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A Question For James Cameron About AVA... Errrrrr, PROJECT 880!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

Okay. I guess it’s time to discuss one of the worst-kept best-kept secrets in Hollywood right now.

Word’s been leaking for a little while, little by little, and it’s harder and harder to pretend like the secret isn’t out there. James Cameron has long been rumored to be working on a big-screen adaptation of BATTLE ANGEL ALITA. I know he’s been working on it. He’s worked with other writers, and he’s been working his art department hard, as long as two years ago. And as he gets closer and closer to production, it seemed like BATTLE ANGEL was pretty much a sure thing. James Cameron’s big return to narrative feature filmmaking. An event on the scale of any LORD OF THE RINGS or STAR WARS or Spielberg event. And make no mistake, Cameron’s return film will be a genuine cultural event, no matter what he ends up making. It’s just exciting to know that he’s finally back at work, his head back in the game completely.

But last summer, when word of PROJECT 880 first broke, it genuinely was a secret. Cameron had been quietly taking measures to keep that secret for about six months before that, and in doing so, he sort of gave the game away early. The moment we started seeing those clues, Harry and I both spoke and decided to let it play out a bit before mentioning it. We didn’t want to spook Cameron off of it again.

And “it” is a project that Cameron almost made about a decade ago, a film that I have always mourned the loss of with the same fervor that Knowles bemoans the fact that CRUSADE never got made. I considered “it” to be a genuine loss for cinema in general, and for James Cameron superfans in particular. And it’s funny. I haven’t really ever had a James Cameron film to cover during my time at AICN, so I haven’t spent a lot of time writing about him. I don’t think I’ve ever fully articulated just how insane about Cameron’s work I am.

And despite Cameron’s assurances that we are going to see BATTLE ANGEL ALITA next, we were getting bombarded with rumors about the resurrection of “it,” a film called AVATAR, to the point that Harry had to finally mention it last August.

So is that what we’re going to see in 2007? Is it going to happen instead of BATTLE ANGEL? Are we finally going to get a look at AVATAR? We’ve been talking about this film for pretty much the full ten years that Ain’t It Cool has been around. We’re missing a lot of that first year and a half, but here’s one of our early mentions of the project, and a review from the year 2000 of the treatment, which cracks me up if only because AB King somehow managed to make it all about Arnold Schwarzenengger... again.

But all of this simply raises a question, one that I wish I could ask Cameron directly. I wish I could just say, “My question for you today, Mr. Cameron, is very simple: are we finally going to Pandora?”

What set me off? This e-mail appeared in the mailbox earlier tonight:

All are registered to Greenberg Glusker Fields Claman Machtinger & Kinsella LLP, the law firm that represents James Cameron. All were registered in May or June 2005.

It looks like we'll be able to take a virtual safari of Pandora's flora and fauna once the marketing campaign begins...which sounds pretty awesome to me.

And he’s right. Those domains are registered to that law firm. They were registered last summer, valid through the summer of 2010. At this point, with circumstantial stuff stacking up, Cameron’s starting to make his intentions clear. He has done everything he can to track down and delete every single digital copy of the AVATAR treatment that’s out there, and he’s done a hell of a job. I don’t think there’s a single website where you can still find the treatment available for download, and it used to be fairly readily available.

I hope he really is making the film, and that the reason he tracked down that 90-something page document and did his best to erase it is because he wants to cloak the film in mystery again. Even if people do still have copies of it, there’s no way that’s EXACTLY what you’ll be seeing, or even close to what he’ll eventually make. He’s a different person now, a different filmmaker, I’m sure, and he’s had a decade’s worth of real-life experience that he’ll bring to the table as a writer and as a director.

What’s really interesting to me is how Cameron is doing things exactly the reverse of how George Lucas did them. Lucas has spent a lot of time in the press talking about how he’s planning to be an experimental filmmaker. He wants to make documentaries again. He just wants to follow his own interests for a while. He treated STAR WARS like it was an obligation, something he had to get out of the way before he could do what he really wanted to do.

And that’s exactly what Cameron just did. He just spent a decade making experimental films, testing new cameras and other filmmaking technological innovations while making documentaries about his interests. And now, fit and ready to rumble and excited about his craft all over again, Cameron’s finally coming back to blockbusters.

I know Cameron’s in Santa Barbara today. He’s going to be seeing a lot of people face to face. I’d like to ask everybody who’s going to be there to ask him the same question after they say hello. I’ve waited a full decade so far to see Josh Sully’s adventures on this distant planet, and if there’s even a chance we’re really about to see the Na’vi come to life, then I have to know...

”Are we finally going to Pandora?”

If the answer’s yes, then sign me up.

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Cameron rocks

    by Smerph

    Will have to see this. one day.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:38 a.m. CST

    What the shit is it about..

    by HolyCalamity

    too lazy to click a link!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST

    AVATAR Scriptment

    by RenoNevada2000

    So glad I printed that out when I stumbled across it so long ago. Maybe I'll re-read it this weekend. (Though I did just get my hands on the Superman V Batman script too...)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST

    The Avatar Script was indeed great...

    by Mantenna

    ...but how long will it take Cameron to tackle that after BAA. I'm afraid, we'll have to wait a long long time.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:43 a.m. CST

    So Moriarty...

    by photoboy

    You've got a hard on for Cameron too huh? I don't care what he directs next, I just can't wait to see it!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:44 a.m. CST


    by Bubastis

    thats all.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Love to see this

    by Steve Rogers

    Cameron's been gone too long. First?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:45 a.m. CST


    by Thunderpants

    Is anyone doing DVD reviews anymore?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Sin City was good

    by Bean_

    This should be amazing.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:47 a.m. CST


    by Bean_

    Ignore that I totally read the headline wrong lol...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:52 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    Yes. I'll have a couple of DVD columns up in the next few days, and in the meantime, go over to for some DVD mini-reviews.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    The whole point of this is that it looks like AVATAR's going to go first, and it's BATTLE ANGEL ALITA that's going to get pushed.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    that sounds fantastic...

    by newc0253

    but, after reading all that, i still have no idea what this is all about.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    So can we have an article that actually makes sense now?

    by JiggamanSpence

    I seriously have no idea what that was trying to tell me.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:10 a.m. CST


    by TheBoyFromUlster

    Man, I wish he would just bring something out, anything! Been away too long but I can't see him doing 2 films or even 3 back to back. He was never that prolific in the first place. You have to worry that maybe his output so far will be considerd the bulk of his career.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:15 a.m. CST

    If Cameron makes another film

    by emeraldboy

    it will be like the king coming to reclaim his crown and throne. The film will bomb and cameron will go back to diving again.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:21 a.m. CST

    final fantasy

    by misnomer

    As much as I like camerons work, I dont think i'd be AS interested in seeing an all cgi movie of his, especially if it ends up looking like FF. PLUS its not T4 : ( I hope he goes the live action route-the techonology isnt quite there for a project as ambitious as this. (then again it might be in 5yrs)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST

    "I don

    by Nafl

    About 25 seconds with Google would appear to prove you wrong on this point. Thanks Google Cache!

  • Whoa...easy there Mori, let's not get to overconfident about how much influence "we" have over the film industry. Better yet, if you are that all powerful why don't you get George and Steve to start working on that silly little flick about that Indiana guy?

  • For the record I meant to type the word TOO where it was appropriate.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Someone should round up Cameron and Besson and give them a good

    by martinsmith93

    Or at least a hefty telling-off. We need action movies. Good ones. Enough with the Paul Walker shit. (Hopefully this will go better than when Mr Romero came back and tried to show all these upstarts how to do horror, with an average cheese-fest. Cheers, George.)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST

    I agree with AARONIUS...

    by Shigeru

    I think its mighty haughty to assume that AICN could "spook" James effing Cameron off a project. ...But then again that good lashing they gave that Superman script actually had some influence, or so I hear.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    that's some bad fucking news...

    by Windowlicker74

    I thought Battle Angel was well under way..... Can't Cameron just make up his mind about what he wants to do? fucking Christ..

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    that's some bad fucking news...

    by Windowlicker74

    I thought Battle Angel was well under way..... Can't Cameron just make up his mind about what he wants to do? fucking Christ..

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I just watched "Aliens" again...

    by theoneofblood

    Jesus Christ, that movie continues to kick so much ass, and it was made the same year I was born! Why can't hollywood make action films that good these days?!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by talbuckin

    I would prefer that one. I have read the script of Avatar, though, and the final battle looks like could be the fucking mother of all fucking battles in fucking alien planets with fucking alien animals and fucking all.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Although I know nothing about Avatar...

    by Monkey Butler

    The name is cool, and I'll read the scriptment ASAP. Thanks Mori (although I don't think anyone else has noticed it yet).

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST


    by GenericJokeName

    I have also noticed it but it probably shouldn't be mentioned what it is.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST

    I wonder if Ursula LeGuin will sue.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The scriptment is basically "The Word for World is Forest" crossed with some remote-consciousness-exploration stuff.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:49 a.m. CST

    I just noticed "it"

    by Shigeru

    heh. tricky.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Anyone got a working link to the scriptment?

    by dr_buggerlugs

    I've got too much work to do to keep looking for one dangnammit...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    How do you use google cache?

    by Shan

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    How do you use google cache?

    by Shan

    Every time someone says use it, I can never work out how. (I've never had any interest in reading the Avatar script - but now that I've been told I can't have it ... maybe ...)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Or yeah, this cache thing innit...

    by dr_buggerlugs

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Please Tell Me...

    by GrammarPolice

    ...that someone else clicked the hyperlink for the Avatar script. Moriarty, that was definitely asking Cameron's lawyers to come pay their respects to the House of Ain't.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    How do you use google cache?

    by Shan

    Every time someone says use it, I can never work out how. (I've never had any interest in reading the Avatar script - but now that I've been told I can't have it ... maybe ...)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Please Tell Me...

    by GrammarPolice

    ...someone else clicked the hyperlink hidden in Mori's post. I guess you guys really do want to talk with Cameron. Too bad it'll only be Lightstorm's lawyers doing the talking.

  • It's not going to be a traditional film per say, but an attempt to immerse the audience in Pandora. BAA will be the standard narrative theater movie. Avatar is going to be his crossing of fiction and the experimental/docu work he's done for the past decade.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by gredenko

    does anyone really think that a leaked script treatment floating around on some nerdy websites is a breach that worries someone doing something on this scale? if the movie is a plot-twist-centric sort of thing, then sure, the beans will get spilled and people may take a pass on it, but i find it hard to imagine that even if all the film geeks on the internets got together, that it could possibly derail the picture that's bound to be marketed as 'from the director of...'

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST

    If you want the Avatar treatment...

    by GrammarPolice

    ...and Mori's hyperlink fails, I'm hosting it for the time being at

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Thanks 'GrammarPolice'

    by KoozyK

    I appreciate the post. I've never been able to find it in time before it was pulled. I got my reading for the weekend.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Found "it"

    by dr_buggerlugs

    So far it sounds like a entirely CGI'd cartoon about an 8 foot blue bloke with a tail. Oh well, better than another Titanic documentary I suppose.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST

    "From the maker of Aliens" Just curious how that plays to the US

    by JackRabbitSlim

    He shoulda just kicked out a 30 mil budget modern noir or sumpin 6 months after Titanic to get that monkey off his back. Every director should be compelled to release a film every 3 years or have their DGA status revoked - keep em from dwelling on their own genius. My cheapass two cents

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST

    So no battle angel for the time being huh?

    by Johnno

    S'cool... I'm intrigued by this now... Been reading the Last Order continuation and it's one fucked up trip! Anyway, hope they're starting to utilize those glasses-less 3D technologies we're hearing so much about...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Maybe Avatar is really LOST...

    by chickychow

    you know, with the jungle and the "company" and the humanoids and krazy critters... yeah, there are humanoids on Lost, you just ain't seen em yet.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Nice easter egg

    by Nachokoolaid

    I was hoping I wasn't the only one that found "it." Sneaky sneaky.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Is the "Easter Egg" still up, or has it been taken down?

    by Dagan

    I scanned my mouse over the entire page and couldn't find the hidden link.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Scratch that - found it

    by Dagan


  • we want to be excited too...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 11 a.m. CST


    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST


    by durmer killik

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Project 880 in Business Week (link)

    by Scorpio -- "Cameron is working on the screenplay for Project 880, which he describes as "completely crazy, balls-out sci-fi." If it gets produced, it could be the first major Hollywood project that audiences will experience first as a multiplayer game on the Net, and only later on the silver screen." So, is Project 880 the online precursor to AVATAR?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 12:02 p.m. CST

    HARRY IS A RETARD- We kept saying it was going to be PROJECT 880

    by ch2praxis

    Remember that AICN was the first stupid portal site spreading about the female casting from Mali Finn being about BATTLE ANGEL and then the rest of the press went along the bandwagon??? Now that the truth about PRoJECT 880 being AVATAR is finally coming out of the surface, I just wish that Harry and AICN stop jumping the gun and finally decide to act professionally and rationally NEXT TIME AROUND!!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Okay, where is IT?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Just a hint...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Both projects = Interesting

    by one9deuce

    You can't go wrong with James Cameron and Sci-Fi, and both Avatar and Battle Angel are hard core Sci-Fi. Each would take a LARGE amount of money to see the light of a release day. It's hard to imagine either of them realistically coming in under $200,000,000. With Titanic becoming the biggest hit in history James Cameron had the clout to do ANY project, similar to Peter Jackson going from The Lord of the Rings directly into King Kong. Jackson cashed in his new found power by getting Universal to bankroll his dream project at a price of over $200,000,000. Cameron might have waited too long. Ten years is eternity in Hollywood. He obviously still has power, but it might be difficult getting the suits to greenlight such esoteric science-fiction at such a huge budget. Can films like these make that kind of budget back? I would say it's improbable based on the less than stellar tastes of the masses, and the masses are needed to make that kind of money back. Which sucks, but it is an absolute. Battle Angel has the kind of fighting action that can get people to the theater, but Avatar reads (at least the first half, I don't want to spoil it for myself if it does get made) like James Cameron has something to say. I will certainly be in the cinema multiple times for either of them.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Strange This Would Come Out Today...

    by GrammarPolice

    Yet another 880 reference:

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by lopan

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it this way... but who cares.

    by Roguewriter

    Didn't James Cameron pretty much stop being relevant right around the time he went insane at the Oscars and declared himself king of the world?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Ah, much better! I'd rather see this than another anime-bas

    by bunny_lebowski

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    most of the way through IT...

    by Shigeru

    wow this movie is gonna cost so much fucking money to make.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by drjones

    it's just nice how moriarty can turn a post of his into a little LOST episode. i guess i skipped all of these news and thus have no idea what these projects are about... it sounds interesting though. however i love that whole idea of fake internet sites that expand the films' reach...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    What, no Super Bowl Superman Returns trailer?

    by kintar0

    SUPER Bowl. SUPER man. Seems like a no-brainer. I thought that the Super Bowl traditionally was a showcase for movie trailers? It's on Sunday, right? This Sunday? Shouldn't we be hearing something before AICN goes non-update for the weekend? How about some cool news? For old time's sake?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST


    by Rowley Birkin QC

    A cultural event in the sense that anyone outside of fanboys cares about it? On the scale of Lord Of The Rings? I think not. I don't see the mass crossover appeal of Battle Angel Alita, for one. Cameron isn't as big a name as you think. Too many of his films have been shitty, and the ones that had the least ropey dialogue (Aliens and the Terminators) are now relics of the 1980s.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST

    "Even if people do still have copies of it, there

    by crazyeyezkillah

    Well, duh. It was a "scriptment," not a screenplay, and not even a shooting script. I think that the majority of us know enough about the Industry to realize things like this. Sure, you've sold a script for a one hour anthology series and we all know you're just like Kevin Smith now (and we all know you desperately want to BE Kevin Smith), but c'mon. You and Harry aren't going to "spook" Cameron off of anything. Let's see: millions of dollars in development and resources vs. a movie news/gossip resource on the internets... "They KNOW! Aagh! Now I have to make Titanic 2! Damn you, McWeeny!" Please...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    There's Everything You've Ever Known About Adventure...and then there's Jim Cameron. You know its true!!!!!!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Talk about Ghosts of the Abyss...

    by blackwood

    ...I read about Avatar when I was fourteen. Wow. Also, could this mean possibly, somewhere, somehow, I'll eventually get to see The Mercury Effect (or whatever it was - that one where they blast a pair of chimps into space and they come back super smart - one good, one evil, and incite the domesticated animals of the world to revolt against their human oppressors... shiny)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST

    What the hell is this?

    by Trazadone

    I'm a nerd through and through and I've never heard of this. As for Cameron, who gives a shit at this point. Wasn't Titanic like a decade ago. There was a time when I got excited about a new Cameron flick coming out, not anymore. King of the world indeed.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Short Round, your post, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    by one9deuce

    Aliens and The Terminator films are relics of the 80's now? Is that why Aliens has been ripped off ad nauseam since 1986, and even more so in the last couple of years. And the next couple of years also with Halo. Aliens, The Terminator, and Terminator 2: Judgment Day are all action classics. Period. They aren't making action films as good as those three nowadays. The year something came out is irrelevant. I'll take a 65 Mustang and you can have the 75 Mustang because the classic Mustang is a relic of the 60's.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST

    After reading that entire scriptment (thanks Mory)...

    by Nachokoolaid

    There is NO WAY IN HELL that Avatar can be made for less than $200 million. I see it being much closer to $250 million, at least. And this is before advertisement/marketing. But god, is this an effects team's wet dream, or what? And does anyone else picture the Na'vi as Abe Sapien, but only less like a fish, and more like a cat?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST

    So he won't be making AQUAMAN?

    by TimBenzedrine

    What a drag. It's a drag I believe everything I see on TV.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Your so right kintar0. Everyone knows that they'll be a tea

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Get it together hommie!

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    I have no doubt this would make an amazing picture...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...but I'd much rather see Cameron blowing real stuff up, throwing a few stuntmen around, using props, sets and all the "old fashioned stuff" and shoot good ol'some visceral action and actually creating exciting film as opposed to just bleeding a giant computer graphics card dry. But then again, I want to see actual life sized Transformers built for the film so what do I know?

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Give the dude a chance

    by Vern

    I'm not a huge Cameron fan but when a guy has made at least a couple of classics (Aliens, something else probaly), and his last movie was almost ten years ago, and especially in the case when that last movie was universally expected to be a disastrous flop but turned out to be the highest grossing movie of all time and winner of way too many oscars... in that case it actually IS an event for them to make a new movie, whether you like it or not. I mean come on. If a high profile director makes alot of movies, like say Spielberg or somebody, you get mad and say they're losing their touch and they should just stop making so many movies. If they don't make movies very often, like this guy, Tarantino, Malick or Kubrick (who by the way has the best excuse, since he's dead in my opinion), then you complain that they're lazy or a fluke or irrelevant. If they're new to the game, even if they're good, you say they're a one hit wonder or a post-ironic hipster or unproven. But if they're proven veterans then you don't want to hear from them anymore because that was a long time ago and who cars about a great movie that came out in 1986 when there's a remake of THE FOG new on DVD. I mean for god's sake there is nothing on this earth that will make some of you fuckers happy. The porridge will NEVER be just right. But you're still my buds anyway. thanks everybody.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    This sounds like an Urkell wet dream

    by rivercb

    It could be good but all the stuff he's been working on sounds like something an asian high school kid draws on his notebook in algebra.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST

    recent news:

    by Johnno

    Any self-respecting geek knows director James Cameron from his hit films Aliens, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, and The Abyss. Oh, and Titanic. But we prefer not to talk about that one. At any rate, Cameron--who has been missing from the Hollywood director's chair in the six-plus years since Titanic--is busy planning a new film called Project 880, which he describes as "completely crazy, balls-out sci-fi." And his plans for Project 880 are characteristically ambitious. Though the film is at least two years off, BusinessWeek reports that Cameron is already drawing up plans to introduce that film's universe in an online MMO game. The plan is to release the MMO game before the film hits theaters; in Cameron's words, to "create a world for people and then later present a narrative in that world." This is a novel premise, as most film tie-in games tend to be conveyor belt crap simply designed to rake in a few extra bucks in merchandising. Though next to nothing is known about Cameron's upcoming film or game, he mentions that MMO's give the player a chance to experience a new universe "in a highly competitive, fast-paced interaction." So if nothing else, we can probably rule out a sequel to Puzzle Pirates.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    looks like It is gone now?

    by quadrupletree

    Can't find. Must read.... AAAAAHHH

  • And at one of those times when AICN did not post a new story for two days.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST

    "in the six-plus years since Titanic" er, can you count?

    by performingmonkey

    Titanic was released in 1997. Chill out, dickwad. The Terminator is one of the all-time CLASSIC CLASSIC MOTHERFUCKING CLASSIC movies. The same goes for Aliens and Terminator 2: Judgement Day, but not in the same way as the first Terminator. As sci-fi action thrillers go, you'd be hard put to find better. T2 is more of an epic, especially the special edition cut (the one which includes Arnie doing the cheesy horse grin, but also the cool scene where they extract the CPU from his head), but the performances are so perfect it's not funny. I'm not sure which Terminator has Arnie's best performance. He gave a solid turn in T3, despite the movie feeling fairly lightweight compared with T2.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Do you think they're watching this site?

    by Shan

    They shut "" (Grammar Police) down very fast ...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Do you think they're watching this site?

    by Shan

    They shut "" (Grammar Police) down very fast ...

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Hot damn, I might have that scriptment burried away on a hard dr

    by Tall_Boy

    I'll try my best to find it. and by "try my best" I mean, never, ever put it online because Cameron would kill me.

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    IT's still out there...

    by Anti-fanboy

    Just look a little deeper on Google. .. I found it using a couple obvious keywords and looking further than the first few pages of results. And I can't really put into words how much I'm looking forward to seeing this. Or any new film by Cameron. If we get both this AND Battle Angel... just seems to good to be true. I just wish Cameron had come across Masamune Shirow's Appleseed at some point -- always struck me as the perfect material for him, since way before hearing he had an interest in any anime property. Ditto GITS.

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    IT ...

    by emu47

    is flying through the air, and everything IT can scare. IT starts out at the dawn of day, looking for ITS helpless prey ...!!!

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST



    someone please tell me what the fuck moriarty is talking about? my geekness only goes so far...

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah, They Shut Me Down Pretty Quickly...

    by GrammarPolice

    As far as legal notices go, however, they were pretty nice about it. I think they realize getting this scriptment off the internet is going to be next to impossible. Doesn't mean I didn't comply quick as shit, though (lol).

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Cameron + Hard Sci Fi = YAY!

    by ZombieSolutions

    but BATTLE ANGEL ALITA is the project I really want to see. AVATAR might be cool, but cute ingenue android war machine kicking the crap out of giant monsters is infinitely cooler.

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    There aren't many other movie projects that could get me mor

    by JDanielP

    If I could match a director with a project, I would love to see James Cameron direct an epic interpretation of (the Alex Ross illustrated) "KINGDOM COME". How about Batman? Superman? Wonder Woman? Iron-man? How about an interpretation of "AVENGERS UNLIMITED", which is already a life-like take on Marvel's Avengers? How about the "HULK" sequel? (Just look at "ALIENS", an incredible sequel to a movie he did not originate.) How I love the Spider-man movies, ...but how I would have loved to see Jim's version, too! My #1 desire for Jim is for his magic touch and gifted eye to be focused on a popular superhero, team or individual. How cool would it be to see James Cameron's talent applied to popular superhero icons??? But Cameron must go where his heart takes him, where he feels compelled and thrilled and excited all over again, projects that will challenge his great talent. I figure that "TITANIC" will be the only sinking ship he will ever make ...and that is sayin' somethin'. I'll be there for ANYTHING that James Cameron directs. Good luck, Jim, ...even if you don't need it. Seeing a movie from you is like Christmas day from a child's perspective.

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    That's the coolest news of them all!

    by aigam

    I've been looking for it for a very long time. AVATAR is a wonderful story, definately worth to be done.

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Man, I got here too late

    by Novaman5000

    I can't find the link and I can't find it on google anywhere... NOOOOOOOOOO!

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    "Get the fuck off my set!!!"

    by kintar0

    Yeah, JDanielP, we know. You think Howie Long should play Superman and Harry should critique one of your "scripts" on this site. And it's "The Ultimates," not "Avengers Unlimited." It's "life-like?" Have you even read it? The art's great, sure, but the writing stinks. Go back to filming your Superman action figures on top of filing cabinets with construction paper.

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST

    by torpor_haze

    Yeah're braver than I would be. If I were in your place I'd be in my panic room right about now.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST

    "I found it using a couple obvious keywords and looking further

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Then why don't you post the link, shitbird?

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Hey, Talkbackers! Moviemack has another name: kintar0

    by JDanielP

    Either that or it's someone who writes for this site. Or I just made a good impression.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Oh, ...and "kintar0" (moviemack, whatever), ...

    by JDanielP

    The original series of "The Ultimates" was excellent, with the origin of Captain Ameerica.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST



    what is the jist of the Avatar/Josh Sully/Pandora story?

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Maybe He Didn't Post...

    by GrammarPolice

    Because of the legal notices being handed to those that do, shitbird (WTF kind of taunt is that?). Why don't you sack-up and post it once you've got it up, yourself. Unless, of course, you can't create webpages, which I think is the case.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Avatar was crap

    by DannyOcean01

    It ripped off Forever Peace, and had a dull New Age Hippy plot. Rubbish.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    JDanielP's just mad that his ideas are stupid...

    by kintar0

    and his corny, lame memory is short. I used to post as "Mr_Miracle" but I didn't post for a few months because I was in Asia and I forgot my password, hence the new screen name. The Ultimates was excellent, huh? So excellent you couldn't remember what it was called. I don't really want to get into this, but I was surprised when you brought up your thing about someone making a Kingdom Come film. You sure do love comic book artists drawing celebrities into comics. Thin-skinned little twerp.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Anything Please!

    by Norm3

    At this point I don't care what he does, just do something not about the Titanic or the Ocean!

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by CuervoJones

    Yes, Cameron is God

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Found it

    by Jon L. Ander

    And to hell with Cameron's legions of skull faced lawyers! Not that I don't love his films though. I found it as one continuous text file, gotta try and get it in a better format.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Found it

    by Jon L. Ander

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Been there, seen that.

    by Ingeld

    I read the summary of the scriptment. It is old wine in new skins. People are bad, killing the earth. We go to some other world and become the disease invading another living world. Ho, hum. I guess if you wrap it up in packaging by Cameron it will seem like something new.

  • Feb. 5, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else think...

    by one9deuce

    that the first half of Avatar reads a lot like Aliens? The protagonist is contacted by the higher-ups about going to some distant planet but the protagonist isn't interested, but changes their mind when they see that it can help them personally. The security force on Pandora seems very much like the Colonial Marines. The science division on Pandora sounds a lot like the colonists on LB-426. Fighting exotic creatures that have glass like teeth. I am curious as to when the idea for Avatar hit Cameron. If it was before he made Aliens he might have co-opted his own idea for the story of Aliens. Which worked out really well of course. I want to see a fully budgeted, James Cameron directed Avatar. I want to see a fully budgeted, James Cameron directed Battle Angel. He is the best and will soon be proving that fact.

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Gramma Police if you're talkin' to me..

    by torpor_haze

    It wasn't a taunt, relax dude..I was extending on your previous post..I was actually making a joke on me

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    kintar0 = Mr_Miricle = moviemack. How about one name?

    by JDanielP

    Is it any wonder why anyone would get your talkbacker names mixed up? But thanks for confirming the obvious. At least when I repeat myself, I do it under only one screen-name here at AICN, unlike you and you and you. Asia, huh? You should've stayed.

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST


    by smutpeddlar

    all i know is "Josh Sully is a hopeless guy in a hopeless world, a little guy whom the big machine has ground up and spit out." ..but the AVATAR PROGRAM..changes all that, just make this movie already!!!

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST


    by GrammarPolice

    Sorry, Torpor. Guess that legal notice has me jumpy : )

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 9:41 p.m. CST

    james cameron said

    by ag 721

    that he was going to make battle angel when more than a majority of the theaters had been properly equiped with 3d projecters.

  • Feb. 6, 2006, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Avater script needed

    by Jonza80

    I really need this script. I've tried eveywhere to look for it. Whoever has a copy, could you plz send me the script to my e-mail.

  • Feb. 7, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    To find avatar scriptment online:

    by Josh Sully

    Just google 'avatar zuleika sully', ignore the first site that comes up, and go about seven sites down to something called luminous beings. This seems to be offline but has it in its cache. Second, the Japanese site below that has it. Tell 'em James Cameron didn't send ya!

  • Feb. 9, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Cameron!You broke my heart one too many times.

    by bioforge

    And you did it again.

  • Feb. 12, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    GOT IT!!!!

    by misnomer

    thanks josh sully....