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Fans of the Black Suit SPIDER-MAN might want to give this a look...

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I don't often (knowingly) post fan art here on the site, but I got this earlier tonight and the SPIDER-MAN geek in me had to share this.

I really like that official image/maybe poster/piece of art that hit a couple days ago, but as a fan of the Black Suit comic days I was a little disappointed with what the black suit seemed to look like in that pic. The composition, mood and pose was great... I also figured that it was possible that a direct adaptation of the Black Suit from the comics wouldn't work... Check this out:

Sony, if you're paying attention... and I think you are since you asked us to take down that Q&A, take a look at that art. I trust Sam Raimi with the film. I really do, but take a good look at that art. Too me, it is the perfect amalgam of the film universe and the comics universe. And take a look at the talkback below. I might be in the minority... I don't know, but I'd bet that most fans of the comics would prefer a Black Suit that looks a bit more like the above. Thanks to "Jonathan" for sending the link to the above art. Here's the official suit, for comparison:

One of the things that the SPIDER-MAN films have done better than most Superhero flicks recently is nail Spidey's costume. Matter of fact, the biggest bitching heard from fans had to do with messing up the costume for The Green Goblin. We're sticklers for this kind of shit, you know? They got the colors and patterns so right in the last two movies, it'd be a shame to see them stumble with the black suit.

So, what's the verdict for you guys? Which do you prefer? Do you like the raised webbing on the black suit? Do you like the nice white spider logo on the chest? What're your thoughts?

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  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Now THAT is black suit Spider-Man

    by Kraken

    That is what I want to see... oh man, I would see that movie 30 times !!!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:12 p.m. CST

    That Costume Looks Great

    by Batmanisgrim

    I didn't think that costume would work in a live action movie, but it does after looking at that picture.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:15 p.m. CST

    that is bad ass!!!

    by perfecto_fan


  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Black is back

    by Gorrister

    Love the fan art. Just wish it was in the movie.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Eh, does it really matter?

    by wingman321

    I agree the revised suit looks better but would it make that big a difference?

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST

    The Verdict?

    by Colierrannd

    Not yes but hell yes!Please Sony go with that!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Friggin Awesome

    by BoxWhatBox

    The films made me love Spiderman, but I

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    No Excuse

    by BigJohnson27

    Sony now has no excuse to leave this costume out of the movie. If it doesnt follow the story line(how they could manage to make the suit that integral to the story is beyond me) they should rewrite the script. Without that Costume they shouldn't bother with the black suit.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    If only the costume would look like that!

    by jrbarker

    That looks great. I was a little disapointed as well when I discovered they wouldn't be using the iconic black costume from the comics.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    If this were real, I'd claim to be Spider-Man

    by mmvenom420

    this suit is perfect! and hey, since they requested the removal of the fake Venom shot, maybe they'll find this interesting. WE LOVE THIS SUIT MORE THAN THE OFFICIAL VERSION!!!!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Trademarking baby!!!

    by Darth_Nader

    The newer version is great. I'd go even further and remove the raised outline around the eye pieces so it was perfectly smooth. The reason Sony won't alter the suit that much, is that Sony won't be able to market the 'familiar' logo that non-fanboys know. While I don't think it's too much of a stretch for an average film goer, I'm sure it more of a marketing decision.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST

    right on

    by The Symbiote

    yes Yes YES!!!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Yep...put the big white spider on there

    by Zeke25:17

    Otherwise it just looks like Peter had himself a little laundry accident and washed his suit with some black shoe polish or some such thing...OR, it looks like a goddamn black and white photo, and I don't care what ANYBODY says to the contrary. If yer gonna change it--CHANGE IT. We've had two movies with the classic red n' blue, so I doubt any purists would be complainin'. Number 3 should kick ass, Bryce Dallas Howard is a knockout, and Venom's tongue could be put to mighty good use where MJ is concerned!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    am i the only one that never read a comic book?

    by digital8

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    I agree, the fan art suit is much better.

    by Christopher_atUC

    Although I like the Sony version that was previewed a few days ago, that Photoshopped fan-art is really fantastic and increases the cool-factor by a very large margin!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    It doesn't really matter. Big spider is not important..

    by Mahaloth

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by ABking

    Sony is gonna make BILLIONS between this and ROCKY BALBOA! Mark my words!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:29 p.m. CST


    by imkindofabigdeal

    That is what we wanted...i do not see why that would not translate well on to screen, it looks great. It would be an absolute geekgasm for all of the fanboys. SAM PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    The second suit is fine, but...

    by El Scorcho

    it needs the fucking white spider on the front. At least get that part right.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by AdrianVeidt

    I seriously got chills just looking at that suit. As much as I hope they actually DON'T do the Venom or Black Suit storyline... the sight of that suit really almost changes my mind. Bring on something like that!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Hey Sony Marketing Department... do a poll...!

    by Kraken

    Do a fan poll at a comic convention showing this picture and they official still. Raimi, you're a fan of the comics, and the generation that is a fan of this storyline cares as much about the detail of this suit as you have cared for these films. Please listen to these talkbacks. Do you want a movie that will be liked a make a lot of money? Or do you want a movie that will be LOVED and make a SUPER AMMOUNT OF MONEY??? Care in the details, honoring the source... you can do it RAIMI/SONY!

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    How about making a good movie?

    by chickychow

    Quint, if u wanna petition these guys, just plead with them not to fuck this flick up. And if anyone from Sony is reading this: If Harry does indeed turn into the Green Goblin 2, DO NOT make it the same kind of suit that Dafoe wore in part 1, because frankly it sucked a whole lotta balls. Just awful.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST

    OMG Go to this link!!!!! NEW SPIDEY SUIT???

    by IAmJack'sUserID

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST


    by MrPonceMan

    My own geekness surprises me sometimes. I do think that re-interpretation is much, much better.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Um, that's no direct adaptation either...

    by Logo Lou

    I mean if you're gonne get THAT anal about it, which it seems like you are. No white pads on the top of his hands. white front spider doesn't connect to back spider. Black outline around white eyepiece. I liked the official one, do what your want Sony... I mean, listen to any other site but this one for pete(r)'s sake. People complained about the raised webbing at one time too. There's different good (Dock Ock, Spidey) and different bad (Green Goblin).

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Oh my God!

    by oatmeal2348

    Fantastic! I actually gasped quietly when I saw it. I know it's probably too late to change, but that's almost certainly worth the cost of a few reshoots! Also, could someone give the Reader's Digest condensed version of the Venom origin from Ultimate Spider-man? (Already familiar with the original ... uh ... origin)

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:43 p.m. CST

    fuck yes. Sony, fuck yes.

    by Bootskin

    Now that we have made what we want clear, get off yer lazy asses and get that Ps3 price point below $600. Punks.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Why take down that Q&A anyway?

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Surely you can bypass potential law-suits by just changing the names slightly or something (chances are we'll just think they're typos anyway with this being AICN and all ;). Do you want to keep that special relationship with Sony intact or something? And yeah, cool art.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST


    by LUZER

    Everyone actually agreeing with something? Masculine hugs and kisses all around for the big white Spidey logo. And how about a simple creepy rubber mask for GG2 if Harry's goin goblin.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:47 p.m. CST

    not perfect, but close

    by sketch2099

    i think the white spider needs to be raised like the webbing of the old suit, and i really liked the white pads on the back of the black suit, but how would that fit into this universe where spider-man has organic webshooters?

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    You forgot....

    by dancinggopher01

    the white on his hands...but that is just being anal. The fan art is better than the real deal.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST


    by HK_Cavalier

    95% of people who see this movie will have no idea that Spider-Man ever wore anything approaching a black suit. 14% of people know that.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Earth to Sony: If yer gonna do the black suit...


    ...DO THE BLACK SUIT, DAMMIT!!! Not just a lame black version of the red & blue suit. THE BLACK SUIT!!! THE REAL BLACK SPIDEY SUIT!!! Otherwise, why even bother?

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST


    by beelkay

    It's clear that it's the black suit at least.

  • Feb. 26, 2006, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Yep I'm with the masses on this one...

    by Neosamurai85

    That is the Black Suit. Without the Spider it looks like some high tech jewel thief get up. I could go either way on the eyes... but yeah. SIDER ON SUIT! SPIDER ON SUIT! Peace.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Another HELL YES!! for the fan version.

    by Rearden

    For a brief moment of total bliss I saw that fan art and and was happy. .5 seconds later I realized it was fan art, and i was again sad. Please SONY, take a hint.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST

    I'd Have Ejac'd

    by The Only Woj

    I'd have blown a geek load if that were the image I'd seen.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Looks much better

    by zikade zarathos

    I would've gone apeshit had that been the official image. Sony's looks cool and all, but seeing the fan art version swing around on the big screen would be 1000X better.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST


    by Johnno

    The costume I want is... THAT ONE!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:09 a.m. CST


    by aia208

    I registered JUST to post about how awesome the fan art is. Sony - don't fuck it up, stay true to the black suit. There's no reason to compromise on it. I've never seen a talkback where more people have been in agreement.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST

    who gives a flying f**k..

    by nolan bautista

    ..i demand a scene where Kristen Dunst drooling cum..and a cream-pie scene would be appreciated..Thanks for the request Mr.Raimi..looking forward to it..

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST

    You guys are seriously deluded...

    by Fleet

    ...If you think Sony give a shit about what you geek-ass, pocket-protecting wearing, Adobe Photo-shop expert freaks think...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Did Sony say costume in 2nd image is THE black suit?

    by Toxic Frog

    Apparently Sony said he'd wear A black suit, but did they say the one in the image is THE black suit? I wouldn't be surprised if their image is just B/W and we haven't seen the alternate costume yet.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Sony, please listen to reason. . .

    by Alpha and Omega

    That first pic was ok, but in reality, I'm a huge spidey fan and I was making a special tolerance for something I wasn't overly impressed w/. If you're going to do the black suit, do it properly. It's sad when fans are putting out better pics than you're highly talented staff. Sure it's photoshop, and a bit amateurish, but this guy did it out of a passion for the Spidey mythos. Your art dept. is paid major capital, and the first pic was a little bit of a letdown for me. I'm sorry, but you seriously need to change the suit. Listen to the real fans who see the films, and change it. Thanks.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST

    re:HK_CAliver... 95% of the people think you're WRONG

    by Kraken

    See, I can make shit up too. :)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST

    The only thing better than the white spider

    by Farging Bastige

    would be if the ass cheeks were cut out of the black costume. Not.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    I think Sony cares if Raimi cares. And he does.

    by chiahead

    That's a damn good adaptation. It really does make an otherwise not-so-viable costume idea and make it tangible and believable. Although I have to say, it'd still be tangible and believable if the spider legs went all the way around like in the books...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by estel_mm

    Spidey definetely deserves the full black costume treatment and that includes the WHITE SPIDER.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I think I like it...

    by Bass Ackwards

    ...because the white makes a definite contrast. The official picture is released in such drab tones its hard to actually appreciate the black, the fan art putting some white in there makes it stand out. I think when we see the official black suit in a photo thats not so washed out it'll look quite a bit better.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST


    by pyrodadd

    They are gonna do whatever they want to do, so just wait and see it and enjoy!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST

    what if

    by Turd Furgeson

    What if this is just another Spiderman fuck job? What if this is just version 1 of the black suit. If the suit is "alive" then wouldn't it have the possibility of evolving throughout the film like his designs for the suit in the first film. Like every time he changes into the black suit, or it changes him, whatever, it evolves slowly each time... And this poster is just another way for them to get all you freaks hot and bothered..... They haven't fucked up the movies too bad so far, although the 1st one was boring as hell, cut them some slack... I do like the 1st one better and was dissapointed that there is no white spider....

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST

    I'm probably in the minority here.

    by Neojanus

    I like Venom, I like that they're heading toward Venom. I prefer's Sony's black suit. Think about it, the symbiote can take the forms of clothes that the host wants. Assuming Peter likes his old suit, it should look more like his old suit. Plus without the webbing, it does look like a regular leotard painted with a white spider. I think Venom should probably have the White spider cause he's going ot be a buff MF'er, but not on short Toby.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Registered just...

    by PCB

    .. to say how fucking awesome it would be of Sony to use something like the fan-made suit.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Fan pic ROCKS

    by Curious Jorge

    I agree, I immediately hated the Sony pic when I first saw it. It doesn't capture the spirit of the symbiote costume. The fan pic is dead-on.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    My thoughts

    by The_Comedian

    When I first saw the official black suit, I was pretty much indifferent. It was nothing new. after seeing it a few times it grew on me, but that was probably me just acepting that this is what we were getting so I better start to like it now if I'm gonna enjoy this movie. Now that I see this fanart, I fucking hate the official one. It's a freaking copout, there's no other way to say it. Hell, they could've at least provided a pic of the official suit with a heavier contrasted background so people would'nt be arguing whether or not the picture is black and white. I forgave Raimi for organic webshooters, I forgave Raimi for Kirsten Dunst, bu if he fucks this up, I'm out.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 3 IS NOT BATMAN

    by DonkeyCamel

    Spiderman's not just a comic icon anymore. He's a Movie Icon. Love it or hate it, a movie icon's bigger. That suit with it's 3-D webbing is a trademark now and instantly recognizable. If they fudge with it TOO MUCH moviegoers will notice. You don't movigoers thinking, "Hey, he looks like Batman!" Spiderman has as many if not more movie fans than comic book fans. Sony is appealing to the mass moviegoing audience by keeping something familiar in the outfit. That said... the white Spidey chest emblem should be bigger.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    part 3s

    by sledgehammer5050

    i like how he said he "trusts" raimi on this one. which, most of us do...but i sure hope sam is up for the game in this one. no matter how good he is, it's always the third movie that tends to tank a franchise. Blade 3 was bad, Superman 3 bad, Rocky 3 took it into a whole new bad direction (instead of the poor thing, it went to the rich life), everyone's expecting X-Men 3 to be bad, Karate Kid 3 was bad, Godfather 3 was bad, Halloween 3 was horrible, Ammittyville 3 was bad, the 3rd Crow was really bad, ...etc. i could go on for a while - good thing is raimi did Army of Darkness" and that's a classic now, so there is hope. just please, hollywood, make a good part 3 of something for once!!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    The fan art suit rules!!!!!

    by BatPsycho

    Leave it to sony to drop the ball again and not go with the comic look for the black suit.I do like the one from the poster, but with the white spider symbol it looks more compleat.Come on sony, go with the white spider!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    by arrangedletters

    that's a nicea suit

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Now that takes me back...

    by kafka07

    To when I became a kid all over again, re-discovering Spiderman comics, and that lovely black suit appeared. And then as if that wasn't cool enough it turned into his coolest nemesis ever, Venom. Sony, don't betray me. Don't rape my childhood, you pedophiles. lol Hey ya know, maybe it's possible we will see the true black suit. After all, that is just a TEASER poster. : )

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Anti Venom Costume?

    by Succatash

    Why do all the online costume shops refer to the Venom costume as the "Anti Venom Costume?" Just Google it, and you'll be confused like me.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST


    by dejectedgeek

    That looks so much better, I hope that's the case when the movie comes out.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I'd hang the fan version on my wall...

    by Kraken

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    donkey camel

    by isildur29

    he got it right spider-man is bigger than just a comic character now he is a ginormous movie star

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    It needs

    by Trik


  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    This will be amazing if Sony decides to change the suit

    by warp11

    based on the fans asking for it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:54 a.m. CST

    from the fan art creators

    by Don_Knotts

    Me and my friend Jesse made this pic in about an hour, just to prove a point made over on a messge board on the site We didn't have to do much work to make it, and we thought about working on it until it was perfect, but we decieded against it and ordered a pizza instead. Anyway, we are incredibly flattered to see that Quint though it was worthy of this site, and that it has gotten such a positive reaction from you posters on the board. Makes me wish we had put in the extra 20 minutes to add the spider on the back. I really didn't think it would ever get seen by more than +10 people. If we did, we'd have gone the extra mile and made it perfect. Anyway, thanks agian. To know that the results of a hour or so's goofing off with photoshop gave some of you "chills" is something I wont soon forget. PS, (shameless plug) Jesse and I are both D/E list celebrities. IMDB us if you are curious. I'm under Jon Holmes (I) and Jesse is under Jesse Hopkins (II)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Sony won't change the suit

    by Bass Ackwards

    They aren't going to start second guessing the guy who produced two of the highest grossing films of all time. Anyone remember all the fan manipulations to Routh's costume after that first came out? And nothing came of that either. Just enjoy the fanart, leave it at that.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    one more thing

    by Don_Knotts

    We quickly changed the pic on the link Quint posted, so that the white square is on the hand. And for those that want it for their wallpaper... OK, enought ego stroking. Off to bed.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST

    it's all about the photoshop version

    by erasekid

    Yeah, go with the photoshop version plus add white to the back of spidey's hands.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST

    stick w/your first, Sony (like you'd think of changing)

    by HypeEndsHere

    the raised webbing will show up better when Spidey's in the dark. otherwise, the action would be harder to read.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:10 a.m. CST

    The thing everybody needs to realize...

    by VitaminJ

    is that superhero mives are NOT made for fans of the comics. They are made for the general public. There may be a few million people in the world who have read the comics (at most), but they want 100+ million people to go see this movie. Therefore, the suit is not designed to be loyal to the book. It's designed to have the widest possible appeal. And frankly, the official poster with the webbing design is more visually appealing.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST


    by turk128

    Don't change anything. If you think it works, stay with it. I rather ya tell another good story then try to give the fanboys some mental masturbation fodder.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Does It Really Matter That Much?

    by Warren Oates

    I mean, really, this is based on a series of COMIC know? Kids books? What little boys read when they got too old for Ziggy and the other funny pages? I'd understand if they turned Spider-Man into a Japanese eunuch that emitted rainbow stripes when he talked, but.......the webbing? That's a big deal? Let it go. You're grown ups. It's just a movie.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST

    That is it.

    by Super Fly

    FOr the "85%" not familiar with the black suit, you can't tell me that image wouldn't have peaked their interest the way teaser posters are supposed to. What's the point of having the same costume in a different color? You think the average movie goer is going to notice a difference with the official version?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST

    That works much better!!! I love it!!!

    by Orionsangels

    Sony if you're watching

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    The suits Venom anyway...

    by Orionsangels

    sometime during the movie he'll lose the costume when Venom reveals himself. Whats the problem?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    The suits Venom anyway...

    by Orionsangels

    sometime during the movie he'll lose the costume when Venom reveals himself. Whats the problem?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    peter torquer

    by threesixozone

    most definitely liking the redo...great job!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    The blck suits Venom anyway...

    by Orionsangels

    sometime during the movie he'll lose the costume when Venom reveals himself. its not spidey's new official costume. so whats the problem?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST

    2 things

    by The_Boo

    First, while that idea for the costume is sooooooo much better they would never do it for one simple reason, that dude is scary, just take a look for a moment and picrue bumping into him in a dark alley. Yikes! Second, if they are doing the Venom storyline they'll probably use a variation on the cartoon continuity where John Jameson went to the moon and brought back a rock with the symbiote in it. Although they have gone a bit heavy on the dangers of science gone bad stuff in these films, but then again Sandman is a bit more out there as far as abilities goes than either Green Goblin or Doc Ock.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Great job "Jonathan"

    by Darth Thoth

    Awesome work. Make it happen Sony!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Not Gonna Happen (Hate to Say It)

    by jollydwarf

    I'm sure that they've already designed the 'teaser poster's' suit. I'm sure that they've already got the polygonal, CG black Spidey in their hard drives. I'm also pretty sure that they're not worrying so much about what WE think, but instead what they anticipate the average moviegoer will respond more positively to (which is always dicey guesswork and often flat-out WRONG). On top of that, the black suit will be explained by Peter thinking of his old suit and the symbiote replicating the pattern to perfection. Having said all that...I'M HOLDING OUT HOPE ON THIS ONE!! THAT IS THE BEST, MOST PRACTICAL FAN ART I'VE EVER SEEN! THE TEXTURE OF IT SCREAMS 'THIS SUIT IS A SENTIENT, SHAPE-SHIFTING ORGANISM'! To sample the Beastie Boys, Sony, "D-d-d-do it!" Oh, and I'm also sure that I didn't read the TalkBack, so 95% of my post is very likely to be totally redundant.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:25 a.m. CST


    by riqu

    Sony execs pay attention! That fan art IS the black costume we all want to see on the screen in 2007! The one you sent put out is NOT! Although I feel the teaser image Sony sent out is not really the costume they are intending to use, but an image to make everyone go wild with speculation, it still worries me. Be very careful Sony, not getting the black costume right could finish this franchise.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    That Picture P3wn3d Me And I Stayed To Cuddle

    by skoobyx

    Have to say it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Like others...

    by The Crowing

    This is my first time ever posting, because I just registered soley to say that if Sony does not put that white spider, then they are all destroying what Spider-Man is about and I will not go see this movie. Of course one ticket doesn't count in the scheme of things, but I just simply think it won't be worth it. It's horrible they had a black costume without the Spider on it...I mean it's like having Superman's costume without the giant 'S.'

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Not too bad...

    by LucienPierce

    ...but I'm still a big fan of feeling the living suit...well, live. It needs to be organic, feeding off of Peter Parker. And I think the Spider should look something like the crawlers in Alien. Same boney leg structure. And it should wrap right around Peter, symbolizing what a symbiote does with the Spider Logo. I refuse to believe that the suit that was shown to us is the actual black suit...if it is then Raimi and his Production Design team have become EXTREMELY LAZY! Unless of course the black suit actually has nothing to do with!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST


    by OldEnoughForMe

    That is just awesome. One point for fan art, zero for Sony. Now, if Raimi would rip off the action choreography from a few Naruto episodes... I will forgive him for the poor fight scenes from the first two films. Wishful thinking, I know.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Doesn't really matter to me either way.

    by Ribbons

    Just my opinion, go easy comics fans. In some ways I'm more inclined to believe that the symbiote -- if that's even what we're looking at here -- would just cover Peter's old suit in black rather than make it into a more stylish version of itself. But, whatever. I do have to give props to Jonathan for a nice photoshop job though.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Fan mock up is unarguably better

    by IndustryKiller

    Sony if there is something that unites internet fans you might as well bite the bullet and go with it, I guarantee there's money to be made

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Raimi has jumped the shark

    by Razorback

    That fan nailed it. That is how it should look. Spidey 3 will suck.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Marvel Costumes in the 80's

    by Sherman_Lives

    Around Marvel's Silver Jubilee in the mid-80's, they were changing all of their key characters' looks: Spidey in these black duds; Thor with a beard and body armor; Captain America in black as "The Captain;" Iron Man in his Red & Gray "Silver Centurion" armor; The FF in the new navy blue outfits... then Thing going all spikey; Hulk going gray and becoming "Mr. Fixit;" Angel getting mutated into blue-skinned Archangel; Beast, lately furry, losing his fur again; and those were just the ones I thought of on the top of my head! I guess costume changes were Marvel's response to their competition completely rewriting their history with a Crisis. In that case, I guess we should be expecting Spider-Man in another new costume soon... hey, look at that!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Suit Will Probably Change on Venom

    by The E

    I think in the movie they are trying to more clearly distinguish between Venom, the bad guy, and Spider-Man the good guy. In the comics the suit looks exactly the same on Parker and Brock (Venom), minus the face. But it probably is more logical to have the suit look like

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Awww crap...

    by OldEnoughForMe

    You know, I just realized... the first black Spidey in the official Sony poster DOES make sense. If the symbiote now lives in the live-action realm, and CAN duplicate whatever it touches, it would also have to duplicate the raised webbings too:( I still admire the fan art.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    Always bet on BLACK!

    by Funk4America

    This topic is retarded. There are profesional production artists who probably had to draw a zillion choices for venom and they already know which one they are going with. With no knowledge of that key piece of info you tossers are in the dark as it were as too the coolness or lack thereof of a creamy center to the alien symbiote costume. Just be happy they are doing Venom in a movie. You know I bet they secretly are filming 4 at the same time. Thats just my little guess. Raimi has made the best superhero movie of all time with spider-man 2. He gets a pass on these types of things with 3 until the film is in the theater, thats just my take on it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    by drewchoice

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST


    by seniormoogle

    Wake up Raimi! Boomstick bitches, yes to the spider emblem.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:10 a.m. CST

    This is the suit that we deserve

    by drewchoice

    Symbiote suit Spiderman, the classic black and white is what made me fall in love, really fall in love w/ Spidey. I always thought he looked bent in Red, white and blue. This fan got it right. Sony, hire him!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST


    by Renholder

    The Fan Art is an improvement but it seems like Sony wants Spidey to look like Spidey, but black, while I would bet that Topher will have a more classic Venom look.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:36 a.m. CST


    by matt-the-bat

    To everyone freaking out on this whole spider-man look just calm down and look at the image again. I dont believe that that's the black venom costume. it's more than likely a monochromatic pic of spidey just to set a mood for the film, saying that its darker and such. i cant see why they wouldnt use the actual design for the suit in the movie. it wouldnt be as effective if they didnt. so everyone calm down and im sure things will work out in the end. cheers

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST


    by Nac

    Use this version, PLEASE. It would be utterly amazing.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST

    HK_Cavalier said it first (that I saw)...

    by RaylanGivens

    Spider-Man's costume is so recognizable, even by non-comic reading audiences. This... is a TEASER psoter. It's to let people know Spider-Man 3 is coming. Having the picture tinted in black was the true "teaser" of the teaser poster, almost exclusively for comic fans. It's teasing us that the black suit is coming even if this isn't necessarily it. Fuck, this movie doesn't come out until 2007. Like they're going to give it up by blowing the costume shot over a year in advance. Relax fanboys. They hear you, and they are laughing at how worked up some of us are getting... when you see the "Secret Wars" costume make its appearance in the movie, don't sit back and smugly think "Ah, thank god they read the the post I made on aintitcool where I demanded they change it to the original black costume." Deep breaths all around... relax. Stop making petitions. It's a teaser poster.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by Neosamurai85

    good call. With a second look I've got to agree with you. You can even see the normal costume spider emblem. I think it is a monochrom shot of the normal suit. Smart move. Shows the darker tone, teases the fans without showing the goods. Hope you're right man. Peace.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Get the fuck over yourselves.

    by s00p3rm4n

    You fucking geekwads think you rule the universe. That that one minor fucking piece of shit detail would smear your moviegoing experience - and then to presume that in your infinite fucking wisdom, the film would be any better if the filmmakers would listen to you? Your specific and particular breed of uninformed, geek-trivia pomposity is astounding, and yet in the same breath that you say "Hey filmmaker, I know how you should direct your movie," you look down at the people with poor taste - the Uwe Bolls and Big Momma's House 2's of the world. Your bitching and your "Oh, well the comics say this" attitude is why half of movies made today have a permanent home in Suckville. Although, what am I saying? Half of you are probably already writing your "big" script. Enjoy masturbating over the minutiae that quantify your existence.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:11 a.m. CST


    by LizardMan

    Unless they send Spider Man to the land of SECRET WORLD 1, they're going to have to change some of the black costume mythology. So what's the big deal about the size of the spider logo? I don't care if the costume is yellow as long as the script is HALF as good as Part 2.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:14 a.m. CST

    A postscript.

    by s00p3rm4n

    "We deserve it because we're fans" is the most idiotic thing I've heard since "Don't forget Poland."

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST


    by moto

    The first film is completely overrated. The first 40 minutes were gold for the most part, but once the Green Goblin came about and Spidey was in action, the film fell flat. The second film had SOME great moments but spare me the preachiness of Peter's "shall I quit" mantra and that terrible speech from Aunt Mae. Do we REALLY need to be force fed that much? That storyline was much better when they did it the firs time in Superman 2. THAT film nailed it. Spidey 2 had somewhat better effects, although they are the kind of effects that you look at and say, "Wow, that was a kind of cool EFFECT." Meaning that it isn't very seamless with the real footage. It's video game like effects (see the SW Prequels). Give me the seamless effects of James Cameron films any day of the week. Spidey 2 had SOME moments. But was still VERY overrated. Problem is, Sony is so good with the marketing that I get pumped for each film, hoping to leave the theater with a full stomach... only to leave with an empty one thus far. So Spidey 3 looks great with FINALLY come excellent villians. ******** But, back to my point, I look forward to a recast with SPIDER-MAN 4. Tobey just isn't cutting it. I'm sick of his crooked smile and big eyed stares. Yeah, Parker was supposed to be a dork, but hey, he was handsome in the comics, why can't he have a more manly look in the movies? Kirsten Dunst was the WORST miscast. If only Kate Hudsen would have signed on. Jameson is over the top. I know he may resonate very much like the comic version, but when you're making a MOVIE, that's not really a good thing. Give me X-MEN 2 any day of the week. Give me BATMAN BEGINS!! THAT was a fucking movie. Instead we have subpar villains thus far, subpar effects, subpar action sequences (come on, the train sequence in S2 wasn't THAT great... and what a terrible, preachy shot of the civilians passing Spider-Man down the aisle with "We won't tell" dialogue), terrible stalls in the film when Bruce "Thank God I'm friends with Sam Raimi" Campbell appears, etc. Give me Jake Gyllenhaul (sp?) as Spidey. How about that?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Any moron...

    by KurosawaDisciple

    ...who would actually boycott this film over the lack of a "white spider on the chest" needs to get over themselves. C'mon...Sony's version is fine. And the movie sounds like its gonna rock...the pic IS cool though.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Please Sony Use Take Notice of the Fan Pic and.........

    by djquincyzee

    ....Bruce Campbell for Scorpion or Mysterio! But going back to the suit. The "Black and White" poster looked a bit boring/lazy. And that fan art proved that the original works. So they should use it. Ok? Good. Not for some Bacon.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Depends on how the introduce the symbiot, I guess.

    by RobinP

    Assuming the Secret Wars are out, will they go with the animated series origin of a few years ago and have it brought back to earth on the shuttle, which could well be piloted by Jonah Jameson's son ? If THAT is the case, then the black goo may well just cover Spider-Man's existing costume like a membrane. Visually, I prefer the design with the white emblem, naturally...looks damn good.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    We, the comic book movie fans really do suck. I cannot believe that people are talking about boycotting this film, or accusing the costumes designers of not knowing what they're doing, or shaking their fists angrily at Sam Raimi. Not only is he the same man who's probably responsible for most of you (no need to dissent, because I did put the qualifier "most" in there and because I also don't really care) people's favorite superhero movies, but it's just a black suit! You're ready to go to war with Sony and Raimi over whether or not it's got a giant, white, Todd MacFarlane-esque spider on the middle of the chest? Criminey, I don't understand it. This really seems like a non-issue.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    IAmJack'sUserID, you're a sick motherfucker

    by satansteve

    i dont even know how im typing this, seeing as my eyes have melted, fucker. lol

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Like it, love it

    by moviemaniac-7

    Can't wait for this one. Despite its flaws this franchise has kept me excited all over. At least Raimi didn't fuck off to do another superhero movie (like one other helmer) and sticks with the plan to make his trilogy. Kudos to you, Mr Raimi. So far, so good. "Go get them tiger."

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST

    The "edited" black suit is better!

    by romscomputer

    The "edited" black suit is better!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:59 a.m. CST

    White spider should reach all the way around the body

    by Steve Rogers meet up with the identical white spider on his back. And don't forget the white squares on the back of his hands! (I always loved those). Other than that this looks fucking great. REAL BLACK COSTUME FOR SPIDEY 3!! HELL YEAH!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:59 a.m. CST

    one more vote for the white spider

    by maxdembo

    ever since the matrix and its cool leather suits hollywood seems to be scared of anything else, spidey was the exception. they just about got his suit right, dont give in now! maybe petey's become a fan of the xmen films?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5 a.m. CST

    10,000x better

    by stvnhthr

    Nice job.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Excuse me for being sentimental over a fucking suit but

    by axelfoley

    I understand where a lot of frustration towards the suit change comes from. It's the whole "They only have one opportunity to do the black suit thing, why can't they do it right" rationale, which is plausible because it all stems down to an us against them type of stance. I'm talking about the fans of this property and the suits. Yes, the suits. The fast-talking, Nextel toting, raquetball playing Princeton grad who thinks his shit don't stink and looks down on comic books as kiddy stuff when it can be more than that. Now, I'm not a Superman fan, save the movies, but even I know, 80s comic book boy or not, you do NOT fuck with that costume. Check that though.....even though I'll still be seeing 'Returns' opening night (my birthday), you have to admit that costume is weak. Burgundy wine-colored cape, tiny s on the chest, "S" belt? Slim-jim colored boots? Is that going to overshadow the rest of the movie for me? Well, no. But it won't enhance it. And before I get written off as close-minded keep in mind that alot of these properties are still made with readers past/present of these multi-million dollar properties, AND let's not forget our girlfriends,wives,kids,grandparents,uncles. Why do you think Spider-Man 2, which I thought was better than the first owned? Because it APPEALED TO everybody. Back to the Spidey suit. I think they kept the costume the same and made it like a "gray version" because they didn't want to alienate any non-Spidey comic readers of randomness of him all of a sudden wearing a black spandex outfit with a white spider. BTW, this new picture featuring just that is awesome with a capital aw, but while some people are going just a little overboard with the costume change, keep in mind possibly keeping it open to save that frustration for the yuppie little Joel Silver wannabes who drink lattes, kiss ass like it's no one's business and know nothing nor care about comic books. They're the real assholes.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:14 a.m. CST

    A combination of BOTH

    by Rcamacho2278

    would be best.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:15 a.m. CST


    by maxdembo

    the thing the joel silver asshole wannabe suits dont seem to understand is why these characters have endured 30/40 years plus of popularity. by all means update for a modern audience, update to make it work on film but for fucks sake, stay true to what made these characters and designs survive (admittedly the black suit aint been around that long but again, there is a reason why that design was popular and it wasnt just cos spidey looks fetching in black). if it aint broke...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:36 a.m. CST

    I doubt anyone's still reading but...

    by quickresponse

    ... dudes, seriously, you are slamming the design of a Venom suit you haven't seen for a movie you barely know a thing about, favouring instead some fanboy art (no offense, I like the artwork)... Given Raimi has made two pretty good Spiderman movies chances are he'll probably do a decent job on this one.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:39 a.m. CST

    I gotta say that I slightly prefer...

    by CoursinLarry

    the Fan Art. But, seriously, I'll love whatever they do.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:39 a.m. CST

    AWESOME!! Now that is what I want to see!!!

    by simongarth2001

    Comeon Sony! Give us THAT look. We know what we are talking about on this!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Well no, but the thing is, axel...

    by Ribbons

    ...I think you're probably making a mistake by attributing the suit to the suits. It is possible that someone (i.e. Sam Raimi, James Acheson, Bryan Singer, etc...) can like and/or respect that character and still prefer a different take on a costume than you do. It's just a difference of opinion. I mean, well, okay, I'm not a big fan of the Superman funny books, but still, I know a little bit about the character and I do have more than a passing interest in the movie, and my reaction to the color of the boots (the color of the boots, for god's sake) was pretty laissez-faire. Who cares whether or not they're wine red or strawberry red? Like what does the difference between those two hues represent that gets people so angry about it? And the same applies here, with whether or not there are raised webs on the (maybe) symbiote suit. Plus, I do wanna stress that we don't even know what the hell is going on with this movie. If Spidey is wearing a black suit at all, it might not even be a symbiote.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    AND IT AIN'T IN THE EYE!!! Mirror the image and flip it. Teeth are clearly visible between the wrists and there are eyes at Spidey's fingertips. Everyone is speculating about the eye reflection, and if its a black and white photo, how many took the time and examined the clouds??? Do I get my own talkback too? Hmm? Do I? :P

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg


  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Like a Spider Stealth Suit

    by DannyOcean01

    Looks really cool, and not such a major leap to the one we could see if Venom is in full force. The production art looks too close to the costume and if an alien symbiote was involved, I always thought the costume would look more smooth; almost like oil had been poured over it. Top marks for a fan effort anyway!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:27 a.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    I am not seeing what you are seeing...perhaps you could post a link to it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:27 a.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    I am not seeing what you are seeing...perhaps you could post a link to it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST

    I, too, prefer the top one.

    by Virtual Satyr

    Seriously. I will lose a lot of respect for the Spidey movie franchise if they don't make the suit look like the first pic.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:34 a.m. CST

    I see it too shermdawg.....

    by misnomer

    and Ive been very skeptical about there being any hidden images in the poster...definately looks like venom. Im a graphic designer it also looks like a vector graphic of venoms face that has been blended as "screen" layer in photoshop. Although that said, remember the brain is always looking for I would still say its a coincidence...or mebbe someone joking around.....very cool though : )

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST

    and as for the fan-art....

    by misnomer

    its very good. But Im still in two minds a) it doesnt matter that much. b) theres a year til release c) while I think the white helps the costume punch out...I kinda like the raised webbing as well. I mean, it works as a poster...but that doesnt mean the white costume will work as a screen test. I MEAN COME ON!! THE FIRST SCREEN TESTS THEY WOULD HAVE DONE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH THE "COMIC BLACK SUIT" and they probably thought...the white doesnt look great...back to the drawing board. TRUST RAIMI.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    will you trust Raimi please??

    by skynetbauxi

    sure the fan art suit looks better... for a single picture it does. but can't you just trust that Raimi and Sony know what they're doing?? after all, they've totally nailed it so far! and none of you know what the story is going to be! maybe the black suit we saw in the teaser poster is an EARLY VERSION of the black suit IN THE STORY! like the red-sweater-and-blue-pants costume in the first movie. or whatever... but I'm sure it will work PERFECTLY in the movie. the only thing you'll achieve with an article and talkback like this is that they'll definitely NOT use the fan art costume in the film! because A) that would make them look really stupid, like they couldn't come up with the perfect design by themselves and had to use some internet comic geek's instead, and B) they'd have to pay that same internet comic geek GAZILLIONS for the rights to use his design (I know it's not HIS design, but you know what I mean). just let the pros do their fraggin' thing, gorram it! if you're all such smeggin' geniuses, why don't you go ahead and make your own frellin' movies?? fuck :-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST

    I'm not that would work in the real world...

    by obi12kenobi would look like a cat-suit if he were to stand up straight.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:15 a.m. CST

    I liked the fan-art version, until I found out...

    by 3 Bag Enema was made by guys who have been on reality cable TV shows, and who have the audacity to call themselves "D-E list celebrities." More like Z-list, dude. On the showbusiness ladder, you're one step below circus clowns. Thanks for the new wallpaper, though!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:18 a.m. CST


    by L. Duderino

    I love the big-@ss white spider-logo!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:39 a.m. CST

    The fan art version is perfect

    by fAbs

    I Don't know why Sony simply decided to go with what seems like a Black version of the normal Spidey-suit. But this fan art IS venom. This is not a fans interpretation of what he/she thinks the black venom outfit should look like; this IS what the venom outfit should look like. Sony: you've gotten it wrong with time.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:50 a.m. CST

    More about the creator's of this magnificent Fan Art

    by Don_Knotts

    OK! So I'm a Z List celebrity! I apologize for my audacious and totally self worshipping claim that I am an F list celebrity (which by the way, is a low as it gets, as the metaphor uses school grades as a basis. As bad as my grades were, I never got a Z in any class that I can recall). And don't bring Jesse into this. He is a composer and never was on any reality show. KNOW YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU START DEMEANING MY FRIEND, AND/OR CIRCUS CLOWNS! Those crazy fuckers are really talented dudes. And to those who keep refering to us as "computer" or "comic book" geeks, I reiterate, this took us an hour or two to do, without using any references, and not really caring how it turned out. We were just having some fun, using photoshop what it was made for, to alter photos. The only thing remotely geeky about waht we did was send it here. The real geeky thing is to show some bizzare sign of anger towards us and/or the people that like what we did. Get a grip, you jerks! We're just having some fun! Geeky = overly emotional response to a fantasy/sci-fi world or concept due to confusing said fantasty with reality. No need to be hating on us. Makes you sound like you have problems. PS, Cute girls still ask me for my autograph when I go out on the town to McDonald's. So that makes me a D list celebrity :).

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi

    taking an hour of your time to alter a SPIDER-MAN photo in photoshop = the definition of geeky :-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:12 a.m. CST

    MIKE ZECK designed the black costume

    by BranMakMorn

    Back in the 80's for Marvel.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:18 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Mirror Spideys, facing each other, then flip upside down and zoom in. Now look at the teeth between the wrists, and eyes at the fingertips!!! LOOK AT IT!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi

    by the way... THERE HAS BEEN NO OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION WHATSOEVER THAT VENOM WILL BE IN THE MOVIE! black suit does not equal Venom! I'd even say the fact that the black costume DOESN'T have the white spider-logo is evidence that there will be no Venom. because, do you seriously think that they'd "forget" or consciously remove the white spider from the Venom costume?????? you must think they're idiots, which they clearly are not. so, instead of ASSUMING it's Venom and then COMPLAINING that they got the costume wrong, why don't you think about some other explanations for the black suit? how about: someone beloved to Peter dies (Gwen? May?) and he simply wears a black suit out of grief? which would also kinda explain the sad mood of the picture, wouldn't it? or maybe Spidey uses the black suit in situations where he needs to be unseen at night or in the shadows? red and blue aren't exactly camouflage colors. :-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    BTW, I'm not saying it's Venom...

    by Shermdawg

    so don't look for him, just look for a ordinary face. Just a dude gritting his choppers.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Do you recall ever getting an "E" in any class?

    by 3 Bag Enema

    I don't hate. I love. But "A-list" refers to the alphabet, not the US public-school grading system. But I don't hate, really. You're my new buddy. I'm going to call you Omega the Clown. (By the way - I know you're reading this, because you're an attention whore. It's so easy to fuck with people who live for ego-fulfillment. No hate, though.)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:25 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Hate to burst your bubble but, "Ultimate" Venom didn't have the white spider logo. And like we've all said before, Sam will probably go with this version than the classic.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Mediocre photoshop tinkering = second coming?

    by kiddae

    They've obviously gone with that design for story reasons; I'd bet money the symbiote will go right over his old costume.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi

    and like Sam himself said before, he doesn't like Venom, so he'll probably not go with any version at all ;-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST

    It's The Organic Web Shooters All Over

    by Sean38

    The logo on the chest of the suit will NOT make or break this movie. Good lord people, if you don't trust Raimi by now I don't know what I can say to convince you. The suit looks great as is and probably makes more SENSE within the context of the film. It's this sort of fanboy stupidity that gives geeks a bad name. (Okay, a worse name.)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST

    "MIKE ZECK designed the black costume"

    by 3 Bag Enema

    I know Zeck drew Secret Wars, but I'd heard it was actually Rick Leonardi who designed the black costume. Anyone know about this? Maybe I'm confusing this with Leonardi's Spider-Man 2099 design. This reminds me of the debate over who designed the original costume, Kirby or Ditko. Looks like a Ditko design to me. Man. I seem to be preoccupied with supersuits. So I'm a geek, and a fag. I need a drink. So I'm a geek fag alcoholic. Oh my god! I just had a moment of clarity!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST


    by 3 Bag Enema

    In seperate interviews, both Kirsten Dunst and Thomas Hayden Church have confirmed that the villians are Sandman and Venom. I'm so sick of this. Now go interpret what's in the eyepiece.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Black Suit Explanation No. 3

    by skynetbauxi

    Spidey and Sandman battle it out in an Ink Factory... you know, the abvious connection between sand and ink... and as Spidey jumps at Sandman, the bastard goes all sandy and Spidey falls into a big vat of ink... Sandman gets away, and now Spidey's sitting outside in the rain, all inked and pissed about his failure, waiting for the ink to wash out of his suit... ;-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    "Kirsten Dunst and Thomas Hayden Church have confirmed"

    by skynetbauxi

    correct, that's what I meant by "no official confirmation".

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    What, no wink?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    you know Im gonna have a go at altering that pic...

    by misnomer

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi


  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:50 a.m. CST

    me likes

    by Jubba

    the concept fan art better than the official pic

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST

    The Fan Art is Far Superior

    by vikingkitty

    I hope Sony is paying attention.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST

    fuck sony! you still have a year!!! use this suit!

    by TheResident

    ASDSADFASDJDGJASD!!!! i want true venom suit for gods sake!!, not the crappy normal spidey suit spraypainted black!!! Sadly i think that nothing will happen, nevertheless i can almost see some people already starting a stupid campaign on lol

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Fan art is better than the real deal

    by jimmy_009

    That must be a first.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    You just know Raimi and the suits will have a meeting

    by 3 Bag Enema

    ...about this talkback. There will be a poster-sized reproduction of Omega the Clown's geek-art next to the actual poster. "But we already painted all the Spider-Man 2 action-figures black." Meeting adjourned.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Although the "camouflage Spidey" scenario sounds lame

    by Ribbons

    Assuming that this is a possible explanation for why Peter is wearing a black version of his own suit, of course. One figures the only reason he has a Spider-Man suit in the first place is to leave an impression, or "be a symbol," as David Goyer would say. If you're trying not to be seen in the first place, what's the point of going to all that trouble to sew a black Spider-Man suit? A sweatsuit and a ski mask would work just as well. So I don't know. If the symbiote isn't the reason behind Spider-Man's change in duds, hopefully it's got nothing to do with camouflage either.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST

    the eye of the spider

    by skynetbauxi

    alright, enough with the bickering, let's have some fun! we all know there's something reflected in Spidey's eye, but what could it be? you can check out one possible answer here: (I shrunk the picture down on the site, but when you download it you get the full size so that you can zoom in). if you have any other suggestions, just mail them to me via the link on the website, and I'll put them right next to mine! of course you can use the fan art poster as well ;-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST

    "camouflage Spidey"

    by skynetbauxi

    that "camouflage Spidey" idea was just the result of some kinda mini-brainstorming, trying to come up with possible explanations other than the "obvious". but I still have to assume that there could be situations where staying unseen would be more important than leaving an impression. and since Spidey obviuously has a number of red-and-blue suits ready at any time, it shouldn't be a problem to have a few of them made out of black material instead of red and blue. just a matter of using a different "cloth". so it wouldn't really be any extra trouble, and the clear advantage would be that IF he had to come into the light after all, wearing the black suit, he would still be recognized as Spider-Man and not just some guy in a sweatsuit and a ski mask. ;-)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    No Venom, otherwise black suit with white spider OK

    by xeeds

    I like the look of the black suit with the white spider, better than without, and the raised webbing looks fine in any color. I'd rather not see Venom at all, or Carnage, stick with the more classic villians. I'd rather they just stick with the red and blue suit period.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    by skynetbauxi

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:09 a.m. CST


    by The_Comedian

    Actually, In the Ultimate spiderman Videogame, the plot of which is considered to be part of the comics continuity, Venom gains the white spider at the end.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    The fan art makes no sense,even if it is true the comic

    by Blacket-Man

    Raimi and Sony stick to your guns. I watched both films last night and every call you have made have been dead on. Do not let fagboys...ur I mean fanboys disaude you. Why would spider man have a big old white spider on the front of his suit if the costume if the symbiaote is supposed to mimic his clothing.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:40 a.m. CST

    It's a living thing...and hope it's treated as such

    by isispop

    Pretty good job...& that's comin from a pro illustrator that practically lives in Photoshop. The thing w/me being both a long time comic fan & fan of the movies, is that I feel this may be the 1st time they drop the ball in the treatments on Spidey's costumes. Not totally drop it, but a litttle stumble. Although if they're going to do Venom as an alien symbiote then I don't think it needs to have identical beveled patterns to the red & blue suit. That is, unless he can manipulate the alien skin w/his mind to look just like his previous suit. It could kind of come together & fold like Mystique's scales. Now that'd be worth a test. I pictured it being more likea slick wetsuit (that's wet) w/no seams or patterns except for the eyes. Didn't know how the big white chest spider would play until I saw the fan art. As long as they kept it around the same size he has it in the revision (I'm guessing here that it's around 20% to 30% smaller here than in the comics, which I think is a great decision in translating it to real life). Also a good move to not wrap the legs of the white spider around to the back, which practically forces you to also repeat the pattern on the back. Like the way he's tapered it off here. Oh is what it is. I feel like I could complain about the Sony version if I felt like bein an ass that day, but even in a good mood I don't think it's super creative to just take the existing suit & ajust the saturation bar. Just passes to much on doing somethin totally new that could be really cool...even though the Spiday r&b suit is already a great design itself. Although a lot of potential coolness remains to be I shouldn't rush to judge. It does really do the job it's supposed to do. It's teasin the hell out of me using this version. Doesn't give you enough info, so my imagination is runnin wild w/possibilities. -The Poop (Isispop's Daddy)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    how many photoshop hours did that take?

    by ashhole

    clone stamping for freakin ever. ugh. if that doesn't tell sony how badly people want this thing to be right (and the silver web crap was totally wrong), then nothing will. if there is to be a black suit spidey in this one, lose all the excess crap, even the hexagonal background of the fabric. make it pure black with the bigass wraparound white spider, even the fanart doesn't go far enough for me.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    sony: the fan art is superior!

    by Colonel_Blimp

    it's actually even cooler than the comics version of the black suit.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    When the venom suit was attached to peter....

    by W3bzpinn3r

    it was no different than spandex, as far as feel goes. It wasn't organic feeling. Spidey just thought it was an alien technology, not a life form. It wasn't until the Puma smelled the webbing fired by the suit and was surprised it was organic that Spider-man first got the hibbie-jibbies about the suit. After the symbiote bonded with Venom, and was adapted by Brock to use parts of its body as psuedopods, and to form the big ugly mouth and tongue, did the symbiote start to look more organic... But only the Carnage and Toxin symbiotes look totally organic, with their constant flow and writhing psuedopods. Having read EVERY symbiote suit story (even the What-if Punisher with symbiote) both good and bad, I still think the Ultimate version of Venom will be the one they go with for the movie. It fits in more with Spider-man mythos. Spidey's enemies are all science experiments gone wrong, like himself.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    you guys have got it all wrong...

    by bullumhead

    it aint venom your seeing in that picture, and it aint spider-man either. it's THE CHAMELEON!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    wtf is goin on

    by Spacesheik

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    For the love of all that is holy, use the fan made suit

    by Farty McFart

    Are you listening SONY ?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    I agree, that re-touch is fucking awesome!

    by -=Shin=-

    I'd go with the the classic black suit design over the re-color of the red and blue any day.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:54 a.m. CST

    like a few of u, registered just to comment

    by iconboy

    on the kickassness of the shopped costume. I think the symbiote, will be hard to do anyway you look at it. What do u guys think of having the raised webbing in the black suit, less raised and gone from certain spots so that the raised webbing looks like semi raised veins and such?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Cerebud

    Making the black costume look like it did in the comics would have been the better route to go. That picture is total fan boy awesomeness. That's the LAST WORD my brotha.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST

    a spider with a spider

    by seekshelter

    i always wondered why spider man would have a picture of a spider on his chest. whats the point of that? to clear up any confusion of what they might be? that would be such a stupid thing to do. especially if you are fighting a new bad guy. they'll see the spider and think, 'oh, this guy has spider abilities'. then your technics are instantly knocked back if they have spider handling tactics. why not put a picture of a 'man' on his chest?? oh well, thats just me...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The White Logo = Black Suit

    by BKJ

    You can't have "Slack Suit Spiderman" without that white spider logo. Otherwise it just looks like a crappy party knock off. Hopefully Sony will listen. But I'm doubtful. Kudos on the reworking, that looks GREAT.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Blackest Spider Man - Wesley Snipes

    by RonaldLark

    I heard Snipes got the lead role for Spider Man 4. I bet you super hero geeks will go crazy for that.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    I'm sure Sony and Sam Raimi will change the suit now!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Just like they changed the Green Goblin suit when the fanboys told them how much that one sucked. Oh, wait...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Does anyone know where i can buy that fan poster?

    by loveyougol

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    I know, and the game was lackluster as hell. Dumbed down combat and not enough varied side missions from the previous game. Zero unlockables worth playing for, besides Venom. But his rampaging, sucks compared to Hulk:Ultimate Destrucxtion. Worst of all, it could be beaten in less than 7 hrs! Sure the cut scenes were good, and the graphics had that cool comic book look to them, but when you step back and look at it, all it ended up being was a polished turd. And btw, within just a few months, the sucker sold for half price. If you want a kickass Spidey game, check out Neversoft's PS-1 title. Also available for N64, and DC.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg


  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Venom vs. Spiderman

    by w_woody

    Just to kind of point out the obvious...we have no idea about when and where this suit will be used in the film. So, it may have needed to be different then venom's so that it wouldn't appear as if Spider-man was fighting order to more differenciate the characters costumes...although in the fan's mind ol' spidey wouldn't fight venom until after the seperation and the reversal to the ol' blue and red. Although...who knows. I'm okay with the new one...I really love the fan one...but I trust Rami to make a solid flick...lets hope it works out. BTW I thought the goblin outfit wasn't that great although I see where they were going with it. I just feel they fell a bit short.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    that photo

    by ClarkK82

    Is what i've dreamed about seeing on the big screen since I was a little kid, beautiful

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Sony and Raimi....MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

    by Aphex Twin

    'nuf said

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST

    That's what I'm talking about!

    by Eleggua

    I think the sleakness and simplicity of the comic book version of the black suit would work really well on screen. I have no idea why someone would change it. I don't like that grey Spider-Armor suit they've got on the poster althougt the mood and pose is spot on.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST

    That's what I'm talking about!

    by Eleggua

    I think the sleakness and simplicity of the comic book version of the black suit would work really well on screen. I have no idea why someone would change it. I don't like that grey Spider-Armor suit they've got on the poster althougt the mood and pose is spot on.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    The reality

    by Dr. PhibesL.A.

    "Yes, please, Sony...stop EVERYTHING you're doing. Put a halt to principal photography. Can the thousands, no, MILLIONS you may have put into pre-production just so you can CHANGE THE COSTUME." Let's get realistic, folks.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Leave it to the fans to get it right.

    by BANE

    Now the fan art has it right!!!! The reason the black suit works so well is that it mixes the black and white Spider logo well on Spidey. The "official" suit looks like somebody spray-painted a regular costume black. Even if scenes have already been shot with the official suit, with modern editing and CG......they could easily air brush in the white Spidey emblem and remove the rasied webbing.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    What I'm expecting

    by Dex350z

    If this is the black costume, I'm expecting it to go through several "stages of evolution" which represents dominance... the symbiote shown as a "b/w classic spidey costume" representing Peter's dominance over the symbiote, then the costume starts changing (or evolving) as the symbiote becomes more self aware and gains more control until it reaches the "white spider" costume, where the symbiote is fully self-aware and holds more ground over Peter at this point Pete realizes that the symbiote is trying to make him it's bitch and ditches it. Think of it as a tug of war between the Symbiote and Peter, where the score (who is winning) is displayed by the costume. Another thing is that I'm not really to happy with the idea that Venom+Sandman will both be in this movie since it wouldn't allow for character depth in the film. For those of you who aren't happy with Topher being cast as Venom pick up Ultimate Spiderman where Eddie Brock is depicted in a way that matches Tophers description and also the Ultimate Venom's origin would be more believable than the original origin, but altered a bit: Let's say this venom's origin would be the cultivation of a substance found in rock particles brought back from the moon (or a passing comet) by John Jameson, which "eat away" at cancerous cells (like those maggots used to eat dead tissue in ripley's believe it or not) Sandman catches wind of this substance and seeks Harry Osburne out, Harry explains that lack of funds (remember he almost went bankrupt funding doc ock) has his project at a standstill ('The suit latches on to the host, and doesn't release it') so they need to find a way to remove the host. Sandman goes on a crimespree for Harry so that he can finish The Suit and cure Sandmans daughter who is dying from leucemia (or something) Spidey follows Sandman to Oscorp, battles Sandman and gets knocked through a containment chaimber with some "symbiote" sample...the spidey suit is now "stained" with the symbiote, the symbiote spreads onto the suit till it's B/W and starts taking spidey out for a joy ride consuming people while Peter is asleep...the suit then starts "evolving" like i explained above learns to think for itself speak, etc. spidey tries to get rid of it and winds up near a cathedral with Sandman where the bells start ringing the suit can't stand the noise so it ditches peter, topher is below taking pictures and gets showered with the symbiote, Sandman and Pete (who would be in undies) relize it can't stand loud noises so they take sandman's daughter and bathe her in symbiote and then apply high frequency sounds to get the symbiote to release her cured....all is well and everyone is happy but then suddenly VENOM takes a bite out of Sandman and kills him, spidey goes out to fight him atop of Empire State building (oscorp HQ)...To Be Continued in Part 4.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    definitely the all black version.

    by calami-shami

    i posted in the other talkback that i like the suit in the poster but wholly shit the all black version is PERFECT. That brick design makes it look so alien and kind of creepy which is just how spider-man acted when he donned the suit for the first time. SONY, RAIMI LISTEN UP!! USE THE ALL BLACK VERSION ABOVE, LISTEN TO THE FANS AS YOU HAVE BEEN DOING! DONT STOP NOW!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    dex's storyline

    by BANE

    only problem is that Topher and Tobey probably won't be in SM 4....neither will most of the Spidey cast, Cliffhanger ending probably won't work. Plus, more than likely we'll see harry as GG2 or Hobgoblin at some point in 3......and we got to have a whole backstory with Sandman gaining powers, etc. etc. I really wish they would make just a Venom story only a Venom story. That's more than enough material to make 1 film.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You're All Complete Suckers And Raimi Is Laughing

    by ZeroCorpse

    Once again- It's not a "suit" but a "costume" or even "uniform" that Spidey wears when he's out web-swinging. The front page of the teaser says "Spider-Man wears a black SUIT in Spider-Man 3" and you're just not getting that the advertisements for a superhero movie would not use "suit" so loosely, like you people are in here. They would say "COSTUME." So why the choice of the word "suit" when they had other, more accurate options? Because they're fucking with your head. Spider-Man WILL wear a black suit- TO A FUNERAL. A black three-piece suit. Look at the pose: HE'S MOURNING. Look at the wording: They never once say "costume." Look at the painting on the poster (and it is a PAINTING, not a photograph) and you'll realize the color choice is setting a mood, not accurately portraying how he looks. Look at the wording "You may think you're looking at a black and white photo." (but you're not. You're looking at a black & white PAINTING.) You're all complete suckers who obviously can't grasp subtext without having someone beat it to death, point it out, and stick your noses in it while yelling "No!" THIS IS NOT VENOM! This is not the symbiote. This is just Sam Raimi watching you all and laughing at your insane obsession with Venom, a character who is basically the T-1000 wearing Spider-Woman II's costume. The Topher Grace villain will be Electro, or possibly Chameleon. They're setting you up and you're falling for it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Yes, the fan art suit is better.

    by DarthCorleone

    Just one more opinion.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST


    by gravitasone

    Bye Dennis Weaver, I will never forget McCloud.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Raised Webbing= NO, White Spider Logo= YES!

    by SithScorp

    'nuff said... Don't stick with the raised webbing just because it has been there in the firt two films...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    thing of beauty

    by AwesomeBillFunk

    Why sony why?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    dex's storyline 2

    by Dex350z

    your right about the cliffhanger ending it won't work so i think but i'd like for venom to make a comeback in future films (with a new host). How I would do Sandman's origin would be (this has been done before but I can't think of anything better) is Sandman having nightmares (the nightmares would serve as an explanation to the audience) of how he survived a meltdown blast while he was lounging on a beach (3 mile island would be perfect for this) after escaping from prison (some prison near 3 mile island) since we all know this is BS (and you would only belive this back in the 60's) that it isn't posible to survive this sort of thing so toss in Captain America's super serum to heal his irradiated + badly burned and glass impailed body (since sand turns to glass at extremely high temps) since he managed to survive being irradiated (even if he's dying) SHIELDS says F*ck it and injects the serum into him to see what happens..., not only does the Super Serum heal him it allows him to dissentigrate his body into sand particles and reintegrate it at will, creating S.H.I.E.L.D's newest Super Soldier to join MAVERICK lead by Silver Sable (old school origin new school twist...) then he escapes captivity and is being hunted down by S.H.I.E.L.D. These nightmares would divide his origins in various parts and be scattered throughout the film... ...I see integrating both Venom and Sandman into the storyline of Spiderman 3 as a REAL I think it would be best if Venom is introduced in this film and explored more in depth in future films...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Why would spider man have a big old white spider on the

    by smackfu

    front of his suit if the costume if the symbiaote is supposed to mimic his clothing." The same reason as in the comics - the symbiote reads his mind and because whatever he wants it to become. It turns into his clothes when he wants to wear cloths, and it turns into black PJs with a white spider on it's chest because that's what peter wanted to look like. The same reason it got a gaping evil grin full of teeth when it went to brock, because it combines itself with the aesthetic desires of it's host. Lets not forget that these are MOVIES BASED ON COMICS. Why should the symbiote turn spiderman into a badass looking spider ninja? The same reason Green Goblin rides a glider, and the same reason Dr Octopus has metal arms. Because it's integral to the lore of the goddamned comic. I can't make it any simpler than that.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    This is the Sony Spider-man, not the Marvel one.

    by Darksider

    Your're lucky it's changing at all. The black costume is one of the best in comic history, so that means we won't see it. The average moviegoer won't understand and/or care that much anyway. Otherwise they would have said something about how off the red and blue costume is.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    ZeroCorpse, this could be the scam of the century...

    by Sherman_Lives

    ...if you're right. From everything going back to Kirsten's "accidental" leak that TG is Venom, to all the subtle clues you mention in your post. The chameleon idea has one main thing going for it: both of Spidey's previous villains have been old-school (Green Goblin: Issue 14, Dr. Octopus: Issue 3). Potential future villains like Curt Connors/The Lizard(Issue 6), too. Even Sandman is a Silver-Age villain (Issue 4). You can't get more old-school than Chameleon (Issue ONE!). Hopefully the rumor that Bruce Campbell is playing Quentin Beck (Mysterio, Issue 13) will turn out true. God Bless Wikipedia.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by misnomer

    bear in mind, not everyone who goes to see a spiderman film is into the comics. 800 million dollars worldwide. its phrased that spiderman IS wearing a black suit. not will be. the way the mock up is done, why would the "bugle" know that parker is spiderman and wearing a black suit to a funeral? your argument doesnt make any sense. its clearly aimed at making ppl aware (the average joe)that spiderman is going to wear a black costume. not many ppl know that spiderman wore black for a while....the only reason I know is thru a cartoon that used to run on british satellite when I was a kid-ive never bought a comic in my life-most ppl havent,hence....its just marketing-nothing more and certainly not a conspiracy to laugh at the fanbase that is going to ensure his films success. they wouldnt allow it...if its from the official site, the chances are it's straight up legit.....

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Instead of silver raised webbing

    by superninja

    why not just use something darker/black that reflects light?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST

    While we're doing costume suggestions

    by superninja

    can Green Goblin, Jr. please wear a rubber Halloween mask? The Power Ranger suit as military armor doesn't cut the mustard. Besides, Harry doesn't know the history of the costume, so he's free to modify it as his personal level of insanity allows. It would differentiate the two Goblins! You know I'm right...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3 p.m. CST

    Do you guys REALLY think they'll change it? DREAM ON

    by aceattorney

    It's on ALL the promotional materials now...they've probably spent a ton on designing and marketing it. You think they're going to change it now? You're outta your fracking minds.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    If Venom is in this, I won't be seeing it AT ALL.

    by Snuffles

    I got my Spidey nostalgia fix from the first one, got tricked into seeing the second one, but the introduction of the Black Suit was the beginning of the reason I finally stopped reading Spider Man (and I loved the damn comic). I didn't have a lot of cash to spend on comics, so it was a big deal for me to subscribe to "Amazing Spider Man". Then they got greedy, and wanted me to buy "Secret Wars" to find out how he got his black suit (I bought one, but the story sucked, and I never did find out how he got it... I didn't like feeling ripped off). "Secret Wars" was only the beginning, though, because they started splitting the stories between "Amazing Spider-Man" and the new "Spectacular Spider-Man", and I think there was a third, but I just let my subscription run out on "Amazing" at that point, my last coherent memory being of Spidey running into a lame Pumpkin Headed villain who had got hold of Green-Goblin weaponry and bounced around on a super-pogo stick. I watched sadly from afar as that stupid Black Suit that, for me, started all the trouble, morphed into a steroidal hyper-alien thing on the covers, ushering in a new generation of WWF influenced Spidey fans. Venom sucks. Venom fans suck. DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! Oh, and Spidey should have married the Black Cat, and kicked Mary jane in her conceited keister.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Exactly Aceattorney

    by clockpolitiks

    Why would they change this stage of production. Havent they already started filming? I have faith in Raimi. Spider-man 1 and 2 were both great, so I have no doubt this one will be great as well.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    -> Instead of silver raised webbing

    by Dex350z

    yeah, black chrome webbing would be great on that costume since it would look more veiny and alien... also i think Harry Osbourne should be Hobgoblin with the cape hood, and halloween mask with fire coming out of the mouth and stuff, like in the ultimate storyline, having GG make a come back doesn't really apeal to me I'd like to se a fresh villain...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Maybe that's just how the suit looks on Spidey.

    by Darksider

    Venom on the other hand...

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I GUARANTEE all you whiners will watch it anyway...

    by aceattorney

    ...and you'll eat it up faster than Harry eats a case of twinkies.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    What's the Big Deal?

    by Magunga

    It's a suit. It's not going to make or break the movie. That's it. This isn't news. This is a major waste of time. I'll just patiently wait for Raimi to knock a juicier tidbit of his plate before I get excited.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    The black suit was always lame.

    by austenandrews

    The Big White Spider looked terrible way back when. It looks just as bad now.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    This suit vs. comic suit

    by PoxyVonSinister

    Who's to say that we won't get the classic black suit -- once the symbiote gets on Eddie Brock? The symbiote retains the look of the red/blue suit because Parker is still inherently good, and doesn't completely give himself over. Brock embraces it completely. So you could have Parker in the black version of his costume while Venom is in the all-black/white spider version, like a shadow version of Spidey (which is what he is). It would work visually and thematically.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST

    What a crock of shit.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    Don't give up your day job Don Knotts, or should I say................ Wil Wheaton.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately, by the time the studios release...

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    official costume pics, it's too late for change. Witness the X-Men suit flak (though they worked well in the movie), Green Goblin, Daredevil, FF, Batman Begins (worst suit of all the batfilms, nipple-suit included), and the latest swimsuit marble-bag trunks and T-Shirt collar superman outfit. Not to mention, the people behind the flick would never change their design based on fan input as it would imply the fans know better. As has been mentioned here by others, they also spend a load of design and promo money on the suits (not to mention they've proabably started filming with it), so however cool the fan mock-up is (and I agree it is way cool), it's just wishful thinking to assume they'll change anything. It also won't change whether the movie will suck or be fantastic. I really, really hated the batsuit from Begins when I saw the first publicity releases and my opinion hasn't changed since I've seen the movie (twice now). This is despite "the way it was shot" or seeing it "in the proper lighting", which seems to be something the studios say when everyone bitches about a costume design. That said, it's still a pretty friggin awesome movie and the best Batflick to date (though the Keaton one had better lines and was more fun). The only movie super-hero costumes that I feel were 100% nailed were Chris Reeve's suit in the first Superman and the first release of the Spidey suit for the first flick. I never really thought they would even use a black suit, but I actually like the studio version (even if it's just the same suit dyed black) and won't keep me from watching the movie. Would've liked to have seen the traditional black suit though and kudos to the photoshopper for a great mod.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Could it be possible...

    by skycrapper

    that we'll get both versions of the suit? In that the costume morphs in to the classic version the more it starts to take hold of Parker. Maybe the one we're looking at in the offical version is what it looks like when it first comes into contact with him. Because after all the suit can change into any kind of clothing right? Also the Q and A, that was asked to be removed, stated that the symbiote "posseses" his original suit. I don't know just a theroy. I like the white spider but wasn't it stolen from the Spider Woman costume in Secret Wars? Always thought that was a cop out. Like the classic Red and Blues better.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The fan suit IS better, but...

    by Novaman5000

    Really, it would be kind of ridiculous if spidey's suit totally changed just because he was infected with the symbiote. Since when does a parasite come with it's own logo? (Though,don't lynch me, I'm not really familiar with how it works in the comics) And it might work well in comics, but it'd be a little goofy in the film, I think.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST


    by Novaman5000

    Can you imagine if the suit had no texture in the movie?! It'd look like some jerk in spandex, not unlike any of the knock off spidey costumes you can buy at a halloween store. The webbing and texture makes it look far more professional, I think.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    a solid black suit is hard to fucking read.

    by HypeEndsHere

    unless spider-man fights crime exclusively in well-lit areas.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Official Pic may not be the one we are getting

    by careyleefisher

    The fan art looks much better than the official pic. I was deeple disappointed when Sony released that pic of the classic costume simply changed to black. I thought it lacked imagination and was extremely boring. But, then I started to think that maybe they just decided to go with that pic to only forshadow what we were really going to get. Perhaps, Sony's thinking is that when people see the teaser poster for "Spider-Man 3" they need to immediately identify it as Spider-Man. I really am not sure that people who are unfamiliar with the comics would have recognized it as Spider-Man if they had used the faithful black costume. As a movie theater manager, I can tell you that a lot of people who are not comic book fans do not recognize vague teaser posters for comic book films. Many of our customers who know nothing abuot comic books at all were confused about "The Hulk" and the first "X-Men" posters. They thought "The Hulk" was simply a new version of the Bill Bixby tv show and they had no idea what to make of the simple X logo for "X-Men". The reality is there are a lot of people who are not that involved with the comics but love the movies. Give them the classic costume for the teaser poster and then pull a bait and switch on them in the movie and reveal the true black costume when the movie opens. Sounds like sound marketing to me. Anyone remember that in the early trailers for the first "Spider-Man" that they used the classic costume in scenes which later turned out to be the wrestling costume as he pursues Uncle Ben's killer? Sony felt showing the wrestling costume in the trailer would make people believe the movie version of the costume would look bad and cause bad buzz. Let's face it people, not everyone is a die hard comic book fan and may not recognize the black costume as Spider-Man but the comic book fans will certainly make the connection. Sony may have just killed 2 birds with 1 stone with this teaser poster.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST


    by sevadro

    The Fan Art Suit is friggin' hardcore. It really is the closest realization of the Spidey suit, nuch better than the red one. And it looks so fuckin' badass. Who is the asshole that went with the raised webbing? Change it black! Change it black!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I hope they include the Mary Jane aspect

    by skycrapper

    In that she was deathly afraid of the Black Suit because Venom scares the shit out of her. That was one of the all time great introductions of a villian in the comics, realy creepy. In the comics she didn't even want to see him in the regular black "non-symbiote" costume. That's what makes him switch back to the red and blues.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    i agree with the guy a few posts above...

    by slappy jones

    it needs raised webbing or it is just a guy in black spandex and on the big screen would look fucking boring.....

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    The Eyes Have It!

    by McFlyWalker

    After the "glimpses" put in the first ROTS poster, it does look like there may be a glimpse of Venom in Spidey's eye in the original! Anyone else pick up on that??

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Since when was Venom confirmed anyway?

    by Lone Fox

    Fact is, if they use a suit like the fan art above, they have to do the Secret Wars storyline to explain why the black suit looks like that (based on Spider-woman's 80's outfit). And they can't do that. Ultimate Venom doesn't even have the white spider. That suit just wouldn't make any sense in the film continuity.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:56 p.m. CST

    the black costume

    by cerebulon

    My thoughts are thus: what is the big deal with the black costume? I mean, anyone can take a normal color spidey image into photoshop, set it to grayscale and mess with the levels a bit to produce the image above. Big Deal. So what? I care more about the story. Taking a can of black spray paint to a costume is nothing to get one's panties in a twist.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 6:57 p.m. CST

    black suit = awesome

    by Claudio

    sony, sammy, change it.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:23 p.m. CST

    that looks awesome

    by robotdevil

    hats off to whomever did that. i hope Raimi sees it. I'm still not sure Venom is in this movie, but is he is, that's how he should look!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Why I think the official suit is the way it is.

    by UltimaRex

    Sam Raimi once stated that he does not like Venom. When he was asked/told to do Venom he might of remembered the old 70's/80's Spider-man live TV show that had two Spideys fighting for some reason (I was 5 or 6 when I saw it) and brought that to the table. That could be why the official suit is the way it is. It is supposed to be a carbon copy in black and white (silver?)

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Man In Suit!

    by Jonas Grumpy

    "Recognition concerns" didn't seem to matter to the toy company that made those SECRET WARS toys 20+ years ago. The story goes that Big Jim Shooter promised they could make a toy of "the new Spidey costume." Only then did he come up with a storyline about Spidey getting one. Or so I've read. Debunkers, fire away!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:46 p.m. CST

    everyone freaked about organic web shooters...

    by mocky_puppet

    ...but it turns out it works nice and makes sense. So does a regular Spidey suit, just covered in black symbiote. Like the guy up above said, what alien symbiote comes with its own logo? Works in comics because suspension of belief is much higher. Movies need a little more logic.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    How it works into the movie (the white spider logo)

    by Kraken

    maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but during the first movie costume design montage, doesn't that logo show up as one of Peter's designs?? So he has that logo in his head. Maybe Peter thought it looked a little too evil so he didn't use it. So when the symbiote merges with Peter, it taps into that part of his brain and redesigns the suit with that logo because deep down Peter wants to strike a little more fear into his enemies. So, there ya go, that's how the symbiote knows to use the white spider logo in the movie version.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Let It Go!

    by NeoAngelus

    Jesus Christ. There's a reason Sam Raimi is doing these movies and you lot aren't. Let it go and stop biotching about how the costume doesn't look like it does in the comic. We don't even know the story yet. Just admire the image for what it is, a very well done, moody image. And fuck off.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Sam raimi and venom

    by The_Comedian

    For the record: I don't believe Sam Raimi has ever said he disliked Venom, just that he didn't understand his motivation as a villain and his hatred for Spiderman. It's very possible that he has since had it explained to him or he came up with his own wBill ay to make the character interesting, similar to Brian Bendis, who said he'd never have Venom in the USM book as long as he wrote it, but was convinced otherwise by Bill Jemas and approached the character in a different way.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Umm... NeoAngelus

    by Kraken

    You do know that you're visiting a geek web-site right? I'm glad you've let us all know how "above it" all YOU are. But we're geeks here, we care about these things. You can call it sad all you want, but I'm sure a lot of people can look at the things you're passionate about and say the same thing. So... why don't you go back to browsing and stop telling other people to fuck off of a website that is about discussions about these very kinds of things. End of line.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by Shaw

    Sorry Smokey, you were over the line.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Some Black suit info for the ignorant

    by fAbs The Fan suit is better: but Sony won't change it. If they do, they should also: 1. Get rid of Dunst; M-J is suppose to be HOT. 2. Find an excuse to have pete invent Web catridges. 3. Introduce the black outfit in this movie, but don't introduce venom until a later movie. 4. Bring Doc Oc back to life; He's an arch villain! They are not meant to die. 5. STOP KILLING ARCH SPIDEYS ARCH ENEMIES!!! - THEY ARE MEANT TO BE REOCCURING! 6. DO a George Lucas and Release a special version of the DVD in which spidey's web slingers are NOT organic. Of course; None of this is going to happen. But if they keep killing off villains then the franchise will not continue forever. I can't wait for the day that they scrap this movie franchise and start over again by hiring someone like Nolan to do it properly.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Please add the white logo!

    by darwinmayflower

    It adds so much character, to the uh, character. It needs to be there.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST

    An Easy Out

    by ahthesuffering

    I thought the official costume simply looked cheap. An easy out and an unexpensive way to make a black version of Spidey. The fan art is a much better take on it, period. I could definantly see that suit working in the movie. The white spider across the front and back with silver trim. Now hard would that be Sony?

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Yes, THATS IT! I wasn't looking for something, I actually came across it when I was making a mirrored image of the fan-made and original image for a desktop background. I noticed the teeth, then looked at it a bit more, flipped it and Walah! Seriousley, why would I spend all my time looking for something, in a film, that I really ain't all that excited about. Power of the Dark Crystal is the only movie for me next year. Now, back to the teaser image......THERES A GAWD DAMN FACE IN THE CLOUDS!!!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by Shermdawg

    the teeth are a dead giveaway that theres something there. Hey Sam, if I'm right, how about giving me a "No Prize" in the closing credits for spotting this. Or better yet, just make a new fucking Evil Dead movie. Thank you.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Harry, Quint, whoever, you know I'm onto something.

    by Shermdawg

    And while we are on the subject of hidden images. I still say its Venom in the eye, but I think it may be a trick reflection to throw you off, the real hidden image is in the clouds. And you'd be crazy to think that Sam would release a teaser this early without sticking some hidden secrets in it. I just happened to stumble on one of those secrets.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST


    by max sterling

    the whole symbiote storyline is a waste of time and just doesn't translate well into a movie. this might as well be spawn 3. what they should do is have venom have exactly the same origin as spider-man. how you say? the radioactive spider just disappeared after making the bite in the first movie right? wrong. enter venom, the twisted version of spider-man, not because of the suit but because of the person. the black suit is just the personification of the difference of mocking great power=great responsibility, the anti-spiderman. plenty of ways to go with this story without any crappy symbiote.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Wow... that is it right there... perfect

    by Schmiggy JK

    Sony, pay fucking attention. You owe the moviegoers, and dvd buyers, who have supported this franchise, and to make up for that horrid Goblin costume. Make mine marvel!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Wow... that is it right there... perfect

    by Schmiggy JK

    Sony, pay fucking attention. You owe the moviegoers, and dvd buyers, who have supported this franchise, and to make up for that horrid Goblin costume. Make mine marvel!

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Looks cool either way

    by Satyrgreen

    The Black is all that matters.

  • Feb. 27, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    realisim in Spiderman 3

    by Don_Knotts

    You kids saying that the official Spiderman 3 black costume is more realistic have a point. But, this is a movie with a kid that has "spider" powers which are completely ill logical and unrealistic, presumably has the Sandman and Venom, both charatcers that are about as far from realisim as you can get, and so forth. I don't think anyone watching Spiderman 3 would but into all the rest of the ridiculous mythos and suddenly see the 80's black suit in the film adn walk out because "it got too unrealistic", and I don;t think Sont is worried about that either. I think Sony went the way they did not for realisim, but because they though that their idea would be more visually appealing. Thing is, I doubt they did a real test audinece first to see if their idea was likable. They need a non-biased, non "getting paid to make sure this movie makes money" audience. I believe that you, the people of Aint it cool news, are that audience. And you have spoken. This movie is not to be released for over a year. I bet they could change the souit to one like the original 80's comic and not stand to lose much money. Big budget films have changed actors, composers, even directors(exorcist prequel) very close to the films release date maybe hundreds of times, with out greatly effecting the release of the movie. Surely, Sam Raimi and Sony could make a minor change in their costume design if they so chose. I doubt they will. But they could

  • Feb. 28, 2006, midnight CST

    by Dex350z

    You are telling me you would bare to see something like this in SM3?! i think not! the 80's were the 80's the Venom costume is in need for a serious overhaul it way too basic, and the more I think about it the more the "Anti-Spiderman suit" idea appeals to me, the venom suit is said to already be in production according to one of the make-up supervisors in charge of making the tendrils for it (tendrils?!) i'd like to see the classic version but that doesn't mean I wouldn't accept a newer style. The GG costume was ungodly horrible even for Power Ranger standards, but they managed to redeem themselves with the Doc Ock suit in SM2 which I thought was pretty bad-ass so Raimi has my blessing to do whatever he wishes with the Venom costume. I bet the recognizability factor played into the design since it would be harder for fans unfamiliar with the "symbiote suit" to recognize spiderman in the black and white suit...

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Those dumbfucks over at SuperHeroHype closed my thread!

    by Shermdawg LOOK AT IT PEOPLE!!! IT'S A FREAKIN' FACE!!!

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Better Eyes for Spiderman

    by GrantMichael

    I changed the eyes to make them look more organic: Sorta more like Spawn. Otherwise I love the new version and I always hated the other suit because it seemed way too intricate and designerly for Peter to make himself.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Holy Shiznit!!!

    by Dex350z

    They'd have to rate SM3 "R" if Venom looked like this, very clever indeed I got chills when I saw this:

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST

    by Shermdawg

    I guess I have to point it out for ya!

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    You mean fucktard, not fucktards. misnomer cleared his name when he said it could be a coincidence. So I am the only person maintaining that its there. Whether it is intended or not, there is one. Now I know how people who see Aliens feel. lol

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 1:32 a.m. CST

    New costume is WAY better

    by Bobquest3

    I know it's just a photshop, but that adjusted costume looks a lot better.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 2:59 a.m. CST

    using "whomever" does not make you seem smart

    by Sayhey Kid

    ...especially when you use it incorrectly. People keep using it in the subjective case (where "whoever" should be). Quit trying to feign intelligence.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Speed Fricassee-my bad

    by misnomer

    I'm so used to working in ai that I forget some people actually use the pen tool in psd. If youre being pedantic what I meant by "vector" was that it had a crisp edge and not brushed. Of course anything brought into psd is pixels/bmp. You happy now you fuck?! ; )

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Count Me Amongst Those...

    by Playhouse

    ...that prefer the new "official" suit. For the movie world, it just makes more sense that the costume would come out like that. Someone mentioned it above but I'm also pretty sure that they will give Venom - should he (or is it they?) officially appear - a different look from the black suit Spider-Man to distinguish the two in the film. Venom's look will be more traditional of the character in the comics.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST

    shermdawg,I wouldn't even bother.....

    by misnomer

    the only thing about these tb's is that everyones got such a low self-esteem.geek this and geek that.we all like movies-it's as simple as that. some of us on here arent vindictive losers and actually have healthy relationships with women and some of us are bagtatta. theres a whole world out there waiting for you kevin, all you gotta do is play nice and learn to love yourself and others ; ) Oh and as for the face, I was very sceptical until I saw it-although shermdawg..the face I saw isnt with the posters turned upside down...only just mirrored-slap bang in the middle.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST


    by misnomer

    read more of your posts..... youre alright man *hugs* : D

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST


    by Babba-Booey


  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Pet Peeve #208

    by Ribbons

    "Realizm OMG you dorkss talking about ralism ralize tis is a movie with spider-men and sandmen right LOL?!" So what is that supposed to mean, that stuff could and should just randomly happen because it's not actually realistic? Maybe a pig can fly across the sky while Larry David and Tobey Maguire are fighting one another. Why not? Maybe Spidey can serenade Sandman with "Mr. Sandman, bring me a dream...." while he's getting the crap beat out of him. Maybe the hypothetical symbiote can pop those pesky raised webs off of Peter's costume and give it an extreme makeover!!! Who cares if it's real, it's cool LOL!!! Ugh.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST

    black as night suit, dead white eyes and logo

    by mr suave

    very very simple, yes. but given proper direction, the effect it wil hav on screen wil be beyond what the official suit can ever accomplish. the main reason being that the eyes have more impact and the logo is just awesome. the rest of the costume, while being nothing but black material, compliments a deep and complex character in turmoil. just perfect. sigh, too bad itll never be.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST

    Black suit will suck without SECRET WARS film...

    by Monkey_King

    Is suck-ass Bendis writing this? Sandman? Ok, great! Gwen Stacy? Uh, Okay. Shoulda been in the first film, but how's this reversa gonna work? Venom? I still don't believe Raimi & Co. would cave to rabid fanboy demands(or Sony's continuity plagued ideas). Vulture would have been better with Wayne Pygram in the lead.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Spiderman in Mourning!!!! Here's Why...

    by BeeRock

    It seems very obvious that the tone of this photo with Spidey with his head down in the rain... is showing him in mourning. With Gwen Stacy around, Mary Jane must die early in the film, prompting a horribly depressed Spidey to dye his own suit black. It makes sense for the film AND gives a nod to the black suit without having to introduce alien stuff and Venom, which we all know Raimi is against.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Realisim in SPiderman 3 cont.

    by Don_Knotts

    All I'm saying in, there is really no difference in level of believablility for the symbiote suit, which has no realation to anything in reality, to look like Spiderman's original suit but black, or like the comic's suit. Additionally, for Venom to have any symbolic weight as the "evil" spiderman, he has to wear the exact same suit as Spiderman. That all the character is, reflection of what Spiderman could be if he abused his power. So, if Vemon wears the white spider on his chest, so should Spiderman. People may mix the two up, but only if they don't make Venom much bigger than Spiderman, which again, needs to be done for the character to mean anything. Maybe Venom will be redisigned as well adn be like Brendle fly or something. I suppose that would be a more "realistic" way to symbolize a man with insect powers turning evil. I general, picking and choosing when to try to please comics fans and when to please movie fans is a terrible idea, and it's sad to think that's what Sam RAimi is doing. He got where he is today by being original, by trying to please no one but his friends and himself in the choices he makes in his films. I know some family of DAnny Elfman, and they told me that Danny Elfman, thinks Sam RAimi has really changed since he started the Spiderman movies, that he is actually less secure now in following his own creative instincts, that he is so afraid that he will screw up a Spiderman film that he is boarderline puppet to the studio, that he doesn't even consider making other films, that he's to scared to go with anything that might ruin his chances for being THE Spiderman director. That's understandable, but sad.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi


  • Feb. 28, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST


    by fAbs

    If spidey painted his outfit BLACK because someone died then I am going to hurl a bottle of something at the screen in the movie theatre. Now that that's out of the way, I agree with Don_knotts: The Venom suit should essentially be the Black spidey outfit, with a Big scary mouth and tongue. And using a less-cool suit in an attempt to make it more REALISTIC makes no sense when there is an alien symbiote running around. Oh and as for Sam Raimi being afraid: GOOD! Call my a whiney fanboy, but you've done the franchise irreparable damage by making his web shooters organic and by killing off Doc Ock. If Venom turns out to be another failed science experiment (like the last two movies) instead of an Alien, then Sam Raimi deserves be beaten up by a horde of crazed fanboys. ..... oh well, at least the (new) batman and superman franchises are going well. And x-men WAS before BRATNER.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Oh really?

    by Ribbons

    And you'd say that Raimi sucks now because he tries too hard to please comic book fans.... which is why he should listen to everyone on AICN and go against his instincts and rehaul the entire "black suit" design that's already been effectively put into production and make Spidey's suit more like it was in the comic book? And that makes sense somehow? Okay, just making sure.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Ummm.... it's a black and white pic

    by stupidfathobbits

    What the hell is wrong with you people? They aren't about to introduce aliens into the storyline. It's not chicken little!

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 10 a.m. CST

    Aren't there TWO black suits In Spidey 3?

    by Frankenblogger

    Look. Logically there will be two versions of the black suit in Spidey 3. One for Parker. One for Brock. Whose to say that Brock's won't look more like the photoshopped version? Then again, maybe it won't. And is that such a big deal? I think Sony's teaser looks great and I'm down with the suit Spidey's pimpin. You fan geeks need to fucking chill. Raimi has MORE than proven himself with this series. And I for one go for the story, not the fashion.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    "done the franchise irreparable damage"

    by skynetbauxi

    fAbs, what the FUCK are talking about?? Raimi STARTED the franchise, so how can he DAMAGE it?? it's HIS FUCKING FRANCHISE!! he's not like Joel Schumacher who did incredible damage to the BATMAN franchise, which was startet by Tim Burton. the (current) SPIDER-MAN franchise is simply Sam Raimi's "interpretation" of the Spider-Man mythos, which has been transformed into movies many times before, and probably will be transformed into entirely different and separate movies/franchises in the future (like BATMAN BEGINS startet a whole new Batman franchise). if you don't like Raimi's version of SPIDER-MAN, that's too bad... but he didn't damage any franchise.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST

    damaging franchises...

    by skynetbauxi

    it's the same with all the people who say George Lucas ruined STAR WARS with the prequels... hell, it's HIS FRACKIN' story! that's like looking at a painting by Picasso and saying "I really love what he did in the upper left corner of the painting, and the upper right section is okay too, but then he went ahead and totally fucked it all up in the lower half of the painting, and I hate him so much for destroying the upper half by making that lousy lower half!" it's ONE piece of art, done by ONE artist, and you either like it or you don't. but don't piss on the artist for "raping" your own ideas of what the artwork shoulda been like.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Sam Raimi

    by Don_Knotts

    For the record, he is one of my favoriate directors, I worshipped him in high school and made many Evil Dead inspired films because of him, and I know he will turn out a great film, regardless of how Spiderman looks in the third film.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The Fan art Kicks all kinds of ass! Pay attention Sony

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Get this shit right. Perhaps you could have both costumes. The original black and white, then near the end of the flick it transforms to the WHITE SPIDER costume. Make this shit happen. So says the "Wise" one!

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by skynetbauxi

    how some people are obsessed with seeing a certain kind of COSTUME regardless of the thing that actually matters in a movie: the story.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    THE SONY ONE IS BETTER!!!! I'llbe honest I didn't even

    by silentbobafett2

    notice the difference until I looked REALLY close. BUt now its kinda obvious! SONY YOU GET THE OKAY FROM ME! :-) But Green Goblin costume was fucking awful! :-)

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    New black Spidey suit is better

    by SuperHeroStuff.

    I have to agree. Our staff all think that the movies do not do the comics or heroes justice. Jonathan's version of the black Spidey suit is much closer to what a comic fan would expect. Well done! We look forward to seeing more. Ronando Super Hero Stuff.Com

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by God-Man

    That fan art is the shit!!!! But god-damnit the poster that sony put out recently got me all excited as well.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Superhero tech tees

    by PureHero

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  • Feb. 28, 2006, 3:03 p.m. CST

    No black costume.

    by ZeroCorpse

    Yes, black suit (three-piece). It's not a black & white photo, but it IS a black & white painting. They won't be adding an alien to the story- It would drive non Venom fans, and normal people away. They won't be using and T2 characters in this- which is what Venom is!!! He's just a bad combination of the xenomorphs from Alien and the T-1000 from T2. STAY OLD SCHOOL. Do not touch anything from Spidey past 1990.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Is That Some Kind of Face in the Eyepiece?

    by braininajar

    Look at the reflection in the that a face? - T

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST

    People are gonna tear me apart for this, but...

    by Buek

    I still don't believe that the Sony pic is the black costume. Take a close look at the left arm compared to the left leg. There is a distinctly blue tint to the leg and a red tint to the arm. Am I crazy, or is anyone else seeing this?

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Jonas Grumpy, there were two Secret Wars Spidey figures

    by Snuffles ... So there were "recognition concerns". I have to admit that the black suit makes a better looking toy than the classic Spidey costume. It hides the articulated joints better.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Revamp looks great but....

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Hopefully they will use it and they arent too far into doing any CGI already that features the previous costume. (W/O correct white spider on front)

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Buek, Yes, you are imagining things.

    by Snuffles ... What you imagine as "red" on Spidey's left arm is just that light is shining on his left arm, and what you imagine as "blue" in his left leg, is just that his leg is in the shadow of his arm! Plus, look at his feet (supposed to be red, but no hint of red at all) and his right leg above the knee (no hint of blue at all). Sorry. It does look like a pure black and white pic of the normal costume, though.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Agree to disagree

    by Buek

    Sorry, man, but I can't help what I see. I believe 100% that this is the stadard costume with weird lighting or a color filter or something. This leads me to believe that this is not the final black costume design. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But if I'm right, then I will be hailed as a genius. Maybe not.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Buek, It may be the regular costume, BUT ...

    by Snuffles

    ... I don't think there's any way to tell from the pic, from hints of "color" (you are definitely imagining "blue"). The only hint of red I see is in one panel of Spidey's webbing on his chest. You may have that for your evidence if you wish.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    At least Spidey doesn't look like Ultimate Spidey

    by Snuffles

    I saw a mini-interview with the jackass who redesigned the Spider-man costume for that. He was so brilliant! He added MORE SPIDER WEBS. And made the eyeholes bigger! Ugh. Does anyone like that hyper-cartoony art in Ultimate Spider Man? Looks like a cross between Aeon Flux and Archie. Bleah.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Don_Knotts, what you say Elfman said makes sense.

    by Snuffles

    Spiderman 2 REEKED of creative fear. The whole movie was straitjacketed by fear of doing anything different from Spiderman 1. Every plot element got repeated, basically, the only stretching allowed being having MORE of those elements (so the bitching and whining and misunderstanding between Peter and MaryJane and Aunt May got magnified and extended ad nauseum). Are you fanboys really going to sit yourselves down and eat a big steaming bowl of Spidey 1 and 2 upchucked for you? Will you sit through an hour and a half of Peter Parker fighting with Mary Jane over a misunderstanding regarding Gwen Stacy, just so you can see the most retarded Spidey Villain (Venom) be all bad-ass in his black costume (cos black is cool!) and with his wicked teeth (cos they're SHARP and mean he's pissed OFF, which means hes BAD ASS!). Read Don_Knott's post above. It really means bad things for the movie, as a movie. I loved Doc Ock's mechanical arms in Spidey 2, but the movie, as a whole, sucked. I guess fanboys, being an every replicating tribe, like the Borg, will never learn, even if indvidual members leave the collective once in a while.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    answer to Snuffles post: .....yes.

    by vinceklortho

    I thought Spidey 2 was fantastic. definitely one of the most well done superhero movies. I don't want to hang my geekage on anything else. Spidey nerd fits me fine. I'm cool with it. To each his own with these comic book movies.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Bagtatta, I get you, but more whining I can't take.

    by Snuffles

    I mean, I forgave Spidey 1 just because I really liked the battle with the Goblin inside the tomb, with the wire-fu action. Made me feel all warm and fuzzy, like I'd just read one of my treasured Amazing Spidey issues. But Spidey 2 was torture, and, like you said, very little action to make up for it. If the formula holds true, we are in for a triple helping of whining, and another morsel of comic book action.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Too Little Too Late

    by ZooTrain

    God, you folks at AICN think highly of yourselves.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Clothes Maketh the Spider-Man!

    by blackspider-fan

    ....But the black suit saga has to be a a solid story as well as some nice new threads. I love the spider-man 3 teaser poster but I hope that's just what it is a teaser. like the dude who mentioned the episode 1 Anakin/Vader poster, A fore shadowing of "dark" things to come - dark being Spidey's "proper" black suit and the sullen pose perhaps indicating tradegy (bye-bye MJ?). Looking at the DVD extras on the first 2 films you realise how much work has gone into designing and redesigning the red/blue suit and how much effort (and cost!) it would be to come up with a totally new suit. But Mr Raimi with your great directing power comes great responsability! Make a spot-on 100% accurate super streamlined giant white spider logo with legs wrapping round to the logo on the back with white bits on the gloves and big white eyed sleek spandex spider suit, not because it is easy....but because it is hard!

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST

    you arent looking at the symbiot suit

    by joevfx

    the poster they released is a symbolic teaser. They released it saying he will wear a black suit in the movie to get everyone super pumped over the movie enlight of x-men 3 and superman comign out. thats how this industry work , trust me i work in it, i know. They released sandman first to get more of a stir thast why i believe he is the man villian but the story has more to do with death and darkness which equals Venom. They save the best for last ALWAYS. just wait, you havent seen anything just yet :)

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Who cares about the suit in the comics???

    by NeonKnite70

    Not everything that exists in the comic world transfers over believably to a major motion picture. I've yet to hear one good explanation as to why there would be abig white spider on the chest of the black suit? The suit should be just changed in color... nothing else... much more believable that way.

  • Feb. 28, 2006, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I never read comic books

    by Kegboy

    I watched Spiderman and Friends when I was little, and caught some of the newer cartoons here and there. I'd heard of Venom, and knew he was some kind of alter-ego to Spidey, but didn't know the backstory or anything until I looked it up recently. So, I have no emotional attachment to either. I've actually like the raised webbing, which I understand is sacrilege. That all said, the fan art does look better. He looks more animalistic, which as I understand it, fits the story.

  • March 1, 2006, 12:20 a.m. CST

    won't work on film

    by Mash4077

    As cool as the costume might be in comics it would look like crap on film. The white would seem way to bright and would reflect way to much light. Just because it looks cool in a comic doesn't mean it works as a movie.

  • March 1, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    Word. This, I'm certain exists.

  • March 1, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST


    by goodguy

    I appreciate this artist's touch-up skills, but surely we're not hoping the black costume loses the webbing but keeps the texture. Where is the logic in that? I know little about the symbiote story-line, other than this thing makes Peter pretty happy until he realizes it's alive. So, wouldn't it try to assume, as close as possible, the design of Peter's own design? Sometimes for the sake of logic, things have to be embellished when adapted to the screen. Staying true to the artwork is not as important as the intentions and logic of the characters.

  • March 1, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Spidey 3 in TPM zone

    by darthbinks1220

    This sequel will own Superman Returns billion worldwide take. Should approach Menace's adjusted total. I prefer the artists rendering, but with raised lettering.

  • March 1, 2006, 2:54 a.m. CST


    by templar

    I definitely like the look of the photoshop version. If Sony had some brains they would use that one. Whoever did it did a really great job

  • March 1, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST


    by templar

    I definitely like the look of the photoshop version. If Sony had some brains they would use that one. Whoever did it did a really great job

  • March 1, 2006, 5:30 a.m. CST

    That IS the black suit

    by Dietrich

    END your speculations. That image is NOT a photgraph BUT it is a rendering of THE BLACK SUIT! There is one, besides the color, difference... it's so slight you might not see it. The GOO that IS Venom, more or less... Emulates what it touches, more or less. Spiderman wears what we all have seen. The Goo Emulates it. The Goo wants to be Peters friend... When rejected, it's PISSED. Luckily it's lured A Grace to Goo Up. Differant personality charges the GOO. The goo = Dumped bitch. Seeking it's own retribution against Spiderman. Again, this IS the Black Suit... now all y'all can shut your pie holes. You whine and cry like snot mouthed idiots. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I want a white spider. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I don't want a black Spiderman. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Why can't SONY cater to my sissy needs? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'm a shut in and demand that Black Spiderman look like I want it to. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I will boycott this if my needs are ignored. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA You little bitches. It is the Black suit. Cry yourselves to sleep.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Oh Yea Morons

    by Dietrich

    Black Spiderman Yes Venom Yes Sandman Yes Green Goblin No Harry Osborn Yes Your Momma Dies Aunt May Dies Your Self Respect Absent Your Whines and Cries Unheard Your $9 Yes Marketing decides Designs Tragedy Surrounds You

  • March 1, 2006, 6:42 a.m. CST

    speed fricassee, youre on baby!

    by misnomer

    : D

  • March 1, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Just adding my vote.... white emblem is needed.

    by MikBones

    Here's hoping that Sony are counting these talkbacks and are re-thinking. Teaser images/posters are ammended all the time. Perhaps they've already got a follow up teaser planned of spidey in a different pose... with white emblem. Who knows. Also hoping for 'Ultimate' origin of the suit rather than Alien.

  • March 1, 2006, 9:10 a.m. CST


    by JCBaggee

    Need to add the white dots/circle/things on the top of the hands and it will be ungodly PERFECT. I don't think its the official design for the black costume that Sony put out...they never said "Hey, this is really it!", the official site says "Hey, Spidey will wear a black costume!". This is Sony trying to tease us and get us hyped up without really putting out anything big, so in a few months they can put out the actual suit and catch us all off guard. Raimi stated in early Spider-Man 1 interviews (namely when he turned down Alex Ross' designs for a Spider-Man costume for the movies) that he was a big fan of the traditional Spider-Man costume, and would keep it be. I don't see how that would be any different for the black costume, or for Venom, despite Raimi's claims that he didn't want to use them (apparently, he was lying to us). --Chris

  • March 1, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    what I find funny

    by smackfu

    is that all the people who complain about the fanboys wanting the costume adjustments come off as whiny bitches too. It's just a different kind of whining, rather than objecting to a costume you're objecting to people expressing personal opinions and criticisms. But it's still whining, don't fool yourself. Especially Dietrich, man that was literally the most childish post I've seen on a message board in a long time. And this is AICN. You see, if Sony had released a teaser poster showing a suit that looked exactly like the fanart, all you douchebags would be saying how great it is and criticising the fans that wanted a suit with raised webbing. And Dietrich, do you realize that your own rational of why the suit would just be the regular spiderman costume only black contradicts itself? You first state that it only mimics what it comes in contact with, so there would be no change, then you state that 'different personalities change the goo' thus the change with venom. If it changes with Venom's personality, they why is it hard to believe that it would change with Peter's personality and give him spiffier duds? If the alien suit also mimics color (which it does) then wouldn't it just leave Peter's costume red and blue? Your reasoning just doesn't hold water.

  • March 1, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST


    by smackfu

    I tend to agree with people who say this is not the final costume, just a hint. Production on this puppy is still in it's infancy, and generally speaking, the symbiote costume is probably going to be primarily post production, only using a tangible costume for closeup shots. I'll wait until there are actual finished scenes from the film popping up before believing that this is the final product and not just a tease.

  • March 1, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Black forever

    by johnfromparis

    As says one of my best girlfriend's fianc

  • March 1, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    once peter goes black he never goes back

    by smackfu

    my spider-sphincter is tingling!

  • March 1, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by Ribbons

    What I find funny is that the people who complain about the people who complain about the fanboys wanting costume adjustments come off as whiny too. Etc., etc., ad infinitum. What does that specious observation prove, exactly? You basically just said that the fanboys ready to boycott the movie over a white spider emblem are still whiny bitches.

  • March 1, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Blacksuit on Myspace!

    by batgirl9

    Support Black Suit Spiderman! Make him your friend!

  • March 1, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by smackfu

    What I find funny is the people who complain about the people who complain about the people who complain about the costume. My point was to point out how equally absurd it is to attack people for expressing a simple preference, specifically, that the photoshopped costume looks better than the Sony teaser, and that they would enjoy the movie much more if the costume was more authentic looking than the regular costume spray painted black. Oh no, I've observed that one thing looks better than another, I'm a loser :(

  • March 1, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Thanks to Batgirl, and a defense for the suit

    by Don_Knotts

    Batgirl, Jesse and I will be running the myspace site to try and gain support for the comics black suit, see if we can give out some t-shirts, posters and what not with the fan image, and basically have fun with it until people run out of interest. And one more point to the people who continue to state that the O.G. black suit from the comics isn't realistic enough, all I can say is that you are intitled to you opinion, but since there are no sybiotic spiderman suits in reality, we can't say what they could and couldn't do. According to the creators of the suit, the suit could indeed change it's colors slightly to add a white spider on Peter's chest. In the comics, the suit could change into any type of clothes, no? Infact, I can image the scene perfectly as it could appear in the film. As Peter is discovering the suit and it's abilities, he says out loud in amazement "Perfect! But only if I could have kept to old spider logo on the chest. Had kinda gotten attached to it." as he says it, the suit responds to his thoughts and forms the white logo on his chest. Peter giggles with glee, and then further discovers the suit will change into any sort of clothes he wants via mental command. I don't see any of that as being overly unrealistic in comparision to the other unrealistic events from the prior films. And plus, it would re-invigorate the viewer to agian see Peter's sense of discovery of new powers. My favoriate parts of the previous two films were watching Peter in both awe, excitement, and fear of new abilities. The black suit offers another opportunity to see Peter through this process again, but this time with (hopefully) different, potentially more tragic results.

  • March 1, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Electro's reflection in Spidey's eye?

    by Oliviscus

    OK, this is a bit off topis here, but has anyone else looked really closely at the reflection in Spidey's eye piece? All the other promos showed the villain in the I enlarged the pick and damn if I don't see a face with a couple jagged shapes above the eyes. Can you say say Electro? I think I am first on this one. What do you think?

  • March 1, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    this is my rework of the teaser....

    by misnomer

  • March 1, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST

    About the whining

    by Buek

    To the people bitching about the people who are bitching about the people bitching about the suit. We're all anonymously typing on a stupid message board. This is the equivalent of taking turns screaming our opinions into a well. Sony's gonna do whatever they want to do, whatever they feel will make them the most money. They could do an entire movie with him as the Amazing Bag Man, and guess what, they'll still gross $350Million domestic! I'm really not even sure why I'm here....

  • March 1, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST

    hope you like it^

    by misnomer

    I added alot of color by painting my own background, added lightning and a reflection of franco in the goblin suit. *the way its hosted means the image is small-so you wont be able to see it but its there!* uhhh...the emblem on the one above is too small- you wouldnt be able to see much of it in that pose.

  • March 1, 2006, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah right- Sony are going to re-film half the movie

    by Avon

    for a new 'black' suit. Get a grip nerds...!!

  • March 1, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST

    You're all soo smart!

    by Dietrich

    The suit in the image is... Listen closely.... IS THE BLACK SPIDEY You don't have to believe me... it just is. This is the suit developed under the supervision of the producers, Marvel and RAIMI. Keeping the suit similar provides more merchandising using less resources to create them. The "logic" assumedly debunked by SmackFu is neato and all, but it's not the script. I guess the only way for you fanboys to believe this is fact is for SONY to come in and drop credentials. But I'd be wrong in that assumption, since they ALREADY did that. This is NOT 1 of 2 suits... This is Spiderman. Then it is Grace... who then become , via symbiot control fueled by his own emotional rage, Venom. Not Stage 2. Your speculative bullshit is amusing and fun. Its a testament to SONY on keeping their secrets and an audience interested enough to chatter it up. I invite Harry to contact me to confirm the info. I'll say it again... THIS IS THE BLACK SPIDEY SUIT. And remember, there is NO GOBLIN in this film.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    smackfu (again)

    by Ribbons

    "What I find funny is the people who complain about the people who complain about the people who complain about the costume." Good comeback, except wait: I implied that that argument was stupid, if not overtly with the first sentence, then definitely with the second one. So no, it wasn't a good comeback at all.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Oh, and by the way

    by Ribbons

    What in the flying fook does "more authentic looking" mean in this context? Does it mean.... more logical? Because in that case it most definitely does not. Does it mean.... more authentic to the movies' continuity? Nope. Perhaps it means more authentic to the comic books, just like Peter Parker inventing his webbing.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Sony Legal is Laughing

    by Dietrich

    at all y'all. Bullitens are posted to dept heads regarding topics like this. Laughter can be heard from downtown LA, NYC and back by the Basketball court on the Sony Lot.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Dietrich and Misnomer

    by Don_Knotts

    Dietrich- Do you work for Sony? Have you ready the Spiderman 3 script? Have you ever known of film producers to make creative changes after filming has started? Is so now spelled with two "o's"? Just wondering. Misnomer-Did you use our edit as the basis of your work, or did you start from scratch? We would appreciate credit if our work was used. Great job on the white spider on the back! That must have been tricky.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    After a film has started....

    by Dietrich

    Of course, it happens often... but not often enough when a budget's already been cut and the product has been FINISHED for months to the approval of those who matter. To change what has been established would = Millions of dollars wasted. A new CGI Model would have to be created AFTER the NEW version was redesigned by the DESIGNER, and possibly a new Contract drawn up for that designer and cgi company. When dealing with HUGE factors such as CHANGING the suit...It just won't happen. Think with your brain Don.

  • March 1, 2006, 5:31 p.m. CST

    PS - I don't work for Sony

    by Dietrich

    Never have and never will. If I did I would not jeapordize my job by posting here anyhow. There are a lot of insiders who are willing to pass information tho.

  • March 1, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by misnomer

    hey thanks for the feedback! yeah it took ages to figure out just how much of the spider you would actually see in that pose. although, I did honestly start from scratch as I wanted to use as large an image as possible-took ages with the patching/healing!!! : /

  • March 1, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Fist to the tits

    by WolfmanNards

    I guess the new one looks cool... sort of... but whoever decided that the first one wasn't any good derserves a fist to the tits.

  • March 1, 2006, 8:53 p.m. CST

    douchebag fever

    by smackfu

    There are some seriously stupid points being made around here by some seriously stupid people. Avon, it would be kind of hard for them to reshoot half the movie when they've barely started shooting at all. Dietrich and the other guy, pay close attention: They've only done minimal shooting so far and NO insiders anywhere have mentioned any sign of the black costume in any of these shoots. They're still actively casting the damned thing for christ sake. No one is saying they're going to *change* the costume because of people complaining. What those of us with sense are saying, is that whatever the final product of the symbiote is, it's probably not going to look exactly what is in that teaser poster, and Sony won't be revealing *actual* shots of the costume and\or venom until the scenes have been *filmed* and they've been prettied up by post production. And Dietrich, you're responses to me don't even really make sense - "The "logic" assumedly debunked by SmackFu is neato and all, but it's not the script.". This response does not correspond to anything I said. What I debunked was *YOUR* contradictive statement that the suit only mimics then in the same sentence said it adapts with each host. What I said had nothing to do with the script or content of the movie, but instead a contradictive statement made by you that remains at this point - still a contradiction. Ribbons, it wasn't a comeback you idiot. You asked me what point I was trying to make and I answered and explained the point I was trying to make, as you obviously didn't get it. And since you asked again, 'more authentic looking' is pretty fucking self-explanatory. 'Authentic looking' means Spiderman wears red and blue jammies with a webbing pattern in the movie because that's what the spiderman we all know looks like. The Green Goblin in the Spiderman movie was NOT authentic looking in that him wearing green and having a grin were the only resemblence he had to the Green Goblin of spiderman lore. Doc Octopus was authentic looking because other than not wearing green tights, he looked pretty much like Doctor Octopus. I hope these examples, spelled out as one would to a child, have helped illustrate what I mean by 'authentic'.

  • March 2, 2006, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Nice, ...but don't forget BLACK WIDOW inspired gloves!

    by JDanielP

    Yeah, don't forget the white spot on back of both gloves, ...a nice touch in the design of the black costume, from the comics. Hollywood has GOT to understand the importance of costume design when it comes to comic book characters. It's really simple. Make it look visually interesting, ...visually exciting, ...while being mostly faithful to the source material. (Hopefully, Warner Bros. will keep this in mind for the sequel to "BATMAN BEGINS". I had better see some coolness added to that functional design!)

  • March 2, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Idiot = SmackFu

    by Dietrich

    Hey there Slappy... Whattaya say there Slappy? Truth is what the truth is. You do not know what the truth is. I do. I know the suit in the production art IS the Black suit. I know what the script reads. I know that casting has NOTHING to do with shooting the SUITS. The CGI shots are 7/8ths DONE The Black Suit WAS seen on SEVERAL Occasions, as some insiders will tell ya... On a golf cart on the Sony Lot. The Venom art was leaked on a website about 3 months ago, snuffed immediatly and legal action was slapped on the entity who posted. SOME were quick enough to SEE it. The Black Spidey is seen in the Art from Sony. FROM SONY. The Film is being shot in a darker/duller tone. Think Depressing Greys. This is the Darkest Spidey will get. Not because of other films, because of the story line. The GOO is GOO and will do what EVER it is scripted to do. Be it emulate or mimic. The Black suit as to be seen in the film is Perfect. It's not a comic book. It FITS the Raimi Universe. and unfortunately ... Mary Jane is still uglier than sin but better looking than what Peter Parker could nail.

  • March 2, 2006, 4:05 a.m. CST

    Idiot = SmackFu

    by Dietrich

    Hey there Slappy... Whattaya say there Slappy? Truth is what the truth is. You do not know what the truth is. I do. I know the suit in the production art IS the Black suit. I know what the script reads. I know that casting has NOTHING to do with shooting the SUITS. The CGI shots are 7/8ths DONE The Black Suit WAS seen on SEVERAL Occasions, as some insiders will tell ya... On a golf cart on the Sony Lot. The Venom art was leaked on a website about 3 months ago, snuffed immediatly and legal action was slapped on the entity who posted. SOME were quick enough to SEE it. The Black Spidey is seen in the Art from Sony. FROM SONY. The Film is being shot in a darker/duller tone. Think Depressing Greys. This is the Darkest Spidey will get. Not because of other films, because of the story line. The GOO is GOO and will do what EVER it is scripted to do. Be it emulate or mimic. The Black suit as to be seen in the film is Perfect. It's not a comic book. It FITS the Raimi Universe. and unfortunately ... Mary Jane is still uglier than sin but better looking than what Peter Parker could nail.

  • March 2, 2006, 7:52 a.m. CST

    speed fricassee

    by misnomer

    If I've made you happy, then Im happy : ) I mean that was some serious photo manip-and due to the texture of the suit, it was never gonna come out great. its a shame i couldnt host it larger, as the patch/heal work really is very nice closer up. the whole thing takes on this kind of "glow" at a small size, which is a shame. and the lightning was done with a vivid light brush and RAYflect-a great psd plug in for skies. anyway glad it meets your appproval!

  • March 2, 2006, 8:35 a.m. CST

    skynetbauxi ..

    by fAbs

    skynetbauxi .. yeh good point. I guess all I essentially wanted to see was a moving picture version of the comic book, while I'm young (rather than hoping that in a few decades someone else will make a spidey series the way that I selfishly want it). I guess my franchise ruining comment really doesn't make sense. heh. .oh, sorry for posting in a old talk back; if anyone is bothering to read this.

  • March 2, 2006, 8:47 p.m. CST

    My mind

    by Don_Knotts

    I'm pretty sure I'm thinking with my mind, Dietrich. But I'll let you be the judge. My thinking is that the black suit will be in no more than half of the actual "in- costume" Spiderman 3 scenes, and that about half of those scenes will be pure CGI. Half of a half is one fourth. Not one fourth of the film, just one fourth of the in-costume scenes, which themselves only constituted maybe one eighth of the prior films. A fourth of an eighth? That's nothing! I'm also assuming that not all of those black suit CGI shots have been animated yet. So, we are talking an even smaller portion of the film. On top of that, there would be no call for new designers to come in and "re-design" the black suit. My half- assed photoshop job proved that. All they would have to do is a slight modification on the black suit texture, and if it takes them as long as it took me, it would take maybe an hour. They could probably get some interns to do it for free. That's how easy it was. The hard stuff- designing the character model, doing the animation, camera placement and motion paths- could all stay as previously made. As you probably know, in CGI animation, the textures are usually applied last. They get the character model, animation, and motion paths down first. So, it's highly unlikly that the texture for the black suit is even applied to any of the work done so far on the film. The one other piece, which is likely to be the really expensive part, would be re-filming Toby's scenes wearing a new live action black suit. There's no getting around how much it costs to get actors to do anything. My guess is; the whole enterprise of adding the comics' black suit to Spiderman 3 would range inbetween 1-3 million dollars, That's without knowing how far a long in production they are. Not a small amount of money, but film companies have certainly spent more when they thought they would turn a profit. Jerry Goldsmith, composer extrodinare, has been fired from at least two films after already being paid approx 1 million to score them (Alien Nation and Legend). In both cases the film companies in question did so because, in retrospect, they thought they would make more money if they used a less "traditional" score. There have also been countless times that an actor or actress has been fired from a film (or died or sonething) after shooting was well underway. That can cost into millions of dollars to recast and rewrite, But film companies will do it if they think they will turn a profit off the deal. And, of course, there is the example of the Exorcist prequel, which was entirely re-shot, costing +20 million dollars, because in retrospect, the film companies believed that the cost of an entirely different director and shoot would still net more profit for them in the end. My point? If Sony believed that they would make more money from Spiderman 3 using the comics' black suit, they would re-shoot the entire thing if they had to. Thing is, I highly doubt they think they would make more money with the comics black suit. They may be right. But, until shown to a test audience, how would they know? They have their own opinions to go by, but they are far too close and too invested, both emotionally and financially, to have an unbiased opinion. They really should shoot a small scene with both suits, Sony's new original black suit and comics' faithful black suit, and show it to some test audiences. The scene wouldn't even have to involve the story of SPiderman 3. It would just be to gauge audience reaction to both designs. Hell, maybe they've already done this and just kept it totally quiet. Who knows? And, does any one care? My girlfriend, who has been patiently waiting for me to stop typing this post, sure doesn't. But she at least can see I am thinking with my mind, though I bet she wishes I would think with my wang a little bit more and give her some "attention".-----So, so long folks!

  • March 2, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    damn you fanboy!

    by tromeokid

    ever since i viewed the fanart version of the black suit i cannot picture the movie being released with the actual teaser suit. PLEASE SONY, think twice or three times on the concept of just taking the color out of the red and blue suit and lean towasd the actual black suite from the comic!!!!

  • March 3, 2006, 12:22 a.m. CST


    by Dietrich

    Redesigning a costume requires hiring a costume designer. Union will not allow a redesign without a contracted designer. And the guy who did the first two films has done such a great job with them, they would be foolish to move past his work without his input. They did however release the first venom lab, a special effects company subcontracted due to their poor work or lack of vision or something like that. Do not assume your photoshop hack is worthy of film work and praise. It's just a photoshop hack. The majority of the Spidey, venom, sandman, harry osborn, and goo CGI scenes were animated before xmas. now they will be compositing them into live action sequences that are in production now. There were what, about 45 Spiderman suits made per each of the last films, we can assume that there will be at least that many made in the black suit. The cost per suit was in some cinefex or something at being near $65K per suit. I doubt that includes the design work and prep. Taking that back into consideration... respectfully add the technical staff that it takes to manufacture a suit like that, and multiply it by 3. Sony will not change it. The Black suit you see in the SONY rendering is IT. It works in the Raimi World of Spiderman. Too bad. You may be using your brain, but only to convince yourself you are.

  • March 3, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Very interesting

    by Don_Knotts

    Dietrich, I have such mixed feelings about your posts. One the one end, they are very insightful and filled with facts that may be true. Since you don't work for Sony, and are merely a nosey fan, I can't really believe anything you say. But, you may be right, and if you are, it's great to get that kind of information. So, that's the good news. The bad news is, you are a real dick. But hey, nobodies perfect, right? I'll just take the good with the bad, I guess.

  • March 4, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST


    by Dietrich

    wrap your head around the entity that is me... with the facts you will see revealed. or just suck it Don.

  • March 4, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST


    by Hiraj

    anyone consider maybe this is a shot of Venom from before that rare pic(which I unfortunately heard about a little too late to see)? Eddie Brock in this film will clearly be of a more similar build to Parker. Since traditionally, the suit can take the form of ANYONE, Brock masqurades as Spidey for a while, then goes big, bad and ugly. Maybe he kills someone and realizes what he did (hence the pose), and it twists him? This could also explain the reflection in the eye(if indeed it is venom, if anything at all). Hell, after hearing all this talk about Raimi not being a big fan of Venom, that could even be his own twist to bring a character he's not understanding/fond of into the universe in a way acceptable to himself and everyone else.

  • March 4, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    My apologies...

    by Don_Knotts

    to deitrich. I was a tad rude. But you muct admit sir, you are (I assuem intentionally) pretty caustic and dislikable in your posts. Anyway, I asked a frined who works at in animation and special effects what they thought of this, and they said that Sony would have to be nuts to have not already considered, and subsequntly rejected the idea of the comics black suit, and that it's likely the tests I thought they should do are done, and, if we are lucky, will be on the DVD bonus features. He also agreed with Dietrich on the price of making the live action suit, but stated that after production, each suit could be sold to collectors for +65K, so it would be (as Steve Martin once said) a "profit deal" regardless. And also, to change the CGI model would in fact take no more than an afternoon of post production work. So, I still have every reason to believe that Sony COULD change the black suit if they wanted to, I disagree with those who think that they SHOULDN'T (why be half assed in being true to source material? If you are going to be "original" in your adapting a comic, why not just make up totally new characters and story's, instead of mis-adapting original ones?) and I agree with Dietrich and the others who think that they WONT (they already would have if they wanted to). And I guess that's all I have to say on the matter. And thanks for the continued compliments from those who like our hack job edit.

  • March 7, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by campy_tv_batman

    I have wanted to see the Black Spider Man costume made into a movie costume for a long time, but the one they did really chessed me off. The remake looks WAY better then the lame attempt made by so called profesionals in Hollywood. Phill

  • March 7, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    The original picture IS color

    by campy_tv_batman

    Acording to the official website Spider-Man IS wearing a black suit in the upcoming movie. Directly under the photo it says that that picture is a color one. This may not be the costume used for the moive it may only have been one of the concepts they were thinking of. Phill