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Martin Scorsese and THE RISE OF THEODORE ROOSEVELT? Somewhere, Milius fumes...

Hey folks, Harry here... Leonardo DiCaprio as a young Theodore Roosevelt... honestly, I can't see it... but then I never saw Leo as Howard Hughes and Scorsese and him knocked that sucker out of the park. I just want Leo to get Scorsese to direct that Johnny Eck script he has sitting around... or to make Richard Kelly's adaptation of CAT'S CRADLE which is utterly mind blowing. Ok, here ya go with a few tidbits from Pookie...

Hey there, I've been a long time reader and am pretty excited to finally have something to contribute to the site. You actually posted a review I did of FUN WITH DICK & JANE a few months back but everyone in the talkback thought I was a plant, so it kinda bummed me out. But this time, I think I have something a little more interesting and something that I cannot be berated for on the talkbacks. I don't know if its much of a scoop or anything but I check the site very frequently and haven't seen much on it as of yet. Enough jibber jabber, here it is.

My mother works as a curator for Manhattan Sites, which is a government run department thats basically deals with all the museums and sites of historical significance in New York City. Well anyway, one of the sites that she oversees is, what she commonly refers to as TRB, or Theodore Roosevelt Birthplace. So at dinner today, my mom, who is not very knowledgable about films, mentioned something about Martin Scorsese. I usually dismiss most of what my mom says because most of the time it has something to do with "pick up my pants" or "brush my teeth," but this time my ears perked up. Last time my mom talked about something like this, I was able to go down to her job and got to meet Robert Deniro and Angelina Jolie during filming of THE GOOD SHEPHERD. Even though Angelina didn't seduce me like I fantasized, it was an awesome experience and would love to have a similar opportunity. I started barraging my mother with questions and managed to get a some info out of her. What it boils down to is that Martin Scorsese is going to be directing a film about the life of Teddy Roosevelt, titled "THE RISE OF THEODORE ROOSEVELT" and they will be filming for a month or two, in the near future, at the Theodore Roosevelt Birthplace. I also learned that Theodore Roosevelt will be played by none other than Leonardo DiCaprio. I checked on IMDB to read about it and it only credited DiCaprio as a producer, but my mom told me that indeed, it is a fact that he will be playing young Teddy. As soon as I heard this, I made my mother promise to take me with her a few days to meet them or at least watch them work. RAGING BULL and BASKETBALL DIARIES are two films I love and I am looking forward to watching this movie be made. My mother is pretty important over there so I'm sure she will be on set frequently and this will be worthwhile.

So, thats my story. If you want to use anything from it, thats up to you guys over at AICN, I just thought I should send it in just in case. When I do go, I'll try to get some more information on whats going on or some reactions to what they're doing. I love when guys send in those secret photos from the set, so that's definetly something I'll try to do also. Anyway, I hope this e-mail was wasn't a big waste of your time and you guys got something useful out of it. Keep up the good work.


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  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST


    by ScreamingPenis

    just kidding

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I speak softly, but I am a biiiiiig dick!

    by Terry_1978

    Just kidding, Leo. You're still down, you little Brando/Nicholson you.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    the aviator...

    by mocky_puppet

    ...was ultra mega boring. and was katherine hepburn the most annoying person in the world at that time, or was she just played that way? holy geez.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST

    speak softly and carry a big stick

    by durhay

    a big stick. carry a big stick. speak softly ... carry a big stick. A big stick. It's the wave ... of the future. The future.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:35 p.m. CST


    by bunkyboo

    that is all.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    This isn't the "Ted" I'm looking for

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Sounds interesting enough, but what we really need is a bio film on Ted "Theodore" Logan. I mean, the chapter of his life where a knee injury forced him to give up a promising football career in favor of becoming an FBI agent is truly inspiring.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Fuck Roosevelt

    by Dr. Meirschultz

    Everyone knows McKinley was the money president.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Check this picture of a young Roosevelt...

    by Batutta There's a definite resemblance, and this movie is focusing on his early years and how he became the burly figure we all know.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    THE AVIATOR is a great film...

    by JohnGalt2005

    I also would like to see that Cat's Cradle get off the ground. I'm get bio-picked out.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST

    theodore roosevelt is what i think of when i see "cool"

    by digital8

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    The next step

    by SteveyP93

    I think its about time Marty and Leo just get it over with and get married. But seriously, is this partnership starting to remind people of the old studio days or what? The days when Dean Martin and Jerry Lewis would team up for 10 years, etc. They are creating a real body of work here.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST

    What does the Milius jibe refer to?

    by dastickboy

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Looks like Scorcese is REALLY desperate for an oscar.

    by Proman1984

    Can't exactly blame him though. The project sounds interesting but I don't think DiCaprio is a good fit for the role. Scorcese needs to broaden his horizons a litte. The only thing I would hate to see is a media war over which is better this or Spielberg's Lincoln film (asduming hte'll be released at the same time).

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Aviator RULES!!!

    by Chief Redcock

    This will rule too. Marty can do no wrong.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Is any director ever going to tackle George Washington?

    by Terry_1978

    I'm shocked no one has attempted it yet.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by imkindofabigdeal

    DiCaprio is Marty's new Deniro. Could be worse.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Actually, Leo could look quite a bit like young Ted

    by riskebiz

    Look at pictures of young Theodore Roosevelt and it's not much of a leap to see Leonardo portraying him.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    there's something fascinating bout USpresidents biopics

    by Colonel_Blimp

    from ford's young mr. lincoln to stone's nixon, I just can't get enough of 'em. So bring on young mr. roosevelt and spielberg's liam lincoln! and while you're at it, hollywood, how 'bout a big budget dramatization of JFK's life?

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Could be very good...

    by vinceklortho

    I'm interested in this project. I was really impressed with Marty's Hughes movie. I enjoyed it a lot more than Gangs and was probably his best movie in a couple of years. Fantastic directing. Then again, it is Scorsese. Anyway, when is there going to be a trailer or anything for that matter for The Departed? Should be coming out soon, right? Or maybe not until later this year?

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST


    by Shaner Jedi

    , the Milius comment probably refers to Milius' efforts over the years to put together a film based on Teddy Roosevelt. I;m not sure Milius pictured DiCaprio in the title role. Milius did have a Teddy Roosevelt in his film The Wind and the Lion.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    based on Edmund Morris book

    by stlmapman

    Edmund Morris&#39; biography of the yound Teddy Roosevelt won the Pulitzer in 1980. <a href=>Link</a>

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST

    You realise this means that there&#39;s gonna be...

    by seppukudkurosawa

    a whole influx of Presidential Biopics, which will culminate in the box-office bomb The Life and Times of Alan Arthur (the 21st President of THE BESTEST COUNTRY EVER EVER!).

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by The_Shrike

    I&#39;ve been hoping Scorcese was going to do Hyperion, last I heard, Simmons did a scriptment based on his own novels and Martin was shopping the idea to some studios.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Oscar Hunting

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Hey, to the person who said Scorsese was desperately hunting for an Oscar, maybe he still wakes up at night shouting

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Montana/Deadwood TR? Leo better hit the weights.

    by Fred

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST

    P O O K I E!!! That was from New Jack City. Ha

    by TheButcher

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Milius&#39; background

    by HapFrap2001

    Teddy Roosevelt has been featured in two of Milius&#39; films: He was played by Brian Keith in "The Wind & The Lion" and particularly well in the miniseries "The Roughriders".

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    by HapFrap2001

    particularly well *by Tom Berenger* in "The Roughriders".

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I thought The Aviator was a very mediocre film

    by DustinDiamond

    And horrible overrated. If directed by anyone else, it would not have had that acclaim. It was boring. It was a series of scenes repeated at nauseum. Hughes flys a plane, crashes it, dates a cute actress, suffers from OCD, repeat. It gave no insight at all into who he was as a person. Just a boring, paint by numbers, typical biopic

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Worked on "Rough Riders"

    by Mister Man

    Damn, Milius was a bore. His stories weren&#39;t quite as enthralling as he apparently thought, and there&#39;s nothing like stopping a tightly scheduled tech scout for a gun-store splurge. Also, it&#39;s not quite endearing to hear a grown man scream when he can&#39;t smoke his cigar in somebody&#39;s private home during location filming. Plus, Berenger insisted on staying in character, ALWAYS, even at the wrap party. Good God.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    "Rough Riders"

    by Mister Man

    Brian Keith, on the other hand, was a true gentleman in his last performance, as President McKinley. Class act all the way.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Washington would be very interesting, but

    by scrumdiddly

    it wouldn&#39;t be possible to do a Washington biopic without setting it partially during America&#39;s founding, and without skewing history beyond anything Hollywood has ever done.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Good luck with those "secret" set photos, Pookie

    by Doc_McCoy

    Now that you&#39;ve announced your intentions to the world and the identity of you and your mom are surely easily guessed by those involved in the production who read this.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST

    I agree with the snub for Goodfellas...

    by vinceklortho

    But, I believe the royal fuck up the ass is when Scorcese lost to Robert Redford for Ordinary People in 1980. Scorcese only directed that one movie about Jake LaMotta, a little picture called Raging Fucking Bull. Holy shit, that&#39;s a snub!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I concur Vince. Let&#39;s see, Raging Bull/Ordinary People

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    It&#39;s not even close. BIGGEST OSCAR SNUB EVER!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Getting tired

    by Gungan Slayer

    I&#39;m getting tired of these DiCaprio/Scorsese pairings...

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Guaranteed Oscar Formula

    by Liberty Valance

    Marty should just put together a project about two Jews (one with autism, one with a degenerative disease) who embrace homosexual love while trying to survive the horrors of the Holocaust. Thing would win 20 fuckin&#39; Oscars.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    ...and Scorsese and HE knocked that sucker . . . .

    by Barry Egan

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    The Post Snub, Snub

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Oh, I completely agree on the Raging Bull snub

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    DiCaprio is a fuck-nose twit.

    by SickPuppy

    I work on Mackinac Island in the summers and he was there 2 years ago. Acted like he owned the place. When the one grocery store on the island didn&#39;t have some item he wanted, he threw a fucking fit, screaming "Don&#39;t you know who I am?" LIke they could fire up their Star Trek replicator and make him some Earl Grey tea, hot. God, I hated Titanic. Made him into a Titanic shit.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by conniebrean

    While I agree that the greatest Oscar snub was Ordinary People over Raging Bull, I&#39;m surprised nobody&#39;s mentioned Shakespeare in Love over Saving Private Ryan. That&#39;s certainly a top contender for biggest mistake in recent memory.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    No No No!!!

    by tommyjenkins

    I&#39;m dying to see a TR biopic as he was by far our greatest President...but Scorcese/DiCaprio??? Ugh!!! DiCaprio does not have the vitality, passion, wholesomeness, nor squeeky voice to embody young TR. They need an unknown. My vote for director goes to ROBERT RODRIGUEZ...except for the battle of Kettle Hill sequence, which should be directed by MICHAEL BAY.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Ordinary People is much better then it&#39;s given credit f

    by BigTuna

    It&#39;s a shame that it&#39;s become known as that film that robbed Scorcesse and Raging Bull. While I agree RB is a superior film, I don&#39;t think there&#39;s a world of difference between the two films like most. I&#39;m also convinced that a lot of people who talk about RB being robbed haven&#39;t seen ordinary People (No, not people on this talkback)

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Teddy Roosevelt was a sickly twig in his youth...

    by Batutta

    It wasn&#39;t until later that he became obsessed with physical fitness and beefed up. This movie is about his younger days.

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Ordinary People isn&#39;t that bad...

    by vinceklortho

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I second Liberty Valance&#39;s idea...

    by Orbots Commander

    Martin Scorsese presents, My Left Brokeback Auschwitz Foot, starring Leonardo Dicaprio as an autistic, paralyzed, concentration camp survivor who suppresses his homosexual love for his sheepherder friend who teaches him how to read while on their fateful voyage on the doomed oceanliner, Lusitania. Guaranteed Oscar winner I tells ya!

  • Feb. 13, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    There&#39;s Taylor, there&#39;s Tyler, there&#39;s Filmore...

    by Osmosis Jones

    ...and there&#39;s Hayes, there&#39;s William Henry Harrison "I died in 30 days!"

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Scorsese is better off without the Oscar...

    by zikade zarathos

    Historically, it&#39;s better to be showered with critical praise but not awards... Hitchcock, Ozu, Kubrick, Bergman, Welles, Kurosawa. The greatest directors of all time never got a DIRECTING Oscar, but got an honorary LIFETIME one at the end of their run... and some didn&#39;t even get that. Scorsese doesn&#39;t need it, and he&#39;s in better company without one than with one.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m of the camp that says The Aviator would&#39;ve been a

    by Demosthenes2

    ...great film if Leo hadn&#39;t been in it. Too bad Martin likes him so much; I can&#39;t imagine my opinion of his acting skills will change and his presence should continue to taint Scorsese&#39;s further works...

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST


    by NiceMarmot

    Yes, Raging Bull was better than Ordinary People, but Redford&#39;s flick wasn&#39;t too shabby either. Frankly, I thought The Elephant Man shoulda beat them both. Either that or Flash Gordon. Heh. As for Shakespeare in Love beating SPR, that one sounds pretty bad, but I never saw Shakespeare in Love, so I&#39;ll reserve judgement. But the worst BP snub has to be 1979&#39;s. Kramer vs Kramer over Apocalypse Now. I mean, what the fuck?!

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I knew this shit 1 year ago -

    by Spacesheik

    scorcese is doing a theodore roosevelt film with di caprio - wheres the news? this is old stuff - anyone of us couldve posted this bit of news

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Oscar snubs

    by Rasputin77

    Apocalypse Now was snubbed? Really? Kramer vs Kramer is a terrific film. Just becasue it is a small family drama, doesn&#39;t make it unrewarding. It has Dustin Hoffman&#39;s and Meryl Streep&#39;s best performances! I have nothing bad to say about Apocalypse now, but I don&#39;t think it was an injustice for it to lose to Kramer vs Kramer. Raging Bull (and Goodfellas) however should have gotten Scorsese at least one best director nod. As much as I love David Lynch, Elephant Man is no Raging Bull -the best American film of the last quarter century! And Shakespeare in Love deserved to beat Saving Private Ryan. Not because it was a great film, but because SPR is complete tripe. Typical Spielberg flag-waving, over-sentimantal crap! The man is incapable of subtlty.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    i will bet over three posts and i win

    by dr.bulber

    im good.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 3:28 a.m. CST

    This is from Variety on 9-11-05

    by Han Solomente

    Posted: Sun., Sep. 11, 2005, 10:00pm PT Par sez bully to Teddy bio Scorsese&#39;s DiCaprio starrer on the &#39;Rise&#39; By MICHAEL FLEMING Paramount Pictures has optioned the Pulitzer Prize-winning Edmund Morris book "The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt" and will develop it for Martin Scorsese to direct and Leonardo DiCaprio to star as the 26th U.S. president. Nicholas Meyer is writing the script. Pic will chronicle the formative years of Roosevelt as he reinvented himself from a slight and privileged New York politician with a Harvard degree to the burly commander of the Rough Riders, a track that would lead him to the New York governorship, the vice presidency and the White House, when William McKinley was assassinated. Daniella Taplin, who controlled the book, will produce with Scorsese and Appian Way&#39;s DiCaprio and Brad Simpson. "From the first page of the book, ... his life reads like a movie that requires a big bag of popcorn," Meyer said. "...We start at 25, as he begins to transform himself through sheer force of will from this asthmatic, nearsighted 125-pounder to this Sherman tank of a man so tough that he once got shot on the way to make a speech and completed his talk, bleeding with a bullet in his chest." The deal comes as DiCaprio and Scorsese are in the midst of their third film together, "The Departed," the Warner Bros. remake of the Hong Kong crime drama "Infernal Affairs." The duo also made "Gangs of New York" and "The Aviator" together. Meyer, whose most recent credits are "The Human Stain," an adaptation of the novel "The Crimson Petal and White" for Curtis HansonCurtis Hanson and a just-completed rewrite of "Escape of the Pacific Clipper" for Fox, honed the young Teddy take with Taplin before enlisting DiCaprio and Scorsese, the director who, like Roosevelt, overcame childhood asthma. Paramount senior vice president of production Pam Abdy is overseeing the project. Date in print: Mon., Sep. 12, 2005, Los Angeles

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Ordinary People & Kramer vs. Kramer...

    by Mr. Shhhh the same boat as American Beauty. Underwhelming movies that were just well-acted. Raging Bull was a work of art. Fuck 1980.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 4:46 a.m. CST

    As much as i enjoy goodfellas

    by Colonel_Blimp

    I actually think Dances With Wolves is a better film. And of course, a more obvious oscar winner. it is the oscars we&#39;re talking about here folks.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Anyone who has read Morris&#39; book should know . . .

    by HarrisonsDad

    . . . that it will take two actors to really pull this off. "The Rise of Theodore Roosevelt" doesn&#39;t just cover his youth (which in my humble opinion is the only part Di-CRAP-rio should play). This book goes well into his building and managing a ranch out west, being a deputy sheriff, San Juan Hill, NYC Police Commisioner, Governor, Vice President, etc. . . this is Teddy&#39;s life! Edmund Morris&#39; book is my favorite biography. If Scorcese wants to go past Teddy&#39;s youth, either Di-CRAP-rio is going to have to bulk up, or a second actor will be needed and I can&#39;t see Leo pulling a Jake LaMotta like DeNiro did.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Scorsese is the Greatest American Filmaker Still Workin

    by moleperson78

    I know its the most cliche thing to say. its true-Altman and Woody are pretty close though-and Steven is getting closer every minute. I loved The Avivator, and Gangs of New York, but i loved Bringing Out the Dead even more. I&#39;m not saying that to sound like a hipster or some indie fuck but I just get all wet when Scorsese hits the streets to make a movie-I know it had Cage (who i think is a great actor)--he seems to be making movies that closer to old hollywood now-when he started he was making Sam Fuller-cassevettes- ealy fellini style movies-they are just different ones not better than the other--now it seems like he wants to make The Leopard, or Giant a great movie that loads and loads and loads of people like and not get offened...i mean Gangs still had some pretty ugly shit in it-but not like Casino or Goodfellas or Taxi Driver or Raging Bull-hes so diverse it will great---hes always amazing...i just hope he makes one more gritty street movie-its all i want for christmas...

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    by moleperson78

    and him and Leo do make a great team. Leo needed that a great director-so he wouldn&#39;t make you know Man with the Iron Mask type things-hes so good-you feel for him the whole way through

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    by moleperson78

    yeah...and him and Leo do make a great team-Leo needed that a great director--to hone his skills-not that Boyle or Cameron are not very good its just Scorsese is another level completely-this team will talked about decades from now--I miss De Niro will some smart writer/director give him a real job i see Godsend and Hide and Seek and cry

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Zikade is right, Scorcese will get the Lifetime Oscar..

    by vinceklortho

    just like Altman is getting one this year. All those directors from the seventies are getting their due, the ones that managed to slip through, even though they had a tremendous body of work. And, if my calculations are correct, Kubrick never ever won an Oscar, right? Or Hitchcock? amazing, huh?

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    I understand that...

    by FiendishMilt37

    ...if Scorsese makes one more film with Leonardo DiCaprio, we all win free iPods. HARD TO BELIEVE!!

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Costner should not have won over Scorsese

    by moleperson78

    in 1990, thats such fucking bullshit-complete crap, Dances with Wolves is a good movie-i only saw it twice, once in the theatre when i was real little-then again on video like six years ago-and i have to say there is no way its better than goodfellas-not in terms of directing-look at the shit scorsese does in that movie with the camera linking to the music the actors, the the story arcs, the doc/MTV kind of style, he makes u care for the characters without ever getting fluffy, and everybody riped him off after that one---and Costner shouldn&#39;t have won anyway look what he did with the success Waterworld, The Postman, Open Range-I think i&#39;d rather watch a good ole Dr. Bowl picture then any of that shit

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST


    by Colonel_Blimp

    you really should rewatch dww (get a proper widescreen version). it&#39;s one of the most nuanced, subtle and beautiful westerns this side of john ford. and that&#39;s costner&#39;s achievement, through and through. the fact that it was his directorial debut makes it even more impressive. *** goodfellas is a marvelous film too, but I have to disagree with you on the care for characters point. my only gripe with goodfellas is that I have little or no emotional involvement, empathy or sympathy for the protagonist. Liotta as Henry, although well acted, is to me unsympathetic and sort of uninvolving. I&#39;m much more interested in bracco&#39;s, deNiro&#39;s, Pesci&#39;s and Sorvino&#39;s characters. (I realize this is completely a matter of taste, and that there are LOT of people disagreeing with me.) That, for me, prevents Goodfellas from being as good a film as DWW is. I&#39;m not saying that a protagonist has to be sympathetic, but I have to care for him, and I need an emotional hook to relate to him. (actually, that&#39;s sort of my problem with a lot of marty&#39;s films, and why I ultimately prefer Spielberg to him.) Maybe the academy voters thought the same? It is, in the end, a matter of taste, and people vote for those movies that most appeal to them. There is more to directing than just technical virtuosity. I don&#39;t know quite where I&#39;m going with this, but if is six years since you last watched DWW; and that was on VHS, I reccomend you rewatch it before you discuss its lack of merit. btw, costner didn&#39;t direct waterworld. (didn&#39;t proofread this, sorry if it&#39;s messy)

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    It should have ben a split

    by Wee Willie

    Wolves for Best Picture, Scorsese for Best Director. Plus, as much as I love Dances With Wolves, Goodfellas is a work of CINEMA. Wolves is just a really, really good movie.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Goodfellas is a perfectly crafted movie...

    by vinceklortho

    Dances with Wolves is a damn fine movie as well. But, goddam it, that fastpaced editing at the end for Henry&#39;s paranoid coke binge is complete perfection. You can&#39;t take anything away from Dances with Wolves; fantastic on DVD. But, Goodfellas will stand the test of time for it&#39;s technical expertise.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Enough of the crying over Scorcesse not having an Oscar

    by BigTuna

    I&#39;m so tired of hearing it. So what? The man has millions and probably cares less then you geeks whining about it on the internet.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I guess its a matter of personal taste...

    by moleperson78

    I do get involved in Scorsese&#39;s characters emotionally he likes to follow the loner types-even say Howard Hughes became that in the end, same thing with Croenberg&#39;s, Cassevette&#39;s, Bergman&#39;s,Solondz&#39;s and Kubrick&#39;s, Von Trier&#39;s, Park-Wook&#39;s i guess i can understand why one wouldn&#39;t feel the same- they not always exactly likable, those directors tend to keep a distant eye on the characters, not always make them look sympatheic-I do love Demme and Spielberg who do want you to care for the characters-its just a different approach...I had a 72 inch when i watcj DWW and it is beatiful and powerful--but i can&#39;t watch all day the way i can with goodfellas Waterworld (1995) Directed by Kevin Reynolds Kevin Costner (uncredited)

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 2:57 p.m. CST


    by JediGBus

    clip a tear-jerking ending to an average or good movie and you got yourself an oscar for the best pic of (insert year).

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Did anyone like Open Range?

    by moleperson78

    Its just a question thats been boggling my mind for a long, long time, and i wanted to know the i went to see-thought it sucked real bad and every critic from blah blah to ebert loved the fucking turd of a movie...I mean Duvalls talent was so wasted on that thing---Costner in it reminded me of Starman in Space

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    by moleperson78

    I meant Starman in the West...damn even thinking about movie makes me retarder

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I thought Open Range had it&#39;s moments...

    by BigTuna

    It was WAY too long, which is a problem with many Costner films. It took so damn long to get started with too many scenes of the guys playing cards and shots of the wilderness. Once the plot got going in the second half, I thought it was a solid western. The gunfight was one of the best i&#39;ve ever seen. And of course Kevin added another 20 minutes at the end he didn&#39;t need too.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t know how anyone can mention the Goodfellas snub

    by SK909

    ...and not mention Raging Bull, which is the best work he&#39;s ever done, possibly the most flawlessly artistic film ever made. I find Taxi Driver more involving, but I think that, empirically, Raging Bull is put together like the Sistine Chapel. Just flawless, pure art. Anyway, as far as I&#39;m concerned, he&#39;s fucking done. This continues the trend that I simply cannot understand, wherein everyone fawns over has-beens and pays no attention to possible gonna-bes. I guess that&#39;s cause we don&#39;t really have many of those who&#39;ve lived up to early promise lately. It&#39;s like every young director comes up after breaking through with an indy and the first people they wanna work with are Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffman, and Jack Nicolson. Even DeNiro or Robin Williams. The only possible exception is a Bill Murray, but there&#39;s reasons for that. Anyway, this would be the equivalent of Scorsese, back in the mid 70&#39;s, wanting to do films with an aging Cary Grant or Audrey Hepburn and DeNiro wanting to work with a director like Alfred Hitchcock. They&#39;d never meet each other cause they&#39;d all be too worried about working with people who are way over the hill artistically. It&#39;s the same thing today. A young actor coming up on the New York city scene dreams of getting cast in a Woody Allen, Lumet, or Scorsese movie, but doesn&#39;t stop and think, Hey maybe that guy I just did a short with or an indy feature has more to say at this point than the dinosaurs I&#39;m dreaming about. Then the work comes out, like with the Aviator or Gangs, and it sucks royally, can&#39;t hold a torch to their early work, and everyone still pretends like its&#39; just as good. It&#39;s like when I saw Cate Blanchett (who SUCKED in Aviator, Martin Short would have done a better, less annoying job) with Scorsese on Charlie Rose. All she and DiCaprio did was beam at him like he had the rays of heaven coming out of his ass for putting them in his film and yet she could be doing much more interesting work playing who the fuck knows what... a barmaid, ANYTHING besides another famous person in an interesting young director&#39;s film. Remember the good old days, when directors used an actor&#39;s charisma and naturally interesting qualities in order to have them play your average bank robber? A crazy person? A newly single mom searching for her way(hello Scorsese, Alice Doesn&#39;t Live Here Anymore? Apparently neither does Marty) I don&#39;t even want to go on about every actor now wanting to be in a biopic or to play someone famous. Seriously, these are now universally considered serious films when, 20 years ago, they could barely make it onto television as a mini-series. Oh, and btw, Katherine Hepburn wasn&#39;t annoying, just watch her in a classic like Summertime to see how self-absorbed and off-the-mark the portrayal was.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 4:50 p.m. CST

    the gun fight was just sloppy editing

    by moleperson78

    i concluded thats what it was-i felt disorinted-in theory i like the idea of heroes triping over shit in a gunfight (3 Kings was great)-it was just messy though and i think mostly far one of the best gun fights ever-i fucking love westerns soooo i can think of like 50 thousand that were better than that one-for instance the end of The Wild Bunch is the obvious classic-- and yeah--it was too long (i mean i wish it never started but) what the fuck was Costner blabbing about at the end---when he was talking to Annette Benning about how much he loved her and how he like chocolate or something--silly stuff-i fell down laughing with tears in my eyes

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST


    by Colonel_Blimp

    good points. kudos for keeping it civilized. the point isn&#39;t that the characters are supposed to be sympathetic, as in likeable, but I need to care about them. I&#39;m not a sucker for emotional schmaltz, and I absolutely adore kubrick&#39;s protagonists (pretty much all of them). Haven&#39;t seen any cassavetes or park-wook, have only seen happiness of solondz, which I thought was terrific (getting you to empathize with a pederast is no mean feat for a director). I like some of von trier&#39;s (kingdom is great, i thought the idiots was awful and overrated), and haven&#39;t really gotten into bergman yet (seen some of it, but I just feel I&#39;m too young - 23). I do relate to a lot of scorsese&#39;s protagonists (travis, rupert pupkin, ace rothstein, howard hughes, and up to a point lamotta), but I just have trouble with henry hill. I just don&#39;t give a shit about him. I don&#39;t know if that is because of the script or the actor (liotta is an excellent actor but, like nick nolte, I can&#39;t really stand him) or whatever, but I just don&#39;t get what makes him tick. "all my life, I wanted to be a gangster", that&#39;s just on the surface for me. I just can&#39;t get an emotional hook on him. But I guess that&#39;s my problem, and not the movie&#39;s (it&#39;s not that I need an explanation to Hill&#39;s character ala Hughes&#39; mother being obsessive with bacteria when he was a kid (that just feels tacked on), I don&#39;t know...sometimes it just klicks, sometimes it doesn&#39;t.)

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST

    I Loved Gangs and Avivator SK909

    by moleperson78

    I love Lumet,Altman, and love woody allen Match Point was the best English language movie of last year if you ask me-so maybe i&#39;m not the guy to agrue this point but I kinda see what you&#39;re saying but then look at the great casts that P.T. Anderson gets, or Tarantino, or Wes Anderson, or Darren Arfnosky, or David Fincher, or Davod Russell Cameron Crowe, or the list goes on...and yes Scorsese, Spielberg, Lumet, Woody Allen, all get great casts but so did David Lean, George Steven, John Ford, Howard Hawks, Alfred Hitchcock (connery in Marnie), Kubrick (he shouldn&#39;t count cause he&#39;s a flat genius) all towards the end of thier careers and we got Psycho, The Birds,Marnie, Rio Bravo, A Passage to India, Giant, Seven Women, Eyes Wide Shut because it---but yeah i think you&#39;re responding to the fact that Hollywood has infact become Hollwood (1950s) again and we may be missing out on some edgier films that come out because of it--all the director aforementioned found a way very quick to assimialte into the Hollywood system without selling out...i guess thats the stradegy- I mean Scorsese&#39;s Raging Bull is grittier than anything those guys put out and that was like way into his carrer

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST


    by moleperson78

    I take you got name from the Powell Pressburger film-which is a really great film by the way...yeah i have a friend who is a pretty heavy duty drug dealer and he hates henry hill in the movie because of the narcing thing-and how hes an ass at the end about-i agree that its about if it clicks--oh you should definetly see Breaking the Waves the Von Trier film, and Oldboy and Sympathy from Park-wook they are mindblowing experiences---Im 21 and ive been watching Bergman for like ten years hes films always found a way to my heart

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    bingo on the name, mister.

    by Colonel_Blimp

    I&#39;ve seen breaking the waves, and while I admit it is a good movie, it just bums me out. it so depressing. just like kids (I&#39;ve stayed away from larry clark&#39;s films after that one). Oldboy is on my to see list. On bergman, I&#39;ve actually just seen scenes from a marriage, and just felt I need to be married to fully appreciate it. so while I&#39;m waiting for that to happen, I&#39;ll enjoy my ford, spielberg and kubrick in the meantime. hey, this tb is starting to get quite highbrow.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Have you folks seen the doc....

    by vinceklortho

    A Decade Under the Influence? Good one about 70&#39;s filmmaking and how it changed the landscape. Kinda fits into what SK009 and mole are talking about; breakdown of the studio system in the seventies; allowing more indie films to be made and then a complete reversal in the late seventies with blockbuster movies like Jaws and Star Wars creating multi-millions in merchandising. Intersting stuff. It&#39;s Hollywood. It seems like there&#39;s loopholes every now and then for a young indie director to break through. There&#39;s a lot of really good stuff out there just have to look for it.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST

    colonel and mole.....

    by vinceklortho

    good convo. here. Finally a good film discussion. By the way, colonel, if you think breaking the waves is depressing, wait until you see Oldboy. Powerful movie, though. that should be tops on the rent list.

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Wow, an interesting talkback

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Wow, I check back on this talkback and what do I find? An intelligent discussion on film. You guys better knock it off, you

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by moleperson78

    Saw Decade Under the Influence-I thought it was great-talked about most of my favorite 2nd generation american filmakers-where they came from and how they devolped...I mean sometimes indie filmakers break through look at David Gordon Greene (George Washington, All the Real Girls, Undertow), Tarnation blew me the fuck away, Darren Arfosky, or I know hes older Jim Jarmusch there are so many more i feel im forgetting, I have have a soft spot Eli Roth too-he captures the feel of those eary 80 horrors i loved as a kid-You don&#39;t have to indie to be great look at Mamet, PT Anderson or Atom Egoyan(Candian). I wish more would come out of the woodwork and when they did they didnt go from making Girlfight to Aeon Flux(which was okay)-Breaking the Waves was kind of depressing (thats what i love about Von trier-like an ugly truth)-I saw Kids and felt the way you did at first-i saw in a theatre my older cousin took me to fucked up shit--but as life happened i saw a lot reality in it...Scences From A Marriage i love that, but i love Cries and Whisphers, Winter Light and The Virgin Spring which is what Wes Craven based Last House on the Left on and Shame which almost nobody mentions-yeah there all pretty dark and heavy-Bergman is like Kafka,Doestoevsky or Nietzche when your ready for-your ready for it...I think the actor/genre/director of the week is a great idea

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 9:03 p.m. CST

    BIG TUNA-Ordinary People was real good

    by moleperson78

    and people talk about like its shit---that said yeah Raging Bull--is a lot better-but its kind of an unfair argument

  • Feb. 14, 2006, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by maximusdecimus

    I hope it will actually be worth a shit coz Gangs of New york was so fuckin&#39; bad i never saw the Aviator. Although The Departed might be worth a look.

  • Feb. 15, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    The Fucking Hollywood Golden Boy as Badass Teddy?

    by chien_sale


  • Feb. 15, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Ban chien_sale

    by HarrisonsDad

    This a$$wipe nees to be taught a lesson about stretching the talk-back!

  • Feb. 16, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Teddy vs. Alienist

    by Holgi65

    it&#39;s just wishful thinking, but wouldnt&#39;t it be fun if Marty would do Caleb Carr&#39;s ALIENIST ?