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Sooper-Geenius Brett Ratner talks about making the last X-MEN film...
Hey folks, Harry here with a link from Eskimo Joe regarding the maestro Brett Ratner and his cue card reading ability and attempt at... "spin". I'm ecstatic to hear that all the images that have appeared online are apparently "test images" from before he ever came aboard the project. Though... I could have sworn that Kelsey Grammar was hired AFTER Ratner... and that those absolutely terrible images are just not a part of the film... although... oddly, several of the exact same images were provided to MTV's pop-up slideshow that appeared when I clicked on this article... apparently these were deemed passable, although they were released at the exact same time that all the others were too. I'm sure that's just one of those odd coincidences.
So - Let's make believe that all the terrible images are that "evil" Matthew Vaughn's fault, ok? And let's give the "Rat" his chance. Let's pretend, he's an incredibly bright and talented director that's going to blow Bryan Singer's X-MEN films completely out of the water with a film that will cause us all to orgasm with the power of Quicksilver's self-induced ejaculation. Ok? You all feeling that vibe? Brett's gonna make the greatest X-MEN film of all time, ok?
Cuz - he says this one is going to be the very last X-MEN film ever made. Sure we'll probably get a Wolverine spin-off movie, but we don't need anymore X-MEN films cuz this one he's making is going to be so fucking amazing, that you won't need to see another X-MEN flick ever again. Cool? Ain't it? Wow. I'm in Awe. Tom Rothman and Brett Ratner seem to be so fucking brilliant, that they know we just want one last X-MEN film where they'll most likely kill tons of characters and render the series incapable of continuing. This could have been, at Fox, a series that could continue FOREVER. If contracts for actors became a problem, don't kill them, just write around them, and then bring them back when they're price got out of hand... or re-cast the part like JAMES BOND.
Of course... is this really the LAST X-MEN film? No, it's just a really pathetic attempt to make this limp dick seem worth a ride. Here's the link to check it for yourself...
Here is the awful truth from the comic book movie anti-christ himself...
Go On, Let Your Brain Bleed...
Eskimo Joe
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Let the hate-back begin!
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I agree with Harry that the X-Men series could have been a huge long series, sort of like James Bond. There are enough comic book story lines to last 20 movies easy, right? Man this is such a shame.
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eh, not much new info here. I'm still going to see it first before pooping on it. :)
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its gotta be. This movie's gonna make a bucket full of money no matter who says what about it.
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I have little hope, Obi Wan.
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...this IS the last X-Men film. That's how I've always understood it, and for any number of reasons. And my guess is that after the smoke clears from this one (complete with audience members lighting matches and waving hand in front of faces), there won't exactly be a profitable 'clamor' for the Wolverine spin-off, either. How's that Ryan Reynolds/Jessica Biel "Blade" spin-off going? Yeah, exactly.
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all i know is thta gambit needs his own spinoff, why would they get my hopes up saying he ll be in the fourth if they arent makin one...god i hate this movie now
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Our primitive '3D computer generated effects' will be laughable by then anyway. I expect the love child of PTA/Tarantino/Singer/Gondry/Jonze/etc. will finally deliver the X-Men film we've all longed for. At least until another 25 years passes.
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please shut the fuck up. I actually respect your opinion man but I mean shit, you can't say anything good about this film? I thought the "announcement teaser" was pretty good for what it was. And besides that all we've seen are these images. Whether they're tests or not that's all they are... images. I just don't get all the hate before this thing even has a full blown trailer. I'm sure Ratner is going to put out the best he can, and while that may not be up to the level as other directors Ratner is the one that FOX chose. Jesus, are you really going to shit all over a guy for taking a job? Give him a break, at least until the finished product is out.
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"I love [the X-Men] world, and I'm sure Bryan Singer would love to do it too, and he's actually better at it than I am," he admitted before alluding to the long-rumored spinoff movies for Wolverine and Magneto. "For him to come back [for those] would be amazing," Ratner beamed....
Way to shoot yourself in the foot homeboy! If your movie is worse than X-men 1 & 2. (2 movies that didn't truly showcase X-men's epic potential IMO) then I'm definitely skipping out on this!
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Although it would be funny if Singer ditched Superman Returns part 3 and Ratman had to take over and killed that franchise as well. The picture of Patrick Stewart as Professor X in the pop up is awesome. And Rogue's pose in the X-Rent Valentine Day card thing was great. I'm hoping that after this one we can take a break and then get the long, faithful, constantly evolving Bond-like series we deserve.
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At least, that's what I thought - I seem to recall a news article talking about his good casting. If I'm right, you need to get that rat out of your ass, Harry.
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Does Prof. X bite it in this film or what?
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He talks about it in his interview in Wizard how Vaughn hired him and Ratner kept him on.
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we are so f@#!$!!!
There hasn't been a single good news about this film -
There's a fine line between thinking a film will suck and looking like you have a personal beef with Ratner for some reason, and your fat ass is hanging way over the edge...
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It is AMAZING that you referenced quiksilver and ejaculation in the same sentence, Harry. We used to have conversations about whether or not he would completely destroy a woman's conch-shell by going to fast. On top of that, could he even pace himself? If she said "slower, silver," would he be able to comply? And if he DOES go that fast, and can't help it, is it even physically possible make HER happy? With his tongue, maybe, but let's be serious here for a second: He obviously went through college with the nickname "Quiky," and that had to hurt his ego just a bit. So much, in fact, that he DOES produce self-induced ejaculations. Well argued point, Harry.
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You dont get the point of the goth gear? If you read the comics. You could see how that kit, ties, into the mutants shedding their human identities. Plus, goth chicks, really hot, but apparently they are too much woman for you. Which is good to know, shrinky face, but your O'Reily Factor take on this film. Continues to be rather distasteful. Especially when shit with Asian actors of varying ethnicities, gets blown like Chicago from a wind off of Lake Michigan. Have the prerequisite faith, or continue to look like the FOX NEWS of Geek Sites. Have fun with the latter, because much like Morpheus, you aint never gonna change.
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Do you have a bit of a reading comprehension problem? "Those photos were [taken] before I even started shooting," Ratner explained. "They were done in the testing process, so those photos are very, very old." Before he started SHOOTING, not necessarily before he came on the project.
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bullshit bullshit bullshit. Singer's Superman is going to blow his shit away period
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It could be good. Even though I have no faith in RATner. But fuck, look how bad fantastic four looked, and then it went on to ...oh wait....
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And I'm not talking about Ratner. Quint reported himself that Vaughn hired Grammer as the beast here "http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20276"
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...I share his pessimistic outlook for X3. Most of my negative opinion of The Rat is based on Red Dragon, which should have been a slam dunk classic, but turned out to be fairly milquetoast. On top of that, there's a palpable desperation to the Ratner interview, coupled with his troubling admission that Singer is better at this!Doesn't exactly instill confidence.... But hey, I'm ever hopeful.
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..Craptastic Four was somehow a huge hit (my guess is the producers kidnappen hundreds of seventh born sons of seventh born sons and sacrificed them to Baal). Now, all the coked-up suits are thinking, "Why are we bothering to spend all this cash on these here sooperhero movies? It's just comics... now need to aim for something original or interesting... just churn out the feces and the kids'll eat it up! They don't know any better anyway!
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What, so Warner Brothers refused to pay Aintitcool to advertise their movie so you suddenly have a slandering campaign for all that is X-Men... Naw, I can understand the hate, this looks anything but up-to-par. And I can still remember that moment when my face fell slack at the announcement of LordoftheRatsner being put on the helm of this sinking ship. Usually, even with movies you know are going to be terrible, they at least get one good [non-plant] review, or maybe a good poster campaign, or maybe even just a good scene or two in the script- but from Moriarty's script review, to Ratner, to that poster; everything about this movie screams out: "Flying Shite-arite about to Land Somewhere Near YOU!"... I mean we're talking the best comic creations ever made by someone not named Alan Moore, how could'ya.......but then again, it could still hold up. (When will that eternally optimistic fan-boy fucking die already damnit?).
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I don't remember links to everything Steven Spielberg said about War of the Worlds leading up to its release.
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now they drink redbull and want to stick their proactive noses into the creative process. COUNT YOUR FUCKING BEANS, SUITS. let the writers write and the directors direct. don't weasel in product placement, just count those beans. you don't do your own dentistry, do you? no. know why? BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE TRAINED TO DO THAT. comprende, dickheads? we now return to your regulary shhheduled talkback.
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We've had good superhero movies (i.e. Begins) so the execs are willing to try at least making a good one...but the fact remains that they can make just as much money out of excrement. Which is very, very disheartening for people who want to see a good movie, not just something with 'splosions. Luckily we still have Sony producing Spider-Man. Maybe it's just Fox, I don't know. But yes - the continuing trend of releasing shit superhero movies is motivated by profit, solely. Just like everything else in the studio system. Fuckheads.
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hmmmmmm so i guess the shitty juggernaut costume we saw in the trailer was before he came on too.
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Holy dump-coils, Harry, chill the fuck out dude. It's stuff like this article (and your rants last week) that make the non film-geek world think that we're all a bunch of psychopaths. Does everything you post about this movie have to be soaked in hate? If anything, this interview with Ratner should put your fears from last week to rest since he says the pictures aren't from the film. And yeah, you can come back and say "Ratner's saying that is Hollywood bullshit," but the fact of the matter is, WE DON'T KNOW. We're not gonna know until we see the fuckin' thing. That interview and the pictures should have the same weight since it's all speculation and could be false or whatever. Anyways, just settle on down.
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I swear, it seems like at least 75% of AICN articles written by you involve some form of bodily fluid eruption. I expect these kinds of descriptions from junior high school kids, but really, you might want to graduate beyond the diction of Kevin Smith. It won't kill you, I promise...
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Jesus, Harry. Your contempt for this unseen film is getting downright creepy. Did Ratner run over your puppy or something?
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I still can't figure out where the anger is coming from. To my untrained eye as a guy who saw the first two X-Men movies and mostly enjoyed the naked blue chick, I can't figure out what looks so bad about this one. I thought the trailer was cool. I understand that these aren't ideal circumstances for a sequel, and that he's no Brian Singer. But there's nothing offensive about the article. As somebody pointed out, he doesn't claim the photos were before he came on, but before he started shooting. He also doesn't say it will be the last X-Men movie, he says it "looks like" it will be. And he has every opportunity to be a prick and make fun of comic book nerds, but he doesn't do it. He even says that Brian Singer is better at directing X-Men than him and that he hopes Singer will get to do the Wolverine movie! I mean jesus, I thought he was gonna offer to come do our dishes for us too, he seems like such a god damn gentleman. Anyway, I'm no expert on this but I can't figure how the fuck a guy who hasn't even directed his first comic book movie yet is the comic book movie antichrist. Aren't the individuals responsible for BATMAN AND ROBIN, DAREDEVIL, SPAWN, etc. still at large?
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Ratner and Rothman both think that John Carter is the worst concept to take to the screen?
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...no matter how bad it is, it'll be better than that leaked Superman script from a while back. You remember, the one where Lex Luthor's a Kryptonian, Krypton is still around, Superman has a living suit, and he does kung fu in the air? And Jor-El kills himself so he can bring Supes back form the brink of death *in the afterlife*?
So, y'know, if Brian Singer had to leave this movie to die so he could save us all from that monstrosity, I'll call it a fair trade. I love the X-Men, and far more than Superman, but I think the standing of comic book films will be hurt much more by a godawful Superman movie than a godawful X-Men movie.
And, for the record, I'm not happy about anything I've seen from this flick (other than the casting of Beast and the fact that Famke Jansenn is so F'in hot), but I have no idea what the fuck Harry's problem is. -
I bet everyones left testical. that even if this movie is the best thing released this year. Harry is still going to fucking hate it. He will come up with some excuse not to love it.
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That's Paul W.S. Anderson, kiddies.
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Vern-o is exactly right. Ratner is totally pleasant in the interview, and the trailer DOES look cool. And yeah, Spawn and Batman and Robin were TERRIBLE, and this guy would have to really screw up to get to that level. I still think this will be a fun movie. Vern should take over this website.
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Let's remember that Harry's "as full of shit as anybody," as Crash Davis might say. Just 'cause Harry's got a beef doesn't mean we all have to agree. Frankly, I see no indicator in any of these trailers that Singer's Superman is going to be so overwhelminly superior to Ratner's X-Men. The X-Trailer's "fastball special" alone shows me more respect for the source material than Singer ever had. I fear Superman might open our eyes to how much disdain Singer has for Comic Books. I mean, despite what all the Singer apologists would have you believe - the new Supe costume is wretched - and the first Superman trailer was an utter bore - the best part of which was the music. So let's have these movies come out and see which one is TRULY better. So far, my money's on X-Men, believe it or not.
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X3 is going to suck, so let's look ahead. If Avi Arad and Fox have any balls, they'll let Frank Miller make the Wolverine movie.
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What exactly is wrong with the Beast makeup? Krammer looks all right, is that what all this fuss is about?
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Is that an original thought, or has someone else already made that prejudgment? My mutant talent is sarcasm.
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with these characters? I mean they did a couple of issues and stories in the 60's and then there was the Dark Phoenix miniseries in the 70's... have they done any other issues since then?
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"I could have sworn that Kelsey Grammar was hired AFTER Ratner"
No. He was hired by that Layer Cake guy.
Ratner is a tool, and anyone at Fox who thinks there shouldn't be an X-Men 4 is a complete idiot.
Don't worry. Maybe 8 or 9 years from now they can woo over Chris Nolan from WB to make X-Men Begins and start all over again. -
...your boy Avi is moving the franchise to Paramount. Believe me or not, I don't care, but it's a done deal. Rothman optioned the Wolverine spin-off because the rights were always separate due to the original Lightstorm deal from way back. X was a separate three film deal. I'm presuming he negotiated somewhat for a renewal, but I'm sure he asked for a helluva lot more than Rothman wanted to give up. Besides, why split the profits if you can bankroll it yourself.
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I can't believe the parallel universe I must have stumbled onto, where talkback chumps are actually trying to DEFEND BRETT RATNER MAKING X-MEN 3! Have you all lost your minds?!? It's Brett_Fucking_Ratner! You say I should have faith, and wait for a finished product? Please point to something in his Ouevre that says I should have faith in him. Money Talks? After the Sunset? He has not done one thing that says "Someone DIRECTED this." Not one fucking shot, let alone an entire film. The Rush Hour movies were all about Chow Yun Fat and Eddie Murphy doing their thing, and the only thing worthwhile in Red Dragon was the English Patient lighting Lester Bangs on fire. The simple fact is, Ratner just has no VISION for this film. It's not his thing, never was, so what investment does he have?
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I'm going to see this twice, just because of Harry's bile towards it, obviously from him feeling slighted by the filmmakers in some way. And him coming in here periodically and saying that he really hopes it will be good is bullshit. What a fucking shill.
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Thats the funnest thing i have heard all day!
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We're pointing out how over-the-top stupid Harry is getting about attacking this movie based on the slimmest of reasons. He can't even get his own facts straight about who did what, where and when. The man who cried at Armageddon and LOVED Godzilla telling us a movie is going to be the "KING SUCK" before anyone has seen ANY of it is a bit ridiculous, no? -
Harry, while I share your fear of this film and it's twat of a director, I have to point out that you shit all over the Batman Begins footage before the film was released. Batman Begins ruled, you loved it, you wanted to love it long-time! Let's see some positivity on this site for a bloody change! Oh and how exactly was King Kong a failure? Just because a film doesnt do as well as Lord of the Rings doesn't make it a disaster.
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I Guess we can be thankful Joel Schumacher is not directing this trash.
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we've seen your standup, we know. but as to everything else you said, you're absolutely right. i was mad as hell when i found out ratner was doing red dragon and came out flabbergasted by how bad it wasn't and how good it was. i'm a geek too, but i'll give the guy some credit. and harry, i know you run the site and all, and that gives you the right to say whatever, but chill the fuck down. that whiny-bitch rant sounds like something that was copied and pasted from some loser's talkback post (someone like us, only a little more hostile). i'm trying to think of something smart to say to end this post but i can't, so i'll just say it again: vern's right.
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The trailer was pleasantly suprising. I liked it. I'm in no way disregarding this movie, YET...yeah, the poster art was kinda lame, but I'm assuming the ad team is different than what the filmmakers have in store...hopefully...eh. I'm actually more excited to see this than Superman.
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Wolverine, Dark Phoenix (is happening), Gambit, Hellfire Club, Sentinels, Shiiar Empire, Apocolypse, Reavers, Marvel Girl, Days of Future Past, Fall of the Mutants, Inferno... all been done so whats the big deal?! Actually now that I'm thinking about it they're not trying to cram all of this into one movie are they.
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That's the phrase I've heard lately associated with this project. Drastically behind schedule, FX are a mess, in danger of being taken away from Ratner because he can't make the necessary decisions (his "posse" does it for him), and mostly directed by his second unit guy and DP anyway. Which I'm told is pretty much how all his movies have come together. Potentially bad enough to even kill spinoffs. But we'll see in a couple of months when the film is rushed to theaters to beat Bryan.
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... have been a huge success. You treated them as shit, but everyone else adored them (except for AICN TBers).
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I actually am looking forward to this more than Superman as well (which is the exact opposite I felt about these movies a year ago). And why did holodigm call Vern a standup? Isn't he just some guy in Seattle? FART
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...a successful director"-He is by ONE account a successful director: his films make money. That's it, that's all he's got. He has no critic love, he has no geek love, and he doesn't even have actor/industry love. Top talent doesn't flock to his films because of his presence, like Woody Allen or QT. Critics don't analyze his flicks endlessly like Spike Jonze or PTA. And geeks, well, I can't speak for 'em all, but I can tell you why *I* don't like or trust the dude: He's not an "artist". He's not a tortured soul, he lacks inspiration. He doesn't have some all-consuming drive to make this (or any) movie, more like a guy that just got hired by the studio to make sure that A+B=C. All the other directors I've mentioned, Woody, Spike, QT, and PTA (I'm on a first name and/or Initials-only basis with all major directors:) have something in them that won't let them do anything but make movies. I feel like they would literally be incapable of doing other, more mundane things with their lives. Whereas Ratner, the most tortured thing about him is his facial hair, which apparently he isn't being paid well enough to trim properly.
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You don't have to be in the movie biz to know that this is nothing more than a FAT MAN with an axe to grind (Or maybe something else? See below.) There are far worse directors than Ratner-- yet Harry seems to single him out time after time. 20th has pissed Harry off or maybe Avi has finally wrangled Harry into a bet to prove-- once and for all-- that the fat fuck CAN'T hurt the boxoffice gross of a Marvel film no matter how many diatribes he launches on his site. (After all, Harry's potshots at the FF movie did nothing to dampen that film's box-office.) My guess is, the movie will be released to huge numbers (if not 100% praise) and Harry & Avi will be standing in front of the Cinerama Dome in L.A., chucking and smoking stogies as Harry hands Avi a dollar bill. All we need now is a youthful Eddie Murphy and a still commerically viable Dan Akroyd to come along and expose their nefarious bet.
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ratner wont have any part of this site, doesnt care for harry, and more importantly....OTHER directors have a problem with ratner, so harry is taking up THEIR beef since he is good at being a fucking lackey. its sad really, but what the fuck ever man.
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If you think any of the main actors would have returned for a fourth movie then you're deluded, just like the Spiderman actors won't return for a 4th unless they're shooting 3 & 4 back-to-back, which is rumoured. It was also rumoured that Singer would have shot 3 & 4 back-to-back. Professor X is dying so there's no point in a 4th movie now. And without the main players you might as well forget it and then reboot the series in 10 years time.
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...X-film since they announced it. Even before Singer left, I was pretty sure they'd keep this to a trilogy. And, as such, the deaths we've all heard about could (not necessarily do) make more sense. It really is all going to depend on execution, which I know Harry has no faith in where Rat's concerned. Me? I rather enjoyed his take on Red Dragon (not as much as Manhunter, but they were different movies). I'm willing to give his X-Men movie its day in court for the sake of potential closure on a cinematic universe that's given me some great times. It could easily end up being shit, but I'm not going to presuppose that. I'm going to leave any and all expectations based on what I know of the comics and the behind-the-scenes maneuvering at the door. We'll see how the movie holds up under those conditions.
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I'm not defending the fucktard, but anyone that places the blame soley on him, for this turning out shitacular is dumb. This franchise was doomed from the start. Like I've said before, I hope one day it will become a 6 year series with a Wolverine trilogy on the side, and then cap the bitch with a Age of Apocalypse trilogy. But no one has the balls to do it. They don't wanna make us geeks happy. With no bitter comic geeks around, who would they make fun of???
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I can't think of any other rational reason for this vendetta against Fox and Ratner.
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...why the vitriol: Ratner has no respect for the fan community. We have to hear from HIM(no exactly a lifelong x-men fan) on MTV's website (not darkhorizons or chud or AICN, so the dude has no balls) that he has been chosen to make the final x-men movie?!?
We have to hear that not even HE thinks this movie will be as good as if SOMEONE ELSE had directed it?!? We have to hear him spouting some bullshit that was obviously invented, like, this morning, about how x-men was always intended to be a trilogy?!? Since When?! Oh, yeah, since this morning. Fan-fucking-tastic. Now, no one's saying that Ratner is the worst choice in the world for this flick, or that he's some vision-less, soul-less, talent-less, mediocrity-celebrating, no razor-owning, lucky mother fucker, um... what was I talking about? -
Is Harry organizing a legion of comic book/film nerds to take on the release of this movie? That would be a good movie.
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Can make as many x-men films as they like. Now that they are Marvel Corp. They could do it themselves and use fox or whomever else they like to just distribute their films. There is going to be a magneto film at some stage.
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...aren't getting the beat downs they so richly deserve: all that shit is dated. Schumacher suffered a nearly decade-long career backlash, so he has been justifiably punished. With Daredevil and Spawn, those things were not already mega-successful film franchises, like X-men is. They were just POTENTIAL franchises, and neither was seen as having the drawing power of X-men in the first place. They were both more niche markets. Hence, the lower levels of scorn. However, if I see Mark Steven Johnson on the street, I will Throat-Punch him for taking A Prayer For Owen Meany and giving us the cluster-fuck of sentiment that is Simon Birch.
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I doubt it.
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it shows an improvement. at least his tongue-cheek-routine is more bearable than watching him go apeshit on a movie that nobody's even seen yet.
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...even a monkey could tell that Ratner is a hack cokehead who's more interested in talking about lighting a "good looking woman" than he is about storytelling. I have not enjoyed a single film he's made. None of them have been good, or even passable in terms of a great story. The man doesn't care about film making, he cares about parties, dirnking, and how he can spend the money they pay him him to KEEP MAKING BAD MOVIES. He and AVP helmer Paul W. Anderson could be nieghbors, living across the street from Uwe Boll.
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I am making it my GOAL in life to restart this franchise in twelve years as either a writer or a director and make it the way that it SHOULD have been. Mark my words guys - I will pull a Nolan.
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Mark Steven Johnson should be the one feeling the wrath of nerds everywhere!!!
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I'm pulling for Ratner to make a quality film - though I'm pissed about the decision to kill off Cyke...boy they shafted that character (Personally the death of Prof X could be a good dramatic move if done right) and what appears to be the decision to appease Halle Berry more so than anything...and why on earth do we need a Wolverine spin-off? The X-Men films are practically Wolvie films anyway...the only way they could justify this is if Wolvie has a smaller presence in X3...but that ain't gonna happen.
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You would think he was related to the Anderson guy Harry hates so much. The first Rush Hour was great (any director who can make people like Chris Tucker deserves massive amounts of praise). I thought Red Dragon was very good as well, though I'll agree it wasn't the masterpiece that "Silence" was. I get so sick of the negativity on this site. I honestly think it's affecting my enjoyment of movies. I'm glad that movie studios sometimes pay attention to sites like this because sometimes they make smart moves (like most of the choices made in the last Batman movie). The sad fact is by the time we see any production images, it's too late to complain (see Routh's Superman Suit). I really hated the look of the Batman Begins suit, but it was still a terrific film. I will give Ratner the benefit of the doubt until the movie comes out. Ratner's a much better director than many working in Hollywood and besides, even great filmmakers can make terrible films (Hook, Mars Attacks, Showgirls, etc). Maybe a not-quite-auteur can make a great movie. I really liked the last Xmen, but it's just escapist fantasy, not life or death. I am personally looking forward to X3 and if it does indeed suck, I'll just be disappointed. After all, I made it through Blade Trinity, Superman 3, Godfather 3, Lethal Weapon 3 and many other less than stellar third entries in popular franchises.
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He is secrtly being bad by the "rat" to do this. No press is bad press right? I mean most of us are gonna go see it anyway, and many want to now see it to see if it'll suck Quicksilvers ejaculation right?
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jesus. let. it. go.
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Why would a studio arbitrarily decide to limit a franchise to three films (just cause they like the word "trilogy"?)? I mean, are they honestly saying that even if the movie turns out great, is well-received and outgrosses TITANIC, they still won't make another? FOX is a very weird business. I mean, what ever happened to "give the people what they want"??? Very frustrating indeed. Oh well, that's probably all academic since this movie looks pretty awful.
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There seems to be this feeling on this site about certain directors. Two examples are Micheal Bay and Brett Rattner.I agree about Mike Bay. All of Bays movies are loud, empty, brash pieces of rubbish, but in the past they made huge of amounts of money, but and this is a big but, they do have a certain amount of style. For example, in the first Bad boys movie, Miami looked great and the film looked very stylish. I hated pearl Harbour, long winded, boring, dull and utterly tedious and that romance, I am starting get nauseous just thinking about it. All credit to Bay for pulling off those spectacular action sequences and that scene with two torpedoes and the doodle bug bomb from the air, was the best thing in the movie. He got the period detail bang on. but the movie was and i agree an utter dog. Bays background is from early MTV. Bay maybe a shite filmmaker but he knows how to make big action films with spectacular style. Rattner OK he will never win an academy award. His films like Bays do exactky what they say on the tin. The Rush Hour Movies were and lets not make any bones about this Jackie Chan vehicles and they also proved that Chris Tucker is not funny and is the kind of person you want give a good slapping to. RH2 maybe the most racist movie I have ever seen, but the point of when Chan could still do his thing before he sold out (the medallion, The tuxedo). If all of these directors, like bay, ratnerr, boll and Paula re as awful as you all think they, why do they keep getting work? Somebody out there in the general public must really like their film even the TB backers dont.
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Ratner is working from the same script by Zak Penn (screen story on X2) and Simon Kinberg. None of this is actually Ratner's fault - he's been hired to steady a rocking ship and get the film out on the release date that was specified early last year. The screenplay is the problem, as is the cul de sac Singer left the story in at the end of X2. I think this looks okay and I think Harry et al are being really over the top. Have you read the X comics ever? They don't make much sense anyway and someone can reboot the franchise whenever they like anyway. Please, calm down Harry - you don't even like the first two that much and thought Batman Begins looked lame until you actually sat through it.
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Don't get me wrong, I've been entertained by both of them but the way the fanboys get so cunty about Ratner you'd think we were talking about Godfather I & II here. X1 was a mediocre intro to the series and X2, while better, was no masterpiece either. In truth the Rat really doesn't have that far to fall. And if you really think Fox is going to deliberately walk away from their premiere franchise for the sake of some bullshit "trilogy" story arc, I've got a bridge I want to sell you. It's a marketing gimmick and nothing more.
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I really, really don
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Anyways, thood for fought: TalkBackers are to Harry as Harry is to Brett Ratner? As Brett Ratner is to TalkBackers? Everyone loves to hate someone else.
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Hulk, Daredevil and The Punisher are the only new Marvel films that had the guts to try and use a singular vision of the comic book on screen.
Daredevil was heavily indebted to the Miller arc on the comic; The Punisher was pure Garth Ennis and worked nicely, only failing because of its rating; and Hulk was Ang Lee giving his own specific take on Hulk's origin as if he had been hired to write his own comic run by Marvel. They captured the properties which to be honest, X-Men and Spiderman have sporadically AT BEST acheived. These films lack the guts to choose one specific vision and run with it and don't work as comic book movies. Spiderman 2 was a vast improvement on 1 and the developments at Sony are making the third film look fantastic on paper BUT I think X-Men 2 - give or take a few nice scenes/sequences - is inferior to the first which was breezy but clinical in its set up. Singer doesn't like comics either and you all liked him and Raimi never had the guts to stick Gwen Stacey in the first Spidey movie thus fucking the continuity sideways for 2007's outing! X-Men 3 will have seriously good action scenes and some weak story choices - not Ratner's fault but Singer and his writing team's. Cyclops has been undermined from the get-go, if he buys it then that's that. Xavier's ALWAYS getting it in the comics and if they do it right it will be great and then they can maybe have him as a disembodied voice in Wolvie's head in the spin-off movies a la Wolverine: The End. Just be cool and enjoy the movie for what it is - a second sequel! Also, those 'Take A Stand' posters are really good, much better than the grey promo material of previous X films. Rogue looks great, Wolverine looks great - they all do. -
studios are run by media companies. sony knows how to make money building stereos and they apply the same business skills to the film industry. ie: Risk Management. these media companies would rather keep hiring mediocre people with modest successes on their resume than to gamble on an unknown.
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answer this: WHAT FILM HAS HE MADE THAT BACKS UP YOUR DEFENSE? Looking at IMDB, I'm seeing a big pile of shit. I'm with Harry on this, X3 smells like shit. Whether it is or not, remains to be seen and I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong, but as it stands, it looks bad.
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... and this film ends up being as horrible as everyone says, but they decided to continue the series eventually, they can always introduce Bishop, come back in time to stop the events of The Last Stand, and relegate to a timeline that has been altered and no longer exists. Which would definitely help with some of the character deaths and the such...
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We'll see what reviewers and all say about the movie when it comes out, but if it's bad enough, I'm thinking everybody should wait to see it on DVD. I'm kind of sorry I saw FF in the theater...I don't want to encourage them to make more of that crap.
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Not that I'm defending Rat as a director, but he's said in interviews he's a huge fan of the comics and was in the running to direct the first X-Men film until Singer got the job. In my opinion, any director who's a fan enough to give us a fastball special deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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But directing an X-Men film is not brain surgery. It doesn't require a Scott, a Spielberg or even a Fincher. It's a fucking comic book movie, get over youselves. If he can do Rush Hour, he can do "X-Men 3".
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which will be a focus on younger characters, kinda like a New Mutants/Generation X kinda thing. I hope they use the opportunity to introduce Emma Frost, and bring back Beast as a teacher and Kitty Pryde and Colossus (if they're good) and maybe give Cyclops more to do (if he survives).
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Fox has wilfully and contemptfully driven this franchise into the ground, much like Warner's did with Batman. The only thing fans can do is wait 9 years or so for X-Men Begin.
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...is a word. Contemptuously. There, that's better.
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"If he can do Rush Hour, he can do "X-Men 3"
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initial reaction to the original news Brian Michael (Jeez, I'm pompous)Bendis was writing Ultimate Spider-Man. The Payoff? Bendis completely ruined Spider-Man and put his fanboy spin on other "fave" characters in Marvels stable, with less-than-favorable results...and all the Ultimate titles suffered as a result. Kevin Smith he's not! Marvel should be ashamed. I'm holding out hope for Ratner.
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That in 1999 when we were all furious over the first leaked photos of the X-Men in costume (which looked pathetically awful), Harry wss the first to defend them, telling us that until we saw them in context and in motion we couldn't judge. That was one of the biggest lessons I learned about pre-judging a film. Now just six and a half years later he's done a complete 180 and become what he preached against.
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Y'know, Road to Perdition, Ghost World, American Splendor, and A History of Violence were all comic book movies. And by most accounts they were pretty good.
Now, if what you mean is "it's a fucking superhero movie", then, yep, you're right. But if you can't see the difference between "Batman Begins", with a good director, and "Batman And Robin", with a shitty director, there's nothing to be done for you. -
He even has the audacity to say he'll do a Superman film in the future. Damn the person who lets Ratner within 100 yards of the boy in blue!
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Let's be fair here. I'd best describe Ratner as "competent". Really, what was so bad about the DIRECTION in the Rush Hour films? He didn't write the things. And Red Dragon? He didn't fuck that up either. So what is it exactly that he could do to fuck up a 3rd X-Men? Now the writing, I can't speak for, I didn't read the script and I really don't know much about the plot but that's immaterial because it has nothing to do with Ratner.
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It's not necessarily that he will FUCK UP the movie (or any movie he makes), it's that Brett Ratner does not ADD anything to a movie (or any movie). No style, no new techniques, no innovation, no vision. What was wrong with the direction in the Rush Hour films, or Red Dragon, you ask? What was GOOD about it, I retort. Hannibal had more directorial panache in a scene or two than Red Dragon had in its entirety.
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Why the fuck does Ratner say that the costumes are going to vary greatly from the images that have been "leaked" on the internet. I am pretty sure all of those toy companies that have already created X3 action figures will be fairly pissed if he goes and changes shit. What an asshole.
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I previously had no interest in the X MEN franchise, but i'm now tempted to rent out the first two and go see the other. Could they really be that fucking bad? Also i wonder why Harry can't find a single good word to say about poor old Brett Ratner.
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He comes out, jacks off on everyone, then goes away while everyone wipes themselves off and says, "Well, I could've done without that." At least that's how I saw that interview. And his career.
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i guess brett ratner likes to make himself look like an idiot by countering that all the critism of the scenes that have appeared online are all because of "bad lighting" but can someone explain to me how bad lighting will make sense of putting another blue furry mutant in the white house after the events that happened in the second movie? hank mccoy is not a politician hes a scientist if anyone should be in the white house talking to the president it should be the professor hes "non threatening" and obviously very intelligent looking and has had government contacts in the comics of course im sure mr mariah carey video director wouldnt know a comic from his arse in the ground obviously
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You're a fuckwit, i come on this site to get evenhanded correspondence. not BITTER, BITTER rantings from someone who actually has a personal vendetta against this movie.
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i guess brett ratner likes to make himself look like an idiot by countering that all the critism of the scenes that have appeared online are all because of "bad lighting" but can someone explain to me how bad lighting will make sense of putting another blue furry mutant in the white house after the events that happened in the second movie? hank mccoy is not a politician hes a scientist if anyone should be in the white house talking to the president it should be the professor hes "non threatening" and obviously very intelligent looking and has had government contacts in the comics of course im sure mr mariah carey video director wouldnt know a comic from his arse in the ground obviously
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You'd think a guy running a site as geeky as this would remember that Matthew Vaughn hired Kelsey Grammer when the rest of us do, but I guess not.
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...let alone a multimillion dollar movie franchise. Fuck that, Harry - I don't know if this movie will be any good either, but who the fuck are you to act so condescendingly about filmmaking to people who actually MAKE FILMS?? Seriously, what gives you the right to "talk down" to someone who actually has made movies that have made hundreds of millions of dollars around the world? Who the fuck are you, Harry? Should Rattner actually have to take the advice and heed the demands of some 400-lb fanboy who pees his pants everytime a fucking Godzilla movie is on TV? You're a guy who actually uses the word "scrumdiddlyumptious" in regular conversation. And this guy has to bend his movie to your every fucking whim? GET OVER YOURSELF, HARRY. Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. PS: I haven't seen a single Brett Ratner flick - I couldn't care less about the Rush Hour movies, never saw Red Dragon, but I don't need to be a fan of the guy's work to admit I've never made a movie that people have seen all over the world, good, bad or otherwise. And neither has Knowles. So I don't know why he thinks he can presume to put Ratner "in his place" or some shit. I swear to God I can't believe Harry is that fucking full of himself.
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I love when some pompous asshole comes onto the board and preaches about how Harry or anyone else doesn't have the right to talk shit about someone who makes movies because they haven't done the same. So I guess I don't have the right to criticize our Commander-in-Chief, since I've never held that position, or the guy who bags my groceries, as I've not had that privilege either (professionally). Way to shoot your whole "Brett-Ratner-should-be-respected" theory in the foot by admitting you've never seen any of his movies. Sigh.
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Oh, I absolutely agree. I actually quite liked Red Dragon. My problem isn't with defending Ratner-- there's almost no one who deserves the kind of abuse Harry's lumping on him here-- so much as taking issue with the idea that all we should want out of a comic book movie is competence.
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Harry 'I-looooooved-Domino'Knowles, Harry 'Godzilla-was-the-shite', Knowles, that same Harry, is telling us that this movie, (which, incidentally, he hasn't even seen), that technically isn't even finished yet, will suck balls? That same Harry? As in 'Harry 'King Kong-is-the-next-Titanic' Knowles, A.K.A Harry 'Armageddon-will-rock-your-world' Knowles???? Am I getting this right? Just checking. Oh, and one more question. Haven't we already seen this movie before? Not X3, but the movie where Harry relentlessly trashes and shits all over a movie (FF4 - granted it wasn't a masterpiece, but still), prior to its release, only for said movie to go and end the Year-long slump that the box-office was in and make more coin at the B.O. than his bossom buddy Peter Jackson's labour of Love - King Kong, did? So how many want to bet that this movie goes and embarrassingly outgrosses Superman Returns? Just based on recent history and Harry's track record with loving/hating movies prior to their release? It's creepy really, almost as if Karma has it in for Harry just as much as he seems to have it in for Ratner.
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"I understand that these aren't ideal circumstances for a sequel, and that he's no Brian Singer." THAT'S what this is really about, and somehow lately has transformed it into this Shit-Slinging campaign at Ratner. I mean, I fully understand piling on the Fox and Avi hate...but what the hell has Ratner really done at this point but accept a freakin' job that ANY of us would've jumped at in his position? Geez, cut the guy some slack. Again, the circumstances surrounding this, and what I've seen for plot synopsis and so forth do suggest 'suck'...but hell, under the ridiculous schedule set by Fox, Ratner should be High-Fived if he just produces a watchable film. Let's be honest...the first two flicks were not exactly Citizen Kane anyway.
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There's a difference between having disdain for a movie (yeah, even before it comes out - I mean sometimes "bad" just looks bad no matter what,) and Harry taking the position that he's so far above Ratner, that he knows more about filmmaking or the process or directing or the industry than a guy who has actually made a pretty damn successful living at it. I mean, I don't know what you do for a living; maybe you're, I dunno, a mechanic. Just because I love cars, does it make any sense for me to tell the world you're a shitty mechanic, even though I've never fixed a car in my life? You tell me.
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personally i think why harry goes off on these directors is because hes jealous that he cant do it himself. of course thats obvious but i had to point it out
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personally i think why harry goes off on these directors is because hes jealous that he cant do it himself. of course thats obvious but i had to point it out
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For those who haven't watch The Colbert Report, Truthiness refers to the quality of stating concepts or facts one wishes or believes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true. In other words, Harry believes deep in his artery-clogged heart that X3 will be the 9/11 of the franchise, no matter what facts state the opposite.
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Why provide evidence about something when it's so much easier just saying it's true?
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there was a great director named Ridley Scott. He made this little sci-fi movie called Alien. Pretty well received. Later there was a sequel that was to be made, but Ridley Scott didn't agree with the studio and didn't want to do the sequel. So the studio said alright and found this other guy to do it. This guy had done a pretty fun action film called Terminator that was decently received. Got some good reviews, kinda like Rush Hour did on this site many moons ago. So anyway, this guy...James something or rather, made the sequel which is now considered, in some respects, better than the original. It was called Aliens, and is on many a sci-fi fans top ten lists.
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That if I get my car back from a mechanic and the car still runs like shit, I don't have to be a mechanic myself to realize that this mechanic sucks and if someone takes their car to him, I have reason to believe their car won't be fixed. Same with movie directors. You don't have to be an expert in the field to observe the end result. I completly disagree with the notion that you have to be a filmmaker to criticize film. HOWEVER, in this case I just think it's Harry being a vindictive bitch with some kind of grudge.
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I doubt it. Singer did one thing right - he treated the characters with respect. After that, the "Masterpiece Theater" approach was sleep inducing.
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Are crappy, and they are part of the promotion: there's an indication of FOX's idea of quality. They rushed the film and gave it a shitty budget. An X-men film should be an FX extravaganza, we all know it from reading the comics for years -why, then do we get these underfinanced rushed, badly cast (looking at you halle) hackjobs? And why with shitty RAT people directing? Visionless directors who lack the mindpower and artistry to make the X-men a reality? How unfair is Hollywood. Well, at least there's still spiderman.
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Gotta be a filmaker to criticize film is obviously an idiot. Anyone can criticize film, just like you don't gotta be an expert in anatomy to say wether a girls ass is nice or not. Nor a psychologist to say you're a fucking idiot.
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I think I'll destroy my career for some imaginary grudge. Makes sense.
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....true. But the only way we don't consider them idiots is if they criticize said film, AFTER watching it. Otherwise we consider them idiots. But you're right about one thing; about not having to be "a psychologist to say you're a fucking idiot.". Yes; for that we simply wait for you to criticize a film you haven't watched, and then we call you ...." a fucking idiot"! See how it works? So easy....
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...to criticize movies - that's just called being a critic. (Or even just being human. We ALL criticize movies.) What I said I was sick and tired of is how condescending Harry is being to Ratner just because Harry wants things done differently. Hell, if it were up to me, the last 3 Star Wars movies would have been done WAY differently. Does that mean I can go around saying "George Lucas in his INFINITE wisdom and all his EXTRAORDINARY skill has decided HE is the best director to finish up the Star Wars saga" or some bullshit like that, as if I'm clearly the guy who should be making the decisions on how they'd be produced, not him. I can't believe I'm the only one who think Harry needs to get over himself in that sense. I mean, hell, you have to be ABOVE someone to talk down to them, fer Chrissakes.
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If you wanna see the movie, waste your fucking money then come back and tell us how much it sucked. Hollywood always gets the gullible idiots asses in the seats.
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I mean, it worked for the last two Spider-Man movies....
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You've made way too many shitty premature calls in the past to be nailing up the X3 coffin this early on. Seriously, that thing about Godzilla was so wrong that it actually gave me testicular cancer. It's been years Harry,I'm finally getting over it, don't give me cancer again. Let this go Harry, for the sake of everyone's BAAAAAAALLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSS
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WHat the FUCK is that brain damaged corporate butt monkey Rothman thinking? Can He think, does he know how much money he stands to LOSE if this effort tanks? Can he understand that Xmen is a cash cow that Fox can milk FOREVER if its played right? Just how stupid is this wall-eyed son of a crackwhore anyway?
No don't answer that. I don't wanna know, really I don't. But this IS Fox that we're talking about. Rupert Murdock is the greatest unhung scoundrel on the ENTIRE fucking planet.
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I think the statute of limitations has run out on Godzilla. It's coming up on 8 years now, maybe we should let that one go. He's made plenty of other bad calls more recently. Speaking of 1998, was it Armageddon that he said he had to stop and cry in the shitter?
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I mean, I've always thought the guy was a douchebag just from seeing interviews and behind-the-scenes stuff with him, but to be perfectly honest . . . his films aren't that bad. Really, what's the huge problem with him? If anything, he never tackles anything past mindless shit, but I've never thought his direction was bad at all. If anything, be afraid of the script, not of the director. Just my thoughts on it . . .
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Then again, it might not. Regardless, I will still see the movie when it comes out. I have nothing but hope for this movie. All I hope is that is has the following: 1. A fastball special. 2. Storm flying. and 3. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD A FUCKING DANGER ROOM SEQUENCE!!! That will make the movie for me. Whether or not this is the last one I don't care. I would love to see this go on and make for a more than three movie franchise but if that's all they are going to make, then, I will deal. There is so much more that they can do. They can do Days of Future Past, The X-tinction Agenda, Operation Zero Tolerance, We could have Clint Eastwood play Cable, there is so much they can do and it's a shame they are unwilling to explore this further. Perhaps Richard Donner will take a crack at it should there be a 4th movie, or Joe Dante, or hell, me! I can direct a comic book movie.
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.....yeah, I get your point. Your right. I think we should all just not go and see any movies at all ( just so we cannot be said "gullible idiots"), and just sit here and criticize them (having not seen any of them) all day long. Yep, that sounds much more like a winning idea to me. In fact I think we should apply that same spanktastic logic to literature, with novels and books, Art, music; in fact pretty much anything that would require one to experience it first before they can be considered qualified enough to give an objective opinion on it, and then just all sit around all day like a bunch or lazy useless oafs, criticizing anyone who attempts to do anything original or new. Brilliant!! And in a completely unrelated story, the Society of Psychologists, today announced that they've raised the bar for identifying "fucking idiots", to armchair movie critics, who are petrified of being seen as "gullible idiots", by going to watch movies.
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His films are competent, which is why Red Dragon was disappointing. With the source material, it could/should have kicked ass. The shame of X3 is that it will apparently have a mediocre Dark Phoenix. Could be worse but isn't going to inspire any love.
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wow....he wants to make a superman film...snigger...but singer wont be able to make another X-men film cos ratts has thrown his toys outa the pram over supes... Singer could ignore X3 like we all ignored Highlander 2 ;)those who watched it :/ and make a proper X-men film with Sentinals... :)))
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I've read the Red Dragon novel many times, and was very disappointed when I saw the Manhunter version of the film, with it's Miami Vice-type look. It didn't seem like the spirit of the novel at all, and Dolarhyde just came across as another boogeyman. In Ratner/Tally's Red Dragon, the movie was paced and took words straight from the book. Dolarhyde was fleshed out much like he was in the book. A troubled man, not just a monster. Sure, Edward Norton was a pretty Will Graham, but he did a good job. The only weak point I had for the movie was Hopkin's hamming up his lines, far worse than he did in Hannibal, but he still did it far better than Brian Cox did in Manhunter. Cox's Lecter was about as menacing as an H&R tax accountant.
Besides... even big named directors make horrid, crappy movies. Ridley Scott tried to salvage Hannibal, Spielberg made the piss-poor translation (tho finacially successful) of Lost World: Jurassic Park...
Oh, and Harry, I know you like to beat the tar out of the Fantastic 4 movie and all, but you gotta admit, it is far closer to the source material than the first X-Men movie in most respects (with the only major exception being the Ultimate FF take on Dr. Doom)... So Harry, go back to licking the arses of the Wachowski brothers. I hear Larry really likes it. -
Harry, you are a mealy-mouthed heap of talentless shit. Why don't you get a job, you fanboy fucking, funny book reading, malformed orangutan-looking blob of queer-bait mucous? You are a hopelessly flaccid orange-haired cunt. You have clearly blown more black guys than Hurricane Katrina. Why won't you die? I had a point I wanted to make but now I've forgotten it...
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Why couldn
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I never saw Red Dragon, but I pulled up Ebert's review once and he pretty much raved about Brett Rattner. I can't copy/paste it now, but he basically said that even though there is nothing in his resume that would suggest that he is up to the task, Rattner does a really great job. I realize that he is a "studio guy", but I can't imagine this thing being horrible. We are all just mad that Brian Singer isn't doing it, and that this is a rushed project. The last person we need to focus our fury at is Rattner.
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I was in reagrds to no publicity being bad publicity. Harry's using reverse pschology, and if this one gets deleted I'll know whats up.
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regardless.
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I remember a time when I and my fellow geek friends dreamed of movies like this. I would read my comics dreaming of films that were quality hollywood productions featuring my Comic Book heros.
Week after week I would cringe seeing Lou ferrigno in a lame wig hoping this would be the episode he might actually become the true Hulk from the comic.
Good or bad..if I saw Ang Lee's Hulk back then ..It would of been a dream come true.
I too fear X3 will suck...I hated the Fantastic 4 movie but actually liked the lame "Corman"
version better for the kitch factor.
However the film turns out...ya gotta admit...it is cool seeing "beast" and "angel" on film.
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...Are essentially what everyone is complaining about. But it seems that it just wouldn't be cool to knock Vaughn so let's rag Ratner anyway eh?. A breakdown shall we, the mediocre Beast? Vaughn... Juggernaut design? Vaughn...Morlock costume design? Vaughn. Ratner has come in to facilitate the production and complete the loose strands of casting that weren't done yet. Storyboarding and shot design must've been well into completion as it normally takes forever so we can basically attribute most of it to Vaughn as well. The style and look of the film was probably covered in pre-prod meetings between Vaughn and the DOP so that was most likely near finalized, you need to know lighting etc. before set design (Much like they did on X2). So everyone's just hating Vaughn's film but blaming Ratner? What's the odds that should this film be fantastic the argument will be that it's only because Vaughn laid all the groundwork hmmm? I think it looks pretty damn fun...IMO
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Surprised, really, at all the heavy-handed defense of Ratner...You people are really calling your taste into question. Secondly, if you've got such a damn bug up your ass about what Harry posts on *his* site, then don't visit it.
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I'm excited about seeing a Superman with modern Special Effects and I really like the look of Brandon Routh not to mention being one of the only guys out there who seem to like the Superman costume but when comparing the two trailers based on feedback from non-geeks (comic or film i.e. normal moviegoers who couldn't tell the difference between Ratner/Singer) it would seem that Superman gets a "meh" rating while X3 gets a "Hell Yeah" rating. I think Superman will be a huge box office hit (2nd to Da Vinci) but so far X3 looks better than Superman from normal movie goers eyes...and that's what counts isn't it?
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He would've made an AWESOME follow up to BATMAN & ROBIN!!!!
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Seriously people why blame Ratner or even FOX for that matter. This is all Marvel's fault if this movie is crap. While FOX is fronting the budget I know Marvel has some say? If Avi let a crappy script get greenlit without at least putting some input then Marvel is to blame. The more i think about it the more power FOX has even more then they may realize, cause if shyt is so phucked Marvel can condemn the film and the media would have a field day. Sadly it seems as though Avi is letting the success and money made off the successful marvel projects go to his head. He sees dollar signs now and even dismisses the fans now. If Marvel is allowing FOX and the writers to kill off main characters like Scott, Prof X, Magneto and Mystique then what's the point of bitching and complaining ? If the X3 fails it'll be Marvel fault. Can't wait to hear Avi's answer when the fans bitch about the death of main characters. He'll probably say it's done in the comics or whatever BS when he tries to spin and justify the phuck upedness, when in reality it's much easier to bring back a character in the books. Look people the sack of shyts at FOX couldn't make a good movie if their lives depended on it. Years ago we got better movie cause as someone mentioned the studio execs were coke heads and god knows what else. Probably not true but then you have to wonder is their some truth to the claim, because studio execs want to much input in the creativity on films and they end up ruining the movie. In typical hollywood suit fashion they look at the success of other films and want to use the same standard story. i just look at F4 and see how the story was ruined, now the comedic element was there and spirit of the team but story wise it was so damn medicore and was chaulk full of Superhero 101 bullshyt. Will x3 be good? Maybe, maybe not, but i do know that Ratner will do no worse then Singer. If the story is good then Ratner will do well, but he ca'y save a crappy script, and I think that's where people need to focus some of the anger. Penn hasn't done anything to fill me with confidence, he has contributed to the past xfilms but it was a joint effort with others. Simon Kinberg has done nothing but fill me with dread. This is a man who wrote XXX2, and worked on Charlie Angels 2, F4 and Catwoman. Mr & Mrs Smith was pretty decent, but I suspect he probably stole the idea from a an unknown talent. I just don't trust him. Oh well we'll all see come May 24th or whatever the release date is.
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I mean,what do we have?An ugly James Bond?Heath Ledger possibly winning an Oscar for his hilarious portrayal of a lugheaded cowboy?MI:3 and yet more of Crazy Toms antics in the press?A V for Vendetta that Alan Moore has disowned?Sharon Stone looking downright haggard in Basic Instinct 2 where she shows how far she's fallen by co-starring alongside Stan Fucking Collymore!And then theres X3.Any film geek who didn't spot the immediate stink of shit when Vinnie 'cunt' Jones was signed up needs fucking punching.I mean why bother having Jean come back if she isn't the central focus of the story?Ughh,God I could moan for fucking hours.And why would Collosus leave his eyes normal when changing into his steel guise?Weak spot?Fuck me."Aim for the eyes,men!"In all honesty the advert looked fine,a hell of a lot better than Superman.What a bore.But someone tell me what the FUCK has happened to Logans hair?Huh?Man,I feel sick that I may actually pay to sit through 2 hours of watching Sharon Stones ragged muff get pummelled by Gordon Brown.Then again at least Anna Paquin looks cuter and cuter as Rogue.And Famke still cuts the mustard.Oh,yeah I forgot.There's always Rocky 6 to get excited about.What the fuck is wrong with Slys face?What a shit year ahead.At least theres no more fucking Star Wars prequals.And we can all sigh in relief that Kong is behind us."JiiiiMMMMMMAAAAY!"Only hope is The Furry Freak Brothers film.
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Are you all not much more concerned with the fact that the script was tag-teamed by Zak Penn and Simon Kinberg? I don't have a whole lot of respect for Ratner, but I don't think he's a "bad" director either. If the script were there then I could see the movie being reasonably okay. Of course, that doesn't explain what the fuck is up with those Morlock outfits...
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They're soul buddies, joined at the groin. Harry is building up the publicity of this film through his constant over-the-top comments, just to get people to talk about it. Then, a week or two before his executive screening by 20th Century Fox, he's going to praise this film as the next coming of Christ. I'm on to you, Harry.
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With a side-order of bitching. I'm not thrilled at the choice of Ratner to helm this, either. But - and it's a big BUT - I wasn't crazy about anything I saw before the original X-Men came out. Hell, I though Usual Suspects was overrated and had no interest in the movie or Bryan Singer (I'm not a comic-book geek - well, I wasn't at the time...) But look how that turned out! Now, before I get flamed back to the stone age, I'm not, of course, even daring to compare Singer with Ratner. Ratner is a simple 'point and click' filmmaker, which is why he gets the gigs - he's not gonna bite the hand that feeds him. (I even prefer Paul WS Anderson, and quite enjoyed AVP - so shows what I know!!) But my point is: we could actually be pleasantly surprised by X3. Seriously. Look at Curtis Hanson. There was a hokey, hack, point and click man. The Hand That Rocks The Cradle. The River Wild. Gimme a break! Then the guy goes and pulls LA Confidential and Wonder Boys out of his ass! Who saw THAT coming? So, maybe - just maybe - Ratner can do the same. Hey, it's a long shot, but if Hanson could do it, I don't see why history can't one day repeat itself...
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even if the plot sucks
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and devoid of thrills, action - X3 couldnt be worse than that
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To blow Singer's Gay Xmen films out the water.
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Hate to say that, man, but, seriously, let the hate go. X-Men rules and you could have a freakin blind chimp direct these films and they would still rule because the franchise is that strong. Though, I can't wait until your Superman Returns review spews gayness all over the Intraweb and then you alternately spew hate all over X3. Because, you know, that is exactly what you'll do. Because you're predictable like that. Totally. 100% have a good one. Try to surprise me one of these days, ok? I'd mean alot. Honest.
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You are a cretin. Seriously - five minutes on set and you'd be crying like a baby. Directing is a lot harder than you could ever image you diletante.
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Seriously, why such hatred. I mean you've set it up so now you have to hate it no matter how good it might be. It's this thing called cognitive dissonance. Basically, to actually enjoy this film you'll have to admit that your non-stop torrent of venom towards this film was unfounded.
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but the trailer to X-Men 3 looks decent. I could give a shit if this movie ends up blowing goats like Red Dragon, really. Harry you seriously got your panties in a bunch over this one. Get over it. Count your fuckin lucky stars you got a kick-ass Batman film last year and this year you are getting a new Superman movie. They're just movies about imaginary superheroes, WHATS THE BIG FUCKIN DEAL? And Rush Hour was good.
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You're acting like a fucking jerk.
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"I will see this shit twice just because Harry doesn't like it". Guys, open your eyes. Can't you all see what's really going on here? Back in the day there were those in Hollywood who thought that Harry's opinion actually mattered. Hence the kickbacks for positive reviews. Now that it has become obvious that the opinions on this site have no effect on box office once way or another, a reverse strategy is now in place. Have Harry bash a film from its inception and watch the sheep rally FOR the film before it even opens. What better way to market a film than to a pre-sold audience? "I'm gonna see this multiple times just to piss Fat Boy off". Guys, start thinking for yourselves here. Ever think you spend too much time on internet websites? Back in the day people say movies based on their interests, reviews, and word-of-mouth. Spending time at sites like this doesn't benefit anyone in the long run, except for Harry himself. Yeah, I pop in now and then, but the sheer traffic this place gets has allowed Harry to become a minor celebrity in the media. Stop in think about it for a minute, we have created this monster ourselves. Kind of sobering, no??
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Hell, all it has to be is just as good as X2. And X2 wasn't all that, but it was still entertaining. Than again these outrages against Rattner come from a guy who liked Aeon Flux o_0
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That article said that all the bad vibes we are giving out are about early released photos and Ratner. While I may not like either of those things it was that script review that really angered me. So far, from the trailer, the leaked images and everything else we hear, it doesn't seem like they have changed that script at all. What kind of Pheonix movie do we have when Cyclops dies as soon as she comes back to life?
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you are coming across like an arrogant, effitist snob with a personal axe to grind.
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this guy does get a lot of shit. i wonder why fox goes with the hyper mtv generation directors. are they cheap? do they bring in the best drugs? whats the deal??
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Mystique's make-up look cheesy and fake in EVERY shot of X1. For some reason, no one was paying attention..... Also, X1 is a fun movie but far from great. And one more thing, at the risk of being a bad comic book fan--- what is a fastball special???
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...or maybe just a set visit.
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I mean shit he jumped on a losing situation. He had an existing script (that had already been termed 'awful') and a fan base that he had to know would hate him. Hell Avi already knew when he announced that the new director was "one of THOSE names." Fox HAD to get this out by whatever date they had announced it as. If anyone saw the Alien Quad box set they know this isn't the first time Fox has pulled this bullshit. The blame starts at the top and snowballs down. Do I thik he's a good director? Hell no. (Shit we're talking about a guy who championed casting Stacy X. By far one of the worst characters ever to come out of X-men... and they had a living island in that comic). Ratner sucks but there's all kindsa blame to go around Harry.
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"Undercover Brother" (I took a date to that film after you raved about it, you robbed me a shag) "Batman Begins" (But everyone here seems to love that piece of shit) "Spiderman 2" (Again, EVERYONE loves this film. why? it's bullshit) thats all I got now
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VAN FUCKING HELSING!!!!
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It's so funny reading these anti-Harry posts about the bullshit movies he's plugged in the past. But one question: what in the hell does it have to do with this story?? Bottom line: Fox Marketing sucks, heads will roll within that department soon and Superman will take the summer. 'Nuff said.
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I am no expert on film; I in fact prefer speculative fiction. But I am curious as to what impact Harry's comments are actually going to have. Honestly, how many of us listen crtics? And those that do, how often do you still see the movie/read the book? Harry runs the public forum and can entertain and write whatever thoughts he likes to which we can all respond as we like. But what is going to 'make' me see this film are all personal reasons. I am a young person (Out of my teens, thank you) who, though only glancing at comics, knew the characters before seeing the first film, perhaps from the cartoons, I cannot say sure. But I saw the first one, then because I had already started the story, I had to see the next chapter. Thus when the third arrives I will see it. I am not going to wait in line, dress up or partake in any other fanbased ideologies. But I am going to see it. To sate my own curiosity as to the latest and perhaps last chapter. And you know what...I bet anything almost all of you (Including Harry) will see this film, irregardless of any previous critical assessment you have read.
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Peter Jackson could be directing.
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Harry, I have a question. When was the last time you were asked to make a movie. Oh, yea...I can't think of any. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!! You critics trash so many movies, like you know how to make one, yet I never see your name in any movie credits. SO until you see Ratners movie, shut your fat mouth and keep your sexual references to your self because nobody on here wants to hear about them...
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Is the fact that there are too many people wanting to do different things with it. The suits are absolutely going over Ratner's head. They can't even decide on what to reshoot, they all want to change different things. Too many cooks!
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even during PHONE SEX.. there's no telling who they will take their wrath out on..
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It simply had the best cast ever assembled for one movie. And the script was brilliant because it stuck close to Harris' book. But the movie was lackluster, and merely good, when it should have been great. Look at the scenes dealing with Dolarhyde's background, and the aural hallucinations of his grandmother's voice. A truly gifted director would have made those scenes scary as hell, and filled the scenes between Fiennes and Emily Watson with a creeping dread. Instead, the only scenes that really worked were the torture and death of Phillip Seymour Hoffman and the showdown at the end between Graham and Dolarhyde. That's right, the action scenes. Ratner can shoot a pretty action scene, but atmosphere and tension, which are crucial to thrillers, is beyond him. As is any true depiction of emotional resonance. Simply put: the man's a hack. He can deliver a decent movie, but nothing more. Maybe that's all X-Men 3 needs at this point, though. It's been abandoned by Fox in an attempt to beat Superman Returns to the market and squeeze every last drop of Box Office out of the franchise before it moves to Paramount. The script in it's earliest forms simply sucked. Too many characters have been thrown in, actor's demands have been given provenance over story, and early peeks at costuming show the lack of adequate preparation time. There's no chance of it being the movie we fans want it to be, but at least in Ratner's hands, it won't be a complete piece of shit. He'll boil it down to a loud, busy, pretty action movie. It could be better, but it could be a lot worse. Let's all just wait for the re-load.
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and not on Chud or AICN or DarkHorizons because (and this might come as a shock to most of you so brace yourselves) - HE'S NOT MAKING X-3 FOR THE FANBOYS!!! YOU'RE NOT WORTH IT!!
No director in their right mind would make a movie for the fans only. Do you know why? Because fans are fucking annoying. We're whiny and impossible to please. We want to see all the bells and whistles and explosions and buildings being destroyed but at the same time hate CGI. We want story and character development but then gripe about the lack of action. More than half of us wouldn't know where to start directing a film that costs $150M much less even fathom what the responsibilites of shooting one that cost $5M entails - but we have no problem telling everyone else where they're going wrong.
Harry clearly has an axe to grind and X-3 is his platform this year - last year it was F4. Ratner would be out of his fuckin' mind to try to make X-3 to please any of us. This is a business and the faster we can all get that into our thick skulls the better off we will all be. There simply aren't enough die-hard fans of any comic to make it worthwhile to focus on pleasing any of us. Making a movie strictly for the fans is a recipe for failure. X-3 needs to make $200-$250M to be a success and there aren't enough of you out there to make that happen - I dont care if you see the movie 20 times each. (Doubt that - see Serenity for proof.) The movie like it or not is mostly being made for the masses - so it can make money. So is Superman and so is almost every comic book movie ever made.
If you hate Ratner so much then don't see the film. There are directors I hate and guess what - I don't see their films. If it sucks it sucks if it's good it's good. As has been the case with every film ever in the history of film. I don't have a problem with Ratner - he makes watchable popcorn fare - and at least he knows what he is good at. I will be there on X3s opening night.
Oh and Harry - I liked King Kong too but I'll admit that it was a piss-poor follow up for PJ. I didn't see you bitching non-stop about the lame CGI in several scenes or the hammy dialogue on that one.
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.....Domino, that spanktastic, thrillride of visual confusion and theatrical idiocy, that Harry blew his load all over, and from under whose stink Kiera Nightly is only beginning to recover? And I had fogotten about Alexander and Van Helsing; kudos to Sin86a for pointing them out. Yeeseeh Harry, you're track record is really really worse than I originally thought.
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Harry hates that Singer (Ultra gay, ultra leftist) who coined X-2 as his personal "Xmen versus John Ashcroft (Bush adminsistration)" movie did not helm another Hidden meaning comic book movie to tickle Harry's marxist heart... Notice how in x2, the evil genuis that is completley smart, thinks of every angle, and diablical up until the third act where this super mastermind turns into a blithering idiot by allowing a shape shifting mutant to walk into the front door of his hidden lair....
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...I fucking hate that he turned Cyclops into an unlikable pretty boy. He/the writers fucked up the character so much they have to kill him off. It's not just Harry that seems to have an axe to grind. Read some of the other people on this site, just like the "review" I read a few minutes ago on Seth MacFarlane's new pilot script. Objectivity of this site is virtually non-existant. Harry and the others have got to know that once you lose your objectivity, you lose your credibility, and you become "that guy that hates so-and-so and loves so-and-so."
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...we get more Colossus.
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Wasn't it out for like 1 week?
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The first two X flicks were NOT that great. The plotlines were actually really laughable, but the characters(for the most part) were all nailed. Think about the first time you see Wolverine in X-Men, or those lines he gives to Rogue when he kicks her out of the trailer. Think about when those troops storm the mansion in X2, when Wolverine loses his shit and Colossus slams two guys through a wall.... or simply the opening scene with Nightcrawler. So yeah, fantastic moments, but the whole is definitely lacking. That's the case for both movies. The real problem with this new flick is that Ratner(as lackluster as he is) really has no control over this one anyway, it's a complete studio picture and I think that's what Ratner's career is based upon. He doesn't fight with studio execs, he's just going along for the ride and gets lucky once in awhile. X3 will be a trainwreck because it became more about fucking over Singer than actually making a good flick. Any studio that prefers throwing everything out in one flick(or hyping it up that way so that it gets more press than Superman) to doing twenty continually good flicks with good young directors and good scripts(based on the huge wealth of material that exists in the X-Men comics) obviously has no fucking clue what they're doing. Can you imagine if we ever got the Proteus flick? Or the Dark Phoenix Saga? Or the Hellfire Club? There's just so much there and now everything's being fucked over for the worst reasons that can be conceived. I went to the original two flicks once each and bought the DVDs and I'm sure I'll end up going to this flick in a theatre to check it out, but I have a feeling that word of mouth will kill this one pretty quickly(which was the opposite of the last two if anyone remembers).
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For New Year's, one of my resolutions was to stop reading all my favorite leftie blogs because they were always so angry, always vilifying the other side, that I could tell it was starting to affect the way I thought, making me do the same thing with people I didn't agree with. It wasn't healthy. And sadly, it looks like I'm going to have to do the same for Ain't It Cool. The vitriol and utter hate surrounding the talkbacks and posts on movies like X3 just aren't healthy. Harry has successfully made me not find learning about upcoming projects fun anymore. It's a sad day, but oh well. Guess I'll just have to start finding out if movies are good the old-fashioned way, by watching them after they're released.
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Are we going to have to go through this every time there's a new interview or picture or trailer? Harry hates the movie before he's seen it and is likely full of shit. We get it. Ratner's a talentless hack. We get it. I wish we could call for a moratorium on all X-Men posts until the movie comes out just so we don't have to read anymore anti-Ratner rants, negative posts and useless conjecture. Of course, there's nothing wrong with discussing the flaws of the first two movies - which I enjoyed while I was watching them and agree with the person who posted that there were great moments, but on the whole they were unsatisfying as X-Men adaptations (then again, I read a shitload of X-Men comics over the last few years, so I'm much more familiar with the X-verse now than I was when I saw the flicks). However, these characters are so varied and rich that movies could never do them justice. I still dream of a live X-Men series someday with a huge budget. Hell, even a spinoff. I'd love to see a more realistic District X kind of show that only occasionally focused on superhero powers. I just wish that Arad and the Marvel suits would get their head out of their asses and concentrate on telling good stories rather than just making an easy buck.
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Check out this hilarious pic and story: http://tinyurl.com/77d22
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Ratner raped Harry's childhood. For you anime geeks, you remember that part in the Evangelion movie where Shinji Ikari masturbates to Asuka's comatose body and then with his wad splayed over his trembling hands says "I'm fucked up."? Well that's what Brett Ratner did to Harry's childhood.
It went down like this. Harry is in fact a superhero called Kid Miracleman. When he utters the phrase "kimota" he changes into this uncontrollably omnipotent super being. But the thing is Kid Miraclman's a little psycho and likes to burn G.I. Joes and feel up old ladies, so Harry's real careful about not saying the word for fear of unleashing Kid Miraclman's wrath upon the world.
Harry and Ratner were at the same boarding school and Ratner had the bright idea of getting a bunch of Audio Video geeks to gang rape Harry in the bathroom. Harry dug it at first until a blood clot built up in his anal canal and it just got so bad that blood was coming out of his nose. Then after they -
Its no secret that positive movie reviews on here are bought by ad space or negative reviews caused not by the film itsself but because Harry has a beef with the assistant director/caterer. But Harrys constant unexplained hatred of it will make people ignore his opinion because its so biased. And how much lower can you get than a film critic whose opinion isnt listened to or respected? Its like the school bully who keeps on picking on the one kid, and he keeps on going on at him doing worse and worse stuff. Everyone ignores it until that everyone stands up to the bully and says "why are you being so mean to him? When he hasnt done anything to you?" With the constant X3 hatred, people are seeing Harry for the studio puppet/fuckwit he really is. And theyre starting to take a stand
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So you don't believe Ratner but when your favorite blowjob did Kong you believed HIM that the first trailer didn't show the final effects? He didn't lie did he? You should know by now that flicks are worked on up until the night they're shown sometimes nowadays. Grow up.
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A good read but a little repetitive. But my favorite was by darth_alamew, who pointed out Ratner is like the masturbating bear. Why do I hate Ratner's work? Easy. Go watch "After the Sunset." A not-horrible concept with a not-horrible script and not-horrible actors but a finished product so devoid of any life and sparkle that it boggles the mind.
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that was a big disappointment, bored the arse off me, only X2 actually delivered the goods. This could turn out fairly average and still be better than the first one. And Vinnie Jones will be ridiculous.
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Is that a reference to the Chuck Jones cartoon featuring Wile E. Coyote and Bugs Bunny? No? Sorry, I do need to get out more...
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Harry's X3 review is now posted here: www.unseenfilms.com
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Waaa!
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The first two X-men movies were homosexual propaganda. Singer was more interested in getting gay people special rights than telling a story. I can't stand all these lefty liberal loons who try to say X-Men is a metaphor for their political agendas. What does this comic have to do with giving blacks special rights? I guess I should feel bad because I'm an evil white man. The people who should really feel bad are those black women on welfare who mooch off me.
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Cyclops and Chuck die. Mystique loses her powers and possiblydies pissing Magneto off. Storm takes over the team and Wolverine takes over the school after crying like a little bitch a lot. Everything I just said and is TRUE is unnacceptable. Maybe they will make X4 and everyone will wake up at the beginning so X3 was all just a bad dream. Fuck Brett Ratner. Fuck the writers. Fuck everyone who decided to make this the "last" X-Movie. I wanted this to go on forever. As an X-Fan for over a decade I really wanted the movies to be awesome and go on for as long as it could. As big of a mutant fan as I am I refuse to see this. This isn't slapping fans in the face. This is curb stomping the fans heads in and pissing in our broken mouths.
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--are you joking, or are you totally off your head? Just wondering.
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Um, kiddo, I hate to break it to you, but Stan Lee, Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and everybody who has ever touched the X-Men have stated, rather clearly, that the whole "mutant thing" was a DIRECT analogy to racism, bigotry, and civil rights. It sounds like you should stick to reading simple books that spoon-feed you your philosophy, like Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, or Rush Limbaugh. Those are comic books, too. They just lack the cool art, fact-checking and good plotting. In other words, you're kind of an asshole, and you should really just stay away from the X-Men (books or movies). It clearly wasn't written for you, but about you. In case you're clueless, you'd be the selfish, bigoted villain in just about any classic X-Men comic.
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What nonsense are talking about? Xmen is about gay and black rights? WTF?????? last i checked the majority of people in the welfare system are whites.
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And The Blob was always supposed to show us that with all the differences we can overcome as people, fatties shall be hated always.
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The majority of people on welfare are white because the majority of Americans are white. If you take in account their overall percentage of the population, blacks are much more likely to be on welfare. That being said, battlestone is still a bigoted retard. In case anyone thinks the same of me, I
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im sorry, but "leaked" or not, those pictures ALL suck, and juggy doesnt look big enough. every picture we get from big blockbuster movies come from studios, its just a matter of how the studio wants to "cover up" the fact that they themselves are releasing them by having a plant say "i snuck into fox and stole these!" they arent badly lighted, they are badly EVERYTHINGED! lighting cant help this film! lol
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Ratner beamed, offering up another trade. "Just like I would love to do a Superman movie one day. We'll swap."
That' not even funny
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Size does matter. Integrity / credibility? Apparently not.
Harry, I've said it before and i'll say it again...you've lost it.
Seriously... read some forums elsewhere on the net. Everyone's loving the publicity apart from this little corner of interweb hatred. Personal vendetta? An axe to grind? Or some other reason? Beats me...but it's all very strange.
I think the fact that so many people are defending BRETT RATNER above Harry on this matter shows how sympathy for this recent tyrade of immature fanboyish bile and scorn is ebbing away.
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I could understand the creators or actors not wanting to do more or them not making any money. But to just come out before the films debuts and says, "This is it." That's fucked up. That's why I believe something is behind this insanity. The Singer/Ratner swap and the rush into production don't seem like a coincidence either.
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It would explain Ram Man. They should've pulled a Kingpin and gotten Bob Sapp to play Juggernaut. It would've been great...
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Has a studio ever tanked a succesful franchise before?
Let's see, Terminator 3, Batman and Robin, Scream 3, Lethal Weapon 4....
Oh, wait, did you mean on purpose?
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Not just Harry, of course. But when we have poor Brett Ratner having to make statements to the press calming people down, you know he's being distracted from WORKING ON THE FILM! Plus, now he'll have suits on his back second guessing him, shoving their oars in, "spoiling the broth" with their excess number of cooking suggestions. I thought X1 was nice, X2 kinda crappy, but Harry is pissing me off about this. However, I don't think Harry is mad because of lack of advertising on this site ... he trashed FF4 and yet this site was blinking and flashing FF4 ads come release.
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The "Stargate" hieroglyphics cemented it for me, and the sounds of huge generators starting up. The albums by bands that no-one new made me suspect, as did the plane that takes off from africa and lands in the pacific, and the polar bears before that.
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Whats with all this hate and conclusion jumping. Harry if it's there's one thing I've learnt on this site it's to ignore pretty much every thing you have an opinion on. Ratner may not be the worlds finest but why the pure hatred? Whilst not the greatest movies I enjoyed the Rush Hours, After the Sunset and Red Dragon. I mean some of the movies (and directors)you champion are absolute dogshit. You seem hell bent on destroying this movie, why not give it a chance. I mean I'm gonna see Hostel when it comes out even though Cabin Fever was quite possibly the worst fucking movie I've ever seen in my life. I'd sooner die of the fever then watch that mess ever again. It's painstakingly obvious that some of these released pictures are works in progress why can't you see it? Didn't Avi get on the phone to you to confirm a few Hulk casting rumours a few weeks back, why haven't you confirmed these pictures with him instead of shouting your big mouth off? Really not sure what your beef is with Ratner but give it a rest will you! After all he was brought in at the last minute, the trailer looks decent enough plus why aren't you slagging Singer for jumping ship before finishing the job and causing this whole sorry mess in the first place! And lets all be brutally honest, whilst Singers X films were good their not exactly worth wanking over are they? In fact the 2nd one is a little boring if you ask me. XXX
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"Ratner has no vision. Ratner has no vision." Man, you sound like retard. Either that or perhaps Harry wasn't the only one who got ass-raped by Ratner at some stage and is still sore about it. I look forward to this film...and I look forward to Superman...if either of them is shit...then so be it. I'll forget about it and move on. The funniest though is all the dicks on this website who go on about how they know a movie is going to be shite, yet will probably still go to see it. What a bunch of no-life wankheads. You whiney little bitches are amusing to me though so keep it up, fuckheads. :-)
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i was talking to someone about the harry backlash on X3-'who's that?' he replied, now this guy- he goes to movies, loves movies. knows who Brett Rattner is, know's X men -never heard of this site.
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Hands up those of you that made up their minds on a film (catwoman)just by the promo shots and got it dead right ;-)
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LEMMIWINKS IS A RED ASSED FAG (repeat numerous times) Dude just fuck off and dont' post shit like that again or Jesus will kill you with fire from Heaven you ass monkey. Jesus told me he would. He called you an ass monkey too.
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Dick. That word is so incredibly fucking ugly. While Harry Knowles may be plump he's gottwo things on you...a job and a creative outlet. While you absolutely have the right to use that particularly brutal and nasty word...I have the right to point out that men/boys who have serious trouble with homosexuals...like...I don't know obsessively use the word...what those boys/men really want is a fat dick in their ass and a skinny one in their mouth.
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I read up and saw, suprise, yet another racist ass post. Now those black women thatmooch off of you...wait there's no way they are mooching off of you because and ass wipe like you couldn't possibly be making enough money to generate any real amount of taxes.
That is also bogus, by the way. There are plenty of cracker, trailer park living, meth huffing, baby making women out there...in fact there are statistically more whites on welfare than blacks.
Now if you had a brain in that noodle you would also know that there are many left wing black activist who want to see welfare reformed to make it a work for pay sysytem like the one in Germany. You don't know that sort of thing because such knowledge can only be gained through an ability to read beyond a sixth grade level...no listening to AM radio doesn't count.
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Jesus, not to flame on here: but Superman, as a character, isn't interesting. What memorable stories does Superman have? His death, that's it. Am I going to see Superman Returns? Maybe, kind of depends if it's based on that dreadful script where Superman did kung fu in the air. As for someone's question: "why don't you pull it straight from the comic books?" Have you read the Dark Phoenix story? Yeah, it's good, but a lot of the dialogue is pretty corny.
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It appears that lemmiwinks and battlestone are trying to decide who the bigger dick is. Someone also said that Punisher and Daredevil were good. The Ennis run was good, but not theatrical (sorry folks), and Daredevil was way too many films crammed into one.
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ratner has no excuse if he fails, the amount of cool x-men he has at his disposal in this film, if he manages to screw this up he should never work again...
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Dude,
That next door neighbor of your...you know the one....the guy...just go ahead and kiss him bro. Get it over with. Come out of the closet and quite spewing hate because you obviously have the tendancies... -
Poeple keep going on and on about ratner, but it's important to note that Ratner is just there to direct the film. Look at the time frame. The man couldn't possiably have a lot of input in X3.I think he got some casting he wanted and some other small stuff, but overall X3 was ready to go with the script written by Kinberg and Penn. Fox needed a director to make their preset release date. I just feel it's asinie to set a release date and not have the script and other groundwork covered. Fox is hellbent on beating Singer's Superman to the bigscreen and somehow showing singer that htey could move on without him in some twisted way. FOX should have just waited until the cards fell into to place for X3. it's common knowledge that FOX strug Singer and crew along for to long on X3 that it allowed WB to snatch him up. Now honestly speaking Singer didn't do this awesome job on the Xfilms. I think he did a capable job with the 1st and greatly improved on the 2nd. Ratner to me isn't going to do anyworse then Singer, in fact in temrs of action i think he'd do better, but the problem with ratner isn't him or his talent, but it's Fox and the screenwriters. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if the script is good then Ratner will do fine. For me the jury is out on X3 due to the writers and the killing off of major characters like Prof x and Cyclops. There isn't an excuse to kill off Xavier or Cyclops. Shock value isn't there, especially for cyclops, who's a character that got 0 development. Whatever FOX is doing it smells like shyt. I will be disappointed if Xavier or Cyclops bits it.
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and used the name "lemmiwinks". nice response from him there, and everyone reckons he's a moron!!!!
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Didn't they give you any kewl advance toys, set tours or other free loot this time?
Must every filmmaker kiss your ass for the benefit of a doubt?
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if this film fails it'll be due to the smear campaign poor ol' ratners had to endure. last i checked X2 was pretty fuckin sub par too. But X1 was great :)
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They had a beer together and Shumacher was welcoming Ratner into the exclusive club of fucking a great franchise in the ear.
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I see. And Pearl the Record Keeper was "a little out of shape."
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It is a failure, "for all intents and purposes"? $541 boxoffice, 84% on rottentomatoes. Man, why can't I fail that badly?
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.. I would suggest we all wait and see, rather than rely on Harry in this instance. I believe his judgement is clouded, but I believe the movie has all the makings of being a catastrophe.
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You are one of the few, and I mean few, that prefer X1 over X2. That movie sucked ass after Wolvie hit the hood of the truck. Oh, I forgot, aren't you the one that said you didn't give a shit about the source material? Like I said before, go read some of the comics, I'm talking the classic ones, and you'll realize just how dissapointing X1 was, and how much X3 is gonna be. Nuff said. Nuff said.
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Again, I note how much we spend time beating on Ratner (essentially an empty suit of a director hired purely as a stand in), Marvel, FOX and not nearly enough time beating on the story. No matter what, a simple retread of "humans try to destroy mutants with a 'cure'" similar to the second film just isn't going to cut it, I don't care how many cameos you use. It's a shame, too, because if this is as bad as everyone thinks it's going to be, I sincerely doubt the other studios will touch the franchise for a reboot. Remember how long it took Batman to come back? You'll be taking your grandkids to the reboot by the time it comes out.
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There HAVE been rewrites, and alot of it seems to be based on what people had gripes with originally. As of October, the new script had written out the storm wolvie romance, the characters all still die though HOW they die has been changed slightly. Cyke dies off camera now. A bunch of people lose their powers... The main story is still the same, people trying to cure mutants, but nearly all the changes implemented have improved upon the version reviewed here somewhat significantly. That said, it'll probably only end up being mediocre, but at least it won't be horrendous.... probably. Also, apparently there have been budget cuts for some reason or another. It makes one wonder if fox is just hoping not to be too killed by this thing. A damn shame, because the effects would be one of it's saving graces.
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I still cannot believe the amount of propaganda going on in this talkback. Seems FOX is readily aware of the bad vibes on this endevour. Ratner or not, this thing was doomed from the minute the script was green-lighted. Ratner simply showed his coke-infested, money grubbing, hackneyed decision making in taking over the project. And...if these people AREN'T plants-they are exactly the types who occupy the "bottom denominator" that hollywood keeps serving to.
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Yet what the fuck do I know eh?? I've never read the comic, (and couldn't give a multicoloured fuck by the way), but I LOVED the cartoon when it was on back in the 90's so when I first heard there was going to be an X-Men movie I was legitimately excited. Yet when the film came out in 2000 I was nothing short of grossly disappointed by it, and as such waited for X2 to come out on DVD. I have to admit that apart from the opening sequence it wasn't all that great (c'mon you weird ass fanboy cocksuckers, admit it too). Yet the teaser for X3 has me excited, if only for that kick-ass shot of the car flipping into the windscreen of the vehicle behind it (you just KNOW that is one cool shot). Ratner is no Chechik, Bay or Richie (ie: a properly untalented wank-pot), nor is he admittedly a Nolan or Wright. But lets be fair and honest here, he's not much different than Singer, (Apt Pupil anyone?). Usual Suspects had a GREAT script, and reasonable direction. Simple as that. I just get fucked-off with over enthusiastic fanboys thinking that they are the definitive voice of reason on a not necessarily important topic. It's a fucking film, if you don't want to see it, stay at home sticking the pages of your favourite comic together.
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The Juggernaut suit is very similar to the suit from Ultimate X-Men. So if you have a problem with it, blame the source material.
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