Jan. 18, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST
will we ever see She-Hilk naked on screen with Duchovony runing in fear?
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST
by The Heathen
straight to DVD with Mulder? DIdn't thnk so.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST
I love what Ang Lee made of it, although I agree that it's better to look for another (= more, but not too, popcorn-compatible) director. I just hope they pick a good one! (Alex Proyas? Florent Emilio Siri?)
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST
Hey Harry - any word on the accuracy of the Eric Bana part of that story? Would love to see some continuity in the role, and I thought he did a great job with the role, even if some didn't care for the story. Would be nice to see Jennifer and Sam return as well...
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST
Harry, next time you get a BS story why not do this bg checking before you put it out? Thanks for getting to the bottom of it though.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:33 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST
It says that Eric Bana passed on the project after he learned Hulk2 would be direct to dvd, and David Duchovny has signed on. There's confliction info here: if Avi says it wont be direct to DVD, then is Bana on/off or Duchovny on/off? If they're going to keep continuity they really have to keep Bana on board.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST
by Deak the Geek
and what's this spidey news....?
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST
I hope Eric Bana comes back. I probably wouldn't go see it otherwise.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST
or maybe they are announcing they have cast The Rock as Kraven the Hunter, and Larry David as The Vulture.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST
ANd Harry we get it you hate Fantastic Four, shut up already. Yes it could have been much better, but it wasn't horrible.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST
Garbage. It's alllllll garbage. They've even managed to suck all the fun outa teaching my 3-yr-old to shriek "HULK SMASH!" when clobbering things... Avi Arad, Ah wish Ah could kwitchoo....
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST
Tying in Banner's abuse directly with his repressed nature was a good idea. The whole giant energy jellyfish thing wasn't. Nick Nolte as a spitting mad crazy janitor slash scientist good, ruining the Absorbing Man (and again, the stupid fucking giant energy jellyfish) was very bad. David Duchovny as the Leader would be good.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST
by all your base
new justice league unlimiteds are airing in wee britain. so far flash and substance and dead reckoning.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST
IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!! and why the hell would i wanna watch david "mulder" duchovny as the hulk in silly and worthless direct to dvd sequel to another great superhero flick everyone is bitching about?! why? "hulk smash puny aliens!" that doesn't work.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST
Starring Meat Loaf Aday
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST
by Kauzi Sezso
Please, please do a sequel with the Grey Hulk!
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:54 p.m. CST
Not by even the most forgiving standards. Spider-Man 2 was a great movie. Batman Begins was a great movie. Fantastic Four was the Rush Hour of superhero movies.
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST
by Lando Griffin
but like him I am in the minority as I loved Hulk as is. Although I must say with all the fanboy hatred and less than stellar box office I really wasn't anticipating a sequel and frankly think the first one is fine as a stand alone. But who knows we may be surprised. I must say that I am glad a direct to dvd sequel story is false. And I HATE when major parts are recast/revamped/re-whatevered. Bana is Banner (although if he never was Duchovny would have been a good choice as well) but like I said Bana is Banner. The secondary characters aren't really necessary for a sequel. I am not familiar with Hulk villains so am curious as to what the plot will be of the sequel. And in the face of fanboy hatred I must also agree with Chorley, Fantastic 4 was not horrible. It was entertaining and adequate, perhaps the sequel will be better. And hurry up with that Spidey news, looking forward to it!
Jan. 18, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST
Oh, you think? If Avid really is happy with this steaming pile of crap that was The Hulk, he's konkers. It was a lousy script, plain and simple, and when your foundation is cracked no amount of pretty cinematography of CGI can fix it. I mean, come on: gamma-irradiated poodles? That's fucking ridiculous. It's a bad joke. And what was the deal with the three different sized Hulks? As for Fantastic Four, yeah it was sucky, but not as sucky as The Hulk. They need to retool Hulk from the bottom up, make it faster, smarter, and more consistant. Hulk fucking writes itself! Sheesh. All you need is some Hulkbuster mechs, and some evil Gamma mutants like Abomination, Leader, Mercy, etc., put Hulk in the middle and let the massive destructive set-pieces fly. It ain't rocket science. The thing that always kills me about comic book adaptions is this: they already have scripts--tons of scripts! And a lot of them are already storyboarded! USE THE FUCKING COMICS, DIPSHITS! Just do what they did with Sin City. Why do they always make it more difficult than it has to be and ruin everything that was interesting about the property in the first place?
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST
Told you it was BS! Here's to hoping a sequel is much better than the original. We wanna se Hulk smash, not stare at moss.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST
As much as this would KICK COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF ASS, it's probably too expensive. And for the record, HULK, while flawed, was excellent.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST
Really, Ain't It Cool News has been a favorite site of mine for a while, but they haven't broken any really good stories in a loooong time. Is the site getting neglected?
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:09 p.m. CST
I really don't understand why people dislike this movie so much, and I'm kind of tired arguing that it was worthy of a sequel. So let me just say; rock out with your c0ck out avi, I'll be there at the premier. In fact can I get your email address to send my resume for casting? :) *que piano, as I walk away slowly backwards with my thumb in the air*
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST
am I the only one who remembers the day when the hulk teaser trailer hit the web? It was the bomb diggity and with the exception of some over used cgi the movie was not a let down. It promised big, green and angry and it delivered.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST
Hulkback Mounthing. A classic love story between two superheroes who find love in each other, like no other superhero could ever. ok maybe Northstar.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST
Loved Hulk...it would be too much to ask to get Bana and Ang Lee back...as long as the director takes note of what Ang Lee did...because that movie looked damn pretty!
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST
Wow, didn't know they had the mollah for Bana & whatshername. The tits. Jennifer Conneley. Right. Also, FF blows. HARD.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST
sometimes a bit too gimmicky (the comic book edits don't really hold up), but often quite beautiful. Even though the climax made little to no sense. But I dug the psychological stuff and the ideas. Having said that, I wouldn't mind a different Hulk film with a different feel and a different theme. Of course, they'd never have the balls to do an Ultimate Hulk who just rampantly tramples on people and shouts obscenities. "Get me Freddie Prinze Jr.! Aaarrghh!" Can't wait for that Ultimates animated dvd.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
If I fucked up at my job as badly as he has at his, there'd be one more Indian writing code right now. And who didn't know this was bullshit? A direct to DVD sequel to The Hulk? I know this site isn't supposed to be a bastion of journalism but be a little more discriminating, jeez.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST
Finally! Maybe we're going to "officially" find out who the villians are? Not sure I care anymore...
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST
The bad news is, Hulk 2 ain't gonna fly. But the really great news is Ivan called! Evolution 2: Evoluted is a go!"
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST
by the M'hael
as a longtime hulk reader, i always felt the best stories dealt with the emotional side of the hulk, the repressed anger, etc. yes, i agree the ending is odd, not big enough of a payoff, but i've been let down worse. FAR, far worse. and by films most people here love, i'm sure.
Jan. 18, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST
Why?...because he's paid to say that. He would say that about all the Marvel movies if he could get away with it. With something like "Electra", he may be more diplomatic, but you never know. But that's a stupid thing to print because he may love it or may hate it, but we know he will say he loves it because that's his friggin' job.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2 p.m. CST
by Fireball XL-5
All this time I thought I was the only person who actually liked the Hulk movie. How about Jeremy Piven as David Banner in the sequel? Seriously.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST
And of _course_ the "Hulk 2 straight-to-video w. Duchovny starring" was BS. How the hell did that get posted in the first place without even any apparent attempt at corroboration? Quint needs a spanking! ;-)
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST
by Henry Jones Jr.
All the hulk 2 needs is for Jennifer Connelly two show us her nice set of funbags. She's done it before. We need to see how they are aging.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST
by The Pusher
The first one got a seriously bad rap. I just hope they keep the editing style. Was probably one of the best things about the first one.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
Replace him with Billy Crudup or Ed Norton. And lets see more of the crazed SAVAGE Hulk the second time around. Marvel can't afford to fuck this up. Hire Spike Jonze to do a Savage Hulk movie and watch the money pour in.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST
Truthfully, that's all I really care about.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST
I guess they had to put something beside his name. And who knows, it might be accurate. Hopefully we will know soon.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST
to show that the HULK never killed anyone. Did anyone else think it was absolutely ridiculous that he threw a tank a quarter of a mile and they showed the drivers climbing out of it. Or that a helicopter went down and didn't explode and everyone crawled out (I know all things don't explode, but in the movies they should). It was slow, too far fetched, and just not good. I mean... the poodle??? WTF?????
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST
I watched both The Hulk and Fantastic Four again recently. OK, the first half of Hulk is slow, but it is an interesting film, and as a Hulk reader of 25 years, it was great seeing him bounding through the desert and clobbering the military. FF (anyone who calls it F4 knows shit) is also a fun flick, not awesome but pretty good. I also like Daredevil a lot. I don't understand all the whining about these flicks. We suffered decades of TV shows and low-budget movies pissing over these characters, and then we get a run of mostly-faithful, big-budget films, and still they are panned in some quarters.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST
Why am I always reading retractions of BS stories lately? If you can get Avi Arad on the phone so quickly, why don't you call him BEFORE you waste your time? I mean, what was the last story this site actually broke first? As for the topic, I have a feeling that Marvel will listen to the NaySayers on Hulk 2. Due to this fact, it will suck worse than a Made-For-TV Thor and all the haters will realize Ang Lee's Hulk was actually pretty good.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST
That's not a slam, either, Harry -- I just think your personal film tastes are just POLAR OPPOSITE from my own. So when you love something, I usually know I'm going to hate it. You're basically the only consistent thing going in the review business these days, so I hope your terrible, terrible taste continues unabated.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
Everyone who says Hulk sucked because not enough action should hate FF for the same reason or even more more. At least Hulk had good acting performances and a talented director. The fight in FF sucked and last four minutes. Dr. Doom as a chracter deserved better. So stop with the Hulk bashing and FF approval because it makes no sense.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST
I'm not even going to attempt to refute your opinions of The Hulk, because... well, what would be the point? All I know is, if you can somehow defend the use of "Hulk dogs" in any way, shape or form, and make me believe it, there's a prize in it for you.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST
Hulk was excellent while it was not a kids film to me it will become a cult classic. and if you don't like my opinion well that's your beef.Make mine Marvel!
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST
now that was a piece of crap. check out the thing in that version and tell me that 2005's version was crap http://tinyurl.com/dsnhq
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST
He voiced the toon, and his forehead only needs one or two more inches
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST
but I'm not nearly as think as you drunk I am. :?
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST
Make the Hulk smaller, but MO-CAP our green guy! By now, the mo-cap packages must be nearly off-the-shelf, and cheap, given how much you've invested in object-oriented Hulkness.
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST
At the time at least, every single person I knew personally who had seen HULK fucking ADORED it. And I would guess the vast majority of them still stand by it (including me). But I almost agree with the talkbacker above who said it was "universally hated" and that a sequel would "open to empty theaters" (except for me and my friends). Part of why HULK is great though is because it is so amazing they let Ang Lee make that particular movie. I'm pretty sure Ang Lee was not trying to sell toys, give comic book fans a boner or appeal to every possible person in the world. He was just making an Ang Lee movie about the Hulk. In fact, BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN has a way broader appeal! So a sequel was never a realistic hope for us. (I'd rather see CHOPPER 2 anyway.)
Jan. 18, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST
by Tony Mike Hall
Why is that we have to convince you? When did the burden shift? Aside from your ripping Harry's taste in movies and a general inference that the Hulk dogs "sucked," you haven't exactly delineated what your issue with them (or the movie) is. Let's keep in mind that the film is about a green CGI behemoth called the Hulk who snarls and breaks things when he's pissed off. And you're nitpicking about oversized dogs. Am I to assume you're one of those geeks who takes his/her fantasy games/comic books a little too seriously? You may not see the point but I do: it's too easy to say something sucks and that arguing your position is worthless. Saves you from having to do the work. I have a better idea: why don't you sack up and let us all know what your views are and then we'll discuss/dismantle them from there.
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST
by Deak the Geek
whereis this spider-man news then?
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST
by Kid Z
... and Ang Lee was the wrong director for it. Beautiful cinematography though, and the Hulk vs. the army scenes were cool. FF effin' blew chunks... that rubber Thing costume... I've seen fan stuff at conventions that were better. Liked Daredevil, but probably only because I'm a big DD fan. Now... hurry up with the Spidey 3 news Harry! ...dammit!...
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST
well...except for the Arthur Miller play they stuck in at the end. I would love to see a director's cut of this with the original soundtrack and intent. And by "love" I mean "be mildly interested in seeing." Frankly the film is a bore and you all know it. It's one long neato editing trick to make you forget that you're not watching anything remotely interesting.
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST
yo quero kick your ass
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST
A story about an unloved monster and a gay cowboy. "Hulk love puny human!"
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST
Apart from money maybe! Heyo! Seriously, he is a soulless fucking hack. I've loathed him since I saw his executive producer credit on the shitawful 90s X-Men cartoon. He loves and is proud of Hulk? Fuck off. The movie was barely out when he started talking about how the sequel would have more action in it, trying to appease bewildered fans. The guy is utter bullshit. He apologises for Elektra, so why the fuck was he singing its praises right up until release? Oh right, 'cause it's his job, that's why. If (by some miracle) that movie was a success, he'd be full of "love" and "pride" for Rob Bowman & co. too, I'm sure. His defense for every awful-sounding tidbit leaked from the X3 set is "it's from the comics!" Well maybe 40-odd years of X-Men comics haven't all been exactly top-drawer, genius. It might be "from the comics", but I'm pretty sure nobody wants to see Spider-Clones the movie, either. AVI ARAD IS BUUUUULLSHIIIIIIIIITTTTT
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST
If Ang "Not The Man" Lee played up Bruce's childhood abuse more at the hands of his father (similar to Peter David's stories) and not tried to merge his dad with the Absorbing Man, the first film could have been somewhat watchable. Oh, yeah...and more tank throwing!
Jan. 18, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST
Step1. Make a two hour movie of Hulk going berserk and tearing shit up. That's all you have to do. You don't even need a super villain, do it like the upcoming Ultimate Avengers DVD, Hulk going ape shit IS the conflict. The fans didn't like the exposition on anger and control. We want to see Hulk Smash.
Jan. 18, 2006, 4 p.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST
by Barry Egan
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST
Seriously. It was a meandering mess. The only good parts were when Bana went apeshit, turned green, and started busting shit up left and right.
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST
Did anybody else get a weird message about the Phantom Zone by somebody calling themselves Bizarro Doc when they tried to click on an item? What the hell happened?
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST
by Capt. Blackadder
Quint, please do your homework next time.
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST
by Capt. Blackadder
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:41 p.m. CST
Get a clue already.
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST
Get a clue already.
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:44 p.m. CST
by Capt. Murphy
SUCKED! OMG it was horrible, I had to watch old VHS tapes of the Bixby-driven show for days to wash the highly unpleasant taste of Eric Bana out of my mouth (yeah, that sounds way more sexual than it actually is, but I didn't feel like coming up with something about my eyes). Just a horrible movie, and you would really, really, really have to like The Hulk to endure a sequel ...by the same guy no less!!! Wow, just horrible. I got an idea tho. Since Bana ends the movie in the jungle, they could do a weird time warp thing where in the sequel he ends up showing up with Sean Connery in a Medicine Man prequel, and uses his powers and lack of acting ability to defeat the jungle gorillas who are rampaging through the underbrush. I'm sure there's a funny title somewhere in there, but it's time to go home.
spidey news is here
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST
by bib fortuna
MrBoinfoint January 18th, 2006 12:49:29 PM CST After Ang Lee's attempt, this would be better as a musical by JAGUART January 18th, 2006 12:50:14 PM CST Starring Meat Loaf Aday Man: Help, the Hulk is about to escape. Hulk: Take your hands off, I'm a big green ape! MEN: he can talk, he can talk, Hulk: I can siiiiiiiing!!
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST
To me Hulk only works in a origin story which I thought was done nicely. I would much rather see the Hulk in an ensemble movie like The Ultimate Avengers... that would be way the hell cool! Maybe if enough people liked the upcoming Avengers animation movie DVD that they'll think about doing a big screen movie.
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST
It's been more than a "few hours"...
Jan. 18, 2006, 5:56 p.m. CST
by bib fortuna
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST
I actually, for the most part, liked the Hulk film, but you bring up a GOOD point about comics-movies. The work is THERE! They just have to work it a bit. Hell, even visually. Especially the Hulk comics.
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST
The desert rampage sequence in HULK was one of the most thrilling/beautiful actions sequences ever.
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST
Hulk 2- Opens with Banner in full on Bill Bixby, roaming the countryside, helping out towns in trouble mode. Kickass opening sequence where he Hulks out on some local troublemakers (like the end of 1, but in the US, with no beard or frog). Ross tracks him down and, with Betty's persuading, Banner agrees to some new work for the gummint (they want to figure out how to duplicate his "accident", but he's just out to use those big govt toys to cure his bad self). Gen Ross pairs with asshole scientist Emil Blonksy. Blonsky wants Hulk's powers. Lab accident/sabotage by Blonsky occurs; Banner isn't cured, but his powers are reduced. He's now grey Hulk - smaller, smarter, etc. Blonsky gets an assfull of radiation and becomes the Abomination. Big monster fights ensue; in the third act, Banner realizes grey Hulk can't beat Abomination and re-doses himself, ushering in the return of Green Hulk for the finale. Nick Nolte does not appear. The end.
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST
by Chief Redcock
and yeah, bana stank like shit as banner
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST
I honestly think the whole first and second act of the movie was pretty decent. I didn't mind the whole psycological thing with banner and his dad and all that stuff. I was perfectly fine with that. I know in the comics Banner was supposed to have been an abused child so ok they got that part. And the scenes with the Hulk fighting the military were some of my favorite parts. Those looked pretty good. What ruined the movie for me is where they turned his dad into the freaking Absorbing Man. If they had just wanted to bring the crazy dad character back into the movie then ok. But why in the hell give him powers and basically make him the Absorbing Man? That was just stupid.Then it threw in the Hulk dogs and that whole big mess of a fight (If you wanna call it that) at the end of the movie where you couldn't make out shit of what was going on cause it was too dark and what you could see was only a quick flash here and there. And they gave you lines like "If you want my power then take it! Take it allll!" to let you know what was happening cause you sure as hell couldn't see it. That whole 3rd act of the movie just down right sucked plain and simple. No doubt about it. And I was really liking it up until then to. They should have just kept the first movie simple and had the Hulk only fight the military in the first movie and have a villian for the second one. And they definitely needed to keep his dad crazy and powerless.
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST
Would have made much more sense.
Jan. 18, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST
And i absolutly loved both times. a Psychodynamic Approach to the Hulk. what a Great idea.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST
is gwen stacy in spider-man 3. FACT.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:06 p.m. CST
I loved, loved, loved, LOVED The Hulk. I know how many of you talkbakers hated the film, but I guess you all wanted more HULK SMASH and less plot. Bring me some more of that delicious big green hard candy (god, that sounded gay).
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST
As many of you have hinted and I always used to say, the Hulk movie should have combined elements of the comic book AND the TV show. Namely Banner on the run hitch hiking from town to town, Jack McGee(as an investigative reporter slowly uncovering the truth about the Hulk and being a pain in the ass to Banner AND Thunderbolt Ross)and yes, THE LONELY MAN THEME. That music is so fucking sad and iconic. If the Hulk would have ended with Banner meeting Jennifer Conelly at some truck stop in the middle of the desert, disappearing and leaving a sad goodbye note about how he'll never be free and she'll never be safe until he is cured and rid of the Hulk forever and then cutting to him hitchhiking with the music. There wouldn't be a dry eye in the theater and that would have 10 times the weight of that crappy Amazon village bullshit they did instead.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST
cool. That first report was turd on the brain, htis one's better even if its from Arad. I hope this means there will be more smash and less pretty desert montages. Not that i dont like desert montages.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST
I don't know if that would have a made a very good introduction movie, but I sort of expected that's where the series may go next (if it ever got a sequel). You know, Hulk is to Hulk 2 as House of 1000 Corpses was to Devils Rejects. Awesome fucking nick, by the way.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST
That juvenile rape-fantasy would fit perfectly into a Spider-Man film. I know you got it from Venom's first appearance, but your lurid retelling highlights exactly why he's such a weak character. However, if Topher is Venom, then they're obviously doing the Ultimate version, which is fine by me.
Jan. 18, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
Man, seriouly, I could use another shot of Patro'n! Yes!
Jan. 18, 2006, 8:55 p.m. CST
...but it was no where near as good as it should have been. Let Hulk beat on the Abomination and some Hulk-Buster Mechs and you'll have a great sequel and sell a zillion more toys.
Jan. 18, 2006, 9:11 p.m. CST
at no time in the movie did I ever feel he was in danger. I can get into the father/son psychological stuff and I don't mind Ang Lee's fingerprints all over the movie. I thinking he was an inspiring choice for it BUT give me some god damn tension. I mean, GLUE and lots of it? When they glued him up that was the height of danger he was in. THe desert stuff with him fighting the tanks was nice but I never once felt he wasn't going to do what he did which was annihilate them. All good movies have some tension in them but for a comic book movie to be so devoid of it is a death sentence.
Jan. 18, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST
Suck on that. Hulk 2 will just be The Hulk meets 2 Fast 2 Furious. SHIT.
Jan. 18, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST
Maybe you should write a book.
Jan. 18, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST
And let him write the script. I love the character, but the first one sucked monkey taint, there's no denying it. It was just too absorbed in its own genius. Let's see a Hulk who isn't afraid to scream out "HULK SMASH"
Jan. 18, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST
by Rant Breath
If you downsize the Hulk audiences will stay away. You dont pull in audiences by shrinking the main attraction. And there's no reason to shrink the Hulk. Shrink Bruce Banner(cast a smaller actor). He's the weakling.
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:07 p.m. CST
I am so fucking sick of the bullshit from Austin. Adios revisionist con artist.
Jan. 18, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST
SCENE: A quiet mountainside. THE THING and HULK are sitting quietly next to each other watching the sun set in the distance. THING turns toward HULK. THING I don't know how to quit you.
Jan. 18, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST
Eric Bana is contracted for the sequel, so regardless of whether he wants to do it or not they already own his ass, and given his star power on the rise name recognition now there is no way that they're going to cut him loose if they make a sequel. And this is Marvel, you know they're gonna make a sequel eventually. **************************************************************************** As to the first Hulk, personally I liked it well enough. I mean it had it's problems, sure, the comic panels were overdone, and the final confrontation is frankly a bit of a mess really, but outside of that for the most part I enjoyed it well enough, and it's still better than some of the other recent Marvel movies we've had to suffer through.
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
better not just be the casting of Gwen Stacey...
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:43 a.m. CST
I, for one, am looking forward to "HULK 2". Bring it on!
Jan. 19, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST
by geek molester
But yeah I'm probably in the minority. They'll be able to bring back a lot of the people that didn't like the first one if the sequel has a kick-ass trailer. And it will.
Jan. 19, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST
Nuff said. Nuff said.
Jan. 19, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST
Man that was some shit movie going experiance
Jan. 19, 2006, 3:17 a.m. CST
It's fucking sickening. This is the last time I come here. Fuck you Harry.
Jan. 19, 2006, 3:28 a.m. CST
The editing - I expect nothing less from first week film students playing with editing software. Seriously, what was with all those bullshit transitions? Seriously. It was the first 1 where we had the blob ameaba transition during birth that I looked at my woman and said "Tell me that didn't just happen". I found myself waiting for the frame to turn back to front, upside down. It was THAT out ragous in some parts. Piece of shit. Totlly pulled me out of the film. And kept me out of the film. I'm not kidding when I say this, but people in the audiance were looking around at each other. I have NEVER seen that before in a cinema. All you talkbackers here laying down your love and praise for this film. Fight me! Seriously, I want to hear what it was that captivated you to this piece of crap. I LOVE the Hulk character, So I speak as a burned fan. I will not see this sequel and I garantee no one I know will either. Let me go further. The mushroom bubble at the end, with all the memories playing accross the surface. WHAT A FUCKING PILE! But I guess I should say what I did like about the film. and this aint gunna be much. I liked the special effects of Nick Nolte's hand on the metal. That was impressive. So wish it could have happened in a better film. The Special effects of the military destroying those natural land formations. I was sort of worried that hollywood was really blowing up natural land formations, the effects were THAT GOOD. However, hulk running and jumping.... that was bullshit. With his stupid fast little legs and super leaps. He should have run like Homer on insanity peppers. Man this movie was trashy. I await the sequel for 1 reason, to find out if they have 'shot' and 'cut' it differently to the first. If it is, then it will validate all that I have said. If they do not, then what the fuck??
Jan. 19, 2006, 3:32 a.m. CST
The whole point of Hulk is rage. I certainly felt that when I left the theater. Indeed, I still do to this day. Kudos
Jan. 19, 2006, 3:41 a.m. CST
by Johnny Wishbone
... maybe this site should be renamed "AintItBullShit.com"
Jan. 19, 2006, 4:22 a.m. CST
The only thing bullshit about that transformers footage was the damage control after it's release
Jan. 19, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST
Nothing like following up a POS that nobody liked with another flop. Nice work.
Jan. 19, 2006, 8:03 a.m. CST
by Borgnine JR
Jan. 19, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST
...right next to Hulk 1. Seriously. The movie sucked. There's really no other way to put it. Some things are just not meant to be on the big screen...Oh and Fantastic Four? First time i've walked out of a movie in 10 years. Fucking ridiculous.
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST
Jan. 19, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST
by Pizza The Hut
McGEE MAKE HULK ANGRY!!! HULK SMASH AICN!!! RIP JACK!!!
Jan. 19, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST
Jan. 19, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST
Well, for one, bullets bounced off him for the first time in any live action incarnation of the Hulk. He ran from the army instead of a reporter. The guy leapt miles at a time instead of falling to his death from a helicopter. We had a faithful adaptation of the Betty and General Ross dynamic. An Elfman score that didn't sound like an Elfman score; a rare thing indeed. An amalgam of Sterns, Brian Banner, and Creel that didn't quite work out yet was inspired nonetheless (I would have preferred Nolte turn into buttock-headed version of the Leader). If you're truly a fan, don't get hung hung up on the comic panel trnsitions. In stead, get hung up on, "The madder he gets, the... bigger? ...he gets?"
Jan. 19, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST
I wonder who will win out, Lucas and his digital pioneering, or Spielberg and his refusal to shoot digital until the last photolab closes.
Jan. 19, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST
to read this again, just head over to the indiana jones thread
Jan. 19, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
The thing that did this movie in? It's wretched ending, if you could call it that. The Hulk was one of the rare occasions in my movie-going experience where everyone in the theater sprang up out of their seats way before the credits began to roll, as if the seat cushions were on fire, muttering, "Well, THAT sucked" on their way out.
Jan. 19, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
With his technophobic ass.
Jan. 19, 2006, 10:58 p.m. CST
The Hulk Dogs were a biological and symbolic progression of the Hulk process. Towards the beginning of the film, we see Bruce Banner unsuccessfully turn a normal bullfrog into a Hulk frog. The frog, of course, explodes, because it's missing Bruce's DNA. Later, we see David Banner turn a normal rat into a Hulk rat, successful because it was injected with Bruce's DNA. Then, we see the senior Banner turn normal dogs(including a harmless poodle) into marauding Hulk dogs, also injected with Bruce's DNA. What was next on the evolutionary scale? A man! Bruce himself, who, of course, becomes the Hulk. Then, further up this evolutionary scale, David Banner himself becomes a sort of Hulk, one who absorbs power(deliberately symbolic), an Absorbing Man if you will, who has also retained his intellect, to become almost like a god. In the end, David Banner has his wish, to "go beyond our God-given boundaries." But man is not God, and this destroys him in the end, just like it did the first bullfrog. For a brief moment, David Banner, the father of the Hulk, achieves god-like status by channeling the two greatest natural forces known to Man, nuclear physics and genetics. Both of these forces are aesthetically and symbolically portrayed in the film as either a mushroom cloud or a jellyfish. At the end of the film, above the desert lake, David Banner has physically become a representation of what he sought, power, through atomics and genetics, a strange giant morph of both a mushroom cloud and a jellyfish. And when the military drops a nuke on both Bruce and David, the father absorbs the released nuclear energy, perhaps inadvertently saving his son and destroying himself, releasing his energy back to God's universe, where it belongs. I'm sorry the many Hulk-haters could not see the utter brilliance of this film. James Schamus and Ang Lee have given us perhaps the deepest darkest most thoughtful film ever based on a comic book, next to Ghost World. Now, somebody ask me about the use of multi-frames in Hulk.(Now, I hear Sin City was real cool, but I imagine that's about all it is, cool.)
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
It was just gimmicky and obnoxious, just as it is in Phone Booth and 24. Sin City was a comic book with a pulse. The Hulk tried to look like a comic book by literally drawing comic book panels on he screen. It was ham handed and awkward.
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:08 p.m. CST
Besides the symbolic and philosophical representations of the Hulk dogs and David Banner's own transformation to something more than man, the Hulk himself needed a threat that could truly challenge and test the Hulk's power. Something that could truly put him in danger. The army is obviously no match for him, and David Banner realizes this. It's why he creates the Hulk dogs. Thusly, the only two times the Hulk is ever in danger is when he is threatened by things of a Hulk nature, namely the Dogs and David Banner himself. Kind of like the only thing that can threaten Superman is a piece of his past, Kryptonite. But in Ang Lee's Hulk, it makes more sense. The only thing that can pose any threat to Hulk, is another Hulk.
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST
On the surface, yes, the various multi-frames gave the "Hulk" film the appearance of a comic book page. But Ang Lee's true intentions go further than this. First, they represented the idea of transformation, of evolution, of morphing from one thing to the next. Yes, even the editing style of Ang Lee's film visually represents the philosophical ideas Mr. Lee is trying to express. Look at the birth scene, or that one strange gelatanous bubble frame that disappears into the next edit. The images in the film dissolve and evolve into the next, just like the idea of Banner evolving into the Hulk. An expression of how truly deep Ang Lee's film goes. Second, the multi-frames represent alternate ways of viewing things, different perspectives, different realities. It's a very metaphysical Eastern idea, difficult to put into words. But again, it's a visual editing representation of Ang Lee's Hulk idea, of not being static, but giving into dynamic movement. Again the idea of change, transformation cinematized. In TV's "24", I believe they only use split frame when two people are on the phone. I need to go back and check, but I don't think Ang Lee uses any split frames involving phone conversations. And if he does, it still is light years beyond what that stupid Keifer Sutherland series is doing.
Jan. 19, 2006, 11:36 p.m. CST
...it's there in all his work. "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" deals with a Chinese woman repressed by Chinese society. She finds her freedom though the Green Sword and martial arts. "Hulk" deals with the repression of the human body itself. Freedom is found by bursting free from that human shell, by becoming a Hulk who is as free as nature itself. Ang Lee also frees himself from cinematic repression through the film's innovative editing style, itself a visual cinematic representation of the Hulk's own transformation and freedom. "Brokeback Mountain" is about the repression of forbidden love, and its freedom is found atop a lonely mountain. Go through all of Ang Lee's films, you'll find this common thread. It's what makes "Hulk" more than just a silly action comic book movie.
Jan. 20, 2006, 3:36 a.m. CST
Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!
Jan. 20, 2006, 5:55 a.m. CST
while I hear exactly what you're saying. and I agree with it all, I must point out, for this viewer, the psychological context of the transitions was not subtle. It was blatantly laid on you and thrust in your face. That pissed me off. And I would like to see a Hulk Edit without all that crap. I'd like to see a Kong edit without all it's crap too.
Jan. 20, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST
by Drunken Rage
An amazingly stupid, pretentious movie. Hiring Ang Lee to direct was a reamarkably bad idea; the dissolves were gimmicky and trite; the Hulk CGI looked awful.
Jan. 20, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST
The part where he goes Hulk and starts to bust out of the bunker, you think "FINALLY, it gets good!" Then all that fucking split screen comic shit comes up... And nothing else happens.
Jan. 20, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
The tropical jungle is the antithesis of the American desert. While the desert is almost devoid of life, the jungle is teeming with it. The Amazon jungle, in particular, is a biological frontier. Its complexity of life and its medicinal secrets are only just being discovered. It's here, in this mysterious biotopia, that Bruce Banner may hope to find a cure for his personal curse that is the Hulk. Perhaps he will tap the secrets of some undiscovered Amazonian plant, or perhaps that of the mutating amphibian tree frogs(it's why we see that final shot of the frog on Banner's panama hat)? But I suppose if there will be a sequel, he will not find that cure. The jungle is a wild and savage unforgiving environment. In this way, it is much like the desert. And it is also here, that a Hulk could live free and untethered without having to worry about extensive property damage, loss of human life, or the U.S. Military. Bruce Banner chooses wisely in retreating to the Amazon. For cinematic purposes, it also provides a convenient and logical way to zoom out to the closing image of the Hulk's thematic color of choice: green.
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST
The flashbacks during this scene also indicate this, showing David kiss toddler Bruce on the head. Great post!
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST
Interesting take. I had thought Ang was calling back to the beginning of the film, where they had experiemented on a frog. Have to say I'm quite impressed with your detailed interpretations!
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST
If they have to make a sequel to that crap movie I hope they make it She-Hulk. That might be amusing at least.
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST
Jan. 20, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST
The Hulk movie was boring, which is the original sin of movie-making. My feeling is that they need to make it more "comic-book" by having a clear super-villain, like the the Leader. Anyway, I just found the movie to be dull. The parts where the Hulk finally lets loose and smashes tanks in the desaert were actually pretty great, but they came too late in the movie for me. I was practically asleep at that point, and I found the extensive childhood trauma background story to be pointless and ponderous. Sorry to those who disagree, but I was just not a fan of the film. Hope they can make the sequel more of a straight-ahead, exciting superheroic (antihero) action movie.
Jan. 20, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST
"desert", not "desaert". Oh, and the Fantastic Four movie was bad too, but at least it came across as a superhero movie, albeit a bad superhero movie. It too had its selling points, but its flaws were too egregious for me to have liked it. The worst element to me was the bastadization of Doctor Doom, who is perhaps the greatest of all comic-book villains. In the movie he is turned into a contemptible, whining, preening, yuppie asshole, whereas in the comics, he is a charismatic, tortured, powerful evil genius. Quite a contrast.
Jan. 20, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST
"bastardization", not "bastadization". Sorry.
Jan. 20, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST
The reason why hulk failed in the eyes of this site, was simple. you all wanted a slam bang action film which was what the TV show was. In other words a film with no story. Hulk goes on smashing spree and thats all. Well Ang Lee is not that kind of filmmaker. The story he made was a deep and intellectual about what happens when peeople mess about with nature. David Banner in the tv show was an obessive man who was grief stricken after the death of his wife in a car accident(murder would have been to dark for tv audiences). So he pushed himself too far and the result were catastophic. Looking back at the show which is very dated the hulk scenes are just an excuse for lou ferringo to looked ripped. If they are going to make another Hulk, they should at least try something other than a giant baby. Bana Wearing some sort of prosthetic rubber muscle suit or something, the movie hulk no 1 was a disaster.
Jan. 20, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST
A movie can have "slam bang action" AND have a story. Why is this hard to understand? They can be mixed, and mixed successfully. The point about Ang Lee's Hulk is not that it failed because it was "deep and intellectual" and had a theme; it was that this theme was presented in a manner that was, in many people's opinions, dull and poorly paced. A good movie could have been made that had action, good pacing, and an interesting theme about tampering with nature. The problem with the Hulk movie was that it was dull and poorly paced. I don't object at all to Lee's attempt to provide some depth to the Hulk story; I just do not think he pulled it off successfully. Just my own opinion.
Jan. 20, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST
I have noticed from time to time that this site is full of CBP. in short comic book purists. Any casting decision that is not what the CBP are looking then you get then there movie is going to suck. If the writer/director happens to be someone who the CBP dont like (brian singer) then the movie is gonna suck.This all before even one ounce of film has been shot. I saw the superman Returns trailer on the big screen and it had me drooling. That is the best place to see that trailer and not any apple site. I think maybe part of it is that the studios and CBP have different ideas about what there CBM should look like and who should star in it. Take x-men singer left to do superman and when Brett Rattner was announced as his replacement, this site went ape-shit. Look I didnt like the rush hour movies and chris tucker to me is an offensive jerk, so far I Like what i see in X-men 3, I was suprised and delighted by Red dragon. I thought opening of that was really well done as it explained why Hannibal was locked up and its not even in the book. The thing that was missing from the hulk movie was what made the tv pilot enjoyable and that was Horror, we all remember banners first transformation in the thunder and lighting storm. scary stuff banner was also a weed, and he used the Hulk as a way fighting back. But in the end it was hurting too many people and so Banner killed the Hulk. sadly as we all know Bixby died soon after. Speaking of superman I cannot wait to the george reeves bio-pic. I would love to see one of Bixby too. That guy had a sad life. I have always loved sci-fi but I am not a purist which means I can enjoy comic book movies whether they are good or bad.
Jan. 20, 2006, 10:21 p.m. CST
I go into hater mode just thinking about it. The worst thing is that it had an AWESOME trailer with him wigging out in front of the mirror ("and the scary thing is...I kind of like it...") and then you see his eye go green. The theater burst into screams. I couldn't have been happier. Then...the movie. The best thing about Ang Lee is his films are very atomospheric, you feel like you're really there. But when it comes to this thing I couldn't have been more removed. Bana sucked, I somehow didn't want to look at Jennifer and Nick Nolte didn't even seem to know where he was. The script was waaay too slow and then there's the CGI. God how I hate that CGI. I can't stand CGI haters either; I firmly believe its never enough to make or break a movie. If Jaws can be scary with that plastic ass shark surely a film can't be ruined by a little artificial looking computer graphics. God, was I wrong. That green Hulk thing was like watching Pete's Dragon or Mary Poppins or one of those Disney flicks with the animation overlayed and you have to pretend like its really there to keep watching - only it was worse. By the time it got to those dogs (which was...the FIRST action scene in the entire film?) I was ready to take every pill I owned (including some of my girlfriend's birth control pills and a handful of stool softeners) rather than admit I was alive in a world where such a film was possible. While leaving the theater I saw a priest sobbing uncontrolably on the curb outside. 'There IS no God. I feared it before but now I have proof because I have seen The Hulk!' he gasped between tears. 'It's okay..' I said pating his shoulder to comfort him. 'Get away from me! Just GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME!' he screamed running into the street. He was struck by a schoolbus full of make a wish children on the way to their last vacation at Disneyland. The vehicle skidded off the highway and burst into flames killing everyone. It was the worst thing I had ever seen. But it was still better than watching The Hulk.
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST
Jan. 20, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST
The truth lies somewhere between Chishu_Ryu and skoobyx.
Jan. 21, 2006, 1:42 a.m. CST
Succumb to me.
You Hulk hating ass wipes can suck it. The CGI Hulk is still the most photorealistic CGI character ever created. Anybody who says that The Hulk CGI sucked, just can't accept that ILM is still the King.
Jan. 21, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST
The 15 foot tall Hulk was perfect dammit! The Scene where The Hulk hammer throws the tank was one of the best things I have seen on film.
Jan. 21, 2006, 5:51 a.m. CST
one of the funniest things I have ever seen was the CGI version of the seventh voyage of Sinbad. from the day that I saw that accidently, i have hated CGI. I still do. The problem is Hollywood is Using CGI at the expense of proper story teliing. filmmaking used to be a craft. take set building. Now they can do that on computer. The exception was Gangs of New York.
Jan. 21, 2006, 7:41 a.m. CST
And Lavaman is blind. And doesn't understand physics, if his tank comment is anything to go by.
Jan. 21, 2006, 8 a.m. CST
...the most outstanding work by a creative artist or craftsman. In my filmic opinion, "Crouching Tiger", "Hulk", or "Brokeback Mountain" could be considered Ang Lee's ultimate masterpiece. Being a fan guy, I'll go with "Hulk". And scrumdiddly, in a Marvel Universe, what's physically improbable about a Hulk hammer tossing a tank? You confuse me...
Jan. 21, 2006, 4 p.m. CST
and scrumdiddly, you are a retarded douchebag.
Jan. 21, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST
I still remember Terminator 2 and Jurrasic Park as films that made an impression and marked the beginning of a new trend in visual effects. Both of them look dated now but the CGI add to the overall feel of the films tremendously. Its obviously best used to set off good story telling rather than cover the lack of it but it can frequently be stunning and now makes previously unworkable film projects viable (could LOTR really have happened without it?) You also have to consider digital editing techniques that erase, reverse and overlay etc. They can add subtle touches to a movie that often go completely unnoticed. emeraldboy is right about Gangs of New York. The backgrounds and fake aerial shot that reveal a two story high Manhattan really create an atmosphere without so much as a single dinosaur or giant insectoid alien. Scorsese (who envisioned the film back in the seventies) has said it was in part new technology that made him think it could at last be made. And, I may just be gullible but, I watched an entire season of Deadwood before I realized it was shot in a back lot and not out in the woods. Recently, I've enjoyed the look of Constatine, King Kong, The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes, some parts WERE muppets)Serenity (and that was on a budget)and even Underworld. But The Hulk looked embarassingly bad. Add that plodding story line, the complete lack of comic-booky fun, and the unecessary emotion and I was praying that a green painted Lou Ferrigno would show up. Either on screen, or in person so he could break my neck and in seconds I would no longer have to be watching The Hulk. My only regrets in the latter case would be the intense physical pain and my fear that in the afterlife I may be condemmed to a state of eternal torment that would involve being forced to watch The Hulk repeatedly. Or even just once. But its a risk I'd have been willing to take.
Jan. 21, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST
That is why Weta keeps stealing people from ILM. They can't cultivate their own talent themselves.