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Learn The Latest Big-Screen Villain To Menace Cyclops, Xavier, Wolverine, Colossus, et al!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Why, it’s Captain Britain’s hot twin sister, Betsy Braddock!!
Yes, young actress Mei Melancon, who earlier appeared in Brett Ratner’s “Rush Hour 2,” is rejoining the director as the “evil mutant assassin Psylocke” in “X-Men 3.” Apparently the character is teaming with Magneto.
I remember young Psylocke being rather conspicuous by her omission in the old “X-Men” cartoon series, but I didn’t follow the “X-Men: Evolution” follow-up closely enough to know whether she turned up there.
So could this be Pyslocke’s first appearance on a screen of any size?
Find the Hollywood Reporter’s story about this here.
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Why couldn't they give Gambit a big role??
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I think they are starting to pack too much in now.
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Dec 30, 2005 2:59:41 AM CST
It wont suck if it's more like the first, and nothing like t
by bendersshinyass
you heard right
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not to mention psylocke is never a villain except when she was brainwashed in the maderapore incident, and that had nothing to do with the brotherhood.
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Dec 30, 2005 3:06:29 AM CST
No I'll save all my bitching for the terrible script and vis
by industrykiller
thank you very much
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or the skimpy swimsuit of a outfit? Thong-tha-thong-thong-thong. :)
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Where is my xomanowar movie????? Or better yet Eternal Warrior!
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Looks like they are skipping the whole blonde Anglo Psylocke and just going straight to trapped-in-the-Asian-assassin's-body version. Always thought that was kind of a cheesy storyline myself, but oh well.
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Kelly Hu. Kelly Who? Yes. Kelly Yes? No. Hu. Kelly! Yes. Kelly Yes, that's what I'm saying! I dunno, THIRD BASE!
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Dec 30, 2005 3:54:08 AM CST
She never showed up in XM:E but Shermdawg is right, It got reall
by dogsoup
This movie is doomed though.
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Dec 30, 2005 3:56:15 AM CST
What the hell? Another Sherman!???? We should start a Justice Le
by shermdawg
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Dec 30, 2005 4:04:09 AM CST
Betsy Braddock wasn't always asian, it was Revanche who was
by monkey_king
Revanche, the Betsy imposter, was the Pyslocke in later issues of the X books. She was dealt with accordingly, but the purple-haired Brit hottie who had a near-death experience and surprisingly put a whoopin' on Sabretooth should've been cast with a busty British hottie(NOT that whore Jordan especially)
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She is mutant number 375 to be featured in this movie. She will stand behing Magneto looking pretty, then do some wire-fu, beat the crap out of X-Man number 1, before X-Man 2 uses their power to knock her out. We will move on. If she gets over three lines of dialogue I will be amazed. I also be amazed if she is presented as anything other than just a ninja chick. No psychic blade stuff, or at best an unexplained CGI 'fire' effect on her hand...
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http://www.canmag.com/news/4/3/2719
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Oh yeah, they really missed out there. Back in the Alan Davis/Jamie Delano days Betsy was the classic sexy secretary type, a real buttoned down hottie. When Davis brought her to the X-Men in the mid-80's (the cmics best period) she became a hugely interesting character. Never sure about the asian assassin plot myself, but along with Brian (Captain Britain) they made Excalibur a top read.
Now, Kelly Brook in skintight superhero gear...she was probably mentioned but even buxon Anna Paquin would look like Olive Oyl next to our Kel. I'm gonna miss 2005, Kellys calendar was fuckin' A this year... -
She showed up for one story where Apocalypse reunites all the villians and tries to fuck up the time continuim, was a cameo fest and one of the best stories ever.
Still not looking forward to the film, however.
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It's a goofy game for dopey doctors
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Dec 30, 2005 5:50:53 AM CST
I noticed the chick who dies at the end of X2 is in the trailers
by bendersshinyass
I HATE that shit
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See.
http://nfiltr8or.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/psylocke.gif
And since she is Angel's sweetheart in the comic it's not beyond possibilty that she has a reasonable few minute role in the movie.
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Dec 30, 2005 5:56:17 AM CST
Let's face it, the X-Men are just going to do a lot of 80
by oldenoughforme
like the hit tv series, Fame. You can already tell by the teaser that it's going to be one of Beast's signature moves. Why is it that as soon as you put a guy/girl in werewolf-like makeup, he/she has to maneuver around like an extra from the Thriller music video? Well, Psylocke or not, I will be watching for the 'design' of each character's anatomy-in-motion. Hugh Jackman is probably a cool guy in real life, but boy, did he fail at capturing Wolverine's body language. It's not his fault, it's the director's.
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I'll bet you any money that "X-Men 3" STILL turns out a trillion times better than "Superman Returns."
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Dawg, when did you join AICN? I first signed on as General Sherman when I reviewed Elizabeth, oh so long ago, Thursday, November 12th, 1998 at 01:52:22 AM CST. I just reread that review, and I'm reminded of the tabloid tv skits they do on SNL with Seth Meyers and Amy Pohler as British anchors being ever-so-cute. Not long after, I "killed off" that persona, but, feeling the need to speak up in the talkbacks, I signed on as Sherman_Lives. So are we Tony Stark and James Rhodes, or Bruce Wayne and Jean-Paul Valley? |||| Which brings us back to comic book characters. They're going so far off-book in this movie I half expect to see Chloe Sullivan alongside Magneto! |||| One line of dialogue we won't hear in X3 (but should)--"Storm, you've changed your hair!" "Yeah, it was time for a change, and it was either this or a mohawk."
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Search for Keely Hazel, Michelle Marsh, Lucy Pinder, Sophie Howard. There are loads more, just go to the page3.co.uk website.
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It's from 'The Dark Phoenix Saga', probably one of the most well-known X-Men books. If you hate that shit, you might as well give up on movies based on Marvel characters entirely. Just about every Marvel hero has died and come back at least once...
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Yes thats right the next villain is CHRISTMAN. He is a mind bending religious figure who makes everybody believe that man lived with the dinosaurs and Noah creates the Grand Canyon. His special power is called CREATIONISM. Stupid Americans, I Love Ya.
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duh. oh- spoiler warning!
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He will be played by Edward Herrmann. The part was originally offered to Brian Posehn but the scheduling didn't work out.
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I was hoping for sentinels. :(
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Dec 30, 2005 8:26:49 AM CST
The Beast, in X3, looks like a big hairy poofter. A huge hairy S
by borgnine jr
Wotta revoltin' development!
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A movie based on "Marvel Vs. Capcom". That would rock.
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A "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" movie.
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Dec 30, 2005 8:45:56 AM CST
I only wish the current Marvel movies had half the imagination o
by rant breath
But it would be too much. People's heads would explode.
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As much as I love the films, no media has ever spammed you with mutant power cluster-fuck greatness as Marvel vs. Capcom 2. Not even the comics.
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Dec 30, 2005 8:56:48 AM CST
Just bring back LONGSHOT. He was the fucking coolest X-Man. MO
by judas booth
I want X4 to go to Mojo world...tell me that wouldn't be a trip? All of the Spineless ones, making their shitty action movies? Don't forget Ricochet Rita! Fuck Yeah, baby!
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Dec 30, 2005 9:01:15 AM CST
Well that's great. X1 was classy, X2 was dull/crap and now X
by bendersshinyass
Excuse me for hopeing for something a little more from these films. Comic books or not, they are films. And I for one prefer charcters to remain dead if they are killed. But then, I let star trek off the hook so i guess i should just shut up and turn off my brain.
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Thank you for reminding me that she is the hottest chick on the planet...if any of you don't know who she is I highly suggest you go find out now...only downside is that she's Jason Stathams woman. I'd like to 'transport' her to my pants if you know what I mean!
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If you think X2 was dull/crap then you also have your taste up your ass, along with several small rodents no doubt. You don't need to turn off your brain, nature took care of that for you.
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the dark phoenix saga is one of the x-men series' better known story arcs (the batman: hush of the 70's, if you will). don't get all pissy because you forgot to brush up on the basics.
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-NOT to say that ratner is following the story even remotely loosely.
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-now that i think about it, this movie is confusing even to me. i will pray for the moviegoing public's feeble brain processing powers when this movie comes out. not to say that it SHOULD be coming out.
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Dec 30, 2005 9:40:30 AM CST
I still say we're gonna see a Sentinel in the danger room se
by shermdawg
Go back and study the teaser. Laser bolts fly past Storm, Pete throws Wolvie up 'twards a purplish light.....come on, if they were gonna show up, it would be in that scene. Oh, and when the word breaks that they are in there......REMEMBER WHO CALLED IT FIRST!
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Go leader! Wolverine is really coming across as being spoiled. I hope that's corrected in this sequel.
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Dec 30, 2005 10:00:44 AM CST
The asian version of Psylocke is what the mainstream fans know
by terry_1978
Only the real hardcore fanboys know about the body switch thing. Most people know her only from the Capcom video games and the recent X-comics, where she is japanese. And artwork featuring her is always post-body switch.
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Dec 30, 2005 10:03:54 AM CST
Movies confusing because it's two or three storylines cramme
by justice41
You have the Phoenix Saga, The Legacy Virus, and from the looks of it you have the Brotherhood of Mutants as depicted in the Ultimate X-men and not the old version. I just hope Ratner gives the flick a little time to make the stories clear.
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if halle berry had that biggest boobs clause in her contract they'd probably have to get rid of anna paquin... cause she's packin a couple rogues under those shirts of her - hell - they'd probably have to get rid of jackman as well to...
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The Pheonix Saga is one of the X-Men's most famous comic book story lines. At the start of X2 Jean Grey -who dies and becomes the Pheonix in the comic books and is central to "The Pheonix Saga"- complains she is feeling strange and her powers go funny. At the end of the movie when she is supposedly killed at the last second she begins to manifest these strange powers again. Cue "Holy shit she became the Pheonix". Now if that wasn't enough... after her funeral they cut back to the lake where she died and they show the Pheonix in the water.
Sorry to spoil this for you.
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how can both superman returns and x 3 BOTH FAIL if the guy who directed the 1st rush hour movies, who by the way made half a million for those movies, and the guy who directed the 1st x men movies, who made more for THOSE movies, strike out at the same time?
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Dec 30, 2005 10:26:59 AM CST
They should have Anna Paquin dress like Rogue in X-Men; Evolutio
by osmosis jones
That goth look was HOT.
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And I don't remember Psylocke being a villain, I guess my memories failing or something changed since then. Anyway, wow, since this is supposedly the last X-Men movie, they are really throwing in every single character they can find, aren't they? Which doesn't sound good on paper as by the time introductions and a little character development, the movie will be over already. Maybe they will be cardboard cut-out characters to be paraded around in the background, like the cameos in the first two movies (Kitty Pryde, etc.)?. But Brett Ratner is still attached (no need to go into the pre-production problems yet again) so I wasn't having much hope for this installment anyway.
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To whomever said that the 80'2 era X-Men was the best era for the X-books: Are you out of your cotton pickin' mind!?!?! Issues 94-138 are the best by far and away. The Phoenix Saga. 'Nuff said. Not to mention that all the books leading up to the Phoenix Saga are just chock full of character development, it's just silly. Yes, even the Dazzler issue.
After that, I'd say the 1st Brood storyline would take second place.
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I agree, the 1st Brood storyline was one of the best arcs that the XMen had. While it would be good on film, I don't see how the Brood could come across as anything more than an 'Aliens' ripoff. Your views regarding the issues 94-138 are spot on. I'd love to see the Hellfire Club actually see some screentime. Also, the 'Days of Future Past' storyline was quite good. Then, in the late 80's and early 90's, plot and character development seemed to take a second place to constant battles and full page drawings of posing. Where a comic book used to take maybe 15 minutes to read, it only took about 5 because of all the 'Action'. I blame the Image comics for that trend. I checked out and went to 'Hellblazer', 'Sandman', and 'Preacher' about that time and never really went back to the superhero stuff. I'm told that it's gotten better in the last couple of years, but I haven't given it a chance again.
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Dec 30, 2005 10:56:52 AM CST
Hey you fuckers....she's HOT! Stop your bitching. You know
by r.c. the "wise"
so shut up. And Happy New Years to all!
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Dec 30, 2005 10:58:50 AM CST
Come to think of it. There was this stripper I saw last week on
by r.c. the "wise"
And they were real. Just thinking about that.... .... gotta go.
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It has nothing to do with the story. I just thought I'd share.
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Dec 30, 2005 11:29:20 AM CST
They'll never top Kelly Hu, she's probably the hottest w
by scrumdiddly
And she doesn't help my hand fetish any... Damn it!
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The first appearance of The Stranger. And my oldest Spider-man is the first Electro appearance (#9 I believe). Since Big Dummy is sharing I thought I would too.
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Does anyone know if the rumors about Cyclops getting killed in X3 are true? In the trailer it shows Cyc agonizing over Jean, then Wolverine finds Cyc's visor floating around. We know there's a funeral and assume it's for Jean, but who knows. Details, por favor.
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Dec 30, 2005 12:06:48 PM CST
Its his ruby quartz sunglasses not his visor, that Logan finds.
by shermdawg
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He made one good movie, THE USUAL SUSPECT, and that was good because of Christopher Macquarrie's screenplay. X-Men 2 was "ok" and the first X-Men was downright horrible. SInger has ZERO style and ZERO vision. He and Ratner are interchangeable in my opinion.
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you can't kill cyclops.
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I have to side with MOSDEF on this one. Both are rather bland, point and shoot directors in my opinion. The action scenes in both XMen movies were rather bland and lifeless, lacking any real energy. I thought that it got better in the second one, but not much. The only scene that really had any punch (no pun intended) was with Wolverine defending the students in the mansion. The nightcrawler bamfing scene was well done as well. Other than that, I wasn't all that impressed. I don't know if it's possible for Ratner to do a better job than Singer, as action isn't really his forte either, but I suspect that X3 will probably be as good/bad as the first two. I'm planning on seeing it, and I hope that it does well enought that a 4th one gets made, and they bring in a director with a real vision...to do MOJOWORLD!!!! Oh God, if they do that, they'll probably get Joel Schumacher who'll fuck it up completely...I can dream, though.
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Please oh please.
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Dec 30, 2005 1:51:47 PM CST
Julie Dreyfus (Sofie Fatale from KILL BILL vol. 1) would have ma
by tophat
...and if you guys keep being negative, people will start being overly positive, just for a change of pace; "You nitpicking fanboys!" etc.
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Yup. He dies. He has to. For a start, the actor that plays Cyclops has a pretty big role in Superman Returns, so he can't be in X3 for that long. From what I hear, there are quite a few "contract negotiation" deaths like that in X3.
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Man, even I knew Xenia Onatopp was coming back and I never read an X-Man comic strip in my life. Not only did every nerd in the world talk about it the moment X2 ended (hell, they were whispering it in the theater when I saw it), but also it is heavily implied at the end of the movie when some kind of dark amorphus shape started coming out of the water. I mean come on, we should congratulate Hollywood for once if they are assuming we are not retards. Anyway, the important part is the naked blue chick is back, she is obviously the main reason to watch these pictures. thanks ShinyAss.
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Where magneto's mutants show and try to kill the president and then we are introduced to nightcrawler. that was spectacular. Now that Marvel is a Coporation, they will spin off a couple of characters first starting with wolverine and go through them all before making a final x-men movie. I would like to see a rogue film based on the original cartoon where she kicked ass. But we arent going to that are we.....
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and although I havent seen it, i have heard that there was considerable bad blood between Singer and Fox, while he worked on the first movie. the story goes soemthing like this.Singer wanted to Make a big budget comic spectacular based on the X-men comics and only that. But fox wanted to make a big budget action spectacular and they really didnt care what the story was about. Being an X-men fan Singer already knew what the fans wanted. Fox had other ideas and the didnt really care as long as the movie made a profit. once into production the horn butting start and in the end. Singer made a compromise that the movie would be about Hugh Jackman. Hugh has alot to thank fox for. after he will be producing the Wolverine film. All the x-men would become like Secondary characters. One of the plots they threw into the first was who was rogues real mom and dad. They left that up to audience and moved. The 2nd movie was all about Wolverine and the war plot came 2nd and dark phoenix came third. IN the third movie the war plot comes first so when JEan grey becomes the Dark Pheonix she becomes a magneto allie which doesnt leave us anywhere regarding the reast of the plot. I dont blame singer for walking away to Film superman. I bet hes thinking if this fails Ratner will carry the can. Fuck him and fuck fox too.
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*wow*
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Dec 30, 2005 3:00:03 PM CST
I say this on every x3 talkback so i might as well say it again.
by freakemovie
Don't worry too much about Ratner. He's a hired gun who was hired because he didn't have enough vision to screw it up. And the cast is mostly already established so don't worry about them either. Worry about how good the script is, because that's what will make the movie sink or swim.
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Dec 30, 2005 3:08:13 PM CST
WhoooHoo! The script was partially written by the mind that gave
by dogsoup
How's THAT for worry. I'll still see it no matter how bad it is. I get the hookup for free movies at a theaterpub...that's right, free movies and beer. If it sucks, I'll be too drunk to care.
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Dec 30, 2005 4:05:45 PM CST
Are they still set to kill off that major character Moriarty tal
by zool43
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I don't know where you got that story but I think at least part of it is false. Singer is not some huge X-Men fan dreaming of getting his favorite comic book on screen the way the fans want it. He said at the time of the first film that he was not a long time X-Men fan but that when the movie came up he read some of the comics and was struck by the prejudice subtext and the MLK/Malcolm X dynamic he saw in Professor X and Magneto. I think the movies work partly because he's not *completely* attached to the comics, he just has good taste and a sense of what can be translated into dramatic cinema and what can't. (In fact, I bet Rattner is a bigger fan of comic books, but I don't suspect hi movie will be as good. I will give it a chance, though.)
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She WAS in the old X-Men Cartoon; she tried to break into Archangel's pad in one episode. I promise.
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...mostly. I was not a fan of Singer being replaced by Ratner, but it DOES look like they are trying to amp up the action, which is a good thing. Other good things: Colossus, Kitty Pryde, the Beast, and Angel get featured, which means that almost all of the major and classic X-Men (at least prior to the 1990s, with Gambit and the rest) will have gotten a portrayal on film, which is cool. I am especially a fan of Claremont's classic run, so seeing Colossus and Kitty Pryde on film is especially cool. Bad things: Cyclops should NOT be killed. He is the one character portrayed in these films that has not gotten his due, and it is the filmmakers fault, not Marsden's, who has done well with what he has been given. Cyclops is the leader and tactician of the team, and he should not be killed off just because the writers don't know what to do with him. More bad stuff: where is Nightcrawler? To me, the best X-Men line-up is the classic Claremont line-up: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty Pryde, with Professor X as mentor, and with other key X-Men (Beast, Angel, Iceman) making strong cameos now and then. This is how the films should have been set up. This film seems to be mixing characters anachronistically in regards to the fictional time-line of the X-Men. Other bad stuff: they seem to be mixing too many classic plotlines together, as others have mentioned. Why? This doesn't have to be the last, blow-out movie. The X-Men films could go on as a long-running franchise, like the James Bond films. Why stop at a third movie and dump all your stories and characters into one film, when that treasure-trove of plots and characters could last for years and years? Giving short-shrift to the Phoenix Saga is a big mistake, in my opinion. Anyway, those are my concerns about the movie. I am still skeptical about the film, but the trailer looked better than I expected, so I am more optimistic about the movie now than before, albeit guardedly optimistic. Hope they didn't screw this third movie up...
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When I listed the classic Claremont X-Men line-up: Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Wolverine, etc, I forgot to include Rogue. Basically, Rogue in the films was more similar to how Kitty Pryde was portrayed in the comics, which was fine. Now, as Rogue grows up more on film, we can expect to see her more active and powerful (hopefully) like the classic comic-book version of Rogue. Will Rogue finally use her powers onscreen to gain strength and flight? I hope so. Anyway, Rogue is a part of the classic Claremont line-up that I mentioned, so I am glad she is portrayed in these movies.
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Sure, it's the formula. Wolverine-must-beat-up-evil-lady-mutant-in-third-act. There's just not enough communication between Wolvie and the ladies. Talking, not violence, will work things out.
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Dec 30, 2005 7:28:02 PM CST
Just to clear it up alittle on the end of X2 regarding the Phoen
by kongmonkey
It may sound picky but here it goes. The last shot of the film does not depict the phoenix coming out of the water. The camera is actually following the point of view of the phoenix as shes flying over the water, and we get a shot of her reflection in the lake as she soars overhead. To me this makes more sense. Mainly because even though it is some sort of godlike spirit, fire doesn't really work that well underwater(duh).
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Dec 30, 2005 8:32:44 PM CST
Thanks for the clear up guys. Except for that rude fucker
by bendersshinyass
X2 was dull/crap though. The first one was cool. The second one was let down by two 2 things, monstrous planet destroying powers, and a really REALLY lame climax battle.
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Take it off, Emma.
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But yes. Your right. I see it so clearly now.
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it feels pointless to argue this though since mostly everybody except for Bender's Shiny Ass seems to agree with me that X2 is the clear superior. They were both good, and I'll agree that X2's climax might've been slightly less awesome than the rest of the movie, but overall X2 was the big payoff of X1's (necessary) set-up.
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It was a plotline about how Apocalypse wanted to collapse the whole world into this limbo dimension that he had complete dominion over, and to do that he need all of this psychic energy, so he started abducting all of these psychic, one was Professor X, and another was psylocke, and she helped the X-men defeat the whole plot.
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X1 was a real surprise to me. I don't follow the comics, I caught the cartoon a couple mornings before I had to leave for another fun filled day of High school. My rag tag day fucked up teachers and even more fucked up students. The reunion was like a super fucked up school day. Only we had drugs and alcohol. Actually that was high school too. I don't know it's all a blurr. Look, the point is, X1 was a masterfully made original film. And while I have issues with the sheer hight of the supermarket stores roof as they all had their battle, I really got the impression that evolution was taking people into these wild unchartered territories. And the dynamics of the characters was just fantastic! It really was. Loved it. So much so that I even let it slide the whole mutant machine at the end. they had to do something exciting, right? And the loose ends at the end. It was awesome! Now, I remember only being 1 of about 3 talkbackers who didn't like X2. I remember getting flamed for it. But my oppinion of that day remains the same, if not stronger. X2 was a piece of SHIT! A classic example of textbook film making. Classic example of lazy film making too. Good opener, good closer. That's all the money people require. But we/me the hungry audiance demand satisfaction! And I'm pretty fucking surprised at Brian Singer for the crappy follow on he churned out. It's like the first film was a first episode in a plan for a REAL Xmen film. But that just wasn't the case. The first Xmen WAS the film they had planned. The rest would surly write themselves. What did I hate about X2. I've already mentioned the STUPENDOUS powers these mutants had. Call me a party pooper, but the powerful, yet limited powers of the first film was what I believed in. The first film had a realism to it. The second film did not. At all. The inside of the Jet. In the first film the jet was shrouded in mystery. It was cool. A stretch, but cool. This time we get to see the full thing. A big HOLLOW super Batman & Robin style gadget that is nothing but super hero. And Gay. Real Gay. Like the 69 gay that pink slippers Moriarty and Ginger Twit Harry engage in once or twice for us all to see. Yeah, you know what I'm taking about. And when they crash. I mean, i knew they were going to come out of it ok. I was just hopeing it wasn't going to be really pathetic. Oh look, Magnito is out in the field, what? 500 - 600 km or miles away from where ever that Jet took off from? Yup, thats pretty fucking pathetic. I was also hopeing for Logan to find a really interesting world behind where he came from. But it was SUCH. A. LETDOWN. I mean, seriously people. A Frozen lab. with a chick Wolverine. Weaker than American national security. Oh shit, i just felt all your retalitory glands fire up. And how bout that opening. that was great! The assasination attempt was a promise of a better film to come. Man was I wrong! And how bout that museum scene. Poor ol cyclops had one reason to be in X2.... to talk about all the shit that happened in X1. Did the first scene of spock and Kirk in Start Trek 2 have them talking about V'ger? I mention this because the end of X2 was just a direct rip off of Star Trek 2. And now it seems X3 will return perished character, as did Star Trek 3. And how bout Professor X. I swear, the exact same thing that happened to him in X2 happened in X1. I did enjoy Magneto's escape from prison. But everything else was SLOOOOOOOOOW or just not very well done. Sorry. I'm right. Don't get me started on spider man 2.
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X1 was a real surprise to me. I don't follow the comics, I caught the cartoon a couple mornings before I had to leave for another fun filled day of High school. My rag tag day fucked up teachers and even more fucked up students. The reunion was like a super fucked up school day. Only we had drugs and alcohol. Actually that was high school too. I don't know it's all a blurr. Look, the point is, X1 was a masterfully made original film. And while I have issues with the sheer hight of the supermarket stores roof as they all had their battle, I really got the impression that evolution was taking people into these wild unchartered territories. And the dynamics of the characters was just fantastic! It really was. Loved it. So much so that I even let it slide the whole mutant machine at the end. they had to do something exciting, right? And the loose ends at the end. It was awesome! Now, I remember only being 1 of about 3 talkbackers who didn't like X2. I remember getting flamed for it. But my oppinion of that day remains the same, if not stronger. X2 was a piece of SHIT! A classic example of textbook film making. Classic example of lazy film making too. Good opener, good closer. That's all the money people require. But we/me the hungry audiance demand satisfaction! And I'm pretty fucking surprised at Brian Singer for the crappy follow on he churned out. It's like the first film was a first episode in a plan for a REAL Xmen film. But that just wasn't the case. The first Xmen WAS the film they had planned. The rest would surly write themselves. What did I hate about X2. I've already mentioned the STUPENDOUS powers these mutants had. Call me a party pooper, but the powerful, yet limited powers of the first film was what I believed in. The first film had a realism to it. The second film did not. At all. The inside of the Jet. In the first film the jet was shrouded in mystery. It was cool. A stretch, but cool. This time we get to see the full thing. A big HOLLOW super Batman & Robin style gadget that is nothing but super hero. And Gay. Real Gay. Like the 69 gay that pink slippers Moriarty and Ginger Twit Harry engage in once or twice for us all to see. Yeah, you know what I'm taking about. And when they crash. I mean, i knew they were going to come out of it ok. I was just hopeing it wasn't going to be really pathetic. Oh look, Magnito is out in the field, what? 500 - 600 km or miles away from where ever that Jet took off from? Yup, thats pretty fucking pathetic. I was also hopeing for Logan to find a really interesting world behind where he came from. But it was SUCH. A. LETDOWN. I mean, seriously people. A Frozen lab. with a chick Wolverine. Weaker than American national security. Oh shit, i just felt all your retalitory glands fire up. And how bout that opening. that was great! The assasination attempt was a promise of a better film to come. Man was I wrong! And how bout that museum scene. Poor ol cyclops had one reason to be in X2.... to talk about all the shit that happened in X1. Did the first scene of spock and Kirk in Start Trek 2 have them talking about V'ger? I mention this because the end of X2 was just a direct rip off of Star Trek 2. And now it seems X3 will return perished character, as did Star Trek 3. And how bout Professor X. I swear, the exact same thing that happened to him in X2 happened in X1. I did enjoy Magneto's escape from prison. But everything else was SLOOOOOOOOOW or just not very well done. Sorry. I'm right. Don't get me started on spider man 2. Don't let these film makers get away with making pieces of shit and passing it off as candy.
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The second does have a better ending I must say
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Dec 31, 2005 2:20:46 AM CST
Bender, Bender, Bender...*shakes head*...I don't know where
by shermdawg
so I won't. Just do yourself a favor and go check out some of the comics ('76-Age of Apocalypse'95?) and you'll see how stupid some of your criticism's are, and realize just how badly Fox screwed up what could have the next great long running science fiction franchise this side of Star Trek.
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what that post means. I don't give a fuck about comics. Only good movies. ie, X1. I did read a really good batman and ren and stimpy one time
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you voided everything you just said by knocking spiderman 2. doc oct is awesome. and you're wrong. xmen isn't ever going to please everyone beacuse of the scale and cast. even the cartoons stretch characters too thin. just be happy that a nerdy geeky thing like comic books are getting mainstream airtime! whine whine whine whine.
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Superman is soooooo lame. Singer should have stuck with X-Men.
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thats not enough my friend. There's more to what I said than mere whine whine whine. If a film is really bad, then the integrity of the makers and, dare I say, the audiance needs to be exposed. Based on X2 I'm not keen at all on X3. Different film makers aside, you guys didn't pull up ANY problems to do with the second film. this give Fox the green light to just pump out more CRAP. Make it clear that the first one was good and the second one wasn't, and we'll be treated to an attempt, at least, to try and do better. Same thing happened with Batman. Everyone claimed Batman Returns was good. So the camp factor continued through Batman Forever. Granted Batman Forever wasn't that bad, but it lead to Batman & Robin. And then, based on how far they had gone, they leaped to far in the other direction and gave us Batman Begins. I say have the balls to pull these films up. Have the balls to tell them where they went wrong. Make movies that are both awesome AND respectable. Do you think Jackson wasn't influenced into extending his Kong film to try and reach the lengths of his LotR films? Not at all. Not at all. Make their faults clear to them! Spiderman 2 was nonsense. Spiderman 3 will be more of the same. Spiderman 1 was good because we finally had a Spiderman movie. But for Chirst sake, give these films solid scripts!! Bah, who cares. Love what you will.
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Dec 31, 2005 5:20:00 AM CST
Wasn't Mystique posing as Psylocke toward the end of X-Men:
by big bad clone
I don't see why they don't have a British Pyslocke when we don't have a flying, invunerable, super strong Rogue. Really, the Rogue/Ms. Marvel thing is much easier to explain than the whole Pyslocke/Revanche thing. Plus, we had a super hot Asain villian last X-sequel.
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give it up. every x-men reader here is just shaking his head at you. you don't get it, and that's ok. but when your reasons for not liking the second film come directly for the comics, whatever ground you had to stand on erodes completely. i felt x2 was far superior to the first. i thought x-men was a unwatchable amalgamation of perversions and inconsistencies. so you didn't like x2, ok. we get it. leave it at that. you can't rationalize your stance to people who have been familiar with these characters and storylines decades longer than you have. just let it go.
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I still don't see how the movies' Rogue will be helpful in a full on attack. She only has defensive powers or those that are good for secret ops, like Kitty. But at least Kitty could pull some nasty shit by phasing people into things. I guess Rogue could attack an individual and drain them but it seems like such a dramatic, time consuming operation that it's not practical (making her powers more like Leech). Maybe if they change her slightly to the later Rogue powers where she can take on someone's abilities for a short period of time. Psylocke? Meh. Always thought she was a second tier Jean Grey. I agree with the above poster where she'll probably be a nameless villain performing one move in a fight scene. As far as the X1/X2 debate goes, I think X2's Nightcrawler made the film worthwhile, and I liked the expanded school atmosphere (Colossus!), Pyro and the fragile peace with Magneto and Mystique, but Stryker/Deathstrike was weak, I agree. They could have had a great backstory with Deathstrike's father coming up with the adamantium technology and her personal grudge against Logan, but they had to do the whole mind-controlled henchwoman routine, which was boring. Really, so far, the strength of the films has been in the themes and characters (well, select ones. Most are watered down). The moments between Logan and Rogue were great in the first film, as were those between Nightcrawler and Storm in the second (say what you will about Halle). The overall comic adventure stuff has been kinda weak - so maybe X3 will remedy that. I just hope there's some decent character work for Beast and Angel in this one. And finally, to the poster who said something about the Legacy Virus being in this film - I think you mean the Mutant Cure story from Astonishing X-Men (Joss's run). The Legacy Virus was a whole other thing from the late 80's/early 90's, a thinly veiled mutant metaphor for AIDS started by a future clone of Cyclops and Jean Grey's baby (looong story). See? A gay metaphor waaay before Brian Singer.
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Did I see Scarlet Witch in the trailer? Right next to Magneto when they're on the bridge, part of that whole Brotherhood of Mutants Thing. Also, where the hell is Sabertooth? I thought they were gonna bring him back when Magneto rallied the forces.
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Dec 31, 2005 6:14:52 PM CST
Just a reminder, Jean Grey was NOT Cable's mother. Her clone
by shermdawg
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Jan 01, 2006 1:46:13 AM CST
This animation already has a better 'concept' than X3...
by oldenoughforme
I'd rather watch Ryu fight Scorpion anyday than a Wolverine double fight a stock stuntman dressed like a mutant. I'll leave the story nitpicks to the experts here on talkback, but I know what good action looks like when I see it. Oh well, I guess I'm also down for watching Frasier do a Flashdance-kick on one of the Evil Brotherhoods. http://tinyurl.com/7wb2f
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You have to KNOW Ratner is putting her up there for the t&a.
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Jan 01, 2006 9:33:39 AM CST
The fact that Kelly Hu wasn't cast as Psylocke in X2 was a m
by doc_strange
Cmon she had the looks and everything, cep't her chest was a size too small but nothing a bra implant couldn't help. Plus she looks great in a thong, oh well.......
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I can't believe all the people who say that this movie will suck. Have you seen the trailer? At lest give Ratner credit for that much.
I do get nervous about having so many mutants on screen, but as long as there is enough focus on the characters who matter, then it's going to be successful.
And for everyone who says X2 is not as good or better than the original X-men, you'd better watch the original again. It really, really doesn't hold up. X2 is superior. -
...there's still hope to those that didn't like the first two xmen movies. Personally i loved both films. i understand why some people don't like them at all. Both films had problems. But there really hasn't been an origin story for the film version of the xmen yet. in the first film the team was jsut there. Anyone who doesn't know the backstory of the xmen and saw that movie have absolutley know idea who cyclops is or why jean is so timid with her powers or that ororo has claustraphobia. There can still be one good, pure xmen film. It would have to be a prequel to the first film and have a totally original cast.
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Another power crazed mutant chick in red. Look again.
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all that silly Goblin Queen stuff and the Australian years. Though a lot of people seem to hate the whole Cable time travel thing, I think you could do a kickass sci fi X-Men spinoff focusing on the Cable story and the Askani (as long as you avoid any similarities to the Jedi and Star Wars). Hell, if you could take away the silly costume and makeup, you could do a cool film with Sinister, focusing on the 19th cent. mad scientist aspect and the genetic engineering thing with the Summers. Perhaps once this trilogy is done, they can do something outside the whole 'mutant acceptance' socio-political thing.
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The series would have been better conceived as a Bondian series of movies without numbers attached to the sequels, with stories being told with the characters, even allowing for recasts along the way with the potential to be a truly monumental franchise. Could still use the movies as springboards for breakout solo character (Wolverine) and still keep the core franchise viable. In this case the trilogy fixation is foolish. I hope that the rumblings of the franchise mutating to focus on the younger characters turn out to be the direction things are going.
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why is it that every comic movie that comes out you fuckers have to bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch.be happy that its acctually getting made instead of the lack of comic movies in the past.so what if its not exactly the same as the story? I have hope that this will be amazing.Clearly you havent heard about multiple man, omega red and someone else all fighting wolverine in one scene. I think this will be one of the most amazing fights in any x-men film. Or what about the fact that colossus and juggernaut are both main characters.I cant wait for this movie to come out and you should be too.
And Im not disagreeing with all comments just some that dont even matter.I think nightcrawler should be in it again and I think Cyclops SHOULD die (Its not like he was in fuckin x2 for more than an accumulated 30 minutes).I agree that he should be the leader like it is in the books but fuck it, I can just read the books. And besides, He died when the twelve fought apocalypse in the comics didnt he? -
Jan 02, 2006 4:47:33 AM CST
"Clearly you havent heard about multiple man, omega red and some
by oldenoughforme
nicko_32, I respect that idea on paper, but I doubt that Ratner has the dynamics inside his way of thinking to bring such a fight scene to life... properly. Singer has already established the movie version Wolverine to fight like, well... Hugh Jackman and some stuntman that looks like him. Watch the trailer for X3 and pay attention to the physics whenever the mutants jump or leap across stuff. The velocity of the jumping actions seems to move at an even pace from point A to point B. This is what I call, Static Hollywood Internal Timing. Or, SHIT if you will. Now, since Singer has already established that Wolverine moves at a predictable speed where an opponent can read and calculate his next move, Wolverine better lose completely when fighting ALL three of those mutants in that one scene. And he (Wolverine) doesn't get up for the rest of the film.
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your right about all that. I can definitely see Ratner using pointless slow-mo to cover up bad wire physics. Wolverine has gotten his ass kicked in every xmen film, but because of his healing factor hes come out on top
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is cute, but this chick is cute on her own right
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Even if Coco Lopez gets here and trash the movie i will agree with him.
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The things being released in like 5 months and yet were still gettng new cast info?
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Jan 03, 2006 8:59:56 AM CST
Does this mean she'll be sporting a thong for the entire fil
by groovyash
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taht just goes to show she'll be jsut another voiceless mutant in the background who uses her power once and is then forgotten forever. This is turning out alot like the second mortal kombat movie, where they stuck in every single character from every single game . They even had Rain in that shitty movie. RAIN!
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Jan 03, 2006 8:33:14 PM CST
Barron34: "... the best X-Men line-up is the classic Claremont l
by clown's no good
HELL YES.
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In this movie, Jean Gray needs to return as Phoenix, save the universe, and anyone could die since she can just bring them back. Also, we need to introduce Mastermind. And in 4, we then get the Hellfire Club, Dark Phoenix, have Cyclops save the day like in the comic, and kill off at least one major character. The new guy doing Cyclops may be fine, no need to cut down his role or kill him off. In fact, Cyclops is essential to the story.
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It's Jean Grey, and Mastermind was in X2, Jason Stryker/Jason Wyngarde.
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