Nov. 16, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST
Son of a gun. And Emma Frost to boot...this X-flick will be chock full of monkey spanking fodder for the geeks.
Nov. 16, 2005, 4:58 p.m. CST
by Man Juice
is what i wanna know
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:02 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
She sang "Touch me in the Morning" and it was one of Idol's WORST performances ever. This movie gets better every day.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:04 p.m. CST
I think you'd rather not know. Why not be surprised. It'll sort of be like when you think you have to fart but instead you crap your pants.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:05 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
Here is her American Idol bio. Didn't anyone learn from Aquaman on Smallville? http://www.fox.com/idol2/contestants/ashleyhartman.htm
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:08 p.m. CST
...here's some info on 'M': http://tinyurl.com/8e7vt. She was a Gen X-er.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST
This is great and all, but where is the story. Every news bite that I've read has been: "A" is showing up in a small role, or "B" has a minor part. Well, ok. Thats great but if there is no story is there a point to it. I remember that when they said that Colossus was going to be in X2 I was extreamly excited. WOW, you got to see him for a full 3 seconds. NOW THATS AMAZING!!! This will be the biggest flop of the year. I'll pass.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST
I love ANTM as much as the next guy, but those chicks can't act on that show, and its a reality show. I'm really worried. really really really worried, not like I wasn't before.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:14 p.m. CST
Why does Ratner think cramming in every third-tier crap character will somehow save this trainwreck?
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:27 p.m. CST
Then after the group disbanded, she joined the X-Men for a spell--I believe it was in Uncanny--and then went on to work for the X-Corp. in, like, Morocco or some place. She's going to become part of the new X-Factor series launching next week, about the continuing adventures of Jamie Madrox, P.I. And Emma Frost is HOT, one of the best X-verse characters EVER.
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:54 p.m. CST
Nov. 16, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST
Anybody remember those? And then Ultimate Universe dopplegangers! Must...have...every...single ...mutant...ever...in...film. Story? Plot? Character development? Fuck man, look at how many mutants we got on screen! Christ. At this point I wouldn't put anything past Ratner. Well, you know, apart from actually making a half way decent film that is. Marvel Movies, sinking faster than the damn Titanic.
Nov. 16, 2005, 6:05 p.m. CST
But not as a cameo by a model. I still say Portia DiRossi would have been perfect as the White Queen in an actual Hellfire Club story, with Ian MacShane as Black King. They come so close to getting it right, but just keep getting it so damn wrong.
Nov. 16, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST
I liked X-2, but they should've stuck with the characters they had and made the story good instead. there's nothing about these movies that makes them better than the cartoon. not one aspect is improved. i really dont think anyone will see this.
Nov. 16, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
Remember that awe you felt watching X2, amazed that it didn't suck? Try to remember that as you watch X3(which you will), and feel that same sinking feeling you had when you realized The Phantom Menace was made by someone who was never convinced that Ewoks were a mistake.
Nov. 16, 2005, 6:45 p.m. CST
Seriously all the bitching. It's pathetic. Get out of your parents' house. Get a life and realize no one wants to know what you've got to say. Just Shut The F@#* Up. Thanks.
Nov. 16, 2005, 6:46 p.m. CST
Fucking Starjammers, space whales, planet of the asparagus people... shit damn, what this series needs is hackneyed space opera! "Do you know what happens to a toad when it gets hit by lightning... IN SPACE????"
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST
but seriously, what this movie needs is a couple more characters... and zak penn writing it... and brett ratner directing it...and a rush to meet a release date...
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST
man, i am really out of loop on my geekery. today is the first i ever heard of this character...
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST
that's X3, but you know, with 239 characters.
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:07 p.m. CST
I heard that Maggie Grace (recently killed off of Lost) was going to be in X3 -- but I didn't see her on the site. I guess she's not in it, eh?
Yeah, fuck Brett Ratner, but I'm going to invest my rage in two others: Chris Tucker & Tom Rothman. Yeah. It's Chris Tucker's fault that X3 will be terrible. NewLine, Ratner, & Jackie Chan had all greenlit the script for Rush Hour 3, but Tucker crapped out. He wanted more creative control. Seriously man, what the fuck else are you doing these days? What, do you have some other giant molestation trial to go testify at? Get Bent. This of course freed up Ratner, just after Matthew Vaughn ditched... and there. The hiring choice is course the fault of Tom Rothman, the FOX head responsible for imploding what could otherwise be some brilliant fanboy franchises. When I was a kid, I bet one of my first hard ons was induced by the notion of a Predator vs. Aliens flick. The fact that the movie got made in the manner it was is unforgivable. Fantastic Four. Let's not get into that. And above all else, sitting on his fucking hands and letting Warner snatch away Brian Singer by not having a new contract prepped. By the way, even though a couple of my friends swear by it, I'll admit to not giving 'Prison Break' a real chance yet. Reason 1 being that they keep preempting Arrested Development for the tale of pretty boy and John Doe (go FOX!) And 2: it's being brought to us by the man whose last two directorial gigs were Mariah Carey's 'We belong Together' video (good to see Eric Roberts getting work though, between that and the Killers video) and the video for Jessica Simpson's atrocious glitch hop cover of 'These Boots are Made for Walkin' off the Dukes of Hazard soundtrack. Class act Ratner, you're a class act.
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:25 p.m. CST
Remember when Marvel announced their slate of titles to develop? Well, seems to me this is prime opportunity to bring on the Power Pack.
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:26 p.m. CST
by 3 Bag Enema
I have a job, and I live alone. And when I tell someone to shut the fuck up, I do it to their face. What about you?
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:39 p.m. CST
Its sounding like its going to be a case of 'Spot the Xman' in this movie rather than 'spot the plot!'
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:45 p.m. CST
they are shooting x3, x4 and x5 back to back to back right? i mean how else you explain the glut of characters
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST
Well, I would be happy for the addition of M and the White Queen, if they weren't going to be wasted along with everyone else. I have a friend who says if he'd make Marvel films they'd all have endless cameos like this, so I suppose he'll happy.______________________________As to M not being an interesting character, as a autistic mutant she has potential...just not in cameo.
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:53 p.m. CST
maybe implement something in the story where she goes away to an island for like 30 years and gets older and more bad ass and then travels back through time.
Nov. 16, 2005, 7:59 p.m. CST
by Gheorghe Zamfir
Glad to see they're putting so much thought into casting, Ratner owe somebody a favor? Though I guess if it ends up just being a cameo for an autistic it doesn't really matter, we'll see.
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:13 p.m. CST
M looks good. That's about what I thought the character would look like. Frost is going to be fucking awesome! Waaaaaay better than Rebecca DeMoranay in that god awful Generation X movie about nine years back.
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST
Anyone have a link to this M? Only M I know is Mr. M from Mutant Town.
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:28 p.m. CST
I posted a Wikipedia link near the top of the TalkBack.
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:32 p.m. CST
We must kill them all before they use their powers against us. Mutants like Ratner are alreadey using their power against us.
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:39 p.m. CST
At worst, they know this will be the film that kills the franchise so they're trying to cram in as many mutants as possible. Why? Dunno, just seems to fit the conspiracy theory. Of course, the problem they're introducing is the Beast from X1 isn't the Beast they've cast for X3, Kitty Pryde from X1 isn't Kitty from X2, etc., etc. They'll want to use these characters later (if they get the chance) so why are they just throwing bodies in there when they'll need actors later?
Nov. 16, 2005, 8:48 p.m. CST
but they keep craming in all these characters to make up for a bad storyline. my biggest problems: not having the sentinels, and instead, making the villain of the movie a politician(AGAIN!!!) who wants to get an anti-mutant medicine to the world...how dumb does that sound against wolvering and cyclops(and gambit damn it...gambit) destroying the enormous sentinels...it almost bring a tear to my eye thinking about the potential of this franchise and what FOX is doing with it....you know, i really want to have hopes for this film, but every time i see some bit of news, it
Nov. 16, 2005, 9:29 p.m. CST
I'd have to strongly agree with this statement. I'm all for the wait and see attitude, but each new news item just makes it worse and worse. This is going to end up being Fantastic Four 2.
Nov. 16, 2005, 9:41 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Seriously. In x2 the "supposed highlight" of this franchise has mega powered heroes attack a bunch of lame soldiers,lamer cops, a chick who Wolverine can whoop in a 30 sec quick cut fight, and Brian Cox. People were expecting 50 ft. Sentinels after that? Sorry, but Avi and Rothman are afraid to go there. Because they believe if they go and have fun, fanboys will say they've gone all stupid and "Shumacher" like. Either that or they're cheap. Or both.
Nov. 16, 2005, 9:54 p.m. CST
...maybe Brett Ratner will finish shooting early.
Nov. 16, 2005, 10:29 p.m. CST
I see we're still getting the knee-jerk Ratner and X3 hate. We still have no idea how these mutants will be used. Maybe they're just background in the school - maybe it's the younger Emma Frost. The site said that maybe they're to build interest for the next generation spin-off. Though this seems like quite a difference from when Singer's people had mentioned Sigourney Weaver as Emma Frost (a mistake, imo). Regardless, to do Emma's character justice, you certainlty have to have a hottie, but one that can act. Frankly, if they're going for lesser knowns, I'd go with Julie Benz, who played the Vampire Darla from Buffy and Angel. She could totally pull off a great White Queen.
Nov. 16, 2005, 10:46 p.m. CST
Beast was in X1? I saw concept drawings on the extras on the DVD, but I don't remember seeing him in the movie
Nov. 16, 2005, 11:28 p.m. CST
I'm just saying, how many supermodels have been rumored to be up for bit parts in the movie? Not even counting Halle Berry and Rebecca Romijn. Like 4? Doesn't that seem a bit excessive to you?
Nov. 16, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST
I keep saying "Can this get worse?" and it keeps getting worse! This movie was a joke so long ago and yet keeps getting more hilarious! So I say CAN THIS GET ANY WORSE?
Nov. 17, 2005, 12:02 a.m. CST
You Singer pole smokers need to chill the fuck out. These roles are cameos only (which you would have realised if you bothered to go to the link before getting all self important). Perhaps you missed the smattering of Mutant cameos in the previous two films? Fucktards......
Nov. 17, 2005, 12:20 a.m. CST
WHAT THE FUCK!!! I think Ratner actually HATES the X-Men and is trying to sabatoge this movie on purpose. That's the answer, he just wants to kill this franchise to spite anyone who ever loved it. He's pissed at Singer for stealing his Superman thunder and is now going to kill the franchise Singer started.
Nov. 17, 2005, 1:23 a.m. CST
Well I wasn't talking about the cameos themselves being excessive so much as the ones by characters who happened to be supermodels, along with the rumors of Ratner's enthusiasm for the "casting couch," which makes all of them (if they're in there) seem kind of questionable. But, okay. How many cameos were there in 'X2?' Jubilee, Siren, Shadowcat, Colossus (in the same scene), Beast, the kid with the blue tongue? That's not really that many. And a lot of them weren't that bad in context. Like I said, four of them were in the same scene (plus Jubilee and the blue-tongued boy were in a couple near the end) and Beast's cameo was the epitome of brief. I can see why people are afraid that this movie might be too loaded with mutant guest appearances, if you run through the list. Of course, there aren't really that many more rumored to be in this one than the last one, so I guess it all depends on how Ratner/Kinberg uses them.
Damnit! I was looking forward to Briana Banks being The White Queen.
Nov. 17, 2005, 3 a.m. CST
by Judge Doom
Nov. 17, 2005, 6:20 a.m. CST
Singer will have his revenge on Fox, with Superman Returns. for the following reasons. one he has the blessing of Richard Donner to make the movie. Will include the long lost footage of Brandon as Kal-el. Singer has a mixture of youth and experience, Routh, bosworth, Marsden, Langella, Eve Marie Saint, spacey Posey etc. I will see both movies next year. to those who Bash Brad Ratner, ill say this, i thought Rush hour movies were annoying and racist(thats you chris tucker) but Red dragon wasnt that bad at all, it all depends on the screenpaly and the strength of that and the effects. BUt Stewart and McKellen are still class.
Nov. 17, 2005, 6:32 a.m. CST
the look at the trailer for happy feet starring Robin Williams doing-shock-silly voices. How the mighty have fallen......
Nov. 17, 2005, 8:15 a.m. CST
God is THAT ever trading down. Yeah I can't see Weaver wearing that S and M stuff, but then not wearing a skin-tight outfit didn't hurt Ian McKellen's Mageneto any. This series has gone from being the one I most anticipated to the one I wish would just stop and disappear.
Nov. 17, 2005, 8:36 a.m. CST
Both of these chicks look like they're 13 years old.
Nov. 17, 2005, 8:42 a.m. CST
I don't know who M is. I thought that was that black dude from the future with an M on his face.
Nov. 17, 2005, 9:24 a.m. CST
But,miss berry wants more screen time for ego develop..I mean, "character" development.. so, let`s kill half the characters and give the other half 5 second cameos, and maybe she`ll be happy.
Nov. 17, 2005, 10 a.m. CST
by Childe Roland
An actual transcript from the set of X3! Following is a word by word recounting of every direction given by Ratner on the set of next summer's hotly anticipated "Mutant Massacre," X3! Spoilers abound!-----Ratner: "Okay! Quiet on the set! Everybody line up! In order of height! Kelsey, you first. Now you James. Halle, what is it? Oh, fine! You can stand in front of Hugh. Who's next? Did we settle on a Collosus yet? No? Okay, just have some extra stand in front of Kelsey and we'll CGI the character in. Keep it coming, people! I want all 75 of the principal characters standing in a very straight line! Okay! Now bring on the soldiers with the assault rifles that fire mutant killing rounds. Chop, chop, people! Okay. The mutants on one side, the soldiers on the other. Camera one, pan down the line of mutants! Camera two, give me some soldier cut-aways. Okay...now give me the wide shot! Bam-bam-bam! We'll insert the muzzle flashes here. Now, mutants! Start dropping! That's right! Ham it up! You each only have about two seconds for your death scene. Camera one? Are you getting all of this? (Okay! Now...as you go down...Hugh, grab Halle's hand. Annnnd CUT! Beautiful! That's a wrap, people!" I understand the last scene is Wolverine's three-clawed fist popping up from the bottom of a pile of charred dummy bodies. It was in Hugh's contract.
Nov. 17, 2005, 10:40 a.m. CST
Where the hell will they find the room for the actual story????
Nov. 17, 2005, 10:42 a.m. CST
and thus we have the inherent problem with comic book adaptations where live action somehow has to imitate super muscly superheroes and immensely cheesecake heroines with physically impossible t&a. The people who look like that are rarely the kind that can actually act. So you get a pro wrestler for Sabretooth instead of an actual actor that could give the character the depth he deserves (though frankly, that's the writing's fault, too). And you get supermodels to play hot mutants. Though I'd argue that with proper character development (as in playing the assassin mastermind, not the henchwoman), Rebecca Romijn would still do a fine job as Mystique. I keep thinking these mutant cameos are going to be for those huge action sequences (like the Alcatraz breakout), Danger Room simulations or background at the school. We'll see.
Nov. 17, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST
Seriously- She's a typical blonde model. Nothing unique or beautiful about her, unlike Emma Frost, who has a certain spark and is always drawn looking like more than your typical model- She's more like a beautiful genius. That Ashley chick looks like she couldn't give Emma even 1/4 the characterization she deserves. She's not pretty, she's certainly not beautiful; She's just bland and cookie-cutter model-looking.
Nov. 17, 2005, 11:22 a.m. CST
they're going to throw in thousands of mutant cameos in this movie for the House of M trilogy in 2010!
Nov. 17, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST
by Tone Def
Julie Benz as White Queen, I like that idea.... As for M. Why? there are so many more interesting characters, even if just for cameos. Why not throw Skin in there. At least he would mix things up with a little bit of ugly to go with all the super models. I'm not yet worried about Ratner. Red Dragon and Rush Hour were good movies. I doubt the X movies will ever top X-2, so really all Brett has to do is not completely fuck it up. He seems compitent enough to do that!
Nov. 17, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST
by Mr. Profit
Nov. 17, 2005, 1:17 p.m. CST
I don't watch the OC so I was thinking of Melinda Clarke which I think with blonde hair would make an excellent emma frost/white queen. This Hartman chick looks too young.
Nov. 17, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST
That's right Howard Stern's sidekick plans on playing the clown everyone loves to hate. Ratner believes that the special Obnoxious the Clown meets the X-men special edition comic plays such a key role in X-men history that he just can't leave this character out.
Nov. 17, 2005, 2:03 p.m. CST
Does anyone actually have a list of all the confirmed mutants (cameo or otherwise) that are going to be in X3?
Nov. 17, 2005, 2:22 p.m. CST
And for my money, da' clown remains one of the best damn Humor-Mag mascots this side of that over-rated "Alfred E. Newman" retard. ;-)
Nov. 17, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST
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Nov. 17, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST
Just hope they don't play musical chairs with the actors, and maybe Ratner can prove he isn't a hack. F Serena.
Nov. 17, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST
For White Queen? Nah, Black Queen maybe. The old Tessa (not the retconned X-Treme version).
Nov. 17, 2005, 5:38 p.m. CST
you are so wrong. Don't know the name of the chick that played her, but I swear she has a skincare infomercial nowadays. Rebecca was supposedly a box office draw at the time (The Hand That Rocks The Cradle) G-X aired, theres no way she would have starred in it. Today, maybe. Back then, no.
Nov. 17, 2005, 5:50 p.m. CST
The Hellfire Club had nothing to do with the original Dark Pheonix saga as written by Clairemont. Maybe since then in the approximate 40 odd X-books on the shelf she might have but to tell the original and pure story, no Hellfire Club is needed at all! And lay of Singer. Gay or not he put the very beautiful Rebecca Stamos in a role and let her act in the sequel and she did a fine, find job. As for supermodels, did anybody think Jean Gray wasn't beautiful enough? NO NO NO! Give me an actor EVERY time before a model. (Stamos qualifies as an actor too, FORMER model.)
Nov. 17, 2005, 6:32 p.m. CST
by Judge Doom
Like, who twisted Jean Grey
Nov. 17, 2005, 6:36 p.m. CST
by Judge Doom
X-Men : Professor Charles Francis Xaiver
Nov. 17, 2005, 7:15 p.m. CST
Will Tobey Maguire be recast by Stephen from Laguna Beach?
Nov. 17, 2005, 8:47 p.m. CST
Woah, Claremont's cameoing in it?? Seriously, that may be a very good sign if the writer of the X-Men for DPS and the surrounding coupla decades is in the movie, maybe he's supporting it. Oh, and MrCere... where the hell did you hear about the Dark Phoenix Saga? Your read one issue of it or something? I honestly can't think of a single version of it that DOESN'T have the Hellfire Club. In the comics Emma and Mastermind corrupt the Phoenix. Same as the cartoon. Hell, even in the Ultimate series the Hellfire club tries to unleash it. Seriously, read an issue before correcting people.
Nov. 17, 2005, 10:04 p.m. CST
Wasn't there a hint in an early draft review that some mutants would be losing their powers? And didn't Iceman just turn human in House Of Magneto? Hmmm...
Nov. 18, 2005, 12:33 a.m. CST
Oops, spoiler alert.
Nov. 18, 2005, 10:13 a.m. CST
If AICN was around in '94-'95 when Batman Forever was getting made, and we'd all be sitting around: "Fisrt! Batman is awesome!" "Okay, so they got the guy who did LOST BOYS and FALLING DOWN, so it could be, okay." "No, this is the fuckwit who made THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING WOMAN and D.C. CAB! This is going to suck dick through a straw (natch). Shoulda suck with Burton." "Wait, so it's a different director?" "VAL KILMER IS BATMAN??? WHAT THE FUCK????" "C'mon, he was Doc Holiday. He was also pretty badass in True Romance. Have a little faith in this Schumacher guy." "All I can picture is REAL GENIUS in a mask and cape." "Okay, Real Genius boy is...whatever. But ACE VENTURA? You don't get a fucking IN LIVING COLOR veteran to play a fucking Batman villian? Is this going to be like the Golden Age comics where Batman screams "Quite or Papa Spank!" First screenshots come out: "What....the hell...is with....the neon???" "GOTHAM LOOKS LIKE LAS VEGAS SHAT ON MANHATTAN!" "Plant!" -- This movie's going to suck and in ten years, we're going to have to pretend this never happend. Fuck.
Nov. 18, 2005, 1:55 p.m. CST
Oh, and MUCH love to Drewchem08 and Graphix67 for bringing up the Obnoxio the Clown issue...
Nov. 18, 2005, 9:42 p.m. CST
something weird happened today. On the way out of the snoozefest known as Goblet of Fire, I saw that my theater had one of those big tacky displays of the X3/Wolvie claw logo. When I glanced it over, a tune popped in my head. That tune was "No Leaf Clover" from Metallica's S&M album. One they did with Michael Kamen and his orchestra. Why did that pop in my head? Because, ever since I first heard that song, I thought a reworked version (i.e. removed vocals), would be a kickass theme for my dream live action X-men series. (A dream that will never come true, but should, because this franchise would work much better on the small screen given all the characters.) I began to hum the bahbuhbah part of the song as I headed for my car. I got in, and I shit you not, when I turned the car on, it was playing on the radio! It's a sign! a omen, I tell you!!! Exactly what kind? I don't know. Hopefully a good one.
Nov. 18, 2005, 11:47 p.m. CST
What does everyone think of this? She already has an accent of sorts, and she can play super bitchy. But in any case, it's gotta be someone who can say, "Intelligent, a biting wit, the best body money can buy, and I still rate below a corpse" convincingly. Or whatever the exact quote was from Astonishing.
Nov. 20, 2005, 6:44 p.m. CST