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Harry Potter wrestles 'Euroman' for the GOBLET OF FIRE!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with our most indepth review of HARRY POTTER AND THE GOBLET OF FIRE to date. I'm anxiously awaiting this one. It should be screening here in Austin in about 3 weeks. I want it tomorrow, but alas... I'll just have to wait it out. The below review is very detailed about what is in the movie vs. what is in the book, so steer clear if you haven't read the book! It's not super-super spoily, but you'll be happier if you walk into the movie not knowing some of these things. Enjoy the positive review!

Hi Harry!

I've been a fan for ages and all along I've been waiting patiently to be able to give a nice scoop. The time has finally come. Cause last night ... I saw "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire"! Here are my MANY thoughts (beware of spoilers!):

It was a somewhat private screening. We were about 20 people there. A lot of anticipation ... and then the lights went down and a snake appeared on screen. "Harry Potter 4.0" had arrived...!

Let me start by saying that when Harry Potter and Frodo Baggins entered the world of cinema some years back now, I was never in doubt as to which side I belonged to in the whole "versus" argument. "The Lord of the Rings" were (and are) to me cinematic masterpieces, and "Harry Potter 1+2" were well-done, entertaining, but in the end somewhat forgettable family films. Then "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" arrived. The first hour was good and visually stunning and dark, but the story was too fragmented, episodic and going in all directions. But when the movie ended, everything made sense. Everything we had just seen had been leading up to the climatic showdown without us even knowing it. Actually I regard the whole last hour of "Harry Potter 3" as a masterstroke of cinema, family film or not. And from there on, I was sold!

I have since then read all six books, so going into "Harry Potter 4" I knew that this would be my first Potter film with a pre-knowledge of the whole plot. I thought some of the excitement would be ruined, and I was somewhat right. It took me half an hour to stop thinking about how much they had shortened the whole beginning of the book. No matter how hard the readers of the books will try to forget what they know, they will not be able to see past how the first 150 pages of the book has been shortened down to 10-15 minutes of film. Well, they shortened part 3 in particular as well to make place for the long, expanded ending. As said, the best part of the third film was the time travelling 3rd act (which lasted an hour), and in the book the time twist doesn't go on for more than ten pages and doesn't include most of the ingenious details of the movie.

Part 3 decided to stick to the main plot and push everything else out the window. The same is the truth about part 4. And when you think about it there is nothing else you can do when you are adapting a book like this. So this is what is missing in the 4th film that fans of the book will complain about: There are no Dursleys and no Mrs. Weasley, as rumores have stated for months. The film starts with the same dream as in the book and then takes us straight to Mr. Weasley leading Harry, Hermione, Ron, Ginny, Fred and George to the Quidditch World Cup. There are no lectures at the school (except a single one to introduce us to the new Defense teacher, Mad-Eye Moody, and to the three unforgivable curses), so we have no idea what they actually learn in the fourth year at Hogwarts. There is no Quidditch (yes, they go the the World Cup, but we don't see any of the games). There is no Professor Trelawney or Sprout and no Dobby (and by that, no House-Elf Liberation Front). Rita Skeeter, Cho Chang, Draco Malfoy, Hagrid, Snape, McGonagall and Moaning Myrtle are in it for mere minutes all in all (and actually could have been excluded all together considering what they actually do in the film: nothing!). Sirius makes a very short apperance as a visual effect, so there is actually no Gary Oldman. Face it, fans: It's ALL about the Triwizard Tournament!

The three tasks of the tournament are superbly executed. The dragon that Harry battles is the best dragon ever put on film. It really doesn't look fake at all. And that goes for all of the special effects - if it isn't nominated for a visual effects Oscar, it will be a joke (considering that part 1 and 3 was!). The second task is done equally good but without the book's emphasis on what it is they have to get out of the lake (= the most important thing in each contestant's life). The third task is done in a beautifully constructed labyrinth, but it doesn't go on long enough. They don't meet any creatures like in the book, but what happened in the book between the four contestants inside the labyrinth still happens, yet it happens so quickly that we don't get time to fully feel and enjoy the fear, the confusion and the reality of what's really going and why. And what happens after that in the graveyard has also been shortened greatly, but it's done so faithful to the book and with all the needed lines and plot points that no one can complain.

About the three other contestants than Harry: Cedric is enough in the film for us to care about him. What might have been done better (if they had decided on a 3 hour film in stead of a 2h40m one) is Fleur and Viktor. Fleur and Viktor together have less than 10 lines in the film in total (and that is not an overstatement). There is not a mention of the word Veela in the film. Fleur has maybe 3 lines all in all, and that is the truth. Viktor has about 5, which is needed since he goes to the Yule ball with Hermione. But the emphasis is still on Harry, Hermione and Ron, so all other students suffer. Cedric is the only other student in the movie with more than five lines. Which is sad since Fleur, Viktor, Cho, Draco and a couple of the other kids are well-defined characters in the book.

As to the regular final plot twist ("who of all the characters is really a bad guy?"), it is not as big a revelation as in the earlier films or books, because it doesn't really tell us anything else than someone isn't who they seem to be. So it doesn't really matter, it's simply an extra treat. And it's not a bad one - just not an exciting one this time. But that doesn't really matter either, when you see the film as a seperate entity as I succeeded in after the first thirty minutes of thinking too much about what had been left out of the opening.

As I said: This film is about the Triwizard Tournament. And of course: The return of Voldemort. Yes, we do get a little bit of Ron and Harry arguing and becoming friends again afterwards, and yes, another argument at the ball further plays on the very unavoidable fact that Hermione and Ron will get together in book/film 7. A lot of small hints to the future films are mentioned, especially by all of the before-mentioned supporting roles that could have been left out but are only in it because they will be needed later... But all in all, it is about the tournament and Voldemort's return. And about that very return: Ralph Fiennes as Voldemort... If you agreed that "Star Wars III" should be rated PG-13, then you will agree even more with Harry Potter's rating after having seen it. If a young child sees Voldemort as he is done in this picture, be prepared for nightmares to follow. I won't spoil how he looks, but it is horrific. And I for one couldn't be happier! You really get the sense that this is the meanest, nastiest, ugliest and most dangerous man/wizard/creation on the face of the Harry Potter earth. Bravo!

This leads me to the very tone of the picture. If you thought "Part 3" was dark, you haven't seen nothing yet! This is perhaps the darkest "family film" ever made. This is a family horror film! The new director (Mike Newell) and screenwriter in the series could have easily shyed away from the meaner tone that Alfonso Cuarón set up in the last installation. But they go further - and then some. This is even more stunning, haunting, scary, gloomy, suspenseful and ominous than the last film, and all the more engaging for it. The studio could have stopped them from making a film so dark that all the small children fans of the books couldn't watch it, but they stuck with a vision and should get a round of applause for that. It really isn't a film for small kids and they really shouldn't be allowed to see it. They can watch "Jurassic Park" in stead. That at least has a happy ending. This certainly does not - and I won't spoil it if you don't know what happens in the graveyard and what the aftermath is. But it is certainly too much for children to cope with.

If I have sounded negative, I underline here that I am not. I just tried to tell you what was missing from the book and what was actually in the film (and a few things that I am sad couldn't be done better, especially concerning Fleur, Viktor and Cho). Would I have liked a four hour film that covered more of the novel? Yes! But for an almost three hour long movie they couldn't have adapted the material better. They haven't taken as strong liberties as in part 3, but they made part 4 even deeper and scarier than the book suggested. And I'm with them all the way! The direction, writing, the new music by Patrick Doyle, the very roller coaster ride into part adventure, part comedy, and (mostly) part nightmare is fantastic! The acting is (for the most part) also getting better. Daniel Radcliffe is still no Haley Joel Osment, but he is believable. His crying scene in this one was at least better than the one in part 3 (and more needed in this film at the point when it comes, all though it does come a little out of the blue). Rupert Grint is still a hell of a lot of fun as Ron, although he doesn't really get to do more here than in the last film, where he had to sit out on the whole time travelling. Again they have souped up Emma Watson's role as Hermione. She seems more and more like a leading character than Ron's supporting, and in the book they are equally big. But they/we need a heroine, and Hermione is what we get (and mixed signals come with that - one could easily think, from how she worries, hugs and cares for Harry, that she has some romantic feelings for him, which is a false lead). And here is the suprising let-down: After her commanding the screen in part 3, it is a real shock that she is the only one of all the students on screen this time that really seems to be "acting". It all seems very forced, over-studied and over-felt, and that's a shame, since she really was the well-deserved star of the last film. Hopefully she gets better next time - she just isn't good enough in part 4. Too bad.

But all in all, there is no question: This is the best Harry Potter film so far. Part 1 was sweet, but took 1½ hour to get to the plot about the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone. Part 2 was darker and more concerned with the plot, but not really a much better film. Part 3 became even more darker and took some time holding its story together, but in the end became a cinematic, haunting winner. Part 4 has become as dark as black and is (thanks to the best and most exciting of all the Harry Potter books) a thrill ride from start to finish. If you thought part 3 was the weakest, you probably will not be very much happier with this, cause it is basically made in the same vain, but still with a much stronger and important story. Do you feel the same way as I do about the first three, there is a good chance you will enjoy the fourth as much as I did. If you look at the stories in book 5 or 6, they won't be able to make as good a couple of movies as "The Goblet of Fire" is. So catch it while you can - this really has to be seen on the big screen in all its un-sunny glory. This is an even more cinematic experience than part 3. Don't cheat your self...!

I really want to call it "the family film of the year", but, as stated before, this is really not a family film. Don't bring the small ones - the images and horrors are that strong! Bring your parents in stead - whatever their age. Cause this is an adult picture. And if it wasn't deamed unworthy just for being "a Harry Potter film", it could easily have become a dark horse for a Best Picture nomination for some of the many awards shows coming soon. That's the curse of being a fourth film in a "children's series". But it's their loss - and yours, if you don't see it!

I could go on and on, but I will stop now. Yes, it could have been better had it been longer. But as long as it is what it is, it is a damn good movie! And probably the best Harry Potter film we're gonna get until part 7 (if J.K. Rowling can deliver a knockout of a swan song).

Yours truly,


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  • Oct. 26, 2005, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Forst Bootches...

    by onefalsemove


  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Finally, first!

    by WillowFan2001

    And although I'm suspicious of the tone of this review, I can't wait to see if it's true.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Oh, monkeyballs

    by WillowFan2001

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:09 a.m. CST


    by The True Priapic

    Harry Potter is huge in China.I fucking hate Harry Potter.The dvds on sale here are Elizabeth town,The fog,Sky High and Doom.They are all fucking awful films.Never thought I'd say it but The Dunst is highly annoying in Crowe's debacle.May i add....did she give away the Spidey 3 baddies in an interview recently?Apparently so.Oh,yeah...the Transporter 2 is shit as well.Fuck me,Amber Valletta looks old.Sky High is fucking horrible.Zhang Ziyi is hated over here,they think she's a tramp.Oh yeah,HARRY!Watch The Outsiders:The complete novel and fucking rip your ears out in fucking horror as Coppola ruins a beloved score.Fucking hell,it was horrible.Do it for Johnny,man!At least he left in Gloria by Van the Man.Fuck me the movies out at the moment are shit.Elizabeth town?Eurghhh.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:21 a.m. CST


    by jrbarker

    I'm looking forward to this.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:30 a.m. CST

    What an idiotic review

    by elBox

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Such uncertainty...

    by aSTRESSEDavenger

    So, this reviewer goes on and on about how Newell and company cut stuff that was in the book, which is inevitable but still disheartening, and then concludes it to be the best of the series. Emma Watson disappointing? Pointless characters galore? BRILLIANT! Did I miss something?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:33 a.m. CST

    That review wasn't very detailed at all...

    by Lezbo Milk

    it said a lot about what was not in the movie, and said the movie is basically about the Tournament and return of shit. Oh well, like I'm not going to see it myself anyways, reviews or not. Great book, should be a great flick too.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:54 a.m. CST

    Non-book readers: Parts 4 & 6 are the best, so enjoy the upcommi

    by Tall_Boy

    And that was an interesting review to read. But, yeah, every indication says this movie is going to rock, but "Goblet" is really the best book in the series, so there was no chance it wasn't going to be one. Afterwards, we all have to slag through "Order" and, eventually, get back to the awesomeness of "Prince." But, yeah, "Goblet" will rule.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 3:48 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter and the Penguin

    by litzapalooza

    i find it hard to believe that this will top Batman Returns as the darkest family film ever made

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 3:52 a.m. CST

    I really love the Harry Potter series but...

    by castaway

    it almost sounds like they are rushing things, it almost seems like they could have risked a 3 hour mark by a hair to make room for certain things that have now been cut. I really wanted to see Hagrid's class this time and for me the creatures in the hedge maze will be sorely missed, they could have at least shown Hagrid taking a blast-ended skrewt out for a walk or something. I already know that I will probably fall madly in love with Goblet of Fire even though I will miss a lot of what has been cut and still think it should have been a 2 part mini series event on NBC (can you even IMAGINE what the ratings would have been like, seriously). As it is I will hear no more bitching about Order of the Phoenix thank you very much seeing as how its gonna be Voldemort Vs. Dumbledore in a heart-stopping duel (SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY). Best Picture award? I kinda liked the review but there is something that feels disconnected about the world of Harry Potter that would simply not allow that (unless it was perhaps a Nickelodeon Kids Choice Award) maybe because its kiddy, Lord of the Rings had a lot more of a human element to it (besides ruling in general of course). on a parting note,.....HARRY KNOWLES, I URGE YOU TO TURN OFF THE CLONE WARS CARTOONS RIGHT NOW AND READ ONE OF THESE FUCKING BOOKS...I LOVE STAR WARS AS WELL BUT YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE MISSING...its like eating a finely layered cake with your eyes! (I apologize for the length of my post...didn't mean for it to be this long).

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 4:10 a.m. CST

    it took three movies to finally read the books?

    by RetroActive

    I liked the comment about how reading the books takes the surprise out of the movies...uuhhh...they're books. damn good books I might add. Anyway, overall I enjoyed the review...until the best picture talk started. Let's not get carried away. The sad part is, all of the families with kids seven and under will be there anyway. Including my brother. (Me: Dude...don't take your kids it's too violent....My Bro: Whatever man, they'll have a few nightmares and get over it). His son still wakes up with "spiders" all over him. Brilliant.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5:01 a.m. CST

    RetroActive, keep Peter Boyle away from your nephew!

    by Frisco

    Ahhhh, spiders!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5:20 a.m. CST


    by William Cutting

    ..its all well and good having 'scoops' n all but when the reviews are as shit as this then you really shouldnt bother posting them!!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Sounds great!

    by Wingnut1A

    I'm definitly gonna see this one. All the trailers look great, but I am slightly dissapointed that the Quiddich World Cup wont be given more time. I was really looking forward to seeing the Veela cheerleaders and all the Leprechauns, etc. That was a fantastic chapter in the book.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 6:02 a.m. CST

    Hoping this one won't leave me cold like the last one did...

    by Wungolioth

    I've already said it, very few people agree, but seeing as how PoA was the shortest movie in the series so far, they could have kept more of the book in the movie for the fans. I understand they want to cover the material overlooked in OotP, but what kind of sense does it make to have to backtrack on this particular book, an already daunting task as is. Since I last posted, I'd like to point out a particular loose thread they left in PoA that occurred to me. When Lupin took the map away from Harry, they never did explain his apparent familarity with the object. This, the whole backstory on the Marauder's Map, including the fact that James was an animagus as well, could have fit into a 2-3 minute explanation from Lupin before he left at the end of the movie. If this had been done, I would have been happier with the 3rd movie.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 6:50 a.m. CST

    You thought the PoA movie made sense???

    by Gorrister

    If you've only seen the movie, I can't see how Prisoner of Azkaban made ANY sense whatsoever. They left plot holes big enough for Rosie O'Donnell to fall through without hitting the edges! The movie never explained how Lupin and Snape knew Sirius was in the Shreiking Shack, how Sirius knew Petigrew was at Hogwarts, or even who Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs are (even though all four appear in the film). Hell, the Firebolt was a MAJOR subplot, yet it was thrown in at the end like an afterthought....instead of occurring at Christman in the book! Also, the Dementor attack at the end was far more exciting in the book. The Dementors tried to suck out the souls of Sirius, Harry and Hermione....not just Sirius (like the movie suggests). And the Patronus did a hell of a lot more than just stand there glowing in the book. It charged down the Dementors and kicked their hooded asses!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 6:55 a.m. CST

    I see dead people

    by Prof.Ikamono

    I for one am infinitely grateful that Daniel Radcliffe is no haley Joel Osment.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:03 a.m. CST

    this blows...

    by jig98

    did i say that out loud? do i HAVE to wait till this FUCKING movie comes out to have an explaination on voldemort's return and hermione's thing with harry?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Well, you could actually read the book.

    by Prof.Ikamono

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:10 a.m. CST

    Well, actually no, you don't...

    by Wungolioth

    You could actually try picking up the book and reading it. From the above review, you will either like the movie more for doing so, or hate it for what's been left out.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Can't wait!

    by L. Duderino

    I thought part 3 was the best by far. I just hope they kept the visual style of that film: especially the "iris" transitions - made me think of Nosferatu (which is a good thing)!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:39 a.m. CST

    No Dobby?

    by 007-11

    What about the damn gillyweed?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Thanks knowthyself... the headline of your post certainly made m

    by IAmMrMonkey

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Aslan is on the move

    by Prof.Ikamono

    because Narnia seems to invade every thread now. Check out the Hostel thread to see what I mean. It is a Lions Gate picture but, can two movies have more nothing in common? Did I just type "more nothing"? oh dear.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Hermione a heroine?

    by Sil

    Sounds like they've once again screwed up Hermione's role in these stories. Hermione is NOT supposed to be a heroine. Even Rowling always describes her as a "sidekick", and Hermione is always equal in importance with Ron. In fact, it's Ron who is Harry's best friend, and Hermione who is always "second best" - Harry admits in GoF that he finds hanging around with Hermione to be very boring compared to Ron. You wouldn't believe that from the movies. They've turned Hermione into an ass-kicking flawless heroine, but in the process, they have destroyed the charm of her character. She's just not likeable in the films - she bites every line and has only one facial expression, which is scowling. I don't give a damn about Hermione in the films. If she died in the seventh book, it would be horrific - if it happened in the movie, I just wouldn't care. They've also destroyed the balance of the trio by doing this, turning Ron into a wimpy sidekick who just pulls faces. In the books, their romance works because they are equals, and their flaws and virtues cancel each other out perfectly. That just isn't in the movies. Hermione's supposed to be an intelligent but plain, average-looking, insecure young girl who has a huge inferiority complex and fear of failure, and has trouble dealing with her emotions, despite her preaching to the others about maturity. In the books, it's Ginny who's the beautiful, fiesty, spunky, ass-kicking, emotionally strong, mature, witty female character, who doesn't let herself get pushed around by anyone. Ginny is the Princess Leia of the outfit. Hopefully they'll get Ginny right in the next two movies, otherwise Harry's romantic subplot with her just won't be believable.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Gillyweed Spoiler

    by pandamaster83

    Apparently Neville gives Harry the gillyweed instead of Dobby, with Neville being a good herbologist and all.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Just don't understand the competition thing...

    by Wungolioth

    Harry Potter and Narnia really don't have all that much in common, aside from being fantastic children's stories. Why place hate on anything that pushes the industry to make movies we have been waiting so long to see? Without the HP films, and the success of LOTR revitalizing the fantasy genre, the Narnia films wouldn't have been greenlit. I expect TLTWATW to be a great success. That said, I just can't see some of the following books done as movies without such meddling by the studios with the stories that either they come out unrecognizable, or the production falls apart halfway through the story. Sure, they might stick someone in the production to make the movie they wanted, but either way I see popularity on these falling sharply around the end of the 4th book(would be Voyage of the Dawntreader if proper publication order is followed).

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Order of the Phoenix's weakness as a book may turn to its ad

    by FluffyUnbound

    After all, they always need to cut a lot, and in Phoenix they can cut the 400 pages of Harry whining, bitching, going on ego trips, and yelling at his friends. I think they do need to establish that Harry's father was actually a dick, and show you that Harry might be turning out a lot like him - but they can do that in a reasonable enough way with two or three scenes, and don't need to spend half the film doing it, the way that half the book was spent doing it. The book was still fun, don't get me wrong - but parts are redundant and uncinematic and if those parts are excised, what's left makes a neat little 2 and a half hour movie.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Good point, 007-11

    by dewijnboer


  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Good point, FluffyUnbound....

    by Wungolioth

    I agree with you about having to delve into the fact that James Potter and the gang were dicks at times, which is exactly why it confounds me they left out their relationships as Harry understood them by the end of PoA(the book). It just doesn't have the same emotional resonance when Harry starts to actually feel sorry for Snape if he didn't spend 2 years thinking his dad and his buddies were all a bunch of good guys. Somehow, I think they're just going to chicken out at the end, and not reveal this bit of information to streamline the movie.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Tilda Swinton

    by Prof.Ikamono

    was amazing as the Victor/Victoria as The Thin White Duke Gabriel in Constantine. And her work with Derek Jarman was no less so. Her Jadis will be the best thing to hit Narnia since Vyvyan went through the Wardrobe on the Young Ones. Hagrid was on that show a lot come to think.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 9:46 a.m. CST

    I am surprised...

    by dewijnboer

    ... that nobody has mentioned the word PLANT here before. By the way, anyone here seen

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Order of the Phoenix will be the most challenging book to film.

    by Mahaloth

    Because it is way overlong and has a week narrative line. The story just isn't strong enough, which is a shame since Book 6 is the best.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Order of the Phoenix was too short. LOL *Spoilers*

    by Gorrister

    Ok, I'm not slamming all of you who think Order of the Phoenix was too long. I understand that I'm in the minority on this topic. I happen to like long novels if they are well written and Order of the Phoenix is my favorite next to Philosophers Stone because of the tension going on. Harry's pretty much flipped out for most of the first half of the book, Hogwarts is no longer a safe haven for Harry, Umbridge makes Snape look like Brian Boitano, Luna Lovegood is introduced, we get a peek into Snapes past and the Battle of the Deparment of Mysteries was the most kick-ass fight in Harry Potter history to date! Especially when you see Neville Longbottom in action. That fat little kid fights off numerous Death Eaters with a broken nose and while carrying an unconcious Hermione. Unfortunately, I'm betting serious money that the director of Order of the Phoenix is going to eliminate Neville, Luna and Ginny from the Ministry battle in order to focus more on Harry, Ron and Hermione.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 10:11 a.m. CST


    by Nizzuts

    I agree that Order of the Phoenix might be the best Potter movie just for the reasons you mentioned. They can cut out a lot of the bullcrap and get the the ending quick. As much as Order of the Phoenix was long and drawn out, the ending was great.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:02 a.m. CST

    So it will be darker than "Return To Oz"?

    by DerLanghaarige


  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:03 a.m. CST

    The Harry, Ron, Hermione Dynamic

    by PhilosopherKing

    Hey just thought some of you may be interested in knowing that the three characters are modeled after Plato's three parts of the psyche in the Republic. Ron reacts purely based upon his appetites, Hermione purely on her intellect, and Harry represents the spirited or heroic aspect. Rodenberry did the same thing with Kirk, Bones, and Spock in Star Trek. Similarly the characters in Jaws are set up the same way. Its a classic move to create a great character dynamic.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by blackthought

    who killed dobby?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    nobody killed dobby...

    by jig98

    he was freed at the end of chamber of secrets and he was a servant charector so there was no other reason for him after that.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Order of the Phoenix

    by Sil

    With Order of the Phoenix, they have the chance to do a real character-study on Harry. After all the audience-pleasing thrills of Goblet, it's time to go for a more unsettling angle - much less action, much more tension and angst. It's about time we had a real look at how Harry feels about his situation, what motivates him, what he wants to be doing. It won't be as popular with the audience (I'd put money on it being many people's "least favourite" HP movie - for the general audience because of Anakin-Harry and the lack of action, and for the fans because of the amount they have to cut), but it has the potential to be artistically the best of all the Potter movies, simply because the themes, the story and the character have more depth to them than in any other HP book. I doubt they'll cut Ginny, Neville and Luna from the Ministry scenes. According to Matt Lewis, David Yates wants the story of Neville's parents to be a part of the movie, and it wouldn't be the same without the final confrontation. Luna's role in the story would be almost irrelevent if it wasn't for her seeing the Veil at the end (I'm expecting the Quibbler article to be cut), and Ginny has to be there to set up her bigger role and romance with Harry.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Dobby does have a further role...

    by Wungolioth

    Dobby is supposed to end up as a house elf in Hogwart's, although he is a free elf, and Hermione takes up the cause to free all house elves. Unfotunately, Dobby and any reference to him and other house elves has been cut out of the story, so I don't feel any great need to warn for spoilers here.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:33 a.m. CST

    You knew good Potter bits were going to be cut....

    by vinceklortho

    When they decided to not split it into two films. That's the rub you have to deal with being a H. Potter book fan. I missed the flashback scene in PoA where Harry watches his Dad, Sirius, Lupin beat up on Snape and then learn of them being Animagious'. It was such a good scene about Hogwarts' past and Harry's father. But, they can't put that shit in the movie. People would be bored to tears. I liked it, but this is fucking Hollywood. I still loved the movie, though. They are going to take all the action chunks in this movie, Triwizard tourney and Voldy's return, and through in a couple of simple things, being newfound crushes, Harry dealing with Rita Skeeter, and more growing pains for the kids. Just wondering, doesn't this one have Ron and Harry being pissed at each other for most of the book? Or is that Order? I hope they DO NOT scrap that storyline.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Harry Potter Soundtrack

    by 102276

    I sent a lead to Quint on Sunday to tell him AOL had the whole soundtrack for Goblet of Fire online. You basically couldn't get a better sneak preview than that. It was never reported, and AOL pulled the music down yesterday. It seems Harry and his crew are too busy these days to keep his site competitive. I understand that, but he needs to get some fresh talent involved to keep up with the news, if he wants to keep Ain't It Cool News, and himself, relevant. Anyway, the PARTIAL soundtrack is now available at Enjoy.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Ron/Harry Storyline...

    by Saluki

    ... Is in Goblet, and has been left in the movie. Picked up my midnight showing tickets today, hope the crowd is as into the flick as the Midnight Batman Begins crowd!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:03 p.m. CST

    The Movies have dropped the ball on Snape and Harry's Dad

    by Drath

    I knew something was wrong when they didn't have Dumbledore tell Harry about his dad saving Snape's life all the way back in the first movie. Then in the third movie, they didn't mention it again (when Snape told Harry that James had endangered him to begin with), and didn't even mention that James Potter, Sirius, Remus, and Peter were Padfoot, Moony, Wormtail, and Prongs! I have friends who didn't read the books who still don't understand that stuff. At least nothing was outright contradicted, but unless Kloves intends to play catch up to all of this in one of the later movies, I don't see how they are going to even approach the level of storytelling that's going on in the later books. Harry's knowledge of his father and what he thinks he knows about Snape is HUGE to this series but the movies make it look so shallow.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:19 p.m. CST

    So it's a platonic relationship then?

    by Prof.Ikamono

    Hey PhilosopherKing I always thought their dynamic (in both Potter and Trek) to be based on the Freudian Ego, Superego, Id concept. For more Idealistic fun read Charles Williams' The Shape of the Lion. Oh Saluki, when you say Harry/Ron do you mean it in a non-platonic slash fiction shonen ai kind of way? Cause we all know the secret relationship is Harry/Draco.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by blackwood

    Not to be last prom girl with my skirt over my head, but I also think "Order of the Phoenix" could be the best film - best elements being Umbridge, Ministry politics and the head-in-the-ground denial of Voldemort's return, Harry's growing sense of doom and responsibility, plus the shattering of his illusions, and the entire final third. "Order" might not be the best book, but I think it's the most emotionally sophisticated and contains some of the best 'cinematic' scenes (not big-bang stuff, but, for instance, Harry refusing to show weakness while carving words into the back of his hand while Umbridge looks on, smug). The only thing I can say about "Goblet" so far is it has the best trailer of the series.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:31 p.m. CST

    On freud

    by PhilosopherKing

    Prof.Ikamono there are those who say that freud's theories are based on Plato's. I think may be, but not completely. The problem with the freudian analogy is that it is too unforgiving, any character that is completely id would be totally out of control. Think of Pitt's Tyler Durden from Fight Club but even that isn't completely id. Rowling is classically educated, my guess is that her character sketches were based on Plato.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:33 p.m. CST

    The Deep End

    by blackwood

    And, apropos of nothing, "The Deep End" is a great little movie - Swinton is exceptional in it.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by sarxabomb1

    "There is no Quidditch (yes, they go the the World Cup, but we don't see any of the games)." Pretty sure there were no quidditch during the school year cause of the triwizard tournament.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by sarxabomb1

    there was only one game in the world cup and it was the final Bulgaria vs Ireland

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:43 p.m. CST

    uwe boll wrote this review

    by mrgreentheplant

    I'm surprised he wasn't more critical of it. i think OotP could be great because not a thing of relevance happens in the first 200 pages, so they don't have to cut as much from the rest of the book and as long as they balance the angst with the plot it could be a solid 2.5 hour movie with none of the occasional boredom of the book. and they need to extend the ministry duel, but its hollywood and they know how much we love to see fighting, so i'm confident.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Don't mean to bitch, but I'm not watching Goblet

    by Gorrister

    Sure, I'll probably see it eventually. Like when it's on DVD or, most likely, TV, but I have no plans to see it in the theaters. I already know the story. Hell, I know more of the story than the movie is going to portray. I also don't like that they are going to have Harry kill the Hungarian Horntail (if what I've heard is true). I also think it's funny that this director has set Hermione up really big along-side Harry even though she ends up with Ron in the novels. But I'm not trying to discourage fans from watching the movie. Go see it. But I'll stick with the books, thank you very much. :)

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2 p.m. CST

    Yeah, right

    by pokadoo

    Gorrister, you'll be seeing this in the theatre, along with the rest of us! You're fooling nobody! :)

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Great, but does Emma Watson show her cans????? What a waste of

    by The_Lion

    Emma, strip! Take it off! Now! But slowly....

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 2:36 p.m. CST

    What about the rumored shower scene where Emma shows her knocker

    by The_Lion

    Does it happen in this film?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I'm not here to fight you this time the_lion

    by Prof.Ikamono

    but you should know that if they follow the book, the only one who would take a bath on camera would be Harry. Hey you think maybe the PG-13 rating is because we get to see Daniel Radcliffe's ass?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Fuck Harry taking a bath... either Emma or that Chinese chick sh

    by The_Lion

    I'd love to see that young asian chick licking Emma's muff. Take it off, girls.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5 p.m. CST

    And you wouldn't want to be seeing that now.

    by Prof.Ikamono

    It could make you think disturbing thoughts and all. So there's only one thing you can do, Tear out your own eyes before it's to late!

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Nope. Not Seeing it. :)

    by Gorrister

    I am one of the millions of Americans who are hitting the theaters less and less frequently. Hell, I didn't even go watch Revenge of the Sith last summer. Just read the book instead. And I missed Hitchhikers Guide, even though I'm a HUGE Douglas Adams fan (Dirk Gently is a better series than Hichhikers). The last time I set foot inside a movie theater was in the summer of '04. And that was only because my girl at the time REALLY wanted to see that stinker Open Water. I'm hard pressed to remember a movie that caused me that much agony to watch. Maybe Batman and Robin...... Anyhow, I have no doubt I can resist Harry Potter because I've read that book several dozen times. I practically know it by heart. So why should I see the movie?

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Of course the real Hogwarts Lesbians are Prof. Sprout and Madame

    by Prof.Ikamono

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I haven't read 6 yet, but I thought 5 was as good if not bet

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    The ending was so much more important in 5 than in 4... God these books are savage. But this guy's mostly right, movie 1 was shit, movie 2 was ok to meh, and movie 3 was pretty darn good. 4 is definitely the best book of the first 4, and I haven't read it in years... so I'm thinking I'm going to have a kick ass time for The Goblet of Fire.

  • Oct. 26, 2005, 7:49 p.m. CST

    more like harry potter

    by whatyoufear

    and the goblet of PLANT

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 12:45 a.m. CST

    The only "Plant" I care about is the bush between Emma's sup

    by The_Lion

    Word up.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Kids Film vs. Not...

    by FlickChick

    The difference, according to the stupid is an infantile lack of wit = "kid's movie", because gosh darn, the kids just won't "get it". That's why we got Daniel's "wide-eyed" stare and the overwrought score to cue amazement, Emma's theater school dramatics, and Rupert's predictable "punchlines". People keep making that same excuse, "kid's movies" for the first two Potter movies...And truly, it's insulting to the smart kids out there. They were crap. Azkaban was better...but the script and acting could've been tighter. At least it didn't insult it's audience's intelligence. Hopefully, Goblet will improve on the strides from the last film.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Azkaban on Acid

    by oisin5199

    I understand (and mostly agree with) the complaints about dropping the background on the Marauder Map and Prongs, etc. That stuff could have been fleshed out a bit better. At the time, though, it didn't bother me because I knew the story from the book. I noticed that kids didn't like it as much because of its plot cutting. As an adult with knowledge of the books, I loved it, because it was more artistically done (the opening sequence and the whole Dursleys scene with the tvs was brilliant) and tighter. I also loved the more surreal quality of the whole thing. A simple thing like playing Fred and George more strangely, like Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee, or placing Hagrid's hut on a rocky hillside (rather than on an obvious set) really added to the overall quality of the film (both on a realistic and surreal level) and made the HP world so much more appealing and interesting.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 2:42 p.m. CST

    The first two 'Potter' films...

    by Halloween68

    bit ass. The only reason I look forward to this one is because of the 3...which I quite liked. My only worries about this film is the sense of regression with the visuals from the last film to the first two (I heard the original crew was back for this one) have been somewhat alleviated with the good reviews.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by Halloween68

    I've read all the books by the way. Part three was just a much better film than the first two. It actually was a opposed to a cartoon. I suppose to be able to see that though, you have to sort of remove yourselves from the book. In the same way you did for LOTR. Part three was both beautiful and moving (it had heart). There were hiccups, but the overall good outweighed the bad by a long shot. Here's hoping four can keep the ball rolling. My problem with the first two, if not obvious, was that it was like watching plastic imitations of what was being written in the text. Once they reached Hogwarts, it wasn't much better than Disney's HAUNTED MANSION. And, man, just so you know... That aint good.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 3:08 p.m. CST

    New Soundtrack

    by monorail77

    Thanks for the link, 102276. I checked out the tracks that are being previewed and all I can say is: ewwww, songs. There's some "score" tracks which, frankly, add little to nothing to John Williams's original score. And then there are those songs: a "Hippogriff Dance" track that's just awful, and anohter song. They're trying to cater to a teen crowd, I guess, but I think its gaudy and a mistake. I hope the rest of the "score" tracks are better than what's being previewed. I thought the PoA score was really great, so it'll be hard to top.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 4:44 p.m. CST

    LOTR and HP

    by Itblowstherobot

    I think that having an extended edition of the DVD with the complete versions of the books would sell really well. I'd be surprised if that happened though, as WB is notoriously bad with DVD's.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Great idea, Itblowstherobot

    by monorail77

    but I don't think they even filmed the stuff that was left out from the books. Therefore no Extended Editions possible.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 6:13 p.m. CST


    by PolyesterRage

    POA was my favorite movie of the ones out so far. At least it was enjoyable to watch, even with the horrible cuts. The problem with the movies now is that they're cutting things out that will have precedence later on. So they're really just screwing themselves over. And I hate Kloves as a screenwriter. Is he going to be doing all of them? Please no.

  • Oct. 27, 2005, 8:02 p.m. CST

    PolyesterRage: No, Kloves won't.

    by Uncle_Les

    I read who replaces him, but can't remember. Peace Out.

  • Oct. 28, 2005, 2:18 a.m. CST

    Kloves Replaced Only On "Order"

    by castaway

    For Order of the Phoenix it will be a new writer, I just remember that his last name was kinda weird. However, it has been reported that Kloves will help adapt Half-Blood Prince.

  • Oct. 28, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    New clip on moviephone

    by Prof.Ikamono

    Death-Eater's attack on World Cup campout. Dark Mark. Death-Eaters look like Klansmen in their pointy hoods.