Nov. 19, 2005, 10:07 a.m. CST
by Jake Timmons08
What a real original idea.
Nov. 19, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST
by Jake Timmons08
He should have done a show about behind the scenes of the WWE. You could have Bulk Bogan discover Addie Auero's body. "I think he's dead, brother." Then have Meve Maustin do the stunner on Gince Gchman. It's Genius.
Nov. 19, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST
That sounds boring. Actually, it kind of reminds me of that HBO movie "The Late Shift", which was the comedy/drama behind the scenes view of the fight between Letterman and NBC for The Tonight Show. I also thought that movie was boring. BTW, Aaron Sorkin is hardly one of the best screenwriters on the planet. The American President? Shit.
Nov. 19, 2005, 10:16 a.m. CST
if that. Lets not forget Alien Resurrection was fucked over by an idiotic director.
Nov. 19, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST
Because, you know, that's comedy.
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST
by Stanley Spector
United Broadcasting System or something like that. I've been looking forward to this show for years, but now I'm fucking hyped. Not only does the pilot breakdown make the show sound terrific, but if it really is Sorkin's homage to Network then it will be the best thing on TV (after The Daily Show). Sorkin is the new Chayefsky.
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST
And Joss Whedon has said he thinks Aaron Sorkin is a genius. And how is this being like "Sports Night" a bad thing?
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:15 a.m. CST
Artie Lange is actually Italian.
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:20 a.m. CST
by Jake Timmons08
If this guy is such a genius, why can't he come up with another idea besides a variation of Sports Night. Is Joss Whedon's next show going to be about a guy who kills werewolves?
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST
and this sounds like yet another podium for sorkin's political views. yawn. we get it, he's liberal, is he not able to leave his politics out of his material? if not, that's kinda sad. not that i've seen any west wing (besides that recent live episode, which rocked), and sportsnight was nifty, but he should shake things up a little.
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST
by capt jack aubrey
The description of the Studio & showrunner's uncertain role in the larger series reminds me of how the West Wing was originaly concieved. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the original plan for WW to have Sheen play Bartlett only in one or two cameos, that the show would instead focus on the staff? But Sheen's casting and performance made Sorkin decide to make Jed the focus of the show. Can anyone confirm this? (I seem to recall it from a haze of years of TV production trivia, possibly from this very corner of this very site.) Anyway, maybe Sorkin's toying with a similar idea: cast the original Lorne-like showrunner, see how he/she works out, then decide whether or not to bring him/her back or make him/her a larger focus of the show?
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST
by capt jack aubrey
damn shift key
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:52 a.m. CST
Yes, that's right.
Nov. 19, 2005, 12:44 p.m. CST
Over the last few lears I've caught a handfull of episodes of SNL, and in EVRY SINGLE SKETCH Sans is in, he can't stop cracking up at himself. It's more than a little bit off-putting.
Nov. 19, 2005, 12:51 p.m. CST
and very very good. i read the pilot and it is very much like the pilots for both sportsnight and west wing. lots of characters being introduced in the high-tension environment of people getting fired or nearly getting fired. but the familiarity of the plot points only make it that much easier and more comfortable to truly fall for the characters. Herc's inviso text didn't give away the last great reveal about the "controversial" sketch but i will say that, if done right (including the music suggested by the script), the last moments of this pilot will be truly classic and it all just makes me very excited for the season beyond.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:08 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
If you can watch A VERY LONG ENGAGEMENT without feeling some extreme film geek storytelling euphoria, I wish you the best in life.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:11 p.m. CST
There isn't a better tv writer out there. Lost and 24 writers come in a close second. But Wedon? Give me a freaking break. All of his shows were good, but great? They just weren't.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:12 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
Saying this sounds too much like SPORTS NIGHT sort of reminds me of saying FRASIER sounds too much like CHEERS. Bad analogy, I know.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST
If this is as good as "Sports Night" that'll be quite alright with me. I wouldn't call it a re-hash, per se. It's behind-the-scenes on a TV show, but it seems to me like a lot of the relationship dynamics, if not all of them, are different, not to mention some of the main conflicts of the show (censorship, drug abuse, fame). I think this fits in well with the rest of Sorkin's ouevre: a peek behind the curtain. I hope it turns as good as Herc and others have made it sound.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:54 p.m. CST
...turns out* as good, I meant to say.
Nov. 19, 2005, 1:59 p.m. CST
by white owl
give this Sorkin fellow a genius-award; a Nobel and a Pulitzer! Master God Whedon has spoken! All bow to the Master God! Right, Herc?
Nov. 19, 2005, 2:04 p.m. CST
Glad you got to bitch about Whedon and his "cult-like" fanbase some more, but maybe you should look at the post Herc was referring to, you dumbass. The guy who said Sorkin cannot top Whedon in terms of writing. So Herc's respons was "You like Whedon? Well he thinks pretty highly of this Sorkin guy."
Nov. 19, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST
come on peeps... let's calm down here... writers are told to write what they know... Now, besides the fact that I'm sure Joss Whedon has never been turned back into a vampire for having sex with someone, it is a LOT EASIER TO WRITE BLATANT GENRE FICTION. Aaron Sorkin is a master of his craft, and must at least be lauded for the unique way that he makes highly witty, highly intelligent, and highly improbable dialogue sound completely natural coming from actors' mouths. In any case, I can't freakin wait for this show
Nov. 19, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
Or Sanz's commercial for his Mustache Ride family business?
Nov. 19, 2005, 3:47 p.m. CST
by The Garbage Man
Which earns him a free pass in my book.
Nov. 19, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
He was talking about Horatio Sanz. And now, Artie Lange fans hate Herc. Dirty Work is the finest comedy ever made!!!
Nov. 19, 2005, 4:12 p.m. CST
I read the pilot as well. All of Hollywood is "buzzing" about it. I think that's hilarious. however, it is pretty good. Let's see how the execution is...you have the whole West Wing crew working on it. Get a good cast!
Nov. 19, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST
This has been bugging me for a while really. The beginning of season 1 was the rounding out of the first year of Bartlet America, so the election was in 98. mid terms in 2000, season 2. season four was the re-election in 2002, so here we are 3 years later in 2005 looking for the next guy? do I just suck at math, or is NBC just creative at it? Any response would be welcome, meanwhile I'm late for work
Nov. 19, 2005, 5:17 p.m. CST
My favorite bit from that whole norm debacle was when a year later they had him back on to host the show, and for the opening monologue he goes on about how he was fired for "not being funny." then they bring him back and really, is a year a long enough time to go from not being funny enough to being aloud in the building to being so funny to now hosting the show. "And then I realised - I haven't gotten funnier, the show has just gotten really bad... So, in recap, I'm still not funny, and this show blows!"
Nov. 19, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST
but this is getting ridiculous. He's getting mentioned in nearly every post, and frankly, it's only embarrassing me. I think this show sounds really good, and hopefully Sorkin will do good things with it. I'd just like to see Peter Krause return to TV.
Nov. 19, 2005, 6:22 p.m. CST
i mean it hasn't even casted yet, and everyone in the mother is getting a boner over this script....i've read at least four different people, from Herc, to the Sports Guy on ESPN.com, and all of em think the pilot is fucking genius...i'll admit im curious to see what it'll be like, hopefully they can get a good cast, which normally brings good written shows up to great shows (like Lost, 24, etc, well written shows whos cast makes it better)...is there a copy of this on the internet or what to read? im curious how so many ppl are able to read it
Nov. 19, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST
As only a casual West Wing fan, i can't tell what time period the creators sped up or skipped over, but it appears to be late September or early October 2006 on the series. My best guess is they skipped from Spring 2005 to spring 2006 last year in order to feature the presidential primaries.
Nov. 19, 2005, 7:41 p.m. CST
is about a young woman who finds herself alone in a strange world and who has a duty to protect it whether she wants to or not and she has to learn what that means all by herself.
Nov. 19, 2005, 8:39 p.m. CST
by Village Idiot
He was making a retort, and being deadpan about it.
Nov. 19, 2005, 8:55 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
Sorry, that made me laugh. Very very hard.
Nov. 19, 2005, 10:24 p.m. CST
I'll watch it. I'll probably like it. Fuckin' LOVED "SportsNight," longtime "SNL" fan (when it's good, anyway). And yeah, it DOES sound like HBO's _The Late Shift_, but I liked that too. Guess that about makes two cents...
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:07 p.m. CST
was crap. Sorry, but I couldn't stand it. Watching it go through it's transition from mediocre comedy/drama to sitcom was painful and made it evident that Sorkin couldn't create the proper balance to keep the show entertaining as it was originall envisioned. Why should I believe that he can do it now?
Nov. 19, 2005, 11:09 p.m. CST
by Jake Timmons08
I really like the guy who did the Vincent Price impersonation. He's the same guy who did Al Pacino a few weeks ago I think. He's a funny bastard
Nov. 20, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST
by white owl
i just post to flame
Nov. 20, 2005, 1:11 a.m. CST
Well you obviously read at least one of them...
Nov. 20, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST
by white owl
because black stands out to me as i scroll. that's wy i only date black chicks.
Nov. 20, 2005, 6:11 a.m. CST
No one can come close to Sorkin's dialogue, but Whedon writes with more subtelty. Whedon is a smarter storyteller, better with structure with an ability layer his shows perfectly, while Sorkin is a more heart on his sleeve kind of writer. I think both are great but I enjoy them in different ways. To the guy who said he preferred Buffy because you knew with a Whedon writing credit you were getting a great episode, I am sorry but that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Yes if you saw a Whedon writing credit you knew you were going to be watching some very good TV, but other episodes where mediocre while more than 95% of Sorkins's 6 seasons of network tv had his writing credit and you knew at worst the show would be very enjoyable. I am really looking forward to this and I might read one of those SNL backstage books to get caught up in it all (being a Brit I have very little knowledge of SNL).
Nov. 20, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST
Go ahead, but I don't think the stuff going on in this show is much like the behind-the-scenes stuff on the actual SNL. Then again, I don't know much about what happened their either, so maybe you should order an extra copy for me.
Nov. 20, 2005, 10:21 a.m. CST
oh, wait. it's probably 'ironically self-aware' since Sorkin throws in some Network references to cover his ass.
Nov. 20, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST
He sacrifices himself and, in doing so, ends up rescuing the show from mediocrity.
Nov. 20, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST
Comedy: Larry David, Mitch Hurwitz, Trey Parker, Paul Simms (and of course you get writers from their respective shows, ie. Jim Vallely, Abraham Higginbotham, Larry Charles, etc.) Drama: Joss Whedon, Aaron Sorkin, Alan Ball, David Chase, want to say David Lynch or Harley Peyton and Robert Engels from Twin Peaks, but unsure (and of course the same applies as in the above) What do you guys think? Who would you add? Who has really made their mark?
Nov. 20, 2005, 4:35 p.m. CST
I would also argue that Lynch should not be on there, because he typically didn't "writer" episodes, he'd throw out scripts, and just film how he felt and wanted. The series finale of the show is a perfect example of this (not that that's a bad thing)...Larry David being trash? How can you watch something like "The Contest" in Seinfeld and not appreciate the writing. Not only did David perfectly encapsulate humanity and the monotony of everyday life, he pushed the limits you could take TV, and he was damn hilarious.
Nov. 20, 2005, 5:22 p.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
Remember losing the laugh track?
Nov. 20, 2005, 5:47 p.m. CST
by Citizen Arcane
The real talent in Seinfeld. The only thing is that I think he's probably just like George and the way he plays himself in curb, so I don't know how creative his writing is. But it's funny nonetheless.
Nov. 20, 2005, 6:56 p.m. CST
Nov. 20, 2005, 7:15 p.m. CST
I mean, c'mon!
Nov. 20, 2005, 10:31 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
or people making fun of obsessive Whedon posters. The line has been too blurred, I can't tell anymore.
Nov. 21, 2005, 8:08 a.m. CST
Was it because of Richie's similarity to Bush, and all the real-life political references? I can't think of another reason...
Nov. 21, 2005, 8:10 a.m. CST
He wrote all the dialogue, but there were other writers on board writing story lines. And I'd say there were "special" epsiodes, but obviously they never got as wacky as you can get away with on a vampire show.
Nov. 21, 2005, 8:13 a.m. CST
Which was causing budget overruns due to overtime. The network insisted he started working on-time and on-budget, so he walked. Also, the story about Bartlett originally being intended as a minor character only showing up every three or four episodes is true, I think they talk about it on the commentary track for the pilot.
Nov. 21, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST
First, why does it have to be an either/or with you people? Couldn't you like Sorkin AND Whedon? Because I do. I liked Sportsnight, and I liked Firefly. And neither of them are on anymore. And that doesn't mean that either is a bad writer. It's not Student Council President. It's okay to like both. And also, put Shawn Ryan on the great tv writers list. The Shield owns both the above shows.
Nov. 22, 2005, 10:36 a.m. CST
Also somewhat ironic that he in fact wrote for "Angel".