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Disney To Acquire Pixar!!

I am – Hercules.

Is true! Disney will now buy itself the most successful film company on the planet, and Steve Jobs will now become Disney’s biggest stockholder.

From the business wire:

BURBANK, Calif. & EMERYVILLE, Calif.Jan. 24, 2006--The Walt Disney Company (NYSE: DIS):

-- Ed Catmull Named President of the Combined Pixar and Disney

Animation Studios and John Lasseter Named Chief Creative

Officer; Steve Jobs to Join Disney's Board of Directors

-- Disney Increases Stock Repurchase Authorization

Furthering its strategy of delivering outstanding creative content, Robert A. Iger, President and Chief Executive Officer of The Walt Disney Company (NYSE: DIS), announced today that Disney has agreed to acquire computer animation leader Pixar (NASDAQ: PIXR) in an all-stock transaction, expected to be completed by this summer. Under terms of the agreement, 2.3 Disney shares will be issued for each Pixar share. Based on Pixar's fully diluted shares outstanding, the transaction value is $7.4 billion ($6.3 billion net of Pixar's cash of just over $1 billion)(a).

This acquisition combines Pixar's preeminent creative and technological resources with Disney's unparalleled portfolio of world-class family entertainment, characters, theme parks and other franchises, resulting in vast potential for new landmark creative output and technological innovation that can fuel future growth across Disney's businesses. Garnering an impressive 20 Academy Awards, Pixar's creative team and global box office success have made it a leader in quality family entertainment through incomparable storytelling abilities, creative vision and innovative technical artistry.

"With this transaction, we welcome and embrace Pixar's unique culture, which for two decades, has fostered some of the most innovative and successful films in history. The talented Pixar team has delivered outstanding animation coupled with compelling stories and enduring characters that have captivated audiences of all ages worldwide and redefined the genre by setting a new standard of excellence," Iger said. "The addition of Pixar significantly enhances Disney animation, which is a critical creative engine for driving growth across our businesses. This investment significantly advances our strategic priorities, which include -- first and foremost -- delivering high-quality, compelling creative content to consumers, the application of new technology and global expansion to drive long-term shareholder value."

Pixar President Ed Catmull will serve as President of the new Pixar and Disney animation studios, reporting to Iger and Dick Cook, Chairman of The Walt Disney Studios. In addition, Pixar Executive Vice President John Lasseter will be Chief Creative Officer of the animation studios, as well as Principal Creative Advisor at Walt Disney Imagineering, where he will provide his expertise in the design of new attractions for Disney theme parks around the world, reporting directly to Iger. Pixar Chairman and CEO Steve Jobs will be appointed to Disney's Board of Directors as a non-independent member. With the addition of Jobs, 11 of Disney's 14 directors will be independent. Both Disney and Pixar animation units will retain their current operations and locations.

"Disney and Pixar can now collaborate without the barriers that come from two different companies with two different sets of shareholders," said Jobs. "Now, everyone can focus on what is most important, creating innovative stories, characters and films that delight millions of people around the world."

"Pixar's culture of collaboration and innovation has its roots in Disney Animation. Our story and production processes are derivatives of the Walt Disney `school' of animated filmmaking," said Dr. Catmull. "Just like the Disney classics, Pixar's films are made for family audiences the world over and, most importantly, for the child in everyone. We can think of nothing better for us than to continue to make great movies with Disney."

The acquisition brings to Disney the talented creative teams behind the tremendously popular original Pixar blockbusters, who will now be involved in the nurturing and future development of these properties, including potential feature animation sequels. Pixar's 20-year unrivaled creative track record includes the hits Toy Story, Toy Story 2, A Bug's Life, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo and The Incredibles. Disney will also have increased ability to fully capitalize on Pixar-created characters and franchises on high-growth digital platforms such as video games, broadband and wireless, as well as traditional media outlets, including theme parks, consumer products and live stage plays.

"For many of us at Pixar, it was the magic of Disney that influenced us to pursue our dreams of becoming animators, artists, storytellers and filmmakers," said Lasseter. "For 20 years we have created our films in the manner inspired by Walt Disney and the great Disney animators -- great stories and characters in an environment made richer by technical advances. It is exciting to continue in this tradition with Disney, the studio that started it all."

"The wonderfully productive 15-year partnership that exists between Disney and Pixar provides a strong foundation that embodies our collective spirit of creativity and imagination," said Cook. "Under this new, strengthened animation unit, we expect to continue to grow and flourish."

Disney first entered into a feature film agreement with Pixar in 1991, resulting in the release of Toy Story, which was hailed as an instant classic upon its release in November 1995. In 1997, Disney extended its relationship with Pixar by entering into a co-production agreement, under which Pixar agreed to produce on an exclusive basis five original computer-animated feature films for distribution by Disney. Pixar is currently in production on the final film under that agreement, Cars, to be distributed by Disney on June 9.

The Boards of Directors of Disney and Pixar have approved the transaction, which is subject to clearance under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Antritrust Improvements Act, certain non-United States merger control regulations, and other customary closing conditions. The agreement will require the approval of Pixar's shareholders. Jobs, who owns approximately 50.6% of the outstanding Pixar shares, has agreed to vote a number of shares equal to 40% of the outstanding shares in favor of the transaction.

The Disney Board was advised by Goldman, Sachs & Co. and Bear, Stearns & Co. The Pixar Board was advised by Credit Suisse.

Separately, the Disney Board approved the repurchase of approximately 225 million additional shares, bringing the Company's total available authorization to 400 million shares. Since August 2004 through the end of December 2005, Disney has invested nearly $4 billion to purchase nearly 155 million shares. Disney anticipates further significant share repurchases going forward, reflecting Disney's continued commitment to returning value to shareholders over time.

(a) Based on Disney's closing share price of $25.52 as of 1/23/06.

About The Walt Disney Company:

The Walt Disney Company (NYSE:DIS), together with its subsidiaries and affiliates, is a leading diversified international family entertainment and media enterprise with four business segments: media networks, parks and resorts, studio entertainment and consumer products. Disney is a Dow 30 company, had annual revenues of nearly $32 billion in its most recent fiscal year, and a market capitalization of approximately $50 billion as of January 23, 2006.

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  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    Good.

    by John Maddening

    Can the largest stockholder legally kill Eisner?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Jobs

    by VibroCount

    So does this mean that Steve Jobs can run ABC?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    if you can't beat em:

    by newc0253

    buy em.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    BOYA! (also, what about Qunit's thread?)

    by Tall_Boy

    BOYA?!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Wasn't this really...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...just a way for Disney to keep Pixar under their roof no matter what? To refuse to let them leave? I mean, does Pixar really benefit from this, other than it's CEO being Disney's biggest stockholder? How do John Lasseter and Peter Stanton feel about this, for example?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Does this save us from a shitty Toy Story 3?

    by Koola_Norway

    Honestly, good news. I'm more concerned about that DreamWorks is becoming a part of Paramount. Disney and Pixar is somehow meant to be in love. Now finally, they are actually factually sleeping together.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Thank God!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Now maybe we'll get some family entertainment out of Pixar, like a direct to DVD "Finding Nemo 2" featuring original songs by Kelly Clarkson.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    I thought this was in the news, like, a week ago

    by exit272

    Anyway, good on Jobs. Pixar has been making the only good stuff Disney has released in a decade.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Right on!

    by KarmicRelief

    Disney + Pixar = Gold.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST

    No need

    by Falcon5768

    Eisner currently is all but dead, he has absolutly no say in the company anymore after the vote of no confidence. What WILL be interestinng is how Apple will profit out of all of this. Rumor had it Jobs wanted to get Dinsey to release every short they had made to the iTunes video store for sale for 1 dollar, the first time most of the shorts would ever have been sold. Likewise Im VERY interested in how Pixars relationship with Hayao Miazaki will pan out now. There has long been rumors of a Pixar/Miazaki movie being talked about and now that could likely be happening.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Good news...

    by El Scorcho

    Even if we are subjected to countless Toy Story and Finding Nemo sequels, this at least assures they will watchable, because Pixar can do no wrong.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    so will it still be captain nemo at disneyland?

    by newc0253

    or finding nemo? (beat) i'm here all week, try the veal.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    so now can i get the little mermaid on my ipod?

    by newc0253

    because you can never get enough quality sea-porn.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    So does this mean Jobs gets to kick Eisner in the balls!

    by StudioPlant69

    Reagan Smash! GFY

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST

    So they sold Pixar to buy it?

    by modlight

    Am I correct in this, they made a big stink about losing Pixar a couple of years ago and that is why whatever movie it was they made was their first non Pixar CGI movie. Now they are buying it. I guess they lost it to raise the individual stock price, then regain it so that they can continue to conquor the world.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by Logo Lou

    I was hoping Pixar would become it's own Disney, and that the old Disney would wither and die.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    btw Newc they are turning the 20000 league ride into Finding Nem

    by modlight

    It was always my favorite so hopefully they'll do it justice. But they won't be able to beat that design of the old subs.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    cars still looks like shit

    by PVIII

    push that fucker back to 2012.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Kind of makes the news about UPN and the WB...

    by Childe Roland

    ...seem like a plain bagel fart in a windstorm, don't it?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:21 p.m. CST

    If this means an Incredibles sequel ...

    by TheAFLACDuck

    If this means we get an Incredibles sequel ... thank FUCK yeah ... I'm all for it. Steve Jobs for President!!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Yay!

    by zillabeast

    Hooray!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Cars will do exactly what all previous Pixar movies have done

    by slone13

    Make a gazillion dollars.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Looks more like a Pixar takeover.....

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...wow. Catmull and Lasseter over Disney Animation?! And Lasseter also will be Creative Advisor for Imagineering. Jobs will eventually be CEO and Brad Bird will run a newly revamped 2D Animation unit. :D

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Steve Jobs is the devil

    by scratcher

    At first I thought this might be good, since it's essentially a takeover of Disney by Jobs. But I think it would have been better for animation to have an independent like Pixar to compete with Disney. I think that in the end this will weaken Pixar and make it even more like Disney, rather than the Brad Bird direction it may have taken. Oh well. I also think Pixar was in a hurry to get this done before their first flop, Cars, comes out and takes the lustre off. What an unappealing film.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Why couldn't you just update the already exisitn PIXAR/DISNE

    by IAmLegolas

    GOSH!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Watch Jobs turn around Disney now.

    by jimmy_009

    As long as he keeps Pixar creatively apart from Disney, I will be happy.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST

    cars will own all of you. toy story 3 can now be good. steve job

    by mrgreentheplant

    i wonder if michael eisner has killed himself yet.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST

    This could be good...

    by Durendal

    Jobs is one of the most brilliant business minds around. That guy knows how to make and sell good products. If his takeover of Apple after they bought NeXT is any indication, he'll have Eisner out of there and be CEO in a few months. Heh. The way I see it, the suits at Disney aren't going to dick with Pixar's way of doing things. Not only do they know that what Pixar is doing now is working just fine, but they also know that inciting the anger of Steve Jobs means a grisly demise too horrifying to comprehend. And stop the harping on Cars. Finding Nemo looked pretty lame from the previews, but it turned out to be great. Same with The Incredibles (to a lesser extent), and it was the best Pixar film yet.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST

    The great American Feature Animation Monopoly rolls on...

    by superhero

    UGH. This is depressing...I was hoping Pixar would have the balls to go off on their own...sad...

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Modlight......

    by Shaner Jedi

    ....Disney never owned Pixar. What they would've "lost" was not the company, but the distribution and co-financing deal with Pixar. After Toy Story was a huge success, Jobs and Eisener agreed to a multi-picture deal for distribution and co-financing. That deal weighed heavily in Disney's favour financially, while creatively letting Pixar make the films they wanted. Cars was the last picture that was part of the multi-picture deal from '97. But after numerous smash hits, Jobs realized a new deal, one after the current one expired with Cars, would be needed to secure Pixar financially. Eisner balked at Job's proposals for more Pixar profits from each picture in a new deal. Once Eisner resigned(re:forced out), relations between new mouse man Iger and Jobs improved. Discussions about a new distribution deal seemed imminent.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Cars

    by scratcher

    I never had a problem with trailers or images from Nemo, and the Incredibles pre-release material was amazing. Nobody actually defends Cars based on material from it being good, only on some strange blind Pixar loyalty. I think Pixar makes really good films (I even liked Bug's Life), but even good filmmakers make mistakes.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    scratcher

    by Shaner Jedi

    Pixar wasn't headed "in a Brad Bird direction" to begin with. Bird was simply one of many brilliant directors there with their own distinct style. Yet no matter how much of a personal stamp they put on their own films,they still have a Lasseter feel....just like Disney did with his. The way I see it is that Disney gives Bird more room to start something in animation or elsewhere.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    The -real- news here: PIXAR TAKES OVER DISNEY ANIMATION AND IMAG

    by robogeek.com

    http://tinyurl.com/expkw Is it just me, or does Disney buying Pixar smell an lot like Apple buying NeXT?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Shaner

    by scratcher

    I wrote "rather than the Brad Bird direction it may have taken." It appeared that he was being given freedom to move in his own direction, hopefully expanding to a non-kids audience.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Hallelujah! Hallelujah!

    by robertbtaylor

    Simply wonderful news. With Lasseter calling the shots, I predict a Disney renaissance. No, seriously, I'm predicting it right here -- http://robert-b-taylor.blogspot.com/

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Mauvaises nouvelles

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Bad News. Sounds like the old guy latching onto the young blood so as to reinvigorate his tired, haggard existence scenario. Disney should spend less time casting folks like Freddy Prinze Jnr and Matt Damon as comedy elks, and more time scouring the country, nay the world, for the greatest writing talent known to man. This is the only way they'll steady their sinking ship. Buying Pixar is good news for Disney fans, but as far as Pixar's concerned it's hardly brilliant news. When you're on top like they are, you're only looking one direction. With a Disney Contract of that magnitude there can only come many stipulations and clauses that Pixar will have to skirt around in their next projects. Instead of being fresh young students of the world, they've officially done gone and sold their souls to Eisner and Iger. The state Disney are in at the moment almost makes me wonder whether it's finally time to reanimate Walt Disney's frozen corpse.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    the end is nigh

    by the M'hael

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Eisner's response...

    by Hail

    "Fuck 'em. I was just about to do that!"

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Oh yea, and this has major cowbell written all over it!

    by Hail

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST

    robogeek is spot-on,

    by Shaner Jedi

    reflecting my earlier "Pixar takeover" comments. Folks, Jobs isn't a pushover. And look at who is now President of DISNEY Animation. Look who is creative advisor of DISNEY animation and DISNEY Imagineering. This could be absolutely brilliant. Sorry scratcher. My mistake. However, consider this: Pixar was a smaller, intimate affair, with each film greenlit after close scrutiny by Lasseter and co. Disney is a big colossus with ADULT subsidiaries. Pixar had already solidified its reputation for kid films. I think this larger room, so to speak, might give someone with Bird's storytelling more room to grow in.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6 p.m. CST

    smart for Pixar because Cars looks like a dud

    by Rupee88

    Besides that, I'm glad they aren't going to make a lame Toy Story 3, but beyond that, I don't care.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    From a co-worker who's too lazy to get an account on here:

    by IAmLegolas

    "Steve Jobs had hinted about 6 months ago, he was ready to give Apple his 100%. That meant he wanted out of Pixar. What the deal did was made him the largest shareholder of Disney. The only thing he cares about Disney is content. Content is king! He already realized that Apple hardware only has a 10-15% profit margin. The iPod is about 40% profit margin. Software is about 20% profit margin. He wants to transform Apple into more of a multimedia/content company and away from a pure computer company. With the wealth of content behind Disney (let see....Disney Animation, Pixar, ABC Channel, ESPN Sports, Miramax, Hollywood Films, Touchstone, etc., he now has the ability to pump the content into the Apple TV top box that's coming. Write this down right now. Apple will have a multimedia device in your living room by summer that will be able to download movies wirelessly (remember wireless firewire??) and incorporate it with Front Row for the ultimate music and video experience. And you will see Apple slowly get out of the hardware business altogether. I think by going Intel, he makes it easy for Apple to offer the Mac OS and software to any Intel-based machine which means they will create content, and let Dell/HP/Sony/Gateway duke it out on the piddly 10% margin that is computer hardware."

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:07 p.m. CST

    get your iMouseketeer iEars

    by BrandLoyalist

    The famous Mickey ears, in your personal choice of Strawberry, Blueberry, Grape, Lime or Tangerine tinted, transparent bullet-proof plastic. These cutting-edge ears connect to your head wirelessly and feature a built-in iPod preloaded with "Hakuna Matata" (shudder).

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    what does this have to do with bloodrayne?

    by blackthought

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:18 p.m. CST

    This news gives me a big, Apple-y boner

    by The Ref

    Go Jobs.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    GEORGE TAKEI WILL OWN YOUR ASS!

    by jesuschrist

    This changes NOTHING on the George Takei front. Actually, with this merger, Takei will now own % 127 1/2 of your ass, making him the largest shareholder of both your right and left cheek. OWNED!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Pinch me...

    by Cabron

    I'm having a nightmare.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Holy hell, where did this come from?

    by scrumdiddly

    We need to know a LOT more about this whole situation, definitely. It could be awesome, but there's no guarantee. It probably just means Disney will stop releasing so many shitty animated sequels. Toy Story 3 though, that's the real benchmark.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    They MUST keep Pixar the way it is, structurally and imaginative

    by Diskatopia

    ...that is a large part of WHY it works. If they try to fit a Disney business/"art" model onto Pixar studios, they will slowly strangle it with it's own coaxial cord. For an example of this modus operandi, this mindset of we-can-mold-it-to-our-way-(but-will-end-up-killing-it) at work, look at how quickly Disney strangled Mammoth Records with the headphone cord, soon after purchase.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Disney content on iTunes

    by Atomik Steve

    They just put 10 Oscar-nominated Disney shorts up on iTunes, including Ferdinand the Bull. Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet. I'm too lazy to read all of the talkbacks.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The genius of this deal (and I was initially deliriously skeptic

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    With Lasseter and that other Pixar guy being "promoted" and with Jobs getting a majority share-holding, it looks like Disney will finally return to glory and we will have a new Disney/Pixar renaissance. This sounds perfect so far. As long as Pixar stays the same, and Jobs and Lasseter et al get a copious amount of influence at Disney, this will be glorious.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Thing about this..

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...is that right now, Disney Animation is pretty much a shell. They shuttered 2D. They developed The Wild, but then had CORE create it. The only thing they really had for features is their core croup of CG animation folks. Sound like Pixar to you too? Pixar, for all intents and purposes, is Disney Animation at this moment.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Buckle up, fanboys.

    by one9deuce

    We are in for a WILD couple of years. My hopes: 1)Pixar remains as independent as they are now. Story is king at Pixar, and that is why they are successful. 2)That hopefully John Lasseter isn't stretched too thin. We couldn't have a better person in charge of Disney's animation studios though. 3)A resurgence of 2D animation. We ALL want this. Lasseter, Brad Bird, and the guys at Pixar are the ones to do this. I think they will. Was The Incredibles awesome as a computer animated film? Yes. Would it have been awesome as a hand drawn film? Yes. I think what a lot of people on this thread have been saying about Steve Jobs is true, that he is a business person. But if you have Disney Studios running at the level it was in the five year run between The Little Mermaid to The Lion King, and Pixar continuing it's great run (although Cars does have me a little worried), and Apple iPods and Apple Home Media Hubs delivering all this great content, then Steve Jobs will be making a SHITLOAD of money. Lets hope Steve Jobs gets even richer by giving us some great content with some awesome hardware to watch it with.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Toy Story 3 the way it SHOULD be!

    by one9deuce

    Pixar will now be doing Toy Story 3, and that is a great thing. Oh, and jesuschrist, you are a funny MF. Your George Takei post makes me laugh every time I read it.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Does this mean we'll get some Pixar versions of classic Disn

    by Terry_1978

    Make a Donald Duck short with Pixar tools and I will watch it.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 6:58 p.m. CST

    PART 2 OF MY PLAN IS NOW COMPLETE!

    by spidermanfreak20

    Awesome! Looks like someone is listening to me. I've pretty much reported they should stay together since my report on Why Cars Will Suck. http://silencecanneverstaysilent.blogspot.com/ You can even see me in detail go over the Future of Pixar. So SUCCESS PIXAR AND DISNEY TOGETHER. Now...about their cars movie.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Eisner.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Michael Eisner has sand in his pussy, that is all.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:18 p.m. CST

    spidermanfreak20

    by scratcher

    Oh yeah, they left this out of the report: "Despite decades of success and a new worth of several billion $, Jobs admitted that he's unable to have any ideas of his own, and initially got the idea to make a deal with Disney from a blog somewhere." Congrats on that.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST

    ("new worth" = "net worth")

    by scratcher

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Am I the only person who thinks recent Pixar/Disney are shit?

    by Forestal

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    THIS SUCKS IN A MAJOR WAY!

    by acebandage

    I was really hoping that Pixar was about to branch out and truly be free to take off in their own direction, but Disney's "beat 'em or buy 'em" strategy seems to have won out again. If you can't make it, buy it. I agree with scratcher, that it seemed like Brad Bird was a taste of what Pixar could do if it spread it's wings a little and got away from Disney's "family oriented" yoke. I truly wanted to see Pixar stand on their own and they had the muscle to do so, but I guess just like the Muppets and every last classic children's tale from authors like A.A. Milne, The Brothers Grim and Hans Christian Anderson, Pixar had their price. So, now the bland, milquetoast, crank-out-more-marketing-than-George Lucas (another bedfellow in the parks)Disney-ized Pixar is all we'll have left. Toy Story and Toy Story 2 were phenomenal, but did any of you happen to have the misfortune of seeing Buzz Lightyear of Star Command? THAT is what the future of this deal holds. Not more good Pixar, just more Pixar. Cars the animated series, the Incredibles Incredible Puppetstravaganza! and Finding Nemo on ice (oops, too late). Steve Jobs with all his controlling shares doesn't have the might to stop the corporate whore that is Disney! Don't fool yourselves! Shed a tear for what might have been! Weep for the loss of Quality over Quantity! A moment of silence for the loss of Pixar without parental control and Disney without healthy competition! I will be wearing black to commiserate the loss of something that stood at the very precipice of greatness, but was dragged back from that dizzying edge by Disney and the almighty dollar.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    So much for our PG-13 Pixar movie

    by DOGSOUP

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    What about that little news that they're making a Magnum PI

    by vinceklortho

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Whoa there

    by TheRiggerx

    While I think this will work out in the long run and I think Jobs will have a lot of say in the direction of the company, he is far from being the majority stock holder in the company. His 51% of Pixar translates to 7 or so % of Disney stock. That combined with his Board seat and the respect he recieves will give him a fair amount of sway. But he isn't all powerful. He doesn't own Disney. That said props to puting Ed Catmull and John Lassiter in positions where they can make a difference. I just hope they can outsmart the Buracracy and second guessing that is the Disney culture. Reopen the Orlando studio and make some kick ass traditional animation!!! Whoo hoo!!!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    quite the reverse, Pixar just sold its soul

    by quentintarantado

    I'm more of the pessimistic camp. Lasseter will be too busy to direct, Pixar loses its soul and becomes a corporate drone and we'll have Toy Story 10 direct to DVD. I mean, Disney was once great, look at it now, and Pixar is letting this happen to themselves as well?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Disney to Pixar: You are now my bitch.

    by Canada's King

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Pixar Is The Most Sucessful Studio In Film History

    by skoobyx

    It took Warner Brothers about 75 years to gross 1 billion and Pixar did that in three films. After Finding Nemo and The Incredibles they're sitting at around 3 billion. That's pretty good for six feature length films. When Steve Jobs bought his way in he instantly made the top ten on Entertainment Weekly's list of most powerful people in Hollywood. Disney must have had to hire professional ass kickers to keep up the work of kicking themselves for not purchasing Pixar outright when they had the chance a decade ago. I heard an author who had written a book critical of Disney's business management being interviewed on the radio and this was his main point of contention. They were going to have to do it sooner or later as Disney was just handling the marketing and product lines for the studio and Pixar was beginning to wonder if they really needed them anymore. It went from 'A Disney Film' to 'A Disney-Pixar Film' to 'A Disney Presentation of a Pixar Film' for The Incredibles. The trend is obvious. That having been said, eventually the novelty of these films is going to wear out and they'll end up with a flop on their hands. I wonder how things will pan out then. It would be nice if they branched out into more adult or challenging films instead of the same formulaic material.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    And the world breathes a collective sigh of relief...

    by Novaman5000

    As Disney finally gets it.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Oh, and disney will let pixar do whatever they want.

    by Novaman5000

    Pixar has more than proven itself, hence the acquisition. If you think Disney is going to mess with a successful formula, you're nuts. Pixar is still the cook. Disney simply wants a piece of the pie.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    TOY STORY 3 here we come!!!

    by Orionsangels

    I can already predict the story. Woody & the gang must search for a new owner, because the original kid has out grown his toys. This takes them on adventure across America, till eventually they find a new child to love them and new home.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I guess I'm also in the Pessimists' camp, but I don'

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...that Pixar needed to go "more adult." They've always been what they want to be - they've always said they don't make films for kids, they make them for themselves and everyone ends up enjoying them (by and large.) I think for them to go in a particularly "mature" direction would be attempting to be something they're not. I don't think The Incredibles was specifically "adult" or "harder" than their other films, I just think none of their movies suffer from the pandering to a family audience that most family movies do. That's where their charm lies. Now if someone wants to argue that Pixar is at this point married to Disney via the buyout and that such a corporate marriage will strangle Pixar's creative freedoms, that's where I agree, and that's the prospect that's got me worried.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Jobs looks like a genius and Lucas is still kicking himself

    by Razorback

    When Jobs was down, so many thought he was out. I have to give the man some respect for bouncing back. Even with all his billions, Lucas MUST be slightly miffed at having to give up PIXAR.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    worried

    by Rindain

    I hope Disney doesn't damage Pixar's films by osmosis--just having Pixar under the same roof as the studio that made the dreck called Chicken Little makes me worry.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST

    I bet Pixar will stay exactly the way it is.

    by jimmy_009

    I wouldn't be suprised if that was part of the deal.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Beauty and the Beast = last good Disney animated film

    by silentjay

    This is why this happened. Disney has produced shit animation since Angela Lansbury was a teapot. They had no chance to climb back to the top of the animation ladder without Pixar. Years ago, Disney tried to shift its animation production over to computers and failed miserably. Which, isn't an entirely bad thing, given the company's prowress in traditional cell-based cartoons. But, in the process, they ran out the creative talent in their quest for standardized, clone-like management principles and as a result, they have produced nothing worth a damn from their own animation department. Now, this is simply about money, as all business transactions are, because Disney corporate has been squirming in a quagmire of mouse dung for years and needs to find a shower---fast. Pixar did not need this. Steve Jobs, however, did. Why? Because Apple is also behind the curve. Watch how fast Disney strikes huge deals with Apple, probably through iTunes and the iPod. The only thing I care about in all of this is how Pixar's exceptionally talented writers and general creative folks respond to working under the guise of a corporate, by-the-Disney-book management structure. And let's not kid ourselves, Pixar's president being slapped up top won't matter a bit. Disney is Disney. 30 miles down Interstate 40 in central Florida, past Disney World's last exit, is a power sub-station with its hub tower shaped like the Mickey "ears" logo. Talk about symbolism.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    The Direction of Animation and Pixar Branching Out? Brad Bird&#3

    by DumbPunter

    Like many fellow TalkBackers I have the same concerns of Pixar drowning in a sea of Disney regulations and dollar signs spinning about their heads. HOWEVER, that is the easy discussion and will probably devolve into our particularly beligerent resident TalkBackers throwing out the common "Pixar RuleZ 4ever" or "Pixar is teh suck!!11!" I think the far more interesting aspect that a few people have touched on is the MASSIVE network that Pixar has now thoroughly entwined itself with. Someone mentioned that Disney obviously has an extensive collection of media branches that are targeted for an adult audience. My single and most passionate desire is that Brad Bird finally has a chance to explore the dirty fantasies that flit about his head. An interview posted here at AICN recorded his desires to make more adult animation, film noir type stories previously only imported from Japanese and occasionally European sources. With new outlets available through the merging of these two companies, I hope Bird is finally given the chance to do so. The heart and honesty in his films (Iron Giant, the Incredibles) would display the power that animation has, separating it from children's entertainment and displaying that it is simply a medium that uses exaggeration to convey universal and very intimate aspects of people and storytelling. Additionally, as both movies I mentioned proved, he is more than capable of composing great action scenes. I still get excited every time I see the frame of the towering Robot pointing his cannon-arm down at the near-speck of a boy in the finale of Iron Giant. If those kind of skills can be brought to new forums through the partnership with Disney, I'm all for it. And as a last aside, to SKOOBYX or whatever his name is that predicted the "novelty" of these films wearing off and fading away, I laugh heartily. Snow White was 2D animation, made half a century ago, and yet in the 90's a small 2D animated flick called Beauty and the Beast is nominated for Best Picture... Hmm... How is that possible? Shouldn't the medium be boring after that many years? Its storytelling that makes good movies, whether they're painted or computer rendered.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST

    SilentJay

    by DumbPunter

    Although I agree with most everything you say, I still gotta defend the much-shat-upon Disney Animation and extend their glory period past Beauty and the Beast. Although thats still their crowning achievement, Lion King was a worthy addition and actually stands up pretty well. Its only flaws arise from the oddly-enjoyed sand-rat-thing and wart-hog, who provided comic relief for the kids and actually presented a frighteningly prophetic image of where Disney was going to take the future of their animated movies (i.e. Stupid jokes, fart humor, silliness without the heart)

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST

    kickers have their place

    by silentjay

    Dumbpunter, I'll accept an argument that Lion King was worthwhile. But, it was also when they became formulaic. The voice talents were great (Irons) and the establishing shots authentic, but the script bordered on pedestrian at times. In my opinion. I guess I see B&TB as the company's last, "Disney" film, from a traditional perspective. I mean, look at it this way: The song we all remember from LK was from Elton John, right? Great singer, great songwriter, but, he was signed for the pop-music sect. In B&TB, Jessica Fletcher gave us the theme...original, epic, not meant for radio. It was done to better the film, not its weekend gross.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Nosferatu Jones

    by Forestal

    Do you have a pet clown fish?

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Actually the plot of Toy Story 3 was supposed to take them to As

    by Terry_1978

    From a story that was online a while back, Buzz's line gets recalled and he's promptly shipped back to Japan, where Woody and the gang hitchhike along in hopes of getting him back, and they apparantly meet up with Japanese-themed toys.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    To DumbPunter (Or Whatever His Name Is)

    by skoobyx

    Plenty of 2D animation films fail today as the novelty of seeing a feature length cartoon is certainly no longer a guarantee of success or even interest. I assume you mention Snow White as it is arguably the first feature length animation film. This no doubt helped add to the interest as the gee-whiz factor with Pixar films (especially the original Toy Story)helped drive their incredible success. I agree with you that storytelling is important, really the only important element, of good cinema and that's what makes Pixar's films stand out compared to efforts from Dreamworks and others. All of their movies would work as 2D animation (which I think is the acid test.)At some point however, people are going to start to notice that all of their films (with the exception of The Incredibles) are about anthropomorphized animals or objects with predictable gags.(Do you think Cheech Maron will be maybe an El Camino with a Mexican accent in Cars? Maybe Larry the Cable Guy will be a redneck pickup?) You can see where I'm going with this. Eventually audiences could get jaded and they'll end up with a bomb, or maybe just something which underpreforms, and they might think about other directions. Pixar may well represent the future of entertainment but the future can't just have kids films. A try at something Sci-Fi or even dramatic (yeah, I know) might be interesting. No one wants the see the 'Cards' parody from the Simpsons with 'Jack' going "You want the deuce? You can't handle the deuce!" That's all I'm saying.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Fuck YES! But by the way: Lion King = last great Disney film

    by AnimeJune

    This means INCREDIBLES 2!!

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    this was smart on Disney's part

    by Film Whisperer

    I think they needed Jobs more than vice versa. As theater distribution begins to sadly diminish in importance in the next 15-20 years (maybe even sooner), there will be a need to figure out the next method of distribution, in our on demand society. Jobs, more than anyone else, more than Sony, more than Gates, has proven his ability to stay ahead of that curve, even revolutionize it. Face it, iTunes and then the iPod has all but saved the music industry, and goosed the taste for immediate gratification. The video iPod is one of the best, most addictive inventions in recent years. This was probably a move on Disney's part to enter the future, as much as a "we really need Pixar" move. Right now, I don't see things changing much at Pixar. Though I believe they may suffer because of the loss of their main story person in a car accident a few months back.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    And as for 2D animated films

    by Film Whisperer

    Like a lot of genres - the musical, the western, even horror -- Hollywood likes to declare them dead, when, in fact, its been proven time and time again that if a movie - regardless of genre or style -- is well made and has a captivating story, people will turn out to see it. I love 2D animation but haven't seen one in years, simply because the majority of them really suck, storywise. Blaming the medium is just another way Hollywood execs try to take the blame for bad decision making off themselves.

  • Jan. 24, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST

    good, now we can keep looking forward to tired films about talki

    by calami-shami

    whose parents die

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Good News For Disney-Pixar

    by MondoGundark

    Jobs becomes the new Walt. Just as he has wanted since childhood. Great fit for der Mouse-Haus. The people at Disney have been so beat up under the moron who is Eisner that most of the talented fled years ago. This will bring the best talent in the world back to a revitalized and hungry company. Fantastic.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 12:27 a.m. CST

    AnimeJune

    by half vader

    Yeah, but even that was a SHAMELESS ripoff of Kimba the white lion (I'm sure you know that though, judging by your user name). Kimba/Simba... I still can't believe it!

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Toy Story 3 will end...

    by Novaman5000

    With the toys ending up in an orphanage, where they will always be loved by children forever. Or at least that's how it should go.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    So basically, 'Cars' will be the last true Pixar film?

    by BendersShinyAss

    Spidermanfreak, it's your time to shine

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    John Lasseter is the new Walt

    by half vader

    Not Jobs, and has been for years.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST

    This just brings us one step closer to a single Corporation runn

    by GornPirate

    Can you say MicroGeneralElectricFordDeltaTimeWarnerDisneySonyIBMToyotaUPSoft?

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Silent Jay: "In B&TB, Jessica Fletcher gave us the theme...origi

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Do the names Celine Dion and Peabo Bryson mean anything to you? ;-) And I know that their version didn't run until the credits, but neither did Elton John's songs in Lion King. (Unless I remember incorrectly.)

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Now I'm NOT so pessimistic. This from Dark Horizons:

    by LlGHTST0RMER

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Oops! (Damn "Enter" key.) No... THIS from Dark Horizons:

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    Market Watch reports that Disney on Tuesday agreed to acquire Steve Jobs' Pixar for $6.3 billion in stock plus $1.1 billion of the company's cash. The deal also gives Pixar and Jobs unprecedented access into what is perhaps the world's most renowned entertainment brand. Jobs, who doubles as chief executive of Apple Computer Inc., will take a seat on Disney's board. He also becomes Disney's largest individual shareholder. Further, several Pixar executives will oversee Disney's animation unit along with their own operations. The deal concludes months of negotiations in which Pixar and Disney first resumed discussions of renewing their distribution agreement in mid 2005. That evolved into takeover talks with Disney Chief Executive Robert Iger after Jobs concluded such a deal was better than another distribution arrangement with a different studio. The deal combines two companies that have been partners for more than a decade and offers Disney a leg up in animated films, where it has struggled in recent years. Disney has distributed all of Pixar's six films, including "Toy Story," "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles." Every Pixar film has been a blockbuster, scoring at least $350 million in worldwide receipts. Pixar will be combined with Disney's animation department in a new operation headed by Pixar's current president, Ed Catmull, who will report to Iger and studio chief Dick Cook. John Lasseter has been tapped to become chief creative officer of the animation studios as well as principal creative adviser at Walt Disney Imagineering. Pixar will retain its brand and continue to work out of the company's Emeryville, Calif. operation in northern California.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 7:39 a.m. CST

    So who will run Pixar now?

    by scratcher

    If Catmull will oversee both Disney and Pixar animation, someone will need to run Pixar and report to him (the curse of middle management). Also, LlGHTST0RMER: I didn't see anything new in the new item you posted that wasn't in the larger story. What were you trying to point out?

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Finally, the road has been paved for the inevitable all-CGI "Heb

    by Chastain-86

    And I know what you're thinking -- The Hebrew Hammer in CGI for kids is a really, really terrible idea. But just think about it for a second before The Hammer lays a vicious bitchslap on your Gentile asses. What better way to introduce your child to the wonders of Judaism than with the whimsical stylings of The Jew In Black on a rollicking adventure? I predict at least one talking animal sidekick, probably a pre-gefilte'd fish. This movie would make BANK at the box office, but it'd need a soundtrack song by Jack Johnson. Can somebody get him on the horn?

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Old news, this has been talked about for a week.

    by minderbinder

    So I wonder how much power Jobs (and Lasseter) will get? This could either kill Pixar or totally turn disney around.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    minder

    by Shaner Jedi

    considering Lasseter will be Chief Creative Officer and Catmull will be President of Disney Animation, I think they'll have great say. Remember, Catmull reports directly to Cook and Iger.They also run the other Disney ops. Basically, Pixar management now runs Disney Animation.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    R.I.P. PIXAR

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    You don't understand

    by dwam0

    Catmull will run Disney animation, Lasseter will run Pixar animation. People like Brad Bird can work for either, so an idea that isn't perfect for Pixar can be used by Disney. "Cars" will be the LAST film made in the traditional early Pixar style - all movies after will be the next evolution of Pixar animation (and if you can't see the difference in "Monsters Inc. " and "The Incredibles" just look at sunlight in both films - a world of difference). As for darker material, imagine this - short animated films based on hits like "Pirates of the Caribbean" included in a DVD or used for a theme park ride. That would be the test before a full blown movie - a movie that could probably be made cheaper than another live action. As the technology gets better, the films would get less expensive and look better. The thing about Disney is that they don't know how to make a movie on the cheap without making it look cheap. The price of making a Pixar movie - excluding voice talent - has been flat for the last three movies.

  • though, taking inflation into account, i think its probably up to about one every 10 seconds by now.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Pretty hard

    by Shaner Jedi

    to push Jobs around or tie his hands when he's the majority shareholder, has a seat on the board, and also has his Pixar creatives now running Disney Animation.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Half Vader, the circle of Plagiarism is Complete!

    by AnimeJune

    Sure, the Lion King borrows quite a bit from Kimba the White Lion, but considering that Kimba's director Osamu Tezuka borrowed tons of Disneys designs (like for Snow White and Pinocchio) for his first animes, like Astroboy, I think it's justified payback. Hyaaaaa! The Ciiiiiiiiircle of Plagiarism! It moves us aaaaaaaalll....

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Scratcher - you just made me realize...

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    ...retard that I am, I didn't even read the damn AICN story. I just saw the headline and went into "glass half-empty" mode. Wow... color me stupid. Found that Dark Horizons story and read it all the way through. If you'll excuse me now, I've got shiny things to stick in that wall socket over there... maybe play in some traffic later....

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST

    some good news for the house of mouse

    by ATARI

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    AnimeJune - Plagiarism

    by half vader

    Even if I agreed with you about swiping designs, a similar look (you're not confusing design with story are you?) has nothing on wholesale lifting of the storyline and characters. I'd argue that the American animation industry adopted the Disney style as the 'default' MUCH more than Japan. Also, in terms of story Astroboy is Pinocchio (there was a book before the Disney flick of both Snow White and Pinocchio, silly) meets Frankenstein. No way is Lion King justified payback. C'mon, man.

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I FUCKING HATE DISNEY

    by Plazola_MEX

    DIE DISNEY DIE!!!!

  • Jan. 25, 2006, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Ever hear of Shakespeare?

    by scratcher

    I haven't seen the Anime you're writing about, but was it created before Hamlet? Shakespeare borrowed from previous sources, Lion King was inspired by Hamlet, or that Anime you go on about. The basic idea isn't what makes them good, or successful, it's the execution.

  • Jan. 26, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    I'd like to point out that...

    by tango fett

    Toy Story 3 has JUST BEEN CANNED.

  • Jan. 26, 2006, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Lion King = Hamlet, Richard the 3rd, etc. etc.

    by AnimeJune

    Lion King didn't borrow from Hamlet. The story of Hamlet is an archtypal story, one that Shakespeare probably took the idea from some other (most likely Italian) play, like all of his other plays. It shares some similarities (ghost of dead father), but that's about it. Everybody doesn't die in the end, Sarabi doesn't get it on with Scar, Timon and Pumbaa (Rosencrantz and Gildenstern??) don't try to kill Simba, Simba doesn't go batshit insane, Nala doesn't drown herself - may I go on? Half Vader - Osamu took his primary designs from what Disney created originally, and the anime industry followed. All you Disney-haters, let it be known, ANIME would NOT EXIST without Disney. Besides, just because they use the same story (like Pinocchio) doesn't mean they should have the same visual style. I personally loved "The Lion King". I saw it when I was nine, and I loved the combination of superior visuals and music. We can agree to disagree, I suppose. But if you stick by your saying "Beauty and the Beast = last great Disney film", what was wrong with "Aladdin"??

  • Jan. 26, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Oh come on. Lion King absolutely borrowed from Hamlet.

    by LlGHTST0RMER

    If that's your argument, then West Side Story didn't take from Romeo and Juliet because they lived in New York instead of Verona, or Titanic didn't, for that matter, because it took place on a sinking ship. Yeah, sure, Simba's mom didn't hook up with Scar, or his friends didn't try to kill him, or he didn't pretend to go insane, but remember: it's a fucking DISNEY movie! They simply reapplied the core elements of a deceitful uncle killing the king to take the throne and the son taking on the mantle of vengeance for his father's death. That's Hamlet in a nutshell, don't you think? Besides, you kind of washed right over Scratcher's main point: "The [original] idea isn't what makes them good, or successful, it's the execution." He's saying it doesn't matter what source material the film is taking from (or even not taking from, if you choose,) but how well they develop the story their own way. That said, I agree with you on Aladdin. Emporer's New Groove has a few pretty good laughs in it, but I personally think Aladdin may have been the last really great Disney flick.

  • Jan. 26, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    i am watching madagascar RIGHT THIS MINUTE...

    by jig98

    anyone wanna join me? ha ha. just kidding. i can't FUCKING WAIT for the oscar nominations tuesday and wallace and gromit's flick to hit dvd on feb 7th! i'm getting that shit!

  • Jan. 27, 2006, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Aargghhh.

    by half vader

    Just lost my whole diatribe thanks to a blackout. So at least you get spared most of the boredom. AnimeJune did you read my post though? You're STILL getting mixed up between story/character and look/design! And if you want to talk design/style being the barometer of a good movie (ha!), it's incredibly disingenuous of you not to acknowledge that early Mickey & Oswald are big old swipes from Krazy and Felix. Look at the earliest Fleischer and Winsor McCay, for crying out loud. By the way, I never said I hated the Lion King film in and of itself (see, I don't make the same mistake of context vs. content), and I'm not a Disney Hater. I'm not going into it again now, but I was saying the whole Lion King travesty is analogous to music sampling in the eighties. At least give credit (and a share of the profits) where it's due and don't be so arrogant to think you'll get away with it just because you have an army of lawyers to protect you. As for Scratcher and Lightstormer, of course there's the Shakespeare thing, but I thought that was so obvious I didn't need to mention it. Besides, I was talking the most direct sort of plagiarism, not Inspiration or Homage which are a degree of separation away. It's all pretty ironic considering Disney have been beating us about the head with "Don't judge a book by its cover" since the eighties (and being complete hypocrites about it in crap like Hunchback). I love the truly timeless classic Disney stuff, but with the exception of great fun flicks like Lilo & Stitch, Pochahontas (not quite so 'fun') & especially Emperor's New Groove (THAT'S how you do it, Shrek!), most of the other crap is an affront to the incredible artists that worked on it. I also never mentioned Beasty and the Beast (great pacing) or Aladdin. Speaking of which, it's definitely more tied up into what Lightstormer & Scratcher were talking about, but have you ever heard the whole story of The Thief and the Cobbler (preferably the bastardised English version as opposed to the completely raped American cut)?_______________Jig, I'll join you, but only for the penguins. I'd watch it all 100 times though before I sat through Sharktale again. I hate to say I told me so, but I did tell me so!

  • Jan. 27, 2006, 2:49 a.m. CST

    Oops! "Beasty and the Beast"!

    by half vader

  • Jan. 27, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST

    P.P.S.

    by half vader

    Won't it be funny when we have this same argument in a few months time when The Wild comes out? Here I am being subjective again but please God tell me the Koala is doing a bad British accent not an Aussie. For fuck's sake, is Hollywood so accent-deaf they can't tell an Aussie accent from a hole in the ground? Or so stupid they don't realise how many Aussie actors there are in the States? And speaking of character design, pee-yewwww! At least with John Lasseter at the reigns both will be corrected in the future. BTW fun fact: Koalas have 3 fingers and 2 thumbs. That's why they can even nod off up there.

  • Jan. 27, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The Koala is british because Eric Idle is british

    by AnimeJune

    ...And they want the Koala to be Eric Idle, because he's freakin' Eric Idle. ^_^ Sad - the best animated movies have never depended on famous people for voices.

  • Jan. 27, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Anime

    by half vader

    I didn't know that. Yeah you're right about the voice thing. Although Pixar does seem to find the best of both worlds in that respect (and they did reject Harrison Ford and some other big guy whose name escapes me for Mr. Incredible). It'll be interesting to see how Happy Feet works out in that respect because my God they've got some name actors in there.