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Joe Dante's MASTERS OF HORROR Airs Tonight! Mainstream Media Loves It!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Of all the episodes from this first season of MASTERS OF HORROR, the one that seems poised to be the big crossover in terms of discussion and viewership is tonight’s, “Homecoming,” scripted by Sam Hamm and directed by Joe Dante. Ever since it played the Turin Film Festival last month, the buzz has been building, and tonight, it finally airs on Showtime.
So... what’d you guys think?
"Moriarty" out.
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Hands down. Props to Joe Dante. He nailed it!
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I've been stoked on this one for a while. My girlfriend did the hair for this show so I was all stoked when she would come back each day and tell me what they were filming. Even she couldn't tell that so many of these would turn out so awful.... Yay for Zombies!
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Man stop stealing Quint's tagline and posting in Herc's sandpit...
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How about another episode where the hundreds of thousands that Saddam gassed and executed dig their way out of mass graves to go get some payback. No? Well, then...perhaps the 3,000 killed on 9/11 (the ones that weren't incinerated by jet fuel or blown to bits) return to life and go hunting for terrorist cockroaches. I used to like Joe Dante, too...too bad he's turned out to be a Ted Turner disciple.
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I don't say that to make an unoriginal Simpsons reference. I say it because it's true. What a pile of crap. I don't care if I'm liberal or conservative, blatant political rhetoric like that should stay out of mainstream entertainment. If I wanted to hear what you think of George Bush and the war, Joe Dante, I would've asked. And guess what. I didn't ask. I didn't ask because frankly I don't give a shit. I tuned in to see a good horror story from a "master" of the genre and all I got was a piece of crap political commentary. What next, is Michael Moore going to direct a Masters of Horror episode? Actually no, he doesn't need to, I guess, because Joe Dante made the episode for him.
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Friggin' hilarious and spot on political-social satire. The only way it could have been better is if George Romero had been involved.
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It's good to see that the longest talkback is from someone who didn't even see it. How can you complain about a political agenda when you have one of your own?
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Face it!
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I'm embarrassed for you.
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I'm sure it'll play well to the moonbats around here, but that was the most pathetic and outrageous piece of film I've ever seen. Sure, Mr. Hollywood Guy, TELL US what our soldiers -really- think! Especially our DEAD ones! Fucking asshats. Using our fallen war heroes as tokens in your attempt to produce pitiful political propaganda is just shameful. Having American soldiers kill their own honor guard (for the crime of standing there, apparently) will get you SHOT in some parts of the country. I would like to invite Mr. Dante and Mr. Hamm to go to 29 Palms out in the desert, show this episode to the troops there, then announce they will be at a 'signing' somewhere private following the show. I think it's safe to say that'd be the last we hear of them. Asshats. Again I say ASSHATS.
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Seems to me we live in pretty horrific times, and good horror and SF often reflect the time in which they're written. I don't think it's traitorous to support the troops but condemn their Commander-in-Chief for entering a war under false pretenses - how many times must we go through this? The WMD's never materialized, and any programs, plants or plans for same never surfaced, either. You cannot invade a country on those terms, then later act as if your mission had always been to liberate the people - and the people there aren't waving little American flags, are they? No, they're doing everything they can to repel the invader (us) - and, in so doing, putting members of my family at risk - yes, I have family involved in that sad state of affairs. As to the episode, I thought it was nice twist on the standard zombie fare, although heavy-handed in places - but I would say none of the episodes thus far have earned a "Masters" label - when are we going to see something that hits on all cylinders: direction, story, acting, makeup, lighting, etc etc. I thought the first hour of "Dagon" or NOTLD was far scarier than what we've seen...
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None of the undead killed anyone - except the Karl Rove clone who threatened his mother - and the writer and director were very careful to say that most of the soldiers had no beef with the govt. - UNTIL their brothers (and presumably some sisters) had their votes ignored - that would be a valid "bone" of contention, I'd say...
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Dontcha just love 'em? Just a reminder 'Great One' that the democracy your soldiers are fighting so hard to secure allows 'freedom of expression'. One assumes that includes the right of TV writers/directors to make political commentary in the guise of 'entertainment'. I haven't seen the episode in question yet, but that is, I think, irrelevant to my point. To lambast not only the people who created the show, but also those who enjoyed it as 'traitorous' would suggest you had some serious issues. You sad person.
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I thought that the zombie stuff was good. The ideas behins it were excellent and the outcome was very well done. It was topical and obviously it has a certain poigniancy that made it all the better. At least it was better than the Mick Garris episode and the Tobe Hooper episode as well.
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/smacks forehead. Try not to be such a stereotype, pal.
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Man, Damn
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Dec 03, 2005 8:44:42 AM CST
as a conservative guy who watched this episode with a liberal fr
by holodigm
we both agreed that this was absolutely retarded. i've been constantly trying to defend this series to myself and others. i was even okay with Hooper's being 0% horror because it was an interesting enough concept. but this episode was the final straw. where was the horror? this was supposed to be scary. MoH was supposedly a chance for the "greats" to go balls to the wall with their imagination, but instead they do political satires? i was reluctantly willing to put up with this, waiting for maybe something scary, but the kicker was when they killed robert picardo. the one scene he had to actually do something scary, maybe get a little bloody, and he does fucking shadows!? it certainly isn't censorship issues, showtime pretty much let them do what they want. budget issues? if so, that would only prove my point. if they ran amount of money to do the horror scenes because they spent all the money on their political satire, then the priorities are somewhat out of line. it's called Masters of HORROR. the horror should come first, everything else is secondary.
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by "he" i'm referring to Dante, not Picardo. sorry about that.
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Hate on it because it was poorly written and acted. How come everything on Showtime has that unpleasant Showtime badness? You know, you can just kind of sense it within five seconds of watching any Showtime original programming. Don't understand how it rubs off on something directed by Joe Dante after he's been given complete creative freedom. Maybe it's because they use a Showtime crew? Regardless, I was really let down by the Troma-level satire. If you're going to move conservatives to issue death threats (as seen above), you should at least do it with a witty script that isn't completely transparent.
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But I will, and will most likely be irritated by its politics. I'm as conservative as they come, but have never had a problem with stories just because I disagree with their politics. However, when the politics of a story are bleedingly obvious even in a 30 second commercial, you just know they're hitting it way too hard. Subtle allegory is one thing, heavy handed polemics are another. I love Joe Dante, and his was the episode I was most looking foward to, so I hope my trepidations turn out to be wrong.
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It was okay but wat too blunt.
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Dec 03, 2005 11:35:30 AM CST
Hmmm ... Masters of Horror: is it scary? No? Okay. No need to wa
by welther47
The truth is that a good horror film is a simple, beautiful thing ... and I can count on one hand the number of working filmmakers out there today capable of pulling it off. This lack of quality horror films makes me sad, because there is nothing as interesting to me as a really scary film ... and nothing as boring as one that dresses up like one but tries dancing to the wrong song.
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Dec 03, 2005 12:29:49 PM CST
It may not have been "scary" but it was more interesting than 99
by chickychow
So pipe the fuck down. TV sucks balls nowadays, be glad you have the chance to check something like this show out, cuz if it wasn't around then u dingleberries would be wondering why not.. Thank god some eps (like this and the Hooper) stray a little from the presumed format and try to make u think a little. For my money, the Hooper one was the most effective and well-made, but the Gordon and Argento ones (silly as they both may be) were also worth an hour of my time.
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I really have nothing to discuss with you. I just feel embarrassed for you. Even more so now than before.
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You have a cracker where your brain should be. Wear hats - avoid pigeons.
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Your point is completely ridiculous. But I think you know that. If you didn't, I'm sorry, I would have responded to you differently, considering you don't know better.
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Goodness knows why you chose a filmgeek forum to express your extreme, venomous political views and to be honest I am annoyed with myself for rising to your infantile baiting (but it's like a road accident...). The problem I have is that vociferous idots like you make so much more noise than the intelligent majority in the USA, hence the reason so many people outside have a problem with it. I deal every day with colleagues in the US - in fact we have an office in So. Cal. - and when they hear/read about/see people like you, they cringe with embarrassment for the shame you bring on them. I'm not criticising your beliefs, however misguided I may think they are; I'm expressing my opinion about your attitude and the means by which you articulate (which probably isn't the best word for the garbage you are spewing. Best keep your mouth shut or at least make it clear that you are not speaking on behalf of anyone else - just your own little warped microcosm. Oh, and by the way, not every country outside the USA is a 'foreign hell'. But I guess you wouldn't know that as you have probably never ventured beyond your State line and receive all your overseas perceptions from Fox News. As I said above - very sad.
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Dec 03, 2005 2:11:03 PM CST
TV does not suck balls today ... in fact, things are getting bet
by welther47
Okay, so I'm mostly thinking of how much I enjoy almost anything HBO does (with exceptions--"The Comeback" should've been called "The Justgoaway"). "Rome", "Curb", "Sopranos", "The Wire"--I could go on and on about HBO. But outside of that, we get fun shows on other networks like "Lost", "House", "Desperate Housewives", "24", etc. I mean, we can debate the relative merits of these based on taste, but seriously -- TV is good shit these days. And can a get a hoo-rah that Star Wars is coming soon to the small screen? Hopefully, Lucas hires a good crew (erm, i.e., one that limits his particular screenwriting abilities and maxmizes his story and visual input) to put this together, but the idea of Star Wars in the long form (100 episodes) just makes the geek in me giddy. Anyway, TV fucking rocks. That's all there is to it. And there is no reason why a Cable TV horror series to not rock. The problem to my way of thinking is that, frankly, all these so-called "Masters of Horror" are fucking hacks that maybe made one or two good flicks DECADES AGO. Joe Dante was great when he made The Howling, and I even liked Gremlins and The 'Burbs (guilty pleasure), but what has he done lately? Looney Tunes and R.L. Stine? R.L. fucking STINE??? Jesus, man ... I mean, what the fuck? Joe Dante's lost his fucking mind. So has John Carpenter. So has Tobe Hooper (Toolbox Murders, anyone? eck!). So has Wes Craven (fucking Red Eye that everyone raved about is about as mediocre as they come, and Cursed was such a tragic wreck that every time I think about it I start to shake and foam at the mouth). Some people from my neck of the woods used to wish for the Red Sox to win the World Series. Well, fair enough. I have an equally unlikely wish that maybe, if I'm so very likely, will come true: I just want HBO to give David Lynch free reign. That's all. Just give the man thirteen episodes and let's see what happens. For the love of geekdom, HBO--give David Lynch a show. Woo that crazy motherfucker.
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i can' understand why people liked it so much. hell it didn't even have any zombie horror.
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Rome = lame, Curb was funny once and not really that great. sopranos has sucked from day one. House is ludicrously puffed up, Desperate Housewives sucked from day one. Lost was good for one year and this year it's wretchedly stupid. I could go on and on. The only decent show - Arrested Development - is gone leaving me with nothing to watch. I have TV to watch the NFL now because everything else is insanely stupid and poorly written.
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I mean, okay -- Housewives, Lost, and House are iffy (and, in the case of Housewives and Lost, much less good in their second seasons) -- but Sopranos and Curb? Dude, if you can't get behind those, then yours is sadder life than mine. But I agree with you about Arrested Development being great -- I just didn't want to list a canceled show to make my point. :)
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Dec 03, 2005 3:19:37 PM CST
"Americans that disagree with other Americans are anti-American!
by big bad clone
Isn't the point of or country the fact that we can disagree? Every president has been criticized by somebody. Hell, the saintly ones we picked for Mount Rushmore are the ones that faced some of the the greatest criticism. Calm down and get back to the business at hand; bashing Masters of Horror for not having more blood and nudity.
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Sorry, if it makes any difference, I'm from that '3rd world' foreign hell' you would refer to as the UK. As you stated, I am terribly 'jealous' that I don't live in a place where intolerant oafs like yourself have an anal view of the outside world and bow to your great Lord, Bush. Our own leader isn't much better in the integrity stakes, but at least he has a brain. Oh, and by the way, 'the majority' didn't vote for George - just the majority of people who actually voted. Big difference. As I said before, it is fortunated that most of the people I know over there are right-thinking (with a small 'r'), caring, sensible folks who are uncomfortable with the reputation the US has with the rest of the world. Yes, there is a 'rest of the world', mate!
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Dec 03, 2005 4:23:13 PM CST
btw, does this mean we can finally start trashing Sam Hamm's
by welther47
Just sayin'. I know Harry loved it and all, but ... I read it. It was crap. And now that Batman Begins is out, I think we can finally say that Hamm's script is obsolete. Batman Begins is my pick for movie of the year. I fucking loved it. And you know what? It probably had more scary scenes than everything Masters of Horror will dish up over the course of its entire run. Coincidence? I think not.
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Hey Great One, I'm not gonna debate you because I think you're a raving lunatic and you would think the same of me. We'd just get all mad and swear at each other, and you'd have the upper hand because I don't have a glossary for your slang (asshat? moonbat? It's like reading A Clockwork Orange). STILL, I gotta bite. I was curious what you meant when you referred to "one of the primary reasons why the U.N. voted to approve the invasion." When did that happen? The way I remember it, the administration first insisted that going to the UN was for pussies, then Colin Powell finally convinced them to bring it to the UN, so they were going to vote on a resolution authorizing force, but when they didn't seem to have the votes and France was threatening to veto it anyway they backed out and invaded without having a vote. Here is one article I found about it on a quick search: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/
diplomacyend_03-17-03.html
but I'm sure there are many others. Anyway check it out, I figured you would be interested in that information in case you forgot why you were supposed to hate France so much. It was for trying to save our asses from this mess we're now in for 15-20 years. Stupid fuckers! Anyway, to the topic at hand. I haven't seen this episode either (like I said, normal people don't pay for Showtime) but I look forward to seeing it on dvd some day. Sounds alot like DEATHDREAM which is a good and underrecognized zombie picture about how war changes people. -
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a number outta my hat!
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And I will give you the final word as I don't intend to indulge your inane ramblings any longer.
1) Er... France is a different country to the UK. What is happening there is as pertinent to us as the Canadian elections are to the USA. 2. George Bush is a figure of ridicule to most people (and yes, I include his own citizens in that generalisation) 3. I have made it clear I certainly don't 'hate' America. I just believe it's people like you spouting your far-right rhetoric that gives your country a bad name. You may be proud of the Red, White and Blue, but I'm sure that feeling isn't reciprocal. 4. Thank you for winning the war for us. Just like your fellow countrymen in Iraq, I'm sure you were there laying your life on the line for what you believe in. I mean, with all the chest-thumping, you ARE serving your country out there, aren't you? I'm sure your are here jsut on leave and not sitting in front of your TV each night with a six-pack dribbling over your vest-covered obese gut, ocassionally checking to see the gun rack in your pickup is still intact. Anyway, thanks for the entertainment today. It's Saturday night - time for you to don the white robes and set a few crosses ablaze. -
and sucked hard! I mean sucking a ball bearing through a steel tube hard.
And while I'm bitching, Steven Weber wrote and starred in one of the episodes. Can someone please explain to me Steven Weber's exact credentials to be called a "Master of Horror"? (I mean aside from his ground-breaking work on "Wings'.) -
You can't have a Joe Dante effort without Dick Miller! I'm sure they are the same person!
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Joe Dante directs a great hour of horror, politics, and satire, yet people like "GreatOne" (which is an oxymoron if I've ever seen one) come on here and make fools of themselves, with arguments that aren't even worth responding too. These "angry madmen" will always exist, and it's hard not to look the other way. I may sound arrogant, please forgive me if I do, but I don't trust anyone who doesn't see the message and compassion last nights episode conveyed. You don't have to agree, just understand. I commend Dante for using his hour of horror in an intelligent and meaningful way. For those who haven't seen it, I can't recommend it enough.
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First off if anybody can tell me where i can read the Sam Hamm Batman script i would really like to see what the fuss is all about. Thanks if you can. Second off i watched this episode and it was my first and 1. was not scary 2. sucked ass beyond meassure 3. contained more pointless,we're right and "who ever dissagree's is a muderous idiot", crap than i have seen since the war started. I'm not into that bipartisan bullshit. I can understand people like the greatone and the people on the opposing side's arguements. Both have good points,but i agree with who ever said if i wanted to know Joe Dante or Sam Hamms political views i'd fucking ask them. Same goes with anyone else in hollywood. Don't call something Masters of Horror,then turn it into the msnbc thriller chiller of the week. Fucking waste of my time.The worst part of all, i'm a veteran of this war, about as much as one as you can be.Because of physical problems i can't go back,and to be honest, i wouldn't if i could.Not because what we are doing over there is wrong,but because i'd rather be home in my house than in a city where alot of people love you and treat you like Elvis,and a few small are out there fighting you and your buddies as if you were the devil himself. It's fucking scary, not Joe Dante's bull shit Tim Robbins scripted fuckfest.If soilders that were killed in combat could come back that would go hoe and love on there family,not attack Bush. I'm no republican,but if they put out shit like this i'd rag on them more. Niether side is completely right,war sucks,try being in one if you don't belive me.Sometimes it's necessary, we will know if this one was,one day soon i hope.I know of guys at the begining in special forces that witnessed some scary ass shit out there in the desert. Don't think for one minute Saddam didn't want to blow our shit off the map with chemical weapons. George Bush is not perfect either,but hey we will bitch about who ever is in office. Do something about it by voting, apparently more people are Red State people, who knows, hell i just want to keep it seperate from my horror movies from now on.
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Who said this was about conservatives? Seemed like it was about the Bush administration to me.
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You can read the Hamm script here: http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/batman_early.html . And well said on the war. If people want to make a horror movie about a war, why not just make a war film? And you're absolutely right about the resurrected soldiers going home rather than going after politicos. But that just shows you understand the mind and heart of a soldier better than the hack filmmakers who have less interest in telling stories about credible characters than manipulating cardboard ideas around to make a "point".
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you know, the blonde Ann Coulter-like chick who kept babbling about left-wing conspiracies and atheist liberal traitors... i thought the episode was supposed to be a satire, but is it still satire when there people actually act that dumb in real life?
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Dude, lay off the weed. Seriously. There was nothing intelligent or meaningful about that tripe, just a moonbat's fantasy. Perhaps Mr. Dante should spend a year living in Iran or North Korea before making such a pile of dung.
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I don't have Showtime, so this weekend's free trial has been my first time to catch an episode of Masters of Horror, which is a series I've been really looking forward to watching at some point. I really hope that "Homecoming" doesn't reflect the quality of the other episodes, because this episode was piss-poor. My reasons for saying this are as follows:
1) This isn't a horror story. It's very poorly-written political satire. I don't care about politics one iota, but when I tune in to watch a horror film, I don't want to see heavy-handed, stereotypical politcal rhetoric (regardless of the position espoused) dressed up as horror by throwing in zombies.
2) The episode is very poorly-written. As satire and/or a vehicle for a political message, it lacks any nuance or substance beyond very broad, one-dimensional generalizations. Far more importantly, however, as a horror story it fails utterly. It fails to adhere to any concept or theme true to the horror genre, nor does it explore some less-traditional new territory that could still be considered some form of horror or dark fantasy.
Specifically, it evoked no themes or feelings of fear, suspsnse, or dread. It did not deal with any supernatural, spiritual, or existential issues. In short, it is not, in any way, shape, or form, a horror story.
In truth, it's not much of a story at all. There is no explanation for why the narrator's "wish" brought back the dead, of course, but then there's little reason for anything that happens in the story. All of the characters are one-dimensional, with their actions having no subtext or greater meaning aside from ploddingly advancing the sloppy plot/message being conveyed.
3)Poor acting. Across the board, the main actors were terrible. Whether do to poor direction or lack of talent, I've seen much better acting in grade-D SciFi channel movies. Nearly every reaction was either overblown, insincere, or both, and the overall delivery looked like it belonged in an underperforming high school play.
4) Poor directing. I'm not overly familiar with Joe Dante's past work, but I can say that the direction in the film was amateurish at best. Parts of the episode were merely generic in their presentation, on par with an old episode of Tales of the Darkside (a show who's worst ep was better than this by leaps and bounds). At other times, the cinematography, choice of imagery, and overall creative direction (or lack thereof) is poor enough that it actually completes with the dreadful story and terrible acting for the worst aspect of this episode.
In summary, this episode is an insult to horror fans, as well as to anyone else looking for a good "film" of any sort. I find it ironic that in conveying the image of political talking heads as being blunt, dishonest, and hypocritical (which I actually agree with), "Homecoming" displays all three of these failings in spades. It's a poorly-concieved waste of an hour, and I really hope that it is not a sign of the quality control of the series as a whole.
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I just did a search on Joe Dante's past credits. Most of his prior works are garbage, but I did see a couple things that I think alot of for various reasons. First, the Gremlins movies, which I grew up loving. Second, the "Shadow Man" ep of the '80s Twilight Zone, which remains one of my favorite episodes of any run of that series. Very cool stuff.
So what does that mean for Dante's body of work? That he probably peaked 20 years ago.
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Dante should've stuck with the original story - gun victims coming back to support a gun-control candidate. The politics of Homecoming overshadow the story.
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When I get zombies, I want fucking zombie violence goddamnit.
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Listen, man. You could have used this forum to make an eloquent and intelligent reponse to Dante's film, and to the politics behind it. Instead you dismissed everyone who disagrees with you as an un-American traitor. That shows you have a weak mind. Do yourself (and the position you advocate) a favor, and shut the fuck up.
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.. is singing and dancing. Sometimes. Sometimes singing and dancing is art as well. But no story ever told has been worth listening to if it didn't hold some kind of substance that reminds us of our REAL lives. Sometimes these representations are larger than life (satire ... get it.. it's supposed to be exaggerated you dolts).... Let's just be careful when we confuse messages we disapprove of as an attempt at EDUCATION. And I've always found that humorous. Give your opinion to a NEOCON and he immediately interprets it as an attempt at educating him, which is the one time NEOCONS step into reality. You think you need to be educated for a reason. Listen to yourself. Flat out, you guys didn't hate this because it wasn't horror, you hated it because it made you fucking squirm.
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Great One - I am an American. I was born and raised here. I have travelled to many other countries and I can tell you from personal experience that it this is not the greatest country in the world. It used to bbe but it's not now. It's in the top 5. To believe that is incredibly arrogant.
It seems like maybe you should travel a bit and broaden your horizons on your world view. The more I travel, the more I learn about all that is wrong with America. I also learn what I should be greatful for because some things are better here. And I wouldn't be dissing all those "3rd world countries" you speak of. Your job might just be going to one of those countries some time soon just like a lot of other people who worked in the Tech, and manufacturing industries. I'm sorry you have family serving in a time of war. Maybe your anger is a way to cover up your feelings of sadness and concern. Seriously, dude. Why all the name calling and hostility? We're all human beings right? -
But remember part of the debate was over other countries not wanting the resolution to be an authorization of force. You can't honestly interpret "serious consequences" as meaning "invasion" in that resolution since that was explicitly off the table. Anyway all I'm saying is it's harder to "fight the terrorists" when we're busy fighting Iraqis who want us out of their country, trying to prevent a civil war, trying to get the god damn electricity back on, etc. It's like trying to juggle and type at the same time. And then there's the matter of there now being way more terrorists with way better training. Iraq is turning into super-Afghanistan, where terrorists are getting hands on urban warfare training that was never possible before. The war has made al Quaeda bigger and stronger. And it's probaly even made parts of the world sympathize with them, when back in 2001 the whole world was against them. And now we're completely fucked because the longer we stay the worse the violence gets in Iraq, but if we leave we leave it wide open for terrorist Disneyland. So yes, what I'm saying is, I personally hate terrorists alot more than you do. If you really hated terrorists you wouldn't be bending over backwards and rewriting history to justify the policies that support them. You are a terrorist lover who loves terrorists and wants to hug terrorists and give them backrubs. Even worse, you are criticizing a TV show you haven't seen. Sorry bud, you're out of line. (thanks for the calm and polite response though)
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As a *very* recently retired soldier (I retired after 23 years in the army last year) I just wanted to say how disappointed I was in this episode. Not only do they insult me and my fellow servicemen for our support of the war (yes, the vast majority of us support this war and recognize the *REQUIREMENT* for it) but it's stated that the President lied to get us into the war. There was no lie, just a confluence of decades of intelligence to indicate that there were WMD. Hell, Saddam wanted us to believe he had WMD because this kept his neighbors at bay. But more importantly, in the war on terror, we have to change the entire culture in the region and that can't be done by only going after Al Queda. We have to remake the entire middle east and Iraq was a good first step. A decent analogy would be having to "drain the swamp" to get rid of the mosquitos. As long as the swamp is in place spraying for mosquitos (going after individual terrorist organizations) will leave in place the conditions what allow them to develop in the first place. People like Joe Dante and Michael Moore show how ignorant they are every time they open their mouths and worse they show how ignorant they believe *you* are with this crap. Stop proving them right.
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Myself and most others hated this episode because it sucked ass. If ESPN had a new series called "Masters of There Game" and it was touted as being a sports lovers dream show,each week spotlighting an icon in there sport,with highlights of there most memorable moments,Those moments handpicked by the athlete themselves.The third week in Wayne Gretzky's episodes comes on and instead of his best games and interviews,we get him speaking about US relations with Canada and showing half an hour of actors playing stereotypical American fans. I starting watching MOH, when the chick said,"it's one of them" hit the zombie with the car and then told the guy "pop the trunk,there's a semiautomatic in here" I was like hell yeah,Zombies everywhere ,people traveling with weapons all the time,kick ass.Then i proceeded to see the worst thing i have ever heard called "Horror".I guess next week will be Eli Roth directing his own script. It will be about a drop dead handsome cool ass rebel director taking over for his super cool evil genius Idol, an Asian director of horror films. Sounds like the kind of shit they are passing off, letting these guys masterbate there ego on film.
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Is there no depth the anti-war crowd won't sink too? Every time I think they've hit rock bottom, they manage to find another layer.
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GreatOne has provided a ton of factual information, but I guess it was all over your head.
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Good political satire has nuance and wit. This show had neither, I'm afraid. Dante only shows his disrespect for the viewers by knocking out such a forgettable story.
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Dec 04, 2005 2:23:23 PM CST
o one (or, probably should say, very few people) enjoys killing
by havocschultz
except - from what i hear... alot of americans who are trying to prove a point or get the job done or save the world or what-ever the fuck they justify their "invasion" as... and i'm sure you'll lable me as an un-american traitor for saying that... but it won't bother me much - cause - like you - i am from the greatest country in the world - except that it is a little farther north than where you're located... oh wait - that makes me canadian... oh wait - we must suck too cause from what i remember - we didn't support the war either when it first started... y'all just need some stronger beer to calm you the fuck down... maybe in a few years that's wht the states will come and invade us... to control the strong and good beer - but that's ok - we'll just sell it off cheap like everything else anyways... still - claiming that the states is the best country in the world because you said so seems to be a little narrow minded - i'm sure alot of foreigners will claim the same thing about their countries - it's just the way people feel - and to call yourself the most powerful country (and - from what your tone sounds like) - the rulers of the world - well - goodluck with that - so was rome - and i'm sure that's going great for them... and dante has never really been straight ahead horror - it's always been satirical - or comedic or a little off - that's what he does - even with piranha II: the spawning and the howling... he's always been in on the joke with his films... except looney tunes... he was the joke... oh well... back to the strong beer... take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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Dec 04, 2005 3:43:10 PM CST
You know why this episode worked? Look at all the fightin' a
by chickychow
At the very least, u can't say Don Coscarelli's piece of crap started this much talk..
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To address why you think we're the greatest country. You mentioned health care. Our health care here sucks in case you hadn't noticed. There are millions of Americans without health care because it's so damned expensive. Every year my premiums go up at least 40 percent and my services get cut. Less and less is covered for more money.
Our system of government? They left all those people in New Orleans to die. They allow millions to have no health care. They forget the poor and allow outsourcing of jobs and force more people into poverty in doing so. Yes, we can vote. Unless you happen to be one of the unfortunate people to have the same name as a felon and have to go through hell to get your name back on the registers in Florida. Scientific research and development? Uh, sorry, no. The Japanese and the UK are consistantly publishing new and exciting finds every year. We have some people doing some good work here, no doubt. But they get their grants pulled as soon as some religous zealot starts screaming about every little thing being against God. Religious freedom? Yes, I'll grant you we have that. So do lots of other countries so you can't really call that a monopoly. Everyone in Europe has it. Japan and Hong Kong have it. (No, Hong Kong is not part of Mainland China in it's policies despite the handover.)
As far as military goes, I believe we USED to have the greatest military in the world. With the way things are going now, with all the base closures, stretching of tours of duty (which wears people out) and the fact that many of our soldiers are fighting without body armour or armoured vehicles pretty much says it's on the downslide.
What countries are better? New Zealand, Switzerland and Germany. Maybe not militariy, but they have much better health care, better working conditions with more time off for employees, better recycling and environmental policies, religious freedom, democratic governments, and loads of scientific research that is open minded. These countries have their problems as much as anyone does, but the living conditions and jobs are better and the quality of life is higher. The attitudes are more humble and progressive and in the case of Germany, they have learned from their mistakes. They also have better public transportation. -
Dec 04, 2005 5:23:00 PM CST
"Demonstrating why Canadians need America for its survival"?
by i own you
Thank you for that insightful discourse on Canadians.
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"We have no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the 11 September attacks," Mr Bush told reporters as he met members of Congress on energy legislation.
This is from BBC News, Thurs. Sept. 18, 2003
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This is just like the war. I made the mistake of responding to one of your points and now I'm stuck in this bullshit until the Masters of Horror topic leaves the front page. And in the end neither one of us will change, we will just be more sure that "the other side" is a bunch of fuckin idiots. 1. Maybe you should just leave the resolution out of your argument and go the "fuck the UN they are pussies" route that alot of people enjoy. Because it just doesn't wash to use a UN resolution to justify the invasion only because they should've known that we would use poetic license in our interpretation of the resolution. That's too weasely. (I do agree with your logic when it pertains to democrats voting for the war, though. Yes, they voted on a resolution that the administration swore left and right was only to put the pressure on and not to actually start the war they had long been planning. So the adiminstration is at fault but any senator who actually believed them is a fuckin moron.) 2. Terrorists aren't some finite quantity that we've moved to one area to kill. They pop up everywhere and by starting a war that the whole world is against I'm sure we've created more terrorists than we've killed. If somebody burned your family alive in their bed or if you felt a muslim army was trying to control North America you might consider turning into an insurgent or a terrorist or many other things that I'd rather you not turn into. We need you here on the internet, not blowing yourself up. 3. The Iraqis I'm referring to that want us out of their country are the ones who every day set up a bomb or blow themselves up or shoot at our troops. But I should also mention the Iraqi leaders who a week and a half ago asked for a timetable for our troops to pull out and also declared that Iraqis who target foreign troops but not civilians should not be called terrorists and have a "legitimate right" of resistance. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/
2005/11/22/AR2005112200256.html (I split that into 2 so the talkback doesn't stretch. That's probaly why the other one didn't work.) 4. Yes that's bad, but I'm talking about the hands on training they're getting through actual terrorist attacks in a city, as opposed to out in a desert in Afghanistan. (Although they're still poking around there too.) 5. Well hopefully I'm wrong about that. All I know is, we went from the whole world feeling sorry for us to being the assholes that invaded Iraq, pulled people off the streets and raped them and took photos of it and dropped white phosphorous on people's houses and sent in John Negroponte to get the death squads rolling. And now Alllawi is saying that human rights abuses are worse now than before Sadaam. I personally think he's exaggerating to get himself in good with the people so he won't seem like an American puppet. But that goes to show that it's a common view of the situation there. And maybe you're right in one sense, maybe if it wasn't for Iraq sitting there spread eagle waiting to be fucked, some of those terrorists would be focusing on attacks inside the US. That might be true. But are you really saying that's the plan, to have terrorists blow up Iraqis instead of us? "Hey muslims, deomcracy is great! Let freedom spread across the land! Also, do you mind if you guys die instead of us, thanks chumps. I mean allies." 6. Yes, it's good to be rid of Sadaam. It would be better though if we could've tried to figure out a way to get rid of Sadaam but not replace him with the sorts of death squads, torture and chemical weapon attacks that, theoretically, are the reason why we didn't like him. Also, it would be nice to not have daily bombings of civilians. So goodbye Sadaam, hello new problems. As for your other points I disagree with the logic that they are direct results of the war. But Scott McLellan has your back. PART II: Come on dude I was just teasing you. I was trying to be buddy buddy with a guy who came out here with guns ablazing calling everybody who is against the war (which in this country alone is at, what, 69% now?) a traitor and an assbat and a moonhat and whatnot. I really was trying to be nice by complimenting you for staying calm for one post. Anyway I told you in my first post that you would think I was a raving lunatic, and I was right. Terrorist lover. Well, that said, it looks like I can declare victory. Everyone is in agreement now and democracy is on the march here in this talkback. Peace and freedom will spread from talkback to talkback. So I'll pull out now, just in time for the midterm elections. Mission accomplished. -
I like it sometimes. That's what makes Deathdream special. And obviously you can see it in alot of Romero movies. Even RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD is kind of political in the way that the military unleashes the zombies and the way they handle it. I think alot of the best horror movies have something to say about our lives and sometimes that means politics. Of course, that doesn't mean this episode is good, it could very well be bad. I think Joe Dante's last movie was Loony Tunes vs. Brendan Fraser. And the only reason he's a master of horror is THE HOWLING which is good shit, but no AMERICAN WEREWOLF. But think of it this way. Some people like talkbacks to be about movies and not to turn into more debates about the Iraq war. Other people think it's okay. I personally think it's okay and even admirable to have horror movies that take a stand on what's going on in the world today. I just hope Joe Dante did it well, which I will find out when it's on DVD I guess.
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I quote him..."We didn
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I've tried to be polite but I'm done. Fuck you, Great One. It's obvious why you call yourself that. You're the greatest douche bag on the planet.
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Why I chose to engage in an argument with you, I don't know. I tend to try to choose my battles, knowing win or lose atleast it was worth fighting for. But you wouldn't understand a concept like that, would you? I'll grab my balls, and eat my humility on this one. You're right, you win, enjoy your prize of being a moron.
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I already declared victory - this is the end of major talkback operations. Everything's cool don't worry about it.
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And GreatOne, your rantings are both funnier and scarier than any episode of Masters of Horror... you should be in a zoo pal, really, for all to see.
This series has been a huge disappointment and although it was far from scary (BTW: horrific does NOT mean scary... it just means horrific) it at least attempted something other than tits and blood (what GreatOne would probably call "entertainment"), contrary to previous episodes. I'm still holding out hope for Miike's and Carpenter's episodes but not much. -
By "it was far from scary" I mean of course Dante's episode.
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Dec 05, 2005 9:50:16 AM CST
"As soon as your fellow citizens stop streaming across our borde
by havocschultz
yes - i know - us canadians love to cross the border into the states for health care because ours - being free - is just so damned expensive... it makes sense to me - and - if so - then tell your fellow americans to stop buying prescriptions from us online all the time... and just so you know - i drank beer at the same time as writing this point - but i did get my gum stuck in my hair - alas - what can you do... i better sound the air raid sirens cause GreatOne's on the loose and he's about to come north... fuckyourself... and have a great day... take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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Hey, please ignore that pus-head. Da Great White North is great - especially British Columbia ( where one can make a decent blunt connection & enjoy the wonders of nature). Toronto is a truly cool berg. Most of the rest of US don't have our heads up our asses - we are your friends, & wish to Christ we had some semblance of Free Health Care here, as opposed to the ripoff ass raping we have instead. Congress gets free health care - Americans get the bill. And Joe Dante is a groovy cat - his commentary on the new War of the Worlds dvd ( The Gene barry one, that is) is tres neato.
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eh buddy - good words - and thank you for enjoying us canuckleheads - or at least our canucklehead blunts... BC is the coolest - arguably - T-Dot on the other hand is a nice place to visit - you just don't wanna live there - long story - but they do have the filmfest... i'm stuck right in the middle in winnipeg - but it's alright causing the film industry here is booming... at least beginning to boom... (thanks t me... hahahaha...yeah right... whatever...) - and I know alot of americans dig canada... unfortuantely there are a bunch of them that can't find it on a map... but once again - that is another long story/rant... oh well... this has become quite an off topic rant by many of us... but yes - dante is a cool cat - even if everything else he made sucked - he still made gremlins - and that makes him groovy... and the WotW commentary sounds like something to check out... tnx again - rock on and our beer is still better than yours... :) take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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Dec 05, 2005 10:50:24 AM CST
even if everything else he made sucked - he still made gremlins.
by havocschultz
just to avoid some unnecessary bashing (hopefully) - i'm not saying that everything else dante made sucked - i'm just saying that he made Gremlins - so because of that - everything else he made could've sucked - and he would still be groovy... but there is that whole looney tunes issue... alas - i am done... take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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Joe's commentary ( along with two other gents whose names slip my mind) is excellant - even if he'd made Valley of the Dolls. I enjoyed the film with their running commnetary more than just watching the DVD - a wealth of information & anecdotes. If you're a film crazed nut , & I know I am, you'll love these guys riffing through out the film. And its only 9.99 ( dont know what that comes to via exchange rate magic). Meet ya in da BC some day, eh? ( Gremlins... Phoebe Cates ... yummmmm)
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What's with all the Dante bashing on here? Fuck, the guy made The Howling, Gremlins, Explorers, The Burbs, Innerspace and the cool part of Twilight Zone: The Movie!
I haven't seen this TV episode but anything pointing out what a disastrous and idiotic idea it is to invade a country under false pretences gets my vote! Go Joe!
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giggity giggity... the ways in which the war is not being fought well... you don't say - that might be a little un-american to admit that "the greatest country in the world - the be all end all - rulers of the universe" or something like that - however you put it - might not be fighting a war properly - hopefully nobody important is listening - they might call you a traitor and scream TREASON for saying such damning things - i thought the rulers of the world would fight every war perfect... careful - you keep talking like that and they might ship you to canada... can't have that - are free healthcare might not be as expensive as yours... but it ain't all that bad... oh well... take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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I am pure havoc, hence my name... take care... wreak it well... havoc out...
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What is the point of debating with someone as set in their ways as you? For example, you keep insisting that there's no evidence that Bush lied. This is completely ludicrous, there's really no arguing with someone who can allow their brain to work in that way. Here's a couple for you. The aluminum tubes. They were using the aluminum tubes story after the experts already told them the tubes of that size could not be used for uranium enrichment. *I* knew it was bullshit at that time because I read it in the newspaper. So I'm pretty fuckin sure they knew it was bullshit. Then there's the Niger thing. They already knew it was bullshit when they used that one in the State of the Union. They knew the documents were blatant forgeries that didn't even have the correct names on them. (I got a hunch they knew where the forgeries came from too, but that's speculation.) So they hedged it with "British reports say..." or whatever it was, so it wasn't all on them. Dick Cheney - this fucker hates the CIA, because they kept telling him what they were finding instead of what he wanted them to find. So he set up his own fake intelligence branch to take the CIA's intelligence and poetically reinterpret it to mean what he wanted it to mean. There's one document that recently came out where his people were saying they disagreed with the CIA's conclusion and that Iraq was dangerous. Cheney wrote on the margin, "This is great stuff, very encouraging, not like the crap we usually get from the CIA." You should read the article about the Iraqi exile who told the CIA he had helped bury all kinds of weapons in secret tunnels. Intriguing story, so they gave him a lie detector test to make sure he wasn't full of shit. But he failed miserably, so they stopped talking to him. Then he joined the Iraqi National Council and started going around doing speaking engagements about his made up story. And Cheney's office hooked him up with Judy Miller. He was the guy in the baseball hat pointing at the ground in the notorious front page Judy Miller article. The next day, Cheney goes on TV and says, "Well, according to the New York Times..." as if this is the first he's heard of it and you gotta trust the New York Times, they're the paper of record. There are a thousand examples of this kind of bullshit. And I'm sure you've heard 500 of them, but your brain reprocesses them and they turn out to not prove anything. The only leg you have to stand on is that maybe Bush himself didn't technically lie because he is an idiot who believes whatever his people tell him, and really went out there believing that this stuff was true. But the rest of the administration knew it. And personally, I suspect that blaming everything on the CIA might not turn out well for them. They're an organization that it's probaly best not to fuck with.
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TV is actually showing signs of life. HBO has been doing a good job of producing edgy well written shows since the days of Larry Sanders and 'Seinfeld' and 'Simpsons' are arguably as funny as 'I Love Lucy' or anything old people liked to watch. WhatsHisName is entitled to his opinion but 'The Sopranos sucked from day one...' is definitely a new one on me. That being said this MOH stuff obviously sucks.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and take kind of an extremist stance - anyone who says GreatOne is a Nazi is a complete moron. Anyone who calls Vern a assmoon/hatbat is a complete moron. Likewise, anybody who says that the war in Iraq is doing absolutely no good is a complete moron. Similarly, anyone who says that going into Iraq was the best course of action is a complete moron. What we have here is a very complex situation that was precipitated by a knee-jerk reaction to a truly frightening incident (9/11). Nobody, and I mean nobody wanted to sit on their hands after that happened, and so almost immediately, the Bush administration began looking for some way to lash out and put their collective boot up someone's (preferrably desert sand-blasted) ass. At times like that, people only see in black and white, and what they saw was The West versus The East. Then, when France and Germany threatened to veto the resolution that would have allowed the US's poetic interpretation, it became Us versus Them. Regardless, The Surrender Monkeys and The Pointy-Helmets supported the US's ass-kicking expedition into Afghanistan, something that is quickly forgotten by everyone. In addition to them, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, The UK, Albania, Austria, Azerbaijan, Croatia, Finland, the Former Yugoslav Republic of Mace... whatever, Ireland, Sweden, New Zealand, and yes, sending their support from deep within their no-longer-neutral stronghold in the Alps, the decision-shy Swiss jumped into the ring with a folding chair to help beat the everloving shit out of the Taliban, Al-Quaeaeuiida's biggest sugar daddy. That's a lot of countries that agreed to give the US a hand in pantsing the terrorists directly responsible for the unprovoked attack on 9/11. And, so the enemy was routed and laid to waste! It was glorious! Ka-Plah! There really is no question that this was the right thing to do for the planet, and that's why so many countries lent their most precious resource, their youngest and bravest, to the cause. That's why they are still over there, dying for us. In fact, one of my Canadian countrymen (younger than myself, and obviously a better man than I) was killed just last week. That was a cause we ALL believed in, and whether you want to admit it to yourself or not, the US of A needs the support of all the countries of the world to be strong, just like they need each other, and you. It's The World versus The Terrorists and The Self-Interested. That's why, when we saw our American brothers begin turning the rolling ball towards Iraq, a country that according to everyone else's intelligence probably wasn't the best place to invade, we tried to tell them that they needed to slow down and think about what they were getting themselves into. Then when they decided to head in, we had to put our feet down and say that we weren't sending our best and brightest to a front of the war that we didn't agree with. That was when the inherent stubbornness of the US (which, granted, has gotten them pretty far, surprisingly) took hold, and they went in anyway. They didn't do it for any one reason, be it venerable or questionable. They did it for many reasons, and now thousands of their best citizens are paying the price. Because this is such a complicated situation, it is possible to be against the war and still very much in love with your country. But remember, it is also similarly possible to be *for* the war but *not* for your country. One thing is for certain; any reasonable American who participates in the debate is FOR THE TROOPS, and FOR THEIR COUNTRY, no matter what their stance. To accuse them of otherwise is the same as assuming that they wouldn't think twice of killing someone in cold blood. Please don't go into histrionics when arguing with someone, that's just too easy, and it accomplishes nothing. Remember that you're all in the same fight, looking for the same ends, but remember, too, that there are people in power facing either left or right who have no other interests than their own at heart. These are your true enemies. Peace...
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I quote you..."Remember that you're all in the same fight, looking for the same ends".....
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The ends are the same. Peace, liberty, and freedom. No? Same ends, different means.
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I meant 'justice'.
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Same ends, yes. The difference in which we go about our future is what changes everything. It's not as simple as saying all sides want the same outcome. I wish it were. You Canucks are awfully peaceful though. We, Americans could learn a lot from you.
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"These guys are after us and we have to take the fight to them".......
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Thank you for your message, though I feel I should tell you I'm a leftist myself, though I don't consider the right to be completely lost. I just think that when people start yelling, their IQs begin to drop, and nothing comes of discussion. What people have to realise is that you shouldn't be trying to convince the other side to shed their beliefs, you should be trying to find the middle ground. Politics is the ART of compromise. People would do well to learn that DIFFERENT does not mean INFERIOR.
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I don't mean to be boastful or anything, but it was us that brought together the nations and created the UN, which I think was the first step on the road to a world at peace. I know that sometimes it seems that they are bogging things down more than they're getting things done over there at the UN, but every step made within that building is a step forward. Even if they're stepping forward to defraud the oil-for-food program, you must realise that it's a step they made together, arm-in-moneybag-holding-arm! Seriously, though, the thing is that nobody wants to see the world torn apart and their chosen way of life ruined. Everyone wants a nation where you're allowed to do what you want (without hurting your fellow citizen) and not be bothered. The problem is that government and politics has become so incredibly weighed-down with lobbies, monies, and zealotry (on both sides) that it's hard for anyone to tell who is on what side any more. But do remember that the sides are these: FOR THE PEOPLE, and FOR THEMSELVES. When you enter politics, you need to drop your vested interests as much as possible, and so many politicians are getting worse and worse at becoming the selfless ideal. San Diego ... Anyway, it used to be about different ideas on how to proceed, now it's about different EVERYTHING. It's really a shame to see so much in-fighting.
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but there are many examples in the world of countries who have existed in peace for many, many years who do not have the benefit of butting up against the largest military power on the planet. Granted, it's a bonus, but it's also a problem, since most of the trajectories for nuclear warheads pass directly over our most populous areas. If only the rest of the world would learn to be as polite as us, and the apologise once in a while, our bright blue marble might be more peaceful than it is now. But, let me just say that I don't want the world to become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies..... Flim_, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.... Shi... Uh, gosh.
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Quoting you again..."While I did not make as good a career choice as my 2 brothers"...
Good career choice? LOL...That's a first. You really don't know, do you? BTW, I don't need to present an argument with you. You provide me with enough material to last a lifetime. Again, you're a mockery of yourself. This is the last time I respond so feel free to have the last word. Before I go, I'll answer a few of your questions. Why don't I become a peace activist? Well, let's see...There's a difference between me and you. I came on this board in response of a television show that I thought was convincing in its execution, and very dead on describing Americas current situation. You came on to this board with no intention but giving a war cry. I'd like to think I do my part in this society. I am a very productive individual, who has accomplished more than you could ever dream of. Sound arrogant? A little, but I'll use the same qutoe from you I used earlier: "While I did not make as good a career choice as my 2 brothers..." Now I don't know what you do for a living, but I can only imagine it has something to do with road kill, and or overweight womens shoes. Your comment on me becoming a peace activist is worthless and in your words a "good comeback". What does a peace activist accomplish? How does that help our current situation. You on the other hand, with your lousy career choice, can actually do something to further your position, but you don't because, you're a loser. So whine and complain, use your pseudo-intellectual bull crap, and think you know what your talking about. This whole board has seen right through you, and will only continue to laugh and shake their head in disgust. I, on the other hand, let me toot my horn for a minute, have directed a very successful documentary that tackles issues dealing with the government, our society, and the media which has gone on to win awards across the country. So my point is: It's not about winning a debate on a message board, it's about getting out there and doing something to further yourself as a human being and the people around you. That's the problem with your kind. Remember that scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where Michael Moore asks the members of Congress if they'd let the Army recruit their children to go to war? They couldn't believe he would ask such a question. All talk, all hate, with nothing to show. A fucking embarrassment. How's it feel? Oh yeah, Why don't I move to Canada? Too fucking cold. -
There's no convincing you. Even if you were right about the aluminum tubes and the yellowcake (and I don't think you are) you didn't address the stuff about Cheney, the INC, etc. There's no disputing that they were deliberately using lies to trump up the case and discounting evidence that contradicted what they wanted to hear. It's similar to the way you approach this argument: you will be very open to a story about how some but not all scientists believe it would be technically possible although overly complicated to retrofit the aluminum tubes in such a way that they could be used for enriching uranium instead of the conventional missiles they were claimed to be for, but will completely ignore all the information about the administration cherrypicking intelligence, working with obvious phoneys like Ahmed Chalabi and manipulating the media to promote their case. And by the way, notice that I didn't even mention Joe Wilson and you referred to him as my hero three times. Well he's not my hero, I don't even know that much about him. Two things I do know: what the administration tried to do to his family is indefensible and George Bush, Sr. literally did declare him a hero for what he did in Iraq during the first Gulf War. Anyway, I like Flim's post the best, even though I already declared major talkback operations over and I can't understand why there is still all this conflict going on. It's weird.
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Because it's funny, and it makes you think.
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But it's not that col... oh, wait... My balls just fell off and shattered. To be continued...
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Dec 05, 2005 10:30:18 PM CST
Qoting the GrateOne "they'd be plotting against us."
by brucecampbellsrh
Well gosh darnit mister, I sure wonder why that is...
But I'll tell ya, a well-articulated brainwashed rhetoric like yours has me totally convinced you are right. Maybe it was the way you wrote "But guess what, assholes" or "this piece of shit film" (which I'm sure you still have not seen BTW and are posting comments on the REVIEW of a TV show... how pathetic is that, friends and neighbors?). Then again maybe it was those pearls that charmed us all: "Fuck you, you prick. Exchange thoughts and ideas" (LMAO if I do say so myself) "Dumbass." And while we're at it:
"this show was nothing more than pure political propaganda, and an embarrassment to our soldiers and Marines to be used for such purposes. " WRONG! as you are fond of writing. They're actors playing parts and earning paychecks you freaking moron, not soldiers. Getting soldiers killed for false reasons and using them to exert control over a region, now THAT'S more than embarrassing, that is criminaly reprehensible.I'm guessing you weren't on the debate team in school, were you? Probably too busy screwing cheerleaders am I right? blah blah blah. What you fail to realize is that most of the people you spit on, they are just trying to make sure that if your brothers get killed, it will be for a goddamn absolutely right reason. Because "liberal scumbags" believe there should be no other recourse, no avenue of diplomacy left before sending Great Americans to die overseas. Put away your warmongering for a second and look at it with a little distance, disregarding the details. Now who respects soldiers the most: Those who accept that they get killed just because someone says so, or those that want to avoid getting them killed in the first place, especially if there's other options?
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Dec 05, 2005 10:50:14 PM CST
Masters of Horror? More like MASTER CURE FOR INSOMNIA. Frankly,
by triumph poops!
Sorry, but I don't see what anyone's getting excited about with regards to this show. I still Tivo it out general genre interest and in the hopes that a "good" episode will come along soon, but all in all I consider MASTERS OF HORROR to be terrible and cheesy. In fact, it should be called MASTER CURE FOR INSOMNIA since every episode so far has dragged and dragged and is the cure for insomnia. I really had higher hopes for this thing, but so far it's been a total letdown and certainly NOT "horrific" (in terms of scares) at all. Now if you want to talk about it being "horrific" in terms of how bad the show has been, that's another story...
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Dec 05, 2005 10:55:39 PM CST
Oh, yeah, as for this latest entry - HOMECOMING -- talk about be
by triumph poops!
I don't care if someone wants to make an anti-Bush or anti-war film, but for crying out loud AT LEAST try to make it creative and something that can hold your interest. This latest episode was so bad it was ALMOST good...good in the sense that it was laugh out loud badly written, directed, acted. And certainly it's politics were even more laughable. But, hey, nothing like Hollywood trying to wear it's politics on its sleeve yet again AND trying to beat you over the head with a big, important SOCIAL MESSAGE (in capital letters) so that you couldn't possibly miss it. Because, after all, Hollywood and the Lib elite there know what's sooooo much better for you in life than you do. All in all, the episodes have stunk so far, but this one was absolutely the low point of the series for all out crapiness.
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And yet, there's that troubling little document that states they have the right, & the freedom, to think it. And express it. When one point of view thinks it has the right to suffocate all the others, America is in deep shit. ( like, for example, when anyone who doesnt think GWB cured cancer, was the first man on the moon, & won the Viet Nam War is branded as "disloyal", "unAmerican" or "giving aid & comfort to our enemies". One could posit that needlessly getting our soldiers murdered in a shooting gallery without proper equipment, without adequate numbers or without any plan or vision is far more unAmerican. Take a stroll through a veterans hospital, like I have. And yes, I served my country, unlike so many of the warmongering hypes that, gosh what a surprise, didn't. GWB & Dick Cheney leap to mind.) Go for it, Mr. Dante - in America, YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT! And BTW, your commentary on the Gene Barry War of the Worlds DVD was outstanding. Loved it. Merry Christmas, & a Jolly Fourth of July!
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Yeah, nothing says that better than posting on this site does it? You fucking retard.
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I just wnat the whole world to see it. MOH imprint is coming out on DVD. just go to youtube and do a search for imprint. the previews are just what the doctor ordered.
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