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Holy Sweet Puppet Poo! Genndy Tartakovsky to direct THE POWER OF THE DARK CRYSTAL!!!

Published at: Feb. 1, 2006, 12:58 a.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here... On the tip toppest level of holy shit coolosity is Genndy Tartakovsky directing THE POWER OF THE DARK CRYSTAL... with Brian Froud back to design new characters... brought to life through amazing puppets and CG backgrounds ("like SIN CITY" and the forthcoming 300). The fucking creator of SAMURAI JACK and the best STAR WARS anything, possibly ever. (Yeah yeah, but I don't know about you, but I have compulsively been watching the CLONE WARS part 1 & 2 dvds like animated crack for a very long time now. They've become comfort cinematic confections. I can't get enough. And I desperately have wanted Genndy to expand the scope of his immense cinematic prowess from Cartoon Network to the big screen. I never dreamt that he'd do so with one of my all time drooling faves. Production is supposed to begin late this summer, pre-production is already busy as hell... and how much do we all want to see those new Brian Froud character designs... like the Fire Girl that steals the Crystal to use it's power to help reignite the dying sun around their planet. WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? ReIgnite a Dying Sun with part of the Dark Crystal? Does Aughra have a rocket ship that runs on shroom power? This is absolutely one of the top projects in the world I'm now anticipating. Variety deserves the credit for the scoop. But I don't know about you, but this is one I'll be dream fasting about till it comes out!

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  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    Primero!

    by jodocus

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    argh!!!

    by methical

    so close.....

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Holy shit this could be amazing

    by Doc_McCoy

    A potential continuation of one of the most memorable movies of my lifetime? I hope they don't fuck it up.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:14 a.m. CST

    what about tartakovsky's astro boy?

    by Acne Scarface

    is that dead now? holy skeksis, anutha dark crystal!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Gelflings will save us all...

    by nomihs

    Coming soon to a cineplex near you. Jen and Kira are back to save us from the end of the world. I for one can't wait to see this in any form. The first one scarred me for life, but in a good way.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST

    The prophecy says Gelflings will destroy us.

    by NNNOOO!!!

    I'm still very curious to see how this turns out.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Wow, this news really makes my day

    by Bryan

    Even with lots of money and modern technology, I don't know if they can match the look of the original. But I am absolutely positive that with Tartakovsky directing it will be a much more involving story. Also, (just because it's 2006) I bet the Gelflings will be less Thunderbird-esque in their facial expressions. I can't wait to see this.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST

    If it weren't for the fact that puppets creep me the fuck ou

    by seppukudkurosawa

    I'd be ecstatic right now. I guess I'll just have to do what I did with the original when I go see this, which is take a handful of valium tablets, shove them down my throat, and then see the flick all drugged-up like a zoo animal (you didn't think they'd let those tigers roam around free, right?). The original was probably slightly worse than Labyrinth in the 80s puppet movie stakes, but it's still quite absorbing (except for the actual puppets *shudder). This is cool news though, Tartakovsky has much skill and this project should be the one to send him over-ground. Shame about the puppets though...

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:58 a.m. CST

    OH... MY... GOD...

    by robogeek.com

    Um... wow. My mind is seriously blown.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:58 a.m. CST

    It's "Aughra" not "Olga," fatboy...

    by kintar0

    Honestly.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    *LINK TO THE VARIETY ARTICLE...

    by robogeek.com

    http://tinyurl.com/b2laf

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    My friends will geek out when they hear this! :o

    by Kampbell-Kid

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Fft...

    by crazyeyezkillah

    we all know you don't have any friends, Kampbell-Kid.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:44 a.m. CST

    I'm just glad they're using fucking puppets...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...I'm sure the temptation to make this all CG was there but screw that.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:31 a.m. CST

    will there at least be some hot gelfling action this time?

    by newc0253

    the lack of gelfling pr0n was a serious flaw in the original.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:41 a.m. CST

    a DARK CRYSTAL sequel???

    by Shermdawg

    OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    So is Della Reese available to play you know who? :)

    by Shermdawg

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:44 a.m. CST

    I thought today was going to suck.

    by CoursinLarry

    This is by far the best and coolest news that has been on the site in quite some time.

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  • Feb. 1, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST

    Now that is cool news.

    by Psyclops

    My parents took me to see THE DARK CRYSTAL at the Ziegfeld theater in Manhattan when I was four. I barely remember the movie but I do recall coming face to face with a full size prop of a Garthim that was on display in the theater lobby. I nearly shit my pants when I saw that thing and I've had a paralyzing fear of cockroaches ever since. Yup, those were the good old days. Anyway, I think Genndy's an inspired choice to direct the sequel and I can't wait to see what he does with this material. I just hope they bring back Jen and Kira.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I need closure!

    by jollysleeve

    Damnit, Harry, you never closed that second parenthesis........ Anyway, I'm really looking forward to this, which is odd, since I thought the first was only so-so.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 4:47 a.m. CST

    clone wars

    by therightclique

    you're a complete fucking shithead if you think that clone wars is anywhere near being the best star wars anything ever. its not that cool. the art style completely sucks for star wars. the stories in volume two are pretty decent, but by no means great or even resembling star wars.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5 a.m. CST

    I lve in Dublin Ireland....

    by emeraldboy

    I just heard that reason that I wont see Brokeback mountain down my local cinema is because Newline have come up with an insane policy of restricting their films to only Three cinemas in Dublin. Which excludes the one that I got on a regular basis.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Yeah, therightclique

    by -sfx-

    Then you must agree that the "Droids" cartoon captures the Star Wars look and feel completely. Or they shoulda have it made with puppets? And Dark Crystal is teh GayZ0r omg lol

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:41 a.m. CST

    )

    by kiddae

    Close that parenthesis, for God's sake.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:52 a.m. CST

    You'll all burn in hell!!!

    by TheBoyFromUlster

    Yo emeraldboy, you think you have it tight? My cousin lives in Ballymena up here in the North and she can't see Brokeback Mountain as the local LMA's have kicked up a stink, and have got it barred from the local flea-pits on grounds that the film is indecent, imoral and basically if you watch it, you'll burn in hell! They are DUP councillors before you ask. Your not missing much anyway not seeing it, thought it was over rated and Munich wiped the floor with it.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Damn I need to rewatch Dark Crystal. I haven't seen it sinc

    by Chief Redcock

    It always looked like a good movie to me. And I always thought that the blonde female muppet was kind of hot...

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST

    by L. Duderino

    Woohoo! I love The Dark Crystal (did I mention the minor crush on Kira?) & Tartakalasnikov seems like a really talented guy. Now if they only dropped the CGI we'd have real classic Henson. I like Labyrinth also, but that could have been better without Bowie and his bizarre hairdo.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:26 a.m. CST

    by silverdog

    and yes, clone wars kicks any sw prequel ass from here to china. animated anankin was more interesting than "real" anakin.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I'd completely forgotten about The Dark Crystal!...

    by General_Mortimer

    ..and to think I could have bought that on DVD rather than Krull (which wasn't as cool as I remembered it being. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . .aaaaaand close parenthesis)

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:47 a.m. CST

    holy sweet puppy poo indeed

    by GingerTwit

    Does it have to be cgi backgrounds. Can't we have airbrushed paintings? Or composite images. oh well

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Recipe for success

    by Halski

    PUPPETS, accessible to both adults and children, FANTASY STYLE, no pop culture references (George Lucas, looking in your direction - keep at least one-hundred yards away from this production at all time, Mr. "Two-Headed Sportscaster, Ex-squeeze-me" Jackass), and keep the fucking CGI to a BARE MINIMUM. I've been watching the old Muppet series, and it stands the test of time, you know why? Because the puppeteers fucking BELIEVED in what they were doing. No, it's not "perfect" ... you don't ever believe Kermit is a "real frog," but you believe he's a living, breathing creature because the puppeteers LOVED what they were doing. And you know what else (listen up, Disney jack-offs), you can still watch the Muppet Show today because (a) they didn't let the whole thing devolve into a toy-selling machine, and (b) they didn't cram the whole fucking thing with cutesy pop culture references from the 70s (latest hit pop song or "hip" catch phrases of the day) to date the whole thing. IF YOU CAN'T CHANNEL THE SPIRIT AND GENIUS OF JIM HENSON, THEN LEAVE HIS PRODUCTS ALONE! (But God, I do wish they pull this off.)

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Hire Monica Potter to play Kira -- no money on puppet or CGI nec

    by DocPazuzu

    Seriously, though, this is very cool news indeed. Despite the torpidity of the original, it's still a favorite of mine. The craftsmanship and artistry apparent in every frame of that film is staggering. Truly a labor of love and a unique piece of cinema. The sequel already has my money, sight unseen. Cue the haters.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Puppets and CGI background?

    by Thumper2k1

    I don't understand the logic of it. Either do it entirely in CGI or don't use any. Isn't mixing puppets and CGI a totally pointless way of jacking up the production cost? I am just guessing here, I don't really know, but I assume it would.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Are you sure it's the movie?

    by Anna Valerious

    I heard that Toonami was going to run animated shorts based on the Gelflings before the destruction of the crystal.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Genndy and Craig McCracken

    by Banky the Hack

    Cartoon Network could possibly be the best station on TV if it'd just run shows by these two. Between Samurai Jack, Powerpuff Girls, and my new favorite, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, I don't think I'd ever change the channel. If you guys haven't checked out Foster's, you really should. It totally makes you feel like a kid again...it's got more imagination in a half hour than crap like Ed, Ed, and Eddy have had in several seasons. Being a big Henson fan, I can't thank them enough for picking someone like Genndy, and can't wait for this movie.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Tartakovsky...

    by dewijnboer

    Consider me out. Someone who makes a total crapfest like Samurai Jack is being let loose in the cinema? Whose meatwhistle has he been blowing to get that kind of money?

  • ... no need for the same characters to be involved at all, and frankly whats-his-name and his fey little friend were totally faggalicious; I'm not sure which was the top and which was the bottom. Still, the first is an amazing and unique film, and setting another one in the same universe is long overdue... just dont bother to include those poncy little bastards; we need a hero with some goddamn balls this time.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST

    very cool news indeed

    by amano

    loved Dark Crystal, loved Clone Wars, can't wait to see how this turns out

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Right you are about Clone Wars!

    by zinc_chameleon

    Way better than any of the prequels. Lucas made big booboos with his "tell don't show" approach to the Jedi. In Clone Wars we get to see why the Jedi are on top, and how each is unique. No wonder Anakin would want to join up. Better yet, they finally explain why the Jedi use light sabers! The Crystal that drives them can only be accessed by someone strong in the Force. Notice how in all the Star Wars movies, no regular schmoe ever tries using a light saber. Now we know. I expect the world of the Dark Crystal to be just as beautiful--I have the original art book signed by Jim Henson and Gary Kurtz--but now more meaningful and less derivative of Tolkien. Way cool.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:07 a.m. CST

    While I agree about the CLone Wars being superior to the prequel

    by Childe Roland

    ...I have to call "whoa" on that "no regular schmoe ever tries using a lightsaber" thing, zinc. What about when Han slices open the belly of the Tauntaun in Empire? He doesn't even believe in the Force...at least not at that point. As for the Dark Crystal news, that's fan-fucking-tastic! I loved the original. All I want to know now is how the happy fuck I missed a Skeksis on Farscape?!?! What season/episode was that?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Does it bug anyone else that the troopers in Clone Wars don'

    by rev_skarekroe

    So it's just me?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST

    20 years later, Dark Crystal is DULL - and Farscape Info...

    by Squashua

    I re-watched Dark Crystal, which I loved as a kid, and fell straight to sleep. Regarding Farscape, Skeksis did NOT appear in it. On the episode of FARSCAPE called "Out of Their Minds" there is a creature designed after the Skeksis. [ HALOSIANS ]With benefit of hindsight, Dave Elsey (creative supervisor) admits that he probably wouldn't attempt anything as complicated as the Halosians again on a television schedule. "We were asked to design very bird-like characters. We thought this would be a great time to pay homage to Jim Henson and The Dark Crystal, so we designed creatures like the Skeksis," he says, referring to the creatures in the 1983 movie. "They're actually not very similar -- if you put them together, they're a completely different size. I hope the Halosians never come back! The worst thing about them was that I was very pleased with them in the workshop. You can do something in the workshop that looks great and works fantastically well. However, the moment it's on set and you have people puppeteering things, and they're pointing a camera at it, and trying to get it into impossible positions that it can't function properly in, it suddenly doesn't look as good."

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    There was a chick I knew

    by Itchy

    back in college that looked just like a gelfling. I got her drunk and banged the living crap out of her ... then told her she looked like a gelfling. She freaked out about it and I tried to explain how cool that was. Didn't work - one time deal.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Staple sauce!!

    by Randall Flagg

    I guess this means no animated Dark Tower for HBO. Blah. I had hopes for mr. Tartakovsky.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST

    That's the greatest thing I ever heard!

    by Horseflesh

    Dark Crystal was the first DVD I ever bought. Go Genndy Go! This is the biggest glimmer of hope we've had yet that this movie is going to live up to the standard.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Sherm....I knew I wasn't the only one

    by MJAYACE

    Who every time saw Della Reese on "Touched By an Angel" thought Dark Crystal!.... I was laughing my ass off when I read your post.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Good choice, but in lieu of Frank Oz, I still think Julie Taymor

    by Declan_Swartz

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0853380/

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Ummm Zinc.........

    by Doc_Strange

    A regular schmoe by the name of Han Solo used Luke's saber in ESB. As for Clone Wars, the series was good, though the second series paled in comparison to the first. Also I never quite liked the oversimplified cartoony style they used for both seasons.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Henson's new digital puppetry technique

    by Declan_Swartz

    Life After the Muppets http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.02/play.html?pg=4

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I'd actually rather have a Labyrinth sequel.

    by jollysleeve

    And I don't mean that in a hip post-ironic way. I mean I really would love nothing better than to walk into a multi-plex and be surprised with a trailer to Labyrinth II, starring Jennifer Connelly, only this time playing the mother of the kidnapped child. But I guess a Dark Crystal II is still kind of neat.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Is he ever gonna finish off Samurai Jack?

    by cromulent

    Like a sweet 2 hour straight to DVD movie, cuz fuck CN and all their little wizards.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Henson's new digital technique reminds of Cartoon Network&#3

    by Declan_Swartz

    http://www.stuartink.com/MOXY/moxycomics.html

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST

    All that info on Henson's fantasy sequels and prequels-

    by Anna Valerious

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Shoot, here's the link-

    by Anna Valerious

    http://muppetnewsflash.blogspot.com/2005_07_01_muppetnewsflash_archive.html Interesting thing to note is that Toby is supposed to be about 13 in the manga...even though he's about 20 as of now. Someone screwed up there...

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    rev_skarekroe

    by oh_riginal

    Nope, I also found it distracting to not hear his voice for the clones in the Clone Wars cartoons. I mean, the guy supplied the voice for clones in countless video games! He also put the voice behind Jango Fett in the game where he was the main character. He even replaced Boba Fett's voice in the Empire Strikes Back DVD!! I'm sure he could have taken a weekend to do the voices for the cartoons. What gives?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Hmmmmmm........

    by Capt. Blackadder

    could Labyrinth 2 be in the works?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    This is great news.

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez

    Maybe we can get him to do a Farscape cartoon next. That would be the shit.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Pardon my Farscape slip, I would have known that, if the dvd&#39

    by Shermdawg

    And yes, I know about the "Starburst", and it's still too high. If it ain't close to fifty for a complete season, no matter what it is, no matter how good it is, I'm not buying it. That includes Emmanualle in Space!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I wish they'd do something Farscape wise, cause seeing

    by Shermdawg

    Telq, Telc, Tillq, Whatever the fuck his name is, is nothing more than a fucking ripoff of Worf. Nuff said. Nuff said.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    TO HELL WIH SMALLVILLE......FARSCAPE WILL OWN YOUR ASS!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Well, not now, cause it's deader than Buff...er, Ang...er, Firefl...um, hell any of Joss' shows.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Who gives a shit about this? The original was alright, better w

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    "Han used a lightsaber to cut open a tauntaun..."

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Really? Damnitall, I thought he used his dick which, according to Ally McSolo, does indeed glow blue (like his balls). Consider my reality shattered.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I found this talkback! I posted here! Gelfling! Pleaaaassse?

    by oisin5199

    Can't wait for the sequel! Hope they maintain the mystical weirdness. Long live the puppets! I wish there were more Henson creature shop productions. They're the Froudiest!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST

    ambivalence

    by The_Deathticle

    First of all, Harry, the Clone Wars cartoons are "the best STAR WARS anything, possibly ever" ???? Are you on crack? You could have qualified that by limiting it to "better than the prequels" or something and that would've at least been understandable. Personally, I don't understand all the love for Clone Wars. It was okay, but ultimately ---- YAWN. Star Wars is the OT. As for The Dark Crystal news, there is a part of me that hopes for coolness, because this kind of fantasy film has been absent for a long time. Those of us who grew up in the 70's and 80's had it good. Sci-Fi and Fantasy out the ass. Shit, you think any studio would have the balls to make "Clash of the Titans" these days? However, there is another part of me that is pretty sure they're just going to ass it all up. And speaking of "ass".... Any chance they'll replace Kira with Keyra?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    This has the potential to be THE COOLEST THING EVER

    by NivekJ

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Holy

    by blackwood

    crap. That's cool.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, noon CST

    Really great news...yes!!!

    by vinceklortho

    Did anybody get freaked out in Dark Crystal when they had a shot of the gelfling puppet and then show a boy running(as the gelfling?) That always scared me as a kid.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    MY CAT'S NAME IS FIZZGIG!!

    by FleshMachine

    so there.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Jesus, Harry, get a fucking editor

    by la_sith

    If you start a paranthetical, end it! I'm not being nitpicky. This is just something that has been going on for years now. How do we take you seriously if you still can't use proper grammar?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one a little nervous about this news?

    by The_Bat

    AS much as I love the Dark Crystal, do we really need a sequel? Wouldn't people want to see Jim Henson studios and Fround create whole new Fantasy and not monoploize on film almost twenty years old? The other day people were bitching about too many sequels, however nobody is nervous about making a new film based on a true classic that does not need expansion. I hope this works but I was hoping Henson Studios would be a last vestage of creativity. MirrorMAsk was not perfect but it was highly original.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Just watched Dark Crystal over the weekend

    by slone13

    Still a classic. In this day of heavy CG, it felt especially fresh and original. I can't even begin to imagine the sets for that movie. This is great news.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Something cooler...

    by The_Bat

    Bloody Disgusting says that Marlyn Manson is directing and starring in a film called Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Caroll. He will Carrol and Angelina Jolie is in talks to play the red queen. Cool.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST

    No way

    by drjohnnyfever

    This movie is so going to bomb, no one will see it, and it will be a featured selection in the William Shatner DVD Club.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    the dark crystal blows

    by Magnethead

    muahahaha finally i get to be a fan-bastard and shit in someone elses cheerios. Do not get me wrong the production level on the movie was beautiful, but the pacing was slow as shit, and bored the hell out of me. I Hope this new one will be better. It will definetly be eye candy. aughra, Olga, How about Oprah?

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Damn...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...at times like this I really miss Ringbearer9. You just know he would have felt compelled to write an online dissertation as to why this movie will suck, weaving in enough bizarre opinions to provoke outrage from every single talkbacker. Except moviemack and Indiana Clones.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Aaaaah: GARTHIM-induced pant-shitting memories abound . . .

    by ol' painless

    Like a lot of TB'ers I saw this movie as a young dude. A suprisingly vicious and at times distressing movie for one aimed at the children . . . and its the children I worry about . . . :). Its like ol' Jim Henson saved up all his dark memories he had to supress for the Muppets, and them vomited the whole load into the Dark Crystal. And I for one thank him for it. I certainly don't agree that the Labyrinth needs a sequel: the world does NOT need David Bowie wearing those camel-toe inducing pants EVER AGAIN.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Please no...

    by Durendal

    The Dark Crystal is one of my favorite films, but for the love of God, LEAVE IT ALONE! No sequel is ever going to match the original, and Jim himself said there should never be a sequel/prequel. He wanted it to stand alone. The JHC has vigorously defended that up until recently. They wouldn't even let books be published that take place in the same universe. Now they're blitzing the franchise once the DVDs sold like hotcakes. Sequel, animated series, merchandising...stinks of a cash grab to me. Why not have Frank Oz direct it, for God's sake? Oh well. It's comforting to know that Froud is back, but the sequel concept sounds like a crappy, hackneyed attempt to bring back the original characters, and if you read up on the mythology, wouldn't work anyway! Screw the JHC for this. Fuck 'em all for whoring out daddy's genius for a quick buck. The sequel may be passable, but there's no possible way it'll ever measure up to the original, and they're disrespecting Jim's wishes. AAAARRRGGGHH!!!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Tartakovsky is overrated. They should have gotten Terry Jones to

    by Proman1984

    Not only did he write the original Labyrinth. He is also a great director in his own right.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Aaaaaah: Ringbearer9 Bat-wing-span-in-Kong memories abound, Docp

    by ol' painless

    I agree: I miss Ringbearer9 too. It will never forget his 2-page disserations in a TB on the illogical minutiae of KONG, ("it was SO TOTALLY BOGUS, because it is a scientific impossibility that you can grab a giant bat by its wings and expect it to fly!") and the subsqeuent mutual shit-flinging that followed for days. Ringbearer9 reminds us that the world needs crazy people to make things fun! And more to the point, crazy people who fail to realise they are crazy, and keep call YOU crazy until you are affected by their craziness.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    TRIAL BY STONE!

    by JustinSane

    I too saw The Dark Crystal in the theater at the tender age of six, and was freaked out for years by the stripping of the Chamberlain. What's more disturbing than a naked Skesis (Skeksi?)? Nothing like a little puppet action to get my rump into a cinema seat! BRING IT ON, HENSON!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    Puppets and stewmeat... I mean CG

    by Billy Goat

    So, this is going to be like Disney's "Book of Pooh" and PBS's "It's a Big Big World"? Where, instead of hiding puppeteers under the floor, they'll be walking around in full view with puppets attached to them, then the puppeteers will be digitally erased, leaving nothing but puppets walking around by themselves? Coooooooooooool. I've been saying for years, this is the perfect alternative to CG creatures... And by the way, there WAS brief gelfling nudity in the first one... not that I pay attention to such things... um... yeah.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    "for the love of God, LEAVE IT ALONE!"

    by Engelhast

    I agree but it is only out of my fear that they fuck up the sequel. I am also am kinda excited to see what they do with it though.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Why not get Frank Oz to direct it? Two words.

    by oisin5199

    Stepford Wives. Oz was talented as a puppet performer, but no way is he near the creative talent that's required for a film like this.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    I know what you mean, Doc...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I can just see it now, Ringbearer9 would hate the concept of a Dark Crystal sequel. "Makes me want to take a shower, too dirty." he would say. He would jump all over your Monica Potter casting recommendation (spot-on btw): "Can't they style her hair better when she's running through the jungle?". Or, God forbid they use the COLOR OF FIRE FOR FIRE in the movie. Perhaps, he would save the best for last..."The Crystal is not dark enough! How lame! Who directed this movie? Peter Jackson?!". Ringodoodles. How I nearly miss you...

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    SWEET MERCIFUL TITTYFUCKING CHRIST ON A STICK AND A CRAPPER!

    by Uncle_Les

    This news is awesome! Peace Out.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Now Moviemack on the other hand...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    ...would declare this movie news as pathetic and typical of "Generation Dumbass". He would then certainly say that at least it would be better than "Batman Begins". And of course, I would have to laugh in his virtual AICN face.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The only time that I saw "The Dark Crystal"...

    by MisterE

    The only time that I saw "The Dark Crystal," I was on four hits of acid and the movie was playing on a hacked satellite system with the colours inverted and the sound all distorted. A fucking trip, it was.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    I'd be interested in a sequel

    by chrth

    You know, I haven't seen it in awhile, since before I saw the Matrix films. Perhaps there needs to be a revisit. (Compare and contrast Neo and Smith merging to the Old Big-Nosed Dudes and the Skeksis)

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    That was probably 2 hits of acid less that Jim Henson took when

    by ol' painless

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Dee Dee slips into the lab and steals the crystal, which results

    by Capt. Murphy

    ...been there, dont that.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Deathticle...

    by Anna Valerious

    There has been rumors of a "Clash of the Titans" remake...and if I'm so lucky, they'd have Will Kemp as Perseus. I still want Sommers to get going on "Flash Gordon", but I also want the sequel to "Willow" to be made. I unfortunately forgot the title, but it's about a grown up Elora Danan on a quest of her own.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST

    How can I forget a "Terror Train" remake?!

    by Anna Valerious

    They'd prolly have Eliza Dushuku in the Jamie Lee Curtis role, but if they have Criss Angel as the magician (Originally played by David Copperfield) then I'm seeing it.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Fraggle Rock the movie in 2007

    by pockybot

    Don't forget Jim Henson company is also at work on prepping Fraggle rock the movie for 2007. Between that, Dark crystal 2, Transformers, Ninja Turtles, Spiderman 3, BAtman Begins 2, and Battle Angel...I'd say 2007 is shaping up quite nicely.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Ain't It Cool News?

    by young1

    Yes, it is. Can't wait to see this.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Maybe they'll put in a good story this time...

    by jimmy_009

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:03 p.m. CST

    pickin the nit

    by ashhole

    in the novels that follow ROTJ in the chronology of the SW universe, han solo does indeed become a jedi. so his use of luke's saber in ESB would be the first manifestation of his power, which would be developed later. for the record : trilogy > clone wars > prequels. also, i'm tired of people bashing genndy's animation style. just last week in the boondocks TB, people were bashing aaron macgruder for being derivitive of peanuts & anime, which is legitimate. genndy has a truly original style and doesn't get enough credit for it. his characters and backgrounds are minimalist, clean, and angular, in a word - modern. if you don't like it, that's cool, but don't discount the whole thing because you don't like the look. clone wars is a well-written series and so is samurai jack. creative storytelling should praised in all forms, even if the visual style makes your panties twist.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    A duck's quack has no echo...

    by Childe Roland

    ...but my Han Solo/lightsaber comment does, thanks to Doc_Strange. And the she-Gelfling was hella sexy. Pretty much defined my "type" in perpetuity. Minus the wings and the freaky ears, of course.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    ashhole.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    What the bloody fuck are you talking about? Han Solo never became a Jedi anywhere at anytime except for some cocksucking fanboy's fanfic.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else feel like AICN is dying?

    by odysseus

    I feel like the once abundant cool news stories are few and far between -- escpecially exclusives.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Yet here you are talking back, odysseus.

    by Nice Marmot

    Just like yesterday. And tomorrow. And Friday . . . Back to the topic at hand, I can only hope that this is done right. Was hoping Genndy's first theatrical release would be an original creation of his. Oh well. Fingers crossed. . .

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    OMFG This is AWESOME

    by Atomica

    Dark Crystal is one of my favorite movies ever. Genndy is a modern Da Vinic in Animation. GAWD this will rule all.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST

    That's not the point, Nice.

    by odysseus

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Han Solo: Jedi

    by zinc_chameleon

    Sorry for riling things up. Thanks for that point, Childe Roland. I do remember browsing through that selection at Chapters a few years ago. The point I was trying to make is that the first Clone Wars makes a *very* big deal about the Crystal that drives that Light Sabers, so much so that the Number One and Two female Jedi risk life and limb to protect its source, and only Yoda is powerful enough to toss off the few tons of rock they're buried in. So naturally I began to think: "Finally, some real Jedi back story that counts."

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

    by Little Beavis

    sounds yummy, Harry; just hope they don't fuck it up bad so I have to kick your ass :)

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Light Sabres And The Force

    by Barron34

    I always figured that the reason why only Jedi used Light Sabres was that it took mastery of the Force to use the weapon effectively. Jedi Knights are basically adept at telekinesis, and the high level of acrobatic skill and the TK that they learn are needed to use a Light Sabre effectively in combat without killing oneself accidently. A non-Force adept would basically be too clumsy to wield the weapon in any effective manner. Only a trained Jedi can use a Light Sabre to deflect blaster shots and to get in close to their enemy. Sure, a guy like Han Solo could use one to cut open a Taun-Taun, but if he tried to use a Light Sabre in combat, he would lack the Jedi skill and finesse to make the weapon effective, and would only end up putting himself in danger. Therefore, non-Jedi like Han are better off using blasters, whereas only a Jedi or a Sith can gain enough mastery to effectively use a Light Sabre without getting themself killed in the process. Also, on a related geeky, Star Wars fictional internal logic note, I figure that the reason why a character like Qui-Gonn Jinn (sp?) can be killed by a Light Sabre without being disintegrated is perhaps due to the fact that a Jedi Master can develop a high level of defense via the Force, so that their bodies can survive being struck by a blaster shot, or in this case, a Light Sabre, without sustaining as much damage as a non-Force Master would. In other words, to some Force Masters who have built up their own capacity for physical defense, the body of the Master in question can survive damage than would kill or disintegrate lesser mortals. The Light Sabre wounds that Qui-Gonn sustained ultimately were enough to kill him, but were not enough to disintegrate his body, whereas a non-Force Master might be wholly disintegrated by such a blow. And, before others point out how Obi-Wan was disintegrated in the first film, I would say that since he was choosing to be killed, he "chose" to be wholly disintegrated. In fact, I would speculate that Obi-Wan was deliberately dying to use an advanced Jedi technique to transfer themselves effectively to the Force's spirit realm by submitting voluntarily to a physical death. This technique is apparently secret and known only to advanced Jedi Masters, as can be seen by Obi-Wan's surprised reaction to hearing Qui-Gonn's disembodied voice at the end of Revenge of the Sith. Sith deny the spiritual nature of the after-life and try to keep themsleves alive artificially by technological means (witness Vader's descent into becoming an inhuman cyborg), whereas Jedi are more in tune with the spirit and the non-corporeal after-life, and so advanced Jedi Masters do not fear natural death, and in fact have a mastery over the spiritual after-life that the Sith do not seem to have. Thus, Obi-Wan can confidently submit to bodily death at Vader's hands with the knowledge he has that as a Jedi Master he will become even more powerful in the afterlife. This is all in keeping with the precept that Jedi tend to use their skill with the Force more for defense and knowledge, whereas the Sith are more familiar with the Dark Side, and so with the more violent, and ultimately self-destructive aspects of the Force.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Samurai Jack

    by Barron34

    Is it me, or doesn't Samurai Jack seem to superficially resemble a cartoony version of Frank Miller's old graphic novel "Ronin"? Just an observation.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Are Brian Henson and George Lucas producing?!?!?

    by Monkey_King

    Lucas has been a logn time "friend of the family" to Brian and Co. since he worked with his late father on the first CRYSTAL and LABRYINTH(plus I'm sure old "Uncle George" came to the rescue, financially, to give the great FARSCAPE the proper send-off it received). Lucas has always been a huge supporter of Brian and the whole Farscape saga.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Lemmiwinks, read Squashua's post entitled:"20 years later, D

    by Shermdawg

    For your answers.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:40 p.m. CST

    Disintegrated? WTF are you TALKING about?

    by ZeroCorpse

    There's no disintegration! Lightsabers don't disintegrate people! ARGGGH!!! `And Solo didn't become a Jedi in the later stories. He becomes a father, a drunk, a reformed drunk, and a retired war veteran. I don't recall reading anything from the days following the Battle of Endor to the later years of the New Jedi Order that describes Han becoming a Jedi. He has no Force talent. He's low on midichlorians. Whatever. Either way, he just picked up the lightsaber, turned it on, cut a slit in a dead animal, and turned it off. NO SKILL REQUIRED. If you know how to use a welding torch (and he does) you know how to cut an inanimate object with a lightsaber.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:43 p.m. CST

    WOWY-WOW-WOW....WOW!!!

    by trysop

    That's all I can say. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great news! I had to read the headline like 4X 'cause I thought I waz see'n things!!!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST

    LemmiWinks

    by Barron34

    Gee, thanks for the condescension. Of course Lucas has never expanded on any such ideas. His fictional logic is purely slap-dash. I didn't write the above as a geek wishlist. Ultimately, I could care less. I am frankly not that much of a Star Wars fan. What I AM is an aspiring writer, and as a science-fiction writer, I am always interested in trying to develop an internally consistent logic to anything that I write, as well as in applying the same mindset to anything I read or see by other writers. This includes Star Wars. I wrote the above post in a few minutes simply as an exercise, in response to what some other fans had been suggesting about the internal consistency (or lack thereof) in the Star Wars fictional "world". *****The fact of the matter is that I ultimately could care less about the internal consistency of Star Wars, per se. I was a fan as a kid, and saw the (bad) prequels mostly as a matter of form. I am frankly not that invested in the Star Wars mythology. I enjoyed the first three movies. As a writer, I just like trying to apply some logic to any kind of fiction, especially science-fiction and other genre fiction. *****As for your point that Light Sabres are hypothetically "just weapons", that just doesn't jibe with what is repeatedly implied throughout most of the Star Wars stories: that only trained Jedi can use them effectively. My point is that if some untrained clown picked one up, he or she is likely to end up clipping themselves with the naked blade and end up cutting something off or disintegrating themselves. On the other hand, a Jedi has some real protection against harming themselves due to their Force abilities/ telekinesis, whatever. Further, someone who doesn't have telekinesis and flying mystical acrobatic abilities like a Jedi (or a Sith) is really going to be ineffective with a light sabre against anyone with a blaster. This is just as someone with a sword today is pretty much useless against someone with a gun, unless you are in close and have the drop on the gunman. My argument is that Jedi abilities are what elevates a light sabre from a useless antique to an effective weapon in a fictional world where blasters exist. *****So, this is a feasible pseudo-explanation as to why only Jedi can properly use Light Sabres in the Star Wars fictional world. Since I like science fiction with some internal consistency, this sort of explanation appeals to me. If that is too geeky for you, sorry. It is something that amuses me in my spare time, like any hobby.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Hell Yeah

    by eclipsedman

    I will make sure I have some shrooms on hand for the sequel. The Dark Crystal was made for tripping, I have seen the original on shrooms and acid a couple times. Thats why some of the scenes are so slow, so you can take everything in visually.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Disintegration?

    by Barron34

    What do you call what happens to Obi-Wan in the first Star Wars film (A New Hope)? What, did he evaporate? He frikkin' disintegrated, for lack of a better term. Vader hit him with a light sabre, Obi-Wan was gone, except for the remnants of his robe. Also, when Obi-Wan hits an alien with his light sabre in the Cantina earlier in the same movie, there is nothing left of the alien except part of his arm. That looks like disintegration to me. What would you call it? ****Also, if you are addressing your Han Solo comments to me, don't bother: I agree with you. Han Solo has no "Force ability" or whatever you would call it. I haven't read any of the novels, so I couldn't comment on any of the other stuff you point out. As far as using a light sabre as a cutting tool: yes, of course. Anyone can use something like that as a cutting tool. That is a far cry from using a light sabre as a weapon that is effective against blasters. My point is that only a Jedi has the skill to use the light sabre as an effective weapon. This is due to their telekinesis and acrobatic abilities. If you are a normal guy, even a talented normal guy like Han Solo, a light sabre isn't going to do you much good against a blaster unless you have the Force talents that a Jedi does.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks Guys! That was great..

    by zinc_chameleon

    Now this is what I call true geek debate. Where else but on AICN would we argue whether or not Han Solo has what it takes to be a Jedi. I haven't had this much fun since I innocently suggested that Dejah Thoris would look better with four breasts!

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Disintegration? Nope.

    by Durendal

    Ponda Baba's arm got hacked off in the Cantina. You couldn't see whether he was gone or just on the floor nearby. Obi Wan distintigrated, I suppose, because he gave himself up and became one with the force. Beats me why. Vader didn't disintegrate when Luke cut his hand off, and neither did Darth Maul when he got hacked in half. Neither did Anakin or Dooku, both of whom got the wrong end of it. They cut and slash like a white hot blade. They don't annihilate. Okay, that's enough fanboyism for now.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Disintegration? Nope.

    by Durendal

    Ponda Baba's arm got hacked off in the Cantina. You couldn't see whether he was gone or just on the floor nearby. Obi Wan distintigrated, I suppose, because he gave himself up and became one with the force. Beats me why. Vader didn't disintegrate when Luke cut his hand off, and neither did Darth Maul when he got hacked in half. Neither did Anakin or Dooku, both of whom got the wrong end of it. They cut and slash like a white hot blade. They don't annihilate. Okay, that's enough fanboyism for now.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I'll watch anything that man and his team create

    by angrykirby.tk

    even like gay porn a carrot top special. He would find a way to make it awesome

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I thought remakes and sequels were supposed to be a bad idea.

    by Barry Egan

    But itf it's a sequel to a property nobody but fanboys would possibly want to see it must be OK.

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Disintegration Revisionism

    by Barron34

    Durendal--I basically agree with the spirit of what your post says, but I really think that it was something like revisionism on Lucas' part. In other words, I think that in the original movie, it was implied that a direct strike from a light sabre would likely disintegrate much of a large mass like a body. The Cantina scene implied visually that there was nothing left of the alien (Ponda Baba?) but a piece of its arm. The arm was shown, and nothing else. This is reinforced later by Obi-Wan's "disintegration" (whatever you might call it). If Obi-Wan's death was not normal, I do not think Vader would have acted in the way that he did (ie, that he had simply killed Obi-Wan via the normal operation of a light sabre). I think that Lucas altered this later to make the light sabre less devastating for story purposes. He needed for Luke to lose just his hand in Empire, and so on. I think that this sort of uncertainty and running revisionism is characteristic of Lucas' Star Wars story throughout. It is clear that Lucas made up a lot as he went, and he at least partially contradicts himself in many places and on many points. I think the first film implies that a direct blow can disintegrate a body or mass, while later films contradict this. There are ways of rationalizing this, but ultimately it is perhaps just that the creator (Lucas) was not clear on this point himself, and revised the matter based upon the needs of his story later...

  • Feb. 1, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Brodester

    by Barron34

    Those are good questions...I have no immediate answers, but they do point to certain inconsistencies in the fabric of Lucas' stories...Its late, though, so I am signing off. Maybe I will check this thread tomorrow to see if anyone else can provide some sort of logical answer... Star Wars is such an endless source of geek trivia, though, that a thread like this could go on indefinitely....

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Tartakovsky playing in Lucas's Universe

    by Lavaman

    Funny how when George Lucas picked Tartakovsky to Animate the Clone Wars Series, everybody on this Site was pissed off, bashing Lucas for his decision. Now all of a sudden Tartakovsky is being hailed a genius here.

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Barron34, you're on crack.

    by DocPazuzu

    If disintegration was the usual effect when killing someone, why did Vader look so surprised when Obi-Wan disappeared in ANH? Why was he feeling Obi-Wan's empty cloak with his foot? To see if he was still hiding in there somewhere? To make sure he didn't shrink? Was he wiping bantha poodoo from his boot? And just how the hell did you reach the conclusion that the cantina oaf was disintegrated by the saber? How does a cleanly cut limb on the floor imply that its owner was vaporized? Just because they don't show him passed out or clutching his stump in shock afterwards? Obi-Wan did indeed - for want of a better word - "disintegrate" when struck by Vader, but it was a voluntary transformation which allowed him to become a Force ghost - a skill which Dark Side adherents lacked. Your conclusions have no merit at all.

  • Harry is the same person who originally liked The Phantom Menace Script. He also saw Attack Of The Clones early, and gushed over it. He only changed his mind and jumped back and forth on the Lucas hating Bandwagon, when the Critics and most people on this Site hated them.

  • Tartakovsky is good at making the exact kind of world that the original movie was made of. Cliche characters/story and textured detailed settings with just enough twist to still be entertaining and original. I was dismissive of a sequel to this movie but I have every faith in everything that this man does!

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 3:23 a.m. CST

    The answer to Brodester's force spirit question

    by Bryan

    (I can't believe I'm the one answering this question.) Unless I misunderstand, you're asking why Obi Wan and Yoda's bodies disappeared when they died, but not Qui Gon's, and someone else chalked it up to Lucas being inconsistent. But you're both forgetting the scene right at the end of Episode 3 that explains this. I don't remember the exact dialogue but basically Yoda tells Obi Wan that while he is secluded on Tatooine he has some training to do with Qui Gon's force ghost. This is to explain that the force ghosts were invented by Qui Gon. I'm not saying it's not silly, but it is clearly explained in the movie. p.s. This Tartakovsky doing Dark Crystal sequel thing is the most exciting thing I've heard in a long time. I think now the only movie I'm more looking forward to is the Spike Jonze Where the Wild Things Are.

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Was he wiping bantha poodoo from his boot?

    by GingerTwit

    Fuck, that made me laugh so hard I almost fell out of my chair.

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Good Lord

    by screamster

    I just got Dark Crystal on DVD the other day. For it's time, this was an awesome movie. Can't wait to see a sequel. Only waited like 2 millions years for it... :P

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Lightsaber "inconsistancies"

    by DocPazuzu

    There are none. The whole point of showing the severed arm in the cantina was, besides giving us a glimpse of Obi-Wan's badassedness, to establish that a lightsaber is indeed a cutting weapon, so that Obi-Wan's death would register with the viewer as being peculiar as he suffered it at the business end of a weapon the effect of which had already been established.

  • Feb. 2, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    More Disintegration

    by Barron34

    DocPazuzu's explanations as to why apparent inconsistencies in the effects of light sabres are not actual inconsistentcies at all are reasonable enough, but my first impressions when I saw the films as a youth are ones that persist, especially regarding Obi-Wan's death scene. And no, I am not on crack, just lots of caffeine. As far as my points having "no merit", I did not invent this controversy, but read about the same points from other fans who expressed similar ideas about light sabres and disintegration when Qui-Gonn did not himself "disintegrate" in that prequels death scene of his. Many other fans seemed to feel that Darth Maul's death was also weird, in that he was both cut in half AND apparently concious while his two halves fell down a pit. I have hardly invented the idea of inconsistency in Star Wars. The apparent inconsistencies are already there in the films, and plenty of others have commented on them before I have. I was just trying to create some feasible fictional reason to describe some apparent inconsistencies as an exercise, as I have said. Ultimately, I don't care much whether the operations of light sabres in the Star Wars universe are consistent or not. Writing a few posts about something like this is akin to doing a crossword puzzle to me. Whether I get every word right or not doesn't really matter to me, so long as I am occupied and minimally entertained. I didn't realize that some people would get their panties in a bunch about it. *****I also basically agree with Lemmiwinks point that Lucas essentially does not really know what he is doing regarding consistency in his stories, especially after the prequels. In fact, I never disagreed with that point. Quite the opposite. My attempts at rationalizing what I saw to be inconsistencies in Lucas' story were not defenses of his work; they were attempts to create some sort of feasible explanation for those apparent inconsistencies and to shore up what seemed to be holes in his stories. I'm not an apologist for Lucas, and I really do not care that much. As I have said, I (mostly) liked the original movies, and I (mostly) did not like the prequels. I am not one of those fans who live and die by Star Wars,a lthough I have certainly been influenced by the original films. No one interested in science fiction, movies, or popular culture can really escape having an opinion on Star Wars.***** I do hold that these seeming inconsistencies appeared relatively early in the film series, but were most seriously exacerbated in the prequels. For example, even as a kid watching the original trilogy, I was never convinced that Lucas planned that Luke and Leia were siblings from day one. If he had, it seemed to me he would have left out early scenes that implied sexual tension between the two, and which are a bit disconcerting to watch in retrospect after one has learned of their sibling relationship. Maybe I am wrong about that one too, but it is a reaction I have seen amongst many other viewers. Perhaps there is something in all of the Star Wars fan lore to address this, but again, I have not read any of the novels, for example, and I am not one of those fans who knows all of the background details, such as those who know the names of every minor character. In any case, I still feel that the light sabre issue has at least the appearance of inconsistency, but Pazuzu's explanation makes some sense. Regardless, I see no reason why a cutting weapon that is presumably like a laser in some way could not also result in the destruction of a large mass like a body if there was a direct hit. The two effects are not neccessarily contradictory.*****By the way, I AM putting my energies into my own writing, amongst other things (but, gee, thanks for the helpful advice!). I often come to AICN to unwind from writing, in fact, and rarely get into anything as odd as arguments over Star Wars arcana. My comments usually do not spark any sort of controversy, but it seems that Star Wars is often a sore spot for some fans, for whatever reason. Oh, well.***** (And, yes, Disintegration IS the Cure's best album).

  • Oh that's right, Clone Wars had an actual storyline without a gajillion plot-holes, stilted dialogue, and retarded retcons at any given turn. No wonder you refuse to compare it with the movies. (Which, as an actual story SUCKED worse than yer momma on dollar blowjob night ya shithead.)

  • Feb. 3, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Jedis disappear when they die, regardless of how?

    by Capt. Murphy

    Yoda disappeared, Obi Wan disappeared, Darth Vader was burned on an alter, did he not disappear because he was evil? But then, he wasn't evil when he died, he was good again...maybe. Who can say for sure, George Bush might even do something nice on his death bed...okay, maybe not. Did Mace windu disappear before he hit the ground when he flew out of the window? Who else...oh, every other Jedi except Yoda and Obi Wan, did they disappear when they were struck down by a clone army gone horribly wrong? Oh wait, I know: who cares? If you're only finding one inconsistency in the Star Wars bi-Trilogy, then you're not trying very hard...try harder. How come when Obi Wan picks up Anakin's light saber in the lava pit place, it was a red beam, but when he gives it to Luke it's a blue beam? How did Yoda make his lightsaber shorter than the rest of the lightsabers, and why? Does the high ground really offer that much of an advantage, or was it just a cheap plot point so that the fight eventually ended? Jar Jar...why? Natalie Portman can show her boobies in some movie that I have no interest in ever watching, but not in Star Wars, where every geek and his bi-mom want to see them? See my problems?

  • Feb. 4, 2006, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Capt. Murphy

    by DocPazuzu

    Actually, Vader's saber in ROTS was blue.