Herc's Top 10 Scripted Hourlongs of 2005!!
2005 was my first full year with a TiVo, which makes compiling a “best of the year” list a lot easier. Those who own the device know that it comes with a “season pass manager,” which forces subscribers to rank their favorite shows. (It demands this of us because sometimes “Survivor,” “The OC,” “Smallville” and “Alias” will all air in the same slot; when they do, TiVo forces you to choose which two you like most.) The TiVo, helpfully, even hangs on to a show’s rankings long after that show is cancelled.
I remind all that “The Wire,” “The Sopranos,” “The Venture Bros.,” “Da Ali G Show” did not air new episodes in 2005. I remind all others that if your favorite show is not on any of these lists, it was almost certainly number 11 on one of mine.
Peer now into the sickness that is my TV world:
10. The O.C. (Fox) The show I watched on Thursdays before “Survivor,” “Smallville” and “Alias.” Nowhere near as edgy as it used to be, but Rachel Bilson has grown almost as funny as Adam Brody, plus Marisa turned all lesbian early in the year!
9. Everwood (The WB). A cloying and maladroit hug-and-learn hour which inexplicably evolved into one of the most entertaining series on television. Less of those wacky motorcycle-riding seniors! More adventures of the mismatched Hannah and Bright. After “Tru Calling,” the most improved series of 2005.
8. The Inside (Fox). Tim Minear - one of the key architects behind “Angel” as well as the brilliant but short-lived “Firefly” and “Wonderfalls” – teamed up with writers Jane Espenson (“Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” “Angel,” “Firefly,” “Gilmore Girls”), Ben Edlund (“The Tick,” “Firefly,” “Angel”), Richard Hatem (“Miracles”) and Craig Silverstein (“The Dead Zone”) for a “Silence of the Lambs”-inspired psychological thriller about the FBI’s Los Angeles-based Violent Crimes Unit. It was sick and funny and weird and, had Fox introduced it after “American Idol,” it would by now likely be Fox’s highest-rated scripted series.
7. Six Feet Under (HBO). The best and most mature of the show’s five seasons saw Claire take a day-job, Keith and Michael start a family, Ruth come to terms with Crazy George, and Nate kill himself with extra-marital sex. The season finale, written and directed by series creator Alan Ball, gave each of the long-suffering Fishers happy endings, and reduced the Mighty Herc to a mighty blubbering pool of goo.
6. 24 (Fox). The Kim-free fourth season – which gave us Edgar Stiles and Charles Logan and “Behroooooz!” and Jack’s first meeting with Naked Mandy - did not offer the magnetic heights we associate with the first season, but 2005 gave us the first season of “24” that managed to hold its momentum across all 24 episodes.
5. Rome (HBO). One of the best period pieces I’ve ever seen on a screen of any size. Rich characters, propulsive plotting, tight dialogue, and everybody still believed that invisible people in the sky shaped our destinies. Idiot Romans. HBO announced over the summer that “Rome” would get a second season, but more recent reports have thrown the series’ future into question. Regardless, the slave girl taking Titus Pullo’s hand provided some kind of perfect ending.
4. Lost (ABC). One of the most frustrating shows I can’t stop watching. 2005 was not as good a “Lost” year as 2004, but 2005 saw the regulars covered in Leslie Arzt, it took us down The Hatch to The Button and the Blast Door, it introduced us to Hanzo and Mistereko and gave us that great flashback episode with the Tailies. My best advice to those who oversee the show? Less flashback, more stories explaining the Island, and more substantial conflict between the heroes. The flashbacks are great when they seem to offer clues as to what’s going on in the middle of the Pacific. (Was it really just a coincidence that guy-in-hatch Desmond met Jack back in the states?) When they don’t – as with the recent Locke, Kate, Hurley and Ana Lucia flashbacks – they just kinda feel like padding. If there really is a five-year plan, the creators might maybe consider telescoping it down to three years before viewers lose interest.
3. Gilmore Girls (The WB). Another series that started out great and grows richer and more accomplished with each succeeding season. Makes me laugh every week, makes me cry at least three times a year. Richard Gilmore’s realization that his betrayal of Lorelai may have irreparably harmed his granddaughter put a lump in my throat the size of an ottoman. And as much as I thought Rory’s quitting Yale was absurdly out of character, I do see now how it serves a bigger and much more important arc. It remains the funniest show in production, and you, gentle reader, should enjoy it while you got it. As the highest-rated show on the WB, it’s a lock to return next season, but mastermind Amy Sherman-Palladino has a new WB series due out next fall, and she may have to walk away as “Gilmore” showrunner.
2. Veronica Mars (UPN). Comedy, drama, action, adventure, romance, betrayal, intrigue and class-struggle tied up in tidy, easy-to-adore package. Loved this series last season when it mostly trafficked in stand-alone installments; love it way more now that the plotlines that run between episodes are more tightly woven together into a massively intricate whole. Love the Casablanci, and can’t wait to see what Beaver’s up to. Keith Mars is not only funnier than fellow TV daddies Jack Bauer and Jack Bristow, but he might turn out to be an even bigger badass. Novelist and “Cupid” creator Rob Thomas has officially now given us two of the best TV series ever made.
1. Battlestar Galactica (SciFi). Post-apocalyptic drama that works brilliantly on so many levels I can't keep track of them all. I remind readers that all 23 episodes of the regular series aired in 2005, from “33” and “Water” all the way to “Pegasus.” The endlessly mysterious Cylons - with their strange monotheistic religion, their bizarre reproductive agenda, their fearlessness, their invulnerability, their unpredictability – make for some of the most fascinating and complex villains ever engineered for any filmed entertainment, big-screen or small. Chief Tyrol and Sharon “Boomer” Valerii coming to terms with Sharon’s sleeper status made for one of the year’s most intriguing storylines. Introducing a second Sharon on Caprica was the definition of inspired. The evolving relationship shared by Bill Adama and Laura Roslin, the almost-retired military man and the schoolteacher suddenly charged with preserving what’s left of the human race, is world-class. Saul Tigh’s wife is hilarious. We’ve seen the first two episodes of 2006 (SciFi resumes colorcasting the series this Friday) and can tell you that there are a lot more surprises to come. Series mastermind Ron Moore, who served as a key player on “Deep Space Nine,” co-wrote “Star Trek: First Contact” and oversaw the first season of “Carnivale,” cements with this series his status as Grand Master Storyteller.
10. Scrubs (NBC)
9. The Comeback (HBO)
8. The Office (NBC)
7. Arrested Development (Fox)
6. Justice League Unlimited (Cartoon Network)
5. Wonder Showzen (MTV2)
4. Entourage (HBO)
3. Curb Your Enthusiasm (HBO)
2. Weeds (Showtime)
1. South Park (Comedy Central)
10. Breaking Bonaduce (VH1)
9. Kill Reality (E!)
8. My Life on the D-List (Bravo)
7. Blind Date (syndicated)
6. The Adam Carolla Project (TLC)
6. Survivor (CBS)
4. Real World/Road Rules Challenge (MTV)
3. Big Brother (CBS)
2. Project Greenlight (Bravo)
1. The Comedians of Comedy (Comedy Central)
10. Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson (CBS)
9. Jimmy Kimmel Live (ABC)
8. The Al Franken Show (Sundance)
7. Late Night With Conan O’Brien (NBC)
6. Late Show With David Letterman (CBS)
5. Iconoclasts (Sundance)
4. The Daily Show With Jon Stewart (Comedy Central)
3. Too Late With Adam Carolla (Comedy Central)
2. The Howard Stern Show (E!)
1. Dinner For Five (IFC)
Selected season-sets of Herc’s All-Time Favorite TV Shows!
$20.99 Rocky & Bullwinkle 1.x (26 episodes)
$20.99 Soap 1.x (25 episodes)
$20.99 The Bob Newhart Show 1.x (24 episodes)
$20.99 The Mary Tyler Moore Show 1.x (24 episodes)
$21.99 The Tick: The Complete Series (nine episodes)
$27.50 Twin Peaks 1.x (seven episodes) (-)
$27.99 Hill Street Blues 1.x (17 episodes)
$29.97 The OC 1.x (27 episodes)
$29.99 The Andy Griffith Show 1.x (32 episodes)
$29.99 Newsradio 1.x/2.x (29 episodes)
$29.99 The Rockford Files 1.x (23 episodes)
$29.99 ER 1.x (26 episodes)(+)
$29.99 Friends 1.x (24 episodes)(+)
$29.99 Cheers 1.x (23 episodes)(-)
$29.99 Columbo 1.x (nine TV-movies)
$29.99 South Park 1.x (13 episodes)
$29.99 Wonderfalls: The Complete Series (13 episodes)
$29.99 Aeon Flux: The Complete Series (10 episodes)(+)
$29.99 Curb Your Enthusiasm 1.x (10 episodes)
$31.99 Kung Fu 2.x (23 episodes)
$31.99 Taxi 1.x (22 episodes)
$31.99 The Larry Sanders Show 1.x (13 episodes)
$32.47 Seinfeld 3.x (23 episodes)
$36.99 Moonlighting 1.x/2.x (25 episodes)
$36.99 Undeclared: The Complete Series (17 episodes)
$36.99 The Simpsons 2.x (22 episodes)
$37.49 Futurama Vol. 2 (19 episodes)
$38.99 Lost 1.x (24 episodes)
$38.99 Battlestar Galactica 1.x (13 episodes plus 4-hour mini) (-)
$44.99 24 1.x (24 episodes)
$44.99 Northern Exposure 3.x (23 episodes)
$44.99 Angel 1.x (22 episodes)
$44.99 Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2.x (22 episodes)
$44.99 Veronica Mars 1.x (22 episodes)
$44.99 Gilmore Girls 2.x (22 episodes)
$44.99 The West Wing 1.x (22 episodes)(+)
$44.99 Fawlty Towers: The Complete Series (12 episodes)
$44.99 Northern Exposure 1.x (eight episodes)
$48.96 Freak and Geeks: The Complete Series (18 episodes)
$51.99 Oz 1.x (eight episodes) (+)
$52.99 Alias 1.x (22 episodes)
$53.99 Once and Again 1.x (22 episodes) (+)
$55.99 The Dick Van Dyke Show 1.x (31 episodes) (-)
$59.96 The Sopranos 1.x (13 episodes)(-)
$61.96 Deadwood 1.x (13 episodes)(-)
$74.99 Six Feet Under 1.x (13 episodes)
$74.99 Carnivale 1.x (12 episodes)(+)
$79.99 The Wire 1.x (13 episodes)(+)
$89.99 The Twilight Zone 1.x (36 episodes)
$80.99 SCTV Network 90 Vol. 1 (Nine 90-minute episodes)(+)
$96.99 Star Trek 1.x (29 episodes)
$111.99 Star Trek: The Next Generation 3.x (26 episodes)
$111.99 The Prisoner: The Complete Series (17 episodes)
$116.99 Star Trek: Deep Space Nine 3.x (26 episodes)
$149.99 Monty Python: The Complete Series (45 episodes)
$249.99 My So-Called Life: The Complete Series (19 episodes)(-)
(+) = price increased since last week
(-) = price decreased since last week
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Jan. 2, 2006, 12:06 a.m. CST
It's good Daily Show is on your list there with all the other fiction shows, cause that show is full of shit, and easily the most unfunny thing on TV.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST
i dig it, but it's starting to seem like dragon ball z. you know what's going to happen, or at least you want to know, but they just drag it the fuck on. that's called a soap opera, not a thriller.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:18 a.m. CST
because you're full of shit and easily the most unfunny thing on the internets. Aw, who am I kidding? There are a ton of people on the internet that are full of shit AND more unfunny than you. Deadwood was pretty great this year, too.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST
Thunderballs, John Stewart has repeatedly called the Daily Show "Fake News", so yes, it is fiction. And it has won the Emmy for outstanding variety, music or comedy series 2 years in a row, so you thinking it's unfunny is meaningless. Enjoy The O'Reilly Factor and have a nice night.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
by Toe Jam
because just saying "thunderballs" out loud makes me piss my pants with laughter. how cheeky.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST
by Bob X
That's true - unless you count the ENTIRE SECOND SEASON.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:32 a.m. CST
3 eps left, but it's my fault for coming late to the party. Still, I have to say as far as period dramas go, it doesn't hold a candle to Deadwood (which aired 13 episodes during 2005).
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST
Yhat's news to me, since it's constantly mentioned how it's an improvised show, with Larry David coming up with the basic plot line and what beats to hit in scenes, but the actors providing almost all of what their characters say by themselves.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST
I could be wrong, but haven't you always bashed it in the past. I made a top 10 list after the AFI made their list and I originally put Scrubs on there, but I've changed my mind. It definitely deserves top 10 half hour shows, but between only having half a season last year and the quality falling somewhat, I guess I had just put it on my list by default. I really like your unscripted list. Did you just remove Battle of the Network Reality Stars? Good move. It pretty much sucked and Breaking Bonaduce was great until he went to rehab. I thought rehab might be intense, but it ended up being quite the opposite. The weirdest thing about your lists is the lack of FX. Nip/Tuck is total crap now, but everything else is really good. Rescue Me was the best show on TV last year imho.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST
by Johnny Smith
1. Carnivale 2. Deadwood 3. Battlestar Galactica That's about it.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST
by ripper t. jones
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
A great show. You also can't go wrong with The Shield, The Wire, V. Mars, Lost and Curb Your Enthusiasm. All great shows. God do I need a DVR.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST
...how could you not mention the Michael episode, man? That was, by far, the most heinous offender this season. I have to say, I actually liked the Kate and Hurley episodes quite a bit (although I find it kind of hard to believe that the food Desmond had been living off of for years could be consumed in one night), so, I don't know.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST
by Spaz Medicine
The Comeback better than Scrubs? Weeds number two on the list???? I liked Weeds, but it cannot compare to shows like Arrested Development, The Office, and especially CYE. Weeds was quriky and fun, but there was nothing spectacular about it. The show simply hasn't been around long enough to reach the heights it is capable of. It was like Entourage from Season One. It showed promise, and like Entourage did, it will probably get better tenfold in season two if they do it right.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST
Someday I'll get around to trying this show again, but I find it really funny to see it on this list. Just a couple hours ago, you used Dawson's Creek to insult me and yet the creator of Everwood was the head writer on DC for several years. He turned DC into just another generic teen show after Kevin Williamson and Mike White had built such a great foundation for the show.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:14 a.m. CST
Could have fooled me.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST
Yeah if you're a fucking dittohead.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST
I like the OC as well but not enough to put it on this list (though they do get the hottest guest stars and recurring characters) I just wonder what BSG would be like on HBO. I think it would be legen andihopeyou'renotlactoseintolerantcausethenextwordis...dary.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST
No love for Carnivale here??? At all? Really? None for Threshold, possibly the most Whedon-esque of the non-Whedon shows? Speaking of Whedon-esque, no love for the best ensemble cast in ages over on Criminal Minds? Is the cast and writing on Everwood or The OC -really- sharper than the writing and cast on any of those three? Elsewhere, you have Blind Frickin' Date on the reality list but no room for the riveting and gritty as hell The First 48? Hell, cotton-candy reality stuff like Dog The Bounty Hunter or Overhaulin' make for better TV than Blind Date. Herc...get help...really.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST
It's much easier to rank this stuff when you have them separated by genre. So I redid my list like Herc's. SCRIPTED HOURLONGS: 1. Rescue Me 2. Lost 3. Grey's Anatomy 4. Veronica Mars 5. Shield 6. Gilmore Girls 7. One Tree Hill 8. Medium-----SCRIPTED HALF-HOURS: 1. Family Guy 2. Starved 3. Malcolm in the Middle 4. How I Met Your Mother-----UNSCRIPTED SHOWS: 1. RW/RR Challenge 2. Comedians of Comedy 3. Big Brother 4. My Life on the D-List-----TALK SHOWS: 1. Dinner for Five 2. Attack of the Show 3. Live with Regis and Kelly 4. Jimmy Kimmel Live
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST
by The Garbage Man
Herc, are you high? That show is a barren wasteland where no laugh dare tread.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST
But thank you for watching it anyway. There is no love for this show...
Jan. 2, 2006, 2 a.m. CST
Lost clearly deserves to be in the top 3, but good call on Battlestar Galactica. With the season 2 cliffhanger, and considering how uneven Lost has been lately, Battlestar's finally peaked past Lost to take the #1 spot.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
Sure, it has a lot of Hollywood truth going through it, and a lot of people mistake that for humor, but really it just hurts. But hey, to each his own.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST
by Don Lockwood
Do they even produce that show anymore? I watched it and enjoyed it, but I had to take it off the beloved TiVo because they reran episodes CONSTANTLY and never had info on when new episodes were coming. Oh, and what's the deal with no news on the fact that TRIO just friggin disappeared?
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:35 a.m. CST
Because unlike damn near every other fucking TV critic in North AMERICA! You, you, actually understood that the Rory story arc and the rift had a higher purpose. Halleufuckingjehah! South Park? It does have it's moments, but Trey and Matt really need to stretch their legs more. Casa De Taco did kick ass, but their are slowly confining themselves into a box. Nothing touches AD. Nothing.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:44 a.m. CST
LOST has had a stronger season so far than last season at this same point. The reason; MR. EKO. The thought that the Others, at some point, will have to deal with him. Makes me as giddy as Kristen Bell as she plots having a film career! Also, KCMOher, Everwood and the OC are better written than Threshold, Criminal Minds, or Carnivale. Carnivale suffered from dragging it out too long. Criminal Minds, nothing but another crime dealing with the torturing of women. Watch The Closer on TNT. It's a cop show with a WOMAN running things, and I'd rather see the Chief than Inigo Montaya any day of the week. No offense to your Threshold comment, but Joss would have never written anything as not-forth coming as Threshold. After watching four eps, I still had no idea what the hell was going on. Go watch Angel, Buffy, and Firefly to see how Whedon set the table. Bragga and Co. tried, but he had a great premise they could not follow through with. Again, with Everwood and The OC, Chris Platt and Rachel Bilson make those shows worth watching on their own, but that they are surrounded with a good cast and the best TV parents on while, TV. Does not hurt the greatness of those shows either. Mini-Lauren Graham rules.
Jan. 2, 2006, 3:40 a.m. CST
I didn't care for Veronica Mars, but she'd be a pretty good Supergirl.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST
by The Wrong Guy
THE GOOD: Curb, Office, Arrested, Scrubs, South Park, 24, Lost, SFU, Rome, Veronica Mars, Daily Show, Letterman, Conan, THE BAD: The O.C, Everwood, Battlestar Galactica, Jimmy Kimmel Live, Gilmore Girls. DON'T KNOW: The rest. Glaring oversights include The Shield, King of the Hill, Deadwood, Carnivale, and NCIS. My personal fave for the year, surprisingly, after a less-than-stellar pilot, is American Dad. It's a fucking great little gem of a show. Totally underappreciated. Or so says I!
I hope he meant that the first season and the first half of the second season of bsg aired...
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST
by hank quinlan
Really, once I realized Lost was all smoke and mirrors at the end of last season...I lost interest. They were just going to try and distract you but never really give you any answers. The most egregious offender was the episode where Charlie shot Ethan. It was so contrived I saw trouble. Then it just petered out with that lame finale that flashed back to what? People gettin on the plane. AWESOME! And the pseudo revelation of the ladder. OOOO a ladder! I gave it a chance for a few eps this season but after the flashbacks that literally were just showing things implied in previous flashbacks, I saw the handwriting on the wall. I was yelling about this since May. I'm really glad other people are starting to grumble about it. The sad part is they took an instant fan and made him hate the show. After the finale I predicted the show would slide downhill in viewership. Is the island backstory either so unready or simple that they cant give us more info? They tapdance around it with contrived frustrating moments that make you realize they dont have a show unless they do that. Look at Desperate Housewives. They at least explained the mystery and had an arc and people still watched it. Or the Wire. A slow amazing burn. By the way, the Wire beats any show on that list. Its the greatest show on TV. Want to see real writing? real direction? amazing acting? stunning revelations? The Wire. It makes the hair and my neck stand up its so good.
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:03 a.m. CST
by Andy Dufresne
Not even on the West Wing's worst day....
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:18 a.m. CST
by Bungion Boy
I work at HBO and have been assured that it will get a second season. I don't know where the rumors are coming from. Maybe they're just trying to build up hype. But I know for a fact it's coming back and that they've already started some production for Season 2. Just small stuff like locations and such. Don't worry. It will be back. Love me some Rome.
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST
The O.C. did not.
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:23 a.m. CST
How could you leave the Shat out to dry? BOSTON LEGAL is fabulous!!!
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:46 a.m. CST
Jan. 2, 2006, 6:25 a.m. CST
This show has made me laugh harder and more often than anything in a long time. For the uninitiated, I call it a cross between "South Park", "Bloom County" and Chris Rock's standup act. It is my number one scripted half-hour show. I agree with Herc on scripted hour long series: "Battlestar Galactica" is my number one pick for calander year 2005. "Hand of God" is fantastic.-----later-----m
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:42 a.m. CST
If they can keep this up, it will be the next Cheers/Seinfeld type long running sitcom. Lisa Kudrows show was the worst thing on tv.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST
If so, I'm as happy as a little girl sitting on a washing machine.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:55 a.m. CST
In less than three weeks 24, Lost, BSG and Veronica Mar will all be on air at the same time. TV HEAVEN!
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:11 a.m. CST
Now if only the various academies and guilds would see that there are (gasp!) other networks out there beside the big four and HBO.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST
But leaving Deadwood (flat out best show on TV. Period. End of story.) off the list is ridiculous. Not to mention The Shield, Carnivale, Rescue Me and the West Wing were, without question, better than anything you put 6 thru 10. The Inside had the potential to become a great show, but better than the Shield?, NFW. Six Feet Under was the fourth best hourlong on HBO this year, and while I agree that 24 was more consistent than the last 2 seasons (season 3 was a mess, season 2 was brilliant for the first 2/3 of the year, but really fell off in the third act), it still had a lot of the problems that have been plaguing the show since it's inception (lack of any real character development, cliche filled dialogue, ludicriously unrealistic leaps of logic, etc.).
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST
You're on notice!
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST
and infinitely frustrated that next week's planned TWO new episodes, have been delayed. I just hope we don't have to wait until June or the DVD release to finish the season. Anyways, tonight's episode is the first one written after the "cancellation", it's written by Hurwitz, it is roasting FOX, and Andy Richter is involved, that's all you need to know.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST
If they make some Andy Richter Controls the Universe reference tonight, or draw upon the parallel of how both shows had a character named Byron, I will officially call this show better than Seinfeld.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST
by Melvin Junko
Thank you for mentioning Rescue Me! One of the few reasons I still watch TV besides The Office, Earl, AD, L&:O SVU and NY Mets games. The Shield's pretty damn cool too.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST
Notice the conspicuous absence of the brilliant hour-long "The Shield" on his list. Not even the cheeky fun of Nip/Tuck makes it. Yet he has plenty of room for such miserable soap opera dreck as The OC, Everwood, and Gilmore Girls. Did someone have this guy neutered at some point? I don't get it. Anyway, you could not be more wrong and it's obscene you should leave "The Shield" off your list. I don't think we'll see David Mamet penning any episodes for The OC anytime soon, Herc. I guess that's not good enough for you. Have you ever even watched the show? How can you like shows like The Wire and Deadwood and not like The Shield? It's perplexing.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST
Uhm...no, it isn't, but I thought if I would tell you this, some more people would watch it.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST
And this is the truth! (Maybe THIS will convince some new viewers!)
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:02 a.m. CST
Don't know if it's true, but I do and you will love it too!
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST
by The Funketeer
Were any of us really surprised? It's really just a wrap up of the only shows Herc writes about on the site.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST
Seriously though - I thought DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES would get a nod from Herc - then again now I remember I think he hates the show. Well, I love that damn show and Marcia Cross deserves an Emmy.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:26 a.m. CST
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
I can't believe he'd put the OC above Rescue Me in any context.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST
Two new episodes of Scrubs!!!
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST
Too Late with Adam Carolla as the 3rd best talk show????? That show was a damn trainwreck that was almost never even slightly amusing let alone funny. I can't believe that Comedy Central put this shit on the air after Tough Crowd, a far better show in every way possible, tried and failed.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
Deadwood, My Name is Earl, and Rescue Me need to be on those lists. I came late to Rome, but I really enjoyed it. Everwood is better now but Top Ten?
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST
Let's have an over-under pool of how many potshots they'll take at Fox. At least they *gave* the show chance after chance to succeed, unlike Tru Calling, Wonderfalls, Undeclared etal (admittedly Tru was the only show of those three examples that I watched). Bet the over.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST
The Top 5 of that list is pretty good, however the bottom 5 stinks up the joint. Replace OC, Everwood, The Inside and Six Feet Under with Nip/Tuck, Rescue Me, Deadwood and Bones. The 1/2 hours need a little work, too. Out with The Comaback and Wonder Showzen and in with My Name is Earl and Family Guy. You can thank me later, Herc.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST
I think not!
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST
Currently airing on History Channel International. "The Trench" is better than all the other unscripted shows you listed. The show is friggin' AMAZING.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST
by Elmore Rigby
If it is so good, why haven't I seen it... a) on ANY other critics top ten lists b) on ANY lists of the highest rated cable shows c) on any lists of best-selling tv shows on DVD d) nominated for any Emmys So nobody likes it but you, it makes no money, and doesn't win any awards...yet it is better than 24, six feet under, and Lost, which all accomplish all of the above?
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST
i agreed with most of herc's list, except for those shows which ain't in the UK (veronica mars, everwood, the inside, gilmore girls, etc) and those i haven't seen (six feet). actually, that leaves about 4 which i agree with (lost, the OC, BSG, and 24. the one i really don't get is Rome. it's okay but really i agree with the guy who said that Deadwood was better (and Deadwood ain't even a top 10 show for me). and where the fuck is herc's love for House? as for Threshold, it's a shame that it folded. They're halfway through the season here in the UK and, while i don't think it's very whedonesque (a common failing in many shows), it is more than minimally entertaining plus it has Carla Gugino in it. Not top 10 but, hey, there's a lot of worse shit on tv.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST
....yes, it is better than all three of those shows.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST
... that being, that the hour-long dramas are somehow more important than comedies. why else write up paragraphs on one and just list the other? Get to explaining your opinions of the sitcoms, you lazy lazy man. and while you're at it, see if you can even rationalize how a person COULD come up with 10 reality shows they thought were decent. Two, three tops.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST
Glad to see some animation on the half hour list, but what about Family Guy? Oh, and Scrubs is 10,000 times better than the Comeback. The Comeback only deserves to be in the "Worst of the Year" list.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:56 a.m. CST
Get this about your rantings against the show: "We. Don't. Care. What. You. Think." you're obviously politically biased not to see what a funny show it is. Hell, if the republicans could come up with something funny (intentionally that is, not the "Brownie you're doing a heck of a job" type quips) I'd acknowledge it.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST
a) because you haven't looked hard enough; there are numerous critics who list it as a favorite show. b) because ratings do not equal quality. c) because the Emmy voters are notoriously out of touch. Anytime a great show turns lousy, that's when it starts winning Emmys from people who aren't paying attention and don't realize the show jumped the shark long ago, back when they were ignoring it. Plus, science fiction will win Emmys around the same time a black lesbian atheist gets elected president.
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST
by Nate Champion
Gilmore Girls... Lost... The O.C... and yet no Shield or Rescue Me? What the fuck is going on here?
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST
I mean, I have to agree with an earlier poster, the OC this year was not better than West Wing, which was better this year than the last couple. No House? No Prison Break? And as much as it saddens me to say it... No ER? (Not a big fan myself, but it is consistant, and consistantly good.) Plus you made BSG number 1, and the second season has been a major letdown when 24, Rome and Lost have all been top notch? This is why people shouldn't do top 10 lists, and why figure skating, gymnastics and most X-games events are not sports. Too much subjectivity in the grading. It was a nice try, maybe next time you can throw us some Lost spoilers and less lists.
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST
by Charlemagne 2.0
"8. The Inside (Fox). Tim Minear - one of the key architects behind
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
As if most 'reality shows' aren't scripted. And at one point early on I really thought it was just a fad. Sigh.
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST
Don't deny it.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST
All you Leftists are so full of shit. Jon Stewart is like the Dennis Miller of the Left, that is, he's not funny, cause all he cares about is making fun of the other side of the aisle. Now, even on his worst day, Dennis Miller scrubs the floor with that midget Jon Stewart, but he is not nearly as funny as he used to be. Jon Stewart, unfortunately, was never funny. His delivery is annoying, he laughs at his own awful jokes, and employs some of the worst "comedians" to do bits on there. But really, I wonder how many of you Leftists would love Stewart if he was using his "sharp wit" to scathe the Left? My bet would be none of you, for however much you criticize me for not liking the show cause I'm a conservative, the ONLY reason you all like the show is cause Stewart is a flaming Liberal. I doubt any of you would be calling Stewart a genius if he held Dennis Miller's views. The fact is Jon Stewart is just not funny, he is boring, cause you always know where his jokes are headed, that is, the most obvious place imaginable, cause the guy and his "writers" have no imagination. That's what happens when you target your "comedy" against only one set of politicians for the most part. Eh, what's the point? If Stewart keeps all you little brainwashed Liberal sheep happy in the sense that you are so much better than your brethren on the Right, so be it. Keep living in the false utopia your small brains maintain for you. Liberals are so much better than everyone else! Just keep repeating that to yourself, and maybe it will come true, you know, once your heroes Stalin and Hitler come back from the dead.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST
isn't it so much easier to hate "them"? i know thinking is hard, but i believe in you. not the Right-Wing Monster that wants my children to go to school to pray and engage in colonialist tactics in foreign affairs. I don't believe in the beast that ultra-liberals tell us about. you know, the one that claims to want less gov't, but turns around and-- well, you know... as for "utopia", by definition, it is a falsity. it's Greek for "No Place".
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST
Stewart took the reigns of the DAILY SHOW over in 1999 and promptly started hammering on the Clinton administration. The show was rough on Al Gore and his presidential campaign as it was to the Kerry campaign in `04. The fact is that the show is driven by current events and when you have one party in control of two of the three branches of government (and trying to stack the third in their favor), they're the ones who are going to be in the gunsights if the satirists. I would be all for the DAILY SHOW hammering on more democrats. That would just mean that the Dems would be in power.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST
I wish people would stop complaining about how dragged out Lost is and how unnecessary some of the flashbacks feel. How is just about EVERY 20+ episode season show NOT like this??? I think people sometimes forget what kind of show they're watching. This is perhaps the fault of the Lost producers who created a mostly 'unsafe' first season but now have to put the show on a safer path if they want it to run to say 6 seasons. Also, I think some of the flashbacks are more essential than some people can get their head around. We need to know as much of the important characters' backgrounds as possible for future revelations to have any impact. For example, I think many people know (or at least can assume) that Locke's father is going to turn out to be an extremely important figure on the show, which is why Locke's flashbacks are important. The flashbacks make you care about the character. Personally, I hope we get some more airport/plane flashbacks, possibly from someone elses perspective, Mr. Ecko for example. As for Galactica, I think the first season was better than what we've seen so far in the second. They've thrown a few stupid balls in the air in season 2 IMO. They better be good at juggling or else they'll all come crashing down. And YES Galactica is a lot better than many shows that make it into the top ten of critics lists.
Jan. 2, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST
Thunderballs, I forwarded your post about John Stewart to the Academy of Television Arts and Sciences. After reading with your well written, articulate, thought provoking email, they have decided to rescind Mr. Stewarts 2 Emmy's for best Comedy. They beg your forgiveness and ask you to apologize to Dennis mIller on their behalf. I also fowarded your post to the millions of John Stewart/Daily Show fans around the country, who thank you for helping them to see the light. They have all decided to turn off the Daily Show and watch Dennis Miller in "Joe Dirt" on dvd every night at 11:00 from now on. After forwarding your post to Comedy Central, they have decided to cancel the Daily Show, their highest rated show, and run old Weekend Update Sketches from the late 80's instead. Thank you Thunderball, we are all grateful to you. Especially Dennis Miller, who can honestly use the publicity right now. P.S. You forgot to call John Stewart a Kyke. That might have helped your argument.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...first, Elmore? Battlestar Galactica was the number one show on the Time list of best shows this year. Oh, and Newsweek. Oh, and the two TV Guide critics listed it as, respectively, number one and number three on their lists. And yeah, I could list a whole bunch more, but once you've stacked Time, Newsweek and TV frakking Guide even someone who cries in churches where weddings have been should get the point. Heck, even Jonah Goldberg, the conservative hack who wrote a whole book arguing that fascism was a product of the politics of the left, called Battlestar Galactica the best show of the year. Which brings us to you, Thunderballs. Oh, Thunderballs. Stewart savaged the Clintons while Bill was in office. So, like the administration you love so much, you are distorting the truth. You know, much of what Stewart has done in connection to this, the most corrupt, incompetent and dishonest administration of this century (and watch out, US Grant, they're coming for you) has to do with the simple juxtaposition of what Bush and the boys said at some point in the past with what they are saying now. Letting someone's own words define them (besides being funny and sad) actually follows the Biblical dictum that "by their fruits shall you know them". I also note that, like old Jonah (who, by the way, loves Battlestar Galactica, which proves that old saw about a stopped clock) you imagineer Hitler somehow being linked to the left. Now I'm not sure if you believe that (if you are the dupe) or if you're repeating it as part of the popular right wing sport of repeating silly lies so many times you get some folks to believe you. But just in case you are so poorly versed in history and so unread as to be the sort of dupe who believes this, I suggest you read some books on the philosophy of government. Pay special attention to the relationship between the people and the state, and the relationship between government and business. Then you won't sound quite so hmmm...young when you post your thoughts in a public forum.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST
The LA Times Emmy message board (The Envelope Forum - http://tinyurl.com/agbxu) has a thread where you'd be surprised at just how many best 10 lists the show wound up on. For very good reason, I might add.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST
please. do it. permenantly. THAT would make tv worth talking about.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
Is that it skyrocketed in popularity after the 2000 elections, meaining people tuning in missed it when it was making fun of the democrats. Thunderballs seems to be imagining that the Daily Show is reporting the news, or even trying to be informative about it, they aren't, they're making fun of the news. Its not making news, its not political commentary, its not reinforcing or booing, its simply guys making yuk yuks of whats in the news. The guys who make the news are in the news, and the guys who are in the news are the target of the joke makers, simple as pie. So they aren't "targetting" the left, they're targeting whoever is in the news, and as much as you might want to imagine that that requires some odd obligation to create equal coverage, it doesn't. Though anyone as sensitive about their worldviews as Thunderballs are liable never to be able to enjoy it anyways, of course you'll miss the joke when you're just sitting around stewing under the misguided pretension that you're the target of it.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST
I wonder if he posted just to get attention. In addition to being on the critics' lists just mentioned, it was also nominated for 2 emmys and the miniseries was nominated for 3 emmys. I think the show is overrated, but it is damn good for what it is. It has the potential to be the best show on tv, but it never lives up to it's potential. It probably belongs on my list of best hourlongs, but it disappoints me so much that I feel there's at least 8 better hourlongs on tv.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Herc, you like candy a lot. Nothing wrong with candy, but watch out it doesn't rot your mind. Although kudos for not getting gushy over Top Model, as so many in the press have done this year. And I too posted a top ten on one of the talkbacks recently. And although I stand by my opinion that The Wire is the best show currently on television, after watching Deadwood and Battlestar Galactica front to end over the last month or so...maybe Galactica deserves number one.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...just to make that last post make some sort of sense.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST
The wonderful thing about The Daily Show is that it makes fun of anybody deserving of it. It matters not if a person or organization is left or right, blue or red. If you look, sound or act like an idiot Jon Stewart will call you out.
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST
by Ace Hunter
5)L O S T - downhill since the '04 episodes, but hopefully the tailenders will bring new life to the show; 4)Deadwood - once Swearingen passed the kidney stone from Hell and was up and around the show was as great as the first season; 3)The Sheild - never did I think the black guy from Kangaroo Jack could pull off such a cold, frightening character; Glen Close t'weren't bad either; 1)&2)TIE between Carnivale - just as slow as LOST except no wasted moments or redundant expostion; beautifully creepy with cinematography, writing, and directing far superior to many feature films; AND BSG - lacks the visual flair of Carnivale but makes up for it in story pacing; not only good sci-fi but good solid storytelling. Now...had The Wire been on this year this would have been a "top 6" list with The Wire at #1. Didn't do a top 10 because there were no other hour-long shows that I thought were good (except maybe Rome which I never did finish).
Jan. 2, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I've got to disagree with you about Rome, though I probably would have agreed with you while watching the first two or three episodes, back when I thought it was trying to be a serious depiction of/commentary on Rome on the brink of the fall of the Republic. By the end of the series (and yes, especially as Octavia turns into the Empire bicycle and culminating with Pullo in the arena)I realized this was upscale HBO style Caligula and not big budget I Claudius and just sat back for the ride. Can't wait to see it all again DVD style. I say Herc got Rome about right, somewhere between 4 and 7.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:09 p.m. CST
by Elmore Rigby
It's on Friday nights! When normal people like myself are out socializing (meeting new people, spending time with friends) rather than plopped on the couch living in a sci-fi world.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...know when season three of The Wire is coming out on DVD? I need me my Omar.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST
by Nice Marmot
. . . do any of these people actually have time to shower or dress & undress or leave their dwellings? How can anybody watch so many damn movies & TV shows? Must be nice.
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
It plays again on Mondays. Oh, and plus, there's these things they invented, called VCRs, where you can record something and watch it when you want. Oh, and there's this other thing they invented, called DVD players, and they put lots of episodes of shows on these little discs (they're shiny and have pictures...you'll like them)so you can watch things you hear are good. Maybe try the shows all the critics are putting on their top ten lists. Oh, and there's this thing called TIVO, which makes it really super easy to record anything on TV anytime, and then you can...well, get one of those friends to help you...surely one of them will know how to work it. So anyway, since you also missed virtually every critic in America putting BSG somewhere on their top ten list, is Friday your reading night, too?
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST
Trust me that's the best way to watch it. And did you know that if you play Dark Side of the Moon backwards while watching an BSG, it is really annoying?
Jan. 2, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST
Good call on the Late Late Show. I wasn't sure about Craig Ferguson, knowing him only from the Drew Carey Show, but he's a brilliant with a live crowd, and he's the only late-night host who opens with a real monologue and not just a series of unrelated jokes. Now what about My Name Is Earl?
Jan. 2, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST
who really watches this crap?
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST
Anyone else up for a littler shag and bag down at the Mobley Hotel? We could take the Comedy Jitney...
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST
i.e.: shit. US Office better than Scrubs? No Deadwood? Earl? Eesh.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
But regarding Earl, could simply be that he didn't want to list a show that hasn't completed at least one season (remember Earl is only 10 episodes old).
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
The lack of Deadwood anywhere in the top ten is...odd. Now, top tens are random and highly idiosyncratic things (for instance, my favorite show, The Wire, wouldn't have been in my ten after its 1st and 2nd seasons, because in the ads it looked like yet another police procedural and so I had to be mugged by friends to give it a chance) but no Deadwood anywhere is strange.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST
Apparently the Catholics got pissed and Comedy Central buckled under the pressure. South Park finally censored. This is a sad day, indeed.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST
by Jack Burton
2005's season of The Shield was the best one yet and the only shows that beat it for me were 24 and BSG. Like everyone else I'm just glad rerun hell is ending and BSG, 24, Lost, The Shield and yes, Invasion are coming back. Am I the only one that watches Invasion? I think it's a great show, more like a novel then a TV show. Hopefully it will not get the axe.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
I think I missed that episode. They made them pull it? So all of the Catholic Church has more power than Tom Cruise? Wow.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST
tubby_bitch, you are dead on. First season of the OC WAS good. Second season was ok. This season is just terrible. Cliches everywhere. It is just not good stuff. In regard to South Park rerun being pulled, it's not like Parker and Stone censored it, and this could be an unrelated pull (although it probably isn't). The Catholics however don't want this episode available AT ALL. They don't want it even released on the DVD. So if Comedy Central doesn't put the episoe on the DVDs, then it's time to start worrying, although that point will be awhile.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:50 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
Yes. No actually, I caught it a few times but just couldn't get into it. There's a little hottie in it though.
Jan. 2, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
That's why God and Al Gore invented the internet.
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
They got away with an episode that suggested all priests molest children and that the Catholic Church is ruled by a giant spider but an episode that was mostly poking fun at 12 step programs but had a new pope make the dumbest old joke in the world about women bleeding was too much? This could serve as inspiration for an episode as to just how misplaced the priorities of the Church are.
Jan. 2, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST
Haha that is awesome. The lack of FX shows kind of puzzles me, but hey, it's your list.
Jan. 2, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST
people bitch for not providing spoilers but those impatient fucks should just realize that this is tv and we get a whole hour of most of this shit every week, with occasional breaks.... when movies are 2 hours you wait for once every few years you want information, with tv you should just wait and discuss/enjoy it as it goes.... THAT SAID.... this was a good list, can't say i agree with everwood and gilmore girls and even the oc, even though i watch thme regularily (and have watched every oc since the beginning--when it was its best, now its just 'nice' to catch when a new one comes out). I would have added Rescue Me for sure, as it would be tied for 1st with (OH SO APPROPRIATELY) battlestar galactica... both shows do so many things in so idfferent but great ways. The writing is solid and always interesting and they can make you laugh, cry and be filled with suspense on the edge of your seat in a single episode... i have to say rescue me was a huge oversight on this list, as it has been incredible this season, and the humor has gotten even better. Alot of people say nip/tuck deserves a spot but only because it was breakthrough for FX and the world of TV in general.... its now gonna be seen as profitable to make an offbeat show on a cable network--not just admirable. Nip/tuck is fantastic and i love everything about it but the finale just didn't do it for me, and in my book--TV is defined by finales.... if the season has set it up, a finale should be better than most movies if you love the show.... i felt nip/tuck's was weak and not even close to the best of the season.... which would have to make me leave it off as a 'best season' candidate.... but as a show, i think it still stands as one of the better ones. Good list, don't agree, but agree 100 percent on 7 out of 10, which is damn impressive.
Jan. 2, 2006, 6:55 p.m. CST
PRISON BREAK IS OK... at best... its entertaining but its cheap as fuck and does not in any way deserve to be on any list that should be rewarding QUALITY tv.... it can't hold a candle to 24 and doesn't tackle ANY of the interesting subject matter that it could.... people love that show too much. House is fantastic, but soley for the acting, and good writing, but there's no real plotlines there and i think quality tv should have that... tv's a medium where you can stretch stuff out and tell some really great stories that tell alot about a whole bunch of bigger issues of a time period... thats why Rome, Rescue Me, Battlestar, Wire, Sopranos, Nip/Tuck and Over there wlll be WORTH WATCHING years from now... lets hope lost will be. But shut the fuck up about prison break already.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7 p.m. CST
i agree with whoever said you can't rate the oc above rescue me in any context, period. rescue me dominates it in humor, drama, plotlines, chacter DEVELOPMENT, and subject matter.... it also has way more balls... the difference is, the OC started out as a show that might be valuable 5-10 years from now.... where it stands right now, it could be as forgotten as dawsons creek, which is a shame, cause those first 7 episodes had a shot at something... its still damn entertaining today, but in a few years........
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST
...but damnit it looks like shit on my cable companies feed of the Sci-Fi channel. Wish I had UNIVERSAL HD.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:06 p.m. CST
by Jimmy Jazz
I'm surprised. That shows seems right up Herc's alley. I love it and I normally HATE doctor/medical shows. Anyway, BSG and Veronica Mars owns all your asses.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST
easily the funniest show on tv, with curb and entourage right behind. i swear im not a plant from hbo either.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST
Oh, please let it go. The show STUNK, it wouldn't have mattered WHERE it aired, it still would've STUNK with completely implausible characters and so-called plot twists, as well as a lead who had less acting range than your average sock puppet. I can forgive The OC, because although I can't stomach it, I can sorta see why some people would enjoy it. But The Inside was a full-fledged flop of mammoth proportions, with nothing whatsoever redeeming about any of the characters or potential plotlines. A show without a single character any rational person could relate to, regardless of who is writing it, is never going to grab anybody. Easily the worst work those otherwise extremely talented people ever did.
Jan. 2, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST
I see the word "colorcast" creeping into more articles here. A bit anachronistic to say the least.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST
Only Liberals find Stewart funny, and we all know that Liberals don't have a sense of humor, cause they are so easily offended by everything. Stewart fits in with their world view because of his safe, easy comedy. And really people, if Tom Brokaw and Tim Russert think someone is funny, just run the other way. Anyone who is accepted by the media establishment is a raging phony, just like Stewart. The guy is an opportunist who had to take over someone else's show cause his own lame attempts were utter failures. And Colbert? Wow, he is so funny, look, he has a serious expression and demeanor as he relates these cRaZy stories!!! What genius!!! You see, that's FUNNY!!! I'm glad all the retards have something to keep them docile. Keep drooling as you watch Stewart.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST
Like anyone actually gives a rats ass: 1) 24, 2) Lost, 3) Deadwood, 4) Rescue Me, 5) Carnivale, 6) Battlestar Galactica, 7) Rome, 8) Over There , 9) The West Wing, 10) Doctor Who, 11) Alias, 12) Nip/Tuck, 13) Scrubs.
Jan. 2, 2006, 8:47 p.m. CST
by Everett Robert
and I love the Daily show because I don't see it as a) a news show and b) a political show. I've been watching since 99. I remember Steve Carrell and Steven Colbert (Even Steven) and Lewis Black and Beth Littleford (sp?). It is a show that has poked fun at the establishment and has then become part of the establishment. I don't think it is as funny as it was in those first days of Jon Stewart (never saw it with Craig Kilborn). Yes once in awhile they score something really funny and relevant (like Beth Littleford's interview with Jesse Ventura when he ran for Govenor, everyone thought it was a joke and ignored it, the Daily Show was his first national televsion interview as a canadatie) but it's rare, they are there to make me laugh at the end of the day. I can look past Stewart's politics to see some really funny work. If you want to talk about someone whose politics have clouded their "humor" it's Bill Mahar. he's still funny but not as in the early days of PI. One person I'd really like to see do some work on the Daily Show is PJ O'Rourke. I don't know if his humor would translate to televison but his writing as always made me laugh. Again Thunderballs, yes Stewart and most of his staff are liberals but they made just as much fun of Clinton and Gore and Kerry and others.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
They did a survey about a year and a half ago and the results were that viewers of The Daily Show were better educated and had higher average incomes than those who watched Fox News or listened to Rush to the Drug House. Funniest of all was that in a five question survey of knowledge of current events Daily Show viewers averaged close to four correct answers while viewers of Fox and listeners to Rush both scored under TWO. Which means that while you're sitting in your stained jockeys, eating a peanut peanutbutter and banana sammich and drinking a cool Coors Light, watching Sean Hammity to see if he's finally going to pull a Jabba The Hut and gobble down that little Fox pet liberal he keeps on a chain, we're laughing at you. Why? Because you're dumb. And poor. And a dupe for rich men who...wait for it now...are laughing at you too. Which is kind of sad. But also kind of funny, if you have a sense of humor. You got one, Ditto?
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:05 p.m. CST
by Bass Ackwards
If it inspires oddly angry tirades like Thunderball's its gotta be on the right track. I mean its one thing to not like a show, its a whole nother to imagine it in angry rants about one's myopic view of the world (as tinted through their even smaller political spectrum). I'm sure it'd be a laugh to find out all the other things evil, retarded liberals are the cause of in Thunderball's eyes. And Everett, don't confuse the guy, he's obviously already comfortable in having established how the two, and only two, kinds of people in the world act and think, don't shake that up too much.
Jan. 2, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST
It amazes me how they got all that stuff in so fast. All the stuff about how "we're not relatable enough" and the HBO and Showtime stuff. The digs at their casting of Charlize Theron. Even the Desperate Housewives joke (it's second) was a good topper. I laughed so hard I cried. I'm surprised they didn't use that line either.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
Other than to say that the world isn't neatly divided into "left" and "right", you simpleton. And of course people who watch the daily show are better educated than the Dittoheads. They needed a study for that?
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST
fuck that you are on notice..And -10 for no Colbert Report and Carolla over The Daily Show, seriously wtf man please say they are listed in no particular order...And eat a dick Thunderballs The Daily Show pokes at those in power period, wake up yourself sheep..
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
It was a huge survey of all sorts of media outlets. The only reason it got any press was because O'Reilly over at Faux had just done a hit piece on The Daily Show in which he basically said everyone who watched it was a pothead loser. The study came out the same week, and so it got a lot of play. And Pru...yeah, really...The Carolla Show beating anything. Carolla sounds depressed to be there far beyond what his usual style would indicate is for his demo, and watching him wait for the laughter that's not coming is just painful, with or without the studio audience.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
A lot of their comedy is based on simply playing unaltered videotape of some jackass politician making a fool out of himself with his own words. And many of the clips, I've never seen on even the "liberal" CNN. When the Democrats get into power, they'll make fun of them too. People like Thunderballs, who can only see this country in terms of elephant or donkey, are a huge part of the problem.
Jan. 2, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST
The hell? You pick ROME over Deadwood. Probably the most glaring error you'll ever make. What? You didn't get your review discs? I would be really interested in hearing your reasons for this HUGE faux pas. PLEASE.
Jan. 2, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST
wixmmm wrote: "House is fantastic, but soley for the acting, and good writing, but there's no real plotlines there and i think quality tv should have that..." From where I sit, House features significantly MORE in the way of story arcs and character development than your typical police/medical procedural (and the overall quality of said elements exceeds some shows I could mention that spend a lot more overt time on such things). Every good "formula" show (aka monster/mystery/murder of the week) develops a "mythology" in order to increase longevity. What distinguishes House is that while most shows of its type bring out "mytharc" moments/episodes in sporadic flashes over the course of each season, House keeps the story/character-development arcs at a constant low boil, ratcheting up the intensity periodically. Even when not concerned with a full-blown story arc (like the Vogler arc in S1, or the tango presently going on between House, his ex, and her husband), it's uncommon for an episode of House NOT to touch on some recurring plot/character issue in some significant way. The effect is cumulative, with characters that have psychological depth, and grow and change as the series progresses. Events and choices leave a lasting imprint. Seeds are planted, nourished, then their fruit is reaped. In spite of the "medical mystery of the week" aspect, this is a show where history matters. That's what keeps me coming back -- the clever medical mumbo-jumbo is just gravy, as far as I'm concerned. In short, when it comes to "real plotlines", I'll take House any day of the week.
Jan. 3, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST
Man, I wish it were better. Not too shabby but sadly, not worth being on any list. You always want to pull for people like Ricky. http://www.vongo.com - where do you Vongo?
Jan. 3, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST
They were basically the same. They say something that's supposed to be a joke, and then try to pretend people are laughing. At home, we chuckle sadly that their studios are dead silent.
Jan. 3, 2006, 1:33 a.m. CST
DENNY CRANE, DAMMIT!!!!
Jan. 3, 2006, 1:54 a.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
I scored 3 out of 20 on the "I watch the same shows as Hercules" quiz. Lost, Arrested Development and JLU. *** Did any of you know that the TV series Lost has been discussed on the Internets? I'm assuming that for the people who can't spell Mr. Eko's name - or think it's witty to deliberately misspell it - that the answer is no. *** shows I like that I can't really claim are top ten material: Grey's Anatomy (a soap that actually does regularly make the neilsen top ten), The Boondocks, Boston Legal (very uneven this season - give Alan Shore back his balls). Shows I can't believe aren't on everyone's top ten as the best shows on TV: House, M.D. and The Venture Brothers. *** Invasion starteed very badly and improved greatly over the season so far. Show I hope makes it to DVD: Hot Properties (RIP). A fairly mundane mainstream sit-com, but hey, I enjoy looking at beautiful women.
Jan. 3, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
He always runs while others walk He acts while other men just talk. He looks at this world, and wants it all, So he strikes, like Thunderballs. He knows the meaning of success. His needs are more, so he gives less. They call him the winner who takes all. And he strikes, like Thunderballs. Any woman he wants, he
Jan. 3, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST
Wow, Napoleon Park, in one post, managed to get more laughs than years of the Daily Show. Amazing. Seriously though folks, now the Liberals are not only saying I am dumb for not liking the Daily Show, but now I am POOR as well. A Liberal making fun of someone for being poor? Will wonders never cease? The only people I know who like the Daily Show are people who think Anchorman was funny. Now that is sad, so so sad. In any event, I am glad something can put a smile on a Liberal's face. As I have said before, they are the biggest sore losers, biggest whiners, biggest complainers, biggest sourpusses. "Oh global warming, we're going to die, oh global cooling, we're going to die, oh no, you're pissing off terrorists by killing them, we're going to die, oh no, you're drilling for oil where a poor little hamster lives, we're all going to die." I think the height of comedy is when Stewart shows a clip of Bush making a gaffe. That is so funny. Not at all tired or old or obvious. Look, the President is a douchebag!! Isn't that funny? Tell me, does Jon Stewart ever have to come up with new material? Not funny, just new. I don't watch the show, but I can just guess what kind of jokes Stewart told about Harriet Miers----she's old, she dresses funny! Man, that is good stuff. Tell me Liberals, why is Dennis Miller not funny anymore?
Jan. 3, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST
What is it you want to hear? Oh right i forgot you want someone to walk that line and stay on message like you...OK wait for it...It's coming Thunderballs, one sec...would you please get Rush's dick out of your mouth...Alrighty here it is..."Whine whine, I hate Dennis Miller because he supported the initial invasion of Iraq based off the premise that there were weapons of mass destruction...I live my life in terms of black and white, whine, whine, whine....." There does that make you feel better? LOL you truly are a sheep Thunderballs...what else would you like to discuss? Your posts are weak and worn out..please find better material...Improve your kung fu or take it elsewhere...
Jan. 3, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST
her whole life she has been the smartest can do anything kid. She questioned herself on the harvard thing so we knew that she was able to change her mind on stuff. Then when her bubble was burst (by Logans dad, not the thing Dean burst) she was confused.
Jan. 3, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST
John Stewart comes off as an arrogant, know-it-all, cockbag. But I still think it's funny, and I'm a liberal Republican. Also, Herc needs to promote AD more, seeing that the last three episodes have been absolutely golden.
Jan. 3, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST
Get OC off List squeeze in The Shield. Glenn Close was amazing.
Jan. 3, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST
Rescue Me how could i forget.
Jan. 3, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0050.htm Not only does he admit that they make the show up as they go along, but he still comes off as a really, really, bright guy. Also, his eulogy for Piller was really touching. Wish he would write some more episodes though...
Jan. 3, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST
... I need to quit my job and watch TV full-time. I admit to watching none of the 10 shows Herc puts ahead of it. I just don't watch a lot of TV. But I'd put this season of House -- where, as MaryPoppinsWrath noted, they have achieved a perfect balance and *interplay* between disease-of-the-week and ongoing character arcs -- as equal to or better than all but the first season of The Sopranos. I do watch a bunch of the half-hours, and adore South Park, Weeds, AD, and My Name is Earl . . but as great as they are, House is playing in a different league.
Jan. 3, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST
BSG voted the number one show on tv, from TIME magazine. Also, one of AFI's top five shows on television. But I guess both of those sources suck ass. Retard.
Jan. 3, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST
then indeed we would be truly blessed. it's worth noting that the critical love for Rome seems to be mostly a north american thing - the BBC version has been heavily edited.
Jan. 3, 2006, 7:58 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...go back and read your posts. Really. Think about them. If you can. You realize that you, in your posts, do everything you accuse "liberals" and John Stewart of doing. You whine, you make pablum predictable jokes you cribbed from Rush at the Excellence in Abusing Pharmaceuticals Network, with talent on loan from Pfizer. By your pitifully ignorant definitions, aside from not liking John Stewart, you are the only liberal here. Or maybe there's something wrong with those definitions your druggy hypocrite radio voice best friend is giving you.
Jan. 3, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST
Typical fucking shitbag Liberals, anytime they are losing an argument, they'll throw out the old "Stop sucking Rush's dick" or some other nonsense. Like it is impossible for ANYONE to dislike the Daily Show without listening to Limbaugh? I take it from your guys' comments that Rush does not like Jon Stewart? WHO FUCKING CARES?!?! Really, is Rush Limbaugh's opinion that important to you? You guys really need to get out. Yes, we know Bush is a douchebag, what else do you have? Oh that's right, nothing. "How can anyone NOT find this funny?" probably goes through your heads as you watch the Daily Show, while jerking off to the length of Jon Stewart's horseface. I say again, anyone who Tom Brokaw thinks is funny ain't that funny at all. A shame really, cause Jon Stewart used to do good stand up. His shit is so safe and sanitized, which is why Liberals eat it up. And why are you guys making fun of Rush's drug problem? It's real big of you to pick on weak people with no willpower. I guess that is what happens when you've been bullied your whole life, you strike back at those weaker than you. Or perhaps you hate Rush cause he is fat, like most posters here. Side question, why are so many fucking geeks overweight? You can't even control your fucking eating, yet you're going to ridicule people who can't stop doing drugs? Real fucking enlightened. Or is it that you feel you can make fun of Rush because he himself used to make fun of junkies? If that is the case, then jesus h. christ. What a bunch of disingenuous cocksuckers you are, lacking in any and all conviction. Do you have a set of beliefs? Or do they just sway with whatever you feel like doing? I'd love to see what some of you look like. Most geeks here are fat, fat guys don't get girls, hence you all become Liberals thinking that it will get you girls. How's it going? Now here is where I get all the responses telling me how hot your girlfriends/wives are. Don't be so fucking obvious.
Jan. 3, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...why knock Rush because of his drug addiction? Because while Rush was abusing drugs he repeatedly launched into tirades on his show that drug abusers should be imprisoned and not given treatment. Because he ridiculed and demonized others who were addicted. While Rush was abusing drugs he sermonized for the enthusiastic prosecution of drug users, mocked the idea of them being treated instead of imprisoned, and then, when his own drug abuse was uncovered, he used every legal trick in the book to obtain "treatment" for his "weakness". Real Americans, real patriots, hate hypocrites, Thunderballs, and it would be hard to find a more sickening example of hypocrisy than that demonstrated by this standardbearer of the right. And there's nothing disingenuous about tarring him with it, each and every time his name is mentioned. That's making sure that every time the dishonest hypocrite is mentioned the clearest and most grotesque manifestation of his hypocrisy and dishonesty is made clear. As for why I mentioned Rush in relation to you? Because your raging little screeds throughout this talkback parrot Rush to such a degree that they sound like you've actually transcribed his broadcasts. Now, it may be that you've gotten the same sad, ill-informed, and immature worldview without help, in which case I apologize. You may also have gotten it from Hammity, Savage or Newsmax. Maybe even Freepernet, though folks from there usually demonstrate a bit more finesse than you've demonstrated. It doesn't really matter where you're getting the unthinking, kneejerk hate you've demonstrated since your first post in this talkback, though given your lion with a thorn in its paw response about Rush I would guess he's been one of the ingredients.
Jan. 3, 2006, 11:08 p.m. CST
And you're not a geek?
Jan. 4, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST
by Homer Sexual
I can't get interested in hardly any of these top shows. And I am a total couch potato! Kill Reality was nigh-unwatchable, one of the worst "reality" programs ever, BOTNRS was actually ten times better. At least there used to be HBO, but now almost eberything good is gone--Entourage is the best thing on HBO?? WTF??
Jan. 4, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST
Mr. Lynch, please don't go around accusing others of hypocrisy, it is not becoming. Rush is a hypocrite, that much is not in doubt, but so are you my friend. Your compassion only extends to those who you sympathize with. You lack any and all conviction, and you have no sense of right and wrong, because it shifts depending on the person doing the right or wrong thing in your mind. And when something like that shifts, it means you have nothing at all. Your argument holds no water either, and is typical of Liberals in general. Liberals, except if they're talking about conservatives, say you can't judge anyone. They say you can never criticize a certain behavior on moral grounds because you yourself probably are immoral in some aspect of your life, therefore you are not allowed to criticize any type of behavior ever. Bill Bennett is a good example, the way you Liberals attacked him. Now, why does the fact that the guy gambles take away from the veracity of his statements on morality? Why does the fact Rush uses drugs take away from his message that doing drugs is bad and should be punished? I smoke weed, I know it is bad for me, but I can't stop. To a Liberal, I would never be allowed to tell someone not to smoke pot, or that it is bad for you, cause I do it, and if I do it it means I can never tell anyone not to. Hence why Liberals, especially here in Manhattan, have the most rotten, misbehaved, shitbag kids. Liberals have no sense of morality, and no sense of right and wrong, therefore when little Timmy decides to spread his feces all over the wall, Mom and Dad, good Liberals they are, say "Oh look, Timmy is expressing himself." That is why they never discipline their kids in a restaurant when they're running around, screaming, running into waiters, because then you're stifling his expression! Same with drugs, how can they tell little Timmy not to do drugs when they themselves did drugs? I'l tell you, it's easy, CAUSE YOU'RE A FUCKING PARENT!!!! I like you Mr. Lynch, you are a perfect example of what is wrong with Liberalism today, mainly, no steadfast principles, shifting notions of morality, if morality even exists to you relativists, and a pretty twisted sense of society. So before you go around accusing others of hypocrisy, look closely at yourself and those you align with. Hypocrisy is rife on the Left and Right, so what? That does not mean there isn't an absolute right and wrong most times. Bottom line, certain behavior is wrong, and whether I do it or not does not change the wrongness of it.
Jan. 4, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Do you realize how much of the opinions you attribute to me and/or liberals in the preceding post, and all your posts in this thread, you are inventing? For instance, you invent my attitude toward drugs, but you really have no idea how I feel about drug use. All you know is that I find the moral hypocrisy of conservative shills like Limbaugh and Bennet objectionable. So you invent my position, label it the "liberal" position (without knowing I am a liberal, either, by the way) and attack the argument you have made up. Now this works for people like Rush because they allow no competing voice to point out the dishonesty of what they are doing, and I certainly understand someone like you trying to ape their styles, because it is what you have learned. And I don't know if you're too young or too dumb to understand this difference, but it is a large one: My problem is not with Rush condemning the activity, though there is certainly a level of hypocrisy in doing so when he himself engaged in it. My problem is with Rush ridiculing the idea of treatment for the problem, championing the notion of prosecuting those who engage in it to the fullest extent of the law, and then hide behind every legal protection he could when he was caught, crying (and having every media surrogate of the right he could muster cry along with him) about how his addiction was an illness. And sorry, Thuny, but whether the person was on the left or right who did that I would consider them beneath contempt. You don't, and that is what identifies you as someone who puts their partisan beliefs among any moral standard. By their fruit shall you know them, the Good Book says, and your own words have identified you. Go ahead, make up some more stories about your imaginary liberal parents who let their imaginary liberal children smear their imaginary liberal shit on walls. That's about the best argument you've made so far, and it's as close to reality as any of your others.
Jan. 4, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST
I'll go with A for his sake. And it makes me sleep a little better at night.
Jan. 4, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST
Dude, I don't know wehat the fuck you're talking about, or what you're on, but get soome treatment. Liberals on motorcycles? What does that have to do with anything? I tell you dude, you are off your rocker with shit like that. Bottom line, you would not know reality if it hit you in the face! Try living in the world son, it does wonders. Where do you live by the way? It in no way compares to the shit I see in Manhattan, and I've lived here 15 years. You got nothing son.
Jan. 4, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST
It used to be good the first season but is now like every bad TV teen soap. Listing that as number one throws all the credibility out the door.
Jan. 4, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST
Especially when it comes to the Daily Show. Thunderballs' definition of liberalism seems to be typical: 'liberalism is whatever I don't like. I don't like Daily Show, therefore it must be liberal.' Oh yeah, and delusional. Raising your children is all about how you were raised, not how you label yourself. He's like a crazed Two-Face, flipping his liberal/conservative coin. Reality isn't liberal and conservative. Time to join it. In addition to others' arguments that Stewart (who calls himself a centrist) satirizes both sides, especially those who are in power, the bulk of his vitriol is reserved for the mainstream news media. As the show is a satire of a news program, so is Colbert's a satire of Bill O'Reilly type self-important pundits. More than anything, they are making fun of the media. As far as the list goes, replace OC, Everwood and Gilmour Girls with Smallville, Rescue Me and Carnivale and there's a list. I honestly can't say much about House, as I've not seen it. I might be a hypocrite but I love my Mars, but aren't interested in the soap trifecta that Herc listed. Though Mars isn't soap, imo.
Jan. 4, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST
Do you get off on shit like this? I think you really believe shit like that. I don't like Hannity or Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter or that Leprecon Bill O'Reilly(a true piece of shit by the way. Why? Cause he did not let the Swift Boat Vets on his show. He is a pimp and a scumbag!), they must be Liberals!!! Oisin you are a first rate douchebag, typical Leftist. And Stewart calls himself a centrist????? WHAT A SURPRISE!!!! A Liberal running from the Liberal label!!!! I've never seen that before! Every Liberal in the media says they are a centrist. They are such extremists that they think their socialist views are actually in the center, cause compared to their friends they ARE centrists. And why is Colbert a satire of O'Reilly and not Chris Matthews or that idiot Keith Olbermann? You guys try and pretend like you have no political bias, or that you don't watch the Daily Show cause it is leftist, but your comments continually belie those statements. The Daily Show is beloved by Liberals all over, so it either means the Daily Show is Leftist, or rather, it proves once again that Liberals have no sense of humor to speak of.
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