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X3... It's about singing heroin addicted gay mutants in a New York neighborhood with AIDS? Now with Valentines!
Harry here with another quick fun thing. Glengary Glen Brad did this up real quick. See, that's all it was really missing.
Harry here with a quick fun thing. AICN reader and talkbacker - ModLight - made these up in honor of the upcoming February 14th holiday... had to share...
Hey folks, Harry here... wasn't planning on having anymore awfulness for you from this movie, but sometimes... it is a river of shit. It seems that FOX has decided to sell X3 as a mutant version of RENT. Here, check it out:
Don't you love that BEAST one in the pink leather? It is so dashing. Ahem. I can't believe how bad this looks.
Ok, not exact... but certainly evocative of the RENT posters. Only not executed as well. I guess my problem with the X3 poster stuff we have above is that they're terrible poses, very unheroic... and I get that the theme of this film is a downer story, but the posters just look limp. There's nothing about them that make you think... BADASS! There's nothing mythic or awesome about them. And they're just bad photographs and compositions. Do you think Sony is gonna put out a shit SPIDER-MAN 3 poster? Not bloody likely.
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But, it'll probably be awful...and make just enough $$ to warrant a sequel directed by Tim Story.
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but the only thing that I think that looks bad is the marketing aspect of the one sheets and promos.
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That Beast pic...Jumped up H Christ on a crutch that looks so...gay? I think Halle Berry is gonna have to do a Monster's Ball style fuck scene with Billy Bob to save this. Actually, that wouldn't even save it. She'd have to show her shaven beaver. Ratner! WTFuck are you doing??
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they just need to add milk mustaches to all of them
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i'm not judging the movie until I see it, but yea, this looks like X3:RENT to me. What kind of ad for a super hero flick is this?
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Those are awesome, especially the Phoenix one. Why don't you quit your bitching.
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but all the pics make them look like they're about to fall over.
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Yes, these posters look like crap and are very queer. However, from the very beginning you've been biased towards the movie and never gave it a slightest bit of chance. Admit it, so far the movie doesen't look that bad.
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The Hate? the hate? Harry, you're a frustrated wannabe filmmaker-go do it, and let's critique it shall we?
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With the success of gay themed movies lately...there's only one way for the X-Men movies to go!
I am sure Magneto was just thrilled!
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i hope peter jackson and new line have plans to do an avengers movie. we need a good superhero team movie!!
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Wow, it's Dark Phoenix by way of Celine Dion.
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this is utterly depressing.
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Im sorry that you were cockblocked out of going to X3's teaser premiere, but must you make it you lifes work to make sure that people hate this movie? Coming from someone who loved Aeon Sux, I guess so.
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Harry - you are one truly disillusioned fanboy. But I don't blame you. Fucking Marvel.
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Cringeworthingly-bad. That is to say: they suck.
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Let's be honest, this is looking dodgy. Fingers crossed it'll work out okay, but I am dubious.
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i think we should all give this movie the benifit of the doubt , i mean this is the 3rd installment, and i think it will be quite good. they aint gonna waist an opportunity of entertaining us are they?! im personally liking the look of it.
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stop breaking my x heart with this. after seeing the preview that was out a few months ago, I thought it looked like it had a chance... blegh
Im still going into it without thinking... as much as Im a geek, Ive realized a long time ago that I cant go into a movie thinking its going to be bad.
I went into FF4 with a blank mind... it was fun for a little bit. However I know that if I went in angry at everything, I would have complained the whole movie.
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on the overall success of the movie. There is already a huge geek backlash with Ratner directing. Don't they(FOX) think they NEED that geek approval for the overall success of this movie? We know it's going to be a nice and big opening weekend..but this thing is going to have to be really, really good to silence the nerd community. Well, we will just to wait and see..
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Fucking ya Warspasm!
Harry has been out against X3 since the beginning. Well Im sorry that they are making a multi million dollar film, and you are stuck eating ho hos. -
this will suck dog balls. And I mean that in a bad way.
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Those posters sure look pretty but that's about it. What do they have to do with the picture? Is Wolverine going to look all sullen against a wall throughout the course of the film? It looks like he's about to spring into action singing "When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way!"
And why does Storm look like shes prostituting and looking for a John?
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get's people to the site though.
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What the hell is that? I had hopes for this after seeing the trailer, but now... SHIT DAMN FUCK HELL BOOBS PISS BASTARDS OF A BITCH.
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but thats not a fallen sentinel behind rogue is it!?!
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Seriously, we should all stop asking "Can it get any worse?" bc Fox is determined to answer that question with a resounding yes.
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knowthyself - Get a clue dude. These posters AREN'T good!
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Folks, is it just me or is Harry being a little rough on this film? Harry, what's the deal? I thought the trailer looked cool. Some of the stills that have been criticized looked like they haven't been finished in post-production. Ease up man!!!
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Everytime you speak (or shall I say post), you lose more and more credentials, of what I suppose you never had. You see, Harry Knowles is a well established film critic, who is doing exactly as he is supposed to do....And you, well your're a hardly noticed moron, who likes to post on message boards of people you supposedly think lousy of.
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with the exception of beasts' man-suede pink p.j.'s, look at each individual poster seperately. How is this any different than all the other teaser posters that show up in the theater 3 months before the movie comes out? They are almost always crap.
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and anything different is bad, right?
And Harry, mentioning AIDS and such in your hate rant-you're away with the fairies. -
Those posters DO look like leftovers from the RENT campaign (which bombed). Ugh.... Maybe Fox knows they already have the comic book fans, so now they're trying to attract... who? Gay fashion students? "I wish I could quit you, bub." Between this and hearing that Fox is under-funding and rushing out X3 to beat Superman... I have to wonder if the studio has ANY respect for what fans want. Ironically, I feel like Ratner's our only hope at this stage.
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We get it. You think the film will suck. Move on.
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Movie looks terrible. There has been no proof (a la trailer, one sheets, stills) that this film will be any good. It's Brett Ratner, c'mon now.....Gay Mutants with AIDS, hahaha....Perfect!
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Folks... Seriously. I knew the second Ratner came aboard that this was probably going to be a problem. -- Why? Because he's essentially a Hack. But honestly, I never really thought it would end up looking this consistently awful. The reason I'm looking so hard is I'm HOPING to see a good sign of quality somewhere. And I just haven't seen it. SERIOUSLY... other than a couple of moments in the trailer, has there been a bright spot yet? --- The reshoots they're doing, I'm really really hoping go well for them. And the posters have NOTHING to do with the films, other than to show that Fox's marketing department has lost their fucking minds.
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everybody will piss and moan about it....and then they'll pay Fox off and go see it anyway.
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This looks stooopid. Singer's having a good laugh now.
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Feb 10, 2006 2:56:22 PM CST
If the posters are stylized then it MUST be horrible?
by robert_g_durant
I'm sorry but I'm just not following why this judgment has been passed so soon. Why the huge smear campaign against a movie that no one from AICN has seen anything from? A follow-up to X2 with MORE mutants, MORE action and a payoff to all the buildup, that's directed by the guy who made Red Dragon is undoubtedly going to be bad? Let alone all the comments that it's not going to hold a candle to a Superman movie that's introducing an entire generation of children to a Superman that wears a rubber diving suit and a Lois that's a single mother... all the while keeping Otis, the wig-wearing sewer-dwelling Lex Luthor and turning the earth backwards in continuity. Sheesh... Call me crazy, but I'm looking forward to Magneto ripping a bridge off it's moorings more than Kevin Spacey playing with a trainset with the vampire girl from Blade 3 who sounded like she was reading off a teleprompter. All we have to go off of are pictures and trailers, and the worst shot from X3 (pink Beast) looks about on par with Vinyl-catsuit, leather-caped Superman with the hood ornament logo and belt buckle and unfortunate form-fitting undies.
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Harry - we can't blame Ratner. He was thrown into this project just weeks shy of go-time. I don't rate him that much, but how can he suceed when they've made it clear they don't give a s't about the film.
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Obiously what 'm saying is bothering you-the moron term? dear oh dear-letting yourself down a bit.
this is a talkbalk, people have opinions-that's the idea. So shut the f@#K up. moron indeed. -
Hit eneter accidentally. Whoops.
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Good, bad, or mediocre, the buzz on X3 is absolutely atrocious. Critics will pan it and fanboys will loathe it, but at the end of the day it'll still make Fox a boatload of greenbacks, so what the fuck do they care?
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Huge bus size posters that they wipe Harry's bus size ass with!
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These look professionally made posters. The posters are well-laid out in design and color. The poses are a bit artsy if I may say. But in fairness, this is a superhero movie; they shouldn't be posing like models. I would like to see the heroes in action of some sort, like they do in comic book covers.
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It'll probably be better than the first two. Singer screwed it up from the beginning with the casting and direction he took. Turned Mystique into a naked fish woman for christ sakes. Anna Paquin looks hot though.
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knowthyself just said FF was "pretty damn good." Ho. Lee. Shite.
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Right? Please?
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See now what happens when you let straight guys take over. No fashion sense whatsoever.
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Pheonix still looks fucking HOT in that poster!!!
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Or wait till the DVD, speaking of which... What up Harry, when we getting those long promised DVD reviews?
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On Rogue's poster, it looks like she's standing in front of the head and neck of a Sentinel lying on its back. Be kinda cool if the Sentinels finally get their big screen outing. Just wondering.
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So Ratner's not your choice. So the script doesn't 'meet' with your approval.
So what. FF made money. People want more. It's not 'Batman Begins', but hey - it could have been some sort of 'John Carter - Warlord of Crap' mess. Sorry, guess I should actually see THAT shit before I complain. I saw Hostel, and I know YOU'RE NOT responsible for that shlep. Despite the fact you actually have the time to cruise the web looking for that type of material, and take pride in 'starting' the conversation around it. Sweet Jesus...
The clips I'v seen are stylish. The posters cool. Pink DOES NOT MEAN he's gay. It just means the purile small minds that spend more time patting themselves on the back than actually making a movie... yup - that's a slag - can't seem to give even this movie a chance.
From the sets came a lot of good comments - I've heard them first hand. No doom and gloom.
But you seem to WANT THIS to fail.
You seem fair. But saying a movie sucks balls because of the poster? Get a grip you guys. You're not that smart, or claravo... you get the idea. -
Feb 10, 2006 3:08:36 PM CST
I'd like to raise a pertinent question at this point...
by mr nice gaius
Is it "Take a stand"? Or, "Make a stand"? Which is the correct ism?
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Sorry, wrong film. X3 will suck teh balls, and Beast is teh gay.
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I'm gonna take the opportunity to say if anyone wants a FAN WRITTEN first half (got stuck on pg 70) of an X-Men script (not an origin story as such, but an introduction to the world) give me a buzz!
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for another movie that weekend. *sigh* Think I'll go re-read my Dark Phoenix Saga trade paperback.
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Personally I like Ratner's movies (Rush Hour 1, 2 and Red Dragon) so I can't agree with Harry there. But in the case of this movie, as soon as I read the problems this movie was facing and then the script review I've made it a point to stay away from anything having to do with this movie, made it a point to not go see it when it comes out and made sure to tell my friends who loved the first two not to go see it (although I haven't told them anything I've read). So sue me, my mind is already made up, but I can still have an opinion.
I checked out the posters today out of curiosity and still there's nothing that makes me want to go see this movie. Aren't movie posters supposed to give away somewhat the look or feel of a movie? And if these are any indication, Fox has still lost a viewer. -
And if I was an artsy, fartsy, fat ass with a coushin job ( I'm not talking about Harry, just film critics in general )I'd see how X2 wassn't oscar material, had plot holes, so-so script and some real bad acting. But I liked it. I think the joke is gonna be on those who think Singer was the heart of the X-men films. Although I think was, I'm sure there's a possiblity when X3 hits the screens people will see that anybody can direct these movies and people will still like them.
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Cyclops, Professor X both die. Mystique loses her powers and possibly dies. Psylocke, Stacy X, and Callisto look EXACTLY the same. Storm takes over the team and Wolverine takes over the school and cries for most of the movie. I spoil this out of love. Perhaps if it's continually spoiled none of us will go see it.
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What you said has made the most sense thus far on this talkbalk. i always get upset when the 'hate' campaign starts on this site, for a movie that's still getting made? seems to be the norm now.
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the posters look pretty lame but the trailer was decent...
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If it tanks of course the studios will blame it on the fact that "comic book movies" no longer have selling power.
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They're offbeat. It almost looks like they were done for a different movie. I don't know if it'll bring 'X3' the kind of attention they want it to, but I do admire the break from the norm. ****** Fox made 'Walk the Line,' right? These posters and 'Walk the Line''s look incredibly similar. Anyhoo.
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I plan to continue making talkback posts agreeing with the news poster or disagreeing because choosing one or the other without actually taking the time to think about whether or not the news is cool or bad or ok or sucky isn't the way to do things!
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... why people are apologizing for this movie. Just because it's a 3rd installment means it's okay for it to suck? Huh?
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Seems that way...
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okay.
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X3 could turn out really bad, but there's no way it could be more boring than X1 or X2, the most overrated snoozefests in all of comic book moviedom. So memorable, I saw them both and can't remember what they were about. Now we can look forward to a badly cast, poorly designed, and boring Superman, and possibly the "Magic Singer touch" on Star Trek. Ratner at least knows how to stage action and keep thing moving. Dark Knight out.
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Geez, "...signs of quality..."? Would you KNOW any if they jumped up and slapped you? I liked the 1st flick, was less enthralled with X2, and I'm waiting to see what the 3rd movie looks like....IN THE DAMN THEATRE! You know, back in 1978, people like you bashed the HELL out of the campaign for Superman. Remember that? No, you were still uncoalesced genetic material at that time. So, I'll tell you one of the BIG taglines was "You WILL believe a man can fly!". What? A man? He's SUPERMAN! DOH! And on and on... The point being that once I paid my $3 and plopped my shiny ass in the theatre seat, I no longer cared about the posters or the ads or reviews. It was time to watch the movie. And I did. And I believed. Not that an actor or stunt person could fly, but that I had seen a great movie that I would treasure far down the road. Harry...see the film, then dissect it and rant and piss and moan all you want. Until then...shut up.
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I mean this is it. The final battle to end all battles and nightcrawlers a no show? Every mutant ever should be there. I feel cheated
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Oh my gentle jesus, I was almost excited by the trailer, and I held out some hope of the stills from earlier being just poor angles of rehearsals or something, but what the fuck is this? I thought six feet under had finished already. Someone hurry Singer up on Superman and get him back on this to try and polish the mutated turd that Ratner seems to be squeezing out.
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Ok, I loved the trailer, really did. But then trailers are fairly easy to get the blood pumping. It looked like the first X-Men films, if a little more "big" and less intimate. But some of the stuff, including the script spoilers, have really made me worried. I wish Singer was still doing this, I really don't care about Superman Returns (I'll see it, but I see all those blockbusters by default). I want the continuing story of the first 2 films, but to me it looks like they have done a lot of effects with costumes and what not to save money when they would be better suited to CGI. I'm hoping this is a surprise. I'll settle even for a Terminator 3 style film, where it's not nearly as good as anything in the previous two films, but it doesn't damage them either (and T3 was, for me, a hell of a lot of fun). Brett Ratner is, in this instance, a hack but that's just because he got brought in too late. Lets hope it's like Spartacus, where Kubrick got brought in... no wait, Ratner made MONEY TALKS!!!! Oh well, it did star Charlie Sexma Sheen. Is Bill Duke in X-Men 3? Goddamn, if that's true then it will at the very least be entertaining. You scare motherfucker? You should be, cause this Green Beret is gonna kick your big ass! I eat Green Berets for breakfast, and right now I'm VERY hungry. Fuck you asshole! Fuck YOU asshole. Man, Commando is brilliant, and features the best villain/screen homosexual of all time... BENNETT played by Vernon Welles. Man, that film rocks. What was a I talking about again?
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It's obvious that those are for broader audience, not for geeks. But why is Phoenix doing the Micheal Jakson pose?
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The 'money' always manages to fuck things up doesn't it?
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...and it probably will be crap. Oh, and like the blue makeup/suit on the beast didn't look embarrassing enough, so they had to put him in the pink outfit. lol
I can't believe some people still have some expectations from this movie.
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Dark Knight...
X1 and X2 are remember for scenes. Nightcrawlers entrance, Colossus, Sabretooth and Logan, etc...
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Why does it matter wether this movie is any good or not anyway? A week after it's released everyone will just forget about it and their attention will just go to the next comic book related movie coming down the pipe. Honestly, how often does anyone break out the last two movies and watch them? I liked them but I haven't seen them since they first came out on dvd. Why does it make any difference what so ever? How does this possibly effect anyones lives? It's just a movie.
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I'll catch it on satalite once it works it's way there. Should be good for an ironic laugh, at least. And if they surprise me with it being good, so much the better.
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weiners.
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when Singer wasn't invovled. But so far I've seen nothing but good come from this movie. The trailer looked good, Famke looks awesome, and I like the posters. They are different but so what? And I'm the most critical person I freaking know when it comes to this stuff. Yeah, Beast needs to either be naked or in some sort of X-brief thing, not in that outfit. But big f'ing deal. Wait until we see the movie, then slam it. Stewart said it's the best one so far.
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i think its pretty neat..... what would you rather have Harry?
In my opinion you are no better than all of of your hatefull talkbacking underlings here, and are way more of a hack than Ratner could ever be.
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So wait, Angels wings are green. Oh, no, thats the light.
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Angel's and Pheonix's posters... not so much the others. I'd like to see her looking at the camera with some crazy fire eyes or something, though. Their powers aren't coming through in these posters, but the production values look nice.
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I have no valentine as of two weekends ago, but I'm ok with that. THIS, however, THIS really makes me want to cry. Geez, those are AWEFUL!
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Seriously...Who thought Ratner would deliver anything remotely decent. I preditc this film will make Fantastic Four look like high art.
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I heard this from the Fox lot. They've been searching all the cars leaving the lot for the past week and it all supposedly started because someone walked off with a work-print.
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So this keeps looking worse and worse. This place must be full of online marketing shills like they've been discussing over at Penny Arcade for this many folks to think this looks good. They started with some nice casting with Kelsey Grammar, but since then it just gets worse and worse sounding, I'm definitely not seeing this one unless news gets significantly better.
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They look fine.
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And it hasnt even come out yet?
I seem to remember a few years ago when Harry bashed the hell out of Scooby Doo and it made a ton of bank. Same thing will happen here. I figure it is this. He and all the paidoff cronies on this site licked Peter Jackson's balls for the last few months for a movie that was utter crap on every level...and it fell FAR short of expectations as well. I see it if Harry hates X3, then its gonna rock! I personally think the pics look great! Whereas, Superman's pics so far look stupid. Superman is a great example of how you NEED to change a very lame looking costume to fit the times. Dare I say it: Harry, wait to see the flicks before you bash them! And stop jerking to the same directors and their bopring crap over and over! -
Feb 10, 2006 3:36:27 PM CST
Do you guys really think that Ratner designs the poster
by the funketeer
It's called marketing where a bunch of tools who think they know what the public want to see decide how to sell a film. Many a good film has been killed by poor marketing and vice/versa. Don't get your panties in a bunch and wait for the movie to actually come out to decide whether or not you like it.
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I think this movie is going to be just as bitchin' as "Escape From L.A."!!!!
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BigAssMan, you've got a fan in me. As a total fag, I'm diggin' it. Y'all know the first film was about accepting queer identity and the second was about coming out in a hostile world, right? Harry, this post was funnier that your last one. Good job.
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Fucking Singer's posters were limp and cliche. THEY WERE BORING! At least these posters are trying to tell part of the story. They're gritty, they're emotional through their use of color, and they're different. Raimi's spiderman 2 posters look almost exactly like the spiderman 1 poster. I'm not saying they're great, but I'm definitely not saying they're as bad as Harry's making them out to be. But what is so horrible if they remind someone of anothe poster? It happens all the time. You think the Batman Begins was original? Fucking Kong's "character poster" was boring (not the UK quad, that was badass). This will not be as bad as F4, simply because of Ratner. He may not be great, but he's more competent of story and action than the fucking hack Tim Story. Cut it some slack, is all I'm saying.
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If they made the movie described in the headline, I might actually go see it.
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I just read you short but correct post. Yes, when a super hero movie bombs they DO like to excuse their bad administrative and creative decisions by saying Super hero movies don't do well. They've lost their pull power. My thoughts are always "How do you know? You
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that's not gay, right?
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with all the bitching from Harry and Mori, come May 26th, whether they like it or not, this site will be covered is X3 promo material.
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LMAO
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I love how Wolverine's claws are out, but he looks like he's just chilling there, thinking about how depressing it is to be a superhero.
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I like that Harry is calling Ratner a hack. The three Ratner movies that Harry has reviewed on the site all got positive reviews.
1) Rush Hour... He REALLY liked it.
2) Rush Hour 2... He REALLY REALLY liked it and specifically praised Ratner's direction.
3) Red Dragon... He liked it. He said it paled next to Manhunter (it does) and thought the direction was a bit pedestrian, but he enjoyed the movie.
So... that leaves us really with Money Talks and After The Sunset... the only other projects of note that Ratner's done.
What are his thoughts on these movies? Did he hate them with enough vitriol to tip the scales? Personally I think they're both OK. Money Talks was his first major feature... and if not earth shattering, it's still entertaining. After The Sunset. Nothing outstanding either, but if that's Ratner's worst movie... he's not doing too shabby.
So out of the five movies in Ratner's current portfolio, we know based on reviews that Harry dug three of them and we have nothing to go on on the other two.
I'll excuse treating the project with kid gloves and being wary of it. That's fine. And I'll even say the notion that Ratner might not be the man for this job isn't that far fetched... but for BIG RED to call a director a straight up "hack" when we have proof that he's liked over half of the guy's movies... well, that points to AGENDA.
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The fact that the studios are actually mildly concerned with whether or not Aint it Cool News likes their superhero movies or not is one of the bigger travesties of the filmmaking business. You represent the worst possible type of fans there are.
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90% of the time, the marketing departments these days are staffed by clueless infants of design. Long gone are the days of Saul Bass posters, and it-ain't-rocket-science stills/half sheets. Who in the living hell thought these'd appeal to the teens/young males, who are obviously the targets? Mind boggling, to be sure. They'd look GREAT next to a My Little Pony poster, though.
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I'd like to go on record and say that those X-Men posters are probably the best posters for a film I've ever seen in my entire life. EVER. (To be honest, I actually do like them quite a bit.)
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Yes, because we CARE about how the films turn out. That makes us lame. Grow up you little idiot, and realise we want good films, not the s't these people throw out.
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...at Fox. I mean really...could the production, choice of director and marketing of this thing be any more fucked up! The wheels are totaling falling off the bus on this one.
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hugh jackman's xanga is missing its profile picture.
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Nightcrawler not being there will be explained in the next X-Men game "prequaling" the movie. Still, it's no excuse. Nightcrawler should be there.
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i dont see what the problem is... i agree that ratner's track record is pretty lame, but i like the fact that he isn't afraid of taking chances (with x3). he came on board to this with all of the geeks against him (justifiably, considering what singer did with the series) and it seems that he is going to do the series justice. i am aware of the onslaught of negativity that i am soliciting here, but i think that the trailer was pretty sweet. as for the posters -- with the exception of beast (which i think looks AWFUL) -- i think that they're really dramatic. i like the poses and the lighting, and i also like the fact that they are original. the xmen/x2 posters were bland and underwhelming. i applaud ratner for taking risks... something that the film community needs!
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I'm done with the seemingly non-stop negativity consistantly surfacing about X3. I'm officially tuning out the entire campaign until the first day of release. Must remain objective, but still scared.
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hey man... all you ratner defenders... more power to you.. cause if you can enjoy this movie then you have something i will not... but at least i get superman returns... the x-men may be cool and all.. but if ratner had been attached to superman i would have lost it
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Oy gevalt. This is what I's talkin' about. You people blame Ratner for EVERYTHING. Ratner's involvement with delivering these posters was probably goose egg.
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Come on, an second now, someone's gonna jump out and yell "GOTCHA!" Right?
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This movie is going to go down as one of the biggest wastes of a franchise in movie history. It's like Batman Forever or Superman IV...I suppose it's possible that there might be a reboot a la Batman Begins, but there's really no reason X3 couldn't have been great! The cast is pretty perfect...all they needed was a good story and some money. Ah, well. At least Superman Returns is looking good so far.
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I don't think Ratners gay. I just think he's visually bankrupt.
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He made 'A Beautiful Mind.' Therefore he is now a running joke between me and my bro, and a constant source of in-jokeyness in my scripts.
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Apples and oranges - usually. Sometimes the marketing division gives us credit as being more than simple carbon units, and perhaps they think this concept is somehow "hip," but I chalk this campaign up to utter stupidity.
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That is the amount of time they should of waited to make this movie.
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It's been a while since you panned anything Harry, so please give us a laugh and totally pan the shit out this assturkey.
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For chrissakes! I'm getting a bit tired of the completely baseless X3 bashing. I think the posters are pretty cool - just wish they were individual so I could get a better look. Let's face it, action poses that aren't in comicbook look incredibly cheesy. I think Rogue and Phoenix look great, but I would have put some fire around Jean. And I'd like to see something a bit more dynamic with Beast. We've yet to see him on all fours or hanging upside down or even crouched. I don't yet get a sense of his acrobatic prowess. But overall, they're going for something a bit more hip than the average superhero crap. And if it doesn't work, who fucking cares? It's not the movie. It's the promos.
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That's not pink leather you fucking tool. It's the light reflecting off black leather. look at the other pics. is Storm wearing green leather? No. It's the lighting. Moron.
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...since one sheets aren't in any way indicative of the quality of the film we'll see (and let's not pretend, everyone on this website will still see an X-Men movie anyway), we shouldn't be getting all curmudgeony over that just because Brett Ratner and X3 have become comfortable targets. Yeah, the promo shots and script reviews and everything don't inspire any confidence, but at this point the producers must know the fan community isn't generally happy, so we might as well just simmer down, forget about it until the summer, let the critics watch it, and decide if it's worth our $10.
However, the series producers were admittedly being very childish in rushing this together just to compete with Singer. I think it's probably inevitable that Singer would win out at the box office anyway even if X3 somehow ends up being really great, just because fans are chomping at the bit to (cinematically) return to the most iconic superhero mythology. So I don't know why the producers felt the need to rush out X3. Perhaps they also feel that post-LOTR, the box office won't be as strong with more than three years between installments/the mainstream attention in all the franchise venues won't be as steady, who knows... -
These really would've made more sense when this franchise was Singer's baby, wouldn't they? Damnit, I'm going to see this within 3-5 days of theatrical release no matter what. Even if the teaser posters look like stills from an R.E.M. video.
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I can see the Oscar nom for best song already...
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HAHAHAHAHAH! i think they are going the gay cowboy way with this film.
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I just hope that they don't break out in song and dance ala Grease or Cop Rock (anybody remember that show!). Remember, Hugh Jackman is a veteran of musicals.....just you wait and imagine next years headlines- X4: The Musical
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now thats funny!
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the ones with tyrannus, and the clones, mace windu etc..
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Listen...I am against nothing more than changing from a genius like Singer to Mr. Rush Hour, but lay off, honestly. True, Fox is rushing this to make money. Sure, the stills look less than quality. But your not even trying to tak a un-biased look at this film. Which raises the question, who's paying you to sink this ship Knowles....
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Ratner and X3. Its all there in Entourage people. There is nothing wrong with any of these stills they are moody promo shots. Beast may look a little fruity but fricking Frasier is playing him.
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Point blank. We all know it. Yes, he's somewhat bland, but he's supposed to be, he's the leader and the first of the X-Men, period. I only hope he gets his due in this movie, spectacle of not.
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Hostel and Aeon Flux getting great reviews? Weren't both Hostel and Aeon Flux heavy advertisers on this website? Weren't both movies considered mediocre at best by the rest of the world who doesn't get paid by the movie studios? Do I like rhetorical questions? Needless to say, all the HEAVY X3 hatred from Harry seems like somebody's got an agenda here. Maybe Singer is giving the "big guy" late night massages below the belt in exchange for the X3 slander campaign.
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for once, I'd love a super hero movie where the heroes aren't fashion victims. what kind of a hero gives one whit about fashion?
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I've been very disappointed lately in the posters that studios have been putting out for their movies. They either look like fashion magazine spreads, second-rate Drew Struzan (sp?) ripoffs, still frames simply pulled from the films, or poorly Photoshop'd art school projects. I couldn't believe how weak the KING KONG parint campaign was, when it should have been so much more evocative and/or iconic. Recently, only BATMAN BEGINS had posters that made me both excited for the film and for the design of the poster images themselves.
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it's a different way of marketing a superhero movie. who gives a shit? woops, apparently the majority of people above me. i mean, are any of the pics really going to prevent any of you posters from eventually watching the movie? not likely. hell, you know harry's gonna buy the deluxe collector's edition of X3 when it comes out on DVD, anyway.
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Obviously.
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I'm talking about looking into the camera with your fists in the air, trying to look all tough, and going 'grrrr' - it's cheesy, fake and juvenile. These pictures are trying to be more artistic, I guess. I'm not saying they're the best, but at least they're trying something different.
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When are we gonna get another journal from Bryan Singer?
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It looks alright. Are you being paid to spread bad publicity about it or something? So they've released single-character artprints. Big fucking hoo-hah. It's a multi-character production. Which Rent is too.
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I also don't see what's wrong with these posters. The Dark Phoenix one, especially, looks amazing.
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I agree. Screw action poses; it's been done to death.
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Well first of all, Ratner is not going to challenge the Fox execs. That's why they hired him in the first place. But second of all, I think that, even if he were so inclined, there's not a whole lot that he could do about it. I don't think directors have all that much control over the posters that are made to market their films. If that were the case, I'm sure you'd see a lot less floating heads and one-sheets.
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Seriously, what is that stuff? And how come if the poster says 'take a stand' he's slumped over like he just got ridden hard by Beast? Speaking of Beast, his poster is hysterical. The other posters are not great, but don't really disuade me from wanting to see the movie. The Beast poster is just so bad that it's indescribable. And since when does Beast have an oversized head? I guess since Kelsey Grammer was hired to portray him. It's been said many times before about many other movies, but I feel this movie may truly be the beginning of the end of quality big-budget superhero movies.
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They tried ignoring "Underworld: Evolution" and we all saw how useless that little stunt was. Maybe-just maybe, blathering on about Fox will have some kind of detrimental effect this time.
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Has no one actually read the comics? The angsty soap operas are half the fun of reading them. Way back in the day, when I first started reading comics, it was smack-dab in the middle of the Mutant Massacre storyline, and while the action sequences were great, it was the character interaction of a beat-up bunch of X-Men convalescing and licking their wounds that really got me hooked. It's Harry's site, and more power to him for trying to make geeks respectable, but I am surprised at the level of vitriol heaped at X3. So far, it looks to be a pretty entertaining flick. If a previous poster is correct and Harry actually liked the majority of Ratner's films, I'm at a loss as to the amount of scorn heaped on the guy.
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Feb 10, 2006 4:56:21 PM CST
I will watch brooding X-Men before I watch Spider-Hole
by www.valiens.com
ALRIGHT FANBOYS, LISTEN UP! It's time to put an end to this Spider-Man worship. The Spider-Man movies are OKAY but they aren't GREAT. They are fine romance movies wherein the hero aspect is incidental. Everything about Aunt Mae is crap. A lot of the writing is boring. Now maybe it's better than the 70's Spider-Man flicks and Electric Company's Spider-Man but just because you were starved through that era doesn't mean these new ones are universally accepted as genius. They aren't. And that's because THEY AREN'T. X-Men 1 was pretty fucking good...until the end where it got SUCK. X-Men 2 was amazing from top to bottom. Easily better than either Spider-Man flick and arguably in the top three super hero films of all time. So stop saying that Spider-Man 3 is going to be great and X-Men 3 is going to suck, like that's the gospel. It's not even historically accurate. Nothing about any of the "horrible/terrible" pictures, trailers, posters, or rumors that you've posted about X3 are as you describe except in your head. It's in your head because you don't like Ratner. Fucking give him a chance. The Rush Hour flicks didn't exactly call for powerhouse directing. The only film he's made that required a vision was Red Dragon -- and he delivered. So stop riding the man. Personally, Harry, I think you dog certain things on this site because your actual opinions on things like Phantom Menace were so off the mark that you're trying to remain a relevant holder of sway by trashing the films you think we're going to think suck. Thus far the only thing that sucks about X3 is your bullshit "opinion."
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Guess Harry didn't get offered a guest commentary track on the X-3 DVD, huh? I actually really like these posters. The lighting is a little strong in Beast's case, but there's an artistic quality that distinguishes them from the normal action poses. It's original, and it looks pretty good.
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Oh come on, this looks cool! Bloody this, bloody that...
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Those posters look pretty good. What's the problem? They're nicely lit and composed, have iconographic poses for the characters? I don't get the hate. Everybody has different artistic sensibilities, but I haven't seen one reason for dislike that even approaches objectivity. So, come on, convince me why its lousy, because I don't see it.
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Sometimes, the best points are made with humor.
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The following movies except for "Escape from L.A." suck Heath Ledger Dick. (1) All 3 Star Wars Prequals (2) Batman (should have never) Begins un' (3)X-men 1 & 2 (4)Spiderman 1 & 2 (5)Fantastic Fag "Flame On" (6)LOTR's Return of the Queen... 1 & 2 were good though. And that about sums up my list for now. There are tons more but until then.. Your momma's so dumb she went to the candy store to buy an Eminem cd.
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To think this site used to be a source of actual information...its turned into a gay bashing, judging a movie by fox's already shitty market department, sell-out sight. I am impressed harry, well done.
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see the movie first.... then judge it, homewrecker... or should I say DOCPAZUZU!!?!?!?
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Classy. I like how you're presenting the posters for everyone to judge on their own, rather than mocking them outright and telling everyone how much they should be hating a film that hasn't even come... oh, wait a minute. My mistake.
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This is all pretty fucking weak, Harry.
Tell you what...why don't you take those photoshopped pics and send them around on a chain email if you think they're so fucking funny. Just keep them out of the news section.
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That poster isn't marketing's fault. Ratner did what he always does. Look at something and say copy that. But what idiot wants to copy Rent. Moron.
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Wolvie's leaning on a wall or can or something though.
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...it's an interesting route to go with the posters...you gotta applaud them for trying something different. The Angel poster really does work imho...but the lame Storm and Wolvie ones seem to be ripped out a catalogue. Still undecided on whether it'll be shit or not - I'm hoping the latter but we can't know fo'sho until the day of release.
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But the sudden hate-campaign is a little out bemusing. None of this recently released stuff has been any worse than anything so far, and Beast is actually starting to look okay, (as long as they colour-correct him darker than the earliest shots/teaser trailer).
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Harry's dead to rights, the more I see of this the more it looks like utter shit. I mean, LOOK AT FUCKING BEAST you weak-assed portions of yer daddy's cumstain fuckers. He looks like he's wearing one of those cheesy-assed monkey suits from a 1940's Tarzan flick for bloody cunt's sake. FUCK. FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK. And BELIEVE I WANT (WANTWANTWANTWANTWANT) this flick to kick ass with all my bitter little heart but I ain't seein' DICK that gives me actual hope. So...well fuck....just fuck....
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...just pretend I typed that in English. It's late.
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It's time to start analysing this seriously instead of pointlessly flaming left right and center at all the COCKING CUNTS. I wish I could quit this franchise, and in fact I might just do that if screening reports come in and it really does suck the biggest donkey dick you ever saw. I don't want fond memories of certain Xmen storylines to receive horrific anal injuries. I also don't want to see Halle 'fuck scene with Billy Bob' Berry in a leading role in this movie. I thought Magneto was dying? Ian Mckellen is in this and The Da Vinci Code this summer. I like the book so I'll be seeing that one, even if Tom Hanks is perhaps a less than stellar casting choice for Robert Langdon. A lot of people rip the shit out of The Da Vinci Code for all the wrong reasons. People act as though it's claiming to be the new Bible or something when it's just a fucking paperback, and a pretty entertaining one at that. I think maybe some have an issue with it because it suggests the idea that the Church fabricated Christ's divinity. Oh fuck off, all of you. I bet you wish Whedon had written and directed X3.
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Reasons Not To See This Donkey
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and to be fair to Harry, they were up before I did them so it wasn't his comment on them. I'm available for weddings.
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Nicely reasoned defence,Psynapse. Thanks for that.
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The story, the advertising, and the director.
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If you're gonna hate on the movie/director/studio, just STOP GIVING IT SHINE IN YOUR SITE. Act like an adult...
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I can't believe those are the posters? What the hell is up with Storm? That is not Storm!! I swear, and the rest of them look just as ridiculous. How can they mess up the Phoenix story? This, along with the ick trailer and those stills from this morning - why is this being made? Ugh. I hope it makes whatever it's going to make its first week and then the next week? A historic 95% drop in ticket sales.
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they lack the artistic styling and creativity of Wolverine's claws in front of a giant X, or a giant X with the number 2 next to it. WHO THE F CARES? All the poster is supposed to do is remind people that the next movie is coming out, and be visually interesting enough to draw eyes to them. I'd say they do that. And, while I have my own concerns about X3, the decision to off Scott Summers was made well before Rattner got his hands on the wheel. The irony of Harry bashing X3 while singing the praises of the Fantabulous Freak Brothers (or whatever that movie is that no one will go to see) is astounding.
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Thank you for making them for us - and remarkably creating something cool out of such utter crap. Thank you very much! :)
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Now that's worth talking about.It'll be a lot better than this steaming turd.Although the script better be good. The book, while being a good read, didn't suggest a great film.
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I think so ;)
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Rogue is lookin' pretty hawt!
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Only according to your biased self, Harry.
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...and now this. "Everyone has AIDS! AIDS AIDS AIDS! AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!"
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I must say this is getting pretty stupid. It's like a random slew of just really unfunny jokes going around here. Now I'm actually rooting for X3 to be good.
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My god; if you think that poster looks "gay" you are seriously touchy about your "masculinity" (and I use that term in the loosest sense when it refers to this bunch of homophobes). I'm a certified musical theater freak and I didn't make the RENT connection, but hey, as long as you're looking for reasons why X3 is going to stink, why not add in the brain-dead "IT'S SO GHEY LOLZORS!" too? Hey, tell me this: Why is it that after X1 Hugh Jackman was the epitome of all that is male in your eyes, but after he did a Broadway show he suddenly became fey? He's been the same guy the whole time- only your experience of him changed. FINALLY, and really, the hypocrisy here is just blinding, any touchiness about a hint of "teh gay" from a bunch of comic book addicts is really beyond the pale. You frickin' read about brawny men in spandex and you're worried about having a hint of (oh no!) GAY in your lives? SHUT UP.
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Oh my god that is the funniest shit ever.
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Making Juggernaut look like a fruity tootie S&M monster, Morlocks look like goth kids, Beast into a hairy Village Person, and killing off major characters. Ratner can lick boots.
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Since I never tire of saying it: FUCK YOU. Oh and as for the 'gay' cracks? I AM A QUEER and I say this shit is is completely gay. Beast looks fucking awful and you ALL know it. Jeezus fucking PINK fer God's sake.....
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Looks like Brett needs to pay Harry $40,000.... or arrange a visit to his hotel room by the Pussy Patrol.
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...I liked the first two movies and am interested to see another one. I've seen 3 Ratner movies and liked them all. But who's directing it and how the posters look means fuck all to me anyway.
I'm interested in seeing the continuation of this story. If I see it and its shit, then I might join the rest of you whiney litlle bitches...but until then I'm looking forward to it. CRUSHING a film before its released is just retarded. Let the fuckin thing speak for itself when its released. Shitheads. -
are funny, cause they say they're mad that the people who dont like it are having all these knee jerk reactions to things they dont know about, and they're going on the internet to bash it. and yet, in the ultimate ironic twist, the people who are defending it know nothing about it, and are going on the internet to defend the movie and the publicity surrounding it, and bash those who atack it. find a different arguing point ladies, cause you're doing the exact same thing the bashers are. EXACT. oh, and by the way, if you like this shit we're seeing so far, you're really kidding yourselves.
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....is almost as dumb as defending a film before you see it. almost.
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Those are so poorly composed.
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its my fault that this movie was made...I allowed the imports of all the X3 equipment into Canada....I am sorry I did.
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Are we absolutely sure that Joel Schumacher isn't involved with this movie on some level?
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about the 'movie', it's 'plot' or anything else except HOW IT LOOKS. And it LOOKS LIKE SHIT from where I'm standing. Part of my problem with Beast in particular (outside of the FUCKING PINK) is how incredibly UN-natural he looks. Blue Paint on the face but a fucking shag carpet over the entire rest of his body? Gimme a fucking break it's like an azure Chaka from Land of the Lost fer fuck's sake.
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Wait for the movie. then criticize. Try that for a change of pace, because we've seen you go apeshit over stuff that looked just as stupid or moreso ("Jar Jar? Meesa loved him!!!", remember?) You're just ticked off they're not sending you toys, aren't you, hackboy? As for Modlight, funny stuff, dude.
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The end of the X-MEN franchise. I cannot remember the last time a movie studio DELIBERATELY sabotaged a successful franchise. This is pure insanity. And it's beyond just rushing the movie to theaters...it's more. Hell, the first one was rushed but still turned out OK (though flawed, as even Singer admits). This is just disgusting, especially after the renewed promise of X2.
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Look, we get that you people love the X-Men. Other people are allowed to say that this movie looks like crap, you know. Speaking of "worthless bullshit," your whole "wait-and-see" philosophy towards this film is a bunch of hypocritical garbage. If everybody were saying how awesome the movie looked and how Ratner was gonna knock one out of the park, you wouldn't have shit to say. But because they're saying things you don't like, it's wrong to have an opinion.
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The problem I have with the negativity is Harry's role in it. The valentines are just fucking juvenile, and so is creating a headline referring to the film being "utterly doomed" - based largely on one picture. The gay-bashing is a bit much. And comments by talkbackers like these don't help either: "if you like this shit we're seeing so far, you're really kidding yourselves." That's what I don't like.
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I don't particularly love the X-Men, enjoy them just fine but that's it. But Harry's campaign against the movie is nothing short of comical. You (a collective you of harry, ribbons and the rest of the whining hoi polloi) don't have any goddamned evidence to support any claims the movie's gonna suck. The pics don't look to suit your desire? Then become a fucking movie mogul and make your own goddamned X-Men wardrobe department. if the movie actually sucks, it sucks, but if the worse you can say is the costumes don't look like you want, guess what? Your opinion doesn't matter. Not a teensy bit. That's what everyone was saying about the first X-Men movie, and that was a damned entertaining movie, leather outfits and all. There are too many characters? Maybe, but til you see how they fit together IN THE MOVIE hold off on your bitching and moaning. Until you've got a leg to stand on, you just come across as a whining fanboy who won't be satisfied with anything that isn't the exact movie scooped out of your brainpan (which, face it, other people would cry "it sucks!" about too). When X3 comes out, if it sucks then, that's the time to start the namecalling. (but not "Queer" and "Gay", you pack of fucking 12-year olds. homophobia is so 20th century).
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Them pics raise the bar on 'suck'.
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What's pomposity and what's arguing your case coherently?
There's nothing wrong in objecting to Harry's hatred of this film based on a handful of publicity shots...in the same way as there's nothing wrong with objecting to the rabid rants of fanboys who think it's going to rule supreme based on the same credentials.
The fact that Harry did it in such a crass way makes it even more justified. It's not what you expect from the news section.
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Check out my only other post in this thread, you fucking moron. I said I liked the posters.
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Let me clarify my actual position on X3- I'm really, really worried about it. To put it kindly. This poster, IMO, is one of the BEST things to come out relating to it, and that's kind of sad. (Especially with how ridiculous Beast looks. Geez.) But to say that this movie is going to be bad because "it looks gay" is a load of horse...excrement. This movie looks bad based on leaked script points which have been corroborated by photos, and based on its development history and the director who's now in charge of it. The returning actors are still a fantastically talented bunch, but as far as I can see that's all this movie has going for it.
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May you never, ever talk about a movie you don't like, ever, because apparently you're not allowed to do that unless you've made a better one. I may be a "whiner" or a "hata", since those are now apparently four-letter words, but at least I'm not a drooling sycophant like you. I'm trying to be even-handed about this movie; so sorry if me saying the S&M rejects that pass for Magneto's acolytes are poorly-garbed bothers you, but it's a pretty innocuous observation for people who don't have some sort of insane attachment to the franchise, movie or otherwise.
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...way to lump everybody who doesn't like something about the production into a group of people who dislikes everything about the production. Way to assume that everyone who thinks that all the "bad guys" should not be clothed in black also disliked the X-Men's uniforms upon introduction. And way to pretend we've all made homophobic slurs, "fucking 12-year olds" that we are. But you're not biased, right?
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C'mon, no one said this yet?!?! You folks are slacking. He also said "Meesa luvs (Jar Jar)."
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I will not be seeing in movie, DVD or bit-torrant form, this sure-to-be crap fest.
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Who the fuck knows but that sure as hell isn't it. For example, rather than put Grammer in a fucking dyed-blue suit that isn't even a step up from the very first 'Wolfman' costume from the Universal movies they could have created a series of fur-covered strips to cover Grammer the same way they did with Romjin as Mystique. All you have to do is look at the Flash suit from the TV series to see that they could have easily done it in sections that followed normal musculature. I mean christ, I'm 'crazed fan-boy' according to some of you and I can figure that one out. Said strips could also be used to cover portions of his face as well so he doesn't look like just a blue version of the fucking Wolfman (which he does). So yeah, kisss my ass motherfuckers. My opinion is that this movie looks like shit and NONE of you have managed to to type SINGLE FUCKING WORD to alter that opinion. I repeat: Kiss my pale (but pert) ass.
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I mean really, who cares what Harry thinks, anyone can plainly see with their own eyes that this movie looks like a total crapfest. What a waste.
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...is a moron who needs to get his eyes checked. It's the lighting. End of story. Get over it. 'nuff said.
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Sorry Guys. The X-Men movies were OKAY. Nothing more. The Spiderman movies have been boring; they both feel like the same movie. These movies suffer from a fucking HUGE deficit in the scripting department, which to fix costs nothing in the development stage.
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you know, the trailer for this film looks pretty good. But so far, all I've seen from this site is backlash because Ratner is directing. I can stand Harry's opinion so far about the movie, but doing something like this (manipping the new photos because you dont like the look) is just rediculous. Nothing like abusing your website power over a movie you havent even seen yet, am I right?
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Then why isn't there at SOMETHING of a purple cast to the fur? Oh yeah the lighting must only affect EVERYTHING ELSE on the shot but the fur right?
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Nice work. And who says the irish are worthless drunken no-accounts?
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X3 looks to be a insult to a great name.
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GAWD DAMN YOU FOX!!! If this thing ever gets a reboot, make a series out of it, with a Wolverine trilogy on the side. It's the only way you can do justice to these characters.
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I thought maybe there was a chance this could be good after seeing the trailer but after these posters and other pics like the one of Colossus, my favorite mutant, I'm not so sure.
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I'll be the first to admit that I didn't rate Rush Hour and (shudder!) Rush Hour 2 (for the love of God, WHY?) but that was because of Chris Rock whom I consider to be an over-rated, talentless oxygen thief. I didn't really blame Brett Ratner, even Steven Spielberg or Clint Eastwood couldn't get a decent performance out of Chris Rock; you can't polish a turd, ya know? However, I digress, so, I finally watched the X3 trailer yesterday thinking that there must be something good about this film, I'm not ashamed to admit that I was wrong. I saw both X-Men & X-Men 2 at the cinema and purchased both films on DVD, I won't be spending any money on watching this film, I'll save my money for the Serenity DVD and V for Vendetta instead.
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Well, being a photographer. I think I know a little about the subject jackass. Did you happen to take into account reflectivity? Color absorbtion? Matte surfaces as opposed to gloss surfaces? If you look close enough there is trace amounts of pink "LIGHTING" on his fur. You can clearly determine that the key light is coming from the top left hand corner of the frame and it is clearly gelled (i.e. the pink highlights) not sure why they chose a pink gell but hey it's all subjective. Next time you want to pretend to be an expert come with some knowledge to back it up. Until then shut yer c*ck-holster.
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They look ok to me too.
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Okay, Harry. I've always thought you were a bloated, overly Singer obsessed little bitch, but this new X3 bashing is all I can take. You call the costumes in X3 dreadful, meanwhile they're just Singer's piece of shit costumes from the previous films, then rave about how fantastic the Superman Returns costume is. Speaking of which, you seen the latest Routh shot from Empire Magazine? Check out his hand. It looks like it's locked in a permanent handjob position. Guess we know now how he got the role, eh? If it's not Singer or Peter Jackson, there's no use in watching it.
Speaking of the Jackson worship, that sorta died down after Kong's terrible box-office didn't it? The minute Universal labels Kong as a disappointment, all Kong praising ceases.
I also fail to see what is so bad about these X3 ads, as well. The ad campaign is hardly indictive of how good or bad a film will be.
So, go fuck yourself, Harry. That's all I'm really trying to say.
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...I guess I missed the part where Harry's complaining about the costumes. Oh, wait, you're talking about the NEW costumes of Juggernaut and the various Morlocks that weren't, in fact, created under Singer's leadership. But don't let the facts get in the way of your Harry rant or anything.
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with seeing it before one judges is that Fox gets your money. It doesen't matter if you like it or hate it...Fox gets your money. So, let's just hypothosize that ten million people say, "Well, I liked the first two, and even if this looks like complete steaming dogshit, I still have to see it before I judge." And then they pay 11 bucks to see it. The next thing you know, the movie has grossed over 100 million dollars, regardless of the fact that all 10 million people may have hated the movie. Well, that gets Fox to thinkin' (and we know how dangerous that can be) that mabye this new, sitty way is a better direction for comic book movies to go. Sooner or later, a Joel Schumacher is going to make such a stinker, that no other studio will touch a comic book property again. Or at least for another ten years or so, then the cycle of quality films that slowly generate into shit starts anew. So I beg of you: If you MUST see this turd in the theaters, wait a few weeks. Don't see it on opening weekend.
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When Singer left to do Superman, Fox should have held off on this film until he returned. Instead, they pushed forward with a script that wasn't ready, insisting on a release date that was set before the second film even came out. Singer couldn't have made a decent movie out of this shitty script - we would have insisted on going back to the drawing board and removing shit like KILLING OFF HALF THE CHARACTERS! Theater owners will be suing Fox for pissing off the fans to the point that they riot and tear up the theaters.
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But so is Eli Roth. Let's be consistent, please.
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The other thing I just thought of is that not only does the movie look worse than the other two, but Marvel's attitude towards the fans has changed dramaticly. It used to be "We gotta get this right, because we don't want to piss off the fans." And with X-Men and Spider-man movies, it worked. The fans were happy and they made boatloads. Then their motto towards the movies became just like their motto towards their books: "FUCK YOU. READ IT." or "FUCK YOU. WATCH IT." They learned with Fantastic Four that they don't have to be accurate or even true to the spirit of the comics in any way if they give the finger to the fans and just keep repeating the mantra: "FUCK YOU. WATCH IT."
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i'm still going to see it in theatres...i'm a sucker for sequels to movies i like - i actually paid to see mortal kombat: annihilation
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From OBSD: "Sooner or later, a Joel Schumacher is going to make such a stinker, that no other studio will touch a comic book property again." This is not going to happen. It already would have. Daredevil and Elektra (two fine examples in the Miller-Era) are two fine examples of film shit-wrecks that had no effect whatsoever on later projects that are inspired by comics. MOVIES BASED ON COMIC BOOKS ARE HERE TO STAY BABY! What worries me is that these films not only fail to make a negative impression on the public, they also show people who don't read comic books that this is the finest the medium has to offer. Imagine: Ben Affleck as Matt Murdock/Daredevil?!? THAT THOUGHT GIVES ME NIGHTMARES.
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Though ironically enough, both were made by Fox. But those two didn't do gangbusters at the box office, although 'Daredevil' probably at least made its money. The 'X-Men' flicks, on the other hand, have been considerably more successful, due in part to the huge fanbase they have (for a time in the late '90s, "X-Men" was the most popular comic book in the world, I believe). I mean, hell, look at all the people on this thread gnashing their teeth over what Harry's had to say (and all the other no-goodniks who dare to think this movie looks bad before buying a ticket first. Shame on them!). Do you think comments about 'Elektra' would have provoked this kind of reaction? I don't.
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it doesn't mean they'll keep a franchise going downhill, though - the batman franchise took a break after clooney and ah-nold stunk up the screen and it came back stronger than ever - sadly, i don't see xmen taking a break and coming back if this one tanks..and it will make money, but if it's not as much as expected, i doubt that the cast will keep returning to make sequels and having their names associated with the bombs...good for any characters that get killed off in this one...the actors get out before things get really out of hand
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Actually, Daredevil (well intentioned, but shitty as it was) did well enough at the box office that Elektra was greenlit. And while Elektra stank, it wasn't the mega-bomb that Batman & Robin was. B&R had hundreds of millions in merchandising sunk into it, so while it tanked at the box office, it also tanked in the toy/poster/T-shirt department as well. That's what I meant by "such a stinker". EVERYTHING was riding on the success of this movie, it was supposed to be that big and nobody saw it. It's a lesson in making awful films, but it's also a lesson in being conservitive in how much merchandise you tie in to your movie as well.
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I have no idea what I just said.
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star wars merchandises evreything and does well and would continue to do well if more movies were made, no matter how many child actors and extended race scenes are stuck into them...the batman and robin logo was cool, i had a keychain with it even though the movie stank...i enjoyed the soundtrack more than the movie, too. some of the merchandising worked
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You think I don't care? Why am I even on here, then? I grew up watching X-Men on Fox and I honestly, in no uncertain terms, think X2 is one of the best movies of the past decade. And actually, come to think about it, I go to school for screenwriting. So yeah - I'm a fan. What I'm not is a hate-mongerer. What I was commenting on in my post is that you've pretty much all jumped on what Lord Harry has decreed: that X3 will be shit. Shit...why? Because Juggernaut doesn't look like he did in the comic books? That's what I mean by "bad fan": the mentality that things will suck just because they're different than how you've pictured it. Now I was just as unhappy with Ratner as the rest of you and I'm just as pissed at Singer for jumping ship as you all were. But a couple of photo stills and a series of posters that bear a passing resemblance to Rent when they're stuck together do not a bad film make. Ratner was clearly brought on this film as a hired gun, and with almost the entire cast the same, I'm still going to give it the benegit of the doubt until I see it. The movie already has the charisma and talent of its pre-established cast, so it will live and die not on its director but on its script, so I'm praying that Penn and Kinberg have pulled it off. (By the way, if those numbers are a reference to Lost, cool.)
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Sure it looks like Rent now that you mention it but what more do you want from a slightly revamped ad campaign. I mean it gets kind of boring seeing the same posters since X1 with ultra closeups of each character at a slight angle. God, that's SO 2000!
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What-the-fuck-ever. It still looks like shit.
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Not that it won't be hopelessly mediocre, slapdash and cheap. But seriously, it's not as bad as Iceman & Rogue in "Welcome to the W.C., bitch" stills from X-Men 2. Or the truly shitty "the Good" vs. "the Bad" with yellow toadskin and leatherbar fashions of the first one's posters. It's not a crime against cinema like the Rat's hack mistreatment of the greatest cast ever assembled for made-for-TV-Movie version of Red Dragon. It's just the fucking X-Men. Wait ten years for the re-load.
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...and Ratner just makes it flat out gay.
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...is what Fox is saying. The constant whining about how bad this film is, at the end of the day, is publicity. And we know in Hollywood bad publicity is still publicity. I know a lot of 'normal' people that have seen the trailer,i.e. non-geeks, that are really looking forward to it. And a lot of people have responded favourably to the more colourful look of the film as opposed to the original blue hued pair of films. Ratner knows how to make general audience entertainment. He's not a great director sure, but he is capable. Has anybody here directed before? Well then you know how hard it actually is...as for the posters? Well Storms looks a bit too "fashion" but the rest I think are pretty cool. It's different and the posters tell more about the "story" of the film and the effects on the characters. It's introspective/reflective and makes the heroes more human...cause that's why they're heroes right? right? An surely these are going to be seperate posters and not stitched together ala Rent style...sounds like someones making mountains out of mole hills...
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These posters are great. More artistic that the normal bull shit you see for movies. The majority of you are clueless.
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A boys band of some kind? Whatever it is, it looks dreadful. And MTV-ish.
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dude, we KNOW what it's supposed to look like. stop saying it doesnt look like "WHAT WE PICTURED." if that was the case, there would be a much more varied response. WE KNOW WHAT THE CHARACTERS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. most of us (myself included) have been reading the comics for over 20 years. i can only stretch my suspension of disbelief so far. it seams reasonable for the characters in the first two films to have combat suits, but the morlocks? they are the outcasts of society. they are supposed to look like shit and live in the sewers. there is no connection that i can see between what they've shown and what is cannon in the books that these movies are based on, and there is no good reason to change the look. a toal savage and dirty look could be an awesome design for these characters (and before i get attacked too hard, i am myself a character designer) and for the record, i loved the pre-release campaign of both movies, and i still love both movies. cant knock me there. i got so fucking excited when i saw what nightcrawler looked like for x2 i shit my pants. he didn't need black leather. and i dont understand how people can think a rubber suit is a cool way to go for juggernaught. i'd actually like to hear the veiwpoint of some one who thinks a rubber muscle suit is a good idea. i'm not talking about "post production" either. i bet you juggs wont change a lick from what we've seen and what we will see. so for arguments sake, anyone who likes the look explain why. i wont even come back at you, i'm genuinely curious.
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...my solution for juggs? if you cant find the right look, dont put him in the movie.
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hahahahaha weeze cough
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i thought it said take a stand, not take a piss in an alley.!!!
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I don't understand where the hell Harry is coming from on this. We have awesome established characters (Wolvie, Prof X/Magneto, Jean Grey/Cyke, Magneto), a dark backbone of a story, exciting new characters (Angel, Beast, Sentinels, possibly Juggernaut, though I'm thinking Toad there) and that trailer contained some seamless-looking effects - at least six months before release date. Remember what X-Men looked like six months before release date? Fans were expecting a mutant mess, and it turned out to be one of the best superhero films ever, with a cracking script. I really can't see X3 being a bad movie. Harry, why are you racking on a franchise we all love when there seems little evidence. Just because of those posters? Christ, the last two Star Wars films had rubbish posters, both teaser and final. You didn't attack those films because of weak advertising.
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...as well as the movie, which kinda surprised me as I'd never seen the play, but I digress...so to the main point: WHERE THE HELL IS ALL THE HATE COMING FROM? Gee whiz, the posters aren't monochromatic blue and white with a little steel glint thrown in for good measure; what a fucking tragedy! So they don't look like the first two movies' one sheets did--so the hell what? They look cool to me; different, for sure, but by the third film things SHOULD be looking a little different, yes? And as much as I enjoyed both X-films so far (with a preference for the second, I admit), I'm not prepared to write off X3 as a waste just because Singer isn't directing it. Ratner did a more than capable job with Red Dragon; this isn't Pee Uwe Boll we're talking about, after all. Let's all go see it, and THEN we can flame on (aw crap, sorry, wrong movie)!
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Call me misguided, but I expected better. This is an even more immature display of spoiled behavior than the time Harry threated to ban ANYONE to said they liked the anniversary special edition added footage release of the original Night of the Living Dead. You're letting us down Harry, yourself too.
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Whether it's shit or not is yet to be seen. I'm merely pointing out that ain't pink leather. You and Harry should know better.
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What has happened to this production? Who is authorizing the expenditure of money on this? Who designed the look and feel of all this super-gay flotsam we've been seeing? My god, I cannot believe that anyone has allowed this to get this far without someone, somewhere on down the line bringing it to the money men at FOX that "Guys, this thing sucks so bad it'll actually boost the sales of whatever other crapfest is out at the time. This thing should be distributed to third world countries on PAL betamax and labled as a remake of "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo" or a Marvel remake of "Withnail and I". This already sucks so bad I want to implode. That Juggernaut suit?!? Rediculous. Who the hell are those emo kids in that one shot supposed to be? Radiohead? I pray that someone leaks this piece of shit onto torrents about a week before it actually hits the theatres. No one working on this project actually cares about "The X-Men"...why should we? Bret Ratner...how does it feel to wake up in the morning and realize you are just another hack?
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This is not the poster. It's a composit of some of the character based one-sheets. You will NEVER see this image on a bill board. What kind of poster has "Take a stand, May 26th" on it 6 times? HOW FUCKIN DUMB DO YOU HAVE TO BE NOT TO REALISE THIS? You will see the character posters seperately on bus shelters and shit. So the whole RENT analogy if retarded for a start. As for the individual character posters, they look like they're in the same style as loads of other movies that have gone before, that feature a single character. And if the movie is kind of a downer in terms of its mood\plot etc, then the posters are appropriate. Frankly I expect to see more of these character posters, featuring villians, and Xavier and shit. But its clear that the RENT comparison was just a juvenile swipe at the movie by people who have decided that they hate it before they've seen it. Like I said...RETARDED.
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They're just posters. Marketing people in all their infinite wisdom do not dictate whether or not a movie is going to be good or bad. I thought the original character posters for the first X-men movie were pretty awful with their silver sheen ultra-close up of each characters faces. Didn't care much for the Spiderman ones either but the movies turned out to be a different bag altogether. At least they tried something different with this take. I think if you were a non-geek and saw one of these things on a street corner at least it'd pique your interest. They went with something different. Good for them. Just thank God its not another Attack of the Floating Heads poster.
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funny, but i like *all* the posters - the originals AND the pisstake ones. but putting the pisstake ones first is more evidence that harry has conclusively lost it when it comes to X3. it may suck but the posters look good. the only 'river of shit' here is the one flowing from harry's mouth.
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I think they look worse because they are all bunched together. And they are teaser posters. I think for the casual cinema goer these posters would be quite exciting. And that's who these posters are aimed at. Not fan geeks.
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Chris Rock is a very funny comedian. Chris Rock was not in the Rush Hour movies. That was Chris Tucker. I know you get your black people confused.. as wells as the rest of you fuckin idiots, seeing that i'm the first one to correct your idiotic mistake. Not only are you a bunch of whiney bastards.. but you can add the words obnoxious, ignorant... and RACIST. Unbelievable shit on this webstie... later, bitches.
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"...But You've Touched My Heart." HA!
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Or I'll stab you." Classic...
Crappy looking posters. whats with everyone having their eyes closed? and the background just look very fake.
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Harry is ruining whatever credibility he had with this totally juevenile hate campaign against Ratner and X3. its really pretty fucking sad to watch a guy self destruct this way. combine the fact that he is on some sort of screwed up yogurt diet along with his movie projects either stalled out or tanking, and what you get is a desparate, angry, bitter middle-aged movie geek on the rag. no sense of consistency in how he critiques movies and a blatantly obvious bias when it comes to who is involved in making movies. where is the ridicule of the totally lame Superman Return pics? oh, thats right, his buddy Singer is directing so its hands off. terribly bad cgi/blue screen effects during the bronto chase in Kong? can't talk about it because he's so tight with PJ. hey Harry, how about an update on John Carter of Mars?????????? right. enjoy your yogurt and tea, HACK.
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Freakemovie - I apologise for singling you out, but I feel justified that this film is going to be a total trainwreck. The original X-Men suffered from similar problems, but they used to it to their advantage, making a taut script into a visually solid feature. I don't loathe Ratner (Prison Break rocks) but he doesn't have a true visual style - as evidenced by these pictures... before X-Men Singer had made The Usual Suspects, and shown me he was a great director - able to make a film on a shit-string budget look like a million bucks. Oh, and I'm also on a scriptwriting course (and get pretty damn good marks for work), and I can tell you the story they've done, and the info I know about the script makes me think they're throwing pacing out the window to tell a trilogy of films in one film. If you want to see how a script should be paced, read Serenity. Its absolutely brilliant in how every line has a purpose, and everything is set up and paid off.
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...that Topher Grace's real name is Christopher, but he goes by "Topher" instead of "Chris". I find that really annoying for some reason.
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I keep hearing rumors that Cyclops dies in X-3. IF that's the case, could that be the reason for the morbid expressions on the faces of the remaining X-Men ? Doesn't this make sense ? (Atually, it makes more sense than Harry's unreasonable hatred right now.)
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SIGN JOSH HALLOWAY FOR GAMBIT IN X4 PRONTO!
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Buttpack Mountain, a homo Superman, and now gay X-Men. And we all knew that Captain Panaka had the eye patch because Annakin spewed in his eye!!!
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Harry is leading the charge of dumb shit geeks against X3. Why? I have no fucking clue. Does X3 look gay? Yes. You know why? Because it looks EXACTLY like X1 and X2. Ratner didn't make it gay, Singer did. It wasn't Ratner that made the X-men an allegory the plight of Homosexuals, Singer did. Ratner didn't design the costumes. You know who did? The costume designers of X1 and X2. The only thing Ratner did, as far as I can see, is make this movie consistent with the previous two films. Now quit your bitching and enjoy your gay propoganda films.
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Hey, dude, its the fact that the costumes look crap in the context they're shown in thats annoying people.
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Is the date on the posters the straight to video date? ;-))
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Support of movie fans, that is. Most of these aren't the opinions of rabid fanboys (myself included)... this whole X3 hatred looks suspisciously like sour grapes. For all of your criticism of hackery the signs point towards you teetering suspisciously close to the dark side.
And to think I've spent so much time in conversations defending your journalistic integrity. Shit. Even when you loved Matrix Revolutions. Aeon Flux was a bit suss (13% on Rotten Tomatoes anybody?!) and now this "let me make up your mind how to react to these one-sheets by presenting the parody before the genuine article." -
The fur on Beast looks like it's blue plastic, like on that cheap chinese-made feather-duster I've got. Any close-ups of the mutants, like, say, Phoenix, and you see she's got a cheapo hair-dye job, to make her a "redhead". And so far the posters don't give me a sense of FUN. You gotta give it to the Fantastic Four marketing. They knew what their audience wanted ... some superhero FUN. Harry's right about that ... these posters doesn't give a sense of fun, but a sense of Film Noir grimness, with mutants doing battle in back-alley dumpsters, in the rain, or something. But some of the stills from Dark-Horizons gave me a good vibe, the expressions on the actors faces looked alive, as if they actually DO have some fun during the movie. Juggernaught really does suck, though.
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Seriously, how did those two shitty movies become the Rosetta Stone for Comic / fantasy project development? It's the money. They both made shitloads of money. So did Titanic, and how popular is THAT particular film on AICN? It's practically universally hated by your average fanboy / talkbacker. So why so much love for the Spider-Man movies? I mean, they sucked! How anybody could rate them over X1 & X2 or even Batman Begins is beyond me. Harry is acting like a horse's ass with X3 - it's unbelievable. "Do you really think Sony's gonna put out a lame graphic on the Spidey 3 poster? I think not!" Screw that. The posters for the last 2 Spidey movies were boring and unimaginative, why wouldn't the next one be? Jesus Christ - so much hypocrisy around here.
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"Does X3 look gay? Yes. You know why? Because it looks EXACTLY like X1 and X2. Ratner didn't make it gay, Singer did. It wasn't Ratner that made the X-men an allegory the plight of Homosexuals, Singer did." Do you even read comics? They're filled with butch women and brawny men fighting evil while wearing outrageous spandex outfits. The "gay" you're all so scared of has been in your precious source material the whole damn time. Get. Over. It. Homosexuality isn't the frickin' cooties; you don't catch it through proximity. Learn to laugh at the homoerotic undertones of your fanboy crushes on Wolverine and you'll be considerably better-adjusted.
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Hear, Hear!!
Spidey films did, indeed, suck.
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In my opinion it's better to use your eyes, THEN your brain and judge that you can't proclaim a movie shit cos of prerelease shots and publicity one-sheets. Nor can you definitively support it.
The point is to wait and see the finished product and then make up your own mind, not assume the opinion of mass critical opinion.
In Harry's case it's at least his duty to avoid swaying mass opinion by not presenting parody pics in a news section. He can say that he thinks they're shit, but putting the parody before the product seems cheap and biased.
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There's no guarantees, people. Nor is there a certainty of suckitude. However, if those posters match the general tone of the movie, and are tailored to match the tone of the movie, we do have an underlit, cheapo, dodgy CGI crapfest on the way.
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Yeah, some design aspects of it don't look great but look at the source material. The characters are goofy. The whole concept is goofy know why? Because it's a fucking comic book! And not the Sin City kind of comic book either. The characters are silly, they have silly costumes and silly powers and the whole thing is already gayed up by Gandalf so what's the problem? As for Ratner, the Rush Hour films were passable for dumb action movies. What comic book cred did Bryan Singer have before X1? Anyway, I know this site isn't supposed to be about objective journalism but the bias based on who Harry's trying to suck up to and who snubbed him is way too obvious.
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I can't see myself as staying at the Motel Styx anytime soon, but I agree with your points. Huzzah.
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That having been said, however, the words "Now let's dry hump" under Rogue's photo is fucking hilarious.
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warrior-poet2 said: "just when you thought it couldn't get worse with french tickler/power ranger Colossus they go and do something like this and prove everyone right. Beast in a fucking PINK outfit???? I mean WTF? Whose shitting this out and approving of it fucking Corky? Fox is going in the toilet and I hope they carry Arad's job with them. Fuck Fox." Cheers on the Corky reference, dude!! And I totally agree: the Thatch-man cometh.
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I see what you're saying, but, honestly is this a conversation that you and about two hundred other people would even be having with Harry if the movie weren't 'X-Men 3?' If Harry said, "Boy I like Steve Martin, but that new Pink Panther movie sure looks like shit, they should never have put Shawn Levy in charge of updating such a classic franchise," would you say "Well, yes, Pink Panther might look bad, but you can't really tell whether or not it is bad until you see it. I think you should wait and reserve judgment until you buy a ticket." Of course you wouldn't. Or at least most people wouldn't. But people get so upset because Harry dares not to like stills from a movie adaptation of a set of comic book characters that they have an insane amount of personal investment in. It's ridiculous, and as much as I don't care for how Harry's handling the situation right now, the throngs of people who are ready to bury him alive just for having an opinion is much more annoying.
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Good point well made, but I honestly think that if Harry took this approach with ANY movie I would criticise it. If he had a mocking photoshopped Pink Panther one-sheet placed above original as a news item it would still seem unnecessarily cheap.
Although, granted the fact that it's the Ratner-helmed X3 makes it somewhat more suspect when he's usually so forgiving of superhero movies even when (like Daredevil) they're utter cock...and are badly marketed. Even the early Catwoman shots didn't have this level of unforgiving pessimistic scorn heaped on them.
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...fair enough. The mocking Valentine's Day cards were kind of a low blow. But there's a difference between calling into question behavior such as that and telling someone not to judge a movie before you see it. You see what I'm saying here? As for the Ratner thing being "suspect"... what are you implying? There's no conspiracy theory here. Harry just doesn't like Brett Ratner as a director, and a lot of the "scorn," I think, comes from him being pissed at all the stuff that went on behind-the-scenes at Fox as well. A lot of X-Men fans are more pissed at Bryan Singer than Tom Rothman because Singer jumped ship, switched "teams," etc., but if they had just cut a deal with him for another movie right after the second one came out, like they should have, then he wouldn't have left in the first place.
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Just for the record (like it matters), I was on set the day this pic was snapped, and he's actually wearing a black and blue leather outfit, not this ghastly pink number it looks like he's wearing (it's just the lighting or touchups).
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I do see that, although the two arguments are in this case intextricably linked. In my opinion you shouldn't judge a movie from a few publicity shots and posters...nor should you definitively judge it based on your knowledge of a directors past record or of contractual studio wranglings which fly in the face of your personal preferences...and if you're going to then you should at least be forthright about your reasons rather than just stating that "we all know it's utterly doomed".
The only conspiracy theory here is that Harry's getting personal grievances mixed up with the relaying of movie news. Such extremes of opinion are justified when they're part of a REVIEW as the proof is very much in the viewing...or as the the extreme blind biased rantings of a fanboy...but forming a definitive opinion of the film before you've seen a single frame (excluding the trailer) just ain't good film journalism. -
It is quite obvious that harry loathes this film and its director. Harry has never made a film before in his life and he has the arrogance to criticise others?. The more and more and more I read on these tbs, the worse it is getting. camp is part and was alawys be part of comic books . Have you seen this film already? how can you tell how bad this film is going to be if you havent seen it. Whats your problem with the Valentine tie-in? if you dont have the balls to to write and direct a movie, stop giving out about those. It seems to me that you are campigning in some way, in other words you seem to be saying, I dont like Brett Ratner and I dont want you to see this movie. If people go or otherwise, will not be your dcision, it will be thiers and thiers alone. my guess is lots of people will see this film, why two reasons, patrick stewart and Ian McKellen, kelsey grammer, Halle Berry and i could go on. I liked the X-men movies and I will go and see this when it comes out in may. People still like to be entertained by comic book movies because they are escapist fare. I also dislike the bullying tone of the article. You cannot judge a film by a few pictures or two trailers. These movies are summer blockbusters and nothing more than that. they are not to be taken seriously. Stan Lee in an interview gave tobey magure the thumbs. Stan lee created these characters and hes happy then so be it.
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Okay. I've written and directed student films (which are films) and I can honestly say this loks, and sounds absolutely horrible. Good enough for you?
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...you know she'll fucking OWN it. And as had been said before, we're all going to see it anyway.
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Jesus, you must be a real pipsqueak.
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If it's your personal opinion that a director and his body of work sucks and that Fox has mismanaged this project from the beginning, then being pessimistic about iffy-looking pictures seems like a pretty natural reaction. Understand that when I brought up Bryan Singer, it was a pre-emptive thing, in case you said that it was Singer who screwed the project over. I didn't mean to say that the disrespect Fox showed Singer is Harry's motivation for disliking this movie; in fact I highly doubt that's the case. As for saying the movie was "utterly doomed" and nothing more? That's such a reach. Not only does Harry elaborate on his opinion in the two articles that have popped up online in the last two days, but the problems he has with the production have been enumerated countless times over on this website. Does he have to do a re-cap every time he posts a piece of news just so that he can't be accused of "bad journalism" (because apparently we're missing the point of editorials here). Harry's pessimistic about the movie, and that's his prerogative, and any claims that he doesn't have the right to say what he said because 1)he hasn't made a movie himself or 2)he hasn't seen the whole movie yet are just ridiculous excuses.
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Just for the record (like it matters), I also was on set the day those pic were snapped, I was the one getting it on with Famke, Rebecca, Anna, and Halle in the trailer.
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After completely ruining the Alien franchise. Fox were looking for another Franchise and So they teamed up with Marvel to Make X-men. Singer who was hot after Apt pupil and the usual suspects, wrote and dircted the the first two. As we know now there was war going on behind the scenes. Singer wanted to do a comic book movie and Fox wanted to make an action picture. or two. They cast Hugh Jackman as Wolverine for the purposes that one day he will get his own spin-off movie as will magneto. For Jackman this has been a huge boost for him professional because it means he was able to set up his own production company and go off to broadway and the west end. jackman will be prodcing the wolverine spin off film. They were reluctant to let Singer go but one person who was possibly more instrumental in his decision to leave was Halle berry. Berry and Singer hated eache other. Then came Matthew Vaughn, who discovered the problems Singer had with the fox execs and left to be with his wife and children citing creative differences(NB: Halle Berry. just joking). So they hired Ratnerr. Why? if this movie fails. They can dump all the criticism on his head. The rush hour movies might have been racist. but chans fight scenes were great and the film had a certain flair and visual style. Maybe just maybe fox thought that this was what was missing from the x-men series. Style. There is nothing wrong with that is there. oh, sorry, forgot, you all think thats gay or something, silly me....
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The only problem with what you're saying is that 99% of the people in Hollywood will have deduced that Ratner is a hired gun, and its not his vision on screen. Therefore he'll still get steady work, and Fox will suffer as a result of their s't decisions.
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I was actually referring to harry. sorry mate.
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oh my god..... why must god punish us so? jesus . . .
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"525,600 mutants" I'll be here all week.
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That Ron Howard dumped the shoddy prose and kept the plots and Character. This will be the biggest film of the Summer 2006 and maybe the year who knows? Anything that keeps cruise at bay gets my vote. Davinci Code has a great cast. Hanks, Bettany, tauto, Molina and McKellen.
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See, I respect Harry. I respect him in the same way that I respect 80s films such as 'An Officer and A Gentlemen'. Namely that he provides fun that other critics don't.
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All this skepticism...... Dispite it though.. I can't wait to see this movie.....I bet this will be the best Xfilm to date...
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Mutants of....love....
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I guess Harry and the rest of you missed the obviously gay subtext in Brian Singers X-Men films that Rattner seems to be faithfully adapting to his own movie albeit rather blatently. (A march on the most prominent landmark of the most gay-friendly city in the USA, anyone?) However, that is simply one step forward from Iceman's "Coming Out" scene in X2. So if the marketing campaign is a "little gay" or more intelligently put "humanizing of those who are percieved as being different or non-human" FOX's Marketing Department is simply attempting to convey the most prevalent theme of the X-Men Universe. No other comic book series before the original X-Men was so close to the series roots and like it or not, the appeal of X-Men is its celebration of diversity and the struggle for human equality. The brilliance about comic books and movies in general is that there exists a medium for everyone. X-Men appeals to the mutant in all of us. Some of us gravitate to that appeal more strongly than others and it is those people that are the most loyal to this comic book and have made it such a success. And that doesn't only go for gay people, who can easilly identify with being ostracized by society, but also with blacks and other minorities. It wasn't long ago in human history that blacks were seen as 3/4's of a human being. The appeal of X-Men to the black community has resulted in the careful handling of Halle Barry and the Storm character, the only African-American character in the entire movie series. My observance has been that Talkbackers have not only been Homophobic when it comes to X-Men but Racist as well. Perhaps y'all (and I say with Rogue's southern twang) should join the likes of Senator Kelly and William Stryker and all of their sentinals at the Mutant Control Agency or one of it's real life counterparts (the Republican Party, the Nazi Party, Al-Quida, Saddam Hussein's Regime, Communist China, the Klu Klux Klan or the Christian Coalition to name a few...) because I believe that some of you should be ashamed to call yourselves X-Men fans...
...Or maybe X-Men just means a lot more to me than it does to you. Either way I feel completely sorry for those of you who can't find a deeper enjoyment of these films or films in general even if you had Wolverine's indestructible, razor-sharp anamantium claws to scratch the surface with. -
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Well I keep being told how X-3 is doomed and will suck
by undead neverhood
And yet from the two trailers I have seen and other promotional pieces, so far it looks like a pretty good movie. I'll reserve judgement until the advance reviews start to come in from people that have actually seen the movie.
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Nice post JediSean.....Tolerance is a huge theme in X-men. But the Rent comparisons don't bother me at all. Mainly because I'm hetero. I can't wait to see X3 for my own reasons and there is nothing I've read or seen in any forum that has or will change my mind on the subject.
People can naysay the film all they want and why not? Everyone has a right to their opinion.
Just because there exists a popular opinion doesn't mean it has to be my opinion.
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Two trailers??? Theres has only been one so far.
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thats gotta be a joke. Right? Cmon! These posters look like ipod ads. this summer's gonna be a bummer.
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they look like they are ready to bust out of the poses and do "thriller"
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Wow. I could swear I saw two different ones. Hhhmmmm. My bad.
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Now ya got me wanting to write appropriate parody lyrics a la Weird Al!
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The man of steel will gross more than the combined total of X3 & MI3.
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Sure, they're not "heroic" poses, but they're obviously not supposed to be; you think a professional photographer would confuse repose with stoicism? Was this the "right" way to go? Well, I don't know. But I think that they will get people's attention.
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525,600 mutants/525,600 muties so weird/525,600 mutants/How do they measure, measure their peers?/In storm fronts?/In long tongues?/In red eyes that blast through buildings?/In blue skin?/Or in sharp adamantium claws?/With 525,600 mutants/How do you measure humanity's laws?/How about blood?/How about blood?/How about blood?/Measure in blood/Changes in blood, changes in blood....Thank you, thank you, thank you. Groupies always welcome, more lyrics to come!
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Just wondering
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Eeeeevery mutant has AAAAAAAAAAAAAIDS!!!!!
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(Storm solo, "gospel" style) 525,600 mutants/525,000 storms to create/525,000 pure volts of lightning/Was what I used to blast that toad into the lake! (Wolverine solo) This black chick's white hot/And I want her next week/But tonight's the Doc/And tomorrow MYSTIQUE! (All singers) It's time now/To fight now/All the good against the bad/Let's cut em up/Show em up and let em know just who is their dad! (Chorus)
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For a moment I thought you tried to slant rhyme (fuck spelling it's 3:20am!) "tongues" with "claws" which is crazy... so yeah... I haven't seen RENT... or read Harry Potter... or found Jesus on Fox... sleep's a good thing. Peace.
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X3 is look and feeling way much better the it's first instalments!
We get it that you hate FOX and everything eles related to X3 but learn to grow the F8ck up!
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...to wade through this veritable hater tsunami of shit and really bad gay jokes, but like Ribbons, I really don't get the outrage against these posters. Don't know if it's been brought up yet, but if you put the angsty Batman Begins poster right up there along with the other ones, it would fit right in and I don't recall the BB poster catching the same amount of flak as these have.
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Fox = Simpsons. And if you were talking to emeraldboy, hate might be a strong word for what he's saying about Fox. Now... back to sl99p I g0! Peace.
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I think that's where we differ. I personally don't think that that level of editorialising belongs in a NEWS section. Even on aintitcool.
Apologies if i've missed some of the articles regarding X3..thought I was keeping up to speed. But from the last two recent ones - in the first, Harry does say that he thinks the productions being rushed...and that he hates the photos...but doesn't say WHY. For example, the whole things about the "fucking awful" picture of Mystique. What's wrong with it? Her character design is identical to X1 and X2...there's nothing overtly bad about the action in the picture..at least not to the extent that you could justifiably just say it's shit without an explanation.
Granted, Harry does expand on his reasons in the Valentines article...just a shame that that had to come at the end when the cheap piss-take photoshopped images had already spoken for themselves and for him.
On another note, I also disagree that the images don't look "mythic or awesome"...they look like a renaissance painting of the afterlife, for fuck sake. If anything, they play that card a bit too heavily.
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I think there must be someone working behind the scenes who doesnt like this film at all, or who did and was fired or something. It may well be that this thing is a mess and Fox realises this, I wouldnt necessarily blame that on the director, I think that they are still stung or stunned by Singers decision to make a rival superhero film and suddenly realise they dont have singer and his team, Matthew Vaughn would have been a good stylish director but they lost him too, so they found Ratner and it could be that there is someone working on this film who doesnt like ratner or his style and suddenly these valentines posters and it feeds Harrys hatred of Ratner to the point where he is now vitrolic bile of this movie. its just a theory though.
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You guys are talking about a movie based on a comic book, and you're all complaining about how gay the costumes and the makeup look! How are they supposed to make a guy with blue body hair look non-gay, homofags? And how many people wear capes in real life and look normal. Time to grow up, you juvenile 40-year olds!!!
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In a recent Empire magazine item entitled 201 one things that rocked our world they featured Harry. And he said one of the first paid jobs that he had was with Matt Drudge and that Drudge offered him a job, but Harry said he had no interest in poltics and declined.
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The same could be said for people who get uptight during adaptations of books -- specially seeing as most folk flip out over the homoerotic nature of the LOTR trilogy. Oh - and I'm 21 you dumb ass hog, and damn proud of the fact that I care enough about something that I don't want to see some gorram idiots f'k it up.
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too bad.
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does no one else remember all the complaints about how shitty the first one looked, that turned out great, wait and find out
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It's just another movie... Who really cares anymore. Movies no longer have that "WONDER" for me anyways. It's agenda this and agenda that. Folks just pick sides. Harry is mad that Gay Singer who left to do gay superman with gay lead did not helm X3, so X3 is just gay with another director...
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So they're reaching at least one person. They're certainly more creative than the cookie-cutter "floating heads over stars' names" shit that the studios chuck out. Trailer looks good as well.
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...and STILL no Hermaphrodites.
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http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/x3/xmen5.jpg ... I don't get it. No vaginal cleft in the pic? What? It looks like some pretty cool comic-book action, taking a page from the Matrix movies, but is that supposed to be a bad thing?
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Well, in YET ANOTHER case of racing to judgement on the content of a film, so many of us have managed to take molehill of a promotion and turn it into a judgement on a feature. I, for one, am completely underwhelmed by the posters. However, I do respect the cast (well most of the cast, save Berry whom I have never liked) and think they will do their best with the material they've been given. Word around the campfire is Ratner is basically filming from notes and while I am no great fan of his, my sole criticism of this film goes right back to the heart of its story, which I find utterly annoying. There are so many directions you could take this franchise and they have opted for essentially a re-tread of the second film (Humans try to destroy mutants...again.). That is why I believe X3 will suck. But let's be frank. We're all going to see this as far too many in fandom are gluttons for punishment and we cannot help but see if our worst fears are vindicated.
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agreed, these posters really aren't that great, but they're teasers to a huge franchise. we know that Fox will eventually put out a damn cool one-sheet and i'll be happy. this isn't exactly a movie that they're gonna have to work real hard to sell.
and about Sony, man the fucking Spider-Man 2 Poster Trio(tm) was just shitty and obnoxious to me. and could they have picked a worse one for the DVD cover? sweet communist christ. it's not that hard to make a dman one-sheet. just look at Hellboy (the one that had just HB) or Kill Bill 2. iconic pose of main character. done. the whole slew of poster bullshit with S-M2 and Batman Begins were fucking idiotic. -
EXACTLY THE SAME as before. Criticize other things about this movie, fine, but lets not go making things up now.
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Look at the ORIGINAL COMIC. Wolverine is in striped yellow spandex with pointy blue boots. It's amazing how posters that just show them standing around are bashed for being "gay", when the original source material had them dressed like rejects from "Alice in Wonderland". OH MY GOD!!! PINK LIGHTING?!?!! BEAST IS SUCH A FAG! Get some perspective, people. If you think for a second that this movie is going to be ANYTHING like "Rent", you're hopeless. Besides the fact that it's a composite of one-sheets, not one big poster, "Rent" wasn't even the first movie poster to have characters posing like that. It's not a new marketing tool.
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I think the whole gay thing is stupid too, but I'm pretty sure that the tiger Wolverine suit was like second or third gen. It wasn't the original. I get the point though. Peace.
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I'm just weird that way..its all about balance.
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anyone has mirrors ?
where are the pictures ? its not working for me.
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http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/x3/xmen1.jpg ... just edit the above link, change 1 to 2, up to 25.
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Batman Begins being excellent has nothing to do with the fact that I don't recall vitriol on the level of the current X3 lynch mob's regarding the BB poster. For future reference, if you want to score some kind of debate point, try to write something which isn't essentially a repetition of what your intended target stated earlier. It makes you look like a dumb shit.
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http://www.darkhorizons.com/2006/x3/xmen1.php
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i don't understand why people are complaining about this film. i mean, it's like pointing at a pile of dog shit and yelling "OMG this moist pile of brown stuff smells like SHIT". redundant. we all know the folks at marvel rushed the fuck out of this production. were we EVER, at ANY point in history, expecting the end result of this fiasco to turn out even SLIGHTLY decent? i'm glad DC is, at the very least, taking their time with their properties, and making films that are memorable and- god forbid- FILMS! i'm sure iron man and ghost rider will make me change my tune though. ::puke::
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Didn't phoenix kill cyke by (or at least while) kissing him? How come she is all over wolverine and he's fine? Also, why would she even want to kill cyclops, but not wolverine. Seems silly to me.
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...fuck this movie. And fuck Superman Re-sperms. And fuck...errr, there is another one...can'r remember right now. But fuck that one too! Superhero films need to be GOOD now, if not great, because the market is saturated. How can anybody think Superman is going to be good after the ten years of hell it went through to get made. When has that ever produced a great film? VERY VERY seldom, if ever. And everything I've read on X3 points to it being a steaming pile of shit. However, with Hulk 2 (fuck that!) and FF2 (not even worth saying it) being greenlit after the first films sucked so badly, I guess I should just throw in the towel on this anger and relax. Until these pieces of shit stop making money (INCLUDING the hidden studio goldmine that is DVD) there is going to be more of them. Oh, I remember the other on, FUCK Spiderman 3. How can all you fanboys allow then to jack the story around like they're doing and still be excited? Still be gearing up to support the film? Doesn't it piss you off? I'm not even a huge fan of the Spiderman mythos (casual fan though) and it pisses me off something fierce! The ONLY "superhero" film I am REMOTELY looking forward to is the next Batman.
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you think that the purpose of this site is to provide inexorably opinionated hype masquerading as news? Wow...now THAT'S journalism. And you think that everyone has to agree with your tastes otherwise their opinion is invalid? Sounds like your the site's perfect audience. However, nice use of the word fucktard, twunt.
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Hey Harry, before you can call any pro a hack I think you have to actually work in the profession. And judging from your pathetic writing and complete inability to give intelligent criticism (and no matter how many ass favors you get from promoters in the biz), I'm never going to believe you're qualified. So why don't you waddle back to where came from, stuff a Ho-Ho in your fat face, clutch your precious copy of Ambush Bug #1 and shut the fuck up?
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that I don't think this film will be a steaming pile of fanboy fodder - I just think that Harry is a fucking idiot.
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Harry never called himself a "jornalist!" On this Internet, and on this site, specifically, the line between "journal" and "blog" can get pretty inscrutable. And journalism can be a great many things anyway, not just dispassionately reporting the facts. You are pissed that he seems to have already made up his mind about 'X-Men 3,' and I understand that, but seriously, knock off this "you call yourself a journalist?" crap. No one's calling him a journalist except for you. Anyway, if 'X-Men 3' really is the bee's knees, it's not like Harry's gonna "sink" the movie. And don't pretend he might. His sphere of influence is not that great.
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The thing about that is... which order? I'm not a big comic reader, but I know enough to realize that almost none of the major comic superheros are still running on their original storyline. Every deacade or so another version is started up which take a different spin on it. Be that making Punisher more ruthless or Spider-man more insect like in design. Take Batman for example, he's gone from dark to gray tights and chunkey fights to The Dark Night and who knows how many incarnations inbetween. So I'm okey with some mixing it up, because they're all already mixed up. Some takes make Doctor Octopus Spider-man's biggest foe and others he's just a tough son of a bitch along the way. Littel chronological things don't bug me much. It's when the essance is not captured that I get in an uproar as a geek. That's why I hate the Adam West TV show and Batman and Robin. But little of that has to do with why I'm bashing X3. (note also I'm really not going ape shit over it either. Just not happy with it.) It looks like a bad movie. Reguardless of how off or spot on Sider-man 2 was, as a summer blockbuster I enjoyed it a lot. X 1 & 2 didn't really blow me away. They both had lots of things I liked, but as a whole they won the most points for the fact that I felt going into them that it was impossible to make a good X-Men film. This new one leaves me with that initial vibe. Too many characters too keep focus on, costumes that are hard to take serious, can't kill anyone off with out feeling the wrath of the fans, hard effects to make look right. I'm slightly optimistic actually. But I have very mixed feelings with Ratner. The Rush Hour guy aside, After The Sunset had some real big loose ends and an all around weak wrap-up that ruined a movie I started out liking. Red Dragon was also quite good, but the twist ending with the showdown felt out of place and cleche. Always like the shootout in Man Hunter. That stood more on it's own than on typical suspense wrap ups. The man is just not good with endings, so I'm sorry if I don't feel very good about him making an X-Men film called LAST STAND and hearing rumors about Prof. X and Magnito getting offed. There is a chance here for a real big franchise with SENTENALS... and I really don't think we're going to see it. Peace.
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Two words: Roth's Career. Peace.
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of Harry's influence might not be that great but the sphere of his waistline is.
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five hundred, twenty five thousand, six hundred mutants
five hundred, twenty five thousand, superhuman dudes
five hundred, twenty five thousand, six hundred mutants
Now who could destroy, Wolverine's badass 'tude?
Could Singer?
Could Jackman?
Could Halle Berry's line delivery?
Could Harris?
Could Hayter or Michael Dougherty?
Five hundred, twenty five thousand, six hundred mutants
Who the fuck could detroy Logan's badass 'tude?
Brett Ratner, DOOOOOEEEEEEEEEESSSS!
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I like the photos.
If Ratner did have a say on release, then that's bad.
If you look at beast's hair, which is dark blue, you can see it looks pink, as does the rest of his outfit. Soooooo....although people want to hate and jump the gun. Relax, they are only photos. Not stills from the movie.
So, I'm stickin' with the sayin' You don't know shit, till you get there."
But I still haven't rented FF...I passed it up on on of my flights....and Hostel sucked.
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Three words: "Quentin Tarantino Presents." Peace.
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I did indeed sing along, and it fits pretty well as far as rhythm and syllable count goes. HOWEVER, self-interest forces me to suggest mine is just a bit better, so THERE, nyah nyah nyah! (Also, I stick by my belief that X3 should be given a chance before we start slamming the hell out of it.) Check my post above if you'd like to sing "Changes in Blood" to the tune of "Seasons of Love"...
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Harry has helped a lot of "indie" horror films for better or worse get out there. Bubba Ho Tep and Cabin Fever were both aided greatly by this site. Shuan of the Dead wasn't hurt either, although that movie seemed to have every director and their third uncle backing it up. Anyway, I agree his boycot power is not much to speak of. Peace.
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I figured I wouldn't post mine if somebody had already beaten me to it, but i search the page for the words instead of the digits. I did enjoy singing along with yours, but also in the name of self-interest, I must say that I find yours to be inferior. Perhaps we can can simply agree that neither of us will be getting a record contract anytime soon and call it a night.
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You also have to take into account the fact that a lot of movie poop chute sites were getting behind 'Bubba Ho-Tep,' and it stars every fanboy's favorite chin, Bruce Campbell. It was probably going to be a cult hit anyway. As for 'Cabin Fever,' that's another movie that both Peter Jackson and Sam Raimi endorsed (both were featured prominently in the previews), I think. Peter Jackson definitely did, in any case. I don't deny that Harry has no influence, but the cults of both X-Men and "the blockbuster movie" are much bigger than he is, and it's already a public commodity. If the movie is any good at all, his "propaganda" is not going to stop it from being a success. And if it's any good at all, the people who would've seen it otherwise will eventually see it. I mean shit, how many people do you think refused to see 'Fantastic Four' "out of principle?" Harry drank his hatorade for that movie too, and that one went on to make like $170 million. This is madness. The thing is, I don't even know what we're trying to prove here anymore. People are just arguing over anything (myself included), feeling outraged over... something, I don't know what. So... weary... I mean do I think Harry's being a little closed-minded about this movie? Yes. Does that mean you're not "allowed" to think a movie looks bad (or good) before you see it? No. Am I doing that thing where I ask myself questions again? Yes. Guh. I'm tired.
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That one line should read "I don't deny that Harry has ANY influence." Whoopsies.
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"Anyway, I agree his boycot power is not much to speak of." Roth jokes aside, I think you're getting some kind of talkback fever. I guess if anyone hung out in these bitching trenches long enough they'ed get burnt out sooner or later. Take a break. Go drink some Five Alive and watch Kikujiro or something. There is no argument between us. Peace.
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Ah, that line did have me scratching my head a bit. Anyway, I'm really not one of the big X3 haters. I'd like it to be good. The Double Dragon 2 joke was a pot shot too good to turn down. I'm an optimistic guy, I'm just realistic about my gut. Ratner for all the reasons I've said before makes me nervous. I want a long run of X-men films and this has "GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!" written all over it. I'm not trying to shit in anyone's trumpet. Peace.
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Wow. I mean, what is the hostility between you and this movie? I think Brett Ratner is a fat punk, not much unlike yourself, so you would think you would be able to at least be on the same page as him, am I right?
In all seriousness Harry, why the hostility over this film that won't be out for 5 months? Did the X3 producers have you foot the bill when they took you out for dinner? What's it going to take for you to get bought out of your opinion, ala 60 percent of the other movies you've covered on your declining website. The fuck with this, I'm going to Dark Horizons.
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You guys can tell Harry how fat he is over the years, but I speak the presumable truth over his actions and I'm a troll?
Tell me, when did you get hired to work for this site? Do they offer benefits, I could use health benefits.
Jerk.
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...who's "you guys?" You're either a troll or you have a couple different sets of standards for yourself and for other people. You're calling people jerks but then making fun of Harry for being fat? Mmmmkay. "Harry should like Brett Ratner's movies, because they're both fat! Hahahaha!" Not to mention all your whacked-out conspiracy theories that have no basis in anything even approaching reality (him hating X3 because the producers didn't buy him dinner; him being paid to endorse 60 percent(!) of the movies on this website). So then you spew all this hyperbolic, vitriolic crap all over the place and when I have the courtesy of at least accusing you of being a troll BEFORE I accuse you of being an asshat, I'M the jerk? Whatever, man. Go on to Dark Horizons, then. At least Ain't-It-Cool-News doesn't take interviews from Paul Fischer.
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Do not put things I said out of context. And do not quote me over things I didn't say.
I never said the dinner thing with the X3 producers happened, it never did, it was A JOKE! You're an asshole. People have said a million times worse things than me glorifying stereotypes made against Harry for years on this site. Who are you to call me a troll? Just because you're a "veteran poster" makes you liable to chaperone the site?
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piss off. Seriously, there have been hundreds of posters that have said WORSE things on this site. Take it with them first, then come back and lecture me on how to act. I've read posts by people on various talkbacks that I still can't believe had been said. Why can't you just let it go? -
...the one where they are throwing records and when the guy goes to throw the Prince record the other guy says "No, no that one!"? lol Because that shit is classic and I meant to buy it on DVD but wasn't sure what movie it was(I did enjoy it for reason beyond that). Also, panties are gettin' in a bunch! Relax people - it's just a talkback. You don't have to be right or wrong - that's why it's called an opinion.
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You can't express yourself anymore. Here we have me getting reamed on by a guy who couldn't be more bias. Ribbons should spend more time writing about his own opinions and less time on trying to make an example out of particular ones (myself) because he doesn't like what they have to say. And he was even more out of line in believing that when you quote somebody, it's appropiate to exaggerate what that someone says and put that in quotes. For someone a seasoned talkback veteran like Ribbons, I expected more. Too bad. -
...I'm sure people have written much worse. I was just "in the neighborhood" when you were posting your "joke" and made a passing comment about you being a troll, which I thought to be accurate. Then you responded to me, and I responded back. I wasn't trying to lecture you on how to act. You're the only one lecturing, pal. Oh yeah, and if your post was a joke, then what's your point, exactly?
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Remember those? These posters look just like the second series. They're probably designed to look like them deliberately. They sold well and where around during one of those periods when X-Men where terriblly popular/sold well.
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Sheesh...defending Harry by saying that he's not supposed to be a film journalist? I think that's more insulting than anything else. It strikes me that it's usually Harry's detractors who label him as a blogger and hype merchant rather than a credible journalist. Have you read Harry's book "Hollywood's Redhead Stepchild Speaks Out" in which he himself devotes an entire section to arguing that he's a credible JOURNALIST? Altering his job description (or at least that which he aspires to be) in order to accommodate journalistic flaws is really clutching at straws.
I know his style is entertaining informal journalism, but for many people is the primary source of film news on the internet. This isn't just a random blog, it's a journalistic filmsite (which, granted, has occasional blog tendencies..but in this case Harry has underminded and cheapened the journalism aspect by taking the blogging and editorialising one step too far. -
...FIRST of all, I didn't know that. I apologize for saying that he never called himself a journalist and I stand corrected, but it's not like I'm "clutching at straws" here (plus I don't really think someone in your position should accuse other people of "clutching at straws" considering you're trying to *prove* that it's unethical for Harry to be doing what he's doing). It's not like everybody who post here's read that book by Harry -- I'm actually sort of surprised that you did, of all people. But also, here's the rub: you decide that, yes, AICN does have 'bloggish' tendencies; but in this case, it was *too* bloggish. If that's the only reason you care, then you've been noticeably absent in dozens of other articles where I'm sure he's done the exact same thing; and if Harry thought it looked good, I doubt you'd have a problem with his so-called bad journalism. But I digress. My question to you is, how do you decide when a blog/news journal becomes too bloggish? Does Harry outline a set of ethics, with a code, or a set of rules, in this chapter where he styles himself a journalist? And does he break any of those rules? In that case, while I still don't agree that he's not allowed to do what he just did, you can at least claim to have called him on his own ethos. But you can't (well, you can) just go around saying he's not being "journalistic" enough, because that's entirely up to you to decide, and you're obviously at least a little biased as far as this issue goes (as are most people, which is why I don't think the distinction between blog and news journal really belongs here).
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...yeah, right on man! Fuck me! You're entitled to your wacky opinions! I'm glad this little exchange of words between us has helped bring you one step closer to self-actualization. You sure have a funny way of not giving a shit about what other people say, but oh well. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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I give you three words: Simon-fucking-Kinberg. The screenwriting GENIUS behind Mr & Mrs Smith and XXX2: State of the Union -- and the script doctor who added the magic to Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, Elektra, Catwoman and Fantastic Four -- is credited as one of two screenwriters on X3. How does someone with a touch as horrifically mortifying as Kinberg's continually get work? And on a fucking X-Men picture, yet??? The trailer looked entertaining, but the Kinberg Factor has me freaked...
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I think I'm going to go read a book....
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It becomes too bloggish when you judge a film based on a few publicity shots and present a piss-take before the facts. Simple.
Harry has always been prone to editorialising, but i've never spoken out before because in my opinion it's never been done in such a cheap manner.
Why are you surprised that i've read his book? I'm a film-studies Masters student and in the past have always respected the journalistic integrity of this site, even when others have decried it as flimsy fanboy waffle. I've always seen Harry's commentary as enthusiastic yet fair. I don't ever recall a past instance when Harry's resorted to this kind of badmouthing before the final product is released, and to take it from the opposite angle, I wouldn't have thought it any better if Harry had presented a set of "improved" re-photoshopped posters before the actual product, or if he had looked at the handful Superman / Spiderman 3 pics and proclaimed them to be definitive proof that the film is going to brilliant or "we all know that this is going to rule and here's the proof!"
Yes, he's been enthusiastic about publicity stuff in the past but rarely does he allow himself to form a definitive opinion based on it.
But all of this recent stuff has flown in the face of my previous respect for him, which is why i've taken this opportunity to vent my disappointment. It's not that he's not allowed to do it - it's his website after all. I'm just annoyed that he did (and the talkback section is the place to discuss that). I'm not overtly biased - I don't hate Harry and I don't have any fanboyish love of the X-Men series. How is any of this "clutching at straws" on my part?
If you take the time to read this talkback, I think you'll find that a lot of reasonable, rational people have good reasons for agreeing with me. -
"Batman begins is going to suck. All that suit is missing are the nipples." You guys crack me up sometimes. Admittedly, I'm not sold on the idea of Kelsey Grammer (at all)- but I will be there opening weekend. The cast, much of the production team and one of the writers are all back on board from X2. Is everyone here assuming that they all rolled over and let Ratner make a crappy movie just becuase Brian Singer got a better offer? "Do whatever you want Brett, we're all just here to collect a paycheck". You can nitpick moments to death in any film that's ever been made, but here is a franchise that is very important to Marvel and a cast that collectivly has a ton of juice all of thier own. The producers have shown they can make a good X-Men movie, the cast knows the characters inside out, the trailer looks interesting and that new pic of Rouge shows Anna is still 11 kinds of hot. Face it - X3 will be a good movie. Better than X2? Maybe not - but a lot better than many movies I've paid $9 to see. So many here took a shit all over "Batman Begins", writing off that film the day that rubber bat suit picture hit the net - yet no one ever took the time to retract and say "I was so wrong on that one." I have little doubt you will all be silent again as you go see X3 twice at the theater and buy the DVD day and date.
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Harry would like to rip the shit out of PJ's KONG, but he can't for various social and financial reasons, so he's venting his disappointment and aggression on the hapless X3.
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and so does Harry and so does the majority of the film press (even if they think it's bad journalism). Read his book.
Some accuse it of pseudo-journalism...but (at least in my experience) those who dismiss it as entirely non-journalistic are often those with an elitist agenda of hatred for the type of fan-friendly informal journalism / criticism which is inherent in the style of aintitcool.
Hope you managed to change your trousers. -
Oh please for the love of God. thank you whoever pointed the sentinel out behind Rogue. Fuck yeah motherfuckers. If there are sentinels in this it'll be hard to totally fuck this up, I hope anyway.
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I mean... it is a little interesting that a shitload of people (myself included) went there when we were trying to figure out exactly what the fudge she was standing in front of, but if they're trying to keep the Sentinel thing a secret (which I assume they are, but maybe I'm wrong), then I don't think they'd put her in a publicity still with one. It could just be something as banal as a car, albeit one that's been smashed up. I don't know. I don't particularly like the idea of Sentinels, but seeing one make a cameo in a Danger Room sequence could be kinda cool.
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it really has the outline of a Sentinel. I think it'd be awseome if in the third act they have some big ass battle and the Sentinels come out to play. I can just picture Beast swinging around and tearing ones head off, or Wolvie just ripping into one. Think of it, they wouldn't have to restrain Wolverinesw killing ability on giant robots to get a PG rating.
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In that post above
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I'm glued to the Olympics. Does anyone know anything about curling? Where it came from, anything? Can't wait for the women's snowboarding tonight!
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...because I finally got out of the house this weekend and saw a movie in a theater again! Anyway, on these posters, I'm usually the first to take someone to task for calling something "teh ghey," but even I have admit that the Beast picture looks like someone's five-year-old neice dressed him up for a stuffed animal tea party. That said, the Angel poster is actually pretty cool and the Phoenix one is interesting. Rogue went and got hot. I've been pretty cynical about this movie since reading that script review but, after seeing a trailer in the theater, I've made peace with the idea of it. So they're killing off Prof. x and Cyclops. That sucks because Cyclops had a lot of unexplored potential and got short shrift in the first two films, but if this is the final film of the franchise (and it's pretty much looking that way), then they can do whatever they want as long as it has some purpose to the overall narrative (looking at the films as a trilogy) and they do it well. I enjoyed the first two movies (2 more than 1). I'll see the third just for a sense of closure. It could easily suck, but - given my relatively low expectations - I might be pleasantly surprised. On a side note, I'm highly amused to find moviemack back ont he offensive against Batman Begins. We haven't even started getting threads devoted to the sequel yet, have we? Way to be proactive, 'mack! Although the first film failed to live down to your hateful expectations, perhaps if you hate real hard on the sequel...ahhh, who're we kidding. The sequel will probably be pretty good, too.
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If this is what they call cross-marketing, then whoever the goddamn head of Fox's marketing department (didn't I read it was some fat guy too?) should be bought out of his contract ASAP. One flop after then next is becoming Fox's forte...
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I'd usually be the first to say, "give it a chance, it doesn't look that bad". But seriously WTF is going on with this movie. Think about it, if it wasn't being rushed to beat SUPERMAN out of the box, we may get a CGI Juggers or Beast. I'll even accept that Juggernaut shouldn't be 10 feet tall or something crazy since it seems like they are trying to keep with Singer's whole "real world movie", but he looks like a turd with a helmet(that he doesn't even wear). Hopefully everything that has been released is just to numb us and the actual movie isn't all that bad...hopefully.
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I'd usually be the first to say, "give it a chance, it doesn't look that bad". But seriously WTF is going on with this movie. Think about it, if it wasn't being rushed to beat SUPERMAN out of the box, we may get a CGI Juggers or Beast. I'll even accept that Juggernaut shouldn't be 10 feet tall or something crazy since it seems like they are trying to keep with Singer's whole "real world movie", but he looks like a turd with a helmet(that he doesn't even wear). Hopefully everything that has been released is just to numb us and the actual movie isn't all that bad...hopefully.
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yeah
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why did it have to end on such a bad note? this movie has become a joke. i'm not going to see it. see, i go for the eye candy first and the story second. Having Phoenix kill Cyclops, then Prof X; having Storm and Wolverine hook up, Iceman dump Rogue for Shadowcat, Mystique be cured into a normal human, Psylocke be introduced as a villain, splitting the team up into factions (one working for the government); and even giving control of the Mansion team to Logan; all of these things I embrace.
But when Juggernaut is demoted to Bain, when Leach is demoted from lizard boy to sick human-looking white boy, when Colossus is NOT CGI-ed; when we are forced to look to Kelsey Grahmer himself to execute all of Beast's stunts; when Beast has tiny hands and feet, and can stand erect at will; when holographic battle chambers are doable in a film but giant robots are not, then I have to decline seeing this movie.
I! SAID! GOOD! DAY! -
should've started it off by saying ***MAJOR SPOILER ALERT***
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http://www2.davidson.edu/studentlife/stu_orgs/oops/Gallery/Images/Random/lionel_hairy_freak.jpg
also, does anyone have the pre-production X1 designs for the beast costume that were available on the dvd? THAT was what beast should've looked like. -
I seriously thought the deaths were common knowledge on the site. Had no idea about the team splitting into factions, though. That idea actually has some potential...if it weren't in the same movie with the Phoenix stuff. As for those deaths, this is a comic book movie. There's always the possibility that Phoenix will come to her senses and/or have a nervous breakdown by film's end, using her godlike powers to effect a "House of M" kind of reboot in the movie continuity, setting the stage for Singer's triumphant return in X4minus1. Dare we hope? Probably not. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that the sub-par script is at least shot and acted competently. Beast's and Colossus' make-up/costumes are kind of disappointing, though.
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http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/3113/beast5rz.png
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Hey Harry, you're probably the only other person to remember this photo. The story behind it broke around the same time X1 debued, and you couldn't resist calling it a case for Dr. McCoy.
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..it seems that this production has taken a very wrong turn on it's horribly rocky road to success, it has zigged when it should hav zagged. ..something about these pix feels oddly vanilla to me. in the previous article, with the image of Colossus that looked like the bastard child of Dr. Doom, a toaster, and those creepy plastic people from the old duracell commercials (remember those?) - also, Juggernaut's crappiness could easily be overshadowed by the 733Tness of Vinnie Jones' performance (hopefully), so u never kno, BUT; those leather-bound s&m heroin-sheik supermodel-types that are supposedly Jugg's thugs look like they lept right out of the crappy Electra franchise. you can tell Ratner personally hand-picked them (after HE invented the characters out of his OWN ass!) they seem like all filler and no killer to me.
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Ratner got in on this what, 9 weeks before shooting started? And Fox didn't even pause for breath. Hence re-shoots I guess. There's no way to get style and flair with
this sort of steam-roller attitude to film making, it's so sad because essentially it guarantees a franchise will go stale. It's clear that the Rent poster could be a piss take of the situation. The execs want their regular pay packet, to hell with the movie. -
You don't think that any of the film press counts as journalism and that it's unreasonable to say that it thinks of itself as journalism? What the fuck are you on about? Do you even know what media journalism is?
And i'm not forming opinions based on film media or Harry...in this case I just happen to agree with them - probably because it's a shared logical argument.
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They featured Ben Foster's Valentine... and it made me happy
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