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Published on Friday, September 30, 2005 - 2:05am |
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Moriarty Finds A Little SERENITY! But Will The Fans'!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
SERENITY fans scare me.
I’ve enjoyed Joss Whedon’s work for a while now. When I first met Hercules The Strong, the first thing that we bonded over was BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which we both confessed a fondness for. At the time, the show was in its fourth year, I think, and there was still the feeling that it was this underrated secret happening on Tuesday nights. Running into another fan was fun because you could finally talk about it without having people stare at you like you’d just shit in their hands. I had a wildly mixed reaction to ANGEL during its time on the air, but I think its last season was one of the best things on TV that year, and it really allowed the show to go out on a high note.
When FIREFLY hit the air, I didn’t watch it. I tried one episode, but the way Fox scheduled it and the way they treated it in subsequent weeks kept me from tuning in again. It seemed like too much work to even find the thing, much less to sort out the chronology of something that had obviously been gooched by the network from day one. It wasn’t until they put the series out on DVD that I was able to give it a chance...
... and I liked it. A lot. In fact, that Christmas, I ended up giving away ten or twelve copies of the box set to friends and family so that they could give it a chance themselves. I’ve been a voracious reader of science-fiction since I was a kid, and for the most part, SF on TV has always been for children. I had to laugh when Harry listed off the shows he thought were superior to FIREFLY the other day, like AUTOMAN or MAN FROM ATLANTIS or MISFITS OF SCIENCE. TV has been a wasteland for science-fiction for much of my life, and that sort of juvenile lowest-common-denominator dreck is exactly why. FIREFLY was obviously inspired by SF literature, and not previous TV shows. The approach to history, culture, and science in the show was impressive, and I liked that it was dense. You had to really pay attention to mine all the information in each episode, and it rewarded repeat viewings.
Hercules and I were invited to visit the set of SERENITY when they were shooting the film at Universal, and it was admittedly pretty cool to tour the actual ship set, a fairly massive fully-encompassing environment. I’m used to sets that are broken up so that they don’t feel real when you stand on them. That wasn’t the case with the Serenity, though. You could walk from one end to the other, and then walk across a set into another much larger set, and all of it felt interconnected. The day we were there, we saw them shooting the scene where River (Summer Glau) sees a video screen with something on it, and it triggers a very particular reaction in her. I’m tiptoeing around the spoiler because it’s a pretty big moment in the movie. As we watched, we talked with Nathan Fillion, who plays Mal, the ship’s captain, and also with Joss and with producer Barry Mandel. Watching Herc wheel himself around the sets, seeing him face to face with Joss Whedon, it was a pretty remarkable moment. He was a happy, happy man. He was definitely the most outwardly expressive Whedon fan on the set that day.
In the months since then, as they’ve done the sneak screenings on these movies around the country and the... god, do I really have to call you “Browncoats”? Even “Trekkie” has more dignity as a nomenclature. Whatever you call yourselves, you’ve spent the time since the first screening slowly but surely poisoning the rest of fandom with an aggressive, obnoxious zeal that makes even the most heavily made-up dude speaking Klingon at a convention at the Ramada seem middle-of-the-road and normal. You’ve had some truly horrific spokespeople preaching the gospel of SERENITY in a way that had almost convinced me not to even see it before opening weekend, so I could just sit this one out. Once the invite came for the all-media, though, I knew I wanted to see it there, hoping that, for once, a theater full of media reporters would be the perfect atmosphere.
Ultimately, I think SERENITY will appeal most directly to those who are already converted. I don’t think this is going to transform everyone into raving SERENITY lunatics. This isn’t going to be a white-hot cultural phenomenon. This isn’t going to be breaking any records. But it may spawn some sequels, and it will definitely keep the SERENITY cult alive and well for a while, and if Universal’s done their job right setting up this weekend, it might even open to a surprising number.
As a fan of FIREFLY, I thought the film did a really nice job of expanding and enhancing the mythology of the show that already exists. As an impartial observer, I thought the opening ten minutes did a nice job of setting up what the uninitiated need to know, even if it is a bit dense with exposition. As a fan, I liked what they did with almost every character. The only places that felt like they were just shoehorned in were the romantic moments between Kaylee (Jewel Staite) and Simon (Sean Maher) and between Mal and Inara (Morena Baccarin). This is not a long film. Every scene is pushing the story forward. Those interludes feel too calculated to really carry any impact in the film. I know, I know... if Whedon didn’t include them, half his fanbase would have torn up the theater seats and slashed the screens in fury. He writes great soap opera, and I’d have more respect for the hardest of the hardcore if they would admit that the soap opera is what keeps them hooked like crackheads. It’s always been Whedon’s secret weapon on his TV shows. The reason BUFFY Seasons Two and Three are generally the best liked of the entire run is because it’s the most intense blend of soap opera and horror, with the end of the whole Giles/Jenny arc giving Joss his first truly defining moment. His work depends on you building long-term relationships with the characters, so that when he abuses them and when he torments them and when he tests them, you empathize deeply. You can’t help it. You’re completely sucked in, and it’s the soap opera of it, the “Ohmygodnohedidn’tjustdothat” of it. Still, I think the film would have been stronger if it had been implied more than overt. It’s the one place where newcomers to the material are really going to feel like they’ve walked in on the middle of something.
Again... treading lightly so as not to ruin whatever surprises there are for you as a viewer, I’ll say that I like that the movie plays rough. Still, it only really affects me as a FIREFLY fan. As an impartial observer, I’d have to say that I wasn’t really sure why the particular deaths that may or may not happen, as many or as few as there might be, don’t strike me that hard because not enough time was spent in the film setting up why these relationships, whatever they are, are important. As a fan, I was really surprised by some of the choices, and I like that there’s a permanence here that no comic book or early Whedon TV show would have promised. I get the feeling that people stay dead in the world of SERENITY.
Jack Green, who shot the film, does a heck of a good job of trying to spice up Whedon’s shooting style, and there are many places where it works. There’s a different energy here than on Whedon’s TV shows. There’s a different sort of propulsive quality to his style. The best set pieces really cut together nicely, like an early escape from a Reaver ship after a robbery. It’s a little bit STAGECOACH, it’s a little bit RETURN OF THE JEDI. There are all sorts of obvious influences in this picture, everything from BLADE RUNNER and THE FIFTH ELEMENT to WWII films. Whedon’s not a blatant thief, though. He’s just a guy who loves a lot of the same things I do, and who’s definitely running his own riffs on certain ideas. It seems like the comic book world supports this sort of creativity most. It’s what made Frank Miller famous. Kurt Busiek’s ASTRO CITY is one of my favorite ongoing examples. Alan Moore is sort of the gold standard of this kind of writer. They take characters or archetypes and they bend and twist them to see what happens. It’s a reaction to pop culture that actually contributes something new instead of just being a regurgitation. For that alone, I think Whedon deserves some credit. I don’t think this is anywhere near as sweeping or epic as STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE tried to be. That film was aiming at 2001 as the high watermark to match or even beat. With STAR TREK 2, though, they were working to launch a film franchise. They wanted to get new viewers onboard, and they wanted to make you care, and they wanted to get you hooked into the larger story of what’s going to happen to all these characters, and they had to survive on their own, mavericks, completely out from anyone else’s control. That’s the sort of film that SERENITY wants to be, and as such, I think it’s pretty successful. I don’t think SERENITY’s had time to build the same size cult as STAR TREK, and I can only imagine how much more obnoxious you’re going to be if that does happen, so for now, I don’t think this is going to cross over to quite the same size of mainstream acceptance.
But give it some time. This is a rich world. There are so many things that sell me on it. I love the use of the Chinese slang. It says a lot about what sort of political or economic changes the world may have been through before the events of this film even began. It’s a great way to make the world more persuasive, and that sort of attention to detail is what sells the reality for me.
I think the third act sort of stinks, and while I like the idea of Mr. Universe as a character, David Krumholtz is deeply miscast. I don’t believe him as this guy connected to everything, watching everything. He’s too young, too sane, too unaffected. I wish the film had played with the character and the idea of the signal in a smarter way, like an intergalactic NETWORK. Mal and his crew are mad as hell, and they’re not going to take it anymore. Instead, it devolves into a fist fight and a gun fight, and while both are staged well, neither ultimately worked for me. I thought it was too much sound and fury when the film should be getting down to its big ideas, some real human drama. It seems like the build-up is all so cool, so interesting, that it almost can’t help but be a disappointment when it turns into just another action movie.
I had a good time. I enjoyed most of the film. My gripes are small gripes, and it’s more a reaction to the things I liked than it is any major complaint. I just wanted more. I wanted it to be a great movie, and not just a good one. I think it’s a heck of an extension of what’s come before, and I hope the fanbase is enough to make the film a modest hit in theaters and a continual hit on DVD. I hope the fanbase is enough for us to get a second movie, since I think this cast is just warming up, and telling a story without having to handle all the introductions could set them free to do something much cooler. And having said all of that, the “Browncoats” are still going to be abusive and unpleasant and pushy and belligerent in the Talkback below. If they’re not, I’ll be openly amazed. They’ve hijacked Talkback after Talkback on wildly unrelated topics, so I’m sure they’ll do the same here. That’s a shame, and if anything keeps people away from theaters this weekend, it will be the zealotry of a fanbase that makes others feel unwelcome, even if they’re enjoying the same thing you are.
I’ve still got to finish transcribing my Cronenberg interview, so I’ll get back to that. Until then...

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Reader Talkback
I saw a brown coat... by Some Dude | Sep 30th, 2005 02:20:42 AM | Person I went with was a
Firefly virgin (and pretty
much a Whedo by elab49 | Sep 30th, 2005 02:23:48 AM | BATTLESTAR GALACTICA by TheRealMoriarty | Sep 30th, 2005 02:28:04 AM | Hey Mo... by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 02:28:06 AM | Mori, by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 02:33:14 AM | It IS true that Firefly has
some ridiculously obnoxious
fans by Praetor | Sep 30th, 2005 02:40:54 AM | That's it Praetor by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 02:45:00 AM | I can't afford a house.. by Praetor | Sep 30th, 2005 02:50:39 AM | a little mood music please by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 02:55:05 AM | Angel Season 5 is not the best by Neo Zeed | Sep 30th, 2005 03:00:53 AM | Serenity BITES!!! by abigaildb69 | Sep 30th, 2005 03:01:54 AM | Again, maybe it's a bias
thing... by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 03:08:56 AM | Abigail by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:11:55 AM | Hey Ribbons by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:15:57 AM | And yes... by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 03:18:32 AM | Man-in-the-Box by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 03:19:49 AM | Should be fun big R by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:23:43 AM | There's never a wrong time
to mention you like fires by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 03:26:33 AM | As I said in another
talkback.... by Andy Dufresne | Sep 30th, 2005 03:27:15 AM | Andy, by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:31:17 AM | Are you new to the internet? by IMMORTAL-1 | Sep 30th, 2005 03:31:52 AM | Mr. IMMORTAL, by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:36:37 AM | Sorry man-in-the-box by Andy Dufresne | Sep 30th, 2005 03:39:03 AM | That's the duality, by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 03:46:09 AM | Man in the box by optimus122 | Sep 30th, 2005 04:09:43 AM | Well, by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 04:12:39 AM | Whoa there, optimus by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 04:17:35 AM | I fault the parents. by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 04:21:59 AM | Nah, that's okay by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 04:24:57 AM | I won't go and see this at
the cinema because of the
Brownco by supertoyslast | Sep 30th, 2005 04:25:59 AM | Toys Last by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 04:33:47 AM | by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 04:42:25 AM | By all means by Man-in-the-Box | Sep 30th, 2005 04:46:05 AM | To Moriarty with Un-Love... by WillowFan2001 | Sep 30th, 2005 06:05:12 AM | WillowFan by MemBirdman | Sep 30th, 2005 06:13:46 AM | Hey I like Firefly too... by Wungolioth | Sep 30th, 2005 07:10:26 AM | Damnit.... by Wungolioth | Sep 30th, 2005 07:18:35 AM | the shrink: Re: Movies from TV
flops by TheTARDIS | Sep 30th, 2005 07:20:46 AM | It's not just the
Browncoat's fault by photoboy | Sep 30th, 2005 07:22:42 AM | "Obnoxious", that's the
word I used in Harry's
thread by I Dunno | Sep 30th, 2005 07:24:31 AM | Photoboy by thomasgaffney | Sep 30th, 2005 07:26:45 AM | moriarty, i have a joke for
you... by jig98 | Sep 30th, 2005 07:29:28 AM | This Talkback Won't Really
Take Off Until Tonay / Tubgirl
To by ZombieSolutions | Sep 30th, 2005 07:36:41 AM | Moriarty... by AeroB | Sep 30th, 2005 07:37:15 AM | Talkback Hijack by thomasgaffney | Sep 30th, 2005 07:51:28 AM | Restart by MaguaSynfield | Sep 30th, 2005 07:56:01 AM | A bit underwhelmed about the
reviews here by The Paladin | Sep 30th, 2005 07:57:25 AM | Ribbons is right, gasoline is
too expensive by The Dude Abides | Sep 30th, 2005 08:11:53 AM | Points by idledead | Sep 30th, 2005 08:19:39 AM | hottoq by Vision | Sep 30th, 2005 08:20:20 AM | Silly by fxmulder35 | Sep 30th, 2005 08:20:29 AM | Point #4 by idledead | Sep 30th, 2005 08:22:51 AM | Somehow I knew this would be
the reaction...only it skews
more t by Drath | Sep 30th, 2005 08:32:23 AM | JUDGING A FILM BY IT'S FAN
BASE? by ripper t. jones | Sep 30th, 2005 08:46:49 AM | "Hercules and I were invited
to visit the set of SERENITY "
+ "W by performingmonkey | Sep 30th, 2005 08:50:17 AM | My coat is a brownish color... by Mick The Knife | Sep 30th, 2005 08:51:36 AM | Rotten Tomatoes Has It At
80-pecent positive by Hercules | Sep 30th, 2005 09:07:09 AM | If you judge a film by whether
or not you enjoyed it, as
opposed by FluffyUnbound | Sep 30th, 2005 09:09:02 AM | A Better Review by Sean38 | Sep 30th, 2005 09:30:41 AM | It's true that the movie
is not nearly as good as the
series by AeroB | Sep 30th, 2005 09:36:50 AM | Of course SERENITY will do
well by IAmLegolas | Sep 30th, 2005 09:42:54 AM | The problem with talkback
hijacking... by Zino | Sep 30th, 2005 09:58:50 AM | fanatic fans? by capt jack aubrey | Sep 30th, 2005 09:59:20 AM | Good review by Mafu | Sep 30th, 2005 10:18:35 AM | ..and that makes us mighty. by Billyeveryteen | Sep 30th, 2005 10:39:34 AM | Abusive fans in TALKBACK?!? by Palhaco | Sep 30th, 2005 10:49:04 AM | watched the firefly marathon
the other day by fried samurai | Sep 30th, 2005 11:02:26 AM | Not a Whedonite... by the Grobe | Sep 30th, 2005 11:09:30 AM | Browncoats... by eviltwin | Sep 30th, 2005 11:47:55 AM | SAVEFARSCAPE demands you go
see Serenity by Obredaan | Sep 30th, 2005 11:53:01 AM | Nerds are sensitive people by Basghetti | Sep 30th, 2005 12:08:07 PM | TimmyTheCat by Basghetti | Sep 30th, 2005 12:13:20 PM | by Basghetti | Sep 30th, 2005 12:14:52 PM | exactly what I was talking
about in my last post,
TimmyTheCat by I Dunno | Sep 30th, 2005 12:19:56 PM | Science Fiction Novels that
should be made into films: by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 12:21:15 PM | Make Hih Rise High Rise and
you'll know what the hell
I' by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 12:21:48 PM | Timmy, brethren, relax OK? by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 12:30:29 PM | Browncoats and Battlestar
Galactica by The Funketeer | Sep 30th, 2005 12:38:27 PM | I had my suspicions by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 12:45:26 PM | Claudia Puig by CatVutt | Sep 30th, 2005 12:46:42 PM | Science Fiction Novels that
should be made into films by MaguaSynfield | Sep 30th, 2005 01:01:14 PM | Funketeer has hit it on the
head. by EeterOfWurldz | Sep 30th, 2005 01:07:42 PM | The reaction from friends at
work by zekmoe | Sep 30th, 2005 01:09:24 PM | Moriarty I think your
criticisms are a little
misguided. by wato | Sep 30th, 2005 01:10:04 PM | Hey Magua thanks for that info by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 02:01:35 PM | Angel and Buffy are 2 of the
best shows ever on television! by GravyAkira | Sep 30th, 2005 02:07:33 PM | Timmy the cat & racist
poetry... by Nate Champion | Sep 30th, 2005 02:34:51 PM | Please don't humour this
guy anymore, I think anyone
who' by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 02:44:05 PM | I have a legitimate question
about Fire Fly.. by Doom II | Sep 30th, 2005 02:59:10 PM | WHAT MORE COULD WE WANT THIS
WEEK !! by zathras34 | Sep 30th, 2005 03:30:21 PM | Special Effects by Obredaan | Sep 30th, 2005 03:31:06 PM | "and the person who could
adapt Forever Wars into a
stageplay mu by MaguaSynfield | Sep 30th, 2005 03:34:06 PM | I saw one of the advance
screenings of Serenity back in
May and by Barry Egan | Sep 30th, 2005 03:35:39 PM | RoyRogers is right by IAmLegolas | Sep 30th, 2005 03:53:36 PM | Some things to note... by Childe Roland | Sep 30th, 2005 04:30:54 PM | by Obredaan | Sep 30th, 2005 04:35:01 PM | GoatZinger by Obredaan | Sep 30th, 2005 04:35:38 PM | "Browncoats" by Bryan | Sep 30th, 2005 04:39:32 PM | Inspiration by the Grobe | Sep 30th, 2005 05:07:34 PM | Watch Out For The Space
Zombies, River!!! by ZombieSolutions | Sep 30th, 2005 05:14:53 PM | I just read quite a stuffy and
formal review where the
fanbase w by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 05:17:50 PM | "Critics generally don't
like sci-fi genre films" by Gheorghe Zamfir | Sep 30th, 2005 05:26:32 PM | by daroe | Sep 30th, 2005 05:26:49 PM | Brock Tune by seppukudkurosawa | Sep 30th, 2005 05:42:37 PM | Actually both Dark City and
Blade Runner were favorably
reviewed by Gheorghe Zamfir | Sep 30th, 2005 06:24:10 PM | Folks, keep in mind that
Moriarty and Harry both gave
gushing go by Thirteen 13 | Sep 30th, 2005 06:37:26 PM | I repeat Firefly has Fans?? by onefalsemove | Sep 30th, 2005 06:44:45 PM | I don't know why anyone is
bitching about the reviews by Gheorghe Zamfir | Sep 30th, 2005 06:45:46 PM | I know now why I don't
bother posting anymore. by cutest_of_borg | Sep 30th, 2005 06:49:05 PM | I DON'T GET IT!!!!! by hauptman | Sep 30th, 2005 06:51:01 PM | TimmyTheCat by cutest_of_borg | Sep 30th, 2005 06:53:21 PM | cutest_of_borg... by WillowFan2001 | Sep 30th, 2005 06:57:46 PM | ALRIGHT!!! Only 4 minutes to
garner a response. Keep the
faith, by cutest_of_borg | Sep 30th, 2005 07:02:51 PM | Besides... by cutest_of_borg | Sep 30th, 2005 07:07:55 PM | Fake It Til You Make It by Rock Icon | Sep 30th, 2005 07:11:23 PM | Oh, get over yourself, I was
just browsing the forum... by WillowFan2001 | Sep 30th, 2005 07:13:28 PM | Holy crap, had to say this
before I left... by WillowFan2001 | Sep 30th, 2005 07:19:11 PM | Hey for all you idiots that
were saying Serenity is going
to flo by Thirteen 13 | Sep 30th, 2005 07:23:36 PM | RoyRogers by hauptman | Sep 30th, 2005 07:25:34 PM | WHEDONITES! by AttackingClone | Sep 30th, 2005 07:44:04 PM | Willow, you Whedon fans sure
are pissy. by cutest_of_borg | Sep 30th, 2005 08:10:26 PM | Television is superior to film by AeroB | Sep 30th, 2005 08:21:49 PM | "Moriarty hasn't given us
a review, he's given a
slap in by Stan the Bat | Sep 30th, 2005 08:29:57 PM | I Loved SERENITY, But... by ZombieSolutions | Sep 30th, 2005 08:53:18 PM | Mori, you and Quint should
know better. by Theta | Sep 30th, 2005 09:02:24 PM | "Why didn't they get a
professional cinematographer?" by Ribbons | Sep 30th, 2005 09:05:38 PM | Note to flip63hole by Theta | Sep 30th, 2005 09:06:24 PM | I really hope... by Ace Hunter | Sep 30th, 2005 09:14:40 PM | ZombieSolutions by AttackingClone | Sep 30th, 2005 09:24:21 PM | GOATZINGER----"GODZILLA VS
MEGALON" by zathras34 | Sep 30th, 2005 09:35:13 PM | Whedonites = former
disgruntled goths by Nordling | Sep 30th, 2005 09:37:34 PM | Moriarty continues to show why
he's the best reviewer on
thi by Voice O. Reason | Sep 30th, 2005 09:44:18 PM | I will give the Whedon fans
credit though... by Nordling | Sep 30th, 2005 09:44:25 PM | "Maybe they come up against an
old foe, been done I know, and
th by ZombieSolutions | Sep 30th, 2005 10:02:13 PM | I'll be humming the
themesong while you pull the
trigger Ace by Shermdawg | Sep 30th, 2005 10:59:41 PM | Anyone who claims to not be
seeing the movie this weekend
due to by DarthHomercles | Sep 30th, 2005 11:19:02 PM | Hmm we scare you? by spikerules2 | Oct 1st, 2005 12:27:06 AM | Firefly fans scare you? by loki24 | Oct 1st, 2005 01:02:29 AM | TimmyTheCat by Barry Egan | Oct 1st, 2005 01:13:41 AM | I was a "Firefly" (& Whedon)
virgin until today... by El Scorcho | Oct 1st, 2005 01:31:36 AM | FULL HOUSE by antonphd | Oct 1st, 2005 02:22:50 AM | Elite geeks putting down other
geeks. Good stuff. by TruPhan | Oct 1st, 2005 02:56:45 AM | Oh yeah, forgot the point of
my other post by TruPhan | Oct 1st, 2005 03:02:48 AM | No one's getting banned by TruPhan | Oct 1st, 2005 04:10:33 AM | That's how it was at the
midnight screening by TruPhan | Oct 1st, 2005 04:24:36 AM | I admit no review had the term
shitjacket in by seppukudkurosawa | Oct 1st, 2005 05:35:00 AM | You realise Serenity is
actually adapted from
Kurosawa's Iki by seppukudkurosawa | Oct 1st, 2005 07:09:57 AM | this does look like a made for
TV movie by Rupee88 | Oct 1st, 2005 07:12:08 AM | Ripping off Kurosawa is
considered being literate. by I Dunno | Oct 1st, 2005 09:00:57 AM | Firefly Virgins by JCubedz | Oct 1st, 2005 09:19:29 AM | IKIRU Was Adapted From
Doestoyevsky's THE IDIOT by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 09:23:49 AM | AICN Whedon ass kissing. I
remember in another Whedon
article pa by Lutz | Oct 1st, 2005 10:06:25 AM | Lousy Opening Day by hauptman | Oct 1st, 2005 10:49:52 AM | just watched a few episodes of
the show.. and then it got
cancel by silverdog | Oct 1st, 2005 11:00:46 AM | Painless viewing experience
the other night by Blacklist | Oct 1st, 2005 11:13:39 AM | Maybe "Browncoat" can be
redefined a little... by Blacklist | Oct 1st, 2005 11:29:17 AM | Firefly is a horrible show by MechaTruffautMk2 | Oct 1st, 2005 11:43:10 AM | Matinees Are The Only Way To
Go These Days by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 11:52:35 AM | DamnTheTorpedoes, you should
be ashamed of yourself... by MechaTruffautMk2 | Oct 1st, 2005 12:00:30 PM | Sorry -- IKIRU Is Based On
Tolstoy's DEATH OF IVAN
ILLYCH by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 12:05:02 PM | loved it....but Mori, as for
it not having tv influences... by lynxpro | Oct 1st, 2005 12:31:36 PM | hauptman has no idea what
he's talking about... by WillowFan2001 | Oct 1st, 2005 12:35:48 PM | melodrama for men by speed | Oct 1st, 2005 12:36:54 PM | Trolling is when comments are
made simply to be spiteful and
sti by MechaTruffautMk2 | Oct 1st, 2005 12:37:21 PM | a little disappointing? by drewATX | Oct 1st, 2005 12:40:45 PM | Browncoats and subverting the
mythology of Firefly by lynxpro | Oct 1st, 2005 12:41:23 PM | a fan but not psychotic by the_pissboy1 | Oct 1st, 2005 12:44:10 PM | Speaking Of Which, COWBOY
BEEBOP (Clearly A HUGE
Influence Here) by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 12:46:02 PM | That Whedon Made Ikiru post
was made after Tonay said
something by seppukudkurosawa | Oct 1st, 2005 01:16:58 PM | This site has become a
gathering of insecure dolts
who can't by Voice O. Reason | Oct 1st, 2005 02:02:11 PM | Hey, seppukudkurosawa by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 02:08:29 PM | Well, my wife and I were going
to go see it, making plans for
a by JDanielP | Oct 1st, 2005 02:35:09 PM | Cleopatra 2525 4 Life by MechaTruffautMk2 | Oct 1st, 2005 02:42:06 PM | JDanielP by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 03:24:04 PM | Re: WillowFan2001 by hauptman | Oct 1st, 2005 03:31:08 PM | overnight box office returns? by reinhold | Oct 1st, 2005 03:45:26 PM | "Oh, and anyone who says
it's as good as, or even
close to e by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 05:03:33 PM | BTW, Ringbearer9 by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 05:09:29 PM | "NO ONE TALKS THE WAY HIS
CHARACTERS DO." by RogueScribner | Oct 1st, 2005 05:12:35 PM | Apparently, The Like SERENITY
Over At LFL by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 05:22:00 PM | My Opinion if you care by BenFerris | Oct 1st, 2005 05:35:27 PM | Farscape in Syndication by Roj Blake | Oct 1st, 2005 05:51:14 PM | DarthHomercles by supertoyslast | Oct 1st, 2005 05:55:55 PM | Oh Well, I Really Liked It
Lots by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 06:38:16 PM | "I'm not sure the movie
would have much appeal for
non-sci-f by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 06:44:28 PM | C'mon now don't make
up the numbers by JUSTICE41 | Oct 1st, 2005 08:28:29 PM | Re: Ringbearer9 by spikerules2 | Oct 1st, 2005 08:30:18 PM | I'm here for you. by cutest_of_borg | Oct 1st, 2005 08:30:54 PM | All this hate by AttackingClone | Oct 1st, 2005 08:35:43 PM | http://www.the-numbers.com/ind
ex.php by spikerules2 | Oct 1st, 2005 08:36:41 PM | Oh god, nothing makes me laugh
more by Gheorghe Zamfir | Oct 1st, 2005 08:45:03 PM | Oh MY, nothing makes me laugh
more by spikerules2 | Oct 1st, 2005 08:49:51 PM | RogueScribner -- Are You
Posing Yourself As Joss
Whedon? by ZombieSolutions | Oct 1st, 2005 08:51:58 PM | Hey, I never insulted him by Gheorghe Zamfir | Oct 1st, 2005 08:56:43 PM | Hey, I really dont care by spikerules2 | Oct 1st, 2005 08:59:51 PM | Lol, obviously I touched some
nerve with you by Gheorghe Zamfir | Oct 1st, 2005 09:06:29 PM | Yes, beaten by flightplan, BUT by Heisenberg85 | Oct 1st, 2005 09:07:34 PM | Why is everyone harping on per
screen averages? by I Dunno | Oct 1st, 2005 09:33:24 PM | Just saw Serenity and... by zekmoe | Oct 1st, 2005 09:49:14 PM | Flop? by AeroB | Oct 1st, 2005 10:25:39 PM | bought ticket for Corpse
Bride, saw Serenity. by Darth Philbin | Oct 1st, 2005 10:27:26 PM | Well damn it all by Bass Ackwards | Oct 1st, 2005 10:49:54 PM | Um, spoilers. by Heisenberg85 | Oct 1st, 2005 11:02:47 PM | Huh? by Benjamin Horne | Oct 1st, 2005 11:30:48 PM | Last 20 minutes sucked by looklost | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:29:40 AM | ...um Mecha? by Billyeveryteen | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:45:22 AM | Rolo Tamasi by AeroB | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:45:45 AM | You guys sure have a real
glossy understanding of
business by Bass Ackwards | Oct 2nd, 2005 01:44:31 AM | Rolo and Darth by optimus122 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:00:24 AM | "firefly sold over a million
dvd's" by Bass Ackwards | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:12:47 AM | Got it from by optimus122 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:17:14 AM | UGHH by optimus122 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:19:00 AM | Blue Gloves v. Reevers v.
Crazy Sister. by warp11 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:21:37 AM | It was brave of Joss to kill
off major characters. by warp11 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:23:44 AM | It can sell all the DVD's
it wants by JUSTICE41 | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:46:02 AM | "Browcoats" can kiss my a$$ by SG7 | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:20:23 AM | Oh.... by SG7 | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:27:29 AM | Fox by optimus122 | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:50:33 AM | so obnoxious it makes the guy
who names his kid "Hartigan
Tiberi by punto | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:20:22 AM | i by CuervoJones | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:50:30 AM | Not exactly by Razorback | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:20:26 AM | SG7, you don't happen to
live in the NYC area? by Razorback | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:24:50 AM | Saw the Movie on Friday by NubtheSquirrel | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:40:23 AM | It may have some small legs by optimus122 | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:41:23 AM | Retards by Mista Mann | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:33:44 AM | This was a great movie... by Thorfin | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:46:43 AM | He gave away 10 or 12 copies
of the box set for Xmas?!? by Jar Jar 4 Prez | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:57:06 AM | Estimated $10.1 million
opening weekend? by supertoyslast | Oct 2nd, 2005 11:53:05 AM | Moriarity, maybe you should
call those overzealous fans
"Reavers by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:29:12 PM | goodbye Mal, Zoe, Jayne, etc by TodayzSpecial | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:38:41 PM | Another possible reason for
such vehement fandom are the
jerkass by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:48:32 PM | I'm not judging the film
based on its fans. by ZeroCorpse | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:52:33 PM | Apparently, non-Browncoats or
Buffyites just "don't get
it" by ZeroCorpse | Oct 2nd, 2005 12:55:20 PM | You can enjoy Buffy/angel and
still not get hyped over
Firefly: by Neo Zeed | Oct 2nd, 2005 01:17:53 PM | Since when did being a fan of
something mean you were in a
relig by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 01:26:49 PM | $10 Mil Opening Wknd by chickychow | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:26:00 PM | I can see where you're
coming from Evil White Man by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:26:31 PM | Craiggers, Star Wars fans are
called "Star Wars fans" not
"Warsi by Razorback | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:31:33 PM | Well, its official...Serenity
has TANKED! by jrbarker | Oct 2nd, 2005 02:56:49 PM | Marketing is very bad..... by The True Priapic | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:02:29 PM | Hey, I've seen Star Wars
fans referred to as "Warsies"
befor by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:16:04 PM | The movie hasn't really
"TANKED" by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:23:29 PM | Craiggers..... by The True Priapic | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:26:47 PM | re: Optimus by Darth Philbin | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:28:35 PM | True Priapic by Craiggers | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:46:47 PM | Craiggers.... by The True Priapic | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:57:00 PM | You can't take the sky
from me . . . by RogueScribner | Oct 2nd, 2005 03:58:30 PM | Razorback: I was in Redmond WA by SG7 | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:10:39 PM | As long as the bad B/O shuts
up TONAY! by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:16:53 PM | Browncoats don't get to
gloat over big box-office... by mholc68 | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:19:12 PM | Why browncoats get no respect. by Neo Zeed | Oct 2nd, 2005 04:20:45 PM | by Nairb The Movie | Oct 2nd, 2005 05:12:02 PM | "Hey for all you idiots that
were saying Serenity is going
to fl by Bass Ackwards | Oct 2nd, 2005 05:18:06 PM | I thought this was supposed to
open #1 by Greased Deaf Guy | Oct 2nd, 2005 05:29:43 PM | My show is better than your
show, blah, blah, blah... by Roj Blake | Oct 2nd, 2005 05:42:53 PM | DVD sales by Greased Deaf Guy | Oct 2nd, 2005 05:47:28 PM | as a Non-Firefly person - hey,
I really enjoyed that movie. by Russman | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:38:46 PM | True...its sad there will be
no sequel...instead we get
Dukes 2, by jrbarker | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:41:50 PM | So how far away are we from
vampire stuff? by Neo Zeed | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:44:39 PM | There's always next
weekend by Thorfin | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:53:43 PM | My god. It's not full of
stars. by Juggernaut125 | Oct 2nd, 2005 06:58:45 PM | FLOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ten Mill !!!! by jojo-pimp | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:07:23 PM | This should have gone straight
to DVD... by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:37:12 PM | Flop by Mr. Profit | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:42:52 PM | He should have made a Buffy
movie by Mr. Profit | Oct 2nd, 2005 07:47:27 PM | I would have rather have seen
Max Headroom, American Gothic,
or by Neo Zeed | Oct 2nd, 2005 08:04:59 PM | RE: Thirteen 13 - "Hey for all
you idiots that were saying
Seren by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 2nd, 2005 08:06:30 PM | Sleeper hit by Subversive01057 | Oct 2nd, 2005 08:37:40 PM | For the Browcoats and die-hard
Whedonites out there,
here's by Triumph poops! | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:22:20 PM | Nothing comes out next week?! by TodayzSpecial | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:29:29 PM | I bet you anything a Farscape
flick would have made at least
twe by Shermdawg | Oct 2nd, 2005 09:31:02 PM | Herc isn't done yet. by FluffyUnbound | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:20:12 PM | Who the loser is here by Subversive01057 | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:26:39 PM | Yeah, we need a scapegoat,
lets blame Herc. by Tall_Boy | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:35:51 PM | Now that this nasty business
is behind us... by cutest_of_borg | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:38:01 PM | Hmmm. by Nairb The Movie | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:43:32 PM | Bad box office showing for
Serenity equals: by kintar0 | Oct 2nd, 2005 10:54:49 PM | naysayers and dissin'
costume donners by lynxpro | Oct 2nd, 2005 11:40:37 PM | Even if you don't like
Serenity by AeroB | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:04:56 AM | OMG!!! by jedimast3r | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:39:00 AM | Well now, Universal is doing
an interesting spin on the
SERENITY by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:40:22 AM | Lenny... by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:46:09 AM | Re: AeroB by Mafu | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:24:27 AM | I'm out raged! by Greased Deaf Guy | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:31:57 AM | I was gonna hate on this movie
like a motherfucker but now by Doc_Strange | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:42:24 AM | hottoq by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:15:09 AM | Not only has it no legs by JUSTICE41 | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:39:52 AM | "They're trying to spin
it, alright. Sure you face a
differe by DarthHomercles | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:23:30 AM | A movie based off a cancelled
cult TV series that almost
nobody by Swarmy | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:39:52 AM | Wait until next week before
calling it a flop by Razorback | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:46:29 AM | to quote a fan on the firefly
site: by dr.bulber | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:09:05 AM | Firefly/Serenity is destined
to remain a cult phenomenon by Serious Black | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:30:25 AM | This is all excessive by verge | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:50:02 AM | Wow this is really out of hand by livingat24fps | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:18:49 AM | "why does Capt. Mal have a
(mild) *Southern* twang when
the acto by MaguaSynfield | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:37:04 AM | Too bad it floped by Brock Samson | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:51:14 AM | Universal not disappointed by Obredaan | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:55:46 AM | DUD by wessmith1966 | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:00:46 AM | I think it is sad by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:08:43 AM | It's not quite
thanksgiving yet... by obi-bear | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:21:12 AM | wolf at the door... you seem
to not understand how it works by Razorback | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:39:50 AM | I wonder if this finally kills
the Red Dwarf movie? by supertoyslast | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:03:37 AM | Oh, my! by Childe Roland | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:21:45 AM | Regarding 'taking
glee' in Serenity's
failure by Godardwhowhatnow | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:26:41 AM | Don't forget the
"loveable" Cameron Diaz is
being unleashed by Mr. Profit | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:44:03 AM | In Her Shoes with toni
Collette and directed by
Curtis Hanson. by Mr. Profit | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:52:23 AM | $10.1 million? Not shocked
that it sucked. by Jeditemple | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:07:08 PM | so now they've back
peddled to by Greased Deaf Guy | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:12:57 PM | by Juggernaut125 | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:14:16 PM | Good movie...too bad the
opening weekend didnt bring in
more mon by Bong | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:22:14 PM | who says it flopped? by jonastheangel | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:25:57 PM | Re: Jeditemple by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:27:22 PM | GMTH, Juggernaut125 by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:31:15 PM | As a non-FIREFLY fan who
watched SERENITY, all I can
say is, Jos by SpyGuy | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:48:11 PM | Too sad... by NightArrows | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:50:06 PM | Backlash - rooting against by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:52:54 PM | Ah the justification of the
losers by modlight | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:59:05 PM | This reminds of me of a few
months ago by DarthHomercles | Oct 3rd, 2005 12:59:57 PM | When I said a Farscape flick
would gross 20mil... by Shermdawg | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:00:15 PM | Batman Begins opening weekend
was $50 million by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:07:43 PM | I like Farscape by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:19:50 PM | Bass Ackwards by DarthHomercles | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:30:31 PM | oh my god, would you people
just shut the fuck up about
the box by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:34:39 PM | No Darth, I got your point by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:46:35 PM | Re: Favorite moment *SPOILERS* by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 01:51:12 PM | Favorite Moment SPOILERS by Harlow | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:06:02 PM | badass Simon by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:08:08 PM | Some of the stuff I liked.
**Spoilers** by Juggernaut125 | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:12:22 PM | Galaxy Quest was a
Christmas-time family movie. by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:18:20 PM | Good points oisin by Juggernaut125 | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:18:42 PM | How much did I miss? by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:19:16 PM | oisin5199's right by IAmLegolas | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:29:56 PM | SabreFox by Obredaan | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:30:07 PM | TALKBACKERS! THIS HERE
BROWNCOAT NEEDS YOUR HELP!
"Serenity" wil by Man of Stool | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:32:40 PM | Thanks for filling me in by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:37:43 PM | greatn, you`re right . Again.
Damn. by Man of Stool | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:47:02 PM | Quote from Joss by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:53:28 PM | So it has come to this... by DarthBen | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:55:09 PM | I didn't know Seserenity
had 4 movies released before
it, ea by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 02:55:24 PM | What are you talking about
Billy? by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:01:07 PM | Also, on the FIREFLY DVD
commentary tracks, Whedon
alludes to In by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:18:07 PM | I can't even spell
Serenity... by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:22:13 PM | RE: wolf at the door - "so
even if serenity only makes 20
milli by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:22:49 PM | Inara's and Book's
secret by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:30:07 PM | Kai - whatever - if you
hadn't noticed, we've
moved on f by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:32:02 PM | Billyeveryteen by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:34:14 PM | oisin5199 by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:35:06 PM | Me for one by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:36:30 PM | ....and why should I care? by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:37:37 PM | thanks sabrefox by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:39:33 PM | Meaning...? by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:41:12 PM | and what's up with
insulting me? by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:42:42 PM | Yes you're right
greatn........no one
cares..... by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:44:01 PM | sabrefox by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:45:52 PM | the discussion was starting to
move in a more positive
direction by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:57:09 PM | Jesus, Kai by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:58:50 PM | So anyone responding to a post
that is not direct
specifically t by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:58:52 PM | Thanks for the backup, Ribbons by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 03:59:52 PM | Kai, you sound angry by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:01:13 PM | Moving on.... by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:05:58 PM | You guys wanna talk about the
movie by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:11:13 PM | and Billy by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:12:33 PM | What's wrong with you
people? by Harlow | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:14:46 PM | we're not trying to
dictate the talkback by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:15:52 PM | If they don't make anymore
movies by Juggernaut125 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:16:43 PM | Um, no by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:22:00 PM | oh well, I guess the dream
that AICN would be a civilized
place by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:26:17 PM | Kai, I understand your point,
but does it have to be so
venemous by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:30:11 PM | Kai, I understand your point,
but does it have to be so
venemous by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:30:12 PM | Yes, I know life is tough by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:31:54 PM | BASS IS THE BEST by Harlow | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:32:48 PM | I'm sorry Bass.. by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:33:42 PM | Two by two, hands of blue... by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:44:39 PM | ok, to practice what I preach
- I am a leaf on the wind,
watch m by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:46:19 PM | I haven't thrown any hate,
insults, tried to impede your
dis by Bass Ackwards | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:46:44 PM | Kaylee was a sweetheart by Juggernaut125 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:48:21 PM | I loved the movie but . . . by RogueScribner | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:49:01 PM | Hands of Blue by Harlow | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:50:15 PM | blue hands by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:50:57 PM | the comics by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:55:13 PM | oh yeah, and Book in the
comics [comics SPOILERS] by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 04:58:10 PM | Bass Ackwards by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:00:15 PM | Thanks for the info by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:00:49 PM | So - for those who've read
it - is the comic... by Childe Roland | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:03:36 PM | yeah I see the point by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:07:03 PM | In no way is the comic
essential for the movie by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:08:37 PM | oops, you said you saw the
series by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:10:03 PM | the comics aren't required
to enjoy the movie by RogueScribner | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:11:18 PM | all you Serenity Hatas... by omarthesnake | Oct 3rd, 2005 05:27:36 PM | wolf at the door... are you
incapable of arguing the
point? by Razorback | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:04:03 PM | I am no Serenity hater,
omarthesnake by Razorback | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:06:45 PM | who trashed Star Wars? by DarthHomercles | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:30:13 PM | He may have been referring to
me by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:48:34 PM | Re: Trashing Serenity's
plot, characters, writing.... by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 06:57:47 PM | I liked those movies the first
time I saw them by gamesix | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:02:34 PM | FUCKING FLOP LMAO by GiftedInThePants | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:42:56 PM | BTW this low BO happens by GiftedInThePants | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:45:54 PM | Watch my posts get deleted :D by GiftedInThePants | Oct 3rd, 2005 07:46:44 PM | I have 2 words as a REALITY
CHECK for those trying to spin
the S by Commando Cody | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:04:33 PM | Bass Ackwards, you da
man!!!!!! by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:06:02 PM | RE: Ribbons - ' "You and
who?" "Me." That doesn't
seem l by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:19:48 PM | Feel free to continue.... by sabrefox | Oct 3rd, 2005 08:25:51 PM | quick rundown of comments by thevisitor | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:02:55 PM | Don't be ridiculous, Kai by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:41:38 PM | Speaking of 'Galaxy
Quest...' by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:44:20 PM | I'm still here for you,
poor downtrodden Whedonites. by cutest_of_borg | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:48:20 PM | cutest of borg by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:52:00 PM | Ribbons by cutest_of_borg | Oct 3rd, 2005 09:58:28 PM | Key difference between
Serenity and Sky Captain... by FelatioHornblowr | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:01:40 PM | Protecter by Billyeveryteen | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:09:54 PM | Giftedinthepants... by fanboy71 | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:10:34 PM | Sky Captain was what it seemed
like: A Failed Experiment by chickychow | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:13:07 PM | "Serenity" is a shit title. by Darth Philbin | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:51:43 PM | I go away for a bit and the
box office shit is back by oisin5199 | Oct 3rd, 2005 10:59:48 PM | Ribbons by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:07:27 PM | Kai and Bass, we can't
miss you if you don't
leave. by Lenny Nero | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:16:04 PM | Kai by Ribbons | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:39:21 PM | The Problem With Serenity
Haters by DarthBen | Oct 3rd, 2005 11:39:28 PM | Bash your head into it Lenny? by Bass Ackwards | Oct 4th, 2005 12:02:26 AM | shitty final battle and TV
sets by oisin5199 | Oct 4th, 2005 12:18:11 AM | but I respect your criticisms,
hottoq by oisin5199 | Oct 4th, 2005 12:20:15 AM | and whoops by Bass Ackwards | Oct 4th, 2005 12:22:59 AM | oisin5199 by MasterWhedon | Oct 4th, 2005 12:23:04 AM | Did I really write "fine
form," like, eight times? by MasterWhedon | Oct 4th, 2005 12:25:08 AM | I'm a serenity fan by samuraisix | Oct 4th, 2005 12:30:36 AM | Bass, you should know better
than to blatantly assume why I
post by Lenny Nero | Oct 4th, 2005 12:58:51 AM | Lenny, Blatantly assume? by Bass Ackwards | Oct 4th, 2005 01:43:53 AM | $10 Million Opening Weekend by fiester | Oct 4th, 2005 02:17:01 AM | just when you thought the
talkback was becoming more
civilized by DarthHomercles | Oct 4th, 2005 02:33:44 AM | Wow, Firefly is good... by grendel824 | Oct 4th, 2005 02:59:06 AM | by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 03:03:01 AM | Sequels by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 03:14:52 AM | thevisitor by Juggernaut125 | Oct 4th, 2005 03:39:15 AM | by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 04:07:49 AM | Commando Cody, Sky Captain
cost twice as much as Serenity by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 06:29:47 AM | Makes you wonder what is
really keeping people away... by The True Priapic | Oct 4th, 2005 06:55:54 AM | Thank Herc and Tonay for the
anger... by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 4th, 2005 07:55:36 AM | Oh please, now you have a
conspiracy theory about
Browncoat assh by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 09:04:40 AM | Commando cody by optimus122 | Oct 4th, 2005 09:23:00 AM | All of hottoq's posts are
missing by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 09:31:44 AM | So the Real Question is... by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 09:36:34 AM | But Seriously... by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 09:39:32 AM | The chains were there to move
equipment by Big Jim | Oct 4th, 2005 09:40:39 AM | criticisms of Serenity, pt 2 by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 09:41:10 AM | Bummer, since I appreciated
his comments. by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 09:50:05 AM | Felling like one of those
aliens in the grabber-thing
from Toy S by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 09:53:08 AM | Brown-starfishes... by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai | Oct 4th, 2005 09:54:41 AM | Several of us have had that
argument, me being one of
them. by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 10:16:02 AM | What the hell did Hottoq say
to get banned? by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 4th, 2005 10:17:20 AM | Here's a possibility... by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 10:24:34 AM | Quality Sci Fi by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 10:51:34 AM | "I'd be wondering what
else I could have done to make
Sereni by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:00:06 AM | This is what you Browncoats
cannot wrap your brain around by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 11:00:54 AM | One last thing... by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 11:02:46 AM | " i mean if you look, most of
the reviews were very
positive. se by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 11:04:25 AM | "Does anybody care that
Serenity's per-screen
average was hi by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 11:06:25 AM | "Hey guys, check this out,
maybe you will like it." by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:07:16 AM | The average number of positive
reviews is hovering around
79-80% by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:09:11 AM | uh, no DarthBen we
don't... by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 4th, 2005 11:10:49 AM | I Loved SITH and SERENITY by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:11:55 AM | Bad Argument by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 11:33:53 AM | An amalgam by Juggernaut125 | Oct 4th, 2005 11:37:48 AM | Generalities by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 11:38:18 AM | "Serenity is like that ugly
girl with great personality
nobody w by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:43:14 AM | Am I the only fan who hated
this movie? by _Maltheus_ | Oct 4th, 2005 11:47:21 AM | DarthBen, I appreciate your
position by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 11:48:50 AM | River the Reaver Slayer by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 11:55:35 AM | _Maltheus_, Mal went to
Miranda by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 11:57:09 AM | Conflicted by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 12:08:14 PM | I disagree (partially) about
the deaths. by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 12:19:07 PM | _Maltheus_, looks like you are
comparing this to THE
CHRONICLES by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 4th, 2005 12:19:14 PM | Arbitrary deaths by Juggernaut125 | Oct 4th, 2005 12:31:51 PM | Once again sabrefox by Juggernaut125 | Oct 4th, 2005 12:37:33 PM | GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!! lol :) by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 12:44:23 PM | re: greatn by _Maltheus_ | Oct 4th, 2005 01:05:46 PM | deaths, bars and Master Whedon by oisin5199 | Oct 4th, 2005 01:17:57 PM | one more deaths comment by oisin5199 | Oct 4th, 2005 01:21:56 PM | oisin5199 by MasterWhedon | Oct 4th, 2005 01:24:16 PM | Non-reaction? by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 01:35:22 PM | Kinda my reaction too, greatn by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 01:49:34 PM | greatn and sabrefox by MasterWhedon | Oct 4th, 2005 02:22:37 PM | Absolutely none taken by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 02:32:56 PM | Oisin by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 02:33:56 PM | greatn by MasterWhedon | Oct 4th, 2005 02:34:09 PM | Something occured to me about
Mr Universe's location by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 02:41:49 PM | It's simple really by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 02:47:47 PM | Oh, OK and I guess the planet
is really a huge black hole, by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 02:55:24 PM | Uncle Orson by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 02:57:05 PM | I think that reveal is one of
my favorite moments in the
movie by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 03:00:15 PM | Can't Stop the Signal by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 03:01:23 PM | I don't think it
diminished by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 03:05:03 PM | "is Mr. Universe code for
Universal, as in studios?" by ZombieSolutions | Oct 4th, 2005 03:05:09 PM | by Harlow | Oct 4th, 2005 03:07:51 PM | Good point, Harlow by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 03:12:17 PM | Betrayal by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 03:21:54 PM | Of Canceled Shows and
Comebacks... by DarthBen | Oct 4th, 2005 03:24:51 PM | A Quick search of imdb reveals
most people would know Ron
Glass by sabrefox | Oct 4th, 2005 03:35:05 PM | Deaths by Billyeveryteen | Oct 4th, 2005 03:37:34 PM | 730,000 by optimus122 | Oct 4th, 2005 03:39:03 PM | Thanks greatn by Juggernaut125 | Oct 4th, 2005 03:51:08 PM | The main reason Star Wars fan
bash this movie.... by Razorback | Oct 4th, 2005 03:52:00 PM | Old 70's cop comedy with
Hal Linden and Abe "I'm
not dea by ComputerGuy68 | Oct 4th, 2005 03:53:39 PM | What this talkback needs is... by seppukudkurosawa | Oct 4th, 2005 04:23:11 PM | Jonathon Ross reviwed this
movie by emeraldboy | Oct 4th, 2005 04:34:07 PM | Serenity/Firefly Questions,
help! by warp11 | Oct 4th, 2005 05:17:54 PM | If I were Universal by lynxpro | Oct 4th, 2005 06:07:20 PM | and for genre fans in
general... by lynxpro | Oct 4th, 2005 06:10:09 PM | oh just go see it. by TodayzSpecial | Oct 4th, 2005 09:38:06 PM | The ship was able to be
repaired because the Operative
paid for by Lenny Nero | Oct 4th, 2005 10:12:41 PM | I dunno, todayzspecial. I
kinda like poop. by Lenny Nero | Oct 4th, 2005 10:13:59 PM | Did Orson Scott Card really
just compare SERENITY to
FRIENDS? by Lenny Nero | Oct 4th, 2005 10:25:10 PM | To All Who Are Surprised or
Disheartened by the Negative
Reactio by Red Ned Lynch | Oct 5th, 2005 01:01:33 AM | To All Who Are Surprised or
Disheartened by the Negative
Reactio by Red Ned Lynch | Oct 5th, 2005 01:02:37 AM | To All Who Are Surprised or
Disheartened by the Negative
Reactio by Red Ned Lynch | Oct 5th, 2005 01:03:41 AM | And the Lesson? by Red Ned Lynch | Oct 5th, 2005 01:04:24 AM | Serenity (Spoilers inside) by Capt. Spaulding | Oct 5th, 2005 01:14:07 AM | Well said, Red Ned Lynch by Razorback | Oct 5th, 2005 06:20:56 AM | A Wheedon Fan... by napalm68 | Oct 5th, 2005 06:23:19 AM | Barney Miller... by MaguaSynfield | Oct 5th, 2005 08:02:45 AM | A Whedon Fan... by MaguaSynfield | Oct 5th, 2005 08:47:46 AM | LAND OF THE DEAD by ZombieSolutions | Oct 5th, 2005 08:48:09 AM | Obvious Points? by emvan | Oct 5th, 2005 08:51:34 AM | People, Enough Of The
"You're Not A Real Fan"
Nonsense by ZombieSolutions | Oct 5th, 2005 08:55:23 AM | For my money, "My turn" is the
sf equivalent of "Hey, Boo." by MaguaSynfield | Oct 5th, 2005 09:19:21 AM | the Browncoat straw man by oisin5199 | Oct 5th, 2005 10:05:28 AM | Barney Miller - I'm not
that old by oisin5199 | Oct 5th, 2005 10:30:11 AM | "Seeing a community bonding
together and not feeling a
part of i by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 5th, 2005 11:54:40 AM | And the battle continues... by DarthBen | Oct 5th, 2005 11:55:40 AM | all I'm saying by oisin5199 | Oct 5th, 2005 12:55:52 PM | I like Firefly & Serenity, I
like all things Star Trek by Big Jim | Oct 5th, 2005 01:26:05 PM | Yes, even Voyager by Big Jim | Oct 5th, 2005 01:49:26 PM | Big Jim by MaguaSynfield | Oct 5th, 2005 01:58:58 PM | Big Jim's a man of reason by DarthBen | Oct 5th, 2005 02:43:09 PM | Sure, even Chakotay by Big Jim | Oct 5th, 2005 03:04:32 PM | speaking of Voyager by oisin5199 | Oct 5th, 2005 03:08:39 PM | excellent point by DarthBen | Oct 5th, 2005 03:10:21 PM | Kai, you're not the only
person arguing, but you're
the by Lenny Nero | Oct 5th, 2005 03:51:49 PM | I'm with Big Man "The
Amazing Man of Reason" by Thorfin | Oct 5th, 2005 03:53:52 PM | I never saw the show --
Thought the movie was pretty
good by TrueLies | Oct 5th, 2005 04:14:10 PM | I saw a Browncoat having a
Pina Colada at Trader
Vic's by K-pobuibo | Oct 5th, 2005 04:47:14 PM | Draw Blood by Shermdawg | Oct 5th, 2005 05:43:53 PM | i love firefly and serenity. by mocky_puppet | Oct 5th, 2005 06:01:27 PM | Reality here: This movie has
no legs in the US by Razorback | Oct 5th, 2005 06:08:31 PM | Hey Black Pot! Let me
introduce you to Mr. Kettle by Mick The Knife | Oct 5th, 2005 06:26:40 PM | Razor by optimus122 | Oct 5th, 2005 06:39:44 PM | optimus122.... by Razorback | Oct 5th, 2005 06:57:15 PM | yeah, it will probably make a
small profit somehow by Rupee88 | Oct 5th, 2005 07:05:30 PM | That's funny. by Juggernaut125 | Oct 5th, 2005 08:07:52 PM | All this nonsense by nexus420 | Oct 5th, 2005 08:27:45 PM | greatn... by Razorback | Oct 5th, 2005 08:50:48 PM | woah woah woah...wait a
minute....you mean to tell me
that a fil by slappy jones | Oct 5th, 2005 09:25:21 PM | On Amazon sales by Bass Ackwards | Oct 5th, 2005 10:35:18 PM | Lenny Nero - RE:" Kai,
you're not the only person
arguing, b by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 5th, 2005 11:00:47 PM | Looking forward to the
upcoming by Subversive01057 | Oct 6th, 2005 12:45:55 AM | Rolo by optimus122 | Oct 6th, 2005 05:16:47 AM | For all the box office
arguments, the numbers matter
much less t by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 11:56:25 AM | Master Whedon, I'm still
waiting for the Mothership! by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 02:37:57 PM | "........and Kai, aren't
you over it yet?!" by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 02:59:54 PM | um, who's not walking
away? by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 04:00:02 PM | Kai, it's "state your
peace," and second of all,
shhhhhhhhhh by Lenny Nero | Oct 6th, 2005 04:04:13 PM | Right, because USA Today is
the height of American
journalism. by Lenny Nero | Oct 6th, 2005 04:04:44 PM | even if it tanks, it pays off
for Universal by lynxpro | Oct 6th, 2005 04:05:13 PM | "The only reason people keep
responding to you is that you
keep by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 04:41:30 PM | RE: Lenny Nero - "It must be
tiring to obsessively write
that mu by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 04:52:24 PM | greatn by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 04:52:59 PM | greatn by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 04:54:27 PM | Battered Wife Syndrome... by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai | Oct 6th, 2005 05:17:41 PM | I still like the 500,000
figure by Bass Ackwards | Oct 6th, 2005 05:27:18 PM | State your "piece"... by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai | Oct 6th, 2005 05:42:25 PM | B.NyeTheUruk-Hai - your name
made me laugh by Big Jim | Oct 6th, 2005 06:20:54 PM | We can agree by optimus122 | Oct 6th, 2005 06:45:06 PM | the by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 06:45:28 PM | the inevitable by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 06:49:53 PM | Say my name, beeyatch !!! by B.NyeTheUruk-Hai | Oct 6th, 2005 07:03:47 PM | "What does that name mean,
anyway?" by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 09:32:40 PM | B.NyeTheUruk-Hai...... by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 6th, 2005 09:43:53 PM | intelligence and posts by oisin5199 | Oct 6th, 2005 11:29:44 PM | First 9 minutes online and
legal by optimus122 | Oct 7th, 2005 04:32:17 AM | Liked it a LOT by M-T-M | Oct 7th, 2005 07:49:36 AM | ".... especially when one of
us actually talked about the
movie by Kai_Mah'gra | Oct 7th, 2005 10:11:32 AM | .....take a class in sarcasm
you twat. by Billyeveryteen | Oct 7th, 2005 05:07:50 PM | Can't stop, can you? by oisin5199 | Oct 7th, 2005 09:31:08 PM | Fashionably late? Did it do
well enough to interest any of
the n by leesheri | Nov 8th, 2005 10:20:33 AM |
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