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Quint has seen HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my opinion on the newest entry into the HARRY POTTER series, GOBLET OF FIRE.

This review comes from a big fan of the books. I've gone over it before, but the condensed version is I at first ignored J.K. Rowling's series, lumping it in with the Pokemon fad at the time. Then Warner Bros picked up the rights to do the films and were planning on using all the same actors and go from the beginning to the end of the whole series. I thought that was a rather fantastic idea for a series, but it wasn't until Steve Kloves was doing publicity for his Golden Globe nominated work on WONDER BOYS that I actually picked up the series.

I knew going into interview him that his big thing was writing this HARRY POTTER series for the movies, so I decide I'd read the first book. My little brother had both SORCERER'S STONE and CHAMBER OF SECRETS in paperback, so about 3 days before the phone interview was scheduled, I started reading the first book. When I started the interview, I was halfway through Book 3, PRISONER OF AZKABAN.

I got hooked, what can I say?

So, since then I've been a fan for the releases of ORDER OF THE PHOENIX and HALF-BLOOD PRINCE, gotten my books first day and read through them as fast as I could.

That wasn't terribly condensed. Sorry.

But that's how I entered the film. I was wary of Mike Newell, a director untested with big fantasy like this and one who I run hot and cold on in terms of his films (I love DONNIE BRASCO, but didn't really jump onto the bandwagon for FOUR WEDDINGS AND A FUNERAL). I was wary of his recruitment of the SORCERER'S STONE and CHAMBER OF SECRETS effects team over the PRISONER OF AZKABAN effects team, who I firmly believe took the series on to a whole new level with their work on the third movie. Add on the fact that the GOBLET OF FIRE book is damn near Bible-sized, I just didn't know how they were going to crack it.

The film opens with gothic stonework and human skulls stacked one on top of the other. How's that for the opening of a family series? Before we get to Harry, we see a hidden Voldemort kill a muggle in a flash of dirty green light.

Any worry I had about the tone of the film shifting more along the lines of the first two films were pushed out of mind before Harry Potter appears on the screen. I wouldn't say this is a hardcore PG-13 film, pushing the limits of the rating, but it's certainly dark and along the lines of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, the good guys don't win by the end, just live to fight another day (at least some of them...)

Here's a good point to say that the review will contain some spoilers. I will make sure to mark the biggies with big Spoiler Warnings, but if you have wandered in here without knowledge of the book, you might want to stop reading now in case your eyes should catch something you don't want 'em to catch. Just know that as a Potter fan, I'm really damned happy with the movie with some minor, minor nitpicks.

Alright, now that that's been said, let's get back to it, shall we?

What's missing from the book is what SHOULD be missing from a film adaptation, in my opinion. Gone is Hermione's fight for the rights of the House Elves, gone is the majority of Rita Skeeter's libelous reporting (not all, but she pretty much disappears after the first Tri-Wizard Challenge). The movie centers on the Tri-Wizard Tournament, with each of the 3 challenges marking a turning point in each act of the film.

There is still a lot of character development, especially with Ron and Hermione, and the emergence of young love. Cho Chang (Katie Leung) is introduced and Harry's eyes glaze over, which is quite understandable when you see her in the movie. She's extremely cute, with an innocence about her... plus she has a hot accent which sounds somewhere between English and Scottish, believe it or not.

Every key member of the cast gets at least one moment to shine. Alan Rickman is such an inspired bit of casting for Snape. I can't wait for the film where Snape gets more than just a little nibble here or there. He's really only in a small portion of the movie, but the filmmakers must have recognized this problem early on and gave him a fantastic and silent scene with the kids while they're supposed to be working. Can't wait for HALF-BLOOD PRINCE to really see Rickman get his time in the limelight!

Hagrid's romance with the Beauxbaton's Giant Headmistress Madame Maxime has some time, with some really great character moments for Hagrid, proving he's still the heart of Hogwarts. And thank God! Fred and George Weasley actually are a big presence in the film! If Hagrid's the heart of Hogwarts, the twins are its sense of humor. No ghosties about, but I'm happy to get Fred and George constantly up to their tricks throughout the film. Although it would be nice to see Nearly Headless Nick again.

I was pleased to see how well they handled Cedric, the other Hogwarts champion. He's a great character in the book who never fell into that stereotypical popular handsome kid routine. He's a good guy and if his character was handled poorly or even just glossed over it really would have been a giant point of contention with me. However, Kloves, Newell and Robert Pattinson, the young actor who plays Cedric, nail it just right. He has many scenes that show his true self, his kind heart and his overall decency, but they are strategically peppered throughout the movie as to not beat the viewer over the head with just how swell of a guy he is.

Mad-Eye Moody... ah, Mad-Eye Moody. He's one of my favorite characters from the series and Brendan Gleeson fucking knocks him out of the park. He's larger than life, but not a cartoon. His Mad Eye itself is perfectly realized. Not what I expected (with it being strapped to his head and all), but I love it nonetheless.

But it's all about his character. Gleeson's performance is so note perfect I can't get over how happy I am with the character!

That leaves us Ralph Fiennes as the one and only Lord Voldemort. I don't know what I had in my mind for Voldemort, to tell you the truth. He was always just an evil presence, kind of a blurry undefined figure in my mind when reading, even though Rowling does describe him as a bit more than just a blurry, undefined figure. I know I wasn't a huge fan of the way he looked in SORCERER'S STONE, but then again the human/creature effects in the first movie were pretty weak.

I always thought Tim Roth would make a great Voldemort and I always imagined him more human. Ralph Fiennes is a great actor and absolutely perfect in the role, bringing a sort of theatrical menace to Voldemort, who in the film is much more creature than humanoid, but thankfully they didn't make him half-CGI (or if they did, they did a helluva job). There is some augmentation to Voldemort's face, but I could still see Fiennes beneath the ivory white make-up and forked tongue.

The effects are well done and never felt plastic or rubber-man-ish to me (except for Voldemort's "birth" which looked CGI blob-y to me). The Dragon work is pretty damn impressive. It doesn't really look photoreal, but they really gave the beast a personality and a viscousness that totally sold it on me.

I didn't think the film is 100% spot on, though. I don't have any major complaints, but I do have a nitpick or two.

SPOILER

My main nitpick has to do with Mad-Eye Moody's secret. Those fans of the books know what it is and if you read any further and don't know, then you will know, too. That's not advised...

For the first 2/3rds of the movie they drop some amazingly subtle hints that just made me smile to beat the devil. I love seeing sleight of hand and every time the audience chuckled at Mad-Eye taking a slug from his flask and shaking off the effects, I was giddy. Such a great way to hide the sucker-punch later and all the better to sell the big reveal.

However, around the end of the second act they drop all the subtly and, in my opinion, give away the twist that they had so well been setting up before. It's like building an immaculate foundation for a perfect house, getting the bones of the structure right and then just haphazardly throwing on mismatched paneling, doors that don't fit into their frames and only half-completing the roof.

It might not be as big of a giveaway as I made it out to be, but they certainly lost the finesse of the earlier scenes. It's more about the timing than anything else. Before, you got a clue here, a clue there, Moaning Myrtle mentioning spotting some Polyjuice potion and asking Harry if he had been up to his old tricks again, etc.

But when Moody sees Barty Crouch Sr., he approaches him and in his same gruffness as before give him a little hell about what he did to his son. This is great in and of itself, but Crouch sees this weird tongue flickering thing that tunes him into Moody's secret. Again, that's not the giveaway... but so shortly after that there are a series of scenes where we see Barty Crouch Jr. in Dumbledore's Pensieve doing that same flickering tongue thing and about 2 or 3 mentions of Polyjuice this and Polyjuice that right afterwards. They stopped cleverly dropping clues and just dumped the rest all at once.

SPOILER END

Like I said, it's just a nitpick. Nothing that ruined the movie, but it stuck out to me when watching.

The score was a non-entity for me. I never really noticed it except during the big Dragon chase and the opening Warner Bros logo. For good or ill. It's played dark, which I like, but a lot of the awe of the first few movies was missing and I think a lot of that had to do with the absence of a strong score. However, that also means we don't have an intrusive music track getting in the way.

I also found that Emma Watson's performance in the movie was a bit over the top. After her extremely natural performance in AZKABAN, I was actually a little shocked at how over the top she was throughout the whole movie, her eyebrows dramatically rising and falling with every little thing she said.

She's not bad, don't get me wrong. She's still Hermione, but of the three leads she's the only one I felt took a step back instead of forward from the last movie. To be fair, her work in this movie is much more high strung than the previous films. And I thought she nailed the scene where, in tears, she tells Ron off for not asking her to the Yule Ball, yet being a dick about her going with Krum.

Daniel Radcliffe is... well, he is Harry Potter. He's attached to the role and the role to him. I wish him well in his post Potter career, but no matter what he does, short of curing cancer, he will always be Harry Potter. I love that about these films, personally.

Rupert Grint comes damn close to stealing the movie, though. Grint, like Radcliffe with Potter, IS Ron Weasley. His character is more fun to play, I'm sure, but of the group Grint seems the most natural with the character. I'd be shocked if Grint isn't exactly like Ron in real life, he embodies the character that much.

I'm starting to really like this idea of a new director with each film. So far it has worked wonders. Having watched the first 3 Potter films recently back to back, I've noticed that Chris Columbus did a pretty spectacular job of realizing the world of Harry Potter, setting up a great visual look to the films and selecting an incredible cast. Some of the effects are wonky in the first movie, but he got right what was essential to get right.

CHAMBER OF SECRETS' big fault was that it felt like more of the same. Alfonso Cuaron brought a freshness to the series that did wonders for me and now Mike Newell brings a completely different style to the table and made something different, but still recognizable. They've been able to keep a visual consistency with 3 different directors now, but at the same time showing it to us in a different way. I'm starting to really dig that.

Right now I couldn't really say if I prefer GOBLET OF FIRE to PRISONER OF AZKABAN, which is my favorite Potter movie. If I end up picking one over the other, it'd be more because of a preference of a book/story than of the individual movie. It's in the same league as AZKABAN for me and depending on how repeat viewings go I might place it ahead of AZKABAN.

If Warner Bros sticks to their guns and makes all 7 films this could be a history-setter of a series. I don't care how much money the three leads want. You give it to them. They are your characters and by now the audience has a deep emotional investment with them.

That's what I say, anyway.

I was sent the GOBLET OF FIRE video game for consideration for my Holiday Shopping Guide (thanks to those who have sent in suggestions!), so I'm gonna code this up, throw it up on the site and play a little bit before I collapse for the night. If I dig it, you'll see it pop up around Thanksgiving time in my Holiday Shopping Guide .

Thanks for sticking with me through this monster of a review. Now go enjoy the movie! But show up early because this one's gonna make an assload of money this weekend.

-Quint





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  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:36 p.m. CST

    First!!

    by Darth Thoth

    Been awhile!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Seriously though...

    by Darth Thoth

    Thanks for the review Quint. I haven't been able to get into this series despite the praises of many of my trusted geek friends. I guess it's overdue I give these flicks and the books a real look. Thanks.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Caught this yesterday

    by Shawn F.

    I was a big fan of the book and a big fan of the film adaptation. Condensed? Sure. But the important stuff is still there. As far as the effects go, some of the Quidditch World Cup stuff was meh, but the Triwizard stuff was great, especially when Harry goes up against the dragon.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST

    SECOND

    by whatyoufear

    http://batmansneck.ytmnd.com/

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait!!!

    by darquelyte

    My wife and 13 year-old stepson and I have a special dinner and a movie thing at this high end theatre in a ritzy area nearby. The seats are wide, high back leather with wide arm rests which are removable. First you get this really nice buffet dinner and dessert, then you get assigned seats (ours are in the center in the back.) I've been hopeful that they don't mess this up, and Quint sounds like a real fan of the books and movie series, so I'm guessing that they got it right. I'll say it again...can't wait!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Plant!

    by SickPuppy

    Seriously, that was a pretty good job of not really telling us anything. Thanks. Oh, and third, I mean second, no, third. Never mind

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:51 p.m. CST

    I forgot

    by darquelyte

    To mention that the cost is somewhat prohibitive, so we usually only go for "Special Movies." Episode 3 and Batman Begins for example. So, the point really is that I've been hoping that the movie wouldn't disappoint, and it sounds like we'll get our money worht for sure. Still can't wait!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 7:59 p.m. CST

    I saw it today, LOVED IT

    by Bean_

    Everyone needs to see it!

  • http://tinyurl.com/89rpk

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Good review Quint. Looking forward to seeing it.

    by Thirteen 13

    The Harry Potter movies are quite enjoyable.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Emma Watson's NATURAL performance in Azkaban???

    by half vader

    Are you kidding me? She's as camp as a row of tents!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Vader,

    by Bean_

    I think you'll find Emma's performance in Goblet more realistic, at least I did. I don't agree with Quint in that she was over acting, I thought she was extremely good.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 8:50 p.m. CST

    thanks for the review quint...

    by blackthought

    gof is my fave of the books and hopefully will end up my fave of the movies which right now is poa since that was outstanding...the first two are just alright in my mind...but i'm really excited and hopeful for this being of poa's ilk.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 8:51 p.m. CST

    RIP Eddie Guerrero

    by LeckoManiac

    "Viva la raza"...you will be missed Eddie

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9 p.m. CST

    LeckoManiac, this is the wrong crowd

    by Terry_1978

    No WWE fans in here, I'd wager.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:03 p.m. CST

    half vader, is it even possible for a girl to be "camp"

    by Monkey Butler

    I thought that was just the polite way of calling a guy gay.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:08 p.m. CST

    That url doesn't have a pic of Voldemort...

    by kintar0

    it's just a bunch of bullshit in German. I wonder if assholes back in the seventies and eighties bitched about stop-motion, rotoscoping and blue screen as much as they do now about CGI? What's the standard, anyway? King Kong's CGI doesn't look perfect? Whatever. Do you even like movies?

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I've been looking forward to Newell's take on this

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    He did one of the more underrated fantasy-family-adventure flicks of the 90s, Into the West. Reviews so far have got me looking forward to what he's done here.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Better get them filmed before they all hit 20

    by AlwaysThere

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:43 p.m. CST

    any ideas from anyone...

    by matersuspiriorum

    On how the series will end? After HBP came out and everyone had a chance to read, I asked in an earlier thread...didn't really get too many thoughts. Anyone? I think Snape is still on the right side, but perhaps that is a little obvious.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    "she has a hot accent which sounds somewhere between English and

    by performingmonkey

    I'm pleased with this review. It's pretty good if Quint has no real nitpicks with the movie. I've already seen some clips and YES Emma Watson DID seem to be overacting in them, putting way too much into a simple line. She's a little cringeworthy. Perhaps someone will tell her about this and make it stop for the fifth movie (or maybe Newell should have told her to stop it...). That thing with Mad-Eye Moody won't give the game away for those who haven't read the book, I don't think. I bet most people don't even notice the tongue thing. If you've read the book you'll just be looking at Moody and thinking 'that's Barty Crouch Jr.' all the way through the movie, so readers get a little payoff with these hints. There is NO hint in the book, apart from Moody drinking from his flask, and you'd NEVER guess that he was drinking Polyjuice potion.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:55 p.m. CST

    The End

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Know what would be cool...a piano will strike a few random notes, a guitar will strum, and Jim Morrison will begin singing as Harry & Ron fly Hueys over the Mekong Delta and strafe a bunch of Gook Dementors. But probably not.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 9:57 p.m. CST

    The Knight Bus

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Driver, where you takin' us?

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I may have to check these movies out.

    by Josh Town

    I've always been THAT GUY who dismisses these films as childish and stupid, which they might very well be. But, I am very curious, and will make an attempt to watch the first three. Especially since they are on sale at Best Buy this week for $7.99. Anyway, I'm rooting for them to be good. But if they're not, and they're as silly as they sound, I'm going to come back and flame every one of you. Consider this a warning.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Josh Town

    by The Funketeer

    Forget the films and read the books. The films are good but you will be doing yourself a disservice if you ignore the books. They may seem childish at first (no more so than Narnia, or the White Mountain Trilogy) but they get darker as each one progresses. They are mostly very well written and very entertaining.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Length

    by The Funketeer

    I don't know why everyone is so worried about the length of this thing. The book was too damn long. I've long maintained that this was the first book written at the height of Pottermania and that the editors were too afraid to tell her to cut stuff out. The first 100 pages are pretty much all exposition and kind of boring. I think she realized her mistake after this one because the following 2 books get Harry off to school much quicker.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:25 p.m. CST

    darth jesus, it's not German..

    by Windowlicker74

    How stupid can one be?

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Okay, fine. It's not English, Spanish or French, so I can&#3

    by Lenny Nero

    Care to point us to a translated link?

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Monkey Butler & Bean

    by half vader

    Absolutely girls can be 'camp' and be so broad as to approach the point of caricature. Not every gay guy is camp, either. Not every gay man is a screaming queen, and not every straight guy feels he has to be tough, obnoxious & talk about cars & swear all day. Same for girls. They're not all about over-reactions and shopping and "Oooooh, I knoooowww"! It's just my opinion, but every time Emma wiggled her eyebrows and pursed her lips I almost felt her line was redundant as she'd already given the game away. It just seemed sort of amateur to me (my God, when she first greets Harry in POA). But that's just me, and she is (in italics) sort of written that way - if everyone feels differently, then good for you. I'm not dumping on Azkaban though - I loved it. Finally - great handle, Monkey Butler!

  • Is it written in asshole? I'll bet that's why you recognized it immediately.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:10 p.m. CST

    hmmmmm.............'

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:11 p.m. CST

    "...she has a hot accent which sounds somewhere between English

    by 3 Bag Enema

    It's called "Scottish," stupid.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST

    "First!!! Seriously, though..."

    by Sir Loin

    I'm so tired of you stupid-ass kids doing that. It's like you're getting your revenge for never getting chosen first in dodgeball in 3rd grade or something. Wow, you are FIRST! Amazing! Now go get kissed by a girl and eventually move out of mom's basement.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:18 p.m. CST

    And get off my lawn!

    by kintar0

    You goddamn kids!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Sir Loin, the only thing more lame than being first...

    by 3 Bag Enema

    ...is the "get kissed by a girl and eventually move out of mom's basement" humor. So two decades ago. Now, explaining in detail what medieval torture you'd prefer to use on "First!" posters? That's still fun.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Wow, a Potter talkback without a single inappropriate, disgustin

    by Osmosis Jones

    Color me impressed. And Goblet Of Fire looks great.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:38 p.m. CST

    I'd like to hang "FIRST!" posters up by their feet...

    by 3 Bag Enema

    ...and secure their wrists by their ankles, and then explain to them that myself and my associate are about saw them in half with a two-man saw by placing it between their legs and sawing all the way down to their chins. I would also explain that they will be alive for the entire operation, because, hanging upside down, no matter how much blood they lost, their brains would still have all the blood it needs to remain conscious. Now, there are some who would tell me this is too harsh a punishment just for declaring oneself "First!" These people are mistaken. LET 'ER RIP!

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Hey, 3 Bag, what the appropriate torture for people who repost?

    by crazyeyezkillah

    You know, posting the same snarky remark that someone else already posted? You owe performingmonkey royalties, at the very least. Owned.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:53 p.m. CST

    crazyeyezkillah

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Shouldn't you be in bed, young man?

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I guess that's a mistake old guys make, though, right?

    by crazyeyezkillah

    You and Sir Loin could sit on the same porch together. Whether or not you hold hands is up to you.

  • Nov. 13, 2005, 11:57 p.m. CST

    However, crazyeyezkillah, I think you and I and performingmonkey

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Can't we all get along and hate Quint?

  • Nov. 14, 2005, midnight CST

    Oh, snap, crazyeyezkillah! You gots served! Booyah!

    by 3 Bag Enema

    These kids today, with the hoolah hoops and the soda fountains.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:06 a.m. CST

    hmmm...

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Ha ha

    by beelkay

    Yeah, Quint, her accent is Scottish! "Somewhere between English and Irish"? Come on!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Trio

    by beelkay

    Some people seem concerned that the actors will get too old to play teenagers, but even if they take some time off between filming, there isn't a problem. People in their twenties play teenagers all the time.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Rickman & HBP (SPOILERS)

    by Ribbons

    Oh my goodiness... if they do the climax to this book right, it could be like the best moment in film history. Well, no, it probably couldn't, but it'll still be awesome.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:10 a.m. CST

    That article is in Swedish...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and it's basically a local-boy-done-good story about a Swedish guy who was hired as part of a project team of about 300 people for a film company in London. His initial task was to design CG snake eyes for Voldemort, but they were judged to be too frightening and he was then assigned to create Voldemort's CG serpentine nose instead. That's about it.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:22 a.m. CST

    "Now go get kissed by a girl and eventually move out of mom'

    by performingmonkey

    Anyhow, enough of all this petty shit. If the movies are all made 18 months apart that means that Daniel Radcliffe will be 19/20 when he is making the last one. This is no problem at all seeing as Harry is meant to be 17 going on 18. Jeez, we've seen 35-year-olds playing 16 (maybe an exaggeration...no wait, Dawson's Creek...) so it'll be fine. Rupert Grint is like a year older than him and Emma Watson is younger. Imagine her at 19! I'm not one of these people perving over her in her pre-legal years, but I can't wait to see her when she's at the age she can do porn. Hermione Granger and the Creampie of Fire. I'm boring myself now with my lameness. See this movie. Read the books if you haven't. They aren't 'childish'. I don't class 700 and 900 page novels as childish. And the themes in the books are universal. The first movie was OK, the second too long and not an improvement on the first, the third was excellent, with Cuaron making it feel like a real movie for the first time, rather than just trying to put the book onscreen. Newell seems to have done the same thing with Goblet of Fire. The fact is, you need to upset book fans to make a great movie. Suck it.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Sorry, anytime I read a review that's compared to ESB in ton

    by Doc_Strange

    Muggles and Voldemort sound like pussy names.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Just out of curiosity, what other film has a critic compared to

    by Lenny Nero

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Lenny

    by Ribbons

    Only one that springs to mind is 'X2.' I'm sure there's at least a handful of others though.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 4:44 a.m. CST

    Snape Killed Dumbledore

    by CrispyOne

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 6:36 a.m. CST

    "no matter what he does, short of curing cancer, he will always

    by Trazadone

    That's hilarious, and true!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Darth Jesus my bad

    by Bean_

    They must've taken the pic down, I guess WB didn't like it.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Quint, that review made no sense if you haven't read the boo

    by BurlIvesLeftNut

    I especially like that parts where you warn about spoilers, and then don't actually give any.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 7:20 a.m. CST

    burl! what happened?

    by so sorry

    I'm locked out of you know what...

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Quint...reads?

    by devil0509

    I'm impressed. I thought all Quint reviews of book-to-movie conversions started with the disclaimer: "I've never read the book, but...". Cool. Keep it up.

  • I mean up until the very last movie, it was pretty much the absurd party line that the kids would outgrow their parts (Hollywood for,

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Shit, I meant "same kids."

    by Drath

    Dammit, I thought I'd be making fewer typos when I got old, not more!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 8:31 a.m. CST

    uhhh

    by Novaman5000

    It says English and Scottish... where are you guys getting English and Irish from?

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 9:02 a.m. CST

    HALF LIFE 2 is WAY better than the Harry Potter Game

    by Rcamacho2278

    word

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Wow....

    by sith-vol

    ...a long review by Quint and not one Spielberg refrence....color me impressed.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 9:59 a.m. CST

    "reference"

    by sith-vol

    damn fat fingers....

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Saw it on Saturday

    by deadfiller

    I liked the film, but it was completely disjointed for the 1st 90 minutes, then it found a nice groove for the remainder of it's running time. Although I believe HBP can be done in one film (it's mostly just flashbacks that can be condensed anyhow), PHOENIX should be two movies to get all the info in.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 10:39 a.m. CST

    I kind of like these things...

    by MechaTruffautMk2

    I have no interest in reading the books, and, like a lot of you, I suppose, I took them and the movies for childish crap. Same situation as Josh Town, I guess. My girlfriend loves them and dragged me to see Prisoner of Azkaban at the midnight screening...surprise, shit, I really enjoyed it. I later went back and saw the first two, which were definately not as good, but which were also pretty decent. The quality of the performances, direction, storytelling and special effects increases with each film (a slight jump up from Sorcerer's Stone to Chamber of Secrets, a bigger one from CoS to Prisoner of Azkaban). These aren't great masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination, but if you keep in mind the audience, you're going to enjoy them. They're well-done fantasy opera, but if you're looking for the heart and sheer scope of Star Wars, the visual sophistication of Legend, the ambition of Lord of the Rings or the total wonder of Der Nibelung, you're going to be disappointed. If you simply like the fantasy genre, there's a lot of love here - just don't expect the same high you got seeing Luke fly through the Death Star trench or Siegried bathe in the dragon's blood. I'll definately be checking this one out.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST

    An excellent film

    by Saluki

    They continue to get better and better, sometimes by leaps, other times by bounds. I actually thought Emma Watson was fine, but that it was Rupert Grint who needs to step it up a notch. The 1st Task was tits!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Emma Watson's performance...

    by Forestal

    They're NATURAL alright.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 11:42 a.m. CST

    So, talking about Star Wars...

    by conchetumare

    ...massive change of subject

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:27 p.m. CST

    So, I think this movie is going to kick ass and Revenge of the S

    by vinceklortho

    I can't wait to see Goblet; getting my tickets tonight and seeing it on Friday. Also, a couple of points regarding Sith, which I just watched again on DVD: 1.)Why is the main commander of the clone army's name "Cody"? Man, that's gay. 2.)the Jedi which came with Mace to arrest the Chancellor just suck; they didn't even try hard and got beat easily. 3.)the last hour completley kicks your ass. It's funny because you just have to deal with it. Sorry, but your ass is owned by the last hour, much like how Goblet of Fire will kick your ass...really hard.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Commander Cody

    by TrueLies

    Obviously a reference to Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen; listen to "Hot Rod Lincoln" for more info.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but when are they going to make a SERIOUS version

    by HypeEndsHere

    of "One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish"?

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1 p.m. CST

    That is a true lie...

    by Some Dude

    The reference is actually to a 50s trifle called "Commando Cody: Sky Marshal of the Universe." That is also where the band got their name.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:04 p.m. CST

    request

    by mocky_puppet

    hi, can vern please do more reviews? thank you.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Quint. . .

    by YouInRawbIns?

    is underrated. His reviews lack the ego of Mori's (Mori still has great reviews, though) and the fucked-up-ed-ness of Harry's. My favorite reviewer on the site.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:26 p.m. CST

    He changed his review from "between English and Irish" to "betwe

    by Lenny Nero

    So, I say, perhaps Welsh. Although the actress playing Cho is Scottish according to imdb.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:37 p.m. CST

    There is another "Cody" explanation.

    by llac9

    Remember that all clone names are like "TK 421" and "THX 1138". Since he is a commander, they have to say his name alot- so it was eventually changed to something short- in this case Cody. His real name might be KOD 69 or whatever.I

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    It's a shame this will out-earn Walk The Line.

    by ripper t. jones

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Piss on Walk the Line.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Phoenix and Witherspoon are about as believable as the Cashes as J Lo and Usher would have been. Actually, I would go a step further and say that I am pretty much all set with Reese at this point, and wouldn't miss her if she took 5 years off from making films. I'm just sick of her, sorry.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 2:09 p.m. CST

    WHERE THE FUCK IS PEEVES?!?!

    by DOGSOUP

    Best One Yet? Maybe, but it has a lot to live up to after Prisoner. For one virtually no Gary Oldman!! We needed as many miles out of Sirius Black as we could get. I still see this as a stepping stone to Order. The only real plot point they are touching on here that has any weight is Voldemort's return while the rest is a episodic thrillride. I love Moaning Mertyl but again...WHERE IS PEEVES?!?!?!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I hate every ape I seeeee....

    by Rindain

    from Chimpan-A to Chim...wha?...you're telling me this isn't a KONG talkback? Anyway, because it seems someone has to spam every talkback with KONG related nonsense, here goes: KongKongKongKongKongKongKong!!!! There, I feel better now.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I thought Leung had more of a Scottish accent..

    by Bean_

    It was hard to pin down though.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Serenity owns GOF's ass...

    by tango fett

    And I don't even like Serenity OR Firefly. I kid because I love.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 3:53 p.m. CST

    i love ron

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Good review Q...Is Ron still played Wussified?

    by JA_Prufrock

    Nice review...I'm glad they left off the House Elf liberation too..makes OK for a book but this movie had to be cut somewhere..Kinda like the Garden Gnomes in Book 2 getting cut...I've always thought that they play Ron way too scared and wussified in the movies than he more brooding persona of the books...This is the first book where that red-haired temper really comes out...How do they play it in the movie with the whole jealousy thing ect???

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one...

    by Jonesey1111

    who falls asleep during the Harry Potter movies? The books keep me awake, but I can't make it through the movies...

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Hi, I'm directing HP4. This is my friend, Bob. Bob's g

    by Fred Asparagus

    Sigh. I'm the sort of person for whom the music can be, and frequently is, half of the experience (eg with Twister, making the score its saving grace). Learning that Howard Shore would be doing the scores for the LotR movies was a tremendous letdown, after having experienced the hideous music in Se7en. Sure enough, in spite of the truly token AA nod, we got a smattering of so-so motifs sewn into the chalkboard-scratching drone of atonal horns. Constantly. And now this. After three wonderful scores from Williams (and / or a hiree with Williams' sheet music in hand), we get the director's buddy, Bob. For the fourth book, which remains my personal favorite in the entire series. Oh.. just perfect. Quint is the first reviewer to even mention the score. That told me a lot right there. He calls it a nonentity. I suppose that's the best we could have hoped for. Damn it.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 4:52 p.m. CST

    WHAT?!?!?!!! No Williams score?!

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Say it isn't so!! Oh well...

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Puttgrass,

    by Bean_

    Doyle's score incorporates some of Williams' original score, it wouldn't be a HP film w/o it. However, the new songs are great and dark and really work with the scenes, so I DOUBT you'll even notice or care.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 5:09 p.m. CST

    JA_Prufrock,

    by Bean_

    There's a GREAT scene toward the end of the Yule Ball between Ron and Hermione. Ron is complaining about Krum and Hermione and him begin arguing, and their argument turns to Hermione storming out sobbing, after she tells him he should've asked her. You can feel how hurt Hermione is that Ron didn't ask her, and Ron is completely jealous.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 5:52 p.m. CST

    That's cool

    by vinceklortho

    I was wondering when they were going to start hamming up the massive sexual tension between Ron and Hermione. Excellent. As to the score, as long as it doesn't ruin the movie. I'd rather it be a non-entity, than just completely fuck up the movie. I'm psyched for this movie!

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Quint, did you see the SUPERMAN trailer?

    by brokentusk

    If so, what was it like?

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Well, I'm looking forward to this

    by Silverhour

    I'm about half way through Half Blood Prince, and agree that they just keep getting better. I haven't seen Philosopher's Stone yet, but I caught Chamber and Azkaban on TV recently. I went out and picked up the box set, and plan on watching all 3 before going to see Goblet of Fire, probably toward the end of the month here. And I agree with excluding the S.P.E.W. subplot, and trimming down Rita's role. I also hear that the Dursley's aren't in it, which is too bad 'cause I'd have liked to see the ton-tongue toffee scene.

  • Nov. 14, 2005, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Brokentusk,

    by Bean_

    If Quint's screening was like mine (I imagine it was being on the same date), then there were no trailers. At my screening a WB representative introduced the movie and it began right away.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 12:44 a.m. CST

    My biggest qualm so far without having seen it

    by YouInRawbIns?

    is that Fleur Delacour is not hot. She's supposed to be fucking jaw-dropping, and whoever plays her is not hot enough. Don't get me wrong, I'd fuck her about 10 times in 10 minutes, but she's supposed to be goddamn gorgeous. Should've just tossed Keira in there and dyed her hair blonde.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Fleur Delacour naked pics...

    by Rindain

    http://tinyurl.com/w61z From "Welcome to the Roses"

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 7:07 a.m. CST

    HP 3 suffered with inconsistancy

    by jason john

    I know most regard HP3 as "the Best " but a few things pissed me off. The Whopping Willow was just a bush ?? If the Car in HP2 had crashed into that, it would of squashed it. Also, why is Hagrids hut suddenly at the base of the hill ?? I wasn't too impressed with Michael Gambon either, his Dumbledore was too casual ( Nigel Planer doing that Piss-take on Comic Relief of Dumbledore was actually more convincing ). I thought 3 was the worst so far.J K hinted that it was inconsistant.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    GOF owns Serenity's ass...

    by Saluki

    Well, one can hope at least, because Serenity kicked WAY more ass than the trailers let on. Heh, anyways... The complaint about Hagrid's Hut always made little sense to me. It makes for a better staged scene, and looks fantastic. JK also stated the third movie was her favorite, and I can't disagree. It's actual cinema, not a stage play with special effects thrown in like the first two. Count me in for enjoying a more commanding Dumbledore too. It'll all be more convincing at the end of movie five now that Gambon is breathing life into the character. Once I hear complaints (elsewhere) with the short transition scenes and Buckbreak's Flight, I just tune out. At that point it is clear, they would've never enjoyed the movie, no matter the translation from book to screen.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Boo-hoo, the tree and the shack weren

    by mortsleam

    Frankly, Hagrid

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Ah shot Bean, I thought that might be the case.

    by brokentusk

    Apparently it's coming online on Thursday night - Can't. Fucking. Wait.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Columbus vs. Cuaron

    by FluffyUnbound

    I also preferred POA overall, but I think that people have piled on to the production design of the first two films to an excessive degree. There's a basic difference in conceptualization. Columbus [and, I think, the books] present the Hogwarts environment as a "fantastic" place where occasionally "spooky" things happen. POA gives us a sort of permanent Halloween environment where everything, even the dining hall and the grounds, are "spooky". Preferring one to the other will ultimately be a matter of taste - although Columbus' approach did have the books on its side, for what that's worth.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Movies compared tro ESB in terms of tone

    by Doc_Strange

    This one, Spiderman 2 (which is real hard to watch now), X2, Serenity, etc. There are more but none come to mind right now.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 2:10 p.m. CST

    I just got Cannibal Holocaust. Should I watch it?

    by IAmJack'sUserID

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    i'm with saluki and mortsleam on poa...it rocked...simple as

    by blackthought

    and gambons dumbledore definately has the energy i expect of the character...and from what i'm hearing newell's gof is more in vein with cauron's stylign than columbus so my hopes are up and it should be a good time.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Cannibal Holocaust, you ask???

    by vinceklortho

    Watch it...It's hilarious!!

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Doc_Strange you're right, SPIDER-MAN 2 is surprisingly very

    by brokentusk

    It was on TV the other night and I watched it after not having seen it in ages. I couldn't believe it was the same film I'd seen before! Raimi felt the need to insert lame jokes in between each important scene of the film - that chick with the violen singing first the old theme song, then "Where have you gone to Spider-Man?" WHAT WAS HE THINKING?! Bruce Campbell was hilarious though.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 8:06 p.m. CST

    cannibal holocaust

    by Jonesey1111

    Cannibal holocaust is pretty overrated, especially after the warning at the beginning of the movie saying it's the most gory movie ever.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 8:58 p.m. CST

    So Cannibal isn't the goriest movie ever? But it does featur

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Not that I condone that, but that is definately an edge over alot of other so called gory movies! I think I'm gonna wait until I'm piss drunk to watch it, which probably won't be too much longer.

  • Nov. 15, 2005, 10:59 p.m. CST

    goon smashes zombies

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:39 a.m. CST

    I can't wait to take my kids to see GoF this wkend

    by Farging Bastige

    We all love the Harry Potter movies. We also love the books, but they are really getting long, especially when I'm reading them aloud at bed time. Ever read 2500 pages aloud? Sucks. Anyway, good review Quint! Can't wait to see the dragons and Voldemort. Can wait for Emma Watson to overact again though. Yeesh. Yer a cute kid, going to be a really pretty adult, but tone the acting down or in five years you'll be doing nothing but soft porn on Cinemax. Just tryin' to help.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Yet you still took the time to click on the review and post in t

    by SmarkJobber

    You obviously care some. Still, I say a rather silent Moviemack is better than a "Batman Begins"-era Moviemack. Not as good as a gone Moviemack, but one takes what one can get.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 9:24 a.m. CST

    true

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    NOT LISTENING DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS

    by scrumdiddly

    LALALALALALALALA! I'm such an illiterate slob.

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 3:09 p.m. CST

    hmmm......

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Hey blackthought

    by monorail77

    what is with the "hmmmm..." you posted that twice in this TB, what the hell? does this mean something? or are you as lame as I think

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 6:03 p.m. CST

    and oh yeah

    by monorail77

    GOF looks great, can't wait. Thanks for the review, Quint

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 8:11 p.m. CST

    monorail...

    by blackthought

    you are as lame as you think :) and don't worry about my hmmmm's...hmmmm....

  • Nov. 16, 2005, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Ringbearer, Daniel Radcliffe did a non-Potter movie before this

    by Lenny Nero

    Of course, you mean post-Potter film, I'm sure. He's in "Tailor of Panama."

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 12:31 a.m. CST

    IMAXed this movie on Saturday

    by WickedMonster

    Cant wait. Never IMAXed a movie before. Good thing i bought the tickets two weeks ago...all tickets sold out last week....suckers!!! Have to see the final battle scenes and how Voldy is envisioned...

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 6:21 a.m. CST

    by drjones

    spoilers... it was indeed a magical experience to watch this movie. i always love it if you're leaving the theatre and you're still part of the screen world. i happily agree with quint on gleeson's and rickman's performances. man, these guys are just so stunning to watch... then you have this wonderful boat of these northern guys - great stuff - then the whole part in which harry is shown fighting the dragon. the dragon is great effects work as well as the under water shots. however as much as there are all these positive parts and moments i still had a lot of situations of disappointments. despite i've never read a single potter book i was disappointed. i felt let down in a cinematical way. i felt that this film was incredibly rushed... i also miss a certain...- i dunno how to express it - clarity. i always had the feeling while wathing the picture that there was a white veil in front of my eyes. i deem the use of the word realism in the cinematic context pretty controversial. in this case though i'm close to saying that i miss a certain kind a realism in this THE GOBLET OF FIRE. unfortunately i have no idea though how that realism could be achieved by a director. it may be a little drop of sweat on harry's face or who knows what. i'm longing for a reaslism that brings the characters' fears and even the moments of bravety closer to me.it's the question of giving certain scenes more credibility. an example: when potter is caught at that graveyard statue, which is a grim reaper; there is no actual evidence for me why he is in pain. for me this was daniel radcliff pretending to be in pain. i could see in front of my inner eye, every second, as, during takes, potter would just stand there, happily, the scythe in front of his throat. this scene was simply lacking care. time. an eye for what impresses the viewer. when i was thinking about that for a while yesterday i had to think of spielberg's early attachement to the potter franchise. i had to think of the spielbergian way to marry adult and kids entertainment. what would spielberg have done? was my initial question. and i guess that it has always been a strength of him to show convincing heroes and thrilling action and kiddie suspense with credibility. and there was just no white veil in all three indy flicks. (mind you: this is intended to sound simplistic.)

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 8:49 a.m. CST

    imax is pretty dang nice

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 17, 2005, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Seeing it at 12:01 am tonight

    by holidill

    I am seeing it at 12:01 am tonight with my wife. It's at the historic Senator Theater in Baltimore, so I don't think we will see the Superman trailer. They rarely show trailers before the longer movies, though sometimes they show short subjects. However with the length of this sucker, I doubt we will see a trailer, unless it is Kong, which they are getting after this film.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:49 a.m. CST

    cannibal holocaust & hairy potter

    by Josh Town

    I actually just watched the first one and rather enjoyed it. I felt a piece of my manhood leave me, but I'm sure the next time I watch Predator it will return. I just got my 2 disc special edition copy of Cannibal Holocaust in the mail. Man it looks great. What a sick fucking movie! Ruggero Deodato should direct the next Potter movie!

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 12:34 p.m. CST

    by haflinger

    How many times does this have to be said? This is a kid's book. A kid's book. So, yeah, that makes you a bunch of pervs...

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 1:56 p.m. CST

    re: ages of stars, and commander cody

    by jawaburger

    Emma Watson is now 15 yrs old, daniel radcliff is now 16 yrs old, and Rupert Grint, the oldest of the three, is no 17 yrs old. That is now. In the next movie they will be playing 15 year olds, which is basically their age, anyway. It is much better than the BH 90210 crap with 28 year olds playing 16 year olds. You should all buy, or at least rent, "Comic Book: The movie" It is written and directed by Mark Hammill. It also stars Mark Hammill. It is about a defunct comic book called Commander Cody that some studio is trying to update into a movie. That is where Commander Cody comes from. Its Lucass giving Mark Hammill some recognition, yo. The movie is great, and has a lot of fun cameos from the star wars universe, and other favorite nerdy people.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 2:10 p.m. CST

    oh my god

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 5:24 p.m. CST

    I fell asleep watching Goblet, this has NEVER happened to me in

    by Shermdawg

    I loved the last one, but damn, this one is a snoozefest.

  • Nov. 18, 2005, 7:20 p.m. CST

    did you dream?

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 5:37 a.m. CST

    I was impressed.

    by ROBE

    I really enjoyed the movie. It does cut out the Dursleys at the beginning as well as the whole murder of the Riddle family of 50 years ago, however the Dursleys while fun are not vital to the plot. The wizard campsite and Quidditch World Cup feature, but are cut down to the very basics, however again while fun they are not important to the plot. The important parts like the introduction of the Death Eaters and the Dark Mark do get screen time. It is also nice to see the reintroduction of Lucius Malfoy from COS and not some reimagining which leavers everyone who saw COS go "Who the hell is this?". Newell manages to capture the magic of the novel with the impressive introduction of the Durmstrang Ship (which pops up like a submarine) and Beauxbatons Carriage pulled by giant winged horses. The Durmstrang Students all look suitable old style East European military while the Beauxbatons look straight out of a 1930s French Catholic School with added sexiness. The main tasks from the dragon that actually looks like it could exist in reality, to the creepy dreamlike Black Lake Rescue task all work well. I am disapointed there were no creaures in the maze, but the living maze does work very well. The Yule Ball is a real centre piece for the movie, we get teenage hormones at their highest and (shock horror) teenage wizards actually dressing like wizards. There is far more humour with Fred and George actually getting to be funny and that randy ghost Moaning Myrtle had everyone laughing in the audience, thankfully Newell did not decide to reimagine her but respected movie continuity. The final showdown was just stunning however once again unlike the novel things are not explained properly, unless you read the book you are left with questions. The new characters of Barty Snr, Barty Jnr (10th Doctor Who), Skeeter and Moody are all excellently cast and played. The other Triwizard Champions however get very little to say or do apart from Cedric. Continuity is far better than in the last movie with them getting even the same James and Lily Potter from the first movie, which again helps the movie. However where the heck did the Owlery come from and was it really necessary to recast a few of the minor school characters? Dobby, Winky (SPEW story line) and Ludo Bagman all got cut but the movie works well without them, Longbottom easily and logically replaces Dobby. I would give the movie 4 stars out of five. Still not perfect but a lot better than what I was expecting.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 5:53 a.m. CST

    MY REVIEW in FULL: Interesting yet CHOPPY!

    by xoandre

    My first impression of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was... confusion. Sure, I have NEVER read ANY of the books, but that is more due to lack of time and the chance to give an "outsider's" review of the movies than anything else. "Goblet" is a choppy piece of work with little or no emotion, no character development as far as I can see, and short cuts of moments. I was entertained for about fifteen minutes, then became increasingly agitated at the choppy way this movie was cut together. The score is HORRIBLE! To say the least. If the music underlying each scene were a bit more poignant, I might have been able to tell what the characters were supposed to be feeling. As it is cut, this movie seems to have taken the following procedure for storyline: Grab that scene, cut! Here's a moment, CUT! Here's an important change in a character with no underlying motivation or emotion, CUT! OOOOOOO!! ACTION!! CUT!! And on and on... The character(s) who may or may not have died have very little tragedy to them. The score is as much to blame as the direction given (lack of direction?) by Newell. If the music would have been more innovative and introduced anything new, it would have helped the movie greatly. As it is, the score just sits there the same under each scene. Even the dragon chasing Harry has UNexciting music behind it. The Death Eaters are in no way threatening. Harry is lost in the shuffle of it all. Valdemort is a whiny little twit of a morphing mess with NO POWER and NO PRESENCE and definitely NO MENACE whatsoever. Tom Riddle has more power and presence than any of the characters/actors in the entire film! Of course, that has a lot to do with his appearance and savagery in "Prisoner of Azkaban" than anything else. Hermione is just there as eye candy. Ron has a bit to play with as a friend betrayed, yet no depth is given to any emotion in this movie. Here is a film that should have been four hours long to give it ANY JUSTICE in the world. At UNDER two hours and thirty minutes (fill in the rest with ten minutes of credits), this movie is CHOPPY and lacking emotional depth, intensity, and direction. Mike Newell should be ASHAMED! --xoandre

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 6:03 a.m. CST

    My Review... Additional!

    by xoandre

    Sure, there were many great effects. Sure, there were a few great moments. Sure, ther emay have been some effective nanoseconds of emotion from some of the characters. Sure, Dumbeldore was cool. Sure, the "port-key"? idea was a nice shortcut. Sure, I was impressed by some of the dragon moments. But still, it left me feeling empty. --xoandre

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 7:13 a.m. CST

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Don't agree with the above, but there's a few things

    by oisin5199

    This is one of those movies I loved every minute of in the theatre - the eye-candy, some jump moments, the funny, the sad. I didn't think it was boring at all. But after some time for reflection, I realized why I liked Azkaban better. All the actors are getting better and there's a few good character moments, especially for Ron, but many people were there for only a few lines. This is probably one of the best adaptations of Rowling's rambling books in terms of main plot, but it exposes the basic depthlessness of those books. The Tri-Wizard thing does take over the whole story amd the movie's all about driving the plot forward, except for the quite good Yule Ball stuff (some nice little Neville moments). But Azkaban (the movie) seemed like it was about something more than the adventure. Cuaron took the whole wizard thing and played with it as a metaphor for puberty and becoming an adult. Even the Dursleys served as an example of the absurdity of crushing suburban life. To me, Goblet of Fire seemed about...the Goblet of Fire. A great piece of cake, but in the end, just sugar. I'm hoping the next director will explore the more obvious themes of authority, patriotism and totalitarianism in Order of the Phoenix (it's a very post 9/11 'children's' book) and go for more than just the adventure. BTW, which kids have they recast? I don't remember anybody being new, just older.

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 8:37 p.m. CST

    .......

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 19, 2005, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Saw the movie

    by Jimmy 345

    Everything on screen was great but there just wasn't enough. It really needed an extra half hour. Hermonies attempts to save the house elves, the Dursleys, Rita Skeeters writings were all such unfortunite cuts. Other then that everything was great. The action was awsome and Voldemort was the coolest. Loved it all but I wanted more.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 2:21 a.m. CST

    AintitCool Talkback: Where you go to see movies you love torn to

    by Bino White

    Hp4 rocked. Love the book and the adaptation couldn't have been been better. Fuck the depressing nit-picky criticism.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 2:25 a.m. CST

    moablog.blogspot.com

    by Anonymus Coward

    Please see my all-spoilers review at http://moablog.blogspot.com , if I post it here I'll get kicked off of AICN.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST

    yes, kicked off AICN

    by Anonymus Coward

    http://www.livejournal.com/users/evxanadu/101954.html Best Childhood Memory entry: When I was ten, I was living in a far-away country at the time EMPIRE STRIKES BACK came out. A British tourist on a beach once took the time (45 minutes) to tell me every motherfucking thing that happens in the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and the ten-year-old in me is eternally grateful to him, wherever he is today.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 3:27 a.m. CST

    QTN --- There actually is a Jaws

    by Nachokoolaid

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 3:29 a.m. CST

    QTN --- There actually is a JAWS moment in the film (attempt #2

    by Nachokoolaid

    There's a cool moment where Harry is almost eaten by a great white. Honest.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 3:46 a.m. CST

    And about the score

    by Nachokoolaid

    I see a lot of people complaining about the score. Honestly, if you didn't have prior knowledge that Williams didn't compose this, you'd all be like "Williams has done it again!" The score was fine, and it fit the tone of the film. I was actually surprised that it wasn't as bad as I was expecting, and that so much of William's prior work was used.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Weasley is our king

    by twitaman

    Rupert Grint has gone from being the least talented of the bunch in my opinion to becoming the best in his role. He's dropped the mugging for the camera and dopey facial expressions and just seems to be natural. He's become the best actor of the young three. I never thought I'd say that.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST

    i woudn't say rupert was ever the worst of the bunch...

    by blackthought

    but in this movie he was far the best.

  • Nov. 20, 2005, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Asparagus, you're a fucking moron.

    by minderbinder

    Quit sucking John Williams' dick already and open your ears. Seriously, you think you're a fan of film music and you've never heard of Patrick Doyle? His score for Henry V was fucking amazing, and to be honest I think the score he did for this one is better than most of the stuff JW has done for the series. Sure, I guess if you've never listened to any Prokofieff, the stuff he did for the first one probably sounds "original"...

  • Nov. 21, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter made George Lucas his bitch.

    by Mr. Profit

    The Voldermort unveiling was waaay better than anything in Episode 3. HP4 was well rounded. Well acted. Had great effects. And felt really grown up. Mike Newell improved on Alfonso Cuaron's work in HP3. This movie felt more epic and realer. The film nails the tone Lucas was trying to go for with Episode 3. Side note, the audience went APE SHIT for the Kong trailer and were SILENT during Superman. Not one clap or cheer...... And the theater was packed.

  • Nov. 21, 2005, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Dude, it's high school

    by Chicken2nite

    I came to that realization right around the time of the first and second trials, what with Harry wondering around the yard running into the groups of people one at a time (they travel in packs, damnit!) oh man, that was funny. There was a Kong trailer? wuhuh? I saw the supes trailer after seeing it on my computer screen just prior, and they were quite for that too, but whatever. Too many bloody commercials if you ask me.

  • Nov. 21, 2005, 5:20 p.m. CST

    i don't think the superman trailer is cheer inducing ....

    by slappy jones

    it seemed to be to be more of a goosebump maker than a "yahoo" trailer. if goosebumps are what they were going for then it worked on me. in fact i wasn't excited about this new film at all but i know a guy who worked on it and he told me one thing that happens that took my excitement levels from about 3 to a billion..... oh and yes I am a one eyed kong fan but the cinema i saw the trailer in went absolutely nuts for it...especially the last shot of him smashing the biplane. and the new potter film was awesome. i didn't like the first two..haven't seen the third but this one was great. watching the third tonight. I might be converted.....

  • Nov. 21, 2005, 8:05 p.m. CST

    hmmm..

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Saw it last night

    by soulsonic

    Personally thought it was the strongest and most watchable Potter film yet. Thought the first 2 were lame due to the kid's Grange Hill-level performances and Azkaban was stylisticly better, but clunky as hell. This one I felt was closest to the spirit of the books. Never imagined Moody as irish but it worked a treat. Him, Ron and the twins stole the show by miles. Yeah, Grint is 100% Weasley. Still don't buy Radcliffe as Potter though.

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 7:41 a.m. CST

    grint sure did steal the show

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Re mortsleam & FluffyUnbound

    by jason john

    Re Mortsleam " Frankly, Hagrid

  • Nov. 22, 2005, 11:15 p.m. CST

    wow, you guys never give up

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 23, 2005, 11:16 a.m. CST

    the kids' acting

    by twitaman

    The kids are getting better they all sucked in the beginning and I was afraid they'd derail the whole franchise and have to be replaced. But like I said, Rupert is the best in his role as Ron. Daniel Radicliff has grown on me some, but I still sort of wish he was as comfortable in his role as Rupert is in his. Emma Watson has the toughest job because she never really physically embodied Hermione in my eyes and she gets saddled with a lot of exposition. She's about as good as Daniel though -- hopefully they'll get better. How lucky were the filmmakers finding those twins to play Fred and George though? I liked the fact that their roles were bigger in this one as they are very funny. The kid who plays Neville was good too in the funny and touching scene he had to play. I'd like to see more Malfoy, but I guess that's coming in movie 6 when he gets his big scene. He was probably the best actor of the bunch when they were little, and had more experience than the others and it showed. One thing about Daniel/Harry though, is that in my mind I picture a kid sort of like the young John Lennon I've read about and seen in old photographs. Daniel doesn't have that kind of charisma.

  • Nov. 23, 2005, 2:27 p.m. CST

    i did enjoy neville's i killed harry potter moment

    by blackthought

  • Nov. 24, 2005, 5:15 p.m. CST

    I really enjoyed Goblet of Fire

    by Peven

    but my 13 yr old daughter, who has read the books and is a big fan, liked it much less due to changes and things left out. nomatter how muchi try to explain to her why everythig in the books can't make it into the movies, and why some things are even altered from the book, she just doesn't care. i think people like myself who have not read the books have more freedom to enjoy them as films without the baggage of trying to reconcile any differences with the books. that said, as much as i enjoyed Goblet of Fire, if i was to criticize anything it would be the feeling of being rushed through the story just a little too quickly. i think it loses a little emotional impact due to the rapid pacing, yet i also understand they had a ton of material to cover. here's somethig i wish they would do with the Harry Potter movies; how about Extended Editions, like the LOTR movies? that way they could fill things out more, character and story-wise, and please the fans of the books, while still keeping a theatrical version to a reasonable time limit. seriously, why not? does anyone here doubt that it would be profitable?