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How Sirius is this Gary Oldman situation?
Update:
Hey Quint,
I was a little worried about the Gary Oldman situation too. However, the guy
sover at Mugglenet, which are on the top of their game with their Potter news
ans always make sure to identify what is strictly rumor and what is not
confirmed say otherwise directly from Warner Bros. I know this to be a
reliable source, because I know the guy who founded it, and they are always in
contact with Warner Bros. to confrim casting and other Potter movie tidbits.
They too had the news with the same quotes about Gary Oldman possibly not
returning, but their most recent headline about it says other wise. On
February 7, one of their headlines stated, "Roles of Gary Oldman and David
Thewlis confirmed," followed by the short blurb, "We've just been told by
Warner Bros that both actors (playing Sirius Black and Lupin, respectively)
are still under negotiations to appear in Order of the Phoenix - they will
begin filming this summer. This comes just as rumors earlier today reported
the contrary." You can confirm that at www.mugglenet.com. They also have
more recent casting tidbits about a good amount of the minor characters from
Order of the Phoenix as well, it seems Warner Bros has been doing mucho
casting right now. All right, well that's all I got for now. Hope this calms
the waters some.
If you use this call me Glengary Glen Brad
Rejoice!!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here... sorry for that headline. That would have been one that my freshman Journalism teacher would have loved, but then she loved her some really dumb-ass corny headlines. I got a message from Harry saying I should post something on this Gary Oldman/Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix talk going around the internet. I saw it a couple days ago, but I was buried in the Santa Barbara Film Festival and figured Harry would grab it. He claims "Potter Ignorance" and tells me I should bring it up.
Read the below if you have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll be waiting for you at the bottom.
Sources:
Gary Oldman will apparently not be reprising his role of Sirius Black in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix.
Oldman's manager Douglas Urbanski told The Sun: "You will be shocked to learn there are no plans for Gary to appear in the film. We are left with no choice but to pursue other employment for him."
Meanwhile, Warner Brothers do not rule out the possibility of a deal being struck in the near future, even though filming has begun. A studio source is quoted as saying: "We cannot say at the moment whether Gary Oldman will be in the film or not."
Oldman appeared as Black in the last two films in the franchise based on J.K. Rowling's creation, The Prisoner of Azkaban and The Goblet of Fire.
Those Potter fans out there are now pretty alarmed. Unliked his short appearance in GOBLET OF FIRE, Sirius Black (and his house... and family) plays a major, major role in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. But calm down... have a mint. First of all, this could all be hubbub and jibber-jabber. Even if true, if you read the above quotes closely it seems pretty clear that there is still a deal being worked out. If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Oldman's people are trying to get him a bigger piece of the Potter pie.
Warner Bros has made... what? $4 billion? $5 billion? on these films. Pay him what he wants. He's a terrific Sirius Black and to see no Gary Oldman in ORDER OF THE PHOENIX... well, there'll be hell to pay with the fans. We love the continuity hasn't been altered with the series, except where it absolutely couldn't be helped (with Dumbledore). Hopefully we'll get final word on this soon. What do you folks think?
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I thought he was headed to Sirius satellite with Howard
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Apparently there was a miss-communication and Oldman is now definitely on-board for Order of the Phoenix (if you've read the book, you'll realise that he'd HAVE to be). I don't recommend taking The Sun as a great source of news.
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my whole life has brought me to this moment...FIRST!
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Of course it's wrong.
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Truly the final word in British journalistic integrity..... /endsarcasm
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"Gary Oldman, who played Sirius Black in Prisoner of Azkaban, WILL be returning for Order of the Phoenix, despite reports from his manager that he had yet to be. Also re-joining the cast is David Thewlis, who played Professor Lupin in the third film as well. Both of them start filming over the summer."
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Most of their stories are simply made up, it's like a story newspaper. There's about as much truth in a single issue of the Sun as their is the Potter books themselves.
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... He just wants to extract some extra coin from Warners for his client. Goldman rules as Sirius Black, by the way.
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That just screams 'manuvering for a better paycheck/bigger role/higher billing'. I say that because I can't buy that the WB would be doing any dicking around with the story, considering Rowling's iron grip on the series so far. Either the WB is low-balling him, or his management are total idiots. I know this would be a much more expansive and, likely, grueling shoot than the other two, but damn...this is one of those things where you collect the damn paycheck and take your place in history.
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Parvati Patil - Prisoner of Azkaban - Sitara Shah, Goblet of Fire - Shefali Chowdhury; Angelina Johnson - Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban - Danielle Tabor, Goblet of Fire - Tiana Benjamin. Just sayin.
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They've already screwed up the continuity with PoA, in my opinion, so I wouldn't be surprised. Glad to see this has all been refuted, though.
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Have you been watching the same movie series? Just about everything in POA was changed from the previous movies, GOF did have better continuity but still changed some things.
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...markmywordz...
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I, personally, think that Gary's agent is being a jerk. Stop scaring the fans. You KNOW that Sirius (and Gary Oldman) will be in Harry Potter. Of course, it always comes down to money. I bet that Gary's agent is rubbing his hands together in glee thinking of the money. Greedy bastard.
I mean, honestly, Gary's agent would be hanging his client if Gary weren't in this film. Sirius is one of the most loved characters in Harry Potter. Siriously. ;)
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I can just tell you that I know from personal inside information, that his agent is definitely doing this.
In the end, Gary WILL be in the film, it's just a matter of how much money WB is willing to pay. -
and in PoA the laces on Draco's shoes where of a slightly different hue than in CoS, and Hagrids beard is half an inch shorter in GoF, but he never said anything about trimming it, so that can't be the explanation, and at one point, itchy strikes the same rib tiwce on the scratchy skeleton xylophone yet produces two clearly different tones. are we supposed to believe this is some sort of magic xylophone or something? ENOUGH WITH THE CONTINUITY RANTS LOSERS!
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One of the above article says: "...he did pull out of Star Wars movie Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith in a row over the way it was being made". That's BS! Oldman is a member of SAG and Lucasfilm works only with non-SAG people. He was offered a role (nothing "sirius", but being the voice of General Grievous), and refused to do it for his own safety.
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apparently he wasn't able to emote well enough, so harry potter will now be played by oprah winfrey.
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and 50 Cent is working on the score as we speak.
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http://www.mugglenet.com/newsfusion/fullnews.php?id=1773
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Hmmmm ... I wonder why?
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I wish he could imitate me right now, probably not . . .
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I find it hard to believe that Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen and most of all Samuel L. Jackson(could swear I've seen pictures of him at SAG events) are all non-SAG actors. Got nothing against Gary Oldman personally, but if that's his story for why he dropped out of Ep. 3, it's pretty weak.
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"Just about everything in POA was changed from the previous movies" --- perhaps part of the reason POA was so much better than the first two, maybe. --- As for your comment Randall Flagg, you have to admit those are pretty much non-characters, at least compared to Sirius. I don't even remember who 'Angelina Johnson' IS, from the books OR films.
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wait, this is SAG we're talking about, right? not the fucking teamsters. what happens if you break SAG rules? they ban you from the good restaurants? or do the SAG members who are also waiters (about 80% of members) spit in your food?
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Harry Potter star Gary Oldman is getting killed off in the series because he is such a nightmare to work with, according to reports in the US.
The sexy 47-year old actor is a hit as Sirius Black, but insiders say his egotistical behaviour and demand for more money is sending everyone around the bend.
Now insiders say WB executives are desperate to kill him off from the hit series. A deal has been reached, one insider has said, but "he is getting killed off as soon as they could write it in." -
The Sun is a load of rubbish that makes up its news most of the time. Gary Oldman will of course be in the next film.
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Chaser for the Gryffindor Quidditch team, she's the one that Freorge asks to the ball by throwing paper at her (in the movie; in the book it's "Oi! Angelina! Wanna go to the ball with me?"
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Warner Brothers emailed me saying that Oldman had been confirmed for the next film, but his manager came out and said there was still no deal. It sounds to me that WB really, REALLY wants him back, they know the fans would flip their shit if he didn't return. He'll be back, albeit a bigger paycheck this time.
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Mugglent has shit on this story. MTV put Oldman as returning for Phoenix before any announcement was made by WB, that's bad reporting right there. WB said Oldman WAS returning, Oldman's manager said NO DEAL YET. We're still waiting on WB to make an announcement, and right now there is absolutely no deal for Oldman to return. Here's a direct quote: "VANESSA DAVIS, spokeswoman for production company Warner Brothers, confirms no deal has been reached, but insists there is still time to resolve the confusion. She says, "With any film the priority is confirming the cast who will be on the set from the outset."
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Kill off the character. That'll teach him.
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do any of you guys ever check in on the Zone??? this news was reported and then quickly DEBUNKED days ago over there. maybe if harry wasn't so busy organizing his hate campaign against X3 he'd have a fucking clue to what is going on with big films like HP, or even what the fuck has been reported by users of his own fucking site. Oldman most certainly is on board and will be doing his work on the HP film this summer.
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Gabriel Byrne anyone?
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FUCK THEM IN THE EAR IF THEY DON'T RESIGN GARY OLDMAN. The studio dicks him with this role, who's to say they won't screw him with his Gordon role in Christopher Nolan's BATMAN franchise. This is most unsettling news. GET IT TOGETHER WARNER'S!!!
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Since Oldman was to play the role in several films, signing him to them in the beginning seems like a good idea in hindsight.
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Gary Oldman is a brilliant actor who will never be out of work and Harry Potter is a load of arse anyway. Any adult who would have an interest in these movies is a total fuckin' pansy!
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Fuckin' DUH. Old news AND debunked. Oldman isn't being a prick. His agent might be, but all good agents are. Plus, Oldman was only written in to showup in the fire scene in GoF for time issues in the script. Fuckin' DUH. It would do no good for Oldman to start shit with the WB anyways... They own a little series by the name of BATMAN in case you forgot.
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I can't believe POA is RIP W/O ROTS and LOTR. WTF????
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that would suck if no oldman.
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Trying to to Burn The Sun?
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Might save them some pennies too!
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The original quote made it seem like he wasn't going to return but it's just that he wasn't signed for definite. We've had no official confirmation of many of the actors returning, including Robbie Coltrane, Michael Gambon, Alan Rickman and Maggie Smith, but I think we can assume they will all be returning along with Gary Oldman. Why would he not return when he did Goblet Of Fire. OK, he was just a voice in that but he was very keen on the series at that point.
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hahaha I thought after Howard still couldnt bring SIRIUS close to the amount of XM subscribers, they got desperate and are hiring anyone with any amount of talent to do a show (I think Gary Oldman is one of the greatest actors around, I'd listen to his show)
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... they should pay Oldman the fucking money and do it right, considering they should have signed him for more than one picture the first time.
Don't fuck with the movies, and certainly don't fuck with the fans. -
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/#article:8337
Dont worry people, he is in! -
Over an article posted in the newspaper version of an internet troll "The Sun." Get a grip, he's doing the movie and if that "quote" from his manger is even real it is probably over a year old.
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You should really think about spell-checking those posts of yours, especially considering you're going to be so anal when it comes to the stuff Quint posts. ;^)
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"We are left with no choice but to pursue other employment for him." Hurry, get this man a job! He has to work or he'll die! Heh heh.
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Ye gods man, don't start it again...when will the hell end? And I uh MEANT to say manger, yah that's it, as in born in one, uh yes, it's all true.
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This has got to be false. Gary Oldman is Sirius Black; just as it should be.
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That's what OOTP will do if they get anyone else but Oldman as Sirius Black!
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And where did you get this information, btw?
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If they're going to recast, they should bring in Roth to replace Fiennes for Voldemort. Maybe they'll make Voldemort an actually scary threat, rather than a prancing alien looking dude.
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I'm lurking you know. You could make me hulk out like before and rant to end all rants! The other dangerous thing about provoking me is that I've noticed lately my posts are so boring they kill a thread swiftly and without remorse._______Back on thread, Oldman is the greatest. Bring him back, whatever it takes.
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to the tune of $600 million
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Looks like they were a little premature as well.
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I wouldn't say GARY OLDMAN was in Goblet of Fire. It didn't even look like him.
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Raw Bean says POA was soooooo much better than the other two, so that is why it is commercially the least successful of all 4 Potter movies? The public who pay for the tickets didn't seem to think so.
If there is a new Sirius this will damage the OotP movie, so hopefully whoever is being a jerk will come to an agreement.
As for Colonel Blimp, don't be childish and stupid "shoe laces and beard length" hardly compare with Professor Flitwick changing over the summer holidays from an old man to Adolf Hitler's Mini Me.
GOF having the same Lucius Malfoy appearing again, gives the audience who watched him in COS a great connection with the whole series, reimaginig him would have hurt the scene when he is reintroduced. Likewise Moaning Myrtle appearing in GOF as she looked in COS again helps GOF. Continuity isn't nerdy, it is sensible and treats the audience as intelligent adults. The public expect a movie sequel to be like the next episode of a TV series. -
What she said has long since been proven false. (That's why he got custody of his kids.) She was making it all up because she was a parasite losing her cash cow.
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wtach out? what did I say for you to rant about? Seppuku gave me some good natured ribbing and I answered good naturedly. Drink less coffee dude save your rant threats for someone who cares.
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ROBE, continuity isn't necessarily nerdy, but being anal about it certainly is. and I mean nerdy in a BAD way. whining about a background character like flitwick, or the change of geography etc. is, imo, just as stupid as arguing about hagrid's beard length. flitwick's new appearance (not recasting) compares to a hypothetical recasting of major pivotal characters like sirius or lucius how excactly? people who feel the reimagining of flitwick ruined the entire movie belong in an institution muttering "three minutes to wapner. definitely." to themselves.
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Sirius Black Dies at the end of Book 5 when Harry and company battle Voldemort giant tentacled brain.
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Umm, yeah, first, agreement with all those that are calling out The Sun - not exactly the most reliable "source". Second, I have been waiting to see this book as a film since the day I started reading it. Third, when I saw Oldman as Sirius in the POA I was soooo filled with joy that they got the casting and the character right. Fourth, WB will never be forgiven if they screw this up. Fifth, while I agree that Oldman should be given damn near whatever he wants - I also think that he is a very intelligent man and he knows he would be a fool to not complete this chracters film arch. Sixth, I don't really have a sixth...I'm just really excited that there is still so much anticipation for these films. Oh, shit, I did have a sixth...sooo, seventh, I don't love the Thewlis as Lupin - but I would still be extremely put-out if they didn't keep the character continuity with his part as well. Because I whole-heartedly agree that that is absolutely a HUGE part of the magic of these films. It's comforting to go back to this world and find the same faces staring back at you. Eight(lol, ok, ok, lastly!), am I the only one that is worried about Tom Felton (the actor who portrays Draco Malfoy) not having the chops to convincing go where his character goes in the next two films - and possibly the last film as well? (Although another of my book 7 predictions is that Voldie is going to kill the hell out of Draco for failing. Harry's sympathy for him at the end of book 6 is what led me there. This COULD effectively bring his mother or father to the side of wanting Voldie dead as well. Or, and JK also does this well, it could show you how truly evil one, or both of them, are by keeping them loyal to Voldie after he killed their own flesh and blood.)
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That makes it sound like he's going to be a janitor. Is he broke or something?
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You should be READING the damn books anyway. That's more than a little bit misleading - that comment. There is brain battling, yes. And Sirius dies, yes. But he dies battling death eaters while Harry and some other members of the DA are deep the shit and Dumbledore is dealing with Voldies re-appearance.
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...not mis-leading. I did not mean to insinuate that YOU, emeraldboy, should be reading the books. But rather, the people who have JUST seen the movies. This is one case where I think that the books and films go together nicely. There is some difference between the two, sure. But in my estimation, reading the books only enhances the experience of seeing the films.
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All the major Harry Potter sites got an email from Warner Brothers on February 7th, a day after Oldman's manager said there were no plans for him to return for PHOENIX. The email WB sent said:
|"I'm happy to confirm that both Gary Oldman and David Thewlis will be
reprising their roles in Order of the Phoenix - they begin filming later
this summer."|
The next day, however, February 8th, Oldman's manager came out and denied what WB had said, saying:
|"At this time Gary Oldman is not set to appear in the next Potter film.
I cannot explain why the studio confirmed his appearance."|
Quint's source said that Mugglenet has confirmed Oldman's return as Sirius, which is completely untrue. They missed the followup story, which is that as of this moment, right now, Oldman is not confirmed for HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX. -
I'm going to try to explain this again, but it seems that people like Col. Blimp just won't understand. What they did to PoA was take the heart of the novel out. You lose a lot of the subtext when you remove all of the Marauder's Map sub-plot. It's never explained why Sirius and Peter are animagi(I assume this is the plural of animagus) or that James is one at all. You lose out on the story of these 4 characters, why they were together, and that which makes Peter's betrayal all the worse. You lose out on the camaraderie that goes with the knowledge that they did something illegal in the world of wizards just to help their friend cope with his difference. You also lose out on the knowledge that it all ties together with Harry casting a patronus in his father's chosen form. In my opinion, they missed an opportunity to even improve on the book, leaving the revelation of James' animagus for the end. For me, all it would have taken was a minute or 2 tagged on to the end for Lupin to explain everything while he was packing. To go back and explain this all in OotP not only puts too much exposition time into the next movie, but also downplays the importance of these characters and their backstories. I'll also say, I have never said I had any problems with how PoA looked, my only problem was with what was left out of the story.
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...I agree to a certain extent. But the books tend to have inconsistencies as well. I've often wondered...well, moreso as we've gotten up into books 6 & 7, but anyway, I've wondered how much BETTER the books could have been if JK had taken the time to write books 2-7 after the initial success of TSS. Also, as a LOVER of the books (love em! and I read A LOT of books, all different kinds of books), I just have to look at the films as a different entity altogether. I'm definitely happy enough with them that I'll keep supporting them. But also, because I know there are so many people that have seen the movies in one place or another (theater, dvd, cable) but have NEVER read a page of the books - I just giggle at how much more we, the book readers, know than they do. It's like, our own GIGANTIC secret. lol. Lastly, there are a TON of movies made based on books far less popular than this series and RARELY have they gotten 1/10th as much RIGHT as the HP movies do. Now, having said that, remember that I actually agree with you. lol. BUT, I think we all have our own little bits that we'd like to see in the films. And most of us would pick something different. Me, it's Neville Longbottom and the fact that Mr. Weasley doesn't wear gasses. But hey, the films are still a gift I never expected when I first starting reading the books.
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I've never even mentioned the plot-trimming in PoA, and now all of a sudden I'm one of those people who just won't understand? I was talking about the people who shit their pants and claim PoA is crap because Flitwick doesnt look the same way as he does in CoS and PS. You're free to disagree with me, but please address something I've actually said. Actually, I rather agree with you. I too was dissapointed that the marauder backstory was excised, but I completely understand why it was done - to optimize the pacing and the dramaturgy. I still think it should be at least mentioned, as you say for instance by Lupin at the end. That said, it's not like the movie negates the backstory, and 90% of those watching the movies at that detailed a level knows the backstory anyway. PoA is probably the best of the movies, mostly because it feels annd functions completely like a proper movie, mostly thanks to the tight script. You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. Incoherent post, sorry.
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I was speaking specifically to you because of the earlier post you ended with "ENOUGH WITH THE CONTINUITY RANTS LOSERS!" Glad at least I have gotten my point across to the point people, including you, can somewhat agree with me. If you want to hear a serious rant about stuff left out of the movies, you ought to listen to my 11 yr old daughter go on about it, I'm tame by comparison.
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The flying broomstick teacher. She was the first actress kick from the series. And what about Mr. Ollivander (John Hurt)?, is a shame they don
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He may be close to it, scoobyx. His ex cleaned him out thoroughly and he's got the kids to raise. Plus he hasn't been working that much.
quote:That makes it sound like he's going to be a janitor. Is he broke or something? -
Zoe Wanamaker was let go because she had the nerve to say publicly that all the actors were underpaid!
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but cutting the marauders' backstory hasn't got anything to do with continuity.
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Blimp was talking about the continuity from one film to the others. The looks of the characters. You are talking about the continuity between the source materiel (book) and the film. Apples and oranges.
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