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KING KONG - getting leaner, meaner and older?

Hey folks, Harry here... If you're a Kongphile like myself, then you're probably frequenting multiple times a day, subscribed to the Yahoo Kong Fan group, and maybe you're hitting Ebay with an insane frequency searching for the latest cool Kong stuff. This isn't anything new for me. This site's background has been Kong since the day after 9/11, the reason... the original 1933 film is my favorite film of all time. That has been the case since I was a little boy and it has consistently alternated with Errol Flynn's THE ADVENTURES OF ROBIN HOOD ever since.

I absolutely love all this new Kong stuff. I'm dying to play UbiSoft's game, the online trailers for it give me chills - and I don't play video games... but I will play this one. I'm getting the KING KONG Chase Mastercard, cuz... well I'm just that pathetic. I've never had a Star Wars or a Star Trek or Disney Credit Card - but Kong pushes the right buttons. Having said that - there have been little things about King Kong's new look that I wasn't fond of. I thought the wonky tooth was a bit lame. I thought that it gave him a goofy look. I thought his face was a little puffy. Well... I just got sent a pic from Quint that originated from a Sci Fi magazine that was then taken by KongIsKing message boarders to create a compare and contrast side by side that is pretty fucking cool. Here, take a look:

Notice the smaller eyes, the leaner more hardened face and the greyer and more wrinkled face. Personally I feel this face is just full of character. How about you?

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  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1 p.m. CST


    by plissken77

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:03 p.m. CST

    agreed harry

    by Holodigm

    VAST improvement

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:04 p.m. CST


    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    coolish new one looks much more realistic.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Look's fantastic

    by Canada's King

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:07 p.m. CST

    The Adventures of Robin Hood

    by seppukudkurosawa

    holds up much better to me than King Kong. That's my favourite movie too...I think it's because I've always had a boy-crush for Errol Flynn. And that's something I'll say quite proudly, because we're talking about Errol fucking Flynn here. The ultimate man. Captain Blood, The Sea Hawk and They Died With Their Boots On have always been up there too. If I had a choice beteen Errol Flynn and Olivia De Havilland I'd probably Olivia what the fuck, I'm not actually gay. Kong was never sexy enough for me, though I have to admit he's got very nice eyes in this pic. He's got that wizened, Treebeard if he were an ape quality to him. So anyway, I've just revealed myself to be a closet homosexual Robin Hood fan who occasionally dabbles in bestiality. Why not?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:08 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Much more of an ape-monster look rather than the silverbackish earlier version. I like it.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:13 p.m. CST

    He looks like Wilford Brimley.

    by Tal111

    But I guess that's an improvement over looking like a confused Fat Albert.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:14 p.m. CST


    by ClarkK82

    and people thought that the Superman fans were nitpicky on the slight changes to his look...

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Well, we have a choice ...

    by chrth

    Every fourth post is another pic of a monkey, or every fourth post is a plant review of Hostel. You must choose, but choose wisely...

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:14 p.m. CST

    #1 on Harrys Top Ten of the year already

    by MontyPigeon

    You dont even have to watch the film to know this. Following it at #2 will be a far east film that no one has seen or even heard about. If Kong turns out to be one of the worst films of the year, it will still be #1 on his list.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:15 p.m. CST

    The second face (?) is incomparably better, but the most importa

    by SalvatoreGravano

    ...the absence of THAT IDIOTIC CLOWN TOOTH. Could it actually be gone from the whole film?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by Sinisterjim

    They 'humanized' the face decision. Definately more sympathetic looking, and grizzled, he's been through some shit, the history's on his face. Can't wait to see this one!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:20 p.m. CST

    This is indeed "News About Nothing"...

    by Kid Z

    ... But I too hope the protruding fang is gone... it makes Kong look too much like Sarge's dog in the comic strip Beetle Bailey...

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Looks Better. But Then Close Ups Of The Hulk Looked Great Too.


    It's the animation that counts. And Jack Black not feeling wildly inappropriate in his role.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I'll be the minority on this, I guess.

    by Childe Roland

    I was a sucker for cross-eyed Kong. I cried the first time I saw him go off that building. The snaggle-toothed, round-faced Kong felt more relatable to me than the Clint Eastwood Kong, who appears ready to tell an airplane machine gunner to make his day. What can I say? I like my big apes flawed.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Won't be the worst!

    by Sinisterjim

    I think anyone who has followed this production and Peter Jackson's career can say that with ZERO doubt! Just do the math, he's an absolute geek for King Kong, he is an excellent director, great and proven writing team, a proven record with the Ring's trilogy, as well as his previous films, was handed total control by, could it be mediocre? absolutely (though I doubt it), will some people hate and loathe it? of course. I have faith in those working on the film, I have no reason to think otherwise at this point, the track record says it all. Fact is, I love the original film, it will always be there, if the remake doesn't work, I can look at it as a missed opportunity, still have the original, and it has survived countless rip-offs, sequels, carttons and a far-from-great, but fun remake in '76. Kong is legend!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by DocPazuzu

    The problem with the earlier version, in my opinion, is that he already looks somewhat lovable and goofy. It's much more interesting (as well as more of a challenge for the animators) to make him look physically frightening and then make him win the viewers' hearts as the film progresses. If they can pull that kind of thing off, it will be much more rewarding I think.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:38 p.m. CST

    This movie has a big problem.

    by riskebiz

    Namely it's all the dinosaurs on that island. Because at the end of this film Carl Denham should say "Twas Beauty that killed the Beast ... but we left a lot of cool prehistoric dinosaurs on that island that have miraculously survived time and were going back to get them!!! Because, sure ... this was one big ape ... but were talking frikkin' T-REX's and raptors and brontosaurs and ..."

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:45 p.m. CST

    You have to check out this old KONG pic!

    by I Dunno

    ...and purchase the new DVD on the making of the DVD. Not the film, the DVDs themselves! Our workers in mainland China and Taiwan have compiled a video diary detailing exactly how the DVDs are pressed and labelled! But this now or you're a douchbag! If you act now, you'll recieve an exclusive code that, when activated during the DVD of the film itself, will release the ending! Don't leave Kong stranded on that building! Visit now!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Maybe I'm biased...

    by cyanide christ

    ...but as a long-time fan of Peter Jackson I have to say that this film will be nothing less than good. It might not be oscar material but with his directing style the movie will be fun to watch even if the script turns out to be mediocre.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:53 p.m. CST

    TB idiots

    by bluebottle

    when are you going to realize that AICN is about cool news, and also functions as a blog for the AICN crew. Harry is a Kong fan. These talkbacks are basically a comments field, but THIS is his space. If he wants to geek out about every little Kong detail, he's more than allowed. If it was my site, I'd be contantly going on about the I Am Legend movie... Fuck, I'd probably be less restrained than Harry. So fuck off. And the pic looks awesome.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Thanks Harry!

    by Bean_

    This is a great improvement, I like the new face.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:05 p.m. CST

    I didn't hate the tooth, but it reminded me of Labyrinth

    by Drath

    so I'm not sorry it's gone. Yeah, Harry DID have nothing but positive things to say before. He's a shameless Kong groupie, and part of being a groupie is being sycophantic. He admits it though, it's not like he's using subliminal messages to control how we think like that "Keira Knightly is the hottest beanpole on the planet" banner from....oh wait.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Put me on Kong #2's side.

    by JustinSane

    I am also more fond of the older, no-goofy-tooth version. VIVA KONG!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I'll take the Hostel reviews over this anyday

    by Nate Champion

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:14 p.m. CST


    by Proman1984

    Harry, come on!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Just saw the HD trailer for Kong today...

    by Killah_Mate

    That's some cool shit right there. So sharp it almost hurts my eyes. Also, the new Kong face is better. But really, no duh. Jackson *said* the FX were far from finished when the teasers started showing up, but everyone *had* to bitch how the CGI sucks! And now they start tightening up the look for the creatures, and everyone's so amazed. Gimme a break.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:20 p.m. CST

    The Kong with a tooth looked like a pussy

    by Doc_Strange

    Looked more like Donkey-Kong Jr. than a king. With Gruff-Kong, you can tell he's been through some bad shit, a much better representation than an ape with a crooked tooth. Props go out to the FX team for listening up.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:21 p.m. CST

    No one knows if the CGI physics will get any better

    by Doc_Strange

    I think that was the prob

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    No one knows if the CGI physics will get any better

    by Doc_Strange

    Damn Enter button. Like I was saying, I think the problem was with the physics and realism of the CGI. The problem was, the monsters and the special FX moved more like cartoons than realistic characters. I have gone on record many times as to why they should have performers mo-cap characters as opposed to just rendering them and animating them in Maya or whatever plugin they're using these days for CGI characters. The human eye is so complex as to pick stuff like that up so the best way to get good creature performance is to have a human or animal depict the creature they're trying to achieve in order to get it to be more believeable. But hey, what do I know? I don't spend hundreds of millions getting crap CG shots in my movies, a la Spiderman 1 & 2.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Harry can change his mind whenever he feels like it, maybe Mori

    by RealDoubleJ

    Cause whether he intends to or not, it DOES come off looking like an advertisement. Even if he does say every time "hopefully by the end of the week i'll put up a review or two". Harry and Mori like to say they're really busy these days. Good for them. But if they had any respect for the people who liked/loved AICN for being a scooping website with it's finger on the pulse, then they would have handed over the reigns to someone who's got the time to do that....and that ain't Quint. Don't want to knock anyone. I know it's also fashionable to say "oh well, that's the TB for you" but you will get Asshats on it just like you get Asshats on every forum, messageboard and chatroom. On the actual Kong photo, yeah, it does look better now. What would make it better is if someone had the balls to admit that they originally got it wrong, listened to the criticism, took it in, and thank the fans for pointing it out. Not acting as if they're doing us a service in improving their own picture to guarantee the moolah they spent and want back.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Looks better...

    by jimmy_009

    They shouldn't have released any of that teaser stuff yet, especially if you don't want bitching about it from the fan community. Or maybe that's why they did it, so they could hear about what wasn't working and fix it.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Looks nice

    by moviemaniac-7

    But I was going to see it no matter what it looked like. But it seems that people at Weta have been clocking overtime by redoing Kong.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    So King Kong has been the background since 9/11? Harry, were you

    by Mahaloth


  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Yup...that's a different looking monkey

    by barryap

    Not news.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:33 p.m. CST

    The REAL Kong...

    by NightArrows Rossie O'Donnel after being kicked out of the TGIFriday's All You Can Eat Buffet because she fucking emptied the shrimp bucket into her gaping maw in one swallow. Hell I bet if she didn't shave herself down daily then Jackson could save all that cash on CGI and spend it on Rosie. Just pay her in hamburger meat and crisco!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I think it makes sense to have him look older and meaner...

    by Flummage

    ...because the eventuall journey that we see him go through, he basically falls in love, fights to save her, gets ripped from his home, then forced to his death in a place he doesn't understand. It's gonna make the journey more accute. Plus I like the way it gives him a history, a sense that Kong was fighting his biggest battles long before any of them where even born.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:43 p.m. CST

    He's less zoologically accurate now -- and that's a good

    by odysseus

    Since KING KONG is supposed to be fantasy, I'm glad they're making him look more "monstrous" than merely "oversized gorilla." While I liked the earlier version, I definitley felt a little letdown by the realism.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The whole Tooth or not the Tooth?

    by Rhett Butler

    If you check out WETA

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I gotta say

    by pentepug

    The kong on the left looks much more likely to fall for a little blonde number.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:50 p.m. CST

    It;'s not looks like a digital paint renderin

    by watashiwadare

    The movie is notable for it's PR now, as opposed to genuine fascination-- which is to say also that a lot of ppl think being targeted consumers for a PR campaign is a great honor.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Kong went on the PJ diet.

    by MasterWhedon

    Looks good.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:01 p.m. CST

    ps: You Can't Handle the Tooth!

    by Rhett Butler

    Sorry, it was just waiting there. . .

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Is One-Eyed Captain Panaka in this one?

    by BNITT

    I sure hope so. You need Kong to flatten his cynical ass!!!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:06 p.m. CST

    dat toof

    by Blue_Demon

    I like the new face. The tooth-outside-the-lip thing made him look kind of dopey, but damned if it didn't start to grow on me. Regardless, I think the tooth may still be slightly out of place in Kong's jaw as some pics of him roaring show it riding farther out than the rest of his choppers ( yeah, I'm geeky enough to notice stuff like that ). This looks like it's going to be a great movie. AND, we're also getting the original on dvd.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by acroyear77

    Only a geek like Harry has a sharp eye for such detail. O my gawd, big buddy, you made my day.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Rhett Butler

    by DocPazuzu

    Kudos, sir.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Shore out, newton howard in?

    by Godardwhowhatnow

    What's up with the rumor that Shore's score was scrapped in favor of a james newton howard do over?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:29 p.m. CST

    He is now the Harrison Ford of giant apes

    by Terry_1978

    And you can quote me on that.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Does this represent a overhaul of the films KONG?

    by uberman

    If so, wouldnt that mean that all the pre-film merchandise that has already been crafted is now mis-representative of the film? BTW: The look is an improvement-he needs to be a scary as all hell. AFter all, this is the mother of all 'monster' movies. Save the sentiments for Disney. Even in the original, you never get all warm and fuzzy for KONG. He is a bit of a terror.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Shore's Kong Score Rejected!!!!

    by ddecatur is reporting that Howard Shore's score for King Kong has been rejected and will be replaced with one by James Newton Howard

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:42 p.m. CST


    by nofate

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Kong's Dong

    by aikimoe

    Apes (and especially gorillas) have much smaller genitalia relative to body size than humans do. I'm assuming Kong's fur will hide his little jewels.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    that buck tooth looks so funny now in comparison, we dodged a cl

    by the_man_from_Rio

    this new KONG looks ready to kill the ape who slapped his mama. we all know this is the one film to rule all.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 3:55 p.m. CST

    RE: Semaj

    by Sinisterjim

    UN-FUCKIN'-REAL!!! Just checked it out, and if it is true, that is fucked up! If Jackson made the decision (which I STRONGLY doubt!), I can support it to an extent, but at this late in the game, to start over can only mean a lesser score. I have a feeling it's another studio decision, similar to the Troy situation, probably a little too 'classic' for what the think audiences want...hope this is all BS. I like James Newton Howard, but he just seems like the go-to guy at the 11th hour sometimes. Batman Begins score was fantastic though!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4 p.m. CST


    by LeckoManiac

    Man that was a great comment...made me laugh out loud thank you

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Kong is supposed to look intimidating, but I wouldn't call h

    by Terry_1978

    The real villains of the piece are several of the humans and the monsters he fights on Skull Island. He's always been both protagonist and antagnoist, depending on your point of view.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:28 p.m. CST

    The preceding item...

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...was brought to you by.....

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Uhm, Something's Not Right Here

    by cabsau

    Is this a joke? If it's an image from the film is Kong from some flashback scene? It actually looks like a man in a suit Every approved released image is the one we've all seen already. It looks like NewZealand is even releasing some stamp collection with the previous image. I'd personally be much more sympathetic to the older image. Also, I do not find this comparison anywhere on either.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Howard Shore's Score Rejected?!

    by cabsau

    James Newton Howard's unofficial site is listing him as replacing Howard Shore. Can anyone here verify that?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Don't worry GoatRectum, mebbe you can make your own damned K

    by Tubba-guts

    Then we can troll the shit outta you and savage it before we've seen a single frame. If you don't want to go see something that has been done to death, then don't fucking go see it. Why do you feel you have to share that bit of inane droolery with the rest of us? Fuckin' Adrian Brody didn't win an Oscar for nothing now did he? Hey bro, just 'cause you don't like the man personally doesn't mean you can't at least be objective about his acting talent. And from the production dairies, I'm actually more optimistic about Jack Black. But, we'll just hafta wait and see now won't we? All this before the fact bashing just shows how fucking stupid a lot of the people are who post here. That's like turning down a blowjob because you're a scared little virgin. Ooohhhh, dem teefs might hurt my lil' wee-wee so thanks but no thanks Ms. Hooker Lady. Hell, even the worst BJ ya ever got was still fantastic just like this movie'll probably turn out! Gawd a mighty, you'll never know unless ya give it a chance mate. As for this ol' boy, I'm betting PJ is gunna have a big hit on his hands just like he did with with that Fairey movie. Kong looks totally kick-ass in either of them damned pictures I think. Of course, all you pencil necks who are pissing and whinging about how he isn't showing any emotion don't even fucking realize you're looking at a snapshot and not a moving image. Fuckin' eejits one and all. Shoot man, it's cool looking forward to the second week in December again. Now, if only the damned suits would get offa their collective asses and greenlight the Hobbit, ol' PJ will have another huge hit on his hands. Hell yeah!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Huh?! Howard Shore's score has been dropped and James Newton

    by brokentusk

    I hope this turns out to be false, but both AND are reporting it. Love James Newton Howard, but Howard Shore's score being dropped? What the HELL is going on?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Holy bug shit!

    by Tubba-guts

    I hope that ain't true about Howard Shore.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'm sure you know all about Hillary's twat anchors

    by Tubba-guts

    You know you secretly want her bad right along with going down on PJ. Hell, I bet you'd masticate the dingus hairs on ol' Kong in a heartbeat. Fuckin' right wing twaddles and your obscene fixation with Hillary Clinton. Man, talk about your momma fixations. Get some help before your disease spreads to the rest of us normal folk. Not to mention you've probably ordered two sets of the Kong production dairies and have already dusted off a space on the shelf where your Anne Coulter penis statue resides to make room.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Method Kong

    by muddyfunster

    Just finished watching The Machinist - I'm guessing that the hairy one checked that movie out and decided the intensity of his performance would be enhanced by losing a few pounds...

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Dunno...somehow those images side by side

    by RobinP

    ..make me want to grunt "Name's Kong......King Kong". Anybody else with me on this or is it just me ?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:31 p.m. CST

    looks like thade from planet of the apes...

    by jig98


  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Kong will OWN all your asses!!!

    by mattw

    Wait, sorry, I meant to say, "You're all a bunch of dorks for caring about stupid crap like this." Do yourselves a favor and log off this site and go live your life before you end up like Harry.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    CONFIRMED: Shore leaves Kong beause of 'differing creative a

    by Muffin_Muncher

    Peter Jackson made the following statement: "I have greatly enjoyed my collaborations with Howard Shore, whose musical themes made immeasurable contributions to 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy. During the last few weeks, Howard and I came to realize that we had differing creative aspirations for the score of 'King Kong.' Rather than waste time arguing with a friend and trying to unify our points of view, we decided amicably to let another composer score the film. I'm looking forward to working with James Newton Howard, a composer whose work I've long admired, and I thank Howard Shore, whose talent is surpassed only by his graciousness."

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:45 p.m. CST

    CONFIRMED: Shore leaves Kong beause of 'differing creative a

    by Muffin_Muncher

    Peter Jackson made the following statement: "I have greatly enjoyed my collaborations with Howard Shore, whose musical themes made immeasurable contributions to 'The Lord of the Rings' trilogy. During the last few weeks, Howard and I came to realize that we had differing creative aspirations for the score of 'King Kong.' Rather than waste time arguing with a friend and trying to unify our points of view, we decided amicably to let another composer score the film. I'm looking forward to working with James Newton Howard, a composer whose work I've long admired, and I thank Howard Shore, whose talent is surpassed only by his graciousness."

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:46 p.m. CST


    by ZombieSolutions

    in a postmodernist action fiesta, the sense shattering sequel to KING KONG begins with our favorite (and not overused at all) giant ape being sucked into a TIME TUNNEL just after he appears to die... he is then hurled into the exciting world of 1982 where he meets DONKEY KONG. first they tussle; in fact, they almost kill each other (and even dabble in some mild rape)! after they have cooled down they realize that mankind is the real enemy and they need some poon. so together they plot to steal the womenz of various ethnic sterotype city laborers, contractors, steveadors, and plumbers and making them stand on top of girders and such. Then they hurl barrels and fireballs at the various day laborers who try in vain to get their girlfriends back. eventually one of the day laborers, MARIO, manages to get to the top of the blue girders, thereby collapsing the building and really fucking up the KONGs something fierce. It's amazing. (features a cameo of DENNIS HOPPER as the Koopa King!)

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Keep giving us the Kong info Harry as much as possible

    by Thirteen 13

    Because your really pissing the cynics off that want this film to fail. Just read the boards. They go batshit berserk angry over any kong link...yet...they still feel compelled to click on it and read the article anyway. LOL!!!!!! Oh I can't wait for this films release.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:54 p.m. CST

    So Kong is a work in progress and all those that critisized the

    by Orionsangels

    Owened bitches

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Should have been Stop-Motion animation

    by Psalmolive

    Fuck CGI. Their needs to be a renaissance in the field of stop-motion again. Wait until I release my stop-motion Tom Cruise movie- you'll think he's the real deal, only his better acting will betray his artifice!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6 p.m. CST

    Lets see what "James Newton Howard" has done, shall we...

    by Orionsangels

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Harry, your soulless pimping of this movie has made me lose all

    by Rowley Birkin QC

    AICN now seems less like a site dedicated to "cool news", a "scoop", "the lead" or "the skinny", and more like all-purpose flattery and shameless propaganda, a vehicle for someone with an eye on the movie industry. I no longer feel genuine film-geek excitement (no matter how many Errol Flynn movie titles you rattle off), only a sort of sick desperation in your half-assed "articles".

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Damn Jimmy Howard sure has one hell of a resum

    by seppukudkurosawa

    Ms Congeniality 2, Hidalgo (maybe Peter checked out his score for that equine masterpiece because it had his old buddy Viggo in), Disney's Treasure Planet, Kevin Bacon's Stir of Echoes, Dying Young and my personaly favourite, Space Jam. And those are just the films you MIGHT have heard of. This guy's career reads like Stephen King's new novel, "Trials of the Lumberjack Part IV: On Hacking".

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Be fair, folks...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...despite the fact that a lot of the movies and shows he's scored are crap, he's composed some marvelous soundtracks: Unbreakable, Dinosaur, WIng Commander, The Postman, Waterworld, and Wyatt Earp. Say what you want about those movies, but the scores were fantastic.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:25 p.m. CST


    by Flummage

    KING KONG IS NOT GAY! He love Katie Holmes, and all you can do is continue too perpetuate your bigoted propaganda!!! You my friend. Are one mighty Studly. Gentleman.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:33 p.m. CST


    by Quin the Eskimo

    does he play baseball?

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Kongphiles scare me.

    by IMMORTAL-1

    I think you should shut down registration until all this Kongphile business dies down. How can you diss Browncoats than call yourself a Kongphile???

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 6:51 p.m. CST

    I don't like any of these images. In fact, I hate both, and

    by Gilkuliehe


  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:03 p.m. CST

    How is this not newsworthy...I think its cool to see the evoluti

    by Jon E Cin

    Everyone just complaining all the time on here. This is a movie yes..this is newsworthy. I actually find it interesting that Kong has changed so much.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by Mr Brownstone

    that is a MAJOR improvement.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:22 p.m. CST

    What does "own your ass" mean?

    by Wee Willie

    Does it mean that the movie King Kong will take possession of my ass through some kind of real estate or slavery-type agreement? How exactly does one "own" and ass? Unless of course you mean my donkey, Clyde. In which case the movie King Kong is welcome to him. The lazy bastard.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Harry has way to much time on his hands.

    by The Founder

    Seriously Harry. I can accept that you're a Kong junkie, but you're taking it to the extreme.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:30 p.m. CST

    anchorite, I wish I was the "hack" James Newton Howard is...

    by aikimoe

    ...wildly successful, prolific, respected by his peers. It looks like his biggest mistake has been not checking with you before he accepts a gig.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Wee Willie on the owning of one's ass

    by Neosamurai85

    All I can say is, I don't think it's legal on the East Coast. Peace.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Yay, another King Kong thread (sarcasm)

    by IAmLegolas

    And this is coming from a Peter Jackson fan (even before the LOTR films) and someone who is looking forward to seeing the film. Enough already...

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:48 p.m. CST

    All Cheer

    by Trik

    The movie that didn't need to be made

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Speaking of getting one's ass owned.

    by IAmLegolas

    Looks like AICN got scooped on a more threadworthy KK news tidbit of Howard Shore leaving the production! Add another KK thread to the pile!!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Legolas (by the way I really liked your review of one of the LOT

    by seppukudkurosawa

    You just know there's going to be yet another thread about the fact Shore's been chucked out of Kong. More monkey mayhem ensues. Unless I see a shiny empty talkback, I don't think I'm going to have any part of it. You can only have so much Se

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 8:40 p.m. CST

    "The movie that didn't need to be made"

    by aikimoe

    This can be translated into: The movie I'm not interested in. And since what I'm not interested in is, by definition, unimportant, the people who ARE interested in it, the people that work to make it, they're all terribly mistaken to have wasted their time.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 9:51 p.m. CST


    by fxmulder35

    YES! MUCH better!

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 9:59 p.m. CST

    He looks too mean now

    by Rupee88

    and too old too. I like the first pic better although the "wonky" tooth is not missed in the new one. It's tough to tell from just one still photo though and I'm sure he will look amazing. If they could make Gollum look pretty good, they should be able to make Kong look superb.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 9:59 p.m. CST

    More sad news, Kong leaves Kong

    by Orionsangels

    Peter Jackson made the following statement: "I have greatly enjoyed my collaborations with King Kong, whose original movie made immeasurable contributions to science fiction and fantasy. During the last few weeks, Kong and I came to realize that we had differing creative aspirations for where the new KING KONG should go. Rather than waste time arguing with a dear friend like Kong and trying to unify our points of view, we decided amicably to let another monkey star in the film. I'm looking forward to working with bubbles the chimp, a chmip I long admired, and I thank Kong, whose talent is surpassed only by his graciousness. Wait, what am i saying? Fuck you Kong! bitch"

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 10:01 p.m. CST

    more Kong

    by Rupee88

    Harry, I think Kong is great too, and you should feature as much Kong on this site as your heart tells you to.

  • A movie that didn't need to be made is a movie that tells a story that has already been told ad nauseum. A film whose remake's only justification is modern moviemaking, ei, FX, music, cinematography, etc. Examples would be Psycho (1998), Godzilla (1998) and Kong (2005). By contrast, for example, Manos: The Hands of Fate, typically regarded as the worst movie ever made, had to be made. Why? Because that particular story hasn't been told on cinema and therefore the film needed to be made. Kong does not. But, as an FX artist, I'm glad movies like this are being made for my own livelihood, not for this film in particular but in general. As for the regular movie going public, I don't particularly get why they'd be interested.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 10:18 p.m. CST

    I dunno, the reason the general public would be interested,

    by aikimoe

    is precisely because of new FX, music, cinematography, etc., all of which has become much more sophisticated since the 30's. Plus they've thoroughly enjoyed Jackson's previous efforts. If an artist feels the NEED to make a movie, regardless of anyone else, then that movie NEEDED to be made. In Kong's case, Jackson has wanted to make it for years and millions upon millions of people are LOOKING FORWARD to seeing it, despite the superior tastes of I Dunno and Trik.

  • Oct. 14, 2005, 11:54 p.m. CST

    I just can't get past that king kong Font. Man, I just loath

    by TheGinger Twit

    It shouldn't be in all caps. and it should have a more classic times new roman look - not times new roman, but something elegant. Not big block KING KONG. alls I'm saying... it's to much.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Hrm... this is like young Elvis vs old Elvis on the stamp

    by Immortal_Fish

    I think Keitel Kong loses out to Corky Kong. The scruffier one doesn't urge the same level of sympathy in me.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Biggest shit pile?

    by droids22

    Wonder who makes the biggest shit pile? Kong or T-Rex? Man! Bet'll take them forever to find that cell phone! Maybe they'll have a poop off or something, CG style...

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Is it really better? or is it just a better resolution pic? with

    by TheGinger Twit


  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:49 a.m. CST

    The second face is better, but...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...does it have enough innocence? Yes, Kong is a grizzled warrior, but ultimately he is a victim.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Ok, in all seriousness, If this were an actual story...

    by I Dunno

    It's really hard to compare the two because of the vastly different lighting. Honestly, errant tooth aside, the first one looks more realistic. The second one looks more dramatic but also more cartoonish. That might not work, given the inevitably cartoonish nature of the movement and general physics of the CGI beats. In other words, MAN IN SUIT!!!1

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 2 a.m. CST

    That looks a Hell of alot better.

    by pencil-man

    No kidding, where is Kevin Smith's reaction?

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Old Kong

    by ghj

    I like the new look, but I hope Kong doesn't look too old in the film. An old man (or monkey) falling for an attractive younger woman would kind of ruin the Kong-Ann romance angle for me.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 2:48 a.m. CST

    I prefer the old one, except for the tooth.

    by Lord_Soth

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 5:03 a.m. CST

    I preferred the first one too

    by Ribbons

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 5:44 a.m. CST


    by Swarmy

    ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... umm a couple lines on Kong's face are different how excit...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Actually, both Kongs will be in the film

    by Miami Mofo

    The first picture shows Kong as he appears on Skull Island. It is only after Kong is rejected by Ann Darrow that he decides to travel to New York so that he can get his teeth fixed by the best oral surgeon he can find. While there Kong joins a health club in order to drop the few hundred extra pounds he's been carrying. All this just to impress a girl. It is only after that bitch Darrow slaps a restraining order on him that he goes apeshit and starts busting up N.Y.C.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 8:32 a.m. CST

    'I feel this face is just full of character'

    by Lone Fox

    Isn't that exactly what you said about the first image when that was first seen? Well, credit to Jackson, he realised an overexaggerated cartoon face and protruding fang DON'T equal instant characterisation. Whoop-de-doo.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 9:31 a.m. CST


    by JDanielP

    Yeah, the new one brings a much higher level of realism, raising the sense of "being there" ...and pulls you closer, as if Kong is the real deal. I think it will only help the movie succeed. And yeah, Kong shows much more character, with a lifetime of battle scars. It looks more and more like Harry is going to get his dream motion picture.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Um, yeah....

    by movieman742

    Does it really matter which kong they use. This movie has about as much interest in me to see it as did Gigli. Who needs a remake when the original is still a good movie. All this one will be is "fake" due to the large amounts of CGI. I'll stick with the original.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Hey, that's what I thought too Miami!

    by morGoth

    Pretty staggering that we're so beamed in on the same thought. Amazing I tell'ee! ** YackBacker: Harry had that shot of the White House getting blasted in the movie Independance Day as the site backgound. After 9/11 he (correctly) thought it wasn't cool to have that so he switched BACk to the Kong background. Otherwise, Harry's mentioned many times that the original kong is his fav movie...long before it was announced PJ was going to do his re-make. That answer your question?

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Kong is a dork

    by Hate_Speech

    King of the Monkey dorks on MonkeyDork Island. Donkey Kong could kick his ass.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 12:24 p.m. CST

    'Harry had that shot of the White House getting blasted in t

    by Lone Fox

    It took 9/11 for him to realise he was using an image from one of the worst films in history?

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 1:51 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by Kyle.Reese

    I'm sick of all the praise Peter Jackson, Lord of The Rings and King Kong has got on this site. I reckon they should just change the name from Aint It Cool to the Peter Jackson fansite.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Think that looks tons better

    by Gheorghe Zamfir

    and I never had much of a problem with that original image in the the first place, but yea, nice improvement. Hopefully the actually CGI is making similar strides, that first trailer looked terrible.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I think you're on to something there Yackbacker.

    by morGoth

    The real question is this: WHY would Harry want Kong at his house? I mean, wouldn't people just think it was Father Geek anyway and not pay any attention? Dam, now I'll stew about this for the rest of the weekend! I think I'll go for a beer and cheet on Kong's wife. ** Lone Fox...what does that have to do with individual taste? I think we all have our guilty little pleasures...loving something that we know to be, shall we say, less than stellar. Harry has always gone for the bubbling fan approach over hard and critical objectivity, yes? Kinda refreshing really.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Independence Day was hardly one of the worst movies ever.

    by I Dunno

    Yes, I recognize the plot holes and the goofy characters and the MacIntosh hacking the alien computer but it was an alien invasion movie. It was based on the cheesy 1950's flying saucer movies that are generally thought of as classics. The FX were out of that magical time after CGI was invented and before it was overused for everything. And it had a President sporting a flight suit before it became a PR stunt. I'll take ID4 over Spielberg's War of the Worlds any day.

  • Oct. 15, 2005, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Pepsi or Coke?

    by mansuper

    Big fucking difference.

  • Oct. 16, 2005, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Looks cool! :)

    by Fugazi32

    Damn, hurry up Dec. 14!!!

  • Oct. 16, 2005, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Good Lord

    by Mister Man

    Can this place get any more lame? Between Morty's rants, and Harry's obsessions, there needs to be a bit more substance. Wait, let's start comparing the hair color of Bond actors.

  • Oct. 16, 2005, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Independence Day wasn't any sort of homage to 50's B mov

    by Lone Fox

    That's paying it way too much credit. It was a shit film. The end. Try not being American and watching it. You'll be reaching for the razorblades

  • Well they also blew up that auditorium thing in Sydney. I'm not saying that ID4 wasn't goofy and poorly written but it did have some good action and FX and likeable characters. Most movies of its type don't even have that going for them.

  • Oct. 16, 2005, 2:51 p.m. CST

    An American's Opinion of Independence Day

    by Shaw

    Horrible, just horrible.

  • Oct. 16, 2005, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Actually it looks like Kong never showed up for this movie in th

    by watashiwadare

    what a fake ass movie!

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 10:49 a.m. CST

    ID4 better than War of the Worlds? WTF?

    by NightArrows

    "I'll take ID4 over Spielberg's War of the Worlds any day." What the FUCK? You should be shaved down and dragged behind a tricycle riden by Kong for that statement. That is, without a doubt, the worst thing I have ever heard anyone say in here in all these years, and it sums up your tastes in movies. Spielberg's War may not have been perfect, but it was lightyears ahead of that Taco Bell cup piece of shit ID4, and the TriPod scenes are pure cinema magic. You're Randy Quaid's love child aren't you? Eat some ebola and shit your tastes out!

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 1:18 p.m. CST

    How can images be lively?


    What does that mean, "the images look so unlively?" It's a CGI ape that doesn't look like something out of Jumanji. What else is it supposed to be? On an unrelated note, I thought the first half of Independence Day was great. (That first day.) And then the second half was total poop. I thought War of The Worlds was going to be another work of genius through the first quarter of the flick. Then I caught on to the fact that Spielberg was just paying homage to all of his own movies via what amounts to an extended chase scene. And the ending with those Nosferatu grandparents by the door was inexcusably atrocious. Still, though, as a movie it was a thousand times better than Independence Day. The cinematography alone is breathtaking at times.

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hackson read the talkbacks here dissing the trailer and the CGI.

    by The_Lion

    So he went back to the drawing board. I only wish Hackson would have admitted at the time that fans were let down by the lackluster trailer.

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 6:14 p.m. CST

    I agree completely with greatn

    by Jaka

    That's all really. I'm going to see this film, I've already decided. So I'm actually trying to stay away from any real "news". Have to admit I do fall on the side of liking the new pic more though.

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 7:51 p.m. CST

    If They Just Changed the Look of Kong....

    by Harker-Writes

    ....what happened to all the merchandise that was already in production!!!

  • Oct. 17, 2005, 9:31 p.m. CST

    The_Lion, that is SO great! "HACKson!"

    by aikimoe

    Whoa, man! You replaced "Jack" with "Hack"! That is HILARIOUS!! No wonder the most powerful people in Hollywood care so much about what's said on this board! With cleverness THAT intense, they'd be crazy not to! I mean, I can't believe he didn't realize that people like you didn't like the trailer and IMMEDIATELY make the changes you demanded! Still, keep up the GREAT work! Heh..."Hackson"...amazing..!