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Behind the Scenes of what FOX seems to think is the next big Fantasy Blockbuster... ERAGON
Hey folks, Harry here... I have to admit, I really don't know a red cent about the literary universe of ERAGON and its related novel(s). I do know that it apparently has a significant fan base, and certainly 20th Century Fox seems to want this to be the next HARRY POTTER or LORD OF THE RINGS (in terms of success) The director is a first time director, ex-visual fx guy with impressive effects history. The designer for the dragons is Patrick Tatopoulos - who isn't known for designing brilliant looking fire-breathing lizards. And personally the dragons on the cover of the books, just looks like a malformed potato with eyes. But apparently this is a Dragon-Rider story - now in that realm, I've always been a big fan of the DRAGONRIDERS OF PERN series... ILM is handling Visual Effects.
However, FOX has released an early behind the scenes look at this film coming December 15th of 2006, so of course there's no effects finished - and they are probably still evolving the look of their dragons. But damn if this behind the scenes just looked kinda funky. Now - there isn't much more that you can judge than costume designs on main characters and frankly - the particular set of costumes they showed are completely unexciting. Some of the artwork looks nifty and cool - but this first behind the scenes didn't particular get me excited. I'm actually curious about what you folks that like and know the world of ERAGON think of this preview - cuz at least it would be more juicy for you, hopefully - so just talkback below and let's see what all of y'all think. Remember, this is very very very early, they've got a year + some to go, and apparently it is a very fx heavy film. Here's the Behind The Scenes!!!
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Eragon. I have no comment as I have not seen this film yet.
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On the Enterprise, it's Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
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registered? Awesome, they opened it up again.
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Geordi's character on TNG was originally going to be gay. I guess the producers didn't know how much of a playa he is. And compared to Wesley, it's not hard to see who the gay one is. Not that there's anyting wrong with that.
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all i know is it was written by a freaking fifteen year old kid. no really he started it at fifteen...it was published when he was like eighteen or something...my wife started it and couldn't get into it...she said it was like a fifteen year old kid was using big words trying to impress his english teacher...
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My fourteen year old daughter loved the book, though I don't know anything about it. She speaks highly of it but I dont know if she will waste her time with us geeks here discussing it.
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Harry, the book follows the same exact structure as the first Star Wars movie. Teenaged parentless hero lives in quiet berg when a mysterious item falls into his possession that is wanted by agents of the evil empire. His home is destroyed and he falls into the company of the local hermit, who happens to be an ex-Jedi, er, dragon rider, who starts training him to be the same while they run from the bad guys. Eventually they run into a bad guy who serves the evil emperor who may or may not be our hero
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i hadn't heard about these books before, but fantasy films are always welcome. still, this trailer made the film look a bit cheap - that voiceover didn't help. It would have been better to have a more mysterious trailer to make people more intrigued. This just made it look liek a tv series.
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I've read both books, just finished Eldest. Parts of each are great, but as bonecircus said "fifteen year old kid was using big words trying to impress his English teacher". Could be great though, the footage didn't inspire me, but neither did the books. I only hope the power that be don't muck it up to badly. If i were the author i would have let it stew in the minds of the readers for a couple more years. But hey, what do i know? Money's money.
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Has an SFX artist ever made a great movie? Here a tip for FOX, if you want your movie to be the next big thing, use a director with a proven track record. SFX artist never make great film makers, because they are more interested in the SFX than the actors and storyline.
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Anyway Eragon an ok story for teenagers, not quite original but entertaining.
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Then why did they show a drawing that looked a lot like Minas Tirith?
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The best you can really say about it is that is was an impressive forst effort for a 15-year-old writer. But its bestselling mega-success is richly undeserved.
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Don't know what was wrong with me in that last post there. Urk.
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That Eragon can be found only in the Teens section of any bookstore. It's a Teen Fantasy novel, but it's appealed to adults, just like Harry Potter did. They are fun to read and great pieces of fiction. While he's no Raymond Fiest, Terry Goodkind or even R.A. Salvatore, I think he's got a solid future ahead of him. I liked Eragon alot. The behind the scenes isn't much, but it's a glimpse now nothing more, but yet we salivate on movies image stills sometimes and get more excited. I think we're writing this off before it has a chance. At least we got to see some concept art, actors and model structures that look good. Or more importantly, if you didn
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Oct 28, 2005 9:21:04 AM CDT
Yes, and Hollywood script writers and the right people to make T
by drath
Don't know if you know this, Jones, but the dragons in Eragon do talk...sort of.
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...for a decent fantasy film, rather that something like this which is going to drag the good name that LOTR and others has brought to fantasy films, through the mud
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...still dance in Inframan's head. Tormenting him like the pain of a phantom limb. Jeremy Irons was in that movie, too. DRAGONSLAYER's Vermithrax Pejorative could SMITE any reptillian fire breather Fangmeier will put on film. She's an older dragon from better days, when imagination meant a helluva lot more than it does now.
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'nuff said.
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I have not read the books, but it does look like an intresting movie.
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It's a good story but it follows the hero's journey to a t. You have to remember that these books are written basically by a child prodigy and that his writing has and will continue to improve as he grows older.
The second book, Eldest, on the other hand is incredibly well done, and is NOT generic. In fact, if you read it and then go back and reread Eragon, you'll find that it reveals more about the series and definitely makes the first novel less generic.
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Still, this film will likley suck hairy goat nads.
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Oct 28, 2005 9:57:21 AM CDT
Eragon is about the least interesting work of fantasy to bring t
by king_midas
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*CoughCoughDungeonsandDragonsCoughCough*
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It depends on how well they bring Saphira to life. She's the only character with any heart in the books.
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I will now roll my 32 sided dice in shame
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I was in Barnes and Noble a few years ago and saw the hard cover first release of Eragon on the "What's New" shelf. I flipped through it, read a few passages, learned about the prodigal young author, and bought the book on the spot. I have the habit of buying books and neglecting them until it occurs to me that I should ready my money's worth.
A few things happened during the interim. I began writing the first draft of my first novel. The Lord of the Rings film trilogy reminded me to read Tolkien again. I reread Susan Cooper's Over Sea, Under Stone.
Then I read Eragon. I stopped reading after the first two chapters and scanned the rest of the book, the glossary in the back, and the map. The names, places, races, and languages were Tolkein-lite rip-offs set in a Goosebumps writing style. I've tried a few more times and couldn't crack it.
I heard about the sequel and the film in production and was nauseous. How does this happen? You mentioned the Pern books. Many worthier contenders, books that have earned their place in sci-fi/fantasy literature, should be vying for the cinema before this poser invades our theaters.
I need to admit that I'm an ardent fan of Harry Potter and recognize the novels' literary shortcomings. The Potter books have heart. Rowling writes as a story teller, conversationally as though sitting around the campfire or lying tucked in bed. She might borrow her wares, but she combines them so they feel fresh and exciting to the reader.
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enjoyables in reading both eragon and eldest though colorscheme is so right about the tolkien-lite rip-offs with names and everything but paolini has copped to his influences...like they say, steal from the best. was i the only one who wanted more of rohan's story in the second book and found themselves impatient reading eragon parts wondering when we'll get back to rohan's arc which i found far more interesting.
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He ain't playing!
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I'd really like to see the fight between Brin and the Guardian of the One Tree before I die.
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Oct 28, 2005 10:58:45 AM CDT
The studios are picking Eragorn over stuff like Dragonlance or t
by iamlegolas
Those are pretty good action-adventures that would easily translate to the big screen. *** Wasn't Eldest supposed to be crap anyway?
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Oct 28, 2005 10:59:43 AM CDT
Oh great, Patrick Tatopoulos gets another job screwing up the lo
by doc_strange
I'll give his technical skill props but the guy couldn't design creatures to save his life. Fox needs to stop hiring this guy. I mean he made arguably the best monster into a big fucking iguana that didn't breathe gamma rays. Isn't that what Godzilla is all about? His work on I-Robot wasn't all that impressive either but then again anything starring Will Smith is something that should be avoided at all costs. There are a bunch of other, better designers out there. I could probably name about a hundred or so, damn.
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one of the best fantasy/sci-fi authors, period, and in my perfect world The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant would be in production right now, with someone like Viggo Mortenson as Covenant and Jet Li as Bannor, and WETA doing special effects.
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The reactions of some of the people who read the book are unfair. Eragon is not at the bottom of barrel as far as fantasy is concerned, not by a long shot. The barrel that holds fantasy as a literary genre is quite bottomless and 90% of all fantasy is drivel.
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Oct 28, 2005 11:30:23 AM CDT
The New York Times said "you'll find yourself fighting to st
by wannabeposer
Great endorsement! (Sorry, Yag) I suppose it's too much to hope for a challenging, thoughtful, and original film in the sci-fi/fantasy genre. I'm certain that more than one of the people who frequent this board have written a screenplay or novel with more originality and daring than this. I'm sure the author of this series is an intelligent and competent writer, but haven't we seen enough of this type of stuff? Won't somebody in Hollywood take a chance on some fresh material? Please! Christ, I haven't been compelled to hit the theatre in months now.
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Two words (or one, I guess) - best-seller. This is all the hype with the kids and the studios know they can rake in the cash with it because it's currently so popular. I wrote a short novel when I was 11 that incorporated every fantasy and scifi cliche I had absorbed up to that point. Maybe I should have tried to publish it. Having said that, my 12 year old loves Eragon. I'm sure his grandmother will take him to see it.
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Hey don't be dissen on Reign of Fire. That movie Rocked! Plus it had geek-hero Christian Bale. Only thing it needed was some naked nips.
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The actor has to look great in blue lipstick.
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The sequel was not directed by an FX guy...
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ERAGON is SHITE. My sister downloaded a chapter just to get a feel, and it's the worst written pile of crap ever. Like a first draft of a fantasy novel written by a fourteen years old. Apparently the writer is really ful of himself and wants to be 'a combination of Joyce and Tolkien' but he comes across as a combination of fighting fantasy and pig-vomit. Lines like 'He stepped out of the ink-black shadows onto the pavement under the star-spangled sky. CRAP SHITE RUBBISH!!
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'Like a first draft of a fantasy novel written by a fourteen year old'
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Oct 28, 2005 1:09:33 PM CDT
People....go to amazon.com and read the reviews of this book....
by cherrycola
You'll find NUMEROUS people let down by the shitty structure of the books and how the publisher is OBVIOUSLY hyping this shit up to cash in on LOTR and harry potter. What, they can't find another fantasy series to mooch off of? Why not the hyperion series??? Oh wait, you can't have the shrike on bedspreads or kiddie underwear. OH WELL.....ALL OF YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE USHERED INTO THE NEXT DARK AGE OF MOVIES AND MOVIE TIE-INS. YOU ARE ALL CURSED. MAY WHATEVER GOD YOU BELIEVE IN HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS. BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
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i could use a muffin.
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Oct 28, 2005 1:24:04 PM CDT
Harry Knowles is upset there is no UNICORNS in those books.
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Oct 28, 2005 1:25:53 PM CDT
Of course he's gay. If he wasn't gay... that would be a
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You know, this is one of those things that you never expected to hear about when you woke up this morning. I don't know why he waited till now. Good for him I guess.
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..Will they have the leads with stuble (including 'the girl' ) and dirty finger nails?
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I read Eragon a couple years ago (at the time I had nothing better to do) and thought it was absolute shit. After watching this behind the scenes video I think the movies may actually be superior to the book. In any case, why dosn't somebody wake up and do a movie version the Thomas Covenant books, which is vastly superior to any other non-Tolkien fantasy out there.
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Thanks all, I HAD started considering reading Eragon, but I'm thinking I'm going to stay away, glad I have a heads-up.
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I'm always in a rush to post that I never headline... ah well
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I can't believe they are turning this crap into a movie. And this quickly. The only reason this book even sold more than three copies is because it was marketed as the "next Harry Potter". I read the first one and it was utter crap. Terrible story telling, terrible writing, terrible character development. It reads like it was written by a teenager, because it was! And now we see that the movie is going to be pretty faithfull to the book: bland and boring. FOX deserves all the failure that will rain down on them for pushing this shit. Well, at least Chris Paowhatever is set for life...
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Ever since "Lord Of The Rings" made bookoos of money, other studios are going to try to jump on it. I predict a future of many shit fantasies, all because of the success of a few good ones.
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Although it's an established piece, it wasn't made for any other reason other than the success of HP and LOTR. If either of those two had crashed and burned, we wouldn't be seeing anything from C.S. Lewis on the screen. And that includes the new live action Alice in Wonderland supposedly in the works.
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Probably the same reason why Hitchhiker's Guide didn't really work as a movie. You've got a writer with a very particular sense of (British) humor that's based on literary wit and use of language. Without massive narration, it doesn't really work on the screen like it does on the page. I've heard there's some animated Discworld things out there - I'd like to check those out. Of course, there's a wide range of material there, but it's risky for the above reasons and that it has a cult following - both a recipe for disaster.
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Oct 28, 2005 2:42:43 PM CDT
Thank you, AICN talkback!!!! (freeze-frame on me smiling and gi
by inspectordoppler
I was seriously considering picking this book up and giving it a shot, glad I perused this talkback first.
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I agree, it's time Discworld was brought to the big screen. But there are so many friggen books! Which ones do you adapt? Rincewind's stories? Stories involving The Watch? Just too many to name.
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Than this cliche pop bandwagon tripe. No originality. Already familiar plot devices and oohh..Dragons! Lets look at the 100000 other Sci Fi books first.
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STOP IT!! YOU'RE KILING ME MAN!! ROTF!!
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Ripping off many superior works while sticking painfully close to the well worn Hidden Fortress/Star Wars structure, and throwing a thick old coat of Lord Of The Rings flavoring over the top. It is, quite literally, one of the most derivative and overhyped books I've ever read in the genre. Ever. But hey, it's got dragons in it. Guess that's enough for some. It's one of those books where it's success and popularity stupifies me, only thing I can think is that maybe some people are just taken in by the smoke and mirrors familiarity of it all. It's one of those works so middle of the road that it won't offend anyone, so despite being derivative, utterly lacking in new ideas or even a hint of originality and never even coming close to having it's own voice, it's also harmless enough to not cause a stir with anyone, in the great tradition of easily digestible to the masses mediocrity. It never bothers to take any risks, to even think about challenging it's readers, it just spoon feeds them with something familial, cookie cutter, and utterly by the numbers. It's not art, it's product. And I'll admit I've never read anything past the first book, but after that's first book that's because I never, ever wanted to.
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I remember seeing an animeted version of Truckers about ten years ago now that made me think about how well it could transfer to film. Anyone else know about this literary trilogy?
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As a constant reader of fantasy and sci-fi, I can say without a doubt that Eragon is about the most unoriginal book I've seen which has gained this much attention. There is nothing impressive about this book, even the author's young age. So he saw Star Wars a lot and wrote a book that is structurally identical, is that deserving of praise? Perhaps the second book is an improvement but I could care less, it doesn't excuse the blatant plagarism in the first volume. I hope this movie flops like it deserves to. Bring on a Song of Ice And Fire TV mini-series on HBO or something, now that would impress me.
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Wasn't Scorcese interested in Hyperion at one point, with Leonardo set to star? Anyway, Hyperion would rock on the big screen like nothing else.
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I'd be interested in a good Fafhrd & Grey Mouser movie, but I would be disappointed in a poor Fafhrd & Grey Mouser movie.
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You could do a whole Harry Potter satire with the Unseen University and combine some Rincewind stories. Or better yet, some Death stories, especially Mort. Or even a good standalone like Small Gods or Thief of Time. Whatever happens, Pratchett must write the script! I'd trust no one else.
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Oct 28, 2005 4:15:42 PM CDT
HIS DARK MATERIALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (btw, ! = important, must
by tonywilson
If ANY family fantasy novel needs to be adapted it's this. An intelligent beautifully realised world perfect for a cinematic imagination,areresting, original thought provoking story and chracters,ARMOURED FUCKING POLAR BEARS. Get rid of Chris Weitz and shred the current script. Get Stoppard and Gilliam to write it and of course Gilliam to direct ( I know Gilliam's name gets bandied about all to frequently for directing jobs, but come on this time it's perfect as long as he has a fantastic script. Critical Acclaim to follow. You'd make a mint at the B.O and definitely been in line for awards. Someone do it NOW.
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Dragons are for nerds.
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Says the narrator as they simultaneously show a concept painting clearly ripped off of Jackson's Minas Tirith.
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Those books are completely unoriginal and poorly written.
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That is all.
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While I understand the concerns with the derivative nature of the story, I also think the fact that they're filming in Hungary is an obsolute plus. They not only save in the budget area (something that likely helped to attract such a solid cast and effects crew), but could provide a myriad of striking locations for filming. The only question marks, at this point, seem to relate to the skill-level of the director, and the crafting of the all-important script. If they put the right care into it (and I understand that this may be an understatement), the remaining pieces of the puzzle should fall into place...
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I was sick when my husband came home the first book in this series. I am about half way through it and I have to say I am having a good time reading it.
After viewing this segment on the film though I am worried that this may turn into another Earthsea suckfest. I was happy with some of the casting choices, Irons as Brom will be a joy but I have to say I didn't see his character as a country Bard wearing black leather. The new commer in the lead is nothing like what I imagined the Eragon character to be, but perhaps he will pull it off. The dragon will be very important if they screw that up then all is lost. -
should adapt all pratchatt work.
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Straight to DVD.... But the good news is that there it might be better than the book.
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....with Johnny Depp as Rincewind (although probably not too diferent that Mr Sparrow) he'd murder the part...!!!
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HogCholera--check this out in case you missed it: http://tinyurl.com/aom4l
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There was a D&D2?!
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this looks pretty cheap and schlocky. they should ditch the FX guy and hire a fifteen year old kid to direct it. Then, everyone can say, "ooh, he did such a good job for being so young!"
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I have read all four of the hyperion books and can envision them all in my mind. Yes, the budgets would be astronomical and would command the capital needed to run a small nation...but corners could be cut with the casting of unknowns along with a "name" or two for good measure. besides, CGI is getting to be more "organic" looking and could be used to show the worldtree, the time tombs, hell, the hawking mat in a very good way. The first two books could blow people away. As for endymion....oh boy, the catholic church really gets a spanking in those two and people would be all up in arms before the movies even came out. Wow, the idea of seeing people ripped to shreds and being reconstructed at the whim of thinking machines controlling humans with the cruciform...you HAVE to admit that's a rather enticing vision. lol. Who am I kidding? that would fooking RAWK. Oooh, and the ousters could be so amazing...and the end of the series where humanity changes forever...that could be the ending to end all endings. fuck star wars, fuck the matrix movies, fuck just about everything else. Dan simmons vision of the human race and the space between planets being filled with plantlife and living beings "freecasting" is too good to not put on the big screen. Although you sci-fi geeks (like me) have to see the similarities between the "force" and the "void which binds". But still, it would be something to see on the big screen. Let's hope ridley scott gets a wild sci-fi hair up his ass and takes a ride to the future instead of the present or past. People need hard-core science fiction that deals with adult subject matter. Maybe a japanese or some european country can do it justice. Sorry, but we as americans are just too obsessed with these damn remakes (the fog remake?? WTF?) and kiddie fare to do something as bold as hyperion/endymion.
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all you readers should pick up hyperion...if that suits you fine, which I know it will, then pick up "the fall of hyperion" to close things out. If those two really grab you by the short hairs, then read endymion for a nice "after" story set 260 years in the future. Only completists should read "rise of endymion" due to the fact that I really REALLY felt simmons was channeling lucas and it felt somewhat rushed. the hero named enymion was too much of a fucking prick sometimes to be taken seriously as a "savior" of sorts. But the ending of it all really pays off (i read "rise" two times and the second time I kinda skipped over a few chapters) and is very satisfying. Good reading and definite keepers.
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IMO as each of the different stories the pilgrims tell would really need a few episodes a piece to tell them properly. Also, with the pilgrimmage being a framing device and the multiple stories, it would work better in an anthology type longer format. However, I will take whatever I can get to see.
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Artemis Fowl. Interesting world, great characters, straightforward plots, eminently filmable. Hollywood, are you paying attention?
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Aren't the portals called farcasters?
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I know he'll do completely valueless and dreadfull drama material for money, but will he shave his head if there's no Oscar possibility? Here's someone who looks, strangely, like he knows: http://funnypictures.punt.nl/veelzijdig/funpics2004/juli2004/image/arseface.jpg
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And it's about time.
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Dang it! Why does't somebody get off their lazy asses and make the Chronicles trilogy into some movies. If (WHEN!) that works, you've already got the Legends trilogy right there! Seriously, the movie ideas from all the Weis/Hickman novels alone are endless.
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Shame, really. All of the pretenders to the throne. They all stink of amateurish, shallow, copycat dreck. Translation: it'll do fine business.
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Yeah, in Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion people can farcast via portals. As you know the machines set this technology up in order to allow people to transmit across time. The farcaster technology was built on a medium known only as "the void that binds" also known as 'plank space'. Basically the 'void' is one huge massive continuum that expands the known universe and beyond. The machines (or the 'core') exploits this massive field by punching "holes" in the medium thereby allowing humas to pass thru. Turns out the machines were using humans as guinea pigs and using brain waves to add to their design to build the "UI" or ultimate intelligence. Meina goldstein found this out and blew the farcaster core to shit thereby ending the connection to the 'void' and also cutting off the real time communication structure called "FTL" or the 'fatline' which allowed transmission along the same 'void'.
(Takes in breath....)
Well, in endymion all humans are seperated across light years and can only travel by hawking drive which takes a hell of a long time. The catholic church strikes a deal with the remnants of the core and the cruciform is introduced to humanity. This gets weird.....the cruciform is actually a parasite that attaches to the body and can bring back the dead. The military travels in ships that literally tear their bodies apart only to be reconstructed. Well, the PAX (or catholic church) wants to find out the secret to 'freecasting' which is the ability to transmit oneself within the 'void that binds' and travel by mind to other points in the universe. I left out ALOT of stuff but I think I've said enough. "Freecasting" is travelling by mind across plank space without the "artificial" connectors known as the farcast points. Okay, time for bed now.....hope this clears it up for you and gets some people to read up on the books. -
theres a TON of original material in simmons books that can be spun off for years to come.
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...that His Dark Materials is in production, though there hasn't been so much as a casting rumor yet.
As for Thomas Covenant; well done whoever though of Viggo, but it's a script nightmare; all those characters who seem like mirrors of characters who died 1000 years ago in a different book. Personally, I'd lie to see the giant Foamfollower carrying Covenant over a sea of molten lava in agony. All those rapes, failures, insanities, deaths and doubt would make for an amazingly sombre fantasy experience. But nobody could sell it to the studios; 'Hey, it starts with a leper raping a teenage girl and...it gets worse and worse. -
Whilst we're discussing fantasy films that will never be made, can I just put a shout out of "Magician" by Raymond Feist. Granted, it was his first novel, and his writing style was a bit primitive back then, but it's a proper good story. What's disappointing is that although his technique has improved since then, I haven't read another book of his which has been much good, apart from the Daughter of the Empire ones, which were mostly written by someone else.
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I always wondered if "Eragon" was about a higher order of dragons or something. Like the dragons who's name started with the "D" were like the lower class dragons, and the next class up used an "E," hence "Eragon." Might be silly, but I always wondered that. After all this negativity though, I'm glad I didn't waste my time.
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Fragon and Gragon are looming on the horizon?
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Just re-read the first two trilogies to prepare me for the new quadrilogy coming out. The Covenant books are an awesome read. I wonder if any studio has optioned them. They would make for a very adult fanasty movie series, and like someone said previously, hard to market. I'd love to see someone like Ethan Hawke cast as Covenant. He kind of has that mad prophet look half the time. I'd kill to see any of the Bloodguard in action. I think they could get away with a PG-13 rating on the material.
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Oh yeah, I
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There are at leat two animated films "Wyrd Sisters" and " Soul Music" the animation is basic(but ok)and very faithful to the books, "Wyrd Sisters" is the better of the two though also theres an inspired piece of casting with Christopher Lee as DEATH(just bloody perfect) in both of them
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D comes before E after all. So given that, "Eragon" probably refers to the lowly shitlicker lizards who have to clean up after the Dragons, Cragons, Bragons, and Aragons. And they probably use "Fragon" as a curse word explative. Hey, and Aragon sound enough like Eragon that maybe an Eragon switches places with an Aragon and has to keep it secret while he reforms the rigid caste system....hey, we should take this to Disney and market it as the next Smurfs!
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...eat it._____ I think the Watch books would make the best Discworld films. And the last I heard, "His Dark Materials" was stripped of all "religious references" because they might make the audience "uncomfortable". To which I repeat, "eat it."
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Oct 29, 2005 10:35:00 AM CDT
If you want amazing scifi/fantasy, read Julian May's "The Ma
by zinc_chameleon
In its day--the 1980s--it was choice one for illustrators. She has created the most 3d characters found in scifi/fantasy, bar none. May put most of the complexity into her characters. The fact that she then dropped them into the pre-Ice Age Pliocene era was just icing on the cake. Check them out.
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I don't know.
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please rename your site to Ain't It Cool Broken Links
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Has anybody actually read the book? I tried reading it several times and it made me feel like I was doing penance for something truly horrible. I mean Jeffery Dahmer-horrible. They read Eragon to the detainees as Abu Graib. It's that bad. And now they're making a movie? THERE IS NO GOD, II TELLS YA!!!
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Cool point about Eragon - it was written by some 15 year old kid. What were you losers doing when you 15 ? Certainly not writing a bestseller that gets optioned for a movie. Derivative or not, that's impressive.
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Obviously there are some serious Fantasy fans. I think Feist's Krondor series would be the most easily translated into film.... but Song of Ice and Fire would be awesome. Couple problems with it: (a) Hollywood hates killing off the "heroes", whereas George Martin thinks its funny .... (b) Some of the main anatagonists are incestuous lovers - that ain't going to over well with PTRC ..... (c) another main character is a 14 year old girl - who has graphic lesbo sex and gets the living shit fucked out of her by the equivalent of an Arabian prince - after having been set up to marry her brother. So while it is indeed a great book series, I can't imagine it being written into a script you could actually sell in hollywood.
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to read, and hasn't started it yet, go with Stephen Erikson's Malazan Empire series. Incredibly, engaging and almost painfully complex to read - but well worth it. He's got 5 books out with a 6th due in Feb. I think only the first two have been released in the US ... they waited forever to publish them here because they thought we were too fucking stupid to follow the series, so they didn't think it would sell... you can get all the old UK or Canadian edition books from abes books or amazon.ca . Very new take on the fantasy genre.
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If I could see anything on screen, it would have to be Gene Wolfe's superlative "Book of the New Sun" but again, the characters and story are difficult (to say the least) to adapt.
Does anyone else like Mary Gentle, China Mi -
I've only read the first two books--guess that's why I didn't understand the freecasting reference.
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..you can tell. It's lame. It's no Harry Potter. It's no Lord of the Rings. It's not even a Chronicles of Narnia. It's not even a Dungeons and Dragons. I bet it'll be better than Dungeon Siege, but not by much. No, this doesn't need my money.
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i mean boll has the gaul to split that flick into two movies cuz it's so "epic"...that guy cracks me up.
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I'm really worried, after the success of LOTR that studios will rush a bunch of fantasy on us without thinking....oh wait, i guess thats already happened.
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I'll fluff my pillow in
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David Eddings....The Belgariad, Tad Williams...The Dragonbone Chair, Robert Jordan...Wheel of Time, and wait for it, the granddaddy most deserving of ANY series to be made into a film is....Glen Cooks' "The Black Company" - bar friggin none. No series compares period to that.
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...then you'll absolutely love "Tale of the Malazan: Book of the Fallen" by Steven Erikson. It's hard fantasy like Black Company but more epic. I urge you to check it out.
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You know this to be true...
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A bit off-topic, perhaps, but I'm seeing this incorrect usage all over the 'net and I thought I'd point it out, seeing as so many folk here are criticising Paolini's writing...
The correct phrase is: "I couldn't care less." This states that you care so little about something that it would impossible for you to care any less. If you say: "I could care less", you are stating that you do in fact care somewhat about something, because it would be possible for you to care less. Of course, I daresay you couldn't care less.
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when you're reading eldest and eragon's character arc you just wish to get through real fast to get to roran's story...which i found far more interesting...and burgers sound good.
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Oct 31, 2005 4:10:23 PM CST
does anybody remember that kickass sega saturn dragon-riding gam
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it was ass-kicking indeed...i forgot the name. a cookie will be sent to the one who does. also, just the fact that this eragon series completely and blatantly rips STAR WARS off, automatically fills me with rage and sadness, upon realizing not only hollywood doesn
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that new shadow of the colosus game would make a pretty swank movie...all those giant beasts.
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While I love the discworld series, maybe studios have tried to option the series, and Terry Pratchett isn't the money whore that a lot of authors are. Aside from Rowling, he's probably the second highest grossing author in the UK. He doesn't really need money and maybe he doesn't want to see his universe bastardized on screen.
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As we can see from analyzing some of Simmons', Wolfe's, Martin's, Pratchett's, Zelazny's (etc.) best works, it can be universally stated that truly great SF or F novels cannot be adapted into film (LotR being the exception that proves the rule). Corollary: Hollywood only adapts *bad* SF/F novels. Fuck. --- Buuut... if they ever *do* make Hyperion, I ask but one thing: Brad Fiedel MUST, i repeat MUST do the music for it!!! The Shrike deserves a theme from the guy that scored the Terminator. Not to mention music befitting the World Tree. If they fail in this, they better damn pick Basil Poledouris to make up for it.
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yeah
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If those who hate the book so much would spend as much time doing something productive as they do complaining, they might have something to show for their lives.
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