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Moriarty's DVD Shelf! New Release Tuesday For December 20th! With Joss Whedon Interview!!

Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...

It’s going to be a slightly strange day here at the DVD Shelf.

Sure, we’re going to run the list of new releases worth paying attention to, same as we do every week. But we’re also going to run an interview with the writer/director of one of this week’s titles as a way of sort of shining a spotlight on it, and it may surprise some of you who remember my review of SERENITY from earlier this year. As I said there, I liked the movie, but the fans were starting to freak me out, and they got even worse after that piece ran. I had to change my phone service for a while because of some of the truly crazy calls we were we getting here at the Labs, and it soured me a bit on fandom in general, and Whedon fans especially.

But the truth is... I’m fascinated by Whedon and the way he keeps building franchises. I like his work. And when Universal asked if I wanted to chat with him about the DVD release of the film, I took the opportunity for what it was. Frankly, I was surprised he wanted to talk to me. I’ll have the full text of that interview at the end of today’s column.

I’ve neglected my DVD blog for just over a week now, and it’s a shame. I have a ton of stuff to run on it, but I’ve been dealing with a righteous back injury since I got home from Austin, and sitting in a chair for more than an hour at a time leaves me crying right now. To make it through THE NEW WORLD or MUNICH in the theater, I had to munch muscle relaxants like M&M’s. Putting this column together today scares me, because I know how long it normally takes. Let’s get moving, then, so maybe I can salvage some feeling in my spine come sun-up. It’s not a huge list today, but there are some highlights in this, the last shopping week before Christmas. Anything with an asterisk (*) is already here in the house, and everything else will be picked up and brought home in the next few days.


When I finally sat down and watched that SEASON ONE DVD box for this show, I fell head over heels in love with it. I think it’s not just a great SF show, but a great show. They’ve set up some genuine mysteries that keep you hooked, and they’ve created a cast of characters worth investing in. And the cliffhanger at the end of that first box set… my god, talk about leaving you all revved up with no place to go. Everything that was potentially interesting about the original GALACTICA has been fully realized with this show, and it’s a great example of taking something that was played broad and making it better by taking the material seriously. I wish they weren’t releasing the second season in two halves, but I get it. They want me to start watching it when it airs, and this gives me a chance to catch up. Count me in.


I beat the hell out of this film in my review of it, so you may ask why I’d recommend the DVD. Well, I know that many of you don’t buy the titles I list here, but instead add them to your Netflix lists or rent them somewhere else, and if you’re at all curious, THE BROTHERS GRIMM is worth a look. You might find yourself just as irritated by the missed opportunities as I was, or you might just groove on the little hints and flashes of Gilliam hidden among the mess. But I don’t think I could ever in good conscience tell people to skip a Gilliam film completely. Even a train crash like this is worth at least a glance. And, for hardcore fans of the filmmaker, there’s a commentary track that seems fairly self-aware and not deluded about the quality of the film. It’s interesting stuff, and the disc looks and sounds very good. If you can see it cheap, give it a try.


This is one of those rare double-dips where they went out of their way to jampack the disc with extra features. If you’re a fan of the film, you can’t go wrong with this release, because there’s an exhaustive amount of material about how this was translated from stage to screen. There’s a really lovely tribute to Jerry Orbach on the disc as well, and overall, it’s as complete a record of the development of the film as you’re ever likely to get on home video. It lives up to its title.


I’m glad that Universal sent me the unrated edition of this film, but I have to admit… every time I’ve picked it up to watch it, something else has caught my attention first, and I keep setting it back down. I’ve just got to be in a very specific mood to watch another teens-getting-killed movie at this point. I do like the fact that the DVD has some of the short films on it that got the producer and director team the attention of Universal in the first place. That should be valuable for aspiring filmmakers to see. Once I see the actual film, I’m sure I’ll review it over on the blog. I’m just not sure when that’ll be...


Here’s another one I missed in theaters this year that I’m curious about now that it’s coming home. Again, there’s an unrated edition, which seems to be the trend with horror films, and I’m curious to see if it plays like an unrated film or not. I liked the trailers for this one, and it’s got a pretty solid cast, so I’m sure I’ll give it a spin in the next few. It sounds like it manages to avoid many of the problems that make most teen-based horror films unwatchable for me at this point, and that there are some genuine ideas going on here.


I really, really don’t like John Singleton movies. I think this guy’s dropped the ball with almost every major opportunity he’s been given. Yet, somehow, he managed to deliver a pretty solid, if ridiculous, piece of exploitation fare with this loose remake of THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER. Most of that is due to the cast. Mark Walhberg plays his role with a lunkheaded sincerity that’s hard to dislike, and Andre Benjamin proves that he’s not just charismatic when he’s singing. Tyrese does a better job here than normal, and Garrett Hedlund also does good work. They play four adopted sons of the same mother, and when she’s killed in what is alleged to be a random liquor store robbery, they get together to track down whoever was responsible, uncovering a larger conspiracy in the process. There’s a great car chase scene and a really well-done shoot-out towards the end. It’s all sort of absurd, but Singleton makes it propulsive, compulsive fun, and I’d certainly say it’s worth a peek.


Another 2005 release that I missed, and one of the titles I need to catch up on before I write my Favorite Films Of 2005 list. I know many people that enjoyed how old-fashioned this movie was. I dig a good war film, and I’m willing to give this one a chance because I hear it’s sincere. That counts with me, and the true story is a fascinating one, so I hope the film delivers.


I see a lot of the crappy romantic comedies released each year I see them because I am invited to the press screenings and, nine times out of ten, it’s Mrs. Moriarty who opens the mail. Most of them are worse than you think they are, and I find myself considering what it would take to fake my own death just to escape the theater. Here’s one we didn’t see in the theater, but we caught up with it on disc the other night, and thanks to writer/director Gary David Goldberg (FAMILY TIES), it’s not as bad as the genre normally can be. You’ve got to give most of the credit to John Cusack and Diane Lane, who are both about as appealing as they could possibly be, as well as sharper-than-average dialogue. Yes, it ends up adhering completely to the formula that all of these films follow, but along the way, it offers up a few gentle pleasures before finally getting totally soggy. If you’re charged with finding one of these and you want one that won’t give you a headache for the full running time, keep this title in mind.


I like the premise of this one. It sounds like an intriguing little psychological thriller. A woman (Courteney Cox) waits in the car one night while her boyfriend goes into a convenience store. He’s shot and killed. She never sees the shooter’s face. As time passes, someone begins to send her pictures of the store, and she finds herself reliving that night, over and over, looking for some kind of closure about what happened, some way to fix things. I’ve heard enough good about it, and they bothered to send me one, so the least I can do is give it a chance. Let’s hope for the best.


First question: what’s with that lame, lame, lame cover? Is it really that hard for home video departments to put together appealing artwork for the front of a DVD? I guess it’s what they put on the disc that actually matters, but I’ve heard even Joss Whedon is embarrassed by the art they chose for this. What I’m most interested in is his commentary track. The preview disc I was sent does not have the commentary on it, and that’s a shame. That’s the first thing I wanted to play. The transfer looks and sounds great, though, and there are some other extras that were worthwhile, like the deleted scenes (all interesting) and the documentaries, which actually do a fairly complete job of breaking down the production. Good stuff, and we’ll talk more about it below.


What a great title. This is a Budd Boetticher classic that I’ve never seen, but I’ve long admired how evocative that title is. I’m so glad Paramount put this out, and it’ll most likely be the next thing in the player here at the Labs. This was one of Boetticher’s first films with Randolph Scott, and it sounds like Paramount has done everything they could to restore the film visually and to put together some extras that properly honor the filmmaker. I’ll definitely have a full review of this one up soon.



Eager to see Spielberg’s MUNICH? I just got a look at it earlier tonight, and I’d highly recommend you pick up ONE DAY IN SEPTEMBER, an Academy-Award-winning documentary about the Olympic massacre, to give yourself the proper background for the movie. 21 HOURS IN MUNICH is a TV movie dramatization of the events, released in 1976, when it was still fresh in many people’s minds. The documentary is the way to go if you want a great, well-researched look at the incident itself. Spielberg’s movie only briefly touches on the events, choosing to focus most of its running time on what happened after, so arming yourself with some of the backstory is probably a good idea if you want to really enjoy the nuances of the new film. Even if you don’t plan to see Spielberg’s movie, ONE DAY IN SEPTEMBER is riveting and incredibly well-made, and well worth your time.

So... like I said... short week. The day Joss Whedon called me to do our interview, I was in the middle of something else and had lost track of the time. I was totally unprepared for him. The phone rang, I picked it up while trying to see my writing partner to the door, and realized it was the Universal publicist with Joss waiting on the line. I ran back to my office and tried to turn on the speaker phone while also fumbling a fresh tape into my recorder...

… and managed to hang up on Whedon completely. I waited a few moments, and thankfully, they called back. This time, I managed to get all the equipment set up properly, and we jumped right into our conversation:

MORIARTY: Hi. Sorry about that. Terribly sorry. Oops. (pause while they connect Joss). Hi, Joss. Nice to speak with you finally. I know you’ve had several interactions with Hercules The Strong over the years, but we’ve never really had a chance to talk before. I wanted to start by asking you your feelings about the telescoped release window of SERENITY on DVD. Three months after it was in theaters seems like a landspeed record. Do you feel like the studio supported you properly in the theater?

JOSS WHEDON: Well, when you say you want to talk about the quick release...

M: Do you feel like there’s still a unique theatrical experience you create for an audience, or do you feel like this quick release window encourages people to just wait for video at this point?

JW: Ultimately, yes, that is the devil of the quick release. Knowing that you’re going to be able to see it in three months in the privacy of your own home, which is where I watch most movies, definitely hurts attendance. Absolutely. But that seems to be a common thread. But the fact of the matter is that the movie left theaters a little more quickly than I had hoped anyway, so the DVD release isn’t bellied up against it as much as it could be. It’s a problem, but it seems to be the strategy, and now Soderbergh’s experimenting with day-and-date releases.

M: I saw that. I’ve also heard rumors that you’re talking about a line of Buffyverse titles that would be direct-to-DVD.

JW: I’m talking about it. Don’t know if it’s going to happen, but I am talking.

M: I think it’s a really valid form if you know there’s a certain-sized audience that’s out there looking for these stories. You’ve definitely reaped the benefits of what happens when there’s a groundswell of support for a DVD title. When FIREFLY came out, I know I bought several of the boxes and gave them away to people who hadn’t seen the show because I thought it was a great way to make the case for the series. You just hand it to someone and say, “Watch it.” I think with DVD, there’s an ability to build an audience over time instead of having to count on one weekend.

JW: Yeah, it’s, uh… I mean, I see the benefits, but you do hurt the other thing. Every now and then I’ll watch a DVD and go, “Okay, I blew it. That was a theatrical experience I should have had.” And I made this movie to be big. I made this movie to be enjoyed with a crowd on a big screen. Ultimately, everyone who makes a movie does that, but this specifically was designed to be a grand adventure. And it’s the kind of movie I want people to see on DVD and go, “Man, I wish I’d seen that in the theater.” Because you want to reach that level of spectacle and heightened emotion. You want to make it worth being a movie. That’s still a concept that exists beyond the DVD and the DVD market. The movie. The moviegoing experience. However, yeah, the DVD in itself is such a powerful force for storytelling, especially as a tool for bypassing a studio and a network and going directly to the audience. That’s a very intriguing concept for an artist.

M: When I was looking back recently at the work that Stan Lee did in the ‘60s, creating one giant franchise after another, working with Kirby and Ditko, turning out these great iconic characters one right after another, I don’t think he really had any sense of the scale of what he was creating or how it might endure. He just kept creating these things that still hold up to new interpretation 30 or even 40 years later. It seems like it’s rare for people to turn out that many franchises in a row. So far, with the Buffyverse and now with FIREFLY and SERENITY, you’ve set up these stories that you’re able to continue to explore in comics and in movies and in TV shows. Is this something you work at consciously, this sort of franchise-building, or do you find that you are just drawn to stories and characters that refuse to be neatly contained in one simple package?

JW: It’s a little bit of both. Obviously, I studied at the feet of Stan Lee. How can you not if you’re of my generation? The way he tells stories was so exciting and so inventive and so human, and it absolutely hooked me on serialized storytelling in a way that television never did. Comic books were my soap operas. And I think of franchises, and I think of universes the way Marvel has a universe, or the way DC has a universe, and I think of the Buffyverse or the Fireflyverse like that. I definitely think in broader terms like that, but at the end of the day, that’s me having fun. That’s just great, but you have to look at the heart of the one story that you’re trying to tell, each and every time. You can’t coast on the fact that you created these other things, and you can’t assume that people are going to care just because of some formula. You can’t go there. You have to shake it up. You have to challenge yourself. You have to find the next story every time, and I’m not just talking about the next franchise idea. I’m talking about the next episode of whatever it is you’re doing. You have to keep your eye on the ball and turn out the next issue or episode or film or whatever it is, and if you spend too much time thinking about “Maybe this will be great,” then it probably won’t. Ultimately, someone like Stan Lee latched into something, and his collaborators latched into something, that was like finding a vein of gold in a mountain. They just tapped into something really important. Everyone would like to do that. I don’t think I’ll ever work on quite as high a level as that, but that’s what we’re all trying to do, I think. Those of us working in the genre, certainly.

M: You’ve had great success with your run on X-MEN, and currently you’re gearing up for WONDER WOMAN. These are other people’s franchises you’re playing with now, and you get to go back to your roots. You say that comic books you’re your soap operas. Well, now instead of simply doing your variation on the form, you’re actually playing with these iconic characters. Is that really gratifying for you?

JW: Ultimately? Oh, yeah. It’s the combination of characters you’re so familiar with that it’s like writing your own originals and walking with giants, knowing that you’re controlling the lives of these characters that you grew up with, that you learned with. It’s crazy. There was one moment when I got an e-mail from Joe Quesada saying, “Just to be clear, this is your team,” laying out who I’d be able to use in my first issue of X-MEN, and I had what I can only describe as a nerdgasm. The top of my head exploded. I was just like, “Oh, my god, I can’t believe this is happening to me. I can’t believe I’m going to be telling Kitty Pryde what to say for the next year.” It was truly a great adventure.

That was it for our time, so we said goodbye at that point. I know I’ve heard people rail against Joss, saying how he seems almost arrogant about his work, but I didn’t get any of that off of him in our brief conversation. Instead, he seems like a hard-working guy who has found himself doing what he loves, and I find that inspirational. Of this week’s releases, SERENITY is definitely the one I’d recommend the most, and I appreciate Joss taking the time for even the brief chat we had.

I’ll be back later today, both updating the DVD blog, and also bringing you my reviews of THE NEW WORLD and MUNICH right here on the front page of AICN. Until then...

"Moriarty" out.

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  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:59 a.m. CST


    by mrfan

    I will check it out on dvd.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:01 a.m. CST

    Wow! This a first.

    by mrfan

    Being first. I never saw this in the theatre because it never showed up. So, I am asking anyone is it worth my time to pick it up? Help me out please.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Emily Rose

    by CuervoJones


  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:26 a.m. CST

    No Angel Season 6

    by Shan

    ... I still think that was a disaster, especially after Season 5 was so good (IMO). I think it would have been great if they made it. What a missed opportunity. Anyway, I hope some of these post Season 5 movies see the light of day.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:30 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    I'm with you. ANGEL SEASON FIVE finally justified the show's existence for me. Great, great batch of episodes, and a stupendous payoff.

  • ... not that it would have been a disaster if it had been made.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:42 a.m. CST


    by Shan

    Wow ... like hi from Australia. Totally agree about Battlestar Galactica - absolutely fantastic. Going to Sri Lanka in 2 days, I'll see if I can con Sir Arthur C Clarke into seeing it if he hasn't already. (He lives within walking distance of our house and next door to the Iraqi embassy). As for One Day in September, brilliant - I will look out for that TV Series you recommended. Another connected series I would recommend is called "Todesspiel" ( which actually predates it but they interview at least some of the people as "One Day in September" and it shows the effects of the Munich massacre on Germany, such as the formation of GSG-9 (German's antiterror branch) and shows them storming Mogadishu airport after a plane hijacking. What's also interesting is that it's a mix of interviews with the real life participants on all sides mixed with real TV news footage and dramatic recreation. It works really well though I have no idea where you'd get it from (I taped it off TV - we are lucky to have movies from all over the world on free to air TV in Australia. Thank you SBS).

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:45 a.m. CST

    P.S Moriarity ...

    by Shan

    ... do you know how Season 6 was going to be played had they not cancelled the series? Was it going to be in a post-apocalyptic now-in-ruins Los Angeles (like Bard's Tale 3)?

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Amen on Scott/Boetticher

    by NNNOOO!!!

    Those are some of the sparest, purest Westerns ever made. And the villains! Not just James Best, but Lee Marvin, Lee Van Cleef, James Coburn, and Richard Boone. "Seven Men From Now" has long been the hardest to find; I had the great fortune to see it in a restored print with Boetticher in attendance shortly before he passed away. I also had the misfortune to embarrass myself by asking oh-so-clever fanboy questions of a nonagenarian who didn't need his remaining time wasted, but that's another story...

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:51 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Gilliam

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    What happened to Tideland? Lots of excitement for it year, got killed in a few reviews from the film festival premiers, and haven't heard anything since. Straight to DVD? Will it even see the light of day now?

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:52 a.m. CST


    by Gheorghe Zamfir


  • Dec. 20, 2005, 5:57 a.m. CST

    'Unrated' versions are a joke

    by JWBlack67

    Why? Because any added footage makes it 'unrated', as it was not the version rated by the MPAA. Doesn't necessarily mean it's badass.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Firefly Fans

    by photoboy

    "I liked the movie, but the fans were starting to freak me out, and they got even worse after that piece ran" Dude, could you like not tar us all with the same brush? Every fandom has its whackos, but to generalise that all the fans are like that isn't exactly fair is it?

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Firefly fans

    by Rolnikov

    Most of us might not be that bad, but didn't they have to shut down the AICN talkbacks the weekend Firefly came out? Some of them saw it as a crusade to get people to watch it.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 6:35 a.m. CST


    by oh_riginal

    If I remember right, I recall that one of the storylines that would have been used in season six of Angel would have been a further exploration of the Illyria character, and a connection to Fred. It sounded interesting, but I'm afraid I can't recall all the details on what I read, since that was quite a while ago.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 7:13 a.m. CST


    by Shan

    I heard something along the lines that after Wesley was starting to get used to Ilyria, they were starting to find evidence that Fred was in there somewhere and could possibly be salvaged - but the dilemma was that at the expense of Ilryia. Wesley was starting to get attached to her (in a way) and is left with a dilemma. Apparently, they eventually get split into separate entities, so Amy Acker would have been playing two characters at once.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Angel needed just one more season.

    by rev_skarekroe

    Just to wrap the whole thing up properly. But instead we got an ending that just felt rushed. Ah well.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Shan, there was also an Angel comic this year...

    by ComputerGuy68

    A five part series that takes place after season 5. It is suppose to tell us what happened to everyone at the end of the series. I have it but have yet to read it...

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Serenity was WAY over rated

    by Borgnine JR

    It should have been titled "Sci-Fi Channel Presents...Serenity".

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:04 a.m. CST

    "Angel needed just one more season"

    by newc0253

    actually, the season 5 ending was perfect. it could happily have gone on for another 5 years and i was seriously pissed that they cancelled it, but the season 5 ending itself was a fucking brilliant response to the exigencies of the situation.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:10 a.m. CST

    photboy and Rolnikov

    by Ribbons

    Well, people were also bashing Whedon and the movie as well. I get that Harry and Moriarty were constantly harrassed by more zealous fans of the series, but it's not like the "opposition" was any more rational. It was playground bully bullshit. "Not all of it!", some of you may say. Which is exactly my point.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Why have we created another thread about "Serenity"? The film i

    by indiephantom

    for a flop this disastrous, it sure is getting a lot of press. It's a turd: flush it. This looks like a pretty weak Tuesday. I might check out "The Exorcism of Emily Rose" at some point. Mori, why are you hating on John Singleton? I agree he's had some missteps, but I thought "Baby Boy" was amazing, an "Higher Learning" is friggin' cool. Actually, "Four Brothers" would be his worst film since "Poetic Justice"...and yes I've seen "2 Fast 2 Furious". At least that film didn't pretend it was anything but a flashy car chase movie

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Hey! He used my handle!! I want a royalty check!

    by Nerdgasm

    Looking forward to throwing this up on the big screen (with 1280x720 HD projectors costing less than 2 grand...all of you nerds who spend 3 grand on a 42 inch LCD or plasma...are dumbshits...132 inch diagonal in your living room = jizz on the couch, I'll tell you right now).

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Love Serenity, at least the film was made....

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    And it's a crying shame this film didn't do as well as it could have. All it needed to do was $50m domestic. But it could only muster half that. I only discovered Firefly in August, cause I'm Scottish living in Scotland (really!!!!) and Firefly wasn't shown on any proper channel here. But I bought the DVDs off the back of it's word of mouth, I'm a huge Star Wars fan and it sounded good... only worry was I did not like Whedon's previous output... my doubts were unfounded, Firefly is just brilliant and ways that few things are. Everything about it is almost magical and how the cast and stories played out and the music and style... the show was just too good, it's the only explanation to it's downfall. And Serenity, I saw that 3 times in the cinema and I bought the soundtrack (I love the music by David Newman, despite the fact he usually scores crappy comedies). I love this film dearly. I hope there is enough DVD sales to launch a sequel (ala Austin Powers, Transporter and to a lesser extent, The Bourne Identity... although that did pretty good at the box office, but it was HUGE on DVD). Ok, rambling over. Everyone needs to watch Serenity. And just like Joss Whedon says on his intro to the DVD, if you like it tell everyone about it, and if you don't like it, this is the time for a long period of silence. You can't stop the signal? Sadly, you can. But we need to reboot and start it up again on DVD. I've made about 10 Firefly fans in 4 months. I refuse to call myself a brown coat because my definition of a brown coat is a ridiculously obsessed apologist. I'm just a fan. Same way I love Star Wars. I love the prequels, but I'm not going to launch an attack on someone who doesn't. I've shown Firefly to people who, after the pilot and first two episodes, just didn't like it, it's not for everyone as the style could be off putting. Dear Buddah, I want a pony and a plastic rocket.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Dr. Zoidberg, I accept your apology

    by indiephantom

    and you are a browncoat. Can you also admit the theme song for "Firefly" was terrible.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST


    by martinsmith93

    Dude above me: same here. What the hell happened to Tideland? It started off as "Holy fuck! Gilliam gets to make 2 movies in 1 year! Am I dead or something? What's goin' on?" Then 1 turns out to be a bit shitty and the other vanishes without a trace............................... Firefly rules and Serenity was great but I can live without a sequel. The movie got made. Whedon's a lucky guy for that alone. Shit, what I wouldn't give for a Quantum Leap movie.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9 a.m. CST

    Yep. The FF theme did kinda suck.

    by martinsmith93

    Glad they never used it in the movie.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9 a.m. CST

    Re: indiephantom...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    No, the Firefly song is great, if a little Redneck. I'd never listen to it seperately, but I love the little intro. It's all part of the shows charm. And don't bait me, you can't make me angry because I don't frequent this place all that much, I'm not a regular AICN talkbacker. But it's hilarious to read sometimes. I refuse to call myself a brown coat, because as Moriarty says, some of them are really fucking scary and seem to also be Whedon fans in general, and I don't like Buffy or Angel. Honestly, so what if the film bombed? It's a bloody miracle that it got made in the first place. As it stands, there is more Firefly material to watch than many popular film franchises, even though it was cut short. I just like talking about Serenity at this point. I'm a new fan, wasn't even aware of it until May this year, and only saw the series in August. After Episode 3 had been and gone (which I loved, more than I do Serenity), I didn't think I'd be this jazzed about a film with such a particular universe that isn't all that far away from Star Wars.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Unrated Editions

    by fiester

    This seems to be nothing more than the latest marketing trick; most of these "unrated" versions are virtually the same film that ran in the theaters, with maybe one of two extra shots spliced in. The fact that the DVD was never submitted to the ratings board makes it "unrated" but it's an annoying trend. As for the Serenity DVD, the reason the art sucks is probably because they will be releasing new DVDs, one a month, for the next year and a half because they know all the Brown-nose slaves will snap them up to fill out their altars in front of which they kneel and ritualistically lacerate themselves. Did someone above really wish for a "Quantum Leap" movie? In the immortal words of Rick James: "Cocaine is a hell of a drug."

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:13 a.m. CST

    "Did someone above really wish for a "Quantum Leap" movie?"

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    That would be great, just ignore the final episode where we are told he never made the leap home and get the man home for fucks sake. That was a real downer, same level of depression as when they killed Prime in Transformers the Movie. And Serenity, when, well, I won't spoil it but when someone bites the dust.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:15 a.m. CST

    What about, Into The Blue? That comes out today. No love for Jes

    by Orionsangels

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Remember when Serenity was going to be the 2nd Coming?

    by KaptainKurt

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by shutterghost

    Do you think we're going to be hearing about a plug being pulled on Wonderwoman pretty soon. It seems like now that Joss Whedon isn't a bankable director, that they would have to get a huge marquee actress to don the tiara. Can anyone see an actress serious about her career glamming it up in that silly outfit. I know she's a great character, but I believe actresses will see it as suicide. I just want him to do Goner and hook up with Minear. That way Minear can control the Buffyverse DVDs and Joss can go about creating new worlds

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Maybe you should spend that money on getting yourself fixed then

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    You sound worse than a dog to me. The only nerds I see are the ones who drop specs in an attempt to make themselves look better than others. And that looks like you.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Finally, my wife and I will see "SERENITY", with the dvd release

    by JDanielP

    Nothing like that modern day movie-going experience.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:20 a.m. CST

    so universal read this site, hey?

    by GingerTwit

    Damn they must be on edge

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:27 a.m. CST

    On Quantum Leap...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I actually really dug that he never made the leap home. I know that originally that episode wasn't supposed to be the series finale. It was going to be a cliffhanger with some kind of "Hunt for Sam" resolution in the next season, but if the show had to go out, I enjoyed the note it went out on. Much as he wanted to go home, Sam realized hiks work would never be done...and that he was actually responsible for his leaps. It kind of suggested that he might have "died" in that very first episode and managed to keep his consciousness coherent and leaping thorugh time by the sheer force of his will. Pretty heavy stuff. It also leaves the door open for a sequel series. I hear they're working on one where Sam's daughter is leaping through time, looking for him. That could work. As for Whedon, he doesn't sound bitter at all. I hope he does eventually make those direct to video Buffyverse movies, although this interview doesn't demonstrate a whole lot of enthusiasm for that venture. Personally, I'd like to see him wait five years or so and then do a mini that wraps everything up. Show us where everyone landed and give Angel his frickin' happy ever after already. I swear, that guy must be the most sexually repressed hero of all time.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by Roy Neary

    Nuthin's really out this week, Huh?

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Actually that was a series finale Childe

    by Bass Ackwards

    They were fully aware that that would be the last episode at the time. Though I agree, I've always kind of enjoyed the bittersweet ending to the show. And that bit with Sam's daughter leaping in a new series has been "in the works" for years now, doesn't look like its ever gonna actually happen though. Ah well.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I Dont Get The Hate For Serenity

    by Lovecraftfan

    Why do you guys hate Serenity so much. I had never seen the show a nd the movie turned to be a great surpise. Fun, well-written with characters I liked.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Nice one, Mori

    by moviemaniac-7

    Great, but small, interview with The Whedon. Personally, I think Serenity is one of the most entertaining movies of the year (with Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Batman Begins and Kong, that is) and it should

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    I'm a huge Gilliam fan, but thought the movie was OK. It reminded me more of a slightly more fantastical "Jabberwocky". This is worth picking up for the commentary track alone, I'm very interested to see what Gilliam has to say about it. *** Sorry to hear about The Browncoats harrasing you like that, M. I'm a big Whedon fan, especially of Firefly/Serenity, but I'm not fanatical like those idiots.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:06 p.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    I've posted and emailed the staff here about the TIDELAND trailer over a month ago, but nobody seemed to care. Here's the URL again:

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Brothers Grimm

    by cocolopez

    Yeah- nothing staggering- just mildly entertaining. I've actually had the dvd since Thursday and I haven't even finished watching it. Emily Rose really wasn't bad if you go into expecting a courtroom drama.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:07 p.m. CST

    "No love for Jessica Alba?"

    by newc0253

    don't worry folks, i have enuf love for jessica alba to power several large cities indefinitely. and in other news, the firefly theme music might have seemed hokey the first time you heard it but - trust me - once you get into the show, you couldn't imagine wanting anything else. i also agree that david newman's score for serenity may just be the best thing he's ever written.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    This really doesn't give me hope in a Buffyverse return

    by Neo Zeed

    Goners seems like a one off movie. The Firefly universe never really got me "worked up" And I always thought Wonder Woman was stupid. Gee, what else is on TV..oh yeah.. the return of 24 next month... Jack Bauer rulez!!!!

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:26 p.m. CST

    That has to be a record from theatrical release to DVD

    by DC CAB

    Good Lord!

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Re: IAmLegolas

    by moviemaniac-7

    Didn't know the site was up... Fucking awesome. Maybe one of the best movie-sites for a long, long time! Thanks.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST

    The Great Raid is awful

    by Bob of the Shire

    One of the only movies this year that I've truly hated, and I'm a sucker for WWII movies. Benjamin Bratt plays one of the most boring, stereotypical Sargeant types I've ever seen, and what makes it worse is that the script treats him like some sort of enigma. None of the performances really connect, the majority of the film is sleep-inducing and there are some bizarre logic gaps.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Firefly - one of the great tv tragedies

    by oisin5199

    What made Serenity so bittersweet was that, no matter how good it was, it was always going to be a consolation prize in place of five or so solid seasons of what could have been a classic show. It's such a shame when you see the potential there. I've always been a Buffy (show) and Angel fan and those characters and their stories were important to me. I liked them and could relate to them. But my wife and I were discussing how with Firefly, even with 13 or so episodes (as opposed to seven years), we fell in love with the characters. Plain and simple. We had a strong affection for them and their values and their plight. We wanted to see their stories, their interactions, and their adventures. Which is why, I think, Browncoats were so fiercely protective of their show. People get a little nutty when someone they love is attacked. Don't expect rationality. Having the show cancelled when it was barely teething was a huge blow to fans, so naturally they'd be defensive going into the movie situation. It's also a shame that this devotion turned ugly (thus provoking the opposition even more)and was such a huge part of the nasty exchanges on this site, and ironically, against the values of the show. Mori's comments on franchise building are right on, and that's what will ultimately mean these universes will be around for a long time. In my mind, only Trek endures in the same way (even if no other film or show is made). One final comment on the soundtracks. Serenity had its moments, but it's mostly generic adventure film music. It's the show soundtrack that is truly superior, with combinations of folk, twangy guitar and fiddle, haunting piano, great percussive work, and Celtic flavored stuff. Truly unique and beautiful, and for a tv show, no less. Check it out.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 1 p.m. CST



    YES! It's here! It's here! Galactica-night every night till January, fuck yeah.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Firefly Music

    by wackynephews

    Fit the TV show perfectly. Some of the best made for TV movie music I have ever heard. Love the Reavers Theme, just complete bad ass!

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Re: That has to be a record from theatrical release to DVD

    by IAmLegolas

    If you are referring to SERENITY, the movie was suppose to come out in March or May or something like that, but they decided to push it way back to Nov. But they kept the DVD on schedule, so it only seems like a fast turnaround which, as far as I can recall, the record still goes to FROM JUSTIN TO KELLY.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by IAmLegolas

    I meant September, not November.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Fastest DVD turnaround, to my knowledge, was FROM JUSTIN TO KELL

    by Lenny Nero

    I know J2K was only supposed to take three weeks, according to imdb, but took just under three months. The other story is that it only took 29 days. I belive the first story. SURVIVING CHRISTMAS only took 9 weeks to get released. And you know what? While the film wasn't good, it sure as hell wasn't awful either.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Not exactly sure...

    by abesapien you can recommend a film you haven't seen. I know it might have gotten some positive buzz but we're more interested in what you think of it before you decide if you want to recommend it. I mean what if you watch it and end up not liking it.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Has no one seen the new Ghost Rider bits?

    by dr_dreadlocks

    The FULLY RENDERED version, I'm assuming. It's a fucking hilarious joke. I feel sorry for Sony.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Ghost Rider looks Awesome

    by JackKennedy

    Don't know what you're talking about. I think it's great. Hell of a lot better than that shitty art they put up a while back.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I've seen better Halloween costumes.

    by dr_dreadlocks

    Lest we forget this is a 120 million dollar EVENT picture. Those effects are as clunk as a Commodore 64. Oh, but sorry, he's wearing a leather jacket so now he's cool. Do you see any weight or presence to that lovable face? I don't.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Looks great. Needs Quicktime.

    by Ciggees

    I don't know what you're bitching about. Looks pretty fucking cool to me!

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 2:59 p.m. CST


    by Halloween68

    I still like BROTHERS GRIMM. I make no apologies. I'm not sure where all the hate comes from on this film. Any less than stellar Gilliam film is better than most other films that are released on a weekly basis. As I've said many times before. It's obviously Gilliam. Gilliam is all over the film. Anyone who doesn't recognize it is not much of a Gilliam fan. GRIMM is every bit as good as MUNCHAUSEN and JABBERWOCKY. And even as good as the CRIMSON PARAMOUNT INSURANCE bit at the beginning of MEANING OF LIFE. Sure you can tell the studios interfered. And you can imagine the man himself getting frustrated at the people who can't stay out of his business. But you know what? Gilliam has had this problem for most of his career. That's part of what makes Gilliam Gilliam. You can still tell the blatent studio copouts and the places where you just no there was going to be some really truly brilliant Gilliam turn of events, but we just don't quite get there. That's what makes this a lesser film than BRAZIL or FEAR AND LOATHING or TIME BANDITS or even 12 MONKEYS. He doesn't win as many battles as he loses. In the end's still Gilliam. And you either like Gilliam or you don't. There's really no in between. Unless you continue to bide your time waiting for that perfect marriage between director and studio. All you want is sequels to 12 MONKEYS starring Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt. Come on folks this is Terry Gilliam not Tim Burton (or maybe to the point of this site: Josh Whetton).

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Gilliam and CGI

    by ScreamingPenis

    I've only seen BROTHERS GRIMM once,so this might not be entirely fair, but the CGI had me squirming. For some reason, it did not seem to work, whereas in 12 Monkeys the CGI was brilliant. I dunno. Maybe he is one of those directors that cannot work with computer graphics or maybe he needs the studio to spend more moeny on the CGI.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Hey, IAmJackoff'sUserID...don't hate me because you wast

    by Nerdgasm

    I'm all about giving tips asshole. Think of it as a Public Service announcement for nerds. News flash. You can buy HD projectors, and have a HUGE (and I mean HUGE) theatrical experience in your own home, for less than the cost of a 42" plasma TV. So, Jackoff, I'm sorry to hear if you just plunked 3 grand down on a LCD or plasma or something....don't feel too bad though, when I watch the NFL on HD my "picture in picture" is around 42". And by the way...I am fixed. Snip Snip.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Bob Of the Shire, give Great Raid a second look.

    by Uncapie

    Benjamin Bratt was portraying Lieutenant Colonel Henry Mucci, not a sergeant. If he came off stiff, well, that's how Mucci was in real life. He was the C.O. who focused on the mission, which was the most successful raid in the history of the U.S. military with only two casualties. One being a camp survivor, the other a ranger. I had the rare opportunity to talk with an elderly man who participated in that raid when he was 18 and he told me it was pretty accurate. Sure, it was slow moving, but everything was factual(Except for the love story.) It was nice to see use of the rarely heard of Alamo Scouts and it showed that the Phillipinos were tough fighters. If you get a chance, read Hampton Sides' "Ghost Soldiers" or check out the doco that they show on the History Channel from time-to-time.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    CGI in 12 Monkeys?

    by Bass Ackwards

    I don't quite remember that. It has been awhile, though I thought I remembered reading that Grimm was Gilliam's first foray into using CGI, and a reluctant one at that, as he only made the choice after the model stuff didn't quite work out.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:09 p.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    INTO THE BLUE is next week, not this week.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Serenity, Firefly and Battlestar Galactica

    by xsi kal

    I loved Firefly, soundtrack and all. Thought Serenity was quite good, but no real substitute for the 20+ hours of TV we would have gotten if Fox had let it stay as a tv show. Battlestar, on the other hand.... I just don't get it. I have seen every episode but the last (the one where the Pegasus showed up?), and I truly dislike almost every character in it. Baltar can be amusing, and I like Adamma when he's not weeping and kowtowing to religious fanatics... but the rest of the cast and crew could fly into a sun for all I cared. Much like season two of Lost, it finally struck me that there was no point in continuing to watch a series that annoyed me as much as it did. So... to get back on track, I can certainly understand that some people found Firefly and Serenity to be anything but their cup of tea, given that B:G seems universally acclaimed, and I'd be hard pressed to sit through another episode of it.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:14 p.m. CST

    regarding the records for theater-to-dvd turnaround

    by themikejonas

    I was actually discussing this in another forum, and did some digging: Surviving Christmas took 60 days to go from theatrical release to DVD release; From Justin to Kelly took 67 days, as did The Real Cancun. Serenity's turnaround was 81 days, the same as Elektra earlier this year.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:21 p.m. CST

    CGI in 12 Monkeys..

    by ScreamingPenis

    ...some of the escaped zoo animals, buildings in the background, driving background, birds flying towards cieling in department store, snow, and other stuff.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 4:27 p.m. CST

    "From Justin to Kelly took 67 days, as did The Real Cancun"

    by newc0253

    the real cancun? i don't think you're allowed to mention that here anymore.

  • ........... Apparently according to this article, it "wasn't ready in time" and will be on the next set - also that the next set will be the 2nd half of the season - not just a full season release leading to having redundant extra episodes and costing more money. So, hopefully this is accurate.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST


    by StarUnlit

    SERENITY is the thematic and spiritual sequel to The Empire Strikes Back! Buy it and watch it often. That is all...

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Mori responded to me!

    by Orionsangels

    He acknowledged my existence! I feel special! To be serious, yeah you're right Mori, my bad.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... it's a nearly naked Alba for two hours. Give me SOME credit.

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 10:33 p.m. CST

    SHORT interview

    by MrCere

    Nice of Sony to think of movie nerd websites but sad that they gave you all of ten minutes. Maybe the hangup part cost you another five? Oh well. What I wanted to ask Whedon: 1). How do you handle having something you love and believe in choke at the box office? 2). Do you think there is ANY future now for Firefly or is it dead?

  • Dec. 20, 2005, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Serenity and Joss Weadon

    by Lukecash

    He made the fatal mistake. You do not mix Cowboys with Science fiction. Some of the worse episodes of any Sci-Fi series is when they tried to go to a "Western" style world. It is one thing, like Lucas to use the TEMPLATE of Samuri and mythology, it is another thing to blatanly try to mesh it in with music and "western" looking backgrounds, sets and aventures stories. It wasn't a bad show- and was getting better. However, Firefly is by NO means the second coming of science fiction. It is more like the Original "Highlander" a neat little cult movie/series

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Question for Buffy fans

    by InspectorDoppler

    When does the Joss Kool-Aid kick in? I just watched the first disc of the first season of Buffy, and it's pretty goddamn awful. Is it like learning snowboarding, does it get drastically better after the first few days?

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Browncoats and Such.....

    by Capt. Spaulding

    Okay, I saw "Serenity" having never seen Firefly. I liked the movie, went home and put the show on my netflix list. What I did not expect was my wife to get hooked. So, yes, my wife and I are both Browncoats (having never watched Buffy or Angel). I, myself, am a converted "Star Wars" fan, having turned my back after seeing Episode III. Basically, if he (George Lucas) doesn't care, why should I? My wife, however, never liked Sci-Fi or Fantasy (I had to drag her kicking and screaming to Lord of the Rings). **********By the by, "Surving Christmas" was on DVD three weeks after it opened in theaters. I remember building that print, breaking it down and seeing it at Wal-Mart the following Tuesday.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by durmer killik

    I bought the Firefly DVDs after reading about them on AICN. And I really liked the show. I went to Serenity the Friday it came out, by myself, at a matinee no less. But today at my local Blockbuster, there were at least 50 copies of "The Island" rented (out of 60), and only 3 copies of "Serenity" available to rent total. And I rented the first one at 6:30 pm. Not quite the monster movie I was lead to believe. The moral is don't believe the ravings of a vocal minority, even if they know what they are talking about.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 2:24 a.m. CST

    don't all talkbackers want whedon dead for some reason?

    by Chief Redcock

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 7:57 a.m. CST

    The Western meets SciFi

    by Halloween68

    I disagree with the old west meeting science fiction can't work argument. 'Ever heard of WESTWORLD, FUTUREWORLD? To a certain extent, the original STAR WARS had an old west feel to it. All the old sci fi series...FLASH GORDON, BUCK ROGERS, BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA...they all had some element of the old west in them. It's been proven time and again that the science fiction and the old west work quite well with each other. There's a lot of things the two genres have in common. The hero, good vs. evil motif can work in any environment. A good old fashion swagger and a gun on the hip. The damsel in distress. Pick any environment you like. It works. Ever watch OUTLAND? You do know that that's HIGH NOON in space? Even some of the low rent attempts, Full Moon's OBLIVION for example, works moderately well.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Halloween68, but most of those were not big a the BO

    by ComputerGuy68

    AND they were from the 70's or early 80's. Times have changed and westerns are not in fashion as they once were. MTV crowd not too keen on them...

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 10:43 a.m. CST


    by lopan

    i like the dude personally, he seems like a decent fellow geek and all, but i've never been able to get into anything he does. i always thought buffy was mediocre at best, never bothered to watch angel for same reason, and firefly was only marginally more entertaining than buffy shit. hate to be a hater, but i really don't see the appeal of this dude. and the fans, oh don't even get me started...

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Whedon Needs to Stroll Down to Best Buy

    by Mr. Smegma

    He is seriously underestimating the quality of AFFORDABLE home theatre coming down the pike. The "theatre experience" is now mostly a pain in the ass and waste of money. Rinky-dink screens, lousy seats, bad sounds, constant interruptions -- that is what many cinemas deliver these days. He is perfectly positioned to do direct to DVD stuff that his built-in audience will lap up and enjoy immensely. But it sounds like a little ego-protection is creeping in by casting home viewing as always inferior to cineplex viewing. "I can't do direct to DVD, my full vision cannot be realized." Bullshit, Joss.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 11:05 a.m. CST

    The space western thing was ok but the future westernspeak is ir

    by Citizen Arcane

    It wasn't enough for Whedon to just have a space western. He had to drive the point home by shoehorning western lingo in with future speak. It was somewhat distracting and obnoxious. Overall, good series/film. Should have done better but the Island should have too. The masses just aren't in the mood for sci-fi that isn't comic book or Star Wars related.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 12:07 p.m. CST

    1st season Buffy and Westerns

    by oisin5199

    Inspector, the first season of Buffy merely lays down the groundwork, sets up the characters and the central metaphor (high school is hell). To serve this, the classic 'monster of the week' episodes were the norm. And it was only a 13 episode season. Yes, the show improves exponentially in the second and third season (everything from the makeup and effects to the writing), really taking those beginning ideas and running with them. And Firefly's 'western' quality (not just the 'template') was what made the show unique and gave it character. They were going for the feel of the Reconstruction era, in terms of theme and setting. Joss admitted that some of it (like the holographic saloon window) was cheesy, but to evoke the values and feel of that period was a very interesting idea that worked quite well, in my opinion. And the language apparently wasn't for everyone, but I also found that aspect another unique quality of the show (especially the Chinese) - it's certainly one of those things that benefits from multiple viewings. Then you begin to see the beauty, skill, and economy in the language (and certainly shows influence from the likes of Shakespeare and Mamet). Though the language was toned down in the film, it still made for some great moments (like 'damaging my calm' or 'twixt my nethers'). Yee-haw!

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    "home viewing as always inferior to cineplex viewing"

    by newc0253

    okay, why is it that people who talk about how great home cinema is are always such whiny fucking bitches? "i can't stand people who talk during the movies", "the popcorn and drinks are so expensive", whine whine bitch moan moan. all whedon did was point out an obvious truth: that even the best home cinema can't replicate the magic of seeing a picture on the big screen. 100 years from now we'll still have cinemas for the same reason that we still have concert halls today (despite 50+ years of recorded music): there are just some experiences that can't be simulated in your fucking front room, you humourless twats.

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 5:40 p.m. CST

    To those who care, Whedon pretty much declared the end of FIREFL

    by Lenny Nero

    It would really take a miracle...a Christmas miracle. Ho ho ho!

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 6:23 p.m. CST

    And to those who don't believe media bullshit

    by oisin5199

    here's Joss's response to that:

  • Dec. 21, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Exactly right, newc0253

    by Tony Mike Hall

    I don't care how amazing someone's home entertainment system becomes, it can never reproduce the crowd-going experience of the theatre (incidentally, I have found the more complex the home entertainment system, the bigger the wanker who owns it). Awwww, is there too much noise in public, you coddled brats? Just shut up and do what I do: bring a 40 in with you, sit back and relax. Still the best way to see a flick. Sack up, you pansies. We are social animals - enjoy the noise, don't bury yourself in your living rooms. Now... why were you looking at me when you called us humourless twats?

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 1:46 a.m. CST

    The group experience is great,

    by Lezbo Milk

    but high end home theater is pretty fucking cool too. If you've got the cash and the space, you can build an absolutely killer home theater rig. Myself, I've got a pretty nice set up, HD projector, THX sound, 132" diagonal screen....I still go to the movies and always will, and will always love it...but if I miss something in the theater that I'm only luke warm on, no biggie. And, I can still get the cinema experience for all my favorite films that arn't playing at the local cineplex. That's what it's really all about, being able to pop in Indian Jones or whatever, and watch it on the big screen whenever you want. So Tony Mike Hall, and totally have no clue why people have huge home theater's not so we don't have to go to the movies, we love the movies, thats why we invest in the equipment, so we can get the big screen experience anytime we want.

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 2:12 a.m. CST

    newcO253 and Tony are dumbshits

    by Nerdgasm

    So newcO253, you probably have no fucking idea what a big time home theater is like do ya? I know this, because if you saw a HD feed, on a 10' screen in somebody's living room, you'd shit your pants. If you saw a constant height 2.35:1, 12 foot wide screen via an animorphic lens, with a THX EX 7.1 surround, in a dedicated home theater, you'd shit your pants, wipe, then shit again. You've go no idea how cool some of the shit out there is nowdays. I still go to movies. I fucking love movies. But I love them at home too. Things I love about my home theater: It's always in perfect focus, the sound is set up just right and it's at the volume I want it at, I can pause the movie to take a piss, I can eat whatever the fuck I want at 1/5th the cost, there is no dumbfuck behind me talking through the whole show, I can watch a movie in my underwear, I can fart without worrying who smells it, no dumb chicks cell phone is going to go off right behind me and I won't have to listen to her bitch to her friend about the dumb action flick her boyfriend just dragged her to, nobody is going to kick me out of my theater for drinking a beer, I can watch whatever fucking movie I want and fast forward it through the lame parts and pause on the titties. Do I need to keep going?

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 3:41 a.m. CST

    "we invest in the equipment, so we can get the big screen experi

    by newc0253

    also, we invest in big systems that we boast about at tedious length because we are overcompensating for the fact that we have small penises. in fact, nerdgasm's is so small, he built a giant electron microscope in his backyard just to study it. seriously, dude, i don't care if you built a life-sized recreation of mann's fucking chinese theatre in your front room, it would still be as pointless as building a superbowl in your backyard so you could watch your own football games. but please, don't stop telling me about your 272.5' megatronic dolby 9.7 supermax home entertainment deathstar yadda yadda blah blah.

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 4:09 a.m. CST

    Good one, Nerdgasm.

    by Lenny Nero

    No seriously. I mean it.

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 1 p.m. CST

    Yes, good one, Nerdgasm

    by Tony Mike Hall

    You're name says it all, you tool. Your obvious pathetic uber-fascination with home theatre equipment betrays the fact that you don't get laid much. We're not saying NEVER watch a movie at home, just as you're not saying ONLY watch movies at home. Glad to hear it. But I'm sick of people CRYING AND BITCHING about the theatre experience. It is what it is: a social experience and, yes, people will talk and there will be noise and that's all part of co-existing. Yes, you can rewind your favorite parts at home, drink beer at home (I remember my first beer too, Nerdgasm) and jack off to your bestiality porno collection at home. We realize. Thanks for sharing. Just stop bitching about theatres - it's still great to go to the movies and you pansy bitches need both sack and shut up and deal with it. It is what it is and always will be.

  • Dec. 22, 2005, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Haha, I see nerdgasm is making friends with his bright personali

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Maybe you should invest time in being a likeable person instead of measuring the length of your (obviously small) cable. I bet you're awfully familiar with your subwoofer hole.

  • Dec. 23, 2005, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Wow, I've never had so many people concerned about the size

    by Nerdgasm

    And who ever said I was a dude? You just assumed? Anyways, when three people have nothing better to come back at me with than to speculate on the size of my genitals, it says to me that I hit a nerve. Anyways bust me it you like, but true rabid movie fans tend to have big time home theaters (I betcha Harry has a hell of a set up). If I ever feel like enlarging my penis, according to you guys, the best way to go about it, would be for me to throw out my home theater and go by a 13" black and white tv. Cool.

  • Dec. 23, 2005, 9:55 a.m. CST

    You're using Harry as a model to aspire to, Nerdgasm?

    by Tony Mike Hall

    You're dumber than I thought. And for the record, I didn't comment about the size of your package - couldn't care less. I did say that you're likely one of those dorks who doesn't get out much, who bitches about the movies being too noisy. Awwww, poor baby. Has to contend with other people living in the world with him. On second thought, stay in and isolate yourself with your home theatre machinery - I'd rather not have pussies like you sitting next to me in the theatre. Loser.

  • Dec. 23, 2005, 1:40 p.m. CST

    You guys are being kinda hard on the Nerd.

    by Hot Carl

    I don't ever recall him saying he didn't like to go to the movies. Having a big home theater system is a fairly recent developement in home entertainment. For the first time, High Definition displays are becomeing available at cheap prices (less even than many small plasma or LCD tv's). I don't think that having a gigantic home theater screening room in your house makes you an automatic tool like with a small penis seem to believe. I agree with the Lezbo chick, I think people who spend a lot of money on that type of stuff are more likely to be big movie fans and probably see more movies out than most average movie-goers. When it comes right down to it, with todays technology there is a much bigger difference between your old 27" color tv verses a 100+" projection set up, than there is from a big home projections set up to your local googleplex. There are obvious advantages to both, such as seeing new releases, the group experience and in general a night on the town. Where home theaters are really nice is when you bring home that new release DVD blockbuster and want to watch it right away...or when you want to watch a movie that hasn't seen the bigscreen in decades, you can replicate to some degree the theatrical experience. I guess I'm not sure how wanting or owning a big home theater makes you a loser (apparently with a small penis...or an overly large vagina if you're a chick?)?

  • Dec. 23, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST

    All good points, Hot Carl, but...

    by Tony Mike Hall

    you'll see that Nerdgasm instigated the flames by calling me and some other guy a dumbshit first. Them's fightin' words. So he can go fuck himself. We were simply making the point that too many people complain about the theatre experience these days, and they are invariably people who have rigged their living rooms like the Star Trek Enterprise bridge, so they can tuck themselves away from the "noise" of the world in their nice little womb. I have a set-up myself, but, being a social animal as opposed to an anti-social dork, enjoy going to the movies, even if cell phones ring and people talk. It's an event that way, it's a social experience and it's still the best way to see a movie, I don't care how big Nerdgasm's HD screen or penis may be.

  • Dec. 25, 2005, 3:46 a.m. CST

    One major flaw in your argument, George. BUFFY is not the greate

    by Lenny Nero

    CHiPS is.