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Who will be putting words into CAPTAIN AMERICA's mouth?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a bit of possible coolness from the folks at IGN. They got the scoop on just who will be writing up the screenplay for Marvel's CAPTAIN AMERICA flick.
You may have heard Avi Arad's non-comment on the movie (that it's happening, essentially, but we've known that since Marvel announced it was developing it's own projects) recently where he hinted that they had a director and leading man being eyed, but they made no mention of a screenwriter.
IGN has it that regular comic book adaptor David Self is scripting the movie. Self adapted the great ROAD TO PERDITION and has also written up scripts for two Marvel properties that haven't gone into production yet: DEATHLOK and SUB-MARINER.
I loved ROAD TO PERDITION and Avi keeps telling everybody just how great his SUB-MARINER script is, so I'm game to see his take on the All-American (Marvel) Superhero. Just as long as he forces Marvel and Arad to spend as much time in WW2 combat as possible. I'd personally love to see the whole thing set period with maybe the ending hinting at the Cap'n being iced and awoken in modern time. I don't know about you, but I just want to see that Red, White and Blue shield bustin' Nazi skulls!
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Thank fucking God. Someone with at least the slightest bit of dignity... Self isn't great, but he's a step up from the usual bankrupt writers they often tap. Yikes.
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first?
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And the timing is perfect, too. Haven't you heard how popular America is right now?
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So you want Captain America to be Encino Man?
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I think its safe to say that they'll go in the Ultimate direction but you gotta think that there are some diehard purists that will poo themselves. then again they may remember those terrible old captain america live action movies
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Yes, Harry, you are right on about setting the whole first movie in WWII! A hero with super soldier serum flowing through his veins fighting in a "Band of Brothers" reality. That would be incredible if done right. Plus it would give Cap a whole context for the audience to believe that it's strange for him to be in modern times. And our country needs a great patriotic movie. It seems everyone's a patriot and nobody is. All we need to make all our wishes come true is to have Giant Man pulling Cap out of the ice in Captain America 2. Let's rap with Cap!!
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that was my reaction to road to perdition. watchable, yes, but didn't exactly light anything or anyone on fire. captain america otoh is a classic. he deserves writing with some stature, some gravitas.
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It'll be sweet. Like Jarhead, but with a guy in a blue costume and a shield.
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Ultimates. Oh, and Avi, please, I beg you, go with Bryan Hitch's Ultimates 2 helmet design, and not the Ultimate 1 design, and certainly not the friggin' temple-wings!
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Those words should come out of his mouth.
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just screams of one of those campy films where the main character(s) is the butt of every joke like they used to make in the bad old days. See triumphs of cinema such as Suburban Commando, Masters of the Universe, Star Trek 4 (sorry, it's rubbish).
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Capts' first words could be, "Bring 'em on". Then he could kick ass, beating up the cowardly terrorists. Then there would be a sad moment when he hears of the stupid liberals protesting for the soldiers to come back to America. In a twist, North Korea would send over a race of radioactive supermutants to attack the underfended West Coast. The movie would end with Capts saying "Mission accomplished" and flying back to America to fight the mutants and save the stupid liberals who will finally appreciate him at the end of Captain America II: Insurgency's Last Throes. It practically writes itself.
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The definitive Cap right now is Ed Brubaker's current run on the comic book with his "winter soldier" arc, it's had the fan base in a state of bitter dispute, but it's mostly been accepted. I hope they eventually adapt "winter soldier" to a movie, that flick would rule!
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Yeah. Captain America. High fuckin' art. He needs to be a tough guy, period.
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After wanting a Cap movie for years, I hope this project stops in its tracks. Hollywood will ruin this character.
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political commentary we will have to live through.
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so lets not all suit up in our gay spandex just quite yet...
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You know this to be true.
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not true, the ending to A.I was just awe-inspiring
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...with Yor as Captain America? Ye gods, that thing reeked.
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your sarcasm.
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you liked that? Are you on crack? But seriously, as soon as he was in the ice and was sinking to the bottom of the ocean, it should've ended. It was a great movie until the aliens came and did all that shit with him. So, unless he has no creative control of the ending, no Spielberg. I mean, shit, did you see War of the Worlds or Munich? Fuck that!
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Why don't we go ahead and make Brad Pitt Cap and he can get his bud George Clooney to direct? Clooney has probably combed through all of that old Nazi footage already.
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those weren't aliens at the end of A.I, they were highly evolved robots, descendents of the ones during the film, and I wasn't being sarcastic, I liked the A.I ending, so pfuii
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Dude, I am a total left wing lunitic who also happens to be a real diehard patriot. I just don't like what the current regime is doing to our country. That said, Captain America was my favorite comic as a kid. When I started reading him Vietnam was just ending and he was jumpingrooftops with that Falcon guy. I would love to see Cap placed back in the WWII era for half of the film kicking the shit out of the cocksucking NAZI fucks...then see him unfrozen in modern times and see him totaly disillusioned with military and government when he finds corruption like the "Nuke" story-line from Frank Miller's Dare Devil run. I think that would be tight. Point out that even though there are shit heels in charge...America could still be great again, and could still stand for something good.
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While I do not agree with violence in any way calling terrorist cowards is technically incorrect. It would take enormous balls to die for something you believe in. Never forget that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. That said if the Palestinians would have followed the way of Ghandi and MLK they would have their own country now and the Islamofacsist thugs would have less to use in getting the proletariot of their countries to sacrifice themselves for.
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more like. As for WOTW, I was glad the end of the Martians (for that is how I'll always think of them) was true to the book, but yes, the family-reunion ending was sacharrine and sentimental. Munich though, I thought ended brilliantly. Brilliantly. Sorry, needed the emphasis there. What could you possibly have against the ending of Munich, iamnicksaicn?
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uh-oh, Captain America, sounds suspiciously like some right wing jingoist fascist fantasy superhero. The Liberals are going to be up in arms about a guy who likes to defend America from its enemies, instead of sitting down to talk to them and ask them why they're so angry at us. Captain America, go kick some foreigner ass!!!!
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Is he going to play himself in the movie? Is Chuck Liddell going to be the main villain? Why is this Avi Arad guy talking about producing it, instead of Dana White?
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I beg to differ. If you really read the Cap comics you will see that he stands for real American values like Justice, Equality, Freedom...and not some Fox News, Gleen Beck style jingoist bullshit. Read the comics. There are many times that he not only questions those who give him orders his disobeys orders he feel go against the values he believed in in 1945. Even in the Ultimates run he still believes in old fashioned American values...not the new(NEO) kind(CON) that are being heralded. You know the kind I mean...fear monger etc. Cap would have beat the shit out of Don Rumsfeld and ate chicken soup out of Wolfadicks skull when he found out that they sent ourboys to die on a lie to protect their own political posisition and that of a bunch of fat Saudi dickheads. The day after 9/11 Cap should have been in Saudia Arabia cleaning out the House of Saud with the tip of his boot.
So, no, Cap isn't an imperialist...he's a patriot. Like the men who gave their lives in WWII (his era) n -
Captain America? That kind of propaganda shit worked in WWII but come on. Maybe if they turn it into a Republican gay porno or something.
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It will be an abomination unto all that is holy and halfway sensible.
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Outside the U.S., this shit ain't gonna fly. Nuff said. Nuff said.
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...this is the same folks that just released a frickin GAY COWBOY MOVIE honestly thinking that was what their audience wanted to see. You know DAMN well that the ruling Hollywood elite would never let a rah rah "Go USA!" film out of the chute without somehow polluting it with their liberal dribblings. It's be something like 'Captain America comes back to modern day USA...is saddened by Republicans, becomes captain United Nations and begins pushing for worldwide socialism with his new sidekick Bono'.
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Way I see it, if you can get away with Superman's suit, it's not such a big leap. Then again, I'm not a big Superman fan and tend to luagh at his suit... so... um... yeah... Peace.
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Number one- you are actually witty and funny. That last bit was clever. Bullshit...but clever bullshit which is more than I can say for most of the reactionaries lurking out there tonight.
Number Two- "Brokeback" did some serious per-screen business so people did want to see them some gay cowboys. I'm an expert on western films and there is plenty of gay stuff out there already.
number three- Cap(Played by Heath Ledger...I know he's an aussie but an aussie owns the biggest right wing propaganda outlet out there so why not?) would not be impressed with the neo-con corporate hacks running the show. He would probably ass rape them with Bucky (played in the film by Jake Gylenhall)
number four- the Bono thing is still balls out funny.
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Wow, Self pretty much stretched that Road to Perdition credit for all its worth.
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It's kind of like why I'm not a fan of Phish. I liked Bouncing Round The Room and I get that they're talented. I just can't stand so many of the types that come out of the woodwork at the mention of their name. Also, the flag is meant to be hung, not worn. It's a respect issue. Peace.
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You know the WWII portion is going to occupy just the first 5-10 minutes of the film and a handful of flashbacks. It'll obviously be more thorough than Magneto's set-up in the original "X-Men", but I can't imagine them basing almost the whole film in that time period, thereby causing a major 'disconnect' with the audience. "Call of Duty" FPSes selling out the ass, "Band of Brothers", and the History Channel or not. Really, ask yourself...has ANY Marvel comic series in recent memory had the balls to be set in anything but essentially 'present day'? There's also the budgetary aspect of just unthawing him in this decade and making it the unfortunate 'fish out of water', anachronistic angle that we all dread. I really would prefer the Iron Man film over this. Easier to have faith in on the screen, methinks. However...THUNDERBALLS...that doesn't mean that I reflexively dislike Captain America because I'm overall a "liberal". As a matter of fact, I'm very interested to see how they approach the character, as maybe Cap'n can demonstrate in the MODERN WORLD how FAR we've STRAYED from TRUE AMERICAN IDEALS and INTEGRITY by simply being himself and sticking out like A FUCKING SORE THUMB. True patriotism versus neopatriotic zombies. Hmm. My ideological role model is Indiana Jones, and I'd like to think that they're both cut from the same rugged but fair cloth, so to speak. Suck on that conceptual lozenge a little, Mr. RIGHTeous. Although...I'm not sure how they can do his costume justice without being totally fucking cornball. The Red Skull, on the other hand....
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Cap fights nazis and the Red Skull. In the sequel he should be unfrozen post-9/11 and he should fight Baron Zemo and Hydra terrorist.
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Ok, I can
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Heath Ledger should play Cap. I know right-wingers won't like that but nobody who watches Fox News reads comics anyway.
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That said, I don
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Cap would be for 1945 values. Which would be pretty much the same values conservatives have today! He volunteered to be a guinea pig just so he could go fight evil in WWII. I think Cap would be with the current prez going after evil in Iraq and other places as he was with Roosevelt in his time. Making up some gov't conspiracy thing like Nuke is exactly the kind of crap we DON'T need, but will probably get from the idiots in Hollywood (just like DevilCat said.) Because EVERY instance in the comics where Cap had to fight against the system he usually worked within was a fantasy problem such as Nuke or a made-up conspiracy. Why? 'Cause there's not anything of the sort in real life! Sure Cap might be disillusioned a bit by our gov't today, but not just because of the current administration. The problems in government are between both Dems and Reps, and I think Congress has had a lot more to do with what's wrong than the exec branch has. I think he'd be pissed at congress, the media, and the UN. And I think he'd be saddened by the people who don't support what we're doing/have done for Afghanistan and Iraq. As for the movie itself, I really hope to see a movie entirely set in WWII, with Bucky and Nick Fury as secondary characters. Red Skull, Zemo and the missile, Bucky dies, Cap seems to have died too, Fury takes down Zemo, then we see Cap's frozen body in ice. And what would be even cooler would to not have a Captain America 2, but to go straight into an Avengers movie where Cap is found shortly after the group is formed and bickering amongst themselves (since there's no clear leader until Cap arrives). And as for his costume, Cap's original costume always seemed to be more along the lines of denim pants (albeit tight ones!) with a normal leather belt (even an Army issue one with ammo pouches would work) and a chain/scale mail shirt. Once you've got chainmail and denim, a mask with an "A" and eagle wings(swept back like shorter version of the Flash's, not the little twig-looking ones some artists draw) wouldn't be a big deal. And who's going to care if Bucky's wearing red and blue pants and a little mask when he's firing a Thompson machine gun?! Oh, and a shield that looks like it's made out of metal this time. The plexiglass one Reb Brown carried was weak (almost as weak as his motorcycle helmet) and the one from the 90s movie looked nice but was obvously as plastic as his ears! If done right a Captain America movie could KICK ASS. If done wrong it could look like a bigger budget version of the two I just mentioned, or could be stuffed with an idiotic anti-war or anti-conservative message. Cap should be about the pure ideals of Freedom, Liberty, Justice, and Good, and a heaping helping of straight up adventure. Not with any overt message slamming Bush or Clinton, or whoever else someone involved in the movie happens to have a grudge against at a particular time.
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I'd be down with an WW2 era based film. Great idea. Peace.
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"I'm very interested to see how they approach the character, as maybe Cap'n can demonstrate in the MODERN WORLD how FAR we've STRAYED from TRUE AMERICAN IDEALS and INTEGRITY by simply being himself and sticking out like A FUCKING SORE THUMB."
Funny, but right here where I live in very conservative Idaho, I don't think Steve Rogers would stick out much at all (unless he were wearing his winged mask and carrying a shield). Wanna know why? Because most of the people around here have almost EXACTLY the same values the average American had back then. If the US has changed since his time, it's in the big cities. And I'm sure you can't be laying the blame on the "RIGHT" since I seem to recall most of the big cities were the bluest parts of the election map. As I said above, if Cap's going to be disappointed with the direction our government has gone, it won't where it's gone in the last 6 years. He'll be looking at just as many Democrats in the government as he is Republicans. I also think he'd be more saddened by the state of the modern news media and entertainment industries than anything. -
Heath Ledger wouldn't be bad. Another good one for the role is Cole Hauser. As long as they don't cast some skinny pretty boy(cough) Brandon Routh (cough). Or a bad actor. Physically, Reb Brown was the IDEAL actor for the part. Only problem is he wasn't that great of an actor, and with a lousy script and poor director, he was pretty much screwed. Brick McHardpeck indeed.
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One of these days, in a not-too-distant future, someone is going to go through the debris left over by our civilization and look at our era's obsession with - or need for - heroes and see in it the roots of a lack of confidence and the (messianistic) hope that someone else, some 'enlightened despot' with 'supernatural' skills, could do what we failed to do collectively... Then that person would write a novel or make a movie about this and make a lot new friends... Some may even consider him a wise man, or better yet, somekind of guru. That's if there's anyone else to share this information with...
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I can't think of a better actor for the role. He has the jawline and an all-american attitude about him.
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Made in America. And strong jawlines too.*** Propaganda does work. Puppets on the left, puppets on the right. Sheep all around...
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Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Montesquieu... you know, those old dudes who wrote on the emancipation of man (from nature, Kings, religion, the stupid masses...), were European. Fucking old Europe. Good or bad, you inherited our stupidity. Ask Fukuyama, or Kagan. Now we are your whore, so it seems. I agree. Our governments are a bunch of bitches. But you people really live in la la land. The worst that can be said about (the current crop of) Europeans is that they talk a lot but don't do shit... they still think that our current political institutions can be effective both at the national and international level, or maybe they know they can't but just are waiting around for something better, which in any case makes them just as guilty in perpetuating the status-quo as the american 'liberals' and neo-cons that are so paranoid about losing their supremacy that they are leading the rest of the world on a one-way course to chaos due to the unstainability of our economic systems and overall way of life. (Look, when Bush, the biggest influential shill for the oil and energy industries that ever lived, starts telling you that you should conserve, while granting oil companies tax breaks on their historic earnings, then you know what time it is...)
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is it just me or was Road To Perdition in fact not good. I thought it was pretty god awful. whatever.
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I remember Stan Lee shilling, Captain America, Fantastic Four(the Coreman one), and the Punisher(the one with DOLPH). He basically said they would all be huge hits and were the best films ever. I enjoy that they're all being remade without being considered remakes because the first ones were all so bad that they never got released. What a cunt.
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hey everybody, its my first post ever....
This movie could kick ass, but its gonna walk a very fine line.
Perhaps this will help Avi....
-50% takes place in WW2
-50% takes place in the present
- music by Harry-Gregson-Williams
- No ear wings, no rubber ears, No Halle, no Affleck
- DJ Qualls as pre-steroids Steve Rogers, and than Pitt as Cap.
- Red Skull make up by KNB (Tom Cruise as the confused, over-the-top villain out to make the world over into his views.)
- Micheal Madsen as Crossbones
- Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury
( sorry Hassellhoff.)
- Some of that Ultimate style super ass kicking.
- Stan Lee as modern age Bucky?
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they made it grittier in the Saving Private Ryan/Band of Borthers WII lets kick ass against all odds kind of way. Cap gives everything to save what he believies in then gets frozen. Then he wakes up to find that internal corruption has done more to take away what he believes in than the Nazi's ever did. So he kicks Congress's ass. Okay maybe just one very powerful corrput Congressmen...Tom Delay anyone?
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(I suppose I've had some humdinger opening "subject" lines, but I dislike having so little space for an opening.) Anyway, I would like to cast my vote for having the large majority of this flick take place during World War II, just as I prefer the ending with Captain America waking up from his frozen sleep in modern day. And by the way, who wouldn't love to hear Arnold Schwarzenegger speaking in his native tongue as a German Officer??? What a smart move it... could... be... if they have a great role for Arnold, as such (and actually manage to get him). But casting Captain America could be as challenging as casting Superman. Personally, with the role being what it is, I'd like to see an American actor in the role. I know, I know. But I just feel this way because of WHO this character IS and even more so, what Captain America once was and who Captain America is representing. And I think Captain America should feel quite distant from our modern day political parties, both Republican and Democrat. He's a man of his time, his era. He's not for the "fat cat" Republican who doesn't care about middle and low class America (except the vote)... and he's not for the "liberal" Democrat who refuses to act. -- Despite how Republicans want the voting public to believe, Democrat does NOT always translate to liberal. We're out here, Captain America. You just have to look a whole lot harder to find us, today. -- If Brad Pitt really out-did himself, I... could... see him in the role. But as Captain America, he would have to prove himself as a leader of men,... more so than in any role I've ever seen him in. Captain America can be tough, loud, demanding, and intense,... just as he can be incredibly charming with the ladies... and as polite as they come. -- I just hope they have a truely talented, gifted director to make this flick,... and with a nice, large budget. But with this "American flick" likely having little international appeal, I'd say digital movie making is in high order, with plenty of help from CGI. -- Good luck, Marvel. And by the way, how's that "IRON-MAN" movie coming along?!!
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another disaster waiting. Another failed marvel film project for the future to look forward to. Paul Walker Lind or Brendan Frasier, you just wait. Or how about one of the guys from the OC theyre young and cool and are sure to get the 13 year olds in for opening weekend. Cant wait for Paul (Blue Filter) Andersen to get a hold of this. Make all my dreams come true. Whay does it have to be this way. Why cant Marvel and DC be cool at the same time. Why is marvel flaying itself and eating its own remains? Keep Avi on after all the boneheaded desicions hes made? Destroy everything weve loved about Spider-Man...again (im talking about the comics and the upcoming gay costume change.) Is Quesadia still running that company? If so he's an ass. Give the job to someone who still cares Joe, before you send Marvel back into bankruptcy and jump start the comic depression of the nineties. Twat.
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Or an unknown American actor, perhaps?
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im sure thats whay theyll do - open the movie in 1938 or something - for 10 minutes - and then move caps to 2006 for the 'fish out of story' comic relief hollywood bullshit a la MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE etc - trust me this aint gonna be a WW2 movie - the way it should be
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Blow jobs.Traci Lords porn.Blow jobs.And Blow jobs.Not forgetting cum shots in the face.Or Coke.And Blow jobs.Don't forget the head.Or national fucking disgrace.Or Blow jobs.
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Feb 18, 2006 3:33:06 AM CST
Can I say something of an 'outsiders' view on Captain A
by bendersshinyass
In America this film may work just fine, but in the rest of the world America has a name of pure mud. It's just the way it is. And even though Captain America has always been a joke of a superhero..... imagine a poster for a second 'Captain America' with the superhero dressed in the American flag. All's I'm saying is; Imagine 'Captain Australia' 'Captain Iraq' 'Captain Europe' 'Captain Botswana' 'Captain South Africa'. It's just not going to fly my fellow Americans. It's a surefire dud.
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...at least for the first new feature film in a (presumably) hoped-for franchise. Face it, the Marvel movies have been falling into a formula of late: Hero has a history with villain, villain becomes tied to hero's origin, hero fights villain, hero defeats villain, end of movie. This can work with some Marvel heroes (Spider-Man), but it comes off as a disaster when it's shoehorned in (Fantastic Four). Setting the film in WWII as a period piece -- THE WHOLE THING -- would instantly set it apart from every other Marvel movie (and DC movie, for that matter). Want to allude to the whole frozen-in-ice wakes-up-in-the-present thing at the end of the flick? Fine, that's fodder for a sequel. But Cap in modern day without any real sense of what he did and represented in the war simply hasn't worked yet (see Salinger, Matt). I want to see the true origin of Cap. I want to see the soldiers' reaction to a walking flag on the front lines. I want to see Nazis getting their asses kicked. I want to see the Red Skull come in and chill even Hitler's bones. You stick Captain America in modern times the first flick out, it's boring. Been there, done that. But set the film in WWII? ICONIC, plain and simple.
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I have actually written the script ALL of you speak of. Im not kidding, I've worked on this screenplay for about two years now. The script is set entirely in WWII, Red Skull and Baron Zemo are the villians and Bucky and Sgt. Fury are the secondary characters. Without giving too much away Steve Rogers transformation into a true hero and not a cocky, arrogant super soldier is the theme of the script. After all he is a young kid when he is given the serum. It is the comic book equivalent of Indiana Jones. Man, I don't want to give too much, even though the story is copywritten (I know the character belongs to Marvel.) Im on the finishing phases of polishing the script right now, of course all the hype about the Avengers movie is happening so now is the time. What I want is just for my ideas to be used, I just want to see it on the screen, because I GUARANTEE IF I CAN GET THIS SCRIPT INTO THE HANDS OF MR. ARAD CAPTAIN AMERICA WILL BE THE BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIE EVER MADE -BAR NONE. I have a plan it involves this website among others, and people I know. If anyone personally knows Harry, Quint, hell anyone who contributes to this site that wants to see Captain America the way it should be email me at: harbinger2013@yahoo.com.
I gotta say this is my first time posting on this site after years of reading it, hopefully it will do some good.
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Well, after this post, anyway. Look, DAREDEVIL (better watch the implications of that name, good sir!), all I'm going to say is that I KNEW that people would take an icon like this and try to regrettably and idiotically impose their own political beliefs and leanings on a FUCKING COMIC BOOK CHARACTER. That, people, is really the crux of everything that's currently wrong with ALL of the politically aware in this country. And you can probably thank 'constructive' (shyeah!) message board 'dialogues' and the Internet in general for facilitating the ever-augmenting knee-jerk (emphasis on the latter word) sensitivity. These sorts of discussions would barely rise above a murmur 20-25 years ago when there was no greater forum for raving lunatics and massively misdirected anger (I think we can all agree the OT would've been pretty reviled had geeks been able to fuel each others nitpicks in 1983). Still, AM I/ARE WE JUST SUPPOSED TO TAKE IT WHEN SOME POMPOUS DITTOHEAD STARTS MAKING UTTERLY PREDICTABLE ASSUMPTIONS? Think about it...survey says..."Hell no". Like I said in my previous post (which was a response to a post that I almost could've anticipated verbatim, that's how sad things have gotten), I personally don't look at A FUCKING COMIC BOOK CHARACTER as an icon of either party. What, because Dubya's in office, you've got the fucking exclusive rights to the stars and stripes? Most of you seem to think so. And this is EXACTLY what someone like Captain America would be distressed by: the polarization and resulting corrosion of our nation. It's not all just inner city 'bangers' and amoral scenesters at a Strokes concert that are the problem. It's a fundamental fracturing that has been going on for the last fifteen years (at least, but particularly this time). It's the chasm that's growing right in our backyards. And please do note that in my convenienty cut-n-pasted quote that you used, I never explicitly called out "The Right" (cue dramatic fanfare) for having sole ownership of the various decays of American society. Sure, I'm no fan of the current administration (and really, please, there are not as many Donkeys as Elephants currently 'in power'...maybe by 2009, but not now), but that's not the road I was taking. I'm just really fucking exhausted with people dissecting what should be unifying figures and I'm beyond tired of feeling like Conservative America has rightfully earned the role of 'Sandkicking Bully on the Beach' to relish, and if 'Lefty 98-lb. Weakling' somehow miraculously fights back, he's battier than a Howard Dean soundbite. I'd really like some healing and 'centering' to take place--no, I really would--but clearly the only way out is in. Ergo, the gloves are OFF. (You can have your rebuttal, but I'm SO done with this shit)
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Capt. America is Marvels black sheep. The comic should never have seen the light of day, and hopefully neither will this movie. Propaganda in the form of cartoons or computergames should be labeled as such! Please dont make this movie, USA will be the laughingstock of the world!!
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These days patriotism will get you blacklisted and labeled as a nazi, and unfortunately these days many people don't want to put up with that kind of harassment and headache.
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Reb Brown. You know it to be true!
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your long, pretentious, tedious posts.
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...unlike any other superhero movie. The story unfolds over one of the most volatile times in our nation's history. Almost everything was fundamentally different than it is now. The line between good and evil was CLEAR. It is one of the only few times in our short history that America was in the right. No one can accurately deny that. Our country was pure as it ever has been, and Captain America reflected that. True, it was propaganda, but it was the best danm propaganda that anyone has ever created. That's why the character lives on, because he represents an age when things were simpler and dare I say it-pure. (I guess as far as history tells us). The story of Captain America is similiar to Star Wars even, it is Good vs. Evil. Period. It is a clear cut precision line, and it works. However, it only works if the first movie is set in World War II. When the audience sees the struggle and journey of Steve Rogers they will identify with him, no matter what race, or religion. They will feel for him when he can't do one measly push-up with the rest of his squandron. They will cheer for him when he learns how to use his shield and whe he wins his first battle. They will cringe and be on the edge of their seat when Cap is captured by Red Skull, and Bucky and his team must save him. They will grieve with him when Bucky dies. And last but not least, they will RESPECT Captain America at the end of the movie. You leave the audience ( most who don't know the full story) with hope, yet an uneasy resolve-Empire Strikes Back, The Matrix anyone? (Even recently Batman Begins.) In the sequel the audience will flock to the movie because they want to see what happens and they understand what Cap has been through- and then you have yourself a modern day "Rip van Winkle" story. Believe me I have some BIG ideas for the sequel, that's where the romance, modern day SHIELD, Hydra, Falcon as a badass comes in. Third film-Winter Soldier nuff' said. That's your trilogy right there. That is the only way to do it and therefore that is why MY script must be made.
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No doubt he will round up the terrorists and take them to camp xray where he and Batman will slap their wrists.
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When Captain America throws his mighty shieild/All those who chose to appose his sheild must yeild./When he's led to a fight and a duel is due/Then the red and the white and the blue will come through/When Captain America throws his mighty shield. I guess the big question here is who he'll be throwing it at, other than Nazis.
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Feb 18, 2006 6:29:03 AM CST
Captain America: most hilarious superhero of them all.
by windowlicker74
I can't believe all those posts being all serious and sensitive about CAPTAIN FUCKIN' AMERICA??? just look at the suit with those tiny wings man...the rest of the world will be in stitches
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That's a good thing, there should be more of that here, as opposed to all the circle jerking. There is a story there, and its worth would be determined on how willing they are to stray away from the AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! mentality and make the character and his situations realistic. Else it's just going to look like war time propoaganda, which is what the character really was in the first place.
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Unless you were a woman or a minority or a foreigner.
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I was NEVER a fan of his, (thought he was a hero that should have retired years ago), but this new stuff being written has changed my mind. Give the book a look and see for yourself. Of course Hollywood WILL fuck it up...
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To JDanielP, Arnold is Austrian, not German. To everyone else, as life long comic book collector, I'm now officially terrified that giving a movie to Captain Brokeback will spell the end of the comic movie trend we've been fortunate enough to see. He's really one of the worst characters ever conceived of. He belongs in World War 2 and SO DO STORIES ABOUT HIM!!!! A living American flag is a horrid, horrid idea for a superhero. Let's all hope and pray that plans for the CAP film stay frozen in Avi's brain.
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They can't go the serious superhero route because in that costume it would look fucking stupid. If they go the self-parody route, the film will tank horribly, and combined with FF and X3, that will be the end for comic book movies for another 15 years. Arad doesn't want to kill his cash cow, so this script will get stuck in his drawer and never be seen again.
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I agree with the majority of posters who feel that a Captain America film set in the present would simply not fly with anyone living outside of North America because of the the current world view of the United States. I do think, however, that a film set during World War II would have a much greater chance at worldwide appeal because it would be viewed less as political propaganda, and more like an "Indiana Jones" type adventure film. Ideally, I would love the film to capture the feel of the opening scene in HELLBOY. Does anyone know if Guillermo Del Toro is available?
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that's all
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Give it up. Read this talkback for reasons. However, let me just laugh out load at an indianna jones-esk WW2 film with A man dressed up in blue tights with a radar coming off his head and a shield to protect him. I mean.... Give me the Flash or someother piss weak superhero cashin, but 'Captain my shit don't stink and look how cool my costume is'. It's fucking ancient!! let it rest. it's. dead. dead. or dying. (You all know I'm right)
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The definitive Cap run was John Byrne's mid-80's run, when Cap almost ran for president. This movie should be great, but so should FF have been. Bring back Reb Brown and the winged motorcycly helmet and springy jumping noise!
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he seems to be closer to tyler durden than captain america in his personal ideals anyway.
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would be a good way of easing us into the situation.
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A wholely WW2 film is probably the best route for the character but if they really HAVE to bring him into modern times, I'm afraid they'll just reduce it to "conservative hero with stick up his ass learns to get down with the ghetto and speak in slang" - if they have to have the frozen in ice story, they need to make it mean something - how a guy who believes and embodies true American idealism finds himself in today's world...ridiculed by the left, recruited by the right, not sure of his place in today's America (a country feared and loathed that was once one he loved and protected). He sees out how MLK stood up and spoke out and see how it's all gone Fiddy Cent, how the government seems to favour the few rather than the many, (I reckon Cap would have been the ultimate civil rights activist) Yet he's unafraid to stand up tall when someone threatens the country he once believed in, embodying what was and should still be great about America...if David Self and whomever the director is aren't intimidated by the source material and treat it with real respect, it could be something worth talking about (as well as a few kickass action sequences).
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...I'm the god-damned Captain America!"
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Road to Perdition is one of my favourite flicks. I know fuck all about Captain America, and always thought it looked kinda lame, but due to Self's involvement on this flick I'll give it a shot.
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THat A should be larger font and bolded of course... So will this adaptation from a past comic book set around World War II be updated for modernity? And will it have any 'coincidental' connections to President Bush? Will Liberals see it as pro-Patriot Act? Would've been fun to release this and V for Vendetta at the same time. But I expect a 4th of July blowout! With bigger fireworks than in V!
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I should write a script for this. Should be a hoot.
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He says that every Marvel movie will be great...that's what he is paid to say. I can't believe you even quote him. I'm sure you could dig up the quotes of him saying Electra would be great too, and Punisher, etc, etc.
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But you give aspiring screenwriters a really bad name with those two posts of yours. You sound like a fucking studio shill with all your references to other successful movies, and how your script will emulate them. And then telling us how the audience will flock to it and love it? Dude, if you had any idea what audiences actually wanted to see you'd be running Hollywood, cause NO ONE knows what anybody wants to see, they just throw shit up there and see what sticks. There is no formula for success in film, it's hit or miss, and there is no rhyme or reason. I have no doubt that you have good ideas for this script, and I can tell you have passion, but for the love of all that is holy, enough with the ceaseless self-promotion. Never trust anyone who tells you what a great script they wrote. And a script should not be great anyway, it is a script, not a book. It is not a finished product, the movie is the finished product. Most scripts considered "great" by Hollywood turned into sub-par films, cause if a script is great, then the film itself has nowhere to build on, and will only pale to what you picture in your head. A script is merely a blueprint for something beautiful, it is not beautiful in and of itself, or at least it shouldn't be. I do wish you luck though, and hope you become a success, but please drop the studio speak. It won't help you, trust me. When you pitch a script, NEVER reference other films, because that will just show how derivative and unoriginal it is. Let the studio hacks compare it to other stuff, you want to present your script as something no one has seen before, something new, not some rehash of older movies. The studios want to think they're making something original. As a sidenote, how come no one ever compares their movie or script to a good film that bombed at the box office? I know why, but it is such a joke that money is a substitute to quality. Good luck harbinger2013.
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then break the homerun record and be kicked out for performance enhancing drugs. Cap would have bad skin, hairy shoulders and a tiny teste sack. and he would punch photographers and fuck Lindsay Lohan in the ass and have the tape circulated online after their break-up. she'll reflect fondly on her time with Captain America with the words, "whatever...it was so immature." Cap will put out a coldly-received album ("The Red White & Blues!!" - Rolling Stone 1 1/2 stars), followed by an episode of Cribs and a movie with Lil Bow Wow to support his growing meth habit. then Cap will hit rehab and cry on Oprah which will air coincidentally on the same day his autobiography "One Day At a Time: The Captain America Story" is released (July 4th). He will start to paint as he ages and maybe have a winery in northern CA. And occasionally Cap will attend comic book and sports memorabilia conventions until his death from heart failure at the age of 163. web geek Harry Knowles will tell us all about what he had for breakfast on the day Cap died in the opening 17 paragraphs of Aintitcool's Captain America obit because that's the American Way.
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Its actually a good way of getting them to visualise a film by saying something like 'Twilight Saga is a cross between Donnie Darko and Batman Begins.'
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"When you pitch a script, NEVER reference other films, because that will just show how derivative and unoriginal it is." <------- BOOM! fucking wrong. FADE OUT.
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Personally, i can see the points saying that such a blatantly jingoistic and American film would suffer outside of North America, its true that in much of the rest of the world America is not liked. However, to be fair, i would still go see this film, whetehr i agree with current policies or not, because its such an awesome story. And were it set in WWII that immediatly cancels out all hate, just think about it, Cap vs. nazis? Even if you hate America, you hate Nazis more,(I don't knwo whether its comforting that America is more popular than Nazis) but i think its not going to be too big a problem outside of America. Provided its done right. Either downplay teh Americanism, which would denigerate from Caps personality, or up teh ante to such crazy levels that it can only be seen as a hollywood/"comic book" movie with no agenda or reality.
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Saying a script is across between this and that is shorthand for studio execs to use when talking with each other and trying to drum up interest in a film. You NEVER reference other films. This is a cardinal rule of pitching a script as a nobody. I'm not talking about established screenwriters, but neophytes sending out query letters. Once they read the script, let THEM tell you what it reminds them of. I know it seems like I'm going against common wisdom, but you'd be wrong. Any established agent or producer would tell you the same. Disagree with me all you want, we'll see where it gets you. I have no aspirations for film, but I know a lot of people in the business, so I am speaking from a place of knowledge. Disregard at your own peril.
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I want to see Captain America get the credit he deserves as one of the all time greatest superheroes of the 20th century behind the man of steel, the dark knight and spidey. I prey to god that they don't f*&^%(*)k this up like they did with Daredevil, Elektra, the Punisher, the Fantastic 4, Ghost Rider?, X-men 3?, the Hulk, and Blade Trinity.
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No-one reads a script unless you pitch it... outline it... then write it after that. Oh - and pitching in 25 words or less means you use anything to sell the film, which includes using other films as a reference point.
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That's my gut feeling. Some comic characters are just hopelessly wrong for the movies, he might be one of them. I hope I'm wrong...now Dr. Strange, THAT could make an awesome project.
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Dude, we're talking about new screenwriters, you know, people without agents who are looking for one, people without producers who are looking for one. You are correct when it comes to established writers in the business, but if you are trying to break in you best have written the script and finished a final draft of it before you start sending out query letters trying to get someone interested. I am only referring to screenwriters trying to break into the business. They're asking for their shit to be thrown out if they act so unprofessional as to compare their script to other films in their query letter.
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My bad.
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Ahh, when the colourds and women knew their place. When gays had to stay in the closet and were forced into loveless marriages. When you could descriminate against anyone without that faggot pinko government stepping in. When you could ruin a man's career with the word "Communist". When a man could beat his wife with impunity and hold a righteous lynching if necessary. The good old days.
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Just to be politically correct.
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Love the folks with not thought power. There wre no aliens at the end of the movie, retard. Just AIs doing their best to make the first of their kind happy. Fuck, it amazes how many people just can't fucking grok that.
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and I could care less whether it's made or not. But if they did, how about this as a back story: say that the Knights Templar have come to America before Columbus and everybody else (La Merika theory), bringing with them the secret of the Holy Grail (no, the idea never gets old). Turns out they have with them the last descendant of the davidic line (via Christ) who they have to protect. The Hundred Years War is going on in Europe, which is partly based on a struggle for control of this line. With them is a secret, a prophecy concerning a savior with special powers, though for this to occur certain preparations need to be made, which will take time (centuries). They foresee a global event in the first half of the 20th century as the moment when this person will arise. The Freemasons need to build a special temple (using the secret passed on to them by Hiram Abiff), which eventually becomes the Pentagon, and a special concoction that will be given to the latest descendant during an initiation (using special ingredients only found in the amazon that will awaken the powers located in what we normally refer to as 'junk' DNA), following the steps secretly veiled in the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili (the copy printed by Aldus in 1499 was a fake). This happens in the beginning of 1943. And voil
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He doesn't have any powers or super strength. The super-soldier serum made him as strong as a human being can be, and that is it. He is just as vulnerable as the rest of us. Also, his costume is really gay.
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c'mon, no need to get nasty. So he kicked a puppy or three. Nobody is perfect. At least Ang Lee gave us gay cowboys. What more do you want?
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Looks like that would make people happy.
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....movie was the first 20 minutes or so where they show him in the 40's fighting Nazis and The Red Skull (who looked really good). As soon as he was thawed out in modern times, the movie went to shit. I agree that this new version should spend 75% or MORE of its running time in the 1940's. Film companies always try to save a buck and set movies in the present and it pisses me off.
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No latex, please.
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Let's face it. Democrat or Republican, you have to admit that WW2 was the last "pure" war we will ever see. EVERYONE was behind it, we had NO choice in getting involved and the enemies (Japanese & German) were both serious threats that could potentially take over the world. WW2 was the last "necessary" war. Every other US military action since WW2 has been steeped in politics.
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Thunderballs, While I agree with you that comparing a film to another film is bad, it's even worse on poster covers - 'it's star wars meet indiana jones' - because it never is. However, Lets say there is actual reference and reason behind a comparison to another film. If someone says it's 'Donnie Darko meets batman begins' then I scratch my head and think "What the fuck??" But if someone says 'It has the style of The Fifth Element with the look of Bambie' .... then I think you'll agree that paints somewhat of an interesting picture. What I'm saying, and I think you're trying to say, is that it's ok to use a reference point to other films to get your pitch across, but just a general 'it's Munich on mars' just doesn't quite cut it.
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Let me clear something up, and before I do thank you Thunderballs for your post, but my intention was merely to get word out about my script, not to sell it. It wasn't meant to be a query letter, besides Captain America is an established property I don't feel a query letter would be necessary. They already have a writer, theyre paying. Good money. The chances of my script being made are probably nill to none. Its possible though, that if I spread word about it, people might get interested and if they read it they will like it. Also on a side note, Caps suit can be done very tastefully and not be bright and corny, like so many of you have said. Alright thats it, remember rules are not set in stone, sometimes you have to break the mold. Aaaand I guess thats what Im trying to do.
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Yes, this is horrribell idea. As silly as a Wonder Woman movie would be, I'd rather see that then see Captain Crunch slinging his red white and blue cereal bowl.
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Unfortunately, all comments from Arad seem to indicate they plan on following the same basic structure of the 90's flick - touch on Cap's WWII period, then shuttle him to present day ASAP. Personally, I feel this is a HUGE mistake of the franchise-ruining potential magnitude. Why? 'Cause so much of what makes Cap Cap comes from his background growing up during the depression, during the war...basically being OF that period. There's no way you can cover all that adequately enough in, what...a half-hour, maybe...for an audience to really identify with a difficult-to-identify-with character. People need to see Steve Rogers operating in his original era first. They need to fully understand the context of Hitler, WWII, Nazis, fascism, the Red Skull - all the evil Cap was created to fight - in order for the modern day "man out of time" stuff to mean anything at all. I've said it before, I'll say it again here - set the first picture entirely during WWII. Pit Cap against Hitler, the Nazis, the Red Skull - all that good stuff. The ultimate tone should be patrotic, pro-american, non-cynical, optimistic (in other words, the complete opposite of everything in the media right now, and pretty much all Captain America comic books post-Steve Englehart). Believe me, just like a lot of folks rallied around a pro-Jesus flick like The Passion, a lot of folks will appreciate a rousing superhero/action flick that doesn't paint the U.S. as the great evil of the world, and, in fact, points out that American ideals - which Cap stands for and is supposed to represent - are actually pretty decent things. A bit of cliffhangery Raiders of the Lost Ark shtick, some Saving Private Ryan for the battle scenes, combined with the Marvel superhero movie formula. I wanna see a scene that plays out like the cover of Captain America Comics #1, with Cap busting out inside a Nazi stronghold and socking Adolf right in the jaw. Shit, get Kevin Spacey or somebody to actually play Hitler, and have him bounce off the Red Skull throughout the flick, with the Skull ultimately trying to usurp power. Wrap the movie on an up-note - Cap saves the day, basically. Make $200 mil domestic at least, and an amount in foreign markets that will probably suprise people who think everybody hates the US. Begin plans for the sequel. Then open THAT picture with Cap and Bucky (some fans may disagree, but I'd include Bucky in the Cap movies if it were up to me..give the right take on him, and Bucky doesn't HAVE to suck) tackling Zemo at the end of WWII. Bucky dies, Cap's frozen, and you're in the present day by the 15 minute mark of Cap 2. The story, then, is a CONTRAST against the first film, with Cap having been established in that patrotic, pro-american environment. What does he think of a world and media that doesn't really appreciate what the US has to offer a whole lot of the time? Where patrotism is viewed as a quaint little affection of the simple-minded by intellectual elitists? Where heroism and heroes are rarely acknowledged, while drug-addled celebrities and their inspid antics are culturally worshipped on a daily basis? Is anything that Cap stands for - that he was created for - even valid in today's world? That's the question of movie #2, and you can't answer it adequately, in my opinion, unless you devote movie #1 totally to Cap in WWII. As an extra added bonus, you put Cap up against Helmut Zemo as the main villain in present day, thereby tying the opening of the picture to the overall story. And you avoid bringing anybody but Cap out of deep-freeze. The Skull's dead as of the end of movie #1, most likely. Bucky should die and stay dead. Zemo is a descendant of the Nazi villain Cap fought in the 40's. Too much suspended animation is too much for an audience to buy - it's difficult enough to say Cap survives because of his Super-Soldier blood. Too many ex-Nazis taking a cryo-sleep stretches it to the point of comedy, really. Much like the 90's flick, which the David Self script will resemble if he follows the Cap/Red Skull WWII/modern day all in two hours structure. It's too flawed.
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Quite simply, you don't like him, get the fuck out of this country. Even though he aint one of us, Heath Ledger would be perfect.
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It was an enjoyable read. Though Does anyone know where the original AI treatment can be found?
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As a trained artist, I'd like to put in my three cents (so-to-speak}. The wings on the forehead... could... work just fine, within the right costume design. In every superhero movie, the costume interpretation is so important. Captain America's costume can be, and has been, interpreted several ways within the comics. But it's always obvious who Captain America is. It's not like you're going to get him mixed up with Superman or Wonder Woman, though their colors are somewhat close. And though Captain America's colors tend to be bright red, white, and blue, ...his colors have even been muted at times, ...as is Superman's costume in the new movie. The main trick is to make the costume look cool. If you give ol' Cap' some forehead feathers, then painstakingly make them with REAL feathers. Small feathers. Don't make them into puffy foam pieces that look like white cheddar Cheeze Puffs. Know what I mean? (They looked ridiculous in that movie from some years ago.) The "tone" of the colors aren't as important as the look and function of the costume itself, I feel. And keep in mind that a bright colored costume will (and should) get dirty and worn and ripped and torn. Mask or helmet or some cross inbetween, it's an artist's judgement call. Or at least, it should be. By a gifted artist, hopefully. Captain America can have a chin-strap. He could have the wings painted on the sides of an army-like helmet. He could have a mix, ...part helmet and part leather mask, in one classic looking headpiece. Give it a real world toughness while maintaining the look and feel of the time, while still being hip and cool and rugged and all those things, for today. A great costume designer should be able to deliver on all those counts. And personally, from what I've seen, I'm guessing that the David Hitch illustrated version from the ULTIMATES original comic book run will probably have the most in common with this particular movie interpretation. Just a guess. But whatever the case, I hope that the film's director AND the costume designer are gifted people. This flick can in fact work, people. It just requires a certain amount of talent and ability to get it right. You've got to leave just a little bit of that comic book geek at home... and strive for that cool factor.
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It just wouldn't be a AICN talkback witohut a clutch of smug fools simplifying everything into liberal vs conservative / agression vs captiulation...its that kind of retardo thinking that has this planet as fucked as it is...grow up and turn of your tv's
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put all of the characters on the big screen. At first I was pysched, but now it kind of feels like greed and not much else; espcecially since a lot of the final product has been pretty mediocre.
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From Gallery Furniture in Houston, TX could play Cap?
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the original balls-out red white & blue Cap for the first 20 minutes to satiate the fans. then, we're going to come to the present day and he'll be briefly mocked for his outfit and then given a new suit that is "impervious to bullets, lightweight", etcetera. it will be black w/nipples. kinda like Cap when he had the black costume in the early nineties. and Red Skull with be a big corporate asshole that doesn't have a red skull, but his company will be Red Skull enterprises. which is funded (secretly) by Nazi gold. <---- that's what we're gonna get. and you know what? we deserve it.
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Keep the first movie in WWII. End it with the explosion that killed Bucky.Have the very last scene be of an Eskimo tribe worshipping a new idol. The main villian could be the Red Skull. Easy to tie his origin with Captain America's. Have the Red Skull be created first. America needs their own person to represent them. This leads to the creation of Captain America. Then the skirmishes can begin. Supporting cast could include Bucky, Sgt. Fury (with cameos by the Howling Commandos), and Baron Zemo. The plot could be a slow build up to stopping a new new ariel bomb that the Nazi's have. The finale could be in a castle where Captain America and the Red Skull face off with Bucky and Zemo involved. Have a few battle scenes sprinkled in along the way and a great movie could be made. But seriously this movie should be done/set in WWII. When it makes tons of money then plan for a sequel set in modern times.
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The problem with ending the first movie with Cap on ice - which I admit, a lot of fans seem to want to see - is that it's kind of a downer. It's like, after Cap gets through saving the world from Nazis, his reward is to become a human popsicle. Also, it clearly screams out "SEQUEL!", which may or may not happen depending on how the film actually does at the box office. The ending of Fantastic Four kinda rubbed me the wrong way. When Doom went off on his Latverian shit-barge, it had me talking back to the makers of the film. "Yeah, you HOPE there's gonna be a sequel!" As it turns out, enough people paid their money before they realized FF sucked (or their kids were easily entertained, either way), so they made it to FF2. But it's kind of insulting on some level to just assume you've got people's money for more than one picture right out of the gate. Additionally, it's Zemo who was responsible for putting Cap in the deep-freeze, and if you tried to cram everything into the first movie, it'd end up being the Skull, most likely - just like the 90's picture. Purists will cry. Cap's two biggest villains are the Skull and Zemo, pretty much. So if you do a series of Cap films, Zemo's gonna show up at some point likely as not. Why not just show some restraint, put on the brakes a bit, and save the ice-sleep for the beginning of part 2, rather than the end of part 1? It just makes so much more sense in my opinion - for a lot of reasons. Not the least of which is making Captain America: The Movie a stand-alone film on its own, and one that leaves people feeling good coming out of the theaters.
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Is there any way to NOT set it in WWII? I mean, he gets his powers before (or is it in the early stages?) of WWII, he fights the Nazi's and gets frozen. Realistically, even if you rushed it that would take an hour. So I think ti's a fairly safe bet that they're going to set it in WWII. As for all the political nonsense, I always thought that Cap was neither a Democrat or a Republican, that he was just interested in what was best for America. I like the Miller interpretation . He wasn't loyal to a Democrat or a Republican, he was loyal to the American dream, which I think that anyone (liberal or conservative) can agree on.
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Good points. Especially the part about having Captain America in ice at the beginning of the sequel. Still want one to be set in WWII. Also, the FF movie ending seemed tacked on. I also didn't care for it. Thanks for the "feedback".
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Well, once again, I see the mere mention of anything with the title "America" in it has produced the usual spasms. But thus far the most intelligent thing said here has been about Captain America being something of an icon and the values he represents being important. If I were I to have my way, I'd have the film split into two acts: have the first be WWII at the end of which Cap gets frozen, only to be thawed out, 1945 lexicon intact to fight the War on Terror. Make it complex and have Cap confront the fact that he's a man out of time (as was the case in the 60's, when Cap proved less than popular trying to confront the Vietnam generation). People are more willing to question him and his beliefs. Our reputation has suffered and at first he won't understand. Have him intervene and police internal corruption. Let him prove he represents classical liberal values (incidentally the very same values the big bad neocons promote abroad) without doing so blindly. It cannot be simplistic, because even when you're using an iconic character, it's better to show how that character changes and evolves with the times.
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But, lets wait until after pitt does his gay movie ok?
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If Captain America is to be done properly, it needs to have the first movie set in WWII. Perhaps a small cameo with Wolverine at some point as well since he fought in that war as well. We need to have Cap with Bucky, he needs to fight the Red Skull, but it absolutely needs to be set in WWII. Not just in WWII, but also shot with sepia tones to give it an old time newsreel feel to it. A film like this, (If properly written) can be a hit, both artistically and with action...
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I just don't think Cap has what it takes to be a major hit on his own. Lets face it, you've got Superman, Spider man, Batman, X-Men, Fantastic Four, Wolverine, and then maybe Cap falls in somewhere behind all of them in terms of popularity. It would be better to introduce him in a team movie like Wolverine in the X-men. Cap is much better as the leader of the Avengers than he is in his own comic book. The Avengers is more popular than Cap by himself. Compared to the top heroes his origin is intersting, but after that his story is somewhat boring. He doesn't have powers, all he has is the shield. His secret identity doesn't really serve much of a purpose. And of course the radical left wingers don't want to see a man wearing an American flag hailed as a hero. Marvel could basically center the Avengers movie around him, like they've done with Wolverine in the X-men. They could hold off on his origin until they branch him off, and the audience accepts him as a hero first, not just an American hero. Also, why make movies for Wonder Woman, The Flash, or Green Lantern? Put them all in a Justice League movie together. That would be much more interesting than them on their own.
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Use Ultimates #1 as a reference guide.
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Bucky: Cap, the Nazi's have a secret weapon.
Cap: Dammit!
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Wow, last time I checked, that's a pretty ignorant and inaccurate statement. Check your history. I don't think conservatives today have much in common with those who called themselves that then. And times change - Anyone who would rather turn the clock back to sixty years ago and the shit that was going on then has serious issues. Not that we don't have our own shit. Anyway, Arad did establish that the whole point of the movie would be Cap struggling to deal with the modern world and the issues of being patriotic and American today, kinda like what Lindyboy described. If done right, it could be the most interesting superhero movie yet.
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HypeEndsHere, your post was the funniest, and most sadly accurate, thing I've read on the net in weeks! Bravo sir, your assessment of the current crop of psuedo celebrities was right on the money. I hope Harry enjoys his mountain of blueberry pancakes with maple "flavoured" syrup the day the inevitable happens...
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In the future, you should be advised not to publicly reveal all your ideas before a script has been purchased and/or is in development. I actually think your ideas are good ones and since you posted them on a public forum, I will now take them and write my very own Captain America script! We'll see whose script gets developed first. Thanks dude1 Muah!!
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Left/right, whatever. Cap is the defender of true American ideals those that were laid down by our founding fathers. Values we may or may not actually follow in real life. Sure there are some residual "propaganda" aspects to the character, but when he was created, Americans were sacrificing for the greater good. Partisan politics weren't clogging our collective consciousness then. Captain America is the defender of what America should be. I'm not particularly patriotic, and I don't agree with a lot of what's going on in American society these days, but Captain America is an icon, and he's the personification of what the things we can all agree on.
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Bring it on. Write a WWII era script. Give me the Red Skull, and a legion of Wermacht for Cap to tackle, and I'm in. No Bucky though. Bucky is truly lame. Unless he gets killed real early on.
I know I'm gonna catch flack for this, but I'd like to see Brad Pitt in the lead. It's been rumoured that they wanted him for it, and I can't think of anybody else who could pull it off. He's proved he can handle himself in action roles, he has the physique to fill out the suit without a bunch of rubber muscles, and he can act. (Anybody who says otherwise is just hung up on his looks). He's good in action films, but he hasn't allowed himself to be pigeonholed. He's got a good Jawline for the mask, and he can pull off the change from the gawky, nervous Steve Rogers into the star spangled sentinel.
Even if you aren't a big Pitt fan, you have to admit that to even get an actor of that level interested, you'd have to have one hell of a script, and supporting cast. Any thoughts on who should play the Red Skull? -
Cap will be a tough sell for a wide audience. Sure, people on the talkback forums will enjoy this, and may even stir some excitement, but patriotism isn't exactly that high in the country anymore. I see SR doing well, but Cap? I hope this writer creates a compelling, contemporary story. This film could be really special, if the writer doesn't try to manipulate the story too much in order to fit it around current events. I'd love to see it have a lot of success.
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get that guy who played the tick and puddy in seinfeld to paly him....you have it start in ww2....all serious and shit....captain america kicking everyones ass...just worshipped by his fellow men and considered a war god....a true ww2 hero..then he gets cryogenically frozen and thawed in present day and he is an pretty much an extremist right wing warmonger.....a real old school right winger...make it fish out of water kind of stuff. it could be like american dad..only funny.....have him not being able to get his head around how germany are even allowed to be a country anymore....that type of thing...austin powers with war instead of sex....
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please explain to me what it is exactly we stand for??
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Visions of his surfer boy performance in Troy come to mind. Just get an unknown. Aaron Eckhart would've been perfect, but HWood will probably say he's too old now. Another is Neal McDonough (Timeline, Minority Report).
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I'm sick of people assuming that because a person doesn't agree with American policy that they hate America. Grow up. Exactly what American values are Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin etc. against? What does this have to do with anything being discussed? You're trying to instigate more partisan shit slinging, and I'm wondering what the point is?
So called "leftists" don't hate America. It's a statement that serves one purpose: to start shit with people. Lame... -
Not if they want a decent budget. Without a major star attatched this film won't get the attention it deserves. And the flaws in Troy weren't due to Pitt, the films pacing was terrible. I don't remember Achilles carrying a surfboard either.
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of Hollywood trying to make a Captain America movie. It would be the new Spinal Tap.
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Sure, there were other problems with the film, but Pitt was terrible and his emoting was ridiculous. He did his best "pouting James Dean" impersonation. The rest of the cast was excellent. Okay, Bloom was horrible as well, but he was also out of place in the film.
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with a character that stands for American ideals at one of the most politically polarized points in recent history and during wartime? Interesting point of view.
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Conservative/liberal baiting do what they always do: shut down any actual discussion of a topic by turning the whole thing into simplistic name calling. Like, say Anchorite, with his typical right wing comments. I've got an idea. If you hate Hollywood, stop supporting it! Stop watching movies or renting DVDs. Better yet, stop posting on this site. That'll show 'em. That's just typical neo-con rhetoric to say that everyone who doesn't agree with you is automatically unpatriotic and un-American. Again, just another method for shutting down discussion. And it's weak. And that kind of rhetoric is, by definition, the true un-American activity.
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Seems like this thread is dying however, all of you prove that there is an audience for this film. Oh and by the way tylernol everything I said in my post is from the comic except for Bucky saving Cap. That's 5% of my original ideas for the script, needless to say I cahnged it up from the comic a bit. Anyway, Im a big fan and I always will be unless Marvel screws up and sets in the modern day. Im just getting started guys you'll see...
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When Captain America throws his mighty shield, all those that oppose his mighty shield must yield. When it comes to a fight, you know he's right, and the red and the white, aand the blue will come true, when CAPTAIN AMERICA THROWS HIS MIGHTY SHIELD! (Ok, I only heard this song once, and that was yeeears ago, so if I got the words wrong...my bad yo.)
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