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For those that have always been curious about KONG's length... plus no Imax. Denied!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some KONG news for ya'. The New York Times ran an article today that announced the length of the movie. It's a Kong-sized 3 hours. I am pleased as punch to hear this, personally. The longer the better, I say. In my KONG set reports I tried to tell you guys just how epic this movie is going to be. This runtime is further proof that. Isn't it great that we live in a world where we get a 3 hour long monster movie with creatures that'd make Harryhausen shed a tear of delight?
The New York Times article also mentions that KONG will not be shown on Imax screens (bummer). Guess Kong will have to live with being 35mms tall for a while.
And one more Kong item before I leave ya'... I know this is a shitty little promotional game for a pot-head's snack, but I'm so incredibly addicted to this internet Kong game called KING KONG JUMP where you have to jump over rolling cans of Pringles. According to the stats, I am the 13th best player on the globe with 265,098 points. Although I don't anticipate keeping that position as I was 11th best with that score no more than 2 hours ago. Check it out by clicking here!!!
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and thats awesome, 3 hours Kong, I am loving it
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speaking of darth, I just saw episode 3 all over again and oh my GOD does christian haydensen SUCK. EVERY single line of delivery is painful to hear. Even simple lines like "I hate you" or "Yes Master"
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They go to an island, find Kong, bring him back, he climbs up the Empire State Building. Don't see how you can milk 3 hrs out of that premise.
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As long as King Kong doesn't say goodbye to everyone for the last 45 minutes, I'm cool.
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Hah. I win.
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Oct 27, 2005 2:20:14 AM CDT
"When my Kong die, everybody cry. When PJ's Kong die, it a f
by det. john kimble
Italian accents are funny.
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Not that I blame him. Universal is freaking at this point. Perhaps they should start the promotional campagin soon since there is about six weeks to go. AND, how does PJ and company have time to NEGOTIATE while they are tyring to finish a suddenly longer film! I am crossing my fingers that there are no cartoony FX sequences.
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Oct 27, 2005 2:21:07 AM CDT
Aw Shit! I swear I didn't mean to do that! Quint buddy, coul
by shermdawg
Sorry, that was the first, and LAST time, that will happen.
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The funniest thing I have read at AICN since Harry liked Van Helsing! (Also made my Universal I might add).
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A King Kong sized dumbass. Now everyones gonna go apeshit (pun intended) cause I accidently stretched the talkback!
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In PJ we trust. Amen.
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i just ranked #32 on my first try!
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I'm not joking or bashing. Peter Jackson theater cusions for maximum comfort during long ass films. I'd buy one! Peace.
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Oct 27, 2005 2:43:20 AM CDT
I would love to meet Peter Jackson and just thank him for everyt
by alucinor11
One of my favorite games of all time is being made into a movie and Peter Jackson even having the slightest bit of influence makes me just know that everything is alright. Halo will be an amazing movie. How awesome a thought is that? Thank you Peter Jackson! Oh ya and thanks for all those other little masterpieces you made along the way...
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"This runtime is further proof that." That what exactly?
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I don't how hard core you guys will praise this films time duration. There are certain 'perfections' within the film industry that MUST NOT be trampled. 1. the size of a film frame ie, 35mm. 2. the frame rate which makes up one second of screen time ie, 24fps. 3. The duration of a film ie, 2 hours - give or take 15 minutes depending. You see, studies have shown that a) the human mind and b) the human bladder & c) the human arse can't hold out for periods much longer than 2 hours. But there are other factors as well, ANY story can be substanciated in such a way that it fills a 2 hour time period. so long as they follow the three act structure. Any film that breaks this runs the risk of breaking a natural harmonious flow of enjoyable story telling. LOTR suffered tremendously from this. I have no reason to be excited about the prospect af this film being 3 hours because the film makers have not proven they are capable of filling the time frame successfully in a nice simple flowing narative. Peter Jackson is not some super film maker. He is just a film maker and he should show some vigulance. Look the point is, 3 hours is just to fucking long for any films. even Dances with wolves, one of my all time favourites. And I have tremendouse respect for certain film makers (cough Lucas cough Spielberg cough Zemekis) who understand the simple art of a nice tight film.
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If there is a four hour version released a year after the theatrical dvd release - I'm gunna.....
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Oct 27, 2005 2:57:56 AM CDT
No, this film will make boatloads of money. Sure it will! SURE
by lordenigma
207 million before advertising? Fucking hell. This film has a bigger hole dug for it than the LOTR trilogy. PJ has lost it, and it began to show with ROTK. His ego knows no bounds. This film smells like a turkey in October. I wonder what it will smell like after the critics jump all over it? Maybe the rotting carcus it has always been.
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Peter Jackson is an extraordinary filmmaker. You are actually saying he should have made The Lord of The Rings shorter? Look at how much shit is in the book to draw from!? Just because you can't handle 3 hours in a movie theater gives you no right to criticize the quality of those movies or any movie that needs 3 hours to tell the full story.
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the 12 hour super spectacle "King Jesus Fuckin H Christ Kong" featuring the much anticipated Adrian Brody 2 hour fart sequence in which we find out that Kong is Luke's father.
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The convoluted headline is bad enough, but what's really cool about the article you link to (the print-friendly, photo-free version of) is the new Kong still...
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/27/business/27filmCA01readdy.html
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Almost every movie turns out to be too long nowadays. Ever since the 2 hour+ adventures of Frodo & his crew and that pesky British wizard did so well at the BO movies are becoming too long. I'd prefer a tight and nice Kong, but Jackson probably has final cut...
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...it creates the impression that it is somehow more significant than movies with lesser run times. Well, it does for me anyway, and I am much encouraged by this. And it also worked with LOTR. You can't deny Jackson's track record with a longer movie.
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is great, he became fuckin scary, and 3 hours arent too long for a dinosaur, giant ape and a hot blond threesome on a lost island...
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a film that is 100 minutes long can sometimes drag, whilst a 3 hour film can sometimes breeze by.... it's all in the editing. The LOTR films were patchy when it came to editing, so hopefully they've learnt how to control pacing a bit better this time around.
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Oct 27, 2005 4:11:37 AM CDT
Jesus, the original told the same story in half the time...
by charlie & tex
...even the seventies remake managed to tidy away the narrative in just over two hours. Jackson (we've been fans of his from the very beginning) still seems to be under the influence of LOTR, as he seems to feel it necessary to take a lot of time to tell a story. Whereas LOTR was a huge story and the lengthy running time was deemed necessary, Kong or KING Kong was we prefer to call it is a fairly simple story that can be rattled off pretty quickly. For some reason, we have little interest in actually watching the thing - in the times since the original, there have been many movies that have depicted primates and dinosaurs, so the sheer novelty factor of seeing such beasties on screen isn't really there nowadays. We have our expectation levels set pretty low, but we're hoping that Jackson will be able to impress a couple of jaded old fuckers like us...
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no matter what you losers say, everyone of you will go see it.
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She lost her will to live despite the fact she knew she had a KID coming. LEt me tell you, I just had a kid, you just dont LOSE THE WILL so quick. Padme had a job to do, a responsibility, like that kid who lost his happy dog, with his happy ears and happy feet who was also named happy...Gave up looking after only an hour. You know what, You get out of your house and YOU FIND THAT FUCKEN DOG!
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...but three fooking hours for a big gorilla? Unless I get 8 swordfights, a giant ape sex scene, some werewolves and vampiresa drug addiction scene ala French Connection 2, another ride of the Rohirrim, and Naomi Watts' magnificent nipples, this is far far too long for a big monkey film.
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And I suspect that deep in their fanboys hearts Quint, Harry et al know it. It's King Kong for fuck's sake, not a 3 book epic that needs condensing! I think PJ has done great things and still hold out hope for Kong, but this bit of information makes me worry. Self-indulgence is looming on the horizon.
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If your erection lasts that long, see your doctor.
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Oct 27, 2005 5:09:17 AM CDT
Did he change the captain to a strong female character that batt
by salvatoregravano
He has done that previously.
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AND it's 3 hours with two of the blandest/ugliest leads in memory.
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One of the more amusing aspects of this site is the insistence of its key personnel that Peter Jackson is the Messiah.
In fact, Jackson's record is very ordinary. While Heavenly Creatures is a competent, though hardly brilliant, piece of work, his other efforts, such as The Frighteners, are downright embarrassing. And LOTR... well, three overlong, poorly-acted films based on the worst fantasy epic of all, with the last film now an international joke for its number of endings... the guy is a clown.
And now he's doing Kong at 3+ hours... so tell me Jackson cultists, how long was the original? How long did the '33 Kong go for? Can't hear you. Speak up. Don't want to say? Oh dear. It was 100 minutes. Sad.
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Let me guess, your favorite director is James Cameron and you cried at the end of Titanic. Look, I didn't go to film school for one semester just to end up having to listen to other people's opinions, you six piece chicken McNobody.
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...EVERY APE I SEE, FROM CHIMPAN A TO CHIMPAN ZEE... NO YOU'LL NEVER MAKE A MONKEY OUT OF MEEE!!!! He he he.
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...somebody wheels out that dumb 'chimpan A to chimpanzee' line. And it's a different person each time, so all of them must think they were the first to say it. But you're not, and it's getting a bit embarrassing. I guess you're gonna come back now and say that you are aware, and that by repeating the line again you are making some sort of cool in-joke. But I don't believe you.
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Oct 27, 2005 7:30:18 AM CDT
LoTR got away with film length because of the material that was
by realdoublej
Now think of how many people would want to attend a 3 hour monster movie? Yes, geeky film nerds and their brothers who practically live off the internet. Will it work for the dating couple? well, after 2 hours of necking they're either going to leave before the end or start being jungle-bunnies in the back row. My litmus test (ie my bro) came back with trepidation when I told him the length, why? He see's 3 hours as a test of endurance in a cinema but we both agreed there's more of a chance of there being more bang for your buck...unless ticket prices rise again before xmas
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Oct 27, 2005 7:31:16 AM CDT
Ya dude Kiwiguy should be banned from talkback forever for that
by alucinor11
Unless you are Peter Jackson talking shit about himself for his own amusement, listen to yourself for five seconds and then tell me you don't sound like the dumbest mother fucker on the planet. Now the LOTR was poorly acted? Shit I suppose tomorrow you might think all of John Williams's music was overrated. The star wars theme? Jaws? Overrated nonsense, didn't contribute anything to film at all! I'm Kiwiguy and I deserve to be shat upon by 5 Korean hookers with dysentery.
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...but I got no idea how anyone can stretch such a simple story like King Kong to this length, without getting a bad film!
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Except for the overacting in LOTR, but otherwise PJ's career has been quite ordinary,,, This fucking move better have something else besides the ape going for it.
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Into a 2 hour movie with Pirates of the Caribbean but let me guess...All of you hate that movie too.
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It's girth that matters.
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Oct 27, 2005 8:05:18 AM CDT
I bet if you took the set of movies that are 3 hours long or lon
by fluffyunbound
...you would find that the 3 hour movies, on average, are better. Just an observation.
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The longer versions on DVD are better than the shorter ones, and certainly don't drag. If a movie is well done, then longer is better. Don't give a fluck about the LCD great unwashed with the MTV attention span. They aren't your audience. They're too busy illegially downloading movies and music to be a target customer. Ignore them.
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...they cut that scene with Kong, Ann, and Denham jumping up and down on the bed like a bunch of effeminate children, I'll be happy.
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I'm looking forward to this flick, and when i first read that it was gonna be 3 hours i thought "cool" but now I'm having doubts. So what did they add for filler? If the filler sucks the movie could suck. I'd say it should be a 2 1/2 hour movie at the most.
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Too long, too long.
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that all of you suckers shit at something you haven't even seen. Please dont tell me that a movie isn't allowed to last 3 hours if its good, bitches...
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What can they do for 3 HOURS?!?!?! I mean they go to an island, see some dinosaurs, take the monkey back, he rampages, he dies. How is there three hours in that?
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3 hours? not interested at all.
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cant be that difficult
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...to get to Kong, an hour engaging in Kong related shenanigans on the island and an hour in New York ending with a Kong related death. For such a slight story it just seems so much - unless we actually get something worthwhile to fill that time. Here's hoping...
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Ha! Tell that to his accountant. If you mean he is an ordinary guy with an extraordinary gift for filmmaking, I can see that. But a maker of ordinary films? Hardly.
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One is an unneeded rehash of a classic film that everyone's already seen and one has Vince Vaughn jerking off. And yes, Lord of the Rings was too long. When you make a movie 3 hours long and still manage to cut out the death scene of your second biggest bad guy, you need an editor.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:04:28 AM CDT
What kind of pervert was wondering about Kong's length?
by the funketeer
Aside from Harry I mean.
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I love all of PJ's movies, and think this will be great as well, but Jesus Christ, there's absolutely no need for this to be more than two hours max. It's a monkey and a girl and rampage in a city. The lengths of the LOTR moive were justified by teh scope and depth and implied history of the narrative (ten slow-mo hobbit love endings notwithstanding). This is just self-indulgent.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:07:37 AM CDT
Darth Twoface: if we all waited and judged then, what the fuck i
by realdoublej
People are allowed to vent their anxieties for film projects and face it, the longer the film is the more chance of something going wrong. Example, James Newton Howard has (x) amount of time to deliver a score for a 3 hour film and make it oscar-worthy....hmmmm....my spider-sense is tingling that he must be Musical Jesus to do that. It does seem odd that this version is going to be twice the length of the original...why??? all valid questions. It's not like people are immediately dismissing his work without a valid poi-...oh whoops, Kiwiguy lets me down *sigh*
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Oct 27, 2005 9:08:44 AM CDT
The extra hour is a flashback to Kong's tempestuous early ye
by cookylamoo
We see how the Tyranosausus teased Kong unmercilfully, beginning began their deep seeded rivalrty. We also meet Kong's abusive father who wanted him to become a rabbi, and his tragic mother, who left the family to pursue a career in the Russian Ballet.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:10:11 AM CDT
But, but... LotR DID have bad acting... and each film COULD have
by theginger twit
I HATE EVERY APE I SEE, FROM CHIM-PAN-'A' TO CHIM-PAN-'Z'
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Funny how it seems popular to bash Jackson now. A year ago he was untouchable. The worm has turned!! You talkbackers are a fickle bunch of shitwits aint ya??
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ok, so I've just decided to have a little play of Kong's dong and there he is throwing a Pringle can at me. Fair enough. Pringles somehow got them selves an add on the head pic of a computer game. yes Computer game. ahem. I'm indianna Jones and I've got to jump over attacking Pringle can's while Kong masterbates over in the corner. But I gotta give the pringles character a kiss and I'll get a point. OH! and if I don't jump a pringles can, I'll 'ooooff' and fall down, only to NEVER get back up because I'm being trampled by rolling Pringles cans. IN KING KONG'S JUNGLE!!! Oh sorry, you can get back up... but because you're constantly trying to jump back up and the little fallen dude takes his sweet arse time, because he's so fucking hurt by a fucking PRINGLES can that he really believes he'll stand a chance again KONG or one of his other giant forest friends. I'll be back soon, I'm gunna play some more.
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It's just not true to say that we don't have the attention span - hey! Check out that cool bug!
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I think it will hurt the box office, but the more Kong the better. I know I will enjoy every moment of those 3 hours. I usually hate most 3 hour movies, but I can deal with this one.
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how many of you have read the script? nobody, why are you bashing the movie without even knowing whats exactly happening, james newton howard is a genius, he should take his score for snow falling on cedars and voil
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It just might be too much Kong. I mean it is a PJ film so you know at least an hour is hitting the cutting room floor. OH wait! I know... When they get to the island we sit through 'Lost' style flashbacks about each character. Then when Kong gets stuck in NY he has his own detailed flashback story. Either that or he takes in a broadway show (that could fill out some time). I'm so there!
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and, in the game, I hear a bit off a TIE fighter in Kong's roar.
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Kong is not Tolkien, its a simple story. 3 hours is way too long to tell Kong. Insert Dinosaur chase here, Insert neat Special Effect here, Insert another Dinosaur chase etc.. etc.. etc..
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Remember couple years back (We're such fucking nerds) Comparing LotR to films like Star Wars was deemed a failed argument for reasons that they were not even in the same class. Thats our first admission that there is a problem with the LotR movies. Hey, they're cool but they ain't masterpieces. ok, some of you love them blindly. thats fine. I still love the first 6 star trek movies blindly. point is, Quint, if you seriously can't stop playing that game then you either got issues, or a life supply of Pringles. Oh and the 5 minute ride of POTC was turned into a film almost 3 hours, not 2. and yes it was TOO long.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:37:22 AM CDT
Variety is reporting that PJ paid the extra $32 million he went
by fluffyunbound
I guess Jackson thinks that the length is worth it.
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I have. Granted, it was probably an early draft but it's basically the same as the orginal with more dialogue but not many more scenes. Jackson's the master of stretching things out. It took him 11 hours to tell a story about a guy thowing a ring into a volcano. Yes the novel was big but in Tolkien, describing a hill could take 3 pages. You think it took a long time for 006 to die in FOTR, I can't imagine how long Kong's demise will be. And then we have the Special Edition Director's No Concept of Editing cut. Maybe there will be an intermission.
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....until the Super Special Happy I Hope You Have a Day or Two Director's Cut. Jackson likes to leave out little details like the death of a major character for the special edition DVD.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:55:45 AM CDT
The third hour is about King Kong going to Hong Kong to play pin
by atticus finch
and all you PJ monkeys will lap it up.
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It was pretty obvious from the get go that Peter was making a fucking epic movie. Just check the length of the principal photography shoot. You don't shoot for that long for a 2 hour pic. And I have a lot of faith in this decision. People looking at Kong and saying that it's just gonna be a big ape flick or monster movie are way wrong. It's more like an epic on Titanic's scale. In fact, it seems that Universal are pushing it to be the next Titanic (they just want the fucking $1 billion BO takings!). Because Kong publicity hasn't been rammed down your simple throats you just can't see what this movie is. Some people here have to see the fucking one-sheet before they even want to accept that a movie exists. Go suck a cock somewhere. Peter is gonna own everyone's asshole this December, mark my words, mofos!
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...except for Fellowship. The extra scenes made the last hour of the first film flow better, and especially the cave troll scene made more sense, but the new stuff in TT and ROTK was extraneous, redundant and sometimes downright clunky. They even drained some of the suspense out of the films. Special Editions almost never work. If a scene CAN be cut out that means it never belonged in the first place.
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I just got back from seeing Doom (yeah I know, serves me right), and tacked on to the first reel of the feature was a new version Kong trailer that followed the same basic structure but substituted a bunch of new FX stuff - and had the new 'grumpy' Kong at the end. Is this out everywhere (I'm from Sydney Australia) or online yet?
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Is it a scene from the movie? Since it's PJ, it will probably be shot entirely from helicopter.
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Why not come up with a AICN/Kong promo jingle?
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Oct 27, 2005 10:38:48 AM CDT
Kong is 3 hours long and they STILL cut Christopher Lee's sc
by 1908lol
And if you take away the endings, Kong's running time is a cool 75 minutes.
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If Cameron focused solely on the Titanic sinking, his flick would have been a bust. But adding a fictional storyline created a full movie. Here, Jackson is obviously adding padding to a story that does not need it.
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Oct 27, 2005 10:58:21 AM CDT
Yeah, Jackson is spending millions of his own money to make this
by rupee88
You can't fault the guy for his passion and for putting his money where his mouth is. Sure he's probably worth well over $100 million (or maybe 2x or 3x that), but it's still a strong statement to spend $10 million or $20 million of your own money to stay true to your vision of the film. This is further proof that there was no better person to make this film than Jackson. I am not even a big fan of the LOTR movies (they're OK), but I can't wait for Kong.
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Box office is now just a promo for the more lucrative DVD/video release. Besides, Jackson is finacing most of the extra $32m himself.
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Oct 27, 2005 11:04:06 AM CDT
If I Reach Hour 2 With No Godzookie, I'm Outta There.
by www.valiens.com
Well at least we can't say Peter Jackson isn't gonna be allowed to fullfill his entire vision for this movie. If it stinks it's because it's shit. Either way you people who say it's not going to be a giant financial success are out of your fucking minds. Bring on Rodan!
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So does this mean the special edition DVD gonna be 5 hrs long come in with a special steel bar case.
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I have a feeling that this would be a much better film if it was released in February. From what I've read, everyone is working non-stop to get it finished. I know that is common, but with Kong, I worry that Jackson may have bitten off more than his crew can chew before December. Hopefully, they will just keep adding more and more bodies to the team and get ahead of the curve and the film won't suffer because it it.
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So how long before Quint hears the news about Stephen King's Dark Tower graphic novel for Marvel gushes over it here?
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...the level of hate towards this film amazes me. It seems that the LOTR haters are eager to get their hands on a stick to beat Peter Jackson with. Maybe you'll get your chance. This movie could still go badly wrong, but it will have nothing to do with how long it is, and everything to do with the character of Kong himself. If Kong sucks, so does the movie. If they get Kong right, it will rule all.
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i think Jackson could squeeze at least another 6 or 7 hours out of "Giant Monkey Steals Girl Climbs Building and Dies." why not right? just have a bunch of digressions like, i don't know, Jack Black does something outrageously wacky or um i don't know. something totally unnecessary and pointless. if this film arrives at anything less then 12 hours long, i'm gonna be really upset. the story of "Giant Monkey Kidnaps Girl Climbs Building and Dies" cannot possibly be contained in anything less than 10-15 hours of film. preferably, we will all be camping out in the theatre for weeks or months as Donkey Kong steals our hearts with his hamfisted pathos and such.
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Oct 27, 2005 11:34:05 AM CDT
I can't believe that the LOTR films even need to be defended
by mortsleam
But here goes: they are not, in any way, too long. Sure, some scenes could have been trimmed or cut entirely (warg cliff diving), but others needed to be expanded upon and still others added (scouring of the Shire). The SEVs went a long way to mending the problems, but they also created others. Let's face facts, everybody: these are not perfect films. There probably isn't a perfect film. Even Citizen Kane and Godfather have problems. King Kong will almost certainly be too long, and PJ & Co. will have added some thing that didn't need to be added, and take away things that needed to be there, but all in all, it will still probably be a great, fun ride.
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Oct 27, 2005 11:39:39 AM CDT
Btw, LOTR Actually Had A Reason To Be As Long As It Was... King
by zombiesolutions
LOTR is a massive book with tons and tons of detail. it would have been impossible to do the entire story (and do that story justice) without it being over 12 hours long. _____ King Kong, on the other hand, could easily be done in under 2 hours. 3 hours though? thats some serious effing padding. i have absolutely no desire to see this remake of a remake. i don't care how talented Jackson and WETA are, KONG is effing BORING.
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Maybe! I've been nothing shy of a cheerleader and complete believer in this film...from the original proposition in 1996 (a fun script, but very light) to the film finally coming out. And I LOATHE the remake trend, though, this film is, with no doubt, being made for more pure reason's, and Jackson's love of the material is stronger, by far, than most of the people working on lesser remakes!However, this is the second issue to make me pause my enthusiasm...the original is about half as long as this, and it paces perfectly to the end, no fat at all! Not knowing Jackson's direction for the remake, I can only assume we will see deeper characters with more time spent on their struggles, perhaps more time in NY before thay depart for Skull island. But it's PJ's vision, I for one, trust it. The other pause, the cutting lose of Howard Shore, and the VERY short amount of time James Newton Howard has to compose and conduct a fantastic score for a movie that desereves, at the very least, a good year for this prep and final scoring. This kind of thing has happened to often to composers in the last few years, it is worrysome. No matter how good a score JNH does in a month and a half, it's not as good as what he or HS would do in 6 or more! The final score for Troy was mediocre at best, compared to Gabriel Yared's (s?), but Troy wasn't that great nor classic...King Kong HAS to have, no less thatn a GREAT score, and certainly deserves it! Regardless, This is my most anticipated movie this year, or for the last 2 years!
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"Isn't it great that we live in a world where we get a 3 hour long monster movie..."
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Always bugs me when short attention span types bitch about the multiple endings in ROTK. Every scene there is essential and it's part of the freakin' story. The movie cannot end when the ring was destroyed. The heroes needed the obligatory rewarding scene and wedding scene, both tried and true conventions in tragicomedy (in the Shakespearean sense). And further, the whole point at the end was to show the aftermath of war and how it forever changes people. Showing the Hobbits at the end as sadder and wiser fits completely as a bookend to the innocent opening. And if you've read the books, ROTK had a whole OTHER ending - the Scouring of the Shire, which could have been another hour with hobbits vs. shady men and Saruman and a Shire revolution led by the main characters. So Jackson was quite economical with how he chose to end the movie. Best Picture. Period. Stop whining.
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What the hell is wrong with you
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WAH!! The movie's 3 hours long WAH!! .... 3 hours means "epic", 3 hours means there's about 1.5 minutes of Peter Jackson inventing his own stuff for it, so it won't just be a by-the-numbers remake. Looking forward to this even more.
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Cut the warg cliff diving scene?!! The whole movie revolves around that scene! In fact, it's one of the critical scenes that evokes the entire back history of Sauron's warg genetic plan as originally conceived by Morgoth. And...and...Aragorn HAD his damned sword when he fell!! Heh, jist funnin' ya mellon. I dunno, I can think of plenty reasons why Kong should come in at three hours but then I'm just a shamless Jackson sycophant anyway, right? **Battuta, I'm just the opposite; I thought Two Towers was best served by the extended edition and I felt it helped the entire flow of the film. I thought Fellowship, and especially RoTK, needed the extended treatment the least and the additions were mostly extraneous. I still loved the added stuff, Galadriels gifts, etc. but thought some of the RoTK additions were horrible. Gimli's drinking game with Legolas comes to mind. Eh, it was kinda fun but only further added to the poor Dwarves buffoonish image.
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ugh... where's my coffee...
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Are Peter Tork and Davey Jones in it? If not it's going to suck. But seriously, 3-hours of a big ape breaking shit? Um... no thanks. I'm sure it will be full of hot, steamy, PJ goodness, but my colon and I will wait for the DVD, thanks. And ROTK did have too many endings, but when you're wrapping up a 3 film 10-hour epic, it's okay to be mildly indulgant.
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and that's that.
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...rename this site "Ain't It Kong? News".
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First go on that game. I am Satan. Behold my wrath you foul mouthed infidels.
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This remake is now all but dead to me. Today's self-indulgent filmmakers seem to have forgotten the simple art of a nice, tight film. I like them under two and a half hours. I loved the first two LOTRs but people are right about the third one. It disappeared up its own arse with all that slow, simpering Elijah Wood narration. "My deeeeeeear Tham. You have to go oooooon, and to do, and to live." CRAP.
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But maybe half of the movie will be pure Jurassic Park.
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You would think with ticket prices & refreshments costing around $20 per person, people would be happy to get more bang for their buck. If the movie is to long for your pre-school attention spans, stay the fuck home & watch Surface on NBC.
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Oct 27, 2005 1:05:34 PM CDT
Three hour movies I have known and pissed my pants in
by nairbnyllednavkr
All David Lean. Damned Orangina.
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Oct 27, 2005 1:10:51 PM CDT
Further proof that "Hackson" is losing it. The only similarity
by the_lion
That Hackson is now very similar to the captain of the Titanic, watching his oversized ship go down. How long before the delusional fanboys starting jumping ship?
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Three hours? Are they insane? For one, I'm not seeing this piece of shit. And also, who the fuck else will? This is gonna fucking lose quite a bit of money and hopefully Jackson's 15 minutes of fame will finally end.
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Kong-a gonna suck, no Hayden Christiansen, no Watto, no Jar Jar. Deesa be a beeeeg disastah.
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The news about Howard Shore leaving, and the push tio complete this thing to deadline with a whole new score, I'm holding my breath and biting my nails, and now this??!! THREE HOURS???!!! It sounds insane!! But I love it!! FANTASTIC NEWS!! Go Peter, putting your money where your mouth is, you proved the naysayers wrong three times already, can't wait to see the film you have always dreamed of making, even if ya die trying!!! tick ... tick ... tick ...
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Hey, I've been enjoying films by Peter Jackson and Sam Raimi for years. Now the once underdog horror directors are giving washed up hacks like Spielberg and Lucas a run for their money, and you want them to fail? Did you fucking watch The Terminal or the SW prequels? Is that the kind of filmmaking you really want?!
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Meesa and yiff yiff be vewy good fwiends. Meesa also glad to see Jackson fame die-die-die like sad Padme. So sowwy silly, noobody gonna watch dumb Kong, save money for Episode 3. Bye Bye, it's a pleasure to meet you.
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Oct 27, 2005 1:37:48 PM CDT
Exhibitors given footage screening "Wow it was like watching Jur
by theginger twit
So, can anyone interpret that because I sure as hell can't
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Oct 27, 2005 1:40:58 PM CDT
Part of the running time could be due to long drawn-out slow-mot
by 1908lol
not to mention all the long, drawn-out slo-motion shots of the main characters making pained expressions whilst being poked with various weapons and insect parts. Seriously, speed those up and get rid of the extra endings, and you've got youself a running time shorter than the average Pixar movie.
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I never thought I'd hear movie fans bitching about longer running times.Just remember - when we get an 85-minute Watchmen, it's YOUR FAULT.
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They hire their cronies for exhorbitant amounts of money and basically milk the financiers so that a personal few friends can get exceedingly wealthy. How else does a fricking movie cost over $200 million to make? Dick Cheney has nothing on Peter Jackson.
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You have to dodge fucking Pringles?! I guess it takes away from the people who will scream Donkey Kong rip off. But is this why Kong will take up 3 hours? Because he's going to be throwing around his Pringle Containers while the hero just stands there and does nothing but move out of the way and jump? Why am I here?
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You're a cunt.
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Oct 27, 2005 1:56:59 PM CDT
Hell, I wish they'd make ALL the Harry Potter movies 3+ hour
by minderbinder
As long as the movie has enough good material to support it, I don't care how long the fucking movie is. Normally I'd be worried, but when the director already agreed to make the film shorter, and the studio execs are begging him to spend more money and put even more in there...that has to sound like a good sign. At this point the only thing I'm worried about is the score.
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Oct 27, 2005 1:57:11 PM CDT
OK three hours is a good length, it really justifies the price o
by doc_strange
We all know what happens in the end unless PJ somehow has Kong survive the fall but I don't see it happening unless he's Vegetable Kong after the fall. That's the other thing, no potential for a sequel unless Kong somehow impregnated another big ape that we didn't see in the first movie. One more thing, FUCK YOU cyanide
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...you've been reading too much filth by Syd Field. Three-act structure? A lot of elbow room for creativity there. Polanski, Antonioni, Lean, and Bertolucci would love a few hours in alone in a room with you, you narrow minded come-balloon. And learn to use the spell-check, goddamn your blood.
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...mainly because Sean Bean fucking ruled as Boromir and twas'a shame the character got twatted so early on. But that's literature for ya.
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Huge "Titanic" sized movie we got on our hands, folks. If you actually like movies, you will be excited for this. Petey screened this for the execs at Univesal and they absolutely loved it, giving him reign on not cutting anything. I don't know what that says..but, sounds good, right?
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Get a fucking editor, Jackson. Stop being in love with your own goddamn material.
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I mean, for half of you here, you felt comfortable, but it came as a shock to the system for me
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American guy goes to europe, the eurpoean he visits knows he likes music so takes him to a Wagner opera. The guy says he liked it, but keeps complaining about the length. The other guy's response: "But I thought you said you LIKED music?"
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I just couldn't resist
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Wait . . . nevermind.
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who doesnt want three hours of quality film making...story telling....characters etc etc? what is the problem with three hours? it means we get more invested in the characters...we get more story...it isn't going to be an overbloated CG fest...althought it obviously will be filled with CG at least it will be CG used to help further the story....not be the story....
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Oct 27, 2005 3:11:46 PM CDT
I JUST GOT FIRST PLACE ON THE GAME WITH 424,325 POINTS!!!
by spikebad666
See if you can beat that Herc!
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Oct 27, 2005 3:22:11 PM CDT
Not an overbloated CGI fest? Not an overbloated CGI fest?
by citizen arcane
The whole reason this movie was made is CGI. What else is brought to the table that trumps the last 3 versions? This film is the definition of an overbloated CGI fest. As for Boromir's hour long death scene, I think the length of the death scenes of major characters could have been better delegated in LOTR. Boromir 20 minutes, Sauroman 0 seconds. The way I see it, Kong's death will either take a full hour or will just be hinted at.
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I would assume the extra length is a combination of action scenes and probably some dialogue/character stuff as well. I don't have a problem with either as long as it's done well. What's the problem with an action heavy fiilm having more action? Would you have complained if Jurassic Park had more dinosaur scenes?
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Oct 27, 2005 3:35:10 PM CDT
Does!!!! This!!!! Website!!!!!!! Ever HAVE!!!!! "News" !!!!!! IT
by incrediburgible
God it's so fucking tiresome. Look at that homepage. Every goddamn scrap of trivial boo-shit is shouting at the top of its lungs. Everything gets a Blue Light! Everything's important! Everything is equally Urgent!!!! Hey!!!! I'M SHOUTING!!!! CONTSTANTLY!!!!!!!!! HEAR YE!!! HEAR YE!!!!!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! (huff! huff!) = Idiotic
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Who is the GREATEST and why???
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Oct 27, 2005 3:41:31 PM CDT
the execs aren't completely happy with the length, otherwise
by realdoublej
Come on now, bless PJ for sticking to his creative drive on this with his own big pockets, but don't give pro-kong bull that everything coming out of this project is smelling roses. We have FX guys and editors shitting themselves over deadlines and they're still revising parts of the film (the meaner looking Kong) quite close to the deadline. It's impossible to debate Kong because there hasn't been a screening of the final print/product/The Goods. Only then will PJ know if he's right...or he'll have a Spielberg-Hook style breakdown afterwards. Also, how can you compare his work with LoTR and what to expect with Kong? Literary adaptations have to be completely faithful or at least keep the tone to what has to be cut for time. With Kong, no one expects a frame-for-frame remake. Gus Van Sant proved that was pretty useless. Left to PJ's own imagination to fill in the dots.....maybe this is my pessimistic worrywart-like mind but I REALLY can't get the idea of a kung-fu priest showing up out of my head. Or why do these characters need so much backstory? We've know this story for over 70 years. Guy needs girl to capture big fat ape. Big Fat Ape loves girl and falls off a building. Girl realises that man is far crueller than nature in how it treats others. How do you add to that message? Make it more emotional? Once more with feeling?? If i's a case of padding dialogue for the actors then as a Jack Black fan, 'Woot!' some more inane catchphrases for me to steal. I just have to weigh it up with a lot of shots of Adrien Brody looking like a piece of wood trying very hard to emote....but looks constipated.
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Oct 27, 2005 3:54:44 PM CDT
Good point. But it needs more EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by incrediburgible
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Who is the GREATEST and why???
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I might think this movie is unecessary exept from an FX guy's point of view but it's not because of the length or anything a studio suit had to say. Studio executives should shut up and give money to the talent like good monkeys.
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It's an hour... ooover looooong.... I guess you've finallllly made a monkeeey... (Backup Chorus: Yeeees we've finallly made a monkeeey)... I guess you've fiiinalllyyy... made aaaa... monkeeey... out... offff.... Meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!
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Oct 27, 2005 4:21:21 PM CDT
Come on, Isaac's version of that song was definitive
by seppukudkurosawa
"So the guy...bought some cheese...which he forgot to put in the fridge...and ended up throwing away...and went for a walk...to find his love...good love...he still had a hankering for cheese...someone once told him there was cheese in Phoenix...good cheese...hey, I also star in Blaxploitation movies too...Did Barry White ever do that...err the guy was walking...to Phoenix...his baby done left him".
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Oct 27, 2005 4:23:58 PM CDT
and you're talking shit Goat calling Isaac's version of
by seppukudkurosawa
it was more like 16. As far as the above talkback goes- it says more about the attention span of the talkbackers than it does the length of the film.
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Oct 27, 2005 4:38:12 PM CDT
3 hours stting still? Try 13 hours in a row, you monkey-lovers
by ol' painless
13 hours is the flight-time from LA to Christchurch, NZ, which is what I endured a few days ago. My bum cheeks got so numb, I had to ask the airline hostess to slap them (for purposes of blood circulation and nothing else, I hasten to add). In circumstances like this, you start to pray for 3 hour long movies, believe me. In fact, by hour 11, I had started to praying to a new set of gods I had made up in my head just to pass the time. Anyone who wants to join my new imaginary religion based on the psychotic psi-fi musings of a paraniod money-grubbing asshole, (thats right: I'm going after Scientology's current membership) send all your money now to me, along with someone who likes slapping numb buttocks.
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The directors I listed...SPIELBERG, CAMERON, JACKSON, LUCAS and SHYAMALAN are some of the most ambitious, greatest and most commercial directors working today. Storytellers that draw a mass audience!!! Your list is good too but...
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Now feel the power of the internet!
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Now feel the power of the internet!
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Have any of you cocksuckers stopped to think that maybe, just MAYBE there will be more to the story than just a giant ape falling in love with a hot blond then being dragged to civilization where he dies a tragic death? That maybe a little thing called CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT might come into play? I can
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I've loved this movie since I was six; but the TNT colorized version convinced me that the best part of the story is the utter shock of what Carl and crew discover on Skull Island. From the quicktimes, PJ's made it clear that the Skull Island segment has the most love and effort; that's fine by me. For this movie to work, I really want to see Kong bond with Anne, and then Jack fight to convince Anne that she's safer with Carl and crew. Anne should be just as sad to leave Skull Island as Kong is.
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Incrediburgible,educated writers who use proper punctuation and grammar work for real newspapers and websites. Thirty year olds living in their parents' basement who never get laid, spend 23 hours a day on the internet and never graduated 7th grade english work at AICN and use exclamation points. Hope that helps.
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Turns out, the LOTR trliogy was only around six hours long total. Jackson used so much slow motion that it dragged it down to twelve hours. I thought I was watching LOTR by way of John Woo. Its ironic, the only part that didn't get dragged down by his over abundance of slo-mo was the multiple endings in ROTK. which for the record, were necessary and very well done considering. Kong is probably only a 90 min. movie...see where I'm going here.
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Speilberg has never done much for me. I liked Close Encounters and Jaws. But E.T. was garbage. Cameron = PLEEZE!! Who gives a shit. Jackson is to be commended for doing the impossible (doing screen justice to the "unfilmable" LOTR) and Lucas hasn't been ambitious OR creative in decades. And SHYAMALAN is OVER WITH. Jesus. 'Unbreakable' was great. 'Sixth Sense' was ham-fisted and irritating as hell, as were his last two. 'Signs' was good for about as long as it took that alien to appear in that doorway... and 'The Village' was just grinding boredom and predictability and contrivance that telegraphed it's ending in the first frames of the film. Get a new gimmick already. - - - - - 'A History Of Violence' is the best film I've seen in a long long time. Fuck all.
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Oct 27, 2005 5:35:42 PM CDT
Anyone can list their top directors. How about the bottom five?
by akira'scrow
Bay, (I should just repeat his name five times but there's too much pain to go around) Harlin, Sommers, Anderson, and Coen (Rob, not the bros.) I know Boll is missing, but I have yet to see one of his films. Also, I contemplated putting Ratner instead of Coen, but Ratner didn't make XXX. nuff said.
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Oct 27, 2005 5:38:20 PM CDT
People are going to flock to see a bloated 3 hour movie this Xma
by acroyear77
If this movie is rumored to have cost $207 million to make, does anyone seriously see it making 3X that, let alone 2X?
With the price of oil and hurricanes and the current lacklustre box office sales, can Kong seriously pull in at least $300 million domestically?
Is the American public clamoring to shell out $$ to see another lengthy, "epic" movie?
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I know that bias is a matter of course here, but the constant drumbeat of Harry and everyone else worshipping at the altar of Peter Jackson is downright pathetic. Nothing the man does is ever wrong. Everything is genius. Let's be frank, whatever you think of LOTR, Peter Jackson's greatest two talents have been 1) picking material that will succeed despite even his worst mistakes and 2) seducing film critics & geeks with unprecedented levels of access through the new available media. That's why, if you only read Harry or Quint's opinions, it seems like the man defecates candy.
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Not creative? I know it's trendy to hate on Lucas but I find it hard to believe people on this site don't find what Lucas has done creative yet insist on being apologists for Jackson for rehashing Kong once again, his only selling point being the very technology Lucas and ILM created.
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Oct 27, 2005 5:52:20 PM CDT
I Pass The Time At Long Movies By Mentally Editing Them.
by flim springfield
I'd love to see the three LOTR movies edited down to a single 3 hour movie. Sorry, Liv Tyler fans!
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I think she made a fine Glorfindel.
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Then stop the release. Titanic was and still is the worst film of all time. Pearl Harbour a very close 2nd. It will make money at the box office but 3 hours is ridiculous.
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wahhhhhhh weep 3 hours to long wahhhhh sob wahhhh me want mommy wahhh please make movie exacly how i want it sob wahhhh me want blanky i hate every movie wahhhhh i write on this forum even though I hate this website and everything they praise wahhhhh ba ba me want ba ba
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So it's too much Kong or not enough?
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Lucas stopped being creative in 1980. Everything else has just been facile technical refinement, and novelty for novelty's sake, endless burnishing of a 25 year old turd, er... I mean... golden egg (Star Wars). Go back even further to find his truly creative work (THX, American Grafitti). By contrast everything else has been razzle dazzle, regurgitation and nostalgia mongering (that goes for Indy AND the idiotic prequels)
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with all these constant allusions to Speilberg and Lucas, plus calling Titanic the worst film of all time. The worst film of all time is some DV Snuff Movie you've never heard of, whose plot is about two student-types who have just killed a person (a sub-Guy Fawkes dummy), and spend the rest of the movie talking about why they did it. Ironic references are made to Hitchcock's Rope and the film starts off with a Confucious quote that in no way relates to the movie, something like: "When trees shed their leaves they are ridding themselves of the burdens of a thousand generations, and when, the the next season, they regain said leaves they are assuming the form of the Universe's nethers". The film ends with the Digital camera being thrown off a cliff a la Slacker. THIS is the worst film ever made; to say something like Titanic is the worst film, just because it was seen by so many people, is just some agit-prop, half-cooked bullshit. Just as saying ET is the best film of all time shows narrow cultural margins. Think outside of those top ten grossing films of all time for your reference points film-geeks. If you really are a film-geek, I thought a film-geek was supposed to be vaguely knowledgable about...films.
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Oct 27, 2005 6:51:12 PM CDT
I wouldn't say Titanic was the worst film of all time.
by incrediburgible
I will say that I hated Titanic and to this day resent the way its putrid brackish waters seeped into the entire culture for well over a year or so, with that goddamned Celine Dion song polluting the very air that I breath. Worst film of all time? Of course not. But it did suck diseased donkey balls the entire time it was taking up space in the media, and to this day, in these talkbacks. Fucking TITANIC. Fuck that shit. Fuck Shreck too. Fuck it all to hell.
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Kubrick, baby. cause his films are like paintings brought to life. because of his cold, clearview of the trials and travails of this virus we call the human race. because he somehow made films that were simultaneously completely objective and also a comprised a singular uncompromising vision. in short, because he was a genius. that's why he can make 3 hour epics you never want to end -- he was brilliant. Jackson? not so much. i think Jackson is talented and all, and i loved LOTR, but his talent is vaguely analgous to Lucas back in the day. with this in mind, there is no good goddamn reason to make KONG 3 hours long. it should be 2 hours at the maximum. i smell a snoozer... and a potential bomb. less is more, Peter, less is more...
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Will Harry buy it and love it? It's KONG, so very yes!
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Oct 27, 2005 7:10:23 PM CDT
Honestly- What Can Be Added To The Original To Add An Extra 80 M
by flim springfield
I have a feeling it's mostly chase scenes...
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Oct 27, 2005 7:13:30 PM CDT
Not to make a crass comparison, but I wager it'll be similar
by terry_1978
Where it took them about an hour or so to get to anything remotely mythical and otherwordly, and spent the first hour bantering back and forth during the trip.
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Actually I WAS a bit harsh on LOTR - there was one really great thing, which was Howard Shore's score. And I'm delighted that he'll be scoring Kong.
Oh hang on... he won't?
Another brilliant Jackson decision.
I suspect people who think three hour films are automatically good are the same clowns who thought Quentin Tarantino was a genius for turning eighty minute telemovies into 2+ marathons. It's the more-is-better-I'll-have-a-supersized-fries-with-that approach which is partly the reason why your country is so full of lardarses (like Jackson himself). -
I have a feeling its actual character development, but we wouldn't want that at all would we?
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he is SOOOOO fat man, hoh my god, lets make fun of him, hahahahaa
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Oct 27, 2005 7:46:57 PM CDT
I think it should be called King Kong: Electric Boogaloo starrin
by saracen
"Watcha gonna dooooooo when I fling my poo at youuuuuuuu, Brother!"
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Go get your velour "The Art of the Making of the Behind the Scenes DVD of the LOTR trilogy script" box set and ROTK 2007 calendar and your special thank-you in the credits for your fanboy love and say hi to Jackson for me will you? Good to see 20 weeks at film school refined those critical faculties to razor sharpness.
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Have you taken a gander his way recently, if he's a lardarse that makes Naomi Watts the real King Kong.
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Yep, Jackson's the master at character development, I grant that. Let's see, we had ten hours of LOTR and, hmmmm, well, actually, now that I think about it, no actual character development that I could see. Oh hang on, no, the Vulcan became mates with the dwarf. The king guy combed his hair and got married. The wizard changed his cloak to white. Subtle stuff. Mind you, what can you expect when you adapt such a over-wrought, reactionary load of tosh.
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Yes, it's three hours, but you missed the most telling part of this story. The extra runtime adds 32 million to the budget. PJ, in his infinite coolness, has decided to pay that 32 million out of his own pocket, because he believes in this 3 hour cut of the film. THAT'S the real story.
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right now oddmakers r taking the over on the "3.5 flyovers per every five minutes" line.
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Why don
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What, nachokoolaid, because Jackson's such an AUTEUR????
More likely because the Oscar went straight to his furry head and he thinks he's a GENIOOS who can do no cinematic wrong.
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they could have replaced him with a cg monkey and it would have much more realistic emotion than that guy. good job lucas. you moron
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Hey, call it what you want, but he's shilling out 32 million of his own cash, with no promises or stipultions to get it back in any way. That's cool, in my book. Sure he's rich, but that would be like a middle class citizen paying up like $50,000 for something, with no promise to get it back. Would you do it?
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are we even talking about star wars moron?
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it is painfully obvious that your rants are that of insane jealousy.
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Everything comes back to Star Wars.. .
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check out the top ten films of all time world wide.....4 of the top ten are three hours plus? and they came out in the past 7 years....so this whole no one will see 3 hour movie argumaent is crap.........as long as the film is good people don't care...so everyone lets try something crazy...hear me out...why don't people wait until they have seen the film and then judge it. I know that is insane but lets try it. and all those cool guys who come to every kong thread to make awesome jokes like "peter Hackson" and show us how cool they are by letting everyone know that they aren't going to see it ..why don't you all fuck off. if the film is of no interest to you why do you continue to click on the link and read every story about it. see I aint interested in seeing the weather man..but i don't go over there to the story relating to it to let everyone one know that. because i am secure within myself...unlike you insecure wankers that continue to come here and abuse jackson. I don't give a fuck that you are not going to see it and I don't think anyone else cares either. you are not cool. you are on the aicn message boards. nothing can make you cool. I'm not and I am happy about that....now please. go away
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painful, slappy? where does it hurt? your brain? try amputation. unlikely to affect your intellectual performance.
let's see... are my criticisms of Jackson's films (which no one has actually been able to gainsay) the product of 1. the insane jealousy of a wannabe filmmaker (I assume that's what you meant) or 2. the deluded rantings of a wannabe scriptwriter or 3. the whingeing of one of only two NZ actors who didn't get a gig in LOTR or 4. the doodlings of someone who enjoys trolling Yank fanboys whose inarticulacy is only matched by their lack of knowledge of films older then ten years?
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Okay there are two possibilities:
A: the ship with Kong on it will hit an ice-berg on the way back from Skull Island and Kong may not even reach New York.
B: the relationship between Kong and Ann may actually work out this time and the film will turn into a wacky romantic comedy at the halfway point. Jack Black is in it after all.
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Oct 27, 2005 9:15:16 PM CDT
Over budget, over the set runtime, cutting ties with the compose
by alwaysthere
The newly slim PJ sure is on a tear.
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I know I'm gonna take a lot of shit for this one, but John Williams entire Star Wars soundtrack completely bit off of Holst's "The Planets". Take a listen. Can't be denied...
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I HATE EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE AND EVERY MOVIE THAT WILL EVER BEEN MADE. HATE HATE HATE. AND I WILL GO ON ANNOUNCING MY HATE UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS HOW MUCH I HATE. AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME ARE HATERS.
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Peter Jackson is just so good at being able to put so much into a movie, and able to make you feel like you've only been there for a hour, not three. I loved how ROTK was 3 hours, I loved it even better when it became 4 hours on the extended edition, which also makes me wonder if there will be a 4 hour extended edition of Kong, which would also be very cool. Peter Jackson is a rising star in the directorial world, and now he'll probably be known for making long movies, but thats not bad thing, because hes also known for making great movies as well. Awsome, just awsome, there'll probably be a 15 minute seen just full of Kong running around and smashing cars in New York city.
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Talkbacks are the only places that geeks can let all that built up anger of theirs out. Since most of them are too scared shitless to say anything or make a stand to a persons face if they insult them. Go punch a pillow or something. Or let them bitch, doesn't really bother me. But I will ask of them this. Whats the problem with a 3 hour movie that you already know the ending to? Better than THREE WHOLE MOVIES that you already know the ending to, A.K.A. Star Wars Prequels. Its not like anyone was saying "Oh my GOSH! Anakin was DARTH VADER this whole time! I did not know that. And the Empire wins! Golly Gee! I think I'll go see the movie fifteen more times today to clarify it all."
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I am kicking ass at this game.
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Oct 27, 2005 10:12:22 PM CDT
"Have any of you cocksuckers stopped to think that maybe, just M
by performingmonkey
No, because we are in the MTV Pokemon generation where people are only interested in the cumshot rather than the story. Perhaps putting the words 'Pokemon' and 'cumshot' in a sentence is the definition of wrong but...hey. Stop whining you sad pathetic fucks. Titanic was 3 hours. Look at it's success. A lot of people saw it and didn't complain. Sure, some of those people were women (and men) getting wet over Leo, but they still saw the motherfucker. The first two LOTR flicks were 2hr45min and ROTK was a half hour longer. There is no problem with the length of ROTK, but suddenly it became an issue thanks to the constant jibes over the 'multiple' endings crap. Sometimes I wish Peter had just ended it at Mount Doom and given us the rest on the DVD, but that would have been short-changing everyone, including the actors. The extra length didn't harm the fucking box office. Kong's length won't harm the box office. Kong has a built-in audience - people who want to see a fucking great movie. It is THE essential movie of the year. War of the Worlds was a fucking disappointment, and the less said about Revenge of the Sith the better. Batman Begins crapped all over them and is the best movie of the year so far in my totally honest view. Goblet of Fire is another essential movie, if you are a Potter fan or not. Potter and Kong are the only movies everyone has to see. Narnia is looking increasingly like fluff, with the new trailer not impressing me at all. The new PG-13 Potter will piss all over it. Ralph Fiennes's performance as Voldemort could go down in the history of great villains, alongside the Emperor (until they fucked him up in ROTS). By all accounts he frightened the adults, let alone the kids. Anyway, Kong is the epic of 2005. Give Peter his Oscar now.
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just kidding, ok maybe not
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Oct 27, 2005 10:31:21 PM CDT
performingmonkey, there are so many things wrong with what you s
by citizen arcane
I'm convinced that your post was in fact a Perl script designed to create the most incorrect opinions on film, given the fact that no human could possibly be wrong on so many levels.
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Oct 27, 2005 10:37:33 PM CDT
Did anyone else think that the headline was referring to Kong
by vim fuego
What about the girth for Glaven out loud?
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FUCK THE HATERS!!! Star Wars will live on long after all you guys are dead. Truth.
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Ever heard of a double entendre??
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Yes, Star Wars will live long after we are all dead, but the Prequels will only live on in infamy. Truth. As far as Peter Jackson is concerned, his filmography is really not that strong. The Lord of the Rings trilogy is pretty good, and I want King Kong to be great, but changing the composer and Kong's look so late in the game are not good signs. We could be in for 3 hours of mediocrity. J.R.R. Tolkien wrote a masterwork with a lot of plot threads and backround, I don't think King Kong's story supports a 3 hour running time.
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is going to be either Titanic or Ishtar, I haven't decided which yet. But I know I am going to see it and that most of my friends have said they are going to see it without me even asking. So I think ya'll need to be prepared for the first scenario. And if it makes Titanic like money - the budget means nothing. It just means that PJ directed another hit. If it fails - he takes a hit. But let's get real, the fact that so much of the talkbacks have something to do with him in one way or another, even the talkbacks that really should have nothing to do with him, means that people are talking about him and talking about his films. How many artists of any kind do you know of that don't want ANYBODY to pay attention to their art. What we think and say about PJ at this point means nothing. He has saturated the mainstream. He IS mass media. And he obviously loves it. So, at this point, I will not comment on PJ again for at least the next ten years. lol.
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Just thought I'd chime in since people care what you think and all. :)
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Thanks for pointing that out for me. I feel so foolish. The best double I ever heard was on "the thin blue line": "Your cock up; My arse." Genius.
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Thanks for pointing that out for me. I feel so foolish. The best double I ever heard was on "the thin blue line": "Your cock up; My arse." Genius.
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Thanks for pointing that out for me. I feel so foolish. The best double I ever heard was on "the thin blue line": "Your cock up; My arse." Genius.
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Thanks for pointing that out for me. I feel so foolish. The best double I ever heard was on "the thin blue line": "Your cock up; My arse." Genius.
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Oct 28, 2005 12:26:15 AM CDT
"lucas hasn't been creative OR ambitious in decades" AH HAHA
by theginger twit
Yeah whatever.
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Hahaha! Ass.....call me my sex kitten.
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King Kong, has just had the director, Peter Jackson, dig out some small change from the cracks of his limo seat to 'make' the film an hour longer. What this means is that he is actually 'padding' out the film. I'll tell you why Lucas, Speilberg and Cameron are in a league beyond Jackson. When they make cuts to their films, they cut whole plots. not scenes, but plots - froma structured story. Thats why their films work both in Theatrical or directors cut form. Jackson doesn't do this. He just cuts scenes, and trims current scene lengths - leading to patchy poxy editing. I don't like being a Jackson talkback hater, but there is no reason for me to praise the man - Because his films are not sit down and kick back enjoyable. Time will prove my point when the thought of watching Lord of the rings, on tv, dvd or theatrical re-release makes EVERYONE shudder. It happens now. C'mon, Watching the Lord of the ring films is akin to watching the directors cut Star Trek motion picture. I hold out hope for Kong. But I KNOW there will be moments where I'm sitting there looking around the audiance and being brought out of the film because 'she's draggin on'
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...was only good enough for 19th place.
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Oct 28, 2005 1:24:05 AM CDT
Lucas' Idea of Creative = "Let's Make R2D2 FLY!!! Yeah!!
by incrediburgible
Goddamned soul sucker. Go count your money and polish your turds.
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Wow. So many opinions. You know what they say, opinions are like assholes, they're an acquired taste. ----As for the length, need I remind you people of "The Godfather" (and/or "Part II"), "Seven Samurai" "La Dolce Vita" "Amadeus" "The Big Red One" "Once Upon A Time in the West" "Malcolm X" "Fiddler on the Roof" "Gangs of New York" "Ran" and "Schindler's List?" All movies at least two and a half hours long. ------Explain: The people who defend the Star Wars Prequels are the people who accuse Lord of the Rings of having bad acting. Do you not realize that Christopher Lee was in both? And I'll be goddamned if I'm gonna sit here and listen to you badmouth Christopher Lee. *Storms out of courtroom humming Battle Hymn of the Republic*
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I'd be reticent if I didn't point out that both the Godfather and the Godfather Part II are three hours, and they left out some stuff in the book. But those are the best films of all time (in my opinion). Now, you can't compare LOTR to Godfather, not as much as Godfather is a better film (it is, if only because of the actors: Marlon Brando, Al Pacino before he started just playing variations on his character from Scent of a Woman, Jimmy Caan, Robert Duvall, Diane keaton, Talia Shire, etc. etc. etc.) but because they are completely different genres.
I read in an earlier post that someone thought that Jackson was worht between 100-200 million dollars... I don't think so, I don't know if he got any returns on the gross from Lord of the Rings, which makes his contribution to Kong (the 32 million) more impressive.
I am not a Peter Jackson fan (I was just not impressed by the first Lord of the Rings, which I stopped about 2/3 of the way through, I decided I want to read the books first so I know what I'm enjoying, I'm a reader anyway and figure this would give me a greater appreciation for the film) and have not been hugely blown away by his other films. I don't wish the man failure, but I have a hard time imagining a three hour King Kong as a success, and I don't intend to see it unless it gets Godly reviews. But hey, to each his own. That's why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream, because you like crappy ice cream. -
Kit Fisto has a scene where he felches Anne Darrow, then uses his tentacles to trim the hair off of Kongs Balls
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Will probably go to flesh out Denham and Anne and Driscoll. If you watch the original the opening flys along. All you know about Anne is that she is about to become a street thief due to the depression, Denham is a bigmouth moviemaker "who is so bold and brave he would march right up to a lion and just take it" and driscoll is barely introduced. Next thing you know they are all on the island and all shit breaks loose. Suddenly Driscoll is thrust to the fore and the film follows his rescue attempt. Yet it works fine in 1933 and does today. I guess PJ would like to see more about these characters - imparticular Denham who seems to be a very interesting character. It's his movie let him do what the fuck he wants.
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Meesa say beeg yees to krullboy. Meesa own Kong. Hoo-ray for Jar Jar!!
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Meesa read you seely writing, you know nothing about characteer development. No role for Jar Jar on Skull Island. Jackson teeewibble diewector, if Mr, Lucas make Kong, Mr. Lucas find good part for Jar Jar. Kong-a be a beeeeg disastah.
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Since I only see you mention character development, let me list the following characters from LoTR: Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, Aragorn and Fari
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That's all...continue with your rants.
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http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/archives/2005/10/example_2372.html
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http://www.mcnblogs.com/thehotblog/archives/2005/10/example_2372.html
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DAVE POLAND WRITES: This is why I find the NYT so frustrating.
The first problem with Sharon Waxman's piece on King Kong is that it makes old news appear to be new news... and more so, surprising news. People have been talking about a 3 hour running time for six weeks now -
It's amusing how everyone talks about how Peter Jackson as a director is "always" capable of making his films so deep and meaningful. The more material he adds the better. Let's not forget people, that prior to LOTR, Peter Jackson was basically a blood'n'guts B-movie director who had made only one film - Heavenly Creatures - which could be said to have anything remotely close to depth or meaning. And no one would want to see a three or four hour version of that (it was actually a little over an hour and a half). The reason why LOTR in the extended editions were better or more satisfying is because of one reason only: more from the books survived. Because the story that Peter Jackson co-opted for his movies was the only thing that came close to saving the films (and not then even the third one) from Jackson's ham-handed direction, pointless additions, and immature writing. Kong will probably fit into the same category of material salvaging the director from what would otherwise be a total disaster. One day, Jackson will foolishly pick up something that's not guaranteed, and expose himself as the mediocre director and horrible writer he is.
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...the chimpan-a-to-z thing is from a popular episode of the Simpsons where Troy McLure stars in the musical production of Planet of the Apes. It's actually one of the last funny things the Simpsons did, so let us have it. And ABking, if I say Stallone is the greatest film maker of all, will you be my friend? I don't have any crazy friends and I think it might be fun.
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Yeah I'll prob be in line three times to see Kong. I often walk out on boring films and sweet talk my self to coming back another day when I'm 'feeling better'. Actually no you're right. Kong probably will own my arse. I happen to love the original as much as Harry. I loath that 80's remake. bla. and I got all giggly when I saw that new trailer! but I have real issues with Jacksons abilities based squarely on hsi efforts with LOTR. The films HAD to be that long because of the Books - What a pile of shit! And Now Kong HAS to be 3 hours because it'll make it 'more epic'? What an even bigger pile of shit. Don't worry man, I got pissed off the same when Tarantino sliced Kill Bill into two movies. I just HATE these self indulgent money grabbing 'film makers' When they are getting rich off of various versions of the same film, the Pre-marketing of a film, and source material they have 'lifted' for what ever reason - then yes. Watch me curse their corporate hides.
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Okay, everyone here seems to remember Peter Jackson from A) Lord of the Rings B) His splatter flicks or C) Heavenly Creatures. Has anyone else here seen "Forgotten Silver?" It's a beautiful little movie (one that was not a guaranteed thing, Joshua D. Terry who said "One day, Jackson will foolishly pick up something that's not guaranteed, and expose himself as the mediocre director and horrible writer he is." If you watch Forgotten Silver with an open mind, you might change your views. Can we be grown up enough to admit when an actor or writer or director we don't like does something good?
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Haven't seen "Forgotten Silver." I'd be willing to give it a chance with an open mind. I could be wrong. I don't irrationally hate the man. I just happen to think that he doesn't deserve the irrational adulation he receives here and elsewhere. Ten years from now, or after I watch "Forgotten Silver", maybe my mind will be changed.
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I respect Jackson faithfully making Lord of the Rings (even if he's doing it so he can put it out on DVD). I'm not a huge fan, as I don't like hype and people seem to have blown him up to be the greatest director of all time. LOTR is not going to be held up as a great piece of cinema, just deal with it. You can enjoy the movies and not have them be one of the greatest movies of all time.
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Any words yet on what fast food franchise will promote this movie? I can't wait to say "No...I would like to King Kong sized it."
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...so I can take my kid (and myself) for a piss as well as stocking up on nachos. During Two Towers we missed the fucking 'Gates of Mordor' sequence in order to take my kid for a leak. It worked for David Lean so why not bring back the good ol' 'INTERMISSION'. My personal view is that I want to see something around the two hour mark that is a complete riot. No boring parts - just like the (untouchable) '33 classic. And, please, no 'extended editions' - just a 'definitive' movie. I also don't particularly care whether it comes out at Christmas either so long as it tops Evil Dead II, which no film has ever managed to do thus far in my existence.
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