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Come Mr. Tailie-Man!! LOST Two Point Seven!!

Published at: Nov. 16, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

"Nathan wasn't a good person. That's why he wasn't on the list."

I am – Hercules!!

You’d think Jack would be a busy boy this week. He’d have to tend to Sawyer’s wound even as he decides whether there’s enough of Shannon to mount a resuscitation.

But we hear the season-one cast, including Matthew Fox, pretty much gets the week off.

Will Damon and Carlton and their lackeys make “the tailies” interesting enough to make us forget about Hurley, Locke, Kate and The Hatch?

The real Ana Lucia flashbacks come next week. Then Kate. Then someone of whom we’re not permitted to speak. But I'm guessing we'll soon be permitted, so watch this space.

Meanwhile, reader "Dave" sent in this:

Hey herc, I was just on the www.dharmainitiative.com website (A SITE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE TALKBACKS, REPUTED TO GIVE COMPUTERS VIRUSES) - H], and I noticed they had completely changed the interface.

So I checked the source for the webpage, and found this:

Phase 3 Disclosure: The Dharma Initiative is not a secret international research project. You see, the island is part of another "dimension", I guess you'd call it, and is sort of "in between" the universes that are made of light matter and dark matter. We call it "Dharma". It's part of a whole planet that is pretty much available for colonization. It could also be used as a future conduit for inter-dimensional/intergalactic travel. The only problem is that we can't exist there naturally. The island only materializes when there's a solar eclipse. During that time the unique electromagnetic frequency added to the gravitational distortion allows both it and us to exist within the same space. But that "effect only lasts for 108 minutes, and then the island disappears from our world, taking any inanimate matter with it that's left behind.

If you were standing on the island after the primary eclipse period ended and the 108 minutes were up, you'd feel a great big suck of air and then "PLOP!" you'd fall right back into the ocean. Naked.

We are trying to change that. Actually, Majestic 13 developed a machine years ago that allows us to exist there. It's weird, but once us and the island "disappear" into the Dharma dimension, we have days and nights just like the earth one. But we can't travel more than 42 kilometers outside the machine's effective range.

The plan is to develop a way to genetically engineer animals with the right quantum frequency so they can exist in Dharma on their own. That's what the project is all about, and until now it's been classified.

The fictional tv series "Lost" is part of the worldwide disclosure plan.

-Hope I helped!

-Dave

9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.









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  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:08 p.m. CST

    That's some wacky stuff...

    by LUZER

    ...and seems to make a bit of sense in the Lost-iverse.

  • ...with their invisotext secrets. LUZERonline.com

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:13 p.m. CST

    This website is bunk...

    by pole

    Herc, there are a few legitimate websites for Lost (they all include the ABC disclaimer), this isn't one of them. It really sucks that people like this are getting free press for something that dilutes and confuses the show.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:25 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit

    by Arch_Stanton

    Nice try.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    So, is the episode we can't talk abou titled "The 23rd Psalm

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Is it Mr. Echo's episode? Is that how you spell Psalm? Is that how you spell Mr. Echo's name? I don't know.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, and Herc...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    How long is tonight's episode? They said it was "extended". 5 minutes? 10 minutes? I want to make sure my Tivo (actually Moxi) gets the whole thing.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Special Extended Lost???

    by Drewchem08

    Commericals have been running saying tonights Lost is a special extended episode. I checked the guide on TV and it has Lost as only an hour. Does anyone have info on how this episode is extended? Fewer commericals??

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I forgot all about that whole, "forbidden" thing. Are we back to

    by Mahaloth

    Just tell us, Herc.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Extension

    by HGHGHG

    The "special extended Lost" is a whopping 5 minutes longer!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    dharmainitiative.com would be believable if not for the

    by mrgreentheplant

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    What happened to the monster?

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    Anyone remember the monster, giant growling something that ate a pilot and kept everyone afraid of the jungle. Now everyone's running through the jungle like its nothing, except for the other survivors, though they're not afraid of any monster just the light stepping others.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Take 2: dharmainitiative.com would be believable if not for the

    by mrgreentheplant

    ooh wow that's one of the "numbers"! way to try to make it seem legit, the creators would be more clever. fake

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Even Tom Hanks got away all by himself by this point

    by ChickenGeorgeVII

    I see the problem as this....too much flirting, nothing getting done....here's the solution: THE GIRLS NEED TO PUT OUT!!!! That's right, no more gooey eyes in the surfur shower, no more crying over a sandy bottle...GET THEM PANTIES OFF AND GET BUSY MAKING THE WORLD GO ROUND!!! Nothing...And I mean NOTHING makes a guy work his ass faster than the prospect of getting lucky at the end of the day....them tarty teases need to get down and spread wide...start the snowball of the ride off the island....And thus, and show it! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Jack Mounts Shannon!

    by Diazanon

    You heard it here first kids. Necrophelia. Waste your precious time on earth with our valuable bandwith!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    The forbidden subject....

    by Jimmie Dimmick

    LIGHT SPOILER ALERT!**** I'm not going to give it away because Herc doesn't want it given up yet. BUT...here's a hint. The flashbacks are the secret. AND IT SHOULD BE FRIGGIN AMAZING! Expect a ton of answers/new questions on Dec 14th!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:02 p.m. CST

    WARSTARS

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    That's what the morse code on bigspaceship1 says. If its not a real Lost site, it's still weird. Also has this link: http://www.heavens-above.com/ . I can't get it to work today. It was working last night. It was about satellites. What's up with this "http://dharmainitiative.com/" site? What is NetMeeting? Are they trying to sneek some software onto my computer? I just did a complete reinstall on my computer. I don't want any crap on my hard drives. That's why I wiped 'em clean and started over in the first place. Whatever. I hope tonight's EP is a good one. I checked out the last EP to see if anything fishy happened before Cindy disappeared. I didn't see anything. Libby had a sack before and after the disappearance. She was the last person to see Cindy though. Libby also wanted to rest awhile with Sawyer & Co. instead of moving on. Interesting, but it doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Jacks_Back - Tsk, tsk, tsk...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Such a tease...

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Lost secrets revealed! Oh my!

    by Huffy_Henry

    Ana Lucia is behind the disappearances of the other tailies. She's been dragging them into the jungle, removing the largest two incisors from their mouths with a plier multi-tool she keeps on her belt (what a lesbo!), in order to furnish herself with an unnatural mouthful of Chiclet-sized teeth, which she sticks in her gums with a denture adhesive made from coconut paste. You heard it here first.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST

    the "secret" that can't be revealed...

    by 2dreamofluv

    it's not that "its the island itself whose 'flashbacks' we see" business, right?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    The Greg Initiative

    by Squashua

    Gregory Peck!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:44 p.m. CST

    scratch

    by SteelSimian

    that whole dharma initiative paragraph had me scratching my head and my ass at the same time. very perplexing load of bullshit.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Casting (mild spoilers)

    by Hobbs

    According to IMDb there are some interesting nuggets in the next few weeeks. First, Ana Lucia and Kate must have some history together (or at least crossed paths ala Shannon and Jack). Next week's episode (Ana's flashbacks) and the following episode (Kate's) have four characters in common - "Matthew Reed", "Big Mike", "Shawna", and "Assistant D.A." Some of those may not be from the flashbacks, but I'm pretty sure that "Assistant D.A." isn't a character on the island. Secondly, in both those episodes Dr. Marvin Candle will reappear. Surely we won't be viewing the film a second and third time so perhaps there's another film or Dr. Candle will actually be on the island - or even stranger in the flashbacks. Not a lot can be gleaned from tonight's episode other than one character "Emma" is played by one actress - Kiersten Havelock, but another actress provide the voice (Jillian Clare). Lastly, the forbidden episode entitled "Foundations" probably revolves around Sawyer. Robert Patrick reappears - he was in the episode "Outlaws" in Season 1 as Hibbs, the guy tricked Sawyer into traveling to Austrailia to cap some guy running a shimp stand. No indication though as to why this episode is forbidden.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Buuuuuuuullllshit!

    by Sin86a

    No fuckin' way is that real. It sounds so totally fake it's ridiculous. Whoever wrote that has way too much time on his/her hands. Besides we all know the show will never give us any real answers.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:49 p.m. CST

    I call bullshit

    by Citizen Arcane

    That story is pretty weak. If it's true I'd be disappointed.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sawyer and Austrailia

    by Hobbs

    If I remember correctly, Sawyer appeared in somebody else's flashback in a Sydney police precinct. I don't recall any explanation then or later as to why he was in custody. Perhaps more details about that.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Check out the real site

    by ciardi

    At www.thehansofoundation.org. I know its been mentioned on this site before,but they seem to have new material up. This includes "the Hanso Life-Extension Project," a fake press release about a preternaturally old orangutan.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    In Neo's words: Whoooa.....

    by the_man_from_Rio

    i'm impressed the guy could even type after taking massive bong hits and multiple acid tabs to write that outrageously farfetched bullshit

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Sawyer was in Boone's Flashback

    by holidill

    Sawyer was in Boone's flashback being dragged into the police station where Boone went to try and get the police to do something about Shannon's abusive boyfriend.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:16 p.m. CST

    The sad reality of Lost and most television shows

    by The Colonel

    They pull their punches. The can't afford to make the stakes TOO high. Read up: http://www.intrepidmedia.com/column.asp?id=2396

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:19 p.m. CST

    MAJOR SPOILAGE

    by Purgatori

    DON'T READ UNLESS YOU WANT TO KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED WARNED WARNED So apparently Ana Lucia is LAPD. From what I can tell, she and Kate have a history thanks to Kate's criminal past. I think they crossed paths during the BIG FIRST thing that Kate did, which is going to be covered within the next 4 episodes in a Kate flashback.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Lost runs until 9:04 for Tivo users.

    by Mahaloth

    But plan for a few more minutes.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:47 p.m. CST

    it'd be a little more believable...

    by Holodigm

    if it didn't have that crappy UnLocke pun at the bottom. close but still sub-par.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Why Sawyer was arrested...

    by obidawsn

    Didn't they answer that in the Season One Finale? Sawyer was in the jail (assumingly right after the Boone flashback) and was given a ticket back to the U.S. because they didn't want to spend the money to incarcerate him. I don't exactly remember if they said what he was arrested for (I want to say a bar fight, but I might be thinking of something else). I'd have to go back and watch it.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Solar Wind

    by Bob of the Shire

    And Space Monkeys. What a load of bullshit.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Sawyer was in the copshop during Boones episode because..

    by SamFisher

    ..he had a fight with the Australian Minister for Agriculture and Fisheries.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:57 p.m. CST

    One more casting bit

    by Hobbs

    Matt Moore plays "Travis" in next week's Ana-Lucia episode. Matt Moore played the role of "Husband" in the episode last season entitled All The Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues. His wife was the woman who died when Jack's father made a mistake in surgery (while under the influence). Assuming that this is the same character, Jack has crossed paths with a lot of people - Shannon, Desmond, now Ana-Lucia. Plus, his father met Sawyer before he died. He was the very first character we saw in the pilot episode. Locke is obviously his foil and Hurley and the numbers are clearly inseparable, but if you had to boil this show down to one character, it looks more and more like Lost may be a Jack-centric show.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 2:58 p.m. CST

    The tailies (beware potential minor spoilers, and a big one)

    by TheFount

    This episode will hopefully clear up some of the things floating around recently. Adewale gave an interview that stated Eko was on the island when they arrived (I think in the text, not his quote), but has been seen in promo pics in a suit pulling people out of the water. Then there is the list that may or may not have names and descriptions of people to be "taken." Biggest of all, was Ana Lucia saying, "Remember Goodwin?" in the way the fuselage people would say "Remember Steve" (who was murdered by the others) or the way they would say "Remember Ethan?" if they wanted to point out that not everyone who appears good is good. Should be fun. http://thefount.blogspot.com

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    Life Extension Project Info @ Hanso site

    by Deandome

    Ineresting...you have to think that this will have some bearing on a plot point/points that will arise in the near future. Might we see some animal experiments that weren't quite as successful as Joop...MONSTEROUS failures, if you know what I mean??

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Make that 10:04 by the way. 9:00-10:04

    by Mahaloth

    My mistake.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Libby's Satchel

    by Itchy

    Filled with the chronic, baby. Get ready for a big bonfire smoke out in an upcoming episode, where they all get baked and raid the Dharma Initiative pantry for Apollo bars.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I'd Boone Shannon.

    by bigj3rk

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Fuck Libby's satchel

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    I want her snatch..and whats up w/ the hard nipples all the time? Not that I'm complaining, but she's got some serious nipplitis.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Hanso site

    by ciardi

    No, I expect to see a geriatric orangutan with advanced communications skills appear at some point.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 4:45 p.m. CST

    ROME TALKBACK!!

    by loveyougol

    Where the hell is the HBO Rome talkback. That last episode was unbelievable! Herc please we need a talkback.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    noises

    by ag 721

    Did anyone notice in ep 4 "walkabout" that in one of the flashbacks just as the scene cuts to black that the noise of the calculaters is the same noise as the nanobot "monster" ?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Alternate Dimensions....oooooooo

    by Roy Neary

    The first episode that mentions a different dimension is the last one I watch. cop out bullshit. too easy.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:35 p.m. CST

    by fatsackowind

    they probably wouldn't use the word dimension. it would probably get something less sci-fi kooky...like parallel plane. this show revels on verging towards hokum, but staying a sophisticated distance. they better do something with them flashbacks cuz right now the writers seem to be leaning too heavily on what they feel was a successful formula. give us some progression, damnit! don't get caught into the cul-de-sac the initial concept suggested! listen to me lindelof! im coming for you! btw, where's Paul Dini in this mess? and, why isn't Ben Edlund working on this show?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Libby does not take Cindy's satchel.

    by spacehog

    Watch the episode for yourselves. Not only does it seem like people pick up different bags every time they stop (or between takes), but in the scene where Cindy disappears, Libby is always carrying two bags. She puts one down for a minute to pass some sticks up to Eko. Cindy, when she disappears, is carrying an enormous gray bag over her back that's the size of her whole torso. No one has this one once they reach the top of the hill. Also, this "I'm forbidden to talk about the upcoming episode" thing? Not really fooling anyone. Kind of frightening that you aspire to be Kristen from E!, Herc.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:48 p.m. CST

    The reason there is no Rome talkback is b/c Herc doesn't get

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    Corporate shill...thats why he wont tell us about the one episode cuz ABC would cut him off.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST

    why are you reporting this??

    by quadrupletree

    Everyone knows it's fake, including you. Why are you giving this asshole free press? It's not even well written.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 7:41 p.m. CST

    A ROME tb would be cool considering that INSANE fight sequence!

    by -guyinthebackrow

    I've never seen so many limbs hacked off in a TV fight scene. When Pullo (sp?) chopped off that guy's head with the shield my friend yelled "Jesus Christ on a RoundTable Pizza!"

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 8:23 p.m. CST

    how do we know that guy?

    by Hercules

    Oh! It's Dr. Mike Burton from "Ed"!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST

    how do we know that guy?

    by the crucible

    because kristin from E! told us 3 days ago!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:04 p.m. CST

    CTV F-ed it up?

    by Avant Retard

    Any other Canadians confused about the bonus 5 min? They played the credits at 10 then replayed the last 5 min up to the Shannon's death a secound time. How far did it go on a real ABC channel? If only to Shannon does that mean CTV edited something out of the middle?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Good episode, but nothing too shocking.

    by Mahaloth

    If it had been Nathan, that would have been tons better.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:14 p.m. CST

    That was a awesome episode, and how often can we say that about

    by Shermdawg

    I love that there were no flashb...uh, yeah I guess the whole episode was a flashback, but you know what I mean. Keep the show set on the island, quit teasing us dammit. I was even beginning to like Michelle Rodriguez, but then she tried her best to shed a tear, and well, her best was embarrasingly bad. B.C.A., B.C.A.!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:17 p.m. CST

    I'm happy the tribes have finally merged.

    by JonQuixote

    Now we'll see how well the alliances hold up.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:22 p.m. CST

    haha, u made me laugh JonQuixote

    by puter1803

    but anyways, pretty good episode. i almost kinda missed the flashbacks, i like the connection between the past and present that they reveal. but i did like meeting another "other". its pretty obvious now that theyre taking both "strong" people and children and trying to start theyre own utopian community of some sort. remember nathan saying "theyre better off"? yea, i think thats a big possibility, i bet the head of the "others" is some crazed luny brainwashed from the dharma project and maybe taking it too far and will do anything to get the people he needs to create his perfect community/tribe/village or whatever.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Most brutal fight scene i've ever seen on TV, Thanks HBO!

    by loveyougol

    That fight scene was brutal, better than any fight sequence in Gladiator. Thought Pollo was going to bite the dust, but they can't kill off the greatest tandem in television history. I never really liked Verenus at the begining but the last couple of episodes he's been unbelievable. Can't wait for next week. This show beats Lost hands down.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:31 p.m. CST

    on South Park tonight ...

    by First

    Tom Cruise comes out of the closet!!!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Is somebody behind the scenes an "Ed" fan?

    by Ribbons

    First Carol Vessey, now Dr. Mike.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Rome too

    by TheFount

    I watched that episode of Rome when with the cable on demand when I got home tonight. That was amazingly brutal. Things don't look so good for Verenus' job security though. One thing I love about Rome is the way they show how personal interactions can impact the political situation and eventually history. Even (or is it especially) the women who have no official power of any sort are manipulating things behind the scenes.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:50 p.m. CST

    It's "Pullo" you philistine.

    by Hercules

    Look for a "Rome" season finale post in, oh, maybe three days.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Good episode. It made fun of the show in a way

    by Citizen Arcane

    They covered all 45 days in a tight, concise hour. Excuse me, hour and five minutes. No flashbacks, no padding. Even given what happened to them I still think Ana Lucia is a spaz. I thought seeing what they went through would make her sympathetic but she still overreated when they met Sawyer & co.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Eh, I don't know

    by Ribbons

    Would you trust anyone after that? I can see why she did what she did. It's a little spasmodic, sure, but she's been conditioned to act that way.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:02 p.m. CST

    List

    by Brother_Marquis

    So how about that list? Goodwin said the people on the list were better off and that Nathan wasn't good enough for the list. Does that mean Nathan and the rest were somehow 'bad' and the 'good' ones were taken away for protection? Also, did the list contain their names? I haven't watched it a second time but I remember them saying the list contained their names. How did the others get them? Hmmmm. ALSO, Anna definitely seems like a cop to me. The way she talked Bernard down from the tree, the way she searched the body of the 'other' looking for identification, the way she held Sawyer's pistol. Interesting!

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:03 p.m. CST

    michelle rodruiguez kills that little blonde girl she promised w

    by ectocriminal

    ...by shooting the big blonde girl. i think i'm gonna go with the time rift thing for now. they've all been on the island before, in their lifetimes, and i think i have the little giveaways to prove it for most of them already. or maybe not. maybe it's all red herring. i kind of hope it's not about spacetime, tv and movies always fuck that shit up to the point of it being hilariously bad, and i don't want this show to get hilariously bad.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Goodwin

    by Brother_Marquis

    More observations about Goodwin. He was obviously an 'other' and fooled the talies into thinking he was one of them (for a while, anyway). That means he must have looked like them, dressed like them, talked like them, etc. So he's an American who can live off the land (he started the fire, killed/cleaned the chicken). They made a point out of saying that the 'others' had no tags in their clothes but Goodwin seemed dressed like the other passengers. He must have had access to newer clothing styles somewhere, somehow.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:15 p.m. CST

    walt is echo....

    by ectocriminal

    the people who die/disappear, they're still on the island, just at a different time, which explains the timespace thing, and the fountain of youth thing. or i dunno.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:37 p.m. CST

    http://www.dharmainitiative.com/ may have Trojan Viruses on that

    by ObiWanBrodie

    Hey there, read and went to the site yo uput up Hercules. I am trying to let you and everyone know something that could mess up alot of people, as the site seems to be a scam. I went to the site http://www.dharmainitiative.com/ as it was in this article. It ran NetMeeting, and tried to call "alvar Hanso", then said could not connect. After I went to that site, I ran McAfee and it found 2 trojans that were not there this morning when it ran McAfee. My McAfee Virus Scanner is up to date and runs once a day every day. So I think this site is trouble. It somehow slipped 2 trojan horses onto my machine just like that. Be warned and let everyone know, do not go to http://www.dharmainitiative.com/ .Do not let it start Netmeeting or anything. It seems to be a trap site, although I could be wrong. I hope I am wrong, and if I am, please post what the deal with the site is. Just hoping someone here really go over that site and see what is up with it.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:39 p.m. CST

    But Echo was on the plane...

    by Osmosis Jones

    ...so how could he possibly be Walt?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST

    You're not wrong, ObiWanBrodie

    by I Dunno

    I found the same thing. It's not only a fake site, it's loaded with shit. Stick to selling DVDs, Herc and stop sending people to garbage sites.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Goodwin2

    by oisin5199

    I thought that his clothing was much more neutral, like the Others. I also assumed he was giving the Others information, like names, after he was friendly with the passengers and got the info. I also thought that Eco was on the plane, contrary to his comments. But when everyone was saying they didn't see the one guy, how come no one said, 'hey, I don't remember Goodwin either'. I'm liking that character - dig the 40 days thing, though he's playing the Djimon Hounsou role - the quiet, soulful/mystical vaguely African stereotype. I also found it interesting that Ecko said "you don't know what these people are capable of" but all we've seen is stealth and kidnapping. With the exception of Goodwin murdering the guy from Ed (still not getting the logic of Goodwin's explanation yet), it seems like all the violence was being perpetrated by Ana and Ecko. Final question - wasn't Rose's husband in the bathroom when the plane broke up? How did he get back to the seat?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Maybe he was going back to his seat when the plane started crash

    by Citizen Arcane

    and he grabbed an empty aisle seat and strapped himself in.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Herc, please pull the site, it's not real and can screw up p

    by ObiWanBrodie

    Going to that site is just opening people up to viruses. Think this needs to go down ASAP. Thanks I Dunno.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:02 p.m. CST

    GRR

    by symphy

    Okay, two things. 1) You're not allowed to use the exact same climactic moment for two episodes in a row. :) 2) THEY. CHANGED. THE. DAMNED. LINE. AGAIN!!!!!!!!! Bernard said "we're the survivors of Flight 815" instead of "we're the survivors of OCEANIC Flight 815" -- and NEITHER sounded at all like EITHER version they broadcast (see http://spartancity.com/lost.htm to hear the original audio files). Now, I understand the voice might be different since Bernard hadn't been cast yet (or that they knew it would be him anyway), but to not even have the line in the script the same? That's just laaa-a-a-azy.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Eko is Black Jesus

    by YouInRawbIns?

    The "I'll pray for her/them" and then the 40 days thing. It was just jumping out to me that he was Jesus. Black Jesus. he's also now my third favorite character after Charlie and then Locke. Hopefully the two men of faith/survival guys, Locke and Eko, team up and do something cool.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST

    jaysus

    by MANIFEST DENSITY

    not everything's about bloody christianity, you know.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Don't get me wrong

    by YouInRawbIns?

    I'm not a bible thumper. Not in the fucking slightest. But still, BLACK JESUS.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Trojan

    by Magic Muppet

    I just visited the Dharma Initiative website, and got a Trojan virus for my troubles. So please, post a warning to everyone and nobody. Hrmm, Trojan Horse -- is Lost a Trojan Horse, and are we the sucker Trojans?

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    The Secret of Lost -->

    by Magic Muppet

    Honorius of Autun wrote in "De Imagine Mundi": "There lies in the Ocean an island which is called The Lost. In Charm and all kinds of fertility it far surpasses every other land, but it is unknown to men. Now and again it may be found by chance; but if one seeks it, it cannot be found, and therefore it is called The Lost."

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    How in God's name

    by BankyFan

    Could Charlie be ANYONE's favorite character?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, midnight CST

    A site known for tossing out spoilers like yesterday's garba

    by HappyHamster

    From true fanboy site, to at least partial corporate filter. "Be good this time and next time we'll play nice with you?" Is that how it works? *sigh* Had to start somehow I guess. Oh well, I'll keep coming back. ;)

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:14 a.m. CST

    How can Michelle "SwatCockBlockerBallBreakerBadActor" Rodriguez

    by Sgt. Black

    -a cop? She knows three different deliveries; she does them in all her movies (and what an extensive list it is. How could anyone forget that pearl of theater, that showcase of thespians that is Blue Crush?). But Face-toface with an 'Other' was quite intriguing. Also, kudos to the directors for leaving some clues for us; (dry clothes on Goodwin, etc.) **Eco rocks. The 40 days was for MOURNING. His wife/girlfriend/sister/daughter, whom we saw twice- yellow shirt, dreads. My bones are on that he is a minister in Africa, who was on a missionary trip to the pacific rim. He knows the jungle, moves well. I like the utopian deal, too. **So what happens when we get to the other side of the Island, and Jack's dad is back to life?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Bwaaa ha ha ha. All you spoiler-lovin fanboys are getting a viru

    by Monkeybrains

    You know what they say: Curiosity killed the hard drive.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Ecko was on the plane all right...

    by Jack Bandit

    He was on the drug runner's plane from Nigeria. He was a legit priest, thinking he was gonna go to a missionary or something, and he got caught up with some crooked priests. The two shady priests died in the crash, Ecko lived and chilled on the island until the crash happened, which was when he infiltrated their camp, just like Nathan. Now can you dig it, sucka?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:27 a.m. CST

    A better episode.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    I liked that it was fast, but there was also a little more they could've done. I think it could've been an hour and a half, but whatever. I wish they had allowed us to hear more of what the Other had to say. AND I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR WEEKS NOW THAT THAT WAS A BULLSHIT SITE. Serves you fuckers right. www.thedharmainitiative.com is bullshit. www.thedharmainitiative.org is bullshit. Mrcluck.com and all the related endings such as mrclucks.com.org. etc are all bullshit. The only real ones are www.thehansofoundation.org, www.theislandiswaiting.com, www.oceanic-airlines.com, www.oceanicflight815.com, and... maybe one other that I can't think of.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Very Special Two Hour Episode!

    by Veraxus

    ...was neither special nor two hours. What the fuck was ABC trying to pull this week? Also, this episode was pretty much 100% grade-A worthless filler material. The series would not have been worse off if the entire episode had been scrapped.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:24 a.m. CST

    100% grade A asskicking material

    by AlwaysThere

    Booya. Lost is best show on regular TV. And Rome is the best on Cable TV.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:32 a.m. CST

    DDT

    by Ribbons

    I knew it! The secret character is... Freddie Prinze Jr.!

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:41 a.m. CST

    physics

    by E. Wo

    okay, so when 815 crashed, the cockpit ended up in the middle of the island, the midsection ended up on the beach... and the tail section ended up on the opposite side of the island? how is that physically possible? shouldn't it have crashed in the middle of the ocean? is this a dumb plot hole, or does it mean something?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Would you please refer to Ana-Lucia as AnaL from now on

    by thenatureboy

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:27 a.m. CST

    physics is for pansies

    by one-with-gun

    Okay, the tail section broke off first, crashing into the ocean just off shore, the front end kept going, and crashed on to the other end of the island, separating the cockpit from the rest of it on impact or just before, the mid-section came to a halt on the FAR beach. If you have a real problem with the physics, take a reality check and realize it's a tv show. ;)

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Physics? No one should have survived from any part of the plane.

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Think about it. The tail breaks off first. It basically becomes a large lawndart. It hits the ocean open end first at high speed. The impact would explode the fuselage outward like a bomb, flinging the shattered dead bodies of the passengers all over the ocean just in time for the Shark All-You-Can-Eat Picnic. But that didn't happen. Hmmm. Then the nose breaks off and plumments to the ground. It shouldn't land softly. It should be so much shredded confetti surrounding a crater. Instead, it is found intact laying inclined with one end up in a tree and the other end on the ground. With the pilot still alive! Again, hmmmm. Finally, the center section of the plane crashes on the beach. If it hits the ground at a low angle the debris would stretch back into the jungle far from the beach. But there would be a chance for the fuselage to stay somewhat intact and therefore have survivors. If it hits at a high angle, you'll get a crater in the sand and lots of pieces in a relatively small area like the beach and some of the near by jungle. But then there wouldn't be any survivors. Because they would be some of the pieces in the crater. So, how did they land? They crashed on the beach in such a way that they had large sections of the plane intact and in close proximity to each other. Not strung out all over the place. Just on the beach. AND THEY HAD LOTS OF SURVIVORS!! Hmmmmmm. They didn't so much as crash on the island, as they were grabbed out of the sky and PLACED on the island. Of course, that's only what Locke and I think. It's just a theory.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:50 a.m. CST

    Good ep

    by Trik

    I think that was the fastest hour and 5 mins that I can remember watching.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:53 a.m. CST

    If actual physics were applied to any movie/TV series...

    by Mr_Sleep001

    then we wouldn't have many of them. It's a little cinematic theory called "the suspension of disbelief"

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:56 a.m. CST

    AnaL - Michelle Rodriguez

    by YourHero

    i thought michelle rodriguez was the worst casting ever for a show that has a pretty strong cast cause i really really hate Ana-L, but i guess it turns out to be good casting because i really really hate her character, all that tough girl crap, keeping Ed's best friend in the pit, cutting off the radio, hate this girl. anyone else guessing that it's gonna be ana/jack and locke/eko? eko's the coolest thing to happen to the island since kate in bra and panties.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:41 a.m. CST

    http://www.oceanic-airlines.com/

    by Graham Dalton

    Apologies if this has already been posted weeks ago... view the source code at www.oceanic-airlines.com and scroll all the way to the bottom. Also, SPOILER ALERT!!! Rosebud is a sled. Rosebud... A aled.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Ultimate Lost Theory (Major potential spoilage)

    by Kane

    http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377 This guy has his shit together.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:53 a.m. CST

    I wish Sayid rips her head off!

    by frankenchr1st

    Get that miscast monster Rodriguez OFF the otherwise great show! Now!

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:55 a.m. CST

    hanso website easter egg

    by Graham Dalton

    go the the hanso foundation website and look at the press release re: life extension project. click on the last paragraph of the press release. Also, if you take all of the dialogue in the series and run it through a computer, it predicts, Hurricane Katrina, the Valerie Wilson Affair and Night Stalker getting cancelled.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Graham Dalton

    by Ribbons

    While I'm sure the guys behind "Lost" have to have some more tricks up their sleeves, if I had to guess, I'd say that LEP thing is just a clue that the Others are actually much older than they look.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:02 a.m. CST

    More like it...

    by MaguaSynfield

    Last week I was thinking that this weeks ep was just keeping us from what we really want to see now - Sayid tearing Ana L a brand new shiny one. But. I think it was one of the best eps this season. Sadly for (the guy who got his neck snapped), I knew he wasn't the plant - waaay to obvious. And I am really starting to like Eko - great addition. The bit with the bear caused one of those "oh shit" moments...I liked seeing things tied together ( like the radio conversation with Boone, which Ana fucks up with another wrong guess.) But Eko - looks like The Others have someone to be truly afraid of now. Sweet. Next week ought to rock big time. I just hope they don't make Sayid Ana's bitch like they did with Sawyer. He deserves better.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Limbo Rock

    by hamgravy

    So the episode seems to reinforce that notion that the island is a Limbo of sorts with the survivors having to cleanse their souls before moving on. Of course it's a hodge podge quasi-religious sci fi Limbo. The kids, Shannon's baby, the meek are all free from sin and allowed to pass on, live with The Others in their utopia. Even Eco was going to be taken and then he killed two men and repented for 40 days. The experiment is to watch the ugly ducklings become swans.

  • I mean come on, Ana Lucia attacked and killed Goodwin rather than pump him for more information when he seemed willing to chat for a time. What is this "Nathan wasn't a good person" stuff? How the hell do they know? And what makes some one a "good person?" Are the Others killing the adults they take and only keeping the kids because kids are innocent and thus "good?" Why did Eko do nothing when the kids passed by with the teddy bear several episodes ago? That made me think the kids had to be dangerous (they seemed to be alone), yet NOTHING in the flashbacks backed that up! The Eko I saw this week would have leapt out and killed whoever had the kids and taken them back to Ana Lucia rather than hide! And frankly the Others didn't come off anywhere NEAR as scary as they did before, even with Ethan (although I thought it was a nice touching with Nathan/Ethan). Sorry they didn't have someone as creepy as Ethan playing Goodwin. ********************** I sure Hope Eko WAS on that drug plane because then at least we'd learn that he knows more than he's telling (and maybe why the Others tried to get him first and why they failed). ********************* Dangit, this is the second time this season they've taken two fucking episodes to get to the same exact climax. This had better be the last time! **************************** Why are people so worked up about Michelle Rodriguez? She's not doing a bad job so far, and she reminds me of Vasquez from Aliens. If she was a bad actress in some other bad movies, I really don't care. What idiots go to see crap like S.W.A.T. or Uwe Boll movies and have the nerve to hold a grudge anyway?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:58 a.m. CST

    "Good" people

    by Hobbs

    I got the same impression with the line about Nathan not being a good person. The writers want you to think Goodwin was talking about a moral judgement, but I suspect that he meant good in the same way you pick "good" fruit in the supermarket. They doesn't necessarily convince me that this is a cult, but I agree that "good" did not refer to morality.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:01 a.m. CST

    The show's biggest mystery...

    by Hobbs

    ...will probably never be answered. No, I'm not talking about the numbers or the Others or monster. The big question is: was Nathan really in the airplane bathroom for two hours? If so, why? Maybe he ate the fish.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Chicken Head

    by Green Arrow

    Goodwin didn't rip the chicken's head off, he simply snapped its neck, as anyone who has grown up on a farm would know. Quick, clean, and efficient.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Here comes the religion

    by Banky the Hack

    There've always been serious biblical and spiritual/supernatural undertones to the show...the white and black stones on Adam and Eve and in Locke's eyes, Dharma, Locke's faith, Claire being the only one who should raise her baby unless some sort of apocalypse should happen, Walt's gift, the heroin Mary statues, the Bible in the Dharma Arrow station trunk last night, and then Goodwin's speech about "good" and "bad" people last night. I think it's going to become even more pronounced in the future.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:10 a.m. CST

    He should've had the lasagna

    by Citizen Arcane

    I just read something on another site from one of the creators that annoyed the piss out of me MINOR SPOILERS FROM SHOW'S CREATOR As for the bad luck numbers, the answer is NO answer - Damon saying "I think that that question will never, ever be answered. I couldn't possibly imagine [how we would answer that question]. We will see more ramifications of the numbers and more usage of the numbers, but it boggles my mind when people ask me, "What do the numbers mean?"".......WTF? Theyr'e not going to explain why Hurley's lotto numbers are the same numbers on the island? That's like the biggest mystery on the show? That is fucked up right there.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Michelle isn't Good. Just because she is getting a reaction

    by stlfilmwire

    If you cast JERRY FREAKING MATHERS as Locke, I would have freaking been pissed as all hell with that too. Would that have meant it was a good choice? NO! Get rid of AnaL!

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:35 a.m. CST

    The Numbers

    by stlfilmwire

    The numbers aren't a mystery to me. My guess is that the mental patient that Hurley got the numbers from originally worked on the island. That is the best I can come up with -- or whatever.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:39 a.m. CST

    The 4815162342 Theory...

    by Hobbs

    ...that Kane links to above, in my opinion, is far and away the best theory I've heard. That site is a bit annoying because it's mostly garbage theories, but kudos to the guy who came up with this one. Give it a read. It's very well thought out, a little out there, but not sci-fi kooky. I don't buy all of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's correct on most key points. Looks like we'll learn a lot on Dec 14th.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Not a Cop

    by Megoth

    AnaL's not a cop, she's ex-military. She recognized the knife. And, I'll bet, recognizes Sayid from the Gulf War.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Ana's occupation

    by Hobbs

    Cop or military? That was my guess, but a USA Today story yesterday noted that her occupation would be revealed next week and it would be unexpected. Cop or military seems expected so I'd have to rule those two ideas out. Although, if she's a hairdresser who just so happens to be a serious butt kicker, I'll be little disappointed because that seems a little silly. Who knows, maybe they'll provide some reasonable and creative explanation for her physicality, but it sounds like she's probably not police or military since that is the conventional wisdom.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Canadian vs. US viewing

    by Katya

    I saw the whole ending on the Canadian channel then changed to the US channel and watched it all over again. I think that the Canadian and US viewers saw exactly the same thing but the Canadian channel showed it with less commercials - therefore squeezed the same episode into 1hr. so we didn't actually miss anything, in fact we got a better version.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Parallels

    by arnid9

    Mr. Eko Dressed like Jack right after the crash. Mr. Eko, best character on t.v. so far this year. He is Locke version 2.0

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Mr Eko

    by Kane

    When I hear his name I always think of Rick on the Young Ones writing to Echo and the Bunnymen... "Dear Mr. Echo"

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Claire

    by MiserableRainGod

    My question is, why was Claire taken? If just because she was pregnant, fine. But what if it was more than that? What if she was targeted specifically. What if Ethan had a list with her name it (or with everyone's name BUT hers on it?).

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:52 a.m. CST

    The problem with Michelle Rodriguez is they cast her exactly to

    by Mr. Waturi

    That's why she's so boring on the show. Same tough girl schtick we've seen before. It would have been better if they cast her as the psychologist, and the blonde as the tough chick.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Why Hippies Suck!

    by MiserableRainGod

    I originally posted this at the buzzscope forum. www.buzzscope.com. As of now, I believe what I've been told. The island is a freaky "magical" place due to the electromagnetic fluctuations that are natural on the island. As a result of these natural fluctuations, Hanso and Dharma, a bunch of looney scientists who want to make the world a better place through sci-fi technology, decide that it would be a good place to do some experiments. Experiments in all kinds of looney parasychology stuff, which they believe is just electromagnetic phenomena that is as yet unexplained. Hanso wants to control the phenomena to make weapons and stuff, but hippie Dharma wants to do the actual research and just understand it. Hippie Dharma was just a tool for Hanso. But Dharma was all a bunch of hippie idiots (the fact that they are Hippies also goes to show that they were peace-loving and therefore not so evil as to make this a really sick social psych experiment) and they made a mistake. Cartman knows it, "Hippies Suck." So there's a mistake, and some total crap happened. The mystery, to me, is what? What was being studied, what was wrong, what are the consequences, and what are the ways to fix it? I don't think that "everything we know is a lie." I just think that we know very little.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:59 a.m. CST

    About all the small religious and philosophical and literary ref

    by MiserableRainGod

    Also originally posted at the forums of buzzscope.com...And yes, the show is full of religious and philosophical metaphor. It draws ideas for plot and theme from several sources. It drops in little bits here and there - historical names, book titles. But that doesn't mean that all of these things are integral. Sometimes a book is just a book. It just sets up the theme of the supernatural, parapsychological. It gets people thinking. Once you start collecting a few of these little references, these little nods to stories and theories and names and philosophies and religions, you realize that they are often exclusive, that they are often contradictory, and that therefore they cannot all be extremely important. They cannot all be true. They're not necesarrily red herrings, either, not necessarily the show's creators trying to make you believe such and such. Some of the references that some fans find are so archaic that I doubt the show creators knew exactly what they were including. But even if every single reference that people have perceived are all true in the way that these people perceive them, they might STILL just be little nods to the stuff that influenced the story, plot, themes, characters, etc of the show. Nothing more. They might also be important. Sure, of course they might be. But not all of them. Hell, has anyone considered that they mean nothing? That the show's creators are just dropping stuff in, in case they want to use it later? All these little books and nods and name similarities might be just the creators covering their own asses for the future! In the future of the show, Mr. Eko might decide that only a rabbit's foot from a talking rabbit can save the day. And then they find a talking rabbit. "It isn't a deus ex machina," say the writers. "After all, in episode 1.xx, Sawyer read Watership Down. So in fact, you can now see that we were going that way all along." By peppering the show with little references to anything, the creators can do anything and say they always meant it that way. Heck, now they included the Bible. God can do anything. If that doesn't protect them against a deux ex machina, I don't know what does.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11 a.m. CST

    Ana

    by MaguaSynfield

    Maybe she was Secret Service? Some sort of intelligence agency type. The idea of a ballbusting hairdresser seems....lost? But Michelle definately needs someone to cast her beyond this schtick...branch out, girl friend. I hear comedy can be interesting. The moments when she's not in "tough girl mode", she's likeable enough. When she gets that steely glint in her eye, not so much.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:23 a.m. CST

    I hope Sayid kills da beeatch...

    by Toby Wan

    I agree that when she was in the airport talking to Jack, she was almost pleasant. I can't stand it when she goes into "Billy Bad Ass" mode. Same character on Fast and the Furious, same on SWAT. I think she may be a good actor. She just needs to show me something.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:25 a.m. CST

    "I'ya...I'd do AnaL in the anal!" That's inappropri

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    "ANAL!!!"

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Rodriguez has the depth of a bottlecap

    by GrandMuffTarkin

    Yes, more AnaL bashing. I cannot stand her snarly Billy Idol expression. She couldn't act scared if she fell off a cliff.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:49 a.m. CST

    sayid and ana

    by lofe101

    first i thought ana was really good in this episode. i hated here before but now i dont care. anyways i think sayid and ana knew each other from before. maybe she was following him because he was leaving Irag. maybe she killed someone else he loved too, like a family member. sayid seems way to pissed off for someone he just started having feeling for die. he looked like he knew her.....just a suggestion.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Ooh, the Others, I'm really, really Scared!

    by _Maltheus_

    Good ep, but it seemed a little empty. Like a big rehash of stuff we already knew. I also didn't get a sense for the threat the others represented. At least not enough to justify the tailers' militant attitudes. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but Eko is the only one who saw proof that one of theirs was dead (while chasing after Michael). As far as the rest are concerned, the abducted are still alive. .......... Dry clothes on Goodwin didn't really mean anything since Bernards' clothes were also dry. .......... Ana and Jack seem destined to hook up. They can rub sand into each others vaginas and talk about how much they hate Locke and Eko together. I can't wait to see the Locke-Eko interaction. ........... As for the snappin' of chicken heads, any sane, hungry person would do the same. Hell, I'm gettin' hungry just thinking about it. ............ Right on on the Rome talkback. What an incredible show that's turned out to be. I don't think I've seen a single Rome talkback to date. A little late now, since the season finale is up next. Rome, BSG, and Lost, in that order, are the best TV dramas airing. 13th, 13TH!

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Another Wednesday, another horrible episode of LOST

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Why do I keep watching? Because the first season was so good. Will I keep watcing if the third season is as bad as the second? No.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Thanks Katya

    by Avant Retard

    I think you are right. I bet CTV replayed the ending again just becuase it was switching to the Invasion feed.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Lynda Carter

    by teedadawg

    ... makes my wanky hurt so good (sigh)

  • And she should get an emmy for it and moon you all! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:32 p.m. CST

    With all the AnaL hate no one's mentioned

    by oisin5199

    the quite good scene of Eco (Umberto? anyone?) comforting her. 40 days to speak/40 days to cry. We certainly saw enough to justify paranoia about the others, but not the terror that they seemed to be feeling. I get that disappearing is a frightful concept, but not Eco's comment about 'what these people are capable of'

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    What ever happened to desmond?

    by Man Juice

    This episode was well done even tho the others dont semm as threatening as we were led to believe in earlier episodes. But i think it was just a way to get us to forget that desmond ran off into the jungle not scared of the now absent "beast" or the others - cheers-

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Remember, The Castaways Are Now Armed To The TEETH!!!

    by Deandome

    Why the fuck are they scared anymore...they have a friggin ARSENAL in the bunker?? And why haven't we seen any of the big artillery being toted around by anyone? The people on the boat had a few guns, but the rag-tag raiders are unarmed. Once the tailies share info with the main squad, they can/should set out & HUNT THE OTHERS DOWN LIKE RATS!! Gee, I'm SURE that'll happen...no way something will arise that'll leave them defenseless again.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Death to Ana!!

    by quadrupletree

    That was the first episode of this show that I didn't enjoy, and it's all because of AnaL/MR. She is painful enough to watch on this show in doses, but a whole episode (and another next week?!) that centers around her is just painful. The only light at the end of the tunnel was Sayid and his rage. I hope to God they are setting this up for a mega-bitch massacre. Oh yah, and Eco ROCKS! That and Sayid were the only saving grace.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    M-Rod

    by Deandome

    In USA Today yesterday (!!) they profiled her, and they said this: Asserting her independence, the single actress wears a $5 brass band on her wedding finger

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Sayid, please clip those suckers

    by gboybama

    I mean really, those fingernails of yours give me the creeps. Is this supposed to be making a point about Arab stereotypes and personal hygene or something?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Here's the USA Today Article Re AnaL:

    by Deandome

    http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-11-15-lost_x.htm

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    test

    by Chest_Rockwell

    test

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Here's why Vorenus will be ok.....

    by Chest_Rockwell

    Octavian is part of the triumvirate (along with Brutus, and Marc Antony) after the ides of march. His little jew guy saw what vorenus did (and I'm sure the word will get around anyway). Remember, Octavian wanted caesar and vorenus to do something to save pullo in the first place. Caesar didn't, but in the end, vorenus did. Remember, Octavian likes both pullo and vorenus. Vorenus' job will be secure. Caesar is not going to be around much longer......

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Avant Retard

    by Katya

    np. us Canucks have to stick together, eh.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Hanso Foundation Site

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    As previously mentioned in the Talkback, if you go to the Life Extension Project on the list of active projects, read the press release and then click on the last paragraph, you'll find a hidden easter egg. It brings up a slightly "distorted" page that includes a login. I'm not a big fan of these show-affiliated sites but, anyone having any luck with that? (Naturally, I tried the famous numbers first.)

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Good and Evil

    by shelbygirl

    I really perked up when it was mentioned that the other were after people who were "good" and not "bad". Has anyone else noticed that just about everyone on the other side (original side) of the island has been involved with someone's death? I mean, just about each of them somehow has lead to someone else's death. If you got to spoilerfix.com, they have pictures of Ana-Lucia in a cop's uniform, which would have meant that she probably killed someone, or didn't do enough to stop someone's death. This isn't a blanket theory, but one that I've been playing with, and just added some fuel, as the talk about good and evil started up.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Glass Eye

    by OptimusPrimeTime

    So, why was the taillies' Dharma bunker not staffed and supplied like Desmond's? Is that where they got the gun Sawyer was shot with (and the boat)? If so, why were the taillies safe while they were there? For a throwaway episode, a whole lot of interesting stuff happened. That said, the interesting storylines may start next week: how long until the tailies find out about the hatch, how will the clinical psychologist react to Locke and the human-sized Skinner Box? Will "The Others" follow the taillies to the rest of the group? Did Ethan have a list (that the others weren't able to act upon....besides Walt, the next two youngest members of the front section are both dead...coincidence?) 'All that, plus the heartwarming reuniting of husbands and wives...next week on Lost.'

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Deaths...hmm

    by Hobbs

    Sayid - friend committed suicide when he realized Sayid was setting him up ........... Walt/Michael - mom/wife died............ Jack - dad died, he testified against his dad regarding the death of a patient, his wife may have died (I don't recall if this has been clarified)........... Kate - ex-boyfriend died while they were trying to flee the cops........... Shannon/Boone - dad/stepdad died (and uh, they both died).......... Sawyer - parents died in murder/suicide, he killed the wrong man while in Austrailia........... Hurley - grandfather died.............. That's a lot of people on one flight experiencing a lot of tragedy, but it's hard to say if there's a connection or not. The reason for my doubt is that death is a good means to establishing drama and interesting personal dynamics. Either way, it's becoming more and more obvious that Locke was right when he stated that it wasn't an accident they survived and were brought to the island for a reason.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I thought the gun came from the Marshall

    by Hobbs

    As for the glass eye, it hasn't been mentioned in this TB. Probably because it's such a random bit of information I don't think anybody's come up with a possible much less plausible explantion.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:30 p.m. CST

    My Dad Died 20 years ago...

    by Deandome

    ...so am I on the island? C'mon, this is grasping at straws..well, I guess that's what we all do here. Some were merely touched by death, some were active participants in them...some were right before the flight, some were months/YEARS prior to it. I just don't see anything in this tack.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:35 p.m. CST

    He's Talking About the OTHERS' Gun

    by Deandome

    The one that the people on the boat used to shoot Sawyer. But I forget...what was the symbol in the middle of the Dharma logo in the 'tailie bunker'? It wasn't a swan...was it a feather? Could this be a Life Extension outpost? Not cuzza the feather, but merely cuz that button is now active on the Hanso website.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I agree, Deandome

    by Hobbs

    regarding the deaths. Like I mentioned it's probably just a means of establishing more drama for these characters. However, it's becoming undeniable that previous direct or indirect encounters with one another are not accidental. Jack and Shannon, Jack's dad and Sawyer, Jack and Desmond, Ana and Kate (see overlapping casting for flashbacks in the next two weeks), Jack and Ana (again overlapping casting). In fact, I mentioned in a post yesterday the re-emergence in 3 weeks of the character Hibbs. I'm revising my previous opinion - his appearance in that episode doesn't necessarily make a Sawyer-centric episode. It's very possible that he's a part of somebody else's past, too. In fact, we know he manipulated Sawyer into going to Austrailia, he may turn out to be an extremely important character to this story. Perhaps a Keyser Soze or Moriarty-type. An archvillian or mastermind pulling all the strings in the shadows.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3 p.m. CST

    Apologies - the boater's gun

    by Hobbs

    I don't have much insight on that weapon. It's very possible it came from the tailies bunker.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Glass eye

    by Banky the Hack

    I bet it belongs to Dr. Marvin Candle. We know he has a fake arm...maybe "the incident" took out his arm and his eye on that side.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:02 p.m. CST

    And the new Dharma logo...

    by Banky the Hack

    Looked like an arrow to me?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:07 p.m. CST

    anyways

    by arnid9

    The reason the others tried to kill charlie was he was evil. Lets not forget about the drugs ppl. And the girl he fucked over. literaly and figuratively. plusHeroins a hell of a drug. Claire was taken because i guess her child is innocent. whats her backstory.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Libby theories

    by Lando Griffin

    I'm not completely sold on everyones Libby suspicions. Some have held these suspicions from her first appearance. I have heard all the theories and clues, whether they be subtle or blatant, but I'm just not sold yet. So far all of the Libby theories have rational explanations to them, they can go either way at this point.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    What's With the Backward-Talking Walt Stuff?

    by Deandome

    While we're shooting the shit about general stuff. It's clear that he isn't just kidnapped like the other kids...he's a spooky phantom...part of the core mystery. Still, if he want's to communicate warnings/messages to people, why the hell is it backwards?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Charlie

    by Losteroo

    I still don't know why they showed him as dead, and then he came back to life after the hanging. I'm wondering if that type of stuff will ever get resolved. Like Jack's dad walking around, Locke walking, stuff like that. I'm hoping some of the stuff will in time, but I'm just wondering if some of that stuff will get forgotten now that the story will be focused on the two groups merging together for awhile. I imagine the Charlie thing may have a chance to be looked at again when he finally dies. Because if he gets on heroin again, he will die for good this time. TV won't give him a second chance.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:34 p.m. CST

    walts special?

    by lofe101

    if they only take the good people, then why didnt they take bernard and his wife. what did she nit a blanket wrong. and how is walt a good person when all he said at first is he hated his dad. Sun seems like a good person, what about her?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Ana - l - u - CIA

    by Man Juice

    that is all

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:46 p.m. CST

    "Good"

    by Hobbs

    I think the Others aren't defining good along moral terms. Perhaps some people with certain characteristics are considered "good" for the purposes of the Others. Who knows what those characteristics are and what their purposes are? The analogy was made earlier that it's like picking "good" fruit in the supermarket. That's the impression I got.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Deandome

    by MaguaSynfield

    And I thought I was the only person thinking that. They've got the firepower...now they've got Mr. Eko ( serious asskicker) as well. They should be hunting these pricks down & putting an end to them on general principles. Will they? Umm no. I have a problem the way this series conveniently forgets certain things - like the unseen ass-eating monster that only seems to show up when the writers need a convenient out, or the fact that the front end survivors of the crash have a serious advantage in firepower over The Others. Sloppy writing. Unless, of course, they clean it up in some subsequent episode. But how you offset the weapons balance....

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Ed

    by arnid9

    The whole cast of Ed is also somehow tied to the mystery. No joke Dead Serious.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Sweet, Sweet Heroin....AAAHHH

    by Deandome

    I don't think Charlie's using again...YET. Surprised Locke didn't come out & say he knew he's holding, but that's Cap'n Cryptic for ya! They really should gather up that big stash..it'd be crucial as a pain-killer for any injuries, and perhaps as a weapon/captive-calmer in case they capture a few others (maybe spike their food). Anyways, it's an asset, 'cept for Charlie. As for the firepower, I'm really surprised the bunker hasn't been somehow destroyed, as it gives the good-guys too many assets for the long term...you could hole up EVERYONE in there in case of attact & defend it easily. The supplies, hot & cold water...it's just too perfect for the long haul, so I still think it'll all get 'removed' along with the weapons they've been too stupid to gather up. And "Ed"?? I can't WAIT for Michael Ian Black to show up as a wisecracking, sardonic Other, and maybe Chill Mitchell will race wheelchairs w/Locke once he looses his legs again.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    The reason the Tailers were so disorganized was for several reas

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    They were really really really scared of what was in the jungle. When they crashed, their section of the plane sunk, so all the supplies that the Originals had, the Tailers did not. Also, AnaL is definitely not Jack. I do hope that the plethora of weapons becomes a factor. The reason it hasn't so far is because, as I've been annoyed by, there has been very fucking little Hatch plot progression since the Hurley episode. Hopefully now that everyone is caught up with each other, we can now have one plot that involves nothing but everyone's reaction to the Hatch and the Others.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 4:54 p.m. CST

    And does anyone know what to enter into the new Hanso Foundation

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    After you click on the last line at the bottom of the press release, you have to enter something. Anyone figure out what it is, or how to use it effectively?

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:06 p.m. CST

    There's No Luggage in the Tail!!

    by Deandome

    [gee I'm chatty today!!] There wouldn't be any supplies to gather...all the luggage goes underneath the main fuselage section, and that tail section was JUST the tail ('cept for overhead bins, I guess). That reminds me of something...how on earth did the Bernard get separated from his wife? If he wasn't strapped in his seat, I could buy the theory that they were both seated in the middle & had to go back to use the can. But if they both were seated in the rear, there'd be no reason for her to go up front, as the lavs are in the back. And there was no warning...so it's not like he was in the can & then strapped in for the crash landing. I know this is nitpicking, but maybe they'll address this once they reunite. And there's no way Eko was a drug-running infiltrator!! He was in the water immediately & in a suit...you think he'd be dressed like that if he was a solo castaway hiding from the Others who happened to be on the beach at that exact moment? No way...they played that coincidence card already w/the other guy being right there when he infiltrated them, and it's clear Eko is NOT an Other.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    bernard

    by mocky_puppet

    his wife tells jack on the plane that Bernard is in the bathroom.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Ummmm...

    by Deandome

    So the tail explodes off the plane, tumbles at 500+ mph & he manages to find a seat & strap in? Suuurrre...

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Come to think of it, if Bernard WAS in a seat, travelling at his

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    It's a show people. Obviously they couldn't have the dude sitting on a toilet with his pants around his ankles ontop of a tree. They fucked up by saying he was in the bathroom. If they really cared to get that cool shot of the man stuck in the tree then they should've thrown Libby up on that piece so that way we could at least get some up the skirt shots.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The Numbers

    by Magic Muppet

    The Lost creators don't know why Hurley's numbers are the same as the Island's numbers, so don't expect an explanation until they make something up in the far future. Right now, there is no explanation because the creators DON'T KNOW either.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:52 p.m. CST

    The Lost

    by Magic Muppet

    Honorius of Autun wrote in "De Imagine Mundi": "There lies in the Ocean an island which is called The Lost. In Charm and all kinds of fertility it far surpasses every other land, but it is unknown to men. Now and again it may be found by chance; but if one seeks it, it cannot be found, and therefore it is called The Lost."

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 7:05 p.m. CST

    Re: The Numbers

    by bah

    I think the numbers are more a running joke than anything. The whole idea behind the episode where they were introduced was that Hurley thought they were bad luck while others thought it was in his head. The whole faith vs reason thing again. Once people on boards like this one got all excited about the Numbers, the writers started using them more. But I don't expect them to have any grand revelation about them. If they do, so much the better. But they're just a gag at this point.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Post Mortum Thoughts

    by Sgt. Black

    1) AnaL is CIA. Sent to Australia to find info, not knowing her superiors were putting her on THAT plane to get her on THAT Island. 2) Once 'merged' Anal, Eko, Locke, and Michael go out for a hunting party to get back Walt & Kids. Along the lines of' "The best defense is a good offense." 3) Sawyer or Sayid dies. 4)+1 to the thought of "good person" being more of "good mango" or "good bananas" not quality of moral value.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:01 p.m. CST

    12/7 = Return of J.J. Abrams Block!

    by OptimusPrimeTime

    Alias is moving to Invasion's timeslot post-sweeps. :)

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:34 p.m. CST

    by dubsy

    so where is invasion going then? and its true, the creator of the show himself (lindeof...or maybe that carlton guy) said to that annoying dueche bag at TVguide with the scoops that they don't even know exactly what they mean and to try to figure something out would be too monumental or something. and i liked this episode except the fact that the endings were the same two weeks running...they extended the episode to show us the same thing....and herc were is the veronica mars talkback?? i mean c'mon, she quotes the dude, how cool was that

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST

    A theory better than the show deserves.

    by Sgt. Black

    reading this; http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377- its better than the writers could maybe come up with even on triple-shot-frappacinno-X-files-marathon-in-the-writers-room day.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10 p.m. CST

    Hurley's Numbers

    by Lavaman

    What the FUCK?! So the writer's have no idea what the Numbers mean?! What about all the bad things that happened when Hurley won the Lottery: the man falling off the building, his Uncle's death, house burning down, the meteorite hitting the cluck? What about the man in the Asylum who mentioned the Numbers? What about the Numbers being engraved on the Hatch, as well as being the computer code? Now they tell us that they never had any idea what the Numbers meant? If that is the case, they sure put a lot of unnecessary attention on something so meaningless.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Cut Screen Poison M Rodriguez some slack

    by Aetius450

    The reason she plays the same part all the time is because she isn't a good actress. The producers wanted a female Alpha Male character, and they went the reigning queen of that niche. I think it was a mistake, as she ruins every scene she is in. Her only value would be if she is meant to inspire hate from the audience, and while she has done plenty to do that, we all know she will be redeemed, and will not get the violent comeuppance she so justly deserves. And in redeeming her, it means the audience will be cruelly subjected to more of her 'acting'. Hopefully, it won't be as painful as last night's breakdown scene. At the very least, the powers-that-be behind the show could have been kind enough to get her backstory out of the way, so as to not punish the audience with two Lucia-centric episodes.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:05 p.m. CST

    quadrupletree and Ana Lucia

    by Aetius450

    I too would like to see Sayid go Republican Guard on Screen Poison Michelle Rodriguez, but don't get your hopes up, because it isn't going to happen. It appears that Sayid is confined in some way next week, so the question is how he comes to be in that situation? Was he overwhelmed by Echo (makes sense), or another victim of Ana Lucia's overflowing testosterone? Even if it isn't Lucia who puts him down, it does appear as though she is the one who releases him, so eventually there will probably be a kumbaya moment between them, and all will be forgiven. And in the event Sayid does later go after her, she'll probably just kick his ass, cause that's what she does best! After establishing Lucia's manhood, and making it clear that she is more of a man than any of the actual men (except maybe Echo), it is unlikely that she will be bested in any physical confrontation with a man, because to do so would undermine her Alpha Male status. At this point, the best thing the producers/writers could do is to make her a character w/o redemption, and give the audience the pleasure of seeing her die, soon, but instead it seems as though the rest of this season (at least -- anyone know how long she will be on???) will be infected by her presence. As of now, she is directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of two innocent people, so a proper chastisement would be nice, but again, its unlikely. In a situation as on LOST, clearly it would be helpful for someone to rise up and take charge when necessary, but with such an abrasive, grating, hostile attitude, you'd think that one of the other survivors would save the Others some trouble and go ahead and kill her themselves. At the very least, someone would realize that one good punch would put the butch in her place. I can't wait to see how she gets her hands on another gun; is Jack stupid enough to let her have one, or does she just take it and kick the ass of anyone who gets in her way? I just hope that there is no romantic moment between Jack and Lucia, because Jack is too good a guy, and has gone through too much to have to experience a Crying Game moment.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I really really don't want to see Jack get with AnaL.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Jack and Kate have so much chemistry, holy shit. He's the hero! She's the hot girl who needs to have her soul redeemed! HE CAN SAVE HER! I think it would cool if AnaL ended up being a superhero. She could have a big flamboyant Mexican Wrestling outfit, and her superhero name could be, Painya Colada, the heroine that brings the PAIN!!! ...no wait, that's not a good idea... that's a great idea.

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 11:50 p.m. CST

    HansoFoundation.org password is...

    by Darque

    I just jiggered with the javascript on the new Hansofoundation.org Life Extension page fritzed security page and the password is Copenhagen (case sensitive). It reveals another fax...

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Having trouble with the "Others".....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    The Tailies killed 4 of the Others practically with their bare hands, what happened to all of this "You don't know what they're capable of" bullshit? Let's see, what are they capable of? Killing chickens and unsuspecting guest stars, sneaking around at night, carrying little kids, and making lists of cool people they want to hang out with....ummmm WTF!?!? I dunno exactly what I was expecting, but nothing I saw made me think they are any more of a threat than ANY other person on the island. Super strength? Nope. Invisibility? Nope. Guns? Nope. Friends with the Monster? Nope. Pet polar bears? Nope. A really good cellphone plan? Shit, not even that.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:20 a.m. CST

    by Cidixat

    Umm... I just checked out that http://www.thehansofoundation.org/ site... the Orangutan "Joop" thing is refered to as "experiment subject 626". Now... call me crazy, but wasn't that what they called Stitch from the movie of the same name? Experiment 626? I know Disney owns ABC, but if that invisable monster turns out to be a blue 4 armed orangutan, I'm gonna be pissed.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 3:27 a.m. CST

    "Experiment 626"

    by Ribbons

    If the shared codename for Joop and Stitch was intentional, then I assume it was just a shoutout to 'Lilo & Stitch.' Sort of like how the anagram for one of the Active Projects on the Hanso site is "JEDI."

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 6:10 a.m. CST

    good people

    by Novaman5000

    I agree that "good" means capable (or in the childrens case, soon to be capable). Get em while they're young and you can warp the shit out of their fragile little minds. You can bet they did that to Alex. Walt's phantom appearances are probably a result of his pyschic ability... especially if they're doing experiements on him that A) heighten his powers or b) are causing him some sort of pain which makes his powers spike. As for that theory posted above, it's VERY interesting, but I don't buy all of it. It's possible it's true up to the point of the part about the purpose of the island, but I think that the flashbacks are real and that the world hasn't ended yet... OR that whatever was gonna happen to the world happened in the pilot episode and brought the plane down and now they're the only ones left on earth.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 6:12 a.m. CST

    i mean...

    by Novaman5000

    Their equipment started getting wonky way out in the ocean (the electromagnetic field was dying) and they just ripped apart near the island (it died). Luckily, the island's own field kept the survivors from being sauteed alive.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 6:15 a.m. CST

    oh, and...

    by Novaman5000

    Damn my stream of conciousness posting - What if they have some way of aging the kids? The big reason walt is MIA this season is (supposedly) because he's getting older too fast. So, just give the others the means to age people and you can completely explain away why he's aging. It's not that ridiculous, all things considered, and the kids are probably more useful to the others older, anyway, and who has the time to wait around for them to get through puberty?

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST

    "Obviously they couldn't have the dude sitting on a toilet w

    by MaguaSynfield

    Why the hell not? That would have been fun. Hysterical. Personally embarressing, true. But funny. The visual alone would have been priceless, although I can easily think of other characters on this show I'd like to see in that condition. Ah well - opportunity missed, I guess...

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Stitch=Disney=Lost

    by Deandome

    If the "Experiment 626" tag is indeed used in "Stitch", it's just a gag/Disney plug. And the theory that they can't have kids cuz their real-life maturity/growth would spoil the timeline is spot-on!! Nice call!

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The Ultimate Theory

    by Hobbs

    A lot of these questions being thrown around here - especially regarding the crash - are answered in the the Ultimate Theory that's been mentioned several times at http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377. You have to read through some of the posts because he replies back with more details answering some very interesting questions - Why there aren't any combs on the plane? How did so many people survive a plane crash? Why did these particular people survive? What happened to the monster? What's the purpose of the hatch? Why are there polar bears on the island? Who are the Others? Why are they barefooted? Why are people being kidnapped? Why does seems to have special powers? Who is Alvar Hanso? Why can't they get the compass to work? Why is Locke able to walk? Why do they press the button? What is the significance of the numbers? Most importantly, it answers the question "Why did everything happen?" It's the most thorough and complete theory I've heard to explain what's happening on the island, and it's really not wacky or idiotic. I'm not completely convinced about his ideas on the Others (are they good or bad?) and he's also got an anti-Ultimate Theory which runs along a similar vein (I prefer his original theory, though). Give it a read and you won't have to keep saying - "it's a television show" and "it's suspension of disbelief" - for every loose end you can't tie up. Until the plot goes in a different direction (which is likely) or somebody torpedoes this theory or establishes a better one (which is unlikely) I'm watching this show assuming this guy's theory is pretty accurate. Like someone mentioned before, we can only hope that the writers came up with something this smart.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 9:34 a.m. CST

    The "Copenhagen Memo" @ Hanso Foundation website

    by Deandome

    The memo that pops up in the Life extension link talks about diseases crossing from apes to humans in some hanso facility in Zanzibar or something. Interesting...but it rules out the way-cool theory that's discussed/linked to earlier in this thread ( http://www.4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3377 ) That talks about how all the Lost stuff is in the future & how they're the only people on the planet due to some magnetic pole-shift. But the memo was dated & faxed on 9/19/05, so clearly the planet is alive & kicking!! Too bad...that theory is pretty well thought out!!

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Future episode

    by Hobbs

    There's been some discussion about why the Lostaways don't go after the Others now that they have access to a serious arsenal. Well, perhaps some good news on that front. The episode set to follow Herc's forbidden episode (although not airing until January) is entitled "The Hunting Party". No summary available yet, but that could be cool. It may be time to lock and load.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Ana is a criminal...

    by Veraxus

    If she were law enforcement or military I think she'd be little less stupid. As it stands she's paranoid, violent, impulsive, and completely devoid of common sense.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Uh, scrivener...

    by slone13

    Most of the people in law enforecment are stupid. And they either used to be bullies or were bullied by bullied growing up. She's totally a cop. I've seen screen shots from her flashback episode.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Bernard on the toilet

    by slone13

    ANYONE who has a problem with Bernard seatbelted into a seat up in a tree is a complete moron. Case in point: Charlie was IN A BATHROOM when they hit the turbulence, too. He was able to get out of the bathroom and into a seat and buckle himself in before the plane crashed. So did Bernard. End of discussion.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:29 p.m. CST

    re: scrivener

    by _Maltheus_

    That's gotta be the funniest damn thing I've ever read in a talkback.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:30 p.m. CST

    re: scrivener

    by _Maltheus_

    wait, you were joking, right?

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST

    backwards Walt theory

    by oisin5199

    I think backwards Walt is Walt's astral projection. In theory, if a person can do this, they can project an image of themselves, but it's much more difficult to communicate that way. Maybe it has something to do with the remote viewing the Hanso foundation is into, like a reverse remote viewing.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Chest Rockwell, Brutus wasn't part of the triumvirate.

    by Mutant X

    It was Antony, Octavian, and Lepidus. Antony and Octavian actually fought AGAINST Brutus, who ultimately killed himself.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Charlie vs. Bernard vs. Slone13

    by Deandome

    Speaking of complete morons...the tail flew off & tumbled without warning while the rest of the plane continued on in a much more controlled manner (comparitively). Obviously, Charlie was in a forward Lav (planes that big have 2-sets)...and are you/others SURE that Charlie made it to a seat? It's been an awfully long time since they showed detailed crash footage, but again, as the forward part wasn't totally outta control, he WOULD have time to find a seat...Bernard would NOT, even if he was outta the lav & walking back (well..then he'd be sucked out!). Oh...one other thing....I'm pretty sure Bernard was in the middle seat of a 3-seat 'module'.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Why we haven't seen the "monster" this season

    by ctortola

    Even though Season Two has been going on four a couple months now, in "Island time", it's been something like three or four days-worth of narrative. The first four episodes of the season all take place in the day following the Season 1 finale. The Tailers flashback episode effectively took zero days to tell. It's not like the "monster" was a daily occurance during season one.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Walt's Backward's Talking is the Result of...

    by _Maltheus_

    Mirrors. That's how he communicates with the group across the island. Through a complicated set of mirrors, produced through his psychic control of the monster nanites. However, he only set up an odd number of mirrors, which causes his speech to appear reversed.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Why Do Kids Disappear? CONTINUITY!!!

    by Deandome

    Something discussd on the 'ultimate theory' site (GREAT place to visit & opine, BTW). 'Specially w/the little kids, and also walt, they had to go so their real-world maturity/growing up doesn't fuck up the fake timeline on the show!! Kinda like Hurley can't do an "I'm a rich TV star, I really need to get gastric bypass" deal between seasons, you can't have kids growing up too much in a 5-7 year show run when they're supposed to be on the island for months.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:45 p.m. CST

    I want to see Ekco and Locke go on a fucking badass rambo style

    by cockknocker

    That would kick my ass. Locke needs to tool up commando style and dish out some slaughter to the others and ride that fucking polar bear into battle...

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Wonder Womans milky white tits....

    by LordAsh

    is it me or does she make you ROCK hard....especially in all that latex...

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 4:42 p.m. CST

    LordAsh....

    by Deandome

    "is it me or does she make you ROCK hard...." IT SURE AS HELL AIN'T YOU!!!!

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 5:18 p.m. CST

    But, cockknocker, you're forgeting...

    by _Maltheus_

    Locke doesn't get angry anymore. Granted, those are his words, but they seem to be true. He'd be more likely to go off on his own as an ambassador to the others, trying to solve "the puzzle of the others." And Eko seems to abhor violence. However, I can see Jack, Ana and Sayid doing that though.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 5:56 p.m. CST

    hey darque about that secret page

    by ag 721

    hey darque i found that page and i tried to enter your p-word "copenhagen" but it didn't work can somebody please post it or a link

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Lavaman, like I said...

    by bah

    The numbers are simply a running gag. "What about all the bad things that happened when Hurley won the Lottery?" What about it? The whole Hurley episode was about whether the numbers were truly evil or they were people's perceptions. The numbers were the password, they were transmitted via radio, Hurley's buddy heard the transmission. Other than Hurley ending up on the same island as his buddy, there's nothing overtly strange about the Numbers at all. They continue to be a motivating factor for Hurley alone, just as the hatch and the island is Locke's motivation. The show is about faith vs science, and Hurley's belief that the numbers are evil is another example of it.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Bernard, Monster, AL

    by leesheri

    Bernard could have been on his way back to Rose from the bathroom and once the initial turbulence hit he took the nearest seat and buckled in. There was enough time for him to have done this. I bought the first season you should too. His wife Rose was sitting next to Jack. Jack blew the monster up with some of the dynamite when it tried to take Locke. (Remember when it tried to take him down into the hole) Don't know if it is gone for good, but it took a beating so this could explain it not bothering folks right now. AL could be a mercenary; she could have been in a gang, in the secret service or a fed. I found the scene where she finally cried very touching. I love it when someone tough finally breaks down just for a moment. Locke and Mr. Eko seem like they could be great friends, but will Mr. E agree that the island is a great place like Locke? Locke was healed by the island and Mr. E was forced to murder(didn't speak for 40 days after). Their experiences are completely different. I can

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Surely everyone finds Jack annoying...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I thought that was a given. That is half his purpose, being the sensible leader who makes wise decisions, and doesn't have sex with the smoking hot chick who keeps waving it in his direction, despite the fact he is on a weird island and could die at any moment. AnaL is a cop, it isn't more creative or fun than that. CIA and a link with Sayid would rock, but LAPD and a link with Kate is what we will get I am sure. Might even get to see Sawyer being arrested in the background in that one as well, it could be a running gag. The 'ultimate' theory is pretty sweet and would be a nice ending to a run of several sci-fi books, but as this is a popular mainstream TV show, of which the majority of the audience also watch desperate housewhores, then I can guarantee it ain't what we are getting. Even if they were that brave, a lot of it falls apart. They were not placed in suspended animation and revivied and sneakily placed exactly where they would have been. There is not a group of radioactive rotting scientists behind solid concrete who have mind control over the island, or indeed the world and have developed these characters for decades. However the 108 minutes equating to a satellite passing over the same spot is interesting, the polar bears tying into the shifting north pole I can dig as well. The shark having magnetic sensitivity greater than any other animal is also insteresting. I am not sure about the combs and brushes, but if it turns out Locke was chosen because he was bald, that would be a masterstroke. However, I have a feeling that there is a spaceship beneath that concrete, one that has been there for thousands of years or longer. It ties directly into the comic, which I think is one of the biggest clues. It also gives an easier 'island has power' angle to sell, its communications system is transmitting into space (ties into satellite, placed there to monitor or block), it is calling out to try and bring to it people to replace the original 'crew' who are dead. I am probably very wrong, but something like that is an easier 'sci-fi' plot to sell to the masses.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 3:39 a.m. CST

    numbers...

    by Novaman5000

    It doesn't seem like the numbers have one meaning, but a ton of separated, coincidentally linked meanings. I think the whole reason the numbers exist is to force the castaways to choose: Are they everywhere for a purpose, placed by fate or some other higher being, or is it merely coincidence (the whole faith vs. reason thing). As for Ana, it's very possible she is a cop in the first flashback, then gets promoted in subsequent ones. I'm pretty sure we'll be seeing her either kill someone accidentally (echoing shannon) or not acting fast enough and letting someone die (showing why she's so quick to jump the gun now and not take any shit). Either way, look for her episode to make her a more sympathic character... at least a little.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 2:07 p.m. CST

    anybody able to decipher the two Hanso memos?

    by JiggamanSpence

    they seem like they have something to do with each other, but im too stupid to figure it out. Anybody got some ideas? once again if you missed the earlier post the password is "Copenhagen" and is case sensitive.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 4:03 p.m. CST

    cockknocker, Revenge

    by Aetius450

    That's an interesting scenario, but come on, how could you leave out the most manly of all the men? Clearly, Ana Lucia would lead any such attempt, and would do most of the ass-kicking. In fact, if she does die at some point, then it will probably be in a blaze of glory, mopping the floor with a whole gang of Others as the lesser men watch on in amazement, and after having failed against the Others.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Brutus

    by Aetius450

    Its a shame he did the honorable thing and took his own life, because it would have made for good television to recreate what Octavian and Antony would have done with him had they apprehended him.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Ana

    by optimus122

    I know its cool to hate on her but she is a serious piece of asss..I would boone her real hard.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST

    The Numbers are a running gag?

    by Lavaman

    The thing is bah, if the Numbers are just a joke at our expense, us fans don't find it amusing. If the Numbers mean nothing, then what about everything else: the Monster, the Swarm, the Hatch, the Computer, the Orientation Film, the shark with the Dharma Logo, the Others, Locke's miracle cure, the Polor Bear, the Black Rock ship, the mysterious Walt Ghost. Are these jokes as well? There seems to be more and more evidence that David Fury was right, that the writers are just making it up as they go. I hope this is not true.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 7:04 p.m. CST

    more on numbers

    by bah

    I don't think the numbers themselves are a gag, but the recurrance of them is (once you're beyond Hurley and the Hatch, that is). And I don't think it's a joke being played *on* the audience, it's more a wink; laughing with, not at. When Desmond's bike is going 16mph, or a soccer team is wearing the numbers, I don't believe that's significant. The writers said long ago that they began playing with the numbers more once they saw the audience had connected with them (I beieve one of them found a mug with the numbers on it). It's not the writers' fault if the audience gloms onto something they didn't intend as important (or rather, in a way they didn't plan on). I seriously doubt they're scratching their heads, thinking, "What? People want to see the Monster? I forgot we even had that in there!" I'm cetain we'll learn more about all of the things you mention; I think we know all there is to know about the numbers. It's intersting the way a central theme of the show -- faith and magic vs reason and science -- has extended into the audience. There are Lockes in the audience -- those who think everything on the island is mystical and miraculous -- and there are Jacks -- those who think everything hinky has a rational explanation (a silent group, admittedly). Is Locke's healing a miracle, or was his paralysis psychological? Is the button protecting the world, or is it part of a psychological experiment? Is there an unearthly monster, or could it be the combined antics of several different animals? If you're a Locke, you're going to be disappointed if the second answer is the truth to any of these. But don't blame the writers if you invest yourself in one or the other.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 11:55 p.m. CST

    dogapeandman...

    by Lavaman

    I don't want to know whats behind the curtain ahead of schedule. I am not one of those people that need all the answers now. It's just that it makes me nervous that after the creators of Lost originally said they had the whole series planned out, as far as knowing what is behind everything, now they say that an important Plot point means nothing. Thats all I am saying. I certainly don't want the mystery revealed early.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    gingertwit...

    by NYC

    You do know that you sound like one of the most immature, retarded geek-losers ever right? Get a fuckin' life. And get used to lots more Ana-Lucia 'cause Michelle ain't goin' nowhere.

  • Nov. 21, 2005, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Worst Ever???

    by Aetius450

    I wouldn't say that about Michelle Rodriguez. She isn't a good actress. She is a one-trick pony. She is almost single-handedly ruining the best network show on television, but it's all make-believe. Ana Lucia may be the worst character ever though.

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 3:59 p.m. CST

    more IMDb casting nuggets (mild spoilers)

    by Hobbs

    Looking at IMDb there is some surprising casting information listed for upcoming episodes. The biggest is the casting of Kevin Tighe as "Anthony Sawyer." Tighe has appeared before in LOST as "Anthony Cooper" who is Locke's father. So now it appears that the same con man who got Sawyer's parents got Locke's kidney and he may or may not be his father. Interestingly, I think that people with LOST keep an eye on these message boards because the IMDb guest casting is often edited after we mention what notable casting bits appear there since sometimes the casting itself can be spoilerish. For instance, we had a discussion a few weeks ago about a character credited as "Bearded Man" (who kidnapped Walt). Well, it just so happens that in one of the upcoming episodes they listed that same actor but gave him a name - "Kelvin" who Desmond said was his predecessor in the hatch. Desmond thought he was dead, but he's not and I assume he'll reappear later this season. Of course, the IMDb entry for "Kelvin" has vanished. There have been several others - one of my previous posts mentioned how both Ana Lucia and Kate's upcoming episode included a character credited as "Assistant D.A" (clearly a flashback character) but that character has vanished from the credits of Kate's episode (there were a couple of other characters as well that vanished from the Kate episode, but it wasn't clear whether they were flashback-crossovers or islanders appearing for the first time in back to back eps). I'll post the casting info here before it's altered again. More episodes have been listed as well. See next post.

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 4:01 p.m. CST

    IMDb casting info

    by Hobbs

    Collision" Episode: #2.8 - 23 November 2005, Sam Anderson .... Bernard , L. Scott Caldwell .... Rose , Fran

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 4:05 p.m. CST

    The other casting info

    by Hobbs

    Forgot to list the rest of the tidbits from casting. In the Anthony Cooper/Anthony Sawyer episode it's not just limited to a Locke/Sawyer connection. Dr Christian Shephard (Jack's dad) appears in the episode as well. Desmond will be reappearing too. What's it all mean? I think nearly every one of these characters is connected. If there's anybody in the middle of it all, I think it's Jack because he seems to have more connections than anyone else. Remember the husband of the woman that died on Jack's dad's operating table appears in tomorrow's episode (which is supposedly Ana Lucia's flashback).

  • Nov. 25, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST

    When push comes to shove....

    by cockknocker

    Ecko and Locke are good at killing things, and both are effortlesly cool. Maybe I just have a hard on for strong silent types but again this week Ecko ruled. I just want to see those two team up and go on an expedition or something, I really hope the writers dont put locke on a path that sides him with the others or something like that. That would upset me.