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The Coming of GALACTUS?
Hey folks, Harry here... I've been rough on FOX and MARVEL recently. I admit that. I've been pretty damn mean to Brett Ratner on X-MEN 3, when... in reality, the reason that movie will probably blow ass like mexican food served on a soapy plate... well, it'll be due to Tom Rothman's utterly insane edict that the film be released this May, without proper pre-production or post-production time, nor the budget necessary to really do an A-level job across the board... Meanwhile, there's a bigger storm brewing. It concerns FANTASTIC FOUR 2. The rumors I've been hearing is that this will be Tim Story's version of sacred comic texts... FF 48, 49, 50.
Then I got an email from Masheen81, that this month's WIRED magazine reported that Keanu Reeves has been mentioned as the lead in a SILVER SURFER feature for Fox. Oddly, I feel that's perfect casting. And in tandem with the rumors about GALACTUS and the FF, it makes one wonder if they plan to introduce the Surfer as he should be introduced in an FF movie. Now, I know what you're thinking. The last FF film was fairly mediocre with a few bright spots. And I know that's my anticipation for X3, even if I would love to be handed a great film when we eventually see it. BUT - if Arad, Fiege, Rothman and crew are even thinking about doing FF 48, 49, 50... They're working with material that does get me supremely nervous. I got the following email today:
Hey Harry,
When are we going to see a superhero movie like this? I just thought you might get a kick out of seeing this little Photoshop scene using a Galactus statue.
Tom Woods
If... Fox doesn't produce images at least 20 times more powerful than what this 'fan' on his computer with Photoshop and a mass-produced statue can... they should just stop now. Cuz that shot, that's amongst the least powerful moments in that story arc. It is an EPIC film, not to be trifled with. To rush it, cut it short or half ass it would be a cinematic crime worthy of epic cursing and outrage and scorn. But the dream of what it could be. I really hope TIM STORY the best. I hope to God they nail it, but ya know... I just don't have a lot of faith, just a lot of hopes.
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Really?
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it will look like a tv movie and have lots of camp and bad acting with minimal action (which well all see in the trailer anyways)
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I'm nervous! That's the only way to describe Story's involvement with this production. I should be excited as heck, but I'm nervous. He nailed
THE THING & TORCH, but he missed the boat on DOOM, Mr. FANTASTIC, and ALBA. Gosh I really really really hated what they did with DOOM in FF.
Hope they don't fuck over GALACTUS.
Don't make him a wussy like DOOM. He's a fucken COSMIC BEING! DEMI-GOD! HE FUCKEN DEVOURS PLANETS!!! -
...the Roger Corman is back in the game!!!!
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as with all comic films these days. Comic films are never good. They are mildly entertaining at the very best. But that's enough for morons I suppose. I can't wait to hear the praise espoused for the violently overrated Batman Begins in response to that comment.
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DOOM is supposed to be a brilliant megalomaniacal leader of a country - not some chump who looks at himself in the mirror and has the hots for jessica alba - FF was shiite
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Ahahaahahahahahahaahahahaahah... yeah, there's a chance that will happen.
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That is wrong in SO MANY ways. They should cas Vin Diesel ! Anyhow,I thought this was a news article.......but it sounds more like wishful thinking.
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Probably some of my favorite comics ever. Could possibly be one of the greatest super-hero/comic films ever, if done right. Daredevil could have been great, HULK could have been phenominal, Fantastic Four should have been more then what it is. But too late to cry over spilled milk, hopefully they do pull this off the right way. Stick to the source material and give us all what we want, a fucking COSMIC Fantastic Four movie, that will own everybody's ass.
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used in the same sentence?
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its late and I'm tired so sue me
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its late and I'm tired so sue me
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Keanu Reeves would fit the part as silver surfer perfectly, and I enjoyed FF. So hate me!
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How the hell do you think they will write the ending to this? We haven't had years of comics ahead of this story that explains where Reed got that Cosmic Raygun-thingy that he threatened Galactus with. Betcha it will be a super stupid fucking ending like Galactus sees how much Reed and Sue love each or how much Ben and the blind chick love each and his heart grows 10x bigger like the Grinch. **roll eyes**
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Not a one.
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i was really looking forward to it..felt quite let down having seen it..was v surprised by the blithering and orgasmic raving on the talkbacks here..
1. Bale (who is a great actor i know) just looked goofy in the suit..particularly the mask
2. Mr spooky eyes actor (whatever the hell his name is) who plays the gassy scarecrow guy..just seemed ridiculously too young to give the part any serious gravitas
3. Katie Holmes was as flat and dull as someone who you would expect to do a hollywood sprogging deal with a loony scientologist
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There were two, the comic geek side of me loved the Torch f/x. The shallow side of me loved Jessica Alba in spandex...that alone was worth the price of admission...the spandex and the pout.
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no to Galactus in a F4 movie until they had already done him in a Silver Surfer movie?
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So much it knocked the wind out of me the last time I tried to post. A.) This WON'T happen. B.) Even if it DID happen -- dude, TIM STORY trying to direct a Galactus movie. You thought DOCTOR DOOM was hilarious...
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Could someone refresh my memory regarding what's up with issue 48-50? And how tall is galactus supposed to be?
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I dig the look. It has that Spectreman thing going for it -- http://tinyurl.com/atk6u But, yeah... the grandpas running Hollywood are in dire need of imagination steroids. They could make Galactus look really cool, but they can't. It's as simple as that. And YES! Batman Begins was way overrated. Way. Bale is NOT young Batman. I win.
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Ever. Memento was good, though.
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No thanks. I'd rather suck old man feet.
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A lingering closeup of a Burger King sign in the background featuring something called a 'flame broiled Whopper' I think they were inspired by Spielberg's brilliant 20 second push in of a Waldenbooks sign in The Terminal.
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I actually have no problem with Keanu as SS. I never would have thought of him, but I still have no problem with him being cast, although I highly doubt this Galactus and SS as the villians. I don't know what the plan is for putting the big G in the next movie, but i do know that if true FOX needs to be up and running with the production for F42 before the Summer if they are planning a summer 07 release. If this is true and not BS and FOX starts shooting anytime after July then it's going to be a half assed job. I actually like Tim Story and think he's a capable director, but the man is out of his league with characters like Galactus and Silver Surfer. I just can't help but fear what king of Galactus will we get?
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That shot above looks like something out of the Thunderbirds. Well done to the chap that created it. FF #s 48-50 are definitely considered one of the top twenty superhero stories. It is also a far cry from the material they used in the first Fantastic Four movie (which was fun drivel for some, and had no similarity to any good FF comic story- I don't care if it was an origin movie, that does NOT excuse a film for having a lack of plot). The problem with comic to movie projects is that no one has the balls or sense to STICK TO THE ORIGINAL STORIES. THE ORIGINAL STORY IS WHAT MADE IT MOVIE-WORTHY IN THE FIRST PLACE!! How easy is that?!?! Who the fuck has the audacity to think they can write a BETTER story than the original creators? I know: it's all the SO-CALLED script writers, editors, producers and directors that live, eat and shit mediocrity. It insults the creators of the source material, and it makes for insignificant, pissant films being made. With the exception of Sin City & possibly A History of Violence (even History diverged completely from the graphic novel two-thirds of the way through, but you have to give it credit for that first 2/3rds, and it IS a good film) there are no other films or film makers out there that have TRANSFERED a comic book STORY into a movie. I hope the future sees these disgustingly inept producers, directors, editors and writers that are so obviously out of their league LEARN the concept of humility and start showing respect to the original creators of these fine works. THEY WRITE BETTER STORIES THAN YOU CAN.
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To sum up: chances of a good Fantastic Four (48-50) film being made? Small, if some wanker decides he can *tinker* with the original story and make it better. Chances of a good FF film made with Keanu Reeves as Silver Surfer? ZERO. I'll give him a good chance in A Scanner Darkly because he plays a drug-fucked narc. This is the sort of role that suits him.
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I can see the casting meeting now: "He was great in Point Break! let him play a surfer again." "Brilliant."
I....am....an...F..B...I.....agent....Brody..... -
"So Silver Surfer, I will send you in to recon the worlds before I devour them, what do you have to say my multilingual genius friend..."
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you know you've been pretty mean to ratner? no kidding?
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will end up being a politician, who's quest for ultimate power leads to him being big & floaty with a big hat.
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I never understood Silver Surfer. Does he need that board to fly? And if so, why? Isn't he some all powerful being? Why does the board help then, or is it just ot get chicks?
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Funny, I never thought of doing Norrin Rann as a Surfer dude. Call him Norrin Rad! But would Wild Man and the AFA allow a movie where the bad guy is The Big G? *** So if not Galactus, who? Which FF villain other than Doom belongs in a movie? If they can do the FF sfx they can do Super-Skrull. Can't do Frightful Four until after Sandman is introduced in Spider-man. If they have Alicia they can bring in her dad, Puppet Master. Annhillus in the Negative Zone? So many FF characters turned out not to be villains... (Sub-Mariner, Black Panther, Inhumans, Silver Surfer) They could do a cross-over with that Fox S.H.I.E.L.D. movie and do the Hate Monger story with Hasselhoff as Fury and Will Ferrell as Hitler. My preference would be to skip the Batman obligatory super-villain of the episode formula all together and just do The Impossible Man. (Who could play him better than Chris Kattan?)
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...based on the result of Story & co's efforts last time. News that Dr. Doom will be back and in his "full glory" or whatever the statement was doesn't fill me with anticipation. Frankly, they fucked Doom up so badly in the first film, I don't care if he comes back. Send him off on his shit barge to Latveria (Lavetoria?) and leave him there. I'd just as soon they tackled Galactus or Mole Man or whoever and got them as close as possible to 100% right. That'll do more to win over my opinion of the FF filmmakers and the direction this series is going than anything else. I still feel Tim Story is a mediocre director with no real vision as to how a series of films like this could be done, but maybe...maybe he can change my mind somehow. First step? If you ARE going to take on the Galactus story, the production designers, costumers, the digital FX people - anybody responsible for working on the visual look of the film should get a crash course on Jack Kirby. Make up for the pedestrian design on the 1st picture by using maybe the most important thing Jack Kirby brought to his masterwork, the FF - the visuals. Banks of computers in the FF's lab should look like Kirby drew them. Explosions of energy gotta have that "Kirby crackle." Angles should be big, majestic, larger-than-life. Story accomplished none of this last time out, which I mark as almost as much of a dissapointment as the hack-job on Doom, the cliched, vapid script with its often non-sensical plot-points and horrible dialog, Jessica Alba's acting and so-on. I liked Chris Evans Torch and Chicklis' portrayal of the Thing, plus and occasional scene here or there, but for the most part, the FF movie was teh suck. $150 mil US? Yeah, that's great and all - but what it tells me is the movie could have made $300 mil if it had actually been any good. I'm sure Fox doesn't see it that way, though. Anyhow, bottom line is I'm not paying to see FF2 unless something comes along between now and then that turns me into a believer. And since I felt burned last time even after going in with relatively low expectations, it'll take some doing. I've still got the $20 I didn't spend on the DVD, BTW. We'll see if the mall-masses were impressed enough with FF that they'll turn out to support a bigger film next time. 'Cause I have a feeling a lot of the fanboys see things the way I do, and won't get very amped up for this.
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The first FANTASTIC FOUR film was just a plastic, plastic film - no heart to it at all. I wish Marvel hadn't hired Tim Story to direct it, I mean, I'm glad for Story getting to direct bigger and better things, but he should have gotten a project like DEATHLOK, not one of the golden projects like THE FANTASTIC FOUR, it's like Arad WANTED it to be mediocre from the start. Keanu as the Silver Surfer is awesome, in my opinion at least, but I just know that even if THE FANTASTIC FOUR 2 is better than the first film, it'll still be a mediocre, glossy, sub-par piece of crap... which happens to star Michael "I Am Legend" Chiklis.
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Those "sacred comic texts" are insanely stupid. Just look at Galactus. I mean, really look at him. That won't work on camera. It barely works on the page, but Kirby's just such a damn brilliant pop-artist that it's hard to not love it. If they gut the story and rewrite as a largely abstract metaphysical fable about God ala 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY then, yeah, it'll be great, but they're not going to do that, so expect another god awful FANTASTIC FOUR movie with stupid special effects and horrible dialog.
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Feb 19, 2006 6:30:08 AM CST
They will screw it up, just like they did with Doom in
by simongarth2001
I don't understand how they can take such a classic villian, and screw it up so completely like they did to Dr Doom in the first film. Now, they want to mess up Galactus and the surfer????? Count me out.
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I shit you not. That's the WORST idea I've heard from you in at least 2 days. Just cause he had a buzz cut in The Matrix does not a Norrin Radd make.
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To Hell with this by-the-book pseudu-positivity: The Marvel films have been absolutely TERRIBLE. And its because of YOU Arad! You do NOT know what you're doing. Tim Story? Brett Ratner? What is wrong with you? Bryan Singer's X-MEN movies have been passable at best, imo. Spiderman is the best, but it still is not great. Don't listen to these people here. They are either unabashed apolognists, making excuses for the films they like, negative idiots who bash eveything, or psuedu-neutral people who say things like "It doesn't look good, but, I'll hold opinion until opening day." This is the time to VOICE opinions. X-MEN looks and sounds horrible. Giving Tim Story yet ANOTHER try to fuck up the FANTASTIC FOUR? Jesus. Sandman, Hobgoblin, Venom or Electro, AND Gwen Stacy in SPIDERMAN 3? God, you really don't know what you have. These stories and characters have been honed over DECADES with HUNDREDS of different people perfecting them, and you think you can make them better in six months of script writing? Changing all the great stuff into watered-down bullshit that matches up to whatever screenwriting books you've read? Pack it up, Arad. Let Marvel die quietly. You had your chance. You blew it.
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Mankind shudders at wasting inspiration. Should I watch the recently released Fantastic Four on DVD? It looked like a great movie, all my friends loved it, loved it. F Harry thrice!!
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Vin Diesel IS Silver Surfer... NOT Keanu Reeves... holy shit! Only because Keanu is a comic book geek he thinks he's good for that cast, same as Nick Cage in Ghost Raider (Ughhhh... awful casts). What are thinking the people in charge of casting? They're doing crap lately...
Besides, I think an FF Movie should be Larger Than Life, and Galactus has that...
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It's a toy that was assembled from 7 pieced that came with some obscure Marvel hero toys. I bought them for my son this Chrismas and he loves them. Grey Hulk, Professor X, Nightcrawler etc... Cool toys for a couple of bux.
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No guff, chet. So now it's Rothman's fault? Man, opinion swings like a suspiciously-guided wrecking ball.
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it was a movie for 5 year olds. seriously. i dont xpect the second one to be any different.
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I've thought Keanu Reeves would be perfect since his no hair/no eyebrows scene in The Matrix. He'll have to be cool with not being seen or heard though: the Surfer should be coated in CG magic, and his voice needs to be put through some sort of "cosmic" filter. Anyway, hasn't the Keanu rumour been doing the rounds since the poster in Pulp Fiction?
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Oddly enough, I was surprised by how bad the first flick WASN'T after reading all the shit on here. Did I enjoy it? Not really, but I know why. FANTASTIC FOUR WAS MADE FOR CHILDREN. Any grownup who complains about not liking this movie was looking in the wrong place, you might as well complain about the repetitive plots of Dora the Explorer and get it over with. My girlfriend's six-year-old nephew is obsessed with that movie and was pretty damn excited when I got him those Thing fists for his birthday. I found the whole thing really silly and was genuinely annoyed with how they'd ruined the Doom character(one of the greatest in comic history for sure), but I realized that I wasn't the one being spoken to and just took it for what it was. The main problem with movies based on comics is that they weren't around when I was 8-12 years old and hugely into them, they all show up when I'm in my early-to-mid 20s and far too critical to enjoy them(aside from most of Hulk and all of Batman Begins).
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I love watching big purple demigods with questionable taste in headgear meance superheroes as much as the next geek, but it's too soon for Galactus. The original FF story was basically the team fighting "God" and only winning through the alien intervention of the Watcher and the Surfer. (Utau knew he'd be out of a job if the world he was assigned to watch got blown up so he simply HAD to step in!) The only good way to play this in the movies would be to have the Surfer appear in the second movie and leave a cliffhanger for Gally's appearence in the third. This allows enough time for Norrin Rad to be humanized by the hapless Earthlings until he's ready to fight his former master.
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Good for him. Anyway, I'm just enjoying the fanboys whining about Keanu Reeves, like he isn't good enough to play a fucking comic book super hero. Yeah I know, all comic book characters are more important than Hamlet.
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That's the cheesiest thing I've seen all morning.
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I'm sure it'll be very "realistic", "plausible", "updated", "high intensity", and, most important, "marketable". In other words, it'll be designed to look good on a Burger King promotional Coke cup ("That Kirby guy had no idea what he was doing"). Fox hasn't even taken step one towards production of this film, and it's already one of the worst movies ever made. Someone, somewhere, PLEASE revoke Fox's license to make superhero movies!
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also, there is no way the kids from the FF movie are worthy adversaries. Galactus, eater of worlds, vs. Jessica Alba. christ.
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Scale your ego down 'till you arrive at the realisation that Harry couldn't give a sloppy shit what you think, and isn't bothered enough by your opinion to merit the couple of mouseclicks he'd need to ban you.
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Arad should sell used carpets in a Balkan basar and not fuck up the Marvel universe.
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it had real emotion, real heart, a real story, ok special effects and good performances. the thing and the dialogue were the only problems though, micheal chicklis did a good job, but that costume looked liked an over baked orange marshmellow at times, and some of the stuff spoken in the climax and last sequence were kinda dull. a sweet ass movie, burger king promo and action figure set overall, probably won't get my hopes up for this one though. it'll be more of the same thing. and another thing with doom, i did think they rushed it a little bit by making him the baddie of the 1st flick, i mean what made hulk an awesome movie from start to finish was that they made his dad the bad guy at the end by turning him into the absorbing man, zzaxx and creel with all that shit going on, they didn't rush into hulk fighting guys like the leader and guys like that.{i like how they did it with the video game though, oh, and also the whole good vs evil thing in these superhero flicks is kinda getting a little tiresome now, because we have non-superhero movies that have had that sort of thing for years, now. thanx.
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...if they decide to make Galactus a regular-sized guy? Because a giant planet eater is "unrealistic"? It would be horrible for the movie, but the fanspasms triggered by the news would be beyond hilarious.
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The Fantastic Four was not a great movie. I think what they did with Doom was the worst translation from comic to movie. The elements are there. I thought the script was the real thing that killed it. Leave Galactus/Surfer alone. Some things were not meant to be messed with in this world. That is one of them. Have a different villian fight them. Have the Super Skrull, the Skrulls, Puppet Master, The Mad Thinker, Dr. Doom again (done right), Diablo,the Mole Man, or even the Yancy Street Gang. Also, bring in the Fantasitcar. The modern version or the bathtub one. Make the characters act like the characters we all know and love.
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There's too much potential for 2 franchises to stick them in the same film. Silver Surfer will come to Earth all the same, but instead of meeting up with the FF, he will become friends with some newly scripted family of humans like in Lilo & Stitch. He'll probably save them from a home invasion, and go around doing a few other heroic things. Galactus will be built up throughout the film as an ominous threat, then some big final battle at the end of the film.
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You... folks... are... joking, right? Because Vin Diesel is as perfect for this role as Hulk Hogan would be for... well, this role. "Ooh, Vin's bald like Silver Surfer. He has never played anything in a movie even vaguely insinuating that he can act like Silver Surfer... or act, for that matter... but hey, he's bald."
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Alright... now we've just gotta cast Thanos, Drax the Detroyer, Adam Warlock and Captain Mar-Vell... that way we've got the fully cosmic Marvel experience.
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"To rush it, cut it short or half ass it would be a cinematic crime worthy of epic cursing and outrage and scorn." Too late. You DID see the first one right?
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BATMAN BEGINS and the upcoming SUPERMAN RETURNS are classy, faifthful products - DC comics are on a roll. MARVEL took some major hits with ELEKTRA, DAREDEVIL, THE PUNISHER, FANTASTIC FOUR and the HULK. I think Avi Arad is not taking care of the franchises the manner they deserve.
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How about fairly horrific and possibly the very worst superhero movie ever made?
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there is no surfboard.
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No offense, but how on earth can you know that? The movie hasn't even been released yet. Personally, I dont like the look of it, but at least i say that the movie LOOKS awful--not IS awful. But you are right, though--BB was a realy nifty movie. Seen it half a dozen times;)
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Thing is, I have a hard time imagining how they will show galacticus on screen. I mean, you will basically would have to do it ala Godzilla, wouldnt you? Show a big guy with a futuristic buffalo club helmet walking around time square like the gozer the gozarian. For some reason, I have a hard time thinking it would look anything other than the further adventures of Gulliver's Travels.
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Heh. Too funny.
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why the fuck not?
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Now that's brilliant casting! And why does SS need a surf board anyway? Space is a void. There's no waves. Is it maybe because surfing was all the range in the 1960s and Stan Lee was a big fan of those Frankie Avalon/Annette Funachello teeny-bopper flicks? I think so.
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...on Johnny challenging the Silver Surfer to a Snowboarding competition, with the fate of Planet Earth as the prize.
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but will be seen, communicated with, and be fought entirely in time square manhattan. Conveniently placed MTV cameras and announcers will give a play by play of every eXtreme trick employed by SS. And in the background of this epic assault on our senses, totally sick nu-metal (preferably by stained or skid mark or whatever) will be playing. Dollar signs, i tells ya. Dollar signs as far as the eye can see!!!
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As a huge fan of the original Stan Lee/Jack Kirby comic book series it pains me to say this, but the Fantastic Four movie was easily the worst comic book movie to date. Unlike John Byrne's run on the comic book series, the people behind the movie had/have absolutely NO respect for the original source material. When you consider the "liberties" that they took with the character of Doctor Doom, one can only imagine the many ways they could screw up the Silver Surfer and Galactus (although I'm sure the studio execs associated with the project will dream up ways even we could never imagine). Oddly enough, I really don't have a problem with the rumoured casting of Keannu Reeves as the Silver Surfer, but I always assumed the character was licensed out separately (remember when Olivia Newton John was attached to the project back in the seventies?). If this is the case, then I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see one of Galactus' other heralds being used in the movie (Firelord, Gabriel, etc.). In fact, I could see this story element being used at the end of the film because the original ending of Reed using the "Ultimate Nullifier" to defeat Galactus would seem too "deus ex machina" for some. If it is used, perhaps it could be turned into an interesting story device in which, during the stalemate, Frankie Raye (Johnny's girlfriend) offers up herself to becoming a herald of Galactus to save Earth (and, indeed, the universe) from total destruction. The ultimate nullifier could be revealed as being nothing more than a hoax/testing device devised by Galactus as a way of showing humans how they take the world they live in for granted, and how ready they are too destroy it. Maybe Frankie Raye sacrificing herself, rather than Reed threatening to sacrifice the entire planet, is what eventually saves Earth. Galactus could be something like the underwater aliens in James Cameron's The Abyss. In that film's original ending (which was deleted then restored for the extended DVD version), the great cities of the world are threatened by huge tidal waves which are frozen in place. The alien's message to the world is, basically, stop fucking up your planet and learn to get along. Having said all this, I still think I would prefer to see the Mole Man in the next film, and leave Galactus for the final film in the series (which, appropriately, should comprise 4 films).
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... Batman Begins rooled, and Fantastic Four drooled. Ok ok, but honestly, they couldn't have been anymore night and day from each other. In approach, quality, source, and tone. Marvel is losing points with me fast, and DC is banging out all the product we want. Wonder Woman & The Flash should be next.
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What was the bright spot, exactly? The part where the Invisible Girl was asked to turn invisible to get through the crowd because it was too dense for the others to pass (nevermind how that makes any sense), only to cut to the next scene of her turning visible again with the others right behind her. And then one of them shouts "Way to go, Sue!"
That's not even a joke. That's the actual scene. Not only is being invisible NOT the same thing as phasing, how the FUCK does her turning invisible get the rest of them through the crowd.
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. . . but D.C. is far from back on top. Batman Begins was great & Superman looks good, that's all we got. WonderWoman, Flash, Green Lantern, & countless others could get shitty films.
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They have dropped the ball hard, time and time again..how Avi still has a job is insane. I know a couple of these properties have made tons of money. But the unseen potential of these titles that has been wasted is depressing. Lets see: Punisher, Daredevil, Elektra, F4, and the Hulk all very disapointing. Spidey 1, X men 1 were just ok IMO. Xmen 2 was better and the only one to really get it right was Spiderman 2. With the exception of Elektra, these are all awesome properties with so much potential and I really wish they would take the time to really get it right. Silver surfer and Galactus should be epic, like someone above said, he eats fucking planets! And please next time around put the Punisher in NYC and make him badass not some pussy spending half the movie trying to give a parking ticket, in a bland-looking, Cinemax B action movie.
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I read it and was very unimpressed. Not bad but it didn't stood out for me.
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Feb 19, 2006 12:26:29 PM CST
FF bright spot: the dog covering his eyes with his paw
by big bad clone
just before the fire engine headed off the bridge. I must have blocked it out of my mind because whne I saw it on DVD, I fell off the couch in a laughing/crying fit. FF was proof that the movie studios could still make money on superheroes using hacks. I liked how Marvel seemed to be allowing only passionate directors do their material. Too bad The Hulk killed that idea. I even like the Hulk but I'm willing to admit it was okay. FF was just crap.
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man, i'd love to see this done on the big screen. it's not going to happen, but i'd love to see it.
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Wow...It's something I've ALWAYS wanted to see. Now I'm not a huge F4 fan...never have been, their stories are usually way too light for my liking, that's not saying that I don't like them. I enjoy it on a basic level. But Galactus, Silver Surfer, The Heralds...all AWESOME STUFF! But they couldn't even get Doom right, not to mention Sue Storm or Mister Fantastic...Now I don't normally like to knock a film before it's made but Tim Story hasn't exactly instilled me with much faith from his first endeavour. Imagine a James Cameron Galactus story? We need an EPIC storyteller for an EPIC story. Tim Story as a director suits small personal films, not GALACTUS SIZE EPICS! But hopefully he proves me wrong and knocks me off my feet...maybe this time he'll get a performance of some sorts out of Jessica Alba (If she could act as good as she looks, wow!)
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Feb 19, 2006 12:49:19 PM CST
I think it's obvious that CGI's the way to go w/Surfer
by heywood jablowme
ala the efftcts from T-2. Get Andy Serkis for the body-capture, give him Liam Neeson or Hugo Weeving's voice and what else do you need? You also have to CGI Galactus and change the outfit (sorry the Aztec demigod wearing shot-shorts emblazoned with a gint "G" has to go, unless we want to set the movie in a disco on Fire Island). Voice-Cowboy Curtis himself-Lawrence Fishburne. Also, the Watcher is a no-show. Instead, Reed creates a weapon that destroys Galactus. In order to build such a device, he enlists the help of one Tony Stark. Bam! Now you have a bridge to the Iron Man franchise (note, you hint at the armor in the FF movie, don't put Iron Man in it). Pure. Comic book/box office. Gold.
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There was a long stretch of bad superhero films going back to Superman 4, all the way through to the first couple of Batman flicks. Then, suddenly, a director approached a superhero movie with an adult attitude, and then raised the bar for how comic book films should be treated. The first "X-MEN" film. Now, they actually had to put some thought into filming comic movies. Yes, some have done better than others. But I've been for the most part, pleased with some efforts. That's why I can't understand with all the bullshit Batman movies with their neon colors and campiness, they actually turned into the horrible 60's show. Then, we get a Batman film at least respectful to the material, grounded somewhat in reality, and now that's not good enough. I loved "Batman Begins". Fantastic Four comes out, which was a little on the lighter side, and that gets bashed too. Man, you really can't please everybody!! Let's give at least some of these flicks a chance...
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Standard quantum physics. Gravity as you and I know it is just a special case of particle veloctity in a space-time curvature. You could develop a technology that surfed through space-time by distorting the technologie's morphology (shape), the way amoeba swim through water. It's possible for a being like the Siver Surfer to exist, surprisingly. Get a copy of Stephen Baxter's "Exultant" and prepare to be amazed. Gods like Galactus are also possible, within the newest physics.
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I'm no Affleck lover (and no, I didn't appreciate a black kingpin) but Daredevil is a very underrated flick IMHO. FF was a joke. And Hulk was a big "whatthefuckwasthat?"
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nice to see you stepping back from the anti-Ratner X3 hatemongering and giving a more level headed pov instead.
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fucking ridiculous. Batman Begins is a fucking masterpiece and it is the best comic book movie ever. name a better one?and if someone mentions the words man or spider in their reply may god have mercy on their souls. I will ask the same question I have been asking for months...ahem...does anyone actually like anything anymore? you guys fucking hate everything....not just the films but people actually hate the news itslef.."harry you call that news" etc etc etc what a jaded bunch of boring assholes you lot are. I don;t get why many of you bother following movies as pretty much everything that has come out is shit and everything that is coming out is shit.....even the fucking film this rumour it about this galactus sucks already. not a shot nor a script page scene but it sucks....dear dear god.
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They can use those old Godzilla sets for him to rampage. It's not like Galactus actually says much anyway, at least not in the original. (Best I can remember)
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Don't laugh. It could happen.
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Look upon him... and despair... http://tinyurl.com/mcztf
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they'll fuck it up. Its the terrible trio Arad, Story, Rothman. Hopefully in just a few more years home effects technology will be good enough that some half crazed fan WILL do this text justice.
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His name IS Norrin RADD - did they change it to "Rann" for Ultimates or something?
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Feb 19, 2006 2:42:29 PM CST
How AICN talkbackers ruined my lunch...by L.G. Phillips
by lougossetphillip
In the six years that I have been reading this site, I don't recall ever having read a single negative statement that Harry had to say about anyone or anything (he can't even bring himself to say that FF was God-awful). This of course is the reason that Harry is about as respected amongst film critics as the guy from ABC-TV Louisville. I can't tell you how shocked and proud I was when Harry started ripping into Brett Ratner a little bit. That, combined with Herc finally getting down on "Lost", made me think that perhaps this site was about to get good again. Then, just then, as mind-numbingly bizzare as it would seem, an army of Brett Ratner supporters descended upon this site. They bitched and moaned that Harry was being "mean" until Harry pretty much just issued an apology. This is Brett Ratner we're talking about, his greatest cinematic achievement thus far is having Chris Tucker get kicked in the face. Deep down we all know that X3 has no chance of being any good and yet you all just persecuted Harry for saying as much. Now any backbone that Harry might have shown in the future is lost forever. Thanks a lot.
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norrin raaaannn.. he ran so far awaaaay.. PS slappy jones made me choke on my cigarette.. hilarious.. i shouldn't be smoking in my mom's basement anyhow
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Anyone mentioned this yet? In the Ultimate books, Galactus is called Gah-Lak-Tus, and isnt a big man but a wierd huge mysterious alien organism headed for earth, ala Star Trek TMP. If the rumors are true about Galactus in FF2, I can see Hollywood going this way rather than having disco-Galactus in the flick...
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Take Tim Story out. Put in Jame Cameron. The guy who made T2 is PERFECT for making FF2 with a Galactus storyline. Think about it. With the new CGI techniques he is the only guy who can do Silver Surfer properly. I think Peter Jackson would also do a great job. Tim Sorry can only fuck it up beyond repair. Galactus would be awesome to behold on the big screen. Just needs the right director and budget.
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You suggested James Cameron first. Kudos to you. At least we know he'd be better for FF2. Avi, send him a proposal.
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Those who pointed this out are correct, the Superman films were probably much worse than FF. I forgot about those when I reached my original conclusion. Of course, it's the lamest hero ever, so, really, what do you expect?
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They just feel like horrible rip-offs. The fans are complaining, but still going so Marvel makes more tin foil covers with three different versions, and more comics in sealed bags. Everyone buys them, but each time they get alittle angrier. Eventually everyone is so angry they just stop buying and the comic industry falls apart. Start making movies and repeat the formula. Fans will take lots of shit, but we have breaking points where we just stop buying what is being sold and your brand name takes a major plunge. Marvel films is about to feel that pain. Theaters will be as empty as most comic stores. Eventually they'll push a giant reset button with someone other than Avi, things will be good for a while and then they'll fuck it up again. Anyways, can anyone tell me how the Ultimates have done Galactus, or has that not started yet.
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no pun intended, but batman begins NEVER blew chunks! don't tell me you weren't blown away by liam neeson's great performance!
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Really Harry, you keep bashing Fox but I don't hear you talking about John Carter of Mars and how long and lame the script is or that Jon Favreau is not the right guy for that project. That's if he is still on the project.
Have you thought that maybe Drew and yourself have lost credibility since you guy's are now playing filmakers. I love how Drew talks shit about Fox and their scripts considering that his shit on Masters of Horror was less then mediocre. Give it up guys. AICN has become the joke of Hollywood. -
The past 2 issues of "Ultimate Exctinction" have rocked the hizz-ous. "You'll have to leave before the others." *BZZAAPPP!!*
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They'll waste the first half of the movie introducing us to some asshole billionaire character who somehow transforms into Galactus, and the suit will be some hinky military armor prototype. Nothing new under the sun...
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Except the when he plays a california airhead. guy opens his mouth and blows it. I don't care if people liked the Matrix and made it into this cultural phenomenon I never got into. I'll never accept Keanu Reeves as anything more than a california airhead. Whoa
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the colorful costumes may work on paper, but in a live action movie they're just cheesy looking. Unless you make them black or navy blue. Even in that photoshop pix. Galactus looks like an action figure.
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i thought i would take 2 kids i know to see it and have a good time. even though i heard it sucks ass it seems to be getting good word of mouth from kids and families so that has to say something plus i like the original pink panther and i am a small peter sellers fan and a big steve martin fan. i will post my pink panther talkback review here tommorow morning.{i will probably go see it for a "dozen" laughs} get it?! "dozen" laughs...yeah.
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You know what's really hilarious? All you ASSHOLES calling Harry a "tool", a "shill", a whatever-- and then writing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE on your post. Hell, I just wrote he might be a "fat man with an axe to grind" on the X3 talkback the other day... but at least I went on to outline a plausible scenario of what I really thought might be causing Harry's utter disdain for X3. But you ASSHOLES, you just don't get it. What kind of LOSER goes on somebody's site JUST to tell the guy his "opinions don't matter anymore"? They must matter to you, you misguided masturbatory geeks, because you came HERE to specifically to tell Harry. Now before all you prepubescent schoolgirls get your thong panties in a bunch-- I'm NOT advocating that you have to idolize Harry to post here (in fact, I sincerely doubt he wants you to)... I'm just saying how about some FUCKING THOUGHTFUL CRITICISM with your daily diatribes? It's NOT Harry who needs to "take a break" but you hairy knuckled scum suckers with too much time on your hands. Go back to fantasizing about fucking your Mamas and don't post here unless you have something to say that's more thoughtful than a 2 year old. You're wasting my time. Moriarty called you out on this very same subject about a year ago... and somebody in a position of "power" here ought to fucking do it again.
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with less compelling second. Sure Bale's suit was somewhat silly but it was better than the Bat-nipples and "Pure West" belly. Scarecrow had a few good scenes but he barely made a good villian on the half hour Batman TAS. Badman got to be closer to being a badass than he has been on film so far. The movie also moved at a hell of a fast clip so there was less time to be bored (I'm looking at you Superman movies). So while there was some sucky elements here or there, it was overall good and gets you ready for another adventure. Tell me you don't want to see Joker or Two-Face in that film universe.
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WTF?1??!?!?! ...A few bright spots?? The only f'ing bright spot were the credits. Does harry even watch these movies or does he just get paid to hype them??
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I clicked to see a fanmade image?
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Guys in long underwear fighting crime. Alien beings who wear purple helmets. A silver guy flying on a SURF BOARD. It'll get all the respect it is due, believe me.
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In keeping with the first FF movie...Galactus is a master media mogul who plans to take over the planet by subjecting humans to a weapon that will hypnotize him. But he turns really really really tall in a freak accident...becomes demented and plans on EATING everything. Enter the FF who fight a lot because Johnny is full of himself, Reeed won't give it to Sue on a steady basis, and Ben is all lumpy when he should really have the classic rocky angles of The Thing we all know and love...
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---> "them"
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How was it a sucky movie? It finally approached Batman in a realistic manner. That pisses you off? It should have been campy or over the top? like burtons gothic and clownish batman movies?
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and FF was one of the worst pieces of shit i've ever seen. i ordered it on comcast indemand and still wanted my money back. i laughed the whole time, and not b.c there was anything funny. only good part was the half-naked jessica alba parts.
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But it's a superhero comic book movie. The people who liked BB because it was grittier or more realistic are the same people who think playing Half Life 2 makes them cooler than people who play Mario Kart. You're still lame. Superhero movies aren't supposed to be realistic. I don't need a detailed accounting log of where exactly and for how much money Batman purchases his cowls. The problem with these kinds of movies trying to be realistic is that when you inevitably get to the part with the phychosis gas and the water microwave, it somehow seems even sillier. So yes, I greatly prefer Burton's Batman. But, BB wasn't bad. It just took itself way too seriously in an attempt to make comic book fanboys feel like grownups.
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It wasn't meant to be campy like Batman Forever or Batman & Robin.
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It's pure poop. Imagine if a hack soap-opera writer had written Ultimates, and the Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends animators had produced the script. It's crap! Don't waste your money. (Sorry I'm off-topic. To get back to the topic, stop saying Fantastic Four was the worst superhero film ever made. Batman & Robin was the worst superhero film ever made. No, wait, I take it back. Batman & Robin was the worst *film* ever made. No, wait, I take it back. Batman & Robin was the worst THING ever made. There might be a clay tablet buried somewhere that's worse, but I don't think so.)
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Most won't admit it but cheesy shit like Batman & Robin or the lameness of FF is the kind of comic book movie they really want to see, and they want to see them with early '90s MTV blaring away in the background whilst they stuff their faces with nachos, bragging to their buddies about comic books they read that were out before they were born but they were there. The only thing I didn't like about BB (but got over after I saw it again) was trying not to laugh when Bale was having conversations as Batman with that crazy growling voice. It's OK when he's shouting at someone, but the rest of the time... It doesn't mar the movie though.
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And therefore, with the same crappy director, there probably won't be any bright spots in FF2.
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Because it's an opportunity for 2 seperatte franchises. Introduce Silver Surfer, he befriends a human family ala Lilo & Stitch, stops a few robberies and a home invasion, then a big climatic battle with Galactus, with the SS saving Earth because he has been introduced to our culture or some bs. Sad but true.
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If you're not going to explore Batman in a different manner at this point. Why redo a batman movie? Batman Begins tackled the concept in a new way and after 4 ridiculous over the top batman movies. That was refreshing.
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I can't see anyone taking an enormous guy with a big "G" on his belt seriously as a major, EPIC, movie. On the other hand, the way Ultimate Gah-lak-tus works would be awesome to see on film.
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I didn't like the Spider-Man, X-men and Hulk movie and FF of course. I'll admit Spidey & X-men are probably the best incarnations you could do of those comics, but for the most part I found them dull, lifeless and uninspiring. My fav superhero movie is the original Superman & SupsII. So it's not easy for me to like a superhero movie and liked Batman Begins. I didn't feel like my intelligence was being insulted. Bruce Wayne even questions the concept of a Bat Man. I could relate to Bruce. The writers humanized him. That made me cheer him on and accept the character. I'll admit the movie starts slow and it's not a movie I like to watch everyday, but I respect it and look forward to where the Batman Franchise is going and hopefully it's not Jim Carey sticking a plunger onto his forhead.
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What, because he talks like a surf dude? Jesus Fuck. Put down the crack pipe.
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MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN IN SUIT! MAN...
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did silver surfer become bland all the sudden?
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Albert Neri sleeps with the fishes.
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I'm almost impressed with myself.
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With all due respect, Batman Begins was boring and too long. The Scarecrow character would have been cool if he hadn't been neutered by the script and the piss poor direction (seriously, why would you let everyone know upfront that it's a drug instead of presenting "nightmare Scarecrow" as reality AND THEN revealing that it's a drug?). The whole movie felt so plodding and meticulously overwritten that any possible ounce of joy was sucked out along with all traces of life. And if you want to prove that Batman's straight, hire an actress that actually registers onscreen (and try giving her more than 2 lines in the process). I actually think Katie Holmes is a good actress and like her, but she was only given a few token scenes that she didn't pull off at all.
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"I'm gonna eat your world, Brother!" Where is that guy who usually does the Hogan posts? This is his job! Damn!
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And so, I will leave you here...'
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Wow. Assholes.
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Feb 19, 2006 10:38:21 PM CST
"Batman & Robin was the worst superhero film ever made"
by thegoddamnsiege
Clearly you haven't seen Steel.
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Onside worships the ground of..., the other thinks he(she) is hell spawn..., onside thinks everyone is a plant, the other actualy believes all of this drivel represents a life well spent. ALL OF YOU GROW UP. GET JOBS. STOP READING COMICS AS IF THEY WERE REAL, THEY'RE JUST STORIES - SOME GREAT OTHER NOT SO GRAET. IT'S ABOUT FUN! These movies will get made without your feedback, despite your beliefe that some-hollywood-type actually believes your input is valuable - why? - cuase it's about money. The 'shitty batman made money. The cool batman sorta made money. The people who own the rights want to make titanic money. Peter Jackson, may be the only one to get it right so far. Thus, we can hope for the future....... and that's all we got it hope. So sit back, STFU, and let the dweeb do his self appoined job of praising some, and deficating on others like his words actually have meaning in the real world. When we've all passed from this mortal coil and they look back in 100 years - will any of this have mattered or improved the human condition? I think not. Sheesh.
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my bad - sorry - spell check deficient.
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Sort of like the Ocean's flicks.
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Feb 19, 2006 11:12:31 PM CST
RE:RE: "finally approached Batman in a realistic manner
by abcdefghijklmnop
I tend to agree with 'I Dunno'. You can try to make the film as realistic as possible, but at some point, the main character is going to dress up as a bat.
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I just watched Batman Begins twice this weekend and it holds up very well. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Bateman in the cowl (his jaw comes off so beefy), his performance and the story were top knotch. However, Ultimate Avengers is just plain bad. No plot that I could really get a grasp of. No real "heroes among us" moments. Just lots of fighting without any sense of it all.
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Looks like Toho's newer stuff with some really good miniatures and production, which somehow is very fitting for Galactus.*** Silver Surfer should be physically like Robert Patrick/ T-1000, Ryan Reynolds or even Paul Walker would do.
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...It's good to know that somebody is thinking along the same lines as me...now if only Hollywood would do the same thing, natch! Now...Batman Begins is a comic book movie, sure...and I think it retains some of the larger than life events that squarely places it into the comic book realm. Over the past 20 years or so Batman has been a very dark 'n gritty "real" comic book that revels on Batmans humanity. He's the only really human super hero (GL doesn't count he has that damn ring) and the stories/villains all fall along this "realistic yet set in a comic book world" line. They're normally psychos, mobsters with a couple mutants involved here and there. I think the approach to the Batman Begins movie was almost perfect (perhaps it took things a little too seriously but I loved it)...I don't at all think that the tone of the first FF was wrong, it should be light-hearted. But to screw up possibly the best Marvel Villain is in itself villainous. But I suppose it's not all Tim Story's fault...sometimes Producers cast actors before they've even set a director and Alba is hot at the moment so I'm sure that was a Producer casting. At least they got Thing (ugh costume) and Johnny Storm right which made the film watchable. Oh...I absolutely LOVED HULK! Clearly I'm the only one...
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Snooch! You know you want it. Anchorite and Moviemack, I stopped listening to your constant anti-Batman Begins rants about...the time I saw it and thought it was the most brilliant interpretation of a superhero ever. Period. Really, you need to pick a new movie to hate. No one's buying it anymore.
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I respect your opinions and admiration for Batman Begins. I will explain why I dislike the movie so much. First, Bale is a little old to be playing Year One Batman. Bale is what, 32? 32 is the age where we tell the story of Batman Year Seven. I would have preferred someone younger. Like, in his early to mid twenties. The scriptwriting was too 'convenient-in-a-bad-way' because it (the script) wanted to tell you something character-driven at one point in the story, and contradicts itself later on. For example, Wayne was lost and needed to be found. I'll buy that. Then he ventures into Ra's Al Ghul's temple and learns how to be a ninja. If Wayne was so against Ducard's belief system, and went out of his way to destroy the temple and Ken Watanabe, who he thinks is Ghul, and the rest of the ninjas... then why did he save Ducard? Oh yeah, so Ducard can come back later on and become enemy number one to Bale's Batman <--- Oh yeah, so that the Average Joe moviegoer will be happy for Batman's love interest because there's closure now and she knows who he is. If I was Batman, especially Year One Batman, I'd be paranoid as f-ck wondering if people knew I was really bruce Wayne under the mask. Batman can't move his neck either. How do you fight and be aware of your surroundings when you can't really move your neck in the suit? Let me know if you want me to go on, because there are more flaws that I could point out.
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Sorry, one person's 'flaws' is another's nitpicks. I never thought about any of the stuff you mentioned - and he saved Ducard because it was an immediate life and death situation and walking away would have been cowardly and he felt a bond with his teacher. And the neck thing, I'm sorry, but it's fricken' Batman. You might as well say "I find the whole concept of dressing up like a bat a bit unrealistic."
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"And the neck thing, I'm sorry, but it's fricken' Batman.You might as well say "I find the whole concept of dressing up like a bat a bit unrealistic." I've at least backed myself up with some valid arguements. Now, I would like for those people who love Batman Begins to tell me why it's a 'masterpiece'.
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You said, "...and he saved Ducard because it was an immediate life and death situation and walking away would have been cowardly and he felt a bond with his teacher." This was the trap that the scriptwriter wanted you to believe. He/she was too lazy to investigate other possibilites, so this particular writer threw in the cheap and cliche 'must-save-teacher-even-though-he's-evil... because-he-was-my-teacher' additive into the story. Then later on, throw in 'Oh!-teacher-is-out-of-control-evil...must-kill-him-now-tomake-audience-happy.'
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you make good points about holes in the plot and flaws in character logic. i'll bottom line you on why i like this movie, and probably why most folks who like it do: when it comes to comic book movies, it's got more of a brain in its head than most. and for batman movies in particular, it's the brainiest and most grown-up of all. it at least makes an attempt to explain some of the bits about batman that other films didn't. that's it. it's a good (not perfect) superhero film, and the best of the batman films. i'm looking forawrd to the next nolan batman. it's actually a good time for comic book films. you have raimi doing a great job with spiderman (everyone hates 2 now, it seems; i liked it a lot), nolan doing a great job with batman, singer doing fine with the first two xmen, singer now on superman... it's nice to see these characters getting good tratment from people who respect the material, more or less.
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...the hard core comic fans want a panel by panel reproduction of their "sacred text". Just consider it the story board. They can't grasp the reality of having to re shape things (not drastically) to fit a different medium. When FOTR came out, I heard folks dismiss it just cause Tom Bombadil was left out.
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Man, you're going to be pissed when you find out Talia was able to save Ra's in time to get him to the Lazarus pit. Silly boy, you forgot the age old rule that if you don't actually see them die, they probably aren't dead. As he says in the movie 'But is Ra's al Ghul immortal? Are his methods supernatural?'
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I'll tell you why Batman Begins has alot of us so fired up. Because they nailed the whole core charcter of Wayne and his guilt/rage...never got that in the other films...How he had to harness that fear and anger and focus it to become a myth...never got that in the other films. And how we got realistic, practical explanations of equipment and gear ( no matter how improbable) that made the suspension of disbelief that much easier...never got that in the other films. Or how we got a human "non super" arch villan free of cheesy one-liners...never got that in the other films. How about a Gordon how actually contributed to the story...never got that in the other films. On and on...Look, the whole plan that Liam was cooking up against Gotham wasn't all that great for example...I wouldn't give it masterpiece status, but Nolan laid down a rock solid foundation in a gritty setting...no neon colors, nipples on bat suit etc. You don't have to say it's great but at least say it's the only Batman movie that matters.
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We're talking about the 'Nolan' movie, here. "Silly boy, you forgot the age old rule that if you don't actually see them die, they probably aren't dead." -paddington Yes, so those ninjas that Batman let go at the end of the Nolan movie should be plotting Wayne's demise in the Nolan sequel. Or, better yet, tell the world that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Because like you've just said, we didn't see them die.
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I can see not buying him killing Ducard, or balking at the suggestion that Ducard "killed" Wayne's dad (which then makes it okay to kill Ducard, as anyone who watches movies knows). That part pissed me off. But saving Ducard? Okay, whatever. Someone needs some NyQuil.
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He had just refused to execute a murderer, so of course he's going to try and rescue his mentor. He would have tried to rescue all of the other people too if he could have. The irony of the whole situtation is that the murderer probably ended up dying in the fire. Batman does not kill, which was my primary gripe with Burton's 1st. Bats was killing people left and right. First he killed Joker's henchmen in the chemical plant with a bomb, a fucking bomb! The bomb was also an attempt on Joker's life, and then at the end he lets Joker fall to his death. That ain't Batman, and don't get me started on Vicki Vale. The only scene in Burton's 1st that felt like Batman to me was the first scene on the rooftop with the crooks, that was the bat's tits.
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Why, as the scriptwriter, make Ducard a three-dimensional character, and everyone else at the ninja acadamy cookie cutter and one-dimensional? This is to trick the audience into thinking that they should care for Ducard so that Bale can get away with saving him. Why did Wayne destroy the temple? Because the scribe wanted us to think that Wayne thinks he can stop Ghul's evil intentions buy burning down the temple. Well, then why didn't Wayne burn down every last flesh with the temple to rid the world from 'ninjas' with Ghul-like motivations even if that meant Ducard, too? I wasn't sure where the screenwriter was going with Wayne's motivation at the moment that he decided to burn down the temple. Why didn't Wayne save every last drop of ninjas at the burning acadamy? Because they were written as one-dimensional to not compete with Ducard's character so that we, as the audience, can buy that it's okay for the other lifeless characters to blow up, and not Ducard... because Ducard 'talked' with Wayne in more than three scenes.
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...he didn't try to kill every ninja. And he probably didn't even do that, considering Ducard had an entourage when he paid Wayne a visit in Gotham City (or maybe he found new recruits, but the point is moot). You're assuming he decided to kill everybody when there's no evidence to suggest that. In fact about five minutes before he decided to kill everybody, he refused to kill a murderer. I'm pretty sure he set off the explosion simply because it was the only way he could have broken outta that joint.
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The moment you start a fire in a building with over twenty body counts and pull out your sword at someone, the intentions of death are pretty clear. Wayne knew (or should know) that fire and sharp objects can kill. Okay, I'm sure he just wanted to evade... but then why take on your enemies' symbol? What symbol? The sharp Bat forearm fins. I just blew up a Nazi temple, I will now go out into the night as a vigilante with the Swastika on my forearms so the other surviving Nazis can point me out. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
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BB just lacked the 'wow' factor. The first time he says 'I'm Batman' had nothing on Keaton's delivery of the line. Nolan spent so much time on getting down to the essence of the character, he forgot to give with the showmanship (always a big part of Batman's methods). F4 did have some great elements. The 'flame on' scene and the final showdown especially. The teamwork was straight out of a Byrne book. But Reed should never say 'guy' heh. And anyone finding any value in Batman & Robin or Batman Forever...
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...now you're talking about something else entirely. I'm not here to prove to you that there was nothing wrong with the movie, because there was, I was just sort of surprised to see anyone complaining about Wayne saving Ducard.
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I will be disappointed if the next movie doesn't have a few scenes with him in Latveria. And I just want more of Chris Evans behaving like a smartass.
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When Keaton said it, the only realistic reaction I could think a criminal would have is to laugh in his face. When Bale said it, I could actually imagine that the criminals would be scared shitless. Let's face it, Burton's Batman was great for its day (the late 80s), but it just doesn't hold up. In BB, a truly post 9/11 superhero film, I actually could see how a villain like Ducard/Ghul could want a city destroyed to 'purify' it. The microwave thing was just a maguffin anyway - it was about the character and the theme, not the technical stuff. Name one superhero film that doesn't have a nonsensical technical device.
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Any one remember that story...that would be cool....where the FF had to go get galactus for help against the spinks....and galactus made the spinks relive his puny life,over and over again...
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it was UTTERLY HYSTERICAL!! i laughed out loud a lot during the zippy 90 minutes leading up to beyonce singing "check on it" during the end credits. i thought steve martin, who's good in almost anything he does, played a good part here. sure, NOBODY can top peter sellers, but guess what? that's a good thing. and some of the stuff with clive owen as "006" was obvious but funny. kevin kline and jean reno were also ok as well in this on and off in-joke,drug and gay joke filled, live action and cartoon. yeah, it gets 2 thumbs down and this was never meant to be a "cover-up of the old classics" but this is just another casual piece of work where you don't really give a shit what the critics say.
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in BB really took me out of the movie. I loved it, and still watch it... but why do that? Why say, "They shouldn't want to bomb the city or set it on fire, or even cut everyone in half (which are all far more realistic... yes even the cutting one) they should have some extremely complicated plan that involves putting hypno powder in the water for months, and then using a giant microwave emitter to super heat it and make it airborne and then people go crazy and everyone kills eachother!!" It's the same end result of bombing the place, except the buildings of course. It was a completely uncessary, and totally retarded "evil genius" plan. It *really* belonged in Austin Powers, not a supposedly "serious" and "realistic" Batman movie.
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I'm pretty sure the original reason he had a surf board is because the Beach Boys and surfin' movies were cool in the 60s. But that was also back in the day when his board also had a little fin on the bottom like a real surfboard. The in-continuity explanation for the board is that it allows him to fly REALLY fast through space without having to expend any of his own energy to do so. It's telepathically linked to him, so he can just sit back, tell it what star system he wants to fly to, and have deep philosophical thoughts without having to worry about getting tired or stopping to ask directions. Personally, I think Silver Surfer should be introduced in an FF movie with Galactus rather than getting his own flick before they even know whether he's going to be popular enough to warrant one. He should come in heralding Galactus' approach to earth, the FF should fight him. He should wipe the floor with them and not even break a sweat. And he shouldn't refer to himself as "Silver Surfer". That should be a sarcastic moniker bestowed on him by Ben Grimm. "What're you some kinda silver surfer? Ya look like the hood ornament off an ol' Mercury like my Aunt Petunia used ta drive! C'mere beach boy, it's clobberin' time!"
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OK, I'm not sure why this discussion is even being had in this talkback, but...
The microwave emitter didn't necessarily have to kill people. Just because they have a lot of water in their bodies, it isn't in liquid form and would take longer to heat up than water. Even saliva is less fluid than water. If the microwave emitter could be set at a certain level that would only target a liquid the consistency of water, it could work. And being a slightly science fiction movie, I can buy that it did have the equivalent of a "WATER IN LIQUID FORM" setting. Think about a microwave oven. A bowl of water will heat up a lot faster than a potato. The few seconds that the emitter was over someone on the street below apparently wasn't long enough to do any real harm to them. Maybe it just evaporated their saliva, giving them cotton mouth, or something.
And Doc Martigan, the reason they didn't bomb the city was that they wanted it to be covered up as a natural disaster or something. Remember, they said that they had engineered the black plague? They didn't want anyone trying to trace an act of terrorism back to its source.
With bombs blowing up the city, it would have been obvious to see that it wasn't an accident. And if they hadn't had any interferrence from Batman, it would have probably come off looking that way. Or at least not leaving enough clues for anyone to be able to figure out whether it was a deliberate act or an accident. -
Would be to make him like a Silver Ghost (a Stephen Baxter idea) . The reflective surface starts off as big silver beach ball, but then the proto-Surfer sees actual surfers, and decides to model himself after them. Kind of what happened in 'Starman' with Jeff Bridges. The silver reflectivity is due the fact that it's his space suit. He's from the interior of the Galaxy, and lives in the heart of one of its suns. Our space is one big heat sink to him.
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I see what you're saying, but post 9/11 or not, it's a superhero movie. As someone already said, realism is fine to a point, but disbelief is suspended the second he makes the decision to dress up as a bat to combat crime. Keaton or Bale, a criminal would laugh regardless. He's dressed like a bat! However, within 'Burton-land' it was a much more defining moment. Everyone was quoting that line in 89 (hey! A rhyme! Maybe another time...). Fine. That was his big entrance and it worked great. Nolan's take on the same (ish) debut was... bland. A good film overall, but just not enough spectacle (if that's the word) for me. And I can't wait to see the Surfer do air guitar
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SPLATT! eeeeewwwwwww.... (I can't believe nobody went there...)
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It thought This was about FF2? What's the sense in rules sometimes?
BB was way better than any of it's predecessors. Why? That interogation scene that takes place 7 stories up in the rain. It makes the intro in the 89 film seem really tame.
FF2? If any of what has been posted becomes real I hope they can pull it off. I can't say that FF1 was one of my favorite movies. -
Don't get me wrong, a terrible script, but I thought it was well cast with the exception of Doom. They really missed the boat. Still, there were some nice character moments and all of the Four nailed their characters. I even liked Alba with her obviously fake hair.
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Galactus will look stupid as a direct translation.
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It fits the proven formula how the more his character finds out along the way, the better the movie is for it overall. Lookit all the good movies he's been in compared to the bad. The barometer is how much an ignoramus Keeanu is. "Less? GooOOooD! More BaaAAaad!" I wasn't an FF1 hater like most of you. Quite the opposite, although I don't count myself an apologist either. That said, I don't think Neo would hurt this franchise. In fact, I think he'd help it in a major way. Look beyond your hatred and perhaps you may agree. After all, if you already hate, there's no disappointing you. This is how I've approached Singer's HORRENDOUS adaptations of the X-Men.
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hUH?
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I mean, birdy - nice. Like the explanation. Frankly, what makes Ducard's plan work for me is that it's a fantastic way of amping up the theme of the film with fear driving everyone nuts - especially when everyone's afraid of terrorists these days. Fit perfect with the film. As for the 'I'm Batman' moment - sure, if you want a cheesy, cartoon moment (though actually the Batman animated series was better than both the Burton and Schumacher films), then Keaton's moment works. It wasn't supposed to be a 'moment' or a 'big entrance' in BB - it wasn't going for a tag line to be quoted. And it wasn't trying to imitate Keaton. It was supposed to be something genuinely happening. And I'm sorry, but with Bale's crazy ass eyes (hell, he's scary without the costume) and that voice, anyone would be scared shitless if they were on the receiving end of that. Bale's Batman was vicious - just the way I'd imagine him. Keaton? Well, as I said, different time, different standards. I wasn't a kid when Burton's Batman came out, so I guess I was never that impressed with Keaton. Sure I enjoyed them. I respected Burton's films and his style, but Burton's Batman was just that - Burton's Batman - these were Burton films that happened to be about Batman. Whereas Nolan's felt more organic and authentic - he wasn't depending so much on a 'vision' of Batman. He just gave us Batman. The film wasn't a 'Nolan' film. It was a Batman film. And that will always be superior in my book. Of course, what any of this has to do with Galactus, I have no idea.
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The big G has to what he is in the the main universe and not the crap that in the Ulitmate universe. Please don't give Fox any ideas. Ultimate Galactus may be more economical, but do we really want to see a drone that is shaped liked the classic galactus helmut come down and spray a virus to kill all life? We've seen movies about a killer virus, no the original Galactus that drains the life energy from entire worlds is what i want to see.
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I just don't see no way on Earth that with the current regime in charge over at FOX that this film is going to be done right with Galactus and the SS. If FOX plows ahead with this people, then prepare yourselves for a big disappointement. I've never urged anyone against boycotting a film to send a message to the suits but this will be the one and my first. I hate to judge a film without seeing the final product, but given Fox's track record I don't need to see it, they will phuck it up big time. I like Tim Story, but the man is out of his league. Also add the fact that Story was just a small director for hire who was brought in to shoot the film and nothing more. F4 was already to go so any young director who's cheap and won't talkback would have done. Fox is never going to ante up the budget for an epic like this. Marvel will allow Fox to rape and water down Galactus and SS. Yeah I can see the need for some cutbacks, like SS not always in his silver form and reverting to his humanoid form at times, now that I can understand. I can also understand Galctus not showing up until the end of the movie and he's the climaxx. I can list a ton of other things that this film already has going against it but why bother. Maybe if the F4 was at Sony or Universal, then I'd feel a litte better, but FOX? No way in hell will this be good.
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Will he be screwed uped as well? I'm burning mad cause this has so much potential and FOX can get it right if they want to. We don't need another Superhero flick 101 like the first F4 was. it's like they had a checklist of the do and don't and the safest route to go when thay made f4. No imagination was put forth period. Their was nothing fantastic about the F4. No wonderous devices that reed invented. The F4 was only good comic wise. I mean can you imagine the potential again with this. A tormented Surfer who slowly gains his humanity back with the help from Alicia. He turns against his master after realizing the evil and destruction to whole races and civilizations. The fact that Galactus messed with his mind and supressed his humanity, There is just so much gold in an F4 movie with the SS and Galactus. I just domn't see FOX doing it right.
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You can bet in typical hollywood suit fashion that a giant alien isn't going to fly do to King Kong's less then expected box office take. Just do the Moleman Fox, and leave the SS and Galctus in the comics.
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The Silver Surfer is bar none my favorite superhero (if you can call him one), and Coming of Galactus is one of the best comic stories ever written. My favorite by Stan Lee. How can they even consider Tim Story for something of this magnitude. More of a task for Ridley Scott or Peter Jackson (as though they would even CONSIDER a comic book movie). And Reeves as the Surfer? Norrin Radd is a SCIENTIST. This just rings of Tara Reid in Alone in the Dark. I agree that Johnny Depp would be better, he even looks kinda like an alien.
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The Silver Surfer is bar none my favorite superhero (if you can call him one), and Coming of Galactus is one of the best comic stories ever written. My favorite by Stan Lee. How can they even consider Tim Story for something of this magnitude. More of a task for Ridley Scott or Peter Jackson (as though they would even CONSIDER a comic book movie). And Reeves as the Surfer? Norrin Radd is a SCIENTIST. This just rings of Tara Reid in Alone in the Dark. I agree that Johnny Depp would be better, he even looks kinda like an alien.
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...I have to say the Surfer, as originally depicted by Kirby and Lee, falls well within his demonstrated range. In fact, I suspect Keanu has patterned his non-character, off-screen personality in large part on the Surfman. That whole mysterious, wide-eyed silence routine. Not necessarily wonder, but curiosity. Like a cat might look at you, with nary a trace of emotion. Yeah, he could do the part. Whether or not he SHOULD do it in the very kid-targeted FF universe Story has created is another matter entirely. I don't have a lot fo the problems many folks do with FF. It was aimed at kids and kids loved it. In fact, pull out the two scenes where we see gaping holes in the people Doom has blasted, and you have a pretty perfect kids' comic movie. Folks who bitch about it sound like jealouos older siblings pissed off that the baby of the comic geek family is being catered to (unless they complain about the Thing's appearance being inaccurate, in which case they just sound like latter-day fanboys with no appreciation for the many historically accurate nods - including Ben's early appearance - that the movie gave us). Of course, if they were able to adapt Doom and all his darkness for the kids, maybe they can do it with Galactus, as well. That would kind of diappoint me (like the adaptation of Doom kind of disappointed me). But to write off the whole FF franchise as some sort of failure when it clearly acheived all it set out to and more is, well, not incredibly perceptive. As for the tiny surge of hate for Batman Begins, that kind of shocks me. Any of you complaining how much it sucked and how stoopid it was are clearly NOT comparing it to any of the previous Bat films or, really, any other comic-property-turned movie in the history of the beast. Because by those standards, it's definitely one of the best and most faithful tot he spirit of the source material (right up there with Superman, Spidey 1 & 2 and X-Men 1 & 2). I think you're all still comparing your comic movies to the "dream" movies you'd make if you had the power and influence (and money were no object). That's sad, because it's preventing you from enjoying some very solid interpretations of some iconic characters.
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ARRRGGG too....many....jokes..!
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