March 21, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST

    At least it&#39;s PG-13...

    by Uga

    ...according to the website.

  • March 21, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    So, what you are saying is that StupidLex emerges from prison channeling the soul of Serpentor, takes the Fortress Crystal, and creates Cobra Island in the middle of the Atlantic. He gets even more heated because he realizes he could have been a corporate shark and used that as cover for all of his scheming but instead he became a criminal and got sent to jail for stealing Gene Hackman&#39;s 25 year old characterization by a punk teen superhero who is much younger than him and pretty dumb when compared to the intellect that is The Batman. StupidLex then decides it would be really ironic if he stabbed Scrawnyman with hardened green kryptonite - how phallic! - and let him chance it out with the healthcare services received from the cost-cutting Metropolis HMO. Scrawnyman is about to die, but then receives a blood transfusion from KidderlessLane&#39;s accident and lo and behold Scrawnyman learns that he fathered KidderlessLane&#39;s accident and became a deadbeat daddy the moment he trekked out into the cosmos trying to find himself and his long lost cousins because his ship couldn&#39;t make the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. Freshly rejuvinated like Wesley Snipes in *Blade*, Scrawnyman flies off to CobraIsland to capture StupidLex and bring him back to Metropolis or The Hague to stand trial yet again. This breaks the heart of Tess who chomps even more scenery than she did while on the set of *Blade Trinity* despite her lack of fangs in this flick. The movie concludes when the District Attorney of Metropolis sends Clark&#39;s child support account out to collections and The Eradicator contracts to get back the cash and screws Dog in the process. Awesome! Sounds like $260 million in well spent Time Warner shareholder money to me! Wow, I just might delete *Smallville* from my TiVo Season Pass settings after reading that plot, because that&#39;s more drama and writing skills than is packed in a full day&#39;s worth of programming on TNT!

  • March 22, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Re: careyleefisher

    by Spyhunter

    No, they couldn&#39;t have used a camera with a self timer on it...unpossible! :)

  • March 22, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Don&#39;t Hate on Superman Returns

    by HyperKnight

    People can say all the terrible things they want about this movie, but the fact is we could&#39;ve had a non-flying, scissorhanded Superman who drives a motorcycle, has polar bears as his personal guards, and fights giant spiders and gay robots. No Joke.

  • March 22, 2006, 2:43 a.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Hey, as long as they didn&#39;t cast an actor fired from a soap opera for bad acting, sign me up to watch Superman fight polar bears. Better than the krap that will be hitting the theatres this summer.

  • March 22, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by HyperKnight

    I think I finally figured it out...You&#39;re Nicholas Cage right?

  • March 22, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    You figured it out! Just remember to pick up a copy of *The Weather Man* when you next visit your local BestBuy. Although *Matchstick Men* is a better flick. I also happen to like *National Treasure*.

  • March 23, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Bless you, my son... Now go out and buy/rent *The Weather Man* now available on DVD everywhere... :)

  • March 23, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Son/daughter...since a Sith Master theoretically could be a female. Come to think of it, I could use a new pupil who looked more like Mara Jade and less like Mr. Knowles... :)

  • March 23, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by careyleefisher

    Not impossible just highly unlikely. Why look for an excuse like a camera with a timer on it? Let&#39;s take it for what it is...a mistake. It is a doctored publicity photo for "Superman-The Movie". Nothing more, nothing less. I just thought it was careless to put it in the movie. Doesn&#39;t make sense. Weak answer to my question.

  • March 24, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Being gay is

    by Lost Skeleton

    Racist and homophobes on AICN strike again. And anyone who thinks Supes is going to suck is a Fox (X-men) plant or a moron. Although X-men 3 looks pretty good.

  • March 26, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST

    This is one f****d up site

    by football

    I didn&#39;t realise Singer was gay, and i must admit i don&#39;t actually care if he is or isn&#39;t. What i like about him is his geeky talent and his ability to extract credible performances from his cast. If you like the first superman movie then you&#39;ll probably get a kick out of this, and if you hated it then you&#39;ll hate this for the same reasons. It all depends on whether you want a superman film or not. Singer obviously won the gig due to his proven track record and his ability to get the project off the ground. Even Burton didn&#39;t quite manage this when given the Superman Reborn task!! I&#39;m just glad WB didn&#39;t go down the Smallsville route... a soap-style superman would&#39;ve been a flop. Anyway along with casino royale, the fountain, superman returns remains a movie must-see for 06.